Just Trish - Addressing the Brittany Broski Drama & Justice for James Charles?

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

Is it Trish? Is she the drama? On episode 70 of 'JUST TRISH,' Trisha explains her emotional reaction to the drama with Brittany Broski after Tana Mongeau exposed text messages from the 'Broski Report' host. Plus, Trish breaks down the most chaotic and cringe moments from Coachella--and finds out James Charles and Tati Westbrook's "Bye Sister" scandal all began at the 2019 music festival when James accepted some hair gummies for a VIP wristband. Looking back at the historic scandal, was James in the right? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, is that the Wendy, right? Let's just become her at this point. Hi, guys. Welcome back to Just Trish, or we like to call the Wendy adjacent. If you can't have Wendy, you get me. A little nicer. But once I get older, I'm going to go back to my mean self, I feel. I'm going to become more Wendy, more real.

I don't want to call it even me. I don't know. Unfiltered. Isn't that a podcast? That is a podcast. Oh, my God, yeah. It's trademarked. Zay't want to call it even me. I don't know. Unfiltered. Isn't that a podcast? That is a podcast. Oh my God. Yeah. Is that the Zayn and Heath, right? Yeah. Is it unfiltered? Maybe it would be pretty. Why do they always come up? Because you see it. Would be pretty and unfiltered. I like that. Instead of pretty X. Okay. I still like unpretty. I think that could be us. Yeah. I thought of another name for us too. God. Oh man. I had such a good one

the other night when I was like falling asleep. It was so good. Oh, I know. The wannabes. Tina is us. Because everyone's doing headscarves for Coachella. This weekend, like we should have done headscarves, but we're so far behind. We're on the chucker hats.

Yeah. We're still in the hat period. Because Tina's like, oh, everyone's doing headscarves for Coachella. I was like, damn, we should have done headscarves. I was like, oh, man, we're kind of behind. But I'm going to say we feel like the it people now. And hence why we have It Boy, It They. Yes. Because I was like, you know, for the first time, it feels like, you know, we're kind

of getting our own little fan base. We're not like attached to anybody else's. Because I feel like we've always been like that. You were with Strawberry and Joey. I've been with like Shane and David. And it's like now we're kind of like our own little It squad. Anyways, that's how I feel. I feel that too.

A little bit. Not too much. Don't worry. You don't have to humble us. We're still very hard on ourselves. Yes, yes, how I feel. I feel that too. A little bit. Not too much. Don't worry. You don't have to humble us. We're still very hard on ourselves. Yes, yes, yes. We'll never be like, you know, the Call Her Daddies or whatever. Or the Joe Rogans.

Maybe one day. Maybe one day. That's the aspiration. But even if we hit that, we can never think that. You know what I mean? And we never will. We never will because we hate our bodies and our faces. So I think those are like hot people that are like, we're so hot.

Like, I will always hate myself more than you hate me. Tea spilled. We like hot people that are like we're so hot like i will always hate myself more than you hate me so he spilled we're trying i mean we're trying you sounded like oh speaking of plain jane that's what he sounded like remember when yeah when q was like sharing their really you know their story about hiv yeah yeah like what did plain jane say mama kudos for that. For spilling. Yeah, for spilling. For spilling. Such a serious woman but we love Plain Jane for that.

My eye is watering. My lips are probably crusted with toasted. You guys, this is the Just Trish Podcast. Shout out to we have a highlights channel now. What's the ad again?

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We appreciate it. We're doing highlights now. Just so exciting. It is fun. You're so good, too. You're like creating. It's almost like a new podcast. Like new title, new thumbnail.

It's like three new captivating titles. Shout out Jimmy. He's adding more like clips and B-roll and stuff, too, since they're shorter. Wow, really? You can throw in a little bit. Yeah. Oh, shout out Jimmy. He's adding more clips and B-roll and stuff too since they're shorter. Wow, really? You can throw in a little bit, yeah. Okay, it worked. He's repackaging them a little bit.

So it's a little fresh even if you've seen the show already. Oh, I didn't know. Okay, and you're doing the thumbnails, right? Yeah. They're so good. I didn't know we're adding.

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Patreon videos. We're going to try and incorporate Moses more. I don't know what we're maybe reacting to his poetry. That's what I was thinking. A little slam poetry action there. And then they won't miss me anymore. Well, because he doesn't love like fast food and stuff so it's like if we go to wendy's i mean you've eaten wendy's before on the patreon even though he doesn't remember that but but you know what they have now is domino's has like a new york style pizza really it's new and i was like gosh i really like honestly really want to get a domino's like new york style pizza it looks so good so i was like oh that's a patreon i love that you're breaking this news to me that's a big that's a Patreon. I love that you're breaking this news to me. That's a big hot topic.

I love breaking the news. Because we tried the Wendy's Dreamcicle. That's coming up soon. So anyways, you guys, check it out if you want to see more of this crew right here. Patreon.com slash JustTrish. We do extended podcasts. They're almost an hour long after this show. We'll have new headshots and new stickers for next month.

Shout out to the people who got the headshots this month. They're already out. So we don't need to show them because you can't get them anymore anyways. So they're shipping out today. It's tax day today. So, you know, wait, people would get money back normally, right, on tax day? Some people do, yeah. So go spend it on patreon.com. People always say, oh, I bought a new car with my tax refund. And I was like, what job is that? What's that job where you get money back? I don't know what that job is.

I'm just constantly paying taxes. But I mean, it's fine. I'm not complaining. It's fine. Everything's good. Do you pay taxes or do you get money back? I pay back usually, or last year I had to pay back. This year I think I also had to pay back. Like you pay in or pay back? I don't know what it is. Or pay. I paid something. You paid something. Yeah. I was like, oh my God, I'm used to getting money back. It's never been a lot. It's always been like a hundred, $200, whatever. And last year I had to pay a lot back. I was like, oh my God. I'm used to getting money back. It's never been a lot. It's always been like $100, $200, whatever.

And last year I had to pay a lot back. And I was like, well, $600. But that's kind of a lot. This year, I don't know. It stresses me out. So my dad just does it for me. He has a tax guy. And I'm like, yeah.

Oh, I love that for you. I'm happy my dad's retired because now he's just kind of like my assistant. Oh my God. That's my mom too. It's so great. It's like, I love it. She literally is like nanny during the time when we're podcasting. She ships out my Poshmark. She literally is like you were to Joey, basically. It's so great. It's like I love it. She literally is like nanny during the time when we're podcasting. She ships out my Poshmark.

She literally is like you were to Joey basically and it's wonderful. She helps me ship out everything. It's kind of the best. I mean – It is. And my dad loves it too. Yeah. He has nothing really to do so he just like will watch the dogs for me and then do whatever

little tasks I need. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's everything. Yeah, because I mean when you retire, you still want to do something. Yeah. That's very him. He almost wanted to get a job like at target or something because you kind of got bored oh my god you did too didn't you didn't you're like i want to get a job i remember you said that no target's a slay though like honestly that's a good job like

no it is yeah we both work there i didn't hate it to be. Like, we both worked there. Yeah, we both worked there. I didn't hate it, to be honest. I mean, we both did electronics. I feel like that's, like, the better department, I think. But is it now? Because it's, like, no one's buying CDs anymore. That's TV. You know what I mean? Or, like, cameras.

No one's really buying cameras. They're so expensive at Target anyways. Like, TVs are more expensive than if you go to, like, Costco or something. Best Buy, all those things. I was so good at selling a TV, though, because I would. Really? Yeah. I would kind of.

I knew, like, the base amount of information, but I would always just kind of like spice it up a little bit. I'm like this is the one, the pixels, LED, and I would say like liquid something display. Like I was dropping – Liquid display? What's a liquid display? No idea, but I was selling it. Oh, you didn't know? Oh, that's even better.

No, but that's what's so good about you is you can just like – you do sell things. You make things like so much more. That's why you're good at thumbnails and titles because it makes it seem like this podcast is way more juicy than it is it's like forgiving david over who are we forgiving this week forgiving jojo i might be forgiving jojo this week i have a color daddy redemption for her that i kind of felt a little sympathy for her so um anyways we love you also you remind me of oh my god when you're talking about taxes is who do you think who you also remind me of david from schitt's creek did you ever watch that show i've never seen schitt's creek wait what i know i know that's so good

it's a me coded show i know from what i've seen but i think i just like heard about it too late we did too so i never like went back to watch it but maybe i will maybe i'll like you have to and like watch something like 10 years well we kind of did too because we found out about during quarantine which i guess is like when a lot of people like rediscovered it but i i will maybe i'll like you have to and like watch something like 10 years well we kind of did too because we found out about during quarantine which i guess is like when a lot of people like rediscovered it but i guess it came up before but especially now on tiktok i keep seeing clips we talk about like literally we have our guest room schitt's creek theme like we like oh yeah i did not think i would like it when people were telling me the explanation of it i was like uh no i saw the cast i was like uh no but honestly the cast is like so good i was like why was i so

judgy i was like i'm absolutely not like i only knew eugene, the cast was like so good. I was like, why was I so judgy? I was like, I'm absolutely not. Like I only knew Eugene Levy from was Sheeper by the Dozen and I never liked him in that movie. So I was like, oh, no, he's like not funny. But now I'm like obsessed with him. I'm obsessed with obviously Catherine O'Hara. Like I love her Beetlejuice. But David, what's his name?

What is his name? Do you know? Levy. He's Eugene Levy's son. Dan Levy. Oh, Dan Levy. Yeah. Yeah.

But you remind me so much of the character David he plays because he talks about taxes and he's like, God, do you know which one I'm talking about? That scene where he's like. What do you mean? Just write it off. Oh, yeah. He goes, you write it off. He's like, who writes it off?

He's like, or he's like, who pays for it? He's like, nobody. You write it off. He's like, who writes it off? I don't know. The tax people. The write-off people. Yeah, it's such a good clip.

And it's like so. And it's kind of true, though. It's a write-off. He's like, who pays for it? I'm like, I don't know. Like that is true. I don't know. Anyways, you're so that coded.

I love – you know, Dan Lovey felt like never really – I mean maybe he's like super successful writing. I don't know. But like acting-wise, he never really got like a role that was like amazing after that. Yeah, because he was so popular. He won like Emmys and I think maybe Golden Globes too. I imagine. I think he won a lot of awards, especially that last season.

But yeah. He's so good on the show. And then I saw one movie he was in. I don't think it's his fault. I think the movie was just awful. Do you remember that Christmas movie? There was like a Christmas movie he was in. I think in movies he's always been like a supporting small character.

And then TV is just a whole different world. Well, like Haunted Mansion, you like blinked and missed him. Everyone's like, oh, Dan Levy's in it. I was like, oh, I want to see because I like love him. And then like he was in like literally like he was like a tour guide or something and like for a minute of the scene, which I love him. But maybe because he wrote the – did he write the show Schitt's Creek too? I think he was a writer on it.

Maybe if you like write the show and like – and it was just so – he was just so good. All of them were so good. I really miss him. Anyways, you should watch it because you're very David Codd and he's wonderful. I just love that. I love that. I love the show. That's because it's super short. So we would just, you know. Oh, you should watch it because you're very David Coded and he's wonderful. I just love that. I love that. I love the Jurassic Clips.

The episodes are super short. So we would just, you know. You know what? It was like a filler episode between stuff we watched. Yeah. I had a situationship, I think, and I watched an episode with him. But I think maybe that's why I'm like turned off by it. And this is a repressed memory that just got brought up. But yeah, I remember we watched an episode together and he like quoted it all the time. like turned off by it and this was a repressed memory that just got brought up but yeah i remember

we watched an episode together and he like quoted it all the time and he did like a katherine o'hara like voice all the time is he on tiktok i have no idea the situation ship is he on tiktok i have no idea you know once it's done like i cut it off and i never look back yeah oh i follow up with that really there's a guy there's a guy that does Moira impressions on TikTok. Is he like skinny blonde? No. No, he's dark hair. He's skinny, but dark hair.

Unless maybe he dyed his hair. I don't know. That would be wild if it's the same person. And he's so – was he good at it? Because he's so good at Moira. He was pretty good, I think. He's like, I can't do it. I'm really bad at impressions sometimes.

But maybe it's him. Oh, my God. We got to track it down. That would be everything. I love that. So you were like turned off by it you're like um at the time i was like not turned off by it but i think post i was like anything that like reminded me of like wanted to hate i guess yeah yeah that's why i was with curb because he always like let's watch a new season of curb but

it's like i was with someone that like was obsessed with curvy enthusiasm and like at the time i was like okay i'll watch it even at the time I like didn't really like find it that funny. But I was like, but maybe I would find it funny now because everyone loves that show. I don't know though. I don't think I would like it, right? He's kind of just like angry all the time, right? Yeah.

I mean, when I started watching it, I had to stop because it was just giving me anxiety. It just, the show is all about when something can go wrong, it will go wrong and then wrong again. And at some point when you realize that that's- But you want to watch it. I just want to watch the last season because I think in the last episode, and then wrong again. And at some point when you realize that that's the show, then. I just want to watch the last season because I think in the last episode they have another like Seinfeld reunion type thing.

You love Seinfeld. And I just like that idea, the reunion. I like Seinfeld with you. I used to watch Seinfeld with someone too, a different person. And I was like, I hate a Seinfeld. It's like Friends too. I think I have like trauma from Friends because my sister and my mom would watch all the time. And I was like, I hated that show growing up because I wanted to watch like Full House.

And I'm like, let's watch Friends. And I was like, I don't want to watch Friends so I think I like hate Friends and I think I'm the only person that hates Friends do you watch it not recently but I did did you like it I liked it at the time yeah I don't like it like if you did Friends trivia with me like I don't know I couldn't even tell you like the characters names I know there's like Ross and Rachel and like everyone else I have no idea and it's just like and Seinfeld was right there at the same time as Friends and I was kind of like and anything New York, you know this about me. Oh, yeah. New York. Even

I was on Cancel. We'll talk about that in a minute. But Brooke was talking about how she loves Sex and City. And Tana's into Sex and City. You have to watch Sex and City. And you know that I want to be with the cool girls. I was like, yes, I'm going to watch it. But I was like, oh, but I never want to be this person. But I'm like, oh, I hate shows in New York. The only one I liked was You. Because it was like You. But other than that, I was like,

I liked it better when they came to LA. Oh, yeah. But anyways, I like your Knuff shirt. Ryan Gosling fan over here. He said Ryan Gosling's the end. He's like, we need to watch SNL.

And I was like, why? He's like, Ryan Gosling's out. And you do like all the skits before they even came on. You're like, oh yeah,

no, wait, watch this one. This one's good. I was like, did you watch this without me and want me to watch it again? The thing that turned me on

on this episode was the Beavis and Butthead skit because I saw a glimpse of it on TikTok. I was like, okay, I gotta watch it again the thing that turned me on on this episode was the bb's and butthead skit because i saw a glimpse of it on tiktok i was like okay i gotta watch it were you a bb's and butthead fan no but it just looks really good did you watch any of it i watched that skit did you think it was funny i thought it was funny i liked when they break character and giggle at themselves yeah i think it's funnier because i'm like oh if you're laughing at yourself then it must be really funny right there's some insight to you in person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like it too. I think people like that too. And I think that's why then it becomes funny. Then it becomes like you can't – you know when you can't control the giggles and then it becomes like one of those things. It's so much better that way. Even if you don't really get the joke, I'm like, I didn't get why it was that funny. Right.

But they were giggling at themselves. I'm like, oh my god, this is hilarious. But you know what I thought is Ryan Gosling did like low-key look so much like him. And I'm like, that's actually kind of crazy. Like I didn't even think there was a prosthetic on his nose. I thought like he kind of looks like him just naturally like that. He has that kind of sharp nose. Yeah.

Kind of everything. I know. And I saw the – oh, I saw the monologue too, the Taylor Swift like outro. Oh, okay. I'm like, that's cute as well. Did she respond, right? I saw on Us Weekly. She responds.

Yeah. What did she say? She said she might perform that version on tour. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So she's in on it. she was having a good time this weekend there's so many angles we can go because there's like pochella taylor swift and people thinking you know whatever and then there's the canceled we have the ryan gosling i didn't even know the lady what's her name emily blunt i didn't know

she was like in oppenheimer yeah she was the wife oppenheimer's wife i think mrs oppenheimer apparently an alcoholic according to the monologue because the monologue was just like, I was drinking beer. And I was like, I didn't even know she was in this. Kind of thought she, maybe this is me being a little bit, I feel like maybe I'm a hater today. I'm trying not to be because I really didn't meditate this morning because I was like, let me just think of what I'm going to say about topics or whatever. This is not one of those things I meditated on. So, but I was like, she kind of like hijacked his monologue a little bit, right? Like it was kind of like it became Barbie and Oppenheimer and I get why, but also like

she's not Oppenheimer. To me, I just think of Killian Murphy, right? Or Cillian Murphy or whatever. So I was like, I didn't even know she was in it. To me, she's the lady that makes fun of the Chili's waitress for being too fat. Like that's how I thought. And I was like, wait, she's kind of like stealing his moment here. You know, this is his Barbie Ken moment.

I don't know. Maybe that's just me being a hit. Maybe it's the patriarchy, the misogyny, the internal misogyny. And there could be in there. I do have the internal misogyny in there sometimes. I think because they're promoting their movie and it's very much like a two-parter, the Fall Guy. Oh, I didn't know.

And also the Barbenheimer connection. I think they're really marketing it that way, this film. I think Emily Blunt is one of those people who should just be a good actress and not marketing the movie do you know what i mean because i think people have that you know there's just certain people that have like a bad taste in people's mouth right don't do the emily bunce one of those people or am i just being like hater because i don't think you have the chili's resentment still i think that has something to do with it i mean i don't think and she's british and i feel like that also oh immediately no yeah that's what it is they come on and they think they're so much better

even with a little more posh like oh no when she's with like john krasinski like they're very cute and like they do a lot of projects together so when they promote together they're very cute and like bounce off of each other because they're married right yeah well and people love them together okay so maybe that's me being a hater i can admit that's what i'm saying i can admit sometimes where i'm like oh like she just i was like oh she's so annoying but i think that's just me being like the hater i don't know because moses is like literally she comes on the screen he's like who's that i was like no idea like i just like i don't want to like even go into it and like oh she's in the movie whatever they literally said her name

too before they literally said emily blunt and you're like who's that like i don't know like they're trying to put them as equal and they're not like he's coming out of barbie movie was not the same as her coming out of open that's what he said he's like you didn't win america's hearts but i think they're pretty equal stardom wise right or no i think so yeah like box office wise i think technically emily blunt probably pulls in more money no what's her big ones i mean Wears Prada, Quiet Place was like really big. One and two. Never heard of any of those. And like Ryan Gosling before Barbie

never really pulled in like money at the box office besides like, I don't know, Crazy Stupid Love, I guess. Probably Notebook. Yeah. I don't even know if that did well in the box office.

Oh, really? But like Post. We'll live for that movie. But like he's done a whole bunch of movies that kind of flop, so. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I never really thought of Ryan Gosling, period, before the Barbie movie. And now we love him. Now we're a stan.

Now we're wearing the Knuff sweatshirt. Moses is the ultimate stan. He's like, let's watch Ryan Gosling. I was like, okay. Well, I'm just trying to be ahead of fashion. This just came out, you know. So I don't know if everyone. We're always so much.

Tick tock, shop. You know, trying to kind of lead the the way i don't even know where you found that i swore i gave it away to posh mark i'm like wait where did you find we had a lot of them we did order like five of them when the movie came out we're like because you remember the ending when you saw the sweatshirt everyone's like that is so cool but not everyone wears them off like it didn't take like a couple of months to yeah literally like that we were over it by the time we got it yeah definitely i don't know i feel like I'm embodying him now in my real life. You can look like Ryan Gosling.

You just need a blonde wig. Yeah. No, I don't like the blonde wig. He hates blonde wigs when I made him big head, not it. If I dye it like he, like he has dark roots

and dye it. Oh, very Zayn. Which one? The hijabi. Oh, okay. I was like Zayn Malik. Like, why do we love Zayn and eat so much?

Like, I actually like, don't know why. I actually went to their Instagrams for the first time forever. I was like Zayn Malik. Like why do we love Zayn and Heath so much? Like I actually like don't know why. I actually went to their Instagrams for the first time forever. I was trying to see. I mean all of the guest house like what's happening at Coachella? Like I don't know what it is. I'm having a Zayn and Heath resurgence. Thanks Remy and Alicia. I don't know.

We used to listen to them like years ago. Like literally when we would drive like long distances. But I literally haven't thought about them. And now like that's all we talk about them. They're on that Zilla Fitness. They look good. They look good. And, you know, I always love when like influencers like can keep it going.

Like they get views, you know, outside of David. I think that's even more impressive. You're so right. Yeah. I applaud that. They were able to really pivot and not a lot of them could. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I think so. And I feel like, yes, they may have like problematic pasts, you know, amongst a dozen. But I'm just saying like I feel like they haven't been in a long time, at least not openly. Yeah. They haven't really made many waves, I guess, since like – Yeah.

Like pandemic era, I guess, right? Because that's when – Right. That's when I last time I heard about – The masks or something and no vaccines. Just hot takes that you don't need to say online. Yeah, totally, totally. Especially with vaccines.

Those are such a thing that people are so polarized with. It's like just don't say it. You don't need to say it online. Just do what you do or don't do what you do. Totally, yeah. Sometimes sharing too much can get you in trouble. Instead of transition. Coming from us. I know. My whole thing is not sharing. Sometimes sharing too much can get you in trouble. Is that a transition? Coming from us.

I know. My whole thing is now sharing. I don't like drama. I mean, I'm like, just a whole drama podcast. I mean, it's fine. As long as I'm not in it, although we are in it this week. And when I say we, you're part of it. Am I?

Yeah, you inserted it. I saw a little Reddit post. I was making – we'll get there. We'll get there. I was trying to make peace no no it was good it was actually really good um but we do have to uh address some things at the top first of all apologies to our audio listeners they didn't like that we diminished their presence apparently there's a lot more of them than i thought there's a lot of audio listeners

including the company who does our ads which we have a really good ad we have a really big ad next week like a mainstream big like we use it all the time app. And they were like, no, you get, like, a lot of downloads, actually. And, like, when I did – I think when CA was doing the release, they wanted to know how many downloads we did. And we got, like, so many, like, audio – I was like, oh, okay. So sorry. So sorry to our audio listeners. Sorry you can't see us, though.

I feel like – anyways, keep listening because I guess the audio is important. And our ad people are like, the audio is important. Just tell them, go to the audio. I was like, okay, sorry. We'll start describing things better. Like, we'll start describing our looks so you can like picture it.

Which maybe is the tea. Like, maybe just picture what we look like because I feel like we'll be hotter that way. That's so true. I feel like I sound hotter for sure. I definitely sound like

just like Elle Woods or something just like super hot. Who do you think you sound like? I think you sound like David from Schitt's Creek. I was going to say that. For our audio listeners, he looks like david you look like him a little bit too i'll take it yeah he's skinny so yeah and tall isn't he kind of tall yeah he looks

like it i think the girl that plays his sister's so tall so it's hard to tell but yeah he's pretty tall yeah so i'll definitely take it you can do a like a little pause every time like to our audio listeners trisha is wearing a pink hat right now holding a microphone with a crop top my belly is showing in case that oh the belly is showing today i don't know what it looks like it looks cute standing up but i always feel like when i sit down it literally just looks like blob at this point no this baby's coming soon it looks very really pretty every time i see you i'm like wow it looks so cute thank you i feel this baby thank you so much i feel like she's coming like literally like could happen today. I really feel

it. I feel the pressure so much. Like it would, she would be like a month early if she came today, but I really feel like she's coming like any day. And it's very possible. Like, yeah, like my sister had her second baby three weeks earlier. So suddenly we realized like the minute May hits, it can happen any day. Oh my God. And she feels it. She has the same

symptoms as the end of the last pregnancy. Yeah, it does same way so i feel like it's pressure and i don't know it feels so real i was just like oh my god it's gonna come but it's not she's not supposed to come for like a month but in my head i think it's like next week we have like five guests filmed back to back this week because i think like we're not gonna have any um time to do i don't know it's so silly we might be live you know filming the water breaks oh my gosh that would be crazy whoever's the guest i'm like take care of mally before the next couple of days upstairs just like bye i've gotta go i'm just thinking it's like a movie i'm ready but anyways um yeah shout out to our audio listeners we we love you and then the second thing i saw is that you kept getting the canceled producer's name wrong.

That's not true. Moses showed me that too. There's no way. What did I say? His name's Alex. I think it's Aaron. I don't think so. Did we fact check it?

Because I'm like a thousand percent it's Alex. Well, I did listen to an episode of Cancel where Tana is talking to someone named Aaron. No. Yeah. Because I still remember

like his name's Alex. No, we need a fact. Someone fact check this. There's no way. Did he change his name maybe? Maybe it's a different one. There's no way I would get it wrong twice.

You need to reach out to Tana for this. Apologies. I know. I personally would have remembered Aaron because it's like Moses and Aaron. Right. Well, I feel like we just said

we never got introduced properly. Not to blame the canceled girls because we love them forever. They can do no wrong. Okay. Apologies to Aaron. Let's hope it's Aaron. Okay.

I don't know if people – I saw a comment where Moses pointed out and I was like, I don't know if that's trolling. But anyways, I'm horrible with names. I always have been. That's why I don't say anything. But I just thought this one was so – anyways, shout out to the Oscars, the Aarons, and the Alex's just in case. Cover all the bases.

Yeah. We need to have more unique names so it's like easy to remember. Like the person I'm going to make up this morning, Apollo. I was like, I'll remember Apollo. We need those names. Alex, Aaron, Oscar, Jimmy. I mean we love them, but these names, it's hard to keep them all straight. They all just sound like boy band names or something.

Shout out. Shout out. Shout out Aaron at Cancelled. Well, should we get into Coachella? Because I feel like that's the hottest and like most silly unserious. We've got an unserious moment. Yeah. First of all, at the top, I really think that you should perform next year because I can really see it.

I think after reacting to your music videos, I'm like, wow, the discography, there's a lot in there. I can crush it for sure. Yeah. And I feel like the performances in general like i'm not a coachella person so maybe i'm just like so off with this but like importance in general seem to be like low-key right they don't do too much some are low-key like doja cat was last night and she had a lot going on oh shit i didn't see doja usually like the head liner like the head head liner has like a lot of like set pieces dancers and stuff but a lot of like the daytime acts they have like it's like more of a simple setup like band you know maybe some graphics on the screen yeah like ice by seemed like killing it with her dance moves but i just

thought hers was very basic yeah like not a good way like big production big production thank you yeah not basic but because she was like i mean she was getting the cheers with her butts and stuff like that like i lived for it and her new songs i loved it but i was like oh i thought it was like – I mean she was getting the cheers with her butts and stuff like that. Like I lived for it in her new songs. I loved it. But I was like, oh, I thought it was like – even Lana, right? She didn't have like big sets. Yeah. Like it was just like her and a backup singer. She did come in on a motorcycle, which is kind of like a big production. And left on a motorcycle.

But – She was getting like kind of like nailed in the media this morning, right? People were saying it wasn't good. But everyone loved it. The stans loved it. But like – The critics, yeah. Critics were saying we don't like this.

I know. I thought she sounded great i mean i watched clips like from the youtube live stream she looked amazing oh my god she looked so good yeah she sounded good i mean she had audio issues but that's not really her fault it's like coachella's fault i guess because yeah nikes kept going in and out but she's still slated there was a lot of grimes had audio issues yeah was it her fault or the festival's fault she hired someone to help her with her dj set like i don't understand dj stuff but like to get the songs like queued up or something like she had someone help her do it and then they messed it up and then she couldn't like fix it in real time so what happened she stopped she kept trying to fix it i guess like i had a dj friend explain it to me first of all i don't know how the djs do it because it sounds crazy.

But like the songs was going like two times fast. Then you had to like do the math to like figure out how much to subtract to slow it down to keep it like going the same pace or whatever. But she like lost track of the math and then she like kind of freaked out. We would fail instantly. Oh my god. Instantaneously. It was math. No, absolutely not.

You would have to go acapella. Oh my god. I had my Christina and burlesque moment. Have you not. No, absolutely not. You would have to go acapella. Oh, I could. I'd have my Christina and Burlesque moment. Have you watched that movie yet? Okay, you need to watch it, but it was a Julian Huff pulls the plug and then she's like, haha, you can't lip sync, and then she's like oh, that would be me. That would be you. Like, I'm ready for my moment.

I'd bring Alan Cumming on stage as my special guest. Yeah, that'd be everything. I love the special guest i missed harry styles at coachella yeah when was that two years maybe two years have you ever seen his performance of coachella yeah i saw clips his little like rainbow sequin jumpsuit and he brings then there's one with pink where he brought lizzo out in pink oh yeah he's everything did you just see his coachella performance yes i love that because i was like typing in Harry Styles' pink and I think it came up to his Coachella

performance. And I was like, oh my God, I would 100% go to Coachella if Harry Styles was there. I love that you're a Harry stan now. I miss it. Did you go to a show in LA? I wish I would have gone to a show in LA. Not the second one. His first one from the first album.

You love Harry the best too, right? Yeah. I loved Harry. I kind of fell off a little bit, but I'll get back on. I was was like a harry okay damn get back on because we need to do like harry cosplay okay love that yeah but i don't think i think everyone's a harry fan but i think it's like people will try to pick someone quirky so it's like justin timber like back in the day before he was like we found out he was full of britney spears like everyone loved justin but they would pick chris kirkpatrick just to be different you know what I mean yeah so like in the One Direction days like who likes Neil Niall Niall no one likes Niall

there were some Niall girls but you're right they were few and far between and Louis also nobody likes Louis girls weren't as frequent I was a semi Louis girl I had a Louis doll and a Harry doll you liked Harry better Liam was my number one at first and then I switched to Harry. But then, this is very specific, but on Tumblr, in the Tumblr days, there was a photo of Louis

in a wetsuit and he had a really good butt and then I became a Louis girl. Just because of his butt? Yeah, that one photo has a skinny butt. He probably has like a little butt. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Okay. Because there's also, he also had like little swim trunks in the summer and I don't remember seeing like a butt on Harry. Do you think – what's the one you like, Louis? Who had the butt? Louis, yes.

Louis. Would he pose with his butt or you just saw it? He was just surfing at the beach. It was a paparazzi photo. Oh, okay. Yeah. Do you think when guys – this is like so different and we're not like outing anybody or anything. But it's like do you think when guys pose like with their butt towards the camera do you think that

means they're gay or do you think they could be straight nowadays i think you can be straight because butts are like very in right now like instagram like a lot of like the fitness like instagram guys that are like straight they all like will clickbait with reels with their butts now like they'll start where like you know it's always like they're getting dressed like they they're in the like little undies or whatever right and then they like struggle quote-unquote struggle to pull their jeans out over their little their butts they're like oh can't get my jeans up over my butt to get views though yeah so the guys are milking the butts these days okay because i was wondering that because i did see someone and i was like that's interesting because like i know like even just privately most of them ever just like show me his butt.

You know what I mean? Which I mean it's like – I guess it's a thing now people like. But it's like even – like he always wears the baggiest jeans so you just can't see anything. So I was just like that's so weird. Not that I'm a butt person per se. I really don't look at butts like that. But now I see it on Instagram and I'm like, oh, interesting because you never see – usually

they like – they pose with their butt. But I guess that makes sense. I'm pretty sure I read something kind of recently where women are starting to get more into men's butts now. I wonder why. What is it? I have no idea. I really have no idea. I don't know.

Because you're not really pushing. Like if you're the girl, you're not really – because I get the butts in general for straight men, gay men because you're pushing into a butt. That makes sense, right? Yeah. Okay. So that's – but like a girl, you're not going to – I guess you just grab onto it. Right.

And guys do like that. Like when you have like – when they're on top of you and their hands are like on their back, sometimes I've had guys like move it to their butt. They want it like in the butt. Like, oh, okay. I think guys do like that. Oh, okay. Well, that's T.

Something I learned. I don't know. You know, I'm really – I was never good at like sex in general. Like I'm just not – because it's like how do you learn to be good at it? So when people would like move my hand, I was like oh i don't know okay but then some guys don't like it because sometimes i would grab a butt and like what and they're like oh no not the butt oh my god okay it's too many things especially with guys there's too many people who like things and don't like things and i'm just like i can't oh yeah i just keep my hands down that is a safe

bet yeah because it is the worst when like all of a sudden you rehand goes somewhere and then they hate it because i yeah i remember one time sudden your hand goes somewhere and then they hate it. Yeah. Because I remember one time I hooked up with someone and then they, like, said beforehand, which I thought was awkward at the time. But then I was like, actually, I'm glad you said it because it was, like, his no was, like, nipples or, like, the – Oh. And I feel like my hands would, like, go there, like, naturally, you know? And there's a lot of people's no. I've been told that a lot. Really?

Yeah, they don't, like – and then some people love it. Yeah. Some people, like, play with them. I'm like, okay. And then he didn't have a problem with the butt stuff, but,. They don't like. And then some people love it. Some people like play with them. Like okay. And then he didn't have a problem with the butt stuff but like you couldn't. Like you could grab it. Like when you grabbed it but nothing like. Like smack it. Like nothing passed

inside. Like you know no slippage. No slippage. Oh. That's confusing too because a lot of straight guys too will like a little bit. So it's like I don't know. Some people and yeah some people are like absolutely not. And then some people are like yeah I like that. I don't know. So it's like, I don't know. Some people, and yeah, some people are like, absolutely not. And then some people are like, yeah, I like that. I don't know.

Like, it's so confusing. Yeah, it is. That's why, maybe it is like the thing to do, just to say it right off the top. Like, yes, no. I appreciate Sacha Baron Cohen. He's very clear. He likes that. He tells you, yeah.

That is wild. God, thank God we don't need Sacha Baron Cohen news today. I mean, but I still like him, though. Isn't that crazy? So this is what I'm talking about. This is the theme of today, the internal misogyny. Is that what it's called? Yeah.

Internal misogyny. Whereas, like, I feel like it's so real. And it's like, I feel that because with Sacha Baron Cohen, it's like, I'm totally on, like, rubbles inside. But I'm just like, I look at you sometimes like, you kind of look like him. You know, there's some things, whatever. And I'm just like, I kind of like him. I don't know why. Maybe it's the bad boy but can you separate the

person from their art you know well i guess i just don't think of him yeah i don't know because i don't like his art and i don't like him as a person so i think i don't know i just think he's hot i guess i like that he's like i don't know i have no idea why i like him i just think he's like hot i've had like so many dreams about him and i'm just like maybe the height maybe the tallness maybe he because he does he's big moses pulling out he has like this big head he's just like a big guy and i don't know he's really odd yeah when you meet him in person he's really it's really odd like the one thing you notice is how big his head is moses has met him first moses knows the sasha baron cohen t the sbct he knows everybody i was like okay i don't know that i've had dreams so much about him lately and it's like

i'll probably get over it because i really don't like anything about him. But I like him for some reason. The other intern was not anything. It was in my head and then it went, oh, Meghan Markle. Did you see her with the cup? Oh, yeah. The polo thing where she told the lady, there's a lady trying to get, she obviously wants to be next to Harry because who would want to be next to Meghan? Whatever. Anyways, maybe you want to be – in this instance, Harry won the Polo Cup. So someone wanted a picture next to Harry and she told a woman like three times to come by her and take a picture and not stand next to Harry. And I was like – like I was so – and I know when I went on the Julia Fox podcast

too, they told me I had internal misogyny because I didn't like Meghan Markle. And I kind of believe it because there's really no reason why I need to dislike her. But I literally found myself like texting my mom because we're both like haters on her for no reason. And I'm just like, oh oh my god this is so annoying like why would you not let her have a picture with Harry and again being up there with the cup she did it this is the second time no one else's wiser

girlfriends are up there and Meghan Markle's like front and center with it and I know she's getting a lot of hate so I'm like maybe I don't want to be on this but they're also doing a Netflix show so maybe they want the controversy but it's the one person that I'm like I guess her and Emily Blunt where I'm just like oh my god this person and it's crazy because I really don't feel like I'm that hard on like am I hard on guys I guess I'm not as hard on guys and celebrity guys influencer guys yes because I know them and

they're awful but I think like celebrity guys like Sacha Baron Cohen who's awful he might be like the David Dobrik of the mainstream and I'm just like love him yeah I think you come around though for the most part like Meghan Markle I I don't know if I love I like her and I think you come around though for the most part like Meghan Markle I I don't know if I love it I like her and I think she got the Rachel's like yeah she got the Rachel's like we're like hate train in the media thing so I think that is also why because I understand how people can like hate her even with Rachel's like where I understand why people didn't like her because you you see like the worst parts of like a highlight reel right like yeah every headline and every like tiktok every video you see like it's just a hate train so you you see the worst parts of someone over and over and over again and that's the impression that you have of someone

but then you have to like always think about like why is this um like media being like promoted so much like what what do people have against her and it's like oh it's like a woman especially she's like a black woman she is um marrying into the royal family and it's like a white man and then the biracial kid there's like all these things that go into it you're like oh like this is why and then you then you see the good stuff of them like i saw their like netflix documentary and then you see like where she came from where she grew up and how she's close with her family and how she likes to give back and you're like wow she's not that bad same with like rachelegler.

I'm like, once you dissect it and you see the good parts of someone, it's like, they can't make me hate you. But what about like Renee Rapp? She's like a hate train, right? But she doesn't have like the adversity against her. Like why do you think she gets like the hate train? Renee? Yeah. You remember when she was like the thing about old people and then there was something else

and there was like this whole thing like for a minute where she was like people were trying to cancel her. I mean, now she's everything because Coachella people live for her but i'm just like saying in general she was getting kind of the hate train treatment kind of but i think she is first there is an element of like i mean not to get too into it but there is an element of like her being like a white blonde girl that lessens it a lot like rachel and megan are both like women of color so it's a little bit different and i think renee too is overall very likable in general like her personality and her humor and she's a lesbian so lesbians are cool

i'm totally agreeing with you like i do see it from that way like maybe that is a reason like a hate train i think she has a trish trend like a trish train but i think in general people like her fair enough point i okay yeah you're right okay then i really need to not hate because i really don't like see it that way i get it now that's why i love you because you do like it does make sense and i'm like maybe that is the narrative of it all but um yeah i think emily bunce the worst though so it's okay it's like not like women i think like the hate train thing specifically like like i said when it's almost like you're marketed to hate someone just because you're you literally see just clips of like things out of context where they just sound terrible and like oh my god this girl sucks but then like right you actually get the full context and then you

see like the good stuff about them more you know okay you're right i like rachel zuckler she's what is she gonna be in that i was like oh i'm so excited others we want her on the podcast i like them make it mark i'll try and get back on that train i don't know i know she's not for everyone she definitely puts a lot of people off but i think the hate train thing specifically is like that's true yeah especially in the british media they really like tore her up so yeah because they were like hating megan for things but then like when kate i feel so bad now i feel guilty oh my god you're right it makes sense like you're just kind of like

a product of like the media like but then i'm like oh i love sasha baron cohen like oh so awful okay my apologies to megan markel and rachel zagler i was so hard on her and megan markel i literally know i literally know i like don't like her for no reason. It's like, you're right. But I just see those like little clips because it's like, you know, people want a picture with like Harry, right? Because he's probably the more famous one, right? Like, wouldn't you rather picture with Harry than Meghan? Or you would rather have Meghan?

I would rather have Meghan, yeah. And she's like the number one show randomly. So I think she might be like more popular right now. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4. New four-piece French toast sticks, bacon or sausage wrap, biscuit or English muffin sandwiches, small hot coffee, and more. Limited time only at participating Wendy's Taxes Extra. What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling

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yeah because even like she read to like kids at the children's hospital like two weeks ago and all the comments were like oh my god she's so fake oh kate middleton has cancer now she's reading to kids who are sick and i'm like she's literally just reading to kids yeah just hating like for no reason yeah it's like one of those things so i feel for her a little bit you want me on board again we're on the neutral train with her that's all i can ask for is the neutral yeah we're fine with her my baby can be reincarnated Meghan Markle 30, 40 years from now. I guess if I'm pregnant then. Or maybe like a grandchild can be. Oh, right, right, right.

Wishing nothing but good health for all of them. They seem to be on the up and up. It seems like King Charles is going to mediate between Harry and William and stuff. So they seem to be okay. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. And I think William and Prince George.

Yeah. The boy. Yeah. they went out to like an event recently too so i think that's a good everything's yeah everything's things seem to be good hunky dory yeah renee rap was at coachella what do you think yes oh she slayed the lesbian right yes i do that um i don't love kasha but i loved kasha at the time i haven't like kept up with kasha but when she was like me like you know that know, that first, those first few songs. Like Up in the Morning, that one. Yeah. Yeah.

I guess I just like those kind of girls. I was just always like, I just like the pretty. Not that she's not pretty, but she was meant to be like grungy. Yeah. It's like Avril Lavigne too, who's gorge, you know. But yeah, I think I always just wanted. Like the alternative kind of. Which is weird.

Yeah. Now I like them like Gwen Stefani and stuff. But I remember even when Gwen Stefani was out, I thought, I was like, oh, she's too tomboy. I liked, like, the Jessica Simpsons, Christina Aguilera, Mariah. Because they were marketed to kind of be, like, the anti-that. Like, the anti-normal pop girl. Like, the, like, pink when she was like, I don't want to be a stupid girl.

I don't want to be Jessica, whatever it was. Tired of being compared to damn Britney Spears. She's so pretty. I think she makes it out of her show now because Britney Spears is getting so much hate. So I think she took that line out. And I think she even apologized for that Stupid Girl song where she, like, was mean to Jessica Simpson, too. She was so mean in that song. But, like, I get it.

I get it because there are – I get the point of it. It was like, you know, I want to be a girl president. I don't need to be shaking my ass next to 50 Cent. Like, I actually lived for that video, though, because I thought she was so pretty in it. Like, I remember thinking, oh, she was, like, so tan and had her long blonde hair. And she had, like, a sickening body. She looked really good. So I remember being like, oh, I kind of like this song.

But, yeah, kind of a mean song. But in general, I mean, it was just the time, too. Totally. I think back then people came for those kind of girls. Yeah. And then it came back around, though, because now it's, like, anyone who's, like, I'm not like the other girls. They're a pick-me.

Yeah. Now you're a pick-me girl. Yeah. You can't win, really. But Renee Rapp, I'm not like the other girls. They're a pick-me. Now you're a pick-me girl. You can't win, really. But Renee Rapp, I thought, slayed Coachella. And I love that they changed the P. Diddy line. I was like, that is ballsy. Well, you kind of have to, right? But did that kind of just stop?

We were talking about it on The Glam this morning. Everyone's just over it. I think the investigation is ongoing. Yeah. I watched a lot of law and crime channel videos about it. Everyone's just like over it? I think the investigation is ongoing. Yeah. I watched a lot of law and crime channel videos about it. Well, one of Diddy's sons, there's a new lawsuit being filed against him. And then I think that once they have enough evidence, something will happen at some time.

Yeah. I feel like something as big as a raid on that level, you don't just like – Crazy. Nothing happens. sometime yeah i feel like something as big as a raid on that level you don't just like crazy nothing happens i heard that like so allegedly don't come from me that like krim kardashian was like on the papers or something as like something they're a lot of celebrities are named just because they went to like the like the parties because even like prince harry is named like in the um suit the suit that was filed by one of diddy's old producers the big one that like started everything um but it was just because he was at one of the parties so he like anyone who was like in the proximity was listed basically but nothing was done besides like i guess going to the oh as

of right now oh i thought it was like something like so serious like she's i don't even know what it would be i don't know what the allegations are something that she was tied into something and i was like oh my god that'd be so crazy but that would be yeah because even like jlo is getting in the mix of it so jlo poor thing we love her though maybe she's getting a hate train unnecessarily she definitely is getting a hate train but that's one where it's like oh my god you're just like so mean so it's like hard to to sympathize right right like at least like you know megan markle's reading to sick kids.

I'm like, okay. Right, right, right. That's true. She's trying. She probably is doing more. That's so funny, though. The Polka thing's funny because it happened once before

where everyone hated on her for being in the middle, like, literally, like, sneaking up there. And then she did it again. And I was like, that's what I'm saying. Like, sometimes I think, like,

either they're trolling or they just don't have, like, PR. Because she has PR people, obviously. Oh, yeah, for sure. So I was like, who's telling her to... I just think she can't control herself. She loves to be up there with the boys. Because she was kissing one of the polo people. And then you could see Harry being like, oh, what's happening here?

I don't know. Anyways. I felt bad for the woman that wanted a picture with Harry. That's what I felt bad. Because I was like, I know I would want that. Oh, it was at Coachella, too. Was it Emma Roberts took a picture with... Someone from Vander what I felt bad because I was like, I know I would want that. Oh, it was at Coachella too. Was it Emma Roberts took a picture with?

Someone from Vanderpump Rules. James Kennedy? What? Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, she's fangirling over. Who's James Kennedy? He's from Vanderpump Rules.

He was like a DJ. He's kind of like an F boy. I don't keep up with like Bravo like that, but that's what I remember of James. And she apologized to his girlfriend. Like, I'm so sorry

to the girlfriend. She was like, that to me is like a real one. She's like, oh, my God, don't ever apologize to me. She's also like someone kind of famous because I went to her page then to see who it was. And it was somebody kind of famous. And she was like, oh, my God, don't apologize to me. Like, she was totally fine with like just Emma and James taking a picture together. So that's why I was like, yeah, if your boyfriend's famous, like Prince Harry, like people are going to want to take photos with him.

You know what I mean? Like, let them just do it. They don't want to stand next to you I don't know how to describe it oh like when we take pictures with people like when we're together

when we take pictures with people that watch us like I always am in the middle you know what I mean like even if it's like does that make sense or no

I guess maybe I shouldn't be in the middle if people take pictures I'm in the middle they take a picture with you and sometimes they're like

you come in too or whatever so it's like you know but you always put me in the middle because they probably you're next to the person that wants the picture right okay wait but whatever that person is that's where you are there was one time gosh who is it i guess in general you put like a girl in the thing but i guess if you want a picture with the guy let's say the guy was famous like you're ryan gosling like no one wants a picture

with me in the middle right is that how i'm trying to say is like i feel like that's happened to me where i've definitely met like male celebrities and like they're with their girlfriend or wife and then they're in the middle which is like fine you don't want to be rude and be like don't be in the picture but you think you would like switch so the celebrity's in the middle because then with emma roberts yeah but then but then it doesn't feel right to the girl that he's with you know know, because suddenly, I don't know. I mean, it's an odd one. Because with Emma Roberts, she just wanted a picture with just James.

So they take a picture together. And then the girlfriend was like so sweet. She's like, because she's, Emma was like apologizing, like, I'm so sorry. And she goes, it's fine. Let's say if we're together, somebody wants a picture with me. I'm not going to move you over to take a picture with them. So they can either take the picture, which however we are, we're together. I'm going to hold you. We're going to take a picture with them so they can either take the picture which however we are we're together i'm gonna hold you we're gonna take a picture with somebody like it's not like i'm not gonna be like okay move over but they could be on the other side of you they can if

that's how they approached us but all i'm saying is like i'm not gonna move you to take a picture with somebody right so go on the go on the side well that's what the girl did with harry she was on his side and then it makes like come here by Well, that's what the girl did with Harry. She was on his side. And then he's like, come here by me. Well, that's, I mean, just let her take a picture and go. That, yeah. But then with Emma and James Kennedy, then the girlfriend, I don't know her name. She is someone. She had a lot of followers.

But then she was like, Emma kind of like signed her to come in. And then she stood next to Emma, which I guess makes sense because you have pictures with your boyfriend. You want a picture with Emma. That makes sense. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, let us know your thoughts if you even followed any of that because it's complicated.

But I guess she knows that her boyfriend's famous. So she's like, obviously, you can take a picture with him. I don't have to be in the picture. And this is Emma Roberts who has a baby and is married or partnered or something. Yeah. Right, right, right. And this girl's like a young, hot Instagram influencer. She's probably like, whatever.

I don't know. I just think it's – but also the lady taking a picture with Harry wasn't like this young thought trying to – you know what I mean? She kind of looked like someone part of the organization or something. So I don't know. Anyways, it was just funny. It's just like a weird interaction. I don't know. I'm very awkward too when it comes to interactions.

I also never know where to stand. So take that for what you will. Just do what you will. Just do what I do. What? Don't take pictures? I tell everyone that story because I think when Tana was here, she was talking about how like McCall, like people ask him to take pictures and she's like, yeah, he will.

And it's like, I'm like, you can take, you should take pictures of people. Like you're online, you're on the podcast. Yeah, but that's just my choice. Okay. You're fine with your choice. Whatever you want to do. I've met every celebrity you can imagine in hollywood i don't have one picture with anyone well you're weird that's why i'm because like who

wouldn't want to like all the people you know i'm like take a picture people like do that picture huh what am i gonna do with that picture show it proof exactly proof proceeds timeline there was someone i think it was ross lynch i think but he was saying that like now when people come up to him for like a photo he'll ask them like why like why do you want a photo which i think is like i'm like just take the photo right like isn't that more work than like having a whole discourse like why do you want the photo like what are you gonna do with it like just take it that's faster no totally but i get what he's saying because like where's it gonna end up i get what it is like it could end up somewhere weird but it is awkward that's so awkward like to say that. Like me,

I have to say yes, no matter – like even if I'm like whatever. Even if I'm with my daughter, I always say if I'm with my daughter, especially if I'm alone with her, I'm like, oh, don't ask for a picture because like I don't want to like turn from her. But it's like I still say yes because it's so freaking awkward to be like, no, why? What do you – like especially like Rosalind's like no shade, but it's like, you know, you should – like me too. You should be appreciative of anyone who wants to come up to you. You know what I mean? We were talking about that this morning too.

I think in Glam he was saying that Courtney Love, like, refused a picture with him. And I was like, but you would think, like, she's huge. She's popular. But you think she'd just be – it's not like Britney Spears where everyone wants a picture with her. But Ross Lynch, I guess he was in the Troye Sivan video. So he's – On the up and up. Yeah.

I mean, you know, whatever. That's, you know – I guess you're right. Whatever people up yeah i mean you know whatever that's you know i guess you're right whatever people's boundaries are you know respect those but it is awkward i think for sure that kind of reminds me um back to coachella i let we keep like jake shane our good friend jake shane we love jake I think. I love him too. Just because he's friends with David. Everyone's friends with David at this point. I know. We would have to hate everyone.

We'd have to hate everyone. And at this point, we can't do that. So fine. As long as we're separated one degree. He was like, I guess he's a big Swifty. I think maybe that's why I'm like, I actually really like him now, especially. Because we have all the same faves. So I'm like, yeah.

I feel like you always liked him. He's very me coded, think or i'm i'm him coded or he's really wow because we have i don't know every time i see him i'm like uh this makes sense you always liked him i think our first episode you mentioned him yeah and i was like okay yeah wait what did you mention him for in the first episode he was nominated for a streamy i think and i was quizzing you on if you knew the street like the people who were nominated you said like octopus lover or something and i was like which is great now i know both of his names i know octopus lover and jade shade yes he's everywhere he was at coachella and he was like right behind taylor swift and like he loves her

obviously and like he really wanted to go to get a photo with her and then he just like froze and there's literally photos of him well it's video of taylor and travis but he's like in the background and you can literally see his face like so gagged and like trying to process and and his friends trying to like push him because they're literally like a person away like taylor's here he's right here and his friend's trying to like push him to go and he couldn't he was just too good he should have been smiling knowing that people are gonna take photos of her i think he was too bad he couldn't process with her like hey like so it looks like you're like really with her. I think that would have been me though too.

I think I would have been too gagged. To like not expect her. It's different when you're expecting it. Like every time I met her, I was like prepared. Like I had like days to mentally prepare and like plan what I'm going to say. And like, you know, have my little lines or whatever. Right. But to be gagged and surprised with her, it's like, oh my God.

So if she's sitting in front of you, you would be shook i feel like you would especially in a big crowd like that and like there's loud noise and stuff it's not like you can really like go up and like say hi like introduce yourself you know right but she was taking photos with people like theresa judice you know her oh yeah random yeah that was weird did you tell close the bodyguard was to them yeah like literally just like staring at them, like making out or whatever. Maybe that's why he was so terrified to walk up to her. That's true. That security guard was wild.

Like could you imagine having a security guard like literally just like standing right there looking at you like that? That's got to be so stressful though. Because like to be that security guard and like, oh my God, there's so many people, you know? Because I think after the Super Bowl when they're in Vegas, like they went to a night club too. And it was like the same situation, like just packed could see like the body like the bodyguard having to see

like scan the room to look at every single person i do the worst bodyguard i'm too add that i'd be like um you would be like good because you would like survey but then at the same time yeah it's like too much happening yeah whenever i get distracted something would happen and then it'd be a whole oh yeah security guards i think in general too they have like it just tough like too, they have, like, it just tough, like, canceled, like, all these shows, they just don't know how to, they don't, I think they kind of don't know, you know, they're kind of too shook when something does happen because they have to be on alert of everything, so when something goes down, they're like,

they're looking at so many other things they can't possibly grab, like, you know, because you always see, like, fans being on the stage, Chappelle, David, was it David Chappelle, like, someone got on stage, basically it was a knife or something, and I'm like, how did they get on Hollywood Bowl all past that past that security like you know about that yeah yeah he had like personal security venue security is very different from like personal because like venue security they literally post like um like when taylor's doing the air store i almost did

it because they post like an ad like because they need people to go out and do it so people like random people can go like work it you know we're gonna apply i kind of wanted to because i saw a lot of people on twitter doing that because you couldn't afford and then all of a sudden you're like you know front row so oh my god yeah but then if someone goes on stage what do you do yeah that's that's crazy actually you'll protect taylor with your life that's true yeah i would because her life is more important than mine like she affects more people than me and then plus like I would go down

in history you know what I mean and then she would donate to like my family and stuff too like she would take care of them for the rest of their lives

okay yeah you would jump in front of a bullet for her yeah I would wow that's amazing yeah

shout out Taylor hire Oscar that's what I'm saying like I always think he'll leave me for someone else and i'm like it'd probably be like taylor so i think the canceled girls or something influencers will be like oh we need oscar for sure but i also think like taylor so i was like okay you can go that one i'd be like yeah go grow go do that one i don't know

if i could handle it though i don't know because then like i already love taylor like personally but then even like working in entertainment when i have to cover Taylor a lot like I'm like oh my god why they'll make me work specifically for Taylor events like even against my will sometimes wait why don't you like the Super Bowl I didn't want to work the Super Bowl but I had to because of Taylor but you don't want to no like I would like to see the you know the little videos in my own free time but it's like I have to really yeah oh it's like my dream I Donny Osmond's like PR person is like my dream she like does like his social media form and i was like ah she gets like follow him everywhere he goes when you mix something you love with work it will automatically just drain drain away yeah i love what i do i think it's a little different i mean like if you had to work

tomorrow with sasha boron coin and and he would be not nice to you and be like oh i have so many good stories though i would love the experiences for my tell-all book you know what i mean it's just like oh this is what happened no one hires me ever again well you can make one up for you know when you were in the titanic he was the next one yeah me and sasha barricone wait before i forget this has been in my side you don't have to eat this now but i got you amc ready to eat popcorn. My boyfriend's going to die. My boyfriend loves popcorn, especially the AMC popcorn. It tastes just like it. Okay, I didn't see it says up in the corner to warm up fresh.

I was just eating it out of the bag. But I mean, it tastes good. It literally tastes like the popcorn if you were to leave it in the bucket for like a day. Where the heck did you get this? They just came out. Shout out Moses for finding it at Ralph's. It just came out. My mom texted me on Saturday morning and I texted Moses to like go to the grocery store and get this.

And it's so good. I have like a bag upstairs. I literally bought would you buy four bags? I was like I need all these. Yeah, there were only five. Like there was just five bags. Anyways, if you need a snack. I had no idea this existed.

I mean you can also like just eat it but it does say heat and eat. It says to put it in a bowl and heat because it does taste just like it. Wow.

But I didn't heat it up and literally I said it before I even saw that. I was like oh, it's just not warm like the popcorn and then I was like oh, if you heat it up it'd probably be good but it's already popped ready to I was like, oh, it's just not warm like the popcorn. And then I was like, oh, if you heat it up, it'd probably be good.

But it's already popped, ready to go. You get it in the chip aisle, not the popcorn aisle because most of it's in the popcorn aisle. I don't see it. If we have a snack, that should be the Just Trish snack. Popcorn? Your pink popcorn. Bring it back. The glitter popcorn?

That's actually everything because people always ask. And I'm like, everyone has popcorn now. Like Kelly Clarkson, the D'Amelio's. Like everyone has popcorn or chips or whatever. But I would – yeah, I would love a popcorn. Pink glitter popcorn would be a slay. Yeah. I feel like if you brought that back now, people would live for it.

Yeah. The timing is everything. Now I feel like people would really be on board. We just have pink popcorn as we're snacking. We'll put that here for a little advertisement for a minute. It's not advertised, but there it is. AMC popcorn. I thought of you with it. Yeah. You're not have you never been to coachella right no i've never been it's not really my thing seeing it this year um well this year actually

too it was like the slowest ticket sales of any coachella it kind of fell off a little bit but there were a lot of good like stage like performance moments that i think made it like super relevant what was your fave i don't know i didn't see anything really um there was a lot of like collabs like renee and kesha no doubt brought olivia rodrigo lana del rey brought billy eilish um my fave i guess was chapel rowan is my like hyper fixation right now i didn't see her was she by herself she performed by herself yeah at the same time as sabrina carpenter um so a lot of people were torn oh no why would they do that why do they have people even sabrina was pissed because she said she wanted to see chapel and we love chapel we gotta get her on did you ever see the clip of her talking about me yes the nylon took off after you told me about her i started like

now she comes up everywhere because i wore the bridgerton wig last week someone's like chapel brown and i was like yeah and i was like wait what so now i like did a deep dive and i'm like now i kind of love her and i want her on the podcast. I know. I love her too. Should we reach out? Yeah. Someone said that they are friends with someone who knows her and they were going to reach out for us. So. Shout out Chapel Rowan. I need to see her performance. I need to see her Coachella one. It was really good. What song did she sing? Sing a song. H-O-T-T-O-G-O. You can take me hot to go. Oh, I was like, what does that spell?

Oh, I like that. H-O-T-T-O-G-O And she has a little dance that she does. It goes H-O-T-T-O-G-O I know it's and she has another song that they like call

Feminine Nominon. Oh, I like that. It's a feminine nominon. What's it about? Feminism? She said a man couldn't – the way she describes it, it's about a man not making her cum, so she went to the ladies instead. Wait, is she lesbian?

She's lesbian, yeah. We love – we were just saying. That's why lesbians were the theme of Coachella. They run the world. They really did. I live. And then with Renee Rapp, too, she had the cast of The L Word introduce her, which was so iconic. Oh, my God. I love Renee Rapp, too, now. Same. I live for – the les Renee Rap too, she had the cast of The L Word introduce her. Oh my God. Which was like so iconic.

I love Renee Rap too now. Same. I live for like the lesbians. Like that's got to be our new like ML. Like we need lesbian friends. Lesbian audience only. Yes, yes, yes. Sorry girls and gays.

Well, girls fine. But just the gay ones. Lesbians do kind of everything. Yeah. They're having their moment, which is great. Yes. Because for so long, I feel like they were like the most oppressed, like even the gay guys are like oh lesbians are just a lot you know what i mean and now it's like and there's like so much well now like there's much more like

gay like gay men media i guess you know like a lot of gay like shows even like i guess the last the last of us season two will be more lesbian coded but the first one was kind of more gay coded, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like now there's more like lesbian media, more lesbian artists. So. Yeah. It's pretty awesome. We need more representation because I think you think of like lesbians like for so long you had a stereotypical lesbian. Yeah.

Like in the producers they have one lesbian and she's like so like keep it gay, keep it gay, keep it gay. And I was like why did they make her so like butch? You know what I mean? Like it's like that's all. But that's what you think of when people think of lesbians. Oh, lesbian haircut, lesbian. It's like, lesbians come in all shapes and sizes, and they're beautiful, all of them.

Uh-huh. Very Glee, too. Glee was actually kind of on the forefront with, like, Brittany and Santana. Weren't they lesbians? Or were they bi? Because they were also dating, like, Puck and – Oh, you're right. You're right.

I think Brittany was lesbian, and maybe Santana was bi. Full on? I think. Santana definitely dated. Full on? I think. I don't remember. Santana definitely dated like boys too. But maybe you're right. I think Britney only dated Santana. Okay.

I think. I don't know. I kind of have a vague Gleek recollection. Glee is traumatizing. Every time I see that, I was like Mr. Shoe and every – like why was he performing with those students? Like that was so weird. Like don't –

They were like songs that were all about like sex and stuff. Yeah. Like for what? No. Ew. One guess I can that were all about, like, sex and stuff. Yeah. Like, for what? No. Ew. One guess I can guarantee. You know what? That's the ultimate.

Okay, why does he get a hate train? Talking about why people get, why does Matthew Morrison get such a hate train? He's a white, straight male. Oh, why does he get a hate train? Yeah. Because his character sucked.

I feel like he got maybe an unfair hate train. I'm on that hate train. Don't get me wrong. I don't like Matthew Morrison, but, like, why did we start hating him? Because his character sucked. I mean, it's, like, a lot of people's characters suck. I think so.

And, like, there was nothing else to, like, really separate him from the character. You know what I mean? Like, Lea Michele, too. Like, there's such a thin line between Lea and Rachel Berry. So, I feel like that's another one where line between leah and rachel berry so i feel like that's another one where it's like oh leo said some racist right that was her thing and like she was a terrible character too so it's like oh the combination but i feel like matthew morrison didn't do anything horrible in his personal life i guess but i don't know anything

about him other than like what i've seen yeah but he was getting hate right after he did like the grinch and everyone's like oh my my God, Matthew Morrison, like trigger warning. I was just like, Jesus, like everyone just hates him in everything he does. Like it was not even Glee. Maybe it's like a strawberry blonde thing too. He kind of gives like Ethan Slater vibes a little bit, right? They have the same hair color. I can see it, I guess.

Don't slander Ethan Slater like that though, because I love Ethan Slater. Matthew Morrison, absolutely not. He's one person I'll guarantee will never be on this podcast. I'll have Sasha Baron Cohen on before him. I'll have Emily Blunt on before him. I'll have Sacha Baron Cohen on before him. I'll have Emily Blunt on before him. Matthew Morrison is where I draw the line for sure. Which is weird because I

love theater boys too. I love people who sing and I just not him. Not him at all. Does not pass the vibe check. But which house would you have been at at Coachella? Would you have been at the guest house or the trip and tart house? Do you see any of them? Did you see any of the behind the scenes of these? I was invested in both.

That's why I went to see everybody that was at all of them. That's a good question. Wasn't – Tana was at the tart one, right? So I think tart. Because Tana's there. I agree. I always think it's so funny when I see her at these like influencer houses because to me she's like such a – she's like the influencer, right?

Like to me she's like the biggest. Like one of these, like, influencer houses. Because to me, she's, like, such a – she's, like, the influencer, right? Like, to me, she's, like, the biggest. Like, one of the – well, I guess David is, too, I guess. But it's always fun to me because I'm always like, she doesn't – she'll go with Trippin' with Tartt. You know what I mean? Because to me, I always thought they were, like, newer influencers, right? Up and coming. But they had, like, Jeffree Star and stuff on their trips.

But, like, five years ago. Yeah. But Jeffree was still, I think, probably the biggest. But that was random. And I think it was random for Jeffree, too. Because everyone everyone's like you can just afford to go on these trips yourself. So that was like weird. I think he just wanted to be in the mix and have some – Be a part of it.

Because that was the cool thing to do. Yeah, I think he did for sure. I saw him on TikTok Live like he was cooking in his kitchen or something this weekend. I would – some power to me sometimes is a cut. I would love to like talk to him, like have him on the podcast. But I'm just also like is that a bad idea? you know i don't know i feel like was i falling out bad i don't know i sometimes i don't remember either like this is what i'm saying i'm like wait sometimes i forget i even i forget i remember but you know sometimes you forget the severity

of something totally yeah yeah i don't know either like is it is it like inviting like like like to me it wasn't even toxic. So I'm like is this – but I'm like God, I would like to know like what his life is like now in like Wyoming or is – Yeah. Are we just past that point? I don't know. I mean me and Shane are past that point. But I feel like me and Jeffrey, I don't know.

But maybe by association, the loyalty. Totally because there's definitely some I could never, ever see happening again. Which ones? Like Shane, David, Natalie, anyone. Like there's some vlogs, like a Todd even. Like there's some vlogs. I think Todd would come on. You think?

Yeah, because he was like nice to me recently. Remember? Was it Olivia? Who was it? Someone said, oh, they saw Todd. Maybe it was just the. You showed her. Oh, yeah.

The TikToker. Oh, yeah. And they're like, love Trish. And they're like, people's choice awards or something. Yeah. I think Zayane said that oh well let's have him on come on unfiltered pretty we have seven people here like literally eight like just talking just pretty x unfiltered oh my god it would be it would literally be seven if it was

moses you me remy alicia zane that's seven people we'd be that'd be the most but people do that that's every podcast now it's like let's have 10 people talking at once that be – that would be the most – but people do that. That's every podcast now. It's like let's have 10 people talking at once. That's – I thought it would be really easy. If you think about it, like you only talk for like 10 minutes of like a two-hour podcast because everyone's talking. And you wouldn't have to prep that much either because like you can just rely on everyone else to keep things moving. I guess that's why people do it.

I know. It's easy. There's like no prep. It's just like – Show up. But get prep because it's good and it can help prevent HIV. We love that. I love – I love – anyways, anyways.

We just love that. Like where was it? I think it was Trixie or somebody was talking about it. And it's just like normalizing like STDs and not making it seem like so scary and like this, like this. Like I love it because I think the more information people have about it, the better. And like I feel like PrEP is something people don't talk about. And I feel like it's like something I knew about for so long from people.

And like people take it. And it's like – it's like lowering the cases of like AIDS and stuff like that. And like HIV. It's like so good, you know, because HIV is not AIDS. It's not the same thing. It's like so if you have it, you can like prevent from spreading it. So I think it's just good to know. Anyways, check out PrEP.

I think you can get it for free somewhere, right? I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. And there's I think they advertise it a lot these days too. I get a lot of Instagram ads about it. Really? Yeah.

Oh, I never see it. Like Drag Race. Yeah. I was going to say Drag Queens queens now like they'll i think this one brand has drag queens like promoting it like i think maybe i want to say really manila is on some like some of the queens i've been putting on their instagram like they'll do instagram ads for it i never see i thought they should have that i'm like drag race because they talk about um like just hiv awareness a lot and i was like why don't they have ads for like that kind of stuff? You know what I mean? Cause it is so like, it's insightful. And it's so like, it is very just, it's just like more conversational. It's not like as shocking. Like I love Plain Jane's response where it's like, yes, Bill. You know, like, and I was like,

I love it because it's kind of whatever. Anyways, I think it's great. I didn't know about PrEP until a couple of years ago. And I was just like, that's amazing. That's great. Everyone should be on it. What were we talking about though before that Coachella just going back to that speaking of prep James Charles is also at Coachella nothing to do with each other we don't know James is on prep don't don't know it's fine well it did bring me back though well first of all okay he was promoting his second single at Coachella, which I thought was bold. It's definitely bold to film like a TikTok singing your song in the middle of a field. Like someone's trying to get a churro and here's James Charles singing a song.

Oh, see, this is why I'm so biased against James. You know, like everything I do, again, I'm like that hater. Like I'll just hate on everything because it's just like whatever. But if I didn't, if I wasn't just a natural born hater about him, I would think that's a slay. I was kind of like, that's kind of everything. Cause I saw like behind the scenes of him, it's just like one camera person and him just like crushing it.

Like, you know, and I was like, that's kind of everything. But of course me being like, oh, James. But unbiased, like if I didn't know about his past or anything like that, I'd be like, oh, that's kind of cute. I don't know if I would. I don't know if I would. I think it's kind of. You don't love?

I like the song too just because it's like it's in Coachella and there's like actual like artists on the stage and then you're all the way in the back filming and literally there's like the background is people like trying to eat a churro that's why it's a sleigh though you're like I should be up there too I should be I'm here with everybody like I love that I think that's everything okay kudos um but it did bring me back though to like the 2019 Coachella because I remember that. I think that's everything. Okay, tea. Okay, kudos. Kudos, mom. Kudos, Bill. But it did bring me back, though, to like the 2019 Coachella because I remember that so vividly. And I was like – because this one was pretty tame.

You know, like yes, there was like big artist moments. But 2019 Coachella, that is when everything happened. Wait, what happened to 2019 Coachella? That was the sugar bear hair gummy incident with Tati. That was the inciting incident. And then that's when James also was trying to hook up with that guy Gage Gomez, a straight guy who James said was leading him on and stuff.

That whole controversy was wild. That was the time. I kind of don't remember that. I think you don't remember that because I think it was in 2019 when you tried to go. It's when I tried to go and I ended up in the Vlog Squad house and I was dumped somewhere afterwards and it was a low. It's when I tried to go and I ended up in the Vlog Squad house and I was dumped somewhere afterwards

and it was a low, it was a very low point. But Skinny and Snatch, I should, I never gave you the photo. I'm going to put them in the shared album. My Skinny, Snatch, Coachella.

And literally, it's just me at this house. I don't even know whose house it was. It's me and like 20 gays around me and it's just me, which I live.

But also, I'm like, what was I doing? I was so skinny. It was just so weird. I never made it to the actual festival. I was just like, yeah, that's right. It was 2019. I doing I was so skinny like it was just like so weird I never made it to the actual festival I was just like

yeah that's right it was 2019 okay I was there shout out 2019 you were a part of it somehow I was very outside of it I remember just being

dropped off at a motel six at like 5am and it was just like really sketchy and it was a whole thing but oh my god we live for that

yeah I wish you could have like really experienced what it was like though. Like as a consumer of like YouTube videos. Yeah. It was crazy. Like if we had this podcast in 2019 with all that would happen, we would have to do like emergency like videos. Yeah.

I think about that. Like when we first started, it seemed to be a lot of drama happening. And I was like, oh my God, we got to do this. I mean, I'm totally down. If something ever like breaks crazy, would we? I don't don't know at the same time like i guess i can wait till monday like what can't wait you know what i mean but that was such a saga because it just like constantly had developments like it began with the sugar bear hair like james had to promote the sugar bear hair gummies because he wanted the vip like wristbands and he wanted the golf cart and

then tati like subtweeted or something because that's when she had her halo beauty hair vitamins. That's how it all started. You remember that? I remember that. Moses knows. Wow. What? You don't remember anything in YouTube.

You're like, well, I didn't know David Dobrik, but you remember sugar pear hair? No. If, if you know about the time. Yeah.

If you know, you know. But 2019 was David's year too. So you know, sugar pear hair, but you don't know about David Dobrik. It's like history. It's like very historical. Cause it's like the, you know, it's like the first brick, too. So you know Sugar Ray Harp was shown on David Dobrik. It's like history. It's very historical.

Because it's like the first brick at Stonewall. You know? It's like, what's the first thing? Wait, so how old was James in 2019? Good question. Maybe 1920, maybe? I don't even know. I have no idea.

I think of him as forever, like 20. But I don't know. He's 24. He was born in 99. So he was 20. He was 20 at the time? Yeah. And how old. I have no idea. I think of him as forever like 20, but I don't know. He's 24. He was born in 99. So he was 20. He was 20 at the time? Yeah. And how old was Hatsy at the time?

I have no idea. Like older. Yeah. Like in her 30s? Yeah. Like kind of hindsight. Like why was she so impressed about him promoting Sugar Bear Hair? Like girl, are you giving him Coachella VIP?

Are you giving him a stake ownership in the company? Like this is a 20-year-old getting free time for Coachella. Like, I'll promote another podcast. I don't care. You do promote pretty on the filter every day. Yeah. Like, I'll do anything. I'll promote someone else who loves water.

Like, I don't care. I'll throw anybody on the bus. Like, whatever. Just give me those VIPs. And he's 20. And she was so pressed about it. I think. And I'm sorry if you're like, we were friends.

Also, red flag. If you're 30-something and you're like, were friends also red flag if you're 30 something and you're like my really good friend 20 year old James I think they had like a mentorship kind of thing like she helped him like you know get established so it was kind of like that kind of you don't own him just because you helped him get established as long as he confirmed to only what she wants

and says yeah that seems a little bit like the power dynamic that's not fair that's like that's what I'm saying it's like you don't own that person just because you help them like that's that's wild to me actually thinking about this now i might be team james in this situation especially since such shit about the birthday party by him saying like oh why would you say this at my birthday party and stuff like that's like okay so you knew this stuff beforehand and you're still like this is my friend this is my this person i'm mentoring and i'm how dare it's like what you're a weird lady you're still being friends with this person and you're like I don't know this is what 20 year olds talk about

they talk about fellatio at your birthday party you know like I'm like now thinking about it and my clear mind like maybe she was the weirdo making such a big deal about this to like a 20 year old because even in our situation stuff and we're in how about upcoming like you know about the Brittany and Tina it's like even me being 35 and them being 25, I'm like, I just see it so differently. So it's like, how, and like, in a different, in a good way. But it's like, she, how can she not? Why did, anyways, team James on this one before. I mean, the other stuff, wild.

I don't know, but. I guess you're right. I don't, I don't know. I'm trying to, like, go back in time to think about, like, contextuallyually why was it like, oh, yeah, screw James. But I don't know now. Oh, my God. Were you on Tati's side? I was on whoever had the latest video.

I was a flip-flopper. You know what I mean? I was like, whoever had the most convincing argument, Tati would post, and I was like, yeah, screw that guy. And then James would post, and I'm like, you know what? You're right, James. And then it would go back. Really? We should do a Patreon reacting to the lore.

I think so, too. We need to do a deep dive i need to get receipts i want to see the timelines i need to see everything happening because i'm really starting like think maybe people like james got a bad rap on this one oh i do remember this like because at the same time too um because this is all at coachella so like the gage gomez like james charles situation was like the same time there was like a video of someone getting blown in the ferris wheel like you could see the silhouette um and then there's like a video of it everyone thought it was james and gage a straight guy for some reason it was like people just ran with it and i think everyone believed that that's what's so toxic right like the hate train toxic gossip train right Okay. It's like once you're on that hate train, it's like, oh, let's just like this random

people. It could be a hetero couple for all we know. Like, first of all, if you're doing that stuff in public, I think you're nasty. I don't care what anyone says. When people are like, what's the wildest place you had sex? I'm like, if you're saying you did it in like a Ferris wheel where there's like children, you're nasty. Like that's disgusting.

Coachella, I get it. There's no children or whatever, but still it's like nasty. Other people are there. But I think that is the worst part about it is because then people just start hating on everything it's like oh that was james that was this guy you know whatever it's like and ultimately if it was him and that guy i mean the guy may not be completely straight you know what i mean it's like he did say he was straight and then he like said that james was like really pressuring him to like hook up and stuff and that like he would like kick him out of the house they were staying at or something there was all

this stuff going on i forget the exact like allegations but i just remember vividly because then et this was when i was boots on the ground influencer journalism really yeah we try to interview gage gomez but then he wanted money for us to interview him like we don't pay people to do interviews because yeah that's news you know i think that's very sus when people ask for money especially like you're trying to raise awareness for your story and why do you need money? Uh-huh. So it was all just like a crazy time. And then that's how everything kind of like spiraled after that.

It was just like one thing after another. And then I think it was like the bi sister and then it all happened after that. Right. And definitely the stuff – because we already know. The reason I don't like him is he already admitted to like, you know, not checking people's ages and then obviously it was minors he was talking to. I think that's like the main thing. Because sometimes like – here's the thing. Like sometimes you don't know, right? Unless someone's like, hey, I not checking people's ages and they're obviously, it was minors she was talking to. I think that's like the main thing. Cause sometimes like, here's the thing, like sometimes

you don't know, right? Unless someone's like, hey, I'm straight by the way. You know, like that's not always like, if he wasn't checking their ages, he might not be checking their sexuality. You know what I mean? So sometimes you don't know. I always think that just in general in the world, like how guys hit on girls. How do they know they're not lesbians or, you know, a guy hitting on guys? Like, how do you know? You just don't know, you know, until you know, and you can kind of feel it, but maybe you don't or whatever. So I get that, that especially when you're young it could be like kind of hard to like tell unless someone straight up is like I'm straight I'm not interested in guys but you know I have seen parts too where we're like we talked about this like even like David and

you're not saying that they're flirting not saying that but I'm just saying like sometimes you don't know like sometimes I would be or your straight friend for instance you know the one that was I mean the lines seem blurry you know what I mean where it's like even even some people don't know right some people don't know until later on in life, too. They're like, oh, maybe, maybe I am. I don't know. Or they find someone they like. I know that's like, I think with a lot of like girls I know that are like considering

themselves like pansexual. They meet someone that maybe they don't consider they would have been lesbian for, but they meet someone and they connect. It's like, oh, maybe this is a good route for me. But when I consider myself, anyways. I think the sexuality part is a little bit minor. Unless, again, unless they said,

like, I'm straight, stop hitting on me or something. And unless they're minors. T, T, T, T, T. And that's the reason why I'm like,

James, no. You know, like, you need to ask the age. The age is, like, the first thing. Before sexuality, let's ask the age. You know what I mean?

And then we'll figure out the rest. And it's funny, too, because his song, his second single, is all about, like, getting led on again. And I'm like, oh, it did really give me uh 2019 vibes you know like the heartbreak of being led on by a straight guy i needed echo chela yeah was he in front of the ferris wheel

no but that would have been everything that's what you should have done right symbolism what was the what was the lines i i read i heard the song it was kind of good i forget what the line i just know the gist was like being loud like Like, you told me you loved me and you didn't let me on. Did he say that? Yeah. He's like, you said I was beautiful. And I was like – or pretty, I think, was the line. And I was just like, that's what I'm saying.

Like, if a guy tells you you're pretty, you would assume he's kind of into you romantically, right? I guess so, yeah. If that's real. I don't know. It could be just a lyric, too. Who knows? I don't know. But I'm not trying to defend James.

Maybe just a way for a guy to be like – like, they're not interested in him or they get turned off by him. They're like, sorry, I'm straight trying to defend James. Maybe just a way for a guy to be like, they're not interested in him or they get turned off by him. They're like, sorry, I'm straight. That's true. I've had guys tell me they were gay and I was like, is it just because you don't want to be with me? And it's like after we hooked up,

I was like, okay, maybe they were gay. Who knows? Maybe they were just being honest and I couldn't handle it. It could be reverse. Be like, actually, I'm straight. I was thinking though though, like, this is the second single from James and it's, like, another

slow, like, Demi Lovato song. I almost want him and JoJo to do a song swap. Like, whatever the third single is, swap with a JoJo song and then James gets a bop and then JoJo gets an emotional song and then I think we would, like, even things out a little bit. I feel like it would do wonders for both of them. They should also swap styles, I feel. You know what I mean? I feel like they almost have similar styles out a little bit. I feel like it would do wonders for both of them. They should also swap styles, I feel.

You know what I mean? I feel like they almost have similar styles. A little bit, but I feel like, I feel like he could do good in the glitter. It's giving him an Adam Lambert moment. And I feel like she would do good in like chaps. You know what I mean? I feel like she could look,

was she at Coachella? I didn't see her. No, she went to Miami. She was performing in Miami or somewhere in Florida. I think i saw that she was performing karma but she looked like her old jojo self old jojo yeah she still had the eye thing but she had white and like yeah she was like sparkly rainbow jojo jojo if you want a birkin that's the first thing i thought she was back in the white and rainbow i was like okay yeah she's going back to her good girl we'll and david what you're forgiving him what if he back to her good girl. We'll forgive you if you buy the book.

And David, you're forgiving him what? If he got to go to his party or whatever you were saying? He said he would go. If he asked me on a date. Yeah. Just kidding. Hypocritical. My boyfriend's like. I know.

If he listens to this podcast, he's probably like, what? I think he's just used to my little antics at this point. Same. I think that too. I always think that. I feel like I've chilled. I haven't been like obsessed with like a celebrity like the weekend in a while. Oh, yeah.

So I feel like I haven't had like a, oh my God, that guy is so hot phase. Except for Sasha Baron Cohen today. I have a weird one with that. Yeah, that is weird lately. I don't even talk about it to Moses because I'm like, I don't know. It's kind of weird. What's his name? Trader's guy.

Oh, Alan Cumming. Alan Cumming. I do love him. I know. Almost to the point where I'm like, maybe I shouldn't be on the Traders, I feel like. Just in case. Oh, man. He's just – he's so gorgeous. I do love him. I know. Almost the point where I'm like, maybe I shouldn't be on the Traders, I feel like. Oh, man. He's just... He's so gorge. I just love him. He's my favorite. I do. I actually was like watching

him the other day in like Cabaret and I was like playing it on my phone. I just really love him. Oh, I want him on so bad. I wonder if he's with CAA. Just always ask everybody. Be like, can he come on? I love him. I don't know who I love more at this point. Alan Cumming or Todd. Probably Alan Cumming. Because that's where can he come on? I love him. I don't know who I love more at this point, Alan Cumming or Sasha. Bye, Alan Cumming. Because Sasha Mary Cohen is awful.

But we love him. Yeah, at least Alan Cumming's unproblematic as far as we know. Yeah, I think so. I think he's been unproblematic his whole life. Yeah. We love to see. So shout out, Alan Cumming. Shout out.

Traitor season three. Yeah. I would love to talk to JoJo. I could tell her next year, too. I could see you and, oh my god, you and JoJo. Yeah, I love it. Headlining. Yeah, kind of everything. I'll season three. Yeah. I want to talk to JoJo. I want to talk to Coachella next year too. I could see you and JoJo. Yeah, I love it. Headlining. Yeah, kind of everything. I'll be her special guest. She'd bring me out.

I have a soft spot for JoJo too. I do. I think her problematic stuff is just her age and victim of being a young child. Yeah, like call her daddy. Are we over that? Are we over Coachella?

Because I'm fine to call her daddy now. Because I have stuff to say about that. That's pretty much all I have for Coachella. Oh, Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keoghan were cute. I got – he was like – Oh, yeah. Yeah. People said he was rolling.

What's rolling? Is that when you're on Molly? I think so, yeah. But they said that about everyone. Maybe that's just a term people are using now. I think everyone is usually on something at Coachella. He looked hyped. Like, did you see when she was like, whoo?

And he's like filming her friend and like that. And when she's singing about a boy, she's like, oh. He's like, that's me. He's geeked. He's geeked. She like, he waved and he's like, ah. He can't believe he pulled her. I'm like, that's how it should be.

You know, that's how it should be. I, that's such a random couple. That's such a random couple. But did you ever hear the interview where someone asked her if she saw Salt Burn? No. What's she saying? I think he said he was friends with her, too. It was weird.

I just saw it on my TikTok. And he's like, oh, have you seen the movie Salt Burn? And she goes, yeah. She's like, I have to go to the bathroom. And then she just left and never came back. And I don't know how long ago that was or why. But I'm like, that's so interesting. That's everything.

I love Barry Keoghan, too. I think he's so cute. And I think she's a gorge. I love her. Yeah, she is a baby Trish, though. A hundred percent. Oh, God. That's the best thing ever, I wish. She is so you. She live for her. Yeah, she is a baby Trish, though, 100%. Oh, God, that's the best thing ever, I wish.

She is so you. I think I'm baby Trish being JoJo, but I would take Sabrina Carpenter for sure. I ordered the shirt. Hopefully it comes by our next Hot Topics. Jesus was a carpenter. I got it in pink. Oh, live for that. Yeah, so I don't know if it's going to come in time. I want it for my Hot Topics next week, but I want to do a Sabrina cosplay because I just think she's so cute.

Her bangs, everything about her is so, so adorable. I love her new song. She's in Makeup by Mario. I literally ordered it the other day. I'm Makeup by Mario blush. I forgot what it was called. And she puts it way up.

Yeah, her new song, Espresso. I'm a Sabrina stan. Me too. I love her. Which is so weird. To me, it's like she kind of came out of nowhere. But I was just like, I love her. And she's been around for so long.

I interviewed her once. On the set of Boy Meets World, Girl Meets World meets world no she had a song that she's promoting i forget what it was alien i want to say it's like you're an alien that's the only part i remember that literally sounds like nonsense like i guess you could call me it was a song she did with the dj i forget who i don't know this was a long time ago i know her hairdresser maybe we can get through her i was gonna say even though she is so it girl right now but well we need an it girl

we have a boy it day we need an it girl god could you imagine I was never even addressing like the hat oh I know oh yeah your shirt

but we talked about it before and I was like wait let's wait I love that you still have that that's wild was it packed away no it was just in my closet no way

you've had it in your closet since 2019 yeah that's wild I get real clothes like every week. Like, that's crazy. It looks so good on you.

Did I give it to you or did you just have it? You gave it to me at your rehearsal. Did I have it in my trunk or something? It was in your trunk, yeah. I always had merch in my trunk. We were leaving and you were like, hold on, I think I have something in my trunk. Oh my God, here, take some merch. That's so funny.

I love it. I know. I was like, whoa, what a blast in the past. Heartbreak tour. It's kind of Sabrina coded, I feel like. It is the font, yeah. Cute. And then the, yeah, the hats. Well, this was the perfectcoated, I feel like, heartbreak. It is the font, yeah. Cute. And then the hats.

Well, this was the perfect time to wear the hats because I didn't have glam for hair because everyone's in frickin' Coachella this weekend. No one was back. I was like, what the heck? So I couldn't find any glam for today. I had a great makeup artist, Apollo, shout out, but I had no hair today. So I was like, ah, I'm just going to have to wear it. I don't even know what it looks like, this hair underneath.

Because this is like a length. It's not the cute where it's like really long like Paris Hilton. It's like this like kind of like joder length. You know what I mean? Where it's kind of like mulledy underneath. But I don't know what it looks like. But yeah, we had the hats because Oscar. How did you find these?

I just saw it on Twitter. Someone posted them. I think they're like a – I want to say a gas station or something. But I think I'm making that up. I'm pretty sure I'm making that up actually. I just saw a photo of them and I was like, that is so us coded. I loved it. The pink.

It was just so cute. Boy, I love it there. I love pronouns still. I feel like we really need so us coded. I loved it. The pink. It was just so cute. Boy, I love it there. I love pronouns still. I feel like we really need to make pronouns a thing. Like, especially, I told you, on Drag Race, they should put pronouns. They really should on Drag Race. You know? You don't want to misgender people.

And I feel like we kind of, like, let that go a little bit. And people are just, like, over it or whatever. But I feel like it's still so important. So it's, like, put those pronouns in your emails. And most emails do. Like, I think CAA, they always have, like, their pronouns in it. Like, any professional email always has pronouns. Keep those

pronouns. I like they as me as a person. I should probably clarify this again. As a performer, that's why I relate to a lot of the queens on RuPaul. As a performer, I think of me as a she. Every day, I really don't feel

boy, girl. I don't feel gender is important in that situation. I think that's day I really don't feel like boy girl like I don't feel like gender is like important in that situation so I think that's why I like they I like the in general like I think it's I mean it's probably shouldn't but I like to just call everybody they because I just don't I don't know I don't really see people boy or cheap but that's why we should have everyone wear these everyone wear a little hot yeah so I know you want to be he and stuff and again Moses doesn't like genders either so it's like I don't really want to be like he, my husband. I like partner. But then someone's like, oh, why do you call him partner?

Because it's like sounds like you're gay or something. Because it's like non-conformatory. It's like there's no label. Sometimes I use partner too if you don't know if they're married or something. Like if I forget like somebody's married, I'm like, oh, they're a partner. Partner. But also when you're married, it's like why does it have to be husband and wife? You know what I mean?

It's like can it be just neutral partner? Anyways, we love a pronoun. We would have gotten Moses. He just wanted it. He didn't want anything else on it because he didn't want, well, because you, yeah, because you don't want to define anything. That's how you describe water. Water is an it.

You can have it water, but yeah, you always liked it. You liked it, just it. And I think that's respectful. I remember when I respectful when that the pronouns thing came out and i was like i'm it and people were like you're mocking that yeah i'm like no i'm serious about it you always been like that and yeah like i said it won't take time but right right people will catch on you'll be like two ahead in like 30 years people are like you know what actually identify as that too um yeah even the ones that go like a little like to some people

extreme but there's like ze and ni. There's all those. I don't know what they all mean but I respect it. I was like you know what whatever. Honestly I get it. I get wanting to identify as whatever you feel honestly. Wonderful. It's your boat. Because they is like a lot. It's different you know. But I like it. I like they. But

you know. Moses doesn't want to be a they. He wants to be it. And that's fine. And he's being so serious. I feel like people like don't know because I feel like you never talk about it but I feel like gender, everything, sexuality is just very,

not something we want to identify with, that's for sure. And even me, I'd always say hetero, I kept saying hetero and he was like, why do you always say

we're in hetero? I was like, you're right, you're right, I shouldn't say anything. Or even if you look at it in a spiritual way, if you identify with your spirit,

your soul, it's more than, like the body is not the identity. So way, if you identify with your spirit, your soul, it's more than that. Like the body is not the identity. So like if I like, I don't know, let's say I'm vegetarian. That's not my identity. It's my preference. Yeah. Whatever.

It's like, look, all those things are not who you are really. I get it. Respect. Spilled. Kudos for spilling. Kudos for spilling. What did you say? Kudos mama for spilling? Is that what it is? Kudos mama for spilling is that what it is kudos mama for spilling yeah i need a little tea cup a little tea no this is the thing oscar oscar says this is the thing that's like the

clap yeah right but i'm spilling okay i'm spilling got it got it got it shout out um megami for you just being an absolute what do they, assassin on the lip sync? I mean, that was the best part of the show. That was everything. The fact that she knew the little walk into the split. She could predict it. That was so iconic. The fact that she beat Maya.

Maya Mon-Pete. Maya Mon-Pete. Because she is good. Like, we already know. She's like the lip sync queen. I was like gagged. I was like, ah. It like it was amazing though she did good i i love i love like an underdog because everyone said like i would pick her too because like we know we're gonna win against her and then she made a top two and it's always good saying like a big girl do it too because obviously i

mean maya's bigger and she can do like the flips and stuff but like it's i think it's easier i guess to win lip syncs like if you can – Flip and stuff. Do all that stuff. Yeah. It's like so physically impressive. Yeah. But you just have to rely on your personality too I think is also –

That was – I was gagged. I was like, yes, Megami. Because the whole season she kind of went under the radar where I was like I'm not really impressed either way. But that was everything. And I was so excited. But Morphine obviously deserved to win. She was so good.

I love Morphine. I love Morphine too actually. I loved her wig reveal. I loved everything. I was just like, ah win she was so good but i love morphine i love morphine too actually i loved her wig reveal i loved everything i was just like god she's so good uh-huh and i just love the way that she talks and like the way that she narrates it's so funny she's like this is the second to final boss i'm on 70 health like it's all so cute is that like fortnite i get any video game really the way she was like i'm on 30 health and i'm going against the final boss it's all the progression i didn't even get that, but now I'm like, oh, that's very Fortnite coded. It's very us. And she looks so beautiful.

She's like one of the most beautiful. Yeah, she's so pretty. We love. Kudos, morphine. Kudos, mama. Spill that. Spill. Oh, man.

Poor Q not making it to top four. It's crazy. Oh, we already talked about that last week, but not being the top four. We're in the drag race now, but now it's almost over. I know. What are we going to do when it ends? Oh, man. Poor Q not making it to top four. It's crazy. Oh, we already talked about that last week, but not being the top four. We're in the drag race now, but now it's almost over. I know. What are we going to do when it ends? Oh, my God. Literally nothing's on.

There's like nothing in between. I don't know. What is on? What are we going to do? What are we going to watch? Don't we watch something? We started watching something because nothing was on. What did we start watching?

The Palm. Oh, yeah. Palm Real. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not the same. Ricky Martin. That's about it. He looks so different.

Did you see he got a boner at the Madonna concert? We forgot to talk about that. Was that real? I'm pretty sure it was real. At first, I didn't think so. I thought it was just, like, you know, the zipper or something in the pants. But then, like, TMZ had multiple angles that confirmed it was directed. Isn't he, like, almost 60?

Maybe. I just don't think you can get him that easy at that age. I don't think you just can unless he pops something before. But it's, like – 52. 52, you definitely can still get them that easy at that age. I don't think you just can unless you pop something before. But it's like – 52. 52 you definitely can still get hard. Not that easily. Not that easily.

And at Madonna? Was it for Madonna or for who? No, it's because they had all these like Vogue dancers and then there was guys that like were in jock straps and they were doing like lap dances. Oh, well, okay. That's not fair. That, of course – Well, who's judging him?

Like if you're getting a lap dance, what are you going to be like, oh my God, how dare he? Oh, that's so gross. I don't think anyone was saying that's so gross. Everyone was well like who's judging him like if you're getting a lap dance what are you gonna be like oh my god how dare he ew that's so gross like I don't think anyone was saying that's so gross everyone was just like ooh

was it good I think so I think it was really hard to tell cause everything was kind of like grainy you would think that like quality of videos

would be like excellent everything looks like it's shot at a potato everything that's important you never have clear video oh yeah maybe the shot on that camera everyone has the freaking

digital cameras now. We're trying to be it girls now with like little cameras. Where are we going to take pictures? I love that you thought this. I don't know. Well, now I'm like – because like whenever we don't have a photographer here, like we don't have like BTS, like what if we want to merge with this Knesset, us with our little hats.

You know what I mean? Like the in-between. I like that. In-between the big guys. Because even like you still get really glam sometimes and you don't have a guest. You know what I'm saying? It's like – That's true.

That still needs to be documented. Okay. I love that. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. I know we haven't had our photographer because he's been out for like two weeks like on vacation somewhere or like, I don't know, he's shooting something somewhere else. So all of our pictures we've been taking with an iPhone and I literally had someone email

me like an edit. I should have sent them to you because they're like, here, edit them to look better. I was like, oh, he's like, so it fits your feed better. So they're like brighter. I was like, do it. Because I honestly just put them up raw. Like I was like, whatever. And I'm like, I was shocked're like brighter. I was like, do they – because I honestly just put them up raw. Like I was like whatever. And I'm like – I was shocked and like Tana didn't ask me to take it down because I know she loves to Facetune.

But to me, she looks so – no one said anything. Like, oh, she looks so good. You know what I mean? And I didn't Facetune or anything. So I love a non-Facetune photo. But I should send them to you for like – because the guy who sent it to me for an edit, I already posted them though. So I was like, I'm not going to take them down and repost. But I didn't have a photographer, Alexa or Tana, because he's been out of town.

But hopefully he'll be back. He might be back this week. I don't know. But that's why. In case people wondered, I don't know. I don't want anyone to be like, oh my gosh, you can get a photographer for this. We love photographers. But we have photographers now with the digital.

Yeah, now we're with the It Girls, all the Gen Z girls. Yeah, set up a dispo for – Oh, I should, huh? Just Trish Dispo. Disposable? Yeah, like you. Yeah, yeah. My account was disposable originally, and now it's backup or something like that. oh I should huh just Trish Dispo yeah disposable oh yeah like you yeah yeah yeah my account was disposable

originally and now it's backup or something like that but and then before we leave I guess

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we'll review Coachella outfits so go to patreon.com slash justtrish was that right? keep on posing we can go into Jojo Siwa now

was color daddy out when we did the last hot topics? no it just was teased we always miss it I know but like a couple hours I know I kind of have kind of sympathy for her you know again but this is. I kind of have, um, kind of have sympathy for her, you know, again, but this is everything, it kind of just confirmed everything we already say is that she's like this victim of like child exploitation, child like grooming, child like a little bit of child abuse, like verbally or whatever. Also just being growing up too fast and she like admits it. So it's like, we kind of just kind of confirmed everything because I always thought maybe she doesn't think of herself as a victim and I don't think she does think of herself as a victim but I mean she she had a lot of pressures as like a kid and stuff and she's kind of admitting to all that oh just like and this and the way she said everything too my the thing that got to me

the most was her talking about her mom and her family and I was kind of like oh damn like they really I don't even know if like taking advantage is the right word but they really were relying heavily on her and I just feel like with like child stars, if you're relying on your child to like make the money, like I don't care if you like gave up your career and your work form and stuff like that. It's like you still should have like savings and backup for yourself so you don't have to like rely on your child to succeed. Because I think that's where she probably, and this is why I'm saying I know she has a warped sense of like what's right and what's wrong because she was like, oh, it's a privilege to take care of my family at 17 that they all were relying on me and stuff. And it's like,

it's not a privilege. That's like so much pressure and like that just shouldn't happen. I don't care if she was like a billionaire and her family wasn't. It's like it just like should not happen. And the fact that only 15% goes in a Coogan account, I thought that was interesting too. Like the Coogan account is like an account where they put like money, like Honey Boo Boo just recently talked about it, how like 15% is supposed to go into the Coogan account. And where's the other 85% goes? It goes to the parents. And I get it, like Mama June was like, oh, you know, went to like your hair and this and that, like, I guess maybe like headshots or costumes or something like that, I guess have a little bit,

but I think it should be at least 50% at least into the Cougar account, right? Because it's like, you only need so much for expenses. And she also said that she wished she had more of a parent and that wouldn't just talk about business because she said her and her mom always talked about business. And her mom always said that they were 50-50 on it and that they were worried that JoJo was going to leave them high and dry. So when she got the money from the Coogan account, when she turned 18, her family were so happy that they didn't just like, she didn't just leave them high and dry. And she was like, oh, I would never do that. Like I would never leave them high and dry. And it's just like a weird thing all around. The 50-50 is weird. The fact that you were like,

that's your fear is that they're going to like get their money and then like leave you after you took 85% of their money somewhere. Like, you know, maybe they didn't, maybe they gave it to her. I don't know. But the whole thing seems a little odd, a little sus. And it made me feel really bad for her, especially the way she talked about it. Just all of it. Just wishing she had a parent, thinking of it as a privilege, being able to take care of all of them at 17. It's a privilege to take care of your family for sure when they're older. Like if your parents are like 70 and not working, like my mom had a really bad hip. She has like neuropathy and she was like bartending her whole life. And it's like, yeah, it's a privilege at like 65 I can retire her.

But it's like, not when I'm 17 and I don't know what my future holds. It's like, I don't know. The whole thing made me very sad for JoJo. And I know she doesn't see herself in a sad way or a victim way, but I think she's a victim of a lot that she doesn't see. And it makes me really sad for her. And probably what we've always suspected is why she is kind of the way she is, like where she doesn't see right and wrong. Like, oh, there's nothing wrong with being friend 13 with a 30. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you don't see it. Oh, there's nothing wrong with being yelled at on TV.

Because some of the dance moms clips I see of Abby Lee and like yelling at JoJo is like crazy. Like literally just like snapping at her, yelling at her, making her cry. And I was like, how does she not see that as like something wrong? I don't know. It's just like, she talks about having kids. And I'm just just like I hope she sees when she has kids like that's wrong. Because otherwise it repeats the cycle, right? Like you're just like, oh, teachers can yell at our children even if it's for like fake or whatever.

I don't know. It's so weird. I just feel like she has a lot more issues than she knows, which is evident from this interview. And it's funny because Z then they also talked about this kind of recently too she said in an interview like how she's looking back at like child stardom differently because she was saying that like all of a sudden like she became like the breadwinner of the family and it was like so much responsibility on her and it was like all of a sudden she was like thrust into adulthood and like skipping childhood so she's saying like now it's hard for her to like uh like like appreciate what she's going through because she's so used to

like um growing up so fast and like not being able to try different things like she's just like stuck in this like very adult like business mindset and she says that now she's just like constantly tense and she's trying to like undo all the um like everything that she like became through like child stardom and coming up where did she say that i i saw it on tiktok but where was this was it just she talked about it in vogue interesting and she's still like what you would look at from the outside is like well-rounded as like she seems humbled and like grounded you know what i mean it's like it's not like jojo who has like erratic behavior it's like she seems very just like well adjusted well adjusted yeah yeah so that's interesting that she said that yeah she said that like if she could do anything differently like she wishes

she'd like could have gone to school and like had like some kind of normal childhood because i get like that growing up phase of just like trying different things and figuring out who you are like all of a sudden you can't do that when you're right all the breadwinner of the family you're taking care of so many people and so many people rely on you so you just don't get a chance to like grow and like you know figure out who you are like in an organic way you have people especially right at that age and they really should put 100% of their money in a Cougar account because, like, it really should be, like, not even a thing where you rely on your child for money. It should be looked at as, like, a hobby, like dance or something where they can just

do it for fun if they want to. And then, obviously, they get paid and look at the money when they're 18. But as a child, you don't know that kind of stuff. So it's, like, you should still – I think you should put 100% in the Cougar account and still pay for the stuff they need. Because if your child was in dance, for instance, that's expensive. You have to pay for competition and costumes and all stuff like that. And that would come out of your pocket. You know what I mean? You wouldn't take it out of your child's pocket. So I just think that, yeah, the whole system seems a little messed up. And this is someone I wanted to be a child

star. I always thought like too with my daughter, I was like, oh, you know, she always loves to perform. So I was like, oh, you know, she wants to perform. I'll let her perform. But yeah, as far as like going on like TV shows and stuff, that's a lot. That's a lot of pressure anyway. So just like have to go to work and go to school and have this like routine. It's just like a lot for a kid. I don't know. Obviously, some of them are fine. Like Hilary Duff.

Well, we don't know. I mean, she doesn't really like opened up about it. But because from Jojo, it really sounds like the it's the parents. It's the parents fault because in a way, it's okay for you to do the shows it's okay to do all of that but the parents don't need to involve the kid in adult matters like business she says she talked to her about the business and all that the kid doesn't need to know you're paying mortgage you're paying the bills you're doing like they don't need the pressure that adults have. They can still have it as like they go into the playground to play or they go into a dance class. But when you give kids adult issues, they're not supposed to deal with that.

Just like they're not supposed to deal with their parents' relationship issues, business issues, all of that stuff. You just keep it out of them so they can enjoy what they're doing as a kid. And the parents might be reliant on them. You know know if they really gave up everything to do this full time but don't i think that's the issue add the pressure the issue is what you talk to them about no but i give them but that's the problem if they don't know their job like jojo's family you know like they quit their job in hopes that their child's going to be a star and bring in millions or maybe they are bringing a lot of money like oh now we

can quit our job it's like even as like an adult like 20 years old, if like Malibu is a billionaire, I'm not gonna think like, oh, we should stop working. Malibu will take care of us. Like, it's like at any stage in life, I don't think a parent should ever like rely on their child to take care of them or anything like that. It's like, that should still be their money. And just because they're a child doesn't mean like,

you can, you know what I mean? If you can't support your children financially, like you can't rely on them. Because the other parallel you can look at, which a lot of this is coming from, is the athletic world. Like if you look at the way kids are treated in that world, they are being shouted at and abused. And they're, you know, it's a very harsh world.

Athletics, dance world, all of that. Right. So now with this show, we actually get to see it on camera. That's the main difference. Which show? Dance Moms. Dance Moms. Oh, right. It doesn't happen either. So now with this show, we actually get to see it on camera. That's the main difference. Which show? Dance Moms. Dance Moms. Oh, right.

What you saw on camera is what happens in real life everywhere all the time. I mean, if you see kids that go to the Olympics and all those things, they really are treated that way. And there is a lot of abuse and verbal abuse and girls coming from ballet with eating disorders because of the abuse. So now we just get to see it well yeah now we know how to correct it because obviously it's like some messed up and it's like i think it's 10 times worse i mean obviously like verbal abuse to get any age i would like hell no but um when it's on tv too then you're just like embarrassing this child like you know just like putting it all out there i don't know jojo jojo's gone through it for sure

i have like, I mean, I'm surprised she is as well adjusted as she is and able to like, you know, have this like thick skin and stuff like that. Like she's pretty good, but it's probably why a lot of the dance mom girls like leave the spotlight. Cause they're probably just like, this shit is too hard. Like as it wouldn't make most people crumble. Most kids be like, I don't want to do this. I don't know. It made me sad. And the way she talked about it so nonchalantly and this is like, oh, that's like. Why do fintechs like Float choose Visa?

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you want your child to be happy and if they are so talented right like they're so talented you want them to be a star you want them to be happy you want them to be set for life but then it just gets a little murky yeah like you're saying oh we're 50 50 and this is a business and thank god for you didn't leave us and i don't know it's just like a whole thing i think it's like it's a little yeah with her parents there was a lot of emotional blackmail. Yeah. Because they've been grooming her all her life to take care of them in the future and not to leave them.

We don't know that. That's what you just said. That's what we just said. Yeah. All of their life, they're like, don't leave us and we hope you don't leave us and you take care of us. Like, they've been all of her life making it known for her that if she leaves them. Well, just to clarify, they said that after when she took her kookumoni.

They're like, oh, thank you for not leaving us high and dry. So I don't know. We don't know for sure if they were saying that to her. But yeah. It sounds like obviously she said like she had a parent and not someone that just talked business all the time. So yeah, you're right. Yeah.

And it's hard. When you have a little star, because JoJo was such a star, like I totally get it. And it's so hard because already with Malibu, I'm like, oh, she's such a star. And we've had people like offer like for commercials, like big ones. And I'm just like, ah, she's just like so little right now. And I'm just like, oh, I don't know. But then when she gets five, it's like, man, she's a five-year-old little girl. And then it just becomes a whole thing.

And I'm like, oh, what age? But I know I loved performing as a kid. Like, oh, my God. Like any chance I got, like musical theater, I was always in the background. But I was like four years old. I was playing an orphan Annie. Like not Annie. I was the background orphan.

But I was just like always in stuff. I always went to audition. I remember at like five there was this thing called Barbrazahn. Do you remember that? I'm surprised because it was in Southern California because my dad lived out here and it was like Barbrazahn models and you would go and like pay like it was literally like a couple thousand dollars and your kid could be like modeling school and I'd go to that and they'd like you would take pictures and acting classes and I was one of them called Bebe's Kids and I was always just taking acting because I just like wanted to do it so bad and I wanted more than anything to be like on TV. So it's like I get it but yeah, how do you protect them so they don't turn weird?

Yeah. And it's hard too because like I get how like parents would have to – wouldn't really be able to work like a normal like nine to five job and like also have their take their kids like auditions and all this stuff too it's like it would be the time would overlap right like the night during the nine to five is when they would do like you know all the auditions and like filmings or castings and all this stuff too so it's hard to like balance both then if the parents can't work then they're i guess kind of like having to gamble on like the kid becoming a star or something but it's just like you can't work, then they're, I guess, kind of like having to gamble on like

the kid becoming a star or something. But it's just like you can't put your kid in that position, I guess, is like the big thing. Like, you know. But yeah, I don't think all of that is true, though. Not necessarily because I think Drake Bell said like his mom would drive him up after work. So like he would come up at like from like four to ten o'clock and audition or something

like that. Yeah. His dad would pick him up after school. Okay. Oh, so he was going to school. So I feel like. Until and then once he got something, though, he became drake's manager yeah right yeah it's hard yeah i don't know drake for example that was his dream like he was happy he was like that's all he wanted

to do and his dad supported him and yeah and they close. So it all comes down to the parent and how they handle the situation. I know. I'm still not like anti-kid star because like you said, some people like love it and they were like so happy. I've seen, for example,

very close people that the parents wanted the kid to be a dancer and at some point the kid just didn't want to but that's the world their entire life. Yeah, that's like a whole other thing.

Well, I think then, well, Drake obviously like spending the night at like a man's house and you know, that, I think that's like where, I don't know. And that's like the shocking part, right? It's like, how do you let your kid do that? But I don't know. I guess people. Well, if the kid, well, in Drake's case, that was awful because the industry was the toxic one where, you know, if you don't do what they say you're gonna lose the job

and never work there again so you walk that fine line of like you have to because the dad had suspicions but they were like oh you're being phobic and you're being problematic yeah i'm actually like that's what was like the most shocking about alexa's story i thought hers was so interesting is like she continued to work after she quit um zoe 101 like she worked a lot actually it wasn't really until she met her husband. I thought that was so interesting and good in a way. Because it is. I would be the same way. It's like, oh, my God.

The Sacha Baron Cohen thing. If you say no or if you're difficult, people don't want to work with you again. I think that does happen. But I was surprised at how many jobs Alexa got after that, up until being an adult. I was like, oh, I guess that's good. She wasn't blacklisted from whatever. Just Nickelodeon, I guess. Right.

But she got to go on Disney. I like JoJo in the Call Her Daddy interview too because I like that she was more like casual. I wish she wasn't wearing that damn hat. I kind of live for the hat. I do. And I'm not even being ironic and going like pick me like being quirky. I kind of live for it.

It was so like – it gave it because you know what? She was being casual but then she had a little bit of glam to her. I kind of liked it. Was she wearing herself on her shirt? Yeah. I casual but then she had a little bit of glam to her. I liked it. Was she wearing herself on her shirt? Yeah. I love that too. That's her karma merch. That's everything.

That's what she wore when she was paparazzi at the sex shop I think. Was it the same day? No. Oh, she didn't have the hat. She just has a lot of that same shirt. I want that shirt. I really do like JoJo. Like I really do.

And I think that's my frustration with all of it. It's like, oh, man, I really do like her. So when all that other stuff came out, I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. And I always have. I just thought she was – especially now I like her resilience and I like her – I don't know. That's like just doubling down, tripling down, just being like – I don't know. Just being wild, you know?

Not knowing the girl who's saying her karma originally. She's like, who's Britt Smith? I mean, like, maybe she doesn't know. You know? She might be just so busy. She's like not online. But who's saying her karma originally she's like who's brit smith i mean like maybe she doesn't know you know she might be just so busy she's like not online but she's making the rounds vile file call her daddy we're ready yeah we're ready jojo because she does like that's what i'm saying the caller daddy like gave me like a little bit of glimpse that she's like a real person and she like has these like kind of sad moments in her life that she can acknowledge that we're kind of like sad for her. Like the mom thing specifically just being like I wish I had a mom and not like someone

talking business all the time. But I would like to talk to her. And then the thing that kind of gagged me – I didn't watch it but I was like reading articles about it. I didn't know that her girlfriend moved in with her when she was just 17. Oh my god. That part was crazy. I forgot.

I didn't even make that note. That's right. That, again, red flag. Also, again, like, goes back to the parents. Like, I guess they all said they regretted it. But, like, what? Like, of course. Like, why would you let – first of all, like, it's harder to even let someone date at 16, much less, like, have someone in the same – you know, usually parents leave their door open.

Like, leave your door open. But you're going to have them move in at 16. Like, what was the reason? What did they say? Did she say? She said it was COVID. It was summer. It just kind of all happened.

Then she came to California, and I was like, don't leave. Two weeks turned into four weeks, turned into eight weeks, turned into nine months. Then we were a married couple at 17 and 16, and we had to break up. Wild. Figuratively, they were married, right? Not, like, literally? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I think just in the sense of, like, living together. Crazy. break up wild figuratively they were married right not like literally yeah yeah okay i think just the sense of like living together crazy that's crazy and once again i think it just goes

back to parents being like of course everybody wants their boyfriend or girlfriend to live with them at that age but it's like what also her parents like what what was happening that's so odd i know and then she said uh my mom says all the time, I should have never allowed my 16-year-old's partner to live with us. That was not healthy for you, much less for her and her family. Someone should have put their foot down. But no one at the time felt it was right to. This wasn't that long ago.

This was like four years ago. Yeah, 2020. It's not like it's like 20 years ago where we didn't know back then. You know, it's like it's very like a parent. This is like a weird thing to do. Like that's so odd. Yeah. And you're a weird thing to do. Like that's so odd. Yeah. And you're a parent and you're.

16. 16. And the brother was living with them. I remember like the brother lived with them and the brother's girlfriend lived. It's just like, I don't know. That's kind of. It's yeah. That part is very, very weird.

Hmm. Yeah. What did she say? Anything else more about it? or is that yeah uh well she says now when she like looks at 16 year olds as like a 20 almost 21 year old she's like oh my god you you were um my age when my girlfriend moved in with me that's what i'm saying she sees that jojo sees that from a 16 to 20 year age difference but like the parents are clearly in their 40s so like you can't reflect four years ago let's say you're 44 oh when i was 40 i didn't know better it's like if a 16 year old is seeing

how wrong it was at 20 it's like how do you not see that when you're so far removed from 16 because 16 is so young like i even talk about this like with mel like dating i'm just like i don't know like do you let someone date at 16 that's so i guess i may be like going to the movie or something but definitely not like in the house door closed It's definitely not living. That's crazy. That's wild to me. I don't know. It's so weird. And the fact that they're all seeing this now, not that far later, which means I would

have delved into that more, being like, okay, what was that like? Tell me, because that's crazy. And then you're also doing all this workload. It's during the XOMG pop days, so it's kind of weird. And you're a superstar on top of that.'s like kind of just a recipe for disaster yeah and then i think is to um jojo kind of alluded she didn't say which girlfriend but she said one of the exes she was like she had a lot of trauma from because there was some like legal stuff like they were she was very vague about it but people think like timeline wise what she was saying um like what was this girl yeah she it was she couldn't

even like specify what it was but then there was this one instagram where her mom was recording her on her instagram story and jojo was like um like having a fit about something she's like what happened she's like girls are using me for clout and for fame like and she's talking about dating or whatever and obviously it shows the song like you know my exes want fame whatever um that's so that's so interesting too because it's like how do you know like you like maybe probably yes but also like i think with britney spears too i should say how do you know if someone wants you for you it's like really i feel like everybody wants a little spotlight if you're dating someone famous right i think especially the two girls who are two like most public relationships are both tiktok girls right so

it's like you know oh yeah it's so hard she needs to date someone like literally like an accountant or something like that you know what i mean an accountant at 20 years old i guess those exist the 20 year old accountant maybe someone in college i the 20-year-old accountant. Okay. Maybe someone in college. I don't know. Yeah. And also when you're like famous too, you probably do have so much more, yeah, like reasons to get sued, right?

Like I was 16 and they didn't take care. I don't know. There's probably so many other reasons. I wonder what it was though. She was so vague about it. She said someone from her team called her

and then said like, no, like this got leaked out from her, like the girlfriend or whatever. And it was like a whole thing. And she has like all this trauma now from that that's what i was gonna say is that when somebody is that close in your house all the time they see more than you want the world to see it's a lot they have you know pictures videos and everything was it jojo were we watching someone her ex-girlfriend or was it someone else's ex kind of talking about like oh

how awful a person they were but it really just sounded like they were just an awful girlfriend it wasn't like anything everyone was making the big thing it might have been one of jojo's exes i don't know so it was like another she like didn't say the name or anything but yes yeah and she's kind of just describing but it was just not like she's kind of just like a girlfriend and not like this horrible person like you know did these all i mean she didn't say anything like abusive but the way she was like framing it made it sound like this really bad thing and everyone's like oh my god this is about jojo like how dare she and it's like sometimes it's just like you have a shitty relationship and it's like it sucks when you're famous because then

it gets blasted out and people again just like want to get on like a hate train to like you know hate you why do you think jojo has a hate train you're so good at deciphering why people have hatreds been like obnoxious and she's like she's erased other gay artists and claimed to be the cutting edge first of a generation. You're right. You're right on that one. It looks a little ridiculous. She did clarify the gay pop thing.

She did say – She wants to be what? The CFO of gay pop? Yeah. She's like, maybe I didn't invent it, but I'm trying to bring it back or something. Everyone's just like, okay, girl. She walks it back a little bit. We like that.

We like a little bit. I get it. Walk back. Okay. Everyone's just like, okay, girl. She walks it back a little bit. We like that. We like a little bit walk back. Okay, fair enough on that hate train. I know. I mean, there's just like a lot, a lot with her. And I'm like, God, it really is crazy. And also pressure for her. I remember when I had a girlfriend, like just a friend come stay with me at 14 for a summer in California. I met her up at Michael Jackson's house. She was a Michael Jackson fan. We were both 14. And she just stayed with us that summer because my dad always took us to Michael Jackson's – or took me to Michael Jackson's house like once a week. But she was from Atlanta. So she stayed with us and she was supposed to be with us for the whole summer. After two weeks, I was like, I don't want her in the house anymore.

Like I was just so annoyed, right? And it's like that's a lot at that age. You know, I was a little younger, 14. But it's just like that's just a lot to have someone like live with you. Like all of a sudden now my dad also has to cater to her and like you know he's making her girl Jesus too and I was just like no I don't want this you know what I mean so it's just like a lot to like have that you're just too young you know most people don't move in with their significant others even at 18 so yeah yeah I really couldn't imagine being that young and I mean I didn't have

a boyfriend so like my first boyfriend was literally Moses that I and I mean I didn't have a boyfriend my first boyfriend was literally Moses that I lived with so I was like 32 yeah I was like that's my first so I don't know how that goes but that would be wild oh my god if I had the person that I was hooking up with at 16 moving with me he would have been like a 50 year old man living with us which would have been wild that would have been crazy I think I moved out i should be with that person so oh my god you know it's a lot it's wild different traumas but you know still the same oh jojo i'm rooting for you anyways i hope i hope it all works out and again i just think like 20 years from now is when she can come on just trish because she'll have like this more well she's

already looking back at four years ago a little bit differently. Maybe the gap will be smaller than we think. I think so. I think even like Tana who's like 25 looks back at like her at 17 and be like, this was like not right, you know, what people did and stuff.

So I guess kind of related, another weird relationship. Sam Taylor Johnson, you know her, the director with Yes. When you say that,'m like no yes that's the guy i didn't know the name um she kind of talked about her um 23 year age gap with aaron taylor johnson her husband who she met when he was 18 on the set of a movie that they worked on together do they hyphenate their names together yeah sam taylor and then aaron i think aaron no

aaron taylor sam johnson i think oh interesting i think we're just saying what that i do love names together? Yeah. Sam Taylor and then Aaron, I think. Aaron? No. Aaron Taylor. Sam Johnson, I think. Oh, interesting. We're just saying what that... I do love the hyphenated names, but besides the point. So they met when he was 18 and she was the director. Yeah. How old was she? 23 years older. So 18 plus

23. Why did they have to do the math? What is that? 41? Wait. Wait, what? What is that? One. 41? Wait. Wait, what? 23. 20 years old is 38. Yeah, 41.

Wait, that's actually crazy. I didn't. That's crazy. That, 41 to 18. Yeah. But isn't that the same with, who's the girl? Who's that girl? The one that's Ariana's friend.

Liz Gillies. Oh, I don't know oh she met victoria she met her husband when she was like 16 on victoria's weird um anyways 18 i guess adult so yeah legally it's cool okay but like ick also when you're like working for someone and it's like you're the director and that's your but still a director dating an actor like i mean it's nothing new but it's just kind of like again the power dynamic of it especially when they are 18 wait what happened with them what's the news well she got asked about like uh if she avoids social media because of all the hate that she gets and the she gets called a groomer a lot obviously on social media um and kind of an overused word i think that does apply to a lot of situations. I don't know if it's like grooming if you met someone as an adult on the set. I guess.

Because grooming is like – the way I perceive it, right, is like you befriend someone. You have their trust. Like you're kind of like – kind of like manipulate them. And I think you have to be a child to be groomed. Am I right? Because like the whole point is like Adam McIntyre at 14, right? You're my friend and you're this and I'm confiding in you. And so now we have this loyalty and we're bonding.

I think that's more like grooming. But 18 is kind of early enough to... Mold. Now the relationship is the result of what they perceive as grooming. What's the grooming part, though? Like, because they just worked on a movie together. Well, to get the role in the movie, and then she was his director. And then that creates a whole different relationship.

I did have lunch with him in New York right after the movie came out. You had lunch with those two people? Why? Just by yourself? No, with another person. Okay. How was it? Were they nice they nice yeah she was very nice he didn't say much it was like having a mom and their her kid oh okay wow disturbing but

wow you really are most like forrest gump he's just like in the picture with everybody he's like yeah after all that happened i had lunch with them i was like okay no the movie just came out and then right what movie. What movie is it? John Lennon. He played John Lennon, right? Nowhere Boy. The John Lennon biopic. He played John Lennon? No, it was a big deal. I mean, a big deal, the role itself, to get the role. That's why it's kind of like, almost like, let the movie come out and let him go.

Like, don't date him. Let him go. Right. Like, have a fling, I guess. 18's young. But it is hard, too, when you see them. Yeah, that's young. No, that's very young. I agree. No one likes them together.ing, I guess. 18's young. But it is hard, too, when you see them – yeah, that's young. No, that's very young.

I agree. No one likes them together. No, I know that. I always see people like Ariana do a movie with Aaron Johnson next. Let me see. There's – so he was only seven years older than his stepdaughter, like by the time they got married. Oh, my God. That is kind of weird.

Weird, yeah. Yeah, no. If you're – no, that is definitely – that should definitely be a rule. Like you should not have children closer to like your partner's age. Yeah. She said that we're a bit of an anomaly. But that's the thing. After 14 years, you think surely by now it doesn't really matter?

That's her stance on it. Oh, girl, no. Bad take. Bad, bad. It's like Woody Allen with with his wife it's like well we've been together 40 years so it should be okay even though i met her when she was literally a child adopted by my wife at the time like that doesn't no yeah oh that's not that's not and it's like to make it worse too it's all for like the amy winehouse biopic that like looks terrible

oh she did this one yeah she directed it the one that's getting like trash so to make it worse this is what she's promoting it's like this really bad movie amy winehouse so it's like double homicide for sure yeah is he in it no he's not okay he's he's rumored to be james bond though so so he's like a big deal too yeah okay so he's like wow it's interesting well i guess in that sense yeah like in a way, you kind of get groomed, I guess. When you meet someone at such a young age, that's the whole point, right? Why older people like young people because you kind of mold them into who you want them to be. Yeah.

I wonder how old he was when he started acting too. Because she's also – she's the equivalent of an A-list celebrity, right? Oh, she is? Her whole world as a director is with those people in that world. He wants to be an actor. Now he's stepped into that world by marriage with her. That's kind of where it gets problematic. Interesting.

Because she hands him everything he ever wanted in a way. Yeah, but now he's like a big star, so you'd think he wouldn't need that. But the question is, you know, that's the grooming part. Like, is he feeling dependent on staying with her? Or did he use her to get to that point and then he leaves her? Either way, it's murky, you know.

Yeah, when you're young, you just go with... He is a child star, too. His first thing was when he was 11. What was it? His first credit. It was this TV series called Armadillo. I don't know. Love it. Check it series called Armadillo. I don't know. Love it. Check it out. Armadillo streaming on Vudu.

I just didn't know these people at all. Like I don't really know anything they've been in. I just keep hearing about them and it gives me the ick for sure. OJ.

R.I.P. I don't know. I don't know either. Rest. What did Caitlyn say? She said. Thank God he's gone or something. Oh my God.I.P. I don't know. I don't know either. Rest. What did Caitlyn say? She said. Thank God he's gone or something. Oh, my God.

Crazy. I get it. I get it. I get it, too. But damn. Wild. Wild. Let's get Kato Kaelin on the podcast.

He's making the rounds again. I did a movie with – it's so weird. I say I never did a movie, but I did this movie that I don't even think saw the light of day. Maybe I did. It was with Ron Jeremy, but Kato Kaelin was there, too. And now I can't think of the name of that movie, but I have a picture with him. And I was like, God, he's back around again. I don't even know I saw The Light of Day. Maybe I did. It was with Ron Jeremy. But Kato Kaelin was there too. And now I can't think of the name of that movie. But I have a picture with him.

And I was like, God, he's back around again. I didn't even know what he was famous for. I guess he's an actor. But I didn't know he was famous for staying at OJ's house or something. And I was like, oh, man, he's making the rounds again. I'll list your acting credits on IMDb and tell me if you think it's one of these. Okay. I love that.

Wait, am I on IMDb? You're on IMDb. You have a lot. How do I get on there? Really? Can people just do it like Wikipedia? Just enter it? Or do they have to be verified?

I have no idea. Oh my God, I live. Yeah. Oh my God. I think the productions themselves, they write it in. Really? I didn't think I was listed as anything on there. Well, you are on here in David's vlog TV series.

What? Two episodes. Okay, well. And all your music videos are in here as well. Wait, okay. So people must just be able to add them. Because there's no way. Blood Queens.

Blood Queens. Wait, Blood Queens. Wait, why does that sound familiar? Isn't that the Scream Queens? Oh, my God. What's her? Gabby Fancy Vlogs. What's her name?

Demartino. Oh, okay. I was like, wait, that does sound. Oh, my God. You're so good. Wow, you really are so good. It took me a second to get there. Wow.

Oh, that's right. I did act in that. Shout out Blood Queens. Okay. I'll read you from 2007 to whenever we get to it. 2007. Wow. Amy Winehouse, Tears Dry is on their own.

Not that. You're just a streetwalker. I was. Yes. Yes, man. You were the convention goer. That's true. That's actually true.

There was a lot of people at the convention, but I actually was there. Eminem, We Made You. You were Jessica Simpson. Tim and Eric, Awesome Show. Great job. You were Eric's date. That's actually true. There was a lot of people at the convention, but I actually was there. Eminem, We Made You. You were Jessica Simpson. Tim and Eric, Awesome Show. Great Job. You were Eric State. Yeah. The Ultimate Man.

You were Tracy. Oh, yeah. That was like a web series. Faster. You were an uncredited stripper. That's true. I saw The Rock. I was supposed to have an ice pick, and they cut my scene for real, but I did have a scene

with The Rock. Conan. You were a football player. Yeah. I was Diploma Doll. To Get Her her you were a fantasy girl to get her oh that was like a weird like low budget that was not it though that's not the one less savvy fave sleepless and silver lake you were maryland yeah uh modern family plastic surgery girl uncredited uncredited shane dawson tv you were a stripper oh shout out shout out. Gizas.

You're a bored blonde girl. God, what was that one too? God, I remember doing these because I was like background in a lot of these. That was 2011. It was a 4.9 out of 10. Is it out? Like, can you see me

in these movies? Like, I always wonder if they're like out because I did do a lot of like weird shit like that. I don't know. You're listening to the cast. I remember that name.

I just don't remember. God, I forgot all these. It was a comedy directed by Mark Jackson. Oh, he was British. Yes, I remember that name. I just don't remember. God, I forgot all these. It was a comedy directed by Mark Jackson. Oh, he was British. Yes, I remember this. Oh, it was weird. We shot in like people's apartments and stuff.

It felt a little sketch. But I always thought it was like a big deal. I was into like Edgar Wright at the time. I was into like all those shows like Huff Buzz. Oh my God, dude. This ain't Jaws XXX. Oh, that's one of them. Sex, drugs, and Randy Vaughn Stone?

You were a sex tape girl? Ooh, that might be the Ron Jeremy one and the Kato one. I think that might be it. Let's see. Who directed it? Ron Jeremy, yes. Oh, there it is. Boom.

We figured it. I was like, was like Jamie Kennedy involved or something? Or like who directed it? Dave Sheridan. Yeah, that's like Jamie Kennedy's like partner. Yes. And he was kind of like a big deal too so i thought oh this is like a big deal but did the movie ever come out i don't it doesn't have a rating so i don't think so does it have kate or was he just there i feel like he was the top cast is only you ron jeremy

and migali windmer as amy winehouse oh wow that's the whole cast that's listed here oh i have a oh my god please remind me to put this in the album I do have a picture with an Amy Winehouse lookalike it with in the same thing as the Duran Jeremy it's on my Facebook oh that's so funny wow was Amy Winehouse alive then like what year is it it's 2011 that is so weird yeah we were like in a hotel room but I thought it was in the up and up because Dave Sheridan had like an office with Jamie Kennedy so I thought it was kind of I don't know's so, but I swear there was like a Kato scene in there too somewhere. Like he was there. Oh, how funny. That's the one. Wow.

We nailed it. Sex, drugs, and Randy Vanstone. I always wanted to see like these movies because my scenes were so random and they were sketchy as hell. Like it literally was like a motel on like the side of the road. It's like, come show up. Like, I don't know. I don't even know what I did. I'm trying to think. I'm like like did i make out with him or something i don't know something weird i love your imdb page i mean i love that they have all this stuff because i kind of like the geezers i remember now i was like oh yeah i remember that british guy and like i want to say like we went on a date or something or we at least hung out after i don't know something weird kind of such a flashback trisha paytas actress producer director trisha paytas was born on 8th may 1988 in riverside california she's an actress

and producer she has been married to moses hockman since 11 december 2021 wow one child okay who wrote that i have no idea that's pretty good okay we love that imdb biography how funny love the three eights yeah abundanceundance. 888. Everyone has my angel numbers. I was born on an angel number, baby. I was 888. That's crazy. Okay. I love all the credits. I'm sure there's... That's actually so funny

because I did so many random films or whatever, but I never saw... I forgot about Faster with the Rock. I did do that one. That one was fun. And I saw the rock in person. And I talked to the rock. But did do that one. That one was fun. And I saw The Rock in person. And I talked to The Rock. But it's so weird. That was such a blur. I'm like, I don't even remember. That's so weird.

I wish they would do extended cuts like Wanderlust. I wish they would put out the scene. Because I did do Wanderlust and I'm like, I want to see that scene. It was on Universal. It was a big production. I'm like, damn, I want to see it. Literally everything I cut. That's so funny. Was Get Him to the Greekreek on there let me see let me go back because i think i was on that one too as an extra with russell brand and jonah helm no you have wanderlust horny birds

walk of shame family tree water and power lola's Love Shack, Beverly Hills Cop, Viral Video, Fat Chicks, Viral Video 2, If I Could Turn Back Time, Don't Forget Me, Shoulda, It Gets Worse, Showtime, Freaky. Oh, that's so funny. I wonder what the music is. Because some of those are like actual movies, like Water and Power and stuff. Yeah, it is wild. And it's David's vlog. I don't know how David's vlog got its own thing. That's crazy, yeah. Six feet under your music video. The Doctors.

I was on that. Blood Queens, Chicken Parmesan Heartbreak, and The Wrong Side of Mulholland Drive. That's so funny. I wonder who put those on there. Like production? Or they just... Maybe somebody wanted credit, so they put that as like a thing on there. OOT maybe. I didn't know you could do it that easily.

Trademarks. Fast talking voice. Oh my god. Love that trademark for me. Oh my god. That's so funny. Wow. Oh god.

I've actually been in lots of movies then. I would say I want to be in a movie but they never came out. I don't know. They were always so shady. I want to see it now. Oh my god. like the scene with Ron Jeremy like I can't remember what I did it's like so weird now and I remember it being shady like there was no script it's like improv and I was like okay like every movie I did was like that I was like just improv your lines like um okay no script to um no no speaking to because in when like looking back at your music videos

you were like oh just like you were acting so well and you were like oh i was just copying another actor i'm like what if you copied like meryl streep you could become like an awesome easily yeah for sure i could totally do it you just need the like movie and then i think you could do it oh for sure but i think i'd have to like play a role meryl streep played because you know what i mean like i was copying someone you have to to copy the exact Yeah. So I need to be in like the Deer Hunter or like one of those like Kramer vs. Kramer then I can just copy exactly what she's doing. I think that's the way to go. Yeah.

Did I have to like originate a role? Oh no. Definitely not. But I could copy for sure. Maybe Jennifer Lawrence. I could redo the Hunger Games. Oh my god. Did you know Dennis Quaid's son was in the Hunger Games? Jack Quaid? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Who did he play? He was one of the career tributes.

And then he killed Rue. And then Katniss killed him. That's wild. And Dennis Quaid was like, yeah, he didn't want my agent. He did it all himself. I was like, is that true? But he still has Jack Quaid. So he should have changed his last name.

I like him, though, because he also – when, like, the nepo baby thing was going on, he was, like, making fun of himself being a nepo baby. Oh, okay. So he was, like, in on the joke. Love that. Yeah. I know. When people take themselves so seriously it's like okay yeah shout out jack quaid i like him a lot he's on the boys on amazon prime what's that it's a superhero show don't like it i love dennis quaid i think he has a new movie coming out oh he's playing like ronald reagan or something which my dad like used to love ronald reagan i don't know why but we live close to the

museum have you been there My brother used to work there. Slay. What did he do? I have no idea. That's everything. I have no idea what he did there. I loved going there. He's telling Moses I want to go. He's like, why? I was like, it's fun. It's just like fun to go. I don't know. We used to make a trip up here to go to it. Didn't they have a plane in there? Yeah, the Air Force One. And you could take pictures. Oh man, I wish I had those pictures.

I was so fat every time I came off that. I was like, I looked humongous. Always. But I loved it. President's Day, they have like a whole reenactment. They have like President Lincoln come out. Like it's a whole thing. I liked it. Anyways, Dennis Quaid as Reagan. I love Dennis Quaid. I've seen him perform so many times in like little bars. I just think he's so great. What does he do? He like everything. I don't know if he acts. He pianos. No, he's like a good singer. Is he really?

I think my weirdness, my, this is the Jojo Siwa effect I have. I think I thought it was okay to date older men because Dennis Quaid was in a movie called Great Balls of Fire where he plays Jerry Lee Lewis. And Jerry Lee Lewis is a 22-year-old rock star who was kind of like Elvis at the time and married his 13-year-old cousin. And the 13-year-old cousin is played by a writer who was actually 18 at the time. But the sex scenes in that were like when I was a kid, because I saw it when I was a child, I was just like, oh my God, yes, I love it so much. Like it was crazy. They have like a whole scene of him like taking her virginity. And I was just like, I remember thinking like, this is it,

this is okay, whatever. And he was like a grown-ass man. I went to a writer and I was like this little girl in it. And I just remember being like, oh my God, yeah, that's what I want. That's like so hot. So I'm saying like the warpness girl in it. And I just remember being like, oh my God, yeah, that's what I want. That's so hot. So I'm saying the warpness of it all. I thought it was okay for so long. And I really did. I was like, okay, yeah, there's nothing wrong with a 13-year-old dating a – I was dating a 40-year-old. You know what I mean? But I think those movies kind of warp you. And JoJo too, it's like you have that warp sense of no, it's okay because it's hot. And I find older men attractive and whatever. And then you just look back and you're kind of like, ew. Even that movie, I'm kind of like, ew, why did they make a

movie about this? That's kind of like sick there's no really reason because at the end of the day it was a biopic and jerry lewis approved it because he like did the vocals so i was like so then they make him look good i'm like so why you know what i mean like again i'm not saying elvis whatever is right but he didn't marry priscilla and like supposedly they didn't have sex until 21 i get the 14 like the gross but i'm just saying like he didn't marry his her at 13 not to the 14, like, gross, but I'm just saying, like, he didn't marry her at 13. Not to say it's any better, but anyway, separating artists from what they do, right? What did you say?

Artists from? The art. Art, right? Okay, anyways. Kudos for spilling. Kudos, kudos, mama, for spilling. I'm really trying to get plain Jane. We're talking.

I feel like she's going to come on, but I also don't know if I'm going to give birth before she comes on. I have such a cute plain Jane outfit, We're talking. I feel like she's going to come on, but I also don't know if I'm going to get birth before she comes on. I have such a cute plain Jane outfit too. I have it like all planned out. He, normally he's not in drag when he does interviews, but I would love for him to come in drag. Yeah. Cause plain in, as like a drag character is kind of Trish coded.

Like the very, like, you know, it's just the curvy, like big boobs. Oh, I already have. Yeah. Big hair. Yes. Oh no. I live. Stripper kind of.

Oh yeah. The, my favorite one is the with the finger the burger finger well yeah but also the foam finger i love that one with her little jersey i love playing i hope she comes on she's just so pretty so i know i love her love her it's funny i literally started out like not liking her oh my god she's so mean right like live for her like that's my sister like i love sister but i do think do think of James Charles a little bit. Isn't that awful? Whenever he says it, I kind of think of James Charles. I'm like, sister. I kind of erase it.

Even when, because Tana says sister a lot now, and I kind of erase the James connotation. It'll always be James in my head, and I hate that, and he probably loves that. He probably thinks he came up with sister or something like that. But yeah, Jane is making me... We were supposed to have G on, too. And she's like, oh, I want to come on, and I wanted to come on, too. And I asked her first. But the whole dress scandal that I. And she's like, oh, I want to come on. And I wanted to come on too. And I asked her first.

But the whole dress scandal that I still got my $1,800, it's like I'm waiting to get this money back. The guy keeps DMing me and he's just like, oh, I don't have the money yet. I'm supposed to get the money soon. And I'm like, well, I gave you the money. Give it back. So I think it's just like having this thing because I really – when queens come on, I really want to dress like them.

And I just can't like doing another $1,800 to another person to make the dress. Maybe after I'm done being pregnant. Maybe that person will actually make my dress after I'm done being pregnant. Yeah. It will be easier. I don't know. I feel like I'm never getting it. But I want her on too.

But – and Jane. All of them. We love the queens. I love all the drag queens. We get into a little podcast drama. Which one? Not ours. Someone else's first oh my gosh i know i was like which podcast drama is it yeah we love drama that's not me um randomly with the pretty little liars podcast it's another one of those like rewatch i think it's the same kind of like podco is that what it's called

christy oh they're always in drama someone else had an issue with christy costa romano on tiktok they're like not me beefing with christy costa romano i'm like wow i was never beating with her i have no idea well um she or podco is starting a pretty little liars like watch back podcast which is like their whole thing is that right they just do watch back you know christy owns it yeah with her husband right husband, right? Yeah. I was like, all right. Money. And it's not the stars, though, of PLL. So it's like, okay. It's Lindsay Shaw, who's already on the Nesda classified one.

She's that girl that's with the two other guys. Oh, God. Everyone is just like, we're over that. Yeah. Oh, God. Was she on the show, too? She was a guest role. She played one of the girl's lesbian girlfriends. She was Shay Mitchell's girlfriend for a season or two.

And she was hosting a podcast about it? Yeah. With an actress, Tamin Sursak, who – have you seen any clips of Pretty Little Liars? No. She was a girl. She was blind. She had sunglasses and she had a little stick and she would stick around. It was very theatrical. It sounds like. She had sunglasses. And she had a walking – a little stick. And she would stick around.

It was very theatrical. It sounds like not a good show. It was not a good show. Not at all. At the time, I ate it up though. I was like, wow, this is everything to me. But it didn't age very well. But they started a new podcast called Pretty Little Podcast. But the name already exists.

And these two girls have already had this podcast. They've done over 100 episodes and they already have like merch and everything for this podcast oh but now um these two girls have started their own podcast and just like took the name and like are claiming it and they're allegedly supposed to have like you know uh pll stars like come in and talk about the show and stuff so obviously it's gonna like overshadow this podcast that's been up for like over 100 episodes but the original first of all the one that has all the merch over 100 episodes are they the first to have that title they're the first ones that had it yeah are you sure because i feel like there's so many like i think the trash

tuesday girls were originally bloodbath and then there's the bloodbath people like sue them and like no we're bloodbath but then someone else like was bloodbath before you like i feel like there's smaller ones that come out and they're like, I was actually this first. Do they have the trademark? The original one? I don't think they have a trademark. There's two girls that started their own podcast. It's not like a, you know, under like a company or production or anything.

I mean, no, that definitely sucks, especially for like the underdog ones. That's so annoying. But I think that's what everyone does with right like everyone says their names like we did oversharing with colina and trish because there's like 5 000 oversharing podcasts yeah just trish with trisha no there was someone i think there was like a trish podcast i think there's definitely been stuff with my name maybe dish with trish even was like a cooking show i don't know there's always something like i feel like there's always someone who has the name already so what's the tea are they just like sorry we're not backing down because pretty little podcast is a good name i mean they did pretty

little liars like that's a good name for the podcast yeah they basically just said that it's too late for us to change the name and then um oh they said that i'm sorry yeah because the uh tamon uh was responded because everyone was like trying to stand up for these two girls. The one that people don't like from Netsu Classified? No, the other girl. The blind. I think she can see in real life. Okay.

But she played the blind girl. Okay. Got it. Got it. She's saying. She's saying like, oh, it goes through the whole production company. So it's like too late for it to change. But then the two girls were like, okay, well, if it went went through a whole company wouldn't they like look it up and see that it

already exists with like 100 episodes i feel like it's like sometimes you don't see it for real like i mean i don't know i don't know do you know how big the other one is because sometimes i feel like you actually like may not see it if it has like merch and stuff already you have to kind of i mean everyone has merch like it could be 10 people watching episodes and enough for like it to be a thing like if people obviously the people who watch that podcast are the ones that like raised awareness for it so i think it was like an uproar it wasn't just these two girls being like that's our podcast name no because it got like written up and like articles and stuff so i think it has to be big enough to where it would

like you know make some noise it kind of gives me like jacqueline hill remember she stole like a website name for one of her companies from like another girl who was doing merch or whatever it was like the blanket or something yes yes i remember that and she was like another influencer had a following she was just like a lot smaller in comparison to jack i didn't know who you were because that's what i'm saying though i feel like jackson probably like really didn't know right because you would know not to just like blatantly steal people are gonna find that the lindsey and tammin the new pretty little podcast 2.0 they invited the two girls to come on their podcast, but they're like, well, we don't – because they're trying to make up for it. But it's like –

That's kind of a slay though because then it's giving them like an audience, right? Because they're like such a big podcast. So could they coexist? You can't have both or no? I don't know. I think it's hard when you have like the merch and stuff and you're doing kind of similar things. Like what if there was another – someone came up with like just trish but they kind of compare good luck try it

that's what i'm saying honestly like for real there is a more popular trisha like trisha yearwood or trisha the indian actress there's two trish is more popular than me if trisha yearwood was like i'm gonna do a just trish podcast i'll be like okay like we're not gonna have a crossover and she's more popular than me it's not like like it's like – and if anything, I think the confusion could help, right? Because let's say people are looking for Trisha Yearwood's podcast and they see me. It's like, oh, we'll watch this too. This person is entertaining. Like you're searching for one thing and finding the other, right?

Okay. That's a good way to look at the silver lining. I think because then it's like a little overflow or something. You see both. I'm honestly like if that's the drama, like, I don't know if that's much drama, but okay. It's not even started yet. Why don't you guys let them start? No one's listening to Ned's Classify, so I don't think they're gonna be

listening to pretty little. No shade, though. Like, for real, no. I know. I'm gonna be nice today, because I was like, let me be nice because someone called me a mean girl over the weekend. I'm like, I'm not a mean girl. It's the hormones. Whatever I say, I'm pregnant, so the pregnancy hormones. Did you see Mads Lewis?

Do you know who her? Yeah. Is he her boyfriend? No. Talk about how he said he was complaining because he only made $4,000 for a TikTok that got 15 million views. He spent one hour and he only made $4,000 on it. And it was not a brand deal just from like the creator program or whatever? It was just from the creator program.

Oh my God. Wait, oh my God, why? I need to know your take. Why would he – one hour? Yeah. That's crazy. Bad or good? Bad.

Like you're on his side? No, I'm like why – you spent one hour on a little tiktok what did he do in the tiktok i don't know it got 15 million views he spent one hour on it he didn't specify the tiktok i don't think i otherwise i would have looked for it wait i feel like you're on madeline's boyfriend's side no i'm not fair because you're like that's bad of him to like complain about it oh i think the money was bad like yeah that's bad because to spend like one hour and make four4,000. That's what I was going to say.

Just be happy that he gets 15 million views. I'll be happy with the views. Right, right. That's the whole point of TikTok is you don't make any money on there. I think I make – I don't even think I make $4,000 a month anymore off TikTok. And I get hundreds of millions of views on my TikToks. But yeah, they just don't pay. But that's like not the point of TikTok.

The point of TikTok is to get people into you, with you it's like literally like zero effort you know some of the tiktoks you know where it's like a lot of edit and it's almost like a show almost you know and they'll have like different backgrounds or there's one guy who does like magic trick it looks like a lot of vfx right right that's what i was expecting to see. What is he doing? He walks into a kitchen and his mom is eating – his mom and his brother are eating dinner. And he's like, tell me you're the middle child without telling me you're the middle child. He just walks into the kitchen and they're eating. And he made $4,000 off that. Kudos to you, mama.

But you should just be like, okay, cool. I made $4,000. You should be grateful. You shouldn't be complaining. The way he was saying it was wild where he's like cool. I made $4,000. Like you should be grateful. You shouldn't be complaining. The way he was saying it was wild where he's like it's only $4,000. Could you imagine if you got paid $4,000 for an hour long TikTok that you made? How long do you spend on your TikToks for your work? A few hours.

Okay. I'm trying to do the math. $4,000 is probably what I make in – A day. I like – No. Well, let me think of my like normal job because that's like easier I guess and like more relatable. So like my office job in almost a month, $4,000.

So that's 40 hours a week over probably but technically 40 hours a week. Wow. Yeah, like almost a month. So you would take $4,000 for one TikTok? For an hour yeah a hundred percent especially for this low effort like that's why like anyone who oh he's like a cute guy obviously okay this was i was thinking about this too when i was like pulling like influencer looks for like the when we review the coachella outfits and it was like noah back and all these like

little cute guys who just like are just that's their tiktok because i'm like being hot like oh look at me get dressed and i'm hot you know what i mean it's like you should look at me do a little dance and i'm hot it's like okay like it's so low effort which like kudos to you i love it kudos to your mom for being hot and being able to do that but then just don't complain because like literally what is it a what's 80 40 times for 160 160 hours is what it takes for you to make for you know what i mean yeah no i worked 160 hours for what you made in one hour that's actually insane yeah that actually is crazy that is crazy that's wild and then he's just like i only made this i'm like what doing the math oh my god that really sent me spiraling oh my god no no i think that's what everyone was like wait what and that's like

that's me i'm on like technically i guess the higher end of the spectrum you know what i mean when it comes to income yeah 880 hours that's oh my god crazy he was so mad. I was like, honestly, like, again, that's like good. I think I make maybe 3,000 on TikTok a month. And I get like 90 million views, I think, or something. So I'm like, that's kind of good, actually. I don't get that on one TikTok. Oh, my God. Oh.

The influencers are so out of touch. Out of touch. And I feel like they just forget that people, like you said, you're not even working like minimum wage, like, you know, regular nine to five. It's like a job that people would like you said you're not even working like minimum wage like you know it's like a job that people would like dream for you know what I mean and that's like oh my god yeah it's crazy I was like oh man when I saw that I was like wait is that like normal for like a tiktok I was like maybe I don't know but not for me either and I'm like an influencer and I don't like some people just need to be clocked and whacked and like

they just need like to have their income taken away for like a year to like work a real job to see like how hard it is because like – and I mean it real, real job, right? Because it's like it is so hard to earn money like when you're like waiting on people and on your feet and stuff like that. Like it really sucks your life out of you. I've always said this about working. Like it can suck the life out of you and it's like how out of touch. Like to make $4,000 doing like one TikTok is like actually insane.

And it's fine to think that but just never, ever say it. Literally never say it. I don't know if it's fine to think that. I don't think I want to be with someone who's like – No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think if I – I'm sure to like maybe to other people in this little like TikToker group, I'm sure they'll be like, yeah, that's man. But I think to like – to say it and have like normal people who work real jobs who are like oh for sure that no yeah who are not like

but even if I knew someone in real life like complain about like how much money they make doing this it's like me complaining about like oh my god I only made this much whatever I'll take a brand deal for a thousand I really don't care like I said I do cameos and I think I get like three hundred dollars like whatever I'm like that's that's I'll take it like it's just so it's so crazy to me that it's like something's so's I'll take it like it's just so it's so crazy to me that it's like something so easy and you get that much money and you're still complaining that's what I'm saying like I don't even think I want to be friends with someone like that I'm that'd be weird like I guess I knew some people would complain about money but very few people

I know do like influencers I think most of them know they're like lucky yeah but then when you see that kind of stuff you're just like oh my god these people those are the people yeah they just they need a reality check oh my god for sure I think Those are the people. Yeah. They just, they need a reality check. Oh my God. For sure. I think that's why people do get upset, like, with the Miquelas too. Being like, try being an influencer for dad. It's five o'clock and I just got off work.

I'm like, girl. Like, people in the hospital, like, saving people's lives at, like, midnight because they have to be called in. It's like, someone got shot. Someone's having a baby at 2 a.m. My doctor has to be there. And, like, literally doing the math as like far as like what people have to make like then if he did the math like about someone who makes

like minimum wage like how many hours they would have to work to make you know what i mean i have the math for that actually okay did you see i saw this on jesse on philip defranco did you see no do you watch him so it was like jc waters versus your fave hassan piker so i was like i told you i know jesse waters from Fox News because we went on this weird, like, I don't know if it was a date because I think it was married, but we went to dinner. I was like, no, but it was very weird. And so it was some Fox News guy. He's like a Fox News anchor.

And he basically said, you know, $20 an hour is the new minimum wage out here in California. So fast food workers are going to get $20 an hour. And he was basically like, they don't deserve $20 an hour, blah, blah, blah. He's like, okay, so $20 an hour, what is that? Like, you know, you make $100,000 in a month. And the guy who was like interviewing, what? In a year, sorry, in a year. And the guy that was interviewing him was like, actually it's like 40,000.

Like he was doing the actual math. And he's like, okay, but let's say they're married to someone who also works at the fast food. So they're making $100,000 a year together. And he's like, no, that's like only 80,000. Like his math was so not mathing. And his argument basically was just like, oh, they should be making $100,000 a year, first of all or not.

And that's if you're married to a fast food employee, which is like so random to even think about. But his math was so bad. And he was like, these people are so stupid and so dumb. And I was like – and they live – they're talking about California, right? Philip DeFranco is like, we live in California. Like $80,000 a year if you have two people is still like not enough money to like live. Before taxes. Before taxes. Yeah, so probably they have $60,000. year if you have two people it's still like not enough money to like before taxes before taxes

probably they have 60 000 cost of living fast food employees which are like probably the most thankless job but also do like the absolute most like they have to be standing and making food and just doing like the absolute most i'm just like these people have such bad takes don't worry hasan was like you dumb like whatever but but seriously sometimes they're so dumb like i'm not someone who's like i don't know like i'm not like a hater on Fox News. I don't know Fox News. I should be a hater. Maybe.

I don't know. Everyone hates them. I know that. But I was like, this is why. Like you're literally so stupid, so dumb. You make so much money doing whatever you do. I mean, $8 million, I think they said. I think he looked it up.

I think Ahsan looked up the salary. He makes like $8 million a year or something. This Jesse Waters. So it's like, how are you really going to be like fast food workers shouldn't be paid? It's not coming out of your paycheck, first of all. Even if it was, even if like we had to pay our taxes to pay fast food people, like they deserve more. Like it's just so, it's such a hot take. Like you make so much money and you're really going to be like fast food employees don't deserve $20 an hour. I'm like, you're psycho. Like you're actually insane. And then the fact that he

was just so dumb at the math because the person just told him $40,000 a year for one. So then he's like, okay, but you're married to someone that's like $ 100,000 a year. I'm like, where do you get that? Like such a dumb. I was literally looking at emails. I was trying to find like the original emails from him and I was like, I couldn't even like find them. But stupid. These people like minimum wage is like, and usually the minimum wage jobs are like really thankless jobs. And I'm like, these people are so dumb. And it's like, we went to Wendy's by the way, go to patreon.com. We went through the drive-thru three times. Moses was like, what were you doing for so long? I'm like, I'm going to go to the drive-thru.

It was a rush. It was a rush drive-thru. We went through three times to get different things. It was – I ate so much that day. That was actually crazy. You really didn't eat that much though. Oh my god. You were just full because you had breakfast.

Oh, we did. We had the french toast and bacon for breakfast. Then I had something at Costco. I had chips with Malibu at Costco, the ruffles. We went straight to Wendy's, had the 10-piece nuggets and fries, the dreams of cold, the cookies, the Cinnabon. But you only had a little bit of the dreams of cold, a little bit of the cookie, and a little bit of Cinnabon.

I ate the whole cookie. I ate the whole cookie too. The cookie is so good. It was so good. I love Wendy's. Shout out Wendy's. I had Wendy's, yes, Saturday because they sent us a $25 gift card. Oh, but didn't we have to like go't we have to go on an app or something?

You just have to add the code into your app. I knew when they said app. Yeah. I thought they were sending them in the thing. I'm like, where's the gift cards? And they're like, go download it on the app. It's more environmentally friendly, I guess. Oh, my God.

That was so complicated. I was like, where's the – I mean, it's fine. But dang. I should probably try and get mine. You should. I don't like using gift cards. I always feel weird. I know. But you can use it in the app and then you I should probably try and get mine. You should. I don't like using gift cards. I always feel weird. I know.

But you can use it in the app and then you can order the delivery in the app. This promo. Oh, I love it. Really? They deliver it to your car or what? No, they deliver it to my house. I think you order it through the app. Wait, really?

Yeah. They partner with like DoorDash, I guess, because I just did it all on the app and used my gift card. Oh, okay. Yeah. Shout out DoorDash. Shout out. We love to see that. we get into our lead story i didn't

think we're gonna even talk about it because i was like i don't want to add because i just thought it's like adding so much like i feel like it wasn't that much drama because of coachella and stuff like that but i i never had so much anxiety about a story because i guess i'm not really involved in drama like this so i was just like and i was having and i saw one tiktok with literally like i don't know 80 likes or something that's like trish is a mean girl and i was like no i was like i was like and i was like i just don't want to add more to the drama oh but i thought your response was good i saw a little like reddit post from you and i was like oh this is why we have oscar you're so good yeah because it did kind of make me sad so what part okay the whole thing that kind of happened

in case you missed it oh no santa talked about uncanceled your episode about how she reached out to britney broski after seeing her on theo vaughn to see if she would be a guest on our podcast and britney's reply was like you know my audience would hate me if i were uh to be on your show like extreme paraphrasing but yeah um she said i love you but yeah like yeah my audience were like something crazy so graphic and that's my first time hearing about it too like on the show it's not like they prefaced me and told me any of this stuff I was just like okay yeah yeah and then it quickly became like a Tana versus Britney thing and that element kind of made me sad because I feel like it's a bigger issue and there's like a

better discussion around it like so seeing it quickly become like oh canceled fans versus like uh broski nation i don't i think that's what our fans are called and then like seeing like britney's comments get a lot of like oh you think you're too good for canceled like stuff like that i didn't see that that's what that's what i thought mostly hate towards tana which made me like sad i didn't know it was like both ways it was kind of like this little like war sad all around like it's sad all around because because truly i think it. It was like both ways. It was kind of like this little like war. So it's sad all around. I'm sad all around. It's sad all around. Because truly, I think it came from too, like even talking about it, like came from like hurt, right?

Totally. Because she's, they're friends too. They like see each other out. They're friends. They're always cool with each other. I don't know Brittany. I never even had a conversation. Never saw her out.

Nothing. But I think that was like kind of the hurt, right? Is like they're kind of friends and also they're fans because they're like, oh my God, it's so funny on Theo Vaughn. You know, just like us. Wait. Wait. But I think before we go into that, well, anyways, go ahead. You can keep going. But I was like, because I just discovered Brittany only because of the crossover of our audiences because literally, I think it was last year since we started this podcast,

everyone was like, Brittany Broski, Brittany Broski. And I wasn't too familiar with her, but then the first things I saw of her was with Trixie. And I was like, oh my God, yes, Trish Cote, I love this. So I didn't know much about it. But I just know with Crossover specifically, like that's our number one requested guest. Yes. But then your Reddit post, and you put it eloquently. But you said something like that she, did she reject us? Yes.

Wait, did you not tell me? No, because I didn't want to make you sad. I literally was like to Moses. I was like, wait, I just thought she like ignored us. And that's what we talked about on cancel i'm like you know what leave me on red all day long because a rejection is is horrible mine was better because it was through the pr so what was the pr what what do you mean i reached out to her publicist oh yeah what was the response i mean because i can first of all let me also clarify it was nice it was like the i mean they're very professional it was like and i i was like with any rejection that's why i understood tana any rejection like definitely

is like oh i've never been rejected either so when i saw it when you're like we the initial sting hurt us and i was like wait did we get rejected i just thought we never heard back which i know well thank god because i was just like oh my god thank god you didn't tell me because i do take let me also be known like i'm such an emotional reactionary person which is why i'm glad you did the reddit because like when, when she told me, my initial reaction is because I, like, love Tana so much, I was just like, that's so mean, you know, like, I didn't, like, I didn't, like, think, right, I didn't think anything, I wasn't trying to be, like, a mean girl, I wasn't trying to instigate whatever, I was like, that's so mean, because I think I did say something then,

like, you know, I was like, that's so mean, like, you know, whatever, like, I think I said she's been on Problematic Podcast, I don't know, I think I got a little, like, too maybe feisty for it, but I really wasn't, I wasn't out of that place. It's like, I'm so emotional where now I can like remove myself and be like, okay, I've also been the Britney in the sense of like, I rejected a podcast one time and I was like so rude. I talk about this all the time.

I was like so rude to the, I think it was like the assistant. And I was like, and I didn't know, I thought it was my people and it was like her people, the podcast that I rejected. And I was like so mean for no reason. I was like, ew, I can't stand her. Like what? I was like her people, the podcast that I rejected. And I was like so mean for no reason. I was like, ew, I can't stand her. Like, I was like so mean. So I've been on the Britney side too. And I actually like see, I don't know, probably Britney doesn't want me to say this, but I

see a lot of myself in Britney in the sense of like, you know, you, okay, anyways, not to get whatever, but that part of the being whatever. I also don't know Britney's sense of humor because I don't watch her podcast. So like the, her reply to Tana, a lot of people were saying that's her sense of humor. So I guess so that all of that with that reaction, my reaction anyways, I was just kind of like, oh man, Brittany told this mutual friend of mine that like, for no reason, just like, no, people don't like me and stuff. And I was just, and this was recent. This was like a few months ago. And I just remember being like so hurt by that. I think I maybe told you, I don't know if

I told you. Yeah. Well, it was just remember being like really hurt. Cause I was like, you know, I try and change like everything. Did my image for myself, for my family, like all this stuff like that. I've been just trying, right, for so long. And so to hear someone I don't know say that, I think my initial, I already had that bad taste in my mouth. And I never said anything because like, again, people have the right to like dislike me. I get why I leave a bad taste in people's mouth. But to hear from like a mutual friend that she was also like not talking nice.

So anyways, that was my issue. And I feel like they didn't know that. So I feel like them telling me, I had this like initial reaction to be like, that's so mean. Like, you know, she's not perfect either. So just to clarify that, but I totally get Brittany's side. Anyways, back to that. So what does the publicist reject us for? They just said like, well, we're going to kindly pass on Brittany's behalf with a quickness, but I appreciated the response. That's it. Perfect. And I feel like that could have been a good response to Tana.

Because I think Tana even says in the same episode that Theo replied back to her when she asked to be on the podcast. And he was like, I'm all potted out. And that was like, I don't know if you saw that part. And so she was like, oh, like, you know. And like, yeah, I feel like that. So again, I don't watch Britney's podcast. So I don't know.

Maybe that's her sense of humor to be like, oh, my God. They would. She said something so graphic. And I can't remember. Like, they would, like, decapitate me or something. Something crazy. And so I think that's my my initial reaction was like that's so mean and I think again just like on Tana I don't want to like speak for her but I think it really did come in place of like her it wasn't like trying to be like because she

still like loves her and she still like wants her to be on the podcast and I think they are like friendly where they have like each other's phone number and their friends out in public and I think that's even worse right Brittany like talking crap about me to somebody I get it she just sees me as like a character or whatever or my past or whatever so like yeah it hurt me even though I'm not like friends but if it's someone that you're friends with and they're like I love you but absolutely not because like people would hate me I would be like a little offended but anyways you had a good run of post-baccy no hate to britney honestly like seriously like i swear to you i was like very much like love her like you know if my

audience loves someone i'm like yeah i'm gonna love them too and i watched her with trixie and i was like yeah she's very trish coded like whatever um i don't know but anyways okay no i like britney a lot too and like i've watched a lot of her youtube videos and stuff and i don't know i just always thought she was very funny and like kind of like just like a relatable, fun time. You know what I mean? Right. And she also talks about like how – Tana talks about me. The audience is very girls, gays, and days.

Yeah. It is very that. There's podcasts that have that as their audience. And she says always that's her audience. So – Yeah. And because so many people would just like ask us all the time like since we started that britney was like you know the the one the most requested because she's like absolutely like

anti-straight men like we are and stuff like that like oh i hate men yeah why me and she doesn't hate men i mean she's obviously like on all these male podcasts again fine and i again i say i like actually see myself so much in her and like i like to be i don't know what it is just cool with the guys vlog squad you know whatever i was very much that not to say she's not cool with girls but you know she obviously doesn't have a problem with i have a problem with straight men i'm very much whatever that's a whole other thing but yeah i think like the because i normally write like not wanting to do a podcast like it's like okay like you know depending on the reason like no one is obligated to do anything they don't want to do obviously yeah i think it's just the why like a lot of like tana was her obviously a lot of like

tana's fans were her it's because like okay they are friends like privately not publicly and then thinking about who like britney has collabed with in the past it's like what or like even publicly like talks about and like um kind of promotes a little bit, like, what is the difference? And, like, really, it is, like, a gender thing, because, and this is not, like, attacking Britney at all, because I didn't want it to be, like, a Tana versus Britney thing. It's, like, okay, the fact that her audience would be so upset if she collabed with Tana, but then, like, you know, she talks about Mattie Healy a lot. She loves Mattie Healy, and Mattie Healy has said a lot of stuff, but then this past year, that's, like, very offensive, like, racist, problematic, then it has said a lot of stuff but then this past year that's like very offensive like racist problematic then it's like okay but then like she's oh he's a

singer okay whatever and then theo vaughn theo vaughn has platformed a lot of people who are like very homophobic and racist he's talked about his jokes with like the n-word and stuff but then it's like oh well he's a comedian okay like there's always just like a modifier for everything yeah who like has like a whole bunch of off like things in his past yeah and then but it's like there's always like an excuse for like all these guys it's like oh that's their humor or their comedian or their musician tana's like at the end of the day like tana is an entertainer and i just don't think any like obviously there is some like i'm not excusing some of the problematic stuff, you know, like the death to all of them, to the wine tour lady. You know what I mean?

Like I'm not excusing that. I think that's Wendy. I got it. Yeah. Not excusing that. Yeah. But like if you're okay with collabing with like men then who have done like way worse, like why is like Tana an absolute no? I like the – especially like the homophobic stuff.

I feel like you're just more sensitive to your audience, right? Like I got an offer last year for Piers Morgan. He was going to come do like a sit-down interview. And I was just like, yeah, absolutely. Piers Morgan is so like mainstream. I loved him from like America's Got Talent. I was like this is so huge. But then when I found out like a lot of homophobic stuff, he said something like, well, I don't

really want to like offend my audience that way. You know what I mean? Like you did something. And so I feel like a lot of straight people, they get away with like those homophobic stuff he says i'm like well i don't really want to like offend my audience that way you know what i mean like you did something and so i feel like a lot of straight people they get away with like those homophobic remarks like you said pass it off as like oh he's a comedian and stuff like just really um so i think in general like if she's taking her audience into consideration like she told hannah because she really said like i love you but my audience would basically hate me if i did it or whatever and then of course audience getting offended like no like this is because i know it's like a perfect again she doesn't have to do it obviously, but like it's,

it is a crossover audience because when we see the top podcast right at the end of the year, last year, it was always Brittany Broski, Trixie and Katya. Like mine was up there to cancel. Like it was always, I always saw like the same four. And so like, obviously there's crossover audience. So it's kind of odd, but like your Reddit post was was so like i saw it pop up a thing on tiktok because i'm like not on reddit i was like oh no what did oscar say because you the first sentence was like i don't know if i should get involved or i don't know if i should say or i don't know if i like what did you post on the canceled reddit or reddit on the canceled one and that was the one where like a lot of the fans were like okay like being like really mean towards britney and like

comment like wanting to like spam britney's comments and then a lot of them too were like and i know she passed on trish because people had asked me in a live stream and i was like yeah i was coy about it i was like i think she's just too busy we did try but you know maybe i didn't even know they said no but people were taking that and being like this is why she this is the real reason she wouldn't go on both me and tana are like i'll just speak for myself but i'm kind's like right there with me are like hyper aware like I'm hyper aware of why people like would not like me like I'm shocked at the people that want to come on my podcast I'm always like really like what so I'm like hyper aware with that for sure and um we have no connection do you know what I mean like me and Brittany have no connection as opposed to I think her and Tana they have

they've been they're out they're friendly you know they've been friends and stuff like that so I think it's like a little bit cuts a little like deeper and stuff like that but um yeah it was kind of yours was so great because that is like a good discussion and we talked about this the whole kind of theme of this podcast that ended up being that it's like internal like misogyny sounds so like dark i guess that's like wrong but i have it too i still have it as we talked about right like it's like um the way i would side with sasha over rebel you know, it's just like, or I don't like Meghan Markle, but like, you know, what all this stuff, it's like, it is a little bit, and it's kind of just what you're like, I don't know, prone to think as like a woman. I don't know. Like,

honestly, I didn't even want to, I felt really bad being involved because I do feel like I'm an emotional reactionary person where no matter what Tana tells me, I'll be like on her side. But also this one too, I think because I had a little bit of bias with Brittany not already liking me to a mutual front, it's kind of like, and so I've already, I think because I had a little bit of bias with Brittany not already liking me to a mutual front. It's kind of like, and so I've already, I've always like kind of harnessed that even then. I think that's why I had so much anxiety over the weekend is that's kind of like, oh man, you know, it's like, I don't know. And also like, again, being now that I'm older, I'm like 35 or 25. It's like, I've been on all the sides.

I've been on the side of like being exposed, like private messages and stuff like that. But it's like being the one to messages and stuff like that but it's like being the one to like say something not that nice to like rejection and but again I guess if it's like they're friends maybe that is like her sense of humor I don't know but I get why it would hurt Tana I don't know but maybe that's just how she is you know some people are just so like blunt and so like yeah I think dramatic I could see this is totally me projecting but like if I was in Tana's situation it would be like the context like oh she just did Theo Vaughn and like knowing all the other like people that she supports or has been on it's like okay how am I worse than all these other people you know what I mean oh

it's definitely a hurt and I know I know for a fact she was like hurt hurt by it um I get it and it does suck and like you said the whole Tana then versus Brooke I just saw more hate on Tana I guess I didn't see I'm sorry Tana versus Brittany I didn't see any of the other I just saw a little bit and like luckily it kind of like died down that's why i was kind of like maybe we shouldn't talk about it but then i kind of felt bad that i was like even there and like a part of it and said anything because then people like that mean girl and i was like ah like sorry like it's a very like tricky thing to navigate and that's another thing too i feel like you can have like that surface level like you know girl versus girl thing but if you look at

like the deeper reasons like everything else it's like why are you know people like conditioned to like be harder on girls or feel like you can't really collaborate with girls but then like men and it's not that's why also it's like the men that she's like collaborated with or like supports whatever it's like they're all popular and really successful so it makes sense why she would do it you know what i mean or why her team would also agree because it's not just her right she has like a lot of people behind her and stuff but it's not like right and link it's like controversial people that have a lot um we still love and that's why i never talked about that incident either like with the britney because it's like people ask all the time and we always are just like we love her and it's true i really do and i think like

she's killing it and i think it is hard to be a female like you said period, and be criticized for everything you do. But, you know, you really have to think about it. Like I said, with the Piers Morgan thing, I was like, oh, man, yes. And I was thinking – even Joe Rogan. I was like, what did I say that day? Like a couple weeks ago. Or who – oh, Elon Musk. I was like, I love Elon Musk.

And I was like, you know, he's like – and so like seriously, really? Like if he was like, yeah, I'll come on your podcast. Like so many of my audience was like so upset by it that I was like, there's no way. Even if I got like a billion views, I'm like, I really don't think I could do that to like my audience who's like so loyal. You know what I mean? For one episode for this person who's like transphobic. You know what I mean?

Like allegedly. I don't know. I think he is. I don't know. I'm pretty sure. Okay. So yes. No.

No to Elon Musk. But it is. Yeah. It's a weird thing. And yeah, like he's a guy. So I don't know. It's like one of those things where I'm very'm very much that's why I see myself in it where I'm like or Theo or Joe Rogan they have so much power and so much pull and you're just like yeah I want to

be like with them and you know get their audience totally yeah and at least to Britney's defense too like the Theo Vaughn thing like he was saying I didn't watch the whole thing I just saw like a couple little clips and he would say like some out-of-pocket stuff or whatever and then Britney would like hold her ground and like you know stick to like her beliefs yeah I saw the clip about Matt Rife where he was kind of like brushing off the Matt Rife thing he's like did it get canceled I just know that girl was being crazy or something is what Theo said which was like wild and then she's like wait what no his whole special was about like hating women and she did like so yeah that's you know yeah yeah that's something to be said for it too so um yeah i still i know there's a

ton of people like that don't like me for whatever reason like i'm polarizing whatever so it's like i never held it against her um and i still don't and i still love her and she still can come on the podcast because you know whatever we love you and like my crossover and that's what i was saying too like my thing is too is like instead of like seeing all like the mean comments back and forth like you know satana's way to britney's way like I think if you this is such like a you know kumbaya Barbie movie thing but like if you support a crossover whatever and you want to see like two people collaborate like I think instead of going to someone's comments being like oh you think you're too good like the better way to actually make a change would be like hey like we I watch

both of your podcasts and I would really like to see you collaborate. Like that's a lot of those comments. I did see a lot of those where they're like, I'm I'm both. I want to see the crossover. Like, we're not going to be mad at you. So, yeah, it does suck. It became and so many and so many people had so many opinions about it, which I forget how big canceled is.

Like our podcast is cute for sure, but podcast gets like a million views per one episode of just them talking. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's like so crazy how it is because like you said we've talked about people oh we talked about something beforehand where we talked about someone and no one cared but then we meant this gets much non-canceled and it's like wait but we talk about all the time so I guess it's like this whole thing so um and I know for a fact I know for a fact I can say this whole hard like kind of like actual girls girl like loves like girl influencers she loves to be with like you know all of them so it's like I think it really was just like out of place of like hurt and stuff like that. And I feel like

that's the only reason I was brought up. I don't think she would have brought it up if it like didn't bother her. So I think it's like eating. It's kind of like, like I said, the thing where she meant talk to a mutual friend of mine, it kind of was like eating at me for so long. And then that happened and I was just like, that's so mean and stuff like, cause I, you know, I just like brought up all those like feelings again. Cause that's all I could think of. I'm like, I haven't heard anyone talk bad about me to anyone in like so long and then that of all things I was like oh no and it made me like so sad but anyways but it happens at 25 I was just like I was worse than all of it I was exposing everyone for like the littlest things and I was talking about everybody and every

influencer especially girl influencers oh my god I was like such a hater I was just like they only have it because they're dating this person and then yeah and still to this day you guys see it sometimes where I'm a little bit harder on women and I totally get that and we're like – I feel like I'm really like brainwashed into thinking that like, you know, I don't know. It's weird. But we love – I love – I do. I really love Brittany.

Like the fact that she – oh, okay. Woo. We're wrapping up. Oh my god. It's so long. So yeah. No. I love all of it and yeah, collab with who you want to collab with and I don't know. That's so long. So yeah. No. I love all of it. Yeah.

Collaborate with who you want to collaborate with and I don't know. That's it. Yes. Okay. Hold to your morals. No double standards. Not just – look, everyone. Viewers too.

I'm like a big double standard person over here. I say and do different things still. I try not to. I really try not to. But it's hard. We're all human especially when you're 25 and trying to be an up and coming influencer. And like I mean she's pretty established. But I'm just saying like you're trying to get more audience. You really kind of. And hold on to

it. I think it's a big thing too. Yeah. You want to stay relevant. It's hard to hold on to it. And Theo's huge. Like Theo's a big one and you know whatever. I get it. I get it too. So. But just give everyone a little grace and Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for watching. That was good. And you have a great. You had a great Reddit post. Thank God for Oscar keeping us all just a little like grounded great you had a great reddit post thank god for Oscar

keeping us all just a little like grounded you had a good voice for us I was like okay I like that yeah that's why I was like

do we talk about it and you're like yeah that's how I was like okay if you're saying because at first I was like maybe we just don't even like acknowledge die off

yeah but that's not what we do here how do I just address it head on address it you speak very eloquently on it I just ramble I get heated

not even heated it's just so emotional so if speak very eloquently on it. I just ramble. I get heated. Not even heated. I'm just so emotional. So if I talk too fast, it's almost like just – there was a thousand thoughts in my head this weekend that I wanted to say and I was just like, okay, let me just get it all out, whatever, and hopefully it made sense. Yeah. We like everyone, so that makes it easier too. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Who don't we like? Well, it doesn't matter. We got to wrap it up. I'm like, we probably don't like everybody. Well, I mean everyone involved with this little drama whatever oh for sure that girls all the way I'll never like 35 now I'm never like gonna hate on a girl ever you know what I mean even though they hate on me even like Trisha's the worst like I totally

get it you know that's why I never whatever and I still not like hating I was just explaining why I would like had this like a little bit of bias there but it's like I really don't hate and honestly I think she's crushing it and killing it and I love it so also I'm 35 and they're young and 25 and just living their lives all right lord knows who I was plowing with at 25 don't even go there just it's all wild it's all bad love you guys so much thanks for watching Jess Trish and we'll see you in the next episode send a podcast up on patreon on Wednesday see you guys peace