Just Trish - Confronting Joey Graceffa About ESCAPE THE NIGHT, Shane Dawson & Colleen Ballinger

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

It's been a long time coming, but Joey Graceffa finally joins Trisha to address the many awkward moments between the two. From being blacklisted on 'Escape the Night' to infamously getting uninvited to his Christmas party, Trish is demanding answers. Plus, why did Oscar have to eat dog treats and beg for a puppy while working for Joey? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oscar is here! Why would you, why would you do this? Oh, is there, is there an issue? I get her so mad she's never invited, but actually is invited. Clock the T, that's actually so true. When I let the dogs out in my backyard, I literally in a circle and be like, I am protected. Yeah!

Oh, I peed in a circle for sure before. I did that all the time and it's helped. I feel like around this house it's helped so much for sure. I did the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of time and it's helped. I feel like around this house it's helped so much for sure. I did the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection. And it worked. Do you think traders ripped you off? I don't know. Hello and welcome back to the Desh Trish Podcast.

Today we have OG YouTuber and probably our number one hot topic we talk about every episode. He's here in the flesh means he doesn't watch the podcast. No, I do. I do. every episode. He's here in the flesh means he doesn't watch the podcast Joey or something. No, I do. I do. I don't know. I feel like it's always cute, Shady, but I'm always like, I don't know about Joey. Listen, how did our friendship begin? That's so true, me being Shady. You were like my number

one hater and then we became friends and then it's full circle. Back to hating. No, you were actually so nice. I always talk about that. How like you were probably the first person to be like, because I had a bad reputation and you were the first person to be like, okay, I'll give Trisha a chance. No, I could see through it.

Like I know you have like the biggest heart and I want to say like I knew from the beginning that you were the sweetest. Oh, really? And regardless of what people said in my comments about like collabing with you, I was like, she's iconic and everything and I don't care what you guys say. One day, you will get on board, and they did. Yeah, finally. That's 10 years later.

I loved, no, I loved collabing with you because you were the first, like, wholesome, unproblematic person that I collabed with, and I felt like once I had your seal of approval, I was like, dang, I'm in. And not really. I wasn't really in, but I loved it. I feel like we should start, And Oscar's here today, everyone. Oscar's here. The lore runs deep.

I know. Do they know the lore? I don't know if they know the full lore, which I always think is kind of funny. But also, when we were talking, because I always want to see Juan. And I was like, is it awkward? Is it weird? No. I know.

She always thinks, why? Are you going to be awkward when you see him? I was like, no. Well, because like, OK. So I asked Oscar to be a part of this podcast in summer of 2023. And he's like, and I'm like, I didn't really know what you were doing. To be honest, I didn't know you worked at ET. Definitely didn't know you worked with Joey.

So I was just like. I have like 20 jobs. Yeah. I'm running everything. Yeah. So he's like, well, I kind of like produce and edit for Joey. And I was like, well, I kind of need you to produce and edit for me. Like, can you do it?

But he was so busy. He said your videos took so long. Well, yeah. I feel like we started with mostly just like vlog and like random content. Like one that I think of is the cake video where I like. Oh, yeah. I know this lore. Five bakeries like bake me a cake.

And he freaking like became one of the bakers secretly. Oh, really? You baked a cake? It's a twist within a twist. I always do a little twist with Joey's videos. I love to troll him like whenever I could just to rile him up. Yeah. Because he reacts well.

Like you react well when someone's like messing with their head. Definitely. So you gave me a budget for like these cakes. And meanwhile, the example was Rosanna Pansino. And she had like these like busts that were made out of cake. Well, yeah. Of her face. That's what I thought was going to happen is like I thought these bakers were going to make me as a cake.

Oh, yeah. And so when he showed me the cakes and they were just like simple, basic cakes. Like two tiers. Oh, wait. No one did a face of you? No. Oh, wait. What?

So I was like. That's just changing the concept. That's just like, we're not even going to do what you asked for. No, but it ended up being so funny. And he snuck in a cake that he made without telling me. Was it good? Yeah. It was.

Could you tell the difference? Honestly, some of these bakers were charging like thousands of dollars. Okay, not thousands. A couple hundred. Embellishing queen of embellishing some people do a thousand for the kids birthday it's like a thousand dollars for their cake so yes some of them are wild no for real so you were doing that okay so stuff like that but then it became i was doing white wall content where it was kind of like social experiment jubilee cut videos yes and that was way more involved like that took days for you to edit yeah because

we'd spend like a whole day shooting like what four episodes yeah and then each one would take like a week of like eight hours a day editing because they were so involved and also like it was new for you to edit like he had never edited that style so like other editors who do that could do it quicker but yeah yeah this was like a learning curve for him so it's like a full week yeah because even editing like i feel like i was a casual editor but i learned a lot from him obviously like i don't know you would give me notes and i just became better through editing for him because i didn't really have much editing experience before i worked but you always had the eye like he always would make things so much funnier. Yeah, yeah. And like he would be the voice of my cat Sakura in my vlogs, my pet vlogs. Like a voiceover?

No, he would put like these nasty little subtitles where my cat would read me because it was actually him reading me. The little side eyes of our cat. Yeah, but the little text that he'd put on screen calling me like a twink and whatnot. Oh my god. But that's kind of a compliment. No, it kind of is. That means you're tiny. I'm ready.

We love a little twink. I think that's what, yeah, Oscar was the best. We lost him as well because he got too busy for us editing. So we have a different editor now. But he was really good and great. But what happened was at the beginning, and then there was one time right at the beginning, he goes to Hawaii for his birthday every year. Oh, right. And I get a text from Joey. I was like, I haven't heard from Oscar. Have you? And then I'm texting him. I'm like, do I tell Joey that I've heard from you? Like, I think he's worried. Like, I don't know. And then we're in this like triangle and then it became like crazy. And then one day you're like, well, I don't work for Joey anymore. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, did I poach you? Is that okay? Or

did you let him go? Or like what was the tea? So my content was like dwindling down. I was kind of like shifting gears a little bit and I just didn't have the work really for him anymore so like I had him on like a monthly retainer and I was like honestly it's like not making sense for me anymore to like pay you this amount when I just don't have the work for you yeah cause we went from like daily on the vlog channel and then like what

like once a week on his main channel and sometimes I wouldn't post at all so I was like like let's just do like per video thing. And so it was kind of like perfect timing that like this opened up and like you could take him in. We switched. It was great. It was perfect timing.

And we're like so lucky to have him. But now really you're just like co-host at this point, which is like great because it started out as like producer, editor. And then now it's just like full on co-host, which is wonderful. Now we have Jimmy and all that thing, but okay, good. That's why I'm glad.

I was like, wait, is this so weird? She always thinks it would be awkward. Wait, should we pretend? Should we do a skit? Yes. Come on.

Just be like, oh, so what do you think? Oscar is here. Why would you do this? Oh, is there an issue? I mean, yeah. I mean, he saw a sinking ship and he jumped. Wow.

Okay. That's so real. I can't believe it. That was so real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. This was your audition for Escape the Night. Speaking of, let's get to that.

I think that's why you've been my public enemy. It's this weird thing. Not a public enemy. Public enemy number one. This comes up a lot, yeah. And it's always like she'll think she's why even my public enemy. It's just weird seeing. Not a public enemy. Public enemy number one. A lot. Yeah. And it's always like she'll think she's over it. But then there's a new Escape the Night headline that comes out.

I'm never over it. Because I think now. Because thankfully people like me now. It's very great. But it's like I get a lot of tags. Like oh Trisha should be in Escape the Night movie. And I'm just like never. Because they never wanted me when I was not popping.

And so now. Not that I was asked. But I always see that. And, because they never wanted me when I was not popping. And so now, not that I was asked, but I always see that and it triggers something in me that Gabby Hannah was asked twice when you didn't even like her the first time. And I was like, how? No, I'm not. We reacted to Escape the Nightmare, by the way.

And we love Gabby now. She's like, apologize. I was like you, where she did a public apology and I was like, I accept it, even though it was not to me. Or you, really. You're like, I accept it even though it was not to me. Or you, really. I know. You're like, I accept it. I love her.

Honestly, I just wanted to move on from that. Yeah. So I was like, honestly, I accept it because I really didn't harbor too much like negative feelings towards her. Yeah. After like I said my piece and like people sided with me. I was like, okay, good. Fair.

Yeah. Period. Period. I'm done. You did eat. We reacted. I think it's coming up on Patreon this week. We reacted to your video reacting to her escape the nightmare.

I was fired up. I remember it so vividly. You edited that one. We did go through. He's like, oh yeah, this is where I cut this out. You really did eat. She kind of ate though too. We were kind of going back and forth.

There were some good points in hers too. So watching it now, so many years later, I was involved with it i was involved with it yeah you were the whistleblower put a finger down that's my favorite clip i was so angry at it too i was so mad you just kept going while your head is up i do apologize i kind of went in on for no reason i was not a part of skate the night i wasn't a part of gabby hannah's lore like i did go in for no reason. That I do apologize for. Why was I so mad at something I wasn't even involved in? I loved it.

So, Escape the Night. Daniel was here. He did fill in a sin. There are some things, like the Christmas party, Escape the Night. The Christmas party, Escape the Night. Being uninvited. Yeah, being uninvited to the... Christmas party, Escape the Night. Not being invited to. You were uninvited from Yes. Yeah, being uninvited to the. Christmas party, comma, escape the night. Not being invited to.

You were uninvited from the Christmas party? I wasn't invited in 2019. Yeah. Didn't know that. Yeah. And I think in the Gabby video, she talks about it. Yes. And Daniel replies, oh, it wasn't about you.

It was about Trisha's not invited. But then Gabby buys a Christmas present, and she ends up not getting invited to that Christmas party either. So she was like, Daniel, you told me it was Trisha, not me. But Daniel really was both of us. He was just throwing me under the bus. Do you remember this? Literally no recollection of this.

Really? That's probably a Daniel thing. Daniel was the drama, wasn't he? He was. Yeah, Daniel. He was the drama. Here, I didn't know. I think he might have been one of our more controversial guests here.

Really? Yeah. People were like, weirdly like, oh, Daniel. Which I think he's just under the radar, sweet, you know what I mean? And then people kind of were, I don't know, people were a little divided. I mean, he says it like it is, to be honest. Too real. Like, yeah, I think he

says what a lot of people are thinking, to be honest. Yeah. I think that's why I like him. He's kind of sassy, but maybe too real sometimes. I think so. Yeah. He also loves stirring the pot, though. Like, I think back in the day, not as much anymore, but, you know, he used to love, like, tweeting, like, subtweeting, and everyone knew what you were talking about.

We know who you're talking about. Oh, my gosh. A hundred percent. Which, how did you guys even date? Because you're so not drama, and he's so the drama. I think I kind of liked that, though. Like, he brought a lot out in me, like, as, like, a person and, like, my personality. Because I feel like I was, I let people, like, walk over me and stuff.

And he really, like, taught me a lot of ways to protect myself. Set boundaries. Yeah. And also to, like, be a little snippy at times. Can you be? I feel like you're so not. No, I definitely can be. In real life? Yeah. And also to like be a little snippy at times. Can you be? I feel like you're so not. No, I definitely can be. In real life? Yeah.

Wow, this is a new joy. I don't know. I feel like I've never seen you ever. But I think it's the Taurus. Like I think us, like it takes a lot to get us to a place of like getting fired up. But when we do, we unleash. Yes. Taurus with mental illness over here. So I have both going for me.

So it is true. I'm a little too. Yeah. I think now I'm more like that. It does take me a lot to get riled up. But when we do, it's like unleash for sure. Oh my God, yeah. But you are always so like calm. When you and Daniel broke up, did you feel lost?

Because I feel like in a way, and I mean this like in a good way, like me and Moses, it's like that same sort of relationship where he, like, is just so organized. Like, I remember I'd come over to your house and he'd, like, have stuff set up and he'd have the waters and he'd decorate and he'd, like, he, like, kept you, like, together. When you guys broke up, were you, like, oh, my God, what do I do? How do I take care of myself? No, because, I mean, before, I'm, like, such, like, a chill, relaxed person. I think he, like, cleaned up a lot of, like, my mess around the house, but it didn't matter to me. Like I live in like my own little world. So if things weren't going the way that they were,

like whatever. Really? So like you, like you were able, cause I truly feel like if Moses wasn't around, I wouldn't know what to do. I wouldn't know how to take out the trash. I wouldn't know how to call for a mouse. Like if you have a dead mouse in your house. Like who are you calling? I had like a house manager who kind of was able to like take care of those like day to day things. Like dealing with the gardeners and the pool person. So I kind of had someone to do that. But like he'll come over to my house and he'll be like, oh, this place is like in disarray. And I'm like, what? Like what's in disarray?

Everything's fine for me. I'm happy with how it is. So for Christmas, do you have an empty house now? No. He decorates it. No. Who comes over to do it? My house manager does.

With me. This I need to know. Because I always ask Moses, if something happens, what am I going to do? Who do I hire? Where do I find somebody? And he's like, I don't know. But house manager is what? It's tea. We need that. We need that. Okay. So that okay so you have okay so did someone come okay i love daniel's

decorations i would just have so good he's like uh so impressive with his like eye and like what he does and you're not back together i did see that on I feel. You asked him for like confirmation. I was like, it's IT. I feel like, yeah, because I feel like you keep your dating life like too private these days. Why? Well, like I, sometimes like if I go on a date, like I sometimes want to talk about it, but I'm afraid that they'd like see it and then it would be weird. Are you dating people on social media? No.

Okay. So these are people who don't have social media. So how would they see it? I don't know. Well, when they find out. Like, usually on, like, the first date or the second date, they'll, like, find out that I do social media. So I'm, like, if they're going and stalking and, like, I do a review of the date, that, like, is so weird. It is kind of weird, I guess.

But, I mean, people would like it, though. They want to know what the team. I know. I know. It's hard. Especially, I think, people would like it, though. They want to know what the team... I know. I know. It's hard. Especially, I think, a lot of friends of people, like, if you say,

oh, like the girls. Like, if the gay has a girlfriend and they're like, oh, I went on a date with this guy. And then the girls are the ones that you usually see. And then they tell the person you went out with.

Yeah. And then, I guess, would they be weirded out? I don't know. I think it'd be kind of sweet. Oh, that's kind of cute. Especially if it went well. Like, you wouldn't be like,

oh, my God, this was awful because you wouldn't see him again anyways. True. Do you know what I mean? So, at least it'd be cute if you're like, it went so well. And especially if it went well like you wouldn't be like oh my god this was awful because you wouldn't see him again anyways true do you know what I mean so at least it'd be cute if you're like it went so well and then you know how you feel you don't have to express to them how you're feeling

they could just see it okay you know what I mean alright I do miss like setting him up on dates and stuff though remember when we were cast for like the Jubilee videos

I would just go on his Instagram and just follow like every one of them that would be his type that was so annoying wait so you were not even like producer you're like in the DMs. You're like.

He was like in my account following all these gays. Oh my God. Were you talking to them? Yes. As me. Yeah, I was conferencing with him. Did you, and did you, were you into, are you like, okay, I'll go on these dates? Well, it was for video.

But some of them I'd be like, oh, he's actually kind of cute. And no love match from that. No. Damn. I just try. I know. Yeah, oh, he's actually kind of cute. And no love match from that. No. Damn. I just try. I know. Yeah, you try. What is your type even?

Because I've only seen you date Daniel. I haven't seen anyone else you've dated. I would say just tall, dark, and handsome, the classic. I really love an olive tone, dark bearded, masculine man. There's probably a lot of those out there. You would think. Where are they? Well, not in London, because you're in London.

Oh, true. And I don't know if there are any over there. They're mostly, like, Ed Sheeran types, right? I don't know. We love, I don't know. They don't have sun over there. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, maybe I need to go to Italy.

You'll meet Daniel over there. Yeah. He's there all the time. I'll just meet Daniel. Okay. Do you miss, okay, you're back to the dogs now. You're back to puppies. Yeah, back to animal blogs.

Okay. And did you do that because you love the puppies or you love the views? I mean, a little bit of both, to be honest. Because Oscar would say, like, no, he really does, like, care for all these dogs. It's a lot of work. Yeah, because, I mean, people, Oscar would say, like, no, he really does, like, care for all these dogs. It's a lot of work. Yeah, because, I mean, people, there'd be, like, obviously, no matter what you do, there is going to be, like, negativity. And the stuff that I would see, really the only, like, drama that you would be in would

be, like, oh, he's just using the puppies. But it actually is so much work. Like, I remember when you went out of town for just, like, a weekend and I was, like, stepping in. Oh, yes. And I had to, like, I had to have darian come and help me because all the poop everywhere and like that one room where they would be in one of the huskies ate the walls and stuff like it was a lot of work and joey was so calm about everything like he would you were never shook even when the dogs were like being nuts it

was crazy and you don't have help with the dogs no i do it all myself that is and how many do you have right now like at your house? So I'm fostering a mom with her seven puppies right now, and then I have my three. So that's 11. And where do they all stay like right now? So I have like a separate room. It's like my dog room. Wow.

And so they're there right now. But I love it so much. Like I'm such a dog lover through and through. And it's so exciting when I get a pregnant dog because one I don't know when it's gonna happen I don't know how many she's gonna have and I don't know what they're gonna look like so it's like a mystery box like it's so fun and then they come out and they're so freaking cute and I just I just love it so. And then what do you do with all the dogs? You give them away?

Yeah, so I work with a foster called Wagmore Pets or Rescue. And so they interview people who, like either my audience that has been watching my vlogs of like me documenting the whole process of raising them. Or like they use their network to get people to adopt. Wow, and then they come to your house and pick it up? No. Oh. I bring them to Wagmore. Oh, I see. They're in the studio same time.

Oh, I see. Okay. So they're like the interim. Yeah. Oh my God. And then how long will you have these dogs for? I usually have them for two months from when they're born. And then they're gone and then you find another dog or you keep the same dog?

No. So then we find a home for the mom too. We get her fixed and then send her get her to like a new loving home so yeah the first one the one that i have right now she like it's so heartbreaking she was in baker's field which is about like an hour and a half outside of la and the family dumped her because she was pregnant she found her way back to the family and they dumped her because she was pregnant. She found her way back to the family, and they dumped her again. So one of the neighbors swooped in and let her in her backyard, and then I stepped in and saw her.

And how did they contact you? Through Wagmore. Oh, okay. So they'll call them. They'll be like, is there a place they can put this dog? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So then Melissa at Wagmore will be like, I got just the person.

Because not a lot of people take in pregnant dogs. Like a lot of times what will happen is they'll euthanize the dog or the puppies. And it's really, really sad because it's a lot of work. How do you have the time? Well, I make it my full-time job with documenting. So I like make it half-time. And I'm also like always home. Thank you to the sponsor

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No, but that's, I mean, you could be doing so much, especially as like an influencer. People are just like so selfish with their time. Like that's crazy. That's like taking care of like seven babies or even like a pregnant dog, like you said, never knowing when they're about to get birth. You always have to be on alert. Like a pregnant human. It's just like, and that's so stressful at the end. Just like, okay, what do we do?

We just have to stay at home and like wait for it. Well, I let her out to pee and she came back running in bloody and i was like what just happened she gave birth to the first puppy in my yard at 11 p.m so and then what did you do and then i had to help her give birth till 4 a.m no you didn't yeah by yourself yes by myself oscar's been yeah there for like how many birds a good chunk of them there was one time i think it was around valentine's day or something i was supposed to go on vacation too but one of them we named her chicken fry she like went into labor crazy as me brianna took it from you oh yeah she stole it but yeah i remember i had to like reschedule it because I think it was the second dog that you had.

It was like a... Was it May? No, it was the one. She was found in a Burger King. Do you remember her? Oh, yes. And it would be like random times. You'd be like, I think it's happening now.

You might have to come over and be like, okay, there I am. Luckily, you live close, so it was always easy. Wait, so you're driving past a Burger King. You're like, that dog. Let's get him. No, this was her backstory. Oh, okay, okay. She was found... So then they you're driving past the Burger King. You're like, that dog. Let's get him. No, this was her backstory. Oh, okay, okay. She was found.

So then they got to wag more for Burger King. Okay, got it. So you would assist in the births. I would film usually. I was really gang. Gagging in the background. Because it is pretty gruesome. They come out and they're wet and bloody.

Oh, yeah. Wait. So what are you doing with the placenta? What are you doing with all this? The mom eats it. What? It comes out in a sack and then it comes out with the umbilical cord with the afterbirth and she gobbles it down.

And you cut the umbilical cord? No, she does with her teeth. Is this common for every dog? Yeah, they just know what to do. That's common with everything actually, that's so fierce. Yeah. I wish I could do that with my babies. It'd be a lot easier, yeah.

Yeah, that is. Wait, is there ever complications? Like, do they have C-sections for dogs? Yeah, so I did have one. She was allegedly a pug. She was not. She catfished. But she was too small, and one came out and was just stuck.

And I was, like, trying to figure out how to get it out and I couldn't. And I had to rush her to the hospital. Oh my God. And that puppy unfortunately didn't make it, but the rest survived. How many were there total? I think there was maybe six. Yeah. And they're coming out just like a human, like out there.

Yeah. This one came, what is it when they come out backwards? What is that called? Breached. Yeah, breached. Oh my gosh. And so the head was like stuck in the pelvis and couldn't get through the birth canal oh my god so the rest had to be c-section oh oh my god you might be the most charitable youtuber i don't

think anyone is doing this like that is actually insane like i know you're filming it and whatever but like obviously that's like a full-time more than than full-time job. You're doing it 24 hours a day. Yeah. It's a lot. But again, like I love it. Oh, my gosh. And I just launched my own pet brand. Wait, what is the pet brand? It's called Tail, T-A-L-E. I'm starting with like dog supplement treats.

So I have like a skin and coat and a calming one that just like gives them the nutrients that they need. Are you partnering with someone or you came up with this? You're like in the lab. In the lab. He's formulating. I think people do that. Yeah, scientific with the goggles and everything. Jacqueline Hill with the lipsticks.

I love this vision. Yeah, because you probably are like, oh, this is what they need. You probably have some insight. Or you're just like testing. Yeah. No, I made sure. Testing, making sure it's all great ingredients. And yeah, the skin coat made my dogs fur like so soft and shiny in two days.

And then I have a calming one that literally like makes them fall asleep. Oh, like a sedative? No, it calms them down. Like my dogs have separation anxiety. So I just give them a few of these if I'm like leaving like today. And then I come home and they're just like, what? Were you even gone? Oh, so it's natural stuff.

It's natural. And safe, obviously. Yeah. I think I saw this. Did you Were you even gone? Oh. I love it. So it's natural stuff. It's natural. And safe, obviously. Yeah. I think I saw this. Did you have a launch party? Yes. Purple and teal? Yes.

I don't think I was invited. We were invited. Oh, I was? Yes, but we had a film that day. No. When did you get an invite? Yes, remember, we got the text at the same time. Oh, shit.

From who? From me. It's from the website. From the... Oh. This is like actually Ellen yes it

happens a lot that happens to me all the time I'm very much like you were invited Ellen that's not true I am the Ellen and in so many situations

you're so right oh my gosh wait why were we were at Patreon what were we doing we had you were probably before you left

yes honestly I think it was actually oh really you had to go to New York and we same with Escape the Night the movie I no one reached out for that there's no way It was before you left. Yes. Honestly, I think it was. Oh, really? You had to go to New York. Same with Escape the Night, the movie. No one reached out for that.

There's no way no one reached out. I reached out to you. I texted you like five times. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. For Escape the Night or a project. We got to fact check this. I feel like it was like, I have a project coming up. Which was Escape the Night.

But I feel like if it was Escape the Night, I would have responded. Oh, my God. No, again, Ellen. Yes. Because he even had rosanna ask you really i swear i don't remember i'm not even being whatever i also just might be a little out of my mind so mad she's never invited but actually is invited that's actually so true yeah her memory is uh questionable you would have me on Escape the Night? Do you have to get approvals for this new one you're doing? No. Well, it's already been shot. Which I saw you

were going to have Tana on to talk about tea. Did she come on? Because I wanted to see what she said. She is coming on soon, this afternoon in a few hours. But she was talking, we were talking about Escape the Nightmare, the Gabby versus you back then

and I was there when the chicken incident happened and I was like oh I need the tea on that what chicken? I don't know that's what I need to know there was like a chicken

oh when she was freaking out over the food oh the healthy meals yes she said she was there during one of the oh I can't wait to hear about this

yeah right same I don't think anyone cares about this tea except for us I think it's fascinating me too because we were watching and I was like like, oh, I need to know. So she was going to talk about that.

Are you not allowed to talk about Escape the Night movie? I mean, she basically did on her podcast. So it's like, she's like, I can't say what show it is, but basically you had to run around and you had to escape while it's nighttime. I'm like, girl, just say the freaking name. Oh, is this not announced? I thought the cast was. Like, there is a TikTok that looks like your TikTok that, like, leaks the photos and stuff.

Like, I saw you dressed in, like, the little Back to the Future outfit. And I was like, oh, I think Joey posted this. And it wasn't. It was, like, this other TikTok. And we're like. I did post that. I obviously didn't say it was Escape the Night. But people are, like, little investigators.

I mean, yeah. So, not all. There's some that they've gotten right. But there's still a few that have stayed hidden. I feel like I know the whole cast. That's why I thought it was like out there. Because there's that TikTok and they just show everybody that's going to be on it. So I was like, I don't know if this is a secret anymore.

There's a couple that they haven't exposed. So holding on to those. Do people know who they are? What? The other people. Like would they know? Would they be like, because the ones I saw were very recognizable names. Are the people they haven't guessed more?

Rosanna and now Tana are like the only ones that have been exposed but it looks like it would be an official Escape the Night account but they're pretty deep they know what's up I know I kind of live and it's a movie well not really it's essentially

like an additional episode because we filmed it the same way we would the show and there's like some scripted moments but it's mostly just like us like live action role playing that sounds so fun though i'm not gonna lie so good no so here's the thing i am jealous so what i'm gonna do is i'm going to pitch it to a network kind of like how the traders has its own like each season self contained yeah i want to basically go to a network like Amazon Netflix

Hulu wherever and be like do you want your version of the traitors here's the format of Escape the Night with no

context of the previous seasons like being part of it but just the formula and then each season will be self-contained so I want you to be in that I'm done

I'm on but then you probably have to get approved by Amazon probably has to do approvals. And let me tell you, Amazon's not my biggest fan. Okay, what about Netflix? What about Hulu? Netflix might be

down. I don't know. I'm very fascinated to know who would say yes or no. I guess just call me. Be like, Trish, I really wanted you, but they said no. I appreciate that more. Gigi told me when she was here, I was the first guest on her podcast, and I was like, what happened to that episode? She was like, they literally knocked her shut. And I was like, alright. I respect it. When you do, they literally like knocked her shut. And I was like, all right. I respect it.

When you do say that, it makes me like feel better. But then I still am kind of like, damn, that's kind of crazy. They had them like – because we watched – did we watch it, Escape the Night? We saw something and I'm like, these people are kind of problematic actually. There were some people on there that I was like, how are they on there but not me? Yeah. No, honestly. There was some crazy like –

I was always very frustrated with youtube when they wouldn't let you on that is wild they were like you have to have at least a million followers and like i definitely did back no you definitely did yeah but like there was other people like nikita dragon they were like almost didn't let her on really like she just brought like the best tv possible like we didn't watch that season but i I liked the poster for that season the best. Oh, yes, yes, yes. So good. I think I've just seen like clips. But then I'm like, this is kind of good actually.

Like it is like production. Like it's a good budget. The costumes were good. Because of Gabby's video, I started watching the ones and I was like, wait, that costume kind of eats actually. Like, you know. Yeah, right? It was good.

Like the production was good. The sets were good. Yeah. I don't know. And it obviously did well because what is it? Four seasons. Yeah, four seasons. Four seasons.

People constantly ask me like, we're season five, we're season five we're season five and I'm still working and it's kind of camp now too because it's like at the time I mean I'm sure everyone loved it obviously it's why you got billboards and like multiple seasons but like looking back it's like nostalgia you know what I mean and it's kind of like oh we want that back you know and I feel like old school YouTube like no one wants like a lot of that. But that one was. Yeah. Do you think Traders ripped you off? I don't. Really? I feel like it's.

It's very similar. It's similar in some senses. It kind of feels like a cousin. I didn't watch it for a while because I was kind of. Well, it made me a little mad to see it. But then when I watched it, I was like, oh, was like oh okay wait no i live for this it's not like a complete ripoff it's it feels like its own show so jc remember they wanted to do escape the house like a twist off reality house but like meets escape the night thank god that never went

anywhere because that would have been sweet what how do you know that they were like we talked about it when it happened it was a while ago but vaguely familiar. Or they were talking about it. Like, they were putting it out there. Like, we have this crazy concept called Escape the House. And I remember you were tilted about it. Like, you knew about it? This sounds familiar. Yeah, they just were starting to pitch it and, like, put it out there.

Like, a spinoff of Reality House, which was basically, like, Escape the Night. And they wanted to get it on TV and stuff. Like, themed? Like, basically, basically like Escape the Night but taking place in one house. Like Escape the House. That sounds bad. Because Escape the Night is camp

because it's like themed which is like, which is Traders is not. I mean it does have it's like theme-ish kind of but it is, it's very murder mystery dinner theater. There's no real role playing in that. Yeah.

And there's no like fun. Well, there are fun challenges, but it's not like. No, Escape the Night is still better. So I'm not mad. It definitely is. Like I do love the concept. I think that's why I was always like sad to never be a part of it. You do so good.

You know, I love a good cosplay too. Yes. Because there was one season that you just had like repeat people. I was like, really? So that was. There was. That was the all-star season plus brett monroth plus so there was one new person on that season yeah all stars plus one

more new and that's why i was like wait that's was that the last season then yes and then what happened youtube was sponsored by youtube red they funded it and then they just closed up or what happened yeah i mean i was kind of gagged when they didn't pick up. So there was like changes in the background of like who was running YouTube premium. And I think the show just got too expensive for them. And they were like, we're just going to focus on crappy shows. And so are they still around? Are they still producing? No, it closed down. Oh, so they probably just ran out of money. Yeah. Like that's a lot of things. I feel like a lot of people get money and then just kind of like close down. like full screen was giving people like money for shows oh I forgot about that yes and they had budget and it's like then they just kind of like close yeah I think like snapchat too

was just giving so much I mean I think they're doing okay but I have a feeling they'll like close up you know what I mean like they'll close down soon because they just give so much money out and then they're like or who was the other one um spotify they were doing like all these big deals and then like now they have like no money they let go heidi and spencer like they let go of so many people yeah i mean i don't know that's just like what i'm guessing um you've been doing podcasts you were on roseanna's podcast who we love here love bro would you ever do your own no why because like i'm here to get canceled no i literally don't have anything to talk about. Like, I'm so bland and boring. No.

Yes. You're, hmm, that's interesting. I've never heard anyone call themselves that, which is, like, so interesting. You're not. I would say I'm more of a listener than a talker. So having to come up with something to talk about every single week, I'd be so bored. But the good thing about you is that you have so, like, you've been through so many eras of YouTube. And you were kind of in the middle.

Similar to you. Like, you were in the middle of a lot of, like, friend groups and scandals. And you were close to everyone. Difference is, you said everything already. Right. There's so many friendships. And I feel like we can definitely get down that hole. Because there's so many, like, groups that you were definitely get down that hole because there's so many like groups

that you were a part of that are like what happened to them where is it I know the only one you weren't a part of was the sister one right you weren't in sister squad or were you no I wasn't okay so where were you at that time you were the British people at that point with the sister squad you were kind you were I don't even know you knew James but you weren't with like Emma

or the Dolans no so are you in London because you were like with London people a lot at one point. Are you like there in this time? Wait, are you talking about like my sister? You know like sister squad was James, Dolan. Why do I feel like you were not in that? No. Okay, so there was this other group of like British people.

It was like Zoella. Oh, that was way, way, way before. Oh, really? That was the dawn of time. Yeah. Because James was a fetus. No. I thought the British squad was after your like tributes era, after your Hunger Games era.

Okay, so like. That was like 2013, 14. So when is the tribute era? When's the Hunger Games era? Strawberry 17. That was 2012. And when did you start? 2007.

Your channel, not the Winter Pro. Winter Spring Pro was 2007. Wow. So you've been on just as long as me. Yeah. That's crazy because I really don't know anyone who's been on. Maybe again, I'm not remembering. Do you know anyone who's been on since 2007?

That's still there. I just dean. We do love I just dean. We do love I just dean. She really is a queen. She was like my idol growing up. I was like. Me too. She's everything. But you started at the same time love her. We do love Idustine. We do love Idustine. She really is a queen. She was like my idol growing up. I was like. Me too.

She's everything. But you started at the same time as her. Yeah. And she was everything. Really? Yes. Wait, were you just really into like MacBooks or what? Because I like her.

But she's just techie, right? Not back then. She was doing like skits and music videos and stuff. Really? Like she would. I think she put. Didn't she put a camera on her head and she went live for 24 hours before. It was like a thing.

She was really ahead of the curve. She's always been. Oh, I had no idea. Is she still doing sketches and stuff? No. Now she's like all tech. Do you think she gets paid by Apple? I don't know.

I think so because now she goes to the real events and stuff. Before, her thing was she had to sneak in. But now she gets the like, the VIP ticket. And she gets the freaking iPhones, like, two weeks before anyone else. I don't know if Apple pays or if they just give you, like, exclusive content. I don't know. I don't. And, like, and you're friends with her.

Yes. You still talk to her? Sometimes, yeah. I'm so fascinated by that. Like, I love it. She has really gone through what now we've been on YouTube for 18 years. 18 years of YouTube with no scandal. Like, you've had little scandals.

Yours are so unserious. We won't talk about it. Before you got in here, he's like let's not talk about the parking thing. I'm like I know. Yeah. But I mean that's what I wrote down. That's why. But it's like not even a scandal which is so funny. All your scandals were so not scandals which is like. I was always associated with the person who was

the scandal. Yeah. That's true. Let's think about it. It was like Shane, you, Gabby, Colleen. We weren't associated that much you think. Do you think so? Me and you. Yeah. That's true. Let's think about it. It was like Shane, you, Gabby, Colleen. Well, we weren't associated that much, you think? Do you think so? Me and you? Yeah. By proxy. I don't know. Well, whenever we would collab, like, people would get like... Upset. Yeah.

Really? That's so crazy. I was, like, so unaware back then. I, like, knew, but, like, didn't know. You know what I mean? I mean, there was, like, two sides of the fence. People loved when we were together, and some people just didn't. Oh, that's mean i mean there was like two sides of the fence people loved when we were together and some people just didn't so that's so interesting it was always because i thought back then because i was friends with shane like by proxy people were like we like trisha you know what i mean until she got cancer but um do you think you'd ever be friends with him again oh god i wish we talk about this like all the time too i feel like i talk about shane like

every episode because there is like he we do live like close to each other and obviously he has kids now it's like oh god i really loved our friendship i feel like i talk about shane like every episode because there is like he we do live like close to each other and obviously he has kids now it's like oh god i really loved our friendship i think everything i found out after yeah i'm like i don't know like talking like feeding drama channels like i don't know it kind of sucks and maybe like you know i do think kids change people so i think like maybe now he's just like he seems to be out of drama just like is in his little conspiracy world and I don't know, though. But also, you know, people just like change. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Would you be friends with him again? I don't know. I guess similar to you. I think, I mean, he, I can't deny that like he was such a big part of like my come up on YouTube at the beginning. So like I will always appreciate like what he did for me um when we did become like closer friends I feel like there was just like a darkness there that always made me feel weird after hanging out um because I don't love being

around negative people and I feel like whenever we would hang out it would always be like just talking bad about people yeah and I would always feel like so bad about myself after for even just like entertaining like allowing him to like talk about people um so I wouldn't if it was still like that but there was still so many funny moments that we like had together and he was he was cool and yeah he was someone I always looked up to like when I started YouTube like in 2007 like he was the king of YouTube so it was like this like person that I like always looked up to like wants to be my friend like that was so crazy totally I think that even with us even though I was like the same age as him like that's how I started like got into. I like answered his LA casting call

and I was to be like a stripper in one of his music videos, remember? It was called The One Who Turned You Gay, which I don't think is up anymore, but it was like a parody of the Katy Perry song. And like, I remember going to his house in North Hollywood and he was like my age. So we were like 20 at the time.

And he like owned this big house in North Hollywood. And I was like, and I remember his mom had like a fancy checkbook with like Shane Dawson TV on it. And she was writing extra money to people who would stay extra. And I remember I got paid like 500, but because I stayed an extra two hours, they gave me a thousand. And I was just like, damn, you have all this money to pay people. Oh my God.

Yeah. I mean. A thousand dollars? Yeah. For like a five hour day. And it was just at his house, you know? I didn't know he paid people. I thought it was just like for promo.

Well, I wasn't a YouTuber back then. It was like an actor on LA Casting. Oh, okay. So I think he was hiring like, you know, people like background actors or whatever and so and i remember asking like oh my gosh like what do you do like how do you make this much money this is so crazy and he's like it's just for youtube and i was like what i was doing youtube but i didn't know you can make money on it so got it and i remember he emailed me like two days after the shoot and was like we should like hang out sometime and i was just like and then never did and he got in a relationship with lisa right

after like a week later and i was like damn i could have been Lisa. And I was so jealous. I was so jealous of Lisa because her channel went boom. She got like a million views. I was so jealous. And I still talk to her. I really like her now. And she has a baby and stuff like that. But I was so jealous.

Anyone who would date Shane would get those million views. Still to this day, really. I mean, I had like a fake relationship with him. Did you? Yeah. I forgot about that. It was the showy. Where people thought you were like dating secretly? really? I mean, I had like a fake relationship with him. Did you? I forgot about that. Where people thought you were like dating secretly? Well, he like did a video where he

was like dared to kiss me. And so then that kind of like started this whole thing where we just like played along with like people shipping us together. Well, you were in a lot of ships. I was. I guess we won't bring up another ship. Who? I just think of one that Oscar took. Miranda Sings? Yeah, I guess we'll talk about her.

We don't have to talk about the person behind Miranda Sings. But you were the... Joey, Oscar told me this actually. I think you were the one who told me about these ships with Miranda. Were we talking about it? She had so many. I didn't know.

I was like, oh, maybe because of her shell, like, you were on it. And I was just, like, so confused. I was like, because my biggest flex was I was never in a Miranda Sings video. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, thank God. Oh, that's how it was. We were talking about, like, how we weren't into it. And I was saying, like, how I only saw the ones that you were in, like, on your channel.

And pretending. Like, when Miranda was on your channel. Because I didn't watch Miranda separate. Which is so crazy. Were you, like, a fan of the character? Were you like, this is so funny. I got to be honest. I do think like there were some videos that I thought were really funny.

But it was just fun to like role play with her and like kind of go into a character and just like make crazy up like on the spot you love an improv I do as we did here today I just started needing improv as I found out that is so because characters and not just her like any character I can't stand like you know Bob Yaltoff do you know her she had the podcast where she was very and I was

like I could not interact with someone who's like playing a character like it's so hard the only one I can is kind of Terry Jo but even that I'm like oh I don't know because it's just it's so awkward to me like it's like this person's playing like a character but it's like not really funny okay you know especially like Miranda I mean look I think what also people need to know is like you know it was like a very different time when you look back at that sense of humor you're just kind of like that was crazy that people like that even the Netflix show I mean she had two seasons on Netflix and re-watching that re-re-rewatched it when I had the podcast with her

for like three episodes. So I was like, let's re-watch this because I love, you know, I love famous people. So I was like, let's re-watch their, let's re-watch their shows, what made them famous. I get excited about it. I, and I remember liking it when it first came out

and then re-watching it, what was that, 2023? Is like actually so many inappropriate jokes about like with the uncle and like this crazy and I'm like and this is on Netflix so a lot of people are like oh who would like this humor and I'm like I guess it was a thing at the time but this is on Netflix like it was actually pretty wild to see and not to like judge or whatever but it was just like that's what people liked back then I know no there's so many things that you look back and you're like what were we thinking definitely but like just as a society like we all accepted it and we thought it was funny at the time.

Like Scary Movie, for instance, like those were some of my favorite movies growing up. So that really shaped my humor. And like looking back at some of those things, like there's definitely very inappropriate like jokes in it. Yeah. Or even The Office is kind of like, I can't believe they make those jokes. Like there's just so much like jokes and yeah but or even the office is kind of like i'm like i can't believe they make those jokes like there's just so much like racism and stuff and i was like that's actually kind of crazy because that was like pretty recent and everyone loved that show yeah and there's just

like a lot i don't know maybe it's just because like i'm older now and i'm just like oh my god i can't believe that's funny i do think that some things are funny but not that i think i'm funny but that's um wait so like back to shane when you were saying the, like, darkness stuff, I felt that way, too. Like, I always felt that way. And I participated, obviously. Like, we would watch Strawberry 17. And we would be like – oh, my – like, we would literally have parties to watch, like, a rebrand and just, like – I don't want to say make fun. But why do you think – like, do you think it was, like – it stemmed from jealousy to, like, see someone, like, doing what they loved or, like?

I think just insecurity overall. I don't know. It's hard to say. Maybe because we would watch our room and be like, oh, my God, look at all her interns. Like, that's so embarrassing. But, like, maybe that would have been cool to have, like, a little team. So I don't know. I think with Shane and me, I think we both were, like, so insecure.

And, like, yeah, just really a lot of trauma too. Just, you know what I mean? Like a lot of trauma and I feel like just not worked through trauma. I don't know if he, I never talked to him about it obviously, but like therapy, like I know I wasn't for like the longest time, like up until I was like 29. So I think just a lot of just hatred, right? Like just in general for everybody.

I hated everybody. Like any YouTubers I saw that had friends friends I was jealous of you with Luke and you Luke and Strawberry doing the tributes thing oh my god I was so jealous because I was like wait they're making

I had a band yes you were making music videos no it's not I seriously truly genuinely love it we watched Story of My Life

yes which you hadn't seen no we were watching her Christmas music videos all of a sudden she's like have you seen Joey Graceffa Luke Conner's Story of My Life? And I was like, well, I was straight.

I love that video. But you're so convincing. You're actually so convincing as a straight, for sure. But that was the video that made me want to work with Andrew Valentine. That and Colorful. Oh, my God. I love Colorful. Such a good video.

So many people think that's my song. I thought it was. And I thought, and Story of My Life, swear to God, thought it was and I thought in a story of my life swear to god that it was your song oh like a year ago literally it was really recent yeah

you're joking no you thought the One Direction song was mine yes and I heard I got in my

One Direction phase what last year yes and so I was like okay and then I heard it and I was like I literally did and I was like

wait this was like my favorite song we put that on Blast Colorful too I never knew Panic at the Disco did it. And I remember we'd play it on Blast in my car, and I like genuinely loved it. How crazy is that? Like, these artists must have been like so confused when a very professional, like high

budget music video comes out for their song. Especially Colorful. That wasn't a video, right, for Panic! They didn't do one, right? No, they didn't do one. So yours is like the only one. Mine is their official music video. And it's so good like the rain pouring the drama do you remember how much that was because probably back then it was cheaper it was cheap with andrew i think we did that for

like seven grand isn't that crazy so crazy i know and i remember when i met andrew my first video was five thousand dollars and our the last one i did was like three hundred thousand i was like how did this happen how did we go three hundred thousand yeah but then I went broke and I was like, let me stop doing music videos for a while. Me and Ricky Dillon just gave all our money. You did? We did. That's crazy. And we're so addicted to music videos. Now I have a Patreon music tier. Shout out

Patreon. That can pay for my music videos, you know. Because I love doing them. What was your favorite music video that you did then? Probably the one that was like 300,000. It was like on the beach. Is that the one where you were screaming? Yeah, I love it. I love that. Like you, I was recreating

like a My Chemical Romance music video shot by shot because I loved it so much and yeah, they probably thought the music video, the director of the original one saw it and he's like,

well, she looks like she put a lot of effort into it so he like appreciated it which was, because you never know, people could be like, oh, this is weird. Didn't Hilary Duff

like say something nasty to you or something? She said something like, oh, this is not it. Hilary Duff like say something nasty to you or something she said something like oh this is not it it was something about my what dreams are made of someone posted like at one of the gay meme accounts and she's something like oh not this she needs to come on this podcast she's sassy I love Hilary Duff because you remember when she had a beef with uh Faye Dunaway I think oh which is Bowen Yang's Instagram handle but I think that's like the actress from like back in the original Bonnie and Clyde. And she had like beef with her.

It was like, she's kind of sassy. Yeah, I loved her. I did a little hand back in the day. They went back and forth for a long time. No way. Taylor Ness scares me, but I love her so much. I'm obsessed. She asked me to be on her podcast like maybe two years ago.

And I like died. I was like, are you sure? Did you go? No. What happened? It didn't end up happening. Oh, the podcast didn't happen? Like, did she come out with the podcast?

Yeah, she was doing a podcast. Oh, and you didn't get to go on it? Mm-mm. Oh, man. But I was, like, freaking out. I was like, yes, sign me up immediately. I'm there. They just were like, oh, no, it's not happening anymore.

Yeah. I would cry. Shane was on her e-show. Or no, it was Grace Helbig's e-show, and it was Hilary Duff and Shane as the guest. Do you remember that? No. I was so jealous. Oh, my God.

And that was, like, his big moment, because he loved Lizzie McGuire, too. She kind of is the icon of our generation for sure. I miss when they were like companies would just like throw money at YouTubers and be like make something. Same. I know. I never was able to get a money deal. I don't know how YouTubers, every YouTuber is able to get money

in some capacity. Like here just do some I wish that was me. Never could be me. I need to bring that back YouTube. YouTube bread doesn't exist. I know. I'm like me. I really need to bring that back, YouTube. YouTube brand doesn't exist. I know. I'm like, do I like pitch them this like episode and be like, give me some money and I'll – Probably. Maybe.

You're so good at that. Do you have like an agent that helps you with it? Sort of. Not really. So you just go by your – like I don't even know how you get meetings, like any of that stuff. Like how do you be like Netflix, I need a meeting with you. Yeah. You definitely need an agent for that.

Yeah, just call them. No you definitely need an agent for that yeah just call them definitely need an agent for that so you should do that because it is and I feel like this is the time because of traders and all that stuff is very like someone needs something like that or if anyone's watching no one is I always make a plea

no one is Chapel Roan watches your show I don't know does she watch the podcast we don't know if there is confirmation. I don't know if Chapel does. The girls around her do. She said she wanted a dream blunt rotation with me. So she, like, is aware of who I am. I don't know if she watches the podcast.

I thought she said, like, I was going to be on the podcast. Oh, she was supposed to come on. Yes, she did say that. Yes, she was supposed to come on. Yeah, it was during the time of, like, the height, like, when she was, like, blowing up, like, last summer. But it's so crazy because these, like, Gen Z girlies, like, were fans of us, like, growing up. It is crazy.

Like, I remember Sabrina Carpenter came up to me at, like, an event when she was, like, on Boy Meets Girl. And she was, like, her and Joey King came up and they're, like, hi, we watch your videos. And Joey King. That's crazy. Wow. And Conan Gray loves you, too. Oh, right. Yeah.

Wait, what did he say? Well, I, like, found his channel, like, back when he was, like, had, like, maybe 7,000 subscribers. Oh, my gosh. And I, like, gave him a little shout out. What did you say? You're just like, check out this person? Yeah. I think it was for, like, my 3 million subscribers video.

I was like, I'm going to give back to the pores. The little gays. And I just, like, found, like, some small upcoming channels. subscribers video i was like i'm gonna give back to the the pores and i just like found like some small upcoming channels and i was like oh my god you guys should check them out does he remember that yeah he said something we've like chatted about it and whatnot but that's so dope it is kind of cool when people like i don't know if i had anyone that big ever like be like love trish but that would be so cool i'm sure there are are. Little Chapel. Yeah, Little Chapel. She was Rachel Zegler in like a week. Me and Rachel, I remember her when she was like 14.

I always say that. I like loved her back in the day. I did a little tweet from her, like her Hamilton cover back in like 2014. I was like, God, I love this girl. She's so talented. She is a queen and Chapel is a queen. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It is cool when people are like, I loved you for so long.

Being around for so long, it's like wild. Because I still feel young. Do you ever feel like you're still like in the young influencer world? Well, I feel like I'm still 28 mentally. Or like that's what like my age just feels like. It just stopped. When did you break up with Daniel? 28?

That's when he stopped. No. Wait, is it? Because they say. Wait, was I 28? And you're 33 now? Yeah. So five years ago. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Wait, what did they say wait was i 28 and you're 33 now yeah so five years ago whoa yeah that's crazy

they say like you you're you stunt at the age what is it that you you're you're stuck at the age that you be you break up with someone no way become famous but that's not what i guess maybe that's the age where you just stop growing oh I don't know. Maybe that's when your brain stops developing. At 20. Maybe. When you become famous. But you were already famous, so I don't know. When did you, you started your channel, what, at 16 then?

I was 15 and a half. So it's been like more than half my life. And what would you say is the age you popped off where you were like, okay, I'm pretty famous. People know who I am. I would say 2014 was the year. Is that the British era? Yeah, the British era. I remember that vividly.

But I remember even when you had your apartment with Britney, I think that's when I started watching when you had the Totoro wall behind you, the green wall. I remember that, yeah. That was a really long time ago.

Yeah, I daily vlogged for five years, which is so insane. I loved your daily vlogs. I watched when you were with Sawyer at the Palazzo and you would get chicken from Whole Foods in the little brown box. I watched all the time. Stop. I was like so obsessed. That's so funny.

Oh, yeah. No, I knew the eras for sure. Like I said, we really did watch even the Strawberry 17. I remember Oscar there. Like I remember it so like well. Carla. Carla. Yeah.

I remember everyone so vividly. So it's like because I had literally no life, which is probably also why I hated everyone. I would have no life. I had nobody in my life. And so I would just like watch videos all day. You are – this is something that like I need to learn lessons from. You are a master manifester. Oh.

Like anything that you think of comes true. And it's so crazy. Like please teach me your secrets i think it's because i'm like so obsessed with a thought like i see myself doing it do you ever have that where you're just like for me i'm just like i i was as a kid i was like so obsessed with just being famous and like i never like had anything so i was just like i want to do this you know and i think that's how i am to this day like this is gonna happen for me this is gonna happen for me i feel like i'm just like so obsessed with the thought that it has to come

true oh my god right i just feel like that's the only way you just put a lot of energy into it. It's so true. Like the fake it till you make it. Like you believe it so much that it eventually has to come true. Yeah. I feel like it's really, that's a really big thing, but you are too. I feel like you get like everything you dream of. Well, there's a couple things more I could go for. Wait, really? What's your biggest, like if you had had tomorrow, like, a magic genie, what would your biggest wish be or dream? You have three because it's a genie. Oh, three? Yeah.

Okay. The man of my dreams. Wow. Making, like, a movie or TV show based off of, like, my own, like, visions of whatnot. And then to, like, live in, like, the countryside fields with, like, a bunch of animals and, like, just peace. World peace. World peace.

Wait, what countryside? Like, London or here in LA? Like, it could be Italy. It could be, like, just somewhere. I love England, but it's so rainy. Oh, yeah. It is sad. I was there for three days a week ago, and I was like, this is sad. Oh my god, yes.

Yeah, I was just sad. What were you there for? Um, Bridgerton. Do you watch Bridgerton? I saw the first season. Only the first? We better watch season four. I'm not it. Shut up.

No, I'm not. I wish. We're kind of lying until it happens, though. That may have happened. It is. It's all British people on that show, so I don't know if I have a chance. I love when a TikTok pops up and it's like you being in the screen movie or something and it's like these clips from your music videos or something and it makes it look like you're actually in something.

Because of Andrew Valentine makes his music videos look like they're a movie. It's worth $300,000. Period. I think he's too busy now. Well, we did do a music video with Pink Christmas because he kind of makes his music videos look like they're a movie that's worth $300,000 period I think he's too busy now well we did do a music video with Pink Christmas because he's kind of retired from music videos

but he's like I'll always do one for Mew and I was like I love him I love him we actually have a daughter the same age so we have play dates all the time with him

oh stop that's so sweet yeah we're actually like closer now than ever oh my god yeah we see him we're trying to get him to move over here

because they are such close in age and it's so cute and sweet but we love him I just need to see you in a movie. That's my ultimate goal. Like you, I just like, God, I just want to be in a movie. You know what I mean? Because it's like to go to the theater and see yourself would be so –

Have you been in one? You have. Why do I think you had a cameo? I did have a cameo in The Space Between Us with Lele Pons. Wait, really? Yeah. Was it in theaters? It was.

Yeah. How big of a role did you have? Were you talking? I was like just behind him when he was talking. I was like a little student at the desk. Oh, okay. That's good. But you never had a line.

Were you in Wreck-It Ralph? Oh, no. Who was that? Pokey Mane, Colleen. Was David Dobrik in it? I thought you were. I swear. Wait, actually, was Pokey Mane in that?

Oh, no. Colleen was definitely in that one, I remember, as Miranda Sings. I want to say David. Oh, Angry Birds, maybe David. You never did a voiceover for anything? No. Really? I'm surprised. Was it Fall Guy? Everyone was in that one, too? Pokey Mane was in that one, I remember, as Miranda Sings. I want to say David. Oh, Angry Birds, maybe David. You never did a voiceover for anything? No. Really? I'm surprised.

What was it, Fall Guy? Everyone was in that one, too. Pokimane was in that one, yeah. Oh, yeah, with Ryan Reynolds. I just feel like you are that YouTuber that people would go to. Especially back then. Yeah. With, like, the Hunger Games era.

I remember when you interviewed, like, Jennifer Lawrence and stuff. Wait. And Taylor Swift. That was traumatizing. Why? I was such a huge fan of the Hunger Games. And, like, literally would make music videos. I was such a huge fan of the Hunger Games. And like literally would make music videos. I had like a band about Hunger Games.

That's my favorite. So here's – I'll start with the positive and then I'll go into the negative. Okay. So I did my first junket roundtable interview. Like I worked for this company called teen.com. And they would send me to go interview celebrities when a movie would come out so when hunger games launched i got to go interview like the whole cast the first movie yes they came in and it was like the tributes that came in so it was like rue um fox face they came in and rue was like oh my god i i love your music in and Ru was like, oh my god, I love your music video. And I was

like, I'm so famous. That would be cool. So that was great. They lived for me. But then for the final movie, Lionsgate asked me to come in and interview the main three. Jennifer. Who are the other ones? Liam, Hemsworth, Josh Hutcherson. I do really not remember. I think you love the Hunger Games. How did you forget?

I forget their names. That's crazy for being such a fan. No, Peeta, Gail, and Katniss. I know those, but they're the actor's names.

You don't know the actor's names? I feel like when you're a fan, you know, I can tell you the drummer, the original drummer of My Chemical Romance, you know what I mean? Just passed away, but you know what I mean?

These lights, they're just so overwhelming. That was wild. I don't even like Hunger Games, but I know Liam Hemsworth. And who's the other one? Josh Johnson. Yes.

Okay. So they were like, we're going to have you do a game. It's two truths and a lie. And so I'm sure they had like so many interviews that day. You go to this like four seasons. They're set up in chairs and they like swap out the host to interview them. And so it's my turn. I walk in.

I'm so nervous. like I'm meeting my like idols here and so I introduce myself and immediately I can tell the vibes are off with like Jennifer like she like barely's looking at me and so I I do my intro and I don't even know if this ever got posted but I go in and I'm like explaining the rules of Two Truths and a Lie. And she's just not into it at all. She's looking down or what? What's happening?

No, she was basically just ignoring me. And so it was just her and either Liam or Josh. I don't remember. One of them was nice and was like engaging with me, but they full on just, started having a conversation. While you're talking? Yeah. Very, like, lively.

Oh, no! I just sat there, like, this little, I feel like a little child, like, seeing my, like, favorite, like, actors in front of me. Oh, no. How am I supposed to take control of these people and, like, me when I'm like such big fans of them so I'm trying to like take control of the conversation and it was just like so like I just like kept sinking lower and lower in my

seat just trying to like get them to play this game that Lionsgate brought me to play with them. That's what you should remind people is like especially them like Lionsgate brought me here okay like I'm not going to like I hate when people are like that like I'm paid to be here you know what I mean like I don't know like what to tell you but I was such a big fan so I just like I couldn't even think that way because I was just like in awe of them and so I was just so nervous and I didn't know what to do and they did not

make it any easier for me did you end up playing thely. I think we played like one round and like they didn't fully understand how it went because they weren't paying attention. They didn't listen to the rules. I left it and I was like, I'm not posting that. I just want to crawl up and die. You told the teen.com people that? Oh, this is Lionsgate. This was Lionsgate

years later. Where were they going to put it? Like on social? Because they didn't have TikTok back then, right? No, it was like a Twitter social thing. And you asked them not to post it. They wanted me to post it. I think they sent me home with a flash drive and I just never. Can we please have that footage? Can we air it right now? I don't have it. You don't have it?

No, I probably like burned it. Oh no. That sucks. Maybe it exists online. Because there was one where I did with Selena Gomez, which I know you love her. Yes. We live for Selena Gomez. I did an interview with her too. Was she nice? It was my very first. No. Damn! But she was also

kind of gave me a little attitude when I asked her questions. What? That teen gave me the question to ask. That's so weird. But they edited it to make it look like she was so sweet about answering my question. Really? Yeah. They gave her a good edit. They gave her a good edit. They gave her a good edit. What was the question?

Yeah. It was, like, do you feel like you've changed as a person since, like, becoming famous or something? And she was, like, really upset that I asked her that. She's like, no. I would never change. Like, this is. I was like, oh, my God. Okay, girl.

It was just, like like a little innocent question what i was how old were you i had to have been like 19 or 20 and then how old is she is she like around your age is she the same age like my age so probably like two what a year or two years younger i don't know oh that's so interesting that's so weird she's a little mentally ill too so you never know yeah that's true i guess when you're like mentally unwell well you that's why i don't want to have a podcast you're like scarred from these people really no but i've had i've had great ones taylor swift the sweetest i love her where did you interview her she was in the movie the lorax and so yeah yeah i interviewed him too was he great yeah he was okay um that's great but taylor was like beyond sweet.

So sweet. I was so nervous. And we were like sat across from each other. They were resetting the cameras. She had to have a space heater on her because she couldn't be too cold. Love that. She's so nervous. It took them like a couple minutes.

And she started just asking me questions about me. And just like, I was like, oh my God, wait. She like is genuinely connecting with me. Having a conversation. And like wants to know about me. Like just like, I was like, oh my God, wait. She like is genuinely connecting with me. Having a conversation, yeah. And like wants to know about me. Like she wasn't like faking it. I love to hear that about Taylor. Yeah, love her.

So that was your best interview, you think? I think so. I mean, it's very hard to do that at any age, but especially that age with like no training. I know, I was 19, 20. They just threw me in. Like Rachel McAdams was also so sweet. Love her.

What'd you interview her for? The Vow with Channing Tatum. So are you hired by different companies like Teen.com, Lionsgate? No, it was just Teen.com at that time. Are they still around? No. Oh. What happened?

They just went, you know. They're no longer a team. Adult.com. That's a whole different thing. Would you do that kind of stuff now? No. Really? Never.

Why? Because I get so nervous. Because you're a fanboy. I'm a fangirl of so many things. I'm still dreaming of the day I get to interview people, celebrities. That would be my big – You're so good at it. I get so nervous and I can't even think.

I think a really big A-lister, I'd be nervous. Like for sure. Even like a B-lister, I'd probably be nervous. Like I actually don't know if I could do it, which is probably why it hasn't happened yet. But like those celebrities are huge. Like I would cry if Jennifer Lawrence just started talking. I would be like – I actually don't know what I would do. You would be able to pull it out.

I don't think so. Maybe I would snap, you know, because I'm the opposite. I'm like scared how I would handle it. I'd be like – I don't know. I don't know. Either I would cry or I would snap one of know, because I'm the opposite. I'm like scared how I would handle it. I'd be like, I don't know. I don't know. Either I would cry or I would snap one of the two or just leave. I just think, you know what? I'm just going to exit.

That's brutal. Especially Hunger Games because you're such a fan. But I didn't stop you from auditioning for Hunger Games, too. I did not audition. This is a false. You did audition. This is so funny. I saw the casting tape.

People genuinely think that I auditioned for Finnick. But you did kind of. You were putting it out to the world. Okay People genuinely think that I auditioned for Finnick. But you did kind of. You were putting it out to the world. Okay, yeah, that's true. You made an audition tape. I was definitely pushing for that role. Yes. And I love it.

I'm still like that too. Put it out there. Maybe they'll see it, you know? There used to be the fan casting where there used to be voting on websites of who do you want to play Finnick. And I was daily vlogging, so I was like, you guys should go vote for me. And did it work? Yes.

You were like number one? I was number one. Yeah. And you never got a call? You never heard anything about it from like Lionsgate or anything? Oh. Interesting. But then for Teen.com also, my friend Stacy was a producer there and she was like, we're

going to do a audition tape for Finnick. So you did. But it was a joke. But it wasn't. No, it was. And you wanted to for Finnick. So you did. But it was a joke. But it wasn't. No, I lied. You wanted to be Finnick. No, because she was trolling me behind the camera. She was like, can you eat these sugar cubes while saying your line? So it was so dumb and stupid. What were the sugar cubes

the representative of? What was it supposed to be? So he there's like a scene where he's giving a horse a sugar cube and like the books. Oh, does he eat them? I think so. Oh.

He like pops one in his mouth. Yeah. And you did it? Yeah. I want to see that footage. She was like, more. You need more sugar in your mouth. So I had like five sugar cubes in my mouth

doing the audition. You would have been a really good Finnick because like no shade to the person who played him, but like not memorable. And yours was memorable in my head. Thank you. But Sam Faflin is so fine. Is he famous? What's so fine but he did he got new teeth and i don't love it the veneers yeah the veneers kind of do ruin it and it's not just because i'm jealous it's like truly i don't know if i love it

i get so upset when people with nice teeth get veneers i'm like why like for what reason i know just because everyone has them and now you look like it's like me too i have like little teeth and like next to someone who has like veneers. You're just like damn. You know. Like Tana's got beautiful veneers. So every time I'm next to her. I feel like I have these like little chiclet teeth.

Except for when pops out. Which she monetizes. And I'm like yeah. That is. Are yours real? Yeah. Yours are nice. Yours are nice and big.

Thank you. So he got to post finick his veneers. Yeah. And he looks so different now. Yeah. He's lost so different now. Yeah. He's lost a lot of weight, too. He's very skinny. What's he in?

He was in Daisy Jones and the Six. Oh, really? Yeah. Who is he? The guy. Yeah, the main guy. Oh, that's so interesting. I have to watch it.

Okay. Maybe the next one are games. Maybe you could audition for. I would love. I would love. There's a young. Who is it young? Who's the young one?

Haymitch. They're doing Haymitch's game. So I would just be happy to be one of the tributes. I would love. I would love. There's a young. Who is it young? Who's the young one? Haymitch. They're doing Haymitch's game. So I would just be happy to be one of the tributes. I would too. Is there any old people in the Hunger. I guess at the Capitol. Can I be in the Hunger Games? Yes. Who was the lady with the gray hair? That was what my mom was. What was her name? She was Mags. Mags. Yeah. Which would have been.

She was actually excited you were going to be Finnick because you were in New York but I was like Joey's going to be Finnick and then she looked up their like you know lore in York. But I was like, Joey's going to be Finnick. And then she looked up their lore in the story. And I was like, oh, she gets carried by him. And I was like, oh my god, maybe Joey can do that with me. And I was like, yeah, that would have been so cute. She kept asking me why I was never in any of the tributes videos. And our reasoning was I was too plus size at the time.

But I don't even think. Wait, you weren't around then. I don't think so. Because I think it was maybe a year I became an intern for Strawberry 17 maybe a year after no I think you were definitely around the same time

because I remember watching you and watching that at the same time you had to have been around I don't think so I don't know really no because I remember

no because you weren't in the tree house yet when you did no yeah it was like a year maybe a short time but like a year or something

but there was a couple Tributes music videos you could have been in. You had a few, right? It wasn't just the arena. Didn't you have another one? The arena was the only one with extras. We had one that was like. Well, I could have been in Tribute. Yeah.

Is there no fat Tributes? Not that, you know, me too. Is there no. They're like, no, they should. About Hunger Games, they were starving. They had no food. Wait, really? Yes.

Oh, that's so tea, actually. The only people that would be larger would be if they were capital people. But they got to eat that special pill that made them skinny. I love that. I mean, not love that, but I was like – I thought that was interesting. There was no fat people in the capital. They could eat all this food and no one's fat either. Yeah, because they would throw it up do you remember

us hiding from you when when we were interns by the way like in the house we also talked about there was like a title that said hiding in joey groseff's house was that you or you because i hid in your house once. You hid in my house? Yeah. Wait, why? Wait. What? Why were you hiding? We were, like, scaring someone. Oh, that scary house. This is, like, your scary house.

No, when I was there for, like, two months, I'm going to get out because it was, like, this huge, like, undecorated, like, house that was just so scary. And I rented it. It was, like, $20,000. So many floors. Wait, and you hid? Who were you trying to scare? Was it me?

I forget. No, I think you were part of it and we like we scared Shane or Daniel or Drew maybe maybe and you were just like

and did you end up scaring did you do a successful scare yeah I wonder who it was I think it's in a vlog somewhere but you like led them into your bedroom and like

we all hid in your bedroom and like jumped out wait really David Dobrik over there oh my god that's like my biggest fear in the world is someone like hiding in my room and like jumped out and scared me. Wait, really? David Dobrik over there. Oh my God. That's like my biggest fear in the world

is someone like hiding in my room and like scaring me. Yeah. You said you had someone that like literally do you want to talk about that? Yeah, no, I have. That house had so many intruders. Like I had a lot of intruders.

Because. The way she casually talks about this. She's like, I was sleeping and someone just was over my head. Yeah, yeah, this house. And it's like, that's why I like left early. I was just like, because I prep and someone just was over my head. Yeah. Yeah. This house. And it's like, that's why I like left early. I was just like, cause I prepaid it six months in advance. I'm leaving early.

This is the only time I've ever called 911 was at this house. And like each time you call 911, it takes like literally an hour for people to get here. Cause it was up in the hills on Mulholland drive. Never ever live in the hills. Cause cops will take so long. Did you talk about that story about how someone was literally standing over you? I think I've talked about it in the past. It's so scary. I think at the time I was like really scared. So I think I've talked about it in the past. That's so scary.

I think at the time I was like really scared, so I didn't. And I never want to give people ideas. But it was because I lived alone. And there was multiple entrances to the house. There was like a side stairs all the way down. So it was like six stories, but it was like stairs all the way down. And then there was these little old crickety doors you could just like pop open easily. And it happened, I would say, three times.

Like too frequently. And then I remember I called the cops. And cops were at my door and I didn't want to open the door because I thought it was like fake cops. And they're like, you called us. And I was like, but I don't know if these are real cops. I didn't want to open the door. I was so scared. And then the cops would come with like flashlights and the thing and I'd just be terrified.

That was the most like stressful. That is really scary. Yeah. I just, another reason why I'm so happy I'm married. I have like a security system. I have everything built in one. Because living alone anymore, I would, like you have dogs, which is like smart because they like bark and stuff, you'll know.

But living alone was the scariest. I think at that time too, it was just like a weird time. I don't know. The houses in the hills, you know, are just notoriously known for, I had no gate. I had nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it was scary.

And maybe that's why I don't like people jumping out. That's why I was like, did I get scared? No, we must have been the person scaring somebody. Yes. I think that's the first time I met you was at that house. Yes, it was. Yeah. I remember being so nervous, too.

I think you had a Letterman's jacket on when you came over. Oh, probably. And I thought that was so cool. Oh, my God. Such a jock. I was so nervous, like, just hanging out. It was fun, though. I loved being in that group because I loved being, like, I was such a pick-me. I was, like, the only girl. So I was like, oh, this is so fun. We had so much fun. It was fun though i loved being in that group because i loved being like i was such a pick me i was like the only girl so i was like this is so fun we had so much fun

it was fun until it got dark right yeah yeah i feel like with you when we would all hang out like all five of us like drew and shane and you and daniel i feel like it wasn't too bad no maybe it's like when he hung out individually with people yeah i think when it was like me and him is when we would talk the most person but you know know, you always, this is what I would like come to terms with after our friendship is like when I found out he was talking about me, I'm like, well, that makes sense. If you're talking about everyone, I'm probably talking about you too. For sure. And I don't like that anymore either.

Cause I just think it's, I don't know. Bad karma. Yeah. Even here, even when we're like being cutesy, shady, I'm always like with you, I was like, let me just tell Joey, I don't like mean any of it, you know? Just like escape the night, you know? Like I don't, I care, but not that, you know? Of course. Just, like, escape the night, you know? I know. I care, but not that much.

No. I know. I hold on to a little bit. But it really is, like, a jealousy thing. I was so – because that's so up my alley to do, like, a cosplay-themed show. It's going to happen. But it'll be bigger and better when you're actually on it. What do you think would be the – because you did 80s for this.

Yeah, for the movie extra episode. So what do you think would be like your big one? I would love to do like a liminal space in the 90s where it's like back rooms and like kind of like Chuck E. Cheese vibes I think would be fun. Oh, like Five Nights at Freddy's? Yeah. That's scary. I would love

to do 1950s in a neighborhood. In a neighborhood? Yeah. Like a house? Yeah, you know like Desperate Housewives like that neighborhood doing it universal that'd be so fun oh my god

so cute but 1950s you could be like a housewife yes I would love oh my god that'd be so much fun

you should do the alien one because it's so relevant now like there's aliens amongst us aliens yeah you never you haven't heard about this coming out from the water

that's all we talk about are not topics wait the aliens yeah the aliens are here. So I feel like if you did Escape the Night doing an alien invasion is very relevant and realistic. I love that. Absolutely. You believe in the aliens?

I do. Have you ever felt the presence of one? No. You wish. Yeah, I wish. I'm ready to be probed. You want to be probed? Yes.

Is that what it probed me? Aliens would be crazy at probing. Is that what they do, right? I guess that's what they're known for. I had a crazy dream once that I fell in love with an alien and he destroyed the world. But because I fell in love with him, he took me with him. How romantic is that? Oh, that's – wait, a dream or did you just think about this sometimes? It was a dream.

It was so – Were you sad you woke up? Yeah. Because he chose me. It's very Earth Girls Are Easy. Have you seen that movie? Mm-mm. Jeff Goldblum and Jim Carrey are aliens and I think Damon Wayans.

And it's the same thing. Geena Davis falls in love with Jeff Goldblum as an alien and he takes her back to space with him. I think they do destroy the world here. It's like in LA and they do destroy LA. It's kind of good. It's like back in the 80s. You should watch it because Escape the Night was in the 80s. So you were based off Marnie McFly were there other like movie characters?

I think it was just like the classic like 80s. There was no like 80s pop star like Tiffany. There was. Who was that? Who played that role? I'll ask Hannah today. I'll be like so tell me. No. I think I knew. Oh, you know how I think I knew? I think one of my makeup artists was asked to do the makeup and then he never heard back. I think his name, Louis, was asked. Oh, okay.

And he was like, I was supposed to do it and then never heard back. And I was like, oh, okay. But I think he knew like some of the names on it. Maybe that's how I heard. I don't know. I just know a lot of lore about this movie, Escape the Night. I love that. And when's it coming out?

I think in the spring. Okay, so soon. Yeah, it's being edited right now. Oh, my God. Final episode on your channel. Yeah. Well, I don't know I think in the spring. Okay, so soon. Yeah, it's being edited right now. Oh, my God. Final episode on your channel. Yeah. Well, I don't know yet. We'll see.

Shopping it around like Casey Neistat with the documentary. Yes, exactly. Just like that. Didn't you ask David Dobrik to do Escape the Night? Immediate rejection. From David? Yeah. What does that mean, immediate?

Like the second we sent the offer, no. Did he respond himself? I think it was his agent, but I got hurt. And I was like- I've never- Like the second we sent the offer, no. Did he respond himself? I think it was his agent. But I got hurt. And I was like, I'm never acknowledging your presence ever again. That's a wild one, David. What year is that, you think? That was probably for season three.

So like 2018 maybe or 17. That's interesting. Have you ever had any other rejections that you were like, damn. Yeah, there was like so many. Like what's the one that hurt? Or not hurt,ions that you were like damn yeah there was like so many like what's the one that hurt or not hurt but that you're sad about maybe i mean i always wanted jenna marbles but she oh yeah that's like not her vibe yeah um who else did you try emma chamberlain or no i remember oh yeah that was one because i remember i kept pitching like names for collabs or whatever and you kept being like they turned out to skip the night. Like, because I was dating, it was Emma.

Who else around that time? Maybe the Dolan twin or something. I don't know. I don't remember. Oh, so there was quite a few people who said no. Yeah. Even this time, like, asking people to be in the movie. It's probably so different because it's not, like, YouTube-red backed, right?

Don't you think? Maybe if there's not the budget behind it. No, for sure. I mean, this was, like, just, like like getting my friends to be a part of it. Like the pay was nothing great. It was like. But in the original, the pay was better. It was fine.

I don't think it was anything great. Can you say it and I'll bleep it out? I just really want to know. I promise I'll bleep it out. I honestly don't remember. Oh, you don't know how much? I want to say it was like maybe. I could be making this up.

I think maybe. For how many days of filming? Up to five days. Yeah, I mean that's not bad. And then there was like a bonus if they like posted about it. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, so they didn't have to.

There was no social post required. Okay, that's not bad. I was wondering because when they were talking about pay and everything, I wonder how much they got paid to be here. No, it really wasn't much. It was more just like to be in it. Experience. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is what it was back in the day. People collabing and wanting to be on stuff. Yeah. Do you regret the drama that Daniel started with Sofia Nygaard after one of the seasons though? Because that was the one time I was like, sister, a little too much. Not too much on Sofia because I love Sofia.

Oh, he came for Sofia. Yeah. He came for Sofia. So I feel so bad because she was one that like it took her a long time to warm up and like feel comfortable. And I think she didn't that like it took her a long time to warm up and like feel comfortable. And I think she didn't really have any YouTuber friends at that time. And so she – by the time she got killed, she did not see it coming. And it was like she went into like a state of shock.

Like she – they came in and killed her. And I went to go give her a hug and her arms were just like by her side and she just like went limp. And I just like remember being like, oh my God, she's like, she's somewhere else right now. Oh no. And so I think she got really hurt by the experience of being killed off without like mentally preparing and she like was just opening up to people. But then the next day she came to set and she was like in better spirits. But I think she like shocked her. But she didn't promote the show at all afterwards really.

So it probably was like a traumatic experience. I think she was a little hurt by it. Did you have like any like therapist on standby? No. Because I feel like Big Brother had that. Like they had the therapist like right when you got out to be like here talk to this person because it is like a shocking thing I mean even if it's like a little something like that it's probably just like especially if you're not used to it just like holy then you're just like gone and did you guys like traitors they just murder someone

and then like you don't see it they just get like a little note were you like recreating like reenacting the like kill um there it would be like a moment where we'd like pause and be like okay so you die if we're gonna like now repel the cameras to like have you be stabbed or something. Oh so no one just came out of the blue and just started. With her it kind of was a little bit of a shock. Like I would actually be traumatized.

What the twist was Manny and Nikita went into a challenge. So we thought it was between the two of them that one was going to come back. But there was a twist. Whoever chose Nikita to go into the challenge was – and Nikita won, got killed. So the bad guy came into our lounge where we were allegedly safe and came and – I mean, the director came in and was like right he's coming to kill you my poor sister

my poor Sophia I love it I thought like literally someone just came in and started killing I'd be like that would be crazy but she didn't I don't know it was kind of like thrown on her like it's happening now as opposed to fighting for her life yeah

damn that sounds like a traumatic show actually PTSD I think Daniel was just being protective of the show as opposed to fighting for her life yeah damn that sounds like a traumatic show actually PTSD yeah I think Daniel was just being protective of the show and just wanted what did he say I think he just said

like she didn't promote it and yeah he was very that's what I'm saying a little sass king over here I think he takes

things more personally than you do no he definitely does which is awesome I mean I relate I take things personally but I'm not one to vocalize

it publicly and he would just like instantly like be up to defend. Yeah. Which is – I get it. That's like with the Christmas party. He's like some people brought gifts over $50. And I was like, that makes your party better. Did you – you brought the iPad?

I brought the iPad and the Balenciaga sweatshirt. Iconic. Better than any of the other gifts being – what was it? Like someone had like brought sushi or something. I was like, I don't want that. Sushi that sushi yeah or was it someone else's christmas party am i mixing it up no there was some crazy gifts there i thought i like made the party no that was so fun the christmas party with the ipad yes i loved it and i got disinvited this following year because daniel said i broke the rules and i can't be invited he's like some people don't

know how to play this game. I was like, oh my God. Okay. Isn't that serious? I'm so sad. About the Christmas party? About you not being invited back. I was, 2019, I definitely was out of my mind.

So I definitely probably didn't care. But I was like, definitely on some meth or something. Yeah, I'm sure it was a time. But I definitely remember there was drama videos around it though. No. And then also something with you and Laura Lee, too. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because Laura put it in her giveaway. And then you. Oh, yeah. She gave away that. Yes. It's all coming back to me. It's coming back to me. Yes.

I'm like, wait. I forget, too, sometimes. Like the Laura bit. You're right. That's what it was. And I was so angry. I was in my angry era. I was like, you.

I was so mad. Oh, my God. I was like, oh, my God. It probably wasn't that big of a deal. I've apologized through this podcast to them. Oh, okay. Being a little dramatic, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Now it's coming back. But that was just you. Yeah. Yeah. That was just, that's what I thought for the longest time. That was just Trish. Yeah, that was.

I always thought that. I was like, you know what? This is just me. People have to deal with this, but not the case. Probably should get some help if you are angry and causing ruckus in people's lives. It really is crazy. I know. Like thinking about that.

Oh, we didn't talk about your witch-ness. Your spell. Oh my God. Okay. So actually it's so funny because you were my first introduction to crystals. We did a collab, right? We did a collab. And it was actually so sweet.

You bought me like a really fancy crystal at the end. You like gifted it to me. And I remember thinking like that was the sweetest thing. We went to the store in, is it Silver Lake eagle rock yeah i think eagle rock there was one like in like east la we went to and it was like really small yeah do you remember that one i don't remember spellbound sky yes that sounds very familiar and we went and i was i wasn't really like into crystals that much back then but i love crystals i love healing and i love wiccan like there was definitely lots of eras even as a a kid, I was definitely thought I was a witch. I had a witch

era again in 2021. Like I love just natural elements and making spells. Like I do spells all the time. Like I love it. I work a lot with like smoke and I work a lot with water and I have like water spell books. Like I have, I love like natural element spells. Okay. So when you came down, you sat here and you said something that you cast a spell on yourself to be on time. Oh, my God. Okay. So I went to this wellness retreat thing in like Napa Valley. It's called the Hoffman Process. And basically it like detaches you from the patterns that you subconsciously learn from your parents.

And there was something in there. They tell you not to talk about the process because there's a lot that happens that you kind of need to experience without knowing. But there's something in there that honestly felt like magic. There's something where you think about something that you want to change in your life. And you do this thing with your hands where you like make them like almost like friction and warm and something and you start like radiating energy there and then you imagine something in between your hands and some like image will just pop in and for some reason like the class like used me as an example and so they're like what do you see and I was like a gumball or something and so they're like okay smack your hands together and like get rid of that gumball

while you're thinking of something that you want to change. And so I was like, I'll just get rid of being late. And honestly, since then, like I'm always on time. You're like 10 minutes early today. I know. I thought I was early. Yeah. I was like, dang.

That was crazy. Because people – sometimes people are right on time, but a lot of times people are like a half hour late, especially coming this far. But aside from that, like I love witchy things. I actually just got into like – this is probably going to sound so weird, but Hecate. What's that? She's like the goddess of witchcraft. She's someone that I like go to for help now.

And she's been like like she's had my back hecate so she's like a guide like a spirit or something she's or a person she's like mother witchcraft basically but like okay is it like print is like a god like you're praying are you like talking how are you communicating basically yeah as if she's like my goddess and so whenever i need help or like i she's like a deity or something. I don't know. She's like the person that I go to. I've never heard of her because I did such a study on like – I just like studied this so much.

I've never heard of this. I need to learn more about her. I was getting TikToks. It's like Hecate is recruiting. She needs new members. And I was like, I'm there. What does she need? And literally before Escape the Night because there was like a lot of stuff behind the scenes that was just going wrong.

And I was like, Hecate, if you were real, please let this weekend go well. And somehow everything came together. Wow. And since then I was like, all right, girl, you're with me. You love Hecate now. I love her. Oh, my gosh. And so do you say like, do you do spell work?

Do you do potions? What do you do? Right now I'm just starting out, but there are certain things that she likes. So I need to create an altar for her. But I have dedicated any time I see a repeating number, like 11, 11, 12, 12, I will acknowledge her presence and I will thank her for anything that's going on. So I've dedicated any time that I do see that to her.

Does she help you with the dogs? What do you mean? Like protecting them? Probably. If I ask her, she will. I feel like if Hecate was around during the one that got breached, you know, maybe she could have like helped. Not that you could, I think, but maybe she could have, you know?

No, for sure. That's very cool. I need to look into this because we have a little altar for Buddha. We give him apples in the morning and coffee. Yeah? Stuff like that. It works. So, like, you know, just making people happy, just making the spirits, the guides happy.

Yeah. I'm all about that. I didn't know that. I need to look at that. I love Wiccan because it is, like, the most, like, it's, like, the original, I hate to say the word religion, but it's, like, the original, like, prayer. Yeah, well, then you would love Hecate. She's, like, the mother of Wiccan

is there like a visual that goes with her? is it you know how people draw like Aphrodite and stuff like is there I'm not sure I don't know what she looks like

yeah look her up Oscar yeah see what she is I think you're gonna look like the girl from The Ring with all the hair in front of her

no oh why? I think she's kind of fierce that's scary I've never seen it but I just always see the little girl crawling on the TV. And I was like, that sounds like a hecate.

One time my therapist told me, because this was when Daniel and I first broke up. I was scared to live alone. And I was like scared of demons. And my therapist was like, well, why don't you just like make friends with the demons? And I was like, okay. And are you friends with them? Oh, she's stunning. That is very me with the dogs. Oh my God. That's actually so weird that she has two dogs.

What's the lore behind that? That's so weird. Those are your Huskies. Do you still have both of them? Yeah. I have moon and wolf. And then I have a golden. Oh yeah.

The gold. That's not, that was my big question. Why did I not get a golden retriever? Yeah. Do you remember? I kept dropping hints. I was like, damn, I wish I can already. No, this was, I had Yeah. Do you remember? I kept dropping hints. I was like, damn.

Maybe because you have 10 already. No, this was, I had two. I had two at the time. Yeah. And it was when, it was Monty's litter. And I was like, oh, if only I could have one of these dogs. Oh, I love this one. And you'd be like, yeah.

Which one did you like? Me? Yeah. You'd be like, yeah. I'm like, I just, I wish I could have one of these. Oh, I love her. There was one girl that was kind of bigger. She was like a chunkier kind of girl.

What was her name? I think she had the pink collar. I think that's the one I got. Is that the one you have now? Yeah. Oh, he kept it for you. Well, there was quite a few. I was kind of pointing them out left

and right they all look the same one if you were trying to find ones for them because if you were trying to find a home you think he would be like here's a home it wasn't for me it was daniel's dog yeah so i do think daniel might have been the root so you had to go to daniel to ask for it yeah not me i, so I was like, I wish I could have one. Well, if there's, if Waymore gets you a litter of Goldens. We did. Yeah, it was the last rescue I did with him. We rescued a pregnant Golden Retriever.

They had like 50 there, and my dog I have now. That was so sad, because Goldens are like the most loving dogs, and we go there and like they would not come near us. They were so scared. She's still a little messed up, but she's very sweet.nie but they came from like pennsylvania so she's not good in cars because of that drive and she's really anxious because they were like abused you have a golden then from that from our last rescue not daniel's litter this we rescued like

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Public Mobile. Different is calling. Oh, July, I guess. Yeah. So how many dogs now do you have total? Three. Three golden retrievers. Oh.

Yeah. You're a golden retriever. You're over there. That's so crazy. Only goldens. They're the best. Once you go golden, you never go back. Really? Yeah. You have huskies. golden we're trying to call it over there that's so crazy only goldens oh they're the best once you go golden you never go back really yeah huskies well now that i've gotten a golden i

will never change like really yeah the gag was daniel's dog montana is related to my dog i'm the reason he has my stop yes because he was like where did you get your dog i was like oh from this girl so oh i really was oh one of one of his puppies. Yeah, you were. You definitely were. And my other question for you is, did you know I was eating your dog treats? Because you had those blueberry dog treats and you have nothing in your pantry. I don't. I don't.

If you are hungry, do not go to Joey Christopher's house. That's for sure. Yeah. I had nothing. There's never treats. Nothing there. Nothing. I was eating those blueberry dog biscuits from the dog cookie jar. And I remember I was eating them.

I think you must have been upstairs or something. Cause I was alone in the kitchen. And then I think moon, I remember moon was just like sitting in front of me thinking they were pregnant. And I was like, no, I'm hungry.

That's all I have. Did you notice? I don't think so. Maybe you told me afterwards. I think I kept it a secret. Cause I was like, no, I'm hungry. That's all I have with those dog treats. Did you notice? I don't think so. Maybe you told me afterwards. I think I kept it a secret because I was like, I don't know if I'm supposed to be doing this. Wait, I saw somewhere in the podcast you mentioned that you had a crush on someone who was an actor in Escape the Night. Oh, yes. Dennis.

He was my high school crush. What character was he? He was in the opening. I forget what he did. It was in the season three, the first episode. It was like before the circus, like when it, before it went dark, like when everyone thought it was a good time, you know, and like everyone was having fun. Was he a clown or was he just like an extra?

I think he died. He might've been like the first death or something. He had a kind of a big scene though. But he wasn't an influencer? No, he was just an actor. Yeah. You don't remember Dennis? Wow. It was like a quick i would remember everyone for my music videos

i had a dancer audition yesterday and one of our extras from sad boy was there and i was like why isn't sad boy on your resume because he was in a music video and he didn't have it down he's also in jojo's karma video i'm not like that's on it but not sad boy but i recognize everybody sometimes like your moholland song will like pop in my head I'm like I think when I'm ever on Mulholland Drive I'm like I'm on the wrong side of Mulholland Drive You did give me

I remember when I did the tribute to like Panic and My Chemical Romance and I did reach out and you're like oh this is like so cool. So good No one liked that era but I loved that era I was so fun. She's like oh my god I'm nervous that Joey's coming like do you think he even likes me and I was like, oh, this is like so cool. So good. No one liked that era, but I loved that era. I was like, oh my God, I'm nervous that Joey's coming. Like, do you think he even likes me? And I was like, literally through everything,

I remember you were always talking so sweet about it. He was always watching your videos through every like cancellation. He was always standing. Yeah. True. We knew both. Yes.

We're always like, what could we do with Trish? Yeah. That was like our first video. That was true. We did do a lot of videos together because we did the green one, which I actually, I was so skinny in that video. I look back at that and I was like, God, I was like so skinny. We did so many collabs.

I was looking last night and I was like, damn, we collabed a lot. We did. Well, the like weird ones were like back in the day, like the ones where we're doing like the, what? There was a 7-Eleven slushie. I watched that one last night and you're like, why are we doing this? Yeah. You're like, only at Joey Graceffa's house would there be like a child's toy that we're like why are we doing this yeah you're like only at Joey Graceffa's house

would there be like a child's toy that we're like playing with I remember thinking it was weird back then did we do something too with like

I don't know like we made soap exactly that's what I'm saying like what was happening back then I was probably just

happy to clap with anybody I was like yeah but I liked our ones later on like the fast food you came and ate like me for a day that was cause of Oscar took over and was like producing for me.

That was so good though. Oscar would like hide. You hid back then too? You hid in the back seat. Exactly. I was asked about that too. I was like, why did you hide? You're just like down.

I was like, oh, are you not supposed to be here? Like it was so. I don't know. I feel like we never talked about it. But for some reason I was just trying to like not be in the scene. But I don't know. It's not like Joey gave the direction, hey, like, when we're filming, hide behind the seat and act like you're not in it.

So you just did that on your own then? Because he was always behind the camera. Yeah. It was always a voice. Like, it was always Oscar, like, being, like, my rebuttal and, like, cooking fun. There was one where you guys were vlogging together, but you never acknowledged him. Like, he's in the passenger seat, and you're in the driver's seat, and you're just talking and never acknowledge him.

And he was, like, smiling back there. And I was like, but he was so clearly in the frame. We just, we weren't even watching so many of your videos. What was it? It was the last rescue, when we were on the way to Wagmore. I feel like I'd always be like, all right, I'm here. We're rescuing here with Oscar. No, I don't think so.

Not this one. Not this one. There was no reference. It was just, like, you two in frame, and there was, like, no reference to someone saying Oh, that's so awkward. No, I don't think so not this one not this one there was no reference it was just like you two in frame and there was like no references oh that's so awkward no I don't think so it's just funny I think people knew

at that point like who he was because we've done like five at that point so I was like it's just another one because Darian was in one of your vlogs

like there was like a whole like lore I was like oh you were in it quite a lot actually yeah which is so funny to like see it full circle that's why I was like

I just never know you know I still never know if people like me I'm like I don't know I mean I didn't I wasn't sure if you still liked me. I do, yeah. The pregnant pause.

I was trying to think what you asked so I could make sure I answered it right. I'm like, okay, what did you just ask? It's like when you said you were boring. I was like trying to process it. I was like, are you saying I think you're, no, you said boring. By the way, boring is not bad. I always say this about our lives. I'm always like, our lives are so boring or Moses was boring. But I mean that in the best way. What do I mean when I say boring? I mean it in a nice way.

Drama free. Drama free and calm. Yeah, yeah. No, that's what I mean. So when you say boring, to me, I'm like, I love that. You know what I mean? Because it's just a calm life. And I feel like when there are scandals that arise, it's just better to be boring rather than scandalous. Yeah, it's never fun to be involved how do you do it especially when you're like associated with like do you get anxiety do you get stressed so much

like i was doing this weird thing i was like this is gonna sound so no i'm not gonna say it wait you have to like witchy stuff to protect myself and like you that's not bad. You know circle of salt? Yes. The black salt around you. Yeah. So when you pee, there's salt in your urine. So I would literally, when I let the dogs out in my backyard, I'd literally piss in a circle and be like, I am protected. Yeah. I'm a circle. That's not bad. Oh, I peed in a circle for sure before.

I did that all the time. And it's helped. I feel like around this house, it's helped so much for sure. I did the whole house. I was like, I need a circle of protection. And it works. You beat around your whole house? Yes.

There's no evil energy after the evil energies have left. Oh, my God. Okay. I'm glad I'm not the only one. No, I definitely have done that. I definitely have staged a lot down here after the last podcast I had to like stage. Because it's just bad energy and you're just like, Jesus, like how do I get this out of my house? So I think saging helps.

The salt, I do a lot of the salt everywhere. That's for sure. I was doing a lot of rituals where like any negativity that was directed towards me, I reflected tenfold. So – That works too. I'm sure anyone who's – Evil eye.

Did that. Yeah. Yeah. Got something ten times worse. I feel that but it does work because there's so many times where people like

later on down the road like people that I've had like falling out with you know people will start seeing the light and they'll be like oh my god Trisha was right or Trisha was this

or something like that and I really do think it's that. I'm like I always just I'm the same way. I'm just like please protect me. Please let me be a shield. Please let any

you know I was the negative energy for a long time so I think I had to like exile myself first and then protect it but now when there's like negative energy i'm very much like get this away you know i mean i feel like we've done pretty good protecting it around here we have a lot of crystals too i do them wrong i think i wash them wrong i always think you're supposed to do it on like a full moon but you're supposed to do it on like a new moon or something i'm very bad with moon work oh i don't know the difference there's one you're supposed to manifest

and then there's one you're not supposed to manifest. Like you're supposed to like get rid of something and I don't know which one is which. I know. I'm not sure either. I just see it on Instagram. It's like tonight is this moon. Like be sure to write down everything you want to get rid of and rip it up and throw it down the toilet and like all this stuff.

But I do it on wrong occasions sometimes. Sometimes I manifest when I'm supposed to clear out. Yeah. I'm like a full moon. That seems like the perfect time to manifest. I don't think so. But it's like new moons or something. Yeah, yeah. Like twilight.

Twilight, new moon. Wait, what's your current hyper fixation? Oh, God, I'm kind of not in one at the moment. I know. We need to get you into something. I was very Bridgerton. It's my favorite. It was like The Idol, and then it was Bridgerton. I don't think I have one, do I? Not really, no, because then you had Wicked for a long time. Oh, I love Wicked.

Did you see it? Yeah. I love Jonathan Bailey, but he got too famous for me. So I was like, let me get over him. But he was in Bridges in season two and I was really upset. Get over? Isn't he gay? Well, I mean, I'm not going to date him. I just was obsessed. Although I do think in my head sometimes I'm like, I could date him.

Yeah. You should date him. Yeah. I mean, he is very attractive. Oh, he's not tall and dark and handsome. No, but I would make an exception. Really? I think he's like 5'8 or him. Yeah. I mean, he is very attractive. Oh, he's not tall and dark and handsome. No, but I would make an exception. Really? I think he's like 5'8 or something.

Oh, he is. He is a short king, but I love it. Which is surprising because Fiyero, in the Broadway call, you have to be over six foot to play Fiyero. So did you see Wicked? Yeah. You just asked me. Oh, did I?

Did you like it? I did. You're not a musical person. I enjoy musicals. But you don't love it. Like, I feel like, yeah. Yeah. You're like, it? I did. You're not a musical person. I enjoy musicals. But you don't love it. Like, I feel like, yeah. Yeah. You're like, it's just okay.

I saw it once, and I'll watch it again, but. Not your thing. What's your hyper fixation? Oh, right now, I've been playing Marvel Rivals. Have you played it? Oh, yeah. I was just playing with Callie. That's the game I played with Callie.

Oh, you're a gamer? Yeah. What do you mean? It's his whole brand. Oh, you love the block one. What's the one the block sword are you in that movie coming out i should be did you ever try to get in it because you were like the original minecraft page i remember that about you you had those swords in the blockheads

like all the crazy yeah minecraft has never worked with me they work with like all these other people but how do you feel about that annoyed i'm like i was the original like minecraft boy shirtless that's so true and your hair was like sticking up when you did it yes that is and so you never try to reach out or get like agents at any time reaching out i i should but that's how i felt when you got a was it mcdonald's you got like a fast food sponsorship no i i got coachella tickets what i went to coachella with mcdonald's i didn't get like paid by them they just got me tickets how does that happen so you just like reach out to a brand like can i go to coachella with you guys i think i just told my manager i was like i want to go to coachella and they're like mcdonald's is doing they're

giving away a pass and it was was general admissions. No, really? And you went for that? Did you have to promote it? Yeah. And what were you like – That's probably where you saw the picture. And you're like, I love French fries. What was the picture?

It was probably me eating French fries. And do you eat McDonald's French fries? I love their French fries. What? Yes. That is so not you. I've never known you to ever eat fast food. No, 100%.

I mean, I'm gluten-free, but I love their chicken nuggets. Their chicken selects was my favorite. Are those gluten-free? They need to bring those back. No. So what happens when you eat gluten? Just like blow up. Like my stomach.

No. Like my stomach just gets like so inflamed. Oh, bloated? Yeah, bloated. That's why. You don't blow. I don't bloat. I just always like this.

But that makes sense. I do eat a lot of chicken nuggets. I love McDonald's though. Wait, I never knew this about you. I've never seen you eat fast food. So you always ate healthy. You did a whole video eating fast food. Because it was like a shock for him.

I was like, wow, I'm eating fast food. But did you secretly like it? Secretly, I loved it publicly. Really? Yeah. Oh gosh, I just don't remember that. But you had your health thing though for like, yeah, because I remember we wanted to do it like early on when I started working with you.

But then you were like, you had that thing with your stomach where you couldn't even like. Yeah, I couldn't even like touch gluten. Yeah. And it would just make you like sick. Yeah. It would just blow up. That's why you had to eat all the greens.

That was awful. That was crazy. I still hate greens to this day. You did kind of make them somewhat good. You did something in like a blender or you sauteed or something. Yeah, it was like a steamer. Oh, yeah. That actually was good.

You steamed some asparagus or something. Oh, yeah. That was kind of tasty. I can still get down with some asparagus if we go to like Mastro's to be healthy. I was like, all right, I can have some of that. But they probably put like butter in it. But it's so – just greens are not my thing. Yeah.

You know? What's the point? I feel that. Do you think you live longer? Probably not. What? Do you think you live longer if you eat more greens? Yes.

I don't know. My grandparents lived pretty long and they only ate bacon. How old were they? Maybe not that old. Maybe they were only like in their 60s. Well, you know what? One lived to be 80. I just feel like people lived longer back in the day, right?

Don't we die? Really? They live longer now. No. Yes. I feel like when we get older, we're going to be in like 120, 150. 120, 150. What's that mean?

You're old. I think that's how old our generation will get to. No. What? No. No. Maybe the next generation, like Malibu, maybe they'll be. I don't think we're going to be 150. That's crazy. our generation will get to. What? No. No, maybe the next generation, like Malibu. What do you think?

I don't think we're going to be 150. That's crazy. Maybe you. You eat really healthy. Not really anymore. Really? What? I had a burger and french fries last night.

Whoa. A turkey burger? No. A real beef burger. From where? From Valley Burger Bar. With a bun? A gluten-free bun.

Okay, love that. I'll say that. Damn. Who is this? I donfree bun. Okay. Love that. Yeah. Damn. Who is this? I don't know. This is actually so crazy. It is crazy to see you because I feel like the last time I saw you was probably my other podcast with the flop one that was in my living room.

Oh my God. I forgot we did that. Yeah. That was so nice you did come on that one. What do you mean nice? Because you know what? That one was kind of – this is also kind of – this is also just in my basement. It feels a little more professional but it's not really but it was nice because like it

was hard to find guests back then i was like i don't know who wants to just come to someone's house and like sit on the mic i would like to do that but you know what i mean it wasn't professional i think i was doing my own sound myself i think i was like starting and stopping it after like 60 minutes and it was great but it's also like oh my god yeah you just have like one camera guy and yeah even that was an upgrade for me to have a camera guy. Like I probably should have just done it myself and like moved it around. But I don't know how to do all that. Oh, my God.

What's next for you, Joey and Rosafa? What's your middle name? Michael. Wow. Joseph Michael. Sounds like a character from Dawson's Creek. Really? Yeah.

I never watched it. It's a very biblical name I feel, Joseph Michael. Was your parents biblical? Not really. I'm like, why'd you even do that? I'm like, I couldn't Joseph Michael. Was your parents biblical? Not really. I'm like, why'd you even do that? And like, couldn't get original, have the same name as my dad. I'm like. Joseph Michael is his name too?

No, he has a different middle name, but he's also Joseph. Me too. I'm a junior too. I love juniors. I always, I wish we had a boy named Moses. He's like, no, like that's crazy. Like that's, that's cool to have be named after your dad. I guess.

Yeah. I don't know. Talk to your dad? Yeah. Okay. Your your dad. I guess. Yeah. I don't know. You talked to your dad? Yeah. Okay. Your dad and you are cool. Yeah. Your mom, how's she doing?

Not great. She lives in Florida. She's still back and forth with recovery of being an alcoholic. I don't talk to her. I haven't talked to her in maybe two years. I just had to put up a boundary because she was using me and it just felt like I wasn't really her son. I was just like a piggy bank to her. So I just had to protect myself and cut her off. Wow. Was it hard? I mean, it's been so off and on over the years. Like having such like a

up and down relationship, it just like is so unstable. And like I love stability. And she was like just a very toxic aspect of my life where I felt like she was never adding anything. She was just taking. And so I knew for myself I had to put up walls. And she disrespected me way too many times where I just had to cut it off. Does your sister have communication with her? Yeah. So I know that she's doing fine and whatnot, but.

That's good though. Yeah. That's probably hard. That's so hard to like, even if it's like the most toxic relationship, but still you're like mom and you're just like, damn. I don't know. So another thing, like I went on that retreat for a week. You learn to mourn your parents' death and you go through this whole process.

So honestly honestly to me she's been dead for a long time and she's not the same person I knew growing up and um it's weird like I had a music video about her where it was um basically mourning someone that's still alive is such an odd thing um because she's not the person, but she's still walking and a human here on this planet. But to me, she's completely different. Yeah. So.

Just doesn't, not around anymore. It doesn't exist. Yeah. I remember that music video. Was that after the Don't Wait? It was kind of like also the same kind of fantasy vibe, right? This one was more like, it was a very like accurate representation of what my life was like when I was a kid with her. Was she like a monster in the video though?

No. That was Don't Wait. So she was like a witch in that one. But I did like an actual one. What's the song called? It's called Letting You Go. Oh, I think I saw it. And it was beautifully shot. I worked with this amazing director and she really was able to capture like the essence of like the house that I lived in and some scenes of like my mom like being drunk and going in front of like the neighbor's house and like waving a stick in the air and like telling me that she was going to die and come back as a bird. And like it's just so traumatizing and embarrassing and being taken off to like rehab like constantly

throughout my childhood. In front of like everyone. Mm-hmm. And how old were you? Started when I was eight years old. Oh, wow. My friends would be like, where's your mom? And I was like, oh, she's on a work trip.

Meanwhile, she's in rehab for two months. And then she'd come back and she'd be good for a while. But then just like all throughout my life, it was just constantly up and down, back and forth. Unstable. Yeah. And then you said that's why you like stability now. Yeah.

But it's interesting because you do, because even now you're like, you do kind of move back and forth a little bit like you were in london for a year and then you have a house here but you're like i don't know if i want to stay here so that's interesting because i think like someone like you would want to just be in one spot forever i know and i think that's what brings me back here when i go to london for a while i'm like oh i just want to be home so it's like your home here yeah because my friends are here and i just like i have roots yeah yeah ellie feels like home after you because you've been here and i just like i have roots yeah yeah ellie feels

like home after you because you've been here how long since 20 years oh my god 20 years 2011 so like 17 years it's a long time considering you're like so young too so that is like the majority of your life here you're from boston massachusetts yeah and do you ever go back i go back in the summertime and are you part like in a like a fan likeantucket, like that area or what part of Boston? No, it's like a small town called Marlborough. Okay. Yeah.

It's just like a. And you would never go back there? To live? Yeah. Oh my God. Don't scare me. Mood, mood. Me too.

No. I'm from Illinois and the thought of having to live back there, I'm like. Oh. Yeah. I like to go visit. I like it. Like it's beautiful and like I love the greenery and I love big fluffy clouds. So I get that

fantasy. Okay. You should come out this way. We have big clouds here. We're like in a cloud in the morning. We wake up and there's like huge clouds. Really? Yeah. What is it called? The fog? What is that? What are we in? We're in a big cloud in the morning and it's so cool. Oh, no, no, no. I want like big cumulonimbus clouds

up in the sky. I remember cumulonimbus, but what were the other two types of clouds? It like big cumulonimbus clouds up in the sky. I remember cumulonimbus, but what were the other two types of clouds? It's like cumulonimbus and something else. I don't know. Wait, there was like three big ones and we always would study clouds. Okay, thank you. Love clouds. I was so excited to get into this with you.

Just those ones. Just cumulonimbus. I know evaporation to condensation to precipitation to accumulation. What's accumulation? That's the water cycle or what? Yeah. So it evaporates, condensates. Condensation is like what's on the cup.

Precipitation. Wait, what? The condensation is on a Pepsi. Yes. So where does that come from? The clouds? I don't know. So it's two different things.

It was a special episode. Were you? Yeah. Really? You're smart, though. You ate the paint chips and all that. I ate paint chips, yeah. Delicious.

Did your mom, like, advise you to do this, or how did this happen? Yeah, it was her. No, I, like, we grew up very poor, so, like, my mom was a single mom, so we were just in, like, crappy apartments that just didn't have, like, lead, like, protocols or stuff, so it So I was like just gnawing on the windowsills. But didn't she be like, don't do that? I don't think she noticed. She was like working and I was just like – Did you like him?

I feel like I did. People did eat paint chips. Like I've heard that saying before. Like in Tommy Boy, he ate paint chips. Yeah. I guess don't do that. Definitely don't. I'm sure I still have a little lead inside me.

Oh, my gosh. Do you think you'll ever have kids? Do you think you want kids? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'd love to start with a girl and then do a boy. A child.

A girl child. Jonathan Bailey said he'd have kids with a girl. So I'm trying to think. I'm like, do you want to start with a girl? Oh, no. Like I want a girl. Yeah. Got it.

Got it. A girl. Yes. Daughter. Yeah. I love the way you're like, I'll start with a girl. Yes. The girls want a girl. Yeah. Got it. Got it. A girl. Yes. Daughter. Yeah. I love the way you're like, I'll start with a girl. Yes. The girls are the best. Yeah, for sure. And then she'd want one girl, one boy. What do you do with all your dogs? I guess they kind of take care of

the dogs with you. Oh. Just have a whole little family. That's so cute. Oh my gosh. Countryside. Would you ever do like a bachelor type show? Like where you're the bachelor. Oh my God. I had a show idea. It was called Love at First Sign and it would be me dating the zodiac signs I kind of did like a smaller version of this like on my channel but imagine like the bachelor but you don't know their zodiac signs

and there's like an astrologer who's basically like can tell you your compatibility but as you eliminate them they reveal like... Their sign. Yeah. Would you know?

Do you think you could tell when someone's like a Gemini? I think so. Who are you most compatible with? Pisces. Interesting. Also fellow Taurus, Virgos, Capricorns, Scorpios.

Oh, the whole Scorpio. Scorpio, right? He's a Scorpio. Taurus, Scorpio are opposite. Oh my God. So it's good, yeah. They're the best. I think theyio, right? He's a Scorpio. Taurus Scorpio are opposite, so it's good. Yeah. They're the best.

I think they're like sister signs or something with each other. Yeah. I do love a Scorpio. He's the only Scorpio I liked. Everyone else's Scorpios scare me a little. I love Scorpios. You do? Yes. That's wild.

I don't know if I like any other Scorpios. Really? There's different types of Scorpios. He's an October Scorpio and November Scorpio is, yeah, I think the more crazy ones. Taurus is wild. I've never met a Taurus that I like want to date. But I do love a Taurus. I love a fellow Taurus.

Yeah. I feel that too. Elvis was so close to being a Taurus. She was supposed to come I think on your birthday. Are you May 16th? 16th. Yeah. And she was just a little late.

Wow. But yeah, she ended up being a Gemini. I was like, oh, okay. But it's great. We love it. But I probably could have – I guess because I had a C-section, I probably could have had her come out a couple days early to be a Taurus. But I thought maybe that was messing with – maybe not. oh, okay. But it's great. We love it. But I probably could have – I guess because I had a C-section, I probably could have had to come out a couple days early to be a Taurus. But I thought maybe that was messing with – maybe not.

Oh, yes. Actually, I went in this. Wait. I know. That's so crazy. My nephew actually happened to be out of town from like the 20th through like the 24th. So like it was like way too early to do like the 18th. That's crazy that you could like essentially choose what your kid's sign is going to be.

Yeah. Do you believe in astrology? Like kind of. I don't know too much about it. Like I definitely know like I'm a Taurus. I'm like I love money and I love hustling and I love being like in my hard head and like all those things. Yes.

I don't know about too much about it. What are your other big three? Like what's your rising in your moon? Oh, I don't know that. You don't? My mom doesn't know what time I was born. So I like don't know. Do you have your birth certificate? It will say on there. Really? Yeah. I do have I was born. So I don't know. Do you have your birth certificate?

It will say on there. Really? Yeah. I do have a birth certificate. I'll look it up. Do you know your other ones? Yeah. I'm a Virgo rising and a Cancer moon.

Oh, interesting. Cancer. You're a Cancer. Yeah. Cancers are interesting. I know. We always said it was weird because you are a Taurus. Then I worked for you and you're a Taurus.

And Darian is a Taurus too. Wow. Yeah. So it's- No. Cancers and Taurus are very compatible all my friends were like Shane was a Cancer yeah

it's mostly compatible Cancers are kind of wild actually Tana's a Cancer there's a lot of Cancers I love it it's an awful sign to be called a Cancer though when I was watching your older Get Ready or routine videos, you bought something that had your Taurus on it.

You were like, I don't really believe in astrology, but... I don't buy it anyway. That's so good. Because I kind of don't, but I don't know. I believe, yeah, because I love the idea of it all, but I don't know exactly. Does it matter? I'm not sure about that. It says that your,

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I was born? I don't even know what time I was born. Like online, astrological. Oh, someone did it for me? How did they know? How did they know? Sunday, May 8, 1988. Oh, they probably just put a brand in time. Because I'm pretty sure I was born in the morning at church.

Like my mom was like, I was in labor during church. Like, well, not like your puppies, but like my mom was like, I was in labor at church. At church? Well, not like your puppies, but like my mom was going into labor during church. No, it's when you're like. Yeah. So I think she'd push for a few hours. So it probably was like noon or something. Oh, okay. But I think they just probably guessed a time.

Oh, she was at church and she went into labor. Yeah. She had like her water break and everything. She's like, it's time. Yeah. Oh my God. It is kind of crazy. I love you, Jesus.

Yeah. I love you, Jesus. I came out of church. It makes so much sense. On Sunday. Do you know what day you were born? Day? Yeah. You don't know the day you were born? Like a Monday or Tuesday? Oh.

No, I don't know. She never gave you a story like this is where I was when this was happening. Nope. Mine was just like in the morning. I just went to the bathroom and I was like a lot more water and I think, oh, I think I'm having contractions. Let's go to the hospital. Oh my God. But people always have like crazy stories like, oh, I like fell over or something like that. But

anyways. Well, we never finished. What's next for you? That's where I was going. Back to Joseph Michael. Back to Joseph Michael. Oh my God, we went on a tangent. I know. I did kind of go dark. Deep. I'm anyways. Okay. So what's next? What's next?

This year, 2025. Well, I'm writing another book. So that's in the process. How many books have you written? Because there's a lot. Four. So this will be my fifth. Is this memoir?

No. Oh, it's another fiction? That was my first one. So this one's another fiction. What was it called? In Real Life or something? Yeah. Chapter 8, I'm Gay.

Was it Chapter 8? Was it? I think it was like 14. How was I'm gay 14 that's crazy that should have been chapter 1 right it had to go chronological yeah but that's what people know you for

but this was before I launched this book with the music video this was history this was gay history but even more so that should have been the first chapter if that was your coming out you know like I thought about it it's so funny because been the first chapter if that was your coming out, you know? I thought about it. It's so funny because when I was telling people that it was coming out, Shane's like, you

should just do a video where you sit down in front of the camera and you just say, I'm gay. And then it's end of the video. Did you do it? You should have. Oh, you don't like it. I did the music video. You're like, let me just do a full music video instead.

The drama. Shane's ideas, not always the greatest. Sometimes I always think he would give me ideas and I didn't do half of them. I'm like, I think he's trying to sabotage me a little bit. There was some crazy ones that I'm like, absolutely not. Like a hundred layers of... Yes, probably that.

Probably that, to be honest. It was a lot of that. And it was a lot of weird trolling stuff he would digest. I feel like you wouldn't have thought of the hundred layers thing on your own. I don't think so. You were not watching Simply Nailog illogical yes probably was him because there was probably a lot of trolling videos that shame was like you should do this and i was like yeah god i wish i could think i actually disassociated a lot of that time in my life so i can't remember but i know it was always like never good and he's like but even like the one i did about tati the one where i was

so angry and i was like tati like he definitely told me like stuff about Tati because I couldn't care less. I didn't know who Tati Westbrook was. You know what I mean? And then here I am doing a video just like screaming at her. So I was like. I didn't know she was. Yeah, literally no idea.

And we watched it. You showed it to me and I was like, I don't remember making this video. Tati done myself is the title. Tati does Tati. I did not know Tati back then at all. I'm dead. So you're doing another book because you did that. And then you did like a futuristic book, the Eden. Yeah, Eden series.

Yeah. Which I remember you promoted, which I was like so grateful for. Yeah, I sent you a PR and you made like a whole video about you unboxing it. Oh, I was probably the only PR I got. I was so excited. It was. And I loved it. I was super – I think I was like jealous in like a good way.

I was always so jealous of everything you did, like getting book deals and stuff. That's like not easy. Thank you. So you're doing this one with a publisher too? Yes. A different publisher. This is with HarperCollins. Wow.

Okay. The biggest one out there. Is it? Yeah. That's the only one I heard of. Hey, wait, HarperCollins. And then Escape the Night will be coming out probably this spring or summer. And then I'm going to hopefully pitch it and get it made.

That's your goal this year to do? Yeah, I want to get a deal. And is the book fiction? It is, yeah. It's about witches, actually. Is Helvetica going to be in there? Say her name right. Hecate.

Hecate. What did I say? She's like Helvetica. That sounds like something from somewhere for sure. That's a font. That's a font. A font name, Helvetica. Helvetica New Age sounds like something from somewhere for sure. That's a font. A font name. Helvetica.

Helvetica New Wave. You are so smart. You act like you're not. Thank you. You're like so smart. Like how do you know the font of like name? That's crazy. Oh my god.

Thank you so much. Okay. So you're doing The Witch's Book. Oh my god. And that. And then where do you see yourself living? Because you're kind of like you're like I might leave. Yeah.

I think I'll still be in LA. But just focusing on pet content again. Launching my brand this year and just like really pushing that out. That's huge. Congrats on that. Thank you. That's actually so big.

You're very good at that. It's like starting brands are so hard. It is hard. Do you have like investors or are you just investing yourself? Investing myself, but I'm open to investors. That's hard to do. Mr. Beast, if you want to get into the pet world. Oh, I'm scared.

Do you like Mr. Beast? What want to get into the pet world. Oh, I'm scared. Do you like Mr. Beast? What's your thoughts on him? It's not really the content I enjoy watching. I think he's really good at what he does. But he seems like a very scary person based off what Rosanna has told me. I know. Rosanna was here when she broke the Mr. Beast news and I was scared for her. I was like, girl, this is a lot.

This is unleashing something. She's got like contact with the FBI now. Yeah. Hers is intense. It's crazy. I'm going to see her this Saturday actually. Oh, fun. So I'm sure I'll have updates.

Yeah. Her nephews are the same ages as my daughter. So we're always birthday swapping together. Yeah. It's pretty fun. Now we see her and that's when I catch up on stuff. But love Rosanna Queen. Yeah.

I love this new rebrand for her. She's like, I'm going to be. That's what you got to do. You got to start spilling tea. I don't have tea, but love Rosanna Queen. Yeah, she's, I love this new rebrand for her. She's like, I'm going to be, that's what you guys do. You guys start spilling tea. I don't have tea to spill though. You do. I feel like you do,

but you don't know because I think if we really ask because like I said in the beginning, you are, you are always like one degree of separation away from the main drama people. That's so crazy.

Yeah, because with Shame, you were with Trisha, like at James at one point. Yeah. Colleen. Yeah. Oh my God. You were with Nanny and Laura during at James at one point. Yeah. Colleen. Yeah. Oh, my God. You were with Nanny and Laura during that first drama getting. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Maybe I'm the problem. Who's the one connecting it all? You are in all the groups. You are. Miss Glamorazzi. Yes. Love. Where is she? I love her. She's making candles. Love. Yeah. Living a lesbian life. I like

responded to one of her TikToks like just being like so supportive and like being like oh my god like you were like everything like and like she didn't even respond but her wife did. Oh. Oh. Maybe she's not online like that anymore. Yeah no that's true. At least she didn't block you

that you're gonna say she blocked you or something like that. I think she unfollowed me but whatever. Damn she's like I don't want to see this content. I like that anymore. Yeah, no, that's true. At least she didn't block you if you were going to say she blocked you or something like that. I think she unfollowed me, but whatever. Damn, Shay, I don't want to see this content. I like your content. I like the, what's the one you're doing

in like the night, it looks like the, it looks like AI, but it's not. What is that? Like, no, Dark Fantasy. And the armor? I love that.

Oh, yes. But it's not Dark Fantasy, it's actually you? Yeah. What were you doing it for? Just for fun? Just for fun. I love.

Yeah, I found this photographer. She's amazing. And we rented an armor set and we just shot in her fun? Just for fun. I love. Yeah, I found this photographer. She's amazing. And we rented an armor set and we just shot in her backyard. Just for fun. I love doing those kind of things. It's like so fun. Yeah. Just dress up.

We both love that stuff. I didn't know that about you so much back in the day. Really? I didn't know you like love to cosplay. Yes. I want to get more into it. It's so fun. I want to do some of the Marvel Rivals characters.

Yeah. You used to like make your own all the time though. I used to, yeah. Yeah. Well, to like make your own all the time though. I used to, yeah. And yet, well, to source them are so expensive. Yeah. Like the queens from RuPaul, they're always like, we spent $30,000 on runway looks and it's like minimum because it's so expensive. You need to be a guest judge on that.

I would love to. I don't know if they're going to let me on, but I love them. Why? I don't know. Have we ever talked about? You were on SNL. By the way, congratulations. Thank you.

If you're on SNL, you can do anything. I love that confidence that's how I'm feeling this year yeah I have um big dreams yeah

but we'll see I think you should because they all come true so thank you keep doing whatever you're doing because it's working

I mean you saying you'd have me on Escape the Night Movie really just makes my whole life and I hope it happens so we're manifesting that I will yes

be on it okay what if I become like the Gabby though where I'm just like so problematic on set? You know what? I feel like that could be me sometimes. You know what I mean? I feel like I'm pretty professional.

No, I think you are very professional. I mean, you've done several sets. You know how it goes. But food, if I do not get food, I do get a little hangry. Oh, no, definitely. It's definitely your type of food. Oh, sure. The food's not a great.

I was like, I'll take those peanut butter pretzels all day long. That'll be it. I'm so happy we're all here. It's all good now. That makes me feel so much better. We can never be shady anymore to Joey. No, you can. No, we're not.

He loves it. Yeah, we're never shady. It's just more like, oh, Joey. Don't have to escape the night. When Tana brought it up on her podcast, I was like, honestly, whatever. Like, she can complain. Like, it's just bringing attention to the project. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Can I ask her about it then here? Sure. Okay. You brought me up or something? What did you do? Yeah, she broke her finger. Oh, really? No.

I can't wait to hear all this. She did not. She was at an event later that night. So she was clearly fine. Well, she probably could have gone with a broken finger. No, it was like a – I don't deny that, like, her fingernail did get, like, bent or whatever, but, like – Drama has already started.

Yeah. Can you tell JoJo I'm nice? I feel like she thinks I don't like her. We like her. I always am. Like, I actually like JoJo. I try to give her constructive criticism. She did get banned from doing JoJo's podcast, JoJo Siwa Now.

Yeah. That's the one. Who was I up there with? Candace Owens. And Candace Cameron. Candace Cameron and Trisha Paytas cannot be on my podcast. I was like, damn. I'm nice to her.

I'm literally just like, girl, let's think about what we're saying sometimes. But I like her music. I like her. So next time you see her. If we could put the good word in. I feel for her. I like her. So next time you see her. If we could put the good word in. I feel for her. I like her. I think she's camp.

Yeah. She's so smart. She knows exactly what she's doing. Take eyes on her. I mean, since she was a kid, she's been a businesswoman. She knows how to work and do what she's doing. JoJo, we love you. Please come on the podcast.

That would be everything. I want to see that. Are you doing anything for Pride this year? I saw the rainbow Birkin. It's the 10-year reunion or anniversary of Don't Wait. Oh, you're coming out? Yeah. You should perform.

I'm going to perform at one of the Prides this year. I'm performing at World Pride. So you should come perform the song. Oh, my God. Don't wait. I'll lip sync. Oh, my God. You can sing live I'll lip sync. Oh, my God. You can sing live.

You're still the singer. I have a crazy story. What? Do we still have time? Yeah, we have time. Yes, go. I want to hear it. So this was like 2014.

I was at VidCon and- Already a great start. And my manager at the time got approached by someone who was visiting VidCon. It was like this family. This rich family who had a club in Beverly Hills. And they had like these young daughters who were huge fans of mine. And they're like, they want you to come to this birthday party and just attend and hang out with the kids. And I was like, okay, how much are we talking? Just like $10,000 for just being there for an hour. I was like, yes I will be there I'll say happy birthday so we go there it's like this basement club space

it's very strange to have like these eight to twelve year old daughters there at this club and it's just like this family's like friends so it's like all these adults. And we're at the bottom of this basement club. And I just start playing like games with the girls. We're playing like what's the Bean Boozled Challenge? And my manager comes up to me and she's like, they want you to sing for the girls. Love. I do not sing live. What do you mean you don't sing live?

I have to be produced. Like it has to be like go through like the auto-tune melody. You can sing. No. So what do you mean you don't sing live? I have to be produced. Like, it has to be, like, go through, like, the auto-tune melody. You can sing. No. So what did you sing? Don't Wait? No, this was before Don't Wait. Oh, you're straight.

This is when I had Anna Sun and, like, some other songs. Okay. Like, Colorful, whatnot. And so I was like, all right, I'm going to lip sync. And so I'm, like, I'm this far away from the girls. They play the music and the girls are just looking up at me and I hear one of them lip syncing. And she's like, he sounds so good to each other. And I was like, period.

Lip sync for my life. Who was playing it? It was on the speakers of the club. Oh, that's pretty dope actually then. Because you could have sang with it. I did not. Why didn't you sing with the track? Who knows that they were recording?

Couldn't have that. But there was no TikTok back then. It probably would have gone too viral. Can you not sing? I am so self-conscious. I will not sing in front of anyone in the car or anything. That's the craziest thing to have music videos and not sing. Well, because it's so produced. Well, not so

produced, but it's like... Yeah, but even so, everyone kind of knows that. Even like JoJo sings so differently live, you know what I mean? I feel like everyone does. Yeah. I definitely do. I definitely am just like screeching so loud, but... I guess that's true. I never have heard you sing, I guess. Wow. Can you sing a little... Now that I think about it. In our outro, can you sing a little

out for us? No. You can't. You won't sing anything never what's a Joey song we love we love Don't Wait Don't Wait it's gonna destroy my life yeah oh yeah

okay Don't Wait do you know the words ready go which part don't wait for the world to be ready lip sync who says you can't explore

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oh oh This podcast is mine. Thank you. That song eats. It's so good. Check out Joey Graceffa's music video, Don't Wait. It's one of our favorite 10 years. 10 years old. 10 year anniversary. 10 year anniversary.

And that's been the message to all our viewers. Don't wait to come out. Do wait. Oh, do wait. That's the sequel. Coming out this year. Do you remember when Shane had a book called It Gets Worse? And I was like, that's so crazy.

Yeah. Don't wait. But yeah, I guess wait, I guess, for a safe space to come out. I guess if you're when Shane had a book called It Gets Worse? And I was like, that's so crazy. Yeah. Don't wait. But yeah, I guess wait, I guess, for a safe space to come out. I guess if you're not in a safe space, you know. Yeah. But we love a coming out. That's right. I wonder if they'll still do well on YouTube if someone did coming out anymore.

No. People don't care anymore. People don't care. They're like, we know. If everyone's a little queer these days. That is so true. Crazy. People should come out as straight.

I think that's more shocking. Someone told me recently they were straight and I was like, what? Yeah. There's craziness. When people tell you they're like, a girlfriend or something you're like sis what like that's crazy but anyways all right any final words for our oh my gosh viewers words thank you so much for having me i truly think you're like one of the most special humans that you're doing that for your dogs like that's actually that's great no seriously like who does that it's like so crazy when you're telling those stories that's actually kind of like that's wild and i think you're doing like a really good thing and you're doing that for your dogs like that's actually that's great no seriously like who does that it's like so crazy when you're telling those stories that's actually kind of like that's wild and i think you're doing like a really good thing and you're thinking really good

karma points for that oh and your spirit guy what's her name again hecate hecate i'm sure she's very proud of you oh thanks and yeah and i feel like she's here with us you know i love you oh my god thank you for my cat and my dog because i also got a cat from Joey. Wow. What was her name again? Beth. Beth. Do you still have Beth? The craziest names that he comes up with. Beth and what was the other one?

Winnie is my dog. That's a cute name. They sound like children, Beth and Winnie, but I love it. Joey's just providing so much for all of us and we love that. Yes. And Joey, check out his breeding channel. Is it breeding? No.

I don't know. Is that a bad thing? I don't know. What is it? Rescue. Rescue. Okay. it breeding? No. I don't know. Is that a bad thing? I don't know. What is it? Rescue. Rescue. Okay, check out. Sorry.

I'll edit that. Keep it in, Jimmy. Keep it in. Check out Joey's rescue channel. Literally doing a video. Breeding is his channel. Yeah, his breeding channel. Maybe one day, but for right now.

Is breeding bad? It's illegal. It's illegal? No, it's not illegal. Oh, okay. All right. Well. The gays are talking about the gay breeding

Yeah, we're talking different breeding Oh, I don't even know that I feel like I'm pretty hip with gay lingo I've never heard of breeding before That's crazy Well, it's a different video Love it, okay Thank you, Joey and Chrisafa

For being here Yes And also giving me Oscar I guess you got the Cats and dogs I got Oscar Full circle moment Oh my god

And I can't wait for Escape the Night movie Starring me Yes Yay Coming soon Bye guys, see you soon Bye