Just Trish - Just Trish Episode for Sep 15, 2026

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

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Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. He's just very understanding, and so then you get drunk and you kiss him. And don't do it. Okay. Don't do it.

I'll know that when I go slowly. Please don't. It was the biggest regret of my life, like honestly. Yes, but I left him. and then he found out I was doing Call Her Daddy. Actually, this is something no one knows. I'll give you guys a little nugget. I love my sister.

You guys, welcome to the Jess Trish podcast. Oh my gosh. We have the guest of all guests here. We have just the bombshell of Season 5, Secret Lives and Mormon Rives. Jesse. Hi. So excited to be here. Welcome.

We've just been chatting before, so I just feel like we're all friends now. This is great. Same. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. You literally are here for like two days and you're like squeezing a bunch, but a bunch, but a couple podcasts

you squeezed our sins. You're my first. So, my dream guest. We talk about you all the time. Yes. We've been talking about you as like our dream guest for months actually. Even before call her daddy, I was like, we need to get to, and then you guys,

we need her. No, when you, you messaged me and you were like, I need you on and I was like, is this happening? Like I was like, are you kidding me? But then you went and then you did the call her daddy and then just blew up so big and we're just like, we're never gonna get her.

So I'm so excited we got you. I always. Anytime you need me. me please like call me yeah I was like I'm coming up to Utah soon and I'm like I'm literally gonna come get my hair done at no please come visit me when you come like seriously are you working in that salon still not really it is so hard like you know being a working mom like it is hard but also in my career now I've progressed to the point where my business it's been 10 years now I'm more behind the scenes like running things and like the operations rather than taking clients but I still

do like some of the girls and like friends and family for fun yeah but now when I do hair it's fun so I love that because I'm like, this is just like a hobby now. Yeah, you get to like go away. And your mom works there. Yes, my mom does hair full time. She is like hustling. She's, so she's there. So if you go into this lawn, you're going to see. You'll see my mom. Mama styles. She's like the first station by the window. Like she loves it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love time. I know. People sometimes don't realize that's my mom.

Like it's funny. You guys kind of look identical. And for a minute I was like, it's just Jesse. It's just like you guys look big. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. Very much alike.

Yeah, we do. Oh my gosh. Okay, so the new season just aired. Yeah. Season five, how are you feeling? I'm like, did it? Like, I think Hulu actually, like, don't watch that. Just kidding.

Do you watch it? But, like, it's embarrassing. Do you watch it? Yes, I do. For me, like, I know some of, like, the girls on my cast are, like, I don't watch what we do. And I'm like, for me, I put so much time and effort into this. I want to see how it comes together.

And then when you do press, you need to know how it comes together. So I do watch it. And I always have like little watch parties with my friends and family, which is fun. They're super supportive. But yeah, this season was different. Like, it was embarrassing. It was dark. It was heavy.

Like, let's just call it what it is. And it was only five episodes. So it feels a little different than past seasons. But it's our real lives. And I'm grateful that people are interested. But it was a different season. So when you're watching it, because obviously you lived through it. Yeah.

when you're watching it, does it bring you back? Or can you look at it through a different lens? Like, it wasn't that serious? Or is like, oh, it was more serious than I thought? Okay, so this is the weirdest thing about doing reality TV. Is filming it is such a different experience than watching it back? Because I watch it back. We were just talking about this with, like, your book.

I'm like, do you have imposter syndrome? Like, do you think people will want to read your life? Because I watch our show back and I'm like, why does anyone care? Like, for me, this is our friend group. This is our normal life. And I'm like, do people really care what we do? And then people are so obsessed and they watch it. And I'm like, wait, really?

Like, I can't watch it because I'm so biased, you know? And I know the behind the scenes of like, oh, that scene was three hours long. And then obviously for TV, it has to be cut down. So I can't watch it without knowing everything that happened. And so for me, it's really hard to watch being like, wait, that was cut out and that was cut out. And yeah. But are you, you're executive producers on this season? So you do you get a final say, like, wait a minute, like leave that in or?

No, we don't get to see anything. We get to see it sometimes a few days early. But we don't get a say in the edit. But I will say our production is so great. and like Hulu as well, about like if something, like let's say I filmed something that I then felt really weird about. I could go to them and be like, hey guys, can we like maybe talk about this? And I know they would work with us.

Oh, wow. So I feel like we have such a good relationship with them that they would respect that, especially as EPs for sure. Right. So no one is surprised when they see these fights on TV. You're like, oh, yeah, we did film that. We know that's going out there. Oh, for sure.

Like we all knew the house forming party was going to be explosive, the street fight. We all knew those scenes were going to make it, for sure. Those two, those two specifically, you're kind of at the epicenter, which is kind of crazy. Yeah. You're kind of like in the best way, like at the center of the mess, you know? And what's to come? The foreshadowing, right? Because in between February to like even March, even with you, with collar day.

My life changed. 180. Yes. Well, I keep saying how ironic is it that the five months cameras were down are the five months the most that has ever happened happened in all of our lives. Like, it was crazy. So we didn't feel like we got a break because our lives were so crazy. So you, okay, so that's what happened.

So season four comes, that's when you did The Call Our Daddy. Is it the start of season four, when it premiered? Oh, yes, you're right. So, okay, you wanna know something crazy. So season four aired March 12th. I left Jordan March 13th. And that was not intentional. It just happened.

And so- Filed first. Yes, but I left him. And then he found out I was doing Call Her Daddy. Actually, this is something no one knows. I'll give you guys a little nugget. So he did not know I was doing Call Her Daddy. And I went to do it.

He found out, so he filed to get the news out there before I broke it on Call Her Daddy. And so I found out through TMZ that he filed. I got a text from them. And I was like, oh, they're like, you're filed for divorce. And I was like, what? Because I was going to file. And I was like, damn. And then I just recently found out that I was recording Call Her Daddy.

And he was behind the scenes trying to get the address of the studio to serve me with a restraining order while I was recording. Oh, my God. It didn't happen, luckily. But I just found that out recently. And I was like, damn, that would have been an explosive. Oh. Oh my god. That like gives me chills and scares me.

It was pretty wild. Because how long were you guys married? It was about six years. Yeah. Actually, our wedding anniversary was March 16th. So I left him three days before our six year anniversary. Oh my gosh. Bittersweet.

Were you, obviously you were going to leave him, but were you shocked by that course of action? It's like call our daddy file. Oh my gosh. Like this is how you know that the universe is like a thing. Like it's crazy. So I was actually while we were filing for divorce. I was looking through all my old paperwork.

So I left him on March 13th. The day we signed our pre-up in 2020, it was March 13th. So, like, isn't that weird? Oh, my God, that is. Yeah. So it's eerie because I'm like, everything happened the way it was supposed to for a reason. Our anniversary is March 16th. The show came out March 12th.

Like, I, when I tell you, like, that was not planned. I can't believe it all happened that way. I got call her daddy within a week. I did not think that was going to happen. Like, I was shocked. And, you know, looking back, I'm like, you know, obviously he wasn't super happy. I did call her daddy. and I feel bad to an extent, but at the same time, I wanted to share my truth.

And we also agreed to share our lives with the audience. So, like, I had to, people were going to be curious, and it was my time to speak. Yeah, I feel even today coming here, because we were like, I don't know if she's going to want to talk about this stuff. And you're like, no, I need to, like, say my piece about this stuff, which I think is, like, really admirable. And I think that's what people like about all of you guys, really, is just like the authenticity because a lot of people will do reality shows and then be like, we need privacy. And it's like, well, we need some answer. And you're like, you have bathroom cameras. You have cameras in your house.

Like, and you need privacy now? Come on. No, and I do appreciate that because people are so invested. Specifically in the women of the show, obviously. Yeah. Obviously, we saw Dad Talk trying to happen in season four. And that didn't happen. Yeah.

And now we don't see Jordan at all in season. Is that whose choice was that? Was it executive producer choices? I think it was a little bit of both, to be honest. Like, we all saw the comments. Like, everyone involved in Secret Lives. We actually do value what the audience says. So the fact that everyone's like less Dad Talk.

We were like, okay. But also, so much happened in season five. And we only have five episodes. It was almost like there was no time for anything else. But also, like me and Jordan did go into season five intentionally being like we're working on our marriage. Seasons three and four were heavy for our marriage. So let's try to, like, not expose what we're going through right now because clearly we

were on the brink of divorce. And so it was a conscious decision for both of us to be like, we're not going to share anything about our marriage this season because we don't know where it's going to end up. So I think it was like a combination of both of those. Yeah, to see. So when you were filming, you weren't prepared to leave yet. You weren't like, we're late.

No, I knew it was going to happen eventually. Like, I could feel it. It was coming. But, like, it wasn't, like, a discussion where we were like, okay, we're getting divorced soon. Like, when I left him, I think he was like, oh.

But, like, we both knew it was coming. Yeah. It was just a matter of when. You can kind of see in your conversations together, too, this past season. It's almost seemed like coworkers. Like, here we are. We have to film together.

But, like, there was no spark or anything. I feel like you had more of a spark finding out that Chase thought you were hot. Oh, my God. Last I know. Let's talk about that, right? Oh, it's so embarrassing. The shady edit up the captions right there, too.

Okay, give the editors a raise. Like, I know that was at my expense, but it was so funny when I saw it. Yeah, I mean, it was funny. You have to have humor. Like, I have to be self-deprecating about this because what an idiot. Like, I get the biggest loser award this season for like... Well, I don't know if you get the biggest loser. No.

There's a couple. There's a couple of. There's a couple of. There's self-awareness. And also the accountability. We were talking about that earlier, too. It was like, there's people who are self-aware, but just are like, I'm just a piece of shit.

As opposed to you're self-aware and you're like, let me figure out how to change this. I'm trying. Yeah, like I'm self-aware and I'm trying to be better but like, let's be honest, we're all on reality TV

because we're messy. So like, we're trying to work through it and heal, but it takes a while. Also real, I think the majority of you is people just relate T-ways because obviously that's, you know, everyone is messy in real life and stuff like that, which is crazy.

So yeah, that scene where they show it's Chase and Marciano. Yeah. And they're like, Jesse's, like, what did it say? There's like, future makeup buddy. And then like, future makeup. friends with benefits, which when we watch it, he's like, I'm your boyfriend, not future friends

with benefits, which is crazy. Is he? No, no, he's out there. He's out there. Oh, my God. I know. Last minute, they were like, because we had a list of people coming in there, like Marciano, and I was like, oh, I saw very hand. Well, I saw you first and I was like, oh my God, you are so tiny. Oh, tea. You're like abs. I was like, oh, my God, you look like a fitness trainer. Gorgeous. Like, it's just, I don't eat some stress. It's working. It's glowing everywhere. And then I saw Marcia. He is huge in bronze. And you're just like, Wow, you both are just very beautiful humans, which is so wild. Would you, so you're not scared of marriage.

Would you ever get married again? Okay, so I keep telling him and like also like watch this play back in a year and I'm like married. But like I'm divorced twice now. So like I'm a little traumatized by the legal aspect of it. So I keep telling him, I'm like if we get married, like we can have a party. We can have a wedding. Like I'll have a ring. We can do the whole thing.

I don't know if I want to legally get married though because I've been married twice now. And like I love the idea of marriage. but with everything I have to lose, like, I'm scared. So I don't know. Like, I'm obviously fresh off divorce that could change. But as of right now, I'm like, I'll do a legal partnership. We can be married, but like I'm scared to make it official. Official, yeah, because you did you did a pre-nup with Jordan.

I did do a pre-up with both of my marriage. Well, actually, sorry. No, I didn't. My first one, I didn't have one. And that sucked. Second one, I did. But, like, still, I have so much to lose. And with, like, how my businesses have grown.

Like, even if you have a pre-up, you still end up having to, like, sacrifice a little bit. something. Yeah. Were you happy with your last divorce? My first or second? The second, yeah. Okay. You were scared to lose stuff. I was scared. Are you good? Are you in the clear? So you know what's funny is I actually, we just recently, like as in a few days ago, finalized everything. And we are going to be officially divorced within a week or two, which was a lot quicker than I was anticipating. And I am happy with what we ended on. I think we both feel good about it. And it has been very contentious. Like I'm not going to lie. It's been up and down. You may see more of that play out in the future, but it's been hard for me. And I feel like now we kind of agreed to like, okay, let's

put our egos aside. Let's finish this and be better for our kids. So I'm like actually really hoping now we can have like a really peaceful co-parenting relationship. So like let's hope. And people want to see that, I think too. I do. Yeah. Like, you know, good to come for you. So, okay. I like that you're hopeless romantic that you like ended one and you're like, I'm going into the next. Which I think it's great. I know. I think it's like love is like, you just got to go for it. I am a lover girl. I feel. Yeah. You thrive in partnership. Yes, I do. Yeah, like, and your mom likes him. Yeah, my family loves him, which is shocking because when I first started dating him,

me and my mom got into yelling matches over it, like screaming. Like me and my sisters were fighting. My mom, they were like, what are you doing? He lied about you and this is crazy. And obviously I understood that, but I was like, please just get to know him. And they did, and they are now telling me, like, don't break his heart. Like, they love him. Oh, my God.

I guess something says sweetie because he's a sweetie boy. In this season, though, like we see you so, like I don't even want him around. I know. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah, yeah. What was the switch where it was like, actually, I want to be with them all the time. I know. And now I'm, like, obsessed with him.

Oh, yeah, this season, yeah, you've wanted nothing to do with him. What was the switch? I'm so glad I'm getting a chance to talk about this because watching it back, what I've realized is at that time, I was trying to work on my marriage. I was trying to prove my loyalty and, like, make Jordan happy. And so at the time when Chase was bringing Marciana around, that obviously was such a big trigger in my marriage. So I was really trying to, like, defend my ex-husband and be like, no, this is bad for

us, like, kind of show my ex that, like, I'm fighting for us, right? And I also knew that, like, if I didn't do that and this trigger was around, I was going to hear about it at home. Like, I had to do that. And so I think I overcompensated and went really hard because I was trying so hard to make my marriage work. And it obviously wasn't. So I think it was a lot of projection. And then ended up the way it did. But I just think that I was really trying. And then it, it was inevitable that it ended. So is any of that, like, is that all real, like Chase and him being friends. Is that all real? So it's not like they're doing that to like instigate something. No, I think that Chase actually really enjoyed Marciano when he had met him. Like they went to

the villa together last year on Vanderpump and not now like talking to Chase. He's like, I love Marciano. Like I just liked being around him. Like so I think that's really just what it was. Oh my. Okay. And Chase. Yeah. What's up with Chase? How come everyone, everyone is obsessed with Chase on the show. I don't know about the audience. I know. On the show is very. Okay, here's the thing about Chase. Like he obviously has his moments, but he actually is like a really good friend. Like the reason I did what I did was because when you're vulnerable with Chase, he's he's very gentle and he hears you and he's a good friend. And like when I was confiding in him about my separation, mom talk was falling apart. Like all the girls were a little distant from each other. I didn't

feel like I had many people to lean on because it was such a weird vibe. So I leaned on him, which was stupid. And I will say Chase is very understanding. He gives really good advice. So if you ever opened up to Chase, you would understand. He's just very understanding. And so then you get drunk and you kiss him. And don't do it. Okay. Just don't do it.

I'll know that when I go slowly. Please don't. Don't. It was the biggest regret of my life, like honestly. Really? Okay. Because we saw in this season, you'd be like, why would you do that?

Why would you do that? And then it's like. And then I did it. I know. It's so bad. Okay, well, at least you can. Oh, I admit. I admit that was so bad.

And I was in such a vulnerable. Like, I had just left Jordan. It's not an excuse. But I was in such a weird headspace. I should have just stayed away from alcohol and any men. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good rule of them in general.

If you're going through a divorce, stay away from those two things, please. And then seeing it though, this season, he was so ready for you to leave Jordan, though. So does that, like, kind of give you more context to it was like, oh, he was like into me. So that makes sense why it ended up happening. For me, I'm like, okay, it doesn't feel so random anymore because he had this idea on his head the whole time even when you were married. Yeah. Yeah.

I actually forgot about that. And watching it back, I was like, oh, I forgot you said that. But when it happened, I was like, Chase likes every girl. Like, I didn't take it seriously. I'm like, that's like not news, you know? And also, like, I was married. So at the time, I didn't take it seriously. Now, looking back, I was like, oh.

Okay. It makes a little bit more sense. When you got called out on Twitter, was it by Macy? Miranda. Miranda. Miranda. So sorry. The M's.

There's three of us. Yes. Okay. When she called you out, what did you, how did you feel? What was your initial reaction? So justified. I mean, I think that Miranda should say everything she feels about that situation. Like we wronged her.

Like I will never be like, how dare she? Because I really hurt her. And also my friend Kate, who was dating Chase for two years on and off. Like she was my childhood friend. Like I felt awful that I did that to both of them. Like seriously so, like the worst thing I've ever done. Was Chase single the time or was he with Kate? No, he was single.

He was single. Like they've been on and off. But still, like he meant a lot to both of them. And yeah, whatever Miranda said or posted, like it was totally justified. So yeah, I don't blame her for anything. Like she needs to stand up for herself more in those situations. I mean, I do love that he was like, was the front row at her show?

Was it this last little festival? And I do love her a song, Effie for that. It's so catchy. Kind of everything. It's always in my head. Yeah. She's so talented. So she's thrived since then.

And then Chase was obviously supporting her so they're obviously in good terms. Yes. Yeah. I think that because of their kids, they always will be. But I think Chase has learned a few lessons. Like the Shania and then me,

I think he really has been like, okay. He's a Shania too? Yeah, that was in season five, remember? Yeah. Chase? Yes. No, Chase and Dakota. Oh my God.

A little bit of old. Okay. Oh, my. It's like there's no men in Utah. That part. Like men moved to Utah. There's so many gorgeous women. I know.

I know. Musty crusty men. And it's just like, oh my God. It's pretty crazy. I mean, they're handsome enough. But you girls are. I'm like, what is happening? Oh, my God.

That's right. Damn, small world. Okay. That's what. And then how did you in Miranda work past that? Like the tweet. Did you like call her up and be like, hey, girl, sorry. So, you know what's so funny.

So me and Chase actually told Miranda and Kate the next morning that it happened. So they did find out before the rest of the world found out. and I'm glad we did it that way because it would have sucked if they found out from anyone else. So they knew. And I had texted both of them. And then I gave them a little bit of space. And then a week later, I sent them both flowers just to be like, I'm so sorry. The sucky thing about that is that the Dumois news broke the day I sent her flowers.

I had no idea it was breaking. And so it kind of looked strategic on my end, which I'm like, damn, that sucks. But again, justified. Like, she posted the flowers and that was fine. Like, she deserves to have whatever reaction she wants to this. But I did send flowers. and then we ended up talking later. We didn't talk for a while, me and Miranda,

but you guys will see that play out in the next season. So there will be that resolution. In season six coming up. She's been commenting that she's been responding to people on TikTok saying her villain era is incoming. Is that season six? Are you the rap of the villain era? Maybe I'm the villain season six.

Who knows? I know. You never know. You never know. Chesons are changing. This one I was like, oh my God, Jesse being messy. I know.

Messy Jesse. Oh, I hate it. You're so crazy because you are such like the one with like you're you had the business your head out of your shoulder like everything and then I'm like but again that's life everybody is. It's like business. I feel like I'm so locked in and then my personal life it just like has gone to shit the last year and I'm like damn I need to like be done with this like I need to do more therapy but yeah no we all do yeah I don't think Miranda's in her villain era I actually think it's just her like standing on business and like being in her power like

even if I'm on the receiving end of that like I think that she has been wronged so many times that she deserves to be in that so I'm excited to see how it plays out like for the but like I respect her so much and I have nothing bad to say like I love Miranda so and I'm really sorry for what I did what was the TikToks you guys were doing yesterday it was like you guys were in the circle and it was all of you except for Whitney and Taylor it was like Jen was pregnant you guys were doing like the were we one that there's a new one that's like Cucci oh we did that in Italy oh okay that was not new that was a he wasn't it da da da da da that one yeah we were there um we were there for season 6 so you guys

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to let them know I sent you. This is a paid advertisement. Thank you so much to Morgan and Morgan for a sponsor in today's episode. It's a really good season. I think it's going to be different than what you guys have seen in the past. my personal life is very exposed in season six and I think I have a lot of, you know, messiness,

but in the way of like when you go through a divorce, I think my mission right now is like going through this divorce. Like I think that a lot of women leave a toxic situation and think like it's going to get better if you leave. Mine got worse because I'm now like dealing with all the demons that I wasn't facing in my marriage. And it's been really emotional for me. So you see a lot of that, which I hope people will be able to relate to. But like I have a lot of anger. I have a lot of sadness, like my family is falling apart. So even though I knew it was right to leave, like it's still hard. I have two kids. Like it's been really emotional. So you see a lot of that for me at least, a lot of friendship dynamics. There's a lot to come. And a lot of the stuff

you guys have seen online, you will get answers to. Thank goodness. I feel like it left it so kind of open and so much happened since. And you guys share some stuff. Obviously, we see people in the comments. Taylor's been in the comments and stuff. And you can kind of see where you guys are at now. And how do you keep, okay, the show airs, how do you keep from like going on social media and just like ranting or going on lives and just like sharing everything like do you find how do you find the balance so in the past i feel like i've done that but i actually personally feel like social media will be the downfall of our show if we continue this way i think the online drama the commenting the fighting is making us look really bad

and i actually have been off socials for like almost three weeks now i post and then i get off or i have my assistant post i'm not reading comments i'm not looking especially with the show coming out and it's been literally night and day for my mental health yeah i think everybody's like maybe log off to some of the other Mormon wives. Or like maybe just go log off for a little bit. Because it is mental health, obviously. Me too. Sometimes you just need to, you know how it is to see comments.

Like, no one should be able to see what that many humans think of them. Like, think about if you were walking down like a hallway and you saw what every person was thinking about you as you walked past them. It's almost like being a telepath. Yes. And you have access to everyone's like secret opinions about you. It's a little scary. It is. Yeah.

And we obviously sign up for it. But like I just think that we should stay off socials when the season comes out. and even in between seasons. I think we should focus on like our fun content and our lives, but I don't like the drama of it all. And I have been a part of that. Like, I'm saying that as someone who used to buy into that. But that's my new motto moving forward as I'm like,

I'm staying off socials as far as like that stuff. I think you kind of have to be. And like you said too, people will like tune in more to the show because now we're seeing all this stuff like play out. And you're just like what is happening and stuff. Like it's a lot. Let's keep it for the show. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And will the comments too like make you reexamine your interactions with the other women too? because I feel like sometimes you won't interpret things a certain way, but they'll be like, how could they talk to you like that? And you're like, wait, how could this person talk to you like that? I actually think all of us do that where we read the comments and we let it get to our heads.

And we're like, wait, I am justified for that. And they're like, it's not healthy. Like, I agree with you there. I think that we all need to like not read it and just realize this is our job and the comments are a side effect of it. But let's not take it to heart, you know? Like, they don't really know us at the end of the day. They aren't around us. They don't live the life we live.

And so they can have their opinions, but they're seeing a very edited version of our lives, you know? Yeah, I feel like it can enable people too. Like the Taylor stands definitely, it's like, this is what people love. We talked about that a lot in season five, yeah. Yeah, which is wild. Yeah, you stayed, you're still following Taylor, but I think everyone else,

so you stayed friends with her. You've defended her on color, daddy on everything. You've really defended her. And you stay on the Taylor. One of the few remaining wives that she followed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably the only one, yeah.

Yeah. So how do you navigate that with like, also like the drama of the show versus the Taylor? You know, obviously we don't know her either. We just see what is shown to us and we're like, damn, how can anyone stay? friends with her. So how do you, how is that going for you? Yeah, I know. I do have to say,

and I say this to Taylor herself, I don't condone all of her actions. Like, I don't agree with everything she's doing. She'll post things sometimes and I've literally texts her like, delete that. Like, I think a good friend does that. But also, I do have to say that like going through my divorce, we've been through a lot of similar things with like our relationship dynamics and how we were treated. So I bonded with her a lot. And I understand certain things and we've really confided in each other. And I will say Taylor really has been there for me through my divorce. Like her and Macy are the two that have like really like checked in on me and been there. So I understand and I have sympathy for like her whole life's falling apart right now.

Like I get that. But at the same time I can also recognize the behavior and be like, hey, that's not cool. You know? So it's hard. But I guess for me right now, I have friendships with the girls. I have a friendship with Taylor. But I also have so much going on in my personal life that I'm not trying to be like getting myself so in the mix of the friendships. I need to focus on like my kids and my healing.

And I'm just trying to support everyone because we're all going through the end of the day. You know? So I think that you can call your friends out while also still supporting. Well, I think what was hard, especially on this season, is you were trying to be that one person in between the mediator with like Taylor and Miranda and Macy. And it's just like, she just like wasn't having it.

She actually kicked you out of the fighting your own house. You actually go away. And I was like, I didn't remember that until I saw. I was like, oh, whoops. That's wild. So it takes a really strong person to like stay true to that friend because I'd be like, what do you mean you're kicking me out of this conversation? You invited me over for and then you're kicking me out of my own house.

Yeah. watching that back, I was like, I probably should have, like, stood up for myself a little more, but when Taylor sees red, she sees red. And I just feel like there's no point in arguing with someone who's that deep into their anger. And then you see, and I think I even say in the scene, like, under this is just a hurt little girl. And then she does break down outside. And when the walls come down, you do see that it just all comes from pain.

Like, it's the anger comes from that place. And I knew that. So I was just like, there's no point in fighting this right now. Yeah. But you tried. I mean, you really did try for everybody out in the streets, too. Wow, I was filming in the middle of, like, a cul-de-sac just, like, freezing. Right.

the best on and you're just like, everyone's cold and I'm like, what is happening? We can't think like when that street fight airs. Like, we named it the street fight. Like, why were you guys outside for that? Because we had gone to Mason's house to get the ring and then Chase showed up so it was out front of Mason's house. Like, just randomly.

It was so crazy. Wait, and did Layla ask you guys to go get the ring or what? Oh, you guys were just like, we need this ring back. Yeah. I think we were just like trying to defend her in a way of being like, you deserve this. You've spent so much money on him. Let's like stand up for you.

I think we ended up getting it back, but it didn't show that. Yeah. Wait, what? Yeah. I don't know. I know. Because I saw, I think Michaela posted a dump and she was like wearing the ring.

And I was like, oh, I forgot about that. I know. That was like kind of unhinged, but I kind of also love that. I mean, that's why I do love the show because you guys are kind of just un-hanged. We are crazy. Like, we admit it.

Doing the most. I was like, oh my gosh. So wild. It sounds like you at least are still in a good place with almost the whole cast then, right? Yeah. As of right now, we're all in a great place, but you never know with us, you know? We've been through our ups and downs.

I will say in season six, you will see a lot of friendship dynamics because this thing with Taylor blew up our whole friend group. And there were a lot of like friendships that fell apart. And, you know, we've worked through a lot of it. And I feel really good about my relationship with everyone right now. So I feel grateful for that. The women.

Yes, the women. Yes. We don't talk. Dakota's not on this new season, right? No. Jordan and Dakota are both done filming. So, yeah. Thank God.

Yeah. Thank God. Which is good because once you're an ex, like, there is no need. I don't think. So I think it's okay. Wish them the best. But like, let's just keep it with the women, you know? Yeah, they hopefully are relieved too because if people just don't like you at all, it's like, well, I wouldn't want to be on there.

Yeah. And I think it's good for both of them to be able to move forward. Like, here's the thing. Even though, like, me and my ex have had a tumultuous relationship, Dakota and Taylor had their thing, I still believe everyone deserves to, like, heal and move on. So if both of them want the chance to do that, I want that for them. Like, even my ex, like, I want him to be happy. I really do. For our kids' sake and for him. Like, I loved him at one point. Like, I always will love him. So I want him to be happy, but I don't think he needs to be filming. What do you think about all the cameos popping up on TikTok with him? Oh, God. People love to post a Jordan cameo. They do. He's getting the Jordan cameo. Literally. I'm not like dogging it, but I just think that's funny that they're posting it.

No, it's so funny. And I don't think he realized that like people were going to post them. And there were a lot where he was talking badly about me. So I had to be like, hey, let's stop. You know, like let's not do this anymore. I can't request for that as crazy. You think someone asked that or he just is like willingly. Like, let me give you some tea.

I think he willingly did. I think at least that's how it looked. But, you know, I had also done call her daddy, so I can't, like, really shame him because I'm like, I also, like, talk to him. And, you know, any divorce is contentious. So I don't, like, blame him 100%, but those cameos were wild. I was like, wow. Crazy.

And it's like, are people asking him this or he's just on his own free will? I think he did him a disservice. And I don't think he realized that was going to happen, maybe, you know, but, yeah, that was kind of, like, he's kind of trying to, like, he did the winter games or what did he did something. Oh, did the chef. Oh, the chef show. That's what it was.

Yes, Dakota did winter games. Yes, yes. He did the chef show. So he still wants to kind of maybe be. I think he wants, he is a really good cook. And so I think he wants to lean into that content. So hopefully, like, he can do stuff with that. Okay.

So we have some redeeming qualities for Jordan. He does. He does. I mean, here's the thing. Like, obviously, our relationship was not good. And there were a lot of bad things that happened. But every human has good and bad to them. Like, he does have some good qualities.

And I think that if he leans into those, he'll be fine. Yeah. So we all deserve to heal and grow, right? I love that. We just want to see the heal and growing for, I think, some people. Something like, I'm going to be growing on season six. I'm like, we better. We better see that.

Yeah. No, you will see me go like this and then this. Just so you know. Okay. We love that again. Yeah. People always are like evolving and stuff like that. You didn't say you're focusing on yourself and your solo stuff.

What solo things are you? Because everyone's down with people are doing music. Yeah. And so, you know. Right? Shook. That was the next one of the star.

I was so happy for him. But like I was, I was like, whoa, one of the husbands broke free. And if it's going to be any husband, it's going to be Connor. Is he the best behind the scenes? Okay. He is just who you think he would be. He is an angel on earth. He did come here.

Yes, he came here. He was very supportive. He also was just like sitting there. And then I was like, wait, can you come up to? Because he had a magic trick to show us. Wait, I love that. Yeah, he seems very wholesome. But again, you never really know.

You never know. But I will say Connor is one of those that like what you see is what you get. He is such a good guy. So he's deserving of the dancing. Yes, I'm so excited to see him do that. That's going to be so interesting. So what about you? What's, are you doing music?

Are you going to be singing? Are you to be happy for that? No, I am definitely not going to be singing. I think that the other girls have that. I'm like, you do not want to hear me sing. Really? Yeah. No performance in you, like acting.

I don't think so. I would love to act, actually. I think I'm very theatrical. So I would love that. You're giving that. That's why it's like you give theater kids and stuff like that. But yeah. When I was little, I would put on plays for my parents and make them watch me for four hours at a time.

So yes, I love that stuff. But I don't know if I have the voice. But I also can't dance. Oh, really? No. Well, and call her daddy, you thought about dancing with the stars, no? I mean, I would do it if they asked me because, like, who wouldn't? Yeah.

at the same time, I'm like, I would be the Kim K. Didn't she, like, suck and get voted off? Everyone tells me. That would be me. I can probably teach you, though. I will show up and, like, have a great costume, but, like, I will not be good. So if they asked you would say yes. Probably, but I would be really embarrassed.

Like, I don't think I, I don't know. I did a dance lesson with Sasha recently, and I was sore for three months. Like, I'm like, how do people do this? Like, it's so hard. How intense was that dance? Because I love Sasha. He is, he is obviously, like, my DMs too when Moses cooks. Oh, that looks so good.

He's the best. He's everywhere, yeah. So did you go to his house? No. Fancy little house in the hills. I know he does. We went to a studio in L.A. It was the day before I filmed

Call Her Daddy, actually. And so it was like the weekend my life was falling apart. But he, like, was so gentle with me and so understanding. And we did, I actually learned a lot where I was like, maybe I could do this. Like, if I really put the work in. But I was sore for so long. What dance did you do? What style?

Chacha, salsa. I don't know. We did like back and forth and flips and upside down and it was cool. But I have no idea what the style was. That is so funny. Oh my God. This synergy, too, because right, you said there. the same Hulu is dancing with the stars.

Yeah, ABC. Oh, yeah, Disney, yeah, all of us. I can see, like, as a stunt, you and Marciano competing against each other. That would be iconic. That would be a guy. He would go longer than me. You'd be a dancer?

Way more rhythm, I think, than I do. Wait, really? Oh, my God, I would love to see that. That would be funny, yeah. That would be everything. You were still doing, you were saying before we started filming, you still have your, obviously, your studio, your hair salon, but you kind of do that more remote.

So you're just making time for doing more. Yeah. So my business, yeah, is something that I really love focusing on. it's a family business and I have a hair school, a hair salon, a hair extension company. So there's so many facets of it. And when I film, I don't like get to be as involved. So when we stop filming, I love integrating back into that. So I just want to like focus on that type of thing. Like my business, growing that. Who knows what other opportunities. But like I just want to, I mean, I like to say yes to everything. Whatever comes my way, we'll see. I mean, I can't dance,

like I said. But if I did, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're open to trying everything. I'm open to like trying everything once. And we're talking about before to balancing being a mom because you have two kids. Four, three and six? Four and six? Three and six. Yeah. So little.

So how does that balance work? Because you're based in Utah. Yes. You're not moving to L.A. No. I can come here for work very easily. So like New York and L.A. We're always in.

But like Utah is where my businesses are. My family. My kids, I couldn't move because legally I have kids. Oh, yes. We both have to be there. But I, you know, being a working mom is the hardest job. Like I'm trying to potty train my daughter right now. and I'm like, how do people do this?

Like, it's so hard. It's so hard. Especially when you're just busy all the time. It's so hard not to just put a pull up on. It's like, okay. I love being a mom more than anything. It's like my biggest, like, blessing in life. And I love just being able to focus on that when the cameras are down.

Like, get back into mom mode and run my businesses and it's just great. Would you have more kids? I don't know. I always said no. But Marciano wants kids so bad. Changes, yeah. Changes when your partner wants kids. It does.

And he doesn't have his own. So I'm like, okay, I would have one. I've told him. I've had all. have one. Oh, wow. Yes. One more. That's it. Oh my gosh. We'll see. That's amazing. Not anytime soon. I love being a mom too. I had to get my tubes out because I was addicted to being pregnant. Did you love being pregnant? I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Yes. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I was just like,

my business is perfect. I was like, how was that? Eat whatever. It is true. People give you attention. It's true. It's like you can sit wherever you want. They open doors for you. Like eating for two. You're right. Oh, I loved it. And Giving birth is like the most magical experience in the whole world. I loved giving birth too. It's very, maybe it was the drugs or whatever, which is like this euphoric thing. Did you do it natural? You did it with? Oh, okay.

So I did epidurals, but my second epidural with my daughter didn't take. So my legs were numb, but nothing else was. So I felt it all. Like ring of fire. It was awful. I might actually hate it if I felt it all. I was definitely feeling nothing and I loved it. Yeah.

No, same. First one, easy. But yeah. Oh, my gosh. Mine were all C-sections, not by choice. The second third were. But you, yeah, you get this numbing. And then when you wake up after giving birth,

you're just kind of like, you're floating. And then you get a baby on your chest. And you're like, this is great. And you don't feel your legs, which I mean, obviously you don't want all the time. But like, it was good for those 24 hours. And then everyone's doting on you and like taking care of you. And you get a date with your husband.

It was me and Moses just talking to each other for 24 hours straight. I was like, wonderful. This never happens with kids. Yes, it was really, I really liked it. But then that's why I had to like take my own tubes out. Because I'm like, I'm going to keep pregnant. No. So you have three and you're done.

Yes. We're good with two. Maybe I'll have three and be done. Three is a good number. If you're even thinking about a third, I always think like, yeah, just have the third because it is kind of fun. You never know. Oh my gosh, that would be so excited.

I know. Not anytime soon. Yeah. But I am 34, so I'm like, damn, like, how old do I want to be when I have my last? How old were you? Wow. With your last? I just had me, 37.

Oh, I was 37. Oh, I'm good. People are having them at 40. What scares me is at 35. They're like, it's a geriatric pregnancy. I'm like, oh, great. I'm a great mom. No, well, honestly, all mine were geriatric pregnancies.

because I had them back to back. It was like 35, 36, or so I was like back to back. And again, it was great. And I was like not in shape. I was not like that healthy, but I had great pregnancy. So I think it's, I think it's good for everyone. I'm good. I've got like a good six years left in me before I could.

Would you guys ever do a spin-off? You and Marciano together. Oh my gosh. I mean, would you guys watch it? I don't know. Yes. The brunettes. Oh, people were saying that that you wanted to get married just to have the brand name.

Shut up. That's funny. Jesse Brunette. I mean, so you don't know. I don't know. I'm not reading comments, but how iconic. Like, actually, when we were at Vanderpump Villa, when I met him, I remember we were all sitting around talking about our last names for some reason.

And everyone's like, how do you spell your last name? Because it was Natikara. And I was teaching them. And then he was like, yeah, my last name's Brunette. And I said to him, I'm like, oh my gosh, can I steal that? Like, that's perfect for me. We're getting married. Yeah, I was fully married.

And I did not expect it at that time. Like, nothing had happened with us on that trip. So I was just joking and now full circle. But I'm like, Jesse Brunette is actually so iconic. It's a great name. Especially now you are brunette. I'm a brunette. Yeah.

It makes so much sense. Did you do that on purpose? Like when you met him, you're like, I'm gonna go darker? Oh my gosh, no. Because you were so, like, much lighter. I used to be blonde my whole life. And then I was going a little bit darker

as the show went on and I've gone back and forth, but brunette just feels more me now, which is so ironic. Yeah. I tried to go lighter a few weeks ago and I immediately changed it. I was like, no, I'm a dark-haired girl. I want to go dark because I'm like getting older.

With your eyes? That's why I saying your eyes are so blue, but like, do you always have to be glam and stuff and always like full makeup. No, I actually feel so much better. I feel like it adds more color to my skin. I'm not so washed out. Yeah.

You're like influenced me. This is all yours. This is all you? Are you kidding? This is all fake. This is all extension. This is your extension line? These are Jay-Z.

Yes. Jay-Z. I love it. My own hair is like to hear. Oh my gosh. It looks amazing. Thank you. And their clippins or their web?

No, they're tapins. We have all kinds, but I do tapes because they're easy. But yeah, it's all fake. Don't worry. Oh my God. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

That is the best when people say, like, I love your extensions. That's like the worst compliment you can get. Yeah, yeah. So, thank you. It's literally un-warkable. You're super open about what you have. Because did you say this last season, the intro you were recovering from surgery? So not even in the intro, but the whole season.

Like, if you watch the season, I look so puffy, especially like the first couple episodes. I did not see that at all. You look so good. Yeah. I was like, until you were like pointing it out. Okay. Yeah. Then I was like, oh, okay, I see it.

But at first I didn't. And I feel like, again, it's the thing with like the comments because like you're still posting in real time and everyone's like being mean. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I do. I did see one video. Someone sent it to me, which I'm like, don't send this to me. But it was a video like comparing me like the saw character or something. Oh my God. And I was like, perfect. I knew that would be the reaction. But overall, it's been really like everyone's like you looked so beautiful because I think people know I was recovering.

But I had just gotten surgery a month before that. So I was, I got some fat grafting in my face. And it was so swollen and puffy. What's fat grafting? They take fat from your thighs and put it into your face, which to be honest, I didn't want. My doctor just kind of did it. What do you mean? You didn't go in for that? No. I went in for an lower and upper blef, which is where they just like remove the extra skin from your eyes. And he had told me, I want to do some fat grafting around your eyes to balance it out.

And I just said, yeah, whatever you think I need, which wrong answer. Do not say that. So it is my fault. And he did, he put it in my lips, my cheeks, my eyes, my jaw. I woke up this big. And I was like, what happened? Like, I did not want that. So it sucks because I'm like, I hope people didn't think that's what I wanted to look like because that was not. But it's settled. It looked great now. It looks good now. Thank you. That's why I was like wait because I know you said the surgery and I'm like so the upper bluff. Is that like upper face lip? Not like a facelift. Not like a facelip. But like if you ever have like um, heavier like um, eyelids where like you have extra skin. It just kind of like removed the extra skin like when you smile and you know. Are you put under? Yes. Yes. I was asleep. Like low. Oh, could you imagine like cut my eyes open. Oh, could you imagine like I. I've had so many surgeries now. I'm like, like, I've had so many surgeries now. I. I've had so many surgeries now. and I know I went overboard. So, like, I'm also, like, the biggest component, or, like, what's the word?

Advocate. Advocate. Yeah. Or component. I don't know. No. No, we're both naturally blonde. So, you know.

Or naturally. Biggest advocate of, like, you do not need. Like, if you want to do something great, but, like, you do not need to go overboard, I wish I wouldn't have done my last one. So how many have you had? Because you look very natural to me. I would never know. That's okay.

Okay, so I had my nose done, but it was like, not a nose job. It was just like a little nostril tuck. Like, they just cut a little bit off of the sides. Because why? What was wrong with your nostrils? It was like a little flary. Mine is like that. See, that's, now I want it.

You don't eat it. You don't eat it. No, I'm like, don't get surgery. I'm very that for you. And then I did the upper and lower bluff with the fat grafting. And then I did, what else have I done? Oh, a labiaplasty. I did that in season one.

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I didn't need everything I did. You look right. You do look like you're like 20, so it didn't work. Hopefully it was worth it then, but thank you. And you were coming from your boobs was also a lot, right? Oh my gosh. I had a hematoma. And so in New York for Whitney, I was like dying.

I was in so much pain. I had just gone to the Grammys and it started to hurt at the Grammy. So I was like flying from... LA to New York, like with a hematoma, and I was just sitting like this. I was like, kill me. How soon was your boob job before all that, before flying? I got it done in January, and Whitney started in, it was probably a few weeks before that. Yeah, so it was like fresh. Oh my. So you had like trauma too from all that. Yes. I always did that too. And then flying makes it worse. So like, I think that did something. Yeah. Did your doctor advise

you not to? Oh my gosh. He was like, what are you doing? Yeah. But he's so great. Like he's so supportive. But it'd been a few weeks. He's like, you're fine, but just be careful. And yeah. Oh my. But we're good now. So that's all that matters. That is so wild. Thank you. I know. It was a crazy time. It was crazy watching a flight in New York,

and you literally couldn't even put your shirt on. Yes. I was like going like this, the deodorant. Going the ice skating. And Taylor wasn't showing up. I'm like, I'm bleeding internally. And this girl can't show up. I'm like, I'm dying, actually.

But that's me. Like Vegas, season one when we went to Vegas. I had just gotten my lab opacity three days before. And I was like, let's go. Oh my! I just pushed through. But like, I probably shouldn't. But I'm done with surgeries now.

So, like, we're good. I know. I've done. I've done. I hate my boobs out this year. I hate my boobs. Really? Yeah, I'm over it.

That's why I got mine done again. I went smaller. I was like, oh, you had the bigger. I had bigger ones. And I'm like, I'm so short. This is too much. Yeah. So I get it.

Yeah. I feel like back in the day, huge boobs were like, they were in. Yeah. And now it's just like, they're annoying. They're big. That's what sucks about like, like, literally our bodies. We're like, oh, now I need smaller boobs.

Oh, when I got my BBL, everyone's like, big butts are out. I was like, what the hell. Perfect, awesome. Lips too. I was getting my lips over and done. Now they're all dissolving our lips. It's crazy.

And then in five years it'll be back. At that part, I'm like, we need to figure out what we're doing. Yes. But the bluffs and everything are in right now. I want to get it all day. Don't do it. Don't do it.

I'm trying to get this. Okay, well, that's like Kybela. That's different, right? Oh, I've done Kaibela. I have actually. But that's not a surgery. That's just like they dissolve. Like, it's an injection.

It makes it just tighter. And it like, yeah, tightens it up, I guess, but don't get a bluff. Like, do not do it. Really? Yes, because my bluff, there was some complications, and my eyelids looked like saucers. Like, it was, like, my lid was, like, drooping a little bit.

Don't do it. Like, just don't. Why didn't you document any of this for the show? You just weren't filming at that time? No, I did. It just didn't make it. Like, actually, there was a whole scene where the girls had an intervention with me.

They sat me down and they're like, you need to stop getting surgery, and it just didn't make it. We need that to air because so many people need that PSA. I know. That's what I thought. Also, we need like a little. a blooper episode. Yeah.

Right? Like everything that was cut, the funny stuff. Funny stuff we'd love to see because it was heavy this season. There's always funny stuff. I'm like, they need to see more of that. Yeah.

They're like, we're gonna just focus on the crazy part. Well, it's funny because online everyone's like, the girls hate each other. Like, why are they friends? I'm like, you guys don't see the good stuff though. Like every friendship has up and downs and I agree ours is intense. But like we have so much fun when we film.

Like I wish they left a little more of that in because it's really fun at times. Do you see each other outside of filming? Some of us, yeah. I see Macy a lot. But I'm close with everyone, but I would say Macy right now. I see more than anyone for sure. But yeah, I mean, at one point, we were all really, really close.

And when we're filming, we obviously see each other more. And then when we stop filming, we almost like decompress and kind of scatter. We're like, okay, we need a break from each other. But no, I think that a lot of us still hang out a lot. How, I guess going backwards, like before even season one air, is like, how are you invited into mom talk? Like, I always love to know that. Because it was Taylor and the two blondes that were like her daughters, right? That was like the whole game.

Yes, Camille and Miranda. happen to them. Miranda's still. Oh, well, no, Miranda. Yeah. I'm like, Marys in on top. Camille, Camille. Camille's still around the group.

Like, she was in season five, the carnival. You see her for like a second. But she just, like, had a baby and like, she's just doing her own thing. I love her. She's great. Yeah. But I actually was doing Whitney's hair. I had been doing her hair for a while.

And then I was friends with Macy. And so I kind of just got brought in because I was friends with everyone. And they just, like, asked if I wanted to be a part of it. So I was like, awesome. And I remember doing my interview for the show. They, like, wanted to do a Zoom interview. and I was in the middle of getting my hair done. And you know as a blonde, like you have foils everywhere.

I had half a head of foils. And they were like, can you jump on a Zoom? And I was like, sure. I just showed up like that. Just mid foil. They were like, we loved that. It was so real. So maybe that's like part of why I got casted.

I don't know. But it was fun. Were you there for any of the swinging scandals before? No, I was not. So even after all that, you're like, I'll join this group even though they're swingers. Yeah. Okay.

Because I also like, I just, I mean, I had already been divorced once on my second marriage. Like, I was just kind of like, I don't judge. I have a crazy pass too, like whatever. You're like, let's just jump into it. And I knew some of the girls. So like I kind of knew the ins and out. It's like I'd done Whitney's hair. I knew Macy.

So like I knew the story behind the story, you know. Yeah. Oh wow. How wild. So you guys were genuine like friends and in the community. Yeah. All Salt Lake. That's where it's all happening.

Yeah, we're all in Salt Lake. And you were a Mormon. Yes, I was Mormon. I got married in the temple. My first marriage did the whole thing. I grew up Mormon. I'm not Mormon anymore. Like honestly,

my whole family's kind of fallen away. Yeah. But it's still is such a heavy influence. I have so many of my employees that are Mormon, my friends and family still. So what does that mean? Are you like Chick-fil-A where you like take Sunday off? Unfortunately, no, because I'm working today.

I know. When I said it was a Sunday, I was like, oh, they're never going to have a Sunday. Like, actually Sunday works. Like, isn't there church? Sunday's great. I love it. I've been to church in years, so. Oh, so you're not going.

In the Mormon community, like, typically it's like on Sunday, you don't go shopping, you don't go to movies, you don't hang out with friends. You stay home. It's a family day. It's a little more lax now, but when I was growing up, that was so the standard. So you grew up in Utah, you grew up Mormon, stayed home on Sunday. Yes.

Wow. The little Mormon girl, you know? That is wild. Yeah. Mormon, yeah, I'm so fascinated by it. My favorite Mormon is Donnie Osmond. I really love him. I love him.

You know what? Yeah, so my cousin was best friends with his son in high school. Yeah, so I like went to his house and stuff. Oh, yeah. Were they Provo? Is that where they're at? And Orrin they have, yeah. Did you watch Joseph in the Technicolor Dreamcoat?

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That is great, so you like somehow. I loved it. I met Donnie 55 times. I love him so much. Every time I see him, I'm like, you're so great. A lot of Mormons on Dancing with the Stars too. It's a very...

Well, Utah, it just breeds like dancers, entrepreneurs, reality now, like it's crazy. Interesting. And we're all Mormon. Right, Aspera was, he grew up there and science. And Whitney Carson, Lindsay Arnold.

All of us, yes. Yes. Yes. Wow. They were coming up. I saw Whitney was, she did an interview with people. And she was approached, I guess, to be in Mormon. Yes.

I'm dead. Whitney Carson? Yes. She was approached to be in season one to be one of the Mormon wives. She's like, no, she's way too wholesome for us. Like she's so amazing and cute. You guys give wholesome, but then, yeah, I got like messy. This intro this year, the Greek, the Greek, the Greek goddesses.

Yes. In the, how do those come to be? How do those, do they ask you guys import, like what's the creative this year? Because you started in blue coats in the first season, holding hands. Oh, we were mortified by that one, by the way. Wait, why? I kind of like it. Well, because it was in front of the temple, and we were like, oh, Mormons are going to eat us alive.

I remember filming that, and there were, like, some cute little old ladies outside the temple, and they're like, are you guys in a wedding? And we were like, we're bridesmaids. Like, we did not want anyone to know. Are the coats not, like, traditional Mormon coats? No. Those were just coats they chose. And then we carried them into season two.

And then I think for season three, we evolved into blue dresses. And now we do blue dresses, and it's like the symbolism for the coats. I guess. Got it. But no, our showrunner is so creative and incredible, amazing. And she comes up with the main titles every year. And every year, I think it's like a new element of Utah, like the Red Rocks. And then we had the salt flats and then the water.

So I always love seeing what she comes up with. It's beautiful. It is cool. Yeah. It's wild. It's always so wild. The behind the scenes of it is wild. Yes.

Do you guys get to choose if you're in it or not like, obviously Taylor's not in the new intro? So do you guys get to pick, like, you can just not show up if you don't want to? I mean, not really. That was like not allowed. I mean, that's not allowed usually. but I will say she was on her way and then she turned around. We filmed this like three hours away

from where we live and she was supposed to be there and then I think like you know her life's been crazy in the news something had broken online and it was too much for her to handle so she turned around. So I think they were obviously like what do we do but at the same time

she's been going through a lot and they found a way to integrate her in but like I understood that because I was also going through a hard time when we filmed that. It was in July I think and I was having a panic attack mental breakdown over my divorce

I almost didn't show up the second day. Glad I did now because it looks amazing. I understood where she was coming from because I'm like I mentally was also going through it. So like if you need to not be there, I get it. Yeah. It's just so easy. It's like you want to be in that opening. Especially because she was on the swing in that one opening and I was like, oh, that's kind of everything. It was. And I'm sure her dress would have been amazing and like it would have been incredible. But they still integrated her in, but I think people obviously could tell it was. Yeah. It wasn't the same. Yeah. Does it feel different this season without Whitney? Yeah. It's weird because we've all been together

from day one. And even though we all go in different directions, like, we all will never understand. Like, we all will understand, like, no one else can what we all went through together. Like, the rise to fame so quickly and overnight. And it was really weird not having her there. But at the same time, like, she has kind of been removed for a while. So, you know, she would pop in here and there. And we will always, like, have Whitney and Mom talk, like, in our friend group. She'll always be a part of our friend group. So, like, we still catch up with her and stuff. But it is different. Such a crazy. That is wild. Because how long, was it five years ago? Premiere to four years. Two.

Season one was two years ago? Yes. September of 2024. Oh my. That's why I say. The rise to fame was quick. We filmed six seasons in two years. Ooh, on it.

Next season, next season. They are. The Bacheloretts out. They're like, you're going to do all the... Can you believe that? That's the weird thing about the show airing is by the time it airs. I'm like, whoa, like, we're already on the next. Like, I forget what happened, you know?

That is insane. Oh my God. Your life did... Okay, that is a big switch up. Because I think that was Jen and Zach, too, when we see them like kind of like their differences. It's like you were a completely different person two years ago. Everyone probably was so different. Who you married

like Jordan, even you and Jordan. It's like you guys were probably such different people. The fame, just everything, fame, money, opportunities. It changes your life. Because all the women were mostly like housewives and that kind of switched. All the men kind of kind of like give up their jobs that they wanted to. And so that's that's a big change. I saw this season too.

A lot of people, I guess giving empathy towards Zach where he was like the villain before. And they're kind of like, well damn, a lot did change. Like Jen's whole life changed and obviously a year and a half. So like you have to give a little grace to everyone going through a transition for sure. That's wild. It's crazy.

Especially with kids and you guys were all so young. How old were you first got your first marriage? Oh, when I got married the first time I was 22, and then got divorced at 26, got remarried at 27, and then divorced again at 33. Insane. Like so Mormon of me.

Is it that, I was I'm wondering where the, because you were saying like you wouldn't get legally married, but is that instilled because of the church? Like you should be legally married. Everyone gets married at like 19, has three kids by the time they're 25. like it's insane and then everyone gets divorced because you get married so young.

So I just feel like I'm like so scarred from it. I'm like I don't need a piece of paper to have like a successful. Yeah. And I'm in such a healthy relationship now and I've never been in one before. And so I'm like I would just rather like enjoy this and not like feel the need to make that legal.

But again, I also like love partnership. And so like maybe one day. The commitment. Yeah. And I know Marciano would be the best husband in the whole world. Like he already is the best partner. He's definitely the best looking guy on the show

because I always thought those guys were musty, I saw your clip talking about that and I was like, valid. Right? I mean, but it's Utah. It's not like in LA, you know what I mean? It's like, he's Vegas, right? Yeah, he's giving model and. Yeah, he's giving, you know, yeah, everyone always thinks he's gay.

Like, it's hilarious. He's very pretty. He is. And he cares. And I'm like, but at least he cares. Like, at least he, like, brushes his teeth and, like, does his hair and, like, cares about his hygiene, you know? I did have, I had two gay boyfriends and one of my girlfriends look just like him. I showed you a picture.

I did just see that. Like actually gay. Yeah. He was actually gay. You know what? I love a gay man. Me too. If I married a gay man, I would be so happy.

That part. I love that we have the same taste in shows. We watch our chick flicks together. Like, he's my best friend, along with my boyfriend. He's not gay. But, like, he has, like, a little, like, of the feminine side that I need. I can't be with a man who's like football and beer. Like, that's not me.

That's how I get too. We have a lot of comments. That's great. Right. Because if people think that about Connor, he gets the gay allegations too. And it's like, maybe the best husbands are. Maybe they are. Maybe the best husbands have the allegations.

Yeah. I've always loved my gay boyfriends. and I love gay men so much. I have so many gay best friends. Maybe that's why I like that a little bit. All my boyfriends have also been a little femi. Yeah. Jordan,

I get it. Yes, people say that. The dress. He had the best lines back out in season four. Honestly, yeah. When he did that in person, I was like, oh, my gosh. What is happening? Did you think that was hot?

Did I think that was hot? Are you for real? I got it liked it. I was like, I was going to eat. You know what? In the edit, I was like, that was funny. It became a trend. But in the moment, I was like, what is happening?

Are you in musical theater right now? Like, I was a little confused, but yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think he could have a redemption art. If we say Zach have one, I think he could. You know what? Every villain. Look at Whitney.

People thought she was the villain season one, and now she's on top of the world. Everyone and everyone will have a villain era. I'm not kidding. I think everyone in reality TV will go through that because you're filming your real life and we're all messy and no one's perfect. That's the craziest turn around too with like Whitney because I hadn't watched the seasons when they were airing. That's why I thought it was like forever ago.

And I was like, oh my gosh. But then when Whitney did dancing with the stars, I was like, wait, I really like love her. Whitney is the best. Yeah, she really is. And you met her, like, you know, like, she's so great. Humble, sweet. She's going back to Broadway, which is really cool.

I know. I want to meet everyone. I need to meet, like, a Jen. Because while the internet and people were kind of side-dying her, it's like maybe she has some redeeming qualities in there. No, she does. I love Jen. Jen's just, okay, you think about it.

She's what, 26? She has now almost four kids, a really young marriage that's been contentious. Like, she's so young. 26. I think she's 26, yeah. So she has just been through a lot. And I just think that she doesn't know sometimes how to communicate how she's feeling because when you're in a marriage that sometimes, like, she's expressed, like, they've had a lot of ups and downs and she can't really be herself. And she felt like Zach didn't support her. Like, that makes you go into yourself. So sometimes when you're trying to communicate how you feel it doesn't come out the right way. So I think that's part of her issue. But she really is so great. Like, you'll meet her and you'll love her. Like, I love Jen. Okay. I'm excited to see her on the spinoff of the Mormon wise. Yeah. Are you going to be? Because you pop in, you popped in on the Bachelorette. Are you popping in on the OC Mormon wise? You know what? I wasn't around. for it. So we'll see.

None of it. Yeah, I think that you guys will see some surprises. So I'll say that. But yeah, it's kind of funny how we have so much crossover. Like we have the Vanderpump Villa, the Bachelorette, like, OC now. Like there's a lot of like Hulu crossover. Synergy. Yes. Oh, and Stasi, I was on that and the girls. Like I, it's funny how we all pop up

on each other's stuff without realizing, you know? Right, right. That's so interesting. Oh, yeah, they probably love that you and Marciano together because they like that branding the spin off would be natural. And the makes you. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Although. I love him. Why was he on? Why was he on? Do you guys know him? Yes. So, you know what? It's so funny. We had all met him at some point just through, like, the industry. And I think it was Macy. Macy had just done his podcast. So she was like, Taylor, you should like hang out with him. He's so funny. And like, I know.

Macy, girl. What? We love you. I thought we're at the stable level. I know. I think she was just trying to get Taylor away from Dakota because this was on that trip of dancing with the stars when like they were sleeping together. So we invited him over being like, Taylor, this is a good test run for you for the Bachelorette because she was so foreign to dating. and then she did what she did. Then they just started fighting in front of him. And I honestly think that was the best part of season four, seeing his face expressions. Right.

He was like, where am I? Yeah, that was wild. It was so funny. I love Harry. He's great. Oh, wow. Okay. Dating Harry, I think would be a different experience,

but like friend Harry, love him. He's so great. He's so supportive. He checks in on us all the time. Like, he's such a great friend. He's just sending a text? He's just saying, hey, how are you doing? Yeah, all the time.

Yeah, we text a lot. So, were you guys doing voice memos? Is that what I remember? Yes, that was in. Yeah, when I was funny when it released. I think he released the voice memo. Yeah, he's so funny. Oh, you were fine with it.

I love her just so chill. Someone released my voice mom was like, what the hell? I mean, it depends on the context of them. But those were innocent, I felt. And I felt like it proved the point of like this was like, happy birthday. Like we shared the same birthday. So every year we're like, happy birthday twin, you know.

Right. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Because I remember he was at the scene of the crime for that too when all that scandal's going on. He's always in the mix. Always.

Always. He's always. Always. He's always in the mix somehow. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so that was innocent enough. I thought he was just trying to be messy,

being like, look, she's DMy. I think he was like, here's the, like, because I talked about it. He's like, well, here they are. And we had talked about it. Like, he's fine. I love him. Got it.

Okay, I love that. Okay, you're really defending a lot of guys, which I like, because I'm hating all of them. Am I a male apologist? No, no, you're definitely not. You're the girl's girl. Yes. You know what?

I'm a Gemini. What's your sign? Oh, Taurus. Oh, my son's a tourist. When's your birthday? My daughter's a Gemini. May 8th. Oh, my gosh.

Shut, and Harry Josie! She has two celebrity birthdays with her. I'm dead. Which is crazy because she was D-section. I was trying to get her out on tourist day, but like... Shut up. No, she's a Gemini. Oh, wait, what sign are you?

I'm a cancer. Oh, I love a cancer. You guys are emotional. I love that. Okay, so Gemini. So I'm a Gemini, and maybe you'll notice this in your daughter. She gets older. I can see both sides of everything.

They call it the split because it's like twins. It's a twin sign. So you have like, they call it two-faced. But for me, I just feel like I can see both sides. It's really hard for me. like you saw me mediating the fights. I'm like, no, I can see both sides and it's hard. So I think for me, I like see the good in people and then the bad.

Like, I don't know. I just see both sides. That's good, though. I'm, I see the bad in most people. So that's good. I wish I was more like that. I wish I saw red flags easier. I don't.

They're all white flags to me. It's so bad. I need to work on that. I need to work on it. I think it's good. I think it's good to be that way and everyone needs that in the front group too, which is true interesting. Oh my gosh.

I'm just so fascinated by all of you guys and like what you're going on to do. because I know we talked about something, I probably can't talk about it, but the stuff you have coming up, but I'm just like, so for me, like, I love, like, okay, this is the funniest thing about our industry

is people are always like, clout chaser, they just want fame. And I'm like, I don't think there's a bad thing about wanting to be in this industry. Yeah, that's why I did a reality show. That's why we do what we do. And I wouldn't even say it's like,

I want to be famous. It's more so that, like, I actually enjoy entertainment and being in this industry and it helps my business and it elevates things. So for me, like, my, like, blueprint is like a Lisa Vanderpump

or like a Kim K. I want to be in this industry and build businesses and take my business to the next level. We're actually right now currently building a new salon. We just bought a huge lot. It's going to be like 30,000 square feet.

It's going to be like an empire. So my goal is like let's like take that empire and make it bigger and better. And that's my goal is just to like be in this industry to elevate that. And I want to be a business woman. That's me. Wait, that's everything.

Yeah. Do you have like little, are you going to do franchises or are you just still? I don't know. I think about it, but I'm like I would lose the control. And I'm like the face of my business. So that scares me.

But like our new building's going to have like a coffee bar and a gym and like a green room and so like everything. In Utah? Oh my. It's going to be a solid. I would love. It's in Pleasant Grove. It's where we're at now. It's just down the street. Okay, so just a bigger version of that. Love the new billboard by the way. Is it for a billboard? Yeah. It's a billboard. It's like, where's this billboard? I want to go. It's in Utah. Yeah. Now? Yeah. I'm going to be attacked now all the time. It's in Orem if you ever go there. I love Warren. But yeah, I'm always trying to do like cheeky billboards. Like I did one a few months ago that was like, can you handle 22 inches? And it was like the extensions. but it was cheap.

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Oh, well, that makes sense. Because you guys can't even go out to eat after 8 p.m. or something, right? Or drink or isn't restaurants closed down? No. St. George, we went for high school musical, and they were like, no. drinking after 8 p.m. There are some cities that are weird.

Like, they don't serve alcohol on Sundays. So, like, there are weird stuff like that. Okay, okay. But in Salt Lake, things are, like, way more chill. Like, Salt Lake is one of, like, the gay capitals of the world. I'm pretty chill. Wait, really? Yeah, we do pride every year.

There's a lot of, like, open-mindedness. Oh, we love that. Yeah, my show in Salt Lake, I had, like, a year ago, there was lots of gays. I remember seeing that, and you got a swig. Everyone was tagging all of us in it. Like, I should try to swing. You guys actually were commenting back. It was very excited.

We had at least, like, three of you guys, I love Benihana. It's so good. The one in Salt Lake, it's good. We stayed right across the street in that hotel. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know exactly where you were. I love Salt Lake.

I do like the vibes. It's fun. It's a great place to raise kids too. So I love it for that. It's very like, it's a good, it's a fun, safe, great environment for kids. So I'm like, it's great. It feels like, yeah, because like you said, you can kind of in the middle so you can kind of go back and forth. Yes.

And the city's a little more modern. Like, you know, Salt Lake's like more vibey. And then like we're in like the county. So it's a little more like homely, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you get the best of both worlds, so. Oh, I love that. Do you ever see yourself moving out of Salt Lake or?

Maybe in the future. I think for me I would have a house somewhere else. Like I would have a vacation home. But as long as my kids are still, like, being raised, I want to have them like in a stable. Like, I don't want to have them switching schools. Me and my ex-husband both live in Utah. Our families, my businesses are there. But I love that I have like my roots, but then I can travel for work and like, you know.

Is Marciano come up to Salt Lake? Is he there now full time? Almost. So he is visiting me all the time. And I think he's going to be moving soon. He's going to get his own place though. Wow. Yeah, we're not going to live together.

I'm trying to be, like, mature and take things slow. So, you know. I was going to say, what is the difference? Like, this is my first healthy relationship. What is the big difference that you see or feel? Like, he treats me like gold. Like, everyone in my life knows. Like, he is such a gentleman.

Like, he will not let me carry my own bag ever. My purse. Like, he's constantly carrying it. Opens doors for me. If I need anything, he is like, and he's like 10 steps ahead of me. Like, if I sigh, if I'm like, he's like, he's like, what's wrong? Like, I know what that sigh means. Like he's so attentive.

And my friends and family, he's always, like, opening their doors. Like, he's such a gentleman. And he is a healthy communicator. He's never raised his voice at me, which I know is like, this is like the bars, like in hell, I know. But like, that's big these days. Yes, it is. Like, he is so, like, he's just such an angel. And I know that you don't see that on TV.

Like, Vanderpump Villa is not who he is. Like, I'm telling you, I'm excited for you guys to potentially see another side of him. Yeah, I'm so excited. He seems very sweet and, like, grounded and stuff like that. He has the biggest heart. everyone in the world probably thought rebound messy Jesse. For sure. Even the other women think that at verse two.

Yes, for sure. I will say like Macy is like so opinionated and such a good friend. Like she's so loyal. So when I first started hanging out with him, she was like, what are you doing? And I was like, please just like get to know him. And she did. And she loves him now. Like she manages him.

She is friends with him. We hang out all the time. Jacob loves him. So I think that it was just like a testament to like, please just get to know him. And she did as a good friend. and she loves him. It was the whiplash, because I remember, too, like the early TikToks you guys would do.

Yeah. First of all, I loved it, but the one where he was, like, grabbing you by the, it was watering heights. I mean, hot, but you're like, damn, girl, we went on quickly. We're like, right now we're dating, which is, like, I think the, like, whiplash of it. But then, yeah, you just see someone happy,

and I think so many people are quick to judge when they just see, like, relationship for relationship. But it's like, yeah. But here's the thing, like, leaving the romantic side out of it, just as a friend, he has been, like, the light of my life going through this dark time. Like he has had me crying on his shoulder panic attacks. Like he has seen it all and he's just been there for me.

So even leaving the boyfriend aspect out, like as a friend, I really needed him. And it was fast. And also like we dated, it's been almost six months now since we started talking. I made him wait five months to be official. Like I was like, I cannot commit to you this early because I need to date. And I did. I dated other people. Oh, I needed that.

You know, like I needed to be single for a minute. But then at the same time, how can I deny our connection and why would I not take that up with like, he treats me so well, why would I say no to that? So then I finally got to a point where I was like, okay, it's time. I think it's probably hard to date too because you're so on this huge show. It's like the biggest show. And then obviously you have like small kids. So to find someone like understands that that also gets your celebrity life versus

your like personal. It's not very hard to find. Oh, he has seen it all. Like if he, like people are like he's in it for clout. I'm like he has seen way too much. He would have been gone by now with the kids and the divorce and the craziness. I'm like no, no, no. He's dealt with a lot.

Even being here today at like 10 a.m. on a Sunday. Oh, yeah. So it's like crazy. Yeah. Grace, he's the best. Do you guys have any plans? I know you're busy. I know tomorrow. Are you doing anything today? Are you filming today? No, we're not filming today. Tomorrow, we probably will, but I think we're just going to go to dinner tonight and just, you know, just enjoy it here. Every time we come, we go to La La Land for coffee. That's like my favorite. It's so good.

There's one down the street. There's one five minutes. I'll go again. I'll go. I usually get the perfect latte or the strawberry cloud. What do you get? I get the strawberry cloud, match. It's so good. Oh, the match is really good. Are you a match person? I don't love matcha, but I have tried the La La La Land one and I'm like, okay, that's the best one I've had. They have some, yeah, I was never a matcher person that everyone started drinking a mod. Did we, like, give a bunch of together. Yeah. But it's kind of, it can be good when you have, like, the foams in it and stuff like that.

You have to have the strawberry or something to make it, like, not taste like grass. It's giving Swig. I saw your interview. Who was I seeing? I think it was like Lexus Oakley on TikTok or something. It was asking your swig order. And it was all, like, the, all the, like, English toffee, strawberry, vanilla cream coconut. Every syrup, every syrup, every cream.

I know, it's our vice. Like, it seriously is. Like, it's crazy and it's so normal in Utah. Like instead of coffee, we're going to swig at 8 a.m. It's pathetic. Because why can't you have coffee? So the Mormons, like, don't believe in, like, excess anything. So caffeine, even red meat.

Like, you have to have everything in, like, just not excessively. But for a while, it was, like, no caffeine. Like, no coffee, no soda, even. And now it's evolved. And now soda's, like, the one thing that you can have. And so it's just like everyone goes crazy with it because it's, like, allowed. It seems like, okay, it's a lot of sugar, but, you know, we love. Shout out, Swake for the Pump and cheese.

They send me, like, a little package every month. Oh, I love Swick. They're the best. And the pumpkin cookies are so good. You're going to love those. I'm going in a couple of weeks, and I'm very excited to try. I would love a whole Mormon wives experience. What else is there to do in Utah wall?

People go. I will say, and this is like a shameless plug, but people come to Jay Z because it's only landmark in Utah for Secret Lives. Like, you can't go to Taylor's house, you know, you can't go to like wherever else we film. So like people come in. The street. I was going to say, that might be a new one. Should I give you the address for the street fight?

I'm actually dead. I'll be in my buffer vest. You'll just go out there and stay. Like, I feel the magic. I'm crying. I mean, that's true, though. So are you going to, that salon is you said it's moving. Are you going to keep it?

We're probably going to either rent out the current one or sell it, but then the new one will be like. That's a staple, like you said, so it's hard to do. So people come in, they'll buy merch, they'll get a soda. We have like a soda. They'll get their dirty soda. They'll get their Utah curls. Like, it's kind of become like a thing. It's fun.

The waves you guys. I do love that. It's fun. Or at the airport where you guys were with the signs. So when you land, you'll get to see the spot we were in. We'll put it on the map. I don't know anyone who's like, let's go to Utah. I know everyone's kind of like...

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please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor. Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario Our business woman that way because it's like you gotta keep it going when people leave a show or something I'm like no keep it going for like the brand for all of it and stuff exactly because Jen's on the new season is she filming with you guys Six though still she's been around still like she lives in California now so it's kind of like hit and miss but she's still in the friend group she's still in mom talk so she's like she went on vacation with you guys right? Yeah she did yeah so she'll come around so you'll see more of that the future of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, you think would you do it till season 20? Are you just

good to the long call? Are you ever going to retire? You know what? I don't know because I love it so much and it's not just a show. It's like my real friend group, right? Like it's our real lives and so it's weird to be like well I'd leave because I'm like but those are my friends you know but at the same time like being on reality is hard like it's a lot. It's your life. It's our life and it's so exposed and everyone has opinions. So there are times when I'm like I want to quit just because it's a lot to have the constant opinions and comments but then when you probably can relate to this like you see a lot of the hate online, but when you meet the people in real life, it is the best experience to know you can make someone's day by taking a photo with them. Oh. Like, they cry

sometimes and you're like, what? Like, so I love that you can like help people and like with the stories I've shared. They're like, you've helped me with my divorce. So I love that. But I don't know how long. We'll see. We'll see how hard it gets, you know? I think that's what is the best thing, especially from you is just like your honesty about everything. Thanks. You're very much like, I've been through two divorces. I'm still in therapy. I'm figuring all this out. I'm dating. I'm this. I'm messy. And it's like the realness is what people want. Because everyone's going through that same,

a lot of people are going through the exact same thing and they just want. Someone will relate to it. Exactly. And I think you give like so much like hope poor to people and, you know, you are, you are inspiring so many people. Thank you so much. When you're here, are people recognizing you and stuff when you go? Yeah. Usually.

And how do you deal with it? Are you used to it? Because it's only been two years or are you like, this is weird. You know, it's still a little weird sometimes. I'm more used to it now. But like, I remember the first time I ever like realized our lives were changing. It was maybe two weeks after season. one came out and me and all the girls went to a concert in Salt Lake. And a concert especially is like

like I have been to like Jonas Brothers where like they have to get security for me. Like I just went to Hillary death. They had to get security. Like because that's like if you think about it's the same audience. If you're going to Hillary death, you watch Secret Lives. So I didn't realize but we all went to a concert together and it was like six of us and we got mauled. And that was the first time I was like, oh like this is big. Yes. And so from that point on like it's just kind of stayed that way. And I'm so grateful because if we didn't have the fans, we wouldn't have a job. Like, we wouldn't have this.

But it can, like, sometimes, like, the only time I, like, get a little, like, weird is, like, if I'm with my kids and, like, they're throwing a fit and then someone's trying to talk to me and I'm, like, you know, like, it's hard. Girl, I was literally saying this. We were in a fancy restaurant on Costa Mesa, like, literally two days ago. It was the Capitol Grill. It's my favorite. It's so good.

You guys have one in Salt Lake, yes. But every time I travel, I hit one up. I love it. They're hard to find here. They are like Coast Mesa. Yeah. Oh, my God. So there was one in Coast Mesa, Capital Girl, my favorite.

And I was so excited to eat And then yes, Elvis, our two-year-old is like, she's in a tantrum face right now Would not stop. So I literally am very much like, we have to take her out of here. So I take her out. It's hot. I'm outside of South Coast Plaza Mall, which is like this like fancy mall. You're like sweating and like, sweating.

She is screaming. I really thought like a cop was going to come and be like, is this your child? Yes, I've been there. Yeah. Literally someone's like, Trish, can I get a picture? I was like, she's screaming right now. I can't. I'm so stressed.

And she's like, okay, I was just trying to say I love you. And then you're going to get a TikTok that's like she was such a bitch. parking lots, you know, you don't try not to get the hint by a car. And so I'm like, can get a picture. Like, let me just get the, yeah, the kids, it can be a lot. It's hard. Because you want to focus on your child and it's just like an embarrassing situation. So like, that's, my son's funny, because he's at the age now where if someone comes up and they're

talking to me, he'll like, do you want a photo? And he'll, like, he'll, like, take him. I'm like, he's just used to it now. Malibu gets in the photos. Oh my. She'll stand up behind me and she's like, in the picture. Her moment. Yes. I was like, okay. So it's an interesting thing to navigate. Yeah. Like you said also because people know us so well. It's not like traditional celebrity where they don't know anything about, they know everything

about you. They think they know you. Yes. And so in some capacity they do, but you don't know them. So it's just like a such a different. It's a different thing. It's weird. And I think that that's also why reality or like influence or whatever we do gets so much hate because they know us in and out, whereas a celebrity is more mysterious. Like George Clooney, we don't know much about him. Right. So it's like if I saw him, I would just not even say hi. Whereas the people like us, it's like, they just know us so well from online. And I do love it. Like the relationship we vote with our audience is like so magical and special, but like it can be a lot sometimes. But you know what my favorite thing is? Have you ever gotten a message from someone that's like hateful? Like this is what

happened to me the other day. I got a really bad hateful message from someone. Then they tagged me in a story and I had met them in person and they were so nice. And they tagged me in a story like, love you, but right before that it was hate. So I'm like, you know what? The keyboard warriors, they will say whatever they want online, but to your face, they'll be so nice. Oh my God. That's actually crazy. Yeah. Did you ever write back and be like, what was up with this message? I didn't, but I should have. Like I just try to rise above sometimes, but... That's so interesting. Yeah, I feel like also because, obviously, it's only been two years

that you're getting the hate and the love at the same time and stuff, so it can be a lot. It's like very poor. And especially season, the season. It's like the craziest page of them. I think Michaela's getting a lot now where a lot of people like her, but then hated her before. It's crazy the switch up. Oh my gosh. And the internet, like, that is how it is with anything. Like, the higher you go,

the quicker you fall and like, it's always a back and forth. Like, they changed their mind so quickly. It was like that for Taylor, we're like, we're supporting and then something we can't. And then we're like, oh, but it was at this. Okay. Like, it's so... And it's group think a lot. Like, you see an opinion on TikTok

and then it becomes like Bible, you know? That's very true. And you like don't know someone and everything like that. So it is very fluctuating. But people... The fans love you guys. You are massive.

This is like the biggest show on television right now, which is crazy. So I hope you stay on for as long as possible because I think it's... I think it's helping people too. I think it's... Yeah. This last season was a little messy,

but it was only five episodes. Yeah. Let's hope this redemption is it at five. I'm like, let's just move on from this era and like the next one will be 10 again and we'll be good. Well, we're hoping even, even a Taylor, Frankie Paul, she's like, you know, you guys are going to see, she's hanging up those AI pictures of her and Jesus and we're like, all right, all right all, let's get the healing.

Let's get out of the comments, though. Let's stay on social media. All of us, please, please. If you are a Mormon wife, stay out of the comments. I love this. You are so level-hearted ground. You're also very humble. Thank you for doing this.

I know you did call her daddy. I know you're on the biggest show on who is right now. Oh my gosh. No, this is my dream. I told you. Like, I love being here. I love being here. This is amazing.

I hope I can see when we come up to Utah. I don't know what you're going to be doing in a couple weeks. Text me, seriously. We'll make it work. We'll give you some Utah girls. We'll give you a dirty soda, Utah girls. Yes, all of it. Are you with my Jesse Draper?

Well, you said your last name was something with an N. Well, okay, so my married name to Jordan was Naughty Kara. But Draper's my maiden name, so I'm back to Draper. Okay. Were you not Natikara on the show? I was Nottikara for like the first two seasons. In the fourth season, there's a storyline where like I'm telling Jordan

I want to go by my maiden name again. I'm just telling him selfish a million times. I'm like, awesome. Oh, he was not about it? No, he was not about it. No, I'm Trisha Pettas. I'm like very much keeping the name. That's my native name.

And it's like. And you started with it. Yeah. I was like, no, we're gonna, we can be married, but I'm Trishapis. But when you create a name for yourself, you kind of have to keep it. Like, even if I got married again, like, Jesse Draper brunette. I'm just kidding. Who knows?

Who knows? But I will always keep Draper. Like, I have to. It's my name now. Guys, Jesse Draper. Just queen of everything. We love you so much. Thank you for having.

Check her out. The new season, Secret Lives in Mormon Wives, Season 5, Crazy, season 6 is coming. I'm sure season 7's right behind. You can't miss it. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for helping me. This was so fun, you guys.

Dream accomplished. Oh my God, that's crazy. You're the dream, guys. Thank you so much.