Just Creepy: Scary Stories - Scary Stories from National Forests

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. I'm 28 now, and I've spent enough time in now. national forests to know the difference between creepy and actually wrong. I'm not saying I'm some expert woodsman because I'm not. I grew up camping. I've hunted a little. I know how to fix a flat tire on a forest road. And I know when weather is turning bad enough that pride needs to shut up and let common sense take over. But I'm also still the kind of guy who will push farther down an old road than he should, mostly because I hate getting beaten by my own nerves. That is the part of
Starting point is 00:01:22 the story I still get stuck on. There were a few moments where I could have just turned around, gone home, and had nothing worse than a wasted weekend. I didn't do that. I kept making the next small bad choice because none of them felt huge at the time. This happened in late October, two years ago, in a national forest in Idaho. I'm leaving out the exact drainage because I know people go looking for places they hear about online, and the last thing I want is somebody treating this like a dare. It was not some famous hiking area or a scenic overlook with bathrooms and families. It was old timber country, forest roads cut into the side of long ridges, grown in spurs that ended at logging landings, and steep creeks at the bottom of draws where everything stayed
Starting point is 00:02:10 colder than it was supposed to. There were still hunters in the area because deer season was open, but it was the tail end of that busy stretch, and a storm had moved through during the week. By Friday morning, most of the weekend crowd had either gone lower or stayed home. I had taken the day off work because I needed to get out of town. That sounds dramatic, but it wasn't. I was just burned out from work, bills, and the normal late-20s feeling that you're behind, even when nobody can tell you what the finish line is. My original plan was to meet my buddy Caleb for one night of camping and glassing ridge lines,
Starting point is 00:02:46 but his wife got sick and he bailed at the last minute. I almost bailed too. I had already bought food and filled the truck, though, so I figured I would go alone, camp somewhere I knew, and come back Saturday afternoon. I had been in that general area twice before with other people, so it wasn't blind wandering. I knew the main road, knew two decent pull-outs, and knew a meadow near a creek where I had seen a lot of tracks the year before. That was enough for me. I drive a Tacoma with almost 200,000 miles on it, and at that point it still felt indestructible. I left before sunrise, stopped once for gas and coffee, and hit the forest boundary around mid-morning. The paved road turned to gravel, then the gravel turned to that
Starting point is 00:03:30 chalky wet dirt that sticks to your tires and gets thrown up under the fenders. There were patches of snow in the shade and muddy ruts in the open spots. The sky was low and gray, but not storming. Just the kind of cold day where sound carries weirdly, and everything smells like wet bark. I passed two camps on the way in. One had a wall tent with smoke coming from a stovepipe and a side-by-side parked near the trees. The other was just two pickups, a tarp, and a couple of guys standing around a fire.
Starting point is 00:04:02 I remember that because seeing those camps made me feel less alone, which became stupidly important later. After that, I drove another 40 minutes and didn't see anybody. No rigs parked at spurs. No fresh tire tracks except mine. The road got narrower and more rutted, and eventually I came to a washed-out dip that I didn't like. I could have made it across if I wanted to test the truck, but I was alone and didn't feel like becoming one of those idiots who needs a tow from a place nobody wants to drive to.
Starting point is 00:04:33 So I backed up to a landing, parked, and decided to scout on foot from there. I had a small day pack with water, a sandwich, a headlamp, a lighter, some first-aid stuff, extra socks and a fixed blade knife I always carried mostly because it made me feel prepared. I had a rifle too, legally cased in the truck on the way in, and I took it with me once I started hiking because it was hunting season, and because this was Idaho. I wasn't expecting to shoot anything. I had a tag, but the plan was more about checking the area and maybe sitting for the last
Starting point is 00:05:09 hour of light if I found sign. I also had my overnight gear in the truck for later. The idea was simple. Walk an old spur road, looped down toward the creek, come back before dark, then set camp close enough to the truck that I could leave in the morning without making it a whole production. The first hour was normal. Quiet, cold, muddy. The spur road had not seen a vehicle in a while, maybe not since summer. Alder had grown into the edges and slapped against my arms as I walked. There were elk tracks punched into soft spots, old deer droppings, and a lot of squirrel noise in the timber. I came across one fresh boot print in the mud about 20 minutes in, but that
Starting point is 00:05:53 didn't worry me. Hunters walk old roads all the time. I actually liked seeing it because it meant someone else had been around recently. The print was big, maybe a size 12, with a worn heel that made the track look uneven, like the person leaned harder on one side. I noticed it, and then forgot about it. Around noon, the road ended at a landing grown up with young pines. Beyond that was a faint footpath, not an official trail, just one of those lines made by animals and people over time. It angled through the trees toward a shallow saddle, and I followed it because I could see more open timber beyond. The forest changed there. Less brush. more mature fur and pine, with the ground covered in brown needles and broken limbs.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I remember feeling better because it was easier walking and I could see farther. I ate half my sandwich while standing under a big ponderosa and watched a raven pick through something on a stump. Then I smelled wood smoke. It was faint at first. I thought maybe it was coming from one of the camps I had passed lower down, but the wind was moving the wrong way. I stood there for a minute, chewing, trying to place it. It wasn't the clean campfire smell from dry wood. It was colder, like wet wood, or a stove that had been choked down. I followed it without thinking too much about it.
Starting point is 00:07:19 In a national forest during hunting season, smoke usually means people, and people usually mean you either go around them or say hello and keep moving. The camp was maybe 300 yards past the saddle, tucked into a flat bench above a draw. I almost missed it because the tarp over it was. brown and green, and the whole thing blended into the timber. At first I saw the corner of a canvas wall tent, then a stack of firewood, then a little table made from a piece of plywood laid across two rounds. It was not a big camp. One wall tent, one cot visible through the open flap, a small
Starting point is 00:07:56 sheet metal stove with pipe running through the roof, a cooler, two five-gallon buckets, and a line strung between trees with a pair of wet wool socks hanging from it. There was a lantern on the table, not an electric one, one of the old fuel lanterns with glass around it. It was off, but when I got within ten feet, I could feel heat coming off it. That stopped me harder than anything else could have. It wasn't blazing hot, but it was warm. Somebody had used it recently, very recently. I called out, hey, anybody here? Nothing answered. The stovepipe wasn't smoking. but there were coals in the stove when I leaned slightly toward the tent and looked without stepping inside.
Starting point is 00:08:37 The tent flap was tied open. A sleeping bag was on the cot, twisted like somebody had gotten out of it in a hurry. There was an open can of beans on the table with a spoon still in it. The spoon had a little skin of dried sauce around the edge, but the can itself wasn't frozen or stiff from the cold. A pair of gloves sat beside it. One glove was right side out, the other inside out. normal camp mess, except nobody was there. I should make something clear here. I was not snooping because I wanted to take anything, or because I thought it was funny. I was trying to figure out if someone was hurt. That's what I told myself then, and it's still true enough. An empty camp with
Starting point is 00:09:20 warm gear can mean a person stepped away to use the bathroom or cut wood. It can also mean they got turned around, fell, had a medical issue, or ran from something. I stood there and listened. I did not hear chopping, coughing, footsteps, or the metallic clank of someone working around camp. Just the wind pushing through the tops of the trees. I called out again, louder. You good? Anyone here? Still nothing. The part that made the hair on my arms lift was the lack of a vehicle. There was no truck, no ATV, no side by side, not even a game cart. You could not drive to that bench from the spur road unless you were insane and had no concern for your undercarriage. So whoever had made that camp had carried everything in or come from another direction. That wasn't impossible. Hunters
Starting point is 00:10:13 pack into weird places. But the wall tent, stove, buckets, cooler and firewood made it seem like a lot of work for one person. I walked a slow half circle around the camp, keeping a respectful distance, looking for boot tracks leading away. The ground was a mix of needles, damp dirt, and small patches of old snow. There were tracks all around the tent, all around the woodpile, and between the tent and a little latrine trench behind a fallen log. But beyond about 20 feet, I could not find a clear track leaving the camp. That bothered me more than I wanted it to.
Starting point is 00:10:49 I crouched by one muddy patch near the table and saw the same worn heel boot print I had seen on the old road, big size, crooked heel, all around the camp, many prints. Then they just seemed to stop in the needle cover. I knew that wasn't proof of anything. People don't leave perfect tracks everywhere. But when you are standing beside a warm lantern in an empty camp, your brain starts treating every missing detail like it matters. I was about to leave when I noticed the first carving. It was on a pine tree about 15 feet from the tent, facing the camp. The mark was cut into the bark at about chest height. It looked like a rough circle with a short vertical line down through it,
Starting point is 00:11:32 not deep like someone using an axe. More like someone had scraped it with a knife until the pale inner wood showed. It was fresh. There were little curls of bark at the base of the tree, and the exposed wood had that wet, raw look. I stared at it for a few seconds, then turned and saw another one on a fur behind the tent. Same mark, same height.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Facing inward. Then another one near the woodpile. Then another near the latrine log. Once I noticed them, I saw them everywhere. Maybe 12 trees around the camp had that same symbol cut into them, all angled toward the tent like they were watching the place. Some were fresh. Some looked older, darkened around the edges. The spacing was uneven, but together they made a rough circle around the camp. I stood in the middle of that circle with my rifle in my hands and had the strongest feeling that I had stepped into something that was not meant for me. I backed away from the tent. I did not run.
Starting point is 00:12:31 I just left the way I had come, trying to look calm even though nobody was there to see me. I kept expecting someone to call out from behind me and ask what the hell I was doing near their camp. And honestly, that would have been a relief. I would have apologized, said I thought someone might need help, and moved on. But nobody called out. Nobody came crashing through the brush. The camp disappeared behind the trees, and I kept walking until I reached the saddle. That was where I found the second piece of weirdness.
Starting point is 00:13:05 On the path where I had walked in, about ten yards below the saddle, a branch had been laid across the ground. Not fallen, laid. It was green, cut clean at one end, and placed straight across the faint path at shin height, resting on two small rocks. I knew it had not been there when I came through because I would have stepped over it or kicked it. I looked around and felt that deep animal part of me wake up. It was not fear exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:34 It was the sudden knowledge that the woods were no longer empty in the way I had believed. I stood there too long. That is another thing I hate admitting. I didn't immediately head back to the truck. I told myself maybe I had missed it earlier. Maybe it had fallen in a strange way. Maybe somebody from the camp had come back, seen me, and put it there for some reason that had
Starting point is 00:13:57 nothing to do with me. I stepped over it and kept going, but my whole body felt tight. It was about one in the afternoon when I got back to the old landing where the spur road ended. I should have gone straight to my truck and left. I can say that now with full confidence. At the time, daylight made me braver than I deserved to be. I was embarrassed by how badly the camp had rattled me.
Starting point is 00:14:21 I was also annoyed that I had driven all that way and barely done what I came to do, so I made a compromise with myself. I would not camp deep in the woods. I would go back to the truck, move it closer to the main road, set up there for the night, and leave first thing in the morning. That felt reasonable. It wasn't. On the walk back I kept checking behind me.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I saw nothing. I reached the truck around two, had the other half of my same. sandwich and sat in the cab with the heater on for a few minutes. There was no service, which was normal there. I considered driving out until I got some and calling the forest office or county dispatch to report the empty camp, but I talked myself out of it. What would I say? I found a camp and the lantern was warm. That could be nothing. A guy could have walked off to sit over a game trail for the afternoon. The carvings were creepy, but not illegal as far as I knew, just stupid and destructive. I decided I would leave a note at the Ranger office on my way out the next
Starting point is 00:15:23 day if it still bothered me. I moved the truck about a mile down to a wider pullout just off the main forest road. It was one of those informal campsites people used for years, with a rock-fire ring, a flat spot for a tent, and a few rounds of cut wood left near a stump. It felt safer because the main road was right there. If someone drove by, I'd hear them. If I needed to leave, I could be packed in ten minutes. I set up my small tent, gathered a little dry wood from under down trees, and got a fire going before the light started to drop. The routine helped. Tent, sleeping pad, bag, stove, water, food, normal tasks, normal camp. Around four, a truck passed heading deeper into the forest. It was the first vehicle I had seen an hour.
Starting point is 00:16:12 and I felt a dumb rush of relief. It was an older green Chevy with a dented bed and a white camper shell. I raised a hand as it went by. It slowed a little, not enough to stop, and I saw one man driving. He wore a dark cap pulled low. I couldn't see his face clearly through the dirty window. Then he continued up the road and disappeared around the bend. I remember thinking he might be connected to the camp, and I almost walked out to the road to flag him down. But by the time I had that thought, he was already gone. Dust came early because of the clouds. By five, everything beyond the fire ring was losing shape.
Starting point is 00:16:52 I heated soup on my camp stove and ate it out of the pot. I didn't drink. I didn't want to be even a little dulled down. I kept telling myself I was being stupid, but I still placed my rifle within reach and kept my headlamp around my neck. The forest went through its normal evening changes. Squirrels shut up. The wind dropped. A few branches popped as the temperature fell. Somewhere down the draw,
Starting point is 00:17:17 water moved under ice. It should have been peaceful, and I tried hard to make it feel that way. Then I found the mark on the tree behind my tent. I was walking back from taking a leak, maybe 20 yards from camp, when my headlamp caught pale wood on the trunk of a small pine. The same circle with the line through it, fresh, right at chest height, facing my tent. For a few seconds I just stared at it. My brain tried to make it old. It was not old. The cuts were light colored and clean. There were shavings caught in the moss at the base. I had walked past that tree when I collected wood earlier. I am certain of that. The mark had not been there then. This is the first part where I really lost my nerve, not panic but close. My skin went hot under
Starting point is 00:18:05 my jacket, and I remember looking around with the headlamp beam shaking because my hand was shaking. I saw only trees, my fire, my tent, the truck, and the road beyond. No person, no movement. But the mark was there, and it meant one of two things. Either I had missed it earlier, which I did not believe, or someone had come close enough to my camp to carve it while I was there. I packed faster than I have ever packed in my life. I didn't fold anything. I jammed the sleeping bag and pad into the back seat, threw the tent in wet, kicked dirt over the fire until it stopped glowing, and kept looking toward the road. It was not fully dark yet, but it was close. I remember the exact sound of the tent poles clacking together because it seemed too loud. I was angry at myself
Starting point is 00:18:54 for making noise, like the noise was giving something away, though obviously anyone nearby already knew where I was. When I got into the truck, I locked the doors, started it, and turned around in the pull-out so the headlights swept across the campsite. That beam passed over the marked tree, the fire ring, the stump, and the start of the woods behind the tent spot. For one second, I thought I saw the edge of a sleeve behind a tree, not a whole person, just something dark pulling back. I can't swear to it, and I won't dress it up. It could have been shadow. It could have been a branch, but I did not stay to solve it. I drove toward the main road faster than I should have on mud. I had maybe seven or eight miles to get back to pavement. The first mile was fine. Then I came
Starting point is 00:19:43 around a bend and hit the brakes so hard the truck slid sideways. A tree was across the road, not a huge tree, maybe eight inches thick, freshly cut or freshly broken, lying diagonally from the uphill bank across both ruts. I sat there with my headlights on. on it, engine running, breath going too fast. There were no storms happening, no wind strong enough to drop it. I could see the pale torn end where it had come apart. Maybe it had fallen since I drove in, maybe, but the timing felt impossible. I put the truck in park and sat there for a while with my hands on the wheel.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I had a saw in the bed, one of those folding camp saws, and an axe. Under normal circumstances this would have been annoying, but not a crisis. Cut a few limbs, dragged the trunk enough to squeeze past, move on. But getting out of the truck felt like stepping off a porch into deep water. I turned on the high beams. I rolled down the window two inches and listened. Nothing. No engine behind me.
Starting point is 00:20:47 No footsteps. No snapping branches. The road in front of me was empty, except for that tree. I knew I couldn't sit there all night, so I got out with the rifle slung and the axe in my hand. I left the truck running with the headlights pointed at the tree. The air was cold enough that my nose started running right away. I walked to the tree and touched the broken end, fresh, wet.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It had not been lying there long. There were drag marks in the mud near the uphill side, like it had been pulled or shifted after falling. I didn't like that. I didn't like anything about it. I started cutting smaller limbs away with the axe, working fast and badly. every few swings I stopped and looked back up the road.
Starting point is 00:21:31 The forest beyond the headlights was totally black. That is one of the things people who don't spend time out there don't really understand. A forest at night is not gently dark. It becomes solid. Your light hits a wall of trunks, and past that you get nothing. Something could be 20 feet outside the beam, and you would never know. After maybe five minutes, I had cleared enough limbs that I thought I could drag the trunk by the narrow arrow end. I set the axe down, grabbed the slick bark with both hands, and pulled. It moved a few
Starting point is 00:22:04 inches. I pulled again. That was when a rock hit the road behind me. It was not a pebble rolling down a bank. It hit hard, bounced once, and skittered under the truck. I spun around so fast I almost fell. The headlights blasted past me, lighting the road and the empty bend behind. I saw nothing. But the rock had come from behind the truck, from the direction I had just driven. I left the axe on the ground, jumped back into the cab and locked the doors. I remember fumbling the shifter because my hand would not work right. I reversed maybe 30 feet, then stopped. I could not go backward all the way to the pull-out.
Starting point is 00:22:44 I didn't know what was behind me, and the road had no good place to turn around until then. Going forward was the only way out, so I did the dumbest, and maybe best thing I could do. I put the truck in four-wheel drive, aimed at the thinnest part of the tree, and eased forward until the bumper touched it. Then I gave it gas. The trunk resisted, scraped under the front end, and for a second I thought I had high-centered myself. Then it rolled enough for the right tire to climb over. The whole truck lurched sideways. Something cracked underneath.
Starting point is 00:23:19 I kept going. The rear end bounced over. The bed slammed down. and then I was past it. I drove without stopping for maybe two miles. Every dip and rut felt like it was going to rip the truck apart. I kept checking the mirrors even though they only showed darkness. Then, at the next long, straight stretch, my headlights caught the green Chevy.
Starting point is 00:23:41 It was parked sideways across a spur road on the right, nose pointed slightly toward the main road. Same dented bed, same white camper shell, no lights, no movement. I slowed before I could stop my side. and as I passed, my headlights hit the driver's window. Nobody was behind the wheel. That made no sense to me. The Chevy had driven deeper into the forest an hour or two earlier. Now it was parked on a spur between my camp and the way out, dark and empty. It could have been a hunter. It could have been nothing. But my body reacted before my brain finished making excuses.
Starting point is 00:24:20 I pressed the gas and did not look at it again until it disappeared behind me. I made it to pavement around 7.30. I know the time because the clock in the truck was the only normal thing in front of me, and I kept staring at it like it could prove I was still in the same world I had started in that morning. I did not stop until I got to a gas station in a small town outside the forest. I parked under the brightest lights, went inside, and tried to act normal while buying a coffee I did not want. The woman at the counter asked if I was okay because I had mud on my pants and bark on my jacket. jacket, and I told her I'd had to clear a tree. That was all I could get out without sounding
Starting point is 00:24:59 crazy. From the gas station, I called County Dispatch. I didn't make it sound spooky. I said I had found an occupied-looking hunting camp with no one around, warm equipment, and later someone had possibly blocked the road behind me. I mentioned the carvings because they felt important, but even as I said it, I felt stupid. The dispatcher did not laugh. She asked where I was. She asked where I was. where the camp was, whether I had seen any people, whether anyone had threatened me, and whether I needed medical help. I said no. She told me a deputy would meet me there. The deputy who showed up was maybe in his 40s, calm in the way people get when they've listened to every kind of bad story and know which parts matter. His name was Harris. He had me start from the beginning and didn't
Starting point is 00:25:49 interrupt much. When I described the green Chevy, he asked for details twice. Older model, dented bed, white camper shell, dark cap on the driver. When I described the boot print with the worn heel, he wrote that down too. The carvings got a look from him, not disbelief exactly, but recognition that he didn't like them. He told me I had done the right thing leaving. Then he told me not to go back out there on my own, which felt unnecessary but also. comforting. He called someone else, and after a while another deputy showed up along with a Forest Service law enforcement officer. I had never dealt with Forest Service law enforcement before. I knew they existed, but I mostly thought of rangers as the people who check campsites and answer
Starting point is 00:26:36 questions. This guy was different. He was all business, and when I described the camp location, he seemed to know the area. They did not ask me to guide them in that night, which I was grateful for. They said the road condition and darkness made it a bad idea unless someone was actively in danger, and since I had not seen an injured person, they were going to wait for daylight and go in with more people. I gave them the best directions I could. I also told them about the tree across the road and the Chevy parked on the spur. Deputy Harris asked if I had somewhere to stay. I said I could drive home, but he suggested I get a motel because I looked wrecked and had a long drive.
Starting point is 00:27:17 I took that advice. I barely slept. Every time a truck went by on the road outside the motel, I sat up. I kept thinking about the camp, the warm lantern, the symbol on the tree behind my tent, and the rock hitting the road. I kept replaying the moment I passed the Chevy and saw the empty driver's seat. The worst thought was that someone had been close enough to my camp to carve that mark, and I had been sitting by the fire eating soup like everything was fine. The next morning, Harris called me. He asked if I could come to the sheriff's office before I left town. I thought I was in trouble for something, maybe for messing with the tree or being near someone's camp. Instead, when I got there, he sat me in a small interview room with the Forest Service officer from the night before,
Starting point is 00:28:05 and asked me to go through the route again. They had gone in at first light. They found the camp. They also found the green Chevy. The truck was registered to a man named Lowell, price. I'm using a different name here, but he was real. Harris told me only what he could tell me, and I filled in some of the rest from what later became public in the local paper, and from one follow-up call I got months afterward. Lowell was in his late 50s and had a history of problems in the area, trespassing, theft from camps, a couple of assault charges years back, and a long-running feud with hunters he believed were pushing him out of his part of the forest. He did not own land there.
Starting point is 00:28:48 He had just decided that drainage belonged to him because he had been squatting in and around it for years. The camp I found was not his main camp. That was the first thing that made me cold. It was a set camp, used when he wanted to watch that saddle. The wall tent had gear in it, but most of it was junk or stolen. The open can, the warm lantern, the gloves. All of that had been left in a way that made it look like someone had just stepped away.
Starting point is 00:29:15 I asked Harris why someone would do that, and he looked at me for a second before saying, To see what people do? I still think about that line. They found no injured hunter near the camp. They found no body. But they did find a dugout space under a tangle of blowdown about 40 yards above it, covered with branches and a piece of old plywood. From there, a person could look down into the camp without being seen,
Starting point is 00:29:41 unless you knew exactly where to look. There were food wrappers, cigarette butts, and a cheap pair of binoculars in that space. There were also several spent fuel cans and one of those small folding stools. He had been sitting up there. Maybe when I walked into the camp. Maybe when I touched the lantern. Maybe while I looked at those trees. The carvings were his.
Starting point is 00:30:07 At least, that's what they believed. Some were months old. Some were fresh. They found the same mark around other little spots in the drainage. The Forest Service officer said Lowell used it as a boundary sign, or maybe a warning, or maybe just because he liked making people uncomfortable. Nobody could give me a clean reason, because people like that often don't have clean reasons. The mark on the tree behind my tent was fresh enough that they took it seriously.
Starting point is 00:30:36 They believed he followed me from the saddle back to the truck, then later to the pullout, and marked my camp while I was away from the fire or while my back was turned. That part still makes me feel sick. I was there. I was alert. I thought I was paying attention. He still got that close. They found the tree across the road too.
Starting point is 00:30:57 It had been cut most of the way through with a hand saw and then pushed down. Not a clean chainsaw cut, not weather. There were footprints around it with a worn heel pattern. same general size as what I had seen. The rock that hit the road behind me was never going to be evidence of anything, but by then I didn't need anyone to prove it. Someone had been there while I was outside the truck, working on that tree. Lowell was not at the camp when they searched it.
Starting point is 00:31:26 That was the part I did not like hearing. They found his truck, but not him. The Chevy had been parked where I saw it, and inside were a bedroll, hand tools, canned food, loose ammunition, and several items that had been reported stolen from other camps over the past year. They also found mud on the floorboard and bark shavings on the passenger seat. The driver's door was unlocked. The keys were gone. For two days, they looked for him. I went home and tried to go back to my normal life, but I kept checking local updates and
Starting point is 00:32:00 answering calls when Harris had more questions. The story that eventually came out was smaller and less dramatic than what my imagination had built. Lowell had not vanished into thin air. He had circled away from the truck on foot and worked down toward private timberland, probably using routes he knew better than anyone. On the third day, a landowner found him in an old equipment shed about six miles from where I had seen the Chevy. He was cold, hungry, and angry, and he tried to run but didn't get far. They arrested him without anyone getting shot, which I'm thankful for because the whole thing already sits badly enough in my head. The charges were a mix of things, and I won't pretend I understood all of them.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Thief, obstruction, criminal mischief, threats connected to an earlier incident, and something related to damaging federal property because of the carved trees. I was never attacked, so my part was mostly a report. Harris told me later that my call mattered because they had been getting scattered complaints for months. but never had a solid location or a recent sighting. Hunters had found camps messed with. One guy said he woke up to someone standing near his truck, but by the time he got out, the person was gone.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Another person had reported a similar mark carved near a dispersed campsite, but nobody knew what to make of it. It sounded like a bunch of small, weird incidents until the pieces started lining up. There is one more part that did not make the paper, and it is the reason I still think about that empty camp more than I probably should. About a month after it happened, Harris called me again. He said some recovered gear had been identified and asked if I remembered anything specific about the items in the
Starting point is 00:33:44 wall tent. I told him what I could, the gloves, the cooler, the cot, the beans, the socks, the lantern. He asked about the sleeping bag. I said it was dark blue or black, pretty old, with silver duct tape on one corner. He went quiet for a moment, then said that help. I asked if it belonged to someone. He paused long enough that I knew he was deciding what to say. Then he told me carefully that some of the gear belonged to a hunter who had reported it stolen the year before. That hunter was fine, but not all of the gear had been matched yet.
Starting point is 00:34:19 A few items were older. Some had names written on them that were hard to read. One item had initials that might have matched a missing person from years back, but he said it was not confirmed and told me not to run with it. I didn't. I'm not trying to turn this into a mystery bigger than it was. As far as I know, they never tied Lowell to a missing person. I don't know if he ever heard anyone beyond scaring them and stealing from them. People can do a lot of damage without becoming the worst-case version of themselves. But I keep thinking about that hidden spot above the camp, the cheap binoculars,
Starting point is 00:34:55 the warm lantern, and the way the tent flap had been left open. It was staged enough to pull a person in, but casual enough that you could explain it away. If I had stepped inside the tent, if I had stayed longer, if I had waited there for the owner to come back, I don't know what he would have done. I also think about the branch laid across the path at the saddle. That never made it into any official conversation because it sounded too minor. But to me, it was the first direct message, not words, not a threat, just a green branch placed where it had not been before, telling me that someone knew which way I had come in and which way I would leave. That is what scared me most once everything settled down. Not the symbol, not the tree across the
Starting point is 00:35:41 road, not even the rock thrown behind me. It was the patience of it. He had all day. I was the one who had a plan, a schedule, a reason to be there. He just had the forest and time. The forest service closed that small spur for a while. I don't know if it stayed closed. I have not gone back to check. I still camp, but I don't solo camp in places like that anymore, and I don't push past the first bad feeling just to prove I can. If I come across a camp that looks recently used and nobody is there, I leave. I don't inspect it.
Starting point is 00:36:17 I don't try to solve it. I get out and report it from somewhere safe. People always ask what the carved symbol meant. I don't know. Maybe it meant nothing beyond what Lowell wanted it to mean in that moment. Maybe it was his way of making a place feel claimed. Maybe it was just something he started doing years earlier and kept doing because it worked. I've had people tell me it sounds like some occult thing, and I don't buy that.
Starting point is 00:36:43 What happened to me was creepy enough without making it supernatural. It was a man in the woods who had spent a long time learning how to make other people feel surrounded. The last thing I'll say is this. The camp did not look evil. That's what bothers me when I remember it. It looked normal at first. It looked normal at first. A wall tent, a table, socks drying on a line, a can of beans, a lantern with a little heat still in it.
Starting point is 00:37:08 It looked like someone had stepped away and might come back any second. That normalness is what made me walk closer. It made me call out. It made me stand in the middle of those carved trees trying to be helpful instead of getting the hell out. And somewhere above me, in that dugout space under the blowdown, a man was probably sitting still enough to hear me breathing. There were three of us, me, Seth, and Joe. We've known each other since high school, which puts us at about 22 years of friendship by then. Seth is the kind of guy who gets a wild hair, and a week later he's done the whole Tour de Montblanc with a homemade
Starting point is 00:37:54 backpack. Joe is more methodical. He's the one who looks at the weather, looks at the maps, looks at the elevation profile, and actually reads the trail reports. I'm somewhere in the middle. I've done a lot of trips. I know what I'm doing in the woods, but I'm not the planner. I just show up when one of those two calls. Seth called in late September. He'd been wanting to do a long weekend in the Ozarks for a couple of years. He'd done some research on the Ozark Highlands Trail and had picked out a section out of one of the more remote stretches between sand gap and a trailhead I won't name because I don't want anyone going looking for it. About 28 miles total, point-to-point with a shuttle car. We'd give ourselves.
Starting point is 00:38:35 four days, easy pace. Plenty of time to fish a couple of the creeks and just be away from our jobs for a while. I said yes the same night he called. Joe took a day to think about it because Joe always takes a day to think about things, and then he said yes too. We drove down in two cars on a Wednesday, left my truck at the takeout, drove back to the trailhead in Seth's Jeep. The leaves were just starting to turn. The Ozarks in October are honestly one of the prettiest places I've ever been. The hardwoods go orange and red in big sweeps along the ridges, and there's a haze that sits in the hollows in the morning that makes the whole place look older than it is. We were in a good mood when we should should shoulder our packs and started up the trail. I should mention something
Starting point is 00:39:21 here. I carried a revolver on that trip, a six-shot 38 that belonged to my grandfather, with a four-inch barrel and a worn-out grip that I'd had wrapped in hockey tape for years. I'd been carrying it on backpacking trip since my late 20s, mostly for feral dogs and the occasional bad feeling around a parking lot trailhead. Seth thought it was overkill. Joe never said anything about it one way or the other. It lived in the side pocket of my hip belt, where I could get to it in about two seconds. I'd never once pulled it on a trip. The first day was uneventful. We knocked out about eight miles, set up camp in a flat spot above a small creek, ate freeze-dried pasta, and went to bed early. The woods that night were normal. Owls, frogs, the usual. The second day was where things started. We broke camp around
Starting point is 00:40:13 eight in the morning and hiked through some of the most remote country in that whole forest. There's a stretch of the Ozark Highlands where you go for hours without crossing a road, without seeing a sign, without seeing a footprint that isn't yours. That part of the trip was supposed to be the highlight, and in some ways it was. We saw a black bear on a ridge in the early afternoon. He saw us first, looked at us for about five seconds, and then turned and went down the backside of the ridge, and that was that. Joe was thrilled. Seth was thrilled. I was thrilled. Bears at a distance are a great trip memory. We made about 10 miles that day, and pulled into our second camp around 4 in the afternoon. It was a wide bench above another creek.
Starting point is 00:40:58 With a fire ring, somebody had built years ago, and a couple of flat tent spots. We had plenty of light to set up. Joe was filtering water at the creek. Seth was getting wood. I was setting up my tarp. That's when I first saw him. I was driving a stake in with the back of my hatchet, and I just happened to look up, and there he was, about 80 yards away,
Starting point is 00:41:21 standing in the trees on the far side of our camp. He wasn't moving. He wasn't holding anything that I could see. He was just standing there in the timber, looking at me. Now look, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking I saw a stump or a shadow or another hiker passing through. I want you to know I considered all of those things at the time. But this was a person.
Starting point is 00:41:45 He was wearing dark clothing, dark pants, and his face was lighter than the rest of him because his face wasn't covered. He was tall, maybe six foot two, and he was just standing in the timber not moving, watching me set up my tarp. I stood up. He didn't move. I waved.
Starting point is 00:42:03 He didn't move. I called over to Seth, who was about 30 feet away pulling dead wood off a downed oak. I said, Hey, there's a guy in the trees over there. Seth looked up, looked where I was pointing,
Starting point is 00:42:15 and squinted. By the time he was looking, the man was gone, not running away, just gone, the way somebody is gone when they take two steps backward into thicker brush.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Seth said, are you sure? I said, yeah, I'm sure. Joe came up from the creek with two full bottles. Joe said, What's going on? I told him. Joe got that flat look he gets when he's processing something he doesn't like. He said, did he have a pack? I said, I don't think so. Joe said, did he say anything? I said no. He just stood there looking. Joe set the water bottles down and walked over to the spot where I'd seen him. Seth and I followed. We weren't carrying anything except the hatchet I still had in my hand. We got to the trees and it was that classic Ozark hardwood understory. Leaf litter, sticks, some thin saplings. There were no obvious tracks. The leaves were dry and they don't
Starting point is 00:43:11 take a print well. But Joe pointed down at one spot where the leaves had been pressed flat in two oval shapes, side by side, the size and shape of boot soles. Somebody had been standing. Somebody had been standing there, recently. Joe said, well, that's interesting. We walked back to camp and talked about it. Seth's take was that it was probably a local hunter, maybe a poacher, and he didn't want to be seen because he knew he was on federal land out of season or without a tag. That was the most reasonable explanation. There are people in the Ozarks who hunt and trap year-round on land they've been hunting on for generations, regardless of whose name is on the deed, and they don't love bumping into hikers. Joe did not.
Starting point is 00:43:52 seemed convinced, but he didn't argue. He said we should keep our eyes open, and we should not split up the rest of the night. I agreed. Seth agreed. We finished setting up camp. We ate dinner before dark. We didn't have a fire. We used our stoves. The reason I bring this up is because we'd planned to have a fire that night, but nobody said it out loud, and nobody built one. There was just an unspoken thing where having a fire would have told whoever was out there exactly where we were. We went to bed early. I slept with the revolver in the foot of my sleeping bag, which is something I had never done before on a trip. I'd always kept it in my pack. That night I wanted it where I could put my hand on it without unzipping anything. I woke up once in the night. I don't know what time it
Starting point is 00:44:40 was. I lay there listening for a long time. The woods were normal, owls, the creek, wind in the leaves. After a while I went back to sleep. In the morning, I went out to pee about 30 feet from my tarp, and there was a flat spot in the leaves about 15 feet from where I'd been sleeping. Two oval shapes, side by side, pressed into the leaf litter, the size of a man's boots. I didn't tell Seth and Joe about the prints next to my tarp. I'm not proud of that. I don't know exactly why I didn't tell them. Part of me thought I was going to spook everybody for nothing. Part of me thought maybe I'd made it up. Maybe one of them had walked over there in the night, and I was reading too much into it. But part of me, and this is the honest part,
Starting point is 00:45:27 was scared that if I told them, we'd all have to admit out loud that somebody had walked up to within 15 feet of my head while I was asleep and stood there. And once we admitted that, the trip was over, and on some childish level, I didn't want the trip to be over yet. I'll regret that until the day I die. We hiked the third day, about nine miles. The country was beautiful. We crossed a couple of small bluffs with views down into a hollow where the leaves were going gold at the canopy and red lower down. Around lunch we sat on a rock and ate tortillas with peanut butter, and Joe said something that I've thought about a thousand times since. He said, I keep feeling like we're being followed, just on and off. Every once in a while there's somebody
Starting point is 00:46:15 back there. Seth said, you too? I said me too. We all sat there for a minute. Then Seth said, all right. We pushed to camp tonight. We set up tight. We sleep light. And tomorrow we hike out. We don't do the fourth day. We get to the truck and we go home. We all agreed. It was the right call. It was the call we should have made the night before. We kept hiking. The third night's camp was on another bench above another creek, a little tighter, a little less open. The trees came in closer on three sides. Behind us was a steep slope going up to a ridge. In front of us, beyond the creek, was more timber. We got there, with maybe an hour and a half of light left. We set up fast. Joe went down to the creek to filter water again because he had the filter and it was his
Starting point is 00:47:03 job. Seth was banging stakes for the tent he and Joe were sharing. I was about 10 yards uphill of both of them, working on my tarp. It happened so fast. I heard Joe yell, not a scream, a yell, a short, surprised yell, an animal noise. I turned around and I could see down to the creek through a gap in the trees, and I saw Joe stagger sideways and go down on one knee on the gravel. I saw the man for the second time. He was on Joe. He had come out of the brush on the far side of the creek and crossed the water without Joe hearing him, and he had a hatchet in his right hand. Not a normal hatchet, a hand-made one. The head of it was metal, but it didn't look store-bought. It looked beaten flat, attached with cord to a wooden handle that was longer than a regular hatchet handle.
Starting point is 00:47:54 The whole thing looked wrong. He was a man, but everything about him was wrong. He was wearing dark clothing that hung on him, and his hair was long and matted, and he was thin, underfed. You could see the shape of his skull through the skin of his face. He was barefoot. I want to say that again because it sticks with me. He was barefoot in the creek in October in the Ozarks. He had hit Joe in the upper back with the hatchet. Joe was on his knee in the gravel, with one hand reaching back over his shoulder, and there was blood on the gravel, and the man was lifting the hatchet again. I screamed. I don't remember what I screamed. I just made a noise as loud as I could make it. He looked at me. I want to tell you about his face, because that's the part I see in the
Starting point is 00:48:41 dark sometimes. He didn't look angry. He didn't look afraid. He looked curious. He looked curious. He was taking inventory of me. He was deciding something. I had the revolver out. I don't remember pulling it. Adrenaline does that. I had it up in both hands and I was screaming at him to back off. Get back.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Get the hell away from him. Seth was screaming too from somewhere behind me. The man stood there in the creek for what felt like a long time but was probably less than two seconds. Then he turned and ran. I fired one shot. I didn't aim at him. I aimed up and to his left into a tree. Because even in that moment, some part of my brain was telling me you do not shoot at a person if you don't have to.
Starting point is 00:49:24 I just wanted him to know the gun was real. The shot was loud. The shot was so loud that for the first half second after it, I couldn't hear anything else. The man went up the far bank in three or four strides and disappeared into the timber. I did not chase him. I went down to Joe. Seth got there before me. Joe was conscious.
Starting point is 00:49:44 He was talking. He was saying, oh God, oh God. oh God. The hatchet had hit him in the meat of his upper back, on the right side between his spine and his shoulder blade. I'm not a doctor. I don't know exactly what got cut, but there was a lot of blood. The wound wasn't a clean cut. It was a torn, ugly thing, and you could see something white at the bottom of it that I think was bone. Seth had his first aid kid out before I even got my pack off. Seth used to be a wilderness EMT in college. He had Joe leaning forward against a rock, and he was packing the wound with gauze and pressing on it. He told me to go get the in-reach. We had a satellite
Starting point is 00:50:22 communicator. Joe carried it. I went up to Joe's pack and dug it out and brought it down and we sent an S-OS. I don't know exactly what time it was. The light was going, maybe seven in the evening. Then we waited. I want to tell you about that wait because it was the longest two and a half hours of my life. Seth kept Joe stable. Joe stayed conscious. We kept him warm with both our sleeping bags and we kept pressure on the wound and we got fluids into him slowly. I sat on the gravel next to him with the revolver in my lap and I watched the timber on the far side of the creek. I did not blink for two and a half hours. I'm sure I did. But I have no memory of blinking. I just remember staring at the trees and thinking, if he comes back, I will shoot him in the chest.
Starting point is 00:51:11 I will not aim at a tree. I will shoot him in the chest until the gun is empty. He didn't come come back. The helicopter found us a little after 9.30. I don't know how they found us in the dark. I know they had our SOS coordinates from the satellite. They had a spotlight. They came in low over the ridge and they put down on a gravel bar about 100 yards downstream and two paramedics came up in headlamps. They got Joe stabilized and on a stretcher and they carried him back down to the helicopter with us walking alongside. They told Seth and me to stay at the camp and they would send a ground team in the morning to walk us out. Seth said no. Seth said we are not staying here. The pilot looked at the paramedic. The paramedic looked at the pilot. They had room for two more
Starting point is 00:52:00 if we left our gear. We left everything. Tents, packs, sleeping bags, my hatchet, all of it. I kept the revolver in my waistband and the satellite communicator in my pocket, and that was it. We climbed into the helicopter, and they flew us out. The hospital, the hospital, the hospital. The hospital, was in a town that I'm going to call Cedar because I don't want to give the real name. It was about 45 minutes by air. They took Joe into surgery. Seth and I sat in the waiting room covered in dirt and blood and pine sap, and we did not say anything to each other for a long time. A deputy came in around midnight. He was an older guy, maybe late 50s, gray hair, gray mustache, soft voice. He sat down across from us and he had a notebook and a pen and he said his name,
Starting point is 00:52:46 and he said he needed to take our statement. We told him everything, the first sighting, the boot prints, the feeling of being followed, the attack, the hatchet, the man being barefoot, the shot I fired, everything. He wrote it down and he didn't interrupt. When we were done, he closed his notebook. He put it on the seat next to him. He looked at me, and then he looked at Seth, and then he looked back at me.
Starting point is 00:53:12 He said, can I tell you boys something off the record? We said yes. He said, You understand that what I'm about to tell you is not something I can put in a report. You understand that you didn't hear it from me. We said yes. He said, there are people who live up in those hills
Starting point is 00:53:29 who don't come down. There are families up in those hollows who have been up there since before this was a national forest. They didn't leave when the forest was created in 1908. They didn't leave when the roads went in. They didn't leave when the trails went in. They live up there. and they hunt up there, and they bury their dead up there, and they don't talk to people
Starting point is 00:53:49 who aren't them. And every once in a while, somebody who wasn't them goes up into those hollows and doesn't come back out. Seth said, are you saying there's a serial killer up there? The deputy said, no. I'm saying there are people up there who live by their own rules, and their rules are not our rules, and they protect their own, and they don't think of you the same way you think of them. I'm saying what happened to your friend tonight has happened before to other people. And the men who did it were never caught, because nobody up in those hollows is going to tell us anything. And we don't have the manpower to go up there and turn over every hollow in 200,000 acres of forest. I said, so what do we do? The deputy looked at me for a long time. He said,
Starting point is 00:54:33 you go home, you take your friend, and you go home, and you don't come back to this part of the state. You file your report. We'll do what we can do. Don't expect much. And don't ever ever go back into that section of the forest. Not for a day hike, not for a fishing trip, not for anything. You hear me. I heard him. Joe came out of surgery around three in the morning. The hatchet had cut into the muscle of his upper back and chipped his scapula but had missed everything important. He was going to be okay. He was going to need physical therapy for months, and he was going to have a scar that he was going to have for the rest of his life, but he was going to live. We sat with him.
Starting point is 00:55:14 in recovery, and Seth cried and I cried. And Joe was on so many drugs he kept trying to tell us a story about his college roommate that didn't have an ending. The next morning, Seth's brother drove down from Missouri to pick us up. We left my truck at the takeout. I went back two weeks later with my brother-in-law and a sheriff's escort to get it. We drove in, we got the truck, we drove out. I have not been back to the Ozark National Forest since. The fall of the first. The fall of the follow-up is the part that took me a long time to write, so I'm going to give it to you straight. The sheriff's department did send a team in. They walked the camp. They recovered our gear. They found tracks going up the slope on the far side of the creek for about a quarter mile,
Starting point is 00:55:59 and then they lost them on rocky ground. They ran the description we gave them against missing persons, against psychiatric holds, against arrest records, and they got nothing. Nobody named, nobody flagged. But the deputy called me about six months later, in the spring of 2020, he called me at home, on my cell phone, from his personal phone. He said he wanted me to know something. He said the local sheriff's office had made contact with a family that lived up in the hollows in that area. Not the family that had attacked Joe, a different family, an older family that sometimes traded with the Forest Service for roadwork in the winter. And one of the old older men in that family had told a deputy, off the record, that there was a man up in one of the
Starting point is 00:56:47 deeper hollows who'd been a problem for the other families for years, who had hurt his own kin, who had been put out of his family some time ago and was living in the woods by himself. The old man said that the man had a sickness in his head, and that the families up there were not going to do anything about him, because he was still kin, even if he wasn't welcome, and they handled their own. The deputy who called me said that he wanted to be a man. He wanted to wanted me to know that we had not made it up. He wanted me to know that the man was real, and that the people up there knew about him, and that it was not going to be handled in a way that any of us would call justice.
Starting point is 00:57:24 About a year after that, in the fall of 2021, the deputy called me one more time. He told me that a hunter had found human remains in one of the hollows in that part of the forest, and that the remains had been there for some time. Months at least. The remains had been a man, a tall man, six foot two. The remains were wearing dark clothing. The remains had been buried, but only just barely, in a shallow grave under leaf litter, and the remains had been buried with a handmade hatchet.
Starting point is 00:57:57 A wooden handle with a beaten metal head, attached with cord. The deputy said the family hadn't reported the death. The hunter had. The family hadn't said anything to anybody. And nobody up in those hollows was answering any question. about who he was or who had killed him, or when, or why. The deputy said, I just wanted you to know that he's not out there anymore.
Starting point is 00:58:20 I thought you'd want to know. I said thank you. I sat in my kitchen for a long time after that call. I sat there and I thought about a barefoot man standing in a creek in October with a hatchet in his hand, looking at me with curious eyes. I thought about the boot prints next to my tarp on the second night, and how he had stood there and watched me sleep and decided, to wait one more day. I thought about Joe and the gravel, and I thought about whoever had decided,
Starting point is 00:58:47 up in those hollows, that he'd done enough. I thought about how they'd waited until they were ready, and then they'd taken care of it themselves, on their own timeline, for their own reasons, and they had buried him with the hatchet, because that was how they did things, and they were never going to tell anybody, and that was the end of it. The deputy was right about one thing. Their rules are not our rules. But on this one, I didn't mind. On this one, their rules and my rules ended up at the same place. Joe still has the scar. He still hikes. He won't go to Arkansas. Seth and I still hike. We don't go to Arkansas either. We stuck to Colorado and Wyoming and the Smokies after that, and we made jokes about it for a couple of years, and then we stopped making jokes about it.
Starting point is 00:59:36 I still carry my grandfather's revolver on every trip I take. I have never had to draw it again. I hope I never do. But I will tell you one last thing, and then I'll let you go. Sometimes, when I'm out in the woods by myself, in the late evening when the light is going, I'll look up from whatever I'm doing, and I'll look at the tree line, and I'll think about him. Not because I'm afraid he's there. I know he's not.
Starting point is 01:00:03 I know exactly where he is in a hollow in Arkansas under leaf litter with his hatchet. I look at the tree line because I want to make sure I always look, I always will.

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