Just Trish - Moses Hacmon on Raising Newborn Elvis, Malibu As a Big Sister & Being a Girl Dad

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

It's a 'Just Trish' Father's Day special with everyone's favorite dad, Moses Hacmon! Trish checks in with her hubby to dish on how life has changed since welcoming their newborn daughter, Elvis, into their lives. How are they adjusting to life with two girls? Plus, the couple reflects on how life would be different if they were raising a son. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey guys, welcome back to our special episode for Father's Day. The number one father in the whole world, Moses Hackman. Did I say your last name right? I'll keep changing it over to you. Yes, I don't know our last name. We are married and I have no idea because I know I pronounce it wrong every time. It's just not something we say. We don't know our last name we are married and i have no idea because i i know i pronounce it wrong every time it's just not something we say we don't use it you know it's like we are the paid attackman family we're both thinking about getting it hyphenated

because we're not married and when we go to hotels it's like especially the hospital we just gave birth to our second daughter and they just had paid us in there because that's what i was registered under but i was like but it's a paid attackman baby right and it was sad to see not that because we're married and it took me so long to find a husband well when they last name came to do the birth certificate you know we put it in there and everything but yeah if you if you check in on your own that's your name so that's what they hotels are like that too. And I'm just like – Many times people call me Mr. Betas. Mr. Betas. It's very – A Star is Born. Is that the movie?

Did you watch that movie with me, Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper? Yes. Is it called A Star is Born? Something with star. They did that in the 50s too. I think Liza Minnelli was in it. And that's literally the reason the guy ends up driving off a cliff in the original one is because they call him by the woman's last name.

That was in the 50s. They changed it a little bit in the new one. They didn't set him off that much in the 50s. He's like, I can't be known as that. Isn't that crazy how people take it so to heart? Yeah. People are not about women back then. Yeah. I like how you like don't care.

No, because what matter? Like it doesn't matter how somebody calls me and when, and especially if we're like in a hotel or that kind of situation. Yeah. It's more incognito. You know, people usually use. Hackman. I should actually use it, but sometimes it's nice too because when we get in, then there's

like special stuff for the kids because they recognize the Paytas names, which is so weird to say. But shout out to all the fancy hotels that do that. They always provide little goodies for us. Especially for the kids. It's so sweet. Yeah. That's what I meant.

It's like for them, like they always do something extravagantly. Yeah, a little gift. We love our staycations. If you're in Southern California in a fancy hotel and want us to come or any in California, we're very in our driving era because we haven't flown yet with Malibu. And it just seems like a lot with kids. I know people do it but now we have two strollers,

bottles, car seats. Seems like a lot. It is and it isn't But I think it's more Disease and things like that Like it's a bigger level of travel Like in our car we're contained On an airplane if somebody's coughing

Then, you know, good luck Right, maybe we'll get an RV too We thought about that if we're going to New York Or something this fall We're taking just Trish on tour across the country. That's a lot of illnesses, I feel, just coming in contact with people. But yeah, this episode we have our special guest is Moses. But also I think you have like a co-host today.

Yeah, I don't think I'm the special guest. I think you're the special guest. You're the special guest. It's Father's Day. But you just gave birth to the baby that makes me a father. Yeah, but you do everything else, babe. You really just – we went for our first walk as a family yesterday, and it's really – we could walk from our house, but, like, there's, like, a main street, and I like to go to, like, the back streets where it's, like, safer and not so much traffic. And Moses loads everyone up and all the strollers and the car seats, and I can't really lift right now. So you got to lift every baby out.

And it's just, it's a... It's not a big deal. It's just normal day. I could feel it yesterday. I knew you were tired. I was like, ooh, I'm like so sorry. But it was... Well, it's because that one time I actually fell asleep and took a nap.

That's why. Oh, right. Moses doesn't like naps. You did. I wanted to let you rest. I was so happy. I was like, oh, he's sleeping. But I know you don't like him.

So anyways. It's fine. It worked out. I mean, I you rest. I was so happy. I was like, oh, he's sleeping, but I know you don't like him. It's fine. It worked out. I mean, I just, I enjoy the walks, just being outside, the trees, the air, the birds, flowers. It's like spring. Malibu really liked it too. She was. She was just singing, sitting in her stroller and singing the whole way. Like totally fine.

Like that was, we didn't know, you know, because she's so much older now, but she was loving it. It was nice. I love going for our walks. I feel more meditative. I feel more like grounded. I feel healthier already. It's a time we usually manifest our walks. Yeah, that is true.

We actually do. So we are parents of two. You look like a dad. Also, the glasses are amazing. You said you're wearing them to see the monitor, or not the monitor, but the audio over there. But they look so good on you. I know you wore them to drive too. Moses got new glasses.

Thank you for helping me pick wore them to drive too. Moses got new glasses. Yeah. Thank you for helping me pick them because I was lost. I was like, nothing looks good. So Father's Day, we just did a Father's Day photo shoot, which was actually really good. Malibu ended up like, usually in the past she's like not about the photos, but she kind of hyped up. I have a feeling she's more about the videos. Entertaining.

She was like dancing and singing and spinning and she's more about the videos. She was like dancing and singing and spinning. And she's more about, yeah, like doing like choreography. Right. When my mom came back in, I was like, okay, show Mimi what you just did. Because she wanted to show the photographer, but then Mimi and she's like just spinning. And yeah, it was really fun. It was really cute. And I love the ones of you guys together.

I thought it was so cute. There's certain moments, you capture them so quickly, but where Malibu can just like lean on Moses or like give him a little hug from behind.ibu can just like lean on on moses or like give him a little hug from behind and it's just like the sweetest thing in the world then she like goes and runs off and be crazy but she's very aware of the camera she's aware of like she's she doesn't make it easy because it's like my time is valuable i'm gonna give you snippets here and there this is not this is not cheap it's not just you show up and take as much as you want right and she's very aware she's like you get one

shot yeah we don't we don't even take a lot of pictures or film a lot but um it just she's so smart and aware of everything that's happening and she knows as a photographer she knows what's happening she's like okay i'm gonna make you work for this yeah she's so cute she's really the cutest i love it and she loves and she loves pictures just when there's not a photographer every morning she says, Mama Cheese. And that means get your camera out. If we're at a restaurant, Mama Cheese, get the camera out. So it's actually, I have thousands of pictures of her probably of just her cheesing for the

camera. So happy Father's Day. Wait, first I feel like I should give you a gift. What do you mean? I feel like I should give you a gift because you always give me gifts. What? I don't know if this is going to be good, but we'll see. I want you to, I want you to, it's something for now.

So I want you to open it. You want me to hold your microphone? You got it. I'm used to doing everything with one hand. We're matching, by the way. I had too much cleavage as a mom now. So I went, that's why I couldn't find my bandeau. Me too.

We're matching really perfect, actually. Yeah. I don't know why you say you can't style. Like this is a very serious. Putting a bandeau underneath a dress. No, but matching just a little bit of black under the pink. Yeah, well, I didn't really have a choice. What is that?

I'm already feeling bad. What? No, don't feel bad. You know me and gifts. Oh, wow. Oh, wait a minute. There's Malibu and Elvis on this. So there's two links, and it says Malibu and Elvis.

That is kind of a masculine bracelet. I know you don't wear jewelry a lot but when we do dress up I wear my jewelry. I feel like that's when you do wear jewelry. Because we don't wear it on the daily but I help you. I just thought this was like, it looked kind of like masculine and it has their names and I know

you won't wear it every day but I think it's cute for like, yeah. Should I give it to you today before our Father's Day shoot? I feel like I'm getting in my Ted Nefesina era. It very, oh my God, you kind of are with the glasses and the jewelry. It's very, everyone's doing it though. Oscar's doing it. Everyone's on that Ted jewelry.

It's cool. I like the font and the whole thing. Let me see the font. I didn't see. Oh, yeah, that's cool. It's so hard to find gifts for you. But I thought, it's just, you know, when we dress up with a warm bracelet or something. You had a chain on the other day and you looked really good and you never wear chains.

And I was like, oh, that looks so good on you. And so. Yeah, that was another Elvis chain. You look cool. I like it. I think it's given you. Thank you. So happy Father's Day, your first Father's Day.

Thank you. By the way, I like to match Moses' calmness because I feel like when you're my guest, it's just like calm energy. Yeah, we're not here to be like calm. I love being excited for guests. I'm bubbly and high. I'm always excited for you. As we found out from Hot Topics two weeks ago, you are my celebrity crush always and forever now. Yeah, that's my biggest gift for Father's Day.

It's so great. It's so wonderful. I've dreamed about you so much. It's almost nightly for Father's Day. It's so great. It's so wonderful. I've dreamed about you so much. So it's like, it's almost nightly, these like amazing dreams. Because I always dream about us, but it's like we're doing projects, we're filming, we're going places. It's stuff you like and mine's all fantasy. Mine's Bridgerton and West Side Story and you're fighting for me. And it's really cute.

So you're a father of two. And no, so I want to talk about you giving birth. The most amazing. Yeah. I mean, it was. But it's about you. I feel like we should. Right.

But there's a reason I'm a father. Like I'm not just suddenly. We can talk about the birth. Suddenly I showed up and I'm a father. Babe. Yeah. You did a lot of the work. Let me tell you.

There's an order. I've only been blessed with children because of you and I've, you know. It is amazing that how it all happened, like pretty much like on the night of our wedding. And the night of Donny Osmond. Well, it's true because it's like I, it was hard for me to get pregnant. I never thought I would. I never have before. Like I said, it's kind of new now to it was hard for me to get pregnant. I never thought I would. I never have before. Like I said, it's kind of new now to think of like birth control because like never in

my life have I thought about that because I just always wanted a baby and it never happened. And now I'm like, oh my God, it's like weird to like not try for a baby. I know. I don't even know how to like go about that because it was always that excitement and that, you know, trying your best, finding the right spot. The attention finder. It is weird. It's like such a weird thing.

I don't know. I don't know. It can feel like we're kids. Maybe the shift of the intention is more towards each other. Right, right. Than the baby. Yeah, because that was like almost diverting from each other. It was more, there's a goal. We gotta meet the goal.

That's a good point. And the goal was not you enjoying it, me enjoying it. The goal was like we need to... Just get it done. No, but to get it like in a very, I don't know. To me, I felt like it's very physical. It's like there's a place I have to... Really? You did say that.

Yeah, because I feel like yeah because especially after the first time because i knew the first time when it happened i knew i was like this was the moment wow that's actually that's true and i also think there's a lot to be said about that too it's like more just like when we're dating and just doing it for passion and fun yeah so it's more relaxed and more um you take your time and you kind of i don't know that's true. Because we had our, we had Malibu and we almost were trying almost pretty much right away within like three months.

And it was mainly because we weren't close in age, but also, you know, our age and stuff like that and just keeping them in the diaper stage and everything. But now it's like seeing Malibu at the age she is, once Elvis gets there, it's going to be like, oh my God, we could travel the world, you know, because Malibu is just so independent, I guess you could say. Like she's just so like walks and puts her shoes on and all that stuff. So when Elvis gets that stage, it'd be like weird to like start all over again because it'd just be another delay to go do.

I mean, it's fine. Honestly, I really do believe in like God's timing. I mean, if like he wants to have three or four kids, I mean, I guess that'll happen, but I feel like two is good. But yeah, it'll be cool. We'll be back to our like dating phase i guess where it's just like yeah just for us just fun anyways that was probably way more information on how we know there's nothing i mean just it's really the simplicity of you know intention yeah but it's

a beautiful thing i know so back to we just gave birth two weeks ago three weeks ago yeah and you were i mean it was it was crazy because it felt long because we felt like it's about to happen every day now for a month like we're kind of like yes ready to go and this time it was much harder on you physically we filmed our last episode our last guest episode april 30th because i was like may it's gonna be like i thought may 1st week May. May 1st through the 8th for sure. When Mother's Day was coming around, I'm like, do I even book a Mother's Day thing? Because I'm pretty sure I'll have this baby.

Or anywhere we go. Like if we're going too far from the house, like, you know, what's going to happen to that? I wouldn't drive anywhere that's more than like half hour because if it happens and I'm like an hour away and I'm like, no way, I'm not there at the moment. So does it take you to the hospital? Yeah, I think I was like bed rest for really, I would do the podcast and then literally just go sleep in bed because I was like just, I was so tired. I was, so everything felt heavy, like everything.

I don't know if it's age or just second baby's harder. I don't know what it was, but I was just. I hear second baby's harder, but it makes sense too because your body also didn't fully recover. They say it takes like two years to fully recover. That's true, from C-section. And the pregnancy itself. I mean, the baby, your body is producing a baby.

It's taking so much nutrition and so much stuff from your body. And I think the last, when Malibu was born, I think that was also traumatic for the body because you were like going through contractions, pushing for so many hours, and then a surgery on top of that. Yeah, it took a really long time to recover. And like mentally, so far, I mean, we're only three weeks in, but like mentally, I was so not good after Malibu. Like it was a bigger adjustment for me, I think, Malibu than having Elvis. So here the time before the birth was harder but you quick i mean so what i was trying to say is we went to the scheduled you know it happened on the day luckily and we

went to the schedule c-section and um you were so you know brave and you didn't you weren't scared you weren't or at least i mean a little bit but you weren't like you know you just walked in checked in and we went through everything and i tell you like I sit there and I'm like feeling the pain you know like every time that they poke you with an needle every time that they take blood or something I felt it in my body like every time and um because you go through so much like really that's that's what's so amazing is like the sacrifice that a woman does as far as her body. So it's not only producing the baby that's a sacrifice, going through that process, going through surgery. And that's scary.

It's like, you know, how are you going to come out on the other side of that? Everything's going to be okay. There's so much to, and now we have two. There's the baby that needs to be okay and the mother needs to be okay. So that's what I was saying on the caption and everything. It was a beautiful caption. I just really was waiting to see the two of you together, happy, healthy, and recovered and everything. Because it's something you don't want to jeopardize or risk in any way.

I wanted you to come back the way you went in. Yeah. Healthy and happy and everything. And the baby to come out healthy and healthy and everything. It does feel like that. I felt the only fear I kind of had was just like, oh, man, I feel like we're risking it again, you know, which is like worth it to have a baby. And it's wonderful to have a baby. But that's another reason why I feel like two is good because I'm like, okay, we've gone through two, healthy, happy, perfect.

And it's like, it is always a risk. I mean, there's always a risk for any sort of birthing. I mean, every baby is luck of the draw. Like it's gambling every time. You know, what is the baby going to be healthy? Is the process going to be okay? Like, and then when they're born, what type of a baby it is and what the baby going to be healthy is the process going to be okay like and then when they're born what type of a baby it is and what it's going to be like and my mother said like she was and she kept saying that she was like god blessed you guys because

your children are so calm and happy and she said like there's nothing else you can ask for because because having a baby that cries all the time or has so many babies have difficulties you know and different pains and they don't communicate and and i just know that when any of them cry for a second it's something kind of like probably um we're programmed to react to their cry a certain way like it it's like it's pain it's like somebody is like hurting you their cry hurts us oh yeah so so you can't basically ignore it or even like you identify identify it like it's a cry you hear a cry and there's a lot of people around you'll know it's your baby because it's like your body goes into a mode of like reacting to it a certain way so

not to have that it's so it's a it's a big blessing and our babies are just so they're just calm and content and happy and we're just blessed to have those moments with them they're just laying on us sleeping eating like everything i know we've been really blessed and that's why i'm like, okay, I think I'm good. I mean, yeah. It totally happened. I can see how people, everybody says we're done and the third one shows up. We're open to that.

If it happens, it's like that. And even more than that, it means it meant to happen. Right. If you're really not trying. You're taking all the measures. So there's no, you know, if baby number three looking back at this, we're cool with you. You're just as loved. You're actually, you might be the more chosen one because you just came without us intending. You were placed in there, not by us, but divine intervention.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's actually so funny. No, pregnancy is like illogical news and sacrifice it is, but like it is also just like also like a blessing. Like so many people can't get pregnant, like me for so long and it's like and to have carrie determine also it's it's it's the best thing ever i mean i 10 out of 10 recommend being pregnant if you are thinking about it but um yeah and then and then you gave birth the baby was fine and you know and the next day you're like i I'm ready to go home. Oh, 3 a.m. I'm like, I'm telling this nurse I'm ready. She's like, can you get up?

I'm like, yep. The nurse had a plan for the next three days for you to recover. She's like, we're going to try to walk. You just bounced back so fast, so strong. And it was kind of incredible to watch and admire. I don't know. I don't know how you do it, but you are one of the strongest people i know and then um yeah and then to see you with elvis and just so much i know like the whole family changed once elvis came in because it's like it sounds like there was a piece missing in the puzzle

and once elvis showed up everyone changed and everything set into place. And, you know, it's like Malibu is like in love with you and attached to you. Elvis is in love with you. We're more in love than ever. Like everything kind of shifted and we're just, it just feels like being together, all four of us. Yeah. It's the best time. It really is. It's such, I always think that too.

I'm like, God, it was like this like magical thing happened where it was like, yeah, all of a sudden we're all more like a unit, I guess. Cause obviously with the pregnancy, I wasn't like doing any activities with you guys. I wasn't going to the gym class. I wasn't, I was sleeping a lot. And so I felt drift more of a part. And even with the Malibu as a baby, I relied on you so heavily cause you were so natural. So I was like, okay, you just do everything. And I feel like this time, because we have Malibu too, it's like, it's balanced now and I get to, and I like to do it. I love holding Elvis. Whereas like Malibu, I was just like so scared. And like now it's like, but because of that, I'm closer with Malibu. I feel more confident. I feel like, and yeah, we just all, and definitely with you, I always say this. I'm like, I don't know what it was the

day we gave birth. I was just like, I love you. I'm like I don't know what it was the day we gave birth I was just like I love you I'm like more than ever and I look at you in such a different light and I don't know it's so weird so it was great we changed a lot with Malibu but Elvis definitely just I feel like wrapped it up full circle yeah and it was nice and for Malibu too she's just so sweet and so funny like giggling non-stop like I don't think she's laughed ever this much in her whole life like she's just giggly all the time yeah because we will that's one of the things that was really had to pay a lot of attention to is her whole world changed and to make it the change in a way that's a positive change because you can see it you can see how the smallest thing and especially at her age now it's a lot of like she can't regulate emotions yet right so it's it's even more um extreme because she can go to a place

where she's very let's say if something upsetting her she can get very upset but if you're not there at the right state of mind calm and collected and to kind of quickly bring her back um it's almost like triggering a person you can trigger her more right for sure she's in a place where you can trigger her to go further and further into being upset rather than just show her like everything's fine yeah everything's okay you know you maybe you can't have this now, but you can have that. So kind of shifting where her attention is. So we had to do so much work with her, which means spending a lot of time with her. Just giving her more attention and more love and showing her that the baby that joined the family is like, it's for her. Yeah. Like we wanted her to have a best friend.

And I feel like she's already starting to feel that. It's like there's somebody at the house other than mom and dad. Right. You know, and something to... And beyond us when, you know, we're gone, you know, they have their person, their family, you know. And she loves singing and dancing and all. And she's very, you know, she's a good boss.

She's a good manager. So once you'll have a little sister too. Baby sit down. Okay. You stand here, you do this. I'm going to dance here. Yeah. She's, but that's the best part. I loved having a little sister for that reason. I was the older sister and it was so much fun. And the little sister like looks up, I had talked to my sister about it. Like she looks up to you and then the older sister gets to just tell her like, okay, you're going to win. You're going to lose. I'm going to win this time. You're going to do this. Like, and it's right but it's a good dynamic because little sister wants to do it and the big sister wants to be bossy and it's just like a i think

a good dynamic for the most part but um yeah it's really it's really fun just to see them together and it's only three weeks in but you know yeah melba already gives her kisses things she wants to hold her she she's not opposing to her being in the space or being you know like no not like for the first day kind of sometimes you'll be like no baby but that was like literally lasted like two days which we're lucky because i think it can take longer for people to well like i said we did a lot of work to make it easy for her and you know we immediately brought all the reinforcement grandparents yeah we siblings. Yeah, we got lucky. We brought everyone we can.

To play with her. To just spend time with her, play with her. And she just felt like, again, she felt like good. Something like there's a positive change. More people are coming to play with her and spend time with her. Yeah, there's more good things happening. More people coming for her. Yeah.

So the change felt positive because it was hard to be in the hospital away from her that's the only reason we wanted to go back so fast yeah we were just there for i guess like 24 hours basically 5 30 we got there and we left maybe at like noon so like a little over 24 hours um and same yeah i was up at like 3 a.m because i just was like or 2 a.m i was just just like, you know, checking the cameras and stuff. Obviously, she's like with my mom and stuff. But it was just like, I don't know. I just want to make sure she was okay.

And obviously, she was. But I think – you know, and obviously, they don't remember at 1 and a half. But I just know like she's never been away from us. And like I said in my C-section video, we're such a close family. We're like together all the time. Like breakfast, lunch, dinner, 24 hours. Like the only time we're not together is doing a podcast for a few hours. And so I think because we're so, when we're lucky, we get to be together all the time. You know, Malibu sleeps right in

the middle of us. And I think it was, you know, probably a, you know, she's smart. Like you said, she's smart. So she knew something. And even when we came back, she was kind of like, what, where happened? Cause we'll leave she was kind of like what where happened because we'll leave for some time like a couple hours but not that long yeah but that was that was the longest it was beautiful i loved my hospital stay like i i was saying in my video like i loved it was beautiful we spent time together because we had nothing else to do we would have stayed longer for you just to feel you know that everything is fine with you and for safety reasons yeah um after the surgery but it was because yeah we started to think well maybe i'll go home and spend an hour

with her but your sister will come over like all of these puzzle pieces because you didn't want to leave me but i also didn't want her to be without you yeah because there's no way i'm leaving you alone in the hospital with a baby because it's like, it's insane. As long as you're at the hospital, you're not in control of your body or your baby. Yeah. So, and you have to be very stern and very strong to say no to certain things and sometimes to just, because otherwise it feels, it's very quickly, you always get bullied into. Yeah, and I'm the worst at saying no doing things whether it's like extra tests that they don't need everything comes down to poking right more

blood more poking of the baby more blood more poking of the mom and at some point you just say no we said no twice remember and they still try to convince us for some tests i don't know that wasn't required and then they really pushed two people kind of pushed like you really should do this and we're like we really don't want to yeah and this time we just stood our ground and got out of there yeah yeah it was like yeah it was because i don't know if you know the baby has an ankle bracelet like just like prisoners like you can't leave the hospital with your baby i guess it's good then they're not like no one's taking your baby.

Sure. But that includes you. So it's like. Yeah. Once they take that off, right. You know, they, then they're like, okay. That's the last thing they do after everything is. They're like, don't even use the restroom or anything.

I'm like, okay. Kind of scary. I was like, but obviously, yeah. Yeah. So it was, it was, I liked this experience in the hospital this time. It's just, I felt guilty because Malibu wasn't with us. And I loved spending time with just you and Elvis. But then I'm like, if Malibu was here, it would be perfect.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But we got to talk for a while and it was lovely and beautiful. Got to do it again. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Never say never. But did you always think that you would be a father?

I always wanted to be a father. Did you? There were moments where I thought I probably won't be because I was just not heading that way. What era of your life was that? What era did you want to be a dad? Were you like a young kid? The younger I was, the more I wanted to be a dad. Really?

Yeah. Did you see yourself as a young dad? Like you're like, I would love to have kids as soon as possible if I found the right woman? Yeah. Yeah. I saw myself as a young dad like you're like i would love to have kids as soon as possible if i found the white woman yeah yeah i saw myself as a young mom too i was not like probably 22 23 is like when i really wanted to like just have a baby so bad i remember just feeling the urge to um that wasn't even i guess i was in love but you know what i mean like i guess that but so you wanted to at a young age it just was not the right because you had girlfriends you had like girlfriends when you were young and stuff so just wasn't the right not well i think that was always my my gauge was always do i see this person as the mother of my children really that was always my gauge even in your 20s

yeah always that was always in my mind yeah oh wow so what if you didn't did you still date like everyone you dated were you like i could see this person no that's why we didn't you would just end it yeah i don't even know this is just my chance now to grill you i don't even know your longest relationship i don't think moses never talks about his relationships past which is like kind of i guess everyone's dream right like who wants to talk about past relationships but usually you do to some degree but you never do which i don't mind i don't really mind but sometimes I'm like wow I want to know well I think people that talk about past relationships they're not resolved right there's it's just not resolved for them for me

there's nothing not resolved because that the resolution was not being with that person and I guess maybe because I ended most relationships so it's easier for me to be on the side that doesn't think about it. But I don't know. You never, ever do. So what was your longest relationship before? Like a year, two years, five years? I have no idea. I don't think anything was as long as five years, but probably one or two years.

Okay. That's not really that long because me too. Mine never were past a were past a year but you know people get in like five-year relationships in the end and then to me not that it's a red flag for you guys or anything but i always think that's like a red flag right you're with someone like for seven years and then i always ask people i'm like what happened right and they'll be like i just fell out of love and to me that's like the scariest thing ever i'm like how do you i, I get breaking up for like abusive reasons, like so many reasons, right? But cheating, but like for people to just be like, I just fell out of love. I heard that like from like two different people that I knew, they were like in relationships for 10 years and like, I just didn't love that person anymore. And I was like,

that to me is the scariest thing because people do change and feelings change. And, you know, I talked about this too, like having a baby can change you, right? Like we haven't slept next to each other in like two years, you know, to go to bed and it just changes things but it's like you stop loving the person like it's crazy to me it's such a wild thing yeah i think i think relationships that i had were more like you build something up and then i would get to a point of like okay we need to take the next step and do i take that step or not? And most times it was no. So like the next step usually would be, okay, should we move in together or stuff like that? And then I would realize that no, that's not the right step to take. So you want to be a dad from like a young age

and it just wasn't working out. And then what age were you like, maybe this isn't going to work out? Because I felt that too, but I was like, I was about like, I was right before I met you, maybe like 31. I thought maybe it won't be for me. I think probably in my early 30s, I think most people go through that crisis when you become, you basically become like a full adult, you support yourself fully, you pay taxes, you pay, like you realize adult. You support yourself fully. You pay taxes. Like you realize, okay, this is what life is about, really. You're going to work, pay bills, pay taxes.

And then you also look around. You're like, what is my trajectory? So there was a moment where I felt like, because I graduated from college pretty late. I was like, am I I ever gonna own a home am I ever gonna you know have a family stuff like that and there was a moment where I felt like that might not be in the cards for me you know and um but that moment was brief you know I found you know really good jobs really good work saved a lot of money. Like I started building myself up towards at least owning a home and feeling, because I felt like that's kind of like the first steps towards having a family.

Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I would have bet having a family before me owning a house, which I was just like, that's just what it's going to be. You know, I can rent a fancy house or whatever, but. Yeah. No, for me, it was always important to own a home or, because that's how I raised, grew up, you know, and we had a house.

So like, I never liked apartments or condos or anything. So it was very, and when we met, that's what I was doing. I was looking to buy a house somewhere. I remember. I was too, actually, though. Like, weirdly enough, I was looking... It's the first time in my life I ever could afford to buy a house on my own. So then, yeah.

So then we joined forces and got... We joined forces and got... We bought our house... What was it? Like three months into dating? Because we met... It was like six months or seven months into like meeting, but like three months into dating, we bought a house together.

But I wouldn't call it like three months into dating we bought a house together. But I wouldn't call it like three months into dating. I call it like it was three months after we decided that we want to be together. That's fast. You know what I mean? Like it's you meet someone, you're not sure about it, but then you become sure about it and you get back together. I don't think I would have got back together to that dating phase unless i knew i wanted something more than that yeah you know what i mean like i wouldn't i don't like wasting my

time or anyone else's time yeah i liked meeting us like meeting each other like later on in life i guess because i think we're in our like second chapter of life but i liked meeting at the time that we did because one it's like we kind of know what we want and don't want. And it was also like, I just had such bad experiences in the past. Like when I had this like new thing happen, I wasn't like, no longer was I like, okay, maybe something better will come along. Cause my thing was always like, I think someone better will come along. And when I met you, I was just like, oh, this is, this is like what I wanted. Even though I thought I wanted like famous, rich, all this stuff like that. And I was like, oh oh this is what i wanted as someone who just wants to be with me and it was like so wonderful and so beautiful but i don't think i would have been like that had i met you in my 20s

you know definitely not yeah and um so i think it was a good time to meet plus everything was just it goes a little quicker which i like to be a little quicker too it's kind of like when you're older you're like all right we're gonna get married and have babies like yeah because it's i mean we're just more mature that's why i think those couples you talk about that after seven years ten years they met seven ten years before we did yeah so they went through big life changes and they're not the same people they were when they met or that's true they don't want the same things they wanted when they met and i think that's tough to kind of grow up together and still stay connected or aligned on this in the same way yeah that's not easy right I think that's another reason where I was like I always want to be like a young mom but I'm like thank now knowing how

much work it is and like I could not have done it on my own which I probably would have done on my own if I had babies in my 20s it would have been like just such a different especially because I wasn't like well in my head and stuff like that now I'm a little more patient and calm but I feel like when we had our when we had Malibu that was like at the time I just thought oh my gosh what did I do like oh my god I have a baby for the rest of my life but I feel like that's really when like our life you can always say this like became blessed like I feel like all the blessings started coming once we had Malibu. Like everything just seemed to kind of like fall into place.

Us, our routine, our house, like all stuff. And then with Elvis too, it just feels like everything kind of like began for us. I don't know. It just feels like a new beginning with each baby. Like Malibu felt like a new beginning. And then with Elvis, it really feels like a new beginning. I was like, oh, our lives are starting now. Yeah, there's a saying.

I don't know in English how to say it, but kids, they bring basically – it's not a financial blessing, but it is, you know, like they – it's almost like when you have kids, God helps you. Because life is about life, right? It's about bringing life and multiplying and making more life. So when you do that, when you participate in that act life supports you back yeah life provides life basically life so and we felt that you know a hundred percent and i think with each one too it's just like i don't know like with like you said elvis kind of feels even more complete and like but malibu put us on this trajectory i mean it's like not to like make it about the podcast

whatever but just like we went down so many paths of like where we were going because we actually didn't know. Like before Malibu, it was like a little bit chaotic. Like we didn't, there wasn't like a plan. Like where are we going? What are we doing? And then there was a lot of like twists and turns with Malibu's first year and then it all like kind of fell into place and in more ways than one, not just the podcast, but just

in a lot of ways, things became clear. Yeah. The people that were meant to be in our life were into our life, whatever, just stuff like that. So it just was interesting. I don't know. I love being a mom. What's your favorite part about being a dad? It's like, I don't know.

It's like suddenly there's in your life people that are more valuable than your own life. It's like the value is insane. It's like out of this, out of imagination. You couldn't imagine that. I personally love being like a teacher to them. It's like teaching and doing stuff and just helping them kind of realize their full potential and finding out what it is and then helping them realize it.

But so just exposing them to a lot of things like, today we're going to sculpt, today we're going to paint, today we're going to make bubbles, today we're going to play ball, like whatever. And you do all of that already. And see what, you know, what tickles their imagination, what they're good at, what they're happy, you know, doing or want to do more of.

But it's fun. You embrace them being kids so much. Like Malibu will paint with her hands, get it on her face, her hair, she'll color on the floor. And he really embraced just like letting them do that, like letting them be a kid. And if they make a mess, they make a mess. And what's really amazing is like, not only do they make a mess, like Malibu will make a mess everywhere. And then she'll like literally clean it up, like literally be like, wants to come clean it up. She'll be like, uh-oh. And she'll be like, Malibu. And then she'll like clean it up and stuff like that. It's like, it's great. And it was something that happened during my pregnancy. So I don't really know how that happened. I was just like, what is happening? She's making a mess and she's cleaning it up. Like

how did she learn all this? And it's like, obviously from you. And it was like such a beautiful thing to see. I was just like, oh, I love it. Cause I saw her coloring on the floor for the first time and I was like, oh my God, our hardwood floor is upstairs. I was like, what? And then afterwards she just cleaned it up. Everything was good. I was like. Yeah. I mean, I think the key is with kids in general is to not ever be angry at them so it's like you're the adult you set the rules of the game right but you also set the game right because they're wherever they are it's like it's a new game and you set the board so if you're somebody that gets upset from kids making a mess don't put them in a situation where they would do that, you know, if you can't handle it because the adult is the problem here, not the kid.

That's why we don't paint with mom, mom. I'm like, we'll wait for Abba to paint. So don't set up your kid to failure where you'll be upset with them and then get angry with them. When we get angry with the kids, we just, you know, it destroys them. It destroys their soul and it destroys their calmness. That's why kids get anxious. That's why then they can't focus in class.

That's why they get on medication. It's like everything triggers from those moments, everything. So not being angry with them. So I watch her do something and I don't come to it with judgment or anger or any fear like oh my god what's gonna happen you know like okay so she might ruin something is that something important yeah no if it's important don't have it there like it's very simple so um so we do everything in a calm way so then let's say she goes and she paints on the floor and she's like oh and then i get her wipe and she cleans it and then she painted all over her hands and then she

tells me like i want to wash my hands and we go and we wash hands so she did that she just started being like i want to wash my hands or did you tell her like okay we wash our hands now because i wasn't there for it she's very um in in general she's a very clean person. Like she has this love for soaps. I heard it was a Virgo thing. Someone told me, yeah. She loves soaps and lotions and bath time and cleaning. If there's a little speck, she's like, uh-oh, hair. Yeah, she'll tell you, you know, or I'll give her a wipe to clean the floor and she'll take the wipe and go on to clean the rest of her toys.

And I don't know, it's just her character. It comes from her. But having that kind of like safe space for her to experiment and to do things and not worry or not feel like somebody is always looking. Because I remember growing up feeling like somebody was always looking. Really? So then when somebody wasn't looking, you would get all. Be mischievous.

Yeah. So here she doesn't, if I'm not there, she won't even be mischievous. Being mischievous is part of the fun with me. Right, right. So she'll like, we're drawing on the table and then she'll take the pen, she'll look at me and start walking away. And then she'll run to the floor. It's more like a game than, yeah. Yeah.

But it's contained, right? And she understands the limits of it and she understands, you know, the cleanup and everything about it. I didn't get to meet your dad. He passed away before we met. But is there anything that you learned from him as a father or any lessons you were like, okay, maybe I don't want to be like that? Either way, because I think with everyone, my dad, there's like wonderful, there's a couple of wonderful things, but then there's also a lot of awful things. And I'm like, I definitely don't want to be like my dad in this way. Is there any like lessons?

It doesn't have to be bad, but just like any lessons you're like, this taught me this about being a father. Yeah, it's a mixture. And I'm sure us will be too. Also, there being good and bad. Every parent, like there's no perfect parents but my dad my dad was kind of like a bigger than life figure you know like everyone knew him everywhere we went it was almost like living with a celebrity like wow where we like everyone knew him everyone respected him

um i could walk anywhere to any store place and just just say my dad's name and be like, oh, you're his son. Come on, come on here. Like, take whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Like, he was that kind of person. How do people know him? Just because of his work or just because of his personality? Like, he's just friends with everybody?

Some were maybe afraid of him. Some were respected of him. Some were, you know, it's like it's a different world there was a lot of like um i don't know how to say it but but it was a you know it's a different time and it's a different world and it's a world that was very much um people that don't have money usually try to have power right so like that's why you have sometimes you know gangs mafia all those you know like they they they have power but mostly comes through violence and fear but anyway my dad was a very powerful person people were afraid of him and here and there so growing up too you know i i was never afraid of him so i was never afraid of anyone really So I was never afraid of anyone, really.

That's crazy. You know what I mean? As a child, you weren't? No. So I grew up without fear. And that was probably the... Challenge. Yeah, that's the fear almost, right? Right.

That you have no fear, that you have no... That's true. So he gave me a lot of strength, a lot of confidence in that way, a lot of, I don't know, power, right, as a person, just to feel powerful in the world. Like I never felt that I have to go somewhere and be worried or afraid or I always felt like I'm on the top and I can do what I need to do and what I want to do and nobody's going to challenge me about it, you know. So that's why we're a bit of opposites, right? Yeah. Because we walk everywhere and you're like worried of opposites, right? Yeah. Because we walk everywhere and you're like worried about what would somebody say?

Yeah, I'm always – I'm the opposite. I'm like everywhere you go, you're like you can do what you need to do because there's no reason why not to. That is interesting. Yeah, I'm always scared of like getting in trouble. They're going to yell that and you're like literally don't care. Right, because the scariest person in the world was my dad. Interesting. And you weren't scared of him so no so then nobody else would be even as a child like if he's like when it was intimidating you weren't scared a little bit as a little kid like five year old moses it's hard to explain it like you're you you more you're worried about what

he could do you know but at some point you realize i was very young when i understood the psychology of my dad interesting like very young i understood like his relationship with his dad was the reason why he was the way he was and so i don't know as a kid i understood that because i remember hearing him when i was like this small talking to his friends about things that happened between him and his dad. Interesting. So I realized very quickly like what the issues that he was dealing with. And definitely he had like severe PTSD. And he went through a lot of trauma.

And so I understood all that. So whenever I saw him, I saw it through that lens. I never saw it as me a victim of anything other than, you know, he was the victim. So he was the one that... So when you have PTSD, you have a lot of anger. Yeah. And I've kind of learned that anger is definitely not the way to go about life. And in general, like, he seemed to be very, you know, I think when people are narcissisticistic they're also a lot of times

paranoid because they think they are the center of everything so they think everyone wants to hurt them everyone wants to get them everyone everyone's thinking about that was definitely that kind of person that thought everyone if something happened he thought it happened on purpose that person did that on purpose to him yeah i used to feel when in reality it was either a coincidence or the opposite of what he thought. So I hated seeing him going about life thinking that people wanted bad things to happen to him or didn't have his best interest in mind. And so many times I would watch him go through that and get to, you know, an argument or get angry

or get into a certain fight with somebody only then to turn out to be the opposite you know and um so anyway it was interesting growing up seeing all that but i don't know and you want to help him back then where he wouldn't listen you don't think i mean the fact that you know knew that at a young age there were moments there were moments i remember one time when he visited here um it was so funny because we had one of the biggest arguments we had and it was over like i don't know ice cream like he wanted something there was a huge line i got him his ice cream whatever and then he was upset about something and i was just like because he was always the kid i was the adult you know like

emotionally he wanted more whipped cream or something it was the stupidest thing so anyway so we leave there and then he got he was all upset because like it hurts his ego or whatever and and he was um so he said something and I was just like I just looked him dead in the eyes and I said look you have to understand you're not the center of the universe you're not you said that to your dad we're not here nobody nobody wants to you know it just that's what happened and that's what it was did he get mad or was he like not personal no he suddenly oh he listened as an adult yeah or there's another time where um he was in the same trip he would always have um he would never say I don't know. Ever. Okay. He always, he was a know-it-all, right? Okay.

And one time I told him like, I never heard you say I don't know. Right. And sure enough after that, he would start to say I don't know when he didn't know. Oh, that's good. Instead of, yeah. You helped him later in life then.

You just couldn't have helped him. A little bit, yeah. I think he really cared about what I thought. Interesting. But really didn't know. I don't know. I mean, so I accomplished all of his dreams. His dream was to come to America.

His dream was to like all of his. So I'm kind of like the vessel that everything happened through. Was he proud of you when you came here? Or was he more as, yeah? Did he say it? Because you have to understand when I moved here, you know, you moved to a whole new country and you leave your family behind so my mom was heartbroken and then but my dad you know one time i went back home to visit and he was just like don't come back here there's nothing here for you oh he was like stay yeah yeah like

you're in the right path you're doing what you need to do it's fine like it's fine like don't come back that's nice and he was like all of my friends all their kids a mess like oh and he was very he was like i don't know what i did right but my kids are not you know in trouble whatever the drugs jail divorces, whatever, like, you know, all kind of like messy things in life. He was, because that's for us too. Like, that's all I want is like to have kids that will give us peace also later on in life so we can enjoy our life. If you have good kids that you don't have to worry about and they're independent and they are strong and they're, you know, capable, confident.

Also just knowing that they'll be okay when we're not here you know like oh i think that's like everyone's goal right i always just wanted my dad to see me like get married and have kids so he knows like i'm all right you know because that's all i think we want all i want for my girls is like not that they have to get married but just making sure they're okay in their life without me if i'm not here you know yeah and so he saw that from you like early because you came here what 25 so he was able to see you just kind of crush it very early and not follow in the footsteps of the people he knew. And you said the PTSD thing.

I feel like that also kind of just like alters like the chemicals in your brain. You know what I mean? So like even though maybe there was anger issues, like I know for me I had anger issues, but I think it was more of like my PTSD from my childhood. Like it actually like alters like the chemicals. Like they call it the chemical imbalance, right? Like because it's like – No, you would totally black out.

Yeah. So it's like that's something that I really think is like scientifically related to trauma and stuff where you can't. So maybe that's where it is because you're just not – you're not like that at all. Like you really don't have any of that which is i i would say you've had you've had a little trauma in your childhood just stuff you've told me in the past and stuff so i'm kind of shocked that you don't have ptsd or well i mean if you um you can overcome trauma you can overcome anything usually what happens is like you have somebody usually somebody that had trauma now traumatized somebody else.

Yeah, you had to heal it first. And they're just, they're passing. I like to look at it in a spiritual way. So like, you know, a child is perfect, full of love. Somebody that has in them some spirit that is not good, that is bad, hurt the child, now they transfer that spirit to them. So unless the child is able to forgive that person and in a way send back that evil spirit rather than embrace it and become it, then...

Yeah. So it's hard because people don't want to forgive their whoever hurt them. Because you feel like I don't want to give them a pass. But you're not giving them a pass. You're actually helping yourself to reject that evilness out of you. I just hate that they have to go through that in the first place. I think about that too. I was like, Malibu is just so happy and like just everything's happy in her life right now.

Like peace and love and everything she thinks about nothing bad and i'm like i hate that there's people that will try and but every child is born that way so it's like who you know the parents hurting the child and the child going to hurt other people it's just like ah it just makes me so sad to think about because every child is pure we go to her little class with all her little friends and they're all just like happy and chasing bubbles and like everything is perfect and it's like there's no bad anything you know they all share they let each other go down the slide they're all in these carts together just having fun and it's like gosh where does that flip where does that turn it's like

i just want to keep her in a bubble which i know it's like not realistic but i do so bad because it's like i want to keep her that way because you know we've both been through stuff where it's just like damn yeah that's why you have to be aware of it you have to keep her that way because, you know, we've both been through stuff where it's just like, damn. Yeah, and that's why you have to be aware of it. You have to protect your children from – because hate – when hate sees love, it just wants to destroy it. There's nothing more it wants. So it's like it even calls it even more. You know, it just wants to do that.

And for us, we just have to always protect our kids, be aware of where they are, what they're doing, who they're with. And it us, we just have to always protect our kids, be aware of where they are, what they're doing, who they're with. And it just, you have to, there's no other way because you don't know where that will come from. You know, it's, it's everywhere all the time. Is there anything since becoming a dad where you're like, okay, like for me, like as a mom, I'm like, I can understand now where my mom did some things. I was just like, okay, I kind of understand why she had to work all the time because she wanted to give us nice things or whatever is there anything that you like maybe i know you didn't judge your dad but

maybe it was like i thought like you can understand more about your dad now that you're a dad like maybe the way he was maybe why he was like detached or whatever do you do you understand anything more now as being a dad or yeah well i think i understood it back then but yeah okay i think you know my dad no just my dad was very um he grew up in a different time and we come from like you know basically arabic culture you know so we're very like honor and respect was the highest form of highest value and um so and and it's it's kind of like it happens in the community right so i know for my dad was very important what other people thought because that's that's kind of like the it's almost like peer pressure that's where the honor and respect and all that

so um so a lot of the things he did was because of that whether he was afraid of what people would say what they would think and you can't disrespect him or dishonor him you know um doing certain things or so so i i understood that part um i wish it wasn't so prominent because i think it's better to care about what you think about your own family rather than what other people think about your own family it's a hard one because i think a lot of people probably think more about what other people think about their family than their own family. You know what I mean? Especially with social media, I feel like now more people are so concerned what other people think of them as a family. I was at first. I was very much like, oh, I'm not holding Malibu in a photo. People are going to

think she's not attached to me or something. You know what I mean? It was in my head for so long with that. Now I'm like, I don't care as much my head for so long with that. And now I'm like, you know, I don't care as much, but it's just, it's still one of those things where it's like, you hear all these comments and more people are like, oh, I hope they think I'm a good mom. Like I have to show that because it's such a funny thing. I think when we announced, we waited a couple of weeks to announce our birth and it's like, so many people were so mad when we, when we put Malibu out right away, like the next day, oh, a vlog went up that night. Oh, she has a camera in her face in the hospital.

But when we didn't post for two weeks, everyone was upset. Everyone was like, oh, she's not posting. People were taking pictures of us with the baby and stuff like that when we were out in public. You just can't really win when you are worried about what other people think. But I feel like in general, it's funny that your dad back then, before social media was concerned about what other people think. But I feel like in general, it's funny that your dad back then before social media was like concerned about what other people thought. It would be awful if my dad, if there was social media in my dad's life when he was, that would be awful. Because as kids, you know,

we managed to protect him and hide certain things we were doing. What were you doing that you think he was maybe like embarrassed by or what? Or that would be disrespectful? I mean, I was very like, I studied cinema in high school and we were very like hippie and I don't know. Like we were, you know, like one time I had, I really wanted to grow my hair long and he was like not about it. And one time I kind of had a crazy haircut and kind of like shave one side and thing. And he just immediately took me back to the hairdresser to fix it. Oh my gosh. Oh, that's so funny.

There wasn't a lot of freedom of expression, you know, how we dressed, what we looked like, things like that. So if it was social media, I would see everything. And I think that would be, that'd be awful. He be like oh no absolutely not he probably wouldn't be allowed to have it if he was back then you guys probably would have been the household that couldn't have social media of some kind yeah or you find a way is there anything malibu or elvis would could do like that that would be like a hard no like don't do this like they want to get a tattoo or piercing at 15 15 years old. No, I mean, I'm aware of the fact that they will challenge us with things we don't know. Because every parent thinks, I'm a cool parent.

I'm open-minded. I know. But then society changes so much that something happens. You're like, no, that? No, no way. You know, so life will challenge us. And I know that something will happen that will be, to me, seem like not. And I will just have to be open-minded about it even more.

So it's like, I have to know that I won't know. I have to know that I won't understand. I have to know that, because they have to have something of their own, right? Right. Because that's how they differentiate themselves from us, the adults, and they're the cool teenagers, right? Yeah. But if you know everything and take everything, then everything becomes Facebook, right? And nothing is cool. Yeah, I can see that. That's how we destroy Facebook, all the parents on it. Yeah, I feel like I didn't rebel until I was like 18 and it was only because my dad told me I couldn't be on a TV show that I was on and told me I had to go to college and I couldn't

wear skirts anymore. And then that's when I rebelled. That's when I was like, I'm going to go be a hooker. Because I never did like in high school. I was never rebellious. I was like literally so good. I always hung out with my mom. We always went to the mall and went to the movies and I had so much fun and like never went to dances, never made out with boys, like nothing like that. And then I was 18 and then my dad was like – I like lived with my dad and he was like – I got this – I was on a TV show and they asked me back. It was called The Greg Barron Show. And he's like basically you know the story. But anyways, like a couple times I went up and they – I didn't want my stepmom to take me and I was 18 and he's just like, well, then you're no longer going there.

And he cut the Wi-Fi off and everything and then that's when I – that became my Hollywood hooker story because I was just like, well, I'm just going to go wild and like whatever. So I think you're right to that about the rebellion is like if you're just so shut off. My mom was like always very open. If I wanted to move to California at 15, she was like, okay, I tried it, whatever, you know. So I think that is kind of – she might have been too open, but it was still nice. Yeah, you have to find the right way. Still good, though. You know, how to support your kids but also not offer them, you know, because they are vulnerable and you still have to be able to protect them.

Right. I had an interview with Courtney Stodden on my first podcast, and her mom, like, was so – like, she was going to marry the 51-year-old actor when she was 16, and the mom was like, yeah, do it. the 51-year-old actor when she was 16 and the mom was like, yeah, do it. She was pushing me to do it. I was like, okay, well, that's a whole other thing. But yeah, it'll be interesting when they're teenagers, but I don't want to think about that. I'm just so enjoying the moment. I love Malibu at this age. I love Elvis at this age. Was there anything about the newborn stage that you are surprised about all over again?

Is it easier or is it harder this time around with number two? It's funny. I mean, it's easier because, I don't know, kind of developed all kind of little tricks and things how to, you know, get the milk ready faster at night. And so like the nights are easier. It's easier because we know what to expect and how to do it. What was hard is suddenly I didn't expect it, but like the lack of communication, right? Like suddenly there's again this like little being that is just not able to talk,

not able to give you a smile yet. So that was funny. It's just like, hey, like. Just like a little alien baby again. Malibu, we like waited so long, you know, for the first smile, then the first word, and then the first. And now like it's full communication. She's so smart and talks so much.

So yeah, so it's kind of funny. To start over. To be back there. And that's only one and a half year age difference. You know, people like do four. I don't know how people do it when they're four and fully a toddler and then start with a baby again. That would be the only thing that scared me about baby three is if they're both five and six and we're like, oh no, this next baby comes. It seems like it takes a long time,

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here's the because i know there's people i know they have like a 12 year old and they're like gonna have another baby and it's like they're like well you know they like participate more that's crazy and help more yeah it's like the baldwins have a reality show coming in he had seven he has seven kids and he started at like 60 years old having them with his second wife. Oh, started. He has a daughter that's my age with Kim Basinger. I don't know her name. So he had one child before that's my age, but then like starting over at 60 and having seven kids.

And all seven with the same wife. Yeah, Hilaria. Hilaria Baldwin. How do you say cucumber? You said something earlier where like I don't know how to say it in English. I literally thought of Hilaria. Hilaria Baldwin. How do you say cucumber? You said something earlier. We're like, I don't know how to say it in English. I literally thought of Hilaria. I don't even know if she's foreign.

I think she's American. I don't know. There's a debate on that. That's the whole controversy. Is it? Yeah. I thought she's, yeah. I don't know.

I heard she's from Boston. It goes in and out. It goes in and out of the. I kind of live for that, though. I want to start talking in an accent. That's kind of everything. Why not? She's in entertainment.

That's her character. And now they're having a reality show with seven kids. That's what I'm saying to start over at like 60. Oh man, because 60, you're still living life. Robert De Niro and Al Pacino having babies at 80, it's like, okay, well, you're not going to live any much longer. Yeah. But 60, you still have quite a bit of life. You could have 30 years left. I wonder if they have a lot of help or not. You know what I mean? Like, I can see it both ways. I wonder which way it is.

Alec Baldwin? Yeah. And no judgment because they're busy, but they have a lot of help. He's filming movies. They're out together with the paparazzi. Like, I mean, they have to. Because there's a type of people that have a lot of help and having a kid doesn't really affect their life.

You know, the kid sees them when they're ready to see the kid. You know, it's not even. Yeah. I think most celebrities are like, and again, not in a bad way. I think if you're just really busy. Or very wealthy people, like it's a lifestyle. Like I've seen people shame people for having their baby with them and not with the nanny. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. So they see it in a certain way of like. Where's your nanny? You're not supposed to do any of that was it the kardashians who was like oh you don't have a live-in nanny right now remember i think yeah i think courtney or somebody was asking chloe yeah and chloe's like no i don't have a live-in right now but probably eventually i'm gonna have to i'm like and then i like had to stop and ask them it's like wait what does that mean like someone's just there full time to just be like, and again. And that one person, they have a staff. Like it's not even.

Wow. I mean. Because the houses that I've seen, there's somebody that just attend to kitchen. There's somebody that just does laundry. There's somebody that is a nanny. A nanny is a whole thing. And the nanny bosses around other people to get laundry and food. You know what I mean?

Right. It's a whole different world. Yeah, but what I've seen is that the kids grow up with a nanny and the nanny is usually not – from a young age, they grow up being entitled and feeling that they're smarter than everybody, better than everybody, and they're just here to boss around people.

It's a hot take, babe. I don't know if I agree with that, but – What? I don't know. I don't know people who grew with that, but... What? I don't know. I don't know people who grew up with nannies, but I feel like that's not everybody. I feel like that's like maybe a small percentage of people. I'm talking about people that are very wealthy

and kids that, you know, they grow up to be. That's why they grow up to be in life later on is their parents. That's a Moses opinion. Don't come for me. I don't think so. I really don't think so. I'm not against nannies, but I'm saying if a kid is completely left alone and the person that's taking care of them is not

a family member and they they just have a different dynamic it is an employee and at some point the kid realized this is an employee well but they still could care for the baby i mean you know there's those people who are special you can have a nanny to help you you know here and there but it's i'm just saying like i don't know i still i think there's some nannies who like truly care for their kids you know what i mean that just like yeah no but it's not about the nanny it's about the kid i think the kids are the one getting corrupted that the nanny is fine that's a i don't know i don't agree i don't agree i i don't want a nanny and i that's why i play the lottery because i would honestly like just quit working for like 10 years to be with my kids because that

would be everything. But I don't know. I think there's like love and parenting in different forms and nannies can be that. Like, you know, and I respect the parents who know enough to be like, okay, I can't really, I don't either want to be with my kid full time. I can't be with them full time. I'd rather be a provider full time. Like I'd rather take it, give it to someone who's, you know. What what i'm talking about is not the love i think the nannies provide the love and they nurture and they carry yeah discipline is what's missing you don't think they discipline

you never seen 9911 because that's a show where she would teach them how to discipline i think it was called the 9911 and it was yeah she would teach them how to discipline because most parents lack discipline so the nanny would come in and teach them like you have to discipline. So I don't know. Yeah. You don't want to be best friends with your kids. You have to still be able to discipline them. I'm being best friends with my kids.

I don't agree with that either. I feel like I want to be best friends with them. You can be. I'll have to discipline them. Like, and discipline doesn't mean to be awful. It just means. I don't think. But I was never disciplined.

I was never disciplined as a kid. And I feel like I turned out really good. I feel like I'm really respectful and really nice. And I've never been disciplined. Like I was never spank I was never disciplined as a kid. And I feel like I turned out really good. I feel like I'm really respectful and really nice and I've never been disciplined. Like I was never spanked, put in a corner, grounded, whatever that means. No, again, I'm not talking about like violence and- But even grounding and stuff. I never was like that. Boundaries and-

I just listened, honestly. I would just listen. If I was told not to do that, I'll just listen. I don't know. I don't like discipline. I don't like it. There must have been some form. No, I mean, I got yelled at by my dad.

And that was awful. That was traumatizing. Again, no anger. My mom never disciplined me. The anger is the bad part of it. My mom never disciplined me. I think it turned out pretty good. Were you disciplined?

Yeah, to some degree, of course. What was it? Grounding? No. I mean, I feel like we were grounded our whole lives um it's never allowed to leave the house we kind of lived far away from where i went to school so oh right you said you couldn't like hang out with kids as much so it's hard to like hang out with people i went to school with but what did discipline look like for you? I never was, so I don't know. I don't know. I think for us there was too much, like we would just be worried about the outcomes of things.

So we wouldn't push it that way. That's what I'm saying. I almost feel like you didn't need discipline either then. If you just didn't push it, you knew better. You knew better to not push a boundary. You're like, okay. Right, but it has to come from somewhere. It has to start somewhere. So where did it start for you?

Mia is just like, okay, I'm going to listen. It's an adult. I'm going to listen. What was yours? That's what I want to know. Like, I truly, I want to know, like, what was it that you were like, okay, not going to push that boundary if it wasn't just knowing. Like, I just knew.

I don't know. Something will be either taken away from you or happen to you. Oh, that's so sad. Oh, gosh. That makes me always sad though too when someone takes away – could you imagine taking away Malibu's blanket, her prized possession? It would be so sad. As a punishment, you don't get your blanket.

Oh, my God. That makes me so sad to think about. Yeah. But that's – Oh, my God. She's a toddler. Oh, I feel – I can't.

I crumple instantly. If we're in the car and she wants the Bumba and most of us are like, wait till we get to the stroller. I'm just like, I have to give it to her now. Like I don't want to hear her cry. Like that's so sad. And it's food. Maybe she's hungry. I'm like, let's have some Bumba.

I just can't do it. I can't. And I don't think I will. That's where we differ. That'll be interesting with parenting. Most of the stuff we agree on now, but it's like later on down the road. Like it's hard when you don't agree on parenting styles like what do you do right well the kids count on it that's why they go to one parent and if they don't get it they go to another parent

that's true oh that's gonna be hard they count on that but i don't think so i mean again i don't think we'll have issues with them i don't think so because they're not lacking of anything, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting, especially with girls. Luckily, we have girls because I think you'd be – I always said this. I always think, like, if you had a son, I think you'd be harder on the son. Which I don't understand where it comes from.

Because I feel like with – like, you kind of have this sort of, like, men are men. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, if they – if you're – I don't know. I just feel like you would want him to be know what i mean like you know like if they if you're i don't know i just feel like you would want him to be a little more tougher like you and more serious like you no so like if i think my boy is exactly like me so it's not even like you don't even have to do anything okay maybe not i don't know i guess that's true but it's your projection on what what does that mean you think i'm projecting how i feel no how men are what men are thinking not at all not at all it was for me i feel like our son like i wouldn't even have to worry about

pink i'm like he can be in pink everything he can dance he can play with barbie like all that stuff like that not to say you wouldn't be like that i just would i don't know i feel like you'd be more like you're gonna help me you're gonna help me bring up the groceries or something as opposed to like girls you're just like i don't know no i wouldn't i would just be like he's a little boy i don't know boys would be interesting i don't know how i? I wouldn't. I would just be like, he's a little boy. I don't know. Boys would be interesting. I don't know how I would be with them. I feel like I'd probably try to baby a boy, but I baby the girls too.

So I don't know. Yeah. I don't think it's that different. Yeah. I think what I notice when I go to class with male boys is the boys have more energy. They just like, they just run until they hit a wall. You know, they're just like, they have so much energy. So it's like.

I've been a little anti little boys lately. You just have to get them out there and let them run around in circles until they hit a wall you know they're just like they have so much energy so it's like i've been a little anti little boys lately you have to get them out there and let them run around in circles until they i was fine until they try to like tug on malibu and pull on her and stuff like that boy at the one gym class and like just making faces and stuff at that and she was i mean he had issues like that was some serious yeah melvin was like one she was just starting to walk and i was like i saw red i wanted to go up to that boy and just like grab him by his hoodie i was just like what are you doing because he like made faces at her about the side then he came and like like pulled on her like sleeve or something i'm like can you chill i was trying to pull her like jacket and start coming off of her oh my oh, boys, but anyways. Sometimes you just have to stay calm and calmly just diffuse the situation.

You go your way and you take your kid out of that situation. What do you think about when people say, like, a lot of people are like, oh, man, because, you know, it's funny. Even my doctors and stuff, they're like, maybe you'll have a third or something, you know, have a boy. What do you think about that when people say that, when it's like we already have two girls? Like, oh, well, don't you want a boy? Maybe you'll have a boy the next time. Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous. I think even now I remember people, there was somebody commenting like, oh, he deserves to have a boy or something. And I was like, I wanted another girl. Yeah. Because the, you don't go according to what you want. You go with the flow of what is happening.

And I'm like, Malibu is what happened and the best scenario is for her to have a little sister and even better if she's closer in age so it was never like what i want what we want because that always come back to just blow up in your face right like so yeah so i don't know trying to control if there'll be a third baby what it will be like it's it's all open like it's not yeah it'd be another girl great like it doesn't matter like at all and um because i remember like kobe rest in peace you know him and his daughter like there was nothing like there was no reason for that to be a boy or like it was perfect and he got his basketball player she liked the same things he did yeah so even if

you want that you can get that when you have a girl. You don't really need to. They don't need to be exactly. You got a little artist with Malibu. Yeah. And I'm a creative person. So I feel like there's actually more chance that, you know, she'll do things that I enjoy and I like too.

Yeah. It's always interesting when people say that. It's like so funny. I'm just like, I get it. It's an old fashioned to. Yeah. It's always interesting when people say that. It's like so funny. I'm just like, I get it. It's an old fashioned thing, I think. Yeah. But we're such like a new generation. And I was like, it's such a weird thing that people.

Right. Let's say if your dad didn't have boys and then they would think, oh, but the name pays us. We want it to continue. Oh, right. Very Bridgerton. But here it does continue. You know what I mean?

So that's what I'm saying. Time of change. Yeah. The name still continues on through Malibu and Elvis. We have the Patuses living still. So I think in that way, things have changed and people just haven't caught up with it yet. They're still like, oh, you need that boy or you need the heir of the Patek Sykman empire.

I see what they're saying though because I guess if they get married, they probably change their name and then the paid attackman name dies. Because we're the first paid attackman generation with Malibu. So they're both girls. But it's fine. But like you said, maybe they'll give their babies paid. That's what I'm saying. That already happened.

So if anything, they'll want to mimic their mom, you know? Right. We're watching. They're like, I'm keeping. That's true. They might do like just yeah they are like a hollywood people they just do paytas and yeah another person might have two names too and now they'll have four last names keep going and going and going crazy like it'll be like game of

thrones where they just have these like in the bible you know this person the son of the daughter of and then nephew we're watching bridgerton and like they are so set on whoever gets a boy as like the first is the heir or whatever and they get all the money. I was like, that's such a weird thing. Like it's such,

so that's what made me think about it again and I was just like, that is weird. Why do they need a boy? But I guess to carry on the name. Is that it? Back in the Bridgerton era?

Yeah. Yeah. Because you didn't want it to basically disappear. But again, if you're dead, what do you care about? Yeah. If you're dead or a dad? Dead. Like about, if you're dead, what do you care about?

Yeah. If you're dead or a dad? Dead, like about legacy, right? People are like, oh, it's the legacy. And I'm like, legacy doesn't care about you. You're six feet under. What has been the most surprising thing as a dad? Like what has surprised you the most about yourself as a dad like did you think you would be all of it really like you did you see it any other way for you like did you visualize i guess for you you're so someone who's just like you just experience it as it happens i'm in the moment yeah yeah like i didn't think about it so i also didn't worry about it you know what i mean like i didn't think about it either way.

It just suddenly there was a baby here and suddenly it needed to be changed. It needed to be fed. You know what I mean? You were very natural at it. It all just happens. But yeah, I think the bond and the connection to another living being, how helpless they are, it's kind of insane that we survived this species. It's like... It is crazy. It's also crazy to think about people who like don't, are not great parents in the sense like they're, I don't know if they're addicts or they're not around or,

you know, they move the baby around a lot or something like that. Like how those babies survive. You know, you hear people who have like alcoholic moms or something that only took care of them. You know, it's like, it's actually insane that not only do those babies grow and survive, but they like can thrive a lot of times. You know, there's a lot of people on YouTube who share their stories about their parents or TikTok even, you know, being – a lot of alcoholic parents and stuff like that. And it's like how do these babies survive that where they end up like taking care of the parents and then they're able to like thrive and stuff, you know?

It's I guess how strong the human race is, human human race is yeah friends that went through foster homes and things like yeah it's it's amazing what how resilient we are and we can but i think it's um for me what was so i think hard was more life before kids and for marriage it was kind of safe you know my heart was safe nothing could really hurt it or do anything that would yeah like there was no fear there's no danger right um because i was like in full control of me and my world and my heart so but now suddenly my heart is like in three different places so it's like with you with Malibu with Elvis it's like there's three places that it can be you know hurt or yeah and even if everything is fine it is hurt when I see other kids like because I remember when like

I was dressing Malibu and she was really small and you're so careful, like putting the sleeve over her little fingers that, you know, by mistake, you're not even twisting her finger a little bit. And at the same time, the bomb's going off and children are dying. And that just completely like destroyed me. I was just like. Yeah, it's not fair. It's not okay that any child out there or parent is losing a child and children are dying. So that was like, because I was like, I'm so careful right now with just this little sleeve. And there's like entire neighborhoods, buildings, people that are just like getting crushed down and dying.

That part was like insane and very hard to process so it's like so suddenly every child in the world became my child and suddenly every child in the world pain became my pain and that that part i didn't know that was going to come and i didn't expect that yeah so now you're feeling pain for other children like and parents yeah yeah because it's just not fair like a lot of it isn't and i agree i feel the same way it's like just hard and yeah when you have a child it's like a whole different perspective because you see how like innocent they are like they don't choose anything in this life and yeah it's it really and we protect them and so careful from the smallest things that can hurt them. And then there's like.

Yeah. It's awful. That's like the worst part about being a parent is just, yeah, that worry, that, you know, that fear. I think it never goes away, right? You always hear parents talk about that. It's like, when do you stop worrying about your children? And most parents would say, like, never like never you know you always worry about them and um well the goal is to raise good kids then you don't need to worry that that's why i feel like the time we spend now really in

crafting and helping like craft their character and help them be independent, strong individuals will pay off later when we want to just enjoy, you know, our retirement, our life as adults and not be consumed. As adults. As more adults. As older adults. And not be consumed by troubles that might come from, you know, if you don't do that work. So I feel like it's worth it right now to put all of ourselves into.

They say that, you know, we always are sending each other Instagram reels. Like our whole Instagram reels is like stuff about having young kids. And yeah, I just see something like between the years of one to five, it's actually like really formative for them. Like even though like they don't remember, it's like all those subconscious stuff and the stuff that the values you like put on them. And I know me now, how I am now, where I'm like, God, I wish I could go back to the time Malibu was a newborn and just hold her more. So now with Elvis, I'm going to just be like, okay, I need to hold her as much as I can. And luckily Malibu is only a

year and a half, so I can still be in this, but I need to be more present. I need to be this. If she comes to grab my hand, take me somewhere like put down anything I'm doing to go do that because I don't think that it doesn't last forever and so yeah I think even before one they say one to five I think it's from yeah from the womb the state of mind of the mother and everything that happens around to the first day they're born that's why in the hospital even I'm like because they i remember the nurse said like oh they're in their sleeping era like they you can do whatever poke them do it like they don't feel anything or remember anything she said that they're in their sleeping era probably not era i kind of love that though phase sleeping something yeah yeah and i was like no that's actually the opposite like the younger they are the more events affect them in in life and it's not about

memory of an event it's about how it shapes your character yeah and uh malibu might not remember certain events but it shapes her character you know whether she's afraid of something or anxious about something or has a lack of something like so i don't think because i think when i grew up people had that idea of like babies they're just there they're not they don't absorb anything they don't participate yeah they're not gonna remember yeah and that's just not the case at all it's the opposite well and i again on my instagram reels i always see like you know maybe they don't remember but like you do you know like you don't want to like miss those memories of like just being on your phone the whole time and meanwhile like the baby's doing like even even elvis makes such cute faces she'll do a little you know and

granted people could say it's gas or whatever she has those little no no she has little smiles and smirks and little zoolander face you can tell when she's uh content after a good bottle and it's like again something i didn't get to experience my Malibu. It's just like she loves being held to sleep because the minute I put her down, she wakes up and is fussy. I'm like, okay, I'm warm from there. So just getting all that. And I feel like when you're a first-time mom, it's hard. So that second child really, for me, just made me feel like,

okay, I need to be more present in both of their lives. Because I love it. I will put her down. I'll put Elvis down in the swing to like play with Malibu because I'm like, you know, I never got to do that. And I think it surprised her the other day because again, I was pregnant for the past like year basically. So I wasn't like able to get down on the floor. So the other day I put Elvis in her swing and then with Malibu, she had this little target checkout thing and she like kind of dumped it and left and she was going to go look for you. So all of a sudden I just started playing with it and just like checking out. I was like checking out like a little ghost person.

And then Malibu just starts laughing, comes back. And then I started checking her out and stuff. And she just thought it was like the funniest thing ever. Whatever she had, I was like scanning and it was just fun. It was just fun to like play with her again. And I don't know, it just, it's been. She loves, I mean, you make her laugh the most. You're the most entertaining thing ever because she loves to sing and dance and all kind of

stuff. And she just lights up when you start singing. That's the best thing ever. It was so fun today. I was like, luckily we had my mom here because it's such a funny thing too because it's like hard to capture moments of everyone together. I see a lot of times moms will say like, oh, I wish the dad would capture more moments of me.

You do a great job of it because obviously we do social media and stuff like that. But it's like a lot of times the moms just get like selfies or no pictures. They're the ones taking the cute pictures and no one takes it of them because they say, you know, the dads don't do it or whatever. But it's hard to get one of the family of four. But we had our little photo shoot date. It was cute. We were taking pictures. But Malibu was just being such an entertainer, like just like twirling and singing. And I was just like, oh, I wish we had a video. And luckily my mom was like right outside because we were going to do this podcast right after. And so I was like, mom, you like come take it. Hopefully she got a good video because it was just like, oh, I wish we had a video. And luckily my mom was like right outside because we were going to do this podcast right after. And so I was like,

mom, you like come take, hopefully she got a good video because it was just like at moments like that, like, you know, like you remember and they're great memories, but it's like, oh, I want to capture this because she was just,

what were we singing? Sound of music or something. And she was just so happy. It's cute. I can't wait for you to see the photos. The photos of her behind you, just kind of like swinging her. Yeah, because it was hard.

Again, you got to go with the flow because it's like you want to get family photos but it's hard with a toddler because they but then she found her own thing and so i'm holding the baby i don't even know what's happening behind me but she's like dancing and singing behind me and she's being herself so much and it was so cute and then you're with the baby and it was it was a beautiful thing it was cute because you know yeah it's hard at the beginning to get those photos together. And let me tell you, our family photos are, like, always a little bit impossible to take because Melba has, like, never been, like, too fond of, like, other people taking pictures. But today she really was, like, performing.

She grew up her whole life under the paparazzi's. She does do no pictures sometimes. She's like, no pictures, no pictures. She'll say cheese if she wants a picture. And then sometimes. She's like, no pictures, no pictures. She'll say cheese if she wants a picture and then sometimes she'll be like, no pictures, no pictures. She learned well from... It's interesting, but she does like them

and then there's sometimes she doesn't and we respect those boundaries. I love when she says no. I think that's so healthy and good and that's why I always want to be like, okay, no, can I have a hug? No, okay, that's fine. It it's gonna be interesting to watch her grow um because like we we're talking about memories and like my earliest memories are ones that have photos of them you

know it's it's like earliest ones are around 10 9 and then there's a couple that are a bit earlier but it's because there's photos of them so over the years growing up i would go back and see those photos it kind of stayed there and malibu just loves watching home videos more than anything and when we realized that we started filming more for her so like if your dad is here which is her favorite person in the world they play together so we'll just film them play. And then she doesn't like watching TV. She just wants to watch home videos, like family videos. So she would sit and watch and she would tell us, like, I want to watch Bam Bam, that's how she calls him, hide.

So them playing hide and seek. So anyway, so those videos are of her, like, one-year-old kid, toddler playing around. And she knows them already she remembers them so she will grow up to have memories all the way back to being one yeah like she'll actually remember a phase in life that i don't even know existed in my life i agree i think she'll totally remember it it does like soothe her and like this in this way and she like she remembers those moments she like laughs and giggles.

And yeah, it's interesting. It'll be interesting in general. Yeah. Like you said, pictures and videos for the social media. You know, we take a ton. Like we don't even post them all on social media. Obviously, we have a ton of them. It's for her.

Yeah. Because she likes to watch them later on. But I think there is something to it where she'll have that memory. Because like I told you in 50 First Dates, like when she had the amnesia every morning and they ended up having kids, he would play like a videotape for her every morning to catch up on the life. And then she starts to remember, like she'll remember things and he knew because she started singing the songs and whatever. He said, oh, she remembers. So I think there is something to be said about that for sure. One of my, this is the first time in this Father's Day

I was able to give you a gift, a materialistic gift. Moses hates material things. Like, I really think you hate material things. Like, there's nothing you ever want. I try and buy stuff on my own and there's just like, you just don't like anything. But you love this gift. And I'm like, oh, I should have had your cup of cappuccino with you from your cappuccino maker. Well, it is from... Oh, but you put an apple cider mug.

Don't you have like a world's best dad mug? I do. I just, this mug keeps it warm. Oh, okay. but you put an apple cider mug. Don't you have like a world's best dad mug? I do. I just, this mug keeps it warm. Oh, okay. That one is like a ceramic mug. I didn't think about that part. Shout out Ray Dunn. I would have brought it just like...

You look just like a dad. He's taking sips of it and you look just like a dad when you're doing it with your glasses and... Yeah, I got into my espresso era. Ooh, very Sabrina Carpenter. It's at me espresso. Well, I am an apple knight. Yes.

Is that the perfect song for you right now? So yeah, I did a lot of research until I found the machine that was the right one. You got a cappuccino. How long did it take you to find that machine? Over a month. To find the perfect cappuccino? Does it make the perfect cappuccino? Well, because I dove into a world that I knew nothing about.

And it is its own world. There's a whole language everyone uses. And it was interesting. And yeah, it was interesting because I kind of thought I knew what I wanted. And then suddenly I found something else. I was like, wait a minute, this is the one. And it's kind of like the Ferrari of the... Is it?

Do you know what it's called? Do you want to give it a shout out? If people are looking to get a caption. It's called Profitec Pro 800 or something like that. Oh, wow. The thing is that it's manual. Like it has an actual like lever. It's like you have to use both arms to pull down the espresso shot.

Oh, my. It's hard? Like it's like... And yeah, it's really hard, but it gives you a sweeter espresso, which I like sweet. I don't like bitter things. So you get a sweeter shot and it's perfect. I mean, it's really amazing. What you had yesterday, he which I like sweet. I don't like bitter things. So you get a sweeter shot and it's perfect. I mean, it's really amazing. What you had yesterday, he said just like hot chocolate. I was like, this doesn't even taste like a cappuccino. What kind of chocolate?

Oh, your chocolate, your special chocolate. Yeah, it's like a powder. Moses has a special chocolate that I think you should put out there to the world. That's what you should put. If you had a branded item because you love chocolate, you should buy a chocolate powder because you said they're really hard. You're really picky. You don't like the Nesquik. You don't like the Ghirardelli. You're very picky. You should put on your- They're like Hershey. Chocolate. Oh, yeah. Right. Which everyone loves the Hershey little squirt thing. I love those. No, that is not chocolate. That's crazy. Yeah. That's what you should put out for sure. Or if we ever do, I guess,

your food truck, you could do a little cappuccino maker. Yeah, with my italian food i think the italian food really is your calling i i think you specialize so much i think like your pastas are so good you're so good at making pasta sauces not just the bolognese but just everything pasta vodka big zd lasagna like you're kind of good at that it's fun it's fun to do i think you should do that that should be your calling that or the cappuccino maker, but. Yeah, whenever we have guests, I try to cook and it's always fun. Every time. Every time we've had a guest, you cook this and it like hits every time.

Because that's something that my mom, I mean, that's like we grew up, again, Arabic culture is all about hospitality. So, you know, when somebody shows up, you just, you put out spreads of things and you cook food and you're just being a host, you know. You're so good at it too. And yeah, when my mom came and we did that and she was like, wow, you're really the only one that carried the family tradition. Yeah.

You know. She was so impressed. She was like actually so impressed by it. You made fajitas, I think, one time when she came over and you said she never had fajitas before and she was just like, what is this? And I loved seeing her enjoy it because like i didn't know i didn't know you know i know i never like cooking for people because i'm so picky when i go to other people's houses like anytime people have cooked for me i'm just like oh i don't know because i'm i'm so picky

so i was like i'm scared to like cook for people but now you've cooked for literally everyone every side of the family my mom my dad your mom everyone and everyone loves it they're all like this is the best yeah because i mean like my mom is from Turkey and my dad is like Libya next to Morocco. So Turkish food or Moroccan food, like there's definitely no Mexican food around. I have no idea what Mexican food is. So it's like, it was interesting. The fajitas hit. The fajitas are good.

We should make it. That's like a healthy one for us to eat too. We should do that more often. I think so. The fajitas and the quesadillas. Easy. It's so easy. Ah, it's so good.

Yeah. I see. I was using the chicken just for everyone to know that I do that. I'm the seasoned The fajitas and the quesadillas. Easy. It's so easy. Ah, it's so good. Yeah. I season the chicken just for everyone to know that I do that. I'm the seasoning master. Yeah, the spices. We need more tahini. I found out something this morning about, have you heard of Mochelo? Mochelo? It's like a Mexican beer and they put tahini around the rim.

I know Modelo. Oh, Modelo? I don't know. Maybe that's what it is. Modelo? Mochela? Like, one of us don't know. Modelo. Modelo. Oh, Modelo? I don't know. Maybe that's what it is. Modelo? Mochella? Like, one of us don't know. Modellolo.

Modellola. Medellato or something. It was something kind of crazy. It was like corchata. It was like Modellata. Maybe. Michellata. Michellata, maybe.

He's doing a Michellata, like, festival or something like that. I'm like, what's Michellata? I think that's what it is. Not Modelo. Not Modelo. That's a beer. Yeah, that's what I know. Okay, this is like Michellata or something like that. I'm like, what's michelada? I think that's what it is. Not Modelo. Not Modelo. That's a beer. Yeah, that's a- Okay. This is like michelada or something. And it's like, he even has like soy sauce in it. It's

like soy sauce beer and it has like the tahini around it. And anyways, shout out to my- Yeah, I can see it because it's like, it has lime in it. So I can see it being like that. It kind of sounded good actually. It's kind of like, he's like, salsicum beer has it. I'm like, they do. I'm like, I kind of want to try it, actually. It kind of sounded good. Because we put the team. We have to go back there. Yeah. Probably not for a while because now we have a baby and we can't go to Benihana or Salsa

and Beer because of the smoke. It is very smoky. It's so smoky. I thought about when we do have a date night, which will probably be a few months from now. I'm like, maybe Benihana should be our date night because I love it so much. And it's just like, we can't go back to Mastro's after my scene caused just being crazy you didn't cause a scene i caused the scene it was a little slip and i'm just like you did not cause a scene that was unforgettable unforgettable it's not with an accident it was fine oh my gosh you have a lot of hot tags we're at next no i'm dramatic but i love that you always

have my back i love that you always are supportive of me I was embarrassed the next day I was like, okay, that was a little dramatic Like, yes, an accident happened It was not It was Everything around you pushed you to that spot Because No, everyone was just trying

Because they didn't acknowledge what happened And other people acknowledged it Like, all I'm saying is like No Thanks for having me back Most always has my back But I think I was very dramatic And I could have just been a

little more chill about things, but I just need to chill out sometimes. But I also was very pregnant, so I will blame it a little bit on that. Sure, sure. The hormonal. I don't get too hormonal, but the end of this pregnancy was a little crazy. It was tough. I mean, it was a lot. Yeah, it was.

But I always enjoy my pregnancy. I do. I like eating it and the bagels and bagels always cured my thing anyways what are your dreams as a father for our family like it can be like superficial like going to bora bora or it could be something like you know that we all live together in a compound when we're 50 years old which i think will happen that far i want a compound that sounds so fun to just or a cul-de-sac my dream okay sorry i know i asked you the question but my dream

is to get like a cul-de-sac in like the area we live because i love our area so much and almost like i don't know if you could do it i guess you could ask hoa but almost like block it off so there's like a gate within a gated if you if you own that cul-de-sac you can really yeah you know what i'm talking, the one we do our loop around? It would be so cool. I mean, there's a golf hole there, so I don't know what we would do about those people, but to just like gate it off. You can, but you remember when we looked for homes, we found one that was somehow related

to the Jackson 5, you remember? Yeah. So that's what they did. They closed it off, but there were a few homes at the end of that street. And we looked at one of those. That would actually be like a perfect one. I don't like the area because it's kind of like whatever and it's kind of small. But that was cool.

We looked at Michael Jackson's house where he stayed with his brothers in Encino. And there was, yeah, there was like a driveway and there was like five different residences. And I think they were different people living there now, but that would be the dream. Because our goal was like over the years to buy all of them and then have that, you know. Yeah. Okay. Maybe it could still be a possibility. We'll figure it out

the golf course situation but that would be, I would love that and just have like all our kids and they can like leave if they want but they'd always have a house next to us or something

or in our house or wherever they want but you know, just like your mom and whoever else wants to come, they all have houses. My glam squad could have a house if they wanted to stay the night

or something like that. You know what I mean? Like I think that'd be so much fun. Before 7, glam. Yeah, before 7 a.m. Just, you know, hang out at the house

or something. That'd be fun. Anyways, or kids or I don't know, that's a dream. What's your dream? And it can be, it could also be philosophical

or spiritual. No, but it's, just to see the kids happy and creative and prosper. I like when people are able to be creative, you know, so making something out of nothing.

So it'd be interesting, you know, and if we're part of their life, even better, you know, if we make things together, that'd be fun. Oh, like what? Artwork, music, whatever it is, you know. It'd be like to be able to do that that might be a new dream

unlock I think it was Winona Naomi Judd I think no Winona there's like the Judd mother and daughter

I think the mother ended up unaliving herself it was really sad but I think they were a mother daughter singing duo that would be actually so much fun

Mal will probably have all the talent I'll be that person on America's Got Talent and they'll be ditch the mom you have the good voice you know but probably have all the talent. I'll be that person on America's Got Talent. And they'll be like, ditch the mom. You have the good voice. But you always see the parent trying to be a part of it or something like that. So maybe that could be our

thing. You'll be Kris Jenner. You'll be Mama Jera. Yeah, I would. I would love to be, honestly. If they ever want to do entertainment, I definitely want to manage them. I have a feeling they'll probably want to be like a doctor or like something lawyer. And I'll be like, I don't know what to do, but I'll support you. You know what I mean?

I don't know. I feel, I feel, I don't know. You think creative? I think they're going to, I think one's not going to be creative. I think one's going to be like a scientist, like a rocket scientist. But that's still creative. Like I feel like it's, it's a new generation. I don't think there'll be one thing, you know? So I feel like they might sing a little and dance a little and paint a little bit and do, you know, it's, So I feel like they might sing a little and dance a little and paint a little bit. I just feel like they'll have more. So interesting to know.

Yeah, not a single point. They'll have multiple expressions, ways to express themselves and be creative. But I don't know. I think, I mean, looking at the whole situation as a whole, what I see is like when I moved here, I remember thinking, wow, there's people that actually grew up here. Like this is like the dream.

Right. This is the dream land, the dream state, the most amazing everything. And I'm still in shock that I'm able to give my kids the life that i wished for for myself as a kid yeah so it's like same i feel that too even though we come from different places obviously i think the same thing i think just like having a pool i was like wow i gotta get to grow up with a pool that's pretty cool so i think it's already like it's already there like it's already the foundation and the place and they grew up in such a beautiful place full of nature and animals and um i don't know like it's it's already it you know so from here on the foundation is good and then they just gotta find what makes them happy and i do want to

encourage them to kind of be self-sustainable you know not um like i always worked since i was young but i enjoyed work and i enjoyed the independence that i had i never asked money from anyone including my parents i never asked anything from anyone so i always had the independence and strength to do whatever i wanted and nothing stopped me and nothing was in my way, even though people wanted to stop me and definitely from moving to another country. There's a lot of barriers that come even from people around you. So I want to give them that independence that they won't feel that there's any barriers,

that there's anyone that's holding them back. I think they'll definitely be like that because even though we can give them everything, I think they still will be because I didn't have to work and I didn't want to work, you know, but I love working out and I love like hustling. And people always say, oh, you work so hard and work so hard. But it's like, I kind of just like to do it. You know what I mean?

Like I like figuring it out. Yeah, do what you love. Like encourage people to do what they love. I've always loved figuring out how to make money and stuff like that. Like again, not as like a teenager because I was like in school, my parents always thought, okay, if you do good at school, you know, you don't have to work or whatever. I think that's where we a little differentiate too is like a difference of parenting is like, I was like, oh, they should be kids for as long as they want. But I still think they'll have a good work ethic because my parents were like, just, you

know, do good in school and we'll provide whatever you need. We'll go to the movies, go shopping, whatever. But I still like worked really hard because I was like, and still to this day, I like, like we always talk about this too, like if I won a lot, if we won lottery, like I still like worked really hard because I was like, and still to this day, I like, like we always talk about this too, like if I won the lottery, if we won the lottery, like I still would probably be like making music videos or something. Even better, I'd be doing full production skills. Yeah, that's the thing. They do see us work all the time. So they'll, that's where they get the work ethics, you know.

Yeah. From seeing what we do and how we do it. Yeah. That we put so much care to the work we do. And I think that's important i saw another ig reel i sent to my mom and it's like you know you were as successful as a parent when your adult children want to spend time with you and i sent that to my mom because me and my sister are both obsessed with my mom and we want to spend time with her we both want her to live with us all

the time like anytime i tell my sister like i would love my mom to like live with us you know be around for the kid but she's's like, no, absolutely not. She has to stay with me. Like it's very that. And I feel like that's kind of the sign of like a successful parent is like your kids still want to be, want to be around you even when they don't need you. I think that's, that would be my ultimate success if Malibu and Elvis are still wanting to come to our house to just hang out with us.

Like what are you guys doing? You know, that'd be fun. What is, this is a 73 Vogue question. What is the best part about being a dad? The best part. There's an answer I'm looking for. There's a right answer. There's one right answer to this.

But give your answer too. It's kind of a meme. A meme. So you can just give your answer too I don't know it's kind of a meme a meme so you can just give your real answer but I don't know when I just hear Malibu say my name

calls me and when they give hugs and kisses that you don't even ask for when they just she randomly just says like I love you you know it's so cute

now that she says that I'm actually like it makes me cry every single time because it took so long She randomly just says like, I love you. It's so cute. Now that she says that, I'm actually like – it makes me cry every single time because it took so long. And she like gets it and understands it. And it's funny because like I'm someone who just says words of affirmation all the time. Moses doesn't really. He's not someone to just say I love you. Like you show it, but you never really say it. And you say it more now, but I always say it. Like it's like a habit for me.

I don't know like off the phone. So with Malibu, it's kind of a habit. If she's like, mom, mom, and I'll be like, yes. And I'll be like – for me. I don't know like off the phone. So with Malibu it's kind of a habit. If she's like, mom, mom, and I'll be like, yes. And I'll be like – she'll be like, you know, wah, wah. I was like, okay. I love you. And then she starts saying, I love you too. And then she'll always say it to you right after.

And I think it's like the cutest thing ever. And now you say it. And then hearing you say it to her makes my heart so happy because you're not that person to say I love you all the time. And you say it every time back to her. You have to. It makes me so happy because like my dad never said I love you all the time. So I'm like, oh, that's so cute. And you say it every time back to her. You have to. It makes me so happy because like my dad never said I love you a lot. I know you said you grew up in a house that you guys just didn't say it.

A lot of people just don't say it. You can show it, of course, which is just as fine. But it's nice to hear that. I was like, oh, she's so cute when she says it. She's like, I love you. Yeah, she's good. She's very intentional because she calls me, she calls me, and then I look and I kiss and then she says it.

I love you. I know. It's like so – it's actually the cutest thing ever. So what's the meme? Oh, it's Kanye and Kim where she's like, what's the best part about being a mom? And, you know, I don't know what she says, but then they ask Kanye. She says something, you know, just kind of superficial. And then he's like, what's the best part about being a dad?

He's like, the kids. And it's like, yeah's like, what's the best part about being a dad? He's like, the kids. And it's like, yeah, that's actually probably the best part. He's kind of sometimes funny. I don't know. I don't know. That part was funny. I was thinking of the memes. He's funny.

Yeah. The way he said that was like, because she said there was something else too. There's another meme where she's like, can you guys believe we don't have a jacuzzi? He's like, can you believe we don't have a jacuzzi? No, he was trolling her that whole interview. I remember. It was so funny. He was very mischievous. He is mischievous he is mischievous kind of funny i guess he's problematic but he's kind of funny where it was but i think that's it yeah i think that's a good success with our family as

if we are all still together and wanting to be around each other and stuff like that i think so i mean we're kind of fun to be around. We're so fun to be around. I know. I always think about that. I always think of us at like 80 and 90 years old and I'm just like, I think we'll still be like really fun. It's so cool to see those people that are 90.

I always use like Dick Van Dyke as an example. He was like on Masked Singer at like 90. I was like, I love that. There's also ones on TikTok too that their mom is like 90. I sent it to my mom and she like goes on walks every day and I was like, I love that.

I mean, it would probably be, it would be this odd situation where the parents are more up to what's happening on social media than their kids. Like, oh, when our kids are adults? They probably won't. Like social media is going to be so different though. Right. But all I'm saying is like, because you always keep up with the new technologies and the new whatever.

So it will be interesting because I feel like either they'll fully reject social media and that whole concept or fully embrace it, right? I like both options. So it's going to be one of the two. So it's going to be interesting. But either way, it's like I feel like you'll still be, you know, on top of the hot topics and whatever. For sure. Yeah, I think I'll be a cool mom for sure so it'd be a very different because i know people that grew up and their parents were like they're kind of timeless you

know like you never felt their age right because they were up with the time like the grandfather was like 80 and he was like on his ipad knowing everything that's going on i love that before that i knew even certain sites and things how to do. And so. That'll be interesting because my dad was always up on technology, but he did fall off at some point because he always had like, he had a cell phone in like 1981, you know, before anyone else did. We had the internet in our house before anyone else did.

Like it was super slow and dial up. But like we were like always on like the cutting edge of technology. And now he's just so like confused by all of it. So he's like, how do you announce that you had a baby? this is like like i can't even explain instagram to him so it would be interesting to see but yeah i like to think of myself as always keeping up although i also like the idea too of like in my like 60s just like i don't know just kind of i don't know i think i would like to keep up too much sometimes i'm like oh it's kind of cool to like disappear or something but even that one week we were off social media it's kind of like i don't know it's kind of i kind of miss it they still

exist if i don't yeah yeah it is interesting it is i think because i like lived my whole life online i saw truman show came out 26 years ago and i was kind of like i kind of feel like i've lived my whole life online as an adult it's the closest thing to it yeah like my getting married and falling in love and having babies like it's's a very Truman show. Yeah, sometimes I forget that our entire life together since we met is kind of documented. It is weird. It's so weird. But like I can't even imagine not, like you said, does it even happen if you don't share on social media when people like don't post about their, I don't know. And that's so warped because I know everyone watching and be like, that's not relatable at all.

But I don't know. I like sharing. Because I mean, so many couples, we meet them and we have no idea how they met, what happened in the beginning, the ups and downs. And like, you just don't know any of that. Yeah, probably better, I guess. Or what they were like before and after and how.

So it is wild. Yeah, because we're reminded of everything from the beginning. It's like people will never let you forget anything, which is, you know, for better or worse, I guess. Mostly looking at the good things, but just, you know, me before us getting together, you before. Right. And the after.

But it's almost like the you before me. Is that weird? That's what I'm saying. It's like it wasn't documented online. So it's like, did you even exist? Some is documented. Really? Like your life, like your personal life online?

Well, not personal life, I guess. But there is a life, you know. Yeah. I feel like with me, you can just see me at like 18, 19. Because I think as an artist, I've always created art. So I do have a trace going back to a child. I have all the artwork since I was a child. And a lot of it, when there was social media, is online.

That I would like to see. I would like to see your childhood art. So there's lots of things all the way back, like I talked about, from Flickr Vimeo Facebook Instagram like there is

I haven't seen that I haven't seen any of your stuff there is like this like trail of but it's it's mostly my point of view because I still love photography

so it's like mostly how things that I looked at and did not so much the camera looking back at me but it is still there I like but that's what i

love i love it when like someone else is interviewing you like the where are the pixels ones like it's just such a because you're so like focused and serious in your work like there's one of you just like moving these giant pieces of art and it's just like you're like ignoring the interviewer or whoever's filming you and i'm like it's such an interesting like who is that person you know what i mean like you're not taking time you're literally just like i gotta get these huge pieces of art out and like it's just so funny deadline it's so yeah it's it's funny to see or i think when you're in college you're like on a boat with people and you're like i don't know doing some art project on a boat what was it like a save the whales project or something with plastic bottles yeah it was about the plastic patch it's like the size of texas in

the ocean there's like a big but i don't understand were you size of Texas in the ocean. There's like a big... But I don't understand. Were you guys putting plastic in the ocean to show the point, to demonstrate your point? No, we created this kind of like, it almost looked like this. So it's like the patch became sentient and now it's alive and it reached the shores of Santa Monica. So it looked like this big jellyfish. But what was it made out of? It was made out of plastic, but we didn't leave it in the ocean. I remember thinking that. I was like, that it was made out of plastic but we didn't leave it in we didn't leave it in the ocean i remember that's not interesting but we didn't leave it

there it was all recycled stuff that was going anyway to the trash but um why did you make it out of like a biodegradable thing or something no because we didn't want to leave it at the ocean or have it dissolve into the ocean i always thought that was so funny i was like i don. I was like, I don't know what that is, but that's funny. And I like looking at those glimpses of your life. I think it's so interesting because I know what you're saying. It's like giving you a trail. I wish you would have vlogged at like 1920 because I would have loved to have seen what you were like then.

I don't know. Wouldn't it be cool to like no more vlogging? I totally would have if I knew that that was a thing. Like, you know, like the idea of a YouTuber, you know. But I think I was so focused on my art. I was so focused on the work that I was doing that anything else looked like a distraction. Interesting.

You know, so that's probably. But had I, if I had the platform to communicate and talk about what I was doing, I would probably do that. And like tell people. Because you were like private. Communicate about it. Like, no, but I love talking about the thing itself, not about myself so much. Interesting.

Because you're great at talking about your life and your stories. I think everyone should talk about themselves because I think people can learn so much from everybody's past, but specifically you, because I just think you have a lot of knowledge and wisdom to share with people for the most part. You have some hot takes, but specifically you, because I just think you have a lot of knowledge and wisdom to share with people. For the most part, you have some hot takes, but you have some hot takes sometimes. I'm like, okay. Yeah, it's okay. Everyone does. How do you think you can find balance now, being a dad of two, being a husband? Because you really are family as priority, but it's like, I wish, I hope for you when i met you you had you know a book that you were about to put out it was pretty much done you just had to like publish it and you used to publish

books on your own like where do you think you'll ever find a balance like you were working on your water museum like which i think you should still do again like how do you think you'll find your balance and when of getting back to also you like i get a lot of me time yeah but um i enjoy what i do so it's like i enjoy what i do now you know what i mean so i enjoy i would rather spend time with malibu and elvis than work on my book really like not even like an hour you think to take like i go do my nails for an hour i get my hair done for a few hours like yeah but for me for example working on the book is like full like i immerse myself in that space you know like i enter that world that i write about and i'm inside of it and i write about it so so i'm kind of savoring that experience and that project to the right time because i love it so much enjoy it so

much i don't want to do it like one hour here and there. And also I think that project is somewhat, it's a book both for kids and adults, but I want to get to a point where at least Malibu is old enough to understand and participate and almost be like my test audience, right? Like somebody that can balance it, bounce it off. And so to me, that's worth waiting to, so she can kind of participate in it. And I don't know, my first goal is once she's able to be out with me kind of more,

like to start gardening more with her. Okay. You know, so like gardening is the first thing I want to do more. And it'd be even more fun, you know, with the girls outside. And I think she'll be, she likes it. She already likes flowers, watering things. So she'll enjoy it. Okay.

So you think your balance is like incorporating them into the stuff that you like too? Yes, definitely. I actually enjoy it. Okay. So you think your balance is like incorporating them into the stuff that you like too? Yes. Definitely now in this, until they want one to be part of that, you know. Yeah. And that's what I do. And then. That's always hard. Yeah.

It's interesting. Cause like I always think that too. I'm like, okay, the things I enjoy is really working, like doing the podcast. I love doing that. And I love doing obviously like photo shoots and like music videos. And I always just think like, you know, I want to do that stuff again, but I'm like, it would be fun if they were like into it. You know what I mean?

Like if they, if she wanted to sing or be in a music video or something like that, you know, performing. Cause I love dancing with her. Like I love dancing with her. When my dad was here, we were showing them how we do this like little twist and stuff like that. And it's like so much fun just to do it with someone. It might surprise you.

You never know what angle it's going to come from. They might want to do a set design for it. They might want to be the photographer. You never know what angle. That's what I'm saying. When somebody's creative, they just enjoy being creative and there's always something for them to do on a set. That's why I've been always on sets throughout my career

in different forms, in different ways. And now you built this one. And now we have, yeah. You built this whole studio, which is actually like the craziest thing in the whole world. I think it's like the ultimate love language is like,

one day we'll have to do like a full tour. I mean, we kind of did on our Patreon, but like everything you set up here, everything that this podcast is is like you really just built it like it's really amazing how the set design the chairs the walls like it's crazy yeah and it's even more fun when you do it for yourself so it's like yeah oh yeah we talked about that too how it's like you kind of did all these like jobs where you like helped other people achieve like everything like whatever they needed done you kind of just did now you kind

of do it for our family and it's like cool and i always think does it feel like work though because you did it as a job does it feel like work when you have to do no because i always enjoy it i love designing and making stuff so it's even more fun when i get to actually enjoy the things i design when we see those like ai you know of kids' rooms you know like those like I didn't know it was AI did you? those like you know those castles where it's like

some do some don't yeah because I showed the big ones yeah I was showing my glam people I'm like oh I want to do this I think that's AI I was like oh

I feel like you could even the closet I sent you but it's possible even though it's AI it's possible it's not it's just expensive

that's oh my god there's one nothing it comes down to there's like a two-story bedroom for them and they have like castles and the beds and the stairs i was like oh that'd be so cool i just think that's that kind of stuff is like the best the lottery level for sure that guy bought

my ticket for tonight a hundred thousand dollars on you know oh is that it i mean that's not i mean that's not little but that's for kids room yeah because it's not that big but it's a lot of custom work work and it has to have the two-bedroom anyways and everything. I think that'd be so fun. I don't know. So many dreams and ideas. But what do you think is the – for families, what is the most fun to have? We talk about the lottery and financial blessings, but what do you think is the best, the funnest thing we do that doesn't cost any money?

What's the most fun we have as a family that's more inexpensive or doesn't cost a lot? Yeah. I mean, we actually don't really spend that much money on the, you know, like our leisure time, like the time that we just enjoy being together. We haven't spent any money as of late. Yeah. I mean, I think it's just being able to, I don't know, I love when we're just in the playroom all together

and then we get food and we eat and we watch a TV show and we sing and dance. I think we just haven't got there yet because it hasn't been warm enough, but, you know, pool days when we just go to the pool and eat watermelon and then showers and everyone exhausted and naps and, you know, just that simple, the simple life. We did that the other day. We were like all, I think we were like all in bed or something.

And it was just so nice. Before Elvis was born, I remember there was times where we'd just all be in bed at like five o'clock at night or whatever when it was starting to get dark, know early and we just like order pizza and it was so wonderful i remember moses would go down and get the pizza and it was just like pizza being delivered to the bed and malibu was in bed with me and i'm like i wonder what she thinks like oh pizza just gets delivered to the bed she really knows the pizza now like she'll say pizza pizza because she goes out with you to get the pizza or she would say she's gonna tell me like to go to the door and get a pizza. But what made her think that?

Because that's what we do. We open the door, we walk outside and there's somebody with a pizza there. We only get pizza once a week for everyone. She probably thinks he's always there. Go get the pizza. That's how kids think. There's always pizza out there. You just need to go and grab it.

She said that the other day too. She's like pizza. And I was like, oh, well, if you want some, okay. Yeah. It's a simple mind of kids. We only do the pizza. I can't wait for our pizza on Saturday night. I'm eating healthy throughout the week to have that pizza on Saturday night.

Yeah. And pizza is not that bad. 270 calories for a Brooklyn style from Domino's for one piece. And they're big pieces. So yeah, I think there's actually so much joy and like just being with family like that's what I was I said in like of my vlog too is like I really enjoyed that week we weren't on social media I kind of really enjoyed and I I said this the other day too just our days where our days are very simple now because we have the newborn

and where it's just like I'm in bed the first half of the morning with her, with Elvis, and usually Malibu's in there too, and then you guys will either play hide and seek in the room, and then eventually go down to the playroom for like an hour, but then we all go out to like lunch as like a family, then there's usually nap time, and then we were watching Bridgerton, and then, you know, Malibu gets up, and we go to the playroom or go outside with her. And then we just kind of watch TV. She plays in the playroom where we watch The Voice or whatever. And it's just like very simple. We do bath time.

All of us were on the bath time yesterday. We were all there after our walks. And it's just like, I kind of like it. The walks was great. Yesterday was like a perfect day. Went to the lake. Adding the walks now is a big it's wonderful element to it because to me it's like it's always important to go outside like there's there's something when you're always inside the house that gets a little

claustrophobic where it just gets a little bit you need that fresh air you need the connection to the outside the connection to the trees and the birds. Like you just feel a certain reset. So I always try to give it to Malibu too. Like I always. Of course, yeah. We go outside, we play, we do a little bit of things, changing scenery, changing. And it's hard because like, you know, the first three months of a newborn, like they,

our pediatrician recommended like obviously not taking her classes because, you know, so many germs and stuff like that so she had her classes and it's like she doesn't really get that right now like hopefully in a couple months she'll go back to it but it's nice to just like get out and like go to the lake and see the birds or you know go on a walk and she loves airplanes and seeing airplanes or whatever she take it to the airport you know the one where they like i guess it's too loud for them now but like you know where they like the airplanes fly over. Yeah. I always think that's so cool.

I always thought that was like, even as an adult, I was like, oh, that's so cool. You know, because when they're a little older, I guess you put your most like earphones on them. I always wonder too, like when we can take them to concerts, like when can I take her to see Donny Osmond? You know what I mean? Like, is that two? Is that three? He's pretty wild, Donny.

She would like love his show. You know what I mean? I feel like. It's very colorful. Or maybe more Disney on ice. I was kid-oriented a bit, too, because he was a star child and there's a lot of elements in the show from his early...

Yeah. I don't know if Donnie Osmond would be here for a show, but maybe like Disney on ice. Well, he did come into the building. That's true. Okay, we'll take her to go see Uncle Donnie. He's kind of been with us throughout the journey of us trying to have our second baby to go in and winning the costume during our second pregnancy we love donny aspen but i think yeah we could take her to shows maybe at like three or something i love shows like that well there's shows for kids

so there's definitely shows we can take them for kids coco melon live and i think that's one thing i always surprise is all the shows all the characters that are like supposed to be like little and their size are like huge and i notice like every time like they get scared or they get you know like easter bunny like the bunny is huge like why is the bunny not their size like they show up and there's a bunny their size yeah that would make more sense yes there's plenty of adult performers who could like be in a bunny costume like that are are shorter in size or use kids or whatever but maybe not kids i'm gonna put kids in a bunny costume all day to say hi to the other

kids that would be weird if that's what they want to do i think that probably the adults probably are better at it but yeah i agree with that because the cocoa melons are so big we've seen them like they're on tour or something and they're so big. And she knows all of them. She knows Cody and Cece and Tom Tom. And I was like, wow. Yo-Yo. Yo-Yo. Every night when we sit down to watch TV, she goes, Coco.

Because we watch Coco throughout the whole day, but nighttime, no Coco. And we're like, he's sleeping. She's like, Tom Tom. He's sleeping too. Cody. And she actually, she doesn't watch a lot of TV. She's like not. Usually in the morning we let her.

It's more like she has to turn it on, but then she quickly moves on. Like we do spend most of the time – It's her waking up. Either like drawing or – I think it's like a communication thing. Once she could communicate it, she got excited about being able to say TV and we understand what she wants and we turn it on. A lot of those things are just like – Yeah. Like she'll say eat, but she doesn't want to eat.

She just wants to go to the kitchen or something like that. Something. Draw is going to the playroom. So it's kind of that same vibe. She's very – I think it's her first thing when she wakes up, tea. I think that's just her instinct to be like, turn it on. We usually wait a while.

I usually turn it on now so you can get some extra sleep in the morning because she's like – wants to see you right away. She loves waking us up. She won't let me sleep. She's like, pull the blanket, tap on my shoulder. So what are we doing for Father's Day? It's like weird because my dad's not in town this Father's Day. So it's like, okay, so it's actually just us.

And what are we going to do? Well, if the weather is good, maybe that will be our beginning of pool days, you know. Oh, okay. That's simple. Get the pool going. Get the grill going. Get some watermelons. Get some.

So weird you brought that up. Oh, my God. That was one of my hot topics. I don't know if it is going to be for this week. Probably not. Well, we're going to have it brought down. There was a guy. They're called the Unplanned Podcast.

It's Matt and Abby. I talk about them all the time, but i feel like you haven't seen them that's like a young couple that has a podcast and they have some hot takes i think they have hot takes to go viral i think they say kind of crazy stuff but this one was crazy because he was being serious it's the guy that wrote the song about being depressed postpartum like whatever it's but just basically like i didn't want this life like this i'm not happy it doesn't i look happy but i'm not like that kind of yeah like i have everything but i'm not happy. It doesn't, I look happy, but I'm not like that. Yeah. Like I have everything, but I'm not happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of anyways. So he did, he was talking about how his birthday falls on father's day. So they're canceling father's

day. He's like, we're not celebrating this year because it's my birthday. And last year you combined the two holidays. He sold his wife. He's like, you did father's day and my birthday. And he's like, I let you pass. Cause it's like you were pregnant, but like that wasn't cool, whatever. And he said, and not only that, I had to grill on that day. Like I grilled for Father's Day on my birthday. So he was just like so annoyed about it. And she was like, yeah, I'm sorry. Like, you know, this year we won't do it. We'll just do your birthday or something like that. And it's so funny he said he wanted to grill because I was like, I didn't think about that for Father's Day. It's like a lot of of people do grill but like do fathers want to grill do they want a special day like we went to malibu ranch and got like pampered and gifts i'm like do dads want that but then you just said i like you wanted to grill and

yeah because i enjoy that more like i don't know like whenever i cook food for you guys and and especially like if malibu i don't know like because she's more aware of it but if i cook something for her like she sees that i'm making it right so you know it's more it's more exciting to me it's more exciting to her and learning i don't know she can learn that she can grill and cook and make food and it's so interesting that's so funny you said that because i was just like oh that's so weird that guy's so funny you said that because I was just like, oh, that's so weird. That guy was so annoyed. Yeah, but he seems to be a little. He's young.

A little drama. I guess, again, it goes maybe with age or something like that because. I mean, some people are just, I don't know. It's not. It's a type of laziness. They want to do nothing as a reward for something. I think he wanted to just be more celebrated for him for his birthday rather than cooking for everyone on his Father's Day. Father's Day is a weird one.

One, it's too close to Mother's Day. I think they should be separated a little bit more. But it is a weird one because it's like – I know it more as a family day. I don't really know it as Father's Day. Yeah, even Mother's Day. I think a lot of moms were like, this day should just be for us to do what we want. And I was like, well, but – I'm all for that, especially on your birthday.

Okay, do whatever you want. But I'm like, done with Mother's Day. Don't you want to be like, you want to go out with your kids so people are like, happy Mother's Day. Yeah. It's in relationship to the family. Like you see my kids, you see I'm pregnant. Otherwise they think you're just a single woman without kids. No, for sure.

I feel like I went so long being single and like on Mother's Day, it's like, okay, no one said happy Mother's Day to me. And now it's like, I would like to get all the accolades for that. You know what I mean? Thank you. I'm a mother. I saw that our place, our lake spot had a Father's Day brunch, but if you're down for cooking, I love grilling too. It's more the pool.

So if the weather is good, then... I won't be able to go in with my C-section. No, but you can lounge. Okay. Me and Elvis. Get your drinks, your watermelon, the food. That's true. I guess I could do a kiddie pool, like low.

Well, that's the thing. We want to blow up the big one we got for Malibu. So you can sit in that one. Okay. Just sit there. I like it. You can sit in the kiddie pool. I love that.

I got the new hat. That'd be cute. Okay. I like that. That's very simple. Yeah. Because it's more enjoyable when it's simple. There's less loading and offloading. That'd be cute. Okay, I like that. That's very simple. Yeah, because it's more enjoyable when it's simple. There's less loading and offloading and people and packing.

Oh, I know. I feel so bad. You know what I mean? But we're so lucky. Shout out to all the dads out there who do all that stuff, who unload and load. And you do the bags. You do the car seats. It's really nice.

I guess I'm spoiled where I'm just like, God, being married is like the best thing ever. It's like made my life easier but i do feel for all the moms out there who like have a husband who's like a man child and like doesn't do anything and they have to like take care of everybody that would suck and then that's why a lot of moms are like or just wives are like i'm so much happier divorce because it's like it's so much easier i don't have to take care of like another like adult child yeah if your man replaced his mom with you, I'm sorry for you. I guess I never attracted that because I don't have – I never had that maternal energy, so I never attracted those kind of men.

Thank God. I mean, I just had the awful – I mean, they show up and they try and they just – Yeah. You probably were like – No, I'm not cooking. Anyone who was like, can you cook? I was like, no.

I only ever cooked for you, actually. But mostly it's not even – you have, but mostly it's not even. I did a lot. It's not really the cooking aspect. It's usually more emotional. Right. They want the woman to be there as the, what the mom did for them, including being judgy and awful. But, you know, it's not just all good.

I need to be more like that for you, especially when you're sick. I'm so bad at it. Like, I'm just so bad. Like, I need to be more. I'm like, I can Postmates soup, but I don't know what else to do. You're like, I can home make you soup. I'm like, okay. Still now, if I'm trying to diet, so you'll be making the eggs and peeling them and cutting my grapefruit. I'm like, I can do that. And you're like, you still do it for me. I guess the opposite. Maybe you're attracted. I feel like I'm more like your dad in this scenario. Maybe I was more like the narcissist and stuff like that when you first met me. I always feel that. I always feel like maybe you were attracted to me because it was

the dad vibes. I gave your dad energy. Because I was kind of like that. The way you describe your dad, before I got myself together, I was kind of like – thought the world revolved around me and everyone wanted – I was out to get me and everything everyone did was to spite me. So when you said that kind of stuff, I was like, maybe that's why you were attracted to me. No, but I think that's a very common trait. A lot of people are. I had anger issues.

The way you described your dad, I was like, it's kind of like me, I guess. People were scared of me online because I was so snappy and stuff. You know what I mean? It was this kind of control or power because people are like, oh my God, Trish, don't talk about her, which is not a good thing. I'm not proud of it. I think if anything, it's the other way around. It's because of that I wasn't, that I'm not afraid that.

That's true. That's what I'm saying. You weren't afraid of me, but. Yeah. But it's not, but that's not the attraction. But you weren't afraid of your dad. Yeah. But that's not the attraction part.

It's more, that's why, it's more, that's why you liked me because I wasn't afraid of you. Yeah, that's true, I guess. Because if a guy shows up and is like scared, then you're like, okay, go back to your mama. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know the whole science behind it. But sometimes when you describe your dad, I'm like, that was kind of like me when I first met you. I was a little.

No, I think he just gave me tools, but i don't think that's a attraction thing interesting it's more like ability of yeah tools to handle certain aspects of person well i think i think i were a great match i got lucky with you because i'm like god my life is a thousand times easier since we've gotten married. Everything's so easy and wonderful. But maybe for you, you just took on so much more responsibility. No, I got lucky too because I'm not, first of all, I'm not afraid of work or it's not hard, but life is so much more full and exciting and fun and of course, and a family, like we actually have a family and that's

why in the past there was no relationships that continued because there was no prospect of having a family and that's what i wanted so i don't think i think we're both lucky and we just complement each other perfectly because the things you think are hard for me are easy yeah and things that look for me hard for you are easy. Good at entertainment. I have a whole plan for our family's years. I'm like, okay, for birthdays, this. For your birthday, this.

For my birthday, this. Okay, we go on vacation in January, not in the summer when everyone else goes because January, it's more cost effective. It's not as crowded. Summer, everyone's crowded. We stay home at the pool. Our birthdays, we do our hotel getaways with our kids, but then their birthdays, it's birthday parties because we like to put on a thing obviously christmas is like holiday cards halloween i'm already thinking about the costume because now that father's day is coming to an end and we just

did even though hasn't even started yet we did our photo shoot for father's day i'm like okay the next thing is halloween so i'm like okay we get the costumes around do we do a set are we going to trick-or-treat in these same costumes we have different costumes for trick-or-treating like it's a whole it was up to me and none of that would have even happened that's why i hope that i hope the girls will like it when because if they don't it's fine like i know there's little there's kids that like hate doing photo shoots now and i was just like okay if they don't like doing it it's fine but i hope when i love dressing up i think they'll just get used to it i don't think it's about like i think they'll just be like this is what we do no but i think they'll like it like i love doing glamour shots i love getting dressed

up i love doing makeup so obviously it's like i wouldn't worry if they're not liking it but no they don't they don't hate it that's the smallest part of it like we most of it we have fun like all the stuff you described yeah you know i hope so like disneyland trips i'm like oh i'm like even this year i was like oh could we try and like maybe go to the halloween one because malibu can walk around trick-or- treat and get candy. We could push Elvis or, you know, have my mom stay with her in the room or something like that. Like, I don't know. I just, I just want to do so many like exciting things with them that are like fun that I'm

like. Yeah. It is itching like in Malibu to Disneyland. I know. I was like, cause I, she, again, she's totally happy. Like just, we haven't even done the pool days yet really, but she's totally happy just what we're doing. But it's like, God, I just want to get that elevation we love going to the lake that she loves chasing the ducks and the birds and stuff and i like to me again watching a child

just be that happy chasing bubbles is like the best thing in the whole world i'm like the simplicity so i guess you can wait a little bit without trying to get too complicated but i'm already i already sent moses to tokyo i'm like you know it's actually cheaper to fly to tokyo and buy a Disney ticket there than it is to go here. Like there's so many. Our photographer today told me that. She just came back from Japan for like two weeks.

And she said how, is it the yen? Yeah, the yen. The yen like is like so cheap, like to American dollars. Like it's actually like you can get so much food and so much. Interesting. And she said the Tokyo Sea was like $40, $40 US dollars, which is like unheard of here. It's my favorite food in the world. She said it was amazing.

She was like, I saw you get sushi yesterday. She goes, oh my God, I feel like sushi. I'm like, oh, Moses. That's been both of our- No, I mean, that would be, coming back will be so hard. Well, we'll go for like two weeks. And that was both of our kind of like dream destinations that neither one of us had been Yeah, I was planning to go before we met.

Same. And so I feel like together, I saw something like keeping marriages exciting or families exciting is like going to new places together that you've never been before because there's some places i want to go to borbora but i've been there before it's like it'd be cool to go to like a new place together yeah so like tokyo there's so many because i haven't gone too many yeah which is like so crazy i'm like i haven't either i think i had like a year of like traveling but it didn't go to many places so it would be fun to do I haven't either. I think I had like a year of like traveling, but it didn't go to many places. So it would be fun to do all those things together.

But I think Tokyo might be on the top of our list. Yes. And when the kids are – at least maybe can walk and stuff like that. But yeah, I think it would be fun. They love rice. Malibu loves rice. She's a rice baby for sure. She loves her rice and maybe she loves sushi, like the shrimp tempura.

I liked our sushi yesterday. I would actually go back. Like I liked the roll if it was the roll I liked. Yeah. Yeah. We had a sushi boat, but some of them had raw fish. I like the cooked stuff in it, but it's good. So Father's Day.

Okay. We're going to grill. Okay. I like that. That's cute. Yeah. I can't wait to warm up the pool. Oh, I love that.

That makes it so simple then. Okay. Yeah. It can be simple. Father's cute. Yeah, I can't wait to warm up the pool. Oh, I love that. That makes it so simple then. Okay. Yeah, it can be simple. Father's Day. Fathers are. Happy Father's Day. Oh, my God, it's crazy. Each Father's Day since we've met.

First Father's Day, we went with my dad. Second Father's Day, I was pregnant. Third Father's Day, you have Malibu. And now Fourth Father's Day is baby Elvis. Another baby Elvis. Oh, my God. Well, let's not keep this trend going. Next Father's Day. There's another God. Let's not keep this trend going on the next Father's Day.

There's another pregnancy. Making babies. I can't feel. Well, making babies is fun. Raising babies is fun, too. Honestly, whatever. Okay, who cares? Let's have a third.

No, it is interesting. I guess that's part of being a – I get why people just have kids, though. I get why people just keep having kids because it's – It's addictive. It's addictive. It's also like you never know what you're going having kids. It's addictive. It's addictive. It's also like you never know what you're going to get. It's like what they look like, what their character is like.

Right. But we kind of did a cut and paste with Elvis, with Malibu. They're kind of the... They seem to be identical, but we'll see. Their personality. Visually still, they'll change. They can change a bit different, but they have the same, even birthmark, the same toes, the same hands, the same everything.

Expressions. And now we're putting her in Malibu's onesies because, you know, like, why not? I'm all about that. Like, and my sister says she loved all my hands. To this day, my sister's still like, I love when you give me your clothes. She liked it as a kid. She loved it as an adult. She's like, yeah, I actually really like when I get your clothes.

So anyways, we did that with, it just makes sense for babies because they grow so fast so we did that with elva she's wearing malibu's onesies and it's like so yeah i like she'll care about it now fashion wise no yeah even mel was kind of a fashion baby but i like the outfits that she puts on she's always kind of like just whatever it's the hat and the pink skirts and that she gets from you definitely because i cannot stand having anything on me so she likes she would she'll put a hat glasses and she's like the ring today putting ring she has like fake makeup that she puts on in the mirror every morning it's so funny crazy because i don't even put makeup on myself i just like maybe the glam she sees and she'll go in front of the mirror with the lipstick and you know it's so weird

because like she really doesn't sit down in the glam like that with me and so it. No, she'll go in front of the mirror with the lipstick and, you know. It's so weird. Because like, she really doesn't sit down in the glam like that with me. So it's like the fact that she sees that. And when I go get my makeup done, she goes, Mama, makeup? And I'm like, yeah. Well, so everyone always,

my least favorite thing as a parent is when people are like, just wait, just wait. And I think people like, really love to like, scare people. Like, everyone was telling us like, the one to two. And like, again, I get it.

She's a newborn and like, newborn stage is like, so easy. But transitioning the one to two and like again i get it she's a newborn and like newborn stage is like so easy but transitioning from one to two i i've already kind of said mine i said transitioning from zero to one was harder for me like no kids to one kid yeah what do you think about transitioning one to two no zero to one is harder because it's unknown you go from you go into a completely different world and completely unknown territory. Now you're going to a known territory. You just need to manage it better

because you have that toddler running around. And you also have to manage their emotions around having a new baby. But it's not something to be scared of. I feel like people really try to scare us. Or not even intentionally like tiktoks you know what i mean would be like people do and it's so wrong i mean people always try to scare you and always like oh just wait just wait and i was like well maybe that was you you know maybe it's not the kids it's it's you that's true because people would say that about the toddler like wait till their toddler stages

but i love this stage of my album and again i can i know shot three but it's like i don't know i kind of live for every stage and i like the stage now of them and i will say like newborn stage appreciate it because they kind of are just kind of peaceful and oh for them our babies i guess i mean there are some yeah because it's all until they start moving around yeah it's like it's it's very simple and if they eat well and i find that most issues are around food, babies usually, they're hungry, so they cry. And that's really what it comes down to. And so if they can eat well and it's easy for them to digest and everything, then you're lucky and it's going to be easy. You just keep them fed.

It's a good rule for everybody. But there's just too many parents that, you know, maybe they stress their own kids and their kids are stressed or they're angry with their kids or whatever is happening in the house. You know, everyone trigger each other. So it's like, yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, I think we're, again, we're lucky. We work from home. We spend enough time with our kids.

They feel good, you know, about their time with us. So they're not anxious about it. And I think when kids don't have enough time with their parents, they start acting out and they start doing things to get the parents' attention. And then it starts becoming difficult, you know. You want to go to work and suddenly they'll do everything they can to stop you from going to work or you are at work and you get a phone call you need to come immediately because

yeah it's it's tough and it's hard and and we're just lucky that we work from home and we have time with the kids so just come down the stairs we have to just go up if we need to get called and that's oh i'm so thankful for that. I do gratitude all the time. And I'm so thankful that we have a job from our house. We both do together. It's kind of, and like you said, it's fun. To me, it's like, this is my hobby.

To me, this is fun. This is like, you know, it's work, but it's also like, I don't know. I always feel like we're on a, like now I just feel like this is our date night. You know what I mean? Because like we're just talking to each other. Or when we do the hot topics and stuff like that, it's like, it's fun. I get to talk to Oscar. Yeah.

Or you get to meet new people and interview them. Yeah. So it's like, I'm like, that's the thing I'm most thankful for, for sure. Obviously you, you're number one on that list. Kids and then having that job and that we get to be with them all the time. And who knows, one day it might be just Trish and Malibu. Just Trish, Malibu, and Elvis. Definitely possible. Malibu Barbie. Iish, Malibu, and Elvis. Definitely possible.

Malibu Barbie. I think she'll have a lot to say. Oh gosh, I know. When they actually start talking fully, I was just like, oh my God. You know kids are so honest too. They'll be saying everything. Brutally. Brutally honest.

They're like, actually, mommy, when you do this, oh my gosh. But I'm so excited for that. I cannot wait to hear her thoughts like she shares them but she's very whatever but just like her full thoughts and what she's thinking because i always think that sometimes i'm like okay what's really what is she thinking and thinking yeah no she's identified things and so interesting because she's like you know we're at the bookstore and she's another kid and their dad and she's like she's like that's a dad you know like yeah like she realized that somebody else's dad and then she looks at me and she's like, that's a dad. You know, like she realized that somebody else's dad.

And then she looks at me and she's like, me, dad. Yeah. Like it's so interesting how they perceive things and develop on their own, like without telling her anything. It's just fun. It's fun to watch a human being form from zero to, you know, a fully grown human being. And the stages, it's just they all happen so quickly and so fast.

And as everyone says, it's like the person that sees candy is like, oh my God, enjoy that time. My daughter's 16 and I wish I could go back to that. So it's like everyone, that's the one thing everyone does say. And it's like, okay, I really take that to heart. It's like, and just being the present in general. I think with us too, it's like, I always think back to when we first met. I'm like, God, I wish I could have been, enjoyed it more when it was just us two.

Not that I didn't, because we were quarantined and we didn't enjoy it, but I was like, God, the stuff that I was like worried about or thought about then, I'm like, I wish I could have just enjoyed. Yeah. When the kids are grown, we'll have the rest of our lives as just us, you know. And I will like, and I will appreciate it too. Like I said, that's why I appreciate

the time in the hospital where it's like nine hours of just us where we used to be able to do that and I would just, I don't know. I appreciate it though. Like when we look back at quarantine, I was like, oh, it's like nine hours of just us, where we used to be able to do that. And I would just, I don't know. I appreciate it though. Like when we look back at quarantine, I was like, oh, it's kind of fun, you know, our little sushi nights, our jacuzzi nights. We were lucky. I mean, the world was going down the drain and we had fun the whole time. And we talked.

I remember we talked so much that first couple weeks of quarantine. I remember we just talked for like hours in my white couch, just literally from sunrise to sunset. It was just like talking and asking questions. Yeah, the world was shut down there was nothing else just us it was so nice it was so fun so yeah that's one thing i learned is to be present and i'm trying i feel like i'm doing a pretty good job of it now like i love like i said just the simple walks or lunches or bed together in the morning but together at night like no now

it seems to be the opposite of the you you know, the previous with Malibu, the postpartum depression. Now it's an opposite. Oh yeah. Where I'm just like, I need to just be as present. Yeah. And it sucks, but I guess it's like part of it. You know what I mean?

And if anything, yeah, it's like definitely made me a better mom to Elvis and now also Malibu just to be like, I'm not going to miss out on anything else again. And when I do get sad i mean not at all different people postpartum different people you know deal with it but um when i do get sad i really do have to remind myself like okay like i guess for me i'm just like i need to go down let me just go down and be with like malibu and stuff even through this because it makes me happy like it just makes me happy i'm like this is like something like i always wanted like let me just go but it's easier said than done sometimes and i also have a really good husband so it helps we we managed to

i don't know we managed to not let it affect the kids so yeah it sounds like it didn't happen you know and that's hard it's again i think it's like because i have you and you can give me space if i need space and stuff like that like. Like it's been easier to deal with. But it can be hard. So as Dr. Drew said, there's medications out there if you are suffering from postpartum depression. Definitely use it if you need it. Dr. Drew said something to me too on the last episode where it was like we don't want our kids to feel – what is it? Responsible for our emotions or something like that, you know?

Definitely. And I was like, that also really resonated with me because it's like, because some people are like, you know, it's okay to let them see you cry. But, you know, for me, it's just like I don't want her to feel any sort of like sadness or anything or that she's responsible for it. Because even if you don't, even if you don't intend your kids to feel it, they'll still feel responsible for it, you know? Like my parents didn't tell me anything, but I knew certain things that made me feel completely responsible for everything on on my own right so it's like yeah they just do it

on their own so you definitely don't even open the door to that yeah to not even say oh life before you or you know i felt this it's like i don't want them to know like anything that they're just children unfortunately most parents trauma dump everything on their kids because they want the kids to identify with them and see their victimhood and see them as a victim. But yeah, let kids be kids. Yeah. All the way. Remember that you're the parent.

You're not. And even in the opposite direction too, I never want to be like, like I say in my vlogs, I'm like, oh my God, my children's changed me and saved me. But I never want them to feel that either, the heaviness of like, oh my God, we're like my mom's whole world. We better just like, you know, stick around her and stuff like that. So I try and just keep it even keel, just like, just we're all just in a family together.

Because sometimes that can be so dramatic, even in my blogs where I'm just like, oh my God, like, I don't know what I'd do without my kids. They're my whole world. Like, never leave me. And then they'll have that too, you know, like, oh shoot. Can't leave mom. She's going to be a wreck. So try to find that balance. That won't be here. Yeah. I really hope you outlive me too, because I feel like I would be that mom that's like, your dad's not here. I don't know what to do. I would never do that because I know that too, but

it's hard. Yeah. Love the kids. Shout out Malibu and Elvis. Did you see Eminem did the diss track on his kids? No. He has a new song called Houdini, which is one of our names for boys out. And he did like a diss on his kids. What his kids were in it.

They were like on FaceTime and stuff like that. I don't know. They're like Eminem is the only one who can do that. This has been so much fun getting to know you, getting to know everything about fatherhood. We've done a lot about fatherhood. Sorry if you watch this whole episode and we're naughty. I love when people though, like don't have kids and they watch it and they're like, I watch this whole episode even though I have like no kids. And I'm like, I kind of love that too.

Cause I never did when I was like, when I didn't have kids, I never watched anything about like family vloggers. But I like when people do. Like this pertains not to me. It's never too late. I mean, it's never too early to get ready and learn. That's true. You know, or learn even about yourself and your parents.

Yeah. Like that's the one thing about being a parent is like just understanding them better, forgiving them. Because there's so many people who have like, if this Father's Day, like, you know, there's so many people who have bad relationships with their dads, no relationship with their dads. It seems like dads seem to be more absent in children's lives than moms in general. And I think it's because they can,

you know, moms seem to, it's wild though. Like dads just leave one day. It is crazy. When you think about that kind of stuff, it's like moms can do that. Obviously they have,

but you just never hear that as much as like dads just leaving. Yeah. Because physically they need to, you know, if it's like moms can do that obviously they have but you just never hear that as much as like dad's just leaving yeah because physically they need to you know if it's breastfeed or care or they have the more of a maternal instinct and caring for the baby so if your dad wasn't in your life it's just like sad it just makes me all sad the whole thing like that but if you have a dad in your life and you know for me i know i like mended my relationship with my dad and like it doesn't fix things always but sometimes it's you know it's good to forgive yeah for your own sake for my own sake for i love malibu with my dad and um yeah just interesting but shout out to all the parents out there of all types we We know you do the best that you can.

Ugh, for the most part, yeah. I think every parent. No, everyone, they do the best that they can, even if it's awful, but that's the best they could. That's a good thing to remember. It's like even if your dad left or something, it's like, you know, they probably, it wasn't because of you. No, parents don't leave the kids. They leave the other parent. Or they just, you know, can't handle something.

It's always like maybe mental or something. It's like, you know, I feel for those people too that just had to like leave, you know. It's like, you know, and the kids suffer from it, which is sad. But it's not your fault. If your children are divorced, it's not your fault. No matter what your parents tell you. Yeah. And, you know.

Break the cycle. You don't you know. Break the cycle. You don't need to. Break the cycle. Carry on their, you know, the generational trauma. Do you have any advice for fathers out there? New fathers, girl dads? Best piece of advice? Words of encouragement?

Stay calm. Trust the process stay calm is a good one don't get angry they will kids will they will do the one thing that will make you the most upset

so just try and push your butt sometimes I bite my lip and I'm like do you? I never see you the things that are simple like

like one time my like I don't know like my finger i got hurt and it was and and malibu like she will grab that one finger and pull me you know and you're like okay you know like you don't oh okay like i won't pull my hand back i won't pull like i won't react even physically in a way that feels aggressive there or um like i said there's the one thing i don't know there's one piece of furniture that's white and they're gonna take their messy hands and they're gonna go there and

they were gonna like get ready don't get upset don't get angry um because it's their soul that is affected if you get angry don't lie to them because they know when you lie and that will destroy them and um yeah i don't know i mean just the stay calm i think is probably the best thing i think my life would have been different if my dad would have been like calmer talking to me yeah like what is your calmness has healed me because it's like you know there's objects around let them be destroyed and not your kids spirit. Yeah. Everything's replaceable. Everything's fixable.

Yeah. And this is the time we're building their character, building their confidence or we don't want to give them any, you know, anxious feeling and we don't have to feel judged. We don't want to feel. Yeah. Just don't traumatize your kids. Because you're said than done sometimes. Sometimes you don't want them to feel judged. We don't want to feel, yeah, just don't traumatize your kids. Because you're said than done sometimes.

Sometimes you don't even know. I'm excited for the daddy-daughter dances. I cannot wait. I think that's going to be so cute. And I love that you have two daughters the same age, so you'll probably be taking both of them. And I think that's like the cutest thing in the whole world. Yeah, I've never seen one even.

It's cute. My dad took me to one. And it was kind of iconic. I kind of live for it. I had to find that picture. I always see it. Those are fun. Those are even. It's cute. My dad took me to one. It was – and it was kind of iconic. I kind of live for it. I had to find that picture. I always see it. Those are fun. Those are cute.

It's so funny. What age does it start? I think early. Like I think like six or – it just depends too. Like sometimes like if she goes to dance class at like three, I've seen the ones where the dads go on stage with their daughters, which I think is like so funny and cute. And then the daddy-daughter dances, whether it's at church or like a country club or something, like those usually start at like five, six. And I think it's like so cute. Up until like they're

teenagers too, I think they do it. And I think it's like so cute if they still want to do it. But you know, they dress up, you get to buy them like a little corsage. And I think it's just so important. I don't know. It makes you feel special. I remember I felt special because like I got to wear a pretty dress. My dad got me a corsage. It was the only time I ever was taken to a dance. I never went to like homecoming or prom or anything. So I think it's like special. I'm looking forward to it. It's like making them feel special. Malibu will love it. Elvis too. They'll love it. They'll be like feeling like, I don't know. I just like, like even today watching you with them and the photos, like they just like melt in my heart because they do just like gravitate you. Like

Malibu, cause she's older, but she's's just like you can tell she just feels like special and i don't know it's pretty cute i like seeing all of it all right you guys thank you to my husband my father of my children mother of my children it's father's day see even father's day he can't make it about him he always is like just give birth he just had a baby that makes me happy and everything is good thanks babe it's been the best year ever so far 2024 yeah here's two more amazing years i always think everything in our relationship every year keeps getting better and better and just more exciting and more fun and that's true especially now with those two little girls that are. They keep you up. I mean, our photo shoot today was so funny. It was just funny to see Malibu in such a different way.

And then Elvis was kind of crushing it too. She was kind of just. She was up for the whole thing. Chilling and she got some close ups. Yeah, she was so chill about it. I was surprised because she gets hungry a lot. So I just thought she was going to get hungrier more. But all right. Thanks, guys, for watching. We love you guys. hungry a lot so I just thought she was going to get hungrier more but alright

thanks guys for watching we love you guys we'll see you on the next Hot Topics where you can hear more of my husband's you didn't do as many dad jokes today I guess you're more serious in our interviews together yeah and it's also like you know we're newborn up all night

we're you know oh but you had your cappuccino we're mellow right did you have your oh but you had your cappuccino a little bit but yeah we're mellow today kids are sleeping kids are sleeping we had a big photo shoot

we were we were sweating I was like we need to get inside because I knew we were going to do this podcast and I was like

I need to get inside because I am sweating so this is another one of the episodes you can put on your sleeping playlist if you want to fall asleep this is the one

to fall asleep to yeah I like it it's nice and calm because i was like a little like stressed out because i was like hi and then i couldn't cool down and then i was feeding elvis before so then i was like i couldn't cool down from that none of my dresses were fitting this was giving too much cleavage i was just like okay i was a little stressed this is kind of nice a little de-stressed unstressed we're done for the day we We're going to eat. Go eat. Fashion Nova. All good.

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