Just Trish - Gabby Windey Teases Her Next TV Show & Teaches Trisha How to Scissor

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Gabby Windey is here, and she's giving the girls and the gays everything they want. The 'Long Winded' host gets real about the trials and tribulations of getting intimate with her wife, Robby Hoffman. Plus, after winning 'The Traitors', Gabby teases her return to TV. And she sounds off on JoJo Siwa turning in her lesbian card.  Sponsor Just Trish: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/just-trish-podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Damn, that's duh. Every episode. Yes, because I did one with Domino's. Yeah! Her name is Trish, she's got the mission, all the gossips, filthy rich, pretty and big, hot topic queen And says what everybody thinks, she's just Trish Hahaha! Yay! Alright, can we just go?

Yes! Okay, so the second I- well no, right after you asked, I don't even know if it was before or after I got it But I knew exactly where it was going to, I've even told people that I have a present for you. Oh my gosh I'm so excited. I'm nervous. I hope you like it as much. It's so heavy. Yeah, I hope you like it as much as I like Thank you. Oh my gosh Oh my god I saw it Oh my god Can you tell? Is it a trainer's card?

Yes Do you have one already? No, oh my god! Oh my god! Can you tell? Is it a Trader's Guide? Yes! Yes! Do you have one already? No! Oh my god, do they sell these? Where do you even buy them? Oh sorry, McKenna, that's your best friend's thing. No, it's yours.

Wee! Oh my god, do they sell them? Oh my god, I'm getting it. No, well they gifted me two. Peacock did on my press tour. I sprayed it with my perfume. Okay, I'm gonna ask if it's the one you wore because it smells like you. Oh my god! Peacock did on my press tour. I sprayed it with my perfume They gifted me too and I'm like obviously I don't need to I know and you're such a big fan I'm like I'm gonna give it to you

The turret Oh, you gotta head to the turret. Oh my gosh, let me see, let me see. Help me. Help me. I can't hold back my laugh. Oh my gosh, okay, yes, help me. This is my dream. Oh my gosh, this is a dream? I feel so cool. Oh my god, stop, because you're such a big fan.

Wait, were you casted? Well, no, I wasn't on. Did you? Did you miss me a big fan. Wait, were you casted? Well, no, I wasn't on. Did you miss me on my season? But for this season? No, it shoots in May. I'm preggo. That's what I tell myself.

Because I'm pregnant, they didn't ask me. Oh my god. They're filming now, I think. OK, because you would crush. Well, unlike you, you said no a couple times to them. When I was like, I'm just waiting for them to ask, period. I would say, I would do it for free. I would do it for free.

Yeah, it's basically free. Oh. Yes. So you get the money. You get the ones. You get some price money. OK, I have so many questions. No, you can take that off.

I love it. No, my dream is to be the traitor, because I'm such a good liar, and I feel like I would be so good on this show. I feel like I would crush. No, I'm so surprised. I mean, they didn't reach out to you. You never bring in such an audience No, I don't know why I just never casted for anything dancing with the stars You've done you don't everything and I'm like, no, I was watching dancing videos of you yesterday. I'm like you need to be

You have my dream career Girl, there's so many those since we brought up traders We should talk about traders. this is like the most iconic thing. So they've asked you once or twice and you said no. They asked me once, like officially. And then they kept kind of one of the EPs or whatever I was having generals with when I first moved to LA. So they were like in NBC Peacock.

They were like, would you ever do this? And then the second season had just come out. I didn't know anybody on it besides Pilot Pete. Oh my God. Oh, because you're from the Bachelor. I was like, how did you know him? You're like, what? Yeah.

So I'm like, I'm not going on a show with the D Squad. Like, I know only a couple of people have been like, oh, we're huge Trader Sands. And like, if you knew the horse's mouth, you'd be like, okay. But it's like, but I didn't have anything going on. I'm like, I had done a literal vibrator ad, which thank God you can get money from that,

but I had no idea where my career was going. So I'm like, okay, if this is the only thing I have to look forward to is an ad for B'Lessa. I hate to give them free press, but thank you for the money when I really needed it. Yes, and so finally I was like, okay, I'll do it. They had one in Emmy. I did the vibrator ad and I was like,

I gotta get back on TV. And this was it, this was yours. What paid more, the vibrator ad or traders? No, honestly, good question. The traders did, but at that point, my rates were really low. Okay, okay, okay, because I was like, no, you are like the it girl, so like change your life.

Like traders. Yeah, no. At their time. Yes, it's making my career right now, thank you. I don't think I'm an it girl, you are. No, you are, you're so hard to track down. You were on Lost Culturistas, which is like literally the Mariah Carey, R-N-A-G-R-A-D-A, Lady Gaga.

Because you know what, I said no to them too. The power of no. I say no to everything. They were like, I really think you should do this. And then I looked on, because I'm like, people who want me, again, I'm like, maybe not the D squad, but the C squad. Like, I've never been wanted in my whole life.

Like, I'm like, I've been on TV for three years, but I know nobody watches The Bachelor. But when they asked me on, and I look, I looked at what guests they had on, and it was literally Ariana Grande, Chappell Rhone, so I'm like okay. Wait, did you not know about him before? Kind of, like I knew about Bo and Yang

because of SNL, but I'm like damn. Yeah, so but no, yeah, then it was like the best thing ever. Wait, I'm so gagged that you're here then because you say no to so many things. Patricia, I never thought this would happen. For real. Even saying your name. I'm like. I thought that with you because we had you scheduled

and then like your dog got sick. But then in my head I take everything personal where I'm like she never wants to come on and never ask which is just in my head always. No, my dog's supposed to be dead by now. You literally asked me and I'm like should I say no or should I just go on not knowing what happened? No, when you asked me for the first time and I'm like all puffy-eyed and I'm not gonna look good

So hopefully she asked me to come back on again and the fact that he lived through that I'm like this is all for nothing What if you never asked me to come on? I see a rejection more than anything, But you actually had sent me a message, and I was like, oh my gosh, this was so nice. I talk about it. I talk about it to everyone, because I'm like, everyone ask her, I don't know other friends. But I literally am just like, I don't know.

I'm nervous. Maybe she doesn't want to come on. Maybe she feels like she needs to do it, because I asked, or whatever. But not knowing you, I guess you want to do things just because you asked. Never. Yeah.

I have to be, not for you, but normally I have to be asked two, three times. Oh my god. I feel so honored. Yes, that's why I was like, I was so happy for for you, but normally I have to be asked like two three times. Oh my god I feel so honored. Yes I was so happy for you to like come back on again. Okay, so You've done okay. So like starting back I guess so you were like just like a your nurse for like all your 20s Yes, and then COVID doing your nurse. Yeah cheerleader also Yeah, but you don't I feel like you've been around for so long

But you've really only been like five years on like TV and stuff, right? Yeah, only like four. When did you do The Bachelor? It, at the end of 2021, it aired at 2022, I think. January of 2022, that whole year, I did Bachelor, Bachelorette, Dancing with the Stars. And then I went on tour, and then I was like a year off,

and then I was like, I cannot be doing vibrator ads for the rest of my life, so I gotta go back on TV. Oh my god, wait, that is so, what do you think is the biggest fandom that you've encountered? Like, Bachelor Nation, traitors, lesbians. Yeah. No, I know how much you love lesbians. I do, I have that lesbian crowd's my favorite.

Yes. No, yeah, I'm a lesbian. Yeah, love that. Are you? Are you that much? I think so. I didn't know if it was bi, queer. Right.

I mean, it's like, what's the difference? Yeah, I don't know. I'm married to a woman. It's like, you know. Yeah. Exactly. You're like, I committed to the lesbian now. Yeah, I love it.

It has a better ring. It's like, we're leading the LGBTQ. We lead the alphabet with the L's. So true. All the good shows are lesbian shows. I love lesbians. Like the L word in girls. And like, you know, they're just like my favorite.

If they have like a lesbian housewife show, I'd watch it. Yeah, I think they should make a housewives of Silver Lake where everyone's gay and poor. That would be so everything. But also kind of like fashionable over there too. And edgy with coffees and... And lesbians are messy. Yeah.

Oh my God, actually that'd be so good. They're all f***ing each other. I mean that would make the greatest TV show. The Mormon wives would never, you know, anymore. Well they do kind of. The new season they're talking about all licking each other's asses and stuff. It's crazy. Yeah.

It's a whole other world. But anyways. All right, so. But you, okay, so wait, that's so wild. So what makes you go from like nurse to like reality TV star? Yeah, I was a nurse during the pandemic. I was working like 80 hours a week.

I wanted to get away from bedside nursing just because it was so grueling and like traumatizing. So I moved to LA to travel nurse. And then my cheerleader friends, which I don't have anymore, don't worry. I know you're like no friends. Meanwhile, best from McKenna, cheerleader friends, which I don't have anymore, don't worry. I know you're like, no friends. Meanwhile, best from McKenna, cheerleading friends. Yes, they nominated me like years ago,

and I had said no, because I was like, I wanna be a nurse and a cheerleader, hello. I didn't know the fucker. Like says no one ever, like please don't. Wait, but that's iconic that you wanted to just do that and not the bachelor yet. Yeah, like I always wanted to be a professional dancer, but I just never had the real technique

to ever really make it, and thank God, it's like, whatever, it's a toxic culture and stuff. Then I got to do Dancing with the Stars. But um. Wait, how did you get that then? Cause you didn't win your season of The Bachelor. And then I was the Bachelorette. The double Bachelorette.

So you were in Dancing with the Stars in between that time? After The Bachelorette. Oh, wait, you did it in the same year? On the same year. Bachelor, Bachelorette. The double bachelorette. So are you doing Dancing with the Stars in between that time? After the bachelorette. Oh, wait, you did it in the same year? All in the same year. Bachelor, bachelorette in the same year. Yes, because Bachelor, bachelorette, they cast and they film so fast. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I know. And then you're engaged on bachelorette, then they ask you to do Dancing with the Stars. Are you still engaged at this point when you're doing Dancing with the Stars? Half of the way. And then we broke up. Yeah, we worked it in to like the package

is what they call like the little interview before you dance. Like how do I talk about this? And then it's like obviously, then you don't really have to answer any questions. It's like this is what, you know, this is what happened, moved on. Oh, the breakup was incorporated in the package.

Yeah. And now I'm a lesbian. And now I'm married lesbian Which congratulations happen marriage I mean you tell me after you have 26 boyfriends you're like this ain't it you got a good one Moses is giving lesbian That's what I love to buy them because I can never be with straight, like, hetero man, like, no, never. Yeah, and you're Jewish, right? So is-

He's water. He's water. He's fluid and everything. Oh, because your wife is Jewish too, yes. Yeah, and they're the best, they make the best partners, like Jewish men, and my wife is basically like a man. Yeah, I'm so- I saw that, what was your last episode called?

The hubby, hubby baby, your Robbie wifey. Yes. I love that you call her that. It's so everything. She's everything. And I love that you got her matzo on the set, one of her sets. She's like, was it matzo balls you got or a matzo bread?

Yeah, it was like a cracker. Yes, like a cracker. Yeah. She's like, why did they give this to me? Because I'm Jewish? You're like, no, because I told them you liked it. I know. Literally, she was like, is this racist?

And I was like, I didn't even think of that. I thought you would just be so excited to see. It's yeah. It's like, no, because I told them you liked it. I know. Literally, she was like, is this racist? And I was like, I didn't even think of that. I thought you would just be so excited to see. It's like her favorite thing. She doesn't really snack. And I'm like, I ever clocked. You're like, I know. Give her a matzah. It's not as serious.

It was good. I love it. Yeah. Are you doing all the holidays with her now? We do sometimes. We've done Passover before, like last year, whenever we have the time. And occasionally, we'll do like Shabbat.

OK. Oh, that's so cute. You have it on Fridays? Do you like host and cook and everything? No, just us, we'll cheers. We'll say the prayer, and we say a prayer every night. Oh my God, I love that, that's actually so cute. So how, okay, so then from Bachelor, how long did you meet, was Robbie the first girl you dated?

Yeah. Wait, that's so wild. So do you think you always knew, or was it she, it was you fell in love with the person, so you're like, okay, this is where I'm going now? I think it's kind of both. I remember right before, so I went on Dancing with the Stars tour,

and I was like, I don't know, and I was moving to LA, and I didn't know how I was gonna date, or what was gonna happen, but I was living with my parents in their basement all through that year after filming. I'd go home, and I remember before I would fall asleep, I'd be like, what if I'm gay?

And I wasn't really inundated with a lot of gay culture. I grew up in the Midwest, had no idea what the L word was. I was exposed to maybe two lesbians and they were all kind of crunchy granola Colorado. So I was like, I'm not that. Oh, that's where you're from, Colorado. Yeah. Oh my gosh, okay. And Illinois. What part of Illinois? O'Fallon. Oh, that's where you're from, Colorado. Yeah. Oh my gosh, okay.

And Illinois. What part of Illinois? O'Fallon. Oh, wait, really? Yes. I didn't know, yeah, I'm from Rockford, Chicago, like a little north, yeah. Okay, yeah.

Oh my gosh, that's wild, I didn't know that. I know. Because I saw it was Sacramento, Denver, I didn't see the Illinois part to it. Yes, yeah. Oh, because you have the Midwest there. Yeah. Yeah, Midwest Los Bens are very different

than the ones out here for sure, yeah. Totally. Yeah. We're like kind of heteronormative. I never heard of that term. What does that mean? It's like she's a boy and I'm a girl. Oh, right, right, right.

So it feels like very, I don't know, but also just like being in a relationship where you love the other person, it doesn't feel any different. Yeah. It just feels better. Yeah. You know, like I feel like she really accepts me.

Like I've never felt so much love, but yeah, I was like, in the beginning I obviously was like thinking about like the gay stuff and what it meant, but now I just feel like we're just in a relationship. I'm sure I'll go like in and out, you know? Of like trying to figure out like lesbianism. Right.

You know? That's a whole new world, like yeah. And like what it means, cause people are like it's more of like the experience, like there's a queer experience I'm like, well, I'm straight We use a strap on like I don't know Yeah, I don't know what your audience is like but like okay this

Like literally when I go shows I was telling was telling them, my last hot topics, I think it's like 80% lesbians, which I love. I knew I had a lot of girl audience, but like most of them are lesbians, and I'm like this is everything and great. Oh my, thank God. No, it's the best, so they'll like love it. And my photographer too, full on lesbian,

so I always ask her, cause like, I would consider myself like queer, and I love girls, but I was never good at the sex part. So I'm always so curious. What do you mean you weren't good at the sex part? Well, I always thought it was just scissoring, but then every lesbian I talked to was like, no, not where it's at.

I'm still begging to scissor. You haven't done it. Not really. It's kind of a myth. It's like, do we actually scissor? I don't think you do because I tried for like, oh, not with the legs. It's more of a like this. Right, like more on top of each like, oh, not with the legs. It's more of a like this.

Right, like more on top of each other. Yeah, not so much, because I was always to the side and just kind of like pushing my legs there. It just did not, it wasn't, I wasn't good at it. No, and like legs flying, like you still need to be like face to face, I feel. Yeah, to kind of like feel that like the grinding of it all. Not so much pushing, you know?

Right, right. Just bumping puss together, but I love it. I love that you're open about it because it is so, that's what I didn't know about me when I was exploring my sexuality is just like, I don't know, I love women, but I'm like, I don't know if I'm good at sex, but to be fair, I'm not good at sex with guys either. I do just lay there, so.

No, same. I'm vanilla, I'm a starfish. I'm like, oh my God, I gotta do something different maybe. But it's kind of fine. I think it's fine. Yeah. It's like, oh my god, I gotta do something different maybe. But it's kinda fine. I think it's fine. Yeah. Like, if we're both getting what we need. That's what I think too, like having to be so crazy

on a swing or on top or something nuts is insane. Right, no, I don't have the energy. It's so much. Yeah, at the end of the day, no way. To be like, oh, what are we gonna do, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm like, I need a under five minutes probably. Oh my god, thank you for saying that. I always say ours is like seven minutes, like that's it.

And I was like, I don't know, how much longer do you need? Right, yeah, let's get it done. Especially if you eat and stuff too. It's just like all of it's like a lot, you know what I mean, but. Yeah. Okay, so how long after Dancing With The Stars do you meet Robbie?

Like a year and a half. So that's some time after the breakup. Yeah, was it? Oh my God, now or no. Okay, I did Dancing with the Stars. No, it was maybe six months. End of 2022, I went on tour until March of 2023 and then I met Robbie in May.

Oh my God, and did she see you on TV or you saw her on TV or how did it work? She saw me on TV, but also we just met outside of a lesbian bar, we should go. Where, where, where? Where's the lesbian bar? Yes, I will. No, yeah, no, it was a lesbian night,

it was semi-tropic, which like, they're not really giving other than like the lesbian night, but yeah, my friend who's gay was like, we should go try and meet girls, whatever, I was exploring. So, and she was outside the bar. My friend's girlfriend recognized Robbie from her comedy and just kind of wing manned it. And I was like, I don't even know what a lesbian is,

like who I'm looking at, but like, I'm very interested in this girl. Wow. Yeah, and she- Like at first sight. Yeah, and she like laid it on thick. She's like, I'm not gonna lie, Gabby, I want your number. She had mad game I know Yes, yeah podcast last night with her as it's like well obviously hacks

I know like you said on the bucket that one's like okay now She's so like blown up so big cuz of acts but yeah with a minute you see her on screen You're just like damn totally everybody. Yeah, there's no one else in the world like her Wow So you saw her and you're just like wow. She just got married pretty quickly, like a year? Yeah, like yeah, a year and a half. Oh my gosh. I know, which is kind of slow for lesbians. Really?

Yeah, normally they're like six months. She was proposing probably three months in. Wow. And I'm like I need time, I need time, I need time. Oh no, you said no to that too? Yeah, you love saying no. I said no to everything, yes. But there is like, if you wrote a book.

There's a psychology behind it. I was gonna say there's like power in it because look at you like thriving in every aspect of life saying no. Yeah, but I was once told which stuck with me that's like your career is made by what you say no to. Oh my God, who said that? And I love to say no inherently.

I love that, oh my gosh. I know, it's like finally I'm at the level where I can say no. Yeah. Because like at the beginning you would have to say yes, yes, yes, get yourself out there. But at my core, I do not like to be social. At all. You don't like to leave the house.

This I like. Same. Yes. I think podcasting is great for that reason because it gives me my social and then I'm like, I never want to see anyone ever again. Totally. If it has to do with work,

it's like two birds with one stone. Yeah. And then that's good enough. Oh, have you always been like that? Kinda, I don't think, I think I was too afraid to own it. I'm like an introvert, you know, so and everybody else is going out, I'm like, oh, what's wrong with me?

I'm just so tired, but I like quality time. Yeah, like one on one. Even in your 20s, were you like that too? Well then I was a cheerleader, but I was. I was getting social interaction through practice, through nursing, and I would go out, because I didn't know what the fuck else to do in my 20s. Yeah, so you're like, OK, I'll do something.

Well, at least you went out. I was staying at home, just locking myself in my apartment. Well, you did some other crazy shit in your 20s. I was doing so much crazy shit, but alone in my apartment. I was just not even partying with anyone. I'm like, let me just do something in my bathroom floor by myself. like, not even partying with anyone. I'm like, let me just do something in my bathroom floor,

you know, by myself. It was very weird and very awkward. But you are a social person, because then also a bachelor. Did you get along with girls on the show? Yeah, I'm such a girls girl, like at heart. Thinking about it, Robbie and I will watch, like she loves to watch Sister Wives.

Love it. Love it, I love clips of it. I haven't watched the whole thing, but I love the idea of it. It's like, so now we're on Polly Family. Oh my gosh. Is that the spinoff? It's not the spinoff, but it's kind of the same idea,

but it's not just one guy. It's like two couples, they're a quad, and they're like kind of all intermixed, and they have kids and stuff. And I was watching, I was like, why is this giving the bachelor? Yeah. You know?

Are they like eliminating people? Like what's happening? Giving roses? Yeah, literally. They're like, you gotta go. You're? Are they like eliminating people? Like what's happening? Giving roses? Yeah, literally. They're like, you gotta go. You're not good enough. But it's like Sister Wives where you make friends with all the girls. Like all the girls have a relationship as the sister wives.

You know? I see. Cause you're surrounded by them and I think it's our natural nature as women to just like support each other. We'd be like, oh my God, yeah, did you make out? Like, do you want to borrow something? Like go through my closet for your next date.

Wow, I would think it'd be the opposite. Like, don't touch my bitch, like, this is my man you're dating, you know? But it was the opposite for you. Yeah, no. They were all in love. They were because I didn't give a fuck about him. And maybe because I'm a lesbian.

Really? But not at the time, right? No, but it's like kind of like the same thing. Internally, you kind of know. You're kind of like, oh, that's like. So you were not attracted to the first Bachelor? Which you guys were talking on Thursday. Which?

I think Gabby made me cough. I don't think it's a bad thing. No, that's what I'm like. I meant to call him something else. Yeah, toes. We were saying toes are not bad. No, it's literally not bad. I don't think that at all.

I called someone a toe, and then he's like, I'm like, who else said that? He's like, oh, Gabby. He's like, oh, yeah. It's not a bad thing. I know. And he was like, you're bullying me. I'm like, oh, my all. I called someone at Toa and then he's like, I'm like, who else said that? He's like, okay. I was like, oh yeah, like it's not a bad thing. I know. And he was like, you're bullying me. I'm like, oh my God, I called my manager and I was like,

is he going to sue me for defamation? I thought he was going to go full Amber Heard on my ass. And I was like, oh my God, I'm actually so scared because his response to me was so dramatic. What did you respond after that? Yeah. Oh, you did? I don't know if I saw your response back to him. No, it was fine.

It kind of took a turn. But you know, what I said, if I have a take about sticking up for other women, then I'll say it. I'm not just going to go back at him. But first of all, people were like, you can talk shit on your ex-boyfriend. Yes, absolutely. And even at the end of the clip, I owned him.

I was like, and that's my man. I wasn't, you know, like I brought it back around. Yeah, you were like proud. Yeah, totally. Like I admitted fully that on the show, you like gaslight yourself into loving this person. So I didn't even deny any of that. But, and then he made that crazy video and I was like,

well, if you really want to go there, like you exploited my sex life on TV. You talked about, yes, like without my consent, coming from a man. It's like, you have so much power over us normally, and you're not going to want to go there with me. That was crazy. See, I forget about that part, because we did talk about that a while ago on the Hot Topics when it came out.

And I was like, that's actually insane to say what you did with somebody. I would have said way worse about him and still continue to. That's crazy. That's what everyone says. I'm like, I'm gonna get sued. Is this the one that you ended up with for your season of Bachelor that you are engaged to?

Or no, this is the original Bachelor? No, yes. So the one that you ended up with, he's not the toe. No, but he could be classified as a toe head. I heard you guys talk about it. And it's like what is the spelling? Is it T-O-E or T-O-W? I think T-O-E probably.

I think the nail of the toe is the blonde hair. Yes, the flesh. That's why I say it's all kind of flesh color. You're OK with him. I mean, we're not OK. But it happened. I mean, he just didn't have his shit together. He was like, he didn't have a job,

he didn't wanna get a job, and that was basically it. I'm like, how are you gonna go on a TV show, bamboozle me into thinking you're a normal person, and then get off the show and you have no income? Do you think he was relying on the show to get income, like to be an influencer? Yeah, but men cannot be influencers. It's like, hello, nobody wants to buy anything from you.

Like, you can be a hot dude, but that can only get you so far. You're so right, there's not one thing a man has shown that I'm like, I need to buy that. Yeah, no, we're not buying like razors. Was he trying to do like OF or something, maybe else? Like, that I would have been fine with, you know, cause at least he would have had

like subscriptions and income. Yeah. But no, he was just like waiting for brand deals, I think. Oh, ick. I know. It's an ick. Totally. The double standard is that.

He would eat my leftovers in the fridge at night and not tell me. And in the morning I would go for them and it'd be an empty box. He would leave the box in there. Is that why you broke up? Yeah. Among other things. Oh my god.

No, that's bad. Yeah, it's just like our goals weren't aligned. Like meeting Robbie, like as a woman, we just have our shit together. She's so driven. She's so smart. We're going to push each other in our careers. And like he just didn't even know what that meant.

Yeah. That night and day, because I was listening to your guys' interview, was she acting when you met her, Robbie? She had done a couple things, and maybe just getting into acting, but not like this. Not like this. Yeah. She sold a show to HBO.

She said like. Yeah, she sold shows before. Wow. That's so insane. She's a really talented TV writer. She has an Emmy. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

For what show? She wrote, it's a kid's show, Odd Squad. Oh. Oh my gosh, yes. For what show? She wrote, it's a kid show, Odd Squad. Oh, oh my gosh, yes. We just went to a birthday party for Odd Squad, Molly, like her kids, yeah. They love that show. Oh my gosh, that's, she wrote for that? Yeah.

Oh my gosh. And won an Emmy. Yeah, she's really talented. She's been in the industry forever. And you don't feel, also, cause you're also booming right now. How do you guys feel? Does it feel like competition?

Do you see each other? Do you like, how do you, how does it work? I think in the beginning, I had never been with someone like that. So like naturally I was feeling the competition aspect, but now as I become more secure in my relationship and watching her succeed and have everyone seeing what I see in her,

I'm like, this is, this is just what happens when you're with a special person. Yeah. Like obviously everyone is going to see, and like I said, she's so driven. She doesn't want to stop. She wants to take acting really like I said, she's so driven, she doesn't wanna stop, she wants to take acting really seriously,

see what she can do with it. So like, I'm like, damn, like that's my girl. Yeah, so you're like proud. Or my man. Yeah, or my man. Or my man. Or both, it can be a little bit of both. I love that you have both with her,

which I think is so great. No, you said something so amazing too. You said the way you grew up and stuff, you were always looking for like attention, and you weren't used to free validation, just someone just giving you validation because you're you. And I thought that was the most beautiful thing. How did you grow up?

Because you referenced that a lot. You're like, how I grew up, how I grew up. But then you said you lived with your parents, so it's relatively okay. Yes, yeah, my mom, I lived, my parents were divorced, so I spent most of the time with my mom growing up, and now we don't have a relationship. Currently?

Yeah. Oh. And my dad, he was definitely present, and it was every other weekend or summers. But he's been supportive, and that's who I went back to live with and stuff. But growing up, my mom was just, she had her own going on. She was just never going to be in a good place to be a mother.

And she didn't pay attention. you know, all that stuff. So not paying attention, she just working a lot and you're just left to your own? Yeah, she was working a lot, or even if she was home, she was always kind of, she would lock herself in her room or she was always on the computer. Even now, she has a relationship with my sister's kids and she'll be on her phone the whole time.

She just doesn't have awareness, you know? To connect, yeah. Among other things and she was emotionally abusive, kind of talked down to me, all of that. Oh my gosh. So then, yeah, getting in relationships, it brings up all of that. So I'm like, why am I acting this way?

But Robbie's been so supportive. And now you just feel content, just like peace. You don't have to fight fight for attention or like. Yeah. Did you feel like that with your other relationships? Like not even, cause I didn't even want attention from them. Really?

Yeah, when it came down to it I'm like, I don't even like you. Wow. But I felt like I was anxious attached in the beginning. I'd be like, do they even like me? Like because I wasn't secure in myself. Yeah. I'd be like, oh, I don't know why they like me if they do,

or nothing were to validate me, but Robbie's like so different that she made me feel special right from the beginning. Oh my god, so that's why you fell in love. How was married like? Because you just got legally married like April, and then January you had the ceremony. Yeah.

Oh my god, so how does it feel? Amazing, it's like the best thing ever. Okay, I love when people are so for marriage, because people are like, it's just a piece of paper. It's just this, what is your argument pro marriage? Because I love it. I love being married too. I think also, which nobody's gonna like to hear this,

but like being mentally unwell, like having a commitment and knowing that someone is down to commit like their life to you feels good. Yeah. Like that's the security that I want and need. Like you're just trapped. Yeah, yeah. We have a contract. Exactly. Like I want and need. Like, your ass is trapped. Yeah, yeah, we have a contract.

Exactly, like, I like the contract. Me too. There's something just, like you said, it feels committed. It feels real, like, not one foot out the door, just in case, yeah. And I feel that too, because I will try and, like, run, or I'm the one who, like, kind of always had one foot out the door or something.

Oh, so you also have to be committed. Yes, now I'm like, okay, let's work through it. And then it's fine. Do you guys have any arguments? Yeah. Really? Yeah, we're two girls, we're so drama. Wait.

Around our periods, it's like you would not believe. Wait, is that real? Cause you hear about it. It's so real. Oh my God, so like what would be an argument? I mean, anything really, like I'll take things personally just to find a bad place, so I'm like, I don't know, I'll call her out,

be like, why aren't you paying attention to me? You're on your phone too much, and stuff like that. Or if she's really stressed out and I feel like she's not being sweet with me, because she has a demeanor, you know what I mean? And her family coming to visit, she's pretty, not rough with them, but straightforward. Yes.

But I'm like, I'm different. I want you to be sweet with me. Yeah. But that's almost like the insecurity of your mom then, being on the phone and stuff, which is so interesting. Oh, yeah, totally. That's true.

Oh, no. Do you guys fight ever? Not anymore. When we first did, yeah, we did. But now I think he just knows I'm always right, so we never fight. And that's the thing. That is the one thing with being with a girl. It's like, can't think he just knows I'm always right so we never fight. And that's the thing.

It's like that is the one thing with being with a girl. It's like, can't you just tell me I'm right? Because she's also kind of a contrarian at heart. Like she'll just, she's kind of a naysayer. She's a Sagittarius. And she's a talker, so it's more interesting if she has the opposite point. But I'm like, you can just agree with me.

It's literally not that deep. Maybe you learn that over the time of marriage. I mean, we've only been married four years, but I think over time he just kind of knows because we would go back and forth a lot and I'm just like, just stop. And then I say, I'm like, just stop arguing. Like I am like, now we know when to stop

and that's where it's at. But that makes, okay, well that makes sense though. So being married now was a couple months. You guys had a Vegas wedding. Sheer, it'll be worth. Thank you. See through. People were like, what was it like going to Topliss

at your wedding? And I'm like, you know what, I never thought of it like that. It was, it was, and I loved it. Was it a decision you made on purpose, or you're like, I just don't wanna wear a bra today? No, I never wanna wear a bra. Same, never. Yeah, so I'm like, never wearing a bra.

Same, yes, I have these huge pasties right here that cover my nipples, because I'm like, I never wanna wear it. Yes, I'm always nipping out. So I'm like, what? On all the shows that I've been on, they'll chase me with pasties. Oh, wait, really?

Yes, and I'm like, get the fuck away. Traitors? No, I guess I was warm. I, and this is what I've learned recently, is I would like, I don't want them to feel weird about talking about my nipples. Like the production staff to come up. So I would wear pasties, but one time I saw Sierra nipping out and I'm like, that's gonna

be me. So on the last episode I didn't wear any. And then I was on a shoot for something last week. It wasn't sheer, but it was definitely material where you could see. And I didn't offer them, because I'm like, whatever, ask for forgiveness, see what they do. And I guess they were over the headset, like, what should we do about our nipples? Oh, because you can't say,

because it's weird to say something, too. Right, and then someone was like, well, I think that's kind of her brand. Yeah, have you seen her Instagram? Yeah. You had the eggs and the toast and the tanning pad. I was like, love this. But no, I asked my stylist to kind of just find me

a dress to wear, because I'm like, I don't want to look for a wedding dress I didn't want it to be kind of a classic wedding dress. And then this is one of the ones they found. And I'm like, should I wear pasties? And they're like, no. Yeah, no. Oh yeah, pasties underneath the sheer.

No, absolutely not. I hate that we can't show nipples. It's like literally my, or also that you'll get like TikTok will like take it down if you like show nipples. And I'm like, that's the craziest thing. It's so crazy. Like men can fully just show nips like I'm saying it's like they can totally go topless So what the but and some people have huge boobs some guys have huge boobs

And it's like that's insane that you can't it's my face pet peeve because I would go topless all day every day if I could Like yeah, and I do not nice moves Mine are saggy mine are gross and I still want to go topless all day and no all boobs are gorgeous And we should I mean even Robbie has top surgery, you know? And I'll post photos of her in my Instagram and people will be like, she's topless. It's like, what the fuck? And Instagram doesn't have a problem with that?

No. Just like comment Karen's. And it's like, obviously you don't get it, you know? And like, why can't we all? I know that part. It's like, it's my biggest frustration always, is like that we can't have that, because it's like why? And then we have to be know that part. It's like, oh, it's my biggest frustration always, is like that we can't have that, because it's like, why? And then we'd be so careful.

Like, is my nip out? And people say, pull up your dress, pull up your dress. I was like, oh my god, it's like a nipple. It drives me nuts. How do we get on the nipple topic? Because I was like changing it. I was like, oh, because you're wedding dress. But your whole brand now is very sexy.

It's very nipple. Like you have Ariella. I thought you were like, Tech Nines song. Oop, Ariella. I thought you were like Tech 9 song. Oop, Ariella. Do you know that one? No. Yes. It sounds like an Oop, There It Is song,

but that's a new one? It's like that, no, it's old. You know Ariella? You know Tech 9? No. You don't? A rapper? DJ.

I think they're a DJ. They have a couple of really good songs. Well, they have two, that one and a different one that's more popular. What's the more popular one? I forget, it's something about like a liquor. I forget, but obviously, ooh, areola is my favorite one. I like that.

It's like that shirt fell off her shoulder. And then they go, oop, areola. And it's like, oop, areola. I don't know this one. I can't believe you don't know. I feel like it's up your alley. No. I'll have to send it to you.

I don't have areolas. I got mine removed. Yeah. I feel like I just saw one. No. This is just a pad of gummy. Oh my god. Yeah. No.

I got them removed, but not on purpose. Like, they took off the areola. Because I wanted them smaller, but they just left the nipple and no areola. Oh my god. So can you breastfeed? No problem? No.

And I feel nothing. You could squeeze it as hard as you can. You could bite it with your teeth out, and I can't feel anything. Oh my god. so can you breastfeed? No problem. No, and I feel nothing. You could like squeeze it as hard as you can, you could bite it with your teeth out, and I can't feel anything. Oh my god, that's terrible. Did you go back and you were like, what the fuck? No. You were like, what's done is done.

What's done is done. There goes my areola. I don't return anything at all. Like I don't return clothes. Yeah, but I do wanna get them done again, but I don't know if they could put it back on. I'm not really sure, but. You do like have it saved?

No, they didn't tell me. Yes, they didn't tell me. You just woke up and you're like, holy shit, where's my areola? Yeah, it's just like a nip and a bunch of stitching around it. And they're uneven, so they're just crazy. Oh my god, I have a friend who's naturally googly eyed. OK, it's not bad.

I like it. Yeah, it's kind of funny. It did well on OF when I did it, because I was like, Frankies. Everyone's like, oh my god, there's stitches, and there's this. It looks crazy. That's amazing. Yeah, but the nipple gate. But then I had to look up your age, because I was like, oh, I have when I did it, because I was like, frankies. Everyone's like, oh my god, there's stitches, and there's this, it's like, it looks crazy. But.

That's amazing. Yeah, but the nipple gate. But then I had to look up your age, because I was like, oh. Don't say it, you can't say it. No, I won't. I thought you were like, literally like 21 or 22. Thank you.

And I was like, I love that you're just showing all your body, not caring, and just like, you look amazing, obviously, but you're in people's most beautiful, like this month, was it? Or last month? Yeah. So, gorgeous. All these photo shoots, but you're in people's most beautiful, like this month was it? Or last month? Yeah. So, gorgeous.

All these photoshoots, if you go to your Instagram, just like literally just your body and just showing it all off. And I'm like, I wish I could like be like that again. Like I miss being that. I'm just so insecure about my body now, but I love that you just show everything off. It's like sex cells.

Yeah, I'm like, let's be real. Like I'm just trying to make a buck. Really? That's so funny. Yeah. I always just think you just want to be naked all the time. It's all about power.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's really. I'm just trying to make a dollar. Totally in all my meetings, I'm like, let's not beat around the bush. This is my brand because it sells. Wow.

So don't try. I have one brand that we're kind of like back and forth with, and they're like Christian or conservative or whatever. They're like a huge, it's like an umbrella. And at the top, and they were like, can she take down her Edie Parker post? My post. But then I'm like, well, if I take that down,

the next post is my tits out on my wedding day. So what are they going to have to make me take down my wedding photos? Yeah, that's not to have to make me take down my wedding photos? Yeah, that's sent to you forever. They have to. It's like the last episode. That's sent to you forever. You've got to stop it at some point.

Yeah, exactly. But then, because you know, which like knock on wood, people. I don't know. It's one somewhere. People are like, I think in the older, or not older, but earlier days of influencing, they wanted you to be very clean girl, have a message, like this.

You had to be brand friendly. But I feel like I've kind of created my own lane that people are like, okay, this is just her. Which is interesting because you come from Bachelor and Dancing with Stars Disney, so I'm like, that doesn't seem like the transition. Which was intentional, because I knew I had to get away from that.

And it wasn't intentional, but I'm like, this just isn't me. Not that I was being someone else on Bachelor, because I was very much myself. Same storyline, whatever, like, empowered woman. I'd been through it. But their audience wanted you to be a certain way. So when you were like, yeah, what's your audience like with Traders, it's like the gays.

They will stick with you, you two. They're gonna rally around you, it's the best thing ever. It really is, and now I fear that everyone's trying to get that because they know that audience. So now everyone's just trying to be gay icons, and I'm like, but you can't. Because you have to choose to be, they have to choose you. You know what I mean?

Yeah, and they have good taste. Yeah taste yeah everyone now is trying to get on this especially now that we're coming yeah pride season you know all the companies are just like oh yeah yeah yeah totally which I mean you're already head of it though because I'm gay you're like I'm there no it's really cool it's really cool to see like just your whole like evolution of everything so back in trade I'll go back that cuz I'm like so now it's really cool. It's really cool to see just your whole evolution of everything. So back to Trader's, we'll go back to that. Because I'm like, so now it's been a couple months, but during the height of it, because it was the biggest

show on television, obviously people still love it. But what is the experience like filming versus seeing it come out? Seeing it come out was way better. Filming was terrible. Wait, why? Tell me. Maybe not want to do it.

I'm like, no, actually I don't want to do it. No, but you're such a hard worker. Oh my god, you on tour. Every time I see a clip I'm like, when does she get a break? Oh, yeah. And then you're doing the podcast two times a week still, plus your Patreon. Yeah. You're like, I already know your sign. Are you a Gemini? Close, I'm a Taurus. Oh, yeah. Okay, no, that makes sense. Yeah, what are you? Because you like luxury. Yes, well I know, I work hard for this. Yes. VIP Disney trips, you know what I mean? Like, that's what I do it for. What are you? Because you like luxury. Yes, well I know, I work hard for the VIP Disney trips. You know what I mean? That's what I do it for. What are you? I'm a Capricorn.

When's your birthday, December? January 2nd. Yeah. Do you like it? I do. You don't feel like the overflow. Yeah, Christmas being like, oh, you just get the leftover, like, oh, we got this for Christmas

and your birthday. I don't mind planning my own birthday, and I'll do it a couple weeks after. Oh, so more people here. Yeah, totally. So I don't have planning my own birthday and I'll do it a couple weeks after I was like Yeah, totally. Okay, so I don't have a problem with it. But but yeah, no the way you work. I'm like, oh my god and being pregnant It's so crazy. So maybe you would love traitors filming 16 hour days. I don't yeah I would I don't think I could do it for real because like physically I was like how the hell like running and all that Guys are doing I mean you saw I've uh, he could do it Oh, that's true when I see the old British ones doing it

I was like I was like why did they put that interview where I was talking in his heart Like I think I was like is he gonna make her he's gonna cardiac arrest No, I legit concerned and it wasn't even that it was he was having a knee problem and I think that was any better? Well, you were concerned about the heart, which I would be too. I mean, I would be passing out for sure. No, yeah, and like uphill and stuff, but I was ready to leave his in the dust.

They're like, Gabby, we can't do that. I'm like, no, you can sit out like one challenge. It's not gonna. Can they do that? Can they opt to do it? I think so. I would sit out every challenge. Because can I not gonna. Can they do that? Can they opt to do it? I think so. I would sit out every challenge. Yeah.

Because can I tell you, like, if the challenge is, okay, you can like, the debate is up there for the fans. It's like the challenges don't really matter, right? No. So it's like, I think they need to have higher stakes. Like immunity for the week or something. Not 20,000, you know, I don't know.

I would just be sitting out every challenge and I wouldn't matter because I'm not getting that coin, but who cares, you know? Yeah, no, that's what everyone says. It's like, and they're casting like people who have been on TV for a while. I don't know, I would just be sitting out every challenge and I wouldn't matter because I'm not getting that coin, but who cares? You know? Yeah, no, that's what everyone says. It's like, and they're casting people who have been on TV for a while. So in the bug challenge,

and Krishelle and Dolores took out their hands first and they were like, we'll give you $5,000. Like the money we lost. Yeah. And it's like, yeah. Can they do that? No. They're like, I'll just wire you the money.

Yeah. They're like, no. If I can say it. Yeah, that's what I would do. Oh my god. What was the hardest challenge? Well, for me, it was the helicopter thing. I really thought it was a liability.

I'm like, I can't say goodbye to my family. I could die. I couldn't have any fun because I was afraid I was gonna fall to my death. I was like, in my head, okay, if we do fall, maybe Dylan will fall first and I can maneuver myself and he'll take the blow. Oh my god, that's a smart idea though,

because you did go up with him, but he is heavy, I'd be scared, because those helicopters, in general, helicopters, I have a fear of them, but like dangling from one, like one rope. And you're just, it's two buckles. It's like just two buckles that you can go like this. Oh my gosh, and I'm like, is there any backup? Yeah.

Like there's no plan B, there's no parachutes, nothing. I know, I'm like, this is a real liability. I don't know why you guys thought this was a good idea, so I sobbed and I had an emergency call with Robbie. Oh, they let you, so you can talk to people. I'll tell you, I'll fix anything, right? Oh, thank you. I thought it was just too me.

No, I mean, you can. You can keep it, I don't know. Yeah. Wait, so you can talk to them. I mean, it looks fine like that. It's head is crooked, but I should've said, I'm like know. Yeah. Wait, so you can talk. It looks nice like that. And the head is crooked, but I should have said, I'm like, oh, this just must be the way

that I'm supposed to talk in it. No, I don't know why. Because I got the whole time. It's good. Keep it like that. I like it. It looks pretty. So you can talk to people during,

you're not secluded without a phone. Once a week, you don't have a phone. And I was like, break down crying sobbing. Oh my god. So they were like, okay you can call her. We're gonna get this under control. So Robbie helped you stay then? Yeah, yeah and like, I mean really,

I'm like if I, I'm so glad I wasn't a traitor but if I'm gonna go back on TV I want some screen time. Yeah. You have to like make the most of it cause you don't know when these opportunities are gonna come. So I'm like I just need to be here to max my episodes. Wow, that was so smart.

And then towards the end, like they really became like the star of the show, which is, did you feel it at the time? Were you like, okay, this is how I'm gonna get to be like the star? Not really. Really? Yeah.

Because everyone else, look, traders had love, but like in general, it can be dull. Like, you know, the dullness of it. Right. But, I don't know. I don't know if people are really comfortable showing their personality to the fullest cause they don't know if it's gonna be taken out of context or whatever.

But I'm like, now I need to like, you know, you have to give some something for people to remember you by. Yeah. Like you gotta make a splash. So in my interviews, I would like, I was telling Los Culturistas, I do know NAD. No.

NAD. It's like, the Bieber's do it. What? Which I- Is it a drug? What is it? NAD? I never heard of it.

The next time you're alone in your room, instead of do NAD. Wait, really? Is it legal? I do question the legality of it. It's like a vitamin, but it like helps regenerate your cells. So it's an IV and I I would do it once a week, once every other week, and it literally makes you feel like you have so much concentration,

you can do anything, you can get all your chores done, and you're so mentally clear. So I was obviously preparing to go on the show, and I got a nasal spray of it. And then so before every interview, I would dope up with the nasal spray, completely legal. Are you crushing your bills? Defeating your monthly payments.

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Find out more at rbc.com slash petro dash Canada. Conditions apply. I would give. Oh my God, that's so smart. What is the drug, I guess? What does it make you focus? Like, what is it in it? It just makes you so clear.

Like, you know, so you can think faster. You can kind of be like on your feet, like a little more witty. So I would do it before round tables too. Maybe like come at me, Dylan Efron. You were so good, you ate so hard too. Everyone like calling people out. You're just so smart, like I would definitely be,

we said this on last episode, I'd be that girl that like never voted the right way. Like you were always on, and the one that like ended up winning like never voted the right way. And I was like damn, she made it so far though. Yeah, I know, it really doesn't matter. It's like a game of luck, they say.

Yeah, but you made it. You really didn't make it so far. When everyone else I was gonna vote for you as a traitor, you really turned it around. No, same, I had no idea. I'm like, I was not even onto you guys, and what the fuck, you know I'm not a traitor. You just don't wanna win with me, be honest.

That's so interesting. Do you think that's what it was? Because the girls really came after each other this season. I was just like, damn, the girl on girl hate was real. Yeah, no, it was so real in the, in the turret. Yeah. I was like those two women, I was like, oh my God, I felt so bad.

They just like, actually we're eliminating you. I was like, what the hell's happening? When Carolyn said that, it was like mic drop. And she was like, we should all go for you Danielle. I know. That was amazing. It was a good season. It was the best season and she was like, we should all go for you, Danielle. That was amazing. It was a good season. It was the best season by far for that reason. And then obviously all the boys just being so out to lunch.

Like I don't think any of the guys that was happening, Tom Zanavall, Sam Oscari, I was like, do they know what they're playing? Like, so random. Was it like that in real life? Well, the thing in real life is like you do, you don't know what's real or not. So at some point you could be like,

is Tom Zanavall the smartest person in the room? No, you'd never thought that. That's not the way he thought that. You'd be surprised, I'd be like, is he a savant at this one thing? Like, can he, is he like a mind reader? Yes, he's like a traitor hunter. Oh, okay, so you had questions.

But not really, it came and went fast. Yeah, yeah, you're like, actually no, definitely not. Good try at it. What was the best part of Traders? The best part was, I'm like the money. That came way late. The after that I had to beg for. And then you said they did not love how you handled it.

They were mad. It was like fine, but no. Were they like, stop talking about this? Kind of, they did it really fast Yeah, I'm sure they just wanted they're like we're gonna handle this because we need her to shut the Yes, somehow TMZ came to the airport and like I found you yeah That's your budget. Yeah, and like had insider knowledge and I'm like what is going on here? Like who are your sources? They're wild. They'll like know everything about everyone. Oh my God, that's so crazy.

So you had us with the money four ways. Yeah. I was just like, right. It was like, whatever. So then from there, FDG Traders obviously blows up everywhere, you're everywhere. How do you now navigate like where you're gonna go? I just say no.

You say no, you said no to your podcast too, right? You said no to Long Winded. Yeah, I didn't. I'm like, there's just, yeah, nothing else to do. Everyone has a podcast. I guess I'll try and make it work. But coming off of Bachelor, I'm like, I'm not just gonna have a podcast.

And now it's like the best thing ever. It's crazy, because it has such an evolution, because you started it, what, like, a year and a half ago? Two years ago? A year ago in April. Wow, so because it started with like guest-based. Yeah. And now it's just like your stream of consciousness.

You're just like, you by yourself. Just nuts. Are you an NAD before those two? Yeah. Yeah. I'm like doping among other things. Here we go. I have like a cocktail.

And the first time I did it on Traders, it was so strong in my nose that I blew a blood vessel. Oh my God. My eye was so red. Yes, it was so red. So I had to do it in my nose that it I blew a blood vessel Yes, it was so red so I had to do it in my mouth Because the way it made you feel Okay, so it's completely over the counter. But maybe wait. Yeah, yeah, I'm like giving medical advice to a pregnant woman. I'm like, no, I cannot be a doctor. You are a nurse.

I know. They already, it's like, no, this is the one thing. That's so funny. Yeah. Because if it was up to me, I'd be chain smoking through my pregnancy. I'd be like, it's prophylactic, the baby's smaller. Like, I'm looking out for my pelvis.

Well, you announced a couple days ago. You're like, I do not want kids. So it's not happening. Prophylactic the baby smaller like I'm looking out for my pelvis That would be I know it is crazy I know the whole bit even air one smoothies They tell you not to drink when you're pregnant. That's so sketchy Yeah, Kelly, which is just came out with one day and I was like so excited But like every time I try one everyone's like oh this this is not good for pregnancy It's like I'm like, what are we putting in our bodies? I what the fuck? Yeah, exactly You know you have to you probably, but you have to pay a lot of money to have an Air One smoothie. No, I didn't know.

How do you know this? Did they offer you one? No. I didn't even say no. Yeah, they offered me one for free. I said no. I can see it, because you are the demo for an Air One smoothie. We always say you have to be tiny, attractive, petite.

Yeah, oh my gosh. No, but I'm not the picture of health. But you really are. You look like it. No, I'm mentally ill and just am always talking about my nicotine addiction. Oh, but I'm not the picture of health. But you really are. You look like it. No, I'm mentally ill and just like, I'm always talking about my nicotine addiction. Oh, I didn't know that. OK.

It's like mild. I love that. Yeah. And your mental illness is? Is depression, anxiety, maybe a mood thing. I don't know. A little bit of everything. Yeah.

OK. So back to everyone, how do you know that? But I want to go back to mental illness, too. Yes, yes, yes. There's so much. No, my publicist, we were kind of talking about things, because we did a little whatever kind of article with Interview Mag.

And she was like, try and product place for brands that you would maybe want to work with. She's like, Air One. And she's like, oh my god, not Air One. You have to pay a lot of money to have an Air One smoothie. No. Like thousands of dollars. What?

But tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah, which makes sense. Look at the people who have them. But why? What's the purpose? What's the point of dollars. What? But tens of thousands of dollars, yeah. Which makes sense, look at the people who have them. But why, what's the purpose, what's the point of paying for one? I think like it's the prestige. Erewans, maybe? Maybe Jambas nationwide. That pregnant women?

Erewans just here in Southern California, how much publicity are you getting? Yeah, but Jamb's aren't $30. That's true. They're too affordable. But that's what I'm saying. Jamba's everything. They do.

No, they're way too affordable. I get that chocolate moocow all day long. It's my favorite. Oh my god. That's crazy. So you didn't say it in the interview magazine then. You were like, no product placement. What did you say for your product placement?

Oh, well, I did a couple things. I did a candle with Boyce Mels, because they're a fun candle brand. And I was supposed to do something with them but it fell through and then there's a different, oh, Edie Parker. I did like product placement because I already and then I did a campaign with them.

Oh, so it worked. Yeah. Wait, that's great. Because we talk about Domino's every episode and they never give us a sponsorship. Damn, that's done. Every episode. Yes, I did one with Domino's.

Yeah! Oh my God, I forgot. That's done every episode. I did one with Domino It was so crazy to it was the kit most chaotic concept it was Domino's and a nail collab We had pizza press on nails. That's so perfect for me Wait, what? I had pizza press on nails. That's so perfect for me. Why were you so jealous? Because I was like, what is this? But I needed the money, or else I would have said no. No way.

Are you not a Domino's fan? I like Papa John's. I'm so shook. I'm so shook right now. But I do like saying Domino's Domino's. To make it fancy? Yeah. Domino's.

So it hits. Do you say it in the brand deal? Yeah. And they were like, that's fine, you misspelt, you misspronounced her name, but it's okay. Yes. I was like, that Italian restaurant down the street, Domino's.

Oh my god. People probably didn't even know, did they know it was a sponsorship? Did you have to disclose that it was like, when was this? Before Traders or after? Um, this was, this was after, or before it aired, after I filmed, like last fall.

But they're always lurking in the comments and stuff. They need to pay up. They never paid me ever. I see them in so many people get them all the time. I've talked about them for literally my entire life and I've never gotten a sponsorship. Well maybe start talking about Papa John's. We tried to do that.

We tried to bring just switch gears. And then probably Domino's will come running. They're gonna be like we wish Trisha talked about us. Oh my god, you're so right. No, I met, even at my mean greet, the CEO's son of Domino's supposedly was in my mean greet. He's like, my dad runs Domino's. I was like, well, tell him to give me a brand deal.

Like, what the fuck, I've been screaming. No, no, I have a theory. Well, it's a right theory. They just don't really love fat people promoting their pizza. Because they don't want people to think you look like this. They want people to think like this if you eat Domino's. No, it's so fucked up. Yeah, but it's fine.

It's like. Maybe I'll do the Manjaro and then I'll get the Domino's pizza sponsorship. What's Manjaro? You don't know Manjaro? No, what's Manjaro? What? It's like, do you not know about JLP1s?

Oh wait, oh, Ozempic? Like Ozempic and stuff? Oh. You don't know? Wait, this is like all that consumes my mind. I can't believe you don't know this. Wait, I don't know, what is it, Manjaro? Manjaro, it's like the one.

Is that like off-brand or is that the real brand? It's like a different version. It's like Ozempic. The celebrities do Manjaro. I think Megan Trainor just admitted to doing Manjaro. Like all the celebrities do it. What's the difference? Is it cleaner?

I don't know. I think it's supposed to make you less sick or something like that. I think is the idea behind Manjaro. But not as intense as an Ozempic, but everyone gets very skinny on it. I mean, everyone, it's like we know it, but everyone's on Ozempic. It's like you see someone after you haven't seen them in six months, and you're like, okay, they didn't just get good Botox.

Right, they got so skinny. Have you tried it? No. It's not everyone, you're not on it. Yeah. You look great, you look so amazing. Thank you, it's anxiety. What does that do?

How does that help your body? Well it's like I think my meds affect my appetite and they make me horny. I know. Oh my God, can you say, I guess you can't say what kind, I don't know if you can. No I can say, L'amictal. It's like a mood stabilizer.

I've tried everything, and this is the one that works for me. And I'm just constantly anxious. But the mood stabilizer makes you anxious too? No, it makes it less. But if I have something to do for work, or if I have a job coming up, or on Traders, everyone lost weight from the beginning to the end, because we're so stressed out.

And so it's directly related to how stressed I am with work. Oh, interesting. I try not to work that much. Oh my God, yeah, that's why you're saying no to things. That's so wild. And there's nothing you can do to like reduce it? Like?

Like I smoke. Okay, so does that help? Yeah, I mean, it's like I eat a lot on it, but it's like fine. It's like I don't have, you know. So there's like I mean it's like I eat a lot on it, but it's like fine I it's like I don't have you know so there's like two different things happening. I eat fine I don't want to perpetuate anything like you guys. It's fine. It's probably genetic Like my dad is like very totally Yeah, he has to disclose everything now

Oh my god, wait There's a lot happening then so you have your mood stabilizer that doesn't make you wanna eat. Then you have the for the anxiety. I'm like, I do not need an appetite stimulant, I'm just a pot head. So you get munchies on, but those are real. I don't know if I smoke properly, I don't think I know how to do it right,

but I never got hungry. You can't do it wrong. Or maybe, oh, you did too much. No, I think I don't know how to swallow it. I always say this. Don't you have to swallow it? I can't do it, right? Because we used to do it together

and I would never get high and I was thinking like. You would never get high, oh, because you don't inhale? Yeah, I would like to, but I don't know how to. It scares me, it burns my throat, I don't know, it scares me. No, it does burn. Oh, it does burn, are you okay? But you develop a tolerance and the burn goes away fast.

You have to be dedicated to it, so if you don't want to get high that bad. It sounded fun. It's fun. Everyone does it. And I'm like, it sounds so fun. Yeah, I love it. That's why sticking myself was easier.

Because I was like, well, it goes right to the veins. You know what I mean? It was a little easier. Having to inhale and wait. I'm like, gummies, you got to wait for it to kick in. And even gummies, when they make me high, I think I really just have an intolerance or my weight. I don't know. I had to eat a whole bag me high. I think I really just have an intolerance or my weight or something, I don't know,

I had to eat a whole bag to get something. No, some people have an intolerance. Just naturally. Yeah, mm-hmm. It's so wild. Yeah. Okay, so then mental, you're talking about mental illness. You said that, or no, mental health. Yeah, I lack thereof. No, I say mental illness.

They're like, well, Gabby speak on this board of mental health, I'm like, are they okay? Like, I don't have any, there's no aspect of it that's healthy. Well, but you're the perfect advocate because you're like working. Cause I'm like, No, I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not thriving. Which is what people want, you know? I think that about myself too. She can do it. Yeah. I feel like I'm like a crazy person, but like I somehow managed to like succeed in life. So I think that's like the poster child right there.

Yeah, honestly, inspiration. Yeah, no, you do, because it's like, you're doing all this stuff, you're sexy, you're on the cover, you're getting all these TV shows, you're constantly the star of every show you're on. So it's wild to me that, yeah, you should be the person speaking at a mental health conference. Oh, thank you.

Except it just makes you miserable. Now I'm like, I need to, now I need to retire. Wait, what part? On the main part or the? Yeah. Wait, really'm like, I need to, now I need to retire. Wait, what part? On the fame part or the? Yeah. Wait, really? Well, I don't know. No.

I say that, but it's like we chase fame because it's like I'm missing something, you know? Yes. So it's like, that's just another sickness. So it's like, come on. The seeking attention. I know, I would say that too. Like if I won the lottery, I'd play the lottery all the time,

but I'm like, I don't know. I still, I love attention, you know? Fame is different than money. Yeah, would you rather have fame or money? I mean, ugh, they kinda go hand in hand, but probably fame. I could do with more fame and less money than the opposite. Same, yeah.

Like, I actually don't need that much money. Like, mm, I mean, you get accustomed to it. Yes, yeah, yeah. I'm addicted to money, but I think I'm more addicted to fame. We talked about that too, like, someone offered me 100 million to never post again. I don't know if I could. Like never post on social media again.

Yeah, then I would really, it's like, it's parasocial. I'm like, these are my friends. Yeah, and then what's- These are my people. And what's the point of having money if you can't show it on social media? Like I have a house with water slides and no one sees it. Yeah, right.

That's not, that's, I could never, could never. Did you always want to be famous when you were a kid? I think so. Did you? I think so, I wanted something. I knew I had to get out, but I was always a dancer, so I thought like that would kind of, you know, parlay into some kind of fame, like which is why

I tried out for the Denver Broncos cheerleaders like three times. They were like, we don't want you. Wait, really? They said no to you. They said no, yes. And you kept going. Yeah, and then I took a page out of their book.

And then what did, yeah, you're like, I'm gonna try and say no, no, no. Wait, but how did you get on it then eventually? Did you have to like take classes? Did you get work done? I just, yeah. Did you get your boots? I got prettier.

Well, that'll do it. I figured Botox. No, it was just like they, a bunch, it was after the Superbowl, so they had a mass exodus of cheerleaders, so they had a lot, and they had a lot of openings, and I was a nurse, they got a new director, so it wasn't all about your dancing,

it was more about like the full package, like we want girls with careers who can also maybe dance, but also this, so it was like right time. The nurse, the cute face, all that stuff, but then you did Dancing with the Stars, how, what did you place on that? Second. Oh, wait.

I didn't know that. I know. I was the runner up. Who won? Charli D'Amelio. Oh, no. That's so, oh, no. That's not fair.

She is a good dancer. I'm not saying that with her. But kind of not fair because she has 100 million followers. I was set up for failure from the beginning. But my partner Val was like, don't think about that. We can do this. We got this. But I was like, you guys were all just gaslighting me

from the beginning, which is fine. Being a loser is better for my brand. I'm just like an underdog. Well, now you're the winner of Trader of the Mountain. You've won something. You ruined it. But I had to split it with three other people. I'm like, this is so lame.

We should have kicked Iva out, for sure. Oh, he won with you guys. Yes, and he didn't need the money. He's a royal. Oh, why didn't you? Why didn't you keep going? Because Dylan felt too close to him. And by the end.

Oh my god, that's why. I'm sorry, no. He was the, yeah. Both of them are traitors. They're both out. Yeah, literally. And then if I would have thrown red, they would have been like, oh, but I'm a traitor.

I think they would have flipped it on me because there was already stuff. Because you were close. Yes. And that girl wouldn would have been like, oh, but I'm a traitor. I think they would have flipped it on me because there was already stuff. Because you were close. Yes. And that girl wouldn't have been on your side with you, the other winner. I don't know, she was hard to read. Because she kind of was always not with the win,

so she would have just been like, whatever. I know, like, don't vote for Tom. Like, just stop voting for Tom. She's like a personal vendetta. Yeah. She's like, you out. She was wild. Do you still keep up in touch with her?

Yeah, no, she's nice. Okay. Yeah. I love that. And Dylan, you love him? Yeah. Iver. No, Iver's not on social media, thank God.

Oh. So I can talk to him freely. No email? You don't have an email to you? No email, yeah. That's crazy. He's like fine, you know? But just in the game aspect of things,

it's like he just didn't need the money. Like that's why, do you watch the other seasons with the civilians and stuff? Yeah. They're so, they need the money. Yeah, of course. So they're gonna be like extra hard. That's not fair.

Why are there, it's always like one old British person on the show. I know. But they said it's like a requirement, right? There's like a requirement. Oh, because we film in the UK. Maybe something that, that cuz I'm always like why is that person there literally? It's so weird and I just thought it was a thing cuz it kind of hit the first season But that or the second one. Oh that little old guy. Yeah with the asthma they thought he was a trainer because he had asthma

Like I talked about Ivan's heart, but I wasn't like he was a traitor. Yeah, because like he has a medical condition. It's like he has an inhaler, so he's lying. Like you think he's lying about not being able to breathe? I mean, that's what's crazy about that show, is people really do start thinking that way. They're like, absolutely you.

Do you talk to Alan Cummings at all? No, but I love him. Oh, but that's so funny because he seems close. He seems like he invites the cast over to his club. I say no to everything. Oh, so you don't go. No. He's invited you and you said no?

Yeah, to like the Club Cummings. They had like weekly watch parties. There was another panel that Carolyn screenshotted and like sent to me. She was like, girl, why weren't you on this? I'm like, I said no. Wait, why? She's like, send them my way.

Oh my god. Why are you saying no to Alan Cummings? I feel like, I said no. She's like, send them my way. Oh my god, why are you saying no to Alan Cummings? I feel like there's so many people saying no to you, but not him. No, I know, but I was out of town a lot. And like the one, they had the finale there, but I had just flown in from Portugal for the Taco Bell commercial.

Oh my gosh, so how are you getting this? Are you getting, you're talking with UTA now? Yeah. So you have an agency. Are you with UTA? I'm with CAA, yeah. Oh my God, CAA is like the best. Which they, yeah, they changed my life.

No, of course, those are like the big ones. WME, CAA, UTA. And so when did you start with them? Before Traders or after? Like after, I wanna say February. Oh, after Traders. Yeah. How'd you get on Traders?

I just, they just asked me, like. Oh, cause you did that, you were doing those pre-meetings with them? Yes. Yeah, yeah. And they had seen me on TV. Oh, and it's the same casting producer. It's the Summer Big Red Sale at Canadian Tire! Save up to 50%!

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So. Oh, is it Deanna Katz? Yes. Oh, wow. Wait, you know Deena? I followed her because I tried to DM her all the time. I'm like, can I be on Masked Singer? Can I be on any of this?

Yes. Yes, she doesn't know me. I DM her constantly. I do. No, you should. I just saw Alex D'Onoly cast for Dancing with the Stars. I was like, damn it. I was like, oh, I'm ready.

I know. No. No, don't stop. She'll be. I just keep asking. Me and Dom cast for Dancing with the Stars. I was like, damn it. I was like, oh, I'm ready. I know. No. No, don't stop. She went, no, keep going. Yes. Me, Domino, Dancing with the Stars trainer is just trying to apply the pressure. Everything, maybe you'll bring me good luck. Everything that you've already done,

I'm like, I will take all of it. Just give me one thing. It's just like the sheer audience you would bring. I mean, numbers you could be solely responsible for. Like, you would win Dancing with the Stars. Maybe that's why. Oh, because I don't think so. I think me and Alex are all probably as more full than I do.

She'll probably win. She'll be the child of the mill. Not in my book. Oh, thank you. Well, I'm glad I have an advocate. No, because I saw you, like, dancing like this. Wait. No, like, and then you did a turn, and then you jumped.

Where was I dancing? No, I have to send it. I'll repost it on my TikTok. Like recent or it's old? No, it's old, but the clip is new. So it's like they just clipped it, it's like maybe a week ago and I was like, damn, you're a good dancer. I used to be, I used to be okay, I wasn't good,

but I love dancing. No, you were good, you did like a snake on the chair. What? And then you did another look. Wait. And I'm pulling a smile back at you. I feel like this is not something that if you. No, I'll send it to you.

OK, I love that you saw it. Yeah. No, you're an actual good dancer. You had training and stuff. Yeah, for Broncos, yeah, yeah. But I wasn't as good as Charli D'Amelio. I mean, I would try and do some shit that she would do. She would do these spins on the floor on one leg.

And I'd be like, Val, I want to do that. He's like, you can't do that. Well, she also was like, what, she must've been 18 or 17. She was 18, she didn't even have all her ligaments yet. She was in this bliss, upside down, I'm like, what the, how am I supposed to compare to her? But it was fine. No, it's a hard one.

Was there romances happening on Gainsman Stars when you were on it? Was there? Not really, I had a pretty PG season. Okay, that's good, because that's what was always my concern. I had like a pretty kind of PG season. Okay, that's good. Because that's what was always my concern. I was like, there's not weirdly like not a lot of gay dancers on that show. And I was like, yeah, and they're always like hooking up with each other and leaving each other like for... It happens like Kim Johnson married her partner, Cheryl Burke ended up marrying her partner.

I was like, it's so sexual. Like ballroom dancing is like sexual tension. You never felt... you had Val? Yeah. Val is one of the brothers. Mm-hmm. Okay, so nothing with him? I was close with his wife. Oh, he's married, okay, so that's good.

Totally, and she was pregnant, and I'm like, and I was dating, or engaged to my ex at the time. Halfway through. Yes, exactly. Yeah, halfway. I'm like, halfway's a good, like, he's like, showed up. I dedicated a dance to him, and then two dances later, we broke up.

Just out with the trash. Wait, did you know you were gonna break up, or were you still in love when you dedicated the dance to him? I mean, probably knew we were gonna break up, but it was like a moment. Yeah, they wanted to see it. We kissed.

But I know with Alex Earl, I'm like, I wonder who her partner's gonna be, cause they do want the sexual tension. So I don't know if it'll be like Ezra. You know, but with me. I love Ezra, he's my babe. Same, he's the best. But probably not because they, like you said, want someone to like be with.

Who's the one, there's one guy that's always with everybody. Gleb. Gleb. So maybe him. Yeah, probably. He's always, and I'm like, what is happening on this show that it's just like they're always, I guess they're always together, so.

Because you're, so you said 16 hours for Traders, how long were you for Dancing with the Stars a day? It wasn't that it's just like, they're always, I guess they're always together, so. Cause you're. Yeah. So you said 16 hours for Traders, how long were you for Dancing with the Stars a day? It wasn't, it's just longer. So we would dance maybe like five hours a day, but like every day, five, six hours a day. Okay, so. Yeah. You would say Traders was harder

than Dancing with the Stars? Dancing with, like Traders was a month, Dancing with the Stars was three months. Oh. You know, we would go, and it's just such a physical workout that's like your mind and your body's so exhausted you can't really do anything before or after practice. That's it.

So the further I get away from Dancing with the Stars, it's like, I don't know if I could ever do it again. Yeah, I couldn't even imagine. Like that also seems, both of them seem, I wanna be on both of them, I would definitely be eliminated week one. I didn't think I could do anything. No.

Any reality show, I did like Big Brother and that one I like self eliminated after a week. I was like, I gotta go, like it's just too hard, you know? Yeah, it's, I did like Big Brother, and that one I like self-eliminated after a week. I was like, I gotta go. Like, it's just too hard, you know? Yeah, it's so hard. And Big Brother. Yeah. You're on camera all the time.

Oh, can't do it. That's the one I quit. I was like, nope, can't do it. People are like, you should do Celebrity Big Brother. I'm like, that's when you know I'm broke. If I go on Celebrity Big, you know that it's looking bad for me. Girl, I was broke when I went on there and I still quit.

And I was like, and I remember asking you my exit, I'm like, can I keep some of the money? Cause like I need part of the money and they're like, sorry, you only get like every day you stayed. It was sucked, right? I just couldn't do it. Oh my God, why couldn't you do it? It was just too much.

Yeah, I was just like overwhelmed. And like you said, like I just felt like everyone was boring. I thought I had no TV time. I'm like, let me just quit. Cause like, what am I doing here? You know what I mean? So you wouldn't do it even after seeing like Jojo on there, you wouldn felt like everyone was boring. I thought I had no TV time. I'm like, let me just quit, because what am I doing here, you know what I mean? So you want to do it even after seeing JoJo on there. You want to be like.

Girl. Are you actually? Oh, I don't know. Especially not after JoJo. Are you not? What? Well she kind of had a redemption arc. Like people liked it.

Oh no, no, no, no. It's like, okay. Because for me, I was like, well I see more of her personality. Yeah. I mean, I have a take, I think, because I watched Chris on his original season of Love Island.

Oh, wow. Love Island. So you knew him. Yes, and I loved the girl that he left with, whatever, his girlfriend. She was amazing, and I'm like, she was so funny, so witty, so mature, so smart, hot as hell, and then seeing, this was like 10 years ago.

Oh my gosh, I didn't know anything about him. So seeing him in that light, and then with JoJo Siwa, which there's a huge age gap, I mean, I just think he's like. Wait, what's the age gap? Well, how old is she? It's 10 years? Oh, do we not know, I didn't know this part. 22, 32.

Oh! Oh, that's a little. And big when they're that young. Like when you're older, it's like not a big deal, but that's like, so good. Yeah, and she feels young, And big when they're that young. Like when you're older, it's like not a big deal, but that's like. Yeah, and she feels young, you know? Very much that. She's obviously still exploring herself,

so it's like weird to like get into this. Because you see there's photos of them kissing. Like, it's like crazy. So it's like, it looks relationship, they're kissing on the mouth. Right, it's crazy, it's wild. I know, I just can't see it. After seeing him like with this other girl,

and then with JoJo, who is a lesbian, she feels like a kid still. She doesn't feel like she's matured. So it's like, how can you go from that to this? It is wild. What do you think it is? You think it's clout? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Because he's so desperate. He has a face full of filler. It's like, oh yeah. I haven't followed him for so long. I love that you know all this stuff about him. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. That's why I was so into it. I'm like, no, he's've been following him for so long. I love that you know all this stuff about him. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's why I was so into it. I'm like, no, he's even watching the clips on social media, which I know it's kind of hard to get the full context. But I'm like, this feels creepy. Yeah. No, I felt that way, yeah, watching it and seeing it. Like, it felt like you were at work,

and Darren was coming up behind you giving you a massage. Oh, that's the worst. And you're like, I'm sending you to HR. Yeah. I mean, this is like, this is in our training. This is, yeah, sexual harassment. And I feel sending you to HR. And this is in our training, this is sexual harassment. And I feel like you said, because she is, I'm for JoJo, she doesn't like me,

she's had a van from her podcast, but I like her and I am very much. It's unrequited. Yeah. I love her actually and I'm just very much like, she's stunted, of course she had a lot of, she's a child star, she's like, there's a lot of stuff, so she's obviously stunted. I just see all these people come like take advantage of her and yeah her and then specifically this guy

I didn't know anything about him, but just watching those clips I'm like, I feel like he's like using her even after math of it So like using right her and not trying not to infatualize or like saying she's dumb or whatever But I just think it's like there's a little little sus I just hope she takes it slow if it is a relationship of my girl and take us slow because it's one really Yeah to the next and it's like, there's a little, a little sus. I just hope she takes it slow. If it is a relationship with my girl, I'll take it slow. Cause it's one relationship into the next and it's like scary to watch. No, yeah, totally.

And she was in a lesbian relationship and now it's straight and it's like with an older guy. Like it's very different. Not saying it's right or wrong. Like she can explore her sexuality and same, it's not personal with her. I think he's the one at fault. Yeah, of course.

That she needs to be careful of. And he knows that she just got out of a relationship or was in one when he met her. So it's just like, take it slow, dude. Like, you're the older one. Like, you need to put the brakes on it for a little while. Totally. Like, yum.

Maybe she'll be on The Bachelor. That'd be great. How come bachelors don't do that? Like, they don't have both sexes on there? Because I think their audience is just so, like, conservative. Wow, really? Because every other show, like like Ultimatum did one. I think Ultimatum did like all lesbian one.

Yeah. Like it is weird they don't do that. I know. It would be kind of messy. Plus it's like, I do think it's kind of hard to find like lesbians that want to go on TV. Really? Maybe not.

Like, not this one. I'll tell you that much. You can be the casting prison for it. Go to that bar, South Tropica, like just get the whole, what was it called? South Tropica. South Tropica. What was it called?

Semi-tropic. Oh, semi-tropic. But close, but close. Like, you remember Shot at Love with Tila Tequila? Yes. I loved that show. Well, cause she was bi, right? She was bi, so there was both girls and guys competing,

but I feel like that's just so much more realistic these days. So if JoJo went on there, then you can kind of decide who you want to be with. Yeah, true. Maybe they'll try it with her. They need to try something, because they're going up in flames. I was trying to get my mom on it.

I reached out to the casting people, because I sent a tape for her. She's trying to get on the new Golden Bachelor, because he's a football player, Mel Owens. Oh, OK. Yeah. They also film right down the street here. Right?

Did you guys film this? Yes, yes. I always see them at the the Bachelors and I was like, oh, did you say there was a Bachelorette? Yeah, uh-huh. Love that hotel. And I've seen them filming sometimes and I'm always just like,

I just wanna be on the background of it. We're new to Bachelor Nation. We started with, who's Zach? I don't know which one he was. Oh yeah, that was right after me. Oh, was it? Did you know him? Yeah, I think. He was on, was he? Not your season. Oh yeah, that was right after me. Oh, was it? Did you know him? Yeah, I think.

He was on, was he? Not your season. Oh yeah, no, he was on my season. See, I already forgot. No, I forgot. That was? Yes. You eliminated him?

No, Rachel did, because there was two of us. So she, yeah. Yeah. What did you think of him? I kind of loved him. One time I ran into somebody who was on my season at The Bachelor at JFK. I had just landed like whatever from LAX

and he was like, Gabby? And I was like, hey, I thought it was a travel nurse I used to work with. You're like, you look familiar. It looks exactly the same. It's like, there's not a lot of dude nurses. I'm like, you must be this travel nurse. And it was the guy on our season.

Oh my gosh, you didn't remember? I had no idea. Did you kiss him? No, not in the season and it was the guy on our season. Oh my gosh, you didn't remember? I had no idea. Did you kiss him? No, no, not in the season and not at the airport. Did you kiss the airport? Well, that's when I kiss everyone, which I love. I mean, I love it, I'm not knocking it, but they really do be kissing everybody on the show.

Did you kiss people on the first night too? Yeah, I kissed my then fiance. Oh, so you knew. Yeah, from the big, Zach, did you kiss? No. I loved him so much. Did you so you knew. Yeah. Yeah. Zach, did you kiss? No. I loved him so much. Did you?

I did love him. He was so boring, but like. He was so boring, yeah. He feels vanilla. He's really sweet though. Yeah. He's just kind of like a sweet dummy. You know what I mean?

I love that. I thought it was cute. Just like a little teddy bear and then charity. So we started watching it like later on, but then. Okay. But now we're watching back like all the, like your season and all the, Jesse's season. Jesse was messy. How did he get to be the host? He had like such a messy season. I was like, he forgot a girl's name.

He picked the wrong girl. I was like, what? And now you're the host? So weird, but anyways. No, literally. He was your host, Jesse? Yeah. Okay, so he didn't have the weird one.

Who was the one that got fired for being? Chris Harrison. Oh yeah. Yeah. He was like inappropriate with someone, right? It was like, it was like race stuff. Oh, okay. He didn't date someone?

I thought he dated a contestant. He's always dating younger people too. Okay, so yeah, but that's not the reason that he got fired. Oh, okay, he didn't date someone? I thought he dated a contestant. He's always dating younger people too. Yeah, but that's not the reason that he got fired. Oh, okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. I don't know much about this, so are you still connected to Bachelor at all? Do you come back for any of the seasons?

Not really, I mean, I'm like, there's no bad blood. I'll never really talk about him. Like, obviously I talk shit with the dudes, but not even as much as I could. And I always like own it, people talk shit on production and I'm like whatever, I gaslit myself, I knew what I was getting into. It doesn't take that much to be manipulated.

And you're going on TV so it's fine. So it's like cordial. Especially in the intensity, yeah. You're just in it and you're like I have to win, I have to win the love. Right, yes, it's inherent when there's a competition. You're like if everybody, if all of these gorgeous girls can like this dude, so can I, who am I when there's a competition. You're like, if everybody, if all of these gorgeous girls can like this dude, so can I.

Yeah. Who am I? It's so crazy. And they're just regular dudes, like that one Joey, I was like, he's just like this regular guy and all these girls are like, I love you. I was like, I know, I love it. Right, yeah.

This is kind of crazy. So now with like your podcast now, you're doing like social media, Long Winded, So Good, even your viral TikToks, like do you do them, do you script them being like, this is gonna go viral, or do you really just say what comes to your head that day? With my podcasts, I'll think of takes or points, maybe three or four, to get me through the hour, and then just see what comes out when I sit down.

And for my TikToks, yeah, I'll like whatever, kind of think of a take, whatever's happening, and then sometimes I'll have to get it out once and then like re-film, cause you know, I take forever. To like really make a thought or like talk about it. So I'll do another one to like succinctly wrap it up. Okay, so when you're thinking of like business hours, the one that went viral,

that's just like something you thought of and you're like, I gotta write this down. It's like immediate, almost like a bit. Yeah, I mean, I've been saying it for years. It's like so real. I'm like, do not text me after 5 p.m. then it was five, now it's three. I love that.

Lunch hours. Literally, after lunch I'm tired. There's science behind it. I agree with you 100%. Even you said you like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays, you don't do Mondays or Fridays and today is a Friday. And I was like, but I understand what you're saying because I'm the exact same way.

Like you need that Monday to recover and then Friday's the weekend. Like with Zooms and understand what you're saying because I'm the exact same way. Like you need that Monday to recover and then Friday's the weekend, so. Like with Zooms and stuff that you're always doing, it's like, I'm not doing it on a Monday. That's wild to do. Which is, that's why I think your takes are so good and they go so viral, so I'm just like, it's kind of amazing.

I love the whole social media. And your podcast is amazing. Is that your house? Thank you, yeah. I love the vibe. I love the way you light it too. The one like yesterday, it looks very like vintage or something like that.

The 70s house and it's so, and the one yesterday you had like your sexy bikini picture behind. I know, I'm like should I, I have three of them. Oh, you should hang them. Should I though? Or is it too much, I, cause I lost my Traders poster. I'm like is it too much me? No.

But yours isn't on the set though. It is behind him. Oscar's sitting there, it's behind him and then Moses is behind him because we have cameras on them usually, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Then I'm like, maybe I should.

Because it's too much yellow by itself so I need something to break it up. And it gives that same vibe. It gives that retro vibe. Yeah, okay, yours is good. The waterloo next to you. We have our Jennifer Coolidge here next to you because you give off Jennifer Coolidge, Jennifer Tilly.

Oh my god, thank you. Which I'm sure you hear that probably all the time. Yeah, but I love it. Have you met either of them? No. Do you style yourself after them or it's just your voice? It's just my voice. When people started saying it with Jennifer Coolidge, yeah.

And it's just natural. I think Jennifer Tilly too. It's just my voice. It sounds so, and when people say that, I can't un-hear it now. And I was just like, oh my god, it's so crazy. And then, mm-hmm, I think Jennifer Tilly too. It's just my voice. It sounds so, and when people say that, I can't un-hear it now, and I was just like, oh my God, it's so crazy. Yeah. But then when you do your TikToks, you're up close.

You have no makeup. You're just like, what do you mean? Like it's just like more different. People are like, huh? And it's like, yeah. That's what I saw when I was like, oh my God, you look like a little Barbie. I'm so used to just like your face so close up.

No, it's so bad, but now I'm glad people are used to it because it's like I'm not gonna put on makeup for TikTok. Oh, yeah, same. And all my audience is gay. Yeah. So they're not looking at how I look. Thank God. 40 to 55 year olds do, so they have like cataracts.

Yeah. Yeah, they're fighting glaucoma. Wait, that's so interesting. Do you think it's mostly gay men that follow you or do you think it's like lesbians? It's mostly, I think it's like it used to be 90% women and 10% men, but now it's like 70%, probably 30%, 80, 20, and I'm sure they're all gay men.

Oh, I love it. But then it's like the best, it is wonderful. Yeah. I love a gay man audience. Because it's like, we talk men, but it's like, it's straight men, you know, but not Moses. Yeah.

So like gays, no. Yeah, because he's not straight. Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, he's fluid. No, but that's the thing, is gay men also do it. They're like, they don't, that's why it's so crazy, because you don't want to be attracted to men, you know what I mean?

No, and the worst thing ever for them too. I feel terrible. Yeah. It's like, this is what happened to you. Like this is the life you have to live. I don't know how you do it. No, it is awful. So I think they understand, they can relate. They're like, no, men ain't shit, you know what I mean? Because it can be like the worst, it is. It is awful. So I think they understand they can relate.

They're like, no, men ain't shit. You know what I mean? Because it can be the worst. But it's great. And now with Pride coming up, are you doing any events? I'm working all of June. Oh, you're doing a TV show? What are you doing?

You can't say? I don't know if I can say. OK. Is it a show? Yes. Oh my god. Are you so excited? I'm exhausted.

Already? Yes. I'm tired thinking about it. Have you prepped for it? You know I said no at first. Oh, yeah, my team had to talk me into it. I'm like, it's way too soon. I just spent like a year and a half since Traders.

I can't spend another June away. When am I ever going to have a summer? I'm not ready to get back out there, but again, you don't know when you're ever gonna have these opportunities. The industry changes so much. So here I am, I'm going. Oh my god. So you're going somewhere.

Oh yeah. So I'll be gone all of June. So I know I can't do the pride thing. But it's like I'm gay. I'm pride 12 months out of the year. Not just one. Oh my god. So how are you going to see you and Robbie?

How are you guys going to work it out? Is she coming with you? She's going to meet me, I think, for like a week at the end. And we're going to have a vacation. Yeah, but it's really hard for us. I can't even imagine having to be away for that long. I would go insane. It's terrible.

Because I just like, and she's been moving all of her shows so we spent the last like three four nights together just having dinner staying in and it's the happiest I've ever been. Biggest cooking or eating out or? We cook we do both yeah yeah. Do you cook or she cooks? Um I like to cook but she's like kind of picky more particular okay so she has like three things that she cooks that are really good. What is the meals? She cooks steak and kale salad. OK, I love the steak. I don't like salad that much. No, the kale is like she'll make such a big one

and I'll have a tiny portion. I'm like, you didn't massage this right. Oh, the kale? What's the answer? What? OK. I'm like, get in there. It's too crunchy.

Oh, yeah, kale's not my thing. I've never tried it, but it sounds awful. No, it's terrible. It's bitter. But that and she makes, it's called a poor man's stew. It's like ground beef, potatoes. She likes like hearty things. OK.

She grew up, her mom cooked every meal. And so it's like, it all makes sense. There's a meat, a potato, and a vegetable. So there's like broccoli, carrots, potatoes, and ground beef. And then a soup. Yeah, it's a good soup. And then I forget the third thing.

You just had three dinners together. I know. I forgot it. And it was up to you. If you're solo, what are you eating? I make a good taco salad. OK. Yes.

That's like, why salad? It's like not the crunchy part. There's no taco to it. There's chips. OK. Yeah, so I eat it on the side with chips. And there's just a little bit of Romaine lettuce just for kind of crunch.

It's a New York Times recipe. It's so good. The way the meat's seasoned. So I'll make that and spicy riggy, spicy rigatoni. I have a really good recipe. Where'd you get that one from? Because that's my fave. Really?

It's with gochujang. What's that? What's gochujang? Gotcha. Yeah, no. What's that? What's gochujang? Gotcha. Yeah, no. It's... It's like, what is that? No, it's a Korean spice.

It's a real thing. I think. I don't know. Okay. But it's really good. It's spicy. And you do like heavy cream and Parmesan and like rigatoni. It hits every time.

Yum. No, pasta's my favorite, favorite. I love it so much. We should do a painting show. Well maybe that's what you're doing. I don't know, I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you, oh my god. Thank you.

So you already have like your summer booked. Yeah. Would you ever do like, like what's your ultimate dream? You wanna be famous as a kid? Were you like, I wanna be an actress in a movie or like? Yeah, I wanna like do scripted stuff now. Cause there's more longevity in it. Before it's like now, me, I'm like coming off the bachelor.

I'm gonna be an actress. Well, girl, you're killing it in three, four years after the bachelor, you're everywhere. You're doing Domino's sponsorship. You're doing way more than I did. Domino's, Domino's to movies, to starring in a movie. Yes, so real. I've been 19 years and I can't get a Domino's sponsorship.

You're doing everything I ever wanted. Come on. If you're listening, this is crazy. No, Domino's. I mean, I'll say it that way. Yeah, Domino's. You're driving their sales. I love it.

I'll eat one tonight. I love it. And scripted, because that is so different. But would you ever act with your wife? Maybe if it was on our terms. We have so many people now, especially because she just sold the show, and she's more on the writing and she's going to be acting in the show,

like she'll be the star. That they're like, we have an idea for you and Gabby, whatever. But she creates shows. So why wouldn't it be our project? Create something for you guys. Yeah. So it's like, we'll do it on our own terms.

But she's so busy with her stuff. I'm so busy with my stuff. So maybe in 10 years, I can't wait to be like 45 or 50 like an old lesbian Oh my god, like break in that's gonna be where it's at. I was gonna hit my stride in the 40s You know what I mean? Desperate housewife style But you guys could be like the first lesbian couple on like white lotus or something You know what I mean, which is like very up your alley because she's already at max You know what I mean?

Yeah, would you ever do it? Cause I saw it was a bustle. One of those named you as like the third person they want to see on like white loads. There's like Brenda song, like someone else. And then like you, would you ever? 100%. You would be so good on that

because you are like a good actress. When you like look at yourself on like trainers and stuff, like you are even your TikToks. I mean, obviously you're just like funny, but you are like good at acting too, which is like a character. Totally. And like if it's, they're like, what are you interested in?

I'm like, well, I'm not gonna do dramas. Like it has to be for me. I can see you. Right, I can see you do drama. If there was soap operas, I would love to do a soap opera and I wanna do a scary movie. Oh my God, you would be so good at it.

Soap operas are crazy because they shoot like 10 scenes a day like 5 a.m. to like 3 p.m., like crazy. Whoa, that's crazy. I feel like you'd be so good at it a day, like 5 AM to like 3 PM, like crazy. Whoa, that's crazy. I feel like you'd be so good at it. It's like the drama. It's the campy drama. Campy drama.

And then horror films too. Yeah, that's like where we'd be at. I feel like that's. Yes. What do you want to do? All of it too? Yeah, you can't. No.

You can't. My expectations are lowered these days. But you've done all of it. Like, I was listening to you. You've been on shows, you said, when you were like 18. What, like an extra? You know, like I was like walking in the background of Modern Family.

No! I haven't acted. That's crazy. Oh my god, I thought you did. I told Robbie. I went to multiple shows when she moved to LA. Oh my god, that's probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever heard for myself.

No. Robbie Hoffman was like literally starring in 20 shows right now. She's like, OK. Did you tell her you were coming here? Yeah, she's so excited for me. OK, because I was watching you guys yesterday, and I was just like, wow, they are just so entertaining. I love that you guys talk on top of each other, too.

You never stop. You can't get a word in with her, so I have to. And you both keep talking, and I love it. It would be like three minutes of the podcast just talking over each other. People, like the first time it happened, they were like, this is way too much. You gotta turn your mics down.

But now I think they know us and they're like, we're gonna set this as our ringtone. It's like the best thing in the whole wide world. It's so, like just your guys' chemistry, everything about it is like so beautiful. Thank you. And it's so cool. And when we saw.

I feel the same about you and Moses. Like you guys. I don't know if we're quite the same. No, but you guys are such a good couple. Like Moses, I feel like, is so supportive and just like loves you so much. I know. It's such like a good relationship story.

Thank you. I love it. I'm with you though. You said you don't love when you guys are doing podcasts together. Yeah. I feel that way with a couple podcasts in general. So obviously he's like on Hot Topics with us and stuff like that. But it's so funny,

podcast Moses is different than real life Moses. I'm always like, what are you talking about? Like this is like so, so that's why I'm with you on that one. No, I sense that a little bit. But he'll say stuff and I'm like, where does that come from? I'm like, I. You're like, can you verify? Yeah, and people think I like hate him on the podcast.

But I'm like, I swear he's not like this. So it is very different. No, it's good. You have to also come in with your takes like you guys all have good takes Well, I don't know if I have a great takes but you have great But you're you don't really gossip on your podcast yours is just more like sometimes I gossip It's interesting people get mad at you for saying like not that crazy of takes. It's like people. Yes They got I mean i've said some crazy Before i've talked like not maybe gossip

But I've definitely talked people and have had some My god, could you imagine her being on there kind of you know the next season? I did hear Jojo see what was gonna be on the next season really have you heard anybody I heard Travis Kelsey's mom That's why oh my god why okay, no can you believe I will be kind of upset That's what? Oh my God, why? Okay. No, can you believe I will be kind of upset? Yeah.

Right, cause why is she on TV? Like why do they want to be famous so bad? Can I say, I thought that with, when they announced Zac Efron's brother, I was like, what? But for me, they're gonna put on Zac Efron's brother, but then I was like, okay, he kind of ate. So maybe she will, maybe she'll like serve down.

I don't think so. I agree with you. Yeah, I just don't, I don't think her and Dylan Efron are the same visually. Right, maybe it was like Travis Kelsey. Yeah, that's a good point, that's the T right there. Yeah, I feel like maybe it was like Travis Kelsey's brother or something, that would be like cooler.

Okay, that's interesting. I know. I wonder if that would work, I don't know. Yeah, so we'll see. I'm excited, are you gonna watch the next season? I don't really like watch the shows that I've been on. I don't like. Yeah, so we'll see. I'm excited. Are you gonna watch the next season? I don't really like watch the shows that I've been on. I don't like going back there. Did you not watch yours?

I did, yeah, yeah. But then it's like, I wanna leave on a high note. Yeah, yeah, you wanna go back. Yeah, I don't need that. Oh my gosh, well now you're gonna do scripted, you're gonna go on to bigger. Hopefully, I'm not doing scripted yet. But that's like in the future.

Yeah, okay, so we already have hints for the next one. It might be reality. You gotta get some wood around here. I don't know, I don't know. We're superstitious. We're superstitious. You're like, not that good. Yeah, well you're thriving,

you're literally doing another show, and you're married, and I think that's like, I mean, where can you go from there? You can only stay at the top, really. Thank you so much. And thank you for having me. This is literally a dream come true. Oh my God, I feel like I'm in a dream.

I feel like, when I saw you come in, I was just like, oh my God, because we've been talking about you for so long on the podcast No, when I heard the first clip that you said my name I was literally on my way to make a coffee and like I could feel I started to like levitate Like my feet were leaving my floor the floor and then my toes I'm like I could not tell the difference of like that clip versus if my coffee was like laced That's what I it with NAD. I have a natural NAD for you.

Yes, shove me up your nose. Shove me up my receptors. I'm like, oh my god, you cannot tell me where to go. I feel the same way when I saw you, like I said, I'm sorry, long-winded when I saw you with the brick episode, but then when I saw with the traders, I was just like, I'm obsessed with this girl

in every single way. Everyone fell in love with you. You are the girl's girl, and it's very rare these days because people say they are, but then I'm like, are you really? I'm obsessed with this girl in every single way. Everyone fell in love with you. You are the girl's girl and it's very rare these days because people say they are but then I'm like, are you really? I'm a lesbian. So I'm like, literally. Yeah, you're literally a girl's girl.

Yeah. You guys, check out Gabby Everywhere, long winded, Traders, new show, White Lotus season four. I'm excited to see all of it. Please. And thanks so much for coming. And TikTok, check out the viral TikToks. They're so good. Please. All the hot takes. Please. And thanks so much for coming. And TikTok, check out our TikToks. They're so good.

Please. All the hot takes. Yes. And thanks Gabby for being here. We'll see you guys soon. Yay! Thank you.