Just Trish - Meeting VanillaMace + Tana & Brooke Clap Back At CANCELLED Feud Rumors...

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Trisha got to meet her hero, Gerard Way, and now Oscar finally met his: VanillaMace. Plus, Tana and Brooke clap back at feud rumors as fans speculate the REAL reason why 'CANCELLED' is coming to an end. And the pendulum effect is in full swing as Sabrina Carpenter faces backlash for being too sexy while Doja Cat gets called out by a TikToker.  💖🪩THANK YOU TO CHIME FOR SPONSORING THIS EPISODE!💖🪩 Get started today at https://chime.com/TRISH. Chime. Feels like progress. 💖🪩THANK YOU TO SEATGEEK FOR SPONSORING THIS EPISODE!💖🪩 Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/TRIS... Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $25 discount https://justtrish.com Sponsor Just Trish: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/just-trish-podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Visit your local Chevrolet dealer for details. That's what we saw. We said there was no influencers this year, but it's like okay. I'll probably go in next season so People who like our church and like very like the church says this and we're anti this that's giving me demon vibes because People being so nasty throwing tomatoes. I'm bothering no one and everyone's talking about me. Everyone's doing this and I was just like what the hell. Hello, welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. Summer is here. Summer's here.

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Our most popular tier is our two video a week tier where you get extended podcasts. Plus you get about an hour and a half of me and Oscar just, I was gonna say Shane. I was gonna say Shane for a minute it's you turn into Shane during the patreon for some reason Shane 2012 I always say that I watch them that's how much I love them they're so fun to watch and I love watching them we're so fun we just we had Cheesecake Factory and what do we watch we watched we did reality house but this Saturday is a very, very special. Thank you. Anniversary.

Yes. Of toxic gossip train. It is the two year anniversary of toxic gossip train and we reacted to it. And honestly, I don't know if I saw the full thing ever. You didn't either. I was shook by it. I forgot we did that. Yes.

It's a special two year anniversary and then we reacted to some other bad apology videos. So it was a key. I don't know if I've seen any, it's a key. I don't know if I've seen any of those and we have so much more. You had a playlist of YouTuber apologies. I think we only did the girls. Yes, we only did some of the girls.

I do want to see the guys. There's a lot more in there. Yes, but I, we did Laura Lee too. Yes. Which I remember reacting to and I was being so aggressive about it but I don't know if I actually ever watched it. Very you.

I just remember everyone was mad about it so I was like, F you Laura Lee. Even though like at the time I was making so aggressive about it, but I don't know if I actually ever watched it. I just remember everyone was mad about it, so I was like, F you, Lory. Even though at the time I was making 20 apology videos, so I don't know what the hell I was on about. You really were. Every week you were speed running an apology. I'm like, okay. But then I loved dogpiling.

That's the problem, see, that's what you, you get what you put out to the world. Because then as soon as someone would dogpile on an apology, I would too, as if I had some authority to be like, wow, that was awful. I don't know, it was very weird. Although I do have some authority now critiquing the apology videos

because I've made quite a few so I can tell when they're genuine or not. Like even Laura Lee, people dogpiled on her and yeah, like the crying was like a much, but kind of felt for her. I had a little sympathy. Yeah, she had points in there. Yeah, heart was, I think, in the right place,

but delivery was terrible. That heart, yeah, that was crazy. Who else did we do? We did Colleen, Lorelei. There was one more, why am I forgetting? Oh, that girl we didn't know, the one who danced her apology. Oh, that one was something.

Yeah, so TikTokker who had essay allegations against Jack Wright, or Jack Wright had alleged that she essayed him, and then she did a dance apology. She did a dance apology, which I had never seen before. Me either. It was almost like they were toxic gossip trained, but then we weighed out the crimes versus the apology and we're like, well, I think the crimes outweighed,

the toxic gossip trained crimes out, not in any way other than there was like underage people involved with the toxic gossip training. Yeah, but all, those two were historically terrible. The apologies too, because the crimes, I don't wanna say crimes, I guess maybe alleged crimes, I don't know, are so serious and so much. You know, it wasn't like, uh, I can't say anything's little, but like, you know, some people apologize for like, I guess they're all. Jenna Marbles with the,

she apologized because she had fish in a, in a circular tank and she had did an apology video for that. So in comparison, we didn't watch out. So right. There are some serious, you know, allegations and the way they responded with the singing and the dancing. Yeah, Jenna Marbles being more sincere and heartbroken for having like a circular tank for her fish versus having like essay allegations or child grooming allegations and then singing and dancing her way through it is kind of crazy. Also, Gaslighting. I just, I don't know. Go check it out. I don't want to like, everyone's like, try us that year with a drama. I mean, we have a drama podcast.

We do it a couple hours a week. I don't know, just to tell you. It was, it was, yeah. Someone's got to keep it going, because everyone is tapping out a drama these days. My god. We really need us, we need Judge Trish now more than ever. That is so true.

Everyone is falling. Everyone is falling. I'm telling you, we're going to hit our stride. Give me until I'm like 40, and then it's me just Trish now more than ever. That is so true. Everyone is falling, everyone is falling. I'm telling you, we're gonna hit our stride. Give me until I'm like 40 and then it's gonna be like, I'll win the lottery by then, I'll still do this, don't worry, but then I can really, you know, just give my realness, you know what I mean?

Because sometimes you just wanna give the realness, but yeah, you're right, I mean, it's just fun. Everyone needs a little toxic gossip in their life. It's funny to laugh at now, but I remember watching it, I was like, oh, we were talking about that era. And I was like, God, it was rough. It was triggering. I was spiraling.

It was summer. Summer always hits the fan. As we have the summer, we have great stuff happening. Baby, your birthday. There's just a lot happening. So this summer is wonderful. Summer of peace. We do have. Hopefully. Well, hopefully, yeah.

I mean, the world is a little upside down, but maybe no drama this year. Here's hoping, yeah. Yeah, but we're still here. Yep. OK. You're wearing jorts. I wish I would have worn my jorts.

I wish I had the men in white. I would have worn it today. I know. I think I started wearing jorts ironically because I've run Chicken Fry and Jortscape. But now I think I started wearing jorts ironically because of Brown Chicken Fry and Jortscape. And now I think I just like jorts. So yeah. I love it. And was it Tana that was wearing the jorts?

Jorts, yeah. So I guess I'm Tana in that sense. And being a biphobia too. I love it. We're just wearing jorts in support, which I love to see. The shirt's great. Moses has a new shirt

Not from Amazon No, this this cost And like 20 times more than my Amazon shirt Father's Day gift to you. Oh, there was a thing inside That's when I lose him he gets mad at me What he always does matter if I like buy him stuff cuz he's always just like like last night He said we should just go shopping together for my, but I mean that's not presents then if I go with you to like buy stuff together, right? You have to like

buy it for the person. That's the whole point of a present. But the gift is us together having the time, the date to go and shop together. No, because you just would go to Uniqlo. You would never go into Saxon Avenue, which is where I got the shirt. You would never want to go in there. It was from the White Lotus collection. I was so excited about it. I thought it was giving White Lotus. Yes, and it was the official White Lotus tag was on there. It was Saks Fifth Avenue's clam.

This is like the Italian, I think you said it's season two? Yeah, Sicily. Wow. I didn't know. I thought it was the Thailand one. That was my bad, because we love the Thailand one, but it still looks good. It's giving summer with the lemons. Yeah, and I we don't know what father's day. Yeah, there's my dad mug I got for

Moses it was you know, it was a wild Father's Day, yes she The kids had a little bit of meltdown, but you know We were trying to get to the pool all day and never really happened. Honestly, my girls want to be in the AC I'm like there's nothing wrong with that I can't fault them for that We tried we had the swimsuits on them. She loved the swimsuit but didn't wanna get the pool so we just put her in the bathtub in a swimsuit.

I was like, well, we had the pool all heated. Moses gets most excited for a pool day. Like he loves it, he was blowing up the toys for them but it didn't quite work out. But anyways, happy Blade of Hallows Day to everyone out there. Did you spend time with your dad yesterday and your new puppy? Did you? Yeah, your dad yesterday? And your new puppy? Did you?

Yeah, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, yesterday I was with the Creators for Peace crew. Oh yes, how'd that go? It was really fun, yeah. They raised so much money for Point of Pride and it was really sweet because it was all for like trans affirmative care and everything and they even had all these little like cards of trans people that they've helped and they were like

reading their like stories throughout the the whole stream and they raised when I left they raised like almost $20,000. And I feel like it's probably more after. In like one afternoon? Yeah which is crazy. That's amazing. So were you guys all in one location? Yeah I was all at the Try Guys studio. How's that?

It was scheduled like throughout the day. So I was in one of the earlier ones. But I stayed around for a while because I was just having a key. You had fun? Yes, it was really fun. Oh, good. Everyone was really sweet.

Everyone was like, oh, we really love Trish. Aw. Yeah, they were so nice. People say that to me about you and me too at shows. Everyone's like, we love Oscar. I love it. That's so cute. It was really fun.

I saw Austin's show was there and I was having a key with him and his boyfriend. First time meeting? Yeah, we've been Oomfies for a long time. That was our first time actually meeting. He was so nice. He was like, oh yeah, like I moved to West Hollywood.

So like we should finally do something. And I'm like, yeah, like we really need a collab. And he's like, well, I kind of just meant like brunch, but yeah, that too. I love a brunch. I was like, work, okay. Oh, you should go to a brunch. My friend Austin's show, yeah. I love a brunch. Me too. That's so fun. Oh my god. He was so nice. At the Abbey would you go or where? I think his house. Oh at the house. I thought his house but yeah

maybe he meant like out on the at the WeHo bars. Yeah yeah. That'd be so fun. That would be hamburger Mary's or something. Oh yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. That would be so fun. When's the last time you went to a brunch out in West Hollywood? A long time. even West Hollywood in general. I was supposed to go out last week cause Darian's friends were in town and they went to, I think beaches or something cause our friend Evan was having like a as if party, the one that like Misha Spice hosted before.

And I was like too depressed to go. So he went with his friends and guess who was there? Cat's Eye was there. Like just dancing. Just dancing to Gnarly for fun. And I was like damn I really should have rallied and gone. You gotta say yes to things. That was a big, a big sign from the universe to like. Cause that would have cured your depression. Honestly what up. That's so true. Yeah. And I also was supposed to do a shoot with Cat's Eye I think this week at some time, but I can't do it anymore. What?

I know. Why? Can you tell us or not? Why? I'm laughing just because it's, because my grandpa is dying, so I think I'm busy this week, yes. And I'm only laughing cause I was like a nervous tick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, so yeah, and that was like, that was my silver lining, cause there was so much shit up this month, and I'm like, at kick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, and that was like, that was my silver lining because there was so much shit up this month and I'm like, at least I might see Cat's eye and then yeah, so I can't do it. And then I miss them again, I miss them again. And then they're doing a signing at the Grove that I tried to get into, but then it sold out.

Anyway, whatever. You're gonna meet and I keep using this word, I hope I'm using it right, in a kismet way. Like it's like a meant to be way because that's how I was a dried way, I kept missing him too. Yes. You'll meet somehow in a betterismet way. Like it's like a meant to be way. Cause that's how I was a drug way. I kept missing him too. Yes. You'll meet somehow in a better way.

When the time is right. Yes. When the timing's right. Uh huh. In a different circumstance. She's not meant to be right now and that's okay. That's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, but I did meet Vanilla Mace. I was gonna ask that. Yes. That's why I wanted to go there because she had responded to our. Half of our comments. Huh? Half of our comments have been that.

I know. About the meeting? Yeah, like cause you mentioned he's gonna meet her. Half of the comments were like bring her on the podcast. I know. Oh, the meeting? Yeah, like, because you mentioned he's going to meet her. I saw the comments where like, bring her on the podcast. I know. Okay, I got it. Okay. I think I downplayed it last time we talked about her that I actually do like love her,

but I was like, and then I saw she responded to our last podcast and I was kind of like, I wish I would have like said more like, I do think she's so iconic. Like I didn't know she vlogged, but I do think she's iconic. And I was just like, damn, I know she's like the it girl right now. So I'm not even trying to like, yes, me too. You know what I mean? But I was, okay, tell me. Oh my god. Did you meet on stream?

Yeah, so she was in a segment like right after mine, like she was like literally the part right after me. So I was walking out after mine, and then I had to like pass the mic on, and then I saw her, and then I saw that she reacted to us, so I'm like, she at least knows my face, so I'm like, huh, and then like I give her a hug, and it was like, it's so nice to meet you.

And then I panicked. I'm like. Oh no! We're panickers over here. We literally, we're the same. I literally started bowing. I didn't know what else to do. I was like, Queen.

I'm like, everyone else, I was so cool. Like me and Austin Shaw, I'm like, you know, that's my sis Austin. Like everyone else, I was so calm, so cool. It was like no big deal. But then I mace I was like I just I panicked and started bowing I don't know I didn't know what to do she's just like everything Did you get a picture? No one was taking like photos so then I had Darian come with me to like and he was carrying my camera to like take photos because I assumed everyone would be like selfies and stuff. Everyone was just like too cool, I think. Maybe you just didn't see it happening.

I bet people were taking it. I was in the mix the whole time and no one was doing it. That's so weird. A content day. World probably everyone's like, this is a day for a picture with this person. You know, that was like the whole thing. I think because it's such a small, it was like a small set. So smaller than this?

I mean, bigger than this, but like it was live. So we couldn't even, like it was, we had to kind of be like quiet and like sneak off in little rooms and stuff. And it was kind of hard to like get photos and literally no one was taking photos. So she, when you go, when she comes in to swap the mic you're live, you're streaming. Yeah, it's like there's no commercial breaks.

Like it's just a live transitions, like one group exiting another group coming in. Is there screenshots? It's like a feliton like a. Yes, yeah. We were off camera cause I was like off camera meeting her. Yes. And then, but she was like so,

just like the sweetest ever. She was so nice. And then afterwards, she did, she stuck around. I think she did two or three segments just because she was like down for whatever. And then we were, I was just standing in the hallway with Austin. And then she came to like eat a snack and we were, we were just making random small talk. What did she eat?

She ate this donut and she didn't really like it and I could tell her, I was like, oh, she's not feeling it. I was really trying to like, obviously, I'm the sassy gay friend, you know? Oh, you said that? You talked to? You're like, you're not feeling that donut, girl. Yeah, but I was like, I need to be gay.

I don't know, I just felt it. I was like, I need to be gayer than ever. I was like, oh shit. But that is a good go-to. I would say that for me, if you're ever questioning coming up to me, just be like super gay and I'm like, I love this person, you know, yeah. This is panic.

Yeah. I literally, like, she was the one person I was like panicked over. I was like, I was just not feeling it. She's like, yeah, I don't know, there's something about this. I'm like, I see it. I'm like, I think it's one of those healthy vegans comments or whatever. Oh, was it?

I think it kind of was. It was like gluten-free or something. I don't know. But yeah, we had a little key over that. I love it. Did, was it? I think it kind of was. It was like gluten free or something. I don't know. But yeah, we had a little key over that. I love it. Did she put it back or she threw it out? She went to try a different donut. Oh, I love that.

And then she wasn't feeling that one either. So yeah. I love that. I think that's the first video I ever saw of her is trying a donut in her car. Wait, yesterday? You've never seen that one? No, in general.

That's the first time I ever saw her online. What was she trying? I didn't see that one. She was just taking a bite of a donut and suddenly her face laid up and she's like, you know, transformed into another dimension. She's like a donut connoisseur. She really, okay. She was like a TikTok snack, you know.

Oh, I love. What donuts would we get if she was here? What's like the ultimate donut? California donuts is what I think of. That's in K-Town though. That's pretty far. Is there a good donut place around here? I don't know.

I don't know either. Your mom kind of, I feel like your mom would know. Your mom always has a Winn-Jules. But I love a Winn-Jules. I love a Winn-Jules. I love a Winn-Jules. I love a Winn-Jules. I love a Winn-Jules. I there a good donut place around here? I don't know. I don't know either. Your mom kind of, I feel like your mom would know. Your mom always has a donut. But I love a Wichelt's donut but that's where she's going. Bank of Buns has like donuts right now. Did someone send you donuts one time? The cinnamon rolls. Oh cinnamon rolls yes. Which would be so cute too. Also there's one in Vegas, those ones that they sent us to the show,

lottery. I forgot what they're called. They're so good too. Also there's one in Vegas, those ones that they sent us to the show, lottery, I forgot what they're called. They're so good too, Holly Madison sent them to me. We'd have to get them with her face on it or something. She is a dream guest, but I do get nervous when there's this really popular girl. She makes me very nervous. Even like, I did feel validated though, because I was talking to Frogan who was there too,

and she was like, no, I saw her at, I think Jake Webber's birthday party or something, and she was like no like I saw her I think tar or Jake Webber's birthday party or something and she was like I was too scared to go up to her so I was like that's validating that she is just even though she's so nice and cool it's just an intimidating presence because everyone loves her and I don't want to be like it so many people growing up and asking for collabs and stuff so I was too scared to be like oh come on the podcast so I'm just gonna talk about her here it's like I spice will win a couple years later yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean she's always gonna be that girl but you know on the podcast. I'm just gonna talk about her here. It's like, I spice with a couple years later. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, she's always gonna be that girl, but you know what I mean? Yeah, I feel that way too. Especially because she's real, and sometimes I think of myself as real, but I'm not as real as that, so I feel like sometimes real recognizes fake and be like, this is fake, you know what I mean?

So I'm just scared about that. I feel real, but not compared to her. Yes. She's very real, she's IRL. IRL, is that the right way to use it? Well, sort of kind of, yeah, I guess. In real life, she's very real she's IRL IRL is that the right way in real life she's real life I always see IRL I just thought that meant like you're real like I'm real I real it was people it used to be people that's dreaming real life like people oh why don't say, you know,

I might take this is so not a hot topic and no one cares, but my FYP right now is um, like biblical AI. Have you seen those? Wait, really? Oh my God. It's like Bible characters blocking and it looks so real. Oh, actually did see one. Which one did you see? Um, I think it was Moses. I was tagged on Moses. I probably reposted the Moses like, Hey guys, what's up? It's Moses here. Like, and they go through the events. So I learned about all these people. I learned about Job the other day. I didn't know about him where all his stuff was taken away and then was restored.

He's like, yo, God gave me back a whole new set of kids. And I was like, oh, so that makes me want to know the story. Jonah was inside the whale and then got spit up. He's like, yo, the whale just spit me up. But I guess that's the Uber, bro. But they all say the same thing on these. They all say like, yo, what's up, chat? We're going through like whatever.

So what is chat? Like everyone always says, hey, chat, I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room.

I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat room. I'm going to be in the chat bro. But they all say the same thing on these. They all say like, yo, what's up, chat? We're going through like whatever. So what is chat? Like everyone always says, hey, chat, like. In Twitch when they stream, so they read the chat. So the chat is the people, all the people that watch and contribute.

Because I watched Eve, Adam and Eve, and she's like, hey, chat, God just created me. And everyone's like, but there are no other people watching. And I thought, what a plot hole that was in the AI system. Because she was talking to the chat and I was like, what is that? Got it. So someone's typing, we have that. We have a chat during the live. Moses is always in it. He's always in the chat. So you would say it. I just make sure people are. But when people are vlogging, how are they saying, hey chat? It's kind of just used to like talk to the viewers now.

Like it's used more loosely and sometimes ironically too. Like there's no chat happening. Yeah, like sometimes people just write on their Instagram store like, hey chat, what do you think this is? Like, I don't know. It's like, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm gonna start using it

because all my Bible bloggers do that. You can't. It's so good. You have to get on that TikTok. I don't know. That'd be funny. It's so, they're so real. Like the Moses one looks so real. I sent it to him. I was like, oh my God, that's so good. You have to get on that TikTok. I don't know. That'd be funny. It's so, they're so real. Like the Moses one looked so real.

I sent it to him. I was like, oh my God, that's so crazy. He's like, yeah, so Pharoah said no. So it looks like we're gonna have to escape tonight. Like it's so good the way they, I don't know, it seems real. And then all the comments are always like, this has to be real because AI wasn't invented back then. And I'm like, I love, I love TikTok comments.

It's my favorite thing that I'm on right now, which is why I never have any hot topics anymore. Can I just scroll through that and find it? Cause now there's like George Washington ones, but they're not as good as the Bible ones, but it is, it is good. All right, so chat and IRL. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode.

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Really? That's a new thing people are saying. Whose book was, someone's book was called like, maybe it was Joey Graceffa's book was called like IRL in real life. I think the book he came out and was yeah. Was it a memoir? Yeah. I like 23.

Yeah. I remember Connor Franta. All those people were coming out with memoirs and I was just like, what are they wrote about? I should we should do book club and read them. Honestly T. Yeah. Remember someone gave you Gen X Penn's memoir to give to me. Oh yeah. Did you read it? I skimmed through it, but I haven't sat down or read it.

So I should actually sit down and read it. Yeah. She's a little older now, so she could have had a good or is it an older book? It's no it was when she was like a teenager. I think yeah, I think she was like 19. That is so crazy like they were all getting book deals back then. They must have the same agents that were just giving them book deals. I think so yeah. Or the same publisher or something was just like who's a popular YouTuber. That's so true because everyone was getting them and I was like, how are they? same publisher or something was just like, who's a popular YouTuber? That's so true, because everyone was getting them and I was like, how are they, why are they getting them?

Got it. Should be interesting to read. I want to read Joey's at 23. Like what was his, I guess he had some stuff with his mom and being closeted and stuff, so. Yeah. Love that. Love a coming out story.

I do, I do love one. Who was I researching the other day and someone was... Oh, we have a guest coming up that was talking about his coming out story. I won't spoil it, but thanks to someone we know on the show. Did you have to come out? Did we talk about this? Did I have to come out? Yeah, no. No, no I didn't. Honestly, yeah me too. Your parents were didn't. Love that. Honestly, yeah, me too. Your parents were just like, one day you just started like,

how did it, nothing, or do they know? I think everyone kind of just knew. I think everyone had a sneaking suspicion since I was maybe a little taut, yeah. Wow, so you never had to be like, hey guys, I'm gay. No, I never had like a coming out story or anything. Yeah, I, the first time I ever got addressed was when my first Yeah, I um, the first time it ever got addressed was when I, my first boyfriend

and I was, that was 2019. So I was like 27 or something or 28. And then my mom was like, oh so you have a boyfriend? I was like, yeah, because she follows me on Instagram. So I think she just saw my Instagram. Oh, that's cute. Easy. Love that. It was super easy. Yeah. That's why I always hope like my kids generation, I hope they don't feel like they have to be like, I'm gay. I know, I'm very privileged to have that kind of family that's just like, okay, work. Yeah, I love that. I love that so much.

It just was never a thing, luckily. It does make a good memoir, but I like it. You're so right, Dan. You're not getting that book deal based on that, but at least you had a healthy family. I love it. Damn, yeah, not enough gay trauma. That's good though.

Yeah, yeah. We should normalize that too, it's just having a normal life, you know? Normal, that's such a bad word to use. You know, one day you might be on UK Big Brother and Switch, they'll just have a whole book to write about it. True, oh my gosh, could you imagine? The thought makes me a little... Have you just started dating a girl?

Yeah. You know, bisexuality is a thing. It is a thing. I just don't think that's me, but you know. You never know. I really don't. I guess you do. Some people know. I don't know. Although JoJo thought she knew too, so I don't know how though Jojo thought she knew it to you, so I don't know yeah That doesn't scare me. She's young

Gotta explore. That's what I tell everyone just explore everything So I said, well, okay, cuz you gotta explore a little bit. Yeah, never really know I Never really know you're just like, you know, don't know where life takes you But life takes here. So I love that vanilla mace was cool. I love that. That was your, who's your fave? My fave that I saw there? Yeah. Did you get to meet anyone else? Oh my gosh, yeah. I saw, I mean, everyone was so nice. Frogan, Emma Langevin. I'm pronouncing your last name wrong, Emma. I'm so sorry. But she was there. Amanda Todd Hunter, who I love too, was there. HGH Hayes was there, he's like a music reactor

and he's really cool. The music reactor. Oh, Vivianne Wilson was there, I love her. Oh, she is so fierce. Oh my god. She's just fierce, I'm sorry. When you're, she's just kind of a girl, she feels like a model.

I don't know how else to say it. When I'm next to her, I feel like I'm next to someone famous. I don't know how else to say it. Like when I'm next to her, I feel like I'm next to someone famous. Like, I don't know. Like she has, she exudes it. She's very nice, but she's just fierce. I don't know. She was sitting next to me on the couch. She's like, Diva, what's the wifi? And I'm like, girl, there's literally a giant sign right there. That's me all the time. What's the wifi?

And everyone's like, it's right there. She's just like, it was fierce. I love that. Yes. You always got to ask what the wifi is. That's a must. She was killer. She was a key. Everyone was, she did a little drag performance too

at the end. It was a key. Will Neff was there. How long did you stay for? A while. I think I left like a four. Wow. And I got there at like 11.45.

But you said you had to be quiet. So what were you doing? Being loud in the back. Oh, were you gonna tell me to be quiet? Yeah, that'd be cute. Did you mean the try guys? No, I don't, no, I think they were either before me or at the very end.

And only, I think it was only two of them. I don't, I forget which ones. Isn't that all that's left anyways? I think there's like three or four, no? Or maybe three. I think they're off. I think they all fell off except for two. Really?

Yeah. Damn. One left, cause Eugene, right, is that his name? He was like the third, cause the one, the cheater. Eugene left? Yeah. Damn. One left, cause Eugene, right, is that his name? He was like the third, cause the one, the cheater. Eugene left? Yeah. Oh. He left like maybe a year ago.

Damn, what? Yeah, cause it was like the cheater left first, alleged, I don't know. I think proven, yeah. The proven cheater left, and then Eugene left, cause he was like trying to leave, but he didn't know the right time. So I think there's only two, the two with the glasses,

which you'd fit in. You should be the third try guy. Damn, yeah. You look like them, you could be a try guy. I love, do I love trying time. I think there's only two, the two with the glasses, which you'd fit in. You should be the third try guy. Damn, yeah. You look like them. You could be a try guy. I love, do I love trying things? I guess I do like trying things, yeah. You should be on it, go apply.

Should they be taking applicants? That'd be so cute, oh my God. That'd be crazy, but I need three jobs. J-T-E-T, or T-G. T-G, yeah. Oh my God, well that's exciting, I hope you get that. The job you just made up for me. Yeah. Love,G, yeah. Oh my God, well that's exciting. I hope you get that. The job you just made up for me. Yeah, love, okay, work.

Would be great. Yeah, I guess I never really watched the Try Guys, so I'm not really familiar with their- That's better then, you don't feel intimidated. Honestly, yeah, to you. I love doing things like I've never seen before, because then I'm like, well, I don't really know about this show anyway, so.

And then you get it, and then you don't feel as nervous. Because the thing I auditioned for last week, I know really well, and I think I was so nervous. As opposed to the thing I auditioned for earlier in the year, I didn't really know. Mistakes felt lower. Yeah, I was like, I don't know. But this show, I was like, this is everything.

So I think I kind of flubbed it up, but. I think one of the hottest topics, I think, was Sabrina Carpenter's new album art, which came out last week, but the discourse has gone on for days and days and days. I know. Moses actually was like telling us what last Hot Topics that Wednesday, he's like, Sabrina Carpenter has a new album.

I know, I was just like, work. I didn't see the discourse yet. I didn't either. I didn't think anything of it, to be honest. When I saw the picture, I knew the discourse was coming. Oh, you knew? What did you think? You were like, this is,

oh, not the straw with no water in there. No, you brought your water. Okay. I was like, you tricked me. I was like, wow, we got a straw for me today. No, but you just do it for the monkey. Okay. I'll go for this.

Actually, I love this holly pot for real. I know it's sponsored today, but this is tasting like sparkling cider. You like holly pot? I like the cream soda holly pot. We actually need a fridge of them. They don't sell this holly pot, but we got them at the store and they're so good. The crisp apple is so good. It is not sponsored. Well, it is sponsored today but so good. We actually like them too. They taste like, they taste like them. Yeah, why do you think the discord? You saw that and you were like, oh my gosh, it's going to

be, it's going to be in news. It's going to be hot topics. I wouldn't have thought anything of it. The picture was provocative. I guess it is. I guess when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it either. I was like, work. And then, yeah, but I think a majority of the internet did think it was very provocative. The album is called Man's Best Friend and the main cover art, she is like on all fours with a man pulling her hair. And a legend man. True.

People are suspecting it could be Sabrina in a suit if you pull out, they think it's gonna be her. Oh, okay. Work. That's what I had seen, I was like, okay. Love, and then the second album art was like a photo of her dog's collar and this has man's best friend on it. So like, my thinking was just like, oh,

it's kind of like a play on feeling like men can probably think of her like, oh, just like a, what is like the female dog called a b****? So people thinking, men thinking in relationships, she can just be like the b**** or whatever, and then being kind of like subversive. But everyone was really offended by. What was the offense? That the main argument that I saw on TikTok

was Sabrina Carpenter is like setting women back. It's like Sydney Sweeney, Bonnie Blue, Sabrina Carpenter. They're setting women back. That's crazy to put Bonnie Blue in that category. I know. I'm like, what the hell is going on? Bonnie Blue is having sex with like a thousand men. It does. And like unprotected. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's getting kicked off a web. Sabrina and like Sydney are selling like a fantasy.

Sabrina and like Sinead are selling like a fantasy. Yeah, well also I'm so confused by it too. Basically it's like that she's selling this idea of being like very like submissive in relationships and you know like the Juno Sex Positions on tour. She sings about sex. She did the cover of Rolling Stone that got announced the same week and on the cover she's like seemingly nude and she has like long hair

kind of covering like her butt and her boobs. Yeah. So basically it's everyone saying that she is catering to like the male gaze and it's not like a good feminist image and like young girls look up to her but she I don't know where this came from because she literally has five music videos where she sings about killing men like there's literally five videos where she like kills men and she's like the man eater who won't like cater to men. So I don't understand where this idea that she's like submissive and only cares about like being seen by men.

I don't know where it came from. All her songs are like anti that. Yeah, I don't really get that either. The argument of like her, cause like I feel like especially feminists being like, it's like, isn't that the whole point of the argument of like her, because like, I feel like especially feminists being like, it's like, isn't that the whole point of feminism is to be like naked? Because like, why do men get to be like topless

and we can't, you know what I mean? So it's like, I feel like these feminists are sending feminism back, you know what I mean? Because it's like, you should be able to be naked in general, well, but also topless at least, like why is it a big deal? She's topless, but like guys can be topless on billboards. Like I just, I hate that so much. No, it's very weird too, because it's also like the same group of people get really

excited when Bad Bunny is taking an underwear photo and literally Twitter is going crazy zooming in on his balls. Is he cut or uncut? Like, and everyone wants him to post like more thirst traps. Sean Mendez does like Calvin Klein underwear ads and everyone's like dead over that. Benson Boone is in his little speedo with the American flag on it doing backflips. Everyone eats that up. But I'm like, but why are we mad at Sabrina?

And also she literally only has like three songs that are like about sex in like the past two albums. So I don't know why all because of the Juno positions. Which is also, I feel like a very feminist thing because like guys can talk about sex and be sexual but I feel like it can't do it. Like why can't we talk about sex? Like it's so weird.

It's so weird and she kind of, because in Rolling Stone she got asked about like the, um, how she feels about the criticism about her singing about sex or whatever. She's like, honestly, I only, I don't really do it that much. It's just the times I do it is when it gets the most popular. So that seems like a problem on the consumer basically, which is true because how does she get famous from the nonsense outros where she was like being cheeky about like sex or whatever. And then that kind of made, that made, went really viral.

And then the Juno positions also went viral throughout the tour. And there was one time on April Fool's where she didn't do it. And then she got hate for not doing a sex position. So it's like, wait, but the, you guys are making it viral. I know that's what people want to see. Yeah, and we like crape like out like also like as a woman and you're like, oh my god That's what we wanted. You know what I mean?

Cuz it's giving that like I don't know power back to be like we can also talk about sex You know what I mean? Like I don't know. And also cutesy. I don't know like the fact that she did like an Eiffel Tower position I was like girl go off. You know what I mean? That's funny. Yeah, it was so funny and so cute. And it's just like, yeah, any other guys, you're just like, I know. It's so weird to me. I don't know why people got so upset about it.

And honestly, to me, I'm like, it's just more of like, the pendulum effect, I think, because like, it's literally a year ago, the thing everyone loved about her is now the thing everyone hates about her. And it's like, what the hell? It's not what Chaploo, too. Like, her outspokenness is what I like and then Yeah, yeah, actually no, the punch effect is real. It's very real

I know I hate it so much just like okay I feel like people are just like really mad at like the state of the world and then which makes sense obviously But then I feel like we're taking out on the wrong Really the women setting like her setting women back and not like the people in power obviously, but then I feel like we're taking out on the wrong thing. Yeah, let's not take it on Sabrina Carpenter. Really, the women setting, like her setting women back and not like the people in power who are taking away women's rights. I think they are setting women back more than Sabrina Carpenter. It really made me upset.

I was like, what? Because it's literally, almost all the comments I saw were like opposed to this like album art. And I'm like, yeah, it's supposed to be provocative and get people talking, but why would you think it's like submissive? There's nothing in Sabrina's catalog where she like caters herself to man. Like she has a song called Good Graces that is like a kiss is cute. Bye bye. If you add this up, I'm going to hook up with your favorite athlete and make your life miserable.

I love it. You know the lyrics. Is this a new one or short and sweet? It was from short and sweet, yeah. So yeah, she's all about, and she obviously leaves when she's treated like shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's so odd. I know. That's why.

Like you said, maybe people just want somebody to be upset with, but I don't know if Sabrina's the one that needs him. Totally, and I get to, maybe it's almost like too soon for her to do like two new albums Like back-to-back like one year apart But I like that is that people are saying that's so funny I will see people were complaining because like like oh this sounds just like all the other Sabrina Carpenter songs So I'm like, well, first of all, her new era was just a year ago

So obviously it's gonna be a little similar and then she probably had like so much material after like Barry that she's like damn Hold on. I got another 10 songs in me You know people are mad because it's like with a man child like well, it's not espresso But it's like well, okay, do you want it to sound the same or do you want it to sound different? Yeah It's so odd. I like that she's just really seeing another album so quick though She's like honestly like people used to do this like Dolly Parton used to release albums like every year I have stuff to write about, so why not? Because I remember in the past the issue was she didn't have enough songs.

Yeah. When the tour started, like something like it was short, there was not enough songs to even sing. True. Yeah, because she ignored, well she doesn't like her older music from her older label. So she only likes emails like Hanson, Short and Sweet, and now Man's Best Friends. Oh what, she doesn't like them or what? I think she just doesn't feel like she identifies

with that music anymore. Because. What was it about? It was, honestly it wasn't like, I think sonically it was probably just not her style now, and also like, it's from her old label. And she got more artistic control when she switched record labels, like with emails that can't send and now short and sweet.

So, and honestly the fact that it took her like a decade to like pop off shows that like, you know, that her label didn't know what to do with her. Yeah. I do love the Short and Sweet album, it's so good. What a Grammy, right? Yes, it did, right, yeah. Yeah.

And Emails I Can't Send is like one of my favorite albums too. I listened to that more than Short and Sweet, honestly. Really? Yeah. What's that one about? Honestly, it has, I mean, it has nonsense, so that's like the sexy song in it. Oh, got it, got it.

It has Feather, which is like the screw men song. It has a song about her dad cheating on her mom. Oh, geez, oh my God, it's like deep then. It is pretty deep. Love it. I think she's like a good, does she write her songs? Yeah. That's amazing.

Yeah, she has like co-writers, obviously, but she does like, yeah. And she said. Yeah, she has like co-writers obviously, but she does, yeah. And she said this song, this album is because she was like so inspired and the songs were just like felt easy to write so that's why she's making a new album. But did she say the song wasn't about Barry Kogan or was that a joke? Remember she said like, oh his first name rhymes with, it was like someone else's name. Oh for Man Child? Yeah. Yeah And I think too, I interpreted man child is probably just like a combination of like every guy that she's dated. Because that's kind of like the music video. She goes through a lot of men that are like similar in a way. Like they look different, but they end up having like similar problems. That's how I perceived it.

Because she also had a line about like the guy, like the guy's mom or something. And people were like, it wouldn't be about Barry because he was like in an orphanage so she wouldn't like write a line about Barry's mom which makes sense. Right, right, right. So I think it's probably a combination of- Oh my god, was he an orphanage? That's so sad. I think so, yeah. Or he didn't have a mom so I- Oh my gosh. I don't think she would be writing about that. Right, right, right. Because how would she know who the mom is if he didn't know?

Like tea, yeah. Yeah, whole thing. Yeah. That's crazy. Wow. So I think it's just a combination. She's probably just very inspired by, yeah. Yeah, awful men.

Yeah. In general. We're generally all men. I know. There's a lot of them out there. And that's what makes a good song. Mm-hmm. You know, I never realized it.

I never really like a love song. Do you ever like love songs? There's never a song I'm like, oh, I love a love song. You know, there are love songs. I think when I was younger, I definitely did, because I was very much like, I think the idea of love. Right now, I think I'm in like a b---- track era. I think that's why I love Gnarly so much,

because it's just like a b---- track. You know, I'm the s----. I'm the s----. No, no, no, no, no, Gnarly. So I think that's kind of the vibe I feel right now. Right, right, right. It's better. More empowering.

Yeah, it makes you feel good. It makes you feel powerful. That's kind of the vibe I'm right now. Right, right, right. It's better, more empowering. Yeah, it makes you feel good, it makes you feel powerful. That's kind of the vibe I'm in. I like the Taylor Swift ones about breakups because I was like, oh, it just feels like empowering. Yeah, and that's why I liked Reputation so much. Even though it was like, there were love songs in there, it was all like, it was still like empowering

and being like F, Kanye, F, Kim, you know, it was like. Oh, was that that album? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She really was ahead of her time with that one. She really was, because everyone loves it now. I know. Where were you back in 2016, 2017, whenever it came out? Always catches up.

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I'm not hating either way, but everyone is very not happy about it online. I think I saw a lot of people hate Michael Rapoport I saw that was the number one. Who is that? I honestly had never heard of him before. I know he's filled in for Wendy But like why do we hate him? I mean I can tell looking at him I get it, but also like what did he do? There's a lot of stuff. Probably a lot. Yeah, it was like Okay, maybe I should look this up Like the rundown was he was racist homophobic Oh

He was like Zionist anti-Greta Thunberg. Like the list goes on and on and on. It's all very recent. Very vocal, recent, like past couple of years. I'm like, damn, that is. Okay. The clips I saw were like a lot and literally very, very recent, so.

Why is he on there? I guess he's friends with Andy Cohen. That's what everyone said, but I. Is Andy Cohen a producer? I think think cuz it's peak or like NBC Universal Own something he is like the one of the producers of the housewives franchise It doesn't own Bravo not own Bravo nobody's one of the EP. So why is he so influential? Look, I don't want to hate on him. Okay, I love him I was supposed to go on watch what happened and I got sick and I'm so excited about it. I was like did I ever talk shit? I don't think so

Maybe probably not I don't know him But people seem to be like scared of him or like why are they like either they're scared or like obsessed with him And so I'm like, okay, what is his power? I think he's just very influential like he is the He kind of runs Bravo essentially like he's very influential in Bravo Like he makes her breaks like, you know, the housewives careers on the show. And he's friends with Michael Rappaport. I guess so. That's what I read. It was a lot to go through. I'm like, OK.

And also there's enough bad stuff I was learning about last week. I didn't really want to deep dive more into this, to be honest. I got the spark notes and I was like, I'm good. Yeah. Especially on TikTok, I saw to like on the Trader's like announcement of the cast. Everyone's like, wow, you ruined a great cast with him. Okay, so some people did love the cast. I saw a lot of people not loving the cast. I didn't know the cast, but I never know the cast and then ended up loving them. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

I don't know anybody because I don't watch reality TV. Yeah, people were really excited about the Survivor picks. I really like Natalie. She was on Survivor and she was on the Amazing Race with Joey Grisafo actually. Not partners, but they... Same season. Same season and they were like in an alliance on Amazing Race. Yeah. But I loved her on Survivor. Darian actually got me a cameo from her for like our anniversary one year. I love a cameo. I need to get back on there. I do love a cameo.

I love when they make, as you know, when they make them really long too, like, she really gave my money's worth, yeah. That's what I was like doing too, I was like, oh, do you want to pay money? I'm like, let me give a conversation, let me give a seven minute conversation. That's what Natalie did, yes.

Okay, love that, okay, love that. She was a winner too, so I'm excited for her, the housewives, I think people are really excited about. I didn't know any of them. Is Dorine the same person that left first last time? Oh, Dorinda, Dorinda Medley, yes. She's the same person that left? Yeah, she got eliminated first last season

and she's back this season. She's from New York, from Housewives of New York. Monet Exchange, I love Monet Exchange from Drag Race. We love Monet Exchange too. We were saying that there's so many people from Survivor and Housewives, like the queens, they do get eliminated quite early. Why would they not have more queens from RuPaul?

Honestly T, they should at least do like two, three. Like a couple, like two? At least, we have 5,000 Survivor people, like why don't they have at least three queens? And arguably RuPaul is the most famous show right up there with traitors because they were winning 16 seasons in a row of Emmys. So, and Alan Cumming, like, loves Ru.

He was talking about how he saw him after he beat him for the first time with Emmys, and he was like, you know, he was cool with him. So it's like why, and he advocates, I think Alan says he advocates to have more queer people on the show, so like, why would he not have more queens on? True, at least this season does have a lot of queer people.

And I think there was like five queer people, because there was like, I think one or two from Survivor that were queer. Wasn't there like there was a few last year like five right last year wasn't there quite a few? Gabby, Bob, that one old guy. Who else? Old guy. Oh Bob the trainer.

Oh yes the other Bob yes. And um I can't remember who was on last season. I think, I think that's it. Oh, Michelle, I think it's queer. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, you're right, so like yeah, four-ish, four-fem. So, we love that, and I know Alan said that was like

his big thing is to get more people on, but it's like, okay, but I think if we're having people from different shows, which they, you know, the Housewives band up together, I feel like the Queens would do it too, so I think they're a little outnumbered and putting Monet in there, it's like it's gonna happen. band up together. I feel like the queens would do it too. So I think they're a little outnumbered and putting Monet in there, it's like it's gonna happen.

At least Monet is a reality TV super fan and Monet loves Survivor, Big Brother, loves those shows so much. So yeah, Monet is very strategic. So I have a lot of faith in Monet. And poor Bob, the drag queen last season, his mom just died right before. So he said he wasn't even in the right headspace to compete Yeah, and I think Trixie Mattel was supposed to be in it with him and then Trixie didn't do it. So that was like

I feel like just he said yes, obviously is an opportunity but probably like just bad timing But Monet I think has learned from Bob as well and knows what to do Going in so I have high hopes. But if she gets eliminated early, it'll prove the point that you stick with your survivor, you stick with your housewife. That's why we said there was no influencers this year, but it's like, okay, I'll probably go in next season.

So they should put other influencers with me. You know what I mean? We should have Tana, we should have Shane. There should be other influencers. You mean like a built-in alliance, should have Tanner, we should have Shane. There should be other influencers. You mean like a built-in alliance, yeah. That's what I'm saying. You can't just go in as the only one because I want to get you out.

Yeah, you're right. Because there are quite a few Survivor, there are quite a few Bravo in general. I feel like Bravo usually sticks together. Yes. There's only one big brother, I think, in... I'm curious who Donna Kelsey is going to team up with. Michael Rabaport.

No. Because they're older. I feel the older people. People stick together. Yeah, no British old people this time. I know. The quota has been reached, I guess. I guess they don't need to do anymore of that.

That was crazy. Yeah, Stephen Coletti was very random to me. Who's that? He was, did you watch Laguna Beach? Oh, I mean, yeah, who was he on there? Stephen. Oh, like Kristen Stephen? Yes, like the love triangle, Lauren Conrad Kristen, Stephen mean, yeah. Who was he on there? Stephen. Oh, like Kristen Steven. Yes, like the LC, like the love triangle, Lauren Conrad, Kristen, Stephen Coletti. I see clips of like Stephen. Yeah, I remember. Oh, what a throwback. So I guess he was in

One Tree Hill, but One Tree Hill ended a long time ago, so that was so random to me. They put that as his claim to fame? Yeah, I guess they wanted like a Dylan Efron type, like just a hot white guy I guess, but... No, no, it's not giving that. Well, maybe. I don't know. I haven't seen him. Okay, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see what he brings. I don't think so. What would mine be? Would they put me in as Big Brother? I don't know. They would do Celebrity Big Brother or just Influencer. I don't know. I kind of would love to go in as a game player as Big Brother. The gamer in life. Yeah. I was also in Big Brother, everybody.

You're a gamer, yeah. Me laying in bed the whole time. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, that'd be, is there any other random, like random ass person that's like, what? Eric is a singer. Eric, Eric who? Just as Eric.

Oh, okay. It's a young guy. Johnny, Olympic figure skater. Oh, Johnny Weir? Oh, I do love Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski. I love them together. I think what I'm saying, it's not fair to not have one other queen is crazy. Yeah, it's like a built-in.

They always have that. I noticed that from early stages, there's always someone you know. So it's like a built-in. They always have that. It's always something, like there's, I noticed that from early stages, there's always like someone you know. So it's like, why would they? Yeah, Rob Rausch. Who's that? From Love Island. Tar Yemi's friend. Oh, Tar Yemi should have been there then with him.

Tar Yemi's friend, it's crazy. I hope they put that as his little thing. His little, his lower third, yeah. But he's the only Love Islander, I guess. So there are a few one-offs, but yeah, the Bravo and then Survivor groups are pretty stacked. They always win, because there's always like one Love Island person.

There was a Love Island person last time that got off pretty early. It was like a girl, and she got off. She was like really pretty, and she was- Oh, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but she was eliminated early. So it's like, yeah, those big alliances tend to do it. Yeah.

Who are you rooting for, you think, for this kind of? Oh, gosh. I mean, I guess I love Monet. Maybe the only one I know, right? Oh, I love Johnny Weir. I'm rooting for Ron. Who's Ron? The comedian.

That's your pick? All right, well, I don't know. How about you? I think Monet. Yeah. Honestly, I'm very much into Charney Weir and Tara Lipinski as a pair. Yeah!

And I love Natalie Anderson from Survivor. She has a twin, so people think that like, they might do a little twist where maybe they like, swap Natalie and Nadia in between and like, fool them or something. I feel like that'd be fun. A little twin twist. Yeah, or just like add them in slowly.

Who was the one, it's not Tara Lipinski, but it sounds like that, that like hit the girls' knee. Tanya Harding. They should have Tanya Harding. And who's the other one? Who got hit in the knee? God, why am I forgetting who that was? Gosh, Nancy Kerrigan.

Yes. Yeah, they should have them in there. The rumor, cause there was, when the cast started leaking, there was like, inside stories saying there's one really controversial, um, contestant that the internet is gonna be very upset about. And a lot of people thought Gypsy Rose, and it ended up being Michael Rapaport, but people were speculating Gypsy Rose. Honestly! Why would they, why would they promote it like that? First of all, Michael Rapaport is no Gypsy Rose, okay? Gypsy Rose is problematic, but kind of a queen. Michael Rapport has nothing queen about him. There's

no iconic behavior about him. She's a mess, but we love to watch. Nobody wants to watch him. Honestly, in comparison, I would have preferred Gypsy for sure. A thousand percent. That's entertaining. I remember when he filmed for Wendy, I was like, get this old man off because I didn't know his problematic history, but you can just tell. Like, you don't even, you can just- There's something in there.

The way he talks. Yes, the energy, the way he talks. And that's when he said, I mean, that makes sense. And I didn't want to accuse him of all that, but I was like, that makes sense because that's the vibe and he's always given that vibe. So- I wonder if they're going to tell him like there's topics he can't talk about in the show.

They probably censor him if he's trying to Andy Cohen. They'll probably try to make him look good, but it's like, oh, those kind of people you just know. You're like, and then they blame it on their age. You're like, oh, it's a different generation. It's like, well, let's keep that generation off then. I'm sure Travis Kalz's mom don't talk like that. I'm sure she's a sweet brother friend here. You know, Madonna. I'm looking at her picture and I'm just wondering, what if they make her a traitor? That would be so funny. That would be good She'd be good. I don't know her lore, but she seems kind of cool. She kind of seems cool. Yeah, she seems sweet

She was wearing she was wearing a Taylor Swift bracelet in her little like promo shit. I was like, oh she's here She's gonna have the Swiftie support. Oh That I know which is like fan-based. Yeah, at least there's no voting Yeah, cuz that would be really unfair to have the Swifties like on her side You know she can win the whole thing if she's a traitor and oh, she's so sweet Oh, you know she's a sweet little lady and the older ladies tend to like slide by like that. You're so right I bet you they're gonna make her a freaking traitor cuz like Fajar was a pretty good traitor for that reason Not that she's like older, but she was like older

You know what I mean, so it's like she's kind of sweet and you kind of were like, oh, she's like this like mom vibe Even Danielle I think from last season she was like older, you know what I mean? So it's like, she was kind of sweet and you kind of were like, oh, she's like this like mom vibe. Even Danielle, I think from last season, she was like a grandma, right? So everyone's like, oh, she's a grandma. She's sworn her grandkids. She's like crazy, but yeah. I still cannot wrap my head around that they promoted it as like controversial.

People won't be happy thinking they're eating. They're gonna be like, oh wow, it's gonna ruffle feathers up. But everyone's just like, ew, like they don't care. Like again, there's people who can ruffle feathers and, you know, we still kind of getting for them. You're probably going to vote him out so fast. I hope so.

Like, Lee and Michelle would have been controversial, but people would have loved, you know what I mean? We're still like, but b**** sing, you know? It's like Michael Rapport has no redeeming qualities. Because either they'll make him a traitor and they'll vote him out or they won't and they'll still be like, you're a trader, vote him out. I just, yeah, immediately. If I had that first task where boss and Rob comes in

is like one of you can eliminate someone right now and put boss and Rob in, I would pick him. I'd be like, go. I would 100% when people don't pick someone off the bat, I guess they put themselves as a target, but I would 100% pick someone. I'm like that person needs to go. It's so weird to me when people don't.

Well, I'm excited, I guess. I mean, I think it's, you know, we love a trader as always. I know, I have faith in Monet to do the work in getting Michael out really quick. I'm putting a lot of faith in Monet, no pressure, but. We also saw Bob be very like vocal, getting people out and he was like eating. That's true.

But then it puts a target. True. It's so hard. Yeah. And they don't get that culture, right? The queen culture of just being like, calling people out and reading and all that stuff like that. So it's like, they misinterpret it as something else.

Yeah, I'm trying to think from this cast who would be the straight man I wouldn't trust. I know that Housewives are gonna love Monet for sure. Actually no, because Dorinda and Bob the Drag Queen, I feel like went at it last season. That is so true, even in the finale, even in the reunion. Wasn't she already? That's what we said, yeah.

Yeah, she got eliminated first last time, but everyone thought of it as a grave injustice, so she's now, she's back. Is she the one that came for the hairstylist, or that's a different one? Which hairstylist? She went on Watch What Happens Live and she called out Chris Dillon by name.

You don't know Chris Dillon? Like she was basically like, this hairstylist, Chris Dillon, stole money from me, and it turned out like he didn't, he provided all the receipts, and it was literally just like, he invoiced her for a room, and like, is that her? I don't know if that was her.

Or Dorit, they're two different people? Dorit and Dorinda are two different people, yeah. Type in Dorinda hairstylist, or Dorit. One of them did it. It sounds like more of a Dorit thing to do, to be honest. Dorit. Yes, Dorit Kemsley hasn't paid her hairstylist makeup artist.

Yeah, she took four months to pay him, and then she accused him of stealing. Yes, no, that does make sense from what I know of Dorit, yes. So Dorinda's a different one? Yes, Dorinda, she sense from what I know of Dorit, yes. So Dorinda is a different one. Yes, Dorinda, she's from Real Housewives of New York, Dorit's from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Got it. Dorinda's just like a little firecracker,

she's kind of messy, she was drinking a lot and then she got a little too messy, so I think that's why she had to take a indefinite hiatus from the show. But she has a lot of iconic moments. She goes like, clip it, clip it! You ever seen that? No. Oh, okay.

Sounds iconic though, I do love that. I loved your interpretation of it. moment she goes like clip it clip it you haven't seen that no okay sounds like I love that I loved your interpretation of it she was famous for having all the housewives come to her home in the Berkshires and every time she would bring them over it usually be like around the holidays like Christmas and then it would be like a huge fight would happen because it was just like a mess. So that was her big, yeah. She the sprinkle cookie girl? I think so.

Okay, they're like, she brought me sprinkle cookies. I don't watch the East Coast Housewives, but I do see clips sometimes, and I'm always. I think it might be her, but they all kind of also blend in, or actually that might be real Housewives of New Jersey, you might be thinking of. Which one did you say, New York? Yeah, she's in New York. They do kind of also blend in. Or actually that might be real housewives of New Jersey you might be thinking of. Which one did you say, New York?

Yeah, she's in New York. They do kind of blend together. Yeah, but I like Dorinda, so I'm happy she's back. She's back. Why don't you get to Monet again first? Damn. Monet, you have your chance to do something funnier. Especially because she did kind of come from Bob

even at the reunion. At the reunion they were really going up, yes. That would be so sad. That's so funny. Especially because you, like, not only do you fly all that way to Scotland, but the preparation. I remember some people were out there, it took me three months, because you have to get visas,

and you have to get the clothing, you have to get everything. So to be sent home first would be awful. I just came all the way over here. And how long do they film for? Like, two weeks or something? Two weeks, yeah. Which is actually really fast. Yeah, it's just, but obviously, like just came all the way over here. And how long do they film for? Like two weeks or something? Two weeks, yeah. Which is actually really fast. Yeah, it's just, but obviously like you said,

the preparation, so it does take at least like a month of your life to feel like all together. The wardrobe, at least, because you do all that other stuff. And then the press tour is like another month or so, yeah. I think the fun part though, I'm very sad I'm not on it. I guess they're filming right now.

Yeah, I fear you would be too pregnant to be flying from a helicopter like Gabby Wendy did. Oh my God. Can you imagine Donna Kelsey doing that? I would love, that's so everyday. I haven't even thought about her doing the challenges. That's what's crazy to me. But even the season before season two,

like the older, when I say older, as in like I'm an older woman too, but it's like MJ and all those older women were doing the one walking across the cliff, remember? And I was like, I don't know if I could- And they had a zip line and stuff, yeah. Zip. And I was like, I don't know if I could do that. Yeah. Scary, like going down a cliff. I don't know.

I just be so panicked. I guess this is a good thing because if Donna Kelsey is doing the challenges, then you can definitely do the challenges. That's true. I can always see someone go before me. I'm like, hey, they can do it. I can do it. There were definitely challenges that where people sat out.

They didn't do it. That's true. There was a bug challenge where set out. Like they didn't do it. Like they waited back or they went there. There was like a bug challenge where like everyone sat out like MJ and all those people like not doing this. Yeah. And didn't Gabby say when she was here, something about like I were having to sit down

when she was her partner from when I forgot. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, those challenges are dumb. They need to give them in community. Cause it's like, for cash, I'm sitting out. Sorry guys. I know. The cash pot or whatever.

Yeah. That I might not even get. Like, well, what the hell? I don't out. Sorry, guys. I know. The cash pot or whatever that I might not even get. Well, what the hell? I don't care about that. They need to do something different. Yeah, make the stakes a little bit higher. That's our traders' input. Yeah, that no one asked for. See how they changed this season.

It's great that they're filming now, and it doesn't air until January. It's so far away. I guess that's how they all work. But yeah, because announcing the cash so early, they kind of have to, cause I guess it would probably leak or something anyway. Oh right, cause they're filming and. Yeah, cause for Drag Race, those casts leak like a year

in advance, cause people, the fans like see, okay, who's canceling their gigs? Who's going to be gone for like this month when it's shooting? Even the the that's for all-stars, but even like the regular seasons like people look at like local queens who all of a sudden are not performing and... Oh that's so smart. Because Colton Underwood posted yesterday for Father's Day so I was like, how's he posting if he's in the castle? If he gets eliminated first? You know what I mean?

Like you're just like or someone posting. I know when I went and said my brother someone took over for me they were like posting. I had like a British management they were posting for me. But I think they posted about me being in the house now that I think about it I don't know wasn't it live so oh Yes, people already knew that I was in there People that make all the costumes they know who goes on the show. Yeah, true. Oh, right, right. You have to get measurements that hard.

Because I mean, they're spending thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars on costumes. Yeah, that is so true. They can tell who's going. Maybe Mike White will be on as survivor for Traders next season. Ooh, you and Mike White on the same season would kind of be everything.

We'd love. I would take him out so no one would suspect me because they would think I'm the thirstiest to be on the show and I would take him out first. Just to prove a point. Yeah, just to be like how powerful. And I feel like he would respect it because he does love competition. Yeah. Or he could hate you. It could go either way. He might respect it and cast you on White Lotus or he might like blacklist you so you never work again in Hollywood.

Oh yeah. No, I know myself. I'd want to be his friend. I think Gabby said she followed Bob the Drag Queen around like a little puppy. Oh yeah. That'd be me for sure. Just acting, just putting on a show every chance I get. Who's alliance would you be in? Who did you say? Oh, you said Johnny Weir? Johnny Weir, but now that I think about it,

I forgot about Colton Underwood being in there. Is he the one that jumped walls to get rid of his dates on Bachelor? I think that was him, yes, that was him. Yeah. Okay, because he had claims of, stalking claims against his ex-girlfriend. Ex-girlfriend? Yes, after, in 2020, so it was a long time ago.

So people were mad about that. But at least, I mean, in contrast with like Michael Rapoport, it's like the, I always look at the pattern of behavior. Yes, and how recent. Yeah. Because I'm sure all those people have something. Yeah, Dona Kelsey. I'm sure. I'm sure there's something.

Don't cancel her. Do not cancel her. Probably, though, if you want to go deep enough, I'm sure there's something. I hope she wins. I like older people on that show when they're like that. I know. And honestly, I feel like everyone would want the connections to like Travis and Taylor and so on.

The it couple. Yeah. Like, yeah, if I'm an ally with Donna Kelsey, I get Aeros door tickets or what? Oh, Aeros part two. Yeah. I love that. Taylor was at a hospital this weekend.

Oh, yeah, Florida Children's Hospital. Did she just show up? I don't understand how that works. Like, she just shows up or what? I think she clears it with the staff. Oh, okay. She plans it with the staff. I love that.

But it's a surprise to the kids, yeah. Oh my God, that's so cute. I would love to do that. I just don't know if the kids would know why. Pfft. Like I would love to go visit kids in the hospital, but I guess you have to have some sort of clearance first. You know what I mean?

The kids are like, wow, thanks. Yeah, oh yeah. I wonder if they get excited about, I guess? Because. The kids are like, wow, thanks. Yeah, oh yeah. I wonder if they get excited about, like I guess Taylor Swift. That's true. Yeah. Who was it?

Probably JoJo back in the day, kids loved JoJo. I remember Tom Holland visited a hospital, as Spider-Man, which was so cute. Oh, Johnny Depp did that as Captain Jack Sparrow too. Yeah, I think Andrew Garfield did it as Spider-Man too. Or like, but Avengers, like Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. did it as their characters.

I wish I had that influence, that'd be so cool. I guess you can go as the tavern, as the tavern. Nobody knows, no one even knows, I stopped doing it on TikTok, no one knows who that is. I wish I could be an iconic kids character, Blippi, Miss Rachel. I would love, oh my God, dang. The thought is crazy though, you showing up and like.

Descends myself, they're like, we don't care. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh. OK. That's what I'm saying. I wonder if anyone can go do that, or you have to get special permission.

Yeah, I'm sure it has to be something that's like, you know. I'm sure you could probably volunteer though, for like a. Yeah, yeah. Just, I would love to. I need to do that. I do need to volunteer more. That's my goal. Yeah, I had a co. This is so random, but I would love to do that. I do need to volunteer more. That's my yeah, I had a car.

This is so random. I had a co-worker. I was I had to edit the overcompensating like interview footage and for some reason the cast started asking her questions and I was kind of gagged and I she's in New York and I haven't even talked to her, but they were asking her like, oh, so where did you meet like your husband? She was like, oh, we were volunteering. We were reading to sick children and both volunteering and we met and fell in love and I was like, oh, we were volunteering. We were reading to sick children and both volunteering and we met and fell in love.

And I was like, wow, what a great story. So volunteering, if you're single and you're having trouble meeting a man, volunteer. Cause at least you know you're meeting a nice person. That is actually so true. Yeah, because people say meet at church was like, oh, the church these days. You know what I mean?

Yeah, but meaning, right. Mostly all. Yeah, that's deep. But that is so true. You have to volunteer. Yeah, you do something good. And like you always say, you put that energy out there, it comes back to you.

Have you ever volunteered at a dog shelter? I've volunteered at dog and cat adoptions before. And also in high school, in college, for like, I think high school, for like, to get, to legalize gay marriage. I had like, I volunteered to go door to door and campaign. No way! What, do you have people sign? Yeah, or like register, or register to vote or something?

It was like my senior year year and- Does that work? I honestly don't remember. I know we had to go to Pasadena and I know me and my friend Rebecca went door to door and knocked on doors. I don't know how many signatures we got, but it passed. So I guess- Wow!

You were the forefront of that. I love that. That's pretty cool. I didn't know that. I didn't know that about you. Yeah, I feel like that's very you to do. I would love to do that. I should do that more though.

Yeah, especially these days. Collect signatures, especially if it helps. But can you just go up to people's houses anymore? Yeah, but you never know what you're gonna get, you know? On both ends, too. I don't know if I'd open my door. I never open a door. Yeah, I don't know if I trust anyone.

Even Girl Scout cookies, they used to go door to door, but I think now you just get them at Ralph's or something like that. Are they out now? No. I feel like I haven't seen them right now. I saw them maybe. Are they out now? No. It's done. I feel like I haven't seen them right now. I saw them maybe last year, last time I saw them.

But yeah. I love Girl Scout cookies. Actually, maybe it was a couple months ago. I forget, but I know there was like a thing for Girl Scouts where it was like, it was online. I saw it was like for girls who like they were having, I think there were like minorities

and like they weren't getting enough like people buying their cookies. So people got together to promote their links to buy Girl Scouts from and that was so cute. Yeah. I know I wonder that with social media is like do people like cheat now if they're like parent has like a lot of followers.

I feel like they do. Like Malibu start selling cookies. I'm like everyone buy these cookies, this link right here. It's like a million dollars for the Girl Scouts. Like it's not really fair, right? I feel like no, yeah, cause even my aunt, she doesn't really know much,

her, my cousin don't know much about social media and stuff and then they entered like this contest for like babies? Like a cute baby photo competition, I don't know what the hell it was to be honest. It seemed kind of, it was on Facebook, they kind of, it felt like a scam to me to be honest. They're like, oh, can you promote this? And I was like, honestly, that feels unfair if I'm like, yeah.

Yeah, did you do it? No. That's how I feel too. Yeah. I think there's been influencers who've done that. I'm like, I don't know about that. Me either. I'm like.

Because the bottom line is raising money, so if you help raising more. But there's a competition within the Girl Scouts. Whoever raised the most gets prizes and stuff like that. Right, but the competition purpose've got a petition purposes to raise more. I know this should take away the prize Yeah, if it was just for like charity Yeah, and no like personal incentive then yeah, yeah, that's like you got the most money raised. It's like it shouldn't be a competition I do love girls. I could get out there out for sale. Let me know I Never I always miss them. I never know when they're.

Did you ever try the Girl Scout cookie body wash and deodorant? That was something fierce though. I didn't know. Where, at Target or where? I forget what brand it was. I know I saw it at Target and I was excited about it at first because it was like,

oh, I love Girl Scout cookies. And then I went to go sniff them and I was like, oh, this is diabolical. I didn't want to wash in a thin mint. Honestly, yeah. For some reason I thought it was gonna be good because I love a sweet scent, but these were like- To wash them?

No. These were like next level. Like these were just intense. I need a dial soap. What do you use? I use Eos body wash. Eos? Yeah.

Oh, like the lip balm? Yes, the circle lip balm. But now they have- Bougie. Is it bougie? the lip balm. Yes, the circle lip balm, but now they have. Bougie. Is it bougie? I think so. It's fancy. Dial is $1.79.

It's cheap. That's fancy, oh my gosh. Yeah, I do like Eos, because my lotion is also, so I like to layer. Have the all of it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Try dial.

It's so good, it's so clean. It just feels like sterile. It always is sold out when I go to my CVS. They use that for the baby ducks, right? Is that what they use for the, oh no, Dawn. It's so clean. It just feels like sterile. It always is sold out when I go to my CVS. They use that for the baby ducks, right? Is that what they use for the... Oh no, Dawn. Dawn is the ducks. I should try that too.

Right, I remember they did that. I think in Save by the Bell, they did that. They tried to save the ducks by washing them with the dish soap. Work, yeah. But I think they ended up killing them. They were dying because of it. Yeah, you remember that episode?

The soap? Yes. I haven't never seen Save by the Bell, but I think... soap? Yes. I haven't never seen Saved by the Bell. What? I think the- You've never seen Saved by the Bell? I think the dish soap works for saving the ducks and the oil spills.

Something happened. They type in the ducks, Saved by the Bell, they definitely ended up passing away the next day they came back. They were trying to help them, and then all the ducks died. I don't, I'm confused about this plot line, to be honest. No, I just remember, they're like, we're gonna clean the ducks, and then the next day the ducks died. I'm confused about this plot line to be honest. No, I just remember, they're like,

we're gonna clean the ducks, and then the next day the ducks were dead, and I was like, what the hell happened? Okay, I don't think that Dawn just killed the ducks. But I don't know, Dawn, but they cleaned them, and I remember they were like, it was like not good for them or something like that. And then they all banded together,

they all wanted this new and improved Bayside high school, but that meant putting like oil rigs, and the oil rigs were spilling on the ducks and yes Yeah, that is in this little description. Okay, and then afterwards they they refused the drilling the oil drilling I guess the ducks died. Yes. Yeah And maybe the oil like the duck died from sticky black goo They brought her in and there's nothing I don't think the soap, I think the oil killed Becky the duck. Maybe. I think that makes more sense to me.

Yeah, I can't believe I've never seen, you grew up in California. Was it not popular? No, or maybe I was too young when it came out. It's a pretty old show. But reruns, my sister watched it, she's like your age. Honestly, I never trusted that Mario Lopez and I think I was on the right side of history for that.

What is happening with that? With him? Yeah. I know he, he did something with the Tate brothers recently before they got re-arrested or whatever, so. But did you see this morning? No. He got like served papers.

Oh, no, I didn't see that. Oh, and it's like, they're like, but people were like saying like you can't serve people by like, they're trying to give it like saying like you can't serve people by like They're trying to give it to him. He's their shirtless by his gate He ignores them then the person like throws the papers in the gate and someone else is filming and some said you're not allowed to film if you're serving people and Everyone's asking grok. I don't know what grok is but it's on Twitter

Grok, why is he being served grok is coming up with who knows what he's making sure grok had different things like different It was crazy. So I mean so I don't know what happened. Is that like? But people always are filmed being served. Oh, okay, so that's what I'm saying. Grock doesn't know because Grock was like, oh, we can't film people being served. Grock is the AI on Twitter. He was giving a lot of different answers.

Why do all these things get served? You see it? Yeah, I don't know what. Mario Lopez served my $10 million defamation lawsuit today. Is he work for, someone said NBC was suing him. Yeah, he works for NBC. Is he still?

Someone else told me, I don't know if it's true, he was off for two weeks, he's been gone for two weeks. Oh, I don't know, I haven't kept up. Wait, so why were you saying you don't trust Mario Lopez? I thought this was the whole tie-in, no, it was something else. Oh, no, I just hadn't, I always had a weird feeling about him. Really?

Yeah, ever since I saw him on the show, like when I saw clips of him on the show, I was like, hmm, this gives me weird vibes. Okay, I think most people kind of agree. I don't know, I don't know much about him, but he's always hosted Extra for like 20 years or something, hasn't he? He's been like that host forever.

Yeah, he doesn't access Hollywood now. Oh, he switched. Yeah, when I left, I think he switched. Downgrade? I don't know, I think same grade. Is he still standing outside the Grove? No, no. They should have, you're on the Universal block,

so I guess upgrade in that sense. Oh, love that, bad luck. Yeah. How does he interview people? They come to him. I guess upgrade in that sense. Oh, love that. Back lot? Yeah. How does he interview people? They come to him. I mean, you've been to access, it's like there where you came when I worked there. Oh, that's not really the back lot.

That's like. Back lot adjacent. Yeah. I wanna be on the back lot lot. Like by Desperate Housewives, Mysteria Lane. That's where it came. Okay, yeah. Adjacent.

Well, I guess you're not working there anymore. Allegedly, I don't know. I don't know either. Oh, I'm trying to see this. I. Allegedly, I don't know. I don't know either. Oh, I'm trying to see this. I saw the day everyone was talking about it. I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, but there's no articles about it right now, so I don't know what the deal is.

You are ahead of it with the Mario Lopez. I thought that was your transition. No, that was just a gut feeling. So you didn't watch Day by the Bell? No, I didn't. That's crazy. What was the other one around that? California Dreams.

Never watched that. I didn't even watch 90210 or anything either, were they at the same time? No, I didn't. That's crazy. What was the other one around that? California Dreams. Never watched that. I didn't even watch 90210 or anything either. Were they at the same time? Yeah, I never watched, no, 90210 was a little, I don't know, I didn't watch 90210 either. Did you watch Family Matters? I don't think so. With Urkel?

I think I would, ended up watching it on free, it's called, I think it's free form now, ABC Family, when they would do like the old block. Oh yeah. It was like Full House. Family Matters. Yeah. Which speaking of Full House, Candice Cameron Bray.

Sugared. She is wild to me. I'm sorry. She is wild. A little crazy. I think I told Moe's about this. He wasn't even in my hot tub. I told him about this last week.

I was like, this is, she's nuts. She refuses to watch any scary movies because she said that you are opening up a portal. She said if you're watching a scary movie or even playing a video game, the portal could let stuff inside of your home. Girl. She said, I don't even want someone watching a scary movie in our house on the TV, to me it's just a portal.

And she said, I'm in the film industry. I understand how it all works. I know that movie specifically has a crew of 200 people and they're lighting it and adding the sound effects and it's makeup and camera people and actors. However, there's still something that can be incredibly demonic while they've made it. Film industry is pushing it.

I don't know how many films Candace Cameron, besides Hallmark movies. I don't know if that counts. Lifetime movies. I don't know if she's Candace Cameron, besides Hallmark movies. I don't know if that counts. Lifetime movies. I don't know if she's really in the mix of it. Also spoken like a true demon because what do you mean there's a portal? How do you know all this unless you're a demonic yourself?

Like, you know, there's no demons in my house. You know, I mean, yeah, I get it. Scary movies are scary, except that one. On the Lepufle. That, that may be. I'm with her on there, but she's, she's cuckoo because there was one more part to it too. It was, ow.

There was something like one step further that she said. Is there more? I only had that clip and then she talks to her pastor and the pastor said that like, the actresses, even pastor said that like, um, the actresses Even if they're like if they're playing a witch they usually research witchcraft and they end up becoming real witches Well, first of all, which is rule. Okay, which is that been here before religion? Okay, wiccans the original religion. So, okay God, there was one thing you already told you about canis camay saying something else? It was one other thing beyond the scary movie.

Oh, Liquid Death. Oh yes, I did see that. I did see that. Even Liquid Death, Emma, girl, what are you on? Just the name alone brings out my, what? Are you, literally, are you on something? This is why I don't trust religious people too much. Okay, I love God, spirituality, Buddhism, love it all.

But people who like our church and like very like the church says this and we're anti this, that's giving me demon vibes because every, every deity I studied doesn't say anti anything. They're never like no gaze at the Buddhist house. No, you know what I mean? Like she's, she's like a different level and it's giving demonic.

And then when I saw the liquid death, I was like, BFFR. You know? Like it was just, it was so weird. And the other guy was like agreeing with her. I was like, it's- Part of this podcast. Oh my, yeah. I'm like, who's tuning in?

Who's seated for this podcast? Who else? I mean, watch her win it for me or something. Oh my God, no, no one's winning an Emmy, especially not Candice Cameron Bray. I think she's one, she's one celebrity I would love to see just, you know, maybe exit the spotlight. Like her brother did that, Kurt, too.

Kurt Cameron, exit the spotlight. He was a little cuckoo with the religion. He was like so nuts. And it's like, I get it, like, okay, but also it's always the religious ones. Not to bash religion too much, because again, I do love, I love Jesus, I love God. I like Mark Wahlberg, you know, it's always like those that are just a little

extreme Shia LaBeouf. He became extreme Catholic. And again, I grew up Catholic, not knocking the religion, but just some of the people in it, use it as this weird shield to be like judging others. So I don't think Jesus would judge. And you know what, how I know this, cause the AI Jesus does not judge.

He's like, hey chat, not judging, but Mary Magdalene came to my door and accepted it. And he's just like, cool. I'm like, they're not that cool. You know what I mean? Yeah, there is a disconnect. I'm gonna team JoJo on this one. Yeah, this is why she'll never be on the

JoJo Siwa Now podcast. But JoJo, you and I could team up against her because honestly, her and Michael rap before it, they should just be banished to an island. Private island. Mr. Beast, Charlotte Island. Yes. Mr. Beast was in a JLo video.

Mariah Carey. I'm dead if that makes sense. I knew it was something. Okay, damn. Was it real? Because I just saw the little clip of him, but it looked like almost AI, like him. It doesn't look weird. He was just vendors and like the makeup.

Cause we just mentioned Hood Beast. We just mentioned that. That's what I'm saying, was it Hood Beast in there? Cause he had like, it was Hood Beast. And it's something had to do with Fortnite. It was supposed to be like a Fortnite skin of Hood Beast. So that's why it looked a little weird. Oh, so it wasn't him.

It was like a skin. It was him. I don't know. It was weird. It looked kind of like AI, but I think it was maybe him, but made to look. Like Mariah, I know your audience.

No one wants Mr. Beast in your video. I know, I think the problem is her son is a streamer. Oh, shit, that happens. Yeah, her son seems very sweet, for sure, but he is in the streaming world, so I think maybe her son was like, oh, we should definitely get Mr. Beast. Oh, no. I know.

But her daughter is like, oh, we should definitely get Mr. Beast. Oh no. I know, but her daughter is a girly because she loves like Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina and like all that stuff. So we need her to step up and be like, no mom. Let's collab with Sabrina and not with. Yeah, not big yikes. I was like, not Mr. Beast. That's like David Dobrik appearing

in like a Britney Spears video or something like that. I'm dying. I'm like, oh my God. The That's like David Dobrik appearing in like a Britney Spears video or something like that. I'll die. I'll be like, oh my God. The craziest part was the director Joseph Kahn tweeted, there's gonna be an internet shattering surprise in the new Mariah Carey video. And then all the lambs were like, this was it? And the lambs were not happy.

Yikes, also shout out Joseph Kahn who directed me in the Eminem music video. Oh, T, yeah. Yes, we love him. I love that, that's what he's still directing. He's so iconic. Um wild it is giving traders being like we have someone so explosive this season It's like Michael. Okay Literally anyone else with that. Okay. Well, you know, it's probably impactful. Did it help views? I don't know I don't know either. Did he promote it that much? I don't know. It is his fans

Are the Beasters gonna go Yeah, does his fans? Okay, we don't watch Mariah Carey. Are the Beasters gonna go stream Mariah Carey? No, it's the worst crossover, because nobody that likes Mariah Carey know who Mr. Beast is. Yeah, and the ones that do don't want him in there, we're like, well, we don't want to watch this Mariah. And I love Mariah, I think she's iconic. Love Joseph Khan too, but I don't know if that was the move. Who would we have casted in a Mariah Carey video that everyone would have gagged for? Vanilla Mace, I fear. Yeah, she would have ate that up. That would have been so-

Her opening up a little la boo boo in the back. Oh my yeah, she would have ate that up. That would have been so. Her opening up like a little la boo boo in the back, oh my God, that would have been the moment. That would have been everything, you know? Addison can get on it, next music video, cast Vanilla Mace. Yeah, gee. I think that'd be so good. I would have cast her if I had another music video.

I don't know if any amount of money could get her because I know she's booked in busy, but. Damn, you're right. Vanilla Mace and Mariah would have been everything across over the century. That's why I need her daughter to step up and be like, come on, mom. This is where it's at.

The kids of the celebrities nowadays really are the tastemakers, which I love. I really do think that's the only reason Gerard Way even knew who I was because of his daughter. Oh yeah, that's what she, oh yeah. I was like, I think that's, and that's what I like to see, you know what I mean, where it's like, hmm. And like Apple Martin probably telling Gwyneth about you,

I assume. I love Apple, don't know if Gwyneth would love me. I love her, we love her, but. All right, Lisa Rinna would freaking team up with you because her daughters love you. That's true, well they did 10 years ago on Real Housewives, I don't know if they still do. No, I think they still do.

Really? I haven't seen anything lately. I'm pretty sure, I think Harry Daniels told us, like last year, that they still, like Amelia. Really, oh. And Delilah, right? us like last year that they still, like Amelia. Really? Oh. And Delilah, right? Yes.

Love them both. Yeah, cause Amelia, I think she's the one that's always with Gabrielle's, Charlie XCX's friend, and Harry Daniels is friends with Gabrielle. So I think that's the me tying the Lucens together. Okay, love that. Well, I do love Lucirina.

I am excited to see her. Cause to me she's not even a housewife. To me she's like an actress. She was like on Melrose Place. I feel excited to see her. Cause to me she's not even a housewife. To me she's like an actress. She was like on Melrose Place. I feel like I know her from that kind of stuff. And she's messy. I think she'll be like purposely just a mess. So I think that's fun.

I know it's hard to say in those situations. I know I would think I would be a mess on that show, but I know I also am like a wallflower when it comes to like I'm intimidated by other people a lot, you know? So I feel like I might blend in. I don't know. I think when you see the cameras and then your little Scottish outfit

and then Alan Cummings is there that you would turn it on to. I feel like I might be more scared. Like I think I might like be like, oh, I'm an imposter, like why am I here? Although I could go into like an accent, you know? A character study. Yeah, like hello, what are we doing today in the castle? Oh my God, Lee, you as the tavern maid in traders.

Oh, I would just wear that outfit the whole day. Actually, that's so good because I do a little Scottish. Yeah, it's like an amalgamation of a lot of different. I can see her walking out. She's a trader and she walking out to the room with the gown because she's just in character. In the trader gown or the tavern gown? The trader because it's kind of the same. I want to be an accent.

Okay, if I go on the show, I want to be in an accent the whole time. That'd be so fun. Just keep switching it up. Oh my God. That's my time to shine. Next season. Oh God, I hope they get picked up for another season

because they were only picked up for four or so. Oh really? I feel like it has to get picked up again. Don't you think? It's so popular. But then as Alan coming back, he might ask for more money. I wouldn't do it if he wasn't the host.

Ooh. I would hate to go over there, and it's like, that happened to me my freshman year of high, no, sophomore year of high school. I joined the golf team because the teacher was like really hot, and then he got replaced by an old lady. Oh.

He was like a hot young teacher, and then like literally, it was like this old, like old, old lady, like literally a 65, 70 year old lady teaching us how to golf, and I was like, it's not what I signed up, like Lydia, 65, 70 year old lady teaching us how to golf. And I was like, it's not what I signed up for. My parents won't let me quit. We're my mom. Yeah.

So you were stuck playing golf? I played golf. You can Google that. I'm in the golf team. You can see our teacher. She was sweet, but also not hot. And if you Google the teacher the year before, he was like a really hot teacher.

Yeah. And I think it's like that would happen on the Traders. It's like I finally get to be there. And then it's like, oh no, be a Carolyn Ray or something hosting. She hosted everything, do you know her? No. Oh my gosh, she was the biggest loser. She was on Sabrina, the teenage witch.

Like she was- Oh, I love her, the blonde lady. Yeah, I love her too, but you know, I don't wanna like, she'd be the one instead of, you know, I don't know. Who was it? Who was I thinking of? Oh no.

I thought I thought of Billy Porter on Traders, but he's doing Hunger Games. Love that. Love him. That was great. I don't know, for some reason, I saw it as like a Trader thing. Oh, someone was asking about the Traders,

like why all their portraits are so bad. I was wondering that too. I have always hated the portraits. It looks like they were taken on an iPhone, like, and then weirdly photoshopped. Yeah. like they're taken on an iPhone like and then. Which ones? Yeah. But they're always like a weird up close angle or like this.

Yeah. It is weird. Someone said it's the ones they submit for casting, but they all are shot the same way. So I don't think so. No, I feel like the same day they're doing the little promo videos. They're shooting that. They're doing the portraits. Yeah, which is so weird.

So ugly. Oh man. Trader's casting news is my favorite. Zoe Saldana saying her Oscar identifies as they, them and his trans. This was the same day we were talking about our Labooboos. Yeah. And what they identify as. Okay, well.

I feel like, I get why everyone was so upset because also like the controversy around Amelia Perez, but I feel like this is something that you would end up saying. I feel like my Oscar identifies as saying this. That saying. I feel like you're, my Oscar identifies. That's what I'm saying, our Labooboos were going there. I was trying to figure out, cause you mean it sincerely,

well I don't know if you mean it sincerely, I meant mine sincerely, cause you just don't know, you don't want to ever offend people, especially Labooboos are so big in queer culture, you don't want to like offend, you know what I mean? And they do have, with Labooboos, there is lore where the little ones are girls. So it is a little confusing

Oscar however, I guess it's never been Stated. Yeah, you know, I guess you assume the name but shouldn't you that yeah, you know, I don't know I wonder I think because I Think because Amelia Perez was very tone deaf. That, that is why, like everyone was already upset that it was nominated for so many Oscars. Everyone was pretty upset that she won, even though her performance was good, but it's just like the movie, the songs, everything around it was so bad. The singing was atrocious. Yeah, the music was.

Yeah. Yes. And the fact that even GLAAD had an issue with statements saying this was not good trans representation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you probably should just like avoid stoking those flames, so to speak. Right, right, right, right. I'm with you there. I also feel like maybe she just thought, okay, this whole movie is problematic. I just need to join in. You know. I just need to also sink this ship further. Let me just also say some, because it's a wild thing to say so long after.

Why did you say that? Who did you say it to? Was it clipped? She was at the LA premiere of Elio, which is the new Disney Pixar movie, and she got asked about her Oscar win. She said, we have it in my office, and my Oscar is gender fluid,

before adding that it is trans. Okay, that's where she lost me. I love a gender fluid. Yeah, I feel like if she just, cause also it's not like she got asked like, oh, what is your Oscar identify as? Right. Just got asked like where she keeps it.

You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. So I can like, smell all of it. I know, like she got caught up in pride mom. She's like let's just And I love that. I love the representation Again, it's almost like intentions probably gone. Yeah, that's like couldn't read the room right right right the vibes How does she she's like our age my 46? Oh? Great. Yeah, she does look amazing right so give that that's like older's like older millennial. Like, you know, she means well. Me too. Me

at pride, honestly. You at pride. Everyone have your poppers. Oh, just... It's okay to be gay. I was like, okay, just shout things. You don't really know, you know. Attentions are good, yes. But, you know, well, period. Well, I just think, yeah, doesn't need to go into the detail. Yeah, I think to not even be asked, like, what is your mom's current identify? She just wanted to say it. She's supporting.

I think, yeah, she obviously meant well. She said ally. She's probably proud of the fact that, yeah, she's like, no, I'm still, you know, supporting the trans community, but. I know when you send me stuff on Twitter, it really is us all the time. Literally everything is so us. The other one was like out eating Ozempic, like gaining weight on it. Oh, Tracy Morgan.

Tracy Morgan. I'm like, very us. Today you sent me one that was like, I wish, what was it like? I spent my year skinny thinking I was fat and now I'm fat thinking, or something like that. Yeah, now I'm actually fat. So yeah, honestly, I know when I look back, I'm like, what do we want? Oh, reality house.

I was like, my body was so good. And I really didn't think I was so fat back then too. And it was teen. You were so teeny. I know. Well, it's okay. And that's the moral of the story. So the younger don't learn from our mistakes and just embrace her body where

it's at right now. Even now, think about us when we're like 70. True. We're going to wish we had these bodies. Yep. You spilled. Yeah. So true, queen.

Thanks. Yeah. Love that. Going back to the sassy gay best friend. I love it. I love, I know when you were talking about that, I was like, you should say that to me. Like, wasn't feeling that doughnut queen. I like it.

It's a good character, I like it. That's you on Traitors. Honestly, yeah, my defense mechanism is being like, as a camera. That would be so cute, yeah. Yeah. I do fall back on that, like, as a, cause you can't be mad at just like a, you know. Of course, that's a good one to fall back on though.

That is a good one, yeah. Oh, I see. It is like, I was, when I was talking to Austin about this, he was saying how like, when he tries to be funny, a lot of times he has to like edit it out of his podcast because like he doesn't want it being taken out of context. I'm like, damn, you do have to think about that when you're in an attractive gay. Yeah.

I can be cutesy and say stuff that he can't. That is so true. I feel like that with like attractive girls too and stuff like that, you know, it's like they can say, can't say something. You know what I mean? Like, I can, you know, because I'm like that with like attractive girls too and stuff like that, you know, it's like they can say, can't say anything. You know what I mean? Like I can, you know, cause I'm like an ogre in a cute way, in like a Shrek way.

Not an ogre, but. I hate Shrek, I know. I don't like Shrek. When people say that as like a compliment, I was like, there's no compliment there. Even Fiona Shrek, I don't like it. Ogres aren't bad. Not awful. Didn't you just audition for the new Shrek?

Wasn't that your little audition? That's right. Is there a new, oh right. Was Zendaya, but you have probably. Oh, she is trans, a trans ogre in that one, right? I think people, there's a fan theory that she is cause the baby's eyes from Shrek 3 are the same, are the boy, the boy baby ogre have brown eyes and she has brown eyes.

Oh, I see. But the girl had blue eyes. So, I think they have the consistency in the eye color. Just a conspiracy, they're not confirmed. Not confirmed, yeah. Love that. Well, you know, Oscars at the end of the day are not anything, they're non-existent, so.

True. Again, I don't think you need to, I thought about that with the lububus, I'm like, I guess we don't need to like, identify them, they're non-existent. So again, I don't think you need to, I thought about that, the Labooboo's. I mean, I guess we don't need to like identify them. They're really not breathing. It makes more sense. Labooboo's makes more sense, yeah. Because they do have genders in the lore.

Oscars are just kind of, it's just like a trophy, you know? It's not like a character. Labooboo's are actual characters. So that makes more sense. That's true. People hate the Labooboo talk, but Cher had a Labooboo on her bag. So I think they're officially taking over. People are like, let's little boo boo talk. I was like, okay.

I told you it's the pendulum. It's Sabrina Carpenter, everyone's getting it. And I knew it was coming. I knew from the jump it was coming. Well, what is happening over there? Nothing. So loud. What are you eating? I know, oh my God, not to be John.

I literally just felt like John and Kate right there. Oh my God, I felt like Kate Gosselin. When he is breathing, she goes, what are you doing? And know. Oh my God, not to be John. I literally just felt like John and Kate right there. Oh my God. I felt like Kate Gosselin. When he is breathing, she goes, what are you doing? And he's like, nothing. She's like, no, you're breathing. You're like, I think she was like, can you please breathe? Like in that bison.

Yeah. She's like, that was, oh my God, that was me. So sorry. I caught myself being, what are you doing? What are you digging for? Are you going to show something as a hot topic? You are. There's a gag coming in there.

I can feel it. Your hand is holding something. For me. Is it chocolate? No. He's going to show something soon. I have a feeling I know it. He's waiting for the moment. Joseph Seawall reacted to Miley Cyrus' joke that we talked about. Oh, she, oh yes, I did see this. Yes. Did we not talk about this?

No, we talked about, at the time we only saw Miley's joke, not JoJo's response to Miley's joke. Oh, we're always like just, it must have been right after. A couple hours, yeah, we're always still a couple hours behind, but that's okay. But yeah, Miley Cyrus made a joke that she was going gonna go back in the closet and find Jojo Siwa at World Pride. At World Pride? Yeah, it must have been not the day I didn't know Miley was there. Yeah. Yeah June 7th. What day were you there? June 6th. I didn't know she was supposed to be on there. I don't think she performed I think she just did a little spoke. It was a video, right? Yeah. Oh, god, I got it.

And just did a little spoke. It was a video, right? Yeah. Oh, I got it. And yeah, so she made a joke at World Pride and then Jojo responded. And this was a few days later. She replied on June 12th. She said, I was happy on my fifth birthday, having a Miley themed party, and I'm still happy now at 22. I wasn't sure how I felt about things for a couple of days,

but I started to come to some thoughts. I don't believe what Miley said at World Pride was ill-intended. Honestly, I think it was meant to couple of days, but I started to come to some thoughts. I don't believe what Miley said at World of Pride was ill-intended. Honestly, I think it was meant to be a joke, but not a very good one. And she said that while she understood that it was a joke, that it probably should have stayed in the draft, she said, not what the world and myself needs to hear

any day of the week. I messaged Miley lightheartedly about it, and she replied and said, all love, always. I think that's a good response from JoJo. I like that she thought about it and she replied and said, all love, always. I think that's a good response from JoJo. I like that she thought about it. It wasn't like a, you know. Yes, reactive.

Yeah, especially at 22. I feel like it's some growth, right? Love it. I do love it, yes. I think, and she's probably right. You know what I mean? Like the jokes, whatever. I wish she would keep the same energy

for some of her friends in life. And not just Colleen, but like Todrick. You know, like some of these friends that are done some dubious things. She like defends them so hardcore that have like really hurt people. And then she makes these really great statements about, yeah, jokes that could be hurtful,

but it's like, where was that same energy for people? You know what I mean? And not only does she not speak out against people doing like harmful things, but she like, I guess I always think about her like victim blaming everybody. And again, not just the Colleen situation, but I'm like, where is that energy for your like friends who you should be holding accountable, right? Because you care about them,

you want them to do better, you want the world to see them better. And I think you do them a disservice when you don't call them out. And meanwhile, you're like everyone else is lying. So I know it was like a couple years ago, but she always has this like energy for celebrities and jokes. And again, love it. Keeps the same energy for her influencer friends. Yeah, that's a good point. Not just when it serves you, you know, you have to have. Because that's what it feels like, like when someone

when she has like when she is personally affected by it, she can like speak up. You have to especially when you have a big brand and your big platform, like you stop the you should keep that same energy for things that you aren't Personally affected by as well. Yes, and like, you know, obviously when a lot of people are affected by it like stand up for it Even if you're a pathetic. Yeah. Yes. I don't like love that. That's my only only beef with JoJo So doesn't make it is like bothers me because it's like I do love that She stands up for like little things like this. It's like yes

It's like little but also it is important to be like, yeah It's like it hurts this, you know little, but also it is important to be like, yeah, it's like, it hurts this, you know, I'm still like, yeah, her queer identity being, you know, like it's being erased. I get that. Yeah. So yeah, so I think she put the energy for so many people. She could be like this little activist warrior that everyone loves.

But when you don't keep that same energy for your friends and actually victim blame other people, I just, it's something that I've held onto for too long. And I just am like, well, hopefully she's grown. It's been a couple of years, but you know. Yeah. Or Abby Lee is another one that she defends a lot. And I'm like, I see. So many girls have been like, I feel victimized by her

and always just being like, no, that's not true. Cause that didn't happen to me. You know, like those kinds of things. That's my only thing. And I get it. Look, I also can be very hypocritical Jojo. So I'm like, I'm with you. I'm just trying to tell you where I get it look I also can be very hypocritical Jojo, so I'm like I'm with you I'm just trying to tell you where I get a little lost love that you speak out for yourself you as you should but

You're also very influential and everyone's talking about you. So I think you could also do that for other people including Abby Lee's Victims which there's a lot of you know a lot of girls are like Abby Lee Tortured me mentally and you know mentally abused me I did the M Nia and I was like, you want to come on the podcast? Cause I'm so, I so need to know her story of it all. Yeah. But kudos Jojo for speaking out. And I love that she DMed Miley.

I love that Miley said, like text her back. I get it. Cause it is so easy. I mean, I'm sure I did too. Like we went two weeks ago and probably said something about something about her, but you know, it's easy jokes, but jokes can hurt. Yeah, and especially when you idolize a person too, I totally feel what she's saying.

Oh, I know, the fact that she showed the picture from her fifth birthday. I know, when you're like a stan of someone, you're like, oh damn, it hurts a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though of course, Marley is like, I mean, she's Pan herself, so I think she definitely understands

the queer spectrum, you know, but. It was a joke for sure. Yeah. But. Yeah. Jo didn't like it and she spoke out about it. Yeah. I think at least, like last week we talked about

how maybe she'll look at her childhood differently when her brain develops. Yeah. She said that, right? Yeah, she said that. Now she waited a few days to craft a response that was very eloquent and well put. So I feel like we're seeing growth.

Yeah, when she's 21, 22. Yeah. So much growth. I know. I think about that. I was like, oh, God, like nobody like what the David Dobrik when I knew him at 22, he would never, you know what I mean? Yeah, we're seeing it's a trajectory, I think. And let's celebrate that. You know, I mean, let's, you know, people like to be really critical. And I get she is

She does deserve some criticism not invalidating that but I think she is Yeah, she's very really really young if in child star syndrome like the sympathy people have for other child stars I feel like they should still have for Jojo because she is also very much a child star. Oh for sure and like a very Crazy one because there was like reality show and it's like, yeah, her child's startup was a weird path. Yeah, and very blurred lines to... What's real, what's fake, are you acting, are you performing?

Which part of this is performance, which isn't. Like there's a lot to work through. No, it's so concerning. It'll always be the most concerning that she doesn't think like Abby Lee, that Abby Lee is the reason she's successful and it's like so bizarre to me. I was like, Abby Lee was a monster. I called out my own crowd at Philadelphia when they started chanting Abby Lee was like, is the reason she's successful. And like, she, it's like so bizarre to me. I was like, Abby Lee was a monster.

I called out my own crowd at Philadelphia when they started chanting Abby Lee. I was all like, oh no, like, mm-mm. Not Abby Lee. There's nothing, again, there's nothing queen about it. Honestly, honestly, now that I think about it, okay, if someone's like, we're gonna ruffle feathers this season on the Traders, and it was Abby Lee,

okay, kind of a serve, right? Because there are people that love her, and she's polarizing. Michael Rapoport's not Abby Lee, you know what I mean? Like, there's nothing redeeming about him. I don't think there's anything redeeming about Abby Lee, but I get that there's a fandom behind her. Michael Rapoport, where's the Michael Rapoport fans?

Sorry, it still bothers me so much that he's on there. Like, why? That's so weird. Like, what? Put the O-Von on there or something if you want someone controversial. I don't know. Is it he?

I don't know. My dad brought him up this weekend. I was like, I don't know. People really seem to love him. I don't know either. Oh they do. I think, I don't know. I heard he had like, I don't know.

I don't know. I thought he had someone controversial on recently. I have no idea. Oh he always has controversial people though I think. But people love him. But I think people still love him. I don't really know. I have no idea. Oh, he always has controversial people though, I think. But people love him. But I think people still love him. I don't really know. I don't know either, actually.

He's a man, so it's a lot easier as we know. That's so true. A man with a mullet and a southern accent. They're like, we love him. A man especially plays the middle a little bit. I feel like he gets away with a lot. Yeah. Because he kind of appeases both groups, I guess.

Okay, no hate. Someone else who called out a little encounter was Doja Cat. Have you seen the Doja Cat controversy all over? Yes, I wanna talk about this one. Oh my God, it's been such. I wanna talk about this one too. I'm excited for Moses' take on this.

I know this was a hot topic for you. You didn't mention it all weekend. It was, because it was horrible. Okay, I'm excited for Moses' take. What a king, okay. I'll set it up, Moses. I'll tee you up. I love a set. You do the best setups ever.

So there was a video that went viral a couple weeks ago on June 6th. I remember when I saw this, I instantly was like, this is kind of weird. But Pablo Tamayo, he's a TikTokker, met Doja Cat outside of a party, I believe in West Hollywood, and said that he, in this TikTok,

he said, I'm about to give my shirt to Doja Cat because she's the iconic girl. And he pulls off his tank top and he gives it to her because she had complimented it. And it says hot boys kiss boys, which like love the sentiment. And in the tick tock, like they exchanged names, they hug. She says, nice to meet you. He says, I hope you have the best night. And he grabs her arms and like flings her around

and hugs her really tight and gives her like a kiss on the cheek. And even in the moment, like people were like, oh, see Doja is nice to her fans. But I'm like, this is still kind of weird to me. Oh, right away you thought that. I did, even though like, Doja hadn't even said anything at the time.

Like I saw around the time it came out. And I was like, it's you thought that. I did, even though like, Doja hadn't even said anything at the time, like I saw around the time it came out and I was like, it's still a lot, cause he also asked like her real name and just like the context. I think after especially hearing everything that Chappalron has talked about with like setting the boundaries and stuff, it kind of gave me that again, where it's like the parasocial like thinking celebrity is like your best friend, even though you don't know them, they don't know you. Is it a famous TikToker?

Does he have a lot of followers? Um, he's a lot of followers? He's a pretty decent sized tick tocker. Yeah, not like, you know, a huge influencer or anything. But he has like a following for sure. Yeah. And, and also like this was his own like shirt that he made. So it's obviously like a good promo for him to have like give it a Doja Cat making a viral video out of it. But ask for it. Yeah, like I think she just complimented it. And again, for context, she asked, she asked for it. Yeah, like I think she just complimented it. And again, for context.

She asked, she asked him for a shirt. He said, I don't have any here. And then he offered to give her. But she asked him for a shirt. The shirt, he makes these shirts. She likes his shirt. He's like, I'll get you some. I want that shirt.

But I don't have anything here. It's his merch. So I'm gonna give you, yeah, he makes those shirts. So I'm gonna give you my shirt right now off of my sweaty body. Okay, which I mean, like in theory is nice. People do do that give you my shirt right now off of my sweaty body. Okay. Which I mean, like in theory is nice. People do do that to me.

They wanna give me everything crusty dusty. They're like, here, have this. I'm like, I mean, you know, nice. It's a nice sentiment, I guess. Cause you're like, I guess I've done that too. Someone give me their Labooboo at Pride. And I gave them my hat that I was wearing. I'm like, I don't know if that's like sanitary.

But anyways, I get the sentiment. I get the sentiment. Okay. I saw it and I thought, oh, oh she's just my initial reaction was like Oh, she's you know, cuz some people are like that. Some people are just like wow, you know excited to see You know, so I thought I thought she was just excited to I think she knew him I don't know the I think it looked kind of weird from the jump. So I mean also like no hate to

Pablo yeah, cuz obviously I feel bad too because like though It's a weird thing where people are very divided over it and then people are very hateful on both sides. I'm not trying to contribute to that. But the beginning of her video, her arms are crossed so she does seem a little uncomfy. She just was partying in a club. She's obviously drunk. He also said that he was drinking too so there's that element as well.

You look cold when're not doing this. Like you're like, oh, I'm so cold. I think like she's like put on the spot, like on a camera on a, for a TikToker. She was just partying in a club. She's coming out late at night in West Hollywood. She's a small girl. Like obviously, you know, he, he does say like,

I'm gay. I would never want to make someone uncomfortable, but he is still a man. He's like bigger than her cause she's so tiny. It's not like I'm, it's not because he's a man. It's like, like when it was gay or straight, it's the way he was using his hands all over her body. Like, cause I watched the video and I was just like, his hands are constantly holding her.

She's constantly being held by him. So he holds her arms, talks to her, hugs her in. Then she walks back. Then he holds, grabs her arms and jumping with her. He's never letting go of her arms and then pulls her in again. No, for sure. I think 2025, like grabbing anyone is crazy. Cause we've been to so many meets and greets. Yeah. I've never seen anyone. And if I did see, I would stop. Like I've never seen anyone like, yeah, hold you, bring you in No, not let go someone did that with a microphone. It was it at the Greeks. Oh, yeah I remember it wasn't even that big a deal, but everyone gasped. I was like, oh which is like I mean, yeah I guess in hindsight, but yeah, no one's ever that is that's different. Like you said you're drunk and you're out

I guess I don't know. I'm not around drunk people like that. So I don't know but yeah, either way It's probably not cool to like someone said they didn't want to be touched. with a dojo cat who said that yeah, so she she tweeted on the 13th So it was like over a week after she got about it She tweeted I threw that musty shirt away by the way, and then she said bottom line is I'll smile at you But it doesn't mean I f with you and don't touch me and manhandle me when you don't even effing know me if you know You know I honestly think I need to stand up for myself in the moment sometimes, and he didn't even know my effing name

to be touching me and kissing me on my face like that is crazy. So yeah, it was, people, she ended up deleting the tweets because she did cause like a lot of controversy and people were like giving her, a lot of people were calling her out because like she complimented how we smelled, she said oh you smell good so then to call

his shirt musty people call that out and then saying that like she looked really she didn't look uncomfortable in the video because there is a moment where she hugs him back and like she like lifts her leg up so people like screenshotted that it's like oh you looked comfortable here but the trauma responses are real like yeah, it's like Fight flight freeze or fawn and as I'm a fawner for sure honor is it's when you become When you appease and people pleased to minimize conflict and that is so me. Oh For sure. I was saying yes to everyone and everything back in the day. Whatever they want to do. I was like, well, yeah, whatever. Doesn't mean I'm not comfortable with it.

The most like I like the biggest example I have of this is I said the story before, but I got lost on a hike and I finally exited after like hours and it was so hot and I was dehydrated and I was finally like almost at my car. And then this man started like stalking me and then stopped me and said like, hey, like you want to suck my dick. And I literally thought I did not want to do that. You did it? No, I almost did. I was like, he, like you wanna suck my and I literally fought. I did not wanna do that. No, I almost did.

I was like, he was like, we can go up there. I was like, okay. And I just like, my mind just automatically said yes. And then I was walking, I was like, actually, no, like I really don't. Yeah. But I get to that. And that's obviously an extreme example, but I'm like,

I am the same where like I people please. So I get, I don't know, I understood. Oh, I've been like that, but I'm the same. Yes. Where people please, so I get, I don't know, I understood that vibe. I've been like that, but I did it. You don't want to have sex with someone, but you feel bad, and they're kind of pushing you. And you're like, obviously, yes, that's assault. But there are times where you're just like, I feel bad, I guess. I don't know, I'm here, you're right, I guess I should.

Yes, extreme example, of course. But there's so many times where I've been uncomfortable, and you'll just see me look like I have a great old time. Yeah. And she's obviously still thinking about it a week later. It affected her a certain way. I'm surprised there was backlash on her because if she said she was uncomfortable. The issue is that now after the fact like now it does come to numbers you know she's a much bigger presence online. He's much smaller. So her just stating how she felt seems like an attack on him. And people already think she hates her fans.

So everything that was said was like, you see, she hates her fans. She hates her fans. I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'm on her side. And the unfortunate part is that both people are, let's say, to some degree, intoxicated out of a club. Both of them are not at their best judgment and behavior. So she's not capable to stand for herself at that moment. He's not able to contain himself at that moment.

And you get this explosive. Somebody around should have somewhat intervened. Somebody on her side should have been there. Somebody on his- I didn't know, maybe that she was excited and you know, who knows? No, nobody, I would never let anyone manhandle you that way. It doesn't matter what the situation is.

You should have anyone like that around, maybe no one else. You know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying, which is kind of odd for somebody at her. I actually have never seen that, you're right. Like I actually have never seen people be like that. Like pop up, not gonna have to send him hate.

Cause I, I guess I get it. But also it's like, yeah, I've never seen. Yeah. Cause he did post like a TikTok response after he said, I just want to clear this up because it hurts. I love her. I just think it's crazy. Cause she's the one at the event that was being nice. She pointed out my shirt and said, I like that.

And he said, now she's on Twitter saying, she threw that musty shirt away that I didn't know her name, that I manhandled her. I understand if I was being too nice or whatever, I will take full accountability. I'm gay. I would never want to make her feel uncomfortable. She's so iconic.

I've only been saying the nicest things. And then he speculated that maybe she wanted publicity, which I'm like, I don't know about that. And Oh, that's crazy, yeah. Yes. Both can get lost, right? Her calling him musty kind of loses me,

and then him being like, she wanted publicity, loses me, you know? I get it. I think Doja could have delivered her thing, but I get why you make a statement, because maybe she saw it, it sat with her, and then she's like, wants to set the precedent, you know?

Oh, for sure, because maybe everyone's like, wow, she's so nice, everyone will do it to her. Yeah, I think that might be it. Yeah, and then Delivery, again, could have definitely been better, for sure. And then, yeah, Pablo's part, but I don't think she wants publicity. And then he went and made a new shirt,

with a new tank top that said must-sure on it, so he's making merch after this whole encounter. I'm like, Oh my God. Okay. I'm like, I don't know. Got to monetize it. I guess you that he's not hurt from that. And she is, you know what I mean?

Like he's, she's not making March of this. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it shows you the dynamic of like how they both see the situation. He sees it as an opportunity. She's, she's, it as a moment that she was. There's a YouTuber who's making merch about his cancer, I believe.

Sometimes people just, you know. Well, maybe he needs to find it. I mean, that's his own thing, though. Right. Yeah. All I'm saying is like, you can see how. Must be it was his thing. Because also his statement was like,

you know, she was being nice. I was just being nice. I'm like, no, there's a difference. Like you can be nice to somebody, it doesn't mean they want you all over them in their personal space. Well, he knows that now, right? Hopefully, I don't know.

I think also, even though- He apologized, he said sorry, right? But it was one of those things where it was like, sorry for being too nice. Like, I'm like, well- Yeah, that's not nice. I see, I shouldn't have touched her. Yeah, like, you know, I apologize.

Because obviously his intentions were good, so it's like, obviously, like, I should have touched her. Yeah, I apologize. Because obviously his intentions were good. So it's like, obviously I love Doja. I apologize for crossing boundaries and invading her personal space. I was doing too much. I feel like that could have been better versus I was just being nice. Or I'm gay.

I'm gay, yeah. Love that defense. Because also gay men can feel almost too entitled to women's bodies and vice versa. You hear drag queens saying women come and grab me all the time. So women to gay men too for sure. Yeah. So I definitely had the gay men like,

because they feel like, oh, well, I'm not attracted to you sexually. So I can like, you know, touch your breasts or you know what I mean? I'm in both ways for sure. Yeah. You always think that. I was not good. Even like my photo with Gabby Wendy, I have the hover hand because I'm very like, I never want even like my photo with Gabby Wendy. I have the hover hand because I'm very like I never want to like

I didn't even realize it until I'm like looking at the photo about a person like I Always have the hover hand. It's like Brooke when Brooke was here. Everyone's like Oscar's hand being like a mile away Forget about that. I need to yeah, that she's not always about Sexual it's yeah, it's about energy. Like there's people that I don't want them to touch me. It's not even as it has nothing to do with, with sexuality. It's like, cause I don't exchange energies so quickly with people I don't know.

You know, it's like, there's something. Mo's not a hugger. He will not hug people. No, and they sometimes leave their perfume on me. That's horrible. Oh my God. He gets all my I feel like which again This is another thing like a person like it's like I never enjoyed like I would never play basketball

Because people get like sweaty think they're sure it's off just like you know, like somebody's sweater You know what I mean? So here again the guy That's what I understand. Only in TED Talks. You were up on there and it was funny. He was playing a character. Yes. You're the only one I would do that to. But that's why I understand her side of it.

Because it was just a lot. It was too much personal space. It came to screen. Yeah, I'm so torn. Because I do get excited about people. And yeah, I would probably jump on people too. Did you jump on Gerard? Did you? No. That know what I'm saying?

Like, would you imagine grabbing him by his hands and pulling him into a hug? I probably would want to, but no, yeah. Even Jason Momoa, did you like? Well, that's what I was thinking earlier is like, I don't know if he set the precedent, but his his would go viral. His meet and greet photos of him like doing that. Usually those people ask because even for for your meet and greets, don't they come up and be like, oh, can we do this?

So what I know from those Comic Con photo ops is usually you ask them, oh, can we do this? And they say yes or no. And then, you know. Yes, and I remember asking him because I saw him do it with so many people and I was so scared because the go-to meet and greet, because I do pay for meet and greets.

I did Donny Asman, Britney, Justin Mba. And the go-to is you just kind of standardize. That's me too and things. But there are people who are like, can we do hearts? Can we do this? And then people ask me to do the Jason Mamo pose on them. So it's so interesting. But I had seen so many people do it with Jason.

I don't think I would have been comfortable to ask him, like, could you just put your arms around me? So I wonder who the first person is that thought of that. But he was so down. I was also that person. I'm running me in the meet and greets. Sometimes people come with their boyfriends or their moms and you know, you do group photos and individual But sometimes the moms the boyfriends will be like, oh, I don't need an individual. Can she take it?

I was like, yes, I used to do that I used to buy six photo passes and so, you know, they're like $250 for like that so I would just spend like a thousand dollars and And I would always be like because you only get one pose Especially with someone like Jason Moe you literally get like two seconds with them. I'm like I actually have six photo passes Okay, what's this and then by the end of it I was like I kind of love it so when people People's parents would do that like I'm so sorry I was like no like I'm like I kind of love that cuz and then my mom ended up giving me her photo pass like

The third or fourth time so I like seven photo passes. And there are people who are so cool. Like Jason Moe, you see all his meet and greets. I mean, he is like, just like, of course people are asking him. He's not just doing that. You know what I mean? People are asking. Yeah, it's true that the event is like a photo meet

and greet too. So the circumstances are also, yeah. Yes. But you know what? I think about that sometimes. It's like, what if someone, I guess people do call them out when they say like, no. Some people call them rude if they don't do like certain poses with them, you know what, I think about that sometimes. It's like, what if someone, I guess people do call them out when they say like, no, some people call them rude if they don't do like certain poses with them, you know.

Who is it? I know it's kind of like triggering, but Chris Brown, I think does like really sexual meet and greet ones. Have you seen his pictures? He like straddles them. He like picks them up and like their legs are wrapped around him.

I think it's a thousand dollars to meet Chris Brown. And I think he does like, that's his thing. He just does like really sexual poses with everybody. I guess if it's consensual, then I guess, I don't know. Yeah, I guess it's. Right? Like I know for other, I don't know. Yeah, literally I guess it's just if it's consensual. Yeah, it's okay.

Like have you ever asked for a pose when you met someone? I don't think so. I think when I met Tyler Posey, the Teen Wolf, I was like, can we just look like, I don't know, like, I think I said, can we look dramatic? Like, it's because the Teen Wolf photos, they're all like serious, so yeah. Oh, because you kind of knew too ahead of time.

You're like, let's do this. Yeah, but nothing super specific. The Chris Brown photos are. Do you see it? Show them the Chris Brown ones. They're wild. I mean, he's like grabbing their butts. They're like sitting on him.

I would be scared to do that because what if someone later on retracts that consent and be like, I didn't want that actually. But the photos, I mean, it's for them to have, not for him. He doesn't care. I guess. But you know, people can like change their minds. You know, maybe after the Chris Brown stuff came out and maybe people are like, actually, I guess we're doing this after them. So you already kind of know what you're getting. I guess okay

Maybe a bad example, but I just I always think of those. I was like, that's so wild Doddy's another one who's really cool. I mean, I never do anything crazy, but I'm always like Can we do like a prom pose and you know, I love doing poses with people I think that's cool when people have poses. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever said no To a pose I guess someone wanted to do something crazy, but Yeah Yeah, I don't know if I've ever said no to a post. I guess someone would do something crazy, but yeah This is a new one. Everyone does. Oh that and they're the end fairy. I think it's what it's called and fairy Yeah, for kpop. It's like the little thing that you end on. I learned a lot from my time as a icon Yeah, sometimes I'm like, I don't know what that means, but okay. It's cutesy.

I think it's, yeah, it's cutesy. It's like the little, whenever like when the K-pop artists perform and they end the performance, they end on like on a little pose. So it's like what they do. Yeah. I don't know if you can tell because my fingers are so chubby. I love when they do like press tours, like when Barbie and other, I think Robert Pattinson for like Mickey 17 went to like Korea and everyone like wants them to do

The little like ending fairy. It's so cute. Yeah Yeah, this looks like a little heart or something. I like it. Okay, good to know everyone did those at my things It's like I love that so much Never sorority stuff. Everyone's like wanted me to a sorority weird things with like my hands I'm like, I said yes was I hope it's not like a little naughty or something that I'm channeling It's always some weird something, but. Greek letter thing or something. I don't know anything about sororities.

I don't either. But I feel like I'm glad, knowing Moses is on the same side as me makes me feel better because a lot of people were very much team Pablo on his side, but it's also a lot of people just don't like Doja, you know. Cause I do see his side where in the video, again, my initial reaction was there was nothing wrong. She was excited to see him.

It looked like she was a fan, you know, too. I think just me contextually, honestly shout out to Chappell because I feel like Chappell was on the front lines of the parasocial and setting the boundaries and stuff. And also too, I was thinking about that. I was like, everyone was really mad at Chappell when she set that boundary.

So I'm like, even if Doja I think did say it like in a nicer way people would still be like Oh, she hates her fans because people were so mad at chapel for just being like you don't know me You know don't call me by my government name, you know, like don't when i'm out of drag Oh, he did ask about her name. Yeah, I said what's your real name? And so yeah It's a little invasive. Yeah, just from like what i've heard from Chapo, I think that is always like in my mind, even the meeting Vanilla Mase. I was like, I'm not going to say her government name, you know, or you don't think it's vanilla. I don't know. I'm not going to find it.

You know, I thought that was a funny vanilla mace. Whatever she chooses to go by. First, I saw Pablo's TikTok. So first I saw his side. So I was more prone to even be on his side and then I went to look at what happened. But if you look at that video and just look at his hands, because when you see a video,

it's like a magic trick where your eyes go. So when you see the video, your eyes go to him, to her, smile, the shirt, but just look at his hands. You raise everything else from the video, just look at what he does with his hands all the time. I was like, ouch, okay, now I get what she's feeling and why. This episode is brought to you by Dazon. For the first time ever, the 32 best soccer clubs from across the world are coming together to decide who the undisputed champions of the world are

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and no one is like that usually. Yeah, I'm sure that alcohol probably had something to do with it too, you know? So that's why, yeah, I don't want, I feel like people just are getting too intense on both sides. Like, you know, I feel like on both sides, things could have been handled a little bit better, you know, to say the least.

Some people are just very touchy-feely too. Some people just love to do a little Grabby grab who was oh, that's what it was a different story It was a judge cap but there was someone on an airplane recently who said they Like tapped a flight attendant cuz she'd like skip their row and the flight attendant like was like don't touch me And like half the people were on the side of the flight attendant being like yeah You shouldn't touch them and the other half was like on her side cuz she's like well she had walking past our aisle

Not anything and she was just like, excuse me. And then the flight attendant was like, don't touch me. I'm very much a person that's like, whatever they're comfortable with is like, you know, like I don't think I'm entitled to touch anyone that doesn't want to be touched, you know? So it's like whatever they are comfortable with and whatever boundaries they set,

I feel like should just be respected. No matter where you're working, you know? Yeah. Same with like, it doesn't matter if you're flight attendant, it doesn't matter if you're a stripper. Like if you don't want to be touched, if you don't consent to being touched in that specific moment, then that is like who... I feel like people get a little bit too entitled to, you know, because you're comfortable with

something doesn't mean the other person is. That's true. I feel like again, it's like a 2025 thing where it's like, yeah, when I was like little people touched a lot, like they would touch people like servers, that kind of stuff like that. But now it's like cool. Yeah. But don't they have those little buttons in the airplanes for the flight attendants to come? No, but in general, like in general, the rules just don't touch. Like you're sitting, the person is like, where are you even, how do you choose where to touch? Are you going to poke their elbow, their arm?

It was the elbow. You know what I mean? Like where, like just don't if you need to even think about where I'm going to do that. That is true. And if you're flight attendant walking and there's like 50 people, imagine how everyone are like poking you. True. I do hate a poke.

Oh, I hate a poke. I think I'd rather you grab me from behind than poke me because pokes are crazy when people like run up from behind you and like go like this, this, this. I'm like, what the hell? Like take a little piece of paper, wave, do something. You know what I mean? Like there's a million things a way to get. If that person is so busy, they can't even see you, definitely now touching them is not going to help the situation. Poking is crazy. That's, yeah, that's actually so funny. Not funny, but like I said, in general people don't, but a couple of times it happens. You're just like what the hell?

Yeah, it just catches you off guard and it's just like, you know Walking with like five other people and someone's just like tapping you even on Facebook. Remember on Facebook people would post Oh, is that taken away now? I don't even know if that's a thing anymore. I don't really use Facebook like that Where's he at Looking the mess that's for sure. Oh, he doesn't look good anymore? He tries to look really cool now. I forgot, he did someone's podcast where he tried to look like cool.

It was almost like old guy trying to fit in with Gen Z. He had a chain and he had a black t-shirt and baggy jeans. He was giving kind of like Hood Beast vibes. I'm like, okay. Weirdo. Oh no, yikes, okay. No one uses Facebook except for Moses. He loves Facebook.

He told me he was famous on Facebook before we met. I mean, even the sentence of he loves Facebook. You do love Facebook, babe. You love Facebook. When I met you. In 2007. You were like, you were all about posting your videos on Facebook.

You were like, Facebook's where it's at. You loved Facebook. When I met you. Where it was. it was where it was like I imagine 2020, not 2007. You said I know, I know, but I'm saying like Facebook, like the way I used Facebook was when Facebook was something like actual social media platform. There was no TikTok Instagram. You don't post on there anymore. No, my mom does. Exactly. That makes sense.

That's when everyone left Facebook. It's not even connected to her Instagram. She just like posted a whole separate thing on Facebook. You don't post on there anymore? No. My mom does. Exactly. That makes sense. She'll post like different posts. That's when everyone left Facebook. It's not even like connected to her Instagram. She just like posted a whole separate thing on Facebook. I went to her page and she posted like really different things. I think she has like friends from like high school or something she posts for. Because I was like, this is a very different-

Audience? Audience, yeah. She's not posting my Poshmark over there. She's posting like, she'll be like on stage with me, but she won't post it on Instagram, but she'll post it on Facebook. I'm like, who are you posting this for? That is so funny. I don't know who, but she does love Facebook it on Instagram, but she'll post it on Facebook. I'm like, who are you posting this for? That is so funny. I don't know who, but she does love Facebook.

It's for the moms, I guess. All right, Mark Zuckerberg, you win because you still have the moms on your side. But I am not a Facebook person. Not my thing. Oh, I did change my status to married on there. I was so excited because I was single for so long. I was so excited to put like, married.

I wonder what mine, I don't know if I ever changed mine on there Did you never change your status because the other person has to accept it too You can't just like change your status to somebody who had the accepting. Yeah To make it like link to someone else like engaged to or married to yeah married but if you put to someone yeah That was the whole conspiracy. I think it's all because of Gabby Hannah That's the conspiracy with that. It's because she put in a relationship with Bo Burnham,

but it was a fake Bo Burnham page or something. Oh, I forgot about this. But I don't know what her explaining was. Was she catfished or was she like she kind of knew or was her page? I don't remember. I think she claimed it was all kind of a joke on her side because she probably made that account too. She was like that person that makes up the multiple profiles to make the catfish look

real. Yeah, I think she Photoshopped pictures of her. I mean, again, I'm not knocking it. I probably would have done that. I probably did do that. I mean, you didn't marry a cardboard cutout, so I don't know. Right, but at least it was a cardboard cutout. It wasn't like this is Brad Pitt or Keanu.

I guess I had Keanu Reeves too. That's so funny. I mean, yeah, to be a whole profile of someone else is kind of wild, but. I just saw a clip of her in an interview talking about people criticizing her. Recently? I just don't know if it's new or old. She's like in a university. Oh, probably old. I mean, I don't know if it's new or old she's like in a university

They do always get us with the old I know yeah dates Yeah, I don't see anything I mean maybe though she does randomly make a appearance Yeah, just random things Yeah, I haven't seen her in a while, but internet staple, honestly. She has some good moments in internet history. All of them. No Justin Bieber? Oh, okay.

I don't know. We have time for both. Yeah, okay, do both. Okay, okay. I don't know. Take it away. I was like, not Justin Bieber. This is

what I was going to transition the beginning for Father's Day. Just another Father's Day hot topic and it now drives me nuts that like something else was on Father's Day and I had to do with a father and now I can't think of what that was. But that's okay. The Justin Bieber. We were most this was most hot topic actually this morning too. Moses like you see Justin Bieber story. I was like, no, I did see it. I think in my mind, you should probably stop messaging him.

Why? I feel like now more than ever is when you message somebody. Now that I see his character, I'm like, I think- It's a cry for help. But he keeps saying, he makes stories after stories of like, guys, don't try. That's what a lot of people say before it's too late. A lot of people will say that too. Be like, I'm fine, everyone needs to stop worrying about me, but it's like-

No, he said, I know I'm broken, I know I've angry issues. I'm trying I can't make I can't make it work. I can fix this Justin Bieber, I guess it's a thing. I don't know maybe he helped me film the lore I can I can try and set this up I I don't know the full lore behind it first thing I see is He posted baby the baby picture like just have a good the baby's hand or something on the back of its head And then he had a middle finger his captions are always the middle finger, which is wild, but then I saw the Haley Bieber Father day father's day sucks So then I had to go to X to see that it was like a reference to him saying mother's day sucks

So I guess it's like a play there I Saw well, okay, the first thing I saw this weekend was the no boo him at no boo Malbo at the beach being like hey guys leave me alone and he seemed fine in that one. He seemed fine His stories though last night his eyes were a little bit. I Just feel like when someone's calling out for help, I feel you shouldn't stop Even though he's asking people to stop. I feel like you shouldn't stop asking if he needs help Cuz I'm a summer family friends. He doesn't say he has friends. He has close friends But sometimes okay when I crash out on the internet in 2019 like spiral the guy was spiraling right and people are like calling

Wellness checks on me and stuff. I think then there's a there is a point where like I Need to get off the internet I need to help myself So I think it's like, you know, it's a cry. It's a cry, right? It's like you're, you keep posting this stuff. You're posting the middle finger. You're posting all this stuff like that. I feel like it's a.

Right. And he says he has a lot of trauma and pain that he's dealing with. The problem is when you, when you're that famous, you're surrounded by yes, man. Even his wife is a former fan. Like, you know, he's surrounded by people that will do what he wants on his terms.

And even the messages, with somebody calling him out for lashing out, and he's like, bye, you're blocked. Like, I'm not gonna take- Who was that? Who was that? I didn't get that in the text message team. I don't think he showed names.

But all I'm saying is like, I don't think the problem is with famous people like that is that they don't have anyone around them that can do that. And if somebody tries, they're out of that circle because they're just too famous and usually wealthy. I don't know how wealthy he is to be told what to do or receive any help.

I don't know. I felt, I feel just sad. And I feel like people are, I feel like people are genuinely concerned about him and not just like mocking him. You know what just sad and I feel like people are genuinely concerned about him and not just like mocking him, you know what I mean? I feel like people are genuinely concerned because he has so many fans and I feel like that's why no one says anything.

I don't know, I just think it's him posting so much, that's always like a sign of like spiraling a little bit, especially all the middle finger emojis. He posted his story to his feed today so he really wants people to know his sentiment of like, hey guys, stop talking to me. I'll keep sending him DMs. Honestly, I feel like you never know,

you never know what can help somebody, you know? I would love to help him because honestly, I've been there, I've spiraled out. I mean, I've been everywhere he's been, I mean, that's crazy. But it's everything. I mean, not to say he's had trauma. I don't want to traumatize him, but even all the ditty stuff still happening, I'm like, damn, that's crazy.

Not to change the subject, but Dustin Bieber was also close with him. And again, not to say, I don't know, maybe he wasn't traumatized by him or anything, but it probably is just a lot anyway to see someone you were friends with as a kid go through that. I don't know. It's probably a lot of sh** through him. Also mentally. Oh yeah, he's been through a lot. I mean, because he was a kid thrown into Hollywood music world and all that with no parental

supervision. So that's kind of the worst case scenario for a child. I thought he had his mom. I thought his mom was there. She literally gave him away to Dee Dee, Usher, whatever. You know, for... The more I think about child star, and the more I'm like, maybe not. Cause you know, I know I would love Malibu as a little star,

but I'm like, I don't know, maybe wait till she's like 18. I kind of feel like all these child stars, even JoJo, who's very like well equipped and you know, kind of crushing it. I still feel like maybe something somewhere when you're so little, just working with adults all the time. I don't know if it's a good thing. Yeah.

It's all about the cost of intention. Like is the parent doing it because the parent wanted to be famous and they couldn't and now they're using the child to facilitate their own dreams and wishes. Or, you know, if a child really wants to do something and you're there to support them and help them and protect them, then it's fine.

The child can pursue their dreams. But then it's a question, is it the child's dream or the parent's dream? But even so, you even hear about people that are really well transitioned out, like Keke Palmer transitioned out well from a child star to where she's at now. She's really stable and stuff like that.

But then you hear those stories of her having me 17, having to kiss a 27-year-old, you know what I mean? I don't know where like- That's where the protection comes in. That's where you say no Yeah, that's true. I guess nowadays it's different but Justin's sad. It's um Yeah But he has a wife his family has friends is there's people around I'm sure they're doing the best they can but there's a limit to how much you can help a person

Yeah That doesn't want to help or or doesn't want to help they want it on their terms You know and that doesn't work because your terms obviously don't work like whatever you're doing Trigger people more like I feel like Aaron carter got a lot of backlash when he would go live And his lives and people were like worried about him and then kind of Maybe doesn't help the situation. I don't know. Yeah, it is. You just can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped

or like know that they need help, but it's sad cause he's like admits that he is someone who is traumatized and has a lot of stuff and like is struggling himself. Like he writes on his stories, but it's not like It's like what can anyone do it's tough The hilly beaver thing you think was just a comment by his comment you think she wasn't like Signaling anything no, they go back and forth a lot. I'm like, I can just fuels fuels fans of flames I don't know. What's it mean when you do more flames fan you fan the flame

That's what I'm saying. I feel like it fans the flames more to like chirp in with it. Yeah, I would imagine it was probably one of those things where she thought she was being cutesy. Not the time. Yeah. Then the other stories start coming and you're just like, oh, actually. Yeah, because she's always been very, like, anytime the rumors have come out that they're having issues, she was very vocal about, like, squashing it. So I feel like she thought she was, because she's kind of in this era right now where she's, like, being in on the joke, like, with the vogue when she pulls out, you know, the love spell that she used on Justin that a witch gave her to make him fall in love with her.

Oh, I see. She's making a lot of, like, self-referential jokes about the internet thinking she's a stalker and stuff right now internet thinking she's a stalker and stuff right now. Okay. So she's kind of in her jokester era. Which doesn't align well with Justin Bieber's cry for help era, you know what I mean?

You're kind of like, damn, are we okay over there? I wonder, yeah. Damn, yeah, probably not the time to make that joke. Yeah. Maybe she didn't know he was going to. Tea, yeah. She probably didn't know. Because his Instagram feed is wild right now.

It's just socks and hands and text messages. Yeah. I love Justin Bieber. I really did pick the wrong time to become a Bieber, though. Or maybe the right time. That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't keep DMing him. I loved all the times that you rained on my parade.

You're getting closer and closer using my name. And he has been working on music. Like he was in Iceland or something working on music a couple of weeks ago, so I don't know. I would gag. I would gag for new music. Okay, I hope he just stays creative. I hope he stays focused.

Yeah. And paparazzi, leave him alone, I think. I'm scared. That part. Yeah. Who was, oh, he was at the, maybe it's old. I have to look at these clips. He's at the montage, I think, too.

And the paparazzi were trying to get him. He's like, what are you guys doing here? Like, I used to see him at the montage all the time. He used to get my hair done at the salon. Ken Pape, no, that's not his name. Who did I get my hair done by? I can't remember. Don't think he used to live there

or was that you that lived there? I think it was him that lived there. He lived there and I see him all the time. So I saw another, I don't know if he still lives there, but I saw another one interview, like a paparazzi out there and I was like, oh God, he just looks, even the noble, he's like, oh, just like leave me alone. And they just don't.

They're like, we're on the sidewalk. He's like, I don't care. He's like, I am a dad, I'm a husband. Like I feel sad for him. Me too. Being stalked by people is scary. And even though it is becoming a meme too, like what's not clocking for you? I'm standing dad, I'm a husband, I feel sad for him. Me too. Being stalked by people is scary. And even though it is becoming a meme too, what's not clocking for you?

I'm standing on business. He's using the wrong terminology. I love that. I think he meant clicking. What did he say? He's like, it's not clocking for you. It's not clocking for you that I'm standing on business. And that's becoming a meme.

But I don't even know if we should be using that, you guys. I feel bad. I mean, yeah, maybe he's no. I think he's just not, yeah. I love't even know if we should be using that you guys. I feel bad. Yeah, maybe he's just not. Yeah, I love it. It's not clocking for you. I like it. Honestly, I use words wrong all the time because these words are hard. I can't. It's just period. They're hard. And he's Canadian. So give him a break, y'all. You know, maybe that's what they say up in Canada.

Maybe. Damn. I love Justin Bieber. I'll keep messaging you. I hope you're okay. You know, maybe that's what they say up in Canada. Maybe. I love Justin Bieber. I'll keep messaging you. Hope you're okay. Reach out, honestly, been there. Been there. Yeah. I'm down.

I'd help off camera too. Don't need a, who was it? Like Dr. Phil would always sit down with people and you're like, but then you really help them or you just kind of like. Using it for, yeah. Yeah, like I don't want to keep in kind of like. Using it for, yeah. Yeah, like I don't know if they keep in touch.

Yeah. I'd keep in touch. I'm not a doctor though, so. Maybe not the one to reach out to, but. I do know good ones. Well, as you were saying, end of the internet era. End of an internet era, the end of canceled, which we. We talked about briefly, was it on Patreon?

Patreon, yeah, because it was, we talked on Patreon about, Tana on Impulsive, which, again, I hadn't seen the clips when you brought it up on there, and then I saw the clips, and literally, it's like, I love the dichotomy of Mike being there. Me and Logan, like, this is how it works, like, you and Brooke need to be doing this,

like, we have each other's best interests at heart, like, we are together. You have to have a partnership and business. And Logan's sitting there disassociating while this man is like boasting about how strong their bond is. And Logan is like, he's not clocking for Logan Paul. Like what?

Logan Paul's in a different conversation entirely by the end of it. Yes, I'm not even thinking. I'm like. Also, as we established there too, I don't know. And I do love Mike. Okay. I believe by the end of it thinking. I'm like also we as we establish there, too I don't know and I do love Mike. Okay, I do like him. Um, I don't know if that's quite like a partnership in there I think it's more of him like being a little like I don't mean this derogatory But like a little like lapdog following him around, you know, he's like if you're in Puerto Rico

I'm flying to Puerto Rico if you're there, but so that's really just dropping your whole life She's chased Logan around which is like totally fine You're making that bag like you should do that for sure. But I think they were missing the point of what was happening with Brooke and Tana having their own lives and trying to live their lives. And that was the whole point is Brooke, I think, they can't adjust to each other's schedule.

Tana has her own thing and Brooke wants to live her own thing so it's not like she can just be at the whim. Mike misses the point very much with females on impulsive. I remember I told him I was 51, 50 on impulsive and he said, so when you were 51 or 50, like he thought I was... I see that clip a lot. I was like, what? Did he think I'm that old? Can you make out how old you were? I'm like, he's like, this is like 2019. Can you make out how old you were? 2019, I'm like, I'm like 31. It's like damn.

He's like, you said when you were 51 or 50. I'm dead. No, I see that clip now. I was out of it on Impulses, I don't remember, but I remember seeing that clip now. And I was like, oh my God. So I don't think he. I'm so dead.

Cause he loves to come across as like he's just tuned into everyone, which he is sometimes really tuned in. And I do like him, but sometimes it was in the market. Which was happening with Tana. She was like explaining it to him too. And he which he is sometimes really tuned in. And I do like him, but sometimes it was in the market, which was happening with Tana. She was like explaining it to him too. And he still wasn't like clocking it. I think once he has a certain speech and idea that he wants to bring forward,

he just pushes that. I think Logan is kind of more in the know because he probably, he meant Tana talk, but Mike doesn't, he's not in the know. So he doesn't understand at all where she's coming from. He just thinks like, you remember when I told you, like when I used to, like, if there was a problem, I used to just try to solve the problem. I'm like, no, Mike, just listen.

She's not needing advice from you. This is Tana. She has a whole career. She knows what she's doing. She knows what she's going. It's kind of a man thing to do. Mike is the most like, like me, may explain yourself to you.

It was very awkward. It was very weird. I, yeah, the Mike Logan thing, but I think it's really just because Mike takes over and Logan has nothing to add. So he's just like, that's why it was funny to watch Tana and Logan because they were in the same headspace. I think Logan was in a different headspace. Right. But Tana was just kind of waiting it out, you know, and giving the answer. Right, right. Like, let him talk. Can we wait for this segment to be over? Yeah. I don't know if, what's it called?

Impulsive. I don't know if impulsive is the place to be. No. It's gone downhill. Once they got rid of that set. Tana's sister, I don't know if that's the, yeah, I know that's your friend, you're loyal, but damn, I think we gotta just,'s the, yeah. I know that's your friend, you're loyal, but damn, I think we gotta just, they gotta move on, you know, but.

She is, yeah, friends with Logan and Jake. It's very bizarre to me. I don't understand it, but I, you know. You know. Work. Work, honestly, yes. Going on Impalsive is crazy. I also feel like, yeah, I don't know, cause they do pre-film episodes,

so I just wonder if that episode was meant to go up that quick or they put it up quickly, because that clip we were talking about on Patreon was kind of like her confirming the end of Cancel. Yeah, it was the soft launch of the Cancel-ish. I know, once I'm saying that, like Cancel has been canceled and they are in the TikToks going overtime because people not love to speculate. Oh, they hate each other, they're this, but I see both of them in the comments being,

no, no, it's not like that because people are were comparing it to what I think is not a fair comparison. Also, I don't know the history of it, but the Call Her Daddy, you know, where it's like the things. Oh, yeah, to me, because with Call Her Daddy, wasn't it like it was more of a business thing? Yeah. Like it was business oriented, where I feel like with Brooke and Hannah, it's more of like a personal like. Burnout.

Yes. Both ends. Burnout. They're in different, like they are just like in very different phases of their life from when they started. Which is what Tana kept saying to Mike, and he was like not hearing it. Because he's like, well, just pivot.

And she's, OK, but like you're not getting it. I don't want to do the once a week. Like she kept saying, like, we can't get together once a week because I'm in Maui. She's here. Like he was just like not getting it. She's like, I'm pivoting to Hawaii. Yeah. It's like what? So he was just like not getting it. Like I'm pivoting to Hawaii.

It's like what? So she was, she's pretty clear. I feel about what was happening and he just like wasn't getting it. Yeah. And it, it makes sense to me. I feel like everyone for the most part kind of knew it was going to be coming to an end soon because they just, you can tell the way that they talk about things too. Like they just are way more like reserved. But even the irony is even when they're reserved, they're still starting feuds accidentally, like Paige with like Leah from Love Island, you know? Cause they've been trying to be in like

the more neutral canceled era. But even when they're neutral, they still ruffle feathers. Yeah, sometimes you can't escape it because it is kind of like you said, like the mindset of how people see you, like no matter what you say will be seen as like a hot take or controversial or they'll see stuff that's not there or maybe it is there, I don't know. Because people swore up and down, oh, they hate each other.

And I was like, I watched the clip and I was like, they both seem to be like fine ending it. Yeah, I feel like I don't, I think that they hate each other and I was like I watched the clip and I was like they both seem to be like fine ending it. Yeah I feel like I don't I think that they hate each other vibe but I to me it was a vibe of like you know they kind of have like co-worker vibes almost you know what I mean like I feel like the vibe with them is like just different because they've grown like separately if that makes they kind of just have grown apart as they figured out their own lives and what they want to do separately. Was the brand besties? I never understood. I didn't think that they ever were like I don't know if they were ever like besties like that but they're I feel like their rapport was very different when they were both like single and partying and stuff like I feel like the rapport was just different it was more just like they were almost like more

like sorority sister or something you know what what I mean? Where it's like, they were doing stuff and they did some stuff together, but they also were living their separate lives, but it had like a crossover. But as they like settled down, and they want to be less of the like out there, causing ruckus, you know? Yeah, I am. The vibe definitely changes. So yeah, I get that. Yeah. It's just so funny though. definitely changes. So. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, it's just so funny though. When we said it, we talked about it on Patreon, like all the girls want to be tapping out of gossip. It's like, gossip is not for me.

I don't want to be gossiping. I'm too old for gossip. And I'm like, well. I'm just getting older and I want to be more gossipy. You do, I just thought that. Well, I was in that era too of no gossip. And I do, there is like a piece about it. There is, but can I tell you what?

When I was in my no gossip era, what was that? 2022, 2023, I never had more hate videos made about me. So I get what they're saying. The drama channels would come out so hard of me doing literally nothing. I was like- Like meditating with tomatoes.

Yes, yes! That, that's the best example. Because I truly was in my meditation. Yes! And people being so nasty throwing tomatoes. I'm bothering no one. And everyone's talking about me. Everyone's doing this. And I was just like, what the hell?

So there is something to be said. Yeah, about that. No peace there. They really just try to destroy you anyway. So sometimes you just have to say, just step back completely and be like, this is not it. But the end of the day, gossip is what I do. Some people just aren't built for it.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's hard. It is hard. It is hard. It is hard because when you have an opinion, inevitably people are going to have opinions about your opinion.

And sometimes you are not in the head space to have opinions about your opinions. But whenever I'm not in the head space. You don't give an opinion. I log out. I mean, I just don't look anymore. You know what I mean? Like sometimes, like last week I was very sensitive

and I'm like, you know what? I just need to not see what anyone says about me. And then I'll never know and then I'll be at peace. Yeah. So it's like, sometimes I know that I just can't read comments or anything. And sometimes I'm like, you know what? I am in a space mentally, emotionally

where I can like read other people's opinions and like learn. But sometimes I'm like, you know what, I am in a space mentally, emotionally, where I can like read other people's opinions and like learn, but sometimes I'm not, you know. I can never read people's opinions. Moses will tell me and then I'm like, okay, like the Green Day incident. I was like, let me address it. Otherwise, I would never know, honestly, but it's good. He tells me the stuff that I need to know. People are upset. The stay at home mom thing. Okay, get it. Oh my god So I will you know Moses is my monitor which does help tremendously Like poking me hiring monitor moderators for her moderator

He's just like anything like he'll just tell me He'll see you look on reddit sometimes so he'll tell me oh this is happening and I'll have like no idea I'm like, okay, and it's like thank God God for reddit I think I met a moderator on reddit I don't know if I even told you that you met one of our moderators IRL love yeah she's like I'm one of your moderators I'm like girl I don't know what that means but thank you yeah I was like thank you for being there yeah it's hard yeah cuz they happen in my opinion this past year like very non they don't talk about influencers the way they used to you know what I mean so I don't talk about influencers the way they used to, you know what I mean? So I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know. I guess they're their own hot topics. They're their own controversy, like you said. Yeah. And also, I feel like it almost does go back to gesture privilege a little bit. I think when you present yourself as very unserious, like, we're just, you know, we're the outsiders, we're the outcasts. So, yes, yes. You know, I feel like we can say stuff and it's like perceived more cutesy

because we don't really take ourselves that serious. We're not like at the Gladiator 2 premiere, you know what I mean? That's what it is. Oh, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. We're not like the cute girl syndrome, you know what I mean? We're not these like hot tiny girls on the red carp carpet. Yeah, we're not the threat to anybody. That's why I said, I think being older and fatter, I think people are just like, that's cute. You know what I mean? Who is the big one in Star Wars?

Who's that big, big one? Jabba the Hutt? Yeah. People just love him. Do they? Yeah, right? I always see people do the Leia and the job with the hut and people just love him because like he's not doing anything to anyone. You know what I mean?

Like that's how I feel sitting here. I've been giving a lot of job with the hut. It's not a weight joke. It's honestly just me feeling like job with the hut recently. It's you know, a state of mind really. But um, yeah, I think that's it. I know I could never be an influencer. What? Yeah, I don't have an influencer. Wait. You don't have an influencer? That's what we saw. We said there was no influencers this year, but it's like, okay, I'll probably go in next season. So they should put other influencers with me. You know what I mean? We should have Tana. We should have like Shane. You know, there should be other influencers.

You mean like a built-in alliance. No. Why do you cross-invite yourself as? Influencers are like Alex Earl, like we're influencing the world. Tana, she has like a lip line coming out. You know what I mean? Like we have like, you know what I mean? Like I'm not influencing people.

Domino's is sponsoring me. It's because you're bigger than being an influencer. Oh, what? You're more of a celebrity than an influencer. Wow. Moses coming in with the hype always. Thank you. Okay.

I love that. But think about it, if you're all the things you're doing around and you just came back from tour, Broadway, TV. A lot of influencers are touring these days. No, but I think as far as like people knowing you, cause I notice influencers are more niche, like influencer in makeup. I might never hear about them.

Like a Michaela is an influencer. Yeah, like so influencers are more contained and you get to be a celebrity when you walk the street and everyone knows you. Wow, I'm a celebrity. I was wondering where you were going with that. I was like, what does that mean? Like, okay, I got it.

What do you consider yourself? Me? Yeah. Silly guy. Love that. That's your trader caption. Just silly guy. Cause you're kinda, like, wouldn't consider you an influencer.

You do have a brand deal. Did you post that? You did one. Oh yeah, today, they wanted it to go up on a Just Trish Day. I'm like work, yeah. Okay, but today or tomorrow? Today, or tomorrow. When it posts.

For us today for people watching or listening. I've never had anyone say that on a Just Trish Day on a podcast site, that's so funny. They want the synergy, I'm like work, okay. Okay, great, love it. That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't consider you, but you are like, I guess personality.

Oh yeah, I could be a personality. Yeah, I have a personality. Yeah, I'll take that. That's crazy. It's like, yeah, that's why I do get why it's tiring. Same with like when Tarah Yemi was on our podcast. She's like, I just don't want to be talking about select like things anymore.

You know, and I get it. You kind of just want to be, do your things on your own terms, not have opinions. And there is a piece that comes with that, but I just don't think it's ever an option or a path for us. Yeah. I think inherently we're like good at gossiping because it's like, even if we weren't in the, in the mix, we would be on our own. I was very much like, even in my peace era, like I really was trying not to look at things, but man, that modern warrior, I know you weren't involved in that TikTok drama, but when that was happening, the Johnny Depp stuff, I was glued to my phone for it.

I'm very into the- Journalism, yeah. Oh yeah, you're a journalist is really what you are. Loosely, yeah. Yeah, you have a degree. I love being in the mix. It's the people doing hard news, and then me, what's it like, Pedro Pascal being a daddy, you know what I mean?

It's like the two kinds of journalism. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. Well, they've also been doing it for four years, which is a long time to do a podcast. That's a long time. But you're right. That is I forgot about how long it was, especially in their years. What? Tana's 26, Brooks, like 28. So like they did start in their early 20s, especially Tana's 22 when she started.

So and then Brooke was having been in L.A. very long. like they did start in their early 20s. Especially Tana's 22 when she started so. And then Brooke hadn't been in LA very long, right? Right. Yeah, so it's a huge life change. And how it started, like you think about the Mindy situation, like how they were like, I will never, I mean, I love, you know, they're both wonderful,

but it's like, I will never understand that, how like that whole thing happened. And they're like, let's do a podcast together. Like that's so wild to me. I know. so it already starts out with that. I don't know I just also when you work together a lot Oh, you're on tour a lot like you're traveling together like I mean you just get I would get sick of people I get sick of people all the time Crazy me when I like don't get sick like Moses. I'm like shocked. I'm not sick again. I always found that too, huh?

I'm always just like I don't know why you don't bother me but most people do it's called love I guess so I guess that's true well everyone else bothers me there's people I love that bother me there's people in my life that I love that bother me you know that's real love like real love you don't feel irritated or you don't judge the person that I can't see for very long. You know, it's like a day is good. You know what I mean? Being together like a weekend with someone or something that seems crazy. I don't know. No, I feel you on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it is just so crazy. I was thinking about like when they announced like the that cancel was coming to an end also wild way to do like the fact that they did it in the title then it wasn't clickbait i was like work okay honesty um yeah she said it was between that or the katharine mcbroom could have been in the title but she went with the canceled is over which yeah i feel like that's probably

i feel like that's yeah that was a better title oh for sure um but yeah the way that they announced it and stuff too, I don't know, I was just thinking about like, a year ago was like the Clinton game, like who the aft did I? Oh, was that just last year? Right, yeah, it was just last year. You know what's interesting too is the preparation

for the ending of Canceled, because it's also like, they said it's going through like October or something, like through the fall. I love that they, yeah, announcing it in the middle of summer. Releasing merch. Like the podcast is over, but we have a new merch.

Oh, going on tour in Australia. Yeah. Right. That's so interesting. Like I could see giving a couple couple days. I think Laura DIY has just ended and they gave like a two episode notification. Like their second to last episode, which I was like, why are you canceling your episode? Why are you canceling your podcast? It's just her and her husband like in their house. I was like, why are you cancelling your episode? Why are you cancelling your podcast? It's just her and her husband in their house. I was like, it couldn't be easier. I don't know. I guess in general, I guess that's the consensus most people are like is like podcasting seems easy to people. It's like once a week. And it is,

I think, but I guess people just, I think also too, when you have two, it is hard to get the two people on a schedule. Me and Tana, like I said, not Loveline's going on a two week break because we just couldn't get it together. We were just like, we try to film, we film about six episodes in one day and we were doing those back to back, but still it's even hard to keep up because she's busy and busy.

So I think having two people, it's just like really hard. Two people with different schedules, different phases of life. Yes. Yeah, it definitely gets, and two like stars too, like they both are influencers. So it has a whole different dynamic too. Yeah, they're doing a lot.

Like Mike, he's the side, I'm the side guy, Mike is the side guy, it's easier for us. I don't know if Mike would agree with you on that. He wouldn't. He said partners. What did he say, partner? You are a partner, yeah. He wouldn't. He said partners. We're just like. He wouldn't agree, but we are what we are, Mike.

Okay. So it is what. I think you're a main character, but then you were like, I like being a side character. I love being a supporting character. Supporting character. Be a main character in your own life. You know what I mean? Like with your partner, with your family, you know, be a main character.

But not, you don't have to be a main character out and about and you know in your content you know what i mean like it's fine being a supporting character it's fine there's less pressure you don't have to it's not like you don't have to be the Katniss killing President Snow you know what i mean you were you were the Katniss in our Hunger Games just really like you know for the moment but i'm actually trying to lead the the revolution you know what i mean like i love supporting i was just you to lead the questions i think i'm yeah i'm gonna ask you to lead our revolution. I was just gonna ask you to lead the revolution. You do set out the questions. I think I'm, yeah. I would set someone up to lead the revolution, you know what I mean?

Oh, I love that. But I wouldn't have to do it. Yes. Yeah, I don't know if I'm cut out for it, but. Yes. I'll set someone up to do it. So there's nothing wrong being a supporting character. Right.

That works, it does work. So I think, but Brooke and Tana both have main character energy. That's true, that's true. Yeah. You think they'll start their own podcasts? Yes, I feel like inevitable. I don't know if Brooke will do like an actual podcast. I feel like Tana She just loves to gap. She is a yapper. She just is she's always been a yapper since yes

She came out on the scene. She was just a yapper. She still is she's going on everyone's podcast. She's She's on jack. She's just talking to everybody. She's on Oh, I heard Jojo doing the most random podcast. And she's always like, I'm so tired. I'm so burnt out. I'm like, stop going on all these random. She was here to like- Wasn't her resolution to say no to things? Yes. She was here at 8 PM one night and Patey was like, Jeff wants to know if you can come over and do Jeff FM at like 10 PM. I was like, girl, what? We just did seven episodes. How are you

still talking? I'm so dead. You are so right. She loves, I think, yeah,. I think she loves to, yeah. But I think like you were saying, it's finding someone who, not in a bad way, but yeah, like a side character. Who's happy with their place in the world being a supporting character.

You know, that's kind of the vibe you need. And she did kind of do that with Amari. Did they not have a podcast? Why do I feel like she had one? Or Amari might have had a podcast that she was on. And that's a he's supporting character, but I'm saying like something like that. I don't know why I remember I feel like one you had one. I think I think you're right. Yeah And I think tana had a second one even when they did cancel

I feel like she had like tana's toxic traits or tips or something. Do you remember that she did? And it was giving advice. You told me about this recently and she had like two podcasts You can't keep her from yapping and canceled cancel went away for a little while before, right? Didn't cancel go away for like a year? In between iterations, yeah, before. When they switched the companies. Yeah. Cause they said to, she's like, maybe it'll come back.

Which maybe, you know, cause sometimes you leave, you think the grass is greener, but then you miss it. Or sometimes like, oh, thank God it's over. I do love a podcast. I think I've had about 12 podcasts in the past four years. Can't hold me down with a podcast, that's for sure. Give me that microphone. You can't keep it away from a podcast. I think I've had about 12 podcasts in the past four years. Can't hold me down with a podcast, that's for sure. Give me that microphone. You can't use it away from a microphone.

No, I love it. I love a podcast. Everyone knows listening. Yeah, oh, no. What was the least popular one? Probably the last one has 12,000 views, but I loved it. I finished it till the end of the show. I loved it.

I just think podcasts are just fun. I had an ASMR one. What were some other random ones? The ASMR one was random. It was good. I truly believed in it. I thought ASMR podcast is like a banger. Cause I thought people want, you know, to relax,

go to sleep with something like what's better than ASMR. It didn't work. Why? People always ask for you to make more. ASMR, but not ASMR podcasts. No, the ASMR podcast, we get comments, I see them. That was in my PCR too, and people were coming for me because I just had Malibu and she was laying on my chest

because she was literally a week old, like, oh my God, her using her baby for abuse. I was like, oh my God, the baby's literally laying on me and it was like cooing. Yeah, and then if she wasn't there, absentee mother. Right, why aren't you with your baby? That is so true. I feel like those other podcasts I did that were small and I can't there, absentee mother. Right. Why aren't you with your baby? That is so true. I feel like those other podcasts I did that were small and I can't think.

Obviously, what we're sharing was like two episodes. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes. That was two episode. Dish with Trish. That was kind of popping. We had Shane. We had Jeffrey. Didn't you have two iterations of that or was it just one? I thought you had two seasons or whatever you call it. I had about three seasons. I did one in 2017 on SoundCloud or 2015.

And then the pink. Then the pink wall. And then I was like quarantine where like my flop era of Dishwashing when I got canceled. Podcast One fired me even though they put no money into it. And I was like, how are you firing me? Cause I just get us off the network. But that was my flop era.

That's, See, I feel like Tana will inevitably fall out in your footsteps cause you are like kindred spirits I feel like you know, she'll be no podcast like a month or something and then there'll be something else, you know I'm right. I feel like you can't keep a microphone away from her I feel like Brooke will do a different form of content. They sound like she wants to do the Brooke tries or whatever So maybe she'll be doing that. Oh Yeah, but she's probably up for two. She should be a try guy

Did she say she wanted to do a Brooke tries? I love that. That'd be great. They should put a girl in there. That's what Tiana said. Yeah. She's like, I can't wait to see you cook or whatever. Love. Okay. What? Okay. So you, Megan Merkel. Love. Well, that's a crazy comparison, but. Maybe I can see that style of show. a lifestyle like a lord DIY vibe or something. There's Lord DIY is I'm assuming I've never seen no she's done with yeah why why no? She had that podcast and they just closed it. So now what I say, I mean, what are you doing? You're married maybe she's just just living I don't know I just couldn't't imagine. Like, I guess, yeah, one day, inevitably, the inevitably. Is that the right word? Yeah.

I guess, yeah, probably. But it's like, well, then what do you do? I think about that. Then what do you do? Yeah. Then what? I guess you go to Singapore and do live shows. That could be us or the hacks of it for sure. That'd be fun. We could do a live podcast in Singapore.

Yeah. I'm trying not to mention the boo-boos, but there is a special one there. Oh no, are you still gonna be on the boo-boo craze then? Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. I guess you always find something. Like I did my ASMR era during my peace era.

I guess you always find something to do. Yeah, there'll be something else. I guess that's why people hop around, huh? And they're kind of like, oh, I found something better and then they leave usually, huh? Versus, oh yeah, I feel like with normal people, like, you know, usually when you get a new job and then you quit the job you have, like you have the-

Oh, so you think- But sometimes people just leave. You don't think they have any jobs lined up? I think they have, like, I think Brooke has an idea of what she wants I'm sure Tana does too crazy to just be like especially get a lot of music get more views and I'll know good for us like a little like sign outside the studio like come on down just buy an ad on the last episode of cancelcel. Love all the episodes.

You know, we give them an ad read and it's like, Tan, I love a Tana ad read because she'd be doing it on an iPhone from Hawaii. The quality is sh-t. I want her to be like, just Trish, a great place to come for celebrity gossip. And like, the quality is terrible. Cancel may be ending, but if you want more gossip, go to just Trish. Well, you know, I wonder what the rate is. We have to buy an ad read. I'm want more gossip, go to Just Trish. Well, you know, I wonder what the rate is.

We have to buy an ad for you. I'm 100% doing that. That's so smart. That's our audience. Gosh, I know. I'm so dead. I know. Well, come on over.

Because they've been getting lots of views. They get so many views. I was like, oh my gosh. Oh my god, I'm so dead. I love them ending on a high, though. You gotta go out with a bang on the door. You gotta know when to end it. You gotta know when to end it.

That is the secret to life. Never, never listened to that. I've always just like beat it till it's... People have just ended. They've been like, we're done with you. That. People have ended. Yes, that's true.

It's always been non-consensual. You've just been like... Oh my god, you're actually so right. Cause I really don't think I've ever walked away from anything. You were four. Even like district don't think I've ever walked away from anything. You were four. Even like District Church, I did get fired. That is crazy.

Do you remember when that happened? I was like so embarrassed. I'm like, how do you get fired from a podcast network who does nothing for you? I was like, what? And it's out of my house. Like literally she was paying for everything to film, to edit, to upload. She was uploading herself. I uploaded myself.

And they told me it was like budget cuts or something. I was like, that's bullshit. I was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to edit, to upload. She would upload herself. I uploaded myself. I was like, huh? And they told me it was like budget cuts or something. I was like, that's bulls**t. That was crazy.

It wasn't even a year of my contract. And then it was like nine months in. I was like. I'm so dead. You're so right about that. Well, hopefully I don't get fired from JustGhost, but. Moses fires you from JustGhost. I know, right?

I was like, oh my gosh. Well, um, yeah. That's so true. I'm just kidding, but. Mousy spires you from just now. I know, right? I was like, oh my gosh. Well, um. Yeah. Hopefully not Love Line is still going. I guess I gotta ask her. Sometimes I don't know.

People were asking about that. I'm like, hmm, it's a good question. Oh my God, that's so funny. And mind you, y'all end up gossiping over there too. So what the? That is true. Come to not Love Line. No one watches that. I don't know, no one ever promotes it. Whenever, I don't even? That is true. Comments are not lovely. No one watches that.

I don't know. No one ever promotes it. I don't even think I promoted it today. I need to start promoting it. You're right. I don't know what's happening with that one. Oh my god. Y'all are gossiping over there.

Six months later. I take these hot topics and it's like there for the next six months. Oh my god. Which is always, it's a vibe then too. But you know, there it is. We love it. We love Jorts. We love the canceled girls and they'll be just fine.

You know, yeah. Call of Daddy is crazy though. When you think about how Alex Cooper is like, and you know, I wonder if Sophia regrets it. She never really, really answers that question. Which means she regrets it. Yeah. Which is crazy. Don't you think you'd be like, damn, yeah, hindsight?

Well, because it's like, you know, when you go, like, imagine you have the lottery ticket and you didn't send it. You know, it's that. So she lives with that forever. You know, it's like, she was so close. Because she had said a couple times that she didn't regret it. But I was like, you have to regret that now.

Yeah. The biggest guess she has is James Charles. And the biggest guess Alex she has is James Charles, and the biggest guest Alex Cooper has is Kamala Harris. I know. You're so right. I would be seething. I'd be resentful.

I would be a little truel. I'd be so mad. Y'all wouldn't even be able to hear the end of me. I know. You think she'd go more hard on it. Because even the James Charles episode didn't kill it in views. You know what I mean?

But I feel bad that does that does suck. It does suck. You're forever seeing that. And you're just like, you can't escape it. That is the word. And she just gets bigger and bigger. She's just doing like documentaries. A billionaire. Like selling it for one hundred and sixty million. I was like, that's citing Harry Jowsey. Oh, well, one else.

That's Al for the chat. There you go. That's good. Thanks. I know Al's. Who did we see? Huh? End chat?

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