Just Trish - Dec 09, 2025

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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We're all doomed. Okay, well, I don't know if you're gonna. Yeah, I think so. Fan fan went up to like the phase table and she's like, oh, here's the homophobic table. Or is it the misogynist table. I forget. Ooh, what is this one?

This is a red tagging. Is this a crocodile? No, this is a lizard species. Oh, we talked about this. What if it's a gay snake? You can't just have sex for fun? Uh, I don't know. her name is Trish

She's got the fish And all A got some filthy, rich Pretty and pink Hot topic queen And says what everybody Think she's just Trish Hello and welcome to the Just Trish

Today we have a very educational episode for you Very educational. You laugh But it's educational I've been educating myself over the weekend Like watch out I know why back in the day they wanted to keep women from reading books

because once we know things unstoppable, just wait till I dropped some knowledge on you today, Asker, which I'm sure you already know. But I felt so smart. I was like... What books were you reading? What was reading? Books? I was reading encyclopedias online.

An online encyclopedia, but an online encyclopedia. Wow. I don't trust Wikipedia. I think they get stuff wrong. Even mine, it's like, okay, I think anyways. I love encyclopedias. I've been reading up on those. because I'm like, okay, but why does it matter if our oceans get polluted?

Oh, I can tell you. Today's going to be educational for everybody. We're going to be talking about pollution, oceans, overconsumption, and rhino conservation. And I'm excited for all of it. And I have a surprise. It's not really a surprise. What kind of a surprise? But before we get into all that, and we have a really good sponsor to say, oh, my God, it's amazing.

Before we get into all that, Trishamist Live is going to the East Coast. We're going to be in Newark, New Jersey, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I'm very excited. We're actually adding a couple new songs into the show. You know, everyone's been loving Trishmas and, you know, whenever I hear some feedback, like I want more songs. More songs are coming for you guys. I'm very excited. I have something's very, very special plan for Vancouver, which is our last show, December 21st or 22nd. I don't know. It's somewhere there. It's something exciting is happening there. So come see us. Trishmas live. Get your tickets today. I still do headshots. Signed headshots every month on Patreon.com.

Just Trish, me and Oscar are up there, just doing extended podcasts with Moses, and I mean Oscar do bonus ones. They're so much fun. What did we do last week? We did some fun ways. We reacted to escape the night. Yep. That was good.

You don't want to miss that. No, that's, I mean, it's the culmination of a whole years with the drama. So, yeah, we really had a, you know, just tie a little ribbon around it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So we won't say anymore. Do we like it? Do we not?

Go say, go to Patreon and find out. And, you know, just. moving and shaken. Everybody did ask where they can get these, but it's limited merch at the show. Trishmas was lit. We had a good Trishmas Oscar made an appearance. Yes. How do you feel

about it? It was fun. It was crazy, but it was fun. It was crazy. Yeah. It was gnarly. It was gnarly. You were like the cats, I feel like you're being sponsored by Cats Eye. You did a whole not just one. You did a whole mentally. It's like, what songs she sang? You're like, let's do every Cat's Eye song ever. I loved it though

Cats eyes coming here to L.A. this weekend, right? Yep, yep, I'll be there. They looked good. They were up in San Francisco when we were in San Francisco and my makeup artist went with their daughter and it was so funny

because she's traveling this weekend she was oh my daughter loves Katzai and then they ended up going I was like, how long was that my makeup's on and just go during my show? And they did and they said it was so much fun I saw the I think it was someone's birthday someone had an 18th birthday.

Yencha, yeah, Yunsched turned 18. They're so young. I know. They're babies. They look so good. They were somebody to show me videos And I'm like, gosh, they just dance amazing. They sing.

Like, they like true pop stars. I know. I'm so excited for it. I'm so excited to see them. And I have my meet and greet. I have to figure out my outfit. What's my one? I have like 30 seconds with them.

Like, what do I say? Come on just Trish, bye. Like, I think that's, I think that's all I guess. What do you say it's over and over again for 30 seconds? Yeah. Can I tell I'm the worst at meet and greets? Because I'm literally just like, I just, I spew just so much. And you're a fast talker.

You got a lot in there. Dony asked him every time I see. I'm like, oh, you were like my dad growing up when I was six and I just like, tell him so much. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, what are you going to say? You haven't thought about it. I really got to, like, think it through. I need, like, my talking points.

Yeah, you're going to come up with those. Write your own notes. I could congratulate them for being a girl group of the year for Grindr. Oh, no. They got something, right? Yes, finally. They get all of them right. It's quite amazing.

Well, they didn't get the podcast, right? Yeah, what do you mean? We weren't even close. Well, there wasn't. I didn't say the podcast in here, but. Oh, there was no best podcast. There was. I saw, you know, like, Pedro Pascal is Daddy of the Year.

Okay, he always sweeps daddy. And then hardest man of the year, you have Jonathan Bailey. Wait, they just took people's nachos. They're like, we're just going to actually give the same person. I think they just stay, listen to us. And then the fashion trend is the little glasses, which again, Jay. Oh, such a lot of the glasses. That makes sense.

Of course, Mother of the Year, Lady Gaga. Everything music is Lady Gaga. Oh, well, yes. She has, like, ten of them. Now I understand Jimmy. It's Jimmy and Tony. And, like, everyone, like, literally I would say, eight out of the ten gays around me are just, like, obsessed.

And, like, they don't know each other. Like, Jimmy and Tony, but, like, Tony has giant Lady Gaga tattoos on his arms. Like, he's, like, and Jimmy, obviously, too, Jimmy doesn't mess around. Even whatever song he said, we did Shalb, he did another song. And I'm like, what is that song? Did you know it? The one he said? I think I didn't hear what he said, but I think it was something off of, because he was

talking about it later, and I think it was something off of mayhem. Oh, okay. I thought it was like an unreleased track or something. Anyways. No, but rightfully so, look, I'm not in my Gaga. is it yet, but I do know I'm going to, it's going to happen. It's too soon. It's way too soon for me to like her.

You're right. The Glee episode has gotten me into it a little bit, so I think it's getting there. That makes sense. And you have mother-in-training Sabrina Carpenter. Wow. That's a big title. Doll of the year, Jinks won soon. Oh, yes.

Well, Jinks wins everything in my heart. Half-Speth of the Year, Angie, I don't know. Okay. Skip that. Shut out, Angie. Girl, Girl, Girl, of the Year. gay gasp Beyonce winning album of the year

Did she win album of the year this year? Yeah, the country one. Yeah. That was just this year. Cowboy Carter, yeah. Well, came out last year, but the Grammys were in February. Yeah.

I don't even know. Okay, I love that. Best beef, Cardi B and Nicky Minage. Okay. Oh. Comedian of the year, Caleb Heron. I mean, they got part of things very good.

Yeah. I watched a special on the plane. He's very funny. And the best wig, Cardi B in the court. Yeah, that was good. I can agree with that. They didn't have their podcast. Maybe they canceled it when they kind of hop.

Yes, yes, this is my tweet. Show of the year overcompensating. Okay. That's kind of wild. So many things. An album is mayhem. Song is abracadabra. Lady Gaga's slap the grinder works.

Music video of a catabra. Wow. Wow. Comeback queen, Kasha. Work. Okay. Okay. That's Kasha.

We'll take it. And the last one, of course, tour of the year. Lady Gaga. Wow. I thought you were literally going to say me. Because the way you said, that was like, a porous. Yeah. The last one is gamer of the year, Danenfield.

What? Okay, yeah, Danandfell. How do you feel about that as a fan of gamers? As a gamer. I think Danneville had a big year, no? I mean, like every year from this kind of a big year. Oh, I guess as far as gay gamers. Yeah.

Is there any other ones? There's tons of gay gamers for sure. Oh, Jimmy. Yeah. My favorite one, honestly. The winner in my heart. Okay. I don't know.

Wow. Well, congrats to all the. Graeme did respond to me. They get it's right. It's pretty good. Yeah, they did respond and they said, we're sorry. They apologized. It took accountability of the legs.

Yeah, like, we're sorry. We love you. I was like, all right, well, that doesn't. We'll be campaigning. Next year. Yeah, 20206 is our year. It's a, 20206 is a Trisha sweep because you'll have euphoria under your belt as well so you can sneak into the acting categories.

Oh, I'm going to sneak in there in so many categories. You're right. I have, there's a lot. There's a lot coming up. Maybe. Euphoria ever won Emmys? Yeah, Zendio. made history because she won Best Actress twice for Euphoria.

And she made history as for, like, what was the history? How do you win twice for the same show? Two different seasons, same show. In the same year? No, it was back to back. But she was like the youngest black actress to, yeah, to win Best Actress twice. That's everything. She should probably win again.

Right? For season three, yeah. She probably could win, like, at the Golden Globes where they have, like, movies, too. She probably could win for, like, movie and TV. Yeah, because 2026 is huge. huge for, I think she has like three films coming out. So she definitely has a shot. Crazy.

Yeah. Release the song while you're out of girl. Oh my God. We'll love a Zandaya. Yeah. I love that. Me too. Zendaya, if you're listening.

John the Bailey and your man. David Corn Sweat. Oof. Actors on actors. Did you have it as your hot topic or no? I did. I just saw it now and I was like, oh no. I saw a tweet.

We love, the only reason I love Twitter is gay Twitter. Like honestly, like they know it. But they're like not like, someone just going from like so well-loved to like fall from grace and like um rough yes it was rough that's your that's your man that is my man i was really part of the that superman campaign um i wanted to pick apples with them and papa's orchard papa's orchard what is that oh my gosh that sounds crazy yeah papa's orchard um well jimmy just played a clip for context instead of me summarizing it you put it here jimmy do you see it moses no

You fly in this movie. We both kiss, nevitating. You somehow, in that moment when she's lifting you by your arms, I think, or like your massive arms, you somehow maintained your masculinity and you're, I don't know, it was just, it was amazing. That moment when she flies you in that song. Oh my gosh. I was so excited.

I was so excited for this one because it's like, our face. It was a gay fantasy, David Corden Sweat and Jonathan Bailey. Like, could it get any better? I thought no. Wow. But David had to go and then make a odd – he asked the odd question about, like, the way that Jonathan Bailey was able to still look masculine while kissing Cynthia Arrivo, even though she was the one that was, like, carrying them in the air versus Superman's kiss. Clark Kent is the one that's holding Lois Lane. Oh, okay.

So that was like the juxtaposition. And Jonathan Bailey's face kind of said it all. I made the same face. He was gagged. He didn't really know how to pivot from there. He pivots, though. He does. Jonathan Bailey is the best person at interview, like giving an interview because he is very smooth.

He very made it like not awkward. Don't they pre-approved these questions? I thought like someone gave them questions. No, they can just ask whatever they want. I think some, as far as I know from like past of the past shoots, they come up, some of them come up, some of the actors come up with their own questions and they're also given some as well. So it's a little bit of like freestyle and loose, uh, loosely produced. To me, it's kind of like almost someone to like produce this, but like missed it.

Because I kind of like understood what he was saying, like, not the masculine part. Like the, because Jonathan got excited when he's like, yes, people who levitated and kissed. You know what I mean? Yes. Like love that angle because like, oh my God, so great. But then like the way. I kind of feel like David freestyled a little bit with the masculine part. That's, that's my own takeaway.

Yeah. And I don't even think I, because David is also like a theater kid. like he's been around like girls and gays like he's done musical theater for so long i think it was just worded so clumsily and so awkward and i think he could have like asked it a lot better because i think it is true right like i think societally the concept of like the man being the one that's like you know carried off like people would think of that as like less masculine but he really i think David emphasized it way too much. He's like, yeah, like, you really pulled it off, but like, if anyone else was doing

that, like they would look like a little sissy boy, but yeah, you looked really masculine when you were 40, yeah, yeah, it was just like, that's my dramatic interpretation. Yeah, that was the same, dramatic station. But, yeah, that was, it was just a little, little arc. But I still, I still have space in my heart for David Forrens, but I do, I do. I do. I, this isn't ready for me to fully, like, kick him off my roster, because he is sweet and everything else I've seen, and...

But what about the other than, should we kiss? Was that not a lot of ick? I thought that was... He gives me... I just, I know straight guys like David Kornis, so I'm a little biased. Like, I feel like he thinks that he's being, like, a really good, like, friend and like a good, like, I'm down with the gays. Like, I feel like he's giving that energy, and I know straight guys like that.

Like, it's different if he, like, knew or thought Jonathan Bailey had, like, a crush on him or something. You know what I mean? Like, you would Ted Nifiscence and sometimes, like, should we kiss? You might be like, okay. Okay, but, like, there's no prior connection and correlation to that, Jonathan Bailey, wanting that from him. No, T, you're clocking. No, you're clocking.

I wouldn't go, you know, to the stand for David Kornswett. Like, if someone wanted to make that argument, I would have to, like, step aside and let it happen. Like, I wouldn't put my life in the line. That's, I personally, and I'm also very biased, because also, in my head, David Kornswet and Ted Nivisand are very similar. I don't know why. I think that's something I'm going to talk about.

Just because you like them both. I think they're both cute and big. You would levitate. Who would you rather levitate with? Would you rather be holding Jonathan Bailey's strong arms or would you rather be held in David Cornsweds? Well, I think we know to answer. Ted.

Yeah, sure. I thought you were going to ask him. Who were Ted? That's a Superman. Oh, well, definitely. I know Ted is his number one. Like, I know there's not anything above Ted. head, but of the two actors on actors, I was just thinking.

Hmm. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. That is really hard. That is kind of like a Sophie's choice. Really? Okay, because I didn't know you stand John and Bailey like that. No, I love Jonathan Bailey. To have Superman do it.

You know what I mean? Just the actual. Oh, I disagree. I'd much rather be the witch that's just like lifting us up. You know what I mean? It's so powerful. I don't want. See, that's what I'm thinking, too.

Like, I feel like. I feel like I would rather be with John, like be the one, like the alphabet, like being the one to levitate Jonathan Bailey. I feel like I like that power dynamic more. And I have to correct him when I say, because like Jonathan Bailey,

like holding, like, okay, like a female holding like a male, I think it is, it's like wearing pink. I think there's something even more masculine about it because that means they're like safe and like they're who they are, their masculinity and all stuff like that.

When in British and season two, Kate holds Anthony a lot. Actually, I think it's season three. He's, like, laying on her, and she's, like, holding him like this. And I thought there was, like, nothing more masculine than that. You know what I mean? Because he's kind of just, like, also, like, letting her, you know, it's not like, oh, you're mine, you're my possession.

You know what I mean? It's like, guys do that. I feel like a little bit, okay, I'm not your property. Get off me. But when a girl does it and a guy lets it, I think that's very masculine. I think it's very hot. And I think that, with that, too, as it should be. I don't know.

I don't know. It run me the wrong way. It run me the wrong way in a really bad way, too. I was like, oh, I don't like this guy. I know you, like, love him, so I feel like you make a little giddy. But I was like, I don't think, I think you're the opposite of masculine per se. I think you're, even watching Superman, I'm not going to lie, I did watch it. Not my cup of tea.

I know, I know we're on the D.C. You're on the D.C. We're on the D.C., but I think no to Superman. You know what I mean? I don't know. Maybe that's just me. How about you? Who would you rather be held for that whole Jonathan Bailey or be held by Superman?

Or Villarro, I should say. I would want to be Superman. I would want to be Superman. Oh, you want to hold? So I guess that would be Alphabet, in that sense. What? He wants to be the power. Because in this option, it's either Superman is holding you or you half about holding somebody else.

I'll be Alfa about holding somebody else. Oh, I thought you wanted to be Superman. But that's not in the option, really, because then I'm taking his place. I see. So you want to. In this scenario, it's like either he's holding you or you holding somebody. He likes the holding. I like the holding, too, so we're going to have.

And the flying. I want to be the one flying. Yeah, I guess you don't really let me hold you that much. I really want to. What has been to hold you? How would you hold me? Like how he is. Like on Bridgeton where you like lay on me.

Sometimes. No. Usually you lay on me. No. Because usually you're the one that will fall asleep on me. Well, that's different. I'm falling asleep. All right.

I'm holding you tonight. I like it. This is the problem. This is the problem right here with men. They just like, no, I need to be the one holding. I'm going to hold you tonight. See how it feels. I should.

be i feel like the one who has the more more width more girth should be the one doing the whole thing you know my boobs might get in the way but whatever that was weird Ariana Grande and Adam Sandler actors on accident you watch that I did yeah did you watch do I watch but there are more I think there's releasing him one at a time um but I did see yeah that I mean the two I was most excited about were John's Gunn and David and Adam Sandler and Ari yeah like I didn't is there anybody else doing him There's a lot of other people doing it, yeah. I've heard about anyone else.

Sidney Sweeney is doing one with... I'm going to see free... No. Ethan Hawk. And Alexander Scarsgarde is doing one with Stellen Scarsguard as dad. So there's a few. There's a few that are still coming out. Stellan.

What's he on? Okay. Because isn't there like a Bill Scarsguard for Mamma Mia? Bill Scarsguard is Alex Scarsgarde's brother. and Bill Scarsguard is That last name is Yeah Everywhere

No it's just the actual When he says it I hate it Is there's their actual name Well yes Aren't they Swedish or something Is it one word Yes

Scarsgard But yeah his dad is in Mamma Mia So that's probably what you're thinking Yeah Stellan is the dad in Mamma Mia Yes Oh And because he did a

Alex Scarsgard did The Graham Norton Show in the UK And I forget what diva was with them, but you know, it's like the, everyone sits on the couch. And this British diva, she was like, I saw your dad and mama Mia. I didn't like it. And he was like, well, you're just having fun.

She's like, well, I'm glad he had fun, but it wasn't for me. She was reading him down. Chee, because honestly, he's great, but can't sing. I mean, Pierce Brousen's worse. Thank you so much to Babel for sponsoring today's episode of Just Trish. I have been loving the Babel app. Learning new languages has been my new favorite thing. Not only does it stimulate my brain, help with my memory postpartum.

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Thank you so much to Babel for sponsoring today's episode. But it gives me hope. Honestly, those kind of, those musicals gave me hope so much. I could be Christine and Phantom the Opera or something, you know what I mean? I was like, I love that they can't sing and they gave them huge singing roles. It was awful. He had one song and he was like, I can still

recall our last summer you know the song no you know it mm-hmm it's all it did it gave me hope that i can sing you did we did it remember so it was so when you're near me darling can't you hear me well you can sing you were saying at trishmas sorry i made everyone sing with me at trishmas and i didn't give them any warning i was like you know what you guys all ate though i was like um Cat's eye. Anyways, it was great. Yeah, it was good. Adam Taylor was a great interviewer.

I liked his interviewer questions. He was getting the tea on Bach. Yeah, and then Ariana had to clarify, I think she accidentally said 6-7, right? And then she had to clarify that she doesn't, oh, no, Adam said it. And then she made a face, and she had to clarify that she didn't know

the 6-7 meme, and she doesn't want to know. She has to be excluded from the narrative. Oh, I love her. Me too. What an icon? She's like, what is 6-7? Tell me what is. And then she replied her own comment.

She said, actually, I don't want to know. Don't tell me. Did he do another joke, or did he just say six, seven? I think he just said it. As a meme. Yeah. And then her, she, like, people thought she was made a face reacting to that, but she wasn't. She didn't know what it was.

I'm over the six, seven jokes. I hate them. We should do actors on actors, huh? Oh. Oh, nothing. You said keep going, so I did. We should do it. How did we do that?

Is it black and white? We should just sit. No? Wait, really? Why do I have, like... Their pictures aren't black and white. Yeah, something is. Something maybe.

No? But the video itself is not black. They're just like sitting in the white room. Yes. It is like one of those white wall things within like a little, a chair. Do you ever think like what's the point of it? I think it's just a part of the

award season campaign. Like these are all award season competitors, I suppose. What is he in? He was just in... Happy Youngmore, too. Maybe it's being nominated He was promoting something like a couple weeks ago

God, what am I What am I thinking of? And George Clooney was there too The Making of Jay Kelly Oh Or no, Jay Kelly, sorry It's like a Famous movie actor Jay Kelly

Embarks on a Journey of Self-Discovery And who's Adam Taylor? George Clooney is Jay Kelly and Adam Sandler is wrong. So he might be getting a nomination if he's doing this. Or at least campaigning. Even if it's not him, something like Jay Kelly.

Like Superman, obviously David Cornsweb isn't going to get an actor nomination, but Superman could get like a best editing or best... Not even director. But it would get like best special effects or something like that, you know? James Gunn could win. He's good. Why was he not good? Why did you think David Quinsworth?

It's my favorite movie of the year. But I'm just being realistic here. You don't think David Cornstone can get a nomination? No. Because of this interview? Yeah, this torpedoed his chance. And Jonathan Bailey thinks campaigning for Fierro? I think for Wicked in general, yeah.

Because, I mean, realistically, again, he wouldn't get an actor nominee. Like, he's not on the short list. That's just how. I'm just being real. Oh, my gosh. The real miss. I don't know. But obviously, like, Ariana probably has the best chance to win.

And then Cynthia also needs to get on that list. We have a celebration, a birthday today. Happy birthday to Domino's for turning 65. Yes, it's their birthday. Hey, are you sponsored? We, let's hear right now. Oh, yeah, yeah, well, that's true. Clarification.

Well, they got leaked it. They leaked it, so I'm just, Moses said we should wait until after, but it's already been leaked, baby. I'm thinking somehow you were pregnant. That's literally where my mind went. I was like, wait. That's crazy. Did you adopt? Oh, my gosh.

Oh, well, maybe. Okay, we don't have to make it a whole thing, but we can't. All right. Domino's from 65 today. Happy birthday dominoes. Happy birthday dominoes. 65 has never looked better. Oh my God, that's what I said in my mapping that comes out.

Already filmed on Friday. That's crazy. I did. Because I said that. That's funny you said that. because I said that because they do a whole rebrand of the boxes. They have new boxes now. Wow, this is Maid. Yes, this is

Mage. And got these cool boxes now that they have. Oh, wow. That's cool, right? Yeah, it's like very chic. It's very chic. It's very just dominoes. Well, anyways, it's their birthday. So I got I got pizza because I was a little hungry to eat at a list now. And then you get free lava cakes for their birthday. Wow.

The Code Happy Beatty. This does sound like the podcast is sponsored, but it's not. I just got Yeah, I'm just, I'm just in a Domino's commercial. Wait, a whole commercial? Yeah. What? I think it doesn't come out to Wednesday, but they already peeped it. Try to say it?

I don't know. Most like you should wait, but I was so excited. Oh, my God, that's huge. The Instagram, yeah, they showed it here in the pod room. And should we, oh, my God, that actually looks so good. Wow, that is, how did I miss that? It just happened this morning. Well, I don't, the birthday is today, December, Tuesday is, what, December 9th?

Yes Tuesday, December 9th And yeah I shot a Domino's campaign last week That is crazy I know I was so excited I was like thing I don't know if it's out yet

But anyways they teased it They said who was ordering Dominoes I have a whole it's a whole rollout So this week watch it Watch the Dominoes everything I have to share this to my story This is big This is big right

Dominoes Oh my God Ted Nivison is going to be shook like he's really coming at a good time he loves dominoes yes wait what i didn't know that lore about him how do you know that i just know okay well i'm lying but i also just know oh oh is he's not today no he's coming the not tomorrow the second date yeah got it got it okay okay that's so funny well domino's lava cakes are here i had a lot of lava cakes that day actually i did a lot of lava cakes that day Actually, I didn't even eat any...

Oh, I did eat. I did eat it for the muckpang. Look at their, and their new logo, too, is dumb in the nose. Isn't that cool? Dumb nose. They're gonna enslave that graphic design. They really did. The rebrand is surreal.

There's thin crust in there for you. Did you like thin crust or regular? I like regular. Yeah, same, okay. Yum. I'll just take my little slice and... Do you want to pick yours, Oscar? No, whatever.

Are you sure? Yeah. Okay. All slices are created equal in my eyes. Oh, this gives me... Can I tell you? And I know, okay, again, this is not sponsored. obviously I've done Domino's muckbangs forever, but um, and Lava Cakes,

um, Domino's was like my meal for real. You know this, babe. Every day for lunch. I'm not kidding, every day for lunch in the summer of like 1997. My dad would order Domino's to his office building and we would just eat like a whole Domino's pizza, me and my brother and just like sit in the conference room and eat

dominoes. So this is giving me nostalgic, like, I'm at my dad's work. I feel very special. Domino's. Wow. Yeah. Finally, the son of the air of Domino's finally paid off, right? Yes.

I don't know how it all. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know how it all worked out, but we got it. I was kind of gagged. I was like Domino's. I think this is the best way to end 2025, even though we're not ending. We have more episodes coming.

But this was the highlight I think of my 2025. That is wild. I don't know if it can get any better than this. Let's celebrate you guys. That is funny enough. Well, they can talk about the oceans. I love it. What do you say?

When we have kids. When you have kids, you have all kind of... Fun napkins? I live. Wow. Okay, I really knew this day. Wow. Look at those lava cakes.

Free lava cakes. That's crazy. That's crazy. Free lava cakes when you order over $10? Absolutely. Sign me up. We haven't eaten lava cakes literally all weekend because we've got some lava cakes to, like, have,

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Yeah. But that looks crazy, right? You know, I would keep eating dominoes. We eat dominoes. Every chance I get, I could eat dominoes. And then the fact that they were like, hey, let's work on this together. I was like, oh. And you know what the best thing is is you get all the fresh pizzas because they want to have like nice pizzas for the take.

So I was just getting fresh pizzas, fresh lava cakes. And I was getting those first bites of all the fresh ones. And it was just. Wow. Heavenly. That's the realness. I wonder if other spokespeople are really like eating the food on set. That's a good question.

I know I was. And we kept all the pizzas. Okay, we kept every single pizza they let us have. We had boxes. We should take a picture of all the boxes. Gave some to my sister. We were eating it all weekend. That is fierce.

All the lava cakes. Not one thing went to waste. That was amazing. It was beautiful. I mean, love you dominoes. All right. Back to... Well, I don't know if this is a conflict of interest, but I have another pizzeria that I would

like to talk about. Oh, no. Maybe it is a conflict of interest. What is it? Freddie Fazbear's pizzeria. What is happening? happening over there. Is it out? Yes, it came out last week. You saw it? Yeah, I saw it last week. I don't know.

How come I ever know one talking about this? I mean, it's pretty big with the fans. It was. I saw it literally the day came out. I was very, very excited. Listen, is it a great movie? No. Is it a good movie?

No, but I had a fun time. It was fun. I enjoyed my time there. That was crazy. I enjoyed my time in the movie. Wait, why? What did you enjoy that if it was not a great film? Even though I don't know anything about the games at all.

We played it once. Yeah, we played them, but we didn't know what to do. Like, I don't think we did anything right. I didn't get out of the security room. Even when we played one, like, one of the other games that Callie told us to play, we didn't know, like, what to do in the room and this, like, little room that we were hiding in, remember? Yes, and then we were like...

But it wasn't that scary, so I was like, I don't know. So, I don't know. I try to watch Matt Pat's videos, but they're very long. How was Matt Pat in it? Oh, he only has, like, a spoiler alert. He only has a couple lines in it because he voices one of the animatronics. And he does a very interesting character toy. I don't know if they, like, altered his voice or anything, but it, like, it wasn't recognizable as him.

Oh, that's odd. You think they'd want to recognize it. Was he in it or he was just a voice? He was just a voice. I mean, that's dressed, by the way. That's very cool. But I didn't know. Okay.

Yeah, he was in the first one, a cameo. This one, he's just a voice of. Do they talk? In this one, yes, there's some animatronics that do. And then this is also in the games, I guess. I had to watch videos explaining this. But, I mean, the, I could tell when something was a reference to the games, though, because they, like, have a dramatic, like, pause like because they know the audience is going to be clapping so like Josh

Hutcherson will like make a reference or like hold up something and the camera will like slowly zoom in on it and I was like oh this isn't but you know what's happening no idea but I pretended to go along with that what did you enjoy more Superman or Five Nights of Freddy? Superman but I do still enjoy FNAF and I accidentally caused a debacle as well um where with five nights at Freddy's so I don't know you probably haven't seen this because I have not been online yeah exactly zero bit so my girl McKenna Grace. There was a big debacle with a E.T. Oh, no. What happened?

Okay, I'll play you the video just so you know what I'm talking about. By the way, we have a guest coming up Thursday who's like, wow, you guys really got me canceled. And I was like, what happened, Oscar? I was like, wait, what? Anyways. We addressed it. Unfortunately, you weren't here. He's like, where is he? Well, he works.

It is unfortunate. I also had questions for him because, again, related. To Josh Hutchison, he kisses Josh Hutchison a lot. And I want to know the T on that. You might have to get him to send in a statement. He was actually the best. He'll like come back. He actually was.

He's like, where is Oscar? I have so many questions. Okay. He'll come back for sure. He's the best. Okay, here. Play this one. Okay.

Ooh, okay. This is your edit? It's my, you'll see. I owe you an apology. I just blew up your spot. I told Josh that you were Team Pita back in the day and used to make those fan edits. You're a co-star McKenna Grace. Did she ever talk to you about the fact that she used to make fan edits of Pita?

On TikTok. I did not know that. You didn't know that? You're the one to break it to me. You didn't read it like the rest of us in Teen Vogue. I am a little behind on my Teen Vogue issues. I need to catch up. Well, why would you tell him?

Because it was in Teen Vogue, so I thought maybe he knows. I still can't believe. No, you're embarrassed by that. He was impressed. Diabolical. The thing is, I would have never said this, like, actively in the press if I would have known I was going to end up working with this. He doesn't care. I think he loves it.

Who isn't Team Pita? You know what I'm saying? Duh. Who isn't team team? So that became a whole... Wait, did she get... But 11 million views is great. And that's just...

Was that your question? Well, okay, so... You set them up. So... That's so funny. It became a whole thing. Like, it is now, you know, the website, know your meme where like it's the registry of all...

Okay, so the... Her McKenna's reaction has been registered on there. Wow. It's like an official viral, like, reaction gift. Wow. people started recreating it on TikTok and doing, like, reenacting it. Let me see yours.

Well, she goes, I love when she does like that. Or people really like when McKenna is smiling and then she like gets serious and then she looks directly into the camera. So people are really eating it up. Well, she seemed like a good sport. He seemed like a good sport.

Yeah, I love. They both were like, fine. Yes. Well, when at first went viral, this was like last, this, the premiere was last Tuesday. I saw that it was getting a lot of views like Wednesday morning.

And then, but I was just proud. I was like, I ate that up because I was asking. I didn't see FNAF in our, like, shoot calendar. And I was like, where are the FNAF interviews, you guys? Like, come on, we got to get on this. Yeah. And then they were like, well, we just got an email about the premiere. And I was like, well, girls, let's get on it.

Not like that, but in my. Is it. Please. Please. Why did you go? Like, for something like that where you're like a fan, why aren't you there to ask these questions? Because it's not my T.

Like, if it was, again, like someone I was die hard for, it would be another story. I think people would gag to see you ask that question. because you do love McKenna Grace and you love it. Like, you know what I mean? And people just like know and love you now. So I feel like you should be in the front lines. I saved me fighting for it. Well, now I'm glad I wasn't on the front lines because at first when I saw it, like,

at a lot of views, I sent it to everyone. I was like, mighty. Because I was the one that was pushing to cover it. Yeah. I sent that question. I was like, listen, because I saw it somewhere that she had made these fan edits and I had to go find the interview and I was like, voila. I was like, you have to ask McKenna of this.

And then you also have to get Josh's reaction. I was very specific. That was crazy. He got that. There you might have lost me He doesn't care about this And they went and they got it And I was so proud

I sent that to everyone No one really care Even though it was getting like millions of views I was like I kind of hate that I felt proud I felt proud 11 million's crazy But then I saw it flip Where people were like Wow what an unprofessional question

And then people were like This is why you don't let influencers on the carpet And I was like he's been getting like Who's the influencer day? They think Denny's the influencer that just like He's been doing it for like 20 years People love to get mad at questions Yes they love

Yeah. And then Denny texted me. Someone just commented on my Instagram that you should have done FNAF interviews because you would have never asked a question like that. And I was like... You would have asked more shady questions. You would have asked all the questions. I was like, oh.

You should do with them. We should do battle of the carpets one day. You go with your outlet. I'll go with mine. And we're right next to each other. Honestly, you would eat. Oscar does do the best questions. You do the most salacious questions.

Salacious and crazy Tell me about your fan edits As if I hacked the girl's eye cloud To figure out she was making these edits She's edit in Teen Vogue And she's lucky I found out that her Fortnite username is Josh Hutcherson O'1

And she's lucky I didn't know that Because I would have brought that up On the carpet as well I would have said McKenna Why is her Fortnite username Josh Hutcherson O'1 Then I would have walked over to Josh Hutcherson Hey did you know this girl's username

on Fortnite was Josh Hutchison Oh one? You would have called them all out like that? She's like I'm trying to work Who is she in the movie? she is a ghost hunter girlfriend are they dating no romantic interest no romantic interest no she's only 18 so yeah yeah oh my age he's my age so he's 33 yeah okay appropriate yeah crazy that's crazy that's a good one though they were they stoked that they got 11 million views they should be

well it was they were really nervous like Denny was like very anxious he had he was issuing a statement like he posted on the instagram story like I have an interviewing McKenna since she was the wee baby girl which she's been interviewing her forever and they do have a good rapport because he's listening her so much. I think he's seen her like five times this year and luckily McKinna's fans

were like no, like she's been talking about this like it's a key, but it's just the people who aren't like tuned in. I think it's funny. And then McKenna commented on our TikTok and then that appeased everybody I think. But Denny was having a rough 24 hours. I'm like, girl, just turn your phone off.

Like it's okay. That is so funny. The girls don't know how to deal with a little backlash these days. His livelihood is not being an influencer, so I'm like, why do you, why do you care? Just ask that question. Yeah, he does ask your questions, which is great. No, I love it. I love him.

He's a real one. He's a real, really put himself out there. But that's what I'm asking, like, why they cut him off too? Like, why don't they show the person? Because, like, he is the face. Like, why don't people want to see the people interviewing? Like, I love seeing people interview. Like, that's why we watch Jimmy Fallon.

We want to see the face with the interview. I do it when it, like, makes sense. But I think of their editing, like, it's like, they know him, they know he's, like, It's like a co-worker. He's there every day all the time. But they're all dressed up so nice. Trust me. I've been at a red carpet and they are all dressed beautifully.

They all have gowns. They all have makeup. Sometimes even like even getting at a thumbnail or something, it might pick up his image instead of the person. Yeah. If somebody else takes the clip. And people really like to see the like. The person. If I didn't have, if we cut to Denny instead of McKenna, you wouldn't miss like McKenna's like the journey of her face clocking what's being said to her.

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That was so cool. Like they were looking at it as if it was a TikTok like format, but it was a big camera. Oh, cool. Yeah. They should do that. I'll talk that along. I don't know. I was out. We need to go see that one too.

We need to put that on our list. Oh, but you hate movies, you said. When? Did I say that? Probably, I do. Just last week. Did I? What is like a favorite movie?

I don't know. I honestly have no idea. You got to come up with your- top four before whenever Euphoria comes out. London, like, Home Alone, Team Ellen, Christmas movies. First of all, no. I honestly have to think about it, actually, because I don't know it has changed so much

I don't have a favorite movie I don't like movies I don't think what do you mean I don't think I like movies like I only like wicked was it in reference to I probably did we were talking about movies and you said I just don't like movies and in the moment I was so dumbfounded

and everyone commented like but you named your children after movies oh right only those movies only those three movies someone just bought all those Netflix to pay them royalties is that controversial because Jordan was the same way He's like, well, I was like, wait, why is this controversial? It's a mess, yeah.

Okay, not good. Well, for the industry, no. And it's still, like, influx because now Netflix won the bid for Warner Bros. But Paramount is also fighting to take it to, uh, they're, they're calling it a hostile takeover, which I don't, yeah, it's pretty not. Yeah. But, I mean, business-wise, with Netflix, it means, like, less movies and movie theaters. So that's a whole, like, negative aspect of it. but then there's also the whole thing about like royalties or like, you know,

when you get the, when you are in Modern Family for one episode, you still, you know, you get the checks every moment. Right, right, right. Oh, it wouldn't be like that for streaming. Yeah, so for streaming, that kind of goes away. Yeah, he's that. So it takes away a whole chunk of people's livelihood. And then you also have the physical media.

Like people make a lot of money, like the actors and stuff will still make money from like Blu-ray sales or whatever. So then there's that element as well. You saw what Netflix is done for like Blockbuster and physical media in general. So there's that whole argument as well. Oh, so we're not for it. It's just like, there's no like real good way for it to be, for one of brothers to be bought. That's good for the industry because even if Paramount was the one to win.

How much are we talking? Billion. I mean, they're doing, it's a lot of like stocks. Like a lot of it's in stocks. So no one's giving a billion dollars cash for it. No, it's like not even just one billion. It's like billions, but it's also, yeah, like in stocks. because then a lot of them have to go out, like, work.

They have to get money from, like, Saudi Arabia to place the bid for it. Yeah, it's a whole fiasco. That sounds like a right way. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yikes. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So we'll see.

Why does Saudi Arabia have so much money? Oil. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Well, damn. Well, let's move it on. I love movies. I'm glad you are. I do love movies.

Yeah, that's what, yeah. I love movies. It really clocked to me because I watched it back and I was like I couldn't even I was so dumbfounded I couldn't even figure out I was like I know that's incorrect but the fact I like forgot that your kids are movies I do love those movies you know I like Superman too I'll take that back too I like Superman I like Superman Malibu loves Superman Spider-Man Spider-Man she always says she's a superwoman and oh she does love to say that on the airplane we watch Superman Oh, which one? You watch the new one? Mm-hmm. With her?

Mm-hmm. All right. Random. Okay, I love that. She does love superheroes. She is Spider-Man. I love movies. My, you see the Matthew Liller hate from Quentin Tarantino?

Okay, I was going to ask you about this. This was one of my hot topics. What the hell is going on with Quentin Tarantino? I know. He has been going on to things I hate, like, tirade. I didn't realize it was, like, one podcast he did where he just talked about everything he disliked. no reason.

Because every day is I see a new article, Quentin Tarantino hates this. He hates that. And I was like... Coming for Hungry Ames. Yes. Matthew Lillard, Catch and Strays. Yes. I know.

I know. What the hell is going on with him? Well, I know. This is why David Quarrens went too. I think I know why people don't like to do podcasts. Like as in writing. You know what I mean? It's like, we like them better when they just make their art sometimes, you know?

Like, an artist shouldn't have to talk, honestly, sometimes. Like, I'm not. I have to talk because I have nothing else. But Quentin Tarantino does... What the hell is going on? Well, the first one was crazy. The first one he was like, Hunger Games, stealing Battle Royale. Yes.

Which there was a very famous quote at the Virgin record store on Sunset and is it Lossianic? What's the one coming off of Laurel? Is it Lossianca? Sunset and Fairfax. What is that? I think it's Lusianna. Maybe Florel. Is Laurel Canyon?

I don't know. Maybe Lassian. Yeah. Okay. Anyways, there was a big one on sunset, like Boulevard. It was like sunset and like, it was like, it. It's not Fairfax. It's maybe, like, maybe it's Laurel.

Is there a Laurel Canyon Boulevard? Which store? Coming down, coming out of the canyon. When you come out of the Coral Canyon. Okay, so Laurel and Sunset, they used to have this huge, like, virgin megastorm. Right, yeah. Like Virgin Records. Yes, by the, what's it called?

Crunch used to be there. Yes. There's, like, a cinema that's up there. And Doobricks is there now, like, in the area. In the area, yeah. This one's, like, a little shopping plaza. Anyways, there was a big virgin, and that's where I first met quite in turn to. The picture where I'm, like, on, like, Quentin, it's, like,

he was doing, like, a CD signing from, like, the death-proof soundtrack in, like, 2007. And, um, there was a quote on there, like, printed. And it was there all the time. It was, like, in, like, bold writing at the Virgin Megastore. It was, like, printed and everything. And it said, I steal from every movie ever made, end quote, Quentin Tarantino. What? He said that?

Yes. Yes. And this was the quote that's there. Quentin. He said this multiple times. He's like, there's no such thing as an original. Even Pulp Fiction was based on movies, Reservoir Dogs. Like, there's all, they were, like, rip-offs of, like, every single movie.

Even Kel Bell, I mean, that's really just, like, the kung fu movies that he was obsessed with, like, Bruce Lee wore the yellow jumpsuit. Wow. Like, they all, there's all poles from everything. Even the Jack Rabbit Slim Ziner is based on an Elvis Speedway movie. Like, he just, like, he just, for movies. But that's, like, his thing. He says that.

He's like, that's just what I do. So then I saw this. I was like, Quinton, as a Quinton's super fan, I thought we just steal from every movie ever made. Like, that's the whole thing. That's what you do. It's like, you just get inspired. You know, Twilight. Isn't that, like, a fan fiction of, like, 50 Shades of Gray or something like that?

Reverse, but yes. Well, there's no original idea, you know? And so I was, like, he's like, why was he sued for every penny? I was like, in that same logic, pointed. It could be you. And I think to, I mean, the concept is not super original. Like, even Fortnite is similar to a battle royale because it's just, like, a group of people in one area and you have to fight for survival. Like, I don't think the concept for a fight for survival is that original end of itself.

Lord of flies. Yeah. So, because I remember being, like, when I got into the Hunger Games, people said it was, like, similar to Battle Royale. And I went and watched that film thinking it would be, like, Hunger Gamesian, but it's just, like, very, like, brutal. Like, it doesn't have the, like, sci-fi elements of, like, Hunger Games, really. It's just, like, it really is just, like. Killing. But, yeah, like, pure, like, violence and fighting.

like storytelling of course but like a lot more like no punches held back no checker jacks yeah jacks no gorgeous wigs you know okay yeah so i still don't know what bad royale is but i'm like assuming that i'm like well hunger games obviously it's just more and then he went after paul dano oh that was so random i love how he just like these are all the people i hate yes literally he was talked because he was listing some of his favorite movies and um he was talking about the movie There Will Be Blood. It was, like, his fifth favorite movie. And he said his least favorite about it, though, was Paul Dano.

It was the biggest flaw in the movie. And he said he is weak sauce, man. He's a weak sister. He's such a weak, weak, weak, uninteresting guy. Oh, my God, that's the craziest. I know. And then all these celebrities came out to, like, like, Reese Witherspoon is talking about, like, everyone's coming out to talk about him. I'm like, damn.

And then. That was crazy. And then I saw the next day, the article was about him, Matthew Lillard. Like, what the hell? He's like the American treasure right now. I know. It's like a national treasure for sure. I've been seeing the clips everyone posts on gay Twitter of him from like,

she's all that, him spinning around and stuff being a real world. He's so good. I was so, I'm so sad about that. I know. I'm so sad for Matthew Lillard. He seems like such a sweetie.

And then he was, he did a special appearance for like FNAF too. And he talked about like seeing the clips on TikTok. And he's like, yeah, like that hurts my feelings. Like going after an actor like me. It's not like I'm on the level of. Tom Cruise. Right.

Like, obviously that's gonna hurt. And I'm like, damn, poor Matthew Lillard. He was so real about it, too. He's like, I guess Hollywood is like being popular here, but it's like, it's, that is sad. Yes. You know, I'm like. And then he also came for Owen Wilson.

He said, I also don't care for Owen Wilson. Well, we all kind of. We get that. We're all on that page. We're all similar. Yeah. What did Owen Wilson do? He's the voice of Lightning McQueen and cars.

Yeah, but is he great actor? I also think he like doesn't, he doesn't claim one of his kids I think his daughter allegedly. He refuses to see the daughter but has two sons that he talks about.

But I mean I guess that's a pretty hard from my... But overall, overall he's just not a great actor, right? I've only seen him in cars and the Loki show. You heard his voice. What?

The Loki show? What is that? What's Loki? Like the superhero? Oh, is it? The villain. Yes. Okay, well...

That's all I know I'm from, but... I meet the parents. Oh. Oh, I forgot he was in that, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think of Ben Stiller. Right.

Well, now you guys think of Ariana Grande. You gonna watch it? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I didn't like that interview. I was like, what is going on with this guy? The concept of going on, I don't know how talking about your 20 favorite movies turned into like everything I hate. Yeah.

Like, I love this movie. This is my top, what was number five? Yeah. But I also hated Poldiana. That's like me like, I love Pulp Fiction. but God, John Volda, the worst. Like, what do you mean? Like, you can't just say that about a movie.

That was weird, and maybe something happened between them. It sounds like he's getting old, you know, it's old man. I was going to say that. It's kind of like an old man punching in the air. Just all the things I hate. Not too much, as my sister does. Not too much now. Not too much now.

Yeah, I know. It gave me that a little bit. I was like, oh, come mine. Like, let's not be. I never, oh, God, I don't want to be that person. Like when I'm like 40s and 50s Like God I But maybe

I have to really watch myself now Like when I talk about things I'm like don't be that person That's like oh I don't get something Or you know what I mean Like Also he's like in the industry You don't need to punch down

On people in the industry Like you don't need Like there's no Touching Malphew Litter Is having his moment Yeah And it's also like not that They're even in the same lane

Like you're a director Like Matthew Liller You're not competing With him at all you know So And I'm like yeah You're not competing With Vynette at Freddy

Like you know You know, like, your films are it. I mean, we're waiting for your film. What are you doing? Like, you know what I mean? Like, he's been, he's been cricking him out. He's doing Scream. He's doing Five Nights at Freddy.

He's doing Comic-Conns. He's doing all of them. Wow. Breaks my heart a little bit. And I like Paul Dano. Is he the one from Little Miss Sunshine? Yes, the brother of Little Miss Sunshine. It's great, that.

Riddler? I'm so gag. Yes. He's pretty good. He's pretty good. I'm the opposite. I didn't like the movie, but I thought he was pretty good.

Yeah. I like him. I think you played Brian Wilson, too. Beach Boys. Sounds about right. Sure, yeah. I think he's great. Paul, Deanna, wow.

Well, speaking of not getting something, we did, we also got snubbed at the Golden Globes. We didn't make the podcast shortlist, so I don't think it's that shocking. Stop it. But the nominees are kind of what we clocked, actually. Armchair Expert with Dak Shepard, your favorite. Caller Daddy. Okay, Collar D. Good Hang with Amy Polar.

Yeah, that probably will win. That should win. Smart List with Jason Bainman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett. No one even knows what that is. Never seen clips once of that. The Mel Robbins podcast. That's the girl. And up first.

Up first, what is that? I was hoping you would know. Oh, you don't know? Up first. I never heard of up first. Nope. A. Fesha, Rasco, Leila Fedo, A. Martinez, and Steve Inskeep.

Okay. Too many people. Agreed. Of that. You can have more than two people on a podcast. Well, three, I guess, in this case. but even then it's like a chime in for me, which we love, but three, four is crazy.

So, yeah, we were. No Jay Shetty. No, J. Shetty. Wow. No, Los Colchristas. Wow. I do like Even Polar's podcast, though, so. Me too.

I do love, yeah, and to be fair, I've also only seen Amy Polar and Culler Daddy. Same, same, actually, yes. Disclaimer for the other nominees. I guess we've seen clips of Dack Shepherds, but. Oh, yeah, T. Seems problematic in every way. He's always saying problematic stuff. Why didn't quit and come for him?

that's the one I'm coming for. Dak Shepard, no. The Golden Globes came out. Okay, well, I didn't know. Who else nominated for anything? Ariana. Yeah, Ariana did get best supporting. Cynthia got snubbed for critics' choice,

but she did get a golden club. Yes. But Wicked didn't get a nomination for best comedy or musical. Is that crazy? Who got the nominations? Like, that's the only movie I know that came out this year. What do you mean? Comedy or musical?

What other ones came out this year? But it was, no musical was, also in the category, to be fair. Okay. That's odd. It was Blue Moon, begonia, Marty Supreme, no other choice, Novell, vague, and one battle after another. Wait, have we know any of those? You have you heard of any of those movies?

Marty Supreme. Never heard of it. That's the Timothy Chalemay movie. Also, if anyone in L.A. has this Marty Supreme jacket. That's what Daryon wants for Christmas. Marty Supreme. Yeah, he's a ping pong champion.

I don't know. But Daryon wants this jacket and the L.A. pop-up shop is today, but people have been camping out for 14 hours. Because Timothy Chalemayne leaked the address early. It was a whole debacle. Oh, no. So if anyone in the LA has a lot of service with him. You can't go.

That's been very, he can always get something. He's on it. That line is crazy, though. Oh, you'd just stay on line 14 hours. Yeah, it's not. But one battle after another, I mean, I haven't seen it. But from what I've seen about it,

it doesn't give me comedy. Like, I don't know how that's good to be. I've literally not kidding. I haven't heard any of these movies. Like, not even clips. Like, Dad Shepherd, okay, I've seen clips. Okay, whatever. Like, what?

Like, these are all comedies? Yeah. I mean, considered comedies. I don't know. That's crazy. Party Supreme isn't out yet officially, but I will see that one. And it's nominated. What about the one we saw?

That naked gun. Where's that nomination? I love that one. That one was so good. That was clever. That writing was good. Did you watch it? No.

It's so funny. She's like, oh, UCLA. He's like, I see LA every day. That was so good. Whoever wrote it should, like, get a nomination. Damn, they're haters. I think all those suck, and I think Wicked should have been nominated. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Look at it is like the biggest movie. Like, how are you? What? It is crazy that it got snubbed out of a musical. Like, put it in there. Come on. Literally.

What are you doing? It's so weird. I don't know. So musical and comedy share a category? At the Golden Globes only, yeah. That's funny. At the Oscars, like the rest of them, it'll just be like best, like, film. And then they're all like fighting for it.

But the Golden Globes separates them by genre. I don't know how I feel like this. I know, it is all over the place. Like, the critics' choice is so different from the Golden Globes. Like, I don't know. This award season is, like, a toss-up, so we'll see. There's too many awards. Yeah, tell me about it.

I can't believe I have to go into awards season all over again. Oh, my God, are you going to go? Let's have to prepare the audience. Things are getting bad again. Yeah. Should I get myself on Instagram live or TikTok live? That was breaking. Thanks.

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You had that whole talk about it. How did you see that? Well, I see. I watched. I watch at home on Sunday night. I don't watch anything about you. That is so funny. I was peeping it because I was like this must be a hot topic if Oscar shot.

It was, it will say, TikTok, where TikTok was all Jacqueline Hill and Michaela. My Twitter was all streamers. Mine too. Our algorithms are very similar. That is very odd. Yeah. Because I'm not on this in real life streaming thing, okay? But every clip was that.

And I was like, what is happening? First of all, the positive. is everyone look good. All these female streamers, they look great. Yeah, everyone looks great. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, I'm so used to like everyone just being on Ozempic and we love. And not to say they're, see, this is how you trigger everyone, right?

Some people want, if I say they don't look like they're on Oz epic, then it's like, oh my God, I'm getting on it, you know? I just love that. It was just like, wow, these are some really, they're just, I don't even know how to say it. You know what I mean? Kirby. Natural. Natural.

Right. Just living life bodies. Definitely not chubby, but fine if you are. I don't know. I just was nice to see. I was like, well, okay, streamers just having the Badiotti's. They were looking good. It's what I'm trying to say, but, damn, trying not to, like, trigger anyone.

Everyone, Ms. McCarthy, oh my gosh, he was like, Body Adi-Odi-I-T. I was like, oh, my gosh. Everyone is just getting, we love, everyone's getting me. But it was nice to see some, because I'm content creators, I see content creators not all be a size-zero. Yeah, it's hard to compete with that. Variety. Yes, everybody look great.

Yeah. Any other good parts of it? You loved it? Did I love it? Well, those are your people. Those, I, hashtag, I don't go here. Yeah, you do. You love.

Valky, QT. Cinderella, Vanilla Mace, fan, fan, Hassan, the Austin show. I actually don't know fan fan. Okay, it seems like someone you would stand. Katie, I like Katie, Katie B. Yeah. Jen, Jen McAllister is there, of course. But all the guys, I don't, like, when they go, he's, him and Austin show are the only ones. You know,

Prezzo. I know Prezzo. Obviously, like, I showed us to be eating Kaisenat. But other than that, like, I don't know any of the phase guys. That's been not wrong for a long time. Are the original phases out? Like, phase banks? Oh, they are.

Like, oh. Are they? Yeah. I think they're doing other things, though. Yeah, you never. Like, is it, like, Game of Thrones where, like, you have to pass on, or, like, royalty? Yeah. You have to pass on.

To the next. Yeah. I wonder who the big phase is right now. I know. And how does that, like, work? Is it democracy? do they elect or does the king just like choose the next era of like phase? Who's the king?

I don't know. I don't know anything about that. Probably someone chooses their successor. Right? I don't know. Like phase banks like, hey, now phase. I don't even know the other phase.

I literally just know all these things. But that's like because I'm old so long ago. I can't even remember. Who put this on? Is it like YouTube? Like Twitch? No, it's all TV Cinderella. It's all her.

What do you mean? It's literally just her. She put all her money to do this award show. She puts like, it's like a million, it was a million dollar production. And she does it herself. Like literally. She puts a million dollars? No.

No. No. Hand on the Bible. Hand on the Bible. Like she gets sponsored. Like 18T sponsored it this year. Oh. Okay.

So she helps offset the cost for sure. But she puts like so much of her own money just because she likes to do it. But it's like it's not. Think about if you were like her passion to this is like your passion to music videos. In one year, take those music videos, you could do a streamer award show. The truth. case. Okay.

I like this. You're right. That was a good way to put it. Yeah, fair, fair, yeah. Okay, then how do all these people come? They're just like... She opens up the nominations. Like, it's all fans, like, make the nominations.

And then from the nomination list, then the fans vote on who wins, and then she sent out the invites. And then she deals with, like, she gets the trophies made. She books the space. She gets security. She gets, like, the prize. It is kind of... It's really impressive.

I think you're doing too much. That's a lot. I know. I'm like, I'm worried for a girl because this is a little crazy. Oh my. But she said it for a lot. Goodos to her for getting all those people because if I did an award show, nobody would talk about.

We don't know. It's like every big stream right in there is crazy. It must be over how many years they've been doing this. Like four or five, right? She must have kind of established herself in that space. That's that long. Because a lot of people try and somebody succeed. and everyone agree, okay, this is the award, we all.

I've been doing this 20 years, and I have nothing. Nobody will come on this podcast, except for Ted Nefferson, who would ask her just DMs every day. Like, that's crazy. Oh, and there's, like, red carpets and getting images. And, like, it's a whole thing. She dyed her hair brown? I don't know if she dyed it or if it was a wig or what was tea,

but it's good. I like her and brown hair. That being said, the show was kind of every clip I've seen is Diabolical, yeah. Maybe on purpose. Maybe she wanted to go viral. I don't know. I don't know.

And this is really no shade to her because some of it's like out of her control. A lot of it I think is the culture of like Twitch streamers. No offense to all of them. But it's very much like clip farming and like a lot of rage baiting and stuff like that. So when you get all those people together, it's a little just diabolical in general, you know? You are what you culting. You are what you speak. Yeah.

And then it was a whoever wrote, I don't know who wrote the script. I don't know. I can't imagine the host wrote their own jokes, but the roasting was, like, so uncomfortable. It was probably the most uncomfortable thing I've ever watched. I was kind of, like, obsessed with how awkward it was. Like, it was crazy. I literally have a montage, Jimmy, that can just insert it, because I can't even describe to you what is. I saw a TikTok, it was like most awkward moments, and it was just like the most awkward jokes.

What's your favorite awkward moment? I think my favorite, not even like favor, but like the cringiest to me was like, going up to um kaisenna i've been like oh i saw your documentary with 50 cent um congrats on your new documentary with a 50 cent that was that was you right saying that he looks like p diddy and i know that he's made like yes that was the worst one that one was the worst one to me i didn't get it at all that's crazy but he's like young like he doesn't look like p ditty what is that and just heard and no offense of fan fan either because but roasting is just not for everybody It's just not for everybody, as you know, like, roast you.

I'm a good roaster. What? What? I'm good. Let me roast you right now. You always say you're a bad roaster. Oscar, that hat. He watches the show, so the designer of this hat.

Oh, I was, okay. We love it. See you're a bar roaster. Burn. To burn. Moses. That pink. Who picked that out for you?

Your wife. That's not masculine. Burn. Work. Okay, yeah, maybe next year. But people did say that if it was like a comedian coming to do a roast, people would receive it a bit better. And probably they would also have bitter sensitivity to what to say, not to say.

But in her case, it's not what she does. Well, it's also, right, you have to really fully commit. I think, like, you have to fully commit and they have to be funny because, yeah, if your roasts are not funny. Yeah, and there's also no setup. Like, when you're roasting, you kind of have to set them up to, like, you almost, like, fluff them up a little bit. and then you, like, you know, you throw the dart at them.

You know what I mean? Like, you put air in the balloon, then you pop it. Like, you don't just go, like, you look ugly. Like, and, she went up to, like, Vanilla Mace and Katie B. And was, like, she was like, you guys are so beautiful. I heard that cutie is the one that's rigging the awards, and that's why you're not going to win tonight because of all that drama. But you look great.

And then she walked through, and they were just like, what? She was saying what comes to her head. I'm like, girl, she went up to Osana's like, so, you have that vibration. And you have that vibration remote in your pocket? Are you just happy to be here? And everything was so awkward. Yes. It was like the most, and no one's laughing.

I kind of love, actually. I'm going to give it. It's very Trish-Coded in the fact, in the sense that. Just like, it just like bongled. Yes. It is very Trish-Code in the fight. No one's laughing. Everyone's just sitting there like, okay, it was so bad.

And then there was like a moment where like a Wendy Ortiz fan was like, It was towards the end of the show and, like, Cudy's doing, like, her closing monologue. And then someone screamed, like, Wendy's going to win next year. And then she just kind of crashed out. She's like, why are you in her? And I feel like it was just the culmination of, like, everything going along that she's just like this. I didn't see that one.

That was giving Trisha nachos for sure. She's like, huh? I thought you were doing me for real. I really thought that was. Huh? What? I'm sure Wendy to love that. Anyways.

That was crazy. I really thought it was like a bit. After that, they're like, okay. Yeah. Anyways. It was not. Oh, my God. And then Fanfan went up to, like, the phase table.

And she's like, oh, here's the homophobic table. Or is it like the misogynist table. I forget. I was ready. Me going up to David Oberich. Oh, my God. That's so funny. It was really diabolical the whole production.

And then I vote so whoever, oh, my God. Because then QD would also be making jokes. and then it would cut to like the audience camp to get their reaction and they would get the camera would get the wrong person and they'd be like oh that's not them or it would just be like an empty seat with no one there and I'm just like oh this is so bad where was it do you know where they had it I think it was a venue in downtown LA one like one of those like theaters wow oh you know I can't I can't hate because I can't try like at the beginning you know I'm sure the Oscars of the fourth year was a mess you know I don't think so yeah Not like this. Like things develop. The people sitting in that room, each one of them is worth like a hundred million dollar plus.

Yes. This is a big industry. It's only going to grow and get more polished and better. And I've seen so many things about it, but even QD Cidera, like she replied to people criticize. She's like, yeah, 100%. Yeah. Like, so like you're right.

Like 100%. Need to get better writers. Need to get it organized. Yeah, it's hard. Like, so she acknowledges that it was a mess. And that's how you grow. But anyway. Love that positive.

Yeah. No, for me, it's more about like the streaming awards is something that's going to be big 10 years from now. It's going to be huge. Like those people are breaking in hundreds of millions. They're going to be worth a billion in 10 years.

That's crazy. Why are they there? If I was worth 100 million, I would definitely not be there. That's crazy. Like, if I was worth $100 million, that's what's so great to me is like why they're there. Yeah, somebody like,

like, case and that to sit there and be insulted. that that's just like you shoot yourself into food like the fact that you get him in the room and then you treat him like that that's horrible yeah i'm not going anywhere for if i'm worth a hundred million dollars and i'm staying not even the oscars staying home you should do your oscars you're one oscars yeah good idea i budget of 50 bucks in a dream oh my god put him here i'm sure i could get Ted nivison to show up and then probably a couple other people i think when he wanted to show off instead of you and him hosting was he there he was oh We need the tea.

We need the tea on this. Okay, I'm so excited for it. Oh, my God. Done and done. Did he get an award? No. Did Vanilla Mace get anything? No, she was, I mean, she...

Oh, she wasn't up. Her fans were upset that she didn't win, but she was like, it's okay. Like, I was just, like, excited to be nominated in big categories. I mean, that is crazy. She's the only, like, streamer, I know. I'm obviously QT Center. We love her. She made the cake for Elvis.

She seems very sweet. I love QTee. No, me too. She's beautiful. I don't know their beef. I guess there is beef. I don't know their beef. I think the beef has been said.

I mean, they were there at Cutie's event, so I think it was settled. It was something. You remember the hot topics you gave us? It was like, it was controversial. Oh, that stream. Yes. Yeah. What did she say again?

It was like. Oh, bad. Yeah. It was rough. Being friends with people who you don't agree with, something like that. Yeah. That was a fiasco for sure. And then there's another fiasco, damn.

But, well, she doesn't say she hates being a streamer or something, right? Cutie. Yeah. I saw, yeah. She's like, I wish this wasn't my job and someone's like, quit. Kind of eight, though. Poor thing.

She's really going through it. I feel for her. It is stuff. You can tell she's so passionate, though. Yeah. No, I love. I would love her forever for doing a free cake for Elvis. I think you can do no wrong in my eyes.

I know, she's so sweet. But, girl, I don't know. It's just the streaming ecosystem is just tough. I'm afraid of it. I would never go to stream awards because they're so scary. Like, I would just be afraid of saying the wrong thing, being around the wrong people. Like, I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah, they seem pretty brutal. Like, everyone, like, loved Nelmaise and hates her now. They love her again. I was like, oh, my. Went to Ortiz is the one, though. She really is running that shit. Like, I had no idea.

Like, people don't play about Wendy Ortiz work. I think that's fierce. I think that's amazing. I won her on a podcast. She always like, oh, my gosh, I mentioned me. And then I'm like, girl, you want on a podcast and I'm here for her. Yeah. And she's just like a cute girl that just, like, talks on stream.

Yeah. I wish I could be a hundred million dollars doing that. That's crazy. Crazy. You know, we love it. Cuteness can go a long way down. If I was a cute girl, I would have been unstoppable. Tell me about it.

Maybe in another life. Are we coming back as? I'm coming back as Oliandria. That's what I'm coming back as. Oh, that's a good choice. Who would I come back as? Hmm. Maybe one of the gays from, like, heated rivalry.

Or I guess maybe they're straight. I don't know. One of them is bisexual. How do we know? Oh. One of the actors said he's bisexual. I forget which one, but. I like that.

Yeah. every one of those. Buy erasure is a real thing. You know what else is a real thing? What? Overconsumption. Okay. How you want it?

This is my, you know, all weekends were my platform. Actually, I came home last day. I'm like, Moses, tell me everything you know about overconsumption and why it's bad. Because I was researching. I was Googling. I was like, okay, I need to get to the bottom of this. Okay, because this is like very, obviously I am no stranger to being overconsumpt. Okay.

We have. I have a hundred bling cups Okay, I have a fake Birken right here That's blink, I have a bling duck All right, look I know, right I'm not one to like lay the gavel down But I'm going to for a minute

Because I think it's important As I have just learned in the past 48 hours I need to educate Because you know I never got it either I was like why is everyone coming from Michaela for having 50 black quilted Chanel bags in her closet or why is ever coming for Jacqueline because she has 50 Stanley Cups.

And now I know why. Okay. First of all, our landfills. The toxicity going into our soils. The air we breathe. I was just thinking like, oh, climate change. What's that matter? Well, if we stop breathing,

if we cease to exist, our oceans bring us life. I was Googling this. I'm like, what's with the oceans? Who cares? it's the ocean, it's not us, it's not living, it's not affecting us, it's affecting everything. Also, they're taking up materials,

water sources, making stuff we don't need, you know what I mean? How about go to Poshmark? How about just like re, go to Goodwill? Do you know what I mean? How about just wear the same freaking clothes? Yep. You know, how about wear a bag over a potato sack?

You know, that's what I'm about to get. I, yeah, I think we need to just stop buying. I also think, look, I also think we just also need to stop showing wealth. Do you know what I mean? I think this is a very important thing because, look, I have an influencer, right?

Okay, I make some pretty good money. But like, the flaunting of it now feels a little ache. Can I tell you, even spending money now on things that are just on me and not for like the greater good of like our society and humanity? Like, I'm like, okay, I get it, they don't have kids. And not everyone needs kids to like understand this. But damn, I would like my kids

to like survive till they're like 80, 90, but I really fear we all might collapse. I think so. The way our world is going, do you know what I mean? Like, what? We might run out of water. Clean water. That's what we can used to be able to drink tap water. And now we can't even do that.

You know what I mean? Like I feel, and I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. Our kids are going to feel it. And bottom line is this, right? Everything's going up because of that, right? all these inflation prices. Why? Because, yes, everything's becoming more limited. People are not being able to afford food. And it's so real. And I'm being so serious about this. Okay. I literally cried

like on San Francisco. Oh my God. Everyone on my meet and greet. They all had these stories. And look, I always encourage a trauma dump. I do. I know a lot of people don't like it. I encourage it because I feel it's nice that people feel safe with me to talk about this. But like, people who like can't afford to like feed. And not people that are just on snap benefits. Just like, people that are just working and stuff like that, like, can't afford, like, formula. And, like, they would, like, come to my shows and stuff like that. It's like, I don't know. It's really sad, because I met a lot of people outside the show that didn't even come in the show.

And I was just like, I don't know. It's just, I don't know. Like I said, even buying something for, like, myself these days, I'm just like, I don't know if that's, like, the right move. But showing it, I don't know. Spend your money how you want is what a lot of people say, like, to defend. You know, they make money spend it how you want. Maybe not, like, flaunted in people's faces because there's some real, I mean,

just people just people working hard but there's people who like are working like three jobs and still can't like keep it afloat I don't know just made me sad the whole thing made me sad so I was like I saw people I get it I also don't want to be that person that's like oh my god don't show purses because like as Moses he's like well you know you I don't know if we should talk about it and I was like I think I'm the perfect person to talk about it because I am that first person to be buying way too much but I think I need to start not doing that and just stop buying things right I think that's the way to go. I don't know.

It kind of made me sad. I went down a rabbit hole. I got really sad just knowing that, like, yeah, we're actually, like, destroying our planet. As someone who didn't know what climate change was six years ago, I think it's real. Yeah. And I think it's, we're all doomed.

Okay, well, I don't know if you should be different. Yeah, I think so. We're worried about Netflix and Warner Brothers. We should be worried about us, humans. Will we make it? I don't know. Hopefully. Hopefully.

I don't know. You're drinking tap water over there. I'm like trying to get you to stop. I was like, oh, I'll stop drinking. But what are we going to do? What are we going to do? Yeah, and it's also not that, you know, because you said like, forget about Chachibati or I. It's not like one or the other.

It's both because it's like, because they use the same. They use a lot of energy and water. So it's the same thing, like the waste of energy and the waste of water. So they're. I think it's just like. All in the same boat. It's not like choosing one or the other, but addressing all of them. Why are we so wasteful?

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Thank you so much to Home Chef for sponsoring days' episode of Just Trish. Because basically when you think about the billionaires, like, you know, how does Bezos get all of these billions of dollars is from people just buying into because consuming, right, where it's like eating, you're, we're, consuming the, basically the bulls they sell us. Yeah. Because they just sell us something, you know, and it's shiny and interesting or fashionable.

But at the end of the day, they're just draining us from our energy and it goes to one, to a few individuals or a few companies. And what are they doing with that money? Are they making it a better place or not? No, I think that's the problem. And I'm not like, I think you can consume. You can't go around naked, although I think we should.

sometimes that's a whole other thing who started that that we can't show nips in public like that's crazy but that's a lot of thing i think you can consume i think it's consuming responsibly i did see a ticotker he kind of ate he's like i think you only need one stanley cup and i was like honestly he he was talking jack on hill but i felt it too i was like you know what yeah i probably don't need a thousand low wow yeah it's the only one i'll ever have yeah well this is my only one i'm keeping you know what i'm going to start giving mine away so that way people don't have to buy new I'm going to start giving my stuff away. I think that's the way to go.

I don't know. It's a tough one. It's tough because I love. I do love consuming things. But honestly, even, I'm not going to lie, even seeing Michaela's, all those black chanels, I paused. I had to show Moses. 30 quilted black chanels. Is that new or was that in the other hall?

Yes, it was a closet tour. She was showing someone organizing a closet. That was, girl. They all were exactly the same. She was showing the closet being organized. And as you pan suddenly realized, there's a wall. wall of Chanel bags. 30 black quilted exactly like all

like I wouldn't be telling one from the other they look the same to me. Oh no. I mean it made me feel bad and I you know what I mean? And there's guys that you know accumulate cars and they have hangers of them and each car is a million dollars and it's too much.

There's like everyone can I say I think okay if she wants to buy 50 Chanel bags of course her prerogative maybe just not the time and place right now. Just the world is very sad right now. And I guess that's what I've learned getting out of my house. Maybe I need to, maybe more people to get out of the house because I like left my house, San Francisco specifically this weekend. It was just like really, it's really awful there right now. And it's like, it's sad because it's such a beautiful like city.

But the times are like tough for everyone, not just people that are unhoused on the street. Like people who come to the show, people who can't get to the show that I just meet at the airport and stuff like that. Like there's just like, it's just rough. It's like rough out there. And I just, I don't know. It just, uh, I understand, like, working hard and, like, spending your money. I think it's maybe just, like, I don't know. I'd rather see just people just, like, donating, even if it's for show. You know what I mean?

Be like, here's $20,000. Like, it just feels better. Try and do what I can, but my gosh, it's a tough one. I know it sounds, I know. Coming from me, it does not weird. I know. I don't know if you talk about it. I was like, I get it.

But it's also just sad, and it weighed on my heart a lot. And, um, Jackman was funny because she's like, I have a million followers. but only 30,000 people watching my video. Like, girl, same. Same. Sometimes people are just over you. Sometimes people are just over me on TikTok. Like, I'm definitely getting like 40,000 views right now on TikTok.

And I'm like, maybe people are just over me right now. Yeah. Maybe, you know. She like, you know, I didn't have to deal with the algorithm as an OG. I'm an OG. Yes. That's it. Yeah, the Jacqueline one was interesting.

I like her. I do too. I want her on the show. I like her. Yes. Um, I think it was just. like layer because it was like the algorithm thing I think she just had done like you know the makeup haul or whatever or the unhauling clearing out all her makeup like that was her

video right before oh right so it was already kind of like unrelatable and then going right into that and she has been doing a lot of like more of like the luxury the caviar and the chicken nugget that's crazy yeah she was doing all lot of that kind of content and then yeah when she's asking like why aren't I getting views or whatever it's like well we just like don't relate to your content anymore there was that I was a little like girl girl whatever when she was like if I like want to take like a week off because I'm burnt out then I get punished for it and it's like well that's everyone with the job like we I can't just be like I don't feel like going to work today so I'm just not going to show up a week and a half it doesn't matter if I'm burnt out like my to go to the office

you know what I mean that's what everyone that's just how the world works like I still got to work even if we don't feel like it that is where like the because I do have empathy towards content creators in general because I do think there are a hard aspect to it but again like there's so much privilege of like owning your own time having your own schedule getting like i'm gonna go on vacation this month and then you can just go and that's your work is going on vacation yeah true exactly so it's like it's when people like make it seem like god i can't just take like a week off and i'm like girl welcome to reality yeah yeah yeah so i do get a little like i know but i think what you said is kind of the tea of like if you get out of your bubble because

also like these people's all their like social group is other influence sensors. So like you can kind of commiserate with them and you can kind of get like a warped sense of reality like oh this is how the world is. But then if you yeah when you go out of your bubble and you talk to people who have like regular jobs who like are affected by the cost of living like wages are not getting higher but the cost of living is getting higher. So like people are getting almost like bought out of the areas that they live in because they can't afford it anymore. Yes. Living is going up. So yeah like getting out of your bubble and like learning about this like real world problems

it really does make a big difference. I know, it's like, it's insane because you hear about it, but I think it's like until you like see it and I'm just talking like I was at the theater and just like outside of the theater and just like stuff you see and you're just like damn like I don't know it can be a lot.

And it's coming from someone who's also in this, I've been in the same boat as them so it's not like I'm trying to like judge but I think it's a good learning lesson or she even asked. She goes, what is wrong with the content? Well, you know what I get it? She was, like, she did the follow-up. And she's like, I hear you guys.

Like, yeah, this makes sense. Like, so she, yeah, it clocked to her. So it's good. We love when it clocks. Yeah. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Michaela, I do love your closets.

I do think they're great, but also for safety reasons. Don't need to show all that. I get a little worried for her. Oh, the jewelry just should now. I'm just like, it's a lot. Mm-hmm. Like, and I, people like it. Like, I read the comments and a lot of her comments, like,

let her live her life. And I get that, too. But, mm. It's a lot. Moses, you're going to stop spending so much money. I know. I mean, I wear clothes until they fall apart, literally. You love a Ross.

Because Ross is where they go when they don't sell at the main store. When clothes go to die, yeah. But you love it. He truly loves a Ross. I just can't find things my size. Well, it's chaos. It's not a good place for you to go. Like, I can sort through the chaos, but for you, it needs to be more, like, presented in a way that you can see what it is.

I don't know anything. But I don't care about if something is in fashion, right? now. I just get something that I always wear the same white t-shirt. It's comfortable and I like. I had another hot topic and I forgot what it was. No, I don't matter. Anyways. Not trying to bring down the mood, I'm just saying, huh? The other one was with the rhinos, but they will come.

Rhinos are coming. Later. The rhinos are coming. Protect the rhinos. No easy transition to it, but I have a fascinating Jake Shane hot topic. okay have you seen the allegations the rumors no he's in a relationship with role model Emma Chamberlain's ex-boyfriend okay where was this um I haven't seen there was a tic-talk that again this was it was all kind of very unserious to me

this one girl in New York made a tic-tok I hope Jimmy just insert it here for context but this one girl just made the tic-tok and she just claimed that she saw Jake Shane out on the street and he started making and she was gonna go up to him and she just, he started making out with another guy. And then when she was passing him, she saw that it was a role model, Tucker. And there was another tweet that was like, oh, now that people are talking about this,

I can finally say that people, I, that, the exact tweet is, I didn't want to say this before because I wanted to respect their privacy. But since people are already talking about it, I saw Tucker and Jake leaving mud on the Les. On the Les. I don't know what it is,

but holding him. hands to the holding hands the other day. So they left somewhere holding hands. And just one person to claim this? No, this is a different person. A different person on Twitter said this. And I was like, is this a joke? And I went to the comments of the TikTok and she, I think she was being a little

unsurious, but she kept saying, this is real. This is not satire. So this is all alleged. But then on the tweet, everyone was saying, oh, wow, Tucker and Jake are going to love this. So either way, I think if it's real, amazing, if it's not. real. I think they're getting a kick out of it. But my message to Jake Shane is be careful about having a fake little flirt manse with a straight guy because it will break your heart at some

point. Wait, why are you saying this from experience? Yes. What's yours? I had a flirt manse with when I worked at Target and I was like in love with him. And he would also like key with me and like be very touchy, but he was straight. He's still a straight. But he like led you on. We had a whole conversation about this. You have a sense of hope like maybe. But he gave you like a big sense of hope. Like yours was, his was like, oh, I would have thought the same thing. I would have been like, oh, yeah, we're in love. But still when I see Jake, I mean, Jake's the Sally, you know, they're like, they're holding hands, they're very touchy.

He's on the podcast all the time. They're, like, best friends. Jake is joking about his, like, sexiest, the people's sexiest man spread, you know, so. Was he ever friends with Emma, Jake? I don't think so, actually. Okay, so there's no, like, there. Girl Colobbing, bro. Yeah, I'd be like, hey, that seems crazy, but, well, I haven't heard about any of this.

But that makes sense. They're both it boys at the moment. I know. I just, I do, I worry for Jake if he's being, you know. Oh, you think he's being taken advantage of him. Not taking advantage of, but like maybe, and this is just me projecting. I feel like a spiritual connection to Jake Shane for some reason. You've always loved him.

I have advocated from getting, he's great. One pocket, I guess I'm a, I don't think I have pocket gay anymore, but one former pocket gay, one current pocket gay. What's a pocket gay? Like just a pint-sized fun gay. he's a current i'm a former former pocket gay what you grew or what yeah

he's got dollar he's getting weight but oh you have to be like I think it's to be teeny to fit in the little pocket oh not a common anyone's body I like that

that's cute a little pocket little pocket game I just work you know I get protective so just you know well you have to have your heartbroken a few times true character development

yeah and Jake loves Taylor Swift so I guess if you got his heartbroken you'd be able to really to Taylor songs more that's a plus side It was fun getting my heart broke and then like listening to Taylor Swift and be like, oh, I know what this feeling is like.

I feel it. Yeah. Do you get married soon? I saw that. I heard the rumor was next June or something. Oh, I heard soon. Google Alert came up. It was like, Taylor Swift is getting married soon. Oh, work.

Don't actually, because I'm scared for me. The amount of work I'll have to do if that happens. But you love it. Don't you love covering Taylor Swift? To me, it's like, oh, work is dominoes. All right, let me eat some of that pizza. Like, I feel like it's the same. To me, it's too close, you know.

Like, I want to be able to enjoy my sister's moment. And then it's like, well, I have to work. I can't celebrate, really? Girl, because I'm on the clock, yeah. I think if I, like, love something and get to get paid for it, I'm like, all right. But I think it's different if you actually have to, like, meet, like, you get to, you know, just be like, eat it. I have to sit there and like. Yeah, he wants to just enjoy it, consume it.

All right. Work. Fair enough. Me being out of touch influencer. I don't know. I was like, I just eat the pizza. Yeah. What that?

I get it. No. I need to be aware. and learn and grow. Well, I'm really excited for our guests coming. Just one little thing, it's happening live. When you guys looked at the Domino's post, did you see the comments?

Did you talk about it? No. In the comment in particular, Ms. Remy Ashton. You got her blessing? Oh, my gosh. She did it in all caps. It's happening. Wow.

Let me see. Then Domino's replied, not Remy commenting. I love it. He's running there, AIG. Oh, yeah, there we go. That is so funny. I'm buying cheese pizza because of Tricia stuff.

Oh, wow, everyone. Edible arrangements is coming. Garnier is, Garnier, USA is commenting, all these companies. Yeah, the prophecy has been fulfilled. Wow. Wow. I'm not going to lie, it's pretty iconic what's about to come. It's not just a muckbank.

It's not just a paid partnership. It is a collection. And I'm so excited. I just, I really felt in my elements. You guys, more education coming for you. We're going to get nominated for an educational podcast. I hope I explained what I meant to say about fossil fuel and climate change, okay? You didn't mention fossil fuel, but I think the sentiment.

I had it, I can talk about it. It's all together. Yeah. Depletion of, yes. Depletion of minerals. Yeah. Minerals. everything all the stuff that's been made in China has to come here so it's on boats and it uses

fossil fuel and it's polluting the environment and it's like there's so many elements to it so shop locally things that are made near you absolutely support people in your community conscious consuming oh beautifully said that's what I was looking for this whole time that was great that is what it is because we still need to buy stuff I'm going to still buy stuff but conscious consuming that was beautiful you guys coming up next we have of our local vet. People's sexiest vet as well. People's sexiest, this year?

Or did that one point? I think at one point, but he still collab with him all the time. Wow. Yeah. And he just has a lot to say about animals and a rhino conservatorship. Not conservatorship, conservation. Conservatorship is Britney Spears. Well, someone has to look out for their finances.

No, no conservation. I did my research on this. Okay, I know. I know about it and what we need to do to stop it. Yes. And we also have a surprise for you in this next hour as well. You have a surprise for me and have a surprise for you. It's a surprise.

I can't tell you. In the next hour. Yes. So it's a- Oh, got a lot to do. Stay tuned for this next. Oh, God. All right.

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we were introducing you. I was going to say welcome back. Joining us today, we have a local celebrity animal Whisper You're like a real life Dr. Doolittle

But also one of people's sexiest Dr. Evan Anton is here today Hi. Yay! A pause. No, we've been so excited. Oscar, you found Dr. Evan originally. Yeah, I think I saw, you know what?

I was at the gym and you were on a show and I forget which network it was on but you were doing like an educational animal segment on some show when I was at the gym and I was like Were you on a piece of cardio equipment? Yes.

Okay, so I did the Serengeti Safari series, and this was with Nordic track equipment. So they were, like, putting inbuilt streaming onto their cardio equipment. Wow. They had, like, an Egyptian guy and some other experts, and I was the Serengeti Safari expert. So we were doing, like, it was like a 10-episode thing in the Serengeti.

I think that's exactly what it was. Wow. Yeah, and I was like, we should do an animal segment. I love this. Okay, yes. I am, I'm like new to animal loving for sure. Like I love, no, I love, I love the idea. You know, we're in the mountains.

So we've gotten used to bobcat, tarantulas, and snakes. And, you know, you just have to be, even coyotes. Sure. I think they're, they're kind of, like, they're kind of sweet. I think they get a bad rap, right? Like, they kind of are, like, they run away from. They're extremely intelligent. Yeah.

They can get very comfortable with people and very habituated to, like, communities and stuff. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they're, they're smart. They're very relatable in a lot of ways, but they can, You know, you got to watch out for them if you have little dogs or small pets. They can, you know, as a veterinarian, I've definitely seen, you know, our fair share of, you know, coyote attacks or attempted predatory moments. Yeah.

Well, they seem sweet. Like, like, they, well, I know that part. They're not, they're not a good pet. They're not, like, they're not going to be sweet to a person. Yeah. They're going to be, you know, as an animal, like, yeah, like they're, you know, they take care of their cubs. They're, uh, they're, uh, super social.

Like they're, you know, there's a lot of relatable things, but not like as a pet kind of a thing. Okay. Good to know. Well, we've seen them and they kind of wander away. So I always think like, okay, maybe they're not as bad. I think they get comfortable around people. They're just so obituated. They're like, you're not going to hurt me.

I don't have to worry about you. And to a point where actually can be a problem. And that's where they're like, I'm going to try to steal your dog right in front of you kind of a thing. Okay. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, like, put this, like, you know, say that and coyotes are just like awful. I don't mean like that, but they can be very comfortable. Just like, you know, raccoons can be in your backyard.

If you live in northern California, you might have a bear going in your dumpster. They get so comfortable. Same thing with these coyotes. They can obituate you very quickly. And they are wild animals. We are in there being in that's how I think, you know. They've been here for way longer than we have, right? That's how I feel.

And we are in the Conahejo Valley. So I've also become accustomed to bunnies. They're my new favorite. I know, those little cottontail guys. They're so cute. Not for pets here? Like the wild ones, you would not suggest. Yeah.

I've never seen one as a pet, to be honest. They might obituate if they're, like, born in captivity. And you, like, maybe. But I don't even want to encourage that because, honestly, I wouldn't recommend that or encourage it. Also, it's probably not legal. In a lot of states, in California, pretty much for the most part, as far as I know, any of the native wildlife isn't legal to have as a pet.

Oh, right, like keeping it inside. Yeah. And those guys, they're not going to have the same temperament. Yeah. You know, if you go to, like, a pet shop or something like, or a rescue, which I always encourage. And there's great, you know, even small mammal rescues. Rescue bunnies? Yeah, absolutely.

Big time. Yeah, reptile rescues. There's all kinds of rescues. Yeah. Okay, so that's the other thing. So we had the animals coming, which was this exciting, but you were so comfortable. You had a snake. What was the snake around you?

We can show in a minute. That was the one you saw was a carpet python. So you're not scared. Like if you see a snake in the wild, are you, like, reaching out to touch it? Oh, I'm like, certain snake species have been what's motivated me to go to a place

in the wild to go see them in the wild. Like, I'm a huge reptile nerd. I love snakes. I love seeing them in the wild. I love, you know, working with them in captivity as a veterinarian or in the wild. Yeah, no, it's not like a, it wasn't a fear overcoming thing.

It was like, I've always just, like, nerded out on reptiles and love them. The snakes seem sweet. We have a lot in our area, too. And they seem like, they seem smart. Mm-hmm. I mean, they're smarter than I think they get credit for. Yeah.

And, I mean, I'm sure everybody's heard stories of like, oh, the snake attacked me, blah, blah, blah. I just, that's just not the case. They definitely want to get away. I mean, if a snake seems aggressive or is aggressive, it's because you've cornered it or something like that. But if it hasn't out, it's going to take it. So, yeah, they don't want anything to do with us. So just if I always tell people, if you're afraid of snakes and you see them on a hike or something or wherever, or just give it space, and it's not going to bother you.

Yeah, just go the other way. That's what we've learned from all the animals. The bobcats, I just go away. I just be like, well, you can chill in that tree. They don't ever, like, jump out or attack. Okay, so when did the whole animal thing start for you? As long as I can remember. Like a little kid, you're talking to animals.

Loved animals as a little kid. I grew up in Kansas, and we had a creek in our backyard until I was, like, seven or something. And for as young as I can remember, I was back there catching crawdads, and, you know, we had box turtles were native to that area and snapping turtles and, you know, garter snakes, and yeah, I loved it, just always loved it. Would your parents say they encouraged you to put the snakes? Yeah, I was really lucky. Like, my parents definitely were encouraging of it.

They didn't have a problem with it. They'd let me take stuff home for a day or something, you know, like have a box turtle and try to feed it for a couple days and then put it back in the creek kind of a thing. So, yeah, it wasn't, yeah, there wasn't any issues there, luckily. That's a big thing, too. You're like rescue animals at a young age. I wouldn't call rescuing. It was just kind of actually capturing them, if anything to be totally honest.

Well, beating them a meal. Yeah, no, I'm trying to give them, like, a good, time but no yeah I mean it was it was a lot of fun I'll tell you that and how did you become so social media famous like you're you know so many followers for just a little because we're we're in an area that's not it's not LA we're out of outside of LA so I'm like wait you live out here like you work out here how how did that all start how did you become so famous um I like in 20 early 2016 do you remember board panda that knew it was like a it was like a huffington post they had like you know they'd online you know journalists or whatever yeah anyway they did a piece on me I'd like

10,000 followers and I was so excited it was like a gradual build to that I was like awesome thank you I don't know how or where they found me but when they did then all the other outlets did and then like things started just kind of climbing from there on the social media aspect um and then yeah I've done a lot of other you know media you know pertaining things since then wow that's so wild to me because that's what we were talking about I was just like how you've been able to like parlay that but your main thing you said you still work at a vet and you still to like take care of it. So someone can just walk in with like a sick dog and be like, can you help me? Totally. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so.

It is like, but you also travel so much and you do so much with like actual like wildlife as well. So how did like working in the veterinary clinic translate into like, you know, going to like Africa and working with like rhinos or different like huge wildlife as well? That was always a part of it. So when I was, uh, even before vet school, okay, I didn't know I wanted to be a vent until I was after my freshman year of college and I changed majors and followed that path and never look back. But around that time, I start doing volunteering locally at the Wildlife Rescue and undergrad. And every year I would just try to make at least, you know, make some time, like a couple weeks, just get out of the country, save enough money for a ticket

and just go really cheap, like staying in, you know, garbage hostels and eating canned food or whatever, but getting somewhere exotic, going to, you know, Southeast Asia or going to, you know, Central or South America or whatever. And anywhere I went, I would reach out to local wildlife rescues and just try to volunteer and help out. And so that was, yeah, since before. before vet school. So during vet school, I took all the wildlife electives I could and all the exotic electives electives I could and did also and volunteer, you know, and I would travel between, you know, years of vet school. And new, then I wanted that, I wanted that to be a big part of what I do as a veterinarian. Wow.

And then, yeah, I mean, when I started where, I've been working at the same place since I graduated. And after I graduated, like a three-month trip in Indonesia and Vietnam. And same kind of thing, like doing a lot of, like, wildlife kind of work. and getting out in the field, too, for selfish reasons. I mean, even working with these animals is selfish reasons. Like, I love doing it. I really do for myself. But it's a way I can, like, give back to the wildlife than I've appreciated all my life, you know.

But, yeah, I just love that stuff. Always been doing it since before a vet school. That is so cool. What's your favorite place you visited? Yeah, that's tough, man. I've got a couple. Okay, so Indonesia is so amazing for wildlife. They have just these wild tropical birds.

The reptiles are out of the same. world, like some of the craziest crocodilian species and snake species. They got Komodo dragons, you know, the biggest lizard species in the world. And you're just observing this in the wild? Yeah. Actually, I talked the guys into letting me stay on the island. That's not a typical thing. But I was like, can I just stay with you guys?

These, like, Rangers that just kind of take care of the island. They put me in this, like, one of their old shacks or whatever. And we had rats crawling on us at night. It was so funny. But, yeah, it was a total event. What do you mean? That place was so full of reptiles. So, I was there for like four days.

I got two, I caught two Javan spitting cobras. I saw multiple green tree vipers. The dragons are everywhere. And we're talking like, you know, total length like up to 10 feet. I mean, they're like, you know, 150, 200 pounds. Are they faster now?

If they want to be, they are. But these ones are very, just like the coyotes we were talking about, very habituated. They're very used to people. They're not skittish. You can walk right next to them and they're like, whatever. They're just like, they see tourists and people here and there,

so they don't mind it. They're in the monitor. family monitor lizards and they're really really intelligent reptiles wow what do they eat what do comodot dragons eat those guys are carnivores total carnivores so yeah there's actually a controversy as to whether or not they're venomous because if you get bit by one you're kind of the early you're you're gonna die basically oh god and you didn't care you were not scared no they're not they're when they bite um there's a couple things going on so when they bite it's because they're doing they're being predators it's not like a fear bite kind of a thing they know they're so

big and there's a very unique island like there's no other they are the apex predator there's no bears there there's no tigers there there's nothing else there so they're like the king of the hill they don't stress about any of the animals there and if anything the other animals are going to be their food whether it's the little uh they've got this little um i forget the name of this buffalo they got a deer species there they've got even some big big mammals right and these guys bite them but the thing is they're low to the ground and then they bite these guys low on the legs a lot of times and it's a nasty bite you can't see how big they teeth how big their teeth are just opening their mouth but if you pull the gums up a little bit they're really quite big and they're

very sharp and they can really create nasty deep lacerations and then these animals go in like little waterways and you know little creeks or whatever and they get septic so i think i don't think it's a venomous thing i think they get bitten it's a deep nasty bite and then it gets highly infected and then over the course of the next week or so you know they go yeah bad things happen and if they don't get consumed before then. Not to be, we're getting pretty dark, so sorry. I guess realistic, I guess. That's nature.

Nature's not pretty, yeah. Yeah, I guess that's the circle of life. Yeah. And has there ever been an animal experience where you were afraid, or are you pretty chill under? I mean, I respect when I work with animals and can be dangerous, right? Yeah. So I've been in, you know, I've had moments where it's like, this is getting dangerous.

You know, when I was very young, I would put myself in that situation and was like, oh, that was really dumb and things I wouldn't do today. And there's been other times where it's been as a veterinarian, like, you know, more relatively recent years, and it's just like, you know, this elephant's getting a little annoyed. He's getting a little, you know, angry. And like that can be dangerous real easily. Even if they're not superacting out, it's a big, you know, 15,000 pound elephant. I've had cases. I'd have given one where a jaguar started waking up earlier than we wanted to on sedation. And I had to do an oral exam on this guy because of what was going on. I had to look in the mouth. And so I did that when it was starting to kind of wake up. That was scary. Primates can be terrifying. They're the most unpredictable and they fight the dirtiest in a way. Like all these other animals, they've got these certain kind of kill shot methods, right? Like most of the big cats want to go for your neck or the back of your neck or something like that. Crocodiles, you see how they move.

They're very predictable. A monkey, you know, particularly like apes, like chimps, for example. I mean, they'll just go up. They'll bite your face off. They'll start chewing your fingers off. They'll rip off your genitals like they're like. Oh, the genitals of a human? Yeah, it's happened many times.

You talked to people who work with chimpanzees. They'll for sure know somebody or they'll know stories at least of that happening to people. You worked with, was it Dr. Jane Goodall? I just saw that you, because you posted about her and how did that happen? How did that? A new friend of mine that's become a friend since then reached out that works very closely with her. And then you guys got to do stuff with chimps. Yeah, well, yeah, we were in touch.

we were doing, I was trying to help, you know, promote Jane stuff, especially if she came to this area. And then, yeah, they were each other like, hey, we're doing a project. We're going to be in the Republic of the Congo. And we'd love to have you come out. And I was so lucky and just, that was just so special, like super full circle and got to work with you. Have you guys ever heard of a mandrel? Yes. Yeah.

Was it Rafi? Who's the, there's a character in Lion King. You remember the, you remember the, they see the one, the monkey that has the red and the blue face? And the pink butt. Yes. That's a mandrel. So I got to work with a big male mandrel. They're like a baboon, but way bigger and stronger and gnarly.

I mean, their canine teeth are like really, really like this long. Where was he? And he's native to Central Africa, the Republic of the Congo. Oh, I see. He's a wildlife guy. Yeah. So we were releasing him. We worked on a couple chimps there.

And some, there's some birds there. I'm trying to think what else. Mostly primates we were doing. We were doing some releases and stuff. Is there any place to ethically see these animals like an elephant? Like, I know they have like safaris in Africa out of those hotels to feed giraffes. Are those places to go or like not really? You know, that's unique.

There's some yes and no there, honestly. There are some places where you can actually have an encounter with an animal like that in a way that I don't think is a horrible thing. Listen, I'll say this, though, for the most part, by far, when there's animal encounter stuff promoted, especially outside the U.S., like when you're traveling if you're in Southeast Asia or even parts of Africa, it's most often not the best interest of the animals or even. in the species as a whole. Like, for example, like elephants in Southeast Asia. Have you guys ever heard of Fajan or, like, how they get these guys in the tourism industry? So this is kind of a heavy example, but they use these elephants for two reasons. One is for illegal logging, and the other is for tourism.

And so what they do is they'll find wild elephants. They'll kill the mother in front of the baby. They'll torture the baby for weeks on end, like physically and emotionally, just abuse it. And the goal is to break the spirit. That's actually what Fajan essentially translates to is breaking the spirit. And so they're turning them into robots. When you interact with these animals, you can tell, like, something's off. Like, they're not, their soul's not there.

Like, their soul got, like, taken from them because of the abuse, the endured. And they're, you know, every bit as emotionally intelligent as we are. They can experience any emotion we can experience, they can experience. And they go through this really horrible traumatic stuff. And it's, yeah. So if you see an elephant, you ever seen an elephant paint a picture for somebody? You ever see people going elephant rides in Southeast Asia?

If you're seeing that, that elephant's gone through this. And so, like, that's the gnarly thing too is these tourists, they probably like animals. That's why they're paying for this painting or paying for this ride. And they have no idea that they're actually supporting like one of the darkest industries in the wildlife world.

We've heard about it, but like, yeah, you never because everyone wants to do it, yeah. Yeah, I always try to just put that message out there. Just don't do it. I mean, for the most part, it's just not a great thing. Like I said, there's some exceptions here and there, but mostly a lot of that tours and with wildlife stuff is like, there's something sketchy. Same with zoos, you would say? No, I wouldn't say that, to be honest.

Really? Okay. Zoos is such a broad term. Yeah. Okay. Like, you could see a little crappy roadside zoo, and it's not a good place. It's not good for the animals. They're not doing anything for conservation.

They're maybe breeding ligers or something that have nothing to do with conservation. They're not doing anything to help these species in big picture. But then you go to other like established AZA-accredited high-quality zoos. They play a major part in wildlife conservation. Really? Oh, big time. Like San Diego? Perfect example.

Really? That's a great zoo. They do big things for species preservation. They educate the public. They, you know, get children exposed. People expose these animals. Most people, you know, they can't afford to go see them in Africa. Right.

And maybe some of those people might actually really care. And maybe you want to get back to these animals or help them in the future. They do big things, you know, they've got DNA banks where they're, you know, help, that's a big part of keeping these species alive. So it's, yeah, a good zoos play a truly significant role when it comes to wildlife conservation. But zoos, again, you can call yourself a zoo, but you might just be, you know, a, you know, tigers in a dog crate kind of a thing. Or SeaWorld. Yeah.

I mean, to be fair, sea world, you know, they do some things for conservation, too. Really? Yeah, they had got a bad rap with, what was it called? What was that? Oh, my God, that documentary, like 10-something years ago. Blackfish, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, they're not the worst, honestly. Like, that was a mess.

Like, that stuff's controversial. I'm not, like, crazy about going and capturing, you know, marine mammals and things and putting them in captivity. That's not, that's gnarly, but, like, it gets worse. Yeah. That's what's so scary. I think, like, all of that, like you said, like getting to know, because she loves to see the animals, and it's like, yeah, you never want to do anything that will hurt him.

Because you'll see what was the one that, like, the baby fell in the orangutan thing or something and they was going to attack them. Oh, the gorilla. Yeah, a gorilla, yeah. Time a few years ago. Yeah, and then everyone got, like, mad at the gorilla, but I was like, well, I mean, I guess in all fairness. The one they had to, the one they had to. Yeah.

No, that's. Yeah, it's like so sad. Which kind of goes to what your other work and that you wanted to talk about was the, this is something I just knew because of you, literally yesterday. I was like researching this and we were talking about it earlier today, is the rhino conservation. I'm so happy to hear that. Yeah, so, okay, well, this is something new because like I love. She literally just, she was reading it. she was like rhino conservation what is rhino conservation and then she did get it confused with

the conservatorship which is yeah not the same thing like the rhino conservatorship okay so what i thought was really interesting because again you think of like rhinoceros well i guess i never think of like the hunting of it all right i don't like you like so far removed from that world that i don't know people just go out and hunt for the fun of it sure um and i was like yeah and how and i'm like what okay so you trim down we can explain it better you trim down their horns because people hunt for their horns exactly so not to eat no nothing else, just the horn. So they just shoot them.

They shoot them, they kill them, they hack off the horn, and they're done, and that's it. And wherever the rhino was killed, it's left there, and its face is all hacked up. Wait, is this like legal? I guess hunting, I'm so confused. No, it's not legal. It's not legal. No, no, no, no, no. In fact, so these horns, so why are they hunting the horns, right?

Yeah. The horns are second to illegally mined diamonds, the most expensive thing on the black market, pound for pound. So they leave the country anywhere from 20 to 40 to 4. maybe up to $60,000 per kilogram of horn. So for every 2.2 pounds of horn, it's that much money just to sell it within or outside of the country, like directly on the borders of the country there. And its final destination, which is South East Asia,

primarily China, Vietnam, Laos, other Southeast Asian countries, that's where the demand is really. And they can be cost as much as anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000 per kilogram. So one rhino horn, which is just keratin, same material. You know, slightly different in terms of how dense it is and whatnot, but it's essentially the same as fingernails and hair. It's keratin, right? So that's why we call it a trim.

It's not even surgical. We're not going into living tissue. We're not, you know, working with any pleading vessels or anything like that. It's just, it's a trim. It's a fingernail trim. Yeah, one horn can be, you know, several kilograms, like a big horn. So that, like, a horn could be like upwards of a million dollars, right? So that's why they're getting poached, and that's why people are after them.

So it's also, it's not legal to sell the horn outside, to sell it from where the rhino was poached to outside another country. And so you trim it down because if they think it's like, they see that it's like shorter, they're just not going to kill it out. Exactly. And they still might out of spite. They might, you know, give you the finger and say, we're still going to, you know, screw you.

Or they're thinking, we don't want to spend resources and time and energy that we're tracking this rhino and then get up close and find out it doesn't have a horn. Just get rid of the dehorn ones. And so when you do dehorn somewhere, it is really, it's very ideal you just get all the rhino for that reason as well, not just to protect every single rhino, but it's proven to be by far the most protective method to conserve rhino. It doesn't matter how much money you can invest in security and everything else. If you trim the horns, it's a bummer we have to do it, but it's proven to be so successful compared to anything else. And how often are you doing that? Yeah.

We get to answer your question a year, year and a half, but ideally the, I mean, there's areas where. really we should be doing it every six months. It comes down to a budget and funding and just affordability thing. But ideally it'd be every six months, at least a year. How do people, how do you get the money for that? How do you like, do people donate? Yeah, so I like, I work with Rhino 911.

That's one organization that does it. Oh, lovely. Yeah, and so we fundraise. And then, I mean, part of that, we'll have people come out on the trips to say, hey, you want to have like the African Bush trip of a lifetime, get up close and personal, work with Rhino hands on and see what we do, come out.

And then they make a donation to help pay for, you know, the veterinary care and the drugs and just the people in the, field and all the things. I mean, it's a big project. It's quite a production where we do it. You have to get approval by the government and everything. And we have to keep it super hush-hush

because there's a lot of these poachings are inside jobs and as people that work in these parks. Because we'll see poachings in these obscure parts of a park. And it's like, how do they even know? Oh, somebody knew where that rhino was, somebody that works in the park. Yeah, it's a gnarly industry. It's really dirty. What is the value of these horn?

Why are they so much? Because it's not like a kidney. Like you can't like someone's body. Right. No, it's, so they'll say it's traditional Chinese medicine. As far as I understand, it's technically not, if you actually look at authentic, old, like, you know, thousands-year-old traditional Chinese medicine. They'll say, yeah, it can help with improved libido. Or, like, for example, like impotence is, like, a big reason, one of the biggest medical reasons they use it.

They say it can cure the flu. I think, I want to say, I hope I'm not wrong, but I think one of the Vietnamese, like prime ministers or somebody in authority there said it cured as can. or this rhino horn i see so and then so that was like the big push at first was medical reasons yeah these days it's more ornamental slash uh social it's just saying like yeah it's like it's like diamond it's like just showing your bling but it's a rhino horn you got a rhino horn cup or an ornament or a figure or bracelet or whatever it is or a whole horn whatever you know whatever you want to call it yeah um yeah it's just to show kind of just show your wealth or whatnot but the thing is with the medical stuff they'll cut in the drugs too so you got a fever you take some ryan

horn. They cut an ibuprofen in the back, something like that. And they're like, that really helps. Or an impotence thing. They'll put in Viagra. And the guy, that, no, that horn, that worked. That worked. And they're like, you know, the people sign. So, yeah, but they pay a lot of money for it. They pay a lot of money for it. And it's been very destructive to our rhino. I mean, the population, you know, for example, with a black rhino, those are like highly, those are the most endangered rhino on the African continent. And a hundred years ago, or I think it's in 1960s, actually, yeah, 80 years ago. So I think we had like 100,000 black rhino.

Now we have like, I don't know, maybe three or so, thousand. Three thousand, not three, but three thousand. Oh, my, but still. So they're going to become extinct one day. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the Asian species, they're not far from there. They're like Sumachian rhino and Indian rhino. And they're like, I mean, but they're less than a hundred, you know.

Maybe in the hundreds for one of those species. But, yeah, we're talking just like 60 of them or something, you know. Oh, my gosh. How did you get involved in it? One of their people reached out to me initially, to be honest, like, hey, we'd love to show you what we do. I have my Instagram and my outreach was was bigger at the time and they wanted to get more outreach. And then I just like that world is such a different world in conservation. I fell in love with it for that reason. And it's not just because of the rhino, which obviously

is a big part of it, but it's people. Because if you work in that world, it's not like conservation in other parts of the world because it's like these people, they've been the, they put their lives on the line. If you come across a poacher, you might be in a firefight. Like it's big money going behind it. And so they take big risks. And that means they'll do big things that you have to be careful of when you're getting in that field. I mean, it's the poaching war is a war in Africa. You know, I mean, more people have died in Africa dealing with poaching and anti-poaching or whatnot than Americans did in, you know, the war in Iraq, for example. Like it's, it's been several thousands over the last decade or decade and a half. Like it's, yeah, you have to go security then,

I guess, probably. Yeah, I mean, you got to be smart too. I mean, we don't, we don't, we don't have security technically, you know, we don't. We just, like, try to be intelligent about when and where we go and how we go about it. I mean, that is, that is amazing what you're doing. It's wild. Should we get into those animals? Yeah. Okay.

Oscar, this is your saying, I'm going to take it over. I didn't know. This was the surprise, and I didn't know what's a surprise. Okay. All right. So, go ahead. Matt from Reptile family, who is another local friend is bringing some of his critters. Yeah.

Are you local, too? Yes. I love that. Yeah, super local. Wow. Okay, well let's take it easy here. Wow. So you have these in your, you have not this, this species, obviously. Like it's all black. It's all black. Can you see the red knees? Okay. I don't know if we have red knees in ours. Now we see these a lot of places. Oh, the ones you guys have is all black. Yeah, of course. Yeah, okay. So this one is, now is this poisonous? Uh, venomous, but mildly. There's no tarantial that actually is dangerously venomous. Okay. Yeah, like if you get bit by one, it's not going to feel great. And they do have big fangs. Like, it's going to. It's going to feel great. And they do have big fangs. Like, it's going to. It's going to. It's going to. It's It's going to be not fun for a few hours, but none of them can kill you, really.

Have you been bit? Not by tarantula. Okay. And what's the benefit of a tarantula? They play their role, just like any animal does, ecologically speaking. I mean, yeah, they're part of that. These guys are pretty ground-dwelling. They just kind of hide out in holes.

I guess you could pretty much call them an ambush predator, essentially, and they just kind of wait for things that come across them, and they'll just basically grab them and eat them up. Like a bug? Yeah, I mean, some trans-have you ever heard of a bird-eating tarantula? No, it's birds? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, can eat like little birds.

I mean, even like small terranes. This guy, he could eat a small lizard, no problem. Where's it go to? What's that? Where does it go to? I don't see any fat. Like, where does he put it? This is the abdomen.

But it's a... This little area here, that's his abdomen. And a lizard is in there? This is a thorax. How do they digest the hazard? His G.I. tract would be in there. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. We're talking to a small lizard. Like, you know, imagine a very small lizard. It's smaller than other insects you've seen, for example. Like, a lot of lizard, even the native of species around here would, when you see like a real newborn little baby, it's only, you know, a couple inches maybe. Okay, all right.

You know, if that, yeah. What about the bullfrogs? We have a lot of bullfrogs. We always hear the bullfrogs at night. If the guy, this guy, he'd be eating like a tapo or a tiny bullfrog. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Well, they're pretty cute.

A bullfrog would eat him, to be honest. Bullfrogs have big mouths, and anything they can fit in that mouth is potential food. Okay. Yeah. Oh, man. This is a very mellow, very mellow, tarantial. You can see how she's moving. She's not, like, you know, postured up.

She's relaxed? Yeah, she's pretty chill. I mean, tarantulas are a little bit harder to read than some other animals you might work with, but yeah, she's pretty easy going. You saw it when Matt pushed her on in my hand, she was very mellow about it. Would you like to hold her? Have you ever held a tarantula? I've never held a tarantula. I think you should.

Okay, are you sure? Absolutely. Okay. Should I be calm? Yeah, you are calm. Okay, all right. You're good. Just hold your hand out, like, palm up like this.

I'm going to just kind of gently, are you, just kind of gently, are you? Are you sure? Are you sure? Yeah, she's already, yeah, she's already feeling for it. So I'm just going to gently just kind of get her little feet. There she goes. Yeah. Okay.

So you can see her fangs. You see those two little nubbing projections in front of her face? Yeah. Is she okay? She's kind of in there. She's great. Yeah. She's moving slowly on you.

She's not stressed. She's feeling things out. She's smelling you. She's looking around. That's a very mellow tarantula. She looks great. She's like, I'm at home. She can be here.

We have plenty of them in our garden. You told me you weren't comfortable with Anna. You look pretty, like, you, yeah, most people, if you put it, they're like, they're having a little panic attacks and they're shaking and you're like, I'm trying to be better. We rescue spiders in this house, you know. I'm so happy to hear that. Yes, we do not, right?

We see a spider and we take them outside. I love that. I do the same. They need to be outside with their people. They got to be out with their people. Oh my gosh. What's her name? Putting is Ruby.

Ruby. Wow. Is she okay? She's great. She's just checking things out. All right, Ruby. Well, you are absolutely beautiful. Yeah, I'm a big fan.

I think I like true. tarantulas. All right. He's moving. I don't want her to fall. You know what? You's, just tap her little back feet. Where's the feet? The little part of the back leg. No, no, no, no. These part, yeah. Wow. Give her a little tap on that one there. Okay, that's go. Wow, there we go. Wow. What a star. She's such a good investor. So this is like a perfect animal for like if you were doing sorry, this is a perfect animal for like educational experiences with children. Yeah? And that's So to me, that is so important to get kids exposed animals just for them to be comfortable with them and maybe even get them passionate about them.

And, you know, animals might play a big part of their lives later on for some of these kids. But the more you expose them at these younger ages, it plays such, it can play such a big role in their life. A lot of times it's things they'll never forget. Especially spiders because I was always talking to be scared of spiders and snakes and I feel like we're trying to make her, like, you know, be one with them. Oh, my gosh. Well, this was a, this was beautiful. Okay. What are we, what do we have next?

We love her. Thank you. Have you guys known each other before? No. No, first time meeting. Did you were people sexy as vet? Is that what I heard? Yeah.

When did that happen? The first time was 2014. Oh, multiple times? Three times. Whoa. And they just find you? Yeah, I'd never found out. You didn't have the campaign or lobby or anything.

I didn't. I honestly, I was like, how did you guys? I had no idea. Wow. I was making some educational YouTube. I mean, I didn't have a following or a platform or anything. Wow. Dancing with the Star is next.

I can see you on there. They actually did reach out, and then they ended up going with somebody else. It was like a few years ago. Did you say yes? I was open to it, but then they just ended up. It just didn't happen. You and me next season. You and me next season. I'm so excited.

Okay. Wow. So this is a carpet python. Also another amazing ambassador, and she's got some eardescence. This is a pretty snake. Have you ever heard of eardescence before? You ever heard that term? I mean, I know eardescence, like color nails and stuff.

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, same thing. So if you look at the sheen, how the light hits her scales, it almost kind of has like a rainbow effect in a way. Do you see that in certain lights? Yes, yes. It's subtle. Even her tongue is a little ear-decent. But she does have a little bit there. Yeah, so this is a Carpet Python. These guys are native to Australia, like tropical Australia. Okay. What's the tongue mean when they do that?

They're smelling. And so the tongue also, do you notice how it's forked? It has two little, it's codes into two little projections at the end. Do you see that? Yes. You'll see it goes two ways, right? So every time they're sticking their tongue out, they're then bringing it back to their vomero nasal organ, also called a Jacobson's Zordigan. What they're doing is they're bringing that smell back in to see what they can taste and how they can learn about their environment that way. They're smelling. And the reason they've got two parts, then the tongue goes in two directions is now they can compare both sides. And so if on

the left spike, it's a little more than the right spike, it's something they're interested in, for example, whether it's pheromones from another snake or it's a potential food item, they'll go that direction. So it kind of helps them navigate, essentially. Yeah. And she's, have you had a snake before um not like this not like this no I had one once around me but it was placed on me okay I don't know you don't have to you you don't have to you come over here you don't you should this is a beautiful this is a this is a special snake this is like but how how do I because I don't want to jump you're not jumping you're being great I'm going to kind of set her on your arm just bring your hand out but where's the where's the face go it goes wherever it goes but

she's this is a very I wouldn't put like a gnarly aggressive snappy snake on you okay this is a very mellow snake. Okay, where do I hold her? Just like that. Yeah, that's it. Actually, I'm just going to get the rest of her on you here. So you can say I officially completely held a snake all by myself. Yeah, your left hand under that, your right hand. Perfect, right there. I'm going to redirect her head your way once you got her. Are you sure? Yeah, 100%. This is a mellow snake. This is a very mellow snake. When a snake is just casually exploring like this, they're not backing away from you. I mean, listen, if she wasn't, she would be looking at you, and she would be opening her mouth, and she'd be trying to strike.

I mean, trust me, she's, I can assure you, this is a very chill. This is a great ambassador, educational ambassador. This is a kind of snake you want people to get introduced to. This is a kind of snake that warns people up to snakes. It might even change your opinion about snakes. She's a beautiful snake. My husband is a snake in the Chinese zodiac, because it was my son Aquaman. Oh, right on.

We love a snake shedding, shedding negativity, shedding everything. for the year of the horse. Okay. Yeah. We love. Do you love this name? So you want to see something cool? Yes, I would love.

I want you to look at, and I try to redirect your head. I want you to look at her upper lip and look at those kind of vertical slits going down her upper lip. Do you see those slits on the top lip? Those sense infrared heat. So it's like a sixth sense.

She can actually sense a heat signature. She can sense warmth coming off of something. Like inner warmth or hotness? Like actual warmth? I'm hot as I am sweaty at the moment. Yeah, so like she would sense that off of like your hands, for example, compared to your sweatshirt. She would be able to sense that.

And it's like, like I said, it's like another sense for them. Well, for them might be, you might call it a fifth sense because they don't exactly have hearing. They can feel vibrations, so they can kind of hear in a sense, if you will, but they kind of, they don't have ears. Yeah. Okay, if you look at a snake, look at the side of the head, you don't see an ear drum or anything.

We'll plot, we'll have a lizard here, and I'll show you the ear drum on a lizard. And you're not. not going to see that on a snake. The snake is beautiful. And she, look at that pattern. Isn't that just stunning? I mean, she's a really good ambassador of her species and of snakes in general. Well, I think we should also do a PSA to stop killing the snakes, right?

No snake boots, no snake versus. It's beautiful, but I think you should leave them on. I mean, those guys are coming from farms, but even just in your backyard. I mean, people have this fear of snakes where they can't distinguish from a venomous snake or not. I'm not even saying you should necessarily kill venomous snakes in you are, but people just don't like snakes. don't like snakes and they just don't understand them they fear them my heart i feel like i have a soft spot for a lot of these misunderstood animals like snakes and sharks and spiders and rats and things

like these are really neat animals and they have their role you know where they're native to and the ecosystems and you know how they play a part in nature oh my goodness that's that's pretty he's pretty cute i'm not going to lie it's a beautiful snake or she sorry she he they what's the pronouns i would actually call this a female you think is it is a boy doesn't matter I'll tell you why I think it's a female, perhaps, okay? With males, this, okay, do you see this, that little... Yes. That's called the vent, okay?

Everything that leaves her body is kind of, not including like she pukes or something, but everything that would otherwise leave your body from the urinary tract, the reproductive tract, or the GI tract comes out of that one hole. Okay, that's called the vent. This is her tail. This is essentially where a snake's tail is. People, you know, might not know snakes and might think the tail is everything past the head. It's a big long tail, right?

No. She's got all the same organs pretty much as us, for the most part. And all those organs are in her body. And then this is actual tail. And that's where everything leaves the body. And with a female snake, what you'll see is... Yeah, I'm going to just bring this out. With male snakes, they have hemipines.

You ever heard of hemipine? No. It's essentially like two penises. Okay, okay. Yeah, so you get the right idea. So they have two of them. And all they do is function for reproductive purposes. They don't urinate through them.

It's literally just reproductive. So snakes and lizards are in the squamate family. Male with female. What if it's a gay snake? You can't just have sex for fun? I don't know. Okay. I can't speak on that.

I'm not sure, honestly. But yeah, with the males, all I'm getting at is males have hemipines, and they start at the vent and then kind of track codily, meaning towards the end of the tail. And that usually with males, or with females, if you get to the vent and you see the tail, like noticeably skinnier compared to the body

on the other side of the vent. Do you see how it kind of tapers? Do you see how it gets a little bit skinnier there? Yes. That tells me it might be female. Sometimes you can kind of palpate there and see the vents. Actually, this is something we should talk about.

What? This is very cool. And you don't see this on most snakes species, really just on pythons. Do you see that little claw? Oh, yeah. It's actually like a little toe with a claw, right? Wow.

And that's exactly right. That's a vestigial appendage. So what that means is snakes evolve from lizards. That's where all snakes are from. They branch off from lizards. And so this is essentially just a remnant of what this animal used to be essentially or what the snakes used to be. And you only see that really in pythons.

Wow, look at it. Do you see it, like, weaving around the chair? Yeah, she's very strong. So these guys technically are spending more time on the ground, but they can still be very effective on branches and being arboreal, meaning, you know, climbing around trees and branches and whatnot. That's amazing.

I'm going to have a fear. This snake is going to get left in here. No, no, no, no. I mean, not a fear. We love it. If she does, my husband takes a snake, he'll handle a snake, no problem. He picks snakes up in the garden all the time. Like, you can not do that.

I mean, the only snake that you wouldn't want to pick up by hands a rattlesnake. And you can so quickly distinguish them. Yeah, you see a rattle. You hear a rattle. I mean, the head shape, I mean, but you don't have to be an expert to see. That's a rattlesnake. And if it's not a rattle snake. I just leave it alone.

You don't run. Yeah. Yeah. If you see a rattlesnake, let me know in your property. I'll take it off for you myself. Yeah, call. Oh, you will. You're going to come get it. I'd be happy to. Okay, that's crazy, but. Yeah. But if it's not a rattlesnake, you have got nothing to worry about. Nothing. I'm not speaking for everywhere in the world. Yeah. I'm just saying if you live in Southern California and you see a snake, then it's not a rattlesnake, it can't hurt you or anything that you would be worried about. Good to know. Yeah. All right, little snake. You did a great job.

You have a special snake. She's beautiful. Yeah, you have a great. animals. He's got great animals. All of them are awesome ambassadors of their species. As a species they're all great for education. They're super calm. They're super cool. Not all reptiles are like that. Right.

I work with some. I mean, you work with some reptiles, especially like wildlife reptiles. Some of them can be chill, but some of them can be not chill. Yeah, it's not like, yeah, just because you don't, you held that snake, but I don't want you to think like, oh, if I go pick out some snake is going to chill. I got to be on. I've picked up wild snakes and they're pretty mellow. Like you just don't know, but some of them are not.

I'm not about that life. They're about that life. They'll go do the snakes. Oh my gosh. There's a beautiful one. Look at this. Kind of take her at the chest. Yeah, perfect.

What is this one? This is a red tag. Is this a crocodile? No, this is a lizard species. Oh, we talked about this. Can you see this little, that little kind of clear-ish thing? That's a tympanum or the eardrum. Same thing.

We have a tympanum in our, we have ear drums. They've got ear drums. This one is crawling. So this one's a little busier, and she's trying to kind of get somewhere. She's swimming. There's a Mexican red tag, these guys are native to, you know, southern North America. Mexico, hi, busy one. So she's not showing that she's aggressive.

Right, she's just kind of on the move. I don't know if she's uncomfortable. I'm going to just re-position to see if I get her chill out of the supporter. Okay. There it is. Wow. There we go. Okay, animal whisper.

A vet, actually. Doctor. Yeah, with lizards for the most part, if you handle kind of their shoulder girdle and they're like their hip area, that's your best bet. They're not necessarily definitely going to calm down, but that's going to support them the best. You know, if they're long, you don't want to leave their back hanging, but you just kind of support

along their body like that. That's going to be your best bet. Wow. Yeah, these guys are beautiful, right? So this is one of the bigger lizards you're going to see on this side of the world. Wait, where are they from? Where do they originate? They're Mexican. Yeah, it's like southern North America, basically. Oh, you think he's just, like, walked up here?

I think it was probably born in captivity if I had to guess. yeah a lot of like the like species like this that you see are like you know ball pythons or bearded dragons or leopard geckos uh these more common reptiles they've been bred in captivity for a while so they're not you know a lot of reptiles are taken from the wild don't get me wrong and a lot of the different species you see in captivity originated from that kind of a thing obviously um but yeah these guys i don't know for sure but that's what i would assume yeah most likely this was a in a carver box to the vet's office in Thousand Oaks.

Nice, okay. Wow. 20 years ago. Yeah. They called and said, hey, we have a lizard in a box this morning. Isn't that cool? She's almost 20 years old. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, some of these lizards and snakes. The last snake we saw was 20 years old, right? 18, yeah. Yeah, late teens, yeah. Wow. I've got a lizard that's 30 years old. Oh, how long do they live? I mean, I don't see many than are in their 40s.

So these are old reptiles. I mean, these guys look great. I don't, you know, you take good care of them, they could easily, you know, she could easily live another, another 10 or so years, I would guess. I don't know the oldest Tegu, to be honest. So we were talking about Komoda Dragons. Mm-hmm. These guys have an evolution, they kind of branch off, evolutionarily speaking, from monitor lizards. And it's these guys, Tegu's.

Have you ever heard of a Gila monster? No. Heel monsters and Varanids, which are Komoda dragons are varanid. veranidae which means monitor lizard these are old world meaning African and Asian but they all have civil they come from the same branch evolutionarily speaking they kind of all denote from the same ancestor there and this is this this kind of is like the new world version of a of a commota dragon they're a little bit more omnivorous yeah to a degree compared to

monitor lizards all but one are carnivores there's one exception but otherwise they're carnivores a lot smaller than a 10-foot Komoto yeah yeah I mean that is the biggest lizard on the planet is the Komodo dragon by far. Could you run this 10 feet? Yeah. Oh my god. I've seen a red tag would get a little bigger than this, a little thicker than this,

like the boys, they can get a little bit longer. But I mean, this is a pretty good size animal. She's got a good body condition. She's beautiful and you wouldn't know it because she's so mel. And she'll stick out her tongue too and she'll kind of smell. Yeah, see that nice long tongue. Also forked. You see it's got two directions.

Not super common amongst lizards. I mean, a lot of little geckos and things will, and the monitor lizards will. as well, but it's, this is one of the few lizard species that do this kind of tongue sticking out, tasting the air kind of a thing. But yeah, these guys also, believe it or not, they've got a nasty little bite. Their teeth are much longer than they look, just looking at the gums, and all this, this, I mean, part of its skull, like right around here, but like this and this, that's muscle for that bite, and it's a bite. It's really a bite. That one is, I believe it. This one looks a little crocodile-y to me, a little alligator-y.

Yeah. But are they okay to be around, crocodiles, alligators? No, run if you see them. Don't run or run. What do you do? I mean, I'm the kind of person where I want to go see them, so I'm trying to get in and see crocodiles and alligators. They're the same.

I mean, listen, they're parts of the world where there are crocodiles of a size or even alligators technically that could be man eaters. I mean, like, you are, they see you and you're food, your potential food. That's like the only reptile that I can think of where it's like, no, you could be on my menu. Like, I would eat you. And they can, and they do in some parts of the world. But this is, yeah, even like, even the American alligator,

they have to be pretty big. And they do bite on people, and people have gotten pretty injured from them. They'll get me wrong. But we're talking more like Saltwater Crocodiles, Nile Crocodiles in Africa. The Saltwater Crocodiles are in Australia, like the Carpet Python we saw, and some of the bigger species. But they're very skittish in general. I've been, shoot, I've seen, I think, more than half of the species of crocs and gaiters

and Kamens and garrials, you know, all the things in the crocodile family, I bet I've seen have more than half the species that are native to the world, and every one of them is skittish. Yeah. The only one that's ever made kind of an aggressive move wasn't because they thought I was food, but it was a mama. And their crocodiles are unique in the reptile world as parents, particularly the females. They'll take care of their babies. They'll look after their babies, and they're like a safe haven for their first year, a couple years.

otherwise for the most part reptiles when they're born whether it's from an egg or they're born you know just as a little animal that pops out they're like a miniature version of an adult so they have the instinct and the pre-wiring to survive on their own fine food fine resources fine habitat everything and just function they don't have caretakers or parents or moms or anything wow yeah independent queens this one is amazing this one loves you she's sleeping she'll all sleep yeah reptiles sometimes especially tag is a monitor Sometimes they just do this. Like, I don't, she's not sleeping.

I don't think she's going to sleep like this. She's calm. She's not stressed. She's like, she's chilling. Like, you can see, she's, she's comfortable. But I think it's like, I think it's like an awkward, like, they just, they're just kind of like dealing with it. They're just like, okay, we're hanging out. I mean, if you have, these guys as a pet and they know you, and they would know you individually,

you as a person versus somebody else if it's your pet. They'll chill with you, but it's more I think to, for other, it's not because they want to cuddle. it's because they want the warmth or something. Like I said, these guys are mostly when they're born. They're like a little adult. They don't have any motivation to be social. There's no need to be social because why are other animals social? Like dogs, for example, which are native, you know, come from wolves or you think about anything in that family.

You want to be social because you hunt together. You groom each other. You look out for each other. You do all these things where we like to cuddle as, you know, beings because we want to be with these other animals because they're part of how we survive in the wild with reptiles. For the most part, that's pretty much not the thing. case. I mean, there's some things like alligators and maybe some crocodiles might do certain kind of hunting techniques in the water together. I forget what it's called. Matt, do you recall

what that's called when you got alligators lined up across the waterway? And they got their mat. There's a term for it. I'm forgetting it right now. But there's certain areas you might see all lined up in an area. And they're kind of, they're all benefiting from being there. So they're working together socially and they're hunting. And when they're all lined up, anything swimming through, it's hard to avoid. So they're going to eat better as opposed to just one on its own trying to swim on both sides of a running waterway.

Working as a team. Would you ever do your own... Have you done your own TV show? Yeah. Oh, you have? Evan Goes Wild. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Wait, when did that air? I didn't even see that. I was researching you. I didn't see that. Oh, so recent. Yeah, kind of recent, yeah. Would you do more TV?

I'd love to, yeah. No, we had a blast. Like, we didn't get a second season because animal planets, higher-ups change, you know, they change often and they want. They want new content and new stuff. They want it to be their baby, and they don't, you know. And also it was a budget thing, too. It was a very expensive show. And they were having every bit as much success with other shows that were much cheaper, other new shows.

So they're like, you know, this just makes more sense from a business perspective, which I understand. We need you back on it. Yeah, and I loved it. I was like a dream come true. I, like, ever since 2006, I was, like, so inspired by, like, Steve Irwin and Jeff Corwin. And these guys, and, like, you know, they promoted wildlife conservation in a way more than anybody else. Game Goodalls up there, too, obviously. She didn't have a show about it, you know what I mean, but in terms of her outreach.

But I was like, you know what, I want to do that, but also be able to help individual animals as a veterinarian. Like I can promote, you know, the conservation side and the wildlife as a whole. But I can also go, you know, vet on and, you know, try to heal and work with, you know, individual animals that might need it. And that was such a good show, too, like the emergency room shows, but, like, vet emergencies. Yeah, right. You know, because people would love to see, like, you bring, like, an animal back to life for healing an animal. No, some of those can be really successful. Yeah, no, those can be really fun, too.

the in practice shows she's super mal this is again another awesome you have such good ambassador pet like a critters here I mean she's such a good educational animal you can hold her have you ever held a lizard this big nope should I try are you sure she's okay with it okay just you're just gonna support her just kind of again under the shoulders under the hips just like that you can even put her belly on your lap a little bit and she'll come more under her hips like here this area yeah yeah yeah just kind of open your hand up a little I'm just gonna help.

Yeah, help me. Go ahead. Come like right here. Kind of support her. There you go. Kind of try to straighten her up and get under her shoulders there. Keep her flat. Like a baby.

Okay. So not like a baby. Yeah, you can even, yeah, I think Matt's right. You can kind of bring her in a little bit more and like support, like kind of hold her like this a little bit more. Okay, maybe. I'm gonna show you here. Let me see. I do a great job.

I want to, but I'm so bad. Just if you hold her against your body here. Okay. She's fine. Okay. Yeah, there she goes. Wow. a little forward a little bit.

This hand? Yeah, your right hand, sorry. Okay. Yeah, there you go. Wow. Chillon. There's she is. It's total natural.

I never even held dogs. I would not have guessed that you're like. Scared of animals. No, you're still really comfortable. You're not showing any to, not outward signs that seem obvious to me. You seem very like open to everything. I think because we're here, since we moved here about five years ago in the mountains,

I really do see the coyotes on my walk. And I feel like, if they understand me, I'm like, can we just go away from each other? Like, yes. I feel like I've talked to animals on hallucinogens before, so I really do feel like they can speak to us just in a different dimension. Like dogs and cats? Yeah.

Have you? I mean, have you spoken to dogs? I mean, when I speak to animals, if you will, it's just like body language. And there's, you can say, they don't speak English, but they say a lot. Yeah, they sound like sirens. Where's their tail? How are they, you know, even their eyes, their face expression. I mean, you can see so, as soon as I walk into an exam room, for example,

I can tell within less than a second, is this dog going to be approachable? or not you know you can just tell you can just see things yeah you read body language so they do say a lot and they're very honest they're not they're not lying about it or being fake like whatever they're exhibiting that's how they're feeling yeah that's what we like animals they're honest and real yes exactly i like humans so i'm trying to get more on the animal route yeah no that's good for everyone she's so cute didn't she go her chubby little legs too i love that oh my gosh yeah is this camera let me do this camera hi let's do a picture here Oh my gosh

She's so beautiful Can people just come see these animals at your place Or not Rick Cal family? We do a lot of education So we'll see outreach So he's going to school As a birthday parties You're doing things where people

They want to have good animal ambassadors He brings him, yeah Yeah, he's great for that These are such good animals Everything he's brought out And we saw a lot more animals Than what we're going to have here I mean every single one of them

Is a great ambassador They're going to be good around kids They're going to be good they're used to this stuff, they're comfortable with new people. My husband was so excited to see me holding this. Cheese. I know I went in Malibu to see me hold this. No, because like I, yeah, animals in general I used to be really squeamish with.

But here, even bees. You're total natural. Thank you. You really are. Honestly, you're like, you're good for it. We save the bees here too. I love that. Yeah, we've been putting water away from our pool, so we pull buckets of water up high.

Nice. So they go to that instead of us because we're like these bees were everywhere. Oh, they love the little petals and stuff. Yeah, so we've been trying to save them. We're just, you know, really trying to save all the animals out here. Oh, there it is. Yes. Oh, my God.

He's so cute. She's so cute. It's so cute. Oh, my gosh. I love their little neck, too. They've got these big fat kind of du laps or something. They're just these big chubby necks here. So chow.

Yeah. They're very jolly. The males are really, you get a Mexican Red Tegu boy, and she's like, boom, boo, boo. Jows. And the bigger, the better. It's like, yeah, I guess it's equivalent to jawline. Sexy's lizard life. The people right here.

I love it. Totally. Yeah. I'm telling you, that snake is very chill. That tranchele's just chill. Yeah. Yeah, the tarantulas, yeah, I'm also one with the tarantulas and all of that. So it's been wonderful.

Is that all the animals? Or we have a turtle. Are we, should we, are we done with the turtle? Wow. Wow. Not the tortoise. Yes. Okay, so.

The tortoise. Is this the tortoise? Is this the tortoise. This is a sorcotta tortoise. Both. The celery is fine. We can start with that. Okay.

Take some carrots, too. Thank you. Wow. You want this? You hear that little grunt? Yeah, what does that mean? She's just breathing. And she was exerting a little bit.

Wow. She's not doing it now. We might have better luck if we have her on the ground, but... Our kids went crazy. Our 18-month-old, so excited for these turtles. She had no fear. You're like, watch out. Might run her over, which is slow.

The kids have fear with animals is when the parents do. Yes. That's where it comes from. Honestly, like, I've seen. I can't tell you how many times I've seen, like, the parents are afraid. Kids are hiding behind the parents. They're like, oh, my parents freaked out. And they're wired to be that way.

Like, a kid should be scared if their parents scared. That makes sense. But then I'm like, no, like, give it a try, like, touch it. And then I've seen where, like, kids are, you know, hiding behind their parents to being like, oh, I want to have a snake. I want to have a pet snake. Yeah. You can change your opinion right there.

Yeah. You do it at a young formative age. You can make a real difference, you know? You get them more excited. But yeah, this is a big female. This is the third largest tortoise species in the world. this species called the Sokata or African spyrrothide tortoise. And, yeah, have you ever seen a Galapagos tortoise?

Those big guys have, like San Diego, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the biggest one. But these guys get pretty big. Boys get even bigger. I've worked with males that are, like, pushing 150 pounds. I mean, she's got to be pushing 40 or so. Yeah, yeah.

Skinny legend over here. She's a good size. I mean, she could easily get another, you know, put on another 20 or 30 pounds over the years. It's slow growth, slow and steady growth with these guys. How do they gain weight? Would I just eating carrots and celery? Well, I mean, the bulk of their diet is actually grass and hay, which are even less nutritious.

Yeah, so these guys have a very similar digestive track to horses, to rabbits, skinny pigs, gorillas, even. And they're grazers. They eat grass and hay, which has very low nutritional value. I mean, for us, it would do nothing for us, digestively speaking. They've got this big fermentation van. Their large intestines called a cecum. And basically, it's full of these really important beneficial. bacteria that are like crucial for their livelihood and what they do is they break down the grass

and the hay and they reconstitute it essentially into digestible macronutrients so they break it down reconstituted into digestible proteins carbohydrates and fats like what dogs or cats or us what we eat directly they've got to turn grass and hay into that because they still need those same you know macro nutrients they still need they still have you know similar energy sources but they get it through this kind of roundabout way with this complicated GI tract um Yeah, and it's, yeah, that's kind of how they operate, but they, they like, yeah, 70, 80% grass and hay, 20, 30% leafy greens, throwing some veggies here and there. They love fruit. I don't want them eating a ton of fruit, but I don't mind if it's 5% or less of their diet, but you put berries in front of a tortoise.

Oh, they're into it. It's like their sugar. One of my favorite clients around here. Yeah, they taste the sweetness. They like it. One of my favorite clients is like, I haven't seen her for a minute, but she was, I mean, she was in her 80s last time I saw her. She has a huge male. this boy's over 100 pounds like there's no way she's picking him up yeah and she came in and he had

gotten out recently and I'm like how the heck did you get him back into your yard and so what she does is she grabs strawberries and just does a strawberry and he just walks back and eat strawberries and just walks back all on his own back to her yard and I just thought how funny would that be to see like at some 80-something year old woman and this huge tortoise and you're just dropping strawberries every like she knows she knows how to get him back she does this is another very mellow animal you can see how She's chill. She's just sitting here. The fact that she has her head out, any Chaloney, which is a tortoise or

a turtle, if they have their head out, they're not super stressed. Wow. She was more stressed. She probably tuck in and go into her safe space. Really? Yeah, so the fact she has her head out, she has her arms out, you can touch them, she's chill. Yeah, they weren't great. Yeah, sorry, I wanted to show you

something back here. This is why we call them a spur-thi tortoise. See that? That's just, it's keratin, similar to rhino horn, right? But it's like a specialized scale. I don't know if the camera can see it. But it's a special little spiky scales. They got a couple on each thigh.

It's something I love about these guys. What does this foot kind of remind you of? If you were, just don't think reptiles. Think mammals, big mammals. Exactly. They got these little elephant feet. So these guys are terrestrial. If you look at turtle feet, they're more, they've got webbed toes.

They're more flat. They're better for paddling and swimming. These guys are terrestrial. So they dig, they live on land and they're on, they don't really, they're going like little waterways, but they're not swimming in the water per se. That's why turtles are more flattened, they're more streamlined for

swimming in water. These guys are interesting as a animal to work with as a veterinarian, and I say that because they're on the more challenging side and when it comes to anesthesia or sedation. The dose range can vary so much from one individual to the next.

And so it's the kind of thing where it can take hours just to get the animal you know knock down just to be able to work on it it can be like a all-day affair it's pretty small for that you would think no but yeah but you do well you don't want to overdo it but you want to have enough so you kind of have to titrate essentially and some of them go down nicely and other ones like oh my god this still we gotta give them we gotta give them more we gotta give them more and another thing when working with them that can they can actually be dangerous including a tortoises size if this is a

really fearful tortoise and it came out for a second you tried to grab like under it shell like here or here or the back legs they can actually break your fingers when they're bringing their legs back in. They are so strong. Like, their digging strength is out of this world. And we were talking earlier, Matt was talking about what a pain in the butt they can be. These guys, they walk through drywall.

They'll walk through sliding glass doors. They'll move swing sets across the yard. I mean, they can be a real pain in the butt. I actually, I don't recommend them in general as a pet because they get so big, they need so much space and they can be kind of a handful. Like, one of my favorites is a pet, especially if you live around here,

is a California Desert tortoise. They don't get too big. They're not delicate little things. but they're not too destructive they're really sweet they're native to the area they do really well I think the little Russian tortoises are great too

the size of that is that what there yeah Asian box turtle Asian box turtle oh nice nice ooh he's cute old guy that's Uway you think they know each other

like are they friends are they familiar is he easy to hold or I don't want to like drop yeah I'll let you hold her yeah you can't get he won't trap your fingers or hurt you like a hamburger he said Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like a hamburger? No, this guy's harmless. Super harmless. And again, everything's out. Wow. Aww. So cute. Let me come from this space.

That one will trap you, you said. I don't think she's going to, because if she was, like, you know, really, really fearful, I might not have, like, my clothes and have her on my lap like this, but no, I don't think she's going to do anything funny. And they have tympandums, too. Can you see this big thing right here? Yeah. That's their ear drum. This guy has one, too. too.

It's much smaller. It's kind of hard to distinguish right there, but yeah. These look like the ones at the Calbasis Commons. Those are radiered sliders. Oh, different. Those are actually turtles. This is a turtle. This is kind of like a box turtles are kind of this weird in between where they spend a bit of time in water, but they can also do really well on land.

The raidered sliders are a little more flat. They've got the web feet. They're great swimmers. They're not, you know, they spend pretty much all their life in and near water, whereas these guys will do a good combination of land and water and these guys are pretty much just land. They'll go in little water bodies and, you know, rinse off or get a drink or take a dump or something, but otherwise they're pretty much on the ground or under the ground. Okay, so they're not, there's that lake that we go to and they always have like these like animals.

They have like, what do they have? They got, like the ducks, the swans. But sometimes they have these little turtles there. You ever seen them? Yeah. Well, yeah, like I said, the sliders. I haven't seen rocks turtles around here. No, unless it's someone's pet that got loose. Yeah. I think that's what it was. The sliders, they're not native here. They're native to the other side of the country, honestly.

Oh, okay. But they've kind of, ever since they got, whether introduced or whatever it is, they're all over the other side of the Rocky Mountains. And that was kind of their, they're like, the range of their limit, the limit of their range was the Rocky Mountains, but I've seen them on the other side. And I think they get out, and they're pretty durable. They can habituate to new climates and environments,

and some species are good at that, and red-eared sliders are one of them. So I like this about tortoises. Feel her shell here. You can see it's all kind of, like, ribbed. It's nice. And then feel here, it's, like, glassy smooth. So when they're digging and they're going on and grab, every time they're kind of like sanding the top of the shell,

like sandpaper sanding, you know, they're just kind of rubbing it on something over and over and over again. So all these, like, high spots is where it gets nice and smooth. Why do they have the hard shells? Do you know? Is there any real reason, like protection? Part of their protection of their defense. I mean, like, if you see it, for the most part,

any turtle or tortoise in a defensive posture, what's that look like? Everything's hiding in the shell. I mean, these guys, think about, these guys are native to sub-Saharan Africa. What else is native to sub-Saharan Africa? We've got anything from jackals to hyenas to lions and a lot of different predators there and they want to be safe. So they're covered with this armored, totally armored shell.

And then they got these huge spikes on their thighs, like big prominent scoots. Like look at the scoots and the scales on her legs and feet and on her arms compared to this little thing. I mean, obviously there's a size difference. But even if you had a slocata the same size, you would see it's significantly more armored. and these guys can survive amongst all those other, like, you know, sub-Saharan Africa arguably has the biggest diversity of carnivores and predators, you know,

terrestrial predators at least, the lamb predators with all these different things. So you've got to be able to protect yourself, and that's what these guys do. They're not so offensive. They don't have any major weapons, really, but they can just hide in that shell and be good. Love that.

We love the protection. You know what? I love animals. You really came around. Yes, I think a few years ago, I'm so happy. Yeah, you made a big difference, you guys. Well, because Oscar's a big animal lover.

He loves an oxalotl. He loves, like, yeah. He has lots of fishes. Okay. Yeah. Yes, I like a lot of freshwater fish. Eventually, I want to get into salt water, but I want to be, like, prepared for it. Because it's a big commitment.

Yeah. You do planted tanks? Like, you can have a lot of fun with that. You had five dogs, too, don't you? Yeah, I have, what, three golden retrievers and then cats. I also grew up, like, all around animals, too. Yeah, so we had, like, chinchillas, guinea pigs, rabbits, rabbits. Yeah, iguana, snakes.

Did you grow up in California? Yeah. Okay. So I've always loved animals since I was a kid. How many cats do you have? I have two. Okay. Yeah.

We got a pretty full house. Yep. We have none animals. But my kids love animals and I need to start being not scared of them because we take them to the Moore Park College. You know that one where they have like owls and stuff. Exotic animal training and management program. Yeah. They have like a lion up there.

They want to get pets and I got to just start not being scared. Look at you though. thing for kids. Honestly, it's not, like, I'm not saying you're a bad parent

if you don't get your kid a pet. But honestly, like, it's such a good thing for kids. I mean, it's also like,

it just gets them comfortable around them and obituated to them and just being around them. Like, it's, um, have you guys ever met people that like,

never had a pet growing up, never, like, yeah, so like, never. It's rare for, and you're unexpectedly

very comfortable around animals, so I think you're a unique exception, but I've met other people where they've not been around animals. I hand him a snake there, not like you. Like, you were, you did amazing. I'm very impressed. This is a new development.

This is a new development. Yes. Yeah. No, I mean, I mean, you've seen this more than I have. You see people that aren't comfortable with it. It's a reaction. It's a different thing. And it takes some time to get used to.

Yes. And you have to talk them into it. We really work hard to kind of makes them feel comfortable and safe. And our animals are doing really good job as well. No, you do a great job. People, like, a lot of times they come around and, like, they'll touch or feel or even hold an animal before we're through hanging out. But it takes a lot more than this.

And when they have the animal, usually like, is this okay? I can be like that, but I'm trying to be better. Thank. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was, like, amazed.

I love the animals. And we love protecting the animals. No more ostrich purses. No more any of that stuff. Because honestly, they belong on the ostrich. You know what I mean? Crocodiles, all of that. Well, this is great.

Find Dr. Evan on social media. You have so many followers on there. Donate to Rhino 911. Is that the one? That would be amazing. Yeah. Thank you very much for that. And reptile.

family. Check them out here in Oxnard. We love an 805 crew. It's great to be out here. Protect the animals and protect yourselves. Any final words for anyone that you want to know about the animals or anything about you? Yes, if there's one thing because we have exotic animals on here, I'd just like to let people know. If you're thinking about having an exotic animal pet, please do your research. Know what you're getting into. Know what you're getting into. Know what kind of space they need. Know if they need certain humidities or temperatures or specific things with their diet. Like know what you're getting into because a lot of the patients I see as a veterinarian are as a result that people just weren't doing something they should have

been doing. And it didn't have to, you know, get to the point where we need to bring a pet to the vet. Yeah, do your research. And also there's a lot of rescues. And there's reptile rescues in L.A. There's multiple. So, like, I always encourage Adoptone shop. Yeah, adopt, don't shop. And there's a lot of resource for that and a lot of major cities. So, yeah. Well, great to know. Adoptone shop. And there's D.G.R. Turtles, there's Tana. She's my co-hast from my second podcast. This is Tanna. This is Dr. Abbott. I love walking in here because you just never know what it's like. The turtles, yes.

It might be a generational pop store or it might be a massive turtle in both her. You missed the snakes. We had a snake. We had a tarantula. We just finished our little animal segment. Yeah. We show you. Well, they have a whole bunch.

That's how a friendly situation you are. This is so cool. Yes. Dr. Evan was voted. People's sexiest vet alive. Oh, my God. Yeah. And he lives down the street.

So it's wonderful. We're neighbors. Sorry. Yeah, I love this. This is everything. Okay. Well, thank you. Yes.

We're coming right there. All right. Well, thank you so much to Dr. Evan and thank you to reptile family. Oscar. Thank you for the discovery. Thank you to the animals. And we'll see you guys in the next one. All right.

Thank you. Good night.