Just Trish - Feb 26, 2026

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

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I've heard this. Do you guys know anything about it? I don't. I wish. You're like, tell me. Does the channel? The channel hasn't told us. White Lotus.

Yes. Do you watch White Lotus? I mean, who doesn't? I'm who does it? This is the biggest show. Not everybody does. What? There was rumors you were going to join.

I think I started those rumors. Did you start out? Was it true that you were offered Hannah Montana? This podcast. We are so excited. Today's guests are icons in their own right. Disney Channel stars and also about to go on a tour in just a few days. The icons, Allie and AJ.

Hi. Hi, this is so exciting. It's so good to be here. This is like so surreal to see because I feel like, We talked about you on the show so much. And then we saw you guys lip sync a TikTok from the show. And we were gagged. We're like, Allie and AJ know who we are.

We were gagged. When you guys were talking about EZA and you hilariously were like, who's Ali Meshaka? Ali Meshaka. I love every single person. Who's Ali Meshaka? From Ali and A.J. Oh, right.

That's crazy. It is so funny. And like the way you say it, we were cackling. Because, you know, people know us more as Ali and A.J. As opposed to like, Ali Meshaka, AJ Meshaka. And we were like, literally. I mean, this is all thanks to our lighting tech who goes on the road with us. He's a huge fan.

Shout out to Jacob Wesson. So he was the one who saw this originally and sent it to us and was like, you guys need to duet to this. So then we did the lip sync and then this is how we're here. Oh my gosh. No, you're iconic. We used obviously your sound of potential breakup song like so many times. Like I mean, when that was big in 2020, where did you guys ever do the trend, like the one where you like do the awkward millennial pauses? Yes, yes.

We've done it. And we met the moms who started it. I mean we've seen like all of the ones that like you know blew up we were we were watching or we were sent them you know like at first we didn't know what was happening we didn't have TikTok when 2020 hit yeah and potential had a resurgence so what how did you find out about it just friends like girlfriends being like have you seen this or just sending a video being like this is a really funny one and we're like what funny one what do you mean like this is one of many right we were confused like the one in the dental chair with the baseball players and then the moms in Chicago and then the girl on the a train in London. Like there were so many that we're starting to take off. And we were like, we need to join this. Is that when you joined then? Yeah. And was your first one that? Yeah. First one was that. Love that. What were you thinking? We were like, we were like, we were so confused. You were like, we don't understand how this platform works. Just lost millennials.

So lost. So lost. And then over time, like we got the hang of it. And we were like, oh, this is not like supposed to be perfect. It's supposed to be funny and raw and real. And I think that's the term of TikTok. It is so good. And your TikToks are like that. Like I was like looking, because you have like a joint TikTok account. do you come up with the ideas of yourself or do you have someone be like you should do this? Because you're so on it, you're so on the button with everything that's like, true.

Yes. I feel like all the sounds you use are so like niche. Oh, that's good. Okay. Wow. It's a mix. Like we have some people that will like text and be like, hey, what would be some good ones?

But like a lot of times it's just us seeing something funny and we're like, oh, we should do that, you know, or something served to us and then. Allie's our TikTok momager. Like she's the one that kind of. Oh, really? She's the TikTok stage mom. Like, like, I mean, I say that like lately.

But like when we're on tour, She'll be like, oh, we gotta make a TikTok. I got three ideas. And I'll be like, okay, let's go. I'm like, we got 20 minutes. Let's do them. She's good at it. That's impressive.

So, like, you get glam done and then you're like, we got time to do a TikTok before performing. Yeah. That's a lot of energy. Do you do meet and greets at your shows? We do. Yeah, we do it before. Wow.

So what time, because I did like a mini tour, not like your guys' tour. I did a mini tour last year. You have to get there at like 2 p.m. To like glam, do the meet and greet. I never have time to do TikToks. Like, that's amazing that you have such a schedule. You're just like, tired.

You're tired, you did your thing, you're sweaty. Yeah. You know, you're like, who wants to, like, meet people like this? Yes. Your makeup's all. Fresh and, yeah. I feel like we have a really good schedule now on Locke because we've toured so much that we have a very clear idea of, like, when we're going to arrive. You know, we're fully glammed already.

We jump into Soundcheck. Then we do our meet and greet. Then we go hang out and eat, and then we come back for the show. So, like, we've found time to, like, not only do stuff for social media, but, like, also just have a life and, like, go get a meal. Wow. Because you guys do a bus tour, right? Shovela lot. Yeah.

Always have done a bus tour. You never done the in and out. Always bus. Wow. Other than like if it's a one-off and you're flying into that city and then you just live. I see. We love living on the bus. I need to know about this because that sounds like a dream.

We always did a fly-in, fly out on the weekends and stuff like that. Sounds like a dream to do a bus tour. You would have fun like decorating it, I'm sure. Really? You would probably go nuts. Okay. Are you all on one bus? We're usually on two.

But for some tours, if it's like a smaller tour or smaller run, we'll do one bus. Are you together on a bus or are you have your own buses? Together. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And so I guess my fear would be like getting sick of anybody, I guess. Yeah, I mean, that's always the risk that, you know, people drive you a little nuts. I guess that's what days off are also for, you know, where you can be like, okay, I'm going to go and like do my own thing for the next eight hours and like I'll see you later this evening.

You know, when bus call happens. But it's a fun life. Like our band and crew, it's like family. Like at this point, our drummer who's now been with us for a while, I texted him the other day and I was like, get ready. We're going to be flossing every night before bed because he's the guy that gets me to floss. He was dying. He was like, oh, you know what? I'm at CVS right now.

I'm literally buying floss sticks. I was like, hell yeah, Ben. Like, that's the camarader. It's so dumb. But these people become your family. Like, they really do. You spend so much time on this bus. What number two are, because you did six studio albums,

what number two are you guys on with this new one places to run? Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I mean, I think probably at this point there's been like probably a dozen. Yeah, easily. I think since coming back to music in like 2017, this is. probably like six. Yeah, it's probably like six.

So, yeah, so probably like six when we were younger. Oh my gosh. What was the hiatus? You said you came back in 2017 and your first album was 20 years ago. So how long did you guys take of a break? Ten years. We took like a 10 year break, which is kind of crazy. It almost doesn't feel like it was 10 years because we were working on all the acting

stuff. So like a lot of the projects, I think that people associate us with happened in that time frame, funny. Yeah. Outside of maybe like a couple Disney things. But really anything that was like post Disney is all the stuff. that we kind of did in that time frame. Wow.

Do you have a preference, acting or music? I really love both and I have like such a heart for both, but the music is really like, it's really where it's at for me. Like being on stage live every night playing in front of fans, it's so much fun. You get like a rush. The instant gratification of that and that love and energy you receive in real time. Like being on a set is great, but then you might not see the project for months later and you might be really surprised by how it turned out.

it might not be anything you imagine, which can be kind of upsetting. I think that's the hardest part about, like, being an actor is that you're kind of, like, at the mercy of how they roll out the film, like, whether that's, like, the edit or the cast or, you know, like, when it's put out, how it's, how it's marketed, like, all those little tiny things that you, like, have no control over. Which is why so many actors end up becoming producers. Oh, so then you get a say. Yeah, so you can have a little more control or why they are like, I want to be a producer and I

want to also direct it. Or, you know, like, yeah. So I think that's the hardest part of being an actor is that you're creative, but it's not all your creation. You're like a little small puzzle. And your creation could be really brilliant, but in like the wrong setting, you could be like, this was a great film. Like it was a great script. It read great. You know, on set, chemistry and everything worked.

But like the edit of the film just doesn't do it justice or whatever, you know. Is there any projects you thought of that you're like, oh, this could have been great that come to mind? You don't have to say if you want. No, there's definitely things that, like, I think in hindsight I'm, like, still proud of, but I feel like there's, like, an even better version of what that project was out there in my mind. I'm like, oh, that, like, if we'd only splurged on, like, these things or if they had focused more on this part of the storyline and instead, you know, didn't focus on this weird thing that, like, took all the characters in this strange course. I feel like Allie's totally right that you really don't have a lot of control at the end of the day.

but I feel like everything I've been in, anything that I felt on set I kind of had a feeling wouldn't be great ended up not being great. Oh, interesting. And then anything that I thought was really wonderful actually ended up being really solid. So I actually feel like I've dealt with...

It's almost like you saw it coming. You're like, yeah, this is going to be a weird scene. I don't think there's been one project where I'm like, oh, this is going to be amazing. And then I saw it and I was like, what? But that's good. You're like, you're like, you feel weird about it. You're like, I'm still going to commit to this role.

I'm still going to do it. Like, I'm here. I'm here for another 30 days. Yeah. Or you might love the character and you're like, this is a great opportunity for me, but I don't know if the director knows what he's doing, but we're gonna have fun, let's go.

You know what's great though too is like over time, as you guys have probably seen now, you've been in this industry for like 20 years, is like sometimes they become like cult favorites, you know? Yeah, that's true. Like something you may not think was like all that amazing. I think we see that a lot even with Disney Channel.

It's like, all the stuff was amazing, but like rewatching like a cowbells, for instance, you're kind of like, this kind of eight actually, you know, because you think of silly Disney movies. Yeah, right. It's kind of good. There's ones that are like really bad that are like unwatchable.

There's some that don't age well at all. But the did you know what? Some that don't. But I feel like there's some that... If you go back. If you go back, you'll watch someone, you're like, this actually doesn't make that much sense as a storyline. But others do.

And when there's others, you're like, okay, this works. Oh, I'm like smart house. Zon. Throw and through. Smart house. I haven't seen Smart House in a really long time. But I feel like Zenon, we always loved Zeyn on. But Smart House is Katie Siegel.

So it's like... That's a pretty... It's a legit, legit actress. And that the boy that was in who's in the look of the Irish. Remember that one? Maryman. Did you know him? I loved him.

He was my name. Didn't know him, but I know. He was older than you guys. I feel like, a good one, for example, was like, now you see it. That doesn't all have a good wrap up the way that that movie. It's kind of missing some stuff. You're like, are there some scenes that were cut? And there weren't.

It's just like that was the script. How interesting. That's a good point. That one loses me a little bit in terms of story. Somebody mentioned that online. They were like, did you ever realize like there's like not that much magic actually in this magic movie? There's hardly any magic in the movie. Yeah, actually, you're really right.

Probably because we didn't have a great budget for it. No budget. That's so interesting. But you know what? I think the, isn't there a now you see me movie that's magic? Oh, like the magic movies, yeah. They could have taken from now to see it. That's true.

They could. Like there's inspiration there. And I mean like three of those. You're right. There's three, yeah. And it's a legit. I don't think it ever saw them. It's all magic, right?

I didn't either. It's all magic. And I think they had a budget for magic. It's like, uh, Dave Franco. Aila Fisher. Yep. And the dude from social network. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Oh my God. be crazy if it drew inspiration from a Disney channel. Who knows? With all the nostalgia happening, obviously Hannah Montana is doing their 20 years. She's like doing something now.

Did you see she's in her full Hannah Montana? I saw a paparazzi photos of her in a wig. I was hoping she would do that. Would you guys ever do that, revisit, like fill the future reunion or Cowbells too? Sure. I mean, so much of the cast are in different, you know, like careers now, which is actually really interesting.

Like, not everybody ended up staying in the business. but we're all still buddies. Like me and Revee and Amy are like buddies. We message, we text, we like hang out. Just as people, you're never like, let's get a reunion together. I mean, I don't know. I feel like Phil was successful, but it wasn't at the level of like Hannah or like Lizzie. It was kind of like it flew a little bit under the radar.

I think it was also like it was a quirky show given that it was about a boy from the future. You know, so it's very specific. Because I was very not in touch with the Disney Channel after, you know, I'm like a little older. I think people would want to reach. I felt the future was definitely one that was like on the radar, so I think you under estimate. I don't know if Disney, if you're into it, I don't know what the storyline would be.

It's like Phil stayed in the future. Or he comes back and takes Keely with him? I don't know, yeah. What year was it supposed to take place? Yeah, that would be everything. We would be open to it. We've talked about that more and more. Or like it's our daughters who now work in the factory.

Wait, that's actually so cute. Oh my gosh, that repu should happen. Especially because you guys, you guys could sing in it and stuff like that, you know, do a whole new album and soundtrack. That could work. It could work. It could work. We could be, there could be a storyline where, like, I don't know, they went on tour.

They became musicians or something after saving the dairy farm. I don't know. Wait, that's so cute. It's giving Hannah Montana. It's right itself. Yes, pitch it. Was it true that you were offered Hannah Montana? I was.

I don't, I mean, I know it was very soon after Phil rapped and they were looking for, like, the next shows. And I think at that point, like, I was almost, I was like 16 and a half, maybe 17. Okay. So definitely older, I think, then. Miley was probably at that time. And I don't know, I just felt like it didn't make sense. Like, I think it was all meant to be the way it is.

And this is for so many projects. Like you look at people that were like originally supposed to be cast in it. And then it goes to someone else. And you're like, whoa, that's so weird. But that was supposed to be that way. So I feel like, yeah, there's no regrets there. I just didn't, I don't know, for whatever reason. It didn't feel like I needed to spend more time at the channel at that point.

I felt like I had done what I kind of needed to at the channel. and was looking for, you know, different projects. And also, yeah, at Disney. The channel. I know I always say the channel. Everyone who's been on the show, on TV there, always says channel. Oh, it's so weird. It's fine.

I hear it from so many people. Maybe it's because of the way that, like, it's talked about. Like, that's just like the channel. Oh, okay. It's so funny. That's so interesting. You say Disney. You're like, what's the channel?

Yeah, so you were just done being Disney. Right. Yeah, it does sound like a cool. Yeah, and I think, like, at that point, too, I had done, you know, a show. where, although it doesn't even actually seem like that long, it was, I think, we did two seasons, so it was like two-ish years, you know, plus the pilot or whatever. So it was like maybe, you know, contractually like three years of having been, you know, on the show. Wow. It's a long time for a young kid. But in my mind, I'm thinking three years is nothing, you know. So you're like 14 to 17 when

you did the show. Yeah. And those are like pivotal years. Those are like puberty years. It's like growing up and changing and hormones. And yeah. Wow, that's so wild. And you were going to be they had pitched maybe that you'd be the friend, Emily Osmond's character. Yeah, well, that had... After Allie kind of, not pushed back, but kind of showed that it wasn't necessarily the route she wanted to take. That was how they kind of sweetened the deal. They were like, maybe she could be the sister and it was like, or I mean, the friend,

and we were like, but we're sisters. I kind of love that, though. That's so fun. The nepotism is great, too. That would have worked, I feel, like, more. It was total sister nepotism. Like, that totally could work. But then you wouldn't have been singing and we actually sing.

So that would have just felt weird. Or at least I think in the moment it felt weird. I think also Ali was like, how am I going to get away with being Ali and AJ and Hannah Montana? And Ali Mashaka. And Ali Mashaka in the show. It's because she has to wear the weight.

I'm wearing, I'm like three, four different people. So Ali was like, I don't know if I want to do this. And then the character in the show was not Hannah. So I would have been like four people. Wow, that is. Which went by Miley, right? Didn't she go by Miley? She was Miley Cyrus and also Miley Stewart.

Right. And then Hannah Montana. Right. So she had to be like all three as, yeah. Oh, so you'd be like seven people. Yeah. Was anyone trying to push you in that direction? Like, this is it?

Or, like, they just didn't know at the time that it would be, like, or you just like, had the same? I don't think no one knew it was going to be that. I think they were just like, you know, it was like any other pilot, you know, that comes through Disney. But the head of Disney Channel definitely wanted Allie to do it. Like, I would say they pushed for that.

Who were still, like, buddies with. Like, we just saw him for lunch the other day. Wow. That is so wild. And then so you guys, you talked about how loving music. You started young. You guys were both. You both played instruments, like lots of instruments, right?

So who goes into acting first? I would assume you go in because you're older. Well, weirdly, AJ ended up actually booking before me. So, like, when we, I guess, got agents, we were still quite young. But she started booking, like, way before me, like, a good couple years. Wow. Yeah, because you had braces, which also, like, at the time, like, that just wasn't good for camera, which I feel like now. I feel like kids now would be more embraced, like, yeah, they have funky teeth.

Like, they look like a kid. Yeah. But, like, you know, whatever it was, 20 years ago, it was like, They weren't into it. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, they wanted you to have like flippers and like the perfect teeth and wild. So I booked a commercial,

which is what first got me like my sag card. Although the commercial never aired. It was like a, it was the company went under. Oh, it doesn't exist anymore. No. Was it toys, food? It was Montgomery Ward. It was like an old department store.

Yes. Oh, that's big. So the commercial was supposed to air and then the company went under and it never aired. And AJ was like so excited, you know, because it was like a national commercial. Oh, I got my sack card. Did you get paid?

I got paid. Okay. I got paid. Sometimes those companies go under and you never hear the money. I got paid, but no residuals because it didn't have to. Right. Wow. But then I ended up booking not long after that a show on CBS for two years, a drama called The Guardian, which I was the only kid on it.

It was like a show about a law firm between a father and a son. How old were you when you booked that? 12. Wow. Yeah. And I'm still really good friends with the creator. You might have even been younger when I first booked it. Maybe 11.

Yeah. Wow. 11 years old and you're like. I did it for two years. With adults. All adults. Wait. How does that feel for you?

Because I know you love acting, obviously, but are you like, this is a lot? I was definitely intimidated at first, especially because they were just such incredible actors, but they ended up all becoming, like, my mentors and my acting coaches. I mean, that was my, I was going to acting class every day for two years on set just because of these people. So it was really, but I was definitely intimidated at first. I was a kid. I was super nervous. But to this day, I'm really good friends with the creator, and he's amazing.

That seems like a pattern. Like the head of Disney channel, you're like friends with you stay friends. That's like good. That says a lot about you guys. fact that it's like long lasting. Have you guys ever done memoirs? No. No. Never wrote written books. No. Wow. I'm surprised with all the lore you have separately too. We have lore separate and together. We have some lore together. But I do you want to write one about her home birth story. Your home birth. That's like it would be a good, it would be a good story or my birth like journey.

Have you never talked about it? I mean, I talked about it on like social media like, you know, posting like a Instagram thing. But like people don't probably know like the whole beginning to end of it which is interesting. You just had your first son two years ago. Yeah, first. So it's going to be too soon, right? In April. We have kids the same age,

and my daughter's going to be two in May. So you had a home birth. Did you plan a home birth? Is that your plan? Yeah, yeah. It was planned. And it kind of switched from being like a hospital birth to then being like, no, actually,

I'm feeling like this is supposed to be the way I'm supposed to do it. Which, you know, everybody has their own preference. Some people will feel more safe in a hospital. Some feel like, you know, the birth industry has been kind of, you know, become a business, which it is, you know? So it's hard. It's like it's a thing that's very personal.

And for us, for whatever reason, we just, we felt like we wanted to bring him into our home in this way. And it ended up being like a real, like, dream birth, which was pretty cool. Oh, so it was a beautiful experience. I didn't know if it was like something traumatic. No, no.

And I do think there's a memoir there. It was beautiful. It was all really positive. Which is good. I think I'm so on that side of TikTok for some reason still. And I think they scare people into not having childbirth. Oh, 100%. 100%. So to have like a good, because that is,

were you unmedicated too? Do you just draw it? Yeah. You can't really do anything. There's no medicated birth and a homeless. I'm like her advocate. I wasn't there. Yeah. I met him two days later. I wasn't there. Why don't I think you would be there? Yeah. There's almost a version of her. People are always shocked. You know what? She's not leaning over being like, you could do it.

That was for her and her husband. Like that was, you know, that was a moment of me. Yeah. People just know you as such a duo. That's like, why were you not there? Yeah. Oh my God. No, I think I think you're right though. Like TikTok, you know. Instagram, even like, you know, I don't know, TV shows and movies do depict homebirths going bad, which is really sad because there's actually quite a low percentage of homebirths that go really bad. Like I was talking to my midwife and my doula about it, and they were like, well, in most cases that we've experienced at least, like 10% of the time we're transferring somebody to a hospital just because they kind of got tired and they're ready to get some help, you know, some pain management.

like an epidural or something. And she's like really like 1% or less is an actual like emergency emergency. So it's actually quite low. I think it's just it's not. Yeah, and it's not normalized in our side of the world. So I think it's just more of like a, oh my gosh, this must be scary and dangerous.

Yeah, that's how we are always presented to. I always love the idea of like a water berth, but they were like, no, it's like so scary. But you could totally do it. I know. I love it. Like, did you do the pictures and everything. Were you like, were you in a, where did a tub?

Yeah, I love when people do that from their house just like in it. No medication. Yeah. You can't really do anything. Like the only thing I think you, if you wanted to, like, medicate, it would be, like, having, like, a glass of wine or something. Yeah, because they can't get in a journal if you wanted to. Because at that point, the baby's cooked and, like, they're ready to come.

So it's not like you're doing something harmful for them. Wow. You can just light up a shit. Yeah, I know. I'd like her end up going that route. But, like, people online were like, if that's something that's soothing for you, you can do it. Or, like, a glass of wine. Okay.

I know that. I was like that. You're not saying, like, get trapped. Yes. But a glass of life. They're like, don't get drunk. Yeah. We're not saying, um,

bad. Right. Not medical advice, but, you know, yeah. That is so, was it, I mean, I've been through three births, but like, was it painful?

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HomeCef.com slash Trish must be an active subscriber to receive free dessert. Thank you so much to Home Chef for sponsoring today's episode. I mean, it's funny. I did like hypno birthing classes like in advance leading up to it thinking, you know, maybe I'll be able to utilize this, which I did in certain aspects, but I was definitely not hypnotized during my own birth. And I think I was thinking like, oh, I might be in this like zen like hypnosis. I was like, no. It's probably so hard to apply that. I bet there are. people who trained for years. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Also, I wasn't somebody that meditated beforehand. Right. So that maybe wasn't also helping me. It wasn't like I was some, you know, meditative guru sitting there being like, I've been doing this for 10 years. When she told me she was going to get into hypnobirth, I was like, wow, that's amazing. It just didn't feel like Alex. Like that's not like, yeah. It was not my normal day to day.

Yeah, but I was like, that's great. But I definitely felt like, I felt the contractions. If you're, you know, getting specific, it's like, yes, those moments that, like, it was really like that, writing that wave. and it just felt like they were, you know, coming so fast, and then they would subside, and then you'd have, like, a minute to kind of, like, catch your breath, and then it'd be back. But my labor was technically quite short.

Like, from the time I think I was an active labor to delivering was, like, under seven hours. Wow. I mean, I think for, like, a first birth especially. Yeah, wow, but that's still a long time. Seven hours is kind of way. What about you? All three, I assume, were different.

Yes. Well, I ended up having three sections. We tried, I tried. I tried. Natural-ish. I definitely wanted that epidural as soon as I could get it. I definitely was in the drugs. Yes, and I weirdly did a meditative thing, too.

I was really into it when I was pregnant. I probably meditated like 12 hours a day. Like I would just sit out there and just like meditate. That's great. Yeah, because I wanted to be offline. I was like getting a lot of hate that. So let me just be offline and meditate. I was going through stuff.

I was like I need to. So I was in that same sphere. I didn't know there was a thing. What's it called? Hypno birthing. I never heard that, which I guess is what I was trying to do. You and your partner or your partner can help you get into a hypnosis state. Yes.

Yeah, we were kind of, we were there for all the pregnancy. My pregnancy was so easy. I'm like, this is so easy. Like, no pain, nothing, never. Everything was perfect. And then, yeah, when the contraction started, I was like, this is happening. Yes, and I was screaming. And it was awful.

Once I had the epidural, I was great. I was someone that's like, ooh, this is easy, easy. Second one, we did plan C-section. That was real easy. You walk in 10 minutes, the baby's out. And then third one came like three weeks early. And again, I was in screaming pain. But, you know, it's worth it.

You forget it. You forget it. You're like, I could do this again. It's weird how your mind. does like a mind wipe on it. I think it's part of her biology. So it's like how crazy. But then every time we're like, oh no, when it starts to happen, you're like, oh no, we got to do this again because it is life risking. I did tubulgation this last time because I was like, I probably could, I would want to just keep getting pregnant. I'm like, I need to stop because

you're like, we're done now. Yes, yes. So that is so interesting. And now you bring, you brought the baby, what's your son's name? Jack. Jack, you brought, love that name. You brought Jack on the road with you guys last tour. And he'll be back out with us this, this tour too. I need to know how this is. So how does this. work? I mean, it works with like a great little village that we have. I mean, I think it helps that like our crew is so sweet and, you know, just awesome around him and are down to like help, you know. We have a nanny that comes out on the road just for like the tour. Yeah. And she helps from like four till midnight. She's kind of when she's on the clock. But like before that, it's like me,

AJ, my husband, we're all kind of wrangling him from when he wakes up until four o'clock. Wow. Because That's a lot of energy too to like have to take care of your baby. And it gets a lot. And he's like walking. I mean, I was saying to, you know, friends that were asking, like, how are you, how are you doing it? And I was like, honestly, I was like, the easiest version of a tour would be like him pre-walking. Because he's not like getting into stuff. Yes.

You know, I'm like, actually a newborn baby on tour sounds great. Yes. I'm like, give me a four or five-month-old baby. Great. That would be brilliant. The worst time to travel, they say, is like, the. one and a half to two because they're just starting. That happened with our two-year-old to New York,

just running all over the plane. Just cannot get them to sit. But at least it's fun. Like a bus, you kind of rock to sleep. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I feel like once he's in, I mean, he's a really good kid, like even as many flights as he's taken over his lifetime. It's kind of crazy.

He has, like, status now, which is funny. Wow. That's two. That too. But, like, I feel like there's that age where you can kind of reason with them a little bit more. And I feel like when he's, like, three, he'll be able to kind of understand and more like, okay, we have to be, like, we have to be good on this flight. And, like, you know, we're going to get snacks and it's going to be special.

And this is, like, a fun adventure. You know, so, like, the older they are, I mean, you know, like, you can explain it to them better. Yeah. We only have a three-year-old and she's better, but my, like, brother will have, like, seven and eight. They're so easy at that age. So it's like, yeah. You're like, I'm waiting for those days. The trenches, yeah.

But, you know, enjoy it well. You can. Are you babysitting? Yes. Yes. Yes. I love watching him. Because to me, like, before I had babies, I was like, I'm so scared of babies, but you're just, like, so natural.

Because I think it was entertainment tonight. I think you handed off Jack to AJ. And you're like, are they actually going to babysit him? I do. I do all the time. He's never stayed. Allie still breastfeed. So he has never, like, stayed at mine exclusively alone. But as soon as he's ready to do that, I'm down. I mean, it would be funny. Like, I mean, we should try it. It would be an interesting. It would be an interesting experience to experiment to just see AJ be like, okay, you have like 24 hours. with him. It's hard. There you go.

Even my own baby, I don't know if I could. It'll be a lot. It's gnarly. It'll be hard. But in terms of watching him, yeah, like if Allie has to go do something. Yeah, she's like, I'll watch it for three hours.

I'll put it in a park, whatever. He's so. He loves her. We're so close. Oh, I love that. He, like, knows her face probably better than anyone outside of me and my husband. He probably senses, too. Like, also you guys, like, now I'm looking into together.

You guys actually look a lot of like. Do people cover confuse you as, like, twins? A lot of people say twins. We actually don't feel like we look alike. I feel like so much. Your eyes, your smile. I think our eyes. I think that's like our eye color.

We either get that we look like twins or we get that people don't even know we're related. It's very weird. We don't get in the middle. People will ask us, you know, like someone maybe who's older and doesn't know about the music. They're like, when did you guys start becoming a band?

I'm like, no, no, we're sisters. That is so funny. It's like, where did this come about? 2026. It's crazy. 20 years and you guys are still like thriving to our baby white lotus. Yes. Do you watch White Lotus?

I mean, who does it? Who does it? This is the big show. Not everybody does. What? I mean, not everyone, you know? I think everybody. It's like the biggest show, right? Number one.

Everybody loves this. We were so good, because we had been talking, I think, through someone, you know, like, we have a booker. Someone was talking and we're like, oh, my God, Ellie and A.J. Wouldn't get them on. And then as soon as we saw the White Lotus, we're like, oh, not going to happen. Yeah, that's it. That's funny. That's good.

Literally before this tour, I'm not kidding. We messaged our publicist and we were like, hey, So like, we don't want to do this on Zoom. Because then it'll be after an age will be gone. So we were like, let's make sure we can get in with Tricia before tour. So we made this happen. We made it happen. Crazy.

This was not like I booked something. No, no, no, no. Because we knew that then AJ would be off filming and it would be like she's not back for a long time. So we were like, we were just talking before. We were just talking before. It's like six weeks tour. Then you're like going and you guys go and you guys go and then you guys go. I was like, oh my gosh, this whole year is booked.

Yeah, it is. I mean, if you can come. I was looking for us. I was like, where can we go? because you guys start in Charlottesville, or Virginia. Is that where you are? Yeah, I was like, can we go there? Because you guys are going to, like, I love Indianapolis.

That's like one of my favorite places to go. Like, you guys are two nights there. I love all the places you guys are going. You just fly out. You're just fly out. I would. A mom of three. Can I tell you 100% what?

I have a great husband who's like, if you did, yeah, he is great that way. And I 100% would because sometimes the LA shows, it's like, you know, you get all the celebrities or influencers. Right, right, right, right. But you want an Aaheim. You want an A&A. That's not true. I don't think so.

It's not LA. Because it's not like heart of LA. Come to the Anaheim watch. With your sister. With your sister. Oh, and she loves, because she's like, she's a little younger than me. So she's like in that age range and she loved a fill of the future. She's like such a thing.

I know. I should have her come to. I don't know. She's based in LA too. Yeah, she's . So she also, like you said Village, very close. My mom's down there and we have everybody because it does take a lot. Can you share anything?

Audition process or anything? I post in a picture with Mike White. Yeah. So you met in person. Yes, we met in person. We met in person. I can't share anything necessarily about the character, but the auditioning process was actually really fun and positive. And, you know, as an actor, you kind of do this all the time.

And I just got asked while I was on tour, like, well, you tape for this. And I was like, absolutely. I had taped for season three for Amy Lou Woods character. And she was like perfect for that. So it made so much sense. So they asked me back, which was great. And I taped. We had a day off in Marfa, Texas.

So my drummer played a character in the show. Ali played a character in the show. My brother-in-law, her husband filmed it, and we just did it in a hotel room. And she sent it off. And she didn't have to go in like eight times. You know, some people have to go in like eight times. That wasn't hers.

It was one self-taper. It was one self-tape. And then we had to wait quite a bit of time. And then like two months later, they were like, we want, you know, Mike wants to read with you. Wow. When you come in and do a Zoom.

And so it was just me and two girls. And then I found out like two days later after that Zoom. Oh, my God. It was crazy. So it was a very quick. process in a way. And I think Mike just knows. He just knows as soon as he sees it,

he's like, that person's right. Wow. He just really smart. Do you like cry? I feel like that's like one of those moments where it's like life changing because you've done so many iconoc girls. Obviously both of you have done iconic girls. I couldn't even imagine the biggest show in the world.

And it's like, oh my gosh. Well, especially when you get like so many nose over the course of your career. And there's so, you know, there's only so many yeses that you get. And then you get one that you like really wanted. You know, like that's, that's, that's, that's, That's when it really, like, sinks in. The biggest one. Yeah, because, like, well, obviously doing it for 20 years, there's slow parts to everyone's career.

So it's, like, probably there's a minute, obviously, did Goldbergs, which was huge and went on so many seasons. But still, there's those highs and lows. And so for it to go be, like, the highish. I haven't been, like, chills. And I haven't been just focused on music. So it's, like, to have that opportunity and for that to come back in my life. I was like, this is a really beautiful moment. Like, I'm super, super grateful.

France, too. Yeah. There was a location. You were going to join. I think I started those rumors. Did you start out? I'm not going to lie. I texted my agent.

I was like, is she joining the cast? She was like, I don't think so. No, no, no, definitely not. Well, you know, I've only booked two shows in my whole life in the past year, and they're both HBO Max. So I was putting it out there. It's like maybe a white list. Two other shows.

She's in the new season of horror. That's cool. And I did one more show for HBO Max this past year. And I can tell you, but it was really fun. Yeah, so I did that one. That comes out soon, though, soon. So I thought maybe I'm on a streak. And granted, I play myself in both of these versions.

I love it. But just in case they needed an influencer or whatever. I was like, maybe. Ready, I'm available in case there's like a last minute dropout. I'm there. No, but that's my... I'll let Mike know. That's my favorite.

We had Lucas Gage on here, and all I can ask is like questions about why I love us because I'm just, it's my, it's everyone's favorite. Everyone loves it. And everyone just becomes... He's cool. That's so exciting. Hey, oh my gosh, I'm very happy for you. I love to see it.

I love it. I always got so excited. But the touring is, again, the thing you guys are focusing on for the next six weeks. Are you preparing? How are you preparing for it? You guys are probably done. Rehearsals are over. Rehearsals are over.

I mean, essentially, we did this show, September, October, November, so we feel, like, very locked into this tour. So this is an extension. Got it. Just, like, hitting more markets. Markets that we don't usually get to because they're not, like, a major market.

They're, like, a city that, you know, doesn't always get a tour to come into town. Which is actually really cool. It's fun for us, because a lot of these places we haven't hit either in a really long time or at all. Yeah. Like, we're playing, like, Portland, Maine for the first time.

and which is awesome. And Wyoming for the first time. I know. I know there's enemies out there. I'm like we've never played Wyoming in our entire career. Wow. Yeah. So I'm excited.

So we already felt really locked into this show, but we ended up doing another round of rehearsals earlier this month with the band and crew just to polish everything up. Okay. And so I feel ready on a musical level. I don't feel ready on a personal level. Like I haven't packed. Right.

And we leave in two days. Oh. Because I've been prepping too for the show. So I'm kind of like, yeah. But I'll figure it out. That's what I'm shocked here. I'm packed. I'm packing a mark.

You're packed. She's packed. Babies packed. Husbands packed. Yeah. That's a lot. I packed day before. It was gnarly, yeah.

But I did it. I did it. You have to really like prepare ahead of time. She has more people. And I'm trying to like shove in like more items in one suitcase as opposed to two. I always would do like one suitcase. And then a small mini suitcase that was like my glam suitcase. And instead I'm putting an all in one.

I don't know how I'm doing it. Yeah. It makes sense to have one hard. It's hard. Do you not have, do you pack all your own clothes and makeup and stuff? Do you have like a stylist that comes with you? We pack all of our wardrobe on like vaults, so they're in like a wardrobe case,

you know, that gets rolled off the truck. Right. So the suitcases are just our personal. The suitcase is just personal. But like... But we pack our own glam. Yeah, we do our own, we do our own makeup for shows. No way.

Yeah. Where'd you learn? How'd you guys learn to do that? I think just being on so many sets. I think I'm being on so many sets. We've learned so much about... Just watching. Yeah.

And it's not even like I would be like, I want to be a makeup artist or hair. Like, it actually sounds, I don't think I'm good at doing someone else. It's like I can do my own self, you know? You guys look amazing on stage. That's why it's like so amazing. Oh, my God.

But that probably makes it so much easier. Then you don't have to sit for a long time. It kind of makes it easier. And it's like it's good. It's better for our budget. It's one or two less people that you're bringing out and putting in a hotel and salaries. And in a way, like I kind of find it a little like bit of a moment to just kind of like meditate. You know, like doing your own glam in a way is like calming.

Yeah. It's like your own time too. It's like your me time away. Yeah. So I don't mind it. I like it. I think we'll always do that when we're out on the road. You know, for other things, like, it's nice if you get, like, glamped on for a red carpet or something, a photo shoot.

But for stage, I'm like, it's not really necessary. It's us, you know? Makes it easier for everyone. And the new album, it is very different music. I listened to it, because I didn't know. I didn't know you guys released the album last, what was it, last May. And it's such a different vibe. And it's, like, kind of like 70s, I guess, a little, like, retro.

Sure, yeah. Which is like, okay, obviously, you guys, me too. We're in the 70s. How come that is your inspiration? What gave you that? such a different route from like pop music. Yeah. I think part of it was maybe just like recording it in Topanga Canyon,

which, you know, has so much music history from that era specifically. You know, owning houses in Laurel Canyon. Like I think there's just a tie to the music scene in California during that time, which was so explosive in the kind of 60s and 70s. And so I think the music has kind of gradually shifted to being inspired by those eras and by the bands that made music back then. And I don't know. I think the music, I mean, it's always, it's always going to be rooted in, you know,

pop music, I think, ultimately, because pop is what we grew up on and pop is popular and is, you know, it has so many hooks and things that you want to sing, which I think is really wonderful about pop music as a genre. But I think the production is kind of the things that we've been able to build out around the music. to feel more like the place we're in now. And I think the music that we listen to now as opposed to what we were listening to in 2004. Is there a specific band from that era

that you would draw inspiration from it that you think this album kind of reflects? I mean, there's not like one band, I think. Artists. But we listen to a lot of like Beach Boys. Beach Boys is probably the biggest one in terms of like a band that we grew up listening to as young girls just over and over all the time.

I don't think that the music sounds like the Beach Boys. No, I don't think the Beach Boys are their own things. But it's cool that that's a band that has obviously influenced the music over time. And then like Hart, Fleetwood Mac. Like there's definitely people that we listen to that I think have just naturally influenced us. Again, you don't even want to say because they're like legends that are like untouchable. You're untouchable. But still, I think it's infused in the writing.

Is there a biopic? You could play the role of anybody who would you play? Because biopics are so big right now, right? Everyone, like I think Mama Cass one is coming into production. Is there somebody you would love to play? even if you don't look like or sound like the person. Nancy and Ann Wilson. I mean, that would be sick.

We would die. Do you know if there's anything happening? Yeah, there was supposed to be. There was supposed to be. Yeah. There was for a while a heart biopic in pre-production. I don't know what ended up happening with it. They never approached you though.

No. I think, I feel like that's, I mean, that's a hard one too. It's like Anne has such a specific vocal. I mean, unless they're wanting to use her voice. Sometimes they want that even they can sing. Or they can blend the voice with the actress. So they can do it. they can like blend the original singer.

It's smart to do. It's funny. If I'm being completely honest, I don't really like watching biopics. Really? Yeah. I would rather watch a doc on the artist and all the behind the scenes footage.

It's also, biopics are hard because they always take place in a moment in time where you're like, that's not the most interesting part we could be telling about this person. Or they shove in way too much into a two-hour film and you're like, oh, you just gave me like their 20-year lifespan.

up to when they, you know, had their dissent and now they're, you know, like. Yeah. I feel like they could almost just focus in on like a week or something. You know, like, I thought that was one thing that they did really well in the, um, the Marilyn Monroe movie that, that, uh. Oh, De Armas did? No, no, um, the other one. Michelle Williams. It was just, it was just in a week.

That was beautiful. It was just a week of her life, which I thought was really interesting, or a couple weeks or something of her life. I think there's ones that are well done. Yeah. But a lot of times I'm like, it's missing the mark. The Dylan one was cool in the sense that it was all about, like, like, like him becoming, you know, plugging in, right?

Like, playing electric guitar, like not just being an acoustic. It wasn't his entire career. It wasn't his entire career. I thought that was well done. Which was cool. Yeah, because I'm someone who knows nothing about Bob Dylan and you watch the movie, you're like, I love Bob Dylan now, you know. But that's cool though, Bob.

But it's cool that it can, like, expand your mind in that way, you know, where you're like, oh, I'm even more of a fan of the music than I thought I was. Yeah, I thought that was Queen too. I remember watching Bohemian and Rop's saying, I didn't know they did all these songs. And then you're like, oh, I love it. And then you know their story and what they stood for, the advocacy of it all. And I thought it was, yeah.

But I get that too, like sometimes just watching. I don't know, I just love a doc. I think that's maybe just, I'm like, a music doc. I'm like, give me, you know, the Nina Simone doc. It's like, perfect. I haven't really credible. Amy Winehouse dog.

I'm like, yeah. The doc is like, it says everything about her. Yeah, that was, those are beautiful. That was beautiful. I don't think they should make a, are they, were they making a movie on there? They made about it. I think they did.

I don't think it did great. It did not. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like. It's a hard person to capture. Yeah. And it's not even like you could do an amazing performance of it still, but it's like, I don't know, someone like her, she's such a spark plug. The girl who played her is really talented.

Yeah, she is. But someone that, you know, has to step into a role like that, like, that's such a hard thing. I would almost be like, I don't want the pressure of having to hold that, you know what I mean? Especially like the dark parts of someone's life, you know, it could come across as like a mockery or like, you know. Exploitation. Yeah. That's the way the hardest part of it is that it can become exploitative. It also seems unfair if the person's no longer alive and they can't be a part of it.

Kind of, yeah. Like, you know, Bruce Springsteen was like very much a part of the movie that Jeremy Allen White did. So that was kind of cool. You know, it's like he was a part of it. Right. Or like a family that has maybe the rights is able to be, like something. Yeah. So you would not want an Allie and A.J. biopic one day.

I don't know. I don't think so. No, I mean, gosh, in 30, 40 years, if we matter that much. If we matter then, that's great. That's cool. People I feel like would love to see it. Would you ever do? Because documentaries are so big right now.

like Becky G just did one would you guys ever do? Because it's kind of like the modern day, like reality show, but like a nicer format. Would you ever have you guys documented anything on the road, anything these past couple years with all those stuff you've been doing? We've documented a ton, but we've never put together like a docufilm of our life on the road. And I do actually think it would be fascinating. Like we have so much footage from 2017 on that her husband's been able to document that I feel like would be great for like a Disney Plus documentary, you know, like a film documentary.

They're so big right now. I do think there's something there for sure. We just have to put it together and sell it. But I don't know how you have time for everything, because I also saw that you did, you were just in Washington, D.C. With, was it March 4th? Yes, which is, I just discovered this too. Like, I wasn't aware. Like, it's amazing what you're doing.

So basically trying to minimize mass shootings with like action advocacy. How did you guys get involved in that? Is that something you started? Did they ask you to be involved in it? How did that work? That was a DM, which is kind of crazy through Instagram that we just saw. And that, I guess the first time that we went out to D.C. with them was in 2024. before. And it was right when it was right before that White House was switching over. So it was still,

we were still under President Biden. And, you know, he went and visited the Office of Gun Violence Prevention, which was really cool. That was something that was set up under his administration. And we were able to kind of talk and share ideas and thoughts about it. But I think the reason why we got as active as we are now in this space when it comes to gun reform is because we both survived a mass shooting out on tour back in 20, 22. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I had no idea.

Yeah. In Sacramento. Yeah. So we were just kind of put in this, you know, experience. And I think now we've been able to really share our story and raise money for, you know, every town, March 4th. And we wrote a song about it, which I think is really how March 4th connected with us because they saw the song come out.

And they were like, we want you to come, you know, advocate and come to the White House with us. and lobby for this bill. So their number one goal is to reinstate the assault weapons ban, which, you know, we haven't, that hasn't been in place in a long time. And when it was, it worked. So that's the goal. That's the number one goal with Marks Force. So when was it this year?

Yeah, January. January. So what was the steps you were just trying to like repri- You know, we weren't actually there. Yeah, we weren't there for like a bill, right, specifically? No, but we were there to, I mean, being that we're California constituents, we talked to a lot of California Dems. So like we spoke with Adam Schiff, we spoke with Mike Thompson,

we spoke with Ted Liu, which was really, really cool. And it was more to just share our story and to just keep that topic on kind of the top of the list. Because right now it's not. Like gun control is just not at the top. Which is insane because it's just all over the news and then they try to hide it and it is, that's like the worst part.

There's plenty of bad things about America, but that's like it doesn't happen in other countries and you're just like, why? And it's the gun laws of it. Which, you get in this good, spokespeople for it because I wouldn't you wouldn't think it happened to you right you know what I mean like you're like oh you guys are celebrities you're southern California you have like protection scary so it's like that it can happen anywhere which is like totally and that's the scariest part wow so we've just

tried to be proactive in you know getting people involved and and donating their time and money to causes that are really like pushing the the gun reform forward and we we talk about every night on stage and we just like stop the show and we have people donate real time it's very cool. Wow. Wow, that is amazing. You do a lot. You also do, I saw on your bio is the National Suicide Prevention Hotline you have on there. Is that something else that you guys work with or is it something

personal to you? Yeah. Mainly with the Trevor Project specifically. So we work a lot with LGBTQ youth and I think just being allies for the community has always just been like number one priority for Allie and I. There's just something about that as well as gun reform that have just felt like this is kind of our cause

outside of music. They really do. So yeah, we've done a lot of work with the Trevor Project. We've raised a lot of money for them. When you say coincide, like a crossover where you see it? Yeah, I think because the gun reform is only going to help bring down those rates of suicide if a gun is a lot harder to get a hold of. You know, I think people in desperate moments find ways to get a hold of something that maybe if it had taken longer for them to be processed in the system or if there was a red flag on them,

they'd make a different decision. It might be a different outcome, you know. So it's kind of crazy that they're so connected in a way. I guess I'm unfamiliar for audiences. Like when you say gun reform, I hear about it all the time. But what does it mean specifically? Like what is it? Like, because I'm so kind of like,

yeah, yeah. Certain restrictions. Yeah, on a broad level, it's really restricting like easy access to guns as in like you could just go into a shop and buy one and get it that day. It's like that's happening now. You can just go into and get it. Yeah. In certain states.

Yeah. Like in California, I don't think that's not something. No. Right. But other things. Or banning the ability. to purchase a 3D gun online, which is also like something that you can make.

Or a ghost gun, like being able to like make a gun that's printed out. Wow. So that it's not like traceable. There's, you know, it's kind of crazy. Yeah. And then just like, like I just said, reinstating the assault weapons ban,

which means, you know, these, these weapons that are really meant for war that, you know, cause mass casualty. It's not just like a rifle or, you know, something that you would go shooting with, you know, hunting. It's something that, you know. Printed, sorry, not 3D. No, I, I, I, you knew what I meant.

Ghost gun. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. I had never heard of that either. Yeah. Because you do wonder, you're like how, you know, I've been, I went to like a mental hospital like in 2019 and like one of the things you sign is like you can't have a firearm for like five years.

So you think that they would be like more cracked down on that, right? It's like I went there for 72 hours. But these people who have obviously like mental illness as well can like access a gun. I mean, anybody obviously can be a, you know, a mass shooter. But at least, you know, it's amazing because I feel like you hear all this stuff and there's, everyone hears stuff. and it's like, what can we do about it?

And all you can, I guess, just advocate, talk about it. And it even feels impossible for us sometimes who are actually in on, in the trenches a little bit on at least trying to help and advocate. It even feels impossible for us, like even sitting down and talking to some of these representatives, they're like, we're just not there yet. Like this is not. I think it's just, it's not on, like AJ said, it's not on the top of people's list. You know, there's other things that feel like they're more dire or more important.

And of course, there's a lot of things in our country that, you know, we haven't gotten there yet. And, you know, one day, hopefully we do. But I feel like over time more and more, also this younger generation coming up, I think gun reform is going to matter more to them than it even did for maybe our parents' generation because we're seeing more of this kind of violence day-to-day. So I do feel like there's hope that, like, Jack's generation of kids will be more likely to actually probably get something done because at that point they'll have had it, you know, because they might know somebody in their life that lost their life or they had a active shooter at their school, you God forbid.

So I think that's maybe what it's going to take. It just feels endless because it feels like you see these pop up on the news, you know, at such a frequent level. All the time. You see mass shooting and then just goes away like in the next 24 hours cycle. Like it never happened. Which is like that's someone's family. That's a whole community that's ruined.

There's a huge trickle down effect, you know. And the trauma, like you guys have survived it. The trauma you carry, I'd imagine from that. It could be like for kids, for schools, for you guys as adults. How has it affected your? his life since then, since the 22 incident. I mean, I think for us, the first year was really, really hard. I think being that we had each other and our band and our crew and we all survived the same

situation. And time has helped, I think. Yeah, I do think time has healed. I think Allie and I writing about it and being really clear about getting some of that out on stage every night and performing that specific song every night has been really helpful. Something about being able to like, that being kind of our journaling, you know, that personal experience being put out every night on stage to our fans has really helped in terms of

just being able to recover from that moment. But there is like a kind of an unsettling fear that I think if you've experienced that will always kind of live in you. I don't think it'll ever really fully go away. And that you're just kind of on alert in a different way. You know, you don't want to live your whole life in fear. But, you know, you also are trying to look at statistics of like, well, it's unlikely that this would happen to me again, although it has happened to people. It's having a lot of people, you know, twice, which is crazy. So you try to go about your life and not feel like it's, you know, this like heavy shadow over you. But you definitely feel it at certain times kind of creep up or you're at a show and you're kind of like, I don't know why I like feel like kind of like alert all of a sudden are scared by like this person's presence or like do they have a gun or you know, it's weird like what your mind will kind of do in those moments.

I have to be on defense because a lot of times it's right. Your intuition is going to be right. So it's like, is it? But then there's also so much paranoia because the stuff happens. It does happen. And it is a sad way to live. You were saying writing kind of as like therapeutic.

Do you guys write all of your own songs? Yeah. Always. Yeah. Did you guys do potential breakup song? Yeah. Like back in the day it was always us. Either us alone or it was us with like another.

That's crazy. But isn't that so insane? It's like one of the biggest, like truly one of the biggest pop songs. It's like so wild. Like people love it. It's still 20 years later. That is, do you ever think like, wow, we're so good at this. Like, you know, like, what is your, I guess, I guess you have so much confidence from it.

But like, what is your process? Like, do you have to, obviously, that song came from a breakup, I would assume. So, like, do you have to have? Oh, no. No, hilariously. At that age, you were so young. Oh. I don't know you.

We had broken up, you know, I think, at that point. But, like, it wasn't a specific one that inspired the song. No. I think we were 18 and 16. Oh, okay. So we had been dating. But I don't think that was about anyone. Oh.

We've tried to rack our brains because people have asked this and we're like, I'm like, I really don't think this was inspired by a specific person. Wait, but that's even more talented. The fact that you're just like, we can get this emotion. You know what I mean? You're like, we can tap into this. Yes. Tap into this vibe.

What is your personal favorite song that you guys were, or something that really means a lot to you? I think from the past, I would say a song like Rush. I think that was kind of the start of the career, like that song and no one that I think have really resonated with people over the years, besides potential breakup song, which I think has just been like a fun way to get over an X. But in terms of like no one feeling like, you know, I'm struggling to maybe find who I am in this world and who I want to be.

And it's like, I don't want to be anyone but myself. It's like such a simple sentiment. But I think it's really over the years like informed the way a lot of people have decided to grow up. Like they're like, I don't want to be anyone but me. And I just think that lyric has been a really powerful statement over the years. And then same with Rush. Like I think Rush was a huge moment where it was like. Yeah.

And really big for the LGBTQ plus community, which is so cool that we didn't even know that we were writing a song like that at such a young age that it would be. this kind of anthem, you know, yeah. Like, don't let nobody tell you your life is over, be every color that you are. Like, it's just really, yeah. When did you feel first embraced? Because my audience, we love LGBTQ people. We love you.

We love you. We love. Allies forever. Forever. And it has been for years. When is the first time you felt embrace? We're like, these are my people. This is where, was it on tour? Like, where did you feel?

I mean, I feel like it was kind of us coming back to music. Yeah. I mean, obviously, we encountered so many people in that. space over the years that we adored and people that are in our personal life, whether it was, you know, hair and makeup artist or our best friend Raymond. But I think when we came back from tour, it felt like, oh, this is because we were older at that point. And so we were looking at it through a different lens. I think 2018 when we really started touring again, it was like, it felt like every show was a pride show. Like it was becoming. Oh, wow. There's like, it was

really cool. Like the amount of pride flags. And there were people that wanted to get engaged on our stage that were same sex. Like just a really cool. You're like, this is this. This is, this. This is the, that's amazing. But it really all started in the Calabasasas Commons. Oh, you were talking. We were talking about this beforehand. Calabasas Comments. At the Tuscanova Restaurant.

Oh, okay. Our best friend came out to us there. Yes. And the restaurant is still there to this day, which I love. Is that the one on the corner by a sugarfish? It's right. Yes, it's right by cafe marmalade. Okay.

We were talking about the comments. Yes, we love it. We love it. Well, we did love the commas. It's getting reconstructed. We don't know. I was like, I don't love that this movie theater is being taken. But that restaurant's still there.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. that held like a special little memory. Have you guys done Pride? Yeah. We've done a few times. We've never done an L.A. Pride. Not L.A.

Really? No. And not New York Pride. So like, pardon me, we've done like some smaller, like, markets in the Pride world. I'm surprised West Hollywood is not a hit you guys. I know. I'm like, we should. We should do West Hollywood.

I know. With the Pride markets. It's so showbiz. It's like Allie's saying channel. We're like, yeah, we're playing these different markets. No, I love it. You guys are doing Bonarue, right? Yeah.

So you guys have done festivals, obviously. Yeah, we have. Is it, how different is it for you? Do you like them? It's fun. It's like very run and gun. You kind of have to be like down. It's a different challenge.

It's a different challenge. I mean, unless you're like the headliner. It is not your show. It's not your show. It's like you got to get up there, get your stuff set and just kind of roll with it. And some stuff is going haywire and you just got to be like, okay. We have a really good team. If we didn't have a great team, playing the not main slot is tricky as a festival

opener. Like it's just or wherever your slot is. If you're not the headliner, Alex's right, it can be a lot. If you're not the end of the night, it's, like, yeah, it's just, every artist will tell you. It's a run and done. Yeah, you're pushed through. It's like, okay, like, you're done. Next set. You know, and it's all your crew guys, so they're kind of setting up your stuff

a little bit differently. It's, it's hard. Yeah. Where is Bonnaroo? It's in Tennessee. Yeah, right outside of Tennessee. Or outside of National. And then when does that fit to your schedule this year? Is that what is in the summer? In the summer in June. It's kind of during shooting. So we've found a way to like, you know, I'll go off and do that and come back.

That's wild that you're able to like go back and forth through it all. and also being a new mom too. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot to balance. Do you thrive in that? Do you think you're like, okay, we thrive in this, like just doing the most and it's having the momentum?

We do. I think we do. Yeah. In a way, we were discussing how, like, we really like being out on the road. We were talking about this last week and how, like, in a way, being on tour, like, simplifies our life because it's just tour. It's like, that's all that matters is the show. And, like, getting to the city, getting, like, a nice meal, getting to the meet and greet and soundshack.

Making sure Jack's safe. making sure Jack is happy and stoked. That becomes our little circle. That's kind of it. It's like, oh, okay, easy. Like, easy boxes to check off. It's like a routine, too. Yeah, and there's no, like, big outside responsibilities at that point.

I mean, they don't all go away. But when you're on the road, you're kind of like, this is it. This is all I can do. So you get a self-tape request for White Lotus. And then I'm like, oh, hold on. Hold on, I need you all. We audition a lot on tour. Wow.

We tape a lot on tour. Just like in a, like, in front of a white wall or like. In a hotel. Yeah, hotel. Or if it calls for a gas station, then it's like, oh, well, let's go just shoot this tape at a gas station. True. Wait, what do you mean a self-tape you'll do in front of, like, you'll be on location for yourself tape? Yeah.

Yeah. If it, like, it's rare that it requires something like that. But if we were on the road and we were in some random town and we were like, well, there's a 7-11, let's just shoot it in front of there. Then we'll do it. Do you guys help each other with yourself tapes often? Yeah. Yeah. That's actually so perfect to have someone else who acts.

Moses always does self-tapes with me. And we auditioned for camp rock, so he had to play all Jonas Brothers. He did all three of them. Oh, my gosh. That's really fun. Incredible. But he's also never seen Camp Brock and didn't it realize? So you're trying to like educate him on what the tone is.

Yes, yes. Self tapes are no joke. They're no joke. Our drummer is now an actor. Like we've made him just be in our tapes. Yeah, he's now part of the tape. It's a lot. It's a lot.

Because you have to, you have to. The other band members are like, no. They won't do it. You had to have it, to have that. They're very difficult. I knew into acting this past year and it's very difficult. I always thought, I watched Disney Channel. I want to be that so bad.

It's so hard. Well, the self-tapeep world is really. the thing now. It wasn't. It's different. It's different than like going in to see a cast and director in person. That sounds more intimidating in person. It is. But you at least have that real time feedback of like, is there a note? Is there? Like they might just dismiss your tape because they're like, or they only watch like 10 seconds and you're like, I just spent an hour and a half on this. Whereas when you're in the room, they have to see it all. And usually they're kind of required to give feedback and be like, I want you to play it this way. Yeah. Yeah. Unless they know you're

not right for it. It holds them accountable in a way. You know, so it's kind of sad that that's like You should be doing voiceover. Do you do a lot of V-O? I know. I don't know what that is, but like voiceover, like cartoon? Yes. I would love. Like commercial.

Like a Toyota commercial. No, not even commercial. Like cartoon, like a little animated character. I don't know. I just think you should have a voiceover here. I recently signed with an agency for the first time my life at 36. You know what I mean? So it's all kind of new to me.

But I love it. I've been taking it. I'll do whatever. Honestly, that sounds easier voice work. No, you would be good at it. You don't have to worry about glamming and what you look like. But you have a lot. But you have a naturally fun, interesting voice.

Maybe I'll take your advice. You should ask your agent if they have a VO department. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Voice over. Voice over. What's a vo-o? You say things so casually.

You know, market. You know, market, do you? The channel. You guys are so smart. Sometimes it is hard for me to keep up. I'm like, wow, they're so smart. I don't want to like ask questions, but that's my job to ask questions. So I was like, have you like, because I'm like, I don't know what they're saying.

Like the reform. I was like, gosh, I know this is. important an age note so I'm like I might as well ask. No, no, and there's no shame. Like, I think if you don't know something, there's no harm of being like, hey, give me the full rundown on this. And you guys are so. But definitely ask about voiceover.

Okay, yes. Because you have, you have, you have something. Have you guys done it? You guys have done it. We've done it a lot. Yeah. Like with Disney, was it Disney Channel? Never with Disney Channel.

Oh. No, I was on a cartoon for a bit on Cartoon Network and then a cartoon for Netflix that Dreamworks put out. That was a remake of Shira. Oh, how is that? It was so fun. You just go into the studio. Yeah, I go into DreamWorks and we record for four hours and we get an episode in and then I come back, you know, in a couple weeks and we do another episode.

We did like 65 episodes of that show. It was fun, but you can be in your PJs, you can hang out on the DreamWorks slot. It's like really good lunch when you're done working because they have this beautiful catering setup. Like it's fun life. Oh, how do you preserve your voices? Both of you singing like you both of you have like your beautiful voices obviously, but what if you lose it during a VO or like a tour? It's hard. I mean, if you lose it, it's like, you just got to be on vocal rest.

Yeah, like just not talking. Do you do those masks? We've done those. The little oxygen. Do those work? That, like, help hydrate your vocal cords. Yeah, because it can add moisture that you're maybe really dry. It can help with that if you use, like, a saline.

We're not, like, crazy, like, doing those, like consistently. But if you were sick, we would do something like that. Okay. Or, like, a hot steam shower, you know, tea. All those things are vocal warmups. All of that is, like, a good, like, prep. Yeah. Yeah, we do, like, the basics, for sure.

But if you're, if you're, like, long, your voice, you're kind of screwed that night. You just have to kind of power through. You just got to power through and just hope. Or one sister just sings more, you know. I do love that. You're like, take over. Do you guys have backup singers?

No. No. It's just you guys. Wow. Do you guys do any, like, shots of oil or anything like that? Like, you know, I think it's Cynthia Reva who does like olive oil shots or something. That's so smart and we never do that. It's actually really smart.

We do shots of tequila before the show. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's pretty impressive. Just kind of go out there. Maybe we should do an olive oil shot and then the tequila. Yeah, that should be the chaser. Maybe the tequila dries it up.

I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. Cynthia would be like, girl, you should not be doing that. Because no alcohol does dry you out. So, like, essentially, you should not be drinking before you go on stage. But we do one shot to get, like, close. A little fun. I like the olive oil idea.

Yeah, I heard this. Interesting. Do you ever get competitive with each other, with roles, with life? I don't feel like we ever do. I don't feel like we ever have, even, like, in the past as, like, kids. No. Wow. No.

No, it's weird. It was like, it felt very specific that someone was supposed to be. the role that they are and that they booked. Right? Yeah. And we never been up for like a role. That's probably helped. I mean, not that that would be the like the reason why we haven't had an issue, but we've never been up for something the same role.

Wow. I'm surprised. We kind of would sometimes overlap in an age where it's like, oh, you know, 25 to 30 or something. We maybe audition for the same part, but we've never gotten close together. No. But you have auditioned for the same part. So how does that work? Do you guys?

Like I audition for band slam. Yeah. And she was like, I did. Right? Do you remember? Wow. And she was like, I'm not right for this. Are you sure it was your role or the Vanessa role?

I don't know. I feel like maybe it was the Charlotte role. Yeah, I think you're right. Wait, that's crazy. So do you guys compare notes or do you like try to keep it separate? Be like, good luck. Like, I mean, oh. Or do you help each other?

You're like, I'm going to throw you off. I heard that they're supposed to play this character like this. That's so funny. No, no, I feel like anytime Al Ali gets like more information than maybe I have, she would share it. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Like, we're not gatekeepers at all with anything. Even with friends. Like, I'll have friends call me up, like, recently that are like,

I'm auditioning for Lotus. Can you tell me anything? And I'll help them. I won't tell them confidential info because I've signed NDAs. But I will tell them anything that can help with their character. Wow. I just want people to win, especially if they're in our circle. And if it's a sibling, like all the way. Yeah. That's amazing. We're not geek creepery. What is the age different, a few years, three years first? Oh, wow. My sister and I are five years apart. I always felt not anymore, obviously, but like young, we definitely were competitive and we're definitely not in this industry. So I just thought maybe, yeah.

Yeah. A lot of young people who grew up. up really close, you know, maybe do experience that. I think with Allie and I, because we started this so early and at the same time and saw success. And that we do the same thing. And saw success around the same time. But naturally it's kind of obliterated the competition. I think maybe it'd be like asking like Dakota and L. It's like they're probably like, no, we both just won. Like it's working. And I think it helped that there wasn't, I mean, there, I guess in certain moments there's been moments maybe where someone was booking jobs more than the other one. But then it would be like, oh, then it would swap and it would be like okay now this you know what I mean so like it's always been this kind of like

balance like the pendulum has swung back and forth so it's never felt like you're just like the sister that's like left in the dust you know which I understand how that could be hard for a sibling yeah that's great it's not our energy yeah I also think because then when you guys do come together as a duo it almost like elevates the superstar it's like a level up yeah yeah that's like that's cool like I was telling you guys before like I know Allie and AJ the singers but then like when I knew like oh my god from EZAA like to me that's such a different Allie and AJ you know what I mean. The way you said. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

This is Ali Mashaka. It's so funny. But when you say, Al-Dajie, I was like, well, of course I'm. Yes. But you're like, I don't know this Ali Meshawka. You were cackling. It was so funny. Well, I'm glad. Because sometimes you never think anyone will see anything.

But I also say who to so many people that I know personally. I'm like, who is that? Like, I just, I made you experience. Are you better at like facially recognizing somebody? Yes. Oh, for sure. Like, you know, like, oh, I know that person from. A thousand percent.

Like, we'll watch something. I'm like, oh, that's the person from Bridgetton or this or whatever. But you're like, I don't know the name. Names, always. I'm like, when someone says there's so many, who's the person now? There's like so many boy named Dylan. There's so many Dillans. There's so many Dillans in the world.

I'm getting confused by the Dillons. Yeah, so when someone says a name, sometimes I'm like, oh my gosh. You know, it's going to be, yeah. Have you guys ever done Broadway? Musical Theater? No. We've gotten close. We've auditioned for Broadway.

Age has gone close on quite a few Broadway situations. Are you musical theater fans or you just thought maybe that's the next step because we sing an act? I love musical theater. I'd rather be in a play that maybe doesn't involve music because we do music every night on stage ourselves but if the musical presented itself in a really cool way and was an interesting project of course I'd jump in the way We're not like musical nerds where we know all of the classic musicals

But I've never seen Wicked She'd never seen it on stage I know I've seen the movie I've seen the movie wow I saw it on stage but at Pantages Like not even like on Broadway Yeah which is like so cool but it's amazing But we are Broadway nerds like every time I'm in New York and we're in New York, we try to see at least a show.

It's a little harder now with my kid, but like my husband will be like, then you guys go, like we went and saw O'Mary together and we loved it. Loved O'Mary. But like that kind of show is the show I want to really do. Oh my God, that is. I don't need a musical even though I enjoy them. Yeah, yeah. That's like the White Lotus of Broadway right now where it's like that's the show everyone's trying to get into.

It's so good. Can you say which ones you've auditioned for? Yeah, I got really close to Spider-Man years ago, the YouTube production. Most very, he was very like in that realm of that work. when that was happening. Wait, that was like one of the biggest most expensive, but also maybe one of the biggest flops. Which I, it had a big, like,

I think everybody had big hopes for it. I think it was a flop compared to what it was, what it took to make it. Yes. But I don't think it was a flop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just that it didn't make up everything it needed to make up. And there were some weird things that happened.

People were getting injured a lot. It was kind of a curse show. Like, looking back, it's like those kind of shows, like I said kind of our camp, right? When something closed is so quick, you're kind of like, they kind of ate though. They tried. Yeah.

They were trying to fly across the audience. Totally. Yeah. They were crazy stuff. They were trying to fly. And that wasn't really being done. No, he was like flying, flipping onto the stage and crashing. And like, who does it?

Spider-Man. It's like, gosh, that's a hard one. It's like you don't have any VFX. Yes. No, what did you audition for? Was it the Mary Jane? Yeah, yeah. And then I got really close this past year on Stereophonic.

Wow. That really cool music show that took place in a studio. Yes. Oh, my gosh. The recast of the second time it was on. That was really cool. And a couple others, but then some shows, like, it never went. Nervous breakdown or something?

Yeah, they tried to, it didn't go, but they tried to do women on the verge of a nervous breakdown on stage. And never went? No, which is a Pedro Lovar film that they wanted to turn into a Broadway show. I do love when they do that, when they do, like, film into stage production. It never worked. An Omeli audition for Omelie, but that never really went out on stage. Oh. Maybe it went, but.

Yes, I think that did go. I kind of remember, maybe the girl from Hamilton might have been in there. Yes. Philippe Hussu. Yeah, I think she was in there. You're big into it. I love. I lack the musical talent.

No, I like, I can't sing. And, you know, that's my problem. But I love it. Where did you audition for? Because at the time, all the Disney girls were going into Beauty and the Beast. Did you ever audition for that? Never auditioned for Beauty and the Beast. Everyone did that.

Hairspray? I don't think we ever auditioned for that either. Wait. Never. Because why does it feel like you did hairspret? You never did hairspray in any capacity. No, but that feels like that was probably around that same time. You could have been the Britney Snow or Amanda Bind's part, right?

Right. It was like Penny and... Oh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. That didn't happen. Weird. Did you ever do... Someone did Shakespeare?

Did I read that on someone's Wikipedia? Like, perform... One of us? Yes, or no. No. Not a film, nothing. No. Oh, well, maybe the Lears.

Oh, yes. That's like a tank on Shakespeare. Okay, because I was like... You're like, oh, really? Okay, performing Shakespeare. But it's like an indie movie. It's like, it's not like Shakespeare dialogue. It's like inspired by...

Oh. Okay, it wasn't like... It's very modern setting. Yeah. You weren't saying the exact... No, no, no, no. Like the Romeo and Juliet movie with the Artacaprio where it was.

I was like, that's pretty interesting. But you guys, I wish, that'd be cool. Was there, because you mentioned Laurel Canyon and Topanga earlier. Did you guys, you produced a film about Laurel Canyon. Did. And did you a star in that one, too? Was that indie?

Yep. And it took place in the home we were living in together. So her husband directed it and wrote it. Oh, so he started it together. Yeah. And it was in the house that we were just happening to rent at the time. We were just like, we're going to make a movie here. It was our first time living as adults outside of like,

you know, our family home. in the canyon. And you live together. For a couple years, yeah. And that's where you share the dog. Is that? Because you were saying, what's your dog's name? Money Penny.

Money Penny. I love that. What is that named after? What's he named after? James Bond. James Bond, the assistant. From Miss Money Penny. Oh, okay.

I have not seen James Bond. She's like a secretary. I call her the desk clerk. Money Penny is great. I love that name. And you share this dog. Was this in Laurel? Did you have Money Penny and Laurel?

We had Money Penny and Laurel and I now have Money Penny and Bixby. Although Money Penny has been living with AJ and her boyfriend for a minute because it's a good separation with my with my yeah because a j lost her dog recently and so it's helped her kind of heal having a little pet in the house and jack is at that age where it's like he wants to be like physical and i'm like no no i'm like you're gonna actually she probably will be more likely to be hurt by you than her hurt him right right she has one tooth so like literally even just the other night like brought him in with money penny and money was no no money was just like in stephen's arms and he just

like went to like grab her like you know almost like head like just like pick her up while your head I was like no no no no no like a stuffed animal yeah yeah she's really excited she's 16 now which is crazy so we've had her for a while a long time since she was won after your life yeah but my so my sweet dog my shitsu that I had for 19 years just passed like a month ago a month and a half ago and so money penny has been like such a sweet like just recovery animal like she's really helped me through it but she was my willow was my 16th birthday and gift. So we just said about her. It was crazy. So they're like our last, it was, they were really our last family dogs, you know. Oh my gosh. How do you, how are you dealing with like pet grief, like losing a pet?

It's been hard. It's been, there will be moments where I'm just like driving or I hear a song and I just start crying and I'm like, what is going on? And it's, it's definitely Willow. Like, it's definitely like, I just miss her. I'm so used to sleeping with her every night. And since I was 16, like, it's so crazy being 35 now and being like, where's that dog who's been like my like companion buddy for this long? It's so crazy. So we said goodbye to her on Martin Luther King. And I said, okay, this is the debt, because she was going downhill fast. But I did decide, so this is crazy, and I've not talked about this publicly, but I'm going to talk about it here. I'm curious what she thinks. I am too. So I don't like the taxidermy thing. It freaks me out. But there is a company in North Hollywood

that's been around since the 20s who specialized in taxidermy, but 20 years ago they started doing freeze drying. So they freeze dry your pet for four to six months in like this container, and it sucks out all the moisture of the body. So they don't. Don't touch the organs. The dog is not opened up and then stuffed like the dog is as is, but is in this thing for six months and then pulled out. And you can have the dog in your home. And so I'm having Willow. She'll be back in my house in six months in a sleeping position.

With her eyes closed. Some of my friends are really freaked out. And some are like, that's beautiful. And some are like, can you hide her in the laundry room? And I'm like, yes. So I'm doing this for me because I didn't want a barrier. And I felt like that was going to be a second grieving stage if I had the barrier or cremator. because I was like, I just, I'm so used to her being in my home that I'm like, I'm going to do this for

myself and I'm going to have her. And then if you didn't like it for whatever reason, you know you could always bury her. But I was like, so, yeah, it's an awesome. The work that this place does, I got to say, like, it's actually incredible. It's not, it doesn't feel creepy. Like, you kind of would think, oh, this is, like, weird. Yeah. Like, there's so much care that's put into, like, preserving the animal and making them look

like the dog that you always, like, loved. It's kind of, it's wild. And I put her in a. sleeping resting position so her eyes will be closed. Like I don't, the eye open thing is kind of creepy to me. Oh, they can do that. They can put them in any position, any expression. They have to like, I said they said that the only thing they would have to remove is the eyeball.

So it has to be something else. If it's eyes are open. It has to be like marbles. Does this feel like so like. Yeah. How does this feel like? No. Your reaction is so sweet and genuine and some people are like. No, to me I think that is so comforting.

It's like, you know, there's loss when people go through like infant loss. They have those, you know, born again babies. And they kind of, or rebirth babies are called. they're like real life babies and they carry them with them because they like need that to heal. So I think there is, it kind of feels almost something similar where it's like you don't have to fully say goodbye. Yes. Yeah. I know it's the outer vessel, but it's still something. Yeah. I think that's, I think it's great. I think it's amazing. It is cool what like modern technology will do and keep doing like, you know, when we're older. That's why I never try to fear death or

anything. Not that I want to be freeze dried, but like, you know, I never fear. I don't either. I mean, maybe. I don't know. knows. It's like you never know what could happen by then, you know? It's like they say Walt Disney's like frozen or something. I've heard this. Maybe that. Do you guys know anything about it? I don't. I wish. You're like, tell me. Is the channel? The channel hasn't told us. Like where is that? Have you seen them? Where's he at? Wait, and you have pets, yeah? No, actually I never had pets. So, but my, no, never had pets. You give such an energy of somebody that would have like 20 dogs. This is why I wanted to tell you this story. Yeah. So when you were saying when you, you have three kids. You don't need pets.

Yeah, you're good. You got a lot. Well, I did have a dog, but that was the gag, is I couldn't take care of the dog because I never had a pet growing up. An ex-boyfriend gifted me a dog. It was like this whole thing. And I couldn't take care of it. So I gave it. I gave my sister and my mom took care of, is taking care of it.

And still, but he's six. And my mom recently shared this on TikTok so I can share it. But he also is going through kidney failure at six. That's young. Yeah. And so it's one of those things where I never thought I would feel, right? Because, like, I didn't have that, like, connection to animals. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, it feels like a child, you know.

It could, he could last longer, you know, than six. It could be years. Yeah, and so we're hoping because he's still young, but you can just see it a little bit that he's not his, like. Sal and we were talking about that earlier. I was like, oh, so, no, but dogs are hard to take care of. I always say I have three babies, and I think they're easier than dogs. Honestly, it's hard to take care of pets while having a kid.

Like, I think me and my husband have both said this. Like, wow, this is just an extra. It's another thing to, because there are little beings as well. So, like, they need to be loved and care for. And it's just hard when you have a kid because they become your number one. And then the dog's like, what about me? Hello. Yeah.

That would be, that would be tough, the transition of it all. Yeah. Well, where do you guys see yourself? So this year you're booked in 20 years from now, because this has been 20 years since your anniversary of everything. Music, I guess it's only being music in your. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. We'll still be touring. We'll still be making records. Yeah. Maybe there's a Broadway show. Maybe there's a two women show. I'm done with that. That's what you put that out.

I see it all. Oh my gosh. Let's do it. Let's do it. That's the one thing. That's the one thing. energy too, but like that you guys are just excited because you know after like 20 years and people like don't want to talk about the

nostalgia or they're not excited. You're like excited for life and excited for tour. I'm not tired by any of it. I'm like invigorated by it. Yeah. And I feel like there's still a lot of things that we haven't experienced yet like in our career. So I feel like that is hopefully like on the other side of 20 years from now.

You know, that we can say, oh wow, we really did do that. Like we did tour internationally at a point where, you know, we didn't know we were going to come back to music and now we've done that. Like just little things here and there. I mean, we've done a lot of touring in the U.S. We've done stuff like in Europe. But like we haven't hit Asia. We haven't hit Australia, you know.

So like there's a lot of things on the bucket list, you know. Asia would be really fun. That sounds so great. Well, we're so excited. Is it places to run, right? It starts in three, it's a few days. Literally a few days. Oh my gosh.

Go see Allie and A. A.J. on tours. See them on socials everywhere. This is so exciting. Thank you guys so much for being here. Thanks for having us. All thanks to all thanks to TikTok for bringing us together. Yes, it's true.

Yes. TikTok does do that. We need to make a TikTok if you guys have time. We did. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. We put this to break up number 20 for you guys. All right, thanks. See you guys soon.

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