Just Trish - Draft Episode for Mar 24, 2026

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

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I don't, I think, I think everyone can agree no matter the fit of rage that you're in or whatever. I feel like when your kid is there, you just know to end it. Nothing he does is funny, but I also don't know who he is. Bad. All of this was bad, but I guess when you're already at the bottom, there's nowhere else to go. Because you're already there. Hello and welcome back to the podcast, just Trish. So happy to be here today.

Oh my gosh, we're still in the lucky month. Even though St. Patrick's Day has passed, we are still luckier than ever because. we're all here together enjoying each other's presents and company and we just love making quality content for you guys and that is what we're doing here just Trish I heard radio awards this week and the voting has closed so

here's hoping me, Miley Taylor, we're all gonna be there just a couple of divas, you know? Mama, this is a place for legends. It kind of is Yelie Taylor and Trish? They heard you were going to be there and they're like, we'll come to this one. Yeah, they changed

their minds. They were going to just send a little video message and they said, oh, the Diva Future Emmy Award winning Future Emmy's crazy. Actress Star of Euphoria and other TVD projects is going to be there. Like, let me show up and show out. That's what I think. I think so, too. I saw a TikTok that had like 200,000 like likes and it was literally just like, oh, Trisha and an unknown.

And who was that unknown? Taylor. Oh, Taylor's going to be so excited to meet Trish. The comments were so wild, but I'm so happy I'm on this side of the internet. I made it through. I weather the storm. I'm on the other side, which is Great. I'm very excited. So we'll see how that goes. Oh, Euphoria did send me a package. We should open that or maybe on Patreon. We can open it. Euphoria sent me a package before I forget. And my other TBD project is coming in April. So it's not too much longer. And yeah, I have an exciting announcement coming today, which I'm really excited about. And just, you know, great stuff happening. Is this the last touch out? Or? It's done. It's done and over. Oh, I got to calculate what we raised for the NJBC from those.

These are done for a moment But it's gonna become my secret society Where I'm gonna do secret videos for that tier Or you can just downgrade to a different tier if you want But yes, these are the final headshots for now Because as we know even with this one it took me I was a week late to them It takes me a very long time to hand sign them

I love them but truly these days I do not have a minute to spare Except eating somebody the other day was like All you do is eat don't just spend time with your kids I'm like well I'm gonna have to eat You know and I eat with them they're next to me So I do have time to eat that is like great things I live just now they're like will you have time to eat on tic-tac for someone who's such a boots on the ground hater that they're mad at you for like sustaining

your life like that's kind of fierce it's just the question mark which i need to keep shout not shouting at that question mark because the question mark was like thanks for the shout-out also i mean i feel really sad for them the question mark no yeah they don't have quality like they don't know what it means to have dinner with family to sit down parents kids together Yeah. Like, that's the most quality time you have and you want to make it last as long as possible. Right. But I guess their argument is that I'm filming it and I should be enjoying it with the kids.

No, I think they're just missing the whole point of sitting together. I'm all the task. I'm a working mom. I need to do it all. It is about six minutes of filming. And I don't do it all the time. Just, you know. They love it.

I mean, they light up. The minute you turn the camera on, Malibu is just like, hello everybody. We got to take her to ice cream after this because she was very, she was very clingy. She should not want us to go to work today. And then I was like, No, she wanted to go to work. She wanted to go to work. She's like, I want to work.

I'm like, enjoy your youth. Yeah, not working. Not working. Anyways, that was a whole long thing. And the question marks like, I'm not your only hater. There's still some left. I haven't seen any.

I've literally just seen this question mark. So anyways, some people came for her. You don't have to come or hurt them. I don't know. It's a question mark. We don't know. I'm not daching anyone. And it's fine.

But, you know, you are my only hater? Just kidding. How are you? Should I do the announcement? Should I just do it now? Yeah, in a few minutes. Yeah, because we need to do just... A little intros.

It's a big... It's a big announcement. You look very different. It's the glasses for so. Is this where we're not sponsored? Or is free? Is it the one that they're in? Yes.

No, okay. The gag is... No, not these ones. The gag is they sent me some... They weren't able to put my prescription in the ones that they sent me for free because my prescription is too bad. Like, the lenses were too thick.

for the frames. But they're like, do you still want them? And I'm like, well, yeah, maybe I'll figure it out somehow. What? How? And then I just went and got these ones. But these are my near-sided ones for like the computer. And my distance ones are taking a long time because those ones, that's the prescription.

That's really bad. Do you switch or you have bifocles? I'll switch. Like, when I'm- You switch glasses? Yeah. So these are my computer ones. So when she's doing journalism, she'll have these ones on. And then I have other ones for like driving in everyday life.

That's crazy. They have like trifocles. They have like multiple lenses that you can look out of. My normal prescription, I can technically do both, but it's a very interesting stuff. I just, it's more of a strain on my eyes because they're, I don't know, the way that they adjust. There's a very small part of the frame of the lens that's like for a computer or like near-sidedness. So I have to look specifically from that part of the lens, like down. But these ones, the whole lens is for like up close.

So it's less of a strain on my eyes. I just don't see. Maybe that's the secret. I'm a blurriest hell to everybody. Everyone's glorious hell to me. You know, when I drive, I wear my glasses. But it just contacts, glasses, all of it's annoying. I love glasses because I feel like they, I don't know, my head is big so it distracts from my big head.

I was going to wear glasses today too to look smart. My big head too. I have a huge head. Who's that is big? Do we ever measure circumference? That's a good Patreon. 26. I think I'm a 26 inch.

Everyone in the crew will measure. Well, I think it's mine for sure. You look good. I like these new glasses. Oh, thanks. The tousled hair. It's a little wavy. And then that's outfit.

You are in full. You can't see the pants, but you're in full combat. Well, combat. I don't know if that. Maybe not full. It's almost like camouflage, but it's not true. Well, you have a Hamilton Star on. So that's why I was thinking like combat in the Civil War, but that was wrong timing.

But yes. Has been star. Mama the drive. I know. It is giving that. It is giving that. You are giving like 1950s. A soldier, I guess.

Work. If I can say it. Okay. I don't know if that's a fair. Sorry to all the soldiers in the 1950s, probably didn't want to go. Shout out to the veterans out there. Well, they probably didn't want to go. They were drafted back then.

That's true. That's true. Which makes me sad. It's crazy. They're like, you just have to come right now. It's like, give people a chance. Tea. I guess this was Canada's for.

Not to say you have to go there, but they're talking about the 1950s. I'm giving them tips. Hostomist. Yeah. Okay. Work. And also, I guess if it happens. again or something.

I'll never know. No legal advice over here. What is the inspiration? You always have an inspo. The inspo is I saw this shirt on an Instagram ad. And then when I opened my drawer for pants, I said, those are brown. And my shirt is brown. These are new.

No. Oh, the shirt is brown. The shirt is brown? The shirt is charcoal. This is the most interesting conversation. Well, I don't know. There wasn't much thought into it, to be honest. There really wasn't.

I really wanted a big T-shirt today, honestly. For some reason, I was just like, give me just a big tea, an oversized tea. Can't go wrong with that. I know. And I'm always jealous of like, you know, the teeny we need girls who just wear the Taylor-Frankie Pauls of the world who just wear just oversized. Right. Yeah. Probably small on her.

Although Moses did say last night, he's like, you guys always talk about weight. And I was like, I feel we haven't talked about it in a while. But today we did. But I feel like we haven't talked about weight. I think so either. Yeah. Let us know. I was like, when?

They let us know. I see the comments. All right. Let us know. I feel like I've been on my good journey. I feel like I've lost like nine pounds in like six weeks. And I didn't even know. Like I thought I was just like not losing anything.

I haven't really been dieting. And then I like, wait and myself. I'm like, wow, I'm so skinny. And like I don't think about it because I don't think about losing weight. And that's why I'm like, I don't think we talk about it. Except for right now because we talked about last night. And you talked about that. But I never think about it.

So I didn't think we were talking about it. It's because you're a health and wellness vlog. I feel like you push you to make health and wellness content. So I think that's why you should have the frame everything in your mind. does like, oh, I have to do this for a video. Content. Yes. Check it out.

Health and wellness vlog. People liked it out like 70,000. I've been really pushing it. It says YouTube has Shadowban me on me. I really do. We know because you searched. I hate when people say that because it's like, no, your content is just boring, but like I actually am Shadowbound.

So YouTube, you sent me a jacket. Give me back in good graces. Give me one more shot. I will not mess it up. And I really just want. Because I love making the content. It's been so fun. But yeah.

You're going to get a March vlog too. But that was just a little bonus. And, you know, there's more to come. I'm doing Pickable now. I'm doing a lot. So just wait for part two of the health and wellness vlog. Check out Oscar Gracie's vlog too. Yeah, new blog today, actually.

I know. What's the title? I think the working title as of right now is Flopcast After Show plus sign buying a house is like really hard, you guys. Prentices, vlog and parentheses. That's a good one. Thank you. Yes. You're on your real estate journey.

Yes. I guess find out more on the vlog. We can talk about it here you want. I don't know how deep you're going into. it, but it's been so exciting after each one. I'm like, oh my God, let's the update. Like, House Spying is so exciting. It is.

It's very overwhelming in a really great way, though, like a way that was like, wow, I do not think this would ever happen. And it really is because of you in this program, genuinely, because damn, it is so hard. It is so hard for just the regular working girl because, yeah, with my regular working girl job, I couldn't get shit. Well, even as a non-regular working girl, this podcast also saved me. So I was also very much in debt. So thank you guys.

And I'm glad. I'm so happy. It's so exciting. It's very cool. Yeah, I can't wait to see your vlog. Are you, like, vlogging, looking at houses and stuff? Because obviously, we don't want to spoil it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also I'm a little behind. I'm like two weeks behind. Oh, okay. So it was earlier in the process. But we have updates in there. Have you been filming the houses? A couple of them, yeah. I love people do that.

I like always wish we would have done that. But I always feel, you film, I guess, a little bit. I always feel like, put it down, put it down, don't do it. But, like, people do it all the time. Terror's world did it. done it for the ones where it's like their show houses. Yeah. And like, um, no one lives there. Because I feel like if it's a family lives there and I'm sitting here like filming in their closet, that's weird. But these are all like empty like show houses. I've got like flips. So there's

been a couple where like it was actual family selling their home. But yeah. And what does that mean? There's like their stuff is in there. Yeah. Right. Because people would still be living there. Yeah. I never, oh, I guess we never looked at houses like that. But I guess if we were to sell this, yeah, I guess in order to buy a new house, you'd have to sell this house. And it's all. The concept of that while, like with all the kids, like the kids' playroom. That's what I'm saying. Like, they'll see my face everywhere. Like.

No, usually you don't. But if we're living here, we're doing the podcast here. We're going to get another house once we sold this house. So how? You would move into a like a transfer phase where, you know, like everything is packed and goes into storage. No, he's saying he's looked at houses where the kids are living. Like people are living there because they can't do that. But I'm saying for us.

Okay, well, not just like a regular person. Like, yeah, your stuff would just be there and people just going through, I suppose. Yeah. Pretty rare, but yeah. We can still be here. I don't mind if people come through. I'd be like, here, welcome to my house. If anything, it adds a little market value.

Okay. Yeah. Celebrity lived here. We become a fan meet and greet, you know, because people will just be interested in the house to come and see you. Well, you get, like, you can get people like, you know, pre-approved, you know about this, whatever. I don't care if they want to come and do a meet and greet.

It's fine. honestly because whoever buys this house when we're dead or whatever like is going to have to be a fan because the beetle juice table can't move and the prince of egypt marble bed can't move because it's cemented into the house and probably the couch because it took a crane to get the couch in I don't know how the hell you're going to get it out so I think I would love if it was like if it's not going to turn into like a graceland I would love if a fan bought it actually because they'd probably like preserve it and uh love it that's kind of cool I would like if Elvis's house would for sale I would 100% buy it especially with like all his stuff in it's kind of cool

Right? Like a super fan? I guess. If we're dead, who cares? Yeah. I mean, kind of like the Breaking Bad House that like recently went for sale. Oh, yes. I think I want to say Aiden Ross, but I think so too.

And I think it was originally on the market for like a couple, I mean like a couple hundred thousand and ended up being sold to Aden Ross for like, I think over two million just because it was the Breaking Bad House. So I think if you just really capitalize that this is where everything happened, that Mama, you want to be a part of her street? Come on down. The pink wall is yours. You can have this year.

I actually love that. It's very Whitney with Shane Dawson's old house. You know, it's very like history. A little landmark, if you will. I don't know. We got to reach out for a statement. Did Whitney know what she was getting into it? I don't know.

I don't know. I feel, oh, God, that was distracting. Sorry. That was from Vyasha. Go to Patreon.com slash Just Trish. If you want to see, me and Moses went to Veyerach last week while Oscar was busy handling his home. His home buying it and endeavors.

Yes. Yes, but it was good. We went to My R-R-10 and had a blast. It had a whole choice. It was incredible. Oh, my God. It was so good. Well, if you bought a house out there, let us know how it went.

It's hard. I never did until I met Moses. I definitely needed that. What did they call it? The dinks, the dual-income. Oh, it's dual-income. No kids. That's not us.

But it was us. And, yeah, it's not easy. They don't make it easy no matter what. But like you said, I mean, if you're not an influence, I'm sure, it's like 10 times harder because it's just like. That's pretty much impossible for most people in this point. Because even if you save money, right? It's like if you're not if you're not showing like consistent like they're just they're so picky.

Even us who were making money like it still was like not enough. It's like you could show I was doing OF back and I was just like the consistent, this big income. And they're like well, it's new though. The income's new. Yeah. I have the same problem. And because I showed my like salary and I've been saving like I've been living very cost efficiently for years. And I have like a salary job and everything.

So I thought it would be pretty easy. but damn and like my salary is considered like above average so my whole like woke soapbox was like okay if my technically have above salary above average salary at my like job my full-time job then what about the people who are average or below average and then I was like the system is really another reason we need to run one day for Congress because it should be affordable housing for everyone it used to be like that like first-time buyers like only 3% down and so it's like it used to be that and I don't know what the hell happened when I was the first-time buyer it's like no not you actually.

It's like, well, okay, but also you don't qualify for this and also you can't do this. And it's just, it's... California can be good. If you have Trisha and Spencer. Well, make affordable housing for everyone. As I should. It's not, you know, what are they...

I know. What are the gatekeeping for? You know what I mean? It's sick. For everyone. We'll get there. We'll get there. Maybe not this year or next year, but in the next 10 years.

It's the long-term plan. Hopefully, that's like, the goal in life. How are you with a pink shirt over there? I'm good. Yeah, I've got a new shirt and got a new cooking channel going in. I didn't know about this. Did we find this reveal after last time? When did you reveal this? You revealed this to us. I'm like, oh, you have a whole new cooking. Right? Were you here? Yeah. What? What did you mean?

When did this happen? And you never told me the name. You never said anything. Oh, just Moses cooking, cooking videos. Cooking. Is there something up there now? It will be. Yeah. The last one I made because I got that collaboration between basically pasta and tin fish, Carbon and Fishwife. For sponsored TikTok, everyone, go see it. Yeah, so I'll upload it over there just to get it going so people can subscribe and get the channel moving.

See, we always have something to promote. Asper, your vlog, Moses, now you got something to promote. I'm cooking all the time, so. You are. Everyone always says that. They're always like, you should just be filming this. I always say that too. Should be filming it.

So I will. Enjoy it. You will enjoy it or you're telling them to enjoy it? I'm enjoying it, but subscribe. Yeah, the food you make. I keep sending you recipes. It's so good. Well, before we get into hot topics, we'll do my announcement.

I'm so excited. Okay, guys, here it is. Over 100,000 words. No joke. Okay, you guys. My official memoir as a published author is now available for pre-orders. This is my memoir, Crying on the Kitchen Floor. Yay!

Yes. I'm so excited. Oh, my God. We got to start our book. book club with this. Over 100,000 words, you guys. We actually cut down because it was like so much. The first two chapters, they actually cut down in half because like it's just actually too much. But my memoir, Crying on the Ligin Floor is officially available now for pre-order cover. Cover reveal will be happening in a couple weeks in the cover. It's amazing. If I do say so myself.

And I'm going to do a little book tour in November. So keep your first two weeks in November open. I'm coming to a town near you. This is crazy. Yes. It's my first publishing deal. I've done books where I self-published, pamphlets, if you will. Mess. Writing a memory at 23 under the influence is not recommended. Those are relics and those have nothing in them. This has all the juice that you wanted to. Honestly, like at first, I was like,

oh, it's not going to be tell out because everyone knows everything. And then I was like reading it back. I was like, oh, this is like a lot to share. So things I've talked about, things I haven't talked about, things that I'm like, oh, God, I was so in the wrong. What was going through my head at the time. And also things that I still feel like I deserve some justice. for. There's a lot. There's a lot in here to uncover.

I hope it's a takeaway book, too. I hope it's a takeaway book. A lesson of, you know, resilience. Resilience. Well, I was going to say it's possible to change, but yeah, resilience, I guess, is the same thing. Resilience. Oh, we need to do a butterfly release to celebrate. Oh, my God. So smart.

We should do it on. Can we get butterflies here in the next hour? That'd be everything. That really does symbolize you, I think. Who do we call? Who was that guy? Jordan. Metamorphosis, that's a good. Oh, Jordan. Oh, Jordan. He's going to jail. right? Is that the one that's divorcing? Allegedly, yes. Allegedly, yeah.

Is divorcing allegedly jail? Did you hear that? Yeah. Was it his sister or her sister or something? It was like, oh, he's going to jail. Chase his sister, but yes. Oh, different sister. She was excited. She was celebrating that jail. I was like, that's kind of crazy, but also work, whatever he did.

But, you know, I've been invited to the villa. It's a big moment for dad's war. Oh, my gosh. And a bigger moment of Moses. Anyways, crying on the kitchen floor is my memoir. Go get it. pre-order. It's going to be great.

Everywhere. We're going to have a bunch of links. There's a couple links. There's different outlets. The UK. Got a UK publishing deal. Which is hard to get. They're kind of like,

they're a little more, you know, picky over there. So got a UK one. I'm very excited. This has been literally two years in the making. We have been writing this and finding the right publisher, which was like right away, actually, the first one.

We had like so many calls. And like the first one was like, this is the one. Just an amazing all female team. Pretty much in the last two years every week for a few hours. Every week. Yeah, I've been working on it. And sometimes twice a week when I was on tour, I was doing twice a week.

And I was working on tour. Oh, my God. And we just finished the manuscript a couple weeks ago. So it's good. I'm very excited. It's going over to legal now. So we'll see what they let me keep in. I think they'll keep in most.

It is kind of funny what they'll let you keep in. I guess if they're like public figures, you can like keep in most. But I was, oh, I was very meticulous with this, even going through the rereads because I was like, everything has to be perfect. I was looking at every single day. That's why for the past two years I've been kind of like nostalgic, I suppose. why Shane and everything's been writing up because it's just like in my head. I had to watch videos.

I've never watched before. Some David Doberk videos I never watched those last two. I never watched those videos in their entirety. So I remember watching it and just being like, oh, my, like, it just so much. I've learned about myself in the past couple years. And I just had to make sure every, like, date was right. I just had to make sure this was like perfect because I know everyone's going to just like dissect it. And like the best way.

But also I just don't want any room for any error. So. She would sometimes like walk into the room like in tea. years of like this paragraph I just can't like she'll get so emotional about the book I did write one I know do you know why the Caged Bird sings is that okay no what is that my answer something in dad is something bad could never be me but I find up there with her I think I was very I was I was yeah sometimes you write things and you're just like wow and then you write it you know I think everyone has a good story I think everyone has a good story I think everyone

a story and everyone could write their own but I really do feel like mine is it's a lot 20 years it's been 20 years since I wrote my last memoir basically my self-published one so a lot of it happened in 20 years and I'm very excited Oscar has Oscar has a pretty pivotal moment in the book that no one knows about so I'm excited that it's out there yes I'm very excited and you end in my ending too which is great because the ending like wraps everything up and it's like this happy little time so here's hoping we stay together for a very long time because I remember being like wow this is published like this is great he can changed me. Everything's getting better. That is so sweet. Yeah, I'm very excited. So

anyways, it's good. I think it's good. I think it is like slacious, but I think of like honest. I think it's real. I feel like I did a lot of good self-reflection. I feel like I'm that person who can really look at myself as like, what is it like self-aware? Like not really like, no victim here. You know, sometimes younger when I was like a child maybe. But like, in my adult social media, like, yeah, I really don't. I really tried hard not to victimize myself. So I was talking to so many other people too. And just. like getting feedback on everything and just good self-reflection. Good self-reflection.

I'm very proud. So I don't think anyone needs to be scared of this book. But maybe, I don't know. It's all honest. It's all honest. I really try and just be like honest and take it like some emotion out of it when it comes to it. But I'm very excited. Not even Moses.

Like he hasn't even read it yet. I don't know. You're not a reader, but would you want to read it? I'm waiting for the audio book. There you go. I'm going to record. I have to record two. I have to record one for the U.S.

one for the U.K. I guess the U.K. You need an accurate. accent yeah hello chapter one it's tortuana kitchen they don't they don't understand american that's so funny I guess they censor more over there they censor names

they're just more uh... yeah they're very very strict with like liability and stuff um so anyways that's that I'm very um I'm very excited I can't believe I could have announced it was so fun so it's coming in at November but you can start the pre-orders today um which you know

you should do Because it's already flying off the show. So if you don't get your pre-orders in now, and everyone who pre-orders has the option to be entered into a gift. No, no, fake news, fake news. I love fake giveways. Which, by the way, you know you do, which is why. You were one of the first a comment on Moses' has sponsored Tinfish pasta review on Instagram.

Because you're excited about it. I was within the first five minutes. I said, this looks delicious. I will be trying it. And then the comments are like, you don't even like fish. Okay. We got some for you. That tuna pasta is coming right down.

Actually, Amari and Devin liked it. Tana doesn't do fish, but they liked it. They were filming what I was. Oh, I love it. All the food. Everything was gone. Nothing was left. Amari is a big tin fish person, so he was very excited about it. So it was very delicious.

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Thank you so much to Drop Kings for sponsoring today's episode. Anyways, all right, let's get to hot topics. It's hard to pivot after that. That's so exciting. I cannot wait. The concept of seeing you in like a bookstore or wherever books are sold, the airport. Yeah. That is so fierce.

I know, I'll be so excited. I want to be like at the airport. I want to go like what they do. and like they sign the books, you know, they go into, like, store and sign. I think Debbie Lado just did that with her cookbook. She's just like, signing. Can you do that?

I guess so you get, like, like, taken out of the store for vandalism? I know. I was like, wait, could you just sign? What if someone's like, I don't want this sign book? You know what I mean? Like, I guess, oh, I guess that's why they did video

so it looks like they're actually signing it. Because what if I just go in and do like, you know, Stephen King's book and start signing it as him. I guess you'd take it as proof. But I, yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait to do the audio book. I haven't done it yet, It really is, you know, really is my voice.

And I'm very excited. Yay. And it's like, we only get one memoir, too. It's like, I mean, maybe like another 30 years. I could write another memoir. But it's kind of like the big one. And I'm like really excited. I'm cool.

Like, it's cool to be like published too. I don't know. Like, I mean, of course, not publishing do it. It's cool. But published. Dallas Lerman, Sophia Coppola. We're ready to get options. We got a manuscript.

Let's get it going. Let's get the film. would love I'll get Mazz first first good thing yeah you know you did go with the Elvis so Margo Robbie at Lucky Chat Productions

let's talk let's go I'm ready my link tree has my contact info and I'll be managing the deal come on oh my god that would be so crazy maybe my photographer for my cover is the same photographer

who did Jeanette McCurdy's book so maybe there's some good dust in there it's really good I really love my cover I'm really excited that'll come in a couple weeks and yeah I was very excited when they proposed

I was like, oh, yeah. And it was so good. And he was telling me all the Jim McCurdy, like, options they had. But her cover is so iconic. So I was just like, it's not the same, obviously. It's very different. But I'm excited to have the revia. Oh, my God.

Yeah. It's a movie. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Could get to it. I always had Rating Rodriguez. I like her. I love Dove Cameron.

I love, I don't know, like unknown. Yeah, T. Like, this could really be an unknown actresses, like, star making role. Yeah. So we really could go so many ways with that. Yeah. McKenna Grace. You beat me to it.

I was thinking a little bit McKenna Grace. But she is kind of in everything, so it's like... Right, she's already a star. But she was great. I watched the Zendaya Disney Channel show that she was on. Did you ever see that on a clip? The girl's a robot? Yeah, I didn't even know she was in that.

I didn't either. Where she slammed the door on her face. And she's like, I know you're a robot, but... And I was like, Mechanic Grace A, I didn't know that was her either. Someone's like, oh, she's been in everything. And I was like, oh, hired. She can play me 100%. Yeah, there's so many options.

I actually don't know. We'll get to that when we get to that, I guess. Let's have it come out first. Yeah, all right. What's what to do? When does Euphoria start? Is it starting soon? Soon.

Wait, what is the release date? We did get a game from, I mean, specifically, especially gift for you from Robert Patterson and Zendia. Wow. I thought maybe on Patreon we can play it. Is it one of those, it's going to be like, what's the secret to ruin your marriage? The one I already tried to play?

Is it from the movie? Wow. They gave me a personal photo. That's so nice. That's major. What's the game? It's a card game. Like, what's one question on there?

What's the worst thing you've ever done? Really? I'll literally already play that. And then when you go deeper, what's a red flag you ignored when you first met them? Because I think some of them are about X's and some of them are. So there's low drama and high drama. Oh. We should play that with the cast of Mormon wives.

That would be crazy. I think that's every episode over there. Yeah. All red flags. Oh, my God. Yeah, everything popped off after our last episode. Taylor Frankie Paul really curses us because every time we talk about her,

there's a new development. So I'm scared what's going to come out on Tuesday at 10.30 a.m. That's the thing. It's like literally, not Love Line 2. We filmed almost like two weeks in advance and like having to like edit and change everything. And same thing with me last Monday.

I was like, love Taylor, Stan. And then it's like, ooh, maybe. And then it's bad. And now everyone's like already flipping but like wait till like Dakota's thing comes out. And it's like, what is happening? Like there is like just always. always a new.

Plot twists after plot twists after plot twist. It really is. It kind of made me sad. I mean, we're back in Hot Topics mode, so I'm like down to gossip about it. But it kind of made me sad over the weekend. I kind of like was like,

this is like sad. This is like, depressed a little bit like because obviously like kids are involved. It's just like, but you know I was deep diving. I was so deep diving. And it just is like there's a lot of layers. There's a lot of layers.

I know. I feel a little bit of an expert out though. I feel like I watched every podcast Taylor Frankie Ball has done. Like I, because I am like a fan and I think so many people are fans. And I think that's like the, like that's like, ah, it's just so, that's the problem. And the problem is, it's also we don't see everything.

We don't know everything. And it's like, things change so quickly and like what's out there. Because obviously everyone's like, why is this all being brought up from 23? But like, no one saw the video. And we only went off Taylor Frankie Paul. She was on like Avery's podcast where she was just like, oh, it never hit the child. And then all of a sudden it's like hit the child. And then now it's like, okay, well, there's a whole new thing of information.

Also, wasn't there like a new, isn't there an open investigation currently? From February. Yeah. From February of this year. So everyone's like, okay, it happened to yours. She could happen. which I would agree with, right? Like, it's like, all you can do is, like, move forward.

And she was, like, going through change and growth on the show. But I think there was, like, a new one with her son ever in the room, allegedly. Yes. Yes. So I was like, I think we're all, a lot of people are. I think everyone's, like, confused because everyone's, like, missing plot points here and there. I know. I keep seeing the comments, too.

They're, like, all over the place because. All over. Yeah, the video that just came out is from 2023. But it all kind of stems because there was another event at the end of February. that kind of was bad enough that the other girls in the cast of sequelized Mormon wives got together, had a Zoom meeting with ABC and Hulu and we're like, we don't want to film anymore, basically. So it was that bad. And Michaela confirmed that.

Like, the girls got together and were like uncomfortable filming with Taylor because of what just happened. So it was that bad that they didn't want to film with them. February this year. I guess a couple weeks ago. So. Yeah, that's, I think that's why. I think it's like, yeah, I think that's where we lose. The video shot.

We were, like, at the beach, and I had seen it right before, and then you were texting, and then it was like this whole thing. And I was like so, it was so shocking. We're at the beach, by the way, with people who have no idea who had the Frank Powell, which is, like, explaining it to them. I was telling you, I was telling someone about it. And someone thought I was, my friend thought I was talking about Ruby Frankie, the abusive mom.

People do get that confused. And they're like, how could you even watch a show about Ruby Frankie and everything she did the kids? And I was like, okay. A different Frankie. Yes. Different Frankie. Although Chad Frankie, her son, is on TikTok, and it's my favorite thing ever. he's giving story times of that period of his life.

And he talked about how he, they had a Universal Studios brand deal, and they got flown to Florida, and they got like two hours in the park just like to do whatever. But they had to film like some pictures and videos in front of the thing. So they all had to like jump or whatever. He's like, I was like,

I was a kid. I just want to go like play the rides or whatever. But like just one shot, but obviously it wasn't more than one shot. She kept wanting to do different shots and stuff like that. And they just like weren't going on the ride. So every picture, like they were supposed to be jumping, but he was just always like flicking off the camera.

And like videos, he's in the background, flicking off. so they couldn't use anyways. They get home. They send the content over to the editor for the brand deal. And the brand was basically like, it was for wet ones, he said. And so they were basically like, uh, we can't make payment because all of it is just him flicking the camera off.

And everyone's like, they actually should pay you because that actually saved them from having horrible PR. Oh, yeah. To be associated. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting. And really funny. Honestly, good for him.

Unless he got like, I don't know, she abused him. I don't know. I don't know. Probably. I would assume some kind of trauma. Yeah. I think so. Yes.

He did talk a little bit about it. So anyways, side note, sidebar from there. But Taylor Frankie Paul is not Ruby Frank. We know that. But it is wild. I actually never seen the internet so, so split up and so divisive and also so hardcore. Like the people who are like Taylor Frankie Paul defenders defending her, Dakota, Dakota and Taylor both on social media reposting.

Girl. Reposting. And someone, one of the ones I follow, I love him. I think his name's Holden, actually. I think I met him. Did you see it? Yeah. He is like, Taylor's like, what do you want me?

do just like sit and stare at a wall. He's like, yes, that's what you should be doing right now. It is, it is crazy. The reposts is wild. The comments. Yeah, it's like, girl, when you're getting canceled, you got to just put the phone down. She went to the Brooks Schofield School of like handling cancellation because like, girls, we got to put our phones down.

Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. For your mental. It's bad for PR too to be chiming in. Yes. Yeah. It's better to just.

It was crazy because on Wednesday we filmed. the Thursday episodes on Wednesday she had just done that Good Morning America. So everything seemed like on course. Oh, yeah. I literally said in the last episode we filmed, I was like, 95. First I was like, I bet my life, I'm 95% sure the show the Bachelorette is still going to come out. I went back and edited that out with the quickness because that was bad vibe. I'm like, I can't say I would bet my life that the Bachelorette's going to air and then it's not airing.

I was like, girl, let me get in the editing tool. Poop and cut that out. I'm sure someone, I, about 20,000 people already saw it. before I cut it. Okay, I love that you do that. I unsend too when I was like, I'm talking to my agent Lydia and I was like, the identity starts at the same time as like my book tour.

I've given up on that because my book tour is happening. She goes, take that back because everything you say and whatever. And I was like, just kidding. I'm going to be, I'm going to be on dancing at this. I was like, you know what I mean? Cause it's just like, anyways, that's interesting. Yeah, because I really did think it would at least air. And then when the video came out and I saw it,

I was like, oh, I don't know how they could possibly do it. I did, oh, I know someone who saw the first five episodes bachelor's, bacheloretto. Yeah, T. Ooh, that's come on. Do a recounting.

It's somewhat, no one from my work, another influencer that covers reality TV, kind of. But basically, his thoughts were like the first five episodes. It was really entertaining. And TFP

provided the spectacle and stuff. And he said that it did come across that she was actually there for the right reasons, which I kind of gathered to. It seemed like she did want to go and like have a reset. So I don't,

I do kind of agree with that. But he said that the problem is the show focused so much on how much she loves her kids and how great of a mom she is. Like they leaned in so heavy. So then when that video came out, that's in his opinion. Like it just goes so against what he saw on the show. So it's like how could you possibly air this show that focuses so much and leans in on the motherhood and then have that video.

That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense because they obviously knew about the domestic violence incident and stuff like that. It was the first episode of Mormon Wives and. she talks about it openly. Like they obviously knew about it. Obviously they didn't see the video.

And the way she describes it in podcast is very different than how the video. So that I think was the most trying thing. I feel like that's the one thing. And I like, I didn't want to go on social media and add to the discourse because people were just so passionate either way. Like if you defended it for neither or if you're like, no, she wasn't the wrong. Like they were so passionate.

I was like a little scared. So I'm like, let me just keep it for just-drich. But, um, I think that was the big thing. I think that people were like, because some people glaze over it. And I feel like it's the young people who don't have kids are just like, yeah, the kid was in there. it was bad but what it did and then like I think that's it I think once there's like a kid involved and like it she did get like hit and like there's just like no denying it whether Dakota used her

as a shield and knew it and whatever whatever there's the child's in the room and as soon as she was like mommy like I don't I think I think everyone can agree no matter the fit of rage that you're in or whatever I feel like when your kid is there you just know to end it you just know to like okay let's just remove the situation I mean we don't even like fight I have a very big like personality disorder like that where I get like triggered whatever and I just like the number one thing is like you don't do it in front of the kids like you just like remove your remove yourself or if you're going to be a danger like that you remove the kid if you think he's going to be a danger or something like that so you know I'm obviously not one to judge but I feel like once there's like a child in the room of it she said she

thought he was upstairs and because I've seen videos that explained that before of this happened he locked her in the garage and and you can imagine that if you're locked away from your kids like the kids are in the house, you're locked in the garage away from your kids. Yeah. And she was like, she was basically in mode of like fight or flight, trauma responding to everything and being intoxicated, being somewhat postpartum because I think she went through a miscarriage. So like everything was working against her. I think in general, I think it's a lose, lose situation like trying to defend anyone because

there's no defense to anyone. This is a toxic relationship. But all I'm saying, like I can see how this is a black house. situation. She does not see anything in that moment. Somebody said she was trying to get him out of the house. Right, because they weren't married. He didn't have kids with her. She's trying to get him. He was abusing her. So I don't know if that's true. But if the case was that she's feeling in danger, she wants him out of the house. She's doing everything she can because he just locked her in the garage away from the kids. So I know it just seems like one of those situations where you just don't see,

you don't hear anything. You just, I don't know. I don't. I think I would agree with you a hundred percent everything up into the point where the chair hits the daughter. It's like, mommy, and you just, like, here at the end. And I think at that point, you snap out of it. I mean, I've been in psychosis. I've been drug-a-use things. And I think there is a point even before I had kids where, like, oh, my gosh, what did I just do? And it's, like, obviously, like, people said, like, the afterwards, like, it just continued.

She didn't stop. But it was, like, I don't know. I just think when there's, like, a kid's, like, just nothing. There can be, like, no excuse for, like, violence in front of a child. Because it's also dramatic. Even fighting. my parents were like physically abusive but just hearing them like yeah I mean in front of a child is like traumatic it's traumatic but then that on top of it and now it's all it's all over it's just like um yeah I don't know I'm I I sympathize too of course yeah like postpartum and then dealing with that and people were saying like reactive abuse like all of that stuff which is something I haven't dealt with but like

of course what she did was wrong and what it's it's a loose loose situation there's no way to say something that is 100% correct yeah but I think it's valid to have canceled the show because it is just an elevated thing. And there was another incident that happened a month ago with allegedly their other child ever. So it's just like, but it is data. There's literally no good in this, obviously. It's just awful. It's like awful.

And you just feel for the kids and her, the father of that child, Tate, who was like, we used to make TikToks with Taylor. He's reposting stuff like a minute and a half of Taylor like downplaying the incident, which, you know, she did too. And it's like, again, being in those situations, I think it's just, I don't know. she didn't make light of it, right? She goes out, just note to self, like, don't throw things.

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and not have like the bachelor's means like, oh, you side with Dakota, which I think that's were getting a little lost. I see that a lot too It's like okay but he did this this and this but it's like yeah Well he sucks too I don't think I don't think the coders should be Platformed at all like especially Mind you a week ago I had no idea who

Any of these people were and now I know Everything about them and it's kind of sick It's crazy my brain I'm making a Mormon wise brain fog It is kind of crazy No he's the worst He's terrible I think he's worse than anyone Like Zach's like a toe whatever

But like he's awful We've seen him be awful he has that control. He's like, I've been in another relationship, but he keeps her in control. Like, he's obviously what, obviously they're very toxic for, he is awful.

And it's awful. Like, they said, too, like he could have, like, left. You know what I mean? He didn't go out the door. And like, there's, all this is in, whatever. On this one, Taylor was in the wrong.

Taylor, through something, it got physical. It hit the child. Taylor's in the wrong period. Yes, there's so many other things that could have happened. They could have left. He could have left, whatever. But, like, that's it.

And yeah, he's also awful. But, you know, and then it's just toxic. because then they chose to have like a kid together after all this. You know what I mean? And it's just, I think when something like that happens, right, you either like work through and like it does, you know, things change or you move on. And obviously things didn't change because there was another incident that was just reported. And Dakota just got temporary custody of ever, which is like a really big deal because I think

in general, moms rarely lose custody of their kids. So for at least a couple weeks, there's no parental contact, which I think is the sad as part of all of it. I think that's so sad. the children kind of don't know, I feel, and so to not have like not be able to see their mom if they, I think it's awful or maybe it was just ever that he got caught. So he might just ever, but still it's like he's too. He needs his mom and I think it's all sad. It's all sad. It's all awful. I guess if anything like I said, it's just like a lesson the severity of like what happens

and why if anything happens like this with the kids involved, just take your kids because you just never know which way could go who's filming what for whatever reason. Maybe Dakota was being impulative and filming. Who knows? But the fact is now her child is taken away until April. And that's, you know, it's awful. I don't know if you saw, there was one video that came, did side by side of the Gabby Petito, body cam and of their arrest and the arrest of Frankie. And it's one-to-one the same. Like, she's crying and apologetic and the guy's, like, calm and he's not even in danger.

Like, he's filming this very calm, but the end result was like, oh, you've been abused. Like the police tells both guys, you've just been a victim of an assault. It was very interesting because to see that and to see like I said, if he's, okay, you're not to the quota. You're not the one that is blanking out right now, intoxicated, all that. You actually have your mind clear and you're calm. You're filming and you're calm and you're talking, narrating. Leave the situation to do the right thing so nobody gets hurt. even if like he's not he's I think he has been manipulative in that moment I think just aside from

Dakota and obviously that Brian guy but I think aside from them I think like men can be victim and I think sometimes you do record for evidence yeah but I'm saying but here the evidence that we see is that that that's not the case he didn't de-escalate the situation he was he kept it going she asked him to leave and he kept mind you he locked her in the garage a minute before like that's not like if somebody locks you away from your kids i didn't see any of that who said that i haven't seen any of that she said it to the body camera she said it to the police and there's people that know her that said that i just think also being like if you record something and you're calm you're like not a victim i think you can be calm and just record stuff for a fact so i don't think that's like i think that's why they

were comparing it to the gabby pittino situation um yeah i don't know about that but my problem with it is just that like she that again it was 2023 and i think if she did just have like growth, that character development since then. But instead, I mean, I still have to go back and watch one, two, and three. But season four was great. Like, I literally was sick of the girl by the end of it. And this was even without even thinking of The Bachelorette stuff. But just to see someone make terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision

at like 32. We have everyone, your family, your sister, your mom, all your friends, every single person. A stepdad who's been around. She kind of made it seem like, oh, I don't have a dad. This is why. But your stepdad's been with you. You have, like, beautiful kids who, like, love you. And like no one is like nothing they say can like encourage you to like just try to better yourself.

When you know what this like man has done to you or like made you do in 2020. It's like how. And I know there's like a whole bunch of mental stuff in there too. But like at some point you got to be responsible. And yeah, remove yourself from the situation. See like get how. But instead I think she just leaned so much into like I'm just messy and chaotic. Like that's just me.

I'm just a messy chaotic girl. Like, yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to hate him, but then I'm going to hook up with him. Then I'm going to hate myself. Like, she just leans into that being her brand so much that, like, she can't pull herself out and be like, oh, I'm actually making terrible decisions. I was going to affect my family forever. But I think she was, like, profiting off of the chaos so much.

Yes. It kind of just enabled it, you know, instead of like having the self-awareness, like, better yourself. Like, she's like, oh, everyone loves me because I'm messy and chaotic. And I'm going to call out the girls who sleep with. my ex baby and my ex and my baby daddy like she just got like a pat on the back every time she was messy and that's why at the end the girls are like you are throwing everything away yeah you have the opportunity of a lifetime to be the bachelorette which all of us would die to have like we love you we're happy for you but like you don't even care enough about it you're gonna sleep with them again right before

and you're gonna miss your flight like you're put now you're putting the production in jeopardy too these people are like waiting for you to come like you have 30 guys who are excited to meet you and you're just throwing that all away. Oh, it gets me like chills. It makes me so sad. I know. I was like so frustrated with her. I'm like, girl, I'm kind of sick of the antics.

Like, help me help you. Like, we're all rooting for you. Literally, I felt very much, Tiffany, we're all rooting for you. Taylor, we're all rooting for you. Girl. I know. That's why it's when I see these reposts of like obviously very passive

aggressive things. Like even her statement was very, uh, that her, I guess, published or something put out very, you know, oh, another attention seeking desperate thing. It's like, yes, maybe. And we, and a lot of people see. that obviously like Moses and like half the internet like a lot of people are seeing that the timing of it all and the desperation yes we see that but it's like taking no accountability to be like this

was awful and I'm deeply embarrassed and like I think that should have been like the start of it rather than like you could have let the internet judge Dakota which they did and the people see that side but the fact that her statement was that and then the reposts are just like passive aggressive just like girl like trust me I'm seeing Dakota like he is also enemy of the state every man of dad talk minus you Connor you sweet. week king every jace maybe i don't know every other man in that group like i see it for you you are enemy of this state over here yes trust me so you don't want more of you convince me no one needs to convince me that dakota is a menace and diabolical and manipulative and he's planning every time

you get an opportunity he is there trying to make you self-destruct trust me yeah but at some point when it's been so many years and you see just how bad it gets you and you you have every opportunity. Like she has so much privilege. She has access to so many resources. Like, at some point, you gotta just like, we can't do all the work for you. Like, you have to help yourself. Help me help you. Yeah. That's what's the frustrating part. Because like you said, she has all the resources and the privilege. Think about all the people who like don't have that and are in some situations. And it's just, it's frustrating. And it's frustrating for everyone because you share your life, right? Like, I can't ask like, this is, this is what you want, right?

This is you're the influencer. You're the, you're on the reality shows. This is like what you do. and the thing is that so many people like you for in like you said all this stuff that's happened and it's like we can only do so much because then it just gets exhausting it's like it's like a friend in real life who just keeps going back to like at some point you just got to like cut it off and just be like I can't do this because this is like really sad to watch and dangerous and even like her eyes too the second he like does something to trigger her like you see the snap in her eyes like in Mormon wives like her eyes like in the way she goes off at everyone who like loves her and wants to like pull her out of it like she's snap. So like clearly she has like a rage issues truly. Yeah. And it's again, but when you see what your rage issues have like made you do at some point, it's like, how are we not? How are we not getting? Yes. It's really simple as like, and not simple because it takes me, I do so much work on it too because I have anger issues too. And it's like really recognizing like triggers and what to do to escalate your own triggers. Because someone could trigger you, right? There's so many people that trigger you. Maybe you're

justifiably like the victim and people are being awful. poking you for a reason, but it's like your responsibility to handle that and know how to deseculate that. And it's not easy. It's something you work on. I constantly work on it. I feel like I have it all together, but I constantly work on it in everyday life. Like little triggers.

It could be a food trigger. It could be anything. And some people would be like, oh my gosh, you sound so crazy. But it's like just recognizing what it is. And for me, it's like removing yourself from a situation, right? If something is that, sometimes you just need to calm down. I feel like sometimes you just need an hour. You need a little space go to sleep or something like that.

I don't know. Different triggers for different people. But there is help for it. You're not just going to be a messy girl for this is who I am. Like it's like, no, it's not. Like, there may be a chemical imbalance. But she's inside of the worst scenario for somebody like her because it's going from TikTok star to reality TV where that's all you've been compensated for and that's all

to encourage her to do. So there's nobody. It's not like she's in a reality TV about improving her mental health. It's a reality TV about drama. So all I'm saying it's like there's nobody around her. There's no situation where she'll get rewarded for being better. think that's so wrong too because I think of like Whitney Levitt or me right like my whole thing was if I was on the kitchen floor literally like if I was like on the kitchen floor I would make so much

money right and I was like no one's interested in me being happy like I think breakup songs when people write breakup songs they want you to be miserable no one's interested in when people are happy but I think that's so wrong and like this world we're living in now and the era that we're living in I think people want people I think like Whitney's a great example again I haven't watched the first seasons either so I don't know how horrible she was but I mean just like she just started like taking care of herself and stuff like that and just like whatever I think people want to say see that arc. Connor too, right? Connor, like, has admitted in past episodes, obviously, like, his addiction to corn and, like, you know, Tinder and all stuff like that. Like,

and people love him now because why? Because they, like, worked on it. Obviously, he got some help for it and stuff like that. And yeah, it was like a sh**ing to do, but like they're open about it. They're honest. And because they're doing better, people are like applauding it, right? Like a couple years ago, people are like Whitney sucks. Even on dancing with the stars, people were like, we hate her. Yeah. Me neither. Right. There was this whole campaign. We hate her. That's why she was six when she was like the best and the highest scores. But I think because she is, is doing so well and they're so supportive and stuff like that. I think people, I think people want to see it.

I think people think people think people think they want to see mess. And some people do. And I think that's why everyone was excited when she was the Bachelorette because there was an opportunity to get out of that toxic situation. Like you can still be entertained. There's so many other parts of her personality that are entertaining and fun that are not the toxic. Yeah. Yeah, she's funny.

She's cute. Like there is, she has a personality. And it was a guy, aside from that she has fans for just being her. Yeah. Like literally just being a mom and stuff. And like the other girls too like Whitney, Layla too, like at the end of season four, she starts documenting her treatment for her ED.

Yes, yes. So the other girls and like Michaela with her health struggles, like she's documenting that and trying to like recover from that and also like overcoming like her issues with like, I guess she was like abused, sexually abused. And Macy too. Like they were like abused and like overcoming that. So I think everyone is like seated for the journey and like wants that.

Yes. And that's kind of why it's like frustrating. especially her friends. Like her friends are like so supportive and like really trying so hard. And they try to come for her and they try to not trigger her. They find out information. They're trying to like, okay, they have strategy meetings. How are we going to break this news to Taylor?

Because like she got a leave for the bachelor right in four days. And like if we say this to her, maybe she won't go. Like they try so hard to like shield her from everything that is happening in Utah and Brovo, Utah. And nothing good is happening there, you guys. nothing good is happening truly i mean donny asman lives there maybe he's the only thing and the pickleball seems fun every now and then the pickleball tournament seems fun but like there's there's so much happening well they're coming to i heard now they're going to l a right everyone's moved to l a

i've heard that too i think um what's the name tow and jenn afflick they're here in lay i think macy's in i think that was Whitney and connor's plot like they were supposed to be moved to lay now they moved to chicago i heard aspen ovard right is supposed to be one of the new girls that rumor that's what those groups are saying that aspen over was supposed to be one of the new. Is she Mormon? I guess. Right.

She was married young. She's also a TikToker. Lesbian now. Oh, I didn't know. I think so. I think she's dating. And I think they were like in a thruple or something. Whoa.

I think I'm thinking of the right. I think I'm the right ass but has kids moved to the beach. Yes. Yeah. And it's so wild. You're just like, oh my God, just Mormon's gone wild. That's the new. That's the, that's the spinoff.

That's right. And I think Mormon wise specifically, they love to see the art because they were just regular people, right? Just like YouTubers or anything. When you see a regular person, like, achieve, like, dreams and stuff, it's, like, really inspiring. I think, like, love is blind and stuff. And, like, those, maybe they're seated for messier. Maybe, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't really watch it. You're kind of there for, like, the self-destruction. But you do grow an attachment to them. And you do kind of want the best for them. You don't want to see them be happy. Right. It's like, yes, the Coltons of the world will always be just a mess.

And he should just lean into that because that's you, I guess. But, like, I think with Mormon wife specifically, it is just like these, like, regular Mormon wives, you know, they were Mormon not anymore and whatever. And then they're achieving big things. And I always said that. I always think that's the most impressive things in 2020. Like no one knew who these people were. And then all of a sudden it's like they're the biggest.

Like Whitney's selling out Broadway every single night. And then all of them, they're all getting opportunities. Obviously, Taylor and all of them. But yeah, it's wasted. It's wasted. And it's like how many chances does someone get, right? It's like people will just get like sick of it. And there's always, people always want to see like a comeback, a redemption.

I think it could happen. And like I feel like always you have to start with your kids. Like do it for your like your kids because like this is all very. public and it's all very sad, you know, and they'll see it one day if they're not seeing it now. And she had a good co-parenting relationship with Tate, the father of her first two children. So the fact that he's reposting stuff and how, you know. And Miranda and Layla are issuing statements like why they don't want to film with her to. I think that's other big things that her friends who stood by her through the first, like in

2023, they stood by her through all that are now being like, look, we can't condone this. Like we don't want to be a part of it. So I think that's big too. We'll see what comes out of this second investigation. Again, Dakota is definitely a menace and also needs to be held accountable. And obviously, I mean, in my opinion, it's pretty obvious. He's working with like TMZ. And also Jordan, who was also, I could literally be at the gates of heaven if I pass away and I'll be like, hold that big eye.

I have to go back and deal with something. I don't even care if God is trying to embrace me into his arms at the gates of heaven. I'm coming back down as a spirit to haunt you, Jordan, nugget. I don't remember your last name, but Jordan, I came back to haunt you. I did, but I can't even pronounce it. Yeah. Because I know he also saw, because the day that TMZ report, she loses, uh, Taylor loses the bachelorette, Jordan's like, hold on, hold on.

I'm also filing for divorce from Jesse. Oh, I was like Jordan. Yes. Yes. And I'm like, this is the one who might go to jail allegedly. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. And I'm like, okay. Like literally it's the butterfly release all over again. Was he the butterfly person? Yes. No. We can't have a moment to process T.

TFP losing a bachelor. Yes. Oh my. He has to be like, oh, hold on, Timsy. Um, I'm also filing for divorce. Like, shut up. Like, shut up. Wait, he's the worst. I do not remember his face to save my life. I wish I had your brain because I hate that I know his face so well. Oh my God. His wife is the hairdresser, right? Yes, Jesse, shut out.

Who's gorgeous and she just said she hated her plastic surgery. It's like they're all real. Which I love. I love the women. The men are diabolical. Dakota, yes. Echo that sentiment. Dakota is triggering A.F. want everyone to know. Like, he is triggering. But again, it's like her responsibility to get away from it. He's awful.

So that should be a, I hope, like, he never gets a girlfriend again to quote more from traitors. It's like, he's awful. Like, he's awful. And he's in his sober journey. And during sobriety, like, it's all about like spirituality and just like being open to everything. The fact that he's like this in his sobriety, allegedly, I guess, someone had said that Taylor didn't want to lead. This is, I don't know if I should say this one.

I don't know. It was like this whole thing is that they might be using drugs together is what they suspected. and that maybe coming, going away for that long would be like the withdrawals. That was like just a rumor I heard online like whatever. But it may make sense or may give like reasoning behind maybe this kind of behavior in front of the kids if they were on some sort of substance besides just drinking. Because I think like alcohol, I mean, I've been drunk.

I've been blackout. I think you could have you have you have some aware. Obviously if you're like roof feed or something you don't but like you're not like throwing chairs. I think it's like you have some awareness as opposed to like maybe taking a substance. might be more, make you more erratic, maybe more blockout. Again, not an excuse, but it would make sense. And maybe that's why she didn't want to leave for so long.

Dakota's awful. Oh, what's his name? Jordan. Jordan. That is wild. It's like, I don't want him to. Maybe he did it. Are they friends?

Maybe he did it to take away some of the, like, on purpose to be like, let me put something else in there. The timing is crazy. It's like, oh, it just, it reminds me so much of the butterfly release. It was like, damn, here is Michaela trying to release the butterflies for Lottie June and the two other beautiful babies. And he had to take away the spotlight from Lottie June and the babies. Who's Lottie June? Mikaela's baby.

I just remember seeing the little sign that they made at the Sip and Sea. They made the little name cards with the baby's names. And I saw Lottie June. I was like, that's a cute name. I actually really love that name. I do like Lottie June. That's really cute. I like that.

And then, of course, like, someone else is like taking all the attention and he has to throw his house. in the ring too. Probably because he's allegedly going to jail according to his sister. Maybe he's like, I gotta get this out before I go. Yeah, I guess the T is, this is all kind of alleged. This is all very alleged, actually.

Jesse had been wanting to file for divorce and he was aware that she was going to do it, which in the show we see her going through the pre-nop and having the discussions like as the five-year curse because her last marriage also ended at five years. And they were celebrating the five-year anniversary. And I was like, and your last, Jordan.

Oh my God. They were already kind of hinting that it was going that way. But I guess like off camera, Jesse was talking to him about wanting a divorce. There was allegedly a rollout plan that she was going to go on call her daddy and like air everything out. For the divorce? Yeah, like the post-divorce press conference. And I guess the reporting is that Jordan kind of wanted to get ahead of it and filed first, like beat her to the actual filing. and then went to TMZ allegedly, but probably.

And he did give a statement to TMZ, and actually is pretty clear he did go to them. And there's like a clause in this new filing or whatever and that she can't go on podcast and talk about him. And then the rumors on TikTok is that because he's been spending money on things allegedly, such as escorts and other, like, gambling stuff and stuff like that. I don't actually think he will be. going to prison. I think he issued a statement to another TikToker who reached out to him and was like,

I have no idea what these prison allegations are. But the concept of it- pretty big-tickles me. I like the concept of him being behind bars and away from me. Jail. Well, you know, not to critique Mormonism too much, but it does seem like they restrict them a little too much and then they go a little wild. If it's like gambling and alcohol escort, you know what I mean? Yeah, they go, literally they go a little. Yeah. Swig. Right. Right. You still look from the Amish people, you know. Go off the grid. Yeah.

No, at 18, they give them an opportunity. Go live your life. Oh. If you like it, stay out. If you don't, come back to the community. I wouldn't mind being Amish, to be honest. Like, that is kind of nice. You're kind of just like not on social media and just no electricity and you're just like

bacon pies. It sounds kind of fun. I suppose. Like, it sounds simple in the best way where it's like there's probably no drama. You think there's Amish drama? Oh, I'm sure. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. That's all you have is the human connection. Like the lady whistle down. It's like gossip. Just like Bridgeton, yes. Right. You see, there's nothing to do.

It's an American Brigitian. Yeah, just a little gossip. Oh my God. We would thrive in that era and in the Amish world. We've had lots of goss. Where do you get the gossip if you can't get it from TikTok? You are the gossip. I like, yeah.

People just make up their own rumors about you? Yeah. And there'd be someone. I would be like a lady whistled down here because I can't keep it to myself. I love to chit chat. Did see who came out of the barn? with them. I love it. Yeah. Damn. I think I'd pick being Amish over being Mormon. From this, yeah, I think so. Because it's all kind of been a recipe for disaster. I think, right?

Looking at them, the only one still married, I guess, are, is Zach and Jen? I guess I'm Macon. And Macy and Jacob, too. Yeah. And that's it. And Winnie and in my head, she's already left, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's been gone. She's going back for dancing with the stars and that. I'm going, which is everyone now is like, no, it would make sense. Because everyone I'm kind of like judged her for that. Like, oh, you only came back for Danstar. I was like, yeah, because like, why else would I be? Yeah, messy.

And I love Whitney now. Again, it's crazy. I know. Me too. I can't fathom a week ago. I had no clue who these people were. And I watched all the season four since then. I wanted to start season one yesterday, but Darian said, we need to take a couple

days break because I was getting really worked up. Yeah. I was getting really worked up. It's a lot. I don't have even started it. I thought with most, maybe you should watch it to like get what we're like, obviously you get what we're talking about.

Like, get it. But then I'm like, Yeah, because once you see these girls in action, it really, it changes things. The perspective is crazy. And also the men are crazy. The men are crazy. Like, that's, to me, it's like, yeah. And Zap too posting during all of this.

I commented. I said, nobody cares. Nobody cares about this. What do he, God, what did he post? He's an enemy of the state. Yeah. He made fun of Connor in a recent TikTok. He said, I saw that with the magic.

He said, I'm going to get into magic, you guys. I'm picking up a hobby for myself. And then he flicked off the camera. I'm like, okay. Okay. Okay. I'm talking watching the two of you

I don't want to let them ruin my peace in life I'm keeping my peace I applaud you for that hashtag protect your peace and I if I could go back again to a week ago and tell myself one thing

I probably would say that because I have been it's your job baby you gotta be we got to be plugged in for this okay it's true it's a sacrifice it is my cross to carry

but damn damn I have been upset like I literally would watch it like before bed and it would take me hours to calm down because I was so mad yeah I was so mad even on TikTok I still keep seeing I'm like I don't I cannot see this anymore like obviously like yeah when there's updates like they're I'm sure there will be an update like you said tomorrow 1030 a.m there's gonna be like an update and it's been constant it changes and there could be videos of Dakota locking you in the car and then all of a sudden you changes you're just like what that you know there's so

much that just changes and stuff all the time but just based on what we see now it's just but you know there's still people like because is the bachelorette leaking clips someone said that they were like leaking clips to test the water because there was like a one at like was it a where were they a baseball game i don't know there were somewhere she was with somebody definitely the highest demand ever for a show yeah now to see the bachelorette i think it will go like on the dark web or something like people want to watch it yeah they want to see yeah i think they did the right thing could be when there's like a child involved right i feel like because the child was hit it was like okay because that wasn't that's new i think that's like the new thing that no one knew and obviously this open investigation that's

happening right now maybe but if it was heavily focused on her being a mom obviously that's where people are going to be like, yeah. I think it's right. I think, like you said, people would watch. We'd be all seated. I think it's like the right thing to do. The men, like people are already analyzing all the men that are on the show. Oh, someone else got arrested.

One of the guys that got arrested on there. And we can at Patreon because it's music. So basically the bachelor's winner, Doug, is an R&B singer. And we can. You know Doug? Oh, I know Doug. We can review songs and Patreon. Yeah.

Oh, he's a Patreon singer? No, he's a singer. but you just can't play music here. Oh, dude, I thought he was like selling his songs on Patreon. I'm like, love that. SoundCloud rapper. Yeah, they're all, they all have aspirations. I think Harry Jawsy, once again, bringing light into these situations is he said when he did,

what's his first show? I forgot too hot to handle. He said he moved from Australia to L.A. before it even aired with like no money or anything because he's like just like hoping the show to be successful and like banking on the opportunities you'd get. And I think that's why everyone does reality shows. I don't think like there's, I don't think someone goes on reality TV solely for love. I think like if you can find it great.

I feel like that's very us, right? Like if you can find it great. But I don't think anyone does it solely for that purpose. I think they all want a little, a little fame, a little bump in their business, whatever it is. I think they all want a little bit of that. So that does suck that now none of them get that because they do have to take time off work. They get like no pay, this whole, this whole thing. So I think in that sense, people feel bad for the guys.

But I never really feel bad for guys in general. Yeah. And there are, allegedly, the rumors, are that there are being optioned now for Bachelor in Paradise. So keep those dreams alive, boys. The people we haven't seen? Yeah. Nobody cares. Sorry, but, like, we don't care if we haven't seen you.

But I like that. This Doug, this winner. He's like, this is my time. His artist's name is Toned Bone. Awful. And literally the second you hear him sing, it's like, TFP, like, you are never going to escape the grips of, like, a corny white man, I fear. I fear.

Is it? Oh, crap. This music videos. It's rough. Okay. Patriot. Let's play. I need to hear.

That's embarrassing. The second I saw him sing and then also like the dancing and stuff, I was like, this is all making sense. And he's been issuing out statements in support of Taylor and stuff. And Taylor replied that she's grateful for his support and blah, blah, blah. But it's like. She chose you and went still went back to Dakota. Like, what are you doing?

Like, let's just stay silent on this one. I don't know. Like it's kind of wild. The whole thing is. It's a mess. It really, and literally there's just, it's been so much unfurling. And like, if you're not watching Mormon Wides right now, take it from me, you got, if you're strong enough, because it is really annoying and you will be annoyed if you're not watching it.

But if you love a mess and if you can, if you have mental capacity to take it on, watch it because it's really a changed my life. But like, everything's been happening to everyone all that once. Like, we have everything with Taylor. Okay, so that's one thing. And then again, everything. with Jessie now with her marriage, like what's going to happen after that? I do feel bad because, like, as the season, like, when she was doing all these little

activities to get Taylor ready and, like, practice for the Bachelorette, like, the speed dating and stuff, that woman's eyes had a lightness in her that I never saw with her husband. Like, you could tell she wishes she was Taylor, like, and having that opportunity to go on the Bachelorette and just, like, experience that. Like, you know how badly she wanted that. And Jesse, let's keep the hope alive. Maybe you'll be the Bachelorette, although there was rumors that, like, they were Yeah, there was a rumor that came out of nowhere,

but that Miranda and Layla could be the double bachelorette, because they have done the two bachelorette before. And I love those queens. Was Gabby a double bachelorette? Yeah, wasn't her? And there was one before that. It was Caitlin Bristow. I believe another bachelorette.

I was her, I believe, her and another brunette. Two brunettes were bacheloretts together at one point, too. Have you seen the connection of Nick Vile to the bachelorette? I did. He is. He takes responsibility for, like a true hate this word. I don't use it lightly, narcissist.

One person was responsible for Taylor Frankie Paul, just one. Well, it's happened. Taylor Frankie Paul is your next bachelor. You're welcome Bachelor Nation. You're welcome ABC. Your haters are trying to say that you have an inside source and that's the only reason that you got it right. What do you mean?

It was literally my idea three months ago. I gave him the idea. He is the source. I am the source. Do you not see his comment? They asked Nick. They literally are watching the ball out. They had the idea on their own, and then someone called me up just to be like, just so you know, three months ago, by the way.

Nick was like, this will save the franchise if you guys want to do it. Kill the franchise. You should. You should. Maybe I know a little bit about this world. I don't know. Producing, creating. You know.

It's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. I'm glad the people who make these decisions finally. Made a good one. Made a good one. Yeah. Hopefully don't f*** it up. was on the wrong side.

I just have so much bias against him. I hate to come on this because I just hate him. I just really do. And I can't be unbiased. So maybe give your unbiased thoughts on that. I don't know. Oh, I am fully biased. What a diabolical man.

And honestly, that's what you get. If they really listened to him and they took some advice from him, that's what you get. That's what you get. If you take your advice from someone who sucks, that's what's going to happen. It's going to explode in your face. So. You know, I'm happy that Nick Vial has a successful podcast. Obviously, you need to provide for your family.

And I feel like they should just stand there. Netlane. I love it for them. Honestly, if you have a vial fan and go into the vial files, like love it. They seem like they're doing well, whatever. I think everybody else needs to stop listening to them. I think if ABC took the bachelor's advice, sorry Netflix, but age of attraction is getting more diabolical. Did you see this week where the 60 year old man with the 23 year old was like, oh, I'm cool with your celibacy, but like then chastised her for what she would do versus, he's like, but if we're doing everything else, then you're not actually celibate. Like he was being so awful. He said he was okay with it, but then wasn't.

And then she's like, okay, so we're like good and we're just like go our separate ways. It was so insane, like the manipulation he was doing because she said she was celibate, but like let him do other things. But then he was like judging her for that. The show is awful. I don't know how to on. Like, honestly, they should have pulled this. I love how like The Bachelor gets canceled right. But this is also diabolical manipulative all that like, like borderline abusive in my opinion with these like older men and these younger girls like judging them on national TV for this stuff.

Like it looks so bad. It looks so bad. And I, you know, I just, you know, I don't want to like point the blame. But once again, if Nick Viol like created the show, it's like just stay. in your podcast world, we have fans. You know what I mean? Very much, you know, like ours too. I'll stay in this little lane.

We have our fans, whatever. That's where you need to do. Because the fact that he said he gave ABC the idea and they listened to him, allegedly, I guess. And then the age of attraction, it's like three strikes you're out. And I think we've had three, four, five, five, sorry. You know, the interview with the, you know, the, I think it's, I think five strikes you're out,

six strikes, I think we're done. Your fans can still like you, which is that's the beauty of the internet and the podcast. Like, you can have a podcast in your own fan base. And if you just stay in that corner, everything is great and you can make money. I think when you start to venture out it's like be open to judgment when I saw the interview with them and like the blue wall behind them just so uncomfortable

oh the precious junket just so crazy him just being like blaming her for the relationship she pursued me I don't know I didn't want it and I'm like ah she was 19 like you're weird you're weird and I don't like you and that

yeah watching that I just like ugh I just ugh in every way the arrogance of it all yeah the arrogance yeah he's just a menace Too many of these men are menaces. Zach, I cannot stand you, Jordan. I cannot stand you, Jordan. I cannot stand you, Zach.

Mason, I don't know what he did, but I know you saw Laila's TikTok about when she was talking about her ex-boyfriend. So Mason, I know you did something. Also, he was just always trying to tell her how to parent. Like, your kids should be, they're manipulating you. Meanwhile, not a father. Like, no kids.

Like, don't know you've been dating a year. Like, if anyone ever tried to say my kids were manipulating me, I mean, out, out. And, like, thankfully she left it's like, musty. But, like, out. Like, and then she was, like, no hard feelings. And then, like, a TikTok lighter, like, actually, hard feelings. Actually, he's the worst.

Yeah, I remember when you told me the story, I didn't know what she was. But now that I didn't know her, it's like, Layla, queen, I got your back. I will see you to the ends of the earth. Yes. New boobs and all. You look great. You do not need musties. She got signed to a modeling agency.

Her dream came true. Yes. Layla, you are queen. Michaela, love you two. Girl. You did do me a little dirty because literally Whitney came to the stem cell. to her stem cell treatment for our illness. But then

kind of just stood there as Jen was trying to eat Whitney up and I was like ladies, we gotta get serious. It's the get serious challenge. Mom talk. Like let us get involved in the get serious challenge. It's the new challenge where you try to be serious because we're kind of letting Jen

like run amok and trigger Whitney and make her look all kinds of crazy and like we got look Miranda shout out to you Miranda because Miranda did said actually Jen, that's true. Whitney had your back. So shout out Miranda for sticking it to her. But Jen was running amok and the girls let her do it. And Zach trying to say, this is what I said,

nobody cares this past weekend. He was trying to still bring up the drama of him going to meet up with Whitney. He's like, oh, he's like two truths in a lie. And he's like, oh, production had you go me. Did you see all that production had you go me? And like you, not that you wanted to, whatever. Like, just all this like, nobody cares anymore. You were awful.

You've been awful. You were the worst. You were mean to her for no reason. And like, you're awful. And your wife's a little awful, too. I have, I hope, I'm hoping she has redemption. Like, Jen, I feel like there's a little redemption. I think your husband just needs to, like, stay silent.

You can stay married to him, but we just don't want to see him. Yeah, because the problem is Zach has been doubling, tripling down on being a mess. He's like, yeah, this is who I am. I'm going to be this way. This is my wife. Whitney's a narcissist. Like, he keeps going on and on and on. First of all, it's very coincidental that everything that makes you look bad, you can blame on

production, but everything that we liked Gen for is her being herself. So which one is it? Is it production making look good? Because that's what he said. Every time someone brings up something nice Whitney did, that was production making her do it. Really? So you could say the same thing for you. Also, again, shout out to Miranda because Miranda has also chined

in on this discourse and said production has never made them do something that they didn't want to do. Shout up Miranda. She's keeping everyone at 100. I think she has the book deal. I think she's the first one from when I heard through a great fine. I think she does. I think Miranda's the first one because I think she's the one who's one of her first fathers of her children died in an accident. No, that's Macy.

Okay, that one I think has a book. Yes. Miranda is. Miranda is the one who was with Chase. Her friend is Shania. Sheenaia is the one that hooked up with Dakota. Yes. Girl.

I mean, these women. It's a mess. Yeah, Zach has just been going on and on and on trying to drag everyone else with the mind. Zach is the worst. Like, just stop. You're not surprised. I think he thinks he's given Spencer Pratt in the Hill's villain and it's like, you're not.

You're not, you're not even close. There's nothing. It's corny. It's corny. It's corny. And just like half-hast and like meek and it's just like, okay, if you're going to be a villain, be a villain. But like, you're doing it to women and just like a bully look weird. Yeah, so weird.

And that's supportive husband. You're not even supportive to her on camera. It's like, whatever. But at least to have your wife's back if you're going to be like this tough macho guy, whatever. But the fact that you're like threatened by everything she does is giving me. I think he was trying to stir the pot to get Jen to not want to be in L.A. That's my theory because the concept of him being stuck in L.

with like her working and being on dancing with the stars or other shows she wants to do music and stuff i think he was really riling her up and getting her to not be into that lifestyle because he wanted to go back to utah and he wanted to be back to be back with dad talk so he didn't want to be stuck with the kids while she was out living her dream so i think he was ruffling her feathers and really getting things going to make her to spiral a little bit so she would want to go back to utah and give up the la dream that is my thesis but i think they're here i think they're at the beach i think they moved i know I saw that too, but she's still making music and all that. So we'll see what kind of music does she make?

She's just been teasing though she's in the studio. Oh, I love that. I want to see it. I want to see it too. What kind of music do you think she makes? Pop music? I'm wondering, like, are you going to be a pop girl or what exactly are you going to give? I don't know.

But it's rough because you got it when everyone back. But the thing is they stood 10 toes down and like, this is what who we are. And I don't care if it's not popular to be against Whitney. I'm standing on business, blah, blah, blah. Well, girl, now you have to deal with the repercussions of that and everyone's disliking you. I didn't even go after I watched the finale. I'm like, am I crazy? Like, do people like her?

Are they rooting for it? And I had to go to the comments on their TikToks and Instagram and everyone's saying the same thing, which was very validating. So. Yes. Thank God. What a f*** mess. I cannot stand you. Jen, I'm still rooting for you.

You're a beautiful girl. Like, I look at her face. And I look gorgeous skin. So pretty. I love like her talking voice. Like, she's so cute. Yes. I am rooting for you.

You got to leave the man. He is bringing you down. He looks like an evil Pixar character. He looks like the evil villain in a Pixar movie. He is like diabolical. He's nasty. He is, I think the root of your insecurities comes from him. Why you're mad at Whitney is because your man is whispering diabolical things in two years.

Yes. I think that's the reality, right? She's just obviously jealous, not even like of Whitney's opportunities. It's like the fact that she can get those opportunities because she has a supportive husband. Because they both have three kids, little kids at that. And if you don't have. And her dream was dancing with the stars. No one else got to have the dream.

Whitney, you knew. You knew her dream. dancing with the stars and you dared be on the show. As if Whitney's not the reason you got eliminated. If anything, maybe be mad at Andy. Andy's the one who could barely do a little one two step. He was the one that was really in

your way. Like, you were sabotaging you. You should have been him. Like, Whitney was getting better scores than you. Like, why are you met at Whitney and not like Andy who was actually bad, but the Fandies were out there making sure he got higher, you know? Or your husband who's like, wow, you're dancing with the yawn in front of the castle at Disneyland.

It's like, yeah, because that's our promotion. That's what we need to do. you dumb. Like that makes me so mad. He was sabotaging her. The fact that he was mad about that. That's crazy. And there's a clip of Yon, I think on a TikTok live. She says something like one of the, I don't know what she says like

a rough day or whatever or like something about Disneyland and he's like, oh, no, not that. Like he was like triggered by it. You know what I mean? Like something like being, it was awful. And it was probably because her crazy husband was just like jealous of like, it's just weird. He sabotages her. From what we've seen on the show, he's sabotaging you girl. I hope not if he worked together, great, but just keep him

off our feeds and our screens. We do not want to see him. Take away his TikTok. Take away. I wish I worked at TikTok where I could just take away. I know. Me too. Freedom of speech except for our dad talk.

Yeah. And Nick Baio. Musil. Nick Val can have freedom speech on his podcast, but don't go anywhere else and disrupt all these women and these poor young women. Stay out of women's business. Yes. Age of Attraction.

Okay. It just screams perve to me. If you did a show called Age of Attraction, where all the old men and young men, they all want young girls. These old women are like fighting for their life. here. It's just like, it's awful. It's, it's, it's giving perve. It's giving disgusting. It's raw. But Whitney, girl, you are a sister to me. She's a client. She's a client of mine now

officially. She's been a client of mine. T. I've been, you know. You've been speaking the truth. I've been loving. I'm with you. Like a year ago, I was like, I remember right before she'd dance in a star is like, we had a booker and it's like, oh, would you like, Whitney? And I didn't know much about her. And then like, it was too late by him. I'm like, I want Whitney. And then it's like she's a mega superstar. So it's amazing to see, uh, we're, we're, we're. she's, you know, all come from. People made a very good point, too, how much they canceled Whitney for her

RSV, Nicky you dance. Did you remember that? Like, people came so hard for her, not, like, one defense of her. The fact that she, like, took her child to the hospital because, you know, like, there's so many, like, good things that she did,

but they, like, criticize her so much for that. And then, like, Taylor Frankie Paul literally has a video of her. That's all I knew her for. Huh? That's all. The RSD dance.

Me too. That's all anywhere. And people, and me, I'm a jump on that band I'm going to everyone's like, oh my God, this is so cringy, but it's like... But also she's one that, speaking of, had that, like, whole character arc, though, like where she was, you know, kind of a menace. Yeah, like, she did that.

Also, the other girls didn't like her, and then she had to, like, kind of prove herself as a friend to them, and she did, and that we see her being sweet to everyone and show up for everyone, even, like, jeopardizing her own mental out to go fly back and forth, Utah and LA to kind of show up for all the other girls. And we see that, and that's why we like her. That's why we love her. And very, very that. It's like, but just keep the same energy.

If you're canceling for something a little insignificant, whatever, you know what I mean? And poor taste. Yeah, I mean, she's had a baby. You're not really thinking clearly whatever. So yes. But Taylor Frankie Paul has like this video of her like where a chair she threw here for her child. And it's like people are like, well, you know, I don't know.

People just don't keep the same energy. But we do love a character arc. And even Taylor Frankie Paul, like you said, it's like never, it's never too late. And I think with her, you can only be given so many chances, especially with the same person with Dakota. Like if this incident happened again. It's like, everyone needs help in this situation. Like, it's like you can't, it's weird

because you can get restraining words and stuff, but there's nothing you can actually do to keep people apart from each other. Like, there's nothing. Like, you know what I mean? And it's just like, it's just like so frustrating. You gotta just remove yourself from. Yeah, I just, I don't get it.

And she has lots of suitors. We've seen it on the show. There's that cute guy from TikTok and all these people. There's no shortage of men for her. Yeah, too. She just pop on a TikTok live. See a white boy singing. She's like, come to Provo, Utah.

Come stay with me. Like, girl, shout out Ben. He's so sweet, but Jesus. Ben is the winner? That one, the TikTok Live got it in the show. Oh, oh, right. Yeah, Doug is the winner. Doug is the winner.

The singer. It's hard to keep all these. What's his name? Toma. What's his singing name? Tone Bone. Tone Bone. Awful.

I really hate all men, except for the men here. Ben and Tone Bone do look similar. She has a type. Like you said, Courtney. She does. very much have a type. Maybe she should date Benson Boone. That's her type.

That might be, yeah. What's he doing? He's not doing much right now. I think he was just on tour, but yeah. He's like, the Limboss. Taco Bell. He's a ton. I was like, love that he's there.

I don't get invited. That's one brand I like to work with that. It's too funny. It was good. Yeah. All right. Well, we had an hour and a half of more than why I'm so sorry this whole episode. I know.

Apologies to anyone who's not into it, but my God, I had a lot to get off my chest today. That was rough. Maybe, um, Jojo C-I should be the new bachelor. Oh, I wasn't supposed to mention her. I wanted it to be Michaela so bad, you guys. I literally was like. Michaela Nguera.

Yeah, sorry, yes. Oh. Double-micholas? Double-bacela. Both spelled the same. Yeah. Speaking of really quick before I get into that, but Michaela from Mormon-wise did did her, well, she did a TikTok where she used Michaela and Nigeras like, I'm getting a divorce.

Oh, with the TikTok. the Taco Bell fries she's eating yeah and then jace walks behind her oh no oh that it came out I think yesterday who's Jace her estranged husband yeah not the one she's divorcing she's divorcing Jordan no that's Jesse who's divorcing

Joanne Mckela's the one she's 25 she's one who's has a sickness and she gave birth to 20 June oh okay and yeah Jace is her husband with the curly hair oh yes the quiet one with the curly hair they're gonna divorce or just they're strange except separated estranged right now. So like, just kidding.

Look at it. He's behind me. But she used his, Michaela from women wives used the, I'm getting a divorce sound. But is she getting divorced? People, people are like,

is this like a clue that you're getting divorced? Bad, a manifestation out there. Don't, you know what I mean? Like, that's why I don't know if I liked you or not because he also did a TikTok where

he was like with his kids to like a sound where like the kids were like slapping him and the text was like, Mormon Wise fans having to watch Dad Talk this season. and he was like taped and like on a chair or whatever and the kids were like slapping him I thought it was funny he made me cool but nothing he does is

but I also don't know who he is I can't remember his face either that's not the one who released the butterflies no that's Jordan Jesus so many J's and M's I know he also doesn't have much of a personality he's pretty quiet but he's the one that like they're having intimacy issues because he like

wants to have sex but she is unable to Michaela oh yeah because they have Because she has a health problem. She has health problems. And then also she is like, like overcoming the trauma from like when she was younger and stuff to you. So it's like, yeah, the two, the double thing.

I think that one, it's like men, you need to like suck it up while they work through it. You know what I mean? Like you can go. At least to his benefit, he is. Yeah. Michaela is the one that said that maybe they should separate because while she kind of figures it out. So. But the guy is, I think she was 16 and he was.

Yes. Yes. Right. What was he 20 or something when they go? 21. I want to say yeah, like, 21 at least. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I don't know how to feel about Jays, but from what I saw this season, he was okay. Okay. But I don't know.

I forgot who that is, but I don't know, which some well. We're going to print out a map. I really do. Did it? Did it? Jimmy made one. He made like, was it like Jace Kirk you did? The one that I'll make one here so we can point to you.

We need to be talking about. Can you send me the high res? Jimmy, I put it on a mixed tile. I'll put it right behind. Because I was, Jimmy doesn't watch so, but he's been researching. I will give him that. But when I was like, okay, I'm like, usually I keep him links to footage or photos, whatever. But this time I was like, I need to label this all like in the drive so he knows.

So I was like, Charlie Kirk won, the gay one. Did you do it? Yeah, I labeled it for him. Oh, that's so funny. That was good. So he could know based on like how we bring them up. So I'll have to put like Zach Toe. It is a lot.

I watch it and I really just don't know any of them. Except for doing it. Why? Because Dakota is the worst. And he, I will stand by that. Dakota is the worst. And Connor for being the best. Yes.

Connor the best easily Dakota you suck and nobody wants to see you on the next season so take note of that Mormon rights if they do come back we can you know We can't need a fresh start I fear I think we're gonna have to take the girls who want to move to L.A spin off put Aspen in there and then give us something because it's like I don't know how we can deal

how can we how is mom talking to recover from this? I don't know but it's been a mess but anyway all that to say Michaela McGeara I was mad because I really was thinking like maybe she can't get the bachelor's right but now she's confirmed who her new boyfriend is and everything. Real? So, yeah, she's, um, do you remember that TikTok she did last year where she's like, I went back

and I saw a friend from high school and it made me realize that like, I don't want to be to live the influence of life anymore. Oh, no. That was a guy? That was a crazy accident that you went into. That was like newsies from the 1920s. That friend was a guy? Was it man? We didn't know at the time, but this was the guy she's seeing now. And also, because people have investigated. I did see the twins. Yes, with the twins.

shout out to whoever was bored enough to go investigate Michaela Negerra's storytimes. I don't know if we should shout those people out. That scares me. Like, what are you doing? You just so... That is hilarious to me. No, I think it's a little psychotic

because he's like private. It's crazy, but it's hilarious. To me, as a person... She gets a lot of clues. As a password, yeah. And she's, I mean, she's the one that did the story time. Storytime, when I dated one twid and he pissed me off, so I dated his other twin.

You know, you know the lore. So that is kind of funny. to me. Anyway, she did confirm she's dating one of the twins, her old high school sweetheart. And she said that she's not going to divulge too much information. I feel like we've got a lot. I feel like we know all the tea. We know everything. We know everything about this person. She's like, I'm going to keep a pretty private, but you guys are right.

I have such a soft spot for her. I'm like, girl, you share whatever you want to share. But you can say you're private. It's so wild to me. But then I was like, damn, I really could have seen her as a bachelor. I would have like, honestly. me being the Nick Vile telling ABC gosh, Michaela McGarra.

Well, you have it on record here if she gets casted. She is in L.A. this week for the Hannah Montana premiere, so I'd get ready with me. Everyone is kind of gag. It is tonight. The Hannah Montana premiere. I did get an invite. I cannot go tonight. I did get an invite. It's big. I guess I can say it's already passed at the Gromyn's

theater. That's huge. But it's just like a reunion special. It's not even like a movie or TV or anything. I know. She's a performance in three songs. She is releasing a new song. I believe is Hannah Montana maybe, I believe. It's like a new Hannah Montana song. Like a single that she was releasing.

So is she going to do a repo? What is this all? Just a retrospect, if you will. Just paying homage. She did, she re-recorded Best of Both Worlds, a la like Taylor's version. We got Best of Both Worlds, Miley's version, I assume.

And it's like just a little bit of a retrospective going back to the set and stuff. And she's in full. Hannah, Hannah wardrobe. I kind of live for it. I forgot how much I lived for Hannah Montana. They did. When I had texted you a while ago, they didn't invite us to the set, but it was like

the same day. Yeah. And I was to go see the set. And Miley wasn't going to be there or anything like that. And I was like, I wanted to go because Tanna went and I wanted and she brought some friends that like Tana Montana, like one of her really close friends like didn't. I would have gone just like had brought you. But it was like the day of.

And I was like, oh, I don't know if I can do it. But everyone is like very emotional about this. I'm so not in the Hannah Montana world. But like Michaela. I want to say Brought a chicken fry. I don't know. wasn't branded out, but I feel like there's so many, Tanna, like, they're like emotional about this. Like, I know Tanna's coming back tonight to, like, go to the premiere. Like, people are really

like, crying over this. Like, what, what's the big deal? But like, like, tell me, I don't know. I'm not trying to be like, what's the big deal? I want to know why. I think it's just like kind of paying respects to the character and the show because it did like raise so many people and it was such like a pivotal part of like so many kids' childhood. But what was it about the show? Was there something? I think it's like the concept. of it being like the show about a girl trying to juggle like both things but also like the music because the music was like it was good kid music like it was the pop bangers for sure but also like the lyrics are very much like who said you can't be anything you want to be like this is a life

like be grateful for it you have like love your family cherish these moments as you go what's the love your family song what's that one how's it go uh i'm ready butterfly fly away spread your wings as you can't stay make you take those dreams make them out come true basically it was like her having to uh you know fly away yeah from when kids leave fly uh you know fly from the nest is kind of that that vibe do you see the interview she was young she was like maybe i don't know when it probably first started because she looked really young in it where she's interviewing her dad you haven't seen it and he's like what's the best part about doing this show and he's like getting to do with my daughter she's like what's the worst part we're doing the show he's like getting to do it with my daughter is that

I was like weird. It was very weird. She looks at the camera just like scared. He's a little off, huh? Billy Ray a little bit. Yeah, I'm surprised she filmed with him for the special. She did? Yeah, because they kind of had a strange relationship a little bit.

But he did come back to film a little something on the special. Are you happy about that? As a fan? I never really care for Billy Ray. Like, I remember it was a big deal when the show was announced because like my mom was a Billy Ray Cyrus fan. So it kind of like helped. I was like, mom, look. like this new Disney show and he's in it.

You know him and she liked him so like we'd watch it together because of that. That's cool. So it kind of was like a generational gap, I guess. So that element is cool that I never really cared about the mullet song or anything of that. What's the Mollet song? I want my mullet back. He always made references to that song and his mullet. He had one shot.

He kept to going. I do like when people have that one song and they're going to just like write it from her. Yeah. I will sing the song for the rest of my life. Yeah. That's something I suppose. Okay. But the other, the boy isn't back.

The brother. Jackson. I think they're all back. I would assume the only one is like maybe Mitchell Musil, because I think he has some allegations or something. But the whole cast is supposed to be there tonight. I guess we'll see. I think Billy Ray Cyrus has some allegations. Oh yeah, with his ex. Like fire starter? Yes. Um, so that's a whole thing. I mean, people do pick and choose who we care about allegations from. But all right. This is the one Alex Cooper's hosting. Yeah. I saw the wand. I saw her recreating the wand thing. Oh, yeah. Hannah Montana, Miley is Hannah.

I like that people are into it. I like when people get really, like, Michaela's flying from Boston for this. You know, I like when people are really passionate. Tana, too, she gets really emotional talking about it. And that's why I genuinely want to know and I don't want to ask her. Be like, why? But, like, I just like, I know she gets emotional.

She's like, you know, it's like the reason I wanted to like, you know, do YouTube and like leave Vegas and, like start my own thing. Like, she was really inspired by it. So I'm like, you know, watch the show. Maybe need to get inspired. Maybe the kids would like, I mean, maybe they're too young, actually. But the music is good. Like if you played the little music videos, I feel like they would like it because it's like cute music.

It's like, I don't know, it's wholesome. Is it? It's like a vibe. Yeah. I still be listening to those songs when I need a little like pick me up just a vibe and they still hit. Okay. Maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I'm past it.

But maybe when my kids are older, I'd be like, let's watch this show. It's pretty good. I haven't actually gone back to watch it in a long time, but I was seated for every damn episode back in the day. But what are they going to show at Gromman's tonight? Just the interview? It's the pre, it's the premiere. So yeah, they'll play the special. Miley goes back to like the original set.

And then she's like, I don't know, it's like a retrospective, a look back. Are you guys going? Is your work going? Yes, E.T. Denny Director will be there. I should actually let him know to interview Michaela. I wrote influence of questions. That way of your eyes started.

I know. I was like, wait, Jenny, emergency. Michaela Naga is going to be there. We need, forget Miley. We need 20 questions. An exclusive 30 minute interview with Mikaela. Like, say, girl, let Miley walk on by. Kayla is where it's at.

I almost said yes to see if they let me host the carpet. Sometimes when I say yes to a premiere, like actually would you want to host it. Always. Always happens. Like wicked. And the moment was just an invite. And then they're like, you want to.

So I almost did for that. But I really can't go. Otherwise I thought maybe because everyone is very gagged to go. I feel like it's going to be a big one tonight because like every influencer I know. Yeah. Everyone's been getting the suitcases with all the PR in there. I haven't seen the suitcase. It's like an away suitcase with like Hannah Montana merch in there and like a script or something.

Can you send us one so I can give it to Oscar? Or Central Oscar. Because I really wanted to do something with it because of you. It's like literally both days. I like could not. And I was like, oh man. And I know you like, do you like love Hannah or not that much? You don't love.

I loved Hannah Montana. I don't have the visceral response that like Tanamojo and Michaela have. Like I loved it. Like if I wanted to go, I could have asked E.T. Like I. Okay. You know, like. You're not that invested then.

I'm invested like I'm excited. But I'm not like crying and shaking over it. Like I think. I mean, it was such a huge part of, like, my teens. I'm trying to think what would really gag me. I mean, the last thing I was, like, told my work I needed to go to was, like, Olivia Rodriguez. I feel like it's, like, the current stuff.

I think I just, my hyper fixations now are just, they take over so much that, like, I can't afford to really go back. I love a nostalgia of it all. I do, but I, I'm very invested in the present pop girls. Like, my roster, my client roster right now, I'm very invested in. Whitney is the newest edition. Chicago is playing on Monday nights. Usually Broadway's closed on Monday nights.

I mean, there for literally less than 24 hours in New York, but I'm like, I might be able to make it to a Monday night showing. I think you got to go. And that would be the one where I'm like, if you don't get a damn video message from my queen, Whitney. Whitney, okay. Who I've only known for one week, but I adore him what died for. No, I love her.

I went back and I went back and I went back on the pot, come we get her on the pot. She's busy being. I think she's so stunning. Damn, that Bob she hadn't season one was crazy, but we've come a long way Whitney and you look amazing now. She does. That Bob was crazy.

That Bob was great. The little flip was nuts. If I interview her, I'm going to get that wig. It's crazy, but I liked it. It was different. I need you to cost for that. Oh, that was everything. Her little flip.

It didn't make her stand out, but. They should put her in the center next season because I'm so tired of Taylor being in the center. I do not think she's coming back. I really don't. Yeah. No, she had to be filming now. She's like in New York. I don't know.

She needs that book deal. Her movie's coming out. She commented on someone's TikTok or whatever. Whitney needs her own spinoff or something to document her life in New York and she left eye emojis. Oh, so that's probably happening. Oh, she's getting her own show. Maybe. I would watch it.

I would watch it too. I don't think I would watch anyone else's own spin off. I would watch hers. It's hard though because like you said, like you said earlier, it's like we love the redemption arc. But it is hard, I think, right? Because, okay, like thinking about this last season, then we'll move on for more when I was. much about it. But last season, too, they only had dancing with stars for such a little part of it. And everything around it was just drama. So, like, I get what you mean with that.

Where it's like, we do want to see it. I'm trying to think of reality show where it's just like happy and like no drama. Like, because reality TV, I know what you're saying. Like in general once that drama. So I do like drama. But like the friend group itself, like the interdynamics of like supporting each other and everything. Like that's the kind of drama. When it gets too real and too toxic. Yeah. Like it just becomes draining. Like towards the end when she was still, like going back to Dakota and when again her eyes like there's a switch that flips when Dakota triggers her by going to like the two people that would really piss her off if he got with like there's such a switch and it just becomes so dark that I'm like this is like really

not enjoyable yeah but I love when it's like we're fighting the dad talks I like when Whitney's going off on Jen like I was waiting the whole season for Whitney to snap on Jen like I was so excited for that now that was reactive when Jen was like see you're the one it's It's like, you just, you just pushed. You just pushed. Anyways, I'm ready for those books. Get the memoirs. I'm sure they do.

Memoirs do take a long time, like publishing all this. Like that does take, even when the manuscript's done, it's like another like six months. So I guess Macy, is that the first one? Yeah. Macy's is out. I would read a book from just about anyone, to be honest. I do kind of want to get Macy. Sure sounds good.

I feel like they all got tales to tell, though. Yeah. We're here for all of them. And the other big drama over the weekend was the Chapel Rhone versus the 11-year-old in Brazil. I know, most like, you see the Chopin-R-R-I'm like, that's all that's been my entire Twitter. Like, that's all that it's, it's, it's, it's,

this is, this house has a lot of ups. There's, there's so much. There's always new developments with this too. Yeah, so many plots twice with this, too. People also very divisive. This was a very big week slash weekend for just people really being 10 toes down on one side or the other. Yeah, no common ground.

No common ground, but I, yeah, I think there's more hate for Chapel Roan than there is for Taylor and Dakota combined. I think this hate train has never been, it's a freight train. It is trying to take her down, demolish every single way. It is wild, yeah. I guess in case you missed it somehow. Over the weekend, soccer player, God, I'm going to pronounce his name wrong.

I'm so sorry, but Horino, Horino. Accused Chaparona of mistreating his 11-year-old daughter, who was in Brazil to see Chappo perform at a music festival in Lollapalooza and, South Paulo. Looked insane, by the way, I wish I wasn't invited to perform here. Addison Ray performing Diapubse in front of horrible. I know.

The lineup was Gaga Tronda. You had Chapel, Olivia, Rodrigo, Katzai, Addison Ray. Mama, that is a place for legend. That was. Abrigato, Brazil. That was fierce. And so wild because, yeah, it is also Jude Law's biological daughter

as well, which is the craziest part. Yeah. So basically, this 11-year-old is a Nepo baby. So like that's kind of like, that's kind of the gag because I don't think it would have been a big deal. Obviously as a soccer player, he has a big, uh, Horino has a big platform. But then when people realize it was also Jude Law's daughter too that adds like a whole element of like. He's a biological.

So it doesn't mean they're, he's estranged. No, he still, he has kids with a lot of different. I lived it up. He has like seven kids. Yes. But I think he's, he talks well about all of them as if he still has a good relationship with them. So as I think. And I think from what I read, still as a co-parents.

with or you know pretty well from what I read um but yeah so he blasted chapel on instagram stories really at it all out said this morning my daughter woke up incredibly excited she even made a sign because she was so happy to see an artist she really admires or used to admire by coincidence my wife and daughter are staying at the same hotel as this artist during breakfast the artist walked past their table my daughter like any child recognized her got excited and just wanted to make sure it was really her and the worst part is she didn't even approach her she simply walked past the table looked to confirm was her smiled and went back to sit with her mom she didn't say anything didn't ask for anything what happened next was completely disproportionate and he said a large security guard

approached the table and threatened to report her uh the mom and her daughter for being disrespectful so that was the guy did he chaparone or how do people know it was her um he said chaparone oh he did I'd say that the artist. Yeah. He ended by addressing chapel directly. And he said and told her, without your fans, you would be nothing. And to the fans, she does not deserve your affection at Chaparone. Okay.

Kind of wild, right? Yeah. I mean, I, see, instantly I was like, oh, cross. You know, I am a Chapel Roe, Chapoone defender, 10 toes down. Yes. Every time she's had a little, like, you know, scum. with anyone who is just like invading her space, whatever. I've always been on her side because, yeah, she deserves to be setting boundaries.

Also, quick sidebar. The one that we defended her against last time, the guy in, I believe, Paris. Yes. He was, he's like a serial harasser because then he just did it to Rosalia. And Rosalia couldn't get away from him. So I do stand with her on that when she, like, filmed him and whatever. Moses saw that too, that he was doing it to multiple people over there and they just don't leave them alone all that wrong. Like, like literal following stalking them, harassing them.

And people are just like, no, you got to like, leave us alone and they just don't. Yes. So I don't blame her for the last time. When I read this one, I was like, oh girl, I don't know what I can say about this. Like if it's an 11 year old, like if that actually happened. Because also like I remember being so young and being like a stand of everyone and being so excited. Like, you know, whatever, Ashley Tisda, with a mom drama, whatever. But when I met Ashley Tisdale at like 14 years old and she was like very, at least cordial. And you know, and nice, like, I, that made my whole life. Like, I was so happy. It was the best experience ever and i was thinking like if she was nasty to me oh my god i don't think i ever

would have gotten over it kendall jenner when i saw her at the northstrom she kind of gave me a look and i haven't forgotten about that and what was the look and how old were you i passed her i was in high school she was also oh she's younger than me yeah so i was maybe a sophomore so maybe she was a junior so maybe she was a freshman um and she just gave me i think she thought i was like trying to get on her yeah like i walked past her to go because she was in the shoe section the men's apartment is behind the women's shoe section. So I passed her, but I think she thought I was like trying to, I don't know, talk to her

or something. Yeah, so she gave me like a weird look and I never forgot it. So if I was this 11 year old who was a stand, like literally went, made a sign. There was photos of her like at the festival for other artists. I'm like, that would have like devastated me. I think it's to this day my

fear, huge fear of rejection stems from me being I was eight years old when I was told by a celebrity's to get the from out of here at a hotel. And my dad, we were eating breakfast at the hotel. No. It was up in Oakland, when it was the Oakland A's, are they still there?

And we love the Cleveland. I guess I can, he's not really like a celebrity. His name was Albert Bell, and he was having breakfast with Tony Pena. And like, I was like eight. And so my dad would send me to go get these balls signed by baseball players. And like, baseball players are notorious for like if you go up to them. Like, they're always going to sign for a kid. This was at the hotel during breakfast.

This is shocking. But I know. When I heard the story, it's kind of like, but I just remember sobbing. I didn't know Albert Bell. Like, I did not know Tony Payne yet. I guess there's like the catcher or something for the Indians at times. It's like in the 90s, like 95. I didn't know, but I just remember being like sobbing because the security guard was like

intimidating. Obviously, we went up and they just like block you kind of like blue where they're just like block. Get the fuck out of here. And I remember being like eight like not even knowing. It's like crying sobbing. And I couldn't even like tell my dad what happened. He was like right there because we're having breakfast and stuff. But like it was it was so traumatic.

And I really. And after it like it's weird because. because like I always had, I hated rejection. And then when I heard the story, like, it triggered that. I was like, that should be a memory. I was like, wait, that happened to me. Like, that's so weird. I know that sounds like crazy, but it did.

And I was just like, that same thing happened to me. And it was at the hotel. And we would stay, I guess, I don't know if this is like to their defense or whatever. We would stay at hotels, like the fanciest hotels in town knowing that the baseball players would stay there. So they're coming from Cleveland to Oakland, right? So my dad would put us at the fancy hotels because he knew the baseball players were there. So the chances of running into them at the elevators was like high.

And same thing. like Cleveland, there's only one fancy one, the Ritz Hotel. So if you want to see basketball players, they're going to stay at the Ritz. So we'd always, like, do this little thing to meet them. So I guess to like this little girl, too, she was there to meet celebrities because she had one with like Lewis Capaldi and stuff. I think the gag is like that's where the rich people stay and she, her family's rich. So.

Right. Oh, so you don't think it was to see the artist there. I think she would like genuinely like just stay at the same hotel because they're both of the same statues. Yeah, exactly. But she had a sign, you said. She made a sign for the concert. show to bring to the show.

Oh, I see. So you're like, oh, right. Okay. Okay. So right. They just like a fancy hotel and they just happen to be there. All right.

Yeah. But yeah, like, I, that's why like I can't imagine how traumatic that is. Like I think, of course, like, yeah, obviously boundaries and everything. But I think when it's a kid, like an overly excited kid,

you kind of have to like throw all that out of the window. Well, back to the bluey thing too. It's like our one and a half year old like Elvis running up to Bluey and then the security like putting his hands up to like so that she would run into his arm and she like fell down. Like, yes, boundaries, right? because they're not supposed to go up to bluey right away, but there is like ways of being like, hey, like,

I don't know, stay back without having to like, you know, put your arms out, whatever. I think kids is like, you handle them differently, the tactics of it all. I agree, yeah. Yeah. And but also to Albert Bell's credit, maybe he didn't know his security was like, no, no, get that you know what I mean? Like maybe he didn't. Maybe there's a thing that's say if there's a fan that comes up, just always say this.

Who knows? But there could be a chance. Maybe they don't know how they're reacting. Anyways, I had a lot to think about this, too. I was like, oh, my God. And I was with you, too. I was the original war. I'm just like, child, oh, we can't keep defending.

But then mine kind of switched, too, with the updates. Yeah, after that, she posted to her Instagram stories. And she said, I didn't even see a woman in a child. No one came out to me. No one bothered me. I was just sitting at breakfast at my hotel. I did not ask my security guard to go up and talk to this mother and child. They did not come out to me.

They weren't doing anything. It's unfair for security to just assume someone doesn't have good intentions when they have no reason to be. believe because there's no action even taken. Um, and she did apologize and say, I am so sorry to the mother and child that someone was assuming that you would do something. And if you felt uncomfortable, that makes me really sad. You did not deserve that. Um, this was the one more she's hanging by with no makeup. Yes. People did not like this respond. No, people did not like it at all. People, this is, she gets like the Whitney Love at treat me a little bit in this way where people

be like, wow, so smug even in this. Oh, get up. Why are you laying down for this? Like, people really just do want to like hate to hate. They're like, this is not enough, you know? Yeah, it's heat. Like it kind of made sense to me, like her statement. Like I could see the security just being like over the top. But I will say they probably have the directive too. It was like she's very strict about like the boundary.

So make sure. Again, maybe it's not coming for her specifically. But they were probably told that make sure you're on your A game. Like do not let anyone, you know, come out and get too close or whatever. So I could see that and also the security guard just taking it. too far. So yeah, there is a good chance she didn't know about it. To be honest, if I was her, I would go straight up to that hotel, the front desk.

I'd be like, give me the security tapes from this past Saturday. Because I need to clear my damn name. Because there's just a lot of people who are not going to believe her that she didn't know, or it wasn't her personal security that she didn't know. She didn't see the 11-year-old girl. I would literally be like, show me the security tape of me eating my breakfast and not seeing this 11-year-old girl walk by and tell that man to go yell at her. Because now people keep circulating this clip of her in an airport on TikTok last month

where someone's filming her in the airport. She sees them, film her, and she points them. And then the security guard looks right at them and goes to them. So people are using that to kind of show how she talks to her security. Oh, do you think she told him to tell them to stop filming? I think she pointed him out. Yeah, because she sees them. she looks right at the camera and points to him

and then the security guard kind of stands in front of her and kind of blocks the camera. I will say when I went to Misha Spice's Halloween party, her security guard was there and he was actually very nice. So I don't know, I don't doubt it was the same one. Like this was her personal one at the Halloween party. And like Chapa wanted to go onto like the dance floor

with like 200 people were there. Like you couldn't even freaking move, but she was saying hi to someone. And her security guard was just like, excuse me, and like guiding her through. And it was a whole bunch of drunk adults. crazy wigs and costumes. Yeah.

And he was actually nice. So I will say that at least. But I feel like the price of fame is hard. Like I think like people love to like clown or whatever. That is hard. Like you just want to go on the dance floor. And it's like obviously like you said he was being nice in that situation. But it is hard.

Like you just can't go do things like really. And that's why I would think because also Chappo is usually pretty good when the kids. So I wouldn't think that she would specifically point out this one 11 year old. I feel like probably security was acting on her behalf. But she did kind of say she didn't. It wasn't her personal security or someone who was with her. It was like the hotel security. is what she thinks.

But then the mom of the 11-year-old girl posted a response to Chapel's response. I know. So many. And she said on her Instagram that I know that Chapo's response is saying that it wasn't her security and that she didn't do it. So 100% the security guard was not a security guard of the hotel. That's what I can say. He looks after artists.

I don't know if it was her personal security guard, but he was with her. So that's all I know. Did she send him to do it? Again, I don't know. Look, I would like to hope not. But at the same time, I think you have a responsibility when you are a celebrity to make sure that the people that work for you and act on your behalf are acting on your behalf. So what do you do that? If he did that if he didn't have her authority to do so, I don't know.

If he does, then obviously that's a big problem because then he's representing her in a way that she doesn't want to be represented, which I think is a fair point. That's very true. That happened one time at one of my meeting groups. There's someone being so awful to people like literally shoving them. They'd be like, hi, get out, get out. Get out. Get out. like they'd be so awful.

And like, yeah, you don't know what to do in that moment. But then like halfway through, we have to tell them. Like, you have to stop. Like you have to go away because that's like insane. Like the way, yeah, that's true. But Chappell was saying it was she, well, he wasn't even with her. It was like hotel security. Yeah.

So she was saying it wasn't her personal security that it was hotel security. And then Kat, who was the mom who was there with the 11 year old girl, said that she knows for sure it wasn't the hotel security. But someone who's like assigned to protect the artist. Yeah. That's what I was like. So was she denying, did the mom say that they were looking for chapel or did she say they were not? She said they were not.

Basically what her telling of events is that they were walking to breakfast. She saw a girl with red hair like walk past her and the girl went, mom, I think that was chapel. And then she like walked back to see if it was her, saw her and then came back. And she was like, she knows very well because her dad is Jude Law. Like she knows very much about like boundaries. She's like, we raised her specifically to, like, not invade anyone's personal space. Like, she even told the security guard, when the security guard come to yell at her, she was like, no, like, her father is very well known.

Like, she deals with this stuff all the time. Like, she knows better than to do anything as he was, like, going off on her. But she did get a photo with those Capaldi. Yeah, but I think it was like a consensual thing. That's what I'm saying, but don't you think like she goes, oh, they know boundaries, which I'm not saying it's like a boundary to ask someone for a photo. I ask people for photos. Like, I don't think it's a bad thing.

But she seemed to be wanting photos with celebrities. Oh, she, like, literally, it is funny because now all the stuff comes up. People were acting as if something terrible happened to her. It was like an in memoriam or something, but it was like, look at her so excited as Sabrina Carpenter. And then on Christmas Day, she opened up the life of a showgirl album. So this 11-year-old just has taste and she loves the pop girls and I guess Louis Capaldi as well. I guess it's fair to say she probably like, I guess no one said she ever asked for a picture. So I guess there was no boundary child other than all that we have heard is that she like crossed double time.

But like that's chapel. Chapel obviously didn't hear that. the mom was saying that's what they did. She never asked for a photo. Yeah. So it wasn't even that. Look, I think too. Like at the end of the day, it's like a child.

I mean, the way chapel tells it, right, is nothing even happened. She had no idea what's happening. So it's like, I believe her, right? The way the mom tells it is like, yeah, I mean, I guess that's like,

that is sad. And obviously been a victim of a celebrity's security guard yelling at me. It is awful. And as a kid, you feel everything so much more. So I guess we can confirm that there was a security guard that yelled. We just don't know if it's chapels

or the hotels or the events. Yeah. Yeah, and that's sad. Told them to go do it. I believe that she wouldn't do. I don't think so either. She has been good with kids, like, in the past at other things. Yeah.

She's... Also, from the sound of it, she didn't see the girl. And it makes sense because, you know, like a little kid, it's not something in her peripheries that she would understand. But also the way kids behave, like, the kid would kind of, like, you know, walk, being hesitant. So a security guy will notice this kid is not going to get food and back. They're not, they're just walking around, spying on her, trying to. trying to get a glimpse to see if it's her or not. At the same time, Chappell could be with her back to her.

She could not even know she's there. But the security guard will see like, oh, she's acting a little suspicious and then go and say something. Yeah, I believe that. I think that's probably more it because. What I notice is that there's definitely like a hate campaign against Chappel. Oh, for sure. Since she left her last, you know, agency, wherever it was.

O-T. Yeah. There's definitely something going on, you know. God, people really just don't. Oh, God, there's a TikTok there. I think his name is Horace. I might be getting it wrong. I love his take some things.

And he had said that too. He's like, I truly feel like Chapel was always meant to be like an indie artist. Like she wanted it for that way, right? Kind of like he was mentioning like a Slater, like a gay pop. I told my friend that. Yeah. Where she truly maybe did not want this life of being a pop girlie, like a Sabrina Carpenter and stuff like that.

That she was always meant to be kind of like more like low key indie, whatever. So I think that's where it is. Because people like, she does not deserve this fame or whatever. And I think she just doesn't handle it. Like a lot of people handle it well. And she just doesn't want that part of being an artist. And I think that's fair. I think it's just like she is so popular and so massive.

So she's like thrust it into the same category as like a Sabrina or like a Kim Kardashian who handles paparazzi in fame very well and stuff. I think she's just not comfortable with it. I think it's okay. Yeah, but I agree with you. People do just love to hate. Like when she did that video, like wow, smug, arrogant. Look at her lying down.

Like, you know, just like smiling. murky. Like, it's just like she can not do anything right. Like, even the paparazzi and Paris that harassed everybody else and everybody else was like, leave me alone. You're so in a way. Literally the week before Duolipa, like, yeah.

You went off on the same people and like nothing. Went off and she's just like, yeah. And they're not showing the person. You know what I mean? They're just showing her. Like, if they show the other person and you see that it's not a fan and it's just a solicitor trying to harass her. Yeah.

You know, but nobody showed the full picture of what happened. So it was. No, there's a hate campaign. But again, I think Chappell should take a, a page from Kate Bush's book because that's what happened to Kate Bush when she was famous and then very early on she was like I'm now I'm opening my

own record label I'm making my own music on my terms I'm touring when I want to tour the way I want to tour and she just completely disengaged from the world yeah and she was unavailable to anyone unless she wanted to be and that was it that she was focused making music and she made lots of music

but more mysterious you can choose your own path like the way you want to be famous. People won't let her. I feel like it's like it's hard. I don't know. It's so hard.

I don't know. I'm not there. I feel for her. I also feel for that kid. Obviously, I haven't that trauma. Like, it really did traumatize me.

And I feel like I was just like never again approaching anybody. I will never ask anyone to hang out. I'll never text first. I'll never well. Like I really do think it stems from that incident. Um, someone I didn't care about, but I wish that we saw the space that it happened. You know, like,

because if Chappel would hear the security guard talking to this girl and apparently from what the parent said the girl was crying oh i'm sure i'm sure chappel would have been like what's going on or go to the girl because we've seen a lot of celebrities like stop the security going to the person oh yeah conversation with them and basically the escalating the situation so that's what's odd to me is like how big was the room how far was she where was the security you need to get that we need to see more yeah that's a good yeah because i thought one of lebron he was like walking past i don't know just going through and there's like kids whatever there was a kid yelling like, LeBron, LeBron, sign this, whatever.

And the dad's like, say, please. And they's like, please. And then LeBron stops and comes back. I said, oh, that's so good. Everybody with kids, I don't think there's one person that's like you to kids. Like, if a kid's crying, they're like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think anybody. Trixie Mattel actually tweeted that she wouldn't stop for kids.

After this incident? Well, she did it back in 2020 and then she retweeted it and was like, still true. That's so funny. You know what? Everyone has their back. At least we know. And we know that I always know that. Like, you know, I, well, Trixie, whatever.

And it's like you just know she doesn't like kids. So like why would you? Yeah, I don't know. That's so funny. I also don't believe it. I also feel like if a kid came up to Trixie, I feel like she might. Although the hotel is no kids allowed at the Trixiexia can tell, which makes sense it is in Palms for you. But it's funny.

Yeah, she just can't catch a break, but I feel sad for the kid. I kind of wish she like just, especially because it's a kid of famous parents. Like, I was kind of like, why didn't you reach out of Jude Law. I be like, can I, you know, I didn't know that was happening. Can I do something to, you know, make her feel. a little bit better, you know, invite her to another show or something. That's kind of like the Taylor Shway School of PR. I feel like that's what she would do.

She would just like, if she knew something like that happened, she would somehow fly out that little kid to wherever she's at, do a little photo, post it on her Instagram story and like, look, see I didn't know what was happening. I made it up. Yeah, you show. We always did that all the time in venues. Like if there was somebody who like in the, like the disabled thing, if there was like a blockage or whatever and they're like, you know, I was like disabled. We always tried to make sure they came to like another show if they

couldn't see or something like that. Like, you know, it's, you kind of have to, it's easy to do, too, when you have, like, people to help you. You just can facilitate, like, a meet and greet. Early on, those blurry meet and greet photos alike, this one person, I think I can say it now. I feel like enough time's best, and he's been so sweet. There was one photo that was just, oh my God. That did, it was so, and I couldn't even talk about it because I was, like, so embarrassed. And, like, he was so sweet. He ended up coming to, like, two more shows. But it was blurry. It was early on in the tour and we're like, luckily Naz is the photographer now for always meet greet photos, right? And meet greet photos. And,

you know you pay money you want a nice photo um they were a little diabolical at the beginning but one was so blurry and so like not visible that they a i i i forgot about that i forgot about that you showed it to me yeah it was i need to find this photo it was i mean my teeth are separated like it was it was so scary it looked like a different person oh my god i was so scared i was i was livid i was like what this is after like the the second this is trying to get a new person in there this was like the second week and I was just like, what the is this? So what is this? And it's on the public website where everyone in the mean greets can see.

So I'm just like, this is so embarrassing. Shout out Daniel Perez, who was like, not only number one fan and friend. He's also really like, he should be manager because he's on it and NAS too. But he's like, what is? It was so scary. Then the kid was so sweet. He came solo and he was like so sweet. And he's like, it's fine. Like, it's okay. So anyway, we obviously flew him to another meet and greet

because I was like, that's so insane. But like, at the very least, I'm like, come see a show. And like, forever. He can always have meeting greetings because I'm like, that was so diabolical and it's embarrassing it's embarrassing and even if it's not your fault like obviously that is not my fault that was a whole other thing but you know you are the face yeah and you just got to that's kind of how it is like unfortunately like that's a reflection on you that's kind of what like her mom was saying too like if they honestly they it's a representation of you so what are you what are you going to do you know maybe she will maybe she'll bring into her up the show i hope so

i think it's a little weird of the dad the initial one because at the end of the day like it does suck. I think I got blown out of proportion. I think it's like, what did, I'm trying to think of that would happen. I'm trying to put it in my perspective

like with our kids. Like if it happened, when I blast it, he is a celebrity. And when celebrities, like, are in the same space, there's a certain adequate.

Like, she, to him, what she did is very, very hurtful. And because he's at the same level as her. But are you saying he's in the right to blast it? He should have blasted it.

He should have been like, I understand his emotions because it hurts even more when he feels like we're, we're colleagues, we're celebrities, we're in the same space. This is my kid. You could have a kid that will be my fan. Like, we don't do this to each other. Like, to him, it was a bigger slap in the face than if it was a random person on the street.

But I feel like in the past couple months, we were like slighted by an influencer. And it's like, my initial instinct was like, it wouldn't be to like talk about it. In fact, it's the opposite because we're like mutuals of like influencers. It's like, you just don't talk about it. Like I was like bummed and like what happened was like annoying and like bad energy. It's like my first thing wouldn't be like, let me blast this because it was embarrassing

and it was awful, but I was like, I don't need to blast it. What if they flew across the country to go, not even, I think they, I forget where they're from, but they flew to Brazil just for Lollapalooza. Oh, they don't live in Brazil. That was her Christmas present, was going to see Chapel at Lollapalooza,

like the buildup. Oh, well, I didn't know that. Yeah, it was like her, she loves Chapel. That's what I'm saying. She loves, like, these girls. Like, she was a stand. I thought it was like, they just happened to be in this hotel

and walk past. They were staying at the hotel. for the show. But yeah, it was her Christmas present was getting tickets to Lala Palooza. Like that, they surprised her with that. Who said all this? I didn't know this.

This wasn't, was an assayment. Her mom was saying it, yeah. Oh. Yeah, I don't know. To me, it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm kind of torn on it.

Like, if you take your kids to Disneyland and they go to see Mickey Mouse and Mickey Mouse security. Bluey. Knocks your kid and make them cry. Yeah, I would blast Disney and Mickey Mouse. Yeah, I would like, we had to be in good terms of it.

Oh, we got to get the merit of it. Maybe Bluey Music. Maybe the Bluey Museum. I guess. I guess we did. But it just makes it seem so much more serious. Maybe, yeah, maybe I'm in the wrong on this. I just think it's like so much more like it seems so.

Like you said, everyone was doing like in memoriam. Like just like, oh my gosh. It was a lot. Yeah. I think I can't even fault some either because I think, again, if it was for me being slided, I would I would probably, you know, wait a couple weeks and say it on here. But this is what we do. I know.

I guess I guess it's like what we do. I think because it's like his daughter who's just like loves her so much. That's true. If the security thing did happen, then. maybe yes because that is traumatizing. Okay, yeah, you're right. All right. I get, yeah, I'm with you on that.

Yeah. All right, he did the right thing. What about Jewelaw? Why isn't he saying anything? He has more reach. If he said something that might be out there, we need to know. That's true, yeah. What is his thoughts on this movie?

Where is Jude Law? He, like, cheated and then went bald and, like, never heard from again. He did a movie kind of recently? Me? Like last year. I forget. We interviewed him for something. I forget what.

He gives me Dakota Mortensen vibes where he's just, like, mid cheats a lot lost all the hair got a shard transplant like it's just like giving nothing to me I don't know why I'm shing but I just don't like oh he was a cheater that's why I was like I'm not abusive right right I don't know I don't know either

probably not yes I just know he is awful to Sienna Miller and cheated with the nanny oh he sounds like a pissy shit to me maybe he's an okay damn maybe he's better maybe he's changing grow which we're all about change and growth just like my memoir I gotta get your word you can change and you can grow

what would be the name of Taylor Frankie Paul's more. That's a good question. I don't know, but that meme of her holding the stool needs to stop. Have you seen this? And all the TikTok comments? Oh my God, who started this? Like, why are people so quick? Also, why do I laugh? Sometimes

the internet is crazy. Even with the chapel Rhone, there's so many memes of her, like, chapel when the kid comes up and it's just like people flinging kids near. And everyone's anti-AI, but then the same people love to make these little AI memes. You're like, y'all got to pick one. Y'all canceling Zarr Larson because she likes watching the AI fruit but then you guys are running and making AI

memes a chapel yelling at a kid. So, like, which one is it? Like, poor Zara Larson. Zara Larson learning in real time. You can't really have a personality when you're a main pop girl. It's very sad. You cannot. Yeah, they were on her.

She just said she laughed a little at the, at the AI fruit drama and everyone was so mad at her. That's crazy because AI fruit drama is all I live for. It gives me peace. I'm sorry. People are so, you're right. Zara, I feel you. Damn.

She said she lost a brand deal because of her. Did we cut that? I might have cut it from the last episode, but the... Oh yeah, she made a joke about a fan of hers getting an abortion. And then after that joke went viral, she lost a $3 million brand deal. $3 million is crazy. You think she regrets it? It doesn't sound like she does.

She's kind of like a girl who stands in business. I think you can say, I think when you lose a $3 million deal, I think you might have to. Because it's like, yeah, whatever. Whatever, people think it's funny, not funny, whatever. There was the debate on that. But, like, you lost $3 million, though, because of just something you wanted to say. I don't know.

Because I'm not even, like, freedom of speech where it's something, like, so powerful. I guess she in her mind, she thought maybe, like, I'm doing a pro-trace dance, but maybe, I don't know, whatever. But I think you have to regret losing $3 million. I regret losing $300 deals. Like, I'm, three million's crazy. Like, that's crazy.

But I guess one time past you're just like, I don't regret it because you can't do anything about it anyways. And also, like, someone like her. You also, like, no. Influeners is harder. Because you never know, like, when it'll kind of dry up. But she's been performing for, like, 10 years. And at this point, she's only getting bigger and bigger.

So I feel like with her, she at least knows. There's always something around the corner. Not always. I feel like there's some pop divas who definitely have Stacey or Rico. She was that girl. She was like a Christian singer, then a pop star. You know what I mean? And then they, sometimes.

Sometimes, yeah. I think with her, it's pretty safe for a couple years. Well, years are a stand. I mean, not that I'm not, but I'm just saying. Me and Harry Daniels holding it down for the looks. I love her. Oh, love the name. I love her.

I saw that one where she's like holding her dancers. And then they lift her up and she kicked and someone else was holding the microphone to her. Oh, Doja Kat just went viral for doing the midnight sun riff and I think you should do it. What is it? How's like, oh, you do it first. Okay.

A never-ending midnight sun. Okay. What's it mean? Midnight sun. Okay, love it. Maybe. I'll get on it. I'm busy tonight, but I might get on that.

Like right now, it's trying to key up. Oh, it's a midnight sun. It's a midnight sun. Wow. She's really good. Hey, Debbie. Thank you. Thank you.

You know, Sunday with a chance was good. That should come back. Right? Yeah, even the theme song I love too. The Disney music at that era was so inspirational to me, actually. So far, so great. Get ready. Is that Sunny with a chance?

Having a dream is just the beginning. So far so great Is that Sunny with the Jan scene song? Yeah Isn't the one like hey sunny Hey Sunny That's hey Jesse That's the Debbie Ryan one

She's queen too I never watch a show But I just like her Sometimes they like people Just for their memes You know what I mean She's so funny She's such a mean queen

Right Sometimes the memes are just like What make people Well My what do you meme pack That is so true I guess I don't see it. Like, I wish I could see my memes

the way some people see them like you. I just, I can't. I wish I had the iconicness, and I can't. I would like to think that I'm not up there yet. I'm not on that level. One day, it is funny how people just, like, find those old videos and just, I don't know, like, the ones, like, laying on the kitchen floor. I reached out to that address that I used to live in,

and no one responded. I really wanted to do videos there, but we're going to just, like, rebuild it. We're going to, like, create a set for one of the music videos. I don't know if it's going to be as, like, cool, though. But if you live at this place, we have a, feeling like someone's like it's vacant or something I was like why don't you just call the building I'm like I don't think you just call them and be like I think you can't exactly yeah and ask what does someone live there yeah just inquire like is this available maybe it's empty right now and it's

between you know I think I'll just let me go in there yeah they probably are money you pay really you think if I just called up the building can I rent it for a day they're like okay yeah yeah yeah movies do that they scout their scouts for permits for feelings I hate it see my rejection back to Albert Bell security guard If they are, then you give it to Andrew the director, and he does all the work to get the permit, to film, to pay, and all that stuff. I'll hide them up after this. I really would love to. What if it's not the same anymore?

You know, they always redo. They might have renovated a bit, but I still think that it's like the atmosphere of the video should be like an old-fashioned YouTube video. So even if you do green screen and put yourself in that space, but kind of like low-res video. Moses' vision for this music video My vision are so different And I love it I love your ideas I just think that

Oh you should do a little contest Like you do your version of the video And then you do yours and see which one does better That's interesting No like at nothing they're bad ideas It's always just so far for my vision I always just like Because you always want fancy

girly shiny But here there's like a story Like it's a 20 years of YouTube story So it's like He wants it to be a thumbnail Yeah my idea was like As like the thumbnails, she moves in them. That's why it's a green screen.

But as the titles changes, the thing. I see the vision. Right? It's like the evolution. I do see that vision. Yup. I don't hate it. It's just so far from what I'm doing.

No, I get that. Of course. But I'm saying. I like it. I like it. But not for me. Maybe one time. One time I had Andrew Brown time, he's also very creative.

One time I had him pick the vision. I was like, because I'm very specific. I do 5,000 references. And there's one time. And it was a music video. It was my only love song I did, like a love song. Usually my own, like, breakup songs, whatever. It was like a love song.

And I remember I hated it. It was like, we're like slaughtering a pig, like hanging. And there's like eating zombie brains. And I was like, nope, nope, never again. And he's a gay. And I thought, oh, I can trust a gay to know what's, but nope. Nope, don't trust them all with this. And he's like so, he is so talented.

He made so many great films. Like he is so talented. That was diabolical and crazy. My one love song is like me like killing a pig. I was like, never again. It was so weird. And it was a time frame. I hated it.

It was supposed to be like the notebook, which I hate the notebook. It was very awful. So I'm very particular. But not to say you're right. Maybe I should be more open-minded. I, you know, try other people's visions.

You do your vision. I'm just saying that's the first thing that came to mind. No, I liked it. I like that you thought. I love when you have like a passion for something I'm doing too. I had thoughts on yours too on your tuna pasta sponsor. Not a bad way. I was like you should put me in the first two seconds because I try it at the end.

I was 10 minutes. Yeah. I was going to, but it was just so long. I respect it, but I do think I should have been a little teaser. Like, oh, I was giving you so many reactions and I was, anyways, I was the thumbnail, but I think maybe the first couple seconds could have been you and me. I agree. It's okay. No, it's fine.

It did well. It just when I had no time, like what 10 minute video on TikTok? It's like. Yeah, you just put it the first two seconds. But the, you know, it did well. It didn't need me. Maybe it would have been worse. It did.

You weren't. It did. You weren't. appreciate it did you see that jip-chip is back in the news for her body tea for making a joke about her mom's murder

we listen and we don't judge yes she did 20 what's her name Natalie Reynolds she did like 20 TikToks with her I mean as the internet said I don't think this trend is for you babe like I don't know if we're I think we're all judging I think we're all judging now because like what the judge was judging

the judge was judging you went to prison But also did she just admit it? Like me, I thought it was Nick. I thought you were like, I didn't really want him to do it. Like what just happened? Did we do an admission of guilt here on TikTok? This was wild.

This was the wrong people to do this challenge. You know why we've never done the listening and don't judge challenge because I should be judged for a lot of things. Most and I thought about it one time where I thought about doing it and I just remember being like, no, you should definitely be judging me for what I'm about to say. Like everybody that does that challenge. We listen and we don't judge it. It always be like, I cheated.

on you, gave you an STD, and you took me back. Like, it's just like, no, I'm judging you. Like, what do you mean? You didn't tell her. You were, you had someone else and then you'd get, like, anyways. Yes. These two. Did you know the other TikToker she did it with?

No. Natalie, is that her name? Yeah, Natalie. You never seen her. So you don't know what she did to be in the same because she's problematic. Oh, no. She says it in the listening, we don't judge. Did you watch the TikTok?

I only saw the gypsy part. Yeah. So before her, Natalie goes, and her whole thing was, and she says it. She goes, I once paid. I don't know if she was an unhoused woman or just a woman on the street paid her $20 to jump into a lake naked or just into a lake. Yeah, she couldn't swim. And she couldn't swim. And she couldn't swim.

And she was, like, left and laughed and like filmed her doing it. Yeah. Was she unhoused? Was she naked? I did make those two up. Not naked, unhoused woman. She paid $20 to go. You never saw that?

No. Oh, man. It was. It was bad. Actually, the worst thing. Like she literally walked away laughing and let her like. Yeah. Which it's like bad enough right.

when people give unhouse people money and you're filming you for content, it gives a little ick. But the fact that you're doing like, yeah, that sort of... Give them money, but don't you humiliate them for it. That's what I'm saying. It's another level. But people don't like when they film giving them money,

they think it's kind of weird because it's like, don't use them for content just because you're giving them money. But on the humiliation level too, like you're... Like, you're... Like, you're weird. Like, I'm judging you. Like, we all judged you. Like, I thought we moved past that.

We're still judging you. So when they did this challenge together, I'm like, I don't know if this is meant for you, girlies at all. I would say actually what Natalie did is maybe a little worse because at least Gypsy had a reaction talk about reaction abuse, okay, she had a little reactive okay, we all agree she was a victim of her mom.

This lady just influenced her, making content, humiliating somebody who's not doing well in life, like insane. I am like... I know. I'm gagged. What do you mean? That was crazy. And then they're like

being filmed by like paparazzi from far away. Like Gypsy looks good. I will give it to her. Her body, her veneers, her wig. She is, she got that money. She got that money coming in. I don't like that girl. I don't like her, that Natalie. I guess it's another thing again to move past something and

like whatever. Maybe you made a lapse in judgment like Logan Paul or something for me multiple times. But like, then you like double down on it. I don't know. Don't like it. I'm so. I can't, my mind can't even what is going on? Is she Mormon? Like, what is it? Like, I was going to say, like, it is going to

giving something that would be on more on Monsock or something. What do you mean? I know. I don't know why this clap happened. I was going to say, Chip Chip, what are we, I don't think she's the kind of girl

she should be collaborating with right now. I think Gypsy is rogue now. I don't think she has like a publicist or anything because she doesn't have a show anymore. Oh. Because she had sent me a DM. And I think she was sending it like generic. Like why she was like pitching herself.

Like why should be a good guest on the podcast? I think she probably sent out to multiple people. Um, but I think she's trying to make like her own come back. I suppose. After the artistry. Remember she, Didn't she go off to being artist for a little bit?

Yes, and then she kind of disparate. And, you know, like, again, a body transformation does wonder, as you always say this, when someone comes back and, like, lost a little weight, like, people do seem to really love that, you know? They, like, love it. But I think clapping with this girl, we're like, let's... It's a setback.

It's definitely a setback. Maybe if she was, like, clapping with, like, Whitney Leavitt or something. You know, like, it levels up. Not that wouldn't do it, but... Literally, I know. I don't know. I'm sure Jen Affleck would do it. Oh, that's a good one.

Yes. Yes. That one's kind of... A little controversy, but, like, at the end of the day, it's just, like, a drama. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Humilating another human being.

That's, I can't, am I brain? No, it's crazy. What? I know. And they did so many TikToks. They were doing, like, I know. I just went to go look and, oh, my God, literally, they had a whole content day. It always tickles me when influencers do content days together where it's like,

okay, we're going to film for five hours and we're going to do like eight TikTok, so bring 10 outfits. Yes. It is kind of wild. I mean. I mean, time efficient, I suppose. No, it's smart. I don't dog it. It's such a, it's such an interesting.

I can't imagine being an influencer like now. It is such a different world. It's such a business, too. I guess you just gotta get the most of it. You're gonna be, maybe she doesn't live in LA, so she's in L.A., so she's like, can she travel outside the state? I thought she was on, like, what's it called parole? Is she off parole now?

Is she on parole? It's been so long since we cover Gypsy. I guess, yeah, I guess, yeah. I guess I don't know how long girls last. Oh, June 24th, 2025, it ended. Oh, okay, that sounds right. Yeah. So she's free woman, yeah.

We, jip, listen, we got it, especially we just had the, the Gypsy Rose files just come out, what, a couple months ago. Oh, right. And those were all, like, the sounds and stuff. So I think we got a distance. We got a distance ourselves from that. Yes, you're right. They used the sounds.

Like a pair, right? Yeah. Too soon. Too soon. It's never going to be enough time. No. Well, it's never used. sounds from those tapes.

Like those took up and I love reclaiming the meme. We love reclaiming the memes here. We love it. You know, but this is, I think this is one where it's like. You work and mom and set your friend up also to do that. So now he's in life in prison, but you're out and you're making jokes. Yeah. So I think we got to, we got to ditch that one.

If it was Froyo, if it was like, you know, the sugar-free froyo, that's one thing. If it's poot. Yes. Like, so many other ones, I'm getting a divorce. Like, there's so many, like, memes out there that are lighthearted enough. Like, what? The one where she was like, what did she say to her, that one guy where, oh, the D is amazing or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Six of those means, you know what I mean? This one, I don't know. I don't know. Bad. All of this was bad. But I guess when you're already at the bottom, there's nowhere else to go because you're already there. Especially that Natalie. Like, that's the thing.

It's like, oh, my God. Like, do we have to just keep being bottom of the barrel? It's like, I don't know her fan base. I don't know her lore, like outside of that. I don't know if she's growing and changing, but obviously not too much. I think that's a thing is like then when you can, yeah, make light of a serious thing. Kind of like the Taylor Frankie Paul and that go back to it. But like when people discovered the TikTok, she made like two days after when she did the chair throwing incident.

And she's like, note to self, don't throw things. You might end up going, you might see bright flashing lights outside your house. Like, girl, it's been a week. Like that part, it's just people don't like because it's very serious. And it's not, it's not as lighthearted as people think. Are her TikTokers okay. Like I am really starting to worry for TikTokers. No, me too.

I worry about it because I think about like my kids. I'm like, oh my God, like, what's the level of influence are going to be then? Are they just going to be, I hope they're not. I hope robots take over. Is that okay to say? It's not AI. I don't know.

Like the little robot came from at Zendaya show. She's like, you're a robot. So start acting like a kid. I was like, you beg a flesh. I was like, what the hell is the show? But I don't mind that idea. She looked real, that girl on that show. Yeah, it's, I don't think, yeah,

I think they're all diapogical. I don't know. Is there any good TikTokers out there? Like doing good. I mean, there's obviously people who are entertaining. Oh my God, there has to be. And I can't think of one right this moment. But I know there are.

We lost, who was it was a beauty to the streets? Yes. Oh, we never talked about her. She used to go out. That was like last month, right? It was maybe a few months ago or like, yeah, she, oh, I loved hers. She would, all her content was her, literally handing out, like, food and cans of pops to, like, people in, like, you know,

in really bad areas of like LA like people that are on house or like on drugs and they would line up and she'd give them like hygiene packets. It was like love that content. I wish more. And she was like so good. She was like doing all the time and like we need people like that. And like where are those more of those

influencers? Not around. Yeah. I mean we can barely get an angel tree out of the girls around Christmas time. That is true. That is true. The angel tree drama. Is that Michaela who didn't do an angel tree? And Jacqueline Hill. I mean, okay.

And it's like, I didn't do Angel Tree, but I did Trisha Food for You Does Account? Do you know what I mean? Like, not to defend them, but it's like, maybe they donate another way. We'd love an angel tree. We do. I just didn't know how you. I was like, well, I was doing Trisha Food for you at the time. So I was like, okay, do you?

And you know what? Some people followed up. I love the people followed up. I love the people. I sent you a bed who was like, because you never know. Sometimes you have money. People are like maybe they're just scamming you or whatever. But there's one who need, her son needed a bed.

And then she just to follow up. Like here's his bed. I was like you for the follow-up because I never get those. So, and again, it's like picking and choosing, okay, Michaela and Jacqueline didn't do it, but did we go for Becca Bloom? Did she do? Maybe she did do it. I don't know.

But, you know, there's so many well-to-do influencers that were like, did they all do angel trees? I don't think you have to hold that so much against. I like it, but. I think with Michaela, not to bring her up again, but she did tell everyone she was going to do all these angel trees. And then she said, like, you guys, why do I have to make a video on doing an angel tree? If I don't want to, I don't need to, but you just told us you were going to do it. And you also just did your $100,000 haul like two weeks ago. Yeah.

Sorry, Michaela, but that is kind of the tea there. Michaela is our favorite hypocrite. She is queen of double standard, and I'm okay with it until she does something crazy, okay? And then there's, there's, stool flying or something. So she's collaborating with, what's your name? Gypsy? Or the other one. Oh, yeah, Natalie's worst.

I don't know anyone who would except for gypsy. Poor gypsy on. Honestly, in that case, I'm kind of like, oh, girl. Even in the lesson, don't judge when she's listening to her, she's like, I don't know if Gypsy knew. I think in that moment she's like, what the fuck? I didn't know that was happening.

Yeah, she gave a little side eye. And then I was like, we don't judge. I was like, I don't know. And if Gypsy Rose is judging your poor decisions, I think that is where we need to get off the lane. People are, who's the other one that makes, was it named Livy, the one that makes the content of how to stay skinny and not eat? There was something with her, too.

She's like, I think her name's Libby Dunn or something. Okay, I was going to say, is it Livy Dunn? I think so. Okay. And she just tells people how to not eat. And it's just like, what is wrong with these people? Like, how are they allowed on here? Like, that's like literally such dangerous, harmful behavior.

Whereas, like, this is what I do when I feel hungry and how I don't eat and how I stay skinny. It's like so sacked up. And like, I don't know. She shames so many people's bodies. It's like, is anyone body shaming her? You know what I mean? It's just like, that doesn't look good either. Like, I don't know.

I just feel like someone needs to tell her and the people watching all this bad information. That also doesn't look good. Like, you starving yourself. is not a cute look. It doesn't look good. And I just hate that misinformation. I hate that people look up to her for that. Weird.

Don't do it. You need to eat three meals a day. She was sponsored by Raising Cains. Who? Let me not. No. Because I know the name, but I haven't seen any of her stuff. What is it?

I want to see what that is. What is the Raising Cain sponsorship? Don't be a chicken take a dip. It's her eating Raising Cains in a pool. What is the actual? What is... That to me is... Actually, so...

I hate it. I hate it. Okay, well... What the fuck? This girl makes her living telling people just not eat and stay skinny. Girl. Oh, gosh, she had a whole deal.

Oh, she had a cardboard cut out at raising canes across the nation. She asks people to take photos with her cardboard cut out, all the canes. No. Yes. No. No. No.

She's literally telling people, Not to eat. That's her whole brand and she gets a brand-ly eating. I hate it. I do hate this. I hate it. I hate that so much. I actually might be the most debacle thing we talked about all topics.

That's crazy. Is this recent? Last year, last summer. Oh, my God. Because she got came up again about talking about basically promoting EDs and I'm like, I hate this. What is going on in the world? Oh, she just posted, sorry. I was mean to you.

I was just hungry. Oh, she has a lot of food. sponsorships for someone crazy. That's crazy. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, and she's on Baywatch. Oh my God. What? Oh, is that it? Is that what I heard? That's maybe where I heard that her name again and I was like, what?

I can't. I'm retiring. I'm officially going in retirement. That's so insane. What the hell is going on you guys? What? Be serious challenge. You guys were failing. We're failing to be serious challenge. You know everyone is on that though. You know that Luke Eisenerter that I I was talking about from tall girl who dates at Kirby. He's on there too. He's a new one. Kirby is like, my boyfriend's a new lifeguard on this.

I'm like, oh my God, everyone's a light guard on there. Everyone's a damn lifeguard. Everyone's a damn lifeguard, except for us. Not even a drowning victim in the damn show. Well, maybe. They're still filming. You might be good, actually, if you were drowning and Noah Beck comes and saves you.

That's kind of everything. I think that was like a Baywatch plot line. Like a hot guy saved, like an intellectual guy. An intellectual guy. All classes. An intellectual. You are a hot guy. You're an intellectual because he's got the glasses.

I thought you're going to say a gay guy. Oh, no. I don't think they did that in the 90s. I don't think they were putting gay men on TV. Where did that start? We're kind of progressive, I feel. I feel like back of the day, they're like no gays. Yeah, T.

I mean, maybe Will and Gray's, that's like the first one I really remember. Oh, yeah. And then they had to make them like super gay. Yeah. Actually, no, Will was not so gay. I never watched it. Oh, yeah, yeah. He was more like.

Jack was the more flamblant one. Yeah. Now he has a dialogue podcast with two street guys. You really failed this, Jack. I do, I know, I've never seen the show about the clips I see and I do like Jack and, what's her name? Karen. Yeah. Yeah.

Her name is Karen. Awfully. Didn't age well. Wow. That's, wow. That's the real upwar we need. Living Kane being sponsored by Living Dunn. Being sponsored by Raising Cains.

That is crazy. That's crazy. I just had Racing Cains yesterday, too. What the hell? I know, me too. I got the Lepercom. lemonade all right well I I don't even know where to go pre-order so much yeah I'm gonna my memoir I crying on the kitchen floor you guys there's

I thought you were like holding your head in shame down there I was like going like this I was like oh okay I was like wow no association no association you have a good you have a good chapter in there you have a couple chapters I was I was going to say just one. Actually, I was about a note from the publisher. I was like, you can maybe like put more into like the happy ending. I was like, yeah, you're probably right. Happy I made it into the book.

You made it into the book. It's good. A lot of people made into the book. The book is, the book is here. All right. All this is for entertainment purposes only, you guys. Unless your dad talk or Dakota. I don't know.

Who cares? I mean, I care. I care about the children. Maybe we should care more. We love you. you guys. Thanks for being here on a Tuesday. I love Tuesdays. They're just the best. Taco

Tuesdays. That's what we do in this house. You don't eat tacos. Well, I do now. I got to give me that langua. You know, I eat it all day long. Give me that beef tongue. Now I eat tacos. I love tacos. I love tacos. All right. That's it.

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