Just Trish - Nickocado Avocado SHOCKING Weight Loss + Daniel Preda Gets REAL | Just Trish Ep 112

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Nickocado Avocado is BACK from hiatus and shocks the world with his dramatic 250 lb weight loss. He claims it was a social experiment and that he's always been two steps ahead of everyone. But is that the truth? Trisha and guest host Daniel Preda are going to find out! That and more on today's juicy episode of Just Trish! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Girl, please you're still broke. You're still broke and you this is your first paying job like get it together No, escape the night was wild. Is it true that YouTube said no to me when we do our mukbangs? I look back on my key was completely like normal So I'm like I have to wonder is that a character was he always trying to was this his plan to be like I? Just think when you do a dramatic transformation weight loss like that It is shocking and it gets the views and the attention and is that real i thought was like a myth her name is trish she's got the fish and all the gossips filthy rich pretty and pink hot topic queen and says what everybody thinks she's just. Hey, guys.

Welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. You guys, stay our guest co-hosts. It's someone I've known for a very long time. Super sweet, super special. And we're already starting with the tierist, Daniel Prada. Hi. Oh, my God. I'm so happy I'm here. It's been.

How long have we. I think we've known each other for like 10 years now. At least. At least. Because you knew me when I was in that big creepy house. Remember? I've known you through all the moments. All the moments.

And the adventures and the chapters and the lore. Yeah. We've been. Yeah. I think at least 2014. Yeah. 2014. Because that's when I moved to LA 2014.

And I got in a relationship that summer. And then I kind of was thrown into like the world of YouTube. The only person I knew on YouTube was Jenna Marbles. And you actually because you had like viral moments. Did you know me? Oh, I didn't know. You did like parodies almost. Or just like it was a character.

I tried to do everything back then. You threw the spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. To see what sticks. That's actually in my poetry book. We were just reading it the other day. And I was like, oh, that was a line I put in there where I was like, I threw it to the wall and see what sticks you're writing a poetry book?

I did write one oh okay I don't know if you sent me that one I didn't did I send you books in the past because that would be embarrassing I feel like you did but you self published a lot

I self published all of my books and they all were like just poorly written I never had any spell check I was just like what is it called? editing I never had any editing

Gabiana has some competition with the poetry I did do the original poetry no actually you know what I'm going to Hanna has some competition with the poetry. I did do the original poetry. No, actually, you know what? I'm going to copy her, actually. Maybe I did the poetry after. I did the books in 2013, but I think the poetry one was 2019. Okay. Yeah, it's been a long time. Shout out, Gabby, for being the original poet of YouTube. I mean, Henry Longworth's

Wildfellow who? Like, we don't know. Gabby Hanna. She's good. Sometimes it's good. Tana just did a sound of one of Gabby's where it's like, I wish I could sleep, but I can't sleep with all the dead babies. And I was like, kind of eats. There's something there. Yeah.

I know we have our history with her, but sometimes you can look and be like, okay, there's something there. How are you? I love that you have lover on today and not hater. Well, hold on now. Okay. Now, hold on now. We have the hats. So I can actually, you know what?

Today, I am a lover, but also I'm a part time hater so we can do that I need to make sure the patch is centered so tell me if it looks goofy this is iconic so I came up with this design is it is it correct I think it's centered let me see is it good yeah that was perfect is it good wow yeah amazing so I came up with this design because I'm like I want to put out

a hat that you can do both like if you're a lover and a hater I'm multifaceted you're multifaceted mostly I'm a lover but sometimes I have to pull out you know the quips and the the a little shade you are you are i wouldn't even say you're a hater i would say you have to be a little messy yeah i don't like the word messy and you've said that about me in the past i think i'm honest and i think now it's appropriate to be honest and like upfront and almost like brutally honest. Right. But like what?

Five, ten years ago. That's what I'm saying. More that. More like. More that. Five, ten years ago, if you were this honest and upfront. Like. Yeah.

Especially my demographic was teens and kids. Yeah. They were nervous of me. They're like, oh, who's this person that's so like confident and, you know, you know. Right. Out there. But you never think you were shady? No, I was definitely shady. We're all shady we're all shady i mean like yes like people shade is deserved most of the time i was recently made aware of it we don't get right into it but the shady video um i think oscar

brought up and i had no idea i've never seen the video about the christmas party and you were alluding to people talking about drama and i was like wait what i always i will allude i will allude to things people can people can take it whichever way they want to but no i mean that was that was wild those were wild times was i banned from the christmas party you were never banned from the christmas party but also no i think that was the last one we had no there was one the next year 2019 you were not invited to 2019 no was that a decision you guys made like we're definitely conscious decision me and gabby both you and gabby both and it wasn't it truly wasn't personal it's just because there was there was so many other people invited and

i'm like i don't want drama to happen ever again because our christmas parties like my ex joey and i like we grew up and we didn't have, like, a super supportive family. And we came out here at a young age and, like, we want to bring people together. And our Christmas parties were just that. It was fun. It was like, who has Christmas parties like that anymore? No one does. Every single YouTuber was there because it was a community then.

Yeah. And we just wanted to have a good time. And, like, things get out of hand sometimes. And I will say 2018 was the most fun. And that was, like, the And that was like the peak. That was the peak. And maybe it led to our breakup. Who knows?

When did you break up? In 2020, but still. Okay. It was COVID too. Oh, I see. So your last birthday or your last Christmas party was right before COVID. 2019. 2019.

That was the one I don't think of. I think I had my own Christmas party that year. I think you did. And also that was the time when like TikTok was starting to like rumble. And the community just like wasn't really a thing anymore. People were traveling. So it was a small, more intimate party. It wasn't anything crazy.

Okay. Because I was like, oh, well, at least it was equally that we didn't get invited. Even though I didn't think the drama was between me and Gabby. It was between me and Laura and Manny. Yeah. Which, I think we're fine now. I think that they talked about me. It was silly.

It was, like, I mean, there was a cap on the gifts. From what I can recall, it was a $100 cap or maybe $300 and you came in with like a Balenciaga hoodie and an iPad. Yeah, I love that.

You hated it. You were asking for it. Wait, really? I don't know. Don't you want to be like have a one bougie thing? Like, here you guys go. No, I do love it.

Or do you think it was drama? Why was it drama? No, there was no drama. I mean, it was a white elephant party. Nobody knew who they were taking from. It just was. And then it was, it just, it was drama. Why was it drama? No, there was no drama. I mean, it was a white elephant party. Nobody knew who they were taking from. It just was. Right.

And then it was just, it was silly. It wasn't anything serious. I didn't think so either. But was it the following year JoJo brought like a Gucci something? Or money? You know what? She brought a suitcase. And in my mind, I'm like, oh my God, JoJo Siwa brought her own suitcase.

So I picked that gift thinking there's a million dollars cash in there. I'm like, so excited. Tell me why there was like a JoJo Siwa bow adult all her merch i'm like i still have it in storage somewhere like this is the worst gift i've ever seen i can't even re-gift that you have it i have it you know it's so iconic one day you know what yeah i should go into my storage yeah jojo's having her moment so that's for sure well it's a moment it's something for sure bless her heart everyone's talking about her i think that's like kind of what trolls like right like i loved it like when i was a troll back and i think that's

like the age you troll and you're excited for any attention and all attention also i feel like she was kind of under a microscope she still is but like she's like a fabricated product so i don't think anybody really knows her real genuine personality so i'm looking forward to like in a year two three maybe she does like a fully like stripped album and like, because she has chops. She can act. Yeah. She can sing. She can dance.

She's a choreographer. She's an actress. I'd like to see like the real, maybe not JoJo. I'd like to see, is that her real name? I don't know. It's long. It's something. It's like Jocelyn something.

Yeah. The pop star Jocelyn. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. I think it'd be like 10 years from now. Maybe when she's like 30elyn. Yeah. Yeah. I think so, too. I think it'd be, like, 10 years from now. Maybe when she's, like, 30 with her children. She wants kids early.

So I think, like, once her kids are, like, four or five, she's going to do, like, a book. She's going to realize things. I think then you see that. Do you know the real her? Like, would you say you know the real? I've only met her once when there was a collab going on in the house and her mom was over. It was very, it was a tight ship. She's very professional, very cordial very kind

on time prompt everything um and she was super sweet but i don't know like i've not like what am i gonna hang out with her like i'm a grown man you know yeah yeah that is the debate it was very it was very in and out and i'm like oh this is like a production this is like a whole character yeah that's why i always wondered i'm like like, I wonder who, like, the real her is. Yeah, but she was always nice. Like, I've never really, never had any issues, really. I agree. Who's the messiest YouTuber? I know you talked about Gabbie Hanna, and, like, we all know, but, like... I really, like,

nothing but love, and I wish her all the best. Yeah, she seems like she's living her best life. Like, she's performing her songs. She found religion. She's living in somewhere that's not here, which some people can't handle yeah you know you have to have like a great home base and if it's not family it's good people around you a lot of people don't have that yeah um who's the messiest i don't know i i really don't

have problems with anyone it's just like either like you or i don't from the moment i meet you like i can sense like if you're like dark you know energy or if you're like fun and kind like I wasn't a YouTuber a lot of people think I was a I've been a YouTuber for 10 years I started YouTube like I really only started breaking ground in YouTube maybe three to four years ago that's wild to me too because I always think of you as a YouTuber because you did the music video yeah but I was I was a producer and I was a writer and I did so much in the space and I was around like the world of it. I knew everyone.

I still do. But I was never a YouTuber. Like I was actually on Vine and Musical.ly and I had a Tumblr back in the day that was pretty big. Oh my gosh. I didn't know. But I went to college. I went to Northeastern University in Boston and I came to LA and worked for HBO, worked

for E! That's, I met Oscar and then started working at E! And we worked together. So you met Oscar before you knew Joey? No, I met Oscar, I kind of like right around the time. Because Joey was close friends with Strawberry, you know Strawberry Girl? Yeah, of course. We talk about her all the time.

Megan Camerino. Love, iconic. She's iconic. Yeah. I really want to do a reaction video to like her vlog. You need to have her on the pod. I would love. I would. They still promote her on like VidCon. I'm like, do a reaction video to her vlog. You need to have her on the pod. I would love. They still promote her on VidCon.

I'm like, okay, just killing it still. That's very crazy to me. YouTube doesn't really update. They're kind of like, we know Jenna Marbles and StrawberriesMT. Yeah. No, and then I met Oscar through her because he was her assistant. And we just hit it off from the moment we met. He was an unpaid intern.

Unpaid intern. Yeah, she had like 10 of them. He should sue. I don't know if she can pay the legal fees at this time, but he should definitely go back to her to make some money. I'm like, you really made those vlogs back then. She had a whole gaggle of unpaid interns. She had so many.

Yeah, I remember when I first started dating Joey, I'm like, who are all these people in this house? Because he lived with Strawberry and her brother and there were a bunch of like minions running around. Literally literally and did you know they had to hide in the closet when guests would come over no i didn't know literally like she's like oh there's youtubers over like and so like i think maybe i don't know who it was maybe even colleen was one of them where like he said they all had to hide and like pretend like they weren't there that tracks that tracks that tracks but oscar i'm like you're a superstar and we hit it off as friends and we

we were friends for such a long time from the beginning i always knew that too when i met him i was i was like we would see him in the strawberry vlogs because we used to like watch them and just be like oh my god these vlogs are so silly um but then i was like oscar kind of eats in these vlogs so and we met at your christmas party in 2017 i know i'm gonna i was gonna say i'm like did i introduce you guys but before the christmas party um he was you for halloween once and he's like really do i know this i don't know if i know i don't know if you know this but he was like he got a he got a big hoodie because you love you love a comfy hoodie yes he got a hoodie and then he was like i need a prop of these um chicken fingers and i'm like oh my god i know the place where she goes because it's right it was in encino like when i lived there yes which

closed they're all closed yeah they're all closed. All the locations. They had the best matzo ball suit ever. Oh yeah. That was our spot. Yeah. So we got that and I think like he may have posted a picture or something. I do remember this story. Yeah. Which is like so crazy.

That's why I was like oh my god. Yeah. We've known him for so long. He's a superstar. But I always thought that about you too. And you were a producer. You were just telling me literally right before this I did not know that you worked with Wendy Williams.

I did. Yeah. So when I went to I went to Northeastern University for broadcast journalism and film with a minor in business. And so we'd go to school for six months and then work for six months. So each year I had to do a new internship. So I'm like, I don't want to work for someone in tech or someone in Boston. Like, I went to New York, I got on the Fung Wah bus, which is a $5 bus from Boston to New York. I waited outside her studio with a cover letter, which it was very well written. I said, I want to be your intern. I want to be the first

from Northeastern because she went to Northeastern University. So that was my tie-in. So I go in. The PA pulls me in. Wendy comes out. No wig.

Just like a wig cap on in a robe. She's like, Daniel, how you doing? Come inside. I got to interview her. She put me on the show. I got an A on my project. You were interview her. She put me on the show.

I got an A on my project. You were on the show? I was on the show. There's clips. We'll pop them in right now. Yes, please. I'm gonna send this. And the pictures and everything.

Daniel in the crowd from Northeastern University. Daniel. Hi, Daniel. How you doing? How is he doing? Daniel, sit down and act right and we'll throw you right out of here. You're making everybody nervous. No, we'll talk during the commercial.

I hope we get an A on our project. So when I got here this morning, I was like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. keep going sit down and act right i will throw you right out of here you make everybody nervous no we'll talk during the commercial i hope we get an egg on our project so when i got here and i said wendy i know this it's i've never really made a video about it's lore i have a lot i've meant this is lore i have lived many different lives so this is um it was just such a pivotal moment for me because i i went for something and that nobody else was doing. Nobody expected that was a possibility. So I said, if I get an A on this, can I be your intern? Can I apply to be

your intern? And I got an A on it. And then I went back and I worked for her and I learned so much. She's so kind behind like this veil of like, you know, you're literally in her chair. We're both super fans of Wendy of course um it was amazing it was and it launched so much for me because at the time I was working in radio at Kiss FM in Boston and I wanted to work in radio I wanted you know I was interviewing people I got to interview Katie Perry at her concert like same thing yeah shout out to Katie 143 yeah um we need to talk about that too yeah oh for sure I know when I saw you get the smoothie I was like oh I thought because I thought about that before we were gonna do the crumble cookies for your

thing i was like we should get the smoothie but you had gotten it like that day i was like oh my god are you on it because capital records reach out to me and they want to work together no way yes look at you yeah this is why i've always gravitated to you i always gravitate towards people who are just those kind of people that are just like go get i'm always like so and i didn't even know this about you but this makes sense like to go to wendy williams at how old are you like 20 no i was 18 18 18 and a half maybe 19 oh my freshman year I was 18 on the set what were you doing literally at 5 a.m waiting outside I was a production assistant so I got to learn the ins and outs of the industry I worked in social media

I was like I had my finger on the pulse and it I just was like wow I'm doing this I didn't think anything of it at the time but like you need to go for those crazy things because you just don't know what's gonna work oh I love that so much especially at 18 too because like it just takes so much like I was deranged I'm like oh no I'm I'm literally on the show I'm I'm a co-host wow yeah like you actually were on the show you have to believe it because I wasn't always that person you know you just have to like believe and trust that the universe is going to bring things to you why do do FinTechs like Float choose Visa? As a more trusted, more secure payments network, Visa provides scale expertise and innovative payment solutions.

Learn more at Visa.ca slash FinTech. If you put it out there. Oh my God. And when's the last time you worked on the show? Was it like a year you were there? No, I was there on and off because I did this I did school for six months and then worked so on and off for two years and then I worked uh for Conde Nast and I went and sort of like the publishing route and then after school I moved to LA to work um for HBO oh my god and then so when do you know you're here at HBO

when do you become like you said three to four years ago you became an influencer yeah are you when do you like stop working like the mainstream media and then focus on, I guess, like Joey's career? Well, so I've always, I wouldn't say influencer because at the time, like influencer wasn't a thing. Right, yeah. It was just like me online. Like, you know, like I kind of got, I had like a little bit of a following. Yeah. Like maybe like 20,000 followers.

But on Instagram at the time that was a lot. And I was getting like brand deals and whatever. But I was working corporate. And then I got into a relationship. And we started we went right into it we went right into escape the night season one and that's when we started really working together he started pulling me into videos and I was like a talent with him and then I produced the majority of his videos for many years like a camera in my face every single day it was like something I could not get used to really because I like to like I like private things you know like I want to have time with your partner and

it was just like kind of stressful you know oh man I feel like that'd be like a dream to be like I'm on camera every day but to me like my my education is this like a set I'm really good as like a produced person so I it took me out of it I'm like okay I have to produce myself I have to like always be on and I didn't really know what to share it I'm like okay I have to produce myself I have to like always be on and I didn't really know what to share and I was like very nervous in the beginning and then like our relationship blossomed and so did our connection and the videos and like we amassed this like following together as well like we were an it couple for the queer YouTube community oh my god it was everywhere and everything it was so much love in that relationship and I like look

back on it I have the best memories we had the best times we traveled the world we did book tours together um the show was such a pivotal moment in my life and we had a great time like it was awesome we built a house together and your houses were always so gorgeous i was one of that i'm like post breakup i'm like what if he can still like slay a design oh yeah i mean i designed i designed my house here in the hills and um i also live part-time in montana i moved there after my breakup during covid and i like a little cabin in the woods it's cute that's actually everything but do you think joey can keep up his interior without instead i was there i was there last week dropping off the dog because i actually leave to italy tonight oh my god that's so and i i was like girl what's going on in here?

But also, that's not my place anymore. So if you want to make it cozy for him, I mean, I'll send a candle like for a birthday or something. But like, no, he has great taste. So he can do it. He's a big boy, you know? Yeah, but he can hire me too. Because like, I have clients on the side. Are you doing that? I do it for like, celebrity clients, like on the side just for fun, because I was doing content during COVID. And I was like, I love home and I love design. And I'm like, I grew up poor. So I'm like, my mom knows.

She taught me how to like push a dollar. Yeah. Paint, throw pillows, flowers, that whole thing, curtains. You're so good at it. It was fun. And I love like making a home beautiful because I didn't really have a stable one growing up, you know? Yeah.

And it's always cozy. Like everything. Because I had talked to you and Moses. We, like, run out of time around Christmas time. And I was like, I remember asking her last year. I'm like, do you think Danny would come, like, do? Because you did, like, a tinsel tree. Yeah.

And I'm like, this is iconic. I love it so much. I would have to be here. You'd be sleeping. I'd be working on the tinsel tree overnight. That took me seven hours to do that. But it went viral. Would you take me on as a client?

Absolutely. Because that'd be so fun. Because we always want to do, like, an epic Christmas card and stuff. And we just get, like, so busy. If you want to do, like an epic Christmas card and stuff. And we just get like so busy. If you want to do like an epic huge Christmas tree, I'm always down. Okay, let's do it for sure. But yeah, you were saying too, because also Daniel brought like this like amazing spread. Not only did you bring crumble for our TikTok after, but then you brought these donuts.

What were they called? They were called? They're called Kettle Glaze. They're in the hills. They're the most iconic small business. Fresh. I was there at seven in the morning right when they opened up. And I'm like, give me the best

that Trisha will love. Oh my god, that was so, and then you had like, it literally felt like I was a guest on Wendy Williams. Like there's a gift basket of like candles and like lavender from your garden.

And I was just like, it was, and you said, you're like, you know, I just, I'm like everything you have is like so homey, so cozy. And you're like, it's because I grew up, which I think a lot of people like don't know either, is like your upbringing,

like just not. Well, my, we came here from Romania. My family's from Romania, and I'm also Italian. And we didn't have anything growing up. We were new to America, and I was the one who had to learn how everything worked. In a home, and my mom was working. She was a nurse. She worked overnight.

And I just wanted to make the house home, and that's what I did. At an early age. Yeah, at an early age. Amazing. Because we didn't really have a lot. So, yeah. Where do you think you get your like drive from? Like going to Wendy Williams at 18 or like anything that you do?

Delusion. I love that. Just full delusion. Because like there's like at the time I was like nobody's doing this. I want to do something fun. Yeah. Like let me go to New York. Being in New York at a young age, you've been there.

It's fabulous. It's like the most incredible city. But scary at 18. Terrifying. Yeah. Terrifying. But I was like I was in the club till 2 a.m making out with adam lambert we have such an adam lambert connection everyone that comes through here has an adam lambert connection i'm obsessed with adam lambert but everyone just casually knows it i think at the time i made out with him fully there's a picture actually we used the picture for hot topics because they needed no picture you know when she did the fan out segments when fans would send in pictures?

She's like, you guys, we need another picture because we only have three. And I'm like, here, take this. It's from last year. Oh my God. What did she say about it? I was like, yeah, we met. We hung out. We danced.

We made out. And then that was it. He was so sweet. Oh my. Have you kept in touch with him at all? Because he's like. I haven't heard from him since. He's in the circle though.

Like everyone out there knows him. No, I didn't have a number. I didn't have anything. I was literally brand new to the city. And it was probably one of the first boys I've ever made out with. And I'm like, good for the book one day. Oh, my. Yes.

And you're doing a book, but you're not doing a memoir yet. No, I haven't lived enough to do a memoir. Oh. I feel like you could. Well, Joey had a, no, Joey didn't do a memoir. He was the only one that didn't do a memoir. No, he did do a memoir. Did he?

He did do a memoir. What was his song? But also, he has, like, he has lore to him. Like, he has, like, he comes from a troubled home and he's overcame so much and he's worked so hard. I feel like he never gets like deep into his lore. Like, you know what I mean? Like no one ever.

I think he's, um, he lives in like a fantasy world. Like he loves to create the worlds. And like, I think that's his like barrier. I think he's more interested in that than talking about his own. Which is so crazy because you could help like so many people talking about your own. But I get it if it's like traumatizing. But he has about like his mom who has been through her issues with addiction and my father was an addict as well so I think it is important because I love sharing that story because there's so many and remember

like when we were kids there weren't a lot of people like us and we couldn't relate to a lot of people so I would love to share my story one day but this is totally different are you 30 now are you 31 oh you are is Joey 30 in his 30s he's 32 that's wild to me because I always think of you guys as like so young even though I'm like only five years young older I just always remember you guys like I'm feeling so young you know what I mean that's like why no it's so weird when like the five years like is so big when you're younger and then when you catch up you're like oh yeah oh my god wait so you are kind of a hot topic. You've been a hot topic this summer.

What do you think now when people talk about you? Because you're out there, but you're not out there. You're not involved in the drama. But then when you become a hot topic, are you nervous? Are you like, my God, or are you living for it? A little bit, but it's nothing serious. With everything going on in the world, I'm like, me calling somebody boring is silly, and let the gays battle for it was 20 seconds.

Were you not entertained? I loved it. Exactly. He actually he came for me, too. I think on like 2021, I was like, where's Connor Franton? Then he's like, I'm right here. Like, relax. Like he kind of like.

I mean, listen, he got a hit TikTok. He you know, the sky is blue. I will always stand by everything I said. And he got me. I got him. Poof. I DM'd him. It was over in 24 hours. It's not serious. I feel like stand by everything I said. And he got me. I got him. Poof. I DM'd him. It was over in 24 hours.

It's not serious. I feel like boring is not really a bad thing. I call myself boring. I call my best friends boring. I do too. I live a boring life. And I said like boring. People always come to me because I'm like, oh, I think boring.

What is it? It's not boring that I'm saying. It's like, what is it meant to be? Drama free. Drama free. Right. But I think like boring is not bad. To me, I call my life boring.

But I like love it. I don't think it's bad. Is that what happened then? You're just like, keep i call my life boring but i like love it i don't think it's bad is that what happened then you're just like honestly and also that was the past i don't know who he is i've we've never like really hung out it was just like it was a passing kind of comment and it was also like from a place in the past from insecurity you know i was in a new relationship i didn't know any of these youtuber people and i was like oh like are you guys friends or more like you know know, it was silly. We were kids, and it's not that easy.

Especially that era. There was such, like, a rise of, like, really hot gay boys in YouTube. Oh, and they're all around the house. I'm like, okay, you out, you out. Wait, really? No, no, I'm in my mind. But would you feel, you felt, like, insecure? Yeah, anyone would feel insecure.

It's a new relationship. And also, you know, I was around somebody who's a superstar. Yeah. And I didn't really know how to, like, handle it. Like, especially because you know a lot of YouTubers when they come over to collab, like, they're not friendly. They're not real. They're there for business.

Like, a few of them are like, you kiki and everything. But like, I wasn't a YouTuber, so there was nothing to gain from me. I was just like this random dude in the house that like, but for me, when I enter a house, like, hi, how are you? Give me a hug. Like, nice to meet you, where are you from? What do you do? Like tell me about yourself. But I don't think a lot of people have those social skills when they've-

For sure. Achieved success at a young age. Especially like influencers, I feel. So like you said, they're gonna don't know like the proper like protocol and like how to be just- Right, yeah, and you just treat people how you wanna be treated, right? But you, yeah, that's true. I also feel like because you work so many mainstream jobs,

like a lot of influencers don't do that. They just go straight to like YouTube. Absolutely. You know? And I was a PA for HBO. I worked on set for like 16 hours. I worked for talk shows. And I loved it.

It's such a group effort, but you learn how to treat people. That's why working with a crew, so important. I will say hi. I want to know what's going on. Are you okay? Are you fed? Do you have water? Like, is the temperature the temperature good yeah i think that's maybe why your escape the night drama like you guys have had like i think maybe comes into play because a

lot of people just don't know how to be on a set because that was pretty produced right you guys had budget you were it was a six or seven million dollar show we had a crew of over 150 for one season uh i think for the later seasons the earlier ones we had a smaller budget maybe it was a little less than maybe it was like four but either way yeah this is a mainstream production company this is not like youtube has nothing to do with it all they have to do is sign the check we have the production company then joey has his production company we hired out and then we did direct offers to talent But I also didn't have a budget to have my own assistant. So I was running.

And I love to work. Like I will do anything. If the floor needs to be mopped, I'll do it. If I need to be on set, I'll do it. Just because like I like to like help when I can, you know? But you need. You can't be in like so many places at one time. No.

And I needed an assistant. And I didn't. And I think that's where a lot of the issues came from. So I was dealing with talent while also being a talent. being a producer yeah that was a lot oh yeah you definitely should have to deal with like tantrums yourself or anything I mean I've dealt with everybody and I handled it and I squashed it but there's just the one issue that really like I even had issues with Tana when she was on season two yeah she was a nightmare well she was really young too right she was and guess what like when she came back season four, I'm like, girl, you

are amazing. On time, professional, great attitude. She was a kid. She was new to fame. And then she was around all these high school bullies. You know? Right, right, right. It was a lot. It was probably a lot for her too, but she's a good I always knew she was a sweetheart and a good person. I've always said that about Tana. Like literally, like as long

as I've known her too, always just been like a good person. She also comes from like a background obviously. And I think. Like, literally, like, as long as I've known her, too, always just been, like, a good person. Yeah. Because she also comes from, like, a background, obviously. Yeah. And I think those people, like you said, they, like, yearn for community and, like, that kind of thing. Yeah. And I think she's always been. And she's always been so nice.

Like, that is one person that's been consistently nice. So nice. And always, like, will talk to anyone. Is, like, she loves to laugh. She loves to have a good time. Mm-hmm. She's a good time girl. I was thinking about Joey, too.

I always said, I remember, like, it was, like, four years ago. And I remember saying, I was in a video with Colleen, and I was like, you and Joey are said I remember like it was like four years ago and I remember saying I was in a video with Colleen and I was like you and Joey are like the only unproblematic ones of YouTube like it's crazy

and I was like literally a year later not even a year later and I was just like whoa Joey's the biggest sweetheart I've ever met and he's the best

he seems like it I mean I don't I've never gotten to know him like personally like he doesn't get deep but maybe that's good I think he can but like what you see is what you get with him and some people that's okay yeah some

people are deeper than others it is yeah no escape the night was wild is it true that youtube said no to me so yeah they said no to you four times uh but guess what joey and myself and adam the show runner always rode for you hard because just like t Tana, I've known you're a sweetheart. I know you have a great heart throughout literally everything. And I've always been on the sidelines cheering you on. And we rode for you every single season. Isn't that crazy? Because I just feel like Shane was way more problematic than me and he's on the show.

Like, I just feel like there was way more problematic people. It's a weird dynamic also, I think, with women and YouTube. Like, there aren't a lot of, like, heavy hitters, heavy hitting females that are, like, have their own shows. Like, of course, there's, like, the Liza Koshy and whatnot. Right, yeah. But it's mostly a male dominated app. I mean, you know. Yeah. It's, like, very apparent now, we see with, like, Mr. Beast and Royce Gray.

Like, it's very, like, and it always has been. It always has been. And it's, like, interesting. But you've always been a part of it. And I know if there's anything in the future Joey would love to have you I'm no longer working on that I pulled out really yeah just because I have my own stuff going on it was a great chapter and it's all great in his hands like his mind is so he's so creative like so whatever he does next is gonna be great but are you gonna do you ever go back to tv at all or Or like mainstream production?

TV, but as a talent. So I have a couple upcoming things, which are really cool. On TV? Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so excited. I was up for a show with Paramount that got pulled. It was called Finding Prince Charming.

What is it? It was a show on Logo 10 years ago. And then Paramount was going to reboot it. Yes. But you know that show Best Friends of WeHo? Yeah. It did so poorly and got canceled, which is sad, but I think they needed the right dynamic. It wasn't it?

No, it was not a real friend group. You need a real queer friend group for it to be inclusive. And drag queens, you need everybody. You need every color under the sun. Make it feel like a community. But no, yeah, it was a show called finding prince charming um and they i'm like oh i don't really want to be a talent on a show like i'm not looking for love in reality it was like the reality bachelor reality yeah but they're like no we want you to be the prince and i'm like am i relevant enough to be the prince i don't like i've never considered myself sure well i always do my thing

i don't care about relevancy what i care about about is bookability, working, and the bag. Like, I'm a good person. I don't need to. Because when you're at the tippity-top. Oh, no. Girl, where are you going? Everybody. Yeah, everyone's just trying to pull you down.

I would rather go. I'd rather go like this and build something, like, lifelong. Just kind of stay under the radar. Middle radar, you know? Yeah. I agree. Well, yes. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. So that just didn't happen after that show? It's still kind of in the works, but it's not really where I'm at right now. And then I'm just, like, focusing on my own stuff right now. Would you ever do, like, acting? Yeah. I mean, I thought I was going to do that when I came to LA. Like, I went to Stella Adler.

Like, I auditioned for so many CW projects. And I was very, very close to a massive show. And then I saw. Can you say which one or no? I don't want to. Okay. I want to stay in good graces with them. Can you bleep it? What was it? Yeah. Bleep it. one or no? I don't want to. Okay. I want to stay in good graces with them.

Can you bleep it? What was it? Yeah. Bleep it because I just, I can't. Yeah, yeah, I'll bleep it. I'll bleep it. Wait, why? You think they'll like-

No, I want to work. I don't want them to like think. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll kill you. Who was it? Do you watch TikTok? Are you a TikToker?

Yeah. I mean, I have a TikTok series. Yeah. Right. That's right. I didn't know if you like scroll. You know some people- scroll i i do them because you don't really do trends you really do i guess you do you do like tasting airwaves occasionally but like i made i kind of carve my own lane and like i like that just have you just like you yeah you do your own thing and like i'll participate in a trend but i feel like to really like concrete and put your name in cement like you need to like have your own original content right but you don't get like

involved in the tiktok drama you know no i i see it oh i see it but you don't comment i love it you don't comment you said comment on everything and i feel like well everything changed when i deleted twitter and i deleted at the right time because it was it was when elon took over and it was becoming super homophobic oh it was like uh like the comments were i think they may be pushed to a different audience now i'm not sure yeah i think gay twitter is like popping right now well x is just like a dark place and it's like it's worse than what twitter used to be in my opinion so i just like i'm like i don't need this other app like i don't even care i deleted it i think i had like half a million followers or something i'm like i don't care oh my god you just why didn't you i'm not making money from it i was gonna now

i regret like just not deactivating it but like i'm like i don't make money on here i don't care you can monetize it now. I know. And then get ads and all that stuff like that. I see Rosanna always have an ad on hers. Honey, she's working. She's working. I know Twitter.

She's making the bag for sure. Escape the Night, I always had a little chip on my shoulder because I was like, wow, I'm actually friends with these people and have more followers than most of these people. And I always felt a little slighted. But if I got on Traders, an Emmy award winning show, done. Sorry, Escape the Night. It's going to happen. It'll be shooting the same time as Escape the Night movie. I'll be like, sorry, Traders asked me. I'm busy right now, an Emmy award-winning show, done. Sorry, Escape the Night. It's going to happen. It'll be shooting the same time as Escape the Night movie.

I'll be like, sorry, Traders asked me. I'm busy right now. My Emmy award-winning season, yeah. No, it's going to happen. And if I had anything to do with YouTube, you would have been on season one. Oh my gosh, thank you. Was it season one? Because I remember season one, Shane was on.

And I was just like, oh, wow, that's crazy. Or Drew Monson, too. He never, I remember he said he never was asked. And I was like, how? You know, that's one thing that they were very particular about. We gave a list of names always and who we want. Of course, we want our friends to be on the show. They were sticklers.

It had to go through like a board of like 20 or 30 people of approvals. It was crazy. But like, I just don't get the logic because Drew was so popular at the time too. And I remember all the people on. I don't think there was logic. And also, they were sticklers with numbers. Like, I wanted to be on so badly as a guest. Oh, were you never on?

No, I was never on. I always had like a, so I'm like, I love Alfred Hitchcock. And I always wanted like a Hitchcockian role where like he's in a lot of his films, like in the back of the bus. So I have bit parts in every single season. Oh, so you are on it. That you don't know, but you don't know it's me. I'm in full, like one year I'm a caveman.

One year I was a, I was in full drag. Like, you don't know it's me. It's just like, like, one year I'm a caveman. One year I was in full drag. Like, you don't know it's me. It's just, like, I'm just there and, like, acting and, like, being a character. And why wouldn't they let you be, like, a guest on it? Because they're like, you don't have numbers and you're not relevant. I'm like, period. Wait. Yeah, you needed to have at least a million subscribers on YouTube.

I remember season three when Nikita was, we pushed for Nikita to be on. And I didn't know why they didn't want her on because she was popping. And she still is. They're like, she doesn't have a million subscribers I'm like you guys are we need entertainers that's crazy you can have 10 million yes followers and subscribers but honey the well is dried you're not working you don't have a personality yeah guess what some people may have a personality on YouTube and when they're vlogging but when they're on a set they don't know how to work they don't know how to act they don't know how to treat people so i think you're the full package and you've come into your own and it's gonna happen yeah i feel like escape the night definitely had like just so many flops

because i was like okay they're good on their own but yeah first kill but um right but then you show them the show and you're kind of like they're not yeah because they're not actors and you have to have a imagination and talent in an acting capacity yeah it was very interesting but But it is true because my main channel has 5 million subscribers and averages about 30,000 views a video. This one doesn't even have a million. We have 600,000 subscribers, but averages half a million a video. So it really doesn't make sense when people say that. No, numbers, followers don't matter anymore.

It's who you are and what you bring. Are you talking to Nikita now? I haven't talked to her in a minute. I know she's kind of doing her thing. She kind of stepped out of the light but I think she's coming back. Oh. Her and Joey were just at something like he was. I did see that yeah. Where was that like in front of her billboard or

something? I think she had a not a premiere. She had an opening for something that she's maybe the face of but I was in Montana and I know I couldn't make it. Would you have gone? Yeah of course. I love her. I've never met her. I would like to meet her. She's sweet but also I know the Nikita in sweatpants. No wig, like no makeup. Really?

Like we're just getting takeout, playing video games, hanging out. Oh my God, that's cute. And she's a sweetheart. But she's a demon when she's in, no, was, not anymore. Oh, right, right, right. But like we traveled to Japan. Oh my gosh. I was there with her for two weeks.

She came with Joey and I. It was a nightmare. Every single thing was a production. I had to take all her pictures. She never took a picture of me. But I got her together. Wait, really? Oh, yeah.

At the end of the trip, I'm like, girl, offer to take a picture of me because I look gorgeous. Oh, my God. And, you know, she did the wigs, the makeup, the dress. It was just a lot. What year is this? I think it was 2018. I think it was the year of everything.

Like, we were literally at a temple in the Japanese mountains. She was in a completely different att japanese mountains she was in a completely uh different attire it was like a buddhist monk colors like orange and brown hoops like hoops around her neck she went to a temple that's like thousands of years old and took the thing and banged a gong oh my gosh oh she brought did she bring the gong or was there the gong was there the gong was met but like only monks do that who have lived there for thousands of years i wouldn't have all the monks came running out they were like like of course they chased her out but they should have a sign that says do not bong i mean i mean i i think it's just common courtesy to not bang like a thousand

year old really i feel like that's like calling your name it was like in the garden of the temple it wasn't like at the road like like here, like passersby. And how did you guys get back there? Was it for tours? We were staying next door. So we were taking a walk through these like ancient gardens with all these graves where all the, it's beautiful. There's fog on the ground. It's like, it's fantastic.

But I'm like, this is crazy. But that was a crazy time. Yeah. And I don't think, you know, she's always been a sweetheart. So I think she'll come back and I think she's figured herself out. Yeah, it seems like it. I think she had. I know.

I would be, her book would be so interesting, right? Because of all the spots. She was up and then down and then this. And we saw it so publicly, like the meltdowns and all that stuff like that. And it is sad. I think it's so sad. I always say this because obviously I've had meltdowns too. And it's like to see that is like always a little sad.

Like Gabby. Of course. Even after. I mean, look, you can always, like someone could be like this bad person, right? Or like, you know, or even just doing bad decisions but at the same time to see a public someone melt like spiraling in public is like really sad it's it's scary to see because like you really can't do anything about if you're not in like in the inner circle or a parent well that's why i was wondering with like nikita like do you reach out to her and you're like i've always

yeah no i've always reached out we're just like life you know um i've always reached out i mean years ago i gave her my recommendation. I had an amazing therapist at the time and she was asking me about mental health and medication because there was a time in my life where I needed that. And then, you know, some people it's forever, some people it's not. For me, I was able to wean off of it.

Yeah. And I think that really helped. So I've always like rooted for her and always like been a solid friend, even behind the scenes. But you just couldn't at that time no it was just like I stepped away from a lot of people in my life you know it just like especially after my breakup I was just like okay I need to take a beat and I need to say I need to see who's here for me and who's like loving me unconditionally and being an unconditional friend not just because of

the relationship I'm in or you know if I can get you on a show or something like that but do you think people maybe felt like they had to pick a side? If you know Joey first? No, it was never like that. Really? Because I was the glue that kept everything together. Really? In all those friendships.

Because, like, I'm the one who has the dinners, the holiday parties. Like, that's my love language, you know? And there was so much love there. Like, I spent so much time loving somebody. Why would we end this in hate? Right. So I guess when that happened. I don't know.

Because I think on the outside, you know, people wouldn't know. Like, people wouldn't know like i want to know you guys were as close as you were until this year when you did that little like spill your guts and i was like oh they still like talk yeah and that's like a cute little private moment that we have which is nice yeah that's cute i love that yeah um what other show like dancing with the stars that's coming back would you be on that one oh i love dancing wait have you been on dancing with the stars no i guess i'm getting the boot from everything i feel like honestly when i heard the escape the night lore of youtube saying no i have a feeling no pitch me but they're like i mean harry jonesy was on so the thing is your power is stronger than youtube and networks see that now but five ten years ago they didn't see that

they didn't take any i remember when i was at nbc they didn't take any of my ideas seriously because it's like these old straight executives that are like, what's Snapchat? Oh my God. Like, what's YouTube? Like, what? That's so true. Can I tell you now? I really do feel like, and not just me, but like a lot of people may be like ahead of

my time, right? Because it's like now all the people that are 10 years younger than me are coming into these positions of power and they like get it. They're like, Trisha, you know? But I think when I was in my 20s, like you said, it was all these old white straight men that like didn't get it. And they're like, oh, she's like a little chubby or she's like not cute or what she's youtube she eats what is that but i think now is like this whole different time where people so hopefully

they see it but anna delvia dancing with the stars i love oh you love no no i don't know anything about her like i know the the the documentary and everything i don't love her i don't know her like that but like i love the vision the marketing of this girl with an ankle monitoring bracelet because it gives me like very Lindsay Lohan like early 2000s. Yeah. And I'm like that's kind of fierce because they would never do that. Yeah.

It is kind of wild that they like market it that way because I also think they're like it's like Disney. They're trying to be like family friendly. Yeah. But then it's like oh let's have. But they're also they're playing on it. They know what is going to get bites on social media. But have you seen her clips or interviews or anything of her talking?

I've seen a couple of them, yeah. Like her with her partner Ezra, who's his first season as a pro. And she's basically just like, they're like, why are you here? And she's like, I don't know. I was like, talked into it. She was like, maybe I'll quit. Like, she's like, just so doesn't want to be there. Oh, I hate that.

And that's what I'm saying. That's what I kind of hate. And her partner's like, well, you better show up to rehearsal. Because she's like, I was talked into being here. Girl, please, you're still broke. You're still broke. And this is your first paying job. Like, get it together. I wonder. I wonder how into being here. Girl, please. You're still broke. You're still broke. And this is your first paying job. Like, get it together.

I wonder. I wonder how much they pay. I heard $150,000 at one point for, like, the full season. I could see that. I could see that. But also, like, you're on a set. That's an amazing opportunity. You better be respectful and thankful that you're there. No, she's, like, over it.

Like, I don't know if it's, like, her character or her chick she's playing into. She'll be out then. She'll be out. You think? But people. 100%. That's the only one people are talking about. Do you know anyone else on this new season?

No. I'm trying to think. No. Because I know it's Anna Delvey. 100%. That's the only one people are talking about. Do you know anyone else on this new season? No. I'm trying to think. No. Because I know it's Anna Delvey. Oh, I guess the two. Like a Bachelor and a Bachelorette is on. Once I saw Jamie Lynn Spears on it, I'm like, girl. Oh, gosh.

What's going on? She was on Special Forces. She's been making the rounds. I don't know if she's like a cheaper option, if they're not paying her as much. But I'm like, it's not entertaining. It's not good. And also, Team Britney forever. Team Britney forever. Did you see Jamie Lynn? I think it was like on I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. It's not good. And also, Team Britney forever. Team Britney forever.

Did you see Jamie Lynn? I think it was like on I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. It was like the Jungle one she was on. Was she crying? Yeah. Was it that? Yeah. And she was talking about Britney.

But she was basically saying, I'm- Always has Britney in her mouth. Always. Always. Even though her intro was like, I'm a singer and an actress. I was like, okay, no, you're literally Britney Spears. Yeah. But that Sam Asghari, too, his little caption, you know, of what they do, it says, it says

actor. I was like, really? He was trying, the thing is, I saw what he was doing with his team, but when he was in the relationship, he was going to acting classes. I remember I bumped into, you know who I bumped into in an acting class?

Him and also Mariah Carey's ex at an acting class years ago. Brian, the dancer? Brian Tanaka, sweetheart. Oh, I thought they were still together. I'm like, no, they're not together. I'm like, why are you in the back of the class? Aren't you with Mariah Carey? I'm like, you, they're not together. I'm like, why are you in the back of the class? Aren't you with Mariah Carey? I'm like, you guys are trying to be actors.

So like if the relationship ends, you can move in. Maybe it's their passion. Who knows? But I'm like, no. That's so sad, though. Team Britney always. I know. Death to all of them.

She was so on for that one, too. I know. I know. I feel Britney's supposed to be making a comeback. She's supposed to be in the new Josephine Metenacolor-tenor color dream coat musical as the narrator and it's with john chu and supposedly she like tweeted that she was going to be in it she's they're making a movie she tweets so much like that never happens though but i feel like she will i feel like she will make a comeback and i think like in movie form would be a good one because she is a good singer yeah

and she as long as the check is correct i feel feel like she would do it on her own terms and what she wants to. I think so. Britney's my number one. Me too. I love Britney, Mariah. I love pop that makes me happy. You don't have to think too much about it, but there are deep lyrics in some of the tracks, but she's my number one.

First concert I ever went to. So good. Which one? Which tour? It was her first tour. I was seven years old. Like her mall tour? It was a baby one more time tour. Which one? Which tour? It was her first tour. I was seven years old. Like her mall tour? It was a baby one more time tour. No, not the mall tour.

Oh, okay. Her first big tour. I was seven. Is she opening or is she headlining this tour? She was opening her tour. Was it for NSYNC? No, it was the baby one more time tour.

Oh, it's her headlining tour. Yeah, it's her tour. Okay, okay. Because I saw her I think when she opened for NSYNC but I forgot what tour it was. Okay, I went to that. I went to Circus.

I went to Femme Fatale. I went to- Do you go to Onyx Hotel? No. That was a good one. Because I think it got canceled in Miami like after they were supposed to come to Boston or something. I'm not sure.

I see. But then I got to meet her in Vegas. God. Regrets. But like. Wait, why? Because it was like, you know, it was the conservatorship, but I didn't know. Yeah.

Same. Same. However, when I got to meet her for for peace of me and it was in the beginning when she had like the mermaid hair it was so fun her team invited um us out to go to the show and visit it was the best night of my life and i got to say like you're the first you know i met you when i was seven years old and this is such a moment and like how was she sweet but it was just like it's quick meet and greets like that's type R I didn't get I didn't get one word from her but I was fine I like you said hindsight knowing and I knew it even at the

time like I knew there was just like a lot going on and a lot happening even though you didn't really know and then like hearing about all the stuff after like what she was going through at that time because we went me and Gigi went like 2012 or something to piece of me and they like rushed through rushed through and yeah I think at first you're like disappointing like oh I thought we'd be best friends but that's like the parasocial in me, right? That thinks and then you're like, okay, I kind of understand. She was going through so much.

So when she was dating, I think Charlie, I think she was dating. I loved them together. Yeah, they were kind of cute. The jean jacket. Yeah, I love that joke. I loved him too.

I know she likes to be in love so I do hope she finds. I kind of thought Sam was Engel with her. Like I kind of thought that for a minute because they were going to have a baby.

Like I really thought it was going to be the real deal. I don't know if I saw it i'm like not that he's too fine because i think he's a handsome guy but i'm like there's something not correct you know i don't know if it's the age or just like maybe that he wasn't established or something i think she needs like somebody who's established knows who they are maybe a little a couple years older who like doesn't like the limelight maybe. Well, that's kind of what we were talking about before too,

how it's like sometimes when you have two people who wanna be a star, right? Like Sam wasn't a star, but maybe he wanted to be and thought Britney was his ticket there. And then when people were kinda not really paying attention to him, probably he thought they would, he was like, I don't know. Yeah, I agree with you. Someone who doesn't care about being a star, someone that could just support her, help her.

Yeah. Kinda like in The Bodyguard, like how Kevin Costner was to Whitney Houston. Yes, yes. And kind of like when Mariah dated that billionaire from Australia who was hideous. Yeah. Oops. But you know what I mean. But that's what she needs.

That's what she needs. Like you live in Australia for a month, come to LA for a month. Like let me do my thing. But she needs, it's the people around you and I just hate that. She doesn't have good, solid people. I know, I always do. Again, Paris will show me, but whenever I see her, she lives in our area and every time we see her i always want to like just like say hi i'm big i wouldn't be but i never take pictures of her i'm always never you know what i mean like

and you want you so bad because i was gonna show most i want to show somebody like oh my god i saw but it's like just the memory just seeing her and i'm just like it's almost like more it's you keep it close to your heart when you see somebody in person you're like hi i'm like i really adore you and you know i appreciate all you've done, whatever. Yeah. Like, I'll say a word sometimes, but like not anymore. I saw RuPaul once when I like was first moving to LA. I was at, I was getting a smoothie and I just like was 10 feet away.

And it just like took in the moment. I'm like, this is so cool. Really? Did you say hi to him? No, I didn't. Because I'm like, I don't need to. I'm like, I'll see you one day. And I was at like the Drag Race showing and I saw him years later and interviewed and

stuff like that. I wonder what he would be like in person. He's very. I standoffish probably, right? I think he's, well, he's also much, he's like four inches taller than me. Really? So he's very, very tall. I went to his book tour because my friend was producing the book tour and I drove up

to Santa Barbara. It was a very intimate audience. He's so effervescent and charming and kind. Like, it wasn't a meet and greet or anything, but he was, like, speaking. You know when you speak to somebody and they're, like, you feel that you're talking to your heart. Like, it was just so, like, so wise. And, yeah. I don't think I'd ever want to, like, work together or meet.

Like, not that I would. But, you know, like, who knows. You wouldn't work together with him. No, like, I, it's just, like, a relationship that I'm, like, I love that in my head. I love that in my head i love his books yeah and um you like the recent one the latest one yeah i do love it i mean there's controversy but there was a little bit yeah there was there wasn't a ton really about like hot topics though so it was more about his personal life and upbringing was there something political in there or something that people were upset with there was something that people were mad about i don't know i'm not sure i don't know it's past

probably yeah people get over it just like britney's book i did i read it you know what's crazy i was in italy when it dropped and i couldn't get the pre-order from amazon like shipped to me so i bought it in italian and i'm there like reading it and i can speak okay italian but i was like i need the u.s version so i like got i got audible i mean i finished it in a night and i listened to it as well because I wanted to hear. Michelle Williams narration. Yes. I wish she would have read it.

Yo, what's up, what's up? So corny and cringy. It was, it was. JT, not Michelle. No, I know. I like her interpretation of it, though. Yeah. JT's canceled now.

Like, actually. The thing is, I knew everything in the book for the most. Did you? I knew 90%. Did you know this about her and Justin's baby? I heard r i heard rumblings i mean there are some like intimate things i know but like the more like standard facts obviously we all know who would you pick for britney in the movie oh my gosh uh she's gosh i don't know her name she i think she's like 16 now she's a child actress who's like not up and coming she's she's still on disney i'm so sorry

i don't know her name but she looks identical to her yeah i don't know if i know this person yeah she has brown eyes she can sing really really really well um we'll try to pop in a picture in the name okay yeah let me know but she's perfect because i don't think she needs somebody young to play her but who through makeup can look older as well don't you think i think i still think asin ray i could see that. I could see that. Right? I could see that. She's like young enough and she's pop star vibe.

Yeah. And she loves her. She loves her. They're both from Louisiana. Yeah. She has the moves. She has, I'm like so gung ho

for Addison Rae to be here because also she's, it's like known but not like established, right? You can have like a Sabrina Carpenter play her because then you just see like Sabrina Carpenter.

Yeah. I love her. She's too established. Right. That's what I'm saying. And not that Addison's not but I feel like she could also be taken so seriously it's like JLo when she got to play Selena you know it's like wow that like so I really I really feel for her yeah part of me wants like maybe not an unknown but like not such big of a name so that's why I was thinking of that girl but she's like a really great actress too I remember

her she played like oh you know what she was, God, she plays a younger version in Chilling Tales of Sabrina, the main actress, the blonde. Chilling Tales of Sabrina, like Sabrina the Teenage Witch? No, the reboot. We're speaking different languages now. We're in different decades. Wait, what's the reboot? The reboot is Chilling Tales of Sabrina.

Oh, Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Yes. Same character. Same character, but like, obviously different actress. Oh yeah it's a cw show yeah yeah it's the same world which is and everything but it's more like it's a bit darker and not like a comedy oh okay i lived for sabrina the teenage yeah i need to find her name she's so good okay yeah we'll have to insert a picture because i'm really like big on this casting i'm like who would play justin who plays, I'm really trying to figure all out in my head. But, or like, who would play like, well, like Jamie Spears, like, or, you know, or Jamie

Lynn. I want Jamie Lynn to play Jamie Lynn, honestly. Just be a mess. Oh my God, curse the movie, though. I would feel like it would. I know. Girl, give it up. I don't know who would play her.

Yeah. But I love Sabrina. And you know, Britney was on Sabrina. We were talking about cameos, the Britney ones. Yeah, yeah. Everyone knows I'm obsessed with. Thanks to this podcast, people got me on Jane the Virgin because Justin Baldoni was in that like hot topic controversy.

And everyone's like, you should watch Jane the Virgin. So I started watching Jane the Virgin. And like yesterday I got to the episode with Brittany Spears. And I was like, God, she really is iconic and everything. The way she like just comes onto the screen with like her dancers. I know. And she's like, I'm stronger than yesterday. You know she was wearing like a Forever 21 like little top and shorts.

Yeah, she had like a teal like top and outfit for her teal extensions. I know. It was a lot. No, but she crushes. Even in Sabrina, I remember she pops in and she's like doing a tour

and I was just like, I just love her. I think she has just that natural like almost like comedic timing and like when she's on camera you like can't help but like fall in love with her.

That's why I feel like a movie like not her movie but I feel like like Joseph or something like that would make it like such a big comeback for her. I think she'd be so good in it. And I refer her all the way. I think it'd be good.

Yeah. We want the best for her. Or Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. I don't know. I really. Too good. Too good.

Maybe as a judge. No, I don't think she ever wants to do that again. Oh, I guess she, yeah. She was, what was it? X Factor she was on. Do you watch, are you watching reality TV at all right now? I, you know, you mentioned the other day I started watching on TikTok, uh, the Mormon wives.

Yes. This is all over TikTok right now. I'm going to let you take this away and I'm just going to chime in because it's, um, it's a lot to like, for me who is not a normal watcher. I'm like, this is crazy. Cause I know Mormons. Do you? I know a few Mormons and they're very suspicious.

Wait, what? I don't know. They're very guarded. They don't open up. They like. Wait, really? Every Mormon I know seems so wonderful like donnie and marie osmond i don't know them that well yeah well i'm talking about like not celebrities you know talking about normal people i'm like what's going on here well this show made me look at norman normans normans mormons norman norman where's norman they did make me look at it on like sideway CyWay. Did you have something to say about the Mormons over there?

You had your microphone right there. No, but they are kind of, like, it's almost cult-ish. No, it is a cult. I think they're very guarded and very, they're kind of afraid to actually admit to their own personal, intimate lives. And I know a lot of queer men who used to, or grew up Mormon. And their lives, like, it took them a long time to come into themselves to accept themselves for their family to accept them but now it's lgbtq friendly the i mean i think every religion has to say that now like i grew up in the church as well like

a lot of churches even on the east coast uh so my family's greek orthodox okay but i went to christian school so i was kind of like in the mix of it all lore there as well but um like a lot of churches have like pride flags but like i think it's all i think that's all marketing well i guess that's better than what yeah it's better than not yeah i don't know to be like we love the gays yeah the the mormon guys that i know like had a really rough time so i can only like specifically more than you think the people that went to school with you like christians i guess they're all christian yes i mean i got expelled so i guess like i went for being gay on trauma for a lot of things i mean i choreographed um i'm a slave for you to daniel in the lion's den a production that i put on in fifth grade what does that mean you did the

like movements oh everything everything full-on and they expelled you no they suspended me for that why i ended up getting expelled later on for some stupid reason. What was it, distracting? Like, what was their... It was sinful. Like, I wasn't allowed to go trick-or-treating. I wasn't allowed to have anything, like, to do with luck or Halloween. It was of the devil.

What? Luck, like, lucky charms or, like, anything that had... Really? Anything mystical or anything, like, secular, I wasn't allowed to like partake in my locker poster of gq spread of lindsey lohan poster of uh britney spears i had a picture of wilmer valderrama with an x through it because he was dating lindsey at the time i got i got like in detention for that too love that wait why because it's sinful i mean to them it was like a cult i was in because they were like sexy girls up in your locker girls Sexy girls. This is of the world. This is secular.

You need to only read the Bible. And I questioned everything. I'm like, why do I need to read the Bible? Like, why are you bullying me? The Bible wasn't written by Jesus. You know, it's written by people around him or God or whoever. I mean, to each their own. I think religion is a fabulous thing if you want to be spiritual, whatever.

If you want to hold on to something. But forcing it down is crazy. So take it away with the Mormonism. No, for sure yeah so this is crazy i was never into it like there was mom talk did you ever follow that on tiktok so there was like mom talk and it was like these groups so i became aware of them from the swingers so like basically there was like a bunch of mormon moms they all like look very similar i guess that's how they all look up in salt lake city they all have like this very similar look and i guess they were like swinging so it was like taylor frankie paul was like the main do you know her yes so she's like

the main and then it all came out like she's like divorcing her husband and mormons are known to get married very young like in general young have lots of kids be and it's for life yeah for life so it was like this crazy thing when she was like divorcing uh her husband they had kids what was the most shocking thing so taylor frankie paul was on do you know vile files you know nick vile of course okay why do you say it like that uh i'm not that big of a fan no yeah no i'm not into it yeah but i know him he had he had taylor frankie paul and i think the most shocking thing she's talking about the swinging scandal and it's like you know i don't judge but she was saying that they were swinging downstairs while the kids were upstairs oh my god and like i was like first of all why would you admit? So that was like part of the thing.

But they guess they got their own show. And I remember this when this all happened. She was, we're filming our own show. And I feel like everyone's always filming a reality show and it never goes anywhere. But this was like front page of Hulu. So I was like, oh my gosh, this happened. So basically it's this group of Mormon moms. They're all in awful relationships, by the way.

I'm just going to say that. It's a reality show. The only reason I'm judging is because they're putting it out there to judge, right? Like no way in hell would I be like, let's do a real, I would never be on Real Housewives.

I'm not going to put myself out there to judge because, like, I think we have a really great relationship, but, you know, people are going to find. Yeah, you end up

being the hot topic. Yeah, exactly. Which, you know, I can handle sometimes. I'd rather talk about hot topics and not be them. Very Wendy, when she was very much

just like, ugh, I'm the hot topic. Who am I to talk? Yeah, what is this? She said, who am I to judge when I talk about the hot topics and I'm the hot topic? Oh, yeah.

And she goes, I'd ask you to respect my privacy, but I wouldn't. Yeah, she's, and I do love that about her because that is, that's just, that's just how it goes. But yeah, so that's the only reason I'm even talking about the relationships. But they're all these awful relationships. Mostly I would blame the men again in these relationships. I don't know. I don't know if like they feel like they have to be a certain way in the moment like maybe like you said maybe

they feel like they have to be a certain way maybe they can't fully be themselves i'm not saying like they're gay or queer but like maybe they couldn't explore maybe they couldn't be themselves because there's just so much like almost hatred or resentment between a lot of the couples right like the one i literally don't know any other names except for tailey frankie paul and whitney the other ones they're i love. They're all so gorge. And here's the thing. I always wanted to be like the pretty skinny girl. But after seeing them all look so similar and not being able to pick them out, I'm like,

I don't think I would. I'd rather look like me than that. Because again, they're gorge. And that's what I thought I always wanted. But watching the show where they all look the same, I'm like, I don't think I'd want to be just like everyone else where you couldn't pick out my name. Yeah. It's like that meme of like Christian Girl Autumn and they all look exactly the same.

Yes. And they're all wearing like a chunky sweater and heels. Yeah. It's very bad. I did want to be those girls, especially like the beauty girls. Like I did want to be those girls, right? Yeah.

With the extensions. Yeah. But what is a little eerie, I'm not saying this about Mormons, just the people they specified on this show, which I'm sure the Mormons probably hate this show by. Right. But they probably think like this is not what we want.

But they all look very similar to their partners too. Like they all have like, they look like each other. And I'm like, that's kind of scary. But they all look very similar to their partners too. Like they all have like – they look like each other. And I'm like that's kind of scary. But anyways, the one was going up to Chippendales. They were all going to Chippendales. And the one husband literally is like, okay, well, I guess have fun being divorced with your children. You know, not having your children when you come back.

Like I was just like that's so weird and they're so controlling. And I just feel like it was – then there was one that was like on Tinder. I think Whitney's husband was on Tinder and they moved to Hawaii to escape it. But then they came back from the show. Whitney was the one whose baby had RSV and was in like the NICU or something. And she was doing the little TikTok dance. Do you remember that? Right, right.

Yeah, she was that woman. And I was just like, oh my God. So basically she was complaining that Taylor Frankie Paul was forgiven for the swinging scandal, but she couldn't be forgiven for dancing next to her baby who had like RSV. But I was like, that's very too dolly different things i guess the thing is is like i guess people always want to watch messy apparently the real housewives of salt lake is like the best housewife franchise so there must be something i mean it's it's very mormon coded there obviously yeah i think a lot of the men are gay actually and i think that's probably why they

have a lot of marital problems and a lot of issues and a lot of attitude but it's it's crazy to put all of that out there like that your kids are gonna watch that and like i understand being open and like being entertaining but it's almost too personal to say like the kids are upstairs while we're swinging like lie about that be like oh they're at this point no but actually i was like that's a weird thing to like. And again, yeah, respect for being real and open. But kind of, like you said, I think when you do have kids, too, and as young age. But like you kind of said, it's like they are kind of conditioned to get married so young. So these guys, they have, I always thought that, too.

Who was it? Who was the other one? Cody with Sister Wives. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah. They're coming back. It's the same thing. They're coming back.

They're coming back. Well, she has no wives anymore. I think she has just one just one wife yeah just one wife and i'm just like but he was so mean to his wives and like he said i wasn't sexually attracted to you and i was just like what is this on tv yeah when you have so many children involved like it is so weird i like utah i like the famous mormons i know i love like julian huff seems sweet like i you know i don't know you know mormons i'm not i love the book the Book of Mormon oh that's kind of problematic too but I think when you take out the problematic parts of it it's a good musical but I think um I think that doesn't help the Mormon community but maybe they're not real Mormons right no I mean I'm sure there's

something financial under cover of it all like some some sort of scamation MLM or something wait really wait absolutely the church or the show? All of it. Okay. All of it. I think every religion hides something. Yeah. And, you know, covers something up.

There's some sort of scam. The money donations always think, not just the Mormon church. I think Mormon church have to give like, what is it, like 10% or like 90? I don't know. You have to give a large percentage of the church. But with every religion too.

I grew up Catholic. It's like you have to give money in the offering. And I always think that's like, I mean, I guess, I guess to build new churches. I don't know. It's like you have to give money in the offering. And I always think that's like, I mean, I guess. I guess to build new. I don't know. And it's all allegedly. We know nothing. We know nothing about the Mormon church.

Alleged scams. It's all alleged. This is all alleged knowledge. Yeah, we know nothing. We know nothing. We're just here to, we're jokers in the court. I always say that. I'm like, I know, I literally know nothing.

Sometimes I'm like, is that? I don't know. It's fascinating. And then at the beginning, they're all wearing like blue coats. And I'm like, I didn't know that. The only thing I knew about Mormon was the show we watched, Andy Garfield. Did you watch that one? Under the Banner of Heaven?

No. It was like, he's like this detective in this Mormon world. I think Rory Culkin's in it. They wear the like Mormon underwear and stuff like that. So that's all I know. And I just feel like they, maybe they get a bad rap. You know, honestly, I know we have Mormons that watch us. So you guys can go in the comments and let us know.

Yeah, shout out to the Mormons. Yeah. I think these people are maybe not an accurate portrayal of mormons right i don't i don't think so i mean is anything on tv an accurate portrayal of like i don't think so like cody was sister wives i'm sure a lot of the mormons are like not us you know should we do mormon cosplay next week i did a mormon cosplay you did what i was elder patis i had my little thing but it was from book of mormon i love andrew reynolds so i did a little and you did what? I was Elder Paytas I had my little thing but it was from Book of Mormon I love Andrew Reynolds so I did a little

Andrew Reynolds yeah Mormon Girl Autumn or something that would be cute what would you dress as the ones that go door to door or would you be like

in the garb I feel like you would have like a blonde wig that would be like wavy down to long a chunky knit sweater just like

look like beige everything oh like the the Mormon wives on Hulu yes yes oh for sure. I would love to. I don't think I'm, there's no fat Mormons.

I never see one on TV. That's rude. Right? Maybe they have some like dietary restriction. They're very exclusive. I never see that. And you haven't been in a relationship since Joey. No, I, you know, it took me, I went through a heartbreak, you know?

Yeah. It was together for a long time. And then COVID too, that like made it,ated, like, the depression of it all. Yeah. Oh, you guys weren't together during COVID? No. So we didn't announce. We broke up February, right before COVID happened.

Oh. I think COVID landed in March, I believe. Yeah. We broke up in end of February. And then everything going on in the world, like, you know, that first, like, six months of the year were wild. Yeah, the world's ending. Yeah. It was, like, you know, that first, like, six months of the year were wild. Yeah, the world's ending. Yeah. It was, like, Kobe and fires.

Yeah. And, like, literally people being murdered by the police. Like, it was crazy. I'm like, girl, we're not announcing a breakup right now. This is not a serious thing. But we did it after the fact. I think we did it in July. Of 2020?

Of 2020. Oh, that's so pretty fresh. We announced it. We announced it. Yeah. And then we were living together for the first six months because i'm like global pandemic hello like yeah what's gonna happen and i was in italy at the time of the the uh pandemic outbreak actually i was there for

fashion week for uh for a thing it was fabulous eating all the pasta and everything and then the outbreak happened in italy i was the last plane to leave Milan, flew to LA, went through a breakup. Then we lived together. And honestly, things were great. Like during the breakup and everything, it was great. Really? Yeah. My friend Madeline was living with us during COVID.

Love her. During that six months. And then, yeah, we announced it. Oh, my God. It was crazy. So if it was great, were you guys like, maybe we shouldn't break up? There were thoughts and then i'm like nah i gotta go that's but like yeah i went to montana for a couple months cleared

my head and um yeah i haven't dated since i i'm very happy right now though that's good yeah there's living your life i've met a really really amazing person like through the year a couple amazing people through the years like i'm a connection person yeah i'm not on dating apps i like a meet cute just like meeting kind of by chance and i've always been lucky in love to like be guided towards a good person and um but just not your soulmate no i mean um we'll see but in the moment i'm really happy you could probably have multiple soulmates like i feel i think so too yeah different chapters that you need have different needs different you know as we grow Different you know. As we grow. And you know.

Sometimes it's one person. Sometimes that doesn't work out. Sometimes there's another person. Multiple people. Who knows. You guys were always a couple goals. Like I always love that you did. I know we were talking a little bit before.

How you like it's kind of hard to like date and work with someone. But like I love. Like I love it. Like we work together 24-7. And it's like amazing. But it does scare me in that sense. Where you guys are like. Well just like fizzle.

I mean how does it fizzle? Because not only do you have the love love but like even if love fizzles you have other things like partnership kids like businesses yeah it's like don't you just stay together for one thing and maybe the others will come later yeah i think we were also like we're early 20s when we started and also he was really annoying you know in videos i'm like why are you playing with orbeez like i was i grew up very quickly i'm like what's with the orbeez and the slime and the cutting open toys i'm like there is something going on yeah now a million views for opening a toy it's send them over we're opening up we're gonna jump

into an orbeez bath right now but you know what they're literally the most dangerous things for kids like if you have them in the house yeah they'll literally like swell up in there i anything with little beads, I'm like absolutely not. Do you know how I got those Orbeez out of our clawfoot bathtub? I had to put them in bags. What's a clawfoot bathtub?

It's just like a very like big like bag, tub with like claw feet. It's like Victorian, like very Bridgerton coded. Love that. Yeah. That's how I explain things too. Very Bridgerton coded.

Ah, I love it. So we filled the bathtub and then I had to like post-production was scooping it out in maybe like 10 trash bags i put it out and stupidly they're filled with water i didn't realize they were gonna be so heavy i put them into the trash barrel the trash barrel stayed out there maybe three months because the company the trash guys couldn't pick up the barrel so i just like stabbed the bottom drilling holes with a bit and all the water was pouring out. It was awful. They got in our lawn.

It was it was every time it rained, they would like get big. I'm like, these are jumbo Orbeez, too. They're not the normal ones. They like, yeah, you can never get rid of them. They're like gremlins. They like multiply. Yes. We had it, too.

I remember the first like our first couple months of dating. You're like, we had Orbeez in like a bath or something. He's like scrubbing like all over the grass. I was like, what? It was so weird. That was like beyond like I got to a point where I'm like it was actually 2018 where I'm like I don't want to be in any of your videos anymore and you're gonna hire a producer wow yeah and also like producing the videos uh I would have produced some of the bigger ones but

like I'm like I'm no longer a talent with you I can't because also I started reading the comments then never read and I was very comfortable in relationship I think I had like I can't. Because also I started reading the comments then. Never read the comments. And I was very comfortable in a relationship. I think I had like, I don't know, I gained like 10 pounds or something. But like, I'm tall. Yeah. It goes to my face. And like, obviously we see I'm chiseled and like, fit and happy and good. Yeah. And where I'm supposed to be. But like, it wasn't anything. 10 pounds is nothing.

But people will say, you read one comment in like a thousand kind ones. And they're like, he's a user. He's riding coattails he's fat like oh he can't wait i'm like girl i don't even have a youtube channel like what yeah never read the comments were you reading like guru gossiper back then oh i sure was that's the worst they sure was they are crazy and they're weird like grown-ups were a like these are 50 year old men who are obsessed with boys in their 20s like Like, wanting, like, for our nudes to leak, all this stuff.

I'm like, this is so sick. And also older women, too. There were, like, a lot of older women who, like, cat ladies. Shout out to cats. We love cats. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, they're at home. They're, like, addicted to consuming media, like, on YouTube.

And, like, they get, like, an obsessive. I mean, you've had questionable characters be obsessed with you online, I'm sure. Yeah, maybe, yeah. But I think, I do think, like, especially, like, hot young gay guys. Right, right. And I get that. And I try not to be that weirdo lady, too.

Because I do find, like, yeah, I love, like, I get weirdly into, like, gay couples. And I'm very invested in them more than, like, straight. But you're supporting. You're not, like, obsessed and want, like, to marry them. Well. Well. You know. I didn't find out Matt want like to marry them. Well. Well. You know. I didn't find out Matt Bomer was married with three kids. I was like oh okay. Yeah. Maybe not for me then.

His husband's an agent. Oh damn. He's like a heavy hitter in the industry. I know. I do get a little bit obsessed in that way too sometimes with gay men. I don't know. I don't know if it's because it's like I feel like they can never hurt me so I'm like I'm attracted to you because I've always been attracted to gay men. You're an admirer. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little too much sometimes. Sometimes. I've dated some gay people a lot by the way. Everyone always thinks I'm talking about one gay person I've dated. It's like no I've dated quite a few. I've always been attracted to gay men. You're an admirer. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little too much sometimes. Sometimes.

I've dated some gay people. A lot, by the way. Everyone always thinks I'm talking about one gay person I've dated. It's like, no, I've dated quite a few. I've heard. I remember those stories back in the day. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean. The, like, actor from some show or something. I'm like, holy shit. I really did. And I don't know if they were, like, just playing with it because it was cute and fun. Or, like, they maybe were queer or open. They probably were. And just, like, also that generation.

Like, a lot of them just don't come out. And they're not able to. And especially for work. Even now as a queer actor, like, it's hard to book work. Matt Bomer, like, he got lucky. But I don't think he was outwardly, like, on the cover of, like, Out Magazine or doing stuff until more recently. You're right. Who's that?

Someone else. And he's what? I think he's, like, 50, 40s, late 40s. We're actually. I know this too this is I don't know too much he's actually Moses' age

and Jonathan Bailey is my age Jonathan Bailey is 13 days older than me and Matt Bomer is 13 days older than Moses I love the math you have it on the calendar

77 and 88 you're like happy birthday I know it's so well and we're both Taurus as me and Jonathan Bailey so I know this very well and they're both oh no

you're end of Scorpio anyways so I do know this but yeah you're right and that's why that's why I again I really do love Jonathanathan bailey too i love that he's like just so out yeah but gets to play all the roles right you know he gets to play gay i think that's cool not everybody gets that opportunity though because you're typecasted and

however i think he started did he start in theater he did yes he did like i think that's the great yeah that's the great way to go because you can kind of go in any direction. Yeah, and there are so many, like, straight and open and queer. Alan Cumming is bi. He's still bi. Like, I still, I feel like it is, theater is great. That's why I love musical theater, too. It's very open to everyone and everything. But I think it was Chris Colfer, actually, who said that he didn't want to come out as gay

because he thought it would hurt his career, even though, like, he played a very out. Well, yeah, the door was glass and beaded oh i know no we love yeah he has like 14 books he's like an author who like writes so many books now um but he thought it was like yeah he didn't want to like come out and that is interesting it's true no it is because you get yeah i guess you i when i was auditioning i was told that i need to dial down the queerness i'm like i have a really deep voice i do have octaves and like levels when i speak because i'm like eccentric but there were many uh casting directors that were like they're gonna hire a straight actor to like play queer and then the role comes out and i'm like oh you play queer yeah i'm like oh you didn't eat that but your

father's a producer in the industry so i get it now cool interesting i got super bitter but then i'm like you can't be bitter about it because everybody has their own path and like the things that don't work out will open doors in the future i agree i totally agree with that i do feel though like if you're playing someone like uh freddie mercury right who's like an egg gate icon like don't you think or even absolutely absolutely like why wouldn't you because there are so many amazing like queer absolutely like why wouldn't you because there are so many amazing like queer actors like why wouldn't you yeah it's you know what what i say is like who is the best for the role give it i think it should be given to the minority to the

queer yeah person who's representing a queer character i think so i think people are like scared to say that because but i think it's like a really you know just like in the new wicked nessa rose you know like they they definitely because i think in was it Glee I think he wasn't in a wheelchair the actor Kevin McHale so I was just so I was like why and then later on they did they had the I think she won a Tony for Oklahoma like an actress but I feel like if you can give it to someone who you know there's like seven uh Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs are you watching I'm watching Snow White and the Seven D yeah but love but well i think the controversy right is like why is it little people i think they called okay i don't know yeah no i

think it might be a little person okay an lp okay lp yeah and so they they had um i guess what you call just like average size people and then they this new one they do cgi because they have yeah i don't like that but all the animals look realistic. And they're just like, OK, but why wouldn't you have? I think in Half, that was a whole storyline was that Deborah, Barbara or Deborah? We always forget her name. Deborah Vance, right? Is that her name?

Deborah? OK. She hired little people actors to play elves to hand out her Christmas invitations. And Ava was like, you can't do that, whatever. But then the little people actors were like, this is like, you know, the jobs that we get hired for. So I feel like with Snow White, you could have given seven of those actors these like big roles in a huge Disney thing

and then didn't. So I just don't know how they did it when they reshot everything, how they missed the mark with that because that would have been, I think most people would agree. I think it was Peter Dinklage who was like, that shouldn't be the case.

But all the other people, all the other little actors were like, I would like to play those roles. No, I mean, I think it's just everybody should have an opportunity to play a character that they want to play and be who they want to be and like have it be authentic. Because like that's empowering to every community. And that's what entertainment's about. Yeah.

Like we're here to entertain. Yeah. Like let people be entertained. If you can't see yourself on a screen, then you're always going to feel weird about yourself. Yeah, I agree. I feel like that's so, then you're like so much more seen. Yeah. Which is why I got into Bridget Chang

because when they had like a plus size actress, even though she's very small and petite in my eyes. She's also very, to me she's short and like tiny. She's very tiny. Yeah. I, and again, the cast wherever,

she's obviously gorgeous, but like, you know, when they describe her in the book as being very like large and ugly, I'm like, she's very petite and pretty. Right, right. Which I mean, I get it. It's Hollywood, whatever. But yeah, like but yeah like i size comparison right i showed this on

my tiktok is like her next to like luke newton who played colin like she's she is very tiny put me next to moses and i i'm literally like twice the size which is like fine it's like but again if you're comparing bodies like oh she's a petite person right or whatever right i mean i think obviously there's like sizism and entertainment. Yeah. Like even like when they're like, oh, we have plus size models. I'm like, that's a normal person. Like what? I know.

That is Hollywood. I do like to see in the new Wicked, the Shen Shen I think is the character's name. Yeah, yeah. Who's like, she's not, I don't like to say plus size either. I don't want to like ever offend anyone. I like, I say plus size. I call myself that, whatever. But she's like not a size zero.

And I love that because in the plays, like a lot of times, and Bo and Yang, I think that character is usually a female, maybe not in the book, but I like that Bo and Yang is in Oh, okay. Got it. I love Wicked. I'm very excited to see it. Yeah, I'm excited. How, again, did we go there?

We were talking about what? Where did that come from? I go on these tangents. We're like, we're one with the wind. We're just like. I know. When you're like, should we talk about Hot Topics? I was like, it really is chaotic.

Well, I'm used to like, okay, this, this, this, and this. And now I'm like, okay. I know. I didn't know. Usually like. We're we're keeping it on track right like where we're at i have like things i always want to hit but yeah yeah um do you ever watch dairy girls on netflix i love dairy girls i have only watched the clips but i love that show i know i gotta watch no i started season one recently but i was traveling so i didn't get like fully into it have you been to dairy ireland no i want to go i love ireland oh that was traveling, so I didn't get fully into it. Have you been to Derry, Ireland? No.

I want to go. I love Ireland, though. Oh, that was good. I can do an accent. Let's hear it. Just that part. No, no, no. Okay.

No, no. I can do a lot. I can do British. Wait, can you do a British accent? I love accents, too. Trisha Paytas. Of course I can do an accent. Oh, that sounds a little British-y.

Or a little Hugh Grant. That was a little Hugh Grant. Oh, Grant. That was a little Hugh Grant. Oh yeah, that's a little Hugh Grant. There's different, because like Derry, I feel like they have such a, the Irish, I really bet. It's like twang. It's like, yeah.

They're like, my body's starving. What the fuck you doing, mate? Yes. That's serious. Like, I think it's about to shut down, Michelle. We all about to shut down.

That sounds a little witchy though. Maybe not. I think I'm not doing it right, but I love. We'll do a reenactment. I love Ireland. We talk about Ireland a lot. Shout out to all the Irish people. I think I'm not doing it right but I love. We'll do a reenactment. I love Ireland. We talk about Ireland a lot. Shout out to all the Irish people.

Shout out to Ireland. We love you. I have been to the Cliffs of Mar and it was stunning. Oh that was good. That was really good. That was really good. No we did.

Is that Ewan Jones over there? That cliff? Something Stonehenge. I'm not sure. It's a lot of rocks. Is that real? I thought Stonehenge

was like a myth. It's real. We drove by. I'm like I don't need to stop. I've seen one Stonehenge. You've seen them all. Isn't that like one of the like, not like Loch Ness Monster?

Like, isn't it like? No, I think it's like one of the seven wonders of the world. Oh, I thought it was like, what is the Loch Ness Monster? What does that consider? Like Bigfoot? What are those things called? Yeah, it's like folklore and fables.

And that's how Stonehenge was at. No, it's giant rocks. It's like the Easter egg heads. Yeah. Easter egg's giant rocks. It's like the Easter egg heads. Easter egg heads? Yeah, they're like the Easter island heads. Not Easter egg heads, they're just these pink Easter eggs. They're in Ireland? No, those are in Hawaii. Machu Picchu.

Oh my god, but you've been to Ireland. What? I've been to Ireland. I was also supposed to go to Machu Picchu last year, but it got rained out. Where's Machu Picchu? It's in Peru. I was supposed to go on a hiking trip and hike Machu picchu okay peru is where uh europe near argentina no south america i don't you know that's one thing i don't know any america it's okay you know this you know the pink checkerboard that's what you need to know geography is not my strong point but i would love to i won the geography bowl in eighth grade so i kind of did you oh my god you're like so smart

you really are but you are very smart. How did you know? Like, what did you have to do to win that? I just, like, loved looking at maps when I was a kid because I love, like, ships, so I would study, like, ship guides. I love the Titanic. I know everything there is to know about the Titanic. I'm a huge fan of, like, just the ocean and travel, like, airplanes, Pan American Airlines,

like, the history of all of, like, travel. I used to just, like, look at places around the world.'m gonna go there i'm gonna go there i'm gonna go there i had no idea that about you oh my god you're like did you guys ever do when you shot the don't wait video was that in a different country no we actually we wanted to we actually shot in montana so i had um montana's always been a close place to my heart i've been going there since i was like seven or eight um my brother went to university of montana so i'd spend summers with him when my parents were fighting um i'd visit and then my roommate in college lives there uh lived there and i i'm like okay let's shoot here like let's go to glacier national park let's like we and guess what like andy i mean yeah andy

shot that and i yeah um went out. Was it expensive? You can bleep it. I'll bleep it. I want to know how much it paid. No, no, no. I don't think it was, for what it did and the numbers, I think it's the highest viewed YouTuber music video right behind Ava Gatowski's Literally My Life, which definitely looks expensive, but definitely didn't cost $50,000. Definitely not.

I think it was like $40,000 or $50,000. Oh, that's cheap. Yeah, like yeah reasonable and i believe it's standing at like 40 or 50 million views right now wow it was such a big that's just coming out video right yeah and it was like we did an artistic way the song was also like pulled in by h&m when it was on the summer soundtrack like internationally it was so crazy don't wait for the world to be ready oh no I'm kidding no it's fierce

it's so good it's so good and you guys were so good in it it's so great but yeah we shot in Montana we kind of like rogue shot a lot of stuff because I'm like

we didn't get a lot of permits for this stuff we were shooting at like wow you produced it yeah and I also did casting and worked on wardrobe

it was like Andy had his team but he's not it wasn't where he's like at right now he's doing like films and amazing stuff now yeah he has like a huge worked on wardrobe it was like Andy had his team but he's not it wasn't where he's like at right now he's doing like films and amazing stuff now yeah he has like

a huge production company yeah it was it was so cool to do and then we filmed like at a school like on a on a playground

with no permits like fully illegally oh my gosh but nobody was there so it was fine yeah he used to shoot like that like kind of just like yeah it's like

I was calling it a student project I love that the entire time yeah well kind of it's like not really for mass well it was I was calling it a student project. I love that. The entire time. Yeah. Well kind of. It's like not really for mass. Well it was mass consumption. But it wasn't for MTV. No.

It popped off in a way that was like shocking to both of us. What year was that? 2014 or 15? 2015. 2015 it came out. Wow. It'll be 10 years next year which is wild. Oh my god.

10 years. You should host a reunion. Yes. We're seeing him this weekend. He has a daughter that's my age. Oh no way. Yeah. So we always get to.

We do play dates. I'm so happy for them. Yeah. No they're. They look so happy. And did you see his movies? Did you see Manishina Family? No, I didn't. But I got the PR for it because I just got home and I saw like a PR box and I came from

it. The little popcorn buckets and the little daddy hats. They had such a good cast. I was like, I love Andrew. I always thought he was so talented too. I've always gravitated towards talented people. His quality of work is amazing. I mean, he's done so many for you.

Did you do all of them in the beginning? Yeah. No, there's not one I didn't do without him. That's amazing. Even up until, I think our last one was 2021. Do you think you'd get back into music and do videos? So yeah, we have a live show coming up in December, like a Christmas show.

So I have a Christmas song that I want to do and I want him to direct it. But he kind of retired from like YouTuber music videos. But I do think I like this weekend. I'll be like, hey, so do you? Because we talked about doing stuff together. So I'm like, hopefully maybe he won't do it on music videos. I love music, but it was expensive.

And well, also the productions that you do, very expensive. I went crazy. Well, because I met him around the time Joey was using him. Like when Joey did Colorful. Were you with him when you did that? I wasn't. But I didn't know any of that. Didn't see any of it of it I'm like is this man a pop star or like a youtuber I'm like I don't get it because it was really good it looked so legit I always thought that

was a Joey Graceffa song well I was also like is he straight he's like kissing a girl in this I'm like I'm not from what happened last night you're like maybe he's open no he had a straight era for sure because I think story of my life with Luke they were like fighting over a girl in that video too so yeah live for that but I think I met Andrew Valentine that year 2014 and I remember my first music video was Santa Baby and it cost like $4,000 it was so cheap but then our

last one yeah our last sad boy one cost like $250,000 to shoot like we literally did like you had war yeah I see that meme to this day worth Worth every penny. That's what I always say. Your art is just you know. Yeah I agree. We spent over 10 million. I've done the math. We spent over

10 million dollars over doing 60 music videos together. Have you made that back from music? No definitely not. But you know what? Well iconography. Yeah. You have more music videos than most pop stars which is honestly that's a feat in itself. It's very true and we did budget. We did production. And I don't regret any of it.

It's before I thought I'd get married or have kids. So I was like, I'm just going to blow all my money. And Andrew will come over and he'll be like, sorry. I'm like, no.

I'm like, you know, it's like me and Ricky Dillon. It's like, if we are willing to spend this, you know what I mean? Snoop Dogg has entered the chat. That's wild. That's like,

you didn't even have Snoop Dogg. So I remember getting, I think it was Nicki Minaj. Maybe it was like 300,000. And I think Snoop Doggg was 100 000 bargain right kind of yeah but i think part of it was like he wouldn't lip sync in the video he would just appear in it yeah wouldn't promote it he had to have his own director do it so andrew valentine didn't shoot the part with snoop dogg so and but you know what ricky's there next to him and it was kind of iconic it was just like i love ricky

i honestly thought i thought he was just as talented as troy savant like i don't know why he didn't pop off i was like honestly they were like iconic to me at the same time do you like choice i'm a huge choice love i mean i he so um we did don't wait and then with one of the writers who then had just done troy's ep and then went on to do blue neighborhood oh. So this was like right when Troy was, he wasn't even popping off. It was just he was launching a career. Was he like friends with Tyler Oakley at this point? Is he like in that group? I think he was friendly.

He wasn't really in the group anymore. Like he had like pulled back for sure. After, so this is after. Yeah, this is after. Because he dated Connor full circle. Did you know that? I mean, I don't think the world knew it. Of course I knew it.

But I think it's out there now that they discovered Chapel Rowan. Did you see that picture of them? I saw that. Yeah. And I was like, I didn't know they dated. Yeah. I don't think Troy even knew either. But I mean, I don't think it was public.

But did they date? I mean, I think there were inklings that like they were like hanging out. Is it out there? Hopefully it's out there. Jimmy, correct me if it's not out there. But I think it's out there. No, I think he mentioned in a podcast, he said my boyfriend at the time maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I didn't know that that referred to Troy. It was just like oh i would assume like the sky is blue like i always thought well then they had a picture of troy and him with chapel roan so i think okay got it put it together yeah which is everything yeah but you like so you guys hung out or no um i think we've only hung out once or twice at an event not like personal but like i love his music i think what he's doing now like his open and eccentric queerness is fantastic shows are so i haven't been to one but just watching the clips online i'm like yeah i'm excited i'm gonna miss out on that tour but i just saw charlie this summer did you yeah we did um i forget what venue was at the greek maybe i'm not sure no it was downtown it was downtown it was when my smoothie launched with Moon Juice. Did she know about that? Your smoothie? Her team, yeah. So her.

They were fine with it? So my TikTok, the TikTok on it went viral. And then the, one of the reps at like Atlantic Records or something is friends with my friend who's a manager. And he was like, what's this about? I'm like, oh, it's just, I did it for fun. Like it's not real. Yeah.

But the actual smoothie is coming out next week and we're doing proceeds to the la lgbt center and he's like he's like i'm gonna try to get her the smoothie but she gets in tonight the show's also tonight but like we're just gonna we're gonna make it happen you know how those things happen it didn't happen but she knew about it i guess and she was like down she was like yeah i mean it's a smoothie it's fun we're gonna bring it for the whole production that was iconic that you got that what do you think was better the brat smoothie that you did or at moon juice or 143 katie perry at air one the brat one because that's like fully by me yeah i mean the 143 one's great too and it was did you like to work on that yeah it was it was um i think you would like because you like grapefruit so it's super grapefruit no it's it's orange and pineapple-y so it gives you that like

citrusy kind of thing i love a grapefruit yeah but it's very summery like end of summery but the moon juice one was like fun because it was like 100 me oh that's crazy i didn't know that and you came up with the ingredients and everything yeah and then they they dm me because i always wanted to work with erwan like i had like gotten the millions and millions of views through the series and i see all these little almond girl influencer in la getting all the erwan press and not the pr packages i'm like i don't get anything like that like really not from erwan like erwan's very specific like they only send to one particular demographic demographic which i'm like white girls like white skinny supermodels yes like i'm not like it is what it is but it's like this chic, like tote bag and everything.

And then I think. They give out PR. Oh yeah. They get PR for every smoothie. They'll send you. I've only had Air One Two making videos. I love Air One Two. I know.

That's crazy. So I was like, if you can't beat them, join them. I'm going to make my own smoothie and just like not, I wasn't even doing it really to troll. It was to get their attention to like,

I'd love to be brought on as like to produce some of your like campaigns and stuff like that. Like as a side thing, thing make the smoothies and they didn't do that i got a letter for a not a letter an email from my lawyer who was like hey like something's going on but um you're fine you you said at the end of the video like that this isn't real but just to let you know wait that wasn't real what did you allege because i said that the smoothie wasn't real because I kind of made it. I'm like, the smoothie's not real, but if you guys want to tag Erewhon, maybe we can make it happen and get it on the menu.

But people didn't watch the whole video. But I don't understand. Erewhon was like, they thought you were promoting something that wasn't. No, they just, they wanted me to take down the video essentially. Okay. Well, this is alleged that they sent, or maybe not, that PR, maybe they sent PR to other people besides skinny white girls. Allegedly.

Our conspiracy allegedly. Let us haven't seen any but i'm like you know when you feel excluded you're like okay i'll just do it myself i mean obviously you're like fine i'm making my own escape something escape trash like i was like yeah no for sure i know i know that because it does feel that way it used to happen and have you ever collaborated with a queer person have they yeah uh not that i know of no i mean they they collabed recently with um winnie harlow but i don't think she's queer but she's a model she's i believe she's african american she has vitiligo and she's fabulous like she reached out on tiktok she like loved the review whatever uh but that's the only person everything else has been like a supermodel or like random like make it more fun right at least jake shane i think would get one he's so popular right now you think they'd give him um i don't know i mean it's it is what it's overpriced they know their

demo good for them and i'm doing my own thing over here i feel like erwan though is lots of gays no i think it's fake the gays are there for sure but when I go there I'm always uncomfortable because I'm like I just get I don't know I'm a Ralphs and Whole Foods person I love Ralphs

we're Ralphs all the way Whole Foods is great because they have really affordable food and it's like I like their produce I just don't like that there's no like

Lay's potato chips there they don't have like brands that's when you go across the street to Galveston's or to Ralphs well even Galveston's

is too bougie Galveston's is really expensive yeah I think and Whole Foods I remember Joey always going to the whole foods at love third street yeah and i was like the chicken and so i was like oh i want to eat at the whole foods and even oscar's like yeah i have to go joey to whole foods but like it's kind of trash now it's not like the hot foods yeah there's a place called lazy acres which is really great it's like a it's it's arowan but it's they have all the brands they have like the big brands the oreos yeah they have like unhealthy stuff or whatever but they have all the brands. They have like the big brands. The Oreos. Yeah, they have like unhealthy stuff or whatever, but they have the healthy stuff.

And it's all very pretty, very like put together. It's cool. Yeah, I feel like Erewhon is just like too bougie. They had a Pride smoothie though. Who did that? No, they didn't have a Pride smoothie. It was like rainbow. It was like blue.

That was the Winnie Harlow smoothie. It was blue, yellow, and red. Yeah. Oh, and she's not queer? No, they've never done anything for Pride or anything like that. I mean, every brand gets on the Pride. I know. You know?

Yeah. It's like the Demiurge bandwagon. You have to like, hmm. A little side eye. Well, this is all a legend. Yeah. But that's why we make our own stuff. Right, exactly.

And get other opportunities and work with brands and companies and get on shows and everything. Absolutely. Yeah. I agree. I remember, I want to say it's a joey connection too did he get sponsored by like mcdonald's or something i think so i'm like how did you not get that first oh i was so mctrish yes oh where is it oh yeah the trish filet like a

fish filet the trish filet genius we come up with good names together yeah it was but i remember him getting sponsored maybe it was wendy's or something. And I was like, this person hates fast food. Like he only eats greens. He never eats processed food. And I was like so annoyed. And then someone had told me, they're like, oh, fast food doesn't like collaborate with fat people because they don't want people to think they'll be fat if they ate their food.

But it's like, who do you think is eating your food most of the time? I'm like, what? Yeah, like look how hot you'll be. You look like Joey Graceffa if you eat our meal. I'm like, Joey Graceffa's not eating McDonald's. I don't know if it was McDonald's that was trying to sponsor her. I was vegan with him for two years i wanted to die you were vegan for two years he was i think he was vegan longer it would wreak havoc

on my body i was emaciated i was i was tiny it's like a 29 size waist normally i'm a 31 really yeah i was but i like i wasn't strong and i want to feel like like i can lift things and do like gardening and landscaping and all this fun stuff are you eating the yak meat now oh exclusively no no Montana is not Wyoming a lot of people are like why do you live there I'm like totally separate separate states no it's close Montana is for the outdoorsman wonderful people adventuring in Wyoming is for like farming and crazy people and have you tried the yak You should do number one hater yak meat. I will become, I will be yak meat if I go there. Are you kidding?

I will end up like in the freezer. Why? No, just because like just in general I have always been outspoken about certain things with that person and I don't stand for like any hate on like the trans, queer, LGBT community. I think like you need to uplift and I don't stand for like any hate on like the trans queer LGBT

community I think like you need to uplift each other especially when you have that much power and you use your voice in a negative way is just like so detrimental do you think it's changed? no darkness evil I don't really follow I try to I'm blocked on every platform

because I was just I think I quote tweeted something once and it was like against the grain. I'm like, how could you as a queer person not fully X, Y, and Z? Like I was standing up for my people, you know? That's good. And that's it. And some people can't take the Trish.

They can't take the Trish. They can't take the Trish. The T. I do feel, I think, yeah. I think in general there is, especially like completely separate conversation, but like older people in general maybe has like a little self-hating because they can't like fully be themselves. Or, you know, people at the time, you think back in like the 90s, like a completely separate

thing, but like in the 90s when people couldn't be out and gay. So maybe they like hate on this new generation that not only can be, but it's almost like, not only is it accepted, but it's like really cool and trendy, right? Like, you know, like lesbians are having the moment, right? But I feel like maybe people who couldn't be so full out are a little bit. I think it's, like, it all stems from insecurity and, like, sadness within yourself. And, like, again, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don't have, like, a solid foundation of people around you and love and people who care about you, like,

none of it's worth it. What would you say your advice to people who doesn't have, like, the family background? Like, you don't have a strong family, but you've been able to find community and friendships and closeness. Like how do you find that? Or how do you think you can break a cycle? You're going to make me cry because this is the one thing like that gets me like, growing up, I, I didn't have the support. I came out, I wasn't accepted by my father. My mom always had my back, but like we grew up, you know, I grew up in a European household and the woman is married

forever you know that's not the case but i i was bullied super heavily and you just need one person a friend even a teacher that you can confide in a guidance counselor somebody some person that believes in you and now with the internet and like you know vlogging or whatever you can find that community online you need one person and that one person grows from two to three to ten you find your chosen family people believe in you and push you and want the best for you and in any anything that you're going through like you can find your chosen family because there's everybody goes through stuff yeah everybody goes through stuff you're never alone and it doesn't last forever yeah and just like having to when you find those people like how do you trust how do you like know that they won't be

like hateful you know because it's like it's happened in your own family right like your dad it's like how do you trust also men in general right like i have my own daddy issues too where it's just like how do you trust men like you know you get these like how do you get past that i guess yeah i mean i always have um veered more towards women i'm a i'm a girl's gay like i've women have always been my always pushed me always stood up for me in school i have great like straight guy friends too um and a couple queer friends but i don't know there's something like something clicks when you meet people like whether you're in school and you need to be and go out for a sport or go out for a club or like join maybe not sorority or fraternity i was in a fraternity in college too yeah but it was like the smart boys it was like nerds

and i was like head of like the etiquette board so i got to like teach them like how to use cologne and like how to tweeze their brows and all this stuff like how to you know it was like gentlemen it was sweet oh that's cute but you just find your people you just need to put yourself out there because if you're always in the headspace of like everybody's against me nothing's gonna work out for me that stuff comes to fruition yeah you just have to try like i was like in new york i met the coolest people by chance and like they're my soulmates and like they became my family it's amazing how you do kind of like keep and like like nurture those like friendships because i've always been bad at that i'm not someone who like is good at being a friend like because i just don't know how to like reach out and if people reach out to me i

just like assume the worst i don't know i've always had really bad i think you've been burnt a lot of times and you've been like hurt a lot and a lot of people have and you build up walls to protect yourself yeah but sometimes like it feels so great to like break those walls down and just like give people a chance but like you just need to feel it in your heart that they're genuine and have love for you unconditionally yeah i guess that's why i asked more even for myself because i was just like how do you look past like being like oh this person won't hurt me i just assume everybody would right so i know that wall i think it's easy to get in that mindset especially if you've been hurt or like went through a crazy breakup but your heart

knows like you're you're not gonna well now that I'm thinking of it you've had lots of crazy people into your life but like you just like you know in your gut like sometimes like there's a difference between that feeling inside than like the feeling of like just wanting to have people around you because you're lonely or something like you but you just need to listen to your heart and for you I mean it's very difficult now I mean like you're you've always been a position of power and success and you know especially now which is amazing but a lot of people want things from you so I think like as long as you have your people around you like you don't need a ton of friends but also you can you can have your boundaries you know of like if you go to an event or like how long you want to stay or

you know if you want to have people over for dinner or whatever but that's that's actually so true because that's i never really got into is like what's the etiquette for that like how long do you stay how long do you not you know what i mean like yeah i remember when we hung out you me and it was like shane and rylan i remember being so like i guess maybe jealous is the word where it's just like god i really wanted like stability right i would leave and you guys would be together at home or same thing with shane and rylan and i would get so like jealous that i just like i don't know i didn't know how to like control or stop it i'm like how do you stop being like jealous of someone right because there's always that thing right like

oh i can't be friends with someone that's jealous but that was always me i was always and i maybe not anymore because i'm like in a relationship and all i wanted was that but i don't know how like to not be that right to not see that love and not like want that too like i didn't know how to like get past that so i think i was like just so yeah i don't know sad and depressed i mean so i didn't want to be around it do you know what i mean i know what you mean i i don't think you're like that anymore and i think like you've come to a certain place in your life where maybe you can give yourself that grace of like the past is the past. Yeah.

You can start over again. You can be like, hey, do you want to get coffee or whatever you want? Yeah. Or like come over and like we'll have tea or something. Like what feels good for you? You don't need to spend all day with somebody. Now like my circle is tiny. I'm not friends with a lot of influencers.

I've stepped away from a lot of friendships. And I've been able since my relationship ended, since I have more time to like give, cause I was giving everything in that relationship. Yeah. I'm able to water, I'm able to water the garden around me and like let those friendships bloom and let people be there for me. I was always terrified of like, oh, like if I show up, if I'm a good person, if I love them unconditionally and I like say as to everything that they're never going to like hurt me, they're never gonna like hurt me they're never gonna leave me they're never gonna you know yeah be maybe my who my father was to me but it you're always taking the chance of being hurt and it's just like is it worth it or not and no hold it no it is it is it's it's it's a give and take yeah and um I have

amazing people in my life and I think for me is having one foot in this entertainment world and one foot in the world that I truly love with my heart like I know I don't want to raise a family in LA I want to be in Montana I want to like have that life that's offline and I'm able to switch it on and off when I want do you see yourself like settling down like getting married having kids I would love to be a father one day really yeah i love kids i want to have a farm i want to have not maybe not a farm but like just like i want to have a little shop in town in montana and have like land and have like flowers and all that good stuff it's like what i have now but like larger yeah i think what's so cool is because like you know i always

felt too like being like woman obviously biologically like i was like oh man i need to have kids now but it is so cool that like women, like Kourtney Kardashian, like all these people are having babies in like their 40s. You know what I mean? Because for me having kids, I say later in life, I was 34 when I had my first, but it does feel like I didn't miss out on anything and I appreciate it more like at this like stage in life. You know what I mean?

It feels, and because I have kids, I'm allowed, I'm like able to like form friendships now. Like I said with Andrew, like me and Andy were always like close, but now we're like closer because we have kids. We can hang out with them for them yeah and there's like a common interest and it like feels good you know what i mean and i've like pushed myself out of my boundaries more to have friends for malibu and stuff yeah i mean i think that's good and as a mom that's going to continue to shape things but also you were hurt recently you know and that sucks but that's not there are great people out there. You just like. Luckily I feel like you didn't get. Probably as close as you were going to be.

Yeah. And it all like the universe like. Started it and ended it. Taught you a lesson. Move on. Yeah. That was wild. I think that's the thing.

I think that is the thing. Right. It's like. Friendships I thought I had for so long. Like Shane. Right. Like later on people are like. Shane talked to you.

Shane. And like stuff that only Shane would know. Right. For so long. It's like he would never he would never because i personally never like i thought shane was the one person i was like you know what we are we're never talking about like we're so close so then when i found out all this stuff later that he would you know stuff again that only he would know i was like this sucks you know like calling me like a sociopath and all these like crazy things and i was like that's wild because as much as like shane

had his issues like i never would like talk about them to anybody else i really thought that that just shows who you are as a person and it only reflects on that person and that's like a darkness and unhappiness and highly insecure person yeah who always needs to only talk about others and never like be able to be open about themselves and what they're going through because the friendship is like you bounce stuff off each other you're not always going to be perfect but you're there for each other like that that sucks which is again then with the Colleen stuff I think that also shocked me because I was like okay this is someone who we have no history there's no reason like again the mom connection right you're like oh our kids got together they're around the same age like it's perfect and then to find out like this

person who I wasn't even close with right just like sending my nudes to people and talking like I was just like this is what like all the while inviting me over to her house and stuff like that so that's why like I really didn't like talk to anyone for a while or trust anyone because I was just like okay like this is someone who I thought was like so unproblematic and like whatever and then it ended up being like so nasty to me for like what like why was that all I know obviously it hurt and was like deeply disrespectful were those all things that happened recently or was this like kind of like a couple years ago um a couple years ago so it was around 2021 it was definitely after she gave birth oh yeah it was like a month after she

gave birth to her first son um was at least the ones i saw the text messages that i saw so i was just like damn you just gave birth and you're like, couldn't imagine. Like I gave birth two years ago. I gave birth three months ago. And I'm like, I couldn't even imagine like downloading someone's nudes and sending them to like my little like fan. Like that's so weird.

It's so odd. And that's why I was like, this is, and it was so scary and so violent. I'm just like, oh my God, maybe everyone's weird. So I shut off everyone basically. Because at that time everyone did reach out and I was like, I'm just shutting off everybody. And I still am very that. I'm very distant.

For sure. But it's hard with people who are in the industry, I guess, who have been in the industry and successful for a long time. But it's also like, why? Like that kind of thing. You're just like, but what was the point? Like, what was the point? Again, that's like, as we've seen, it's a darkness.

And like, I think like life will guide you to the right people and that was a lesson for you to learn again anyways that was a tangent and jimmy can also clean that up because i was like that is why i'm like full on i guess it's like we know that was like an over moment i was just like wait why i get like sometimes when i start like i let things go for sure i forget things too sometimes i'll be like not on not not forget things i let things go and then i like don't think of them as bad as they were right like I can be like I miss Shane but then when I think about it I'm like oh like actually yeah I mean the thing is it's hard for me because I wasn't like I wasn't ever best friends with anyone I was somebody's boyfriend and I was kind of grouped

into it so I didn't have like my own one-on-one even with you I didn't have a one-on-one with you I didn't have a one-on-one with Colleen I didn't have a one-on-one with you i didn't have a one-on-one with colleen i didn't have a one-on-one with shane uh that was a little different because like he made me laugh and like we made each other laugh i thought you always had to have more of a one-on-one no we didn't text like separately you went to lunch no once once i mean who haven't i gone to lunch with once you know me like well i remember that i was like i've never been invited to lunch by daniel yeah more over the recent years i've always reached out though and i've always like supported i would actually argue that in the sense of like yes i met you through joey with joey but like i always thought we were closer

that's what i'm talking about that's like that respect that you have for people that a lot of people don't like oh you know like they don't see you as an equal or appear just because i don't have millions of followers i'm like i'm a great person and a great friend and very talented i just like connected more with you i would say that in a heartbeat i mean yeah we know we have a lot in common and like we we can we'd love to yap and talk and kiki and everything for me it's like you coming here would seem very natural because we just talked and i always say this with like joey is like i just feel like we never connected even though i like joey was always nice but like we never like connected as opposed to like you and me i feel like we i don't know it's just flowing like

sometimes you have the flow and sometimes you have to work on the flow and it can come um but yeah with with those people it's it's hard like i was grouped in for a long time yeah and i'm like girl i haven't i don't i haven't even shot a video with this oh right like what people being like so what do you think about it yeah i'm like i literally haven't i don't think of it it sucks it's awful and i've said this before but the fact that i was hounded for so long i i get it yeah but it's just like it's unfortunate i haven't seen this person in years and it's also unfortunate they were always very sweet to me and very kind and like you know there's kindness there but there's also like bullshit yeah behind the scenes that i don't agree with hence why there's no communication no friendship there never has been yeah it's

definitely double-edged sword for sure like if you don't talk about it but you like wrote for that person like for sure but then why do you have to at that moment i was very protect my peace this was before the podcast i was like i don't want to gossip i don't want to job so i was like holding off for so long until i saw that and i was like yeah i gotta go yeah i was like i need to say something because it actually got wild yeah and I was like I gotta go yeah we're battling now I was like I need to say something because it actually got wild yeah and that was also something that was

deeply disrespectful and like harmful but also to like Johnny right like I know he got a lot of hate from it but I'm like this is actually insanity

because I remember confronting her and being like did you ever send this and she was like no he was obsessed with you he would send me pictures so then when I saw like her friend

that's not even public like holding my OF near his face I was like you've been caught girl like it was his face next to my OF and I was like, and she's like, yeah, I was like a coward. I should have told you. And I was like, but you lied. Like you want to step further and blame this kid that was 20 years old at the time and said that he was being inappropriate. I'm like insane. It was actually insane. I feel like anyways, but, but I think it's also like when

people start defending those people, then it becomes like a whole other thing where it's like, oh, it's all lies. Like Todrickrick wrote like defended her and Jojo and you defend the people who ride or die for you and have been in who are you need to stand up for the truth no matter what yeah like if you if you love somebody you can still love them and call them out and even if it's like done in private you don't need to publicly defend them yeah there have been many times where i've given advice where i'm like a solid person who's not necessarily involved whatsoever yeah and i love that about myself i can be some like a rock to people yeah even behind the scenes but like i'm not gonna lie and publicly defend somebody no over their actions that's crazy even now with this and i think wendy williams always

gave right the best quote about it she's like you know she can't be friends with celebrities right because she talks about them so you can't so i feel like that with influencers too there's people that i'm friendly with but like you know if if someone does some f-dub you kind of just say it right you have to say it because it's like truthful it's off you know you don't want to be inauthentic to your viewers right but at the same time i've always appreciated when like people called me out because even if i didn't mean something right with the trans video right at the time what i was trying to say was like not what was being out there but just hearing how people like the way you said it this it's like the honesty is like what you need otherwise i just thought well this is not this is not what to say was, like, not what was being out there, but just hearing how people are like, the way you said it, this, it's like, the honesty is, like,

what you need. Yeah. Otherwise, I just thought, well, this is not, this is not what I meant. People know that's not what I meant. Yeah. But I think when you hear people, like, tell you the truth, it, like, helps more than. Yeah. You can still love somebody and clock them.

And that's, like, part of a friendship, you know? And I think that's love, is clocking them, right? It is. It's tough love. Yeah. Like, actually, because if you're just surrounded by yes people all the time. It's never going to work. It's never going to work. No. And you know those people who are. And I'm just like, so when I saw people defending her, I was like, well, because if you're just surrounded by yes people all the time. It's never going to work. It's never going to work.

And you know those people who are. And I'm just like, so when I saw people defending her, I was like, well, you can't just say she, everyone lied because mine was clearly not a lie where I got an apology where it's like, well, it's not lies. So you could be like, okay, if you love that person, you could be like, you know, she's not a bad person, but that was really effed up or some bad decisions. Okay. So you're a Katy Perry stan?

I am. I mean, I, I have a history with her. I got, she was my first interview when i worked in radio wait really i didn't know that either okay yeah it was really cool are you a katie cat uh my ears were hung up long ago like i'm far too like removed you're a little critical are you critical of her no am i just like making this of course i am okay i'm like i think but like i love pop music and i adore like are adore like Are You a Teenage Dream? Like six number ones,

five number ones. Like broke records. She's an icon. Can I tell you I really thought Darren Criss was the originator of that song for real.

Like actually. I love that. And the way I thought Colorful was Joey Graceffa I really thought. I mean I feel like in Trish world it is. I've lived Darren Criss.

You know number one for like years. When people told me it was Katy Perry I was like oh my god. Yeah. Because I'm like I'm pretty vocal about being like

I wasn't like a hater but I definitely was never like a stan of Katy. Until I met her and then I was like oh my god I love Yeah. Because I'm like, I'm pretty vocal about being like, I wasn't like a hater, but I definitely was never like a stan of Katy. Right. Until I met her. And then I was like, oh my God, I love her. But then of course she got the most hate at the time that I did a music video with her. It's crazy. I mean, Teenage Dream is probably one of the best pop records ever.

I think ever created. Great song. Yeah. I think Bonnie McKee was on that track, who's amazing. I see her all over TikTok. Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, she's good. But yeah, I got to interview her randomly.

She like pulled me on stage in front of 50,000 people. And I stayed connected. I actually, I mean, I stayed connected with the team throughout the years and got to go to shows and stuff like that. So I appreciate and like her music and the music video. She's up for the VMA Vanguard Award. Yes. Or she's getting it. It's this weekend, right?

Yeah. video she's up for the vma vanguard award yes or she's getting it it's this weekend right yeah but she it it's really unfortunate that she decided to work with dr luke yeah i think that's the general consensus yeah and into her she was on call her daddy recently and kind of didn't what was she skirted around it was a pr answer which i get it like if no matter what she says yeah she'll never win unfortunately but don't you think she could have been like, that was a mistake? Yeah, she could say that. But what if she would just, she could lie and say that. Do you know what I mean?

Like, maybe, and I'm giving benefit of the doubt only, like, I don't know her as a person. I don't write for her just because I was in a music video. I thought she was, like, super nice and stuff like that. She's very nice. I think of it as, like, maybe benefit of the doubt, like, didn't know the extent of it. Because I wasn't that familiar. I remember when, first of all, first of all, I have to say, like,'t know the extent of it because I wasn't that familiar. I remember when, first of all, first of all, I have to say like I was in the video before

the song was ever announced before it came out. Like obviously I didn't know. But at the same time, I also didn't know the extent of it. I had to like research because I was just like, what is, who is this person? Like what it is. But you think she's like aware. The thing is, it's hard because social media has, you know, all the knives pointed. The Dr. Luke thing is thing is awful what what's happened

in the past however i don't think he was found guilty of anything which is not i mean i don't know the full story i don't know anything it's so touchy of course it is but like we don't know anything the public's never gonna really know the truth however when you see that at least on social media like she knew she knew what happened she knew like what his what the rap was for him online and there are so many other up-and-coming creative producers and people in music who she could have worked with and made a lot better music i'm sure she didn't need to have him on however what i don't like is that dr luke works with so many artists still like doja Cat, Kid LAROI

like all these other hit makers and like worked on singles and records and whatever and none of them are getting the level of hate. Yeah what is with the why did she get such a hate train you think? I think I mean like you know what a hate train is like once people are on they're like choo choo let's go and also like I think like

they don't aren't respecting like what she's done in the past however just because you're iconic doesn't mean like you can't answer to like what what's going on currently yeah to just be like oh damn that was yeah it's it's it's ruined the rollout however i'm the album's good i'm excited have you listened to it i've listened to like eight songs i like her songs yeah i think it's. How was filming the music video? I loved it. It was like the best experience ever.

That's why I was like kind of sad that the video got so much hate and she got so much hate. It was a big budget. Yeah, it was a budget. I was the first thing I was asked to do in literally 15 years since the Eminem video which has been like, it's literally 15 years. I was 21 at the time. That's, you shot at the Universal lot, on the back lot?

It was at Golden Oak. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which I love. I think we were gonna shoot, we took a tour, all the houses. Yes, all the houses. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. We did so many I think we were going to shoot, we took a tour, all the houses. Yes, all the houses. We did so many. We did the Suddenly Seen More there.

We've done so many ones. They have no, maybe they're Mormons because they have no electricity at night. No, they're all empty. All the houses are, a few of them are shelves. But there's, yeah,

but there's no, there's no lights period on the ranch. I think you have to bring in your own lighting because we were going to shoot Escape the Night there and you have to bring in

all your own electrical. What is that big thing, like a generator you have to bring? Yeah, yeah. So when we went back, it was there and you have to bring in your all your own electrical what is that big thing like a generator you have to bring so when we went back it was like pitch black and I was like oh my god this is so scary but yeah I was at Golden Oak and um I was like so excited and the director was this like really young cool female like I didn't even know it was a director like I remember she like introduced herself and I literally because there was a guy that was like doing all the announcements on the microphone so I just assumed that was the director but and then when the girl introduced herself I didn't know she was super sweet and she's like oh my god i've been like a

fan for a long time and then i was like oh my god the director of the video she was like literally like i mean maybe in her early 20s that's so cool and was like crushed it and killed it yeah and it was cool and seeing katie of course was like surreal i was just like oh my god because that's like a superstar right like i again i wouldn't say i was like a fangirl at all you know but i was just very much like in that moment i was starstruck i was like whoa she's like a star i was the most experience ever my hairstylist who I worked with like years ago Jesus does her hair so I got to see him yes he snatches her so good I saw him recently I think we're he's friends with um my friend Gabriel and like we were all he's so sweet oh my god yes I

remember I remember Gabriel's more too when I did I did a music video they all were living in Houston at the time but they came out and I think Gabriel did behind the scenes of one of my music videos for Superficial Red Gum and that's the first time I met Gabriel and it was like 2015 this was like long I love Jesus and then Tatiana is her stylist who I met on a shoot and I like love her too and so like it was cool it was good to see it all it was fun I'm like you

where I love being on sets like I would love to be on like a TV show or something and I don't know what it would be and I feel like I don't know but I would love to do set stuff again because it's just fun to like be there and like you said not have to like produce where you're just like the talent right right and people just cater like even this is like we produce in a sense produce it we have to give it to the editor to make notes and upload and all this stuff like that but um I like just showing up and being like talent yeah so much fun and

first of many first of many I'm sure I hope so it was it was great the weekend has a new album out so I was like if you need someone for the music video I'm here for it I'm seeing like West End for you I feel like you need to do a stint in London for like six weeks that'd be me

bring the fam have like a little London moment and like I mean Lindsay did it a while ago before like her big comeback what show? I don't remember

but I wanted to go wait really? yeah I'm a big Lindsay stan I love Lindsay too so many actors have done it right before they book something huge too. So I think it could be a good foray into it. Maybe King Richard. Jonathan Bailey's going into King Richard next February.

Okay. So if you need someone, I could be a Shakespearean actress. I love that. She's like full. I don't know King Richard. Do you know? I don't know the story. I don't know him personally, no.

I don't even know the play when he announced it. I was like, work. No, I know the history of it and everything. Who is it? I mean, he's King Richard. What did he do? I don't really know that deep, but I know him. He's not the one with all the wives.

No, I think he was killed. I'm not sure. Us together, we need prompters. See? Okay, well, I'm glad because you're so smart and you're theater, too. And I'm like, wait, but I've never heard of this play. I think it's Shakespeare. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad because you're so smart and you're in theater, too. And I'm like, wait, but I've never heard of this play. I think it's Shakespeare. I'm not sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to be in it, though. I could also see, like, you know when Wendy did Chicago? Wendy Williams did Chicago? Yeah, when she was Mama Morton. That was crazy. I love it. She did not take it seriously, but I loved it.

Oh, I loved it. She's like, when you're good to Mama. Mama's good to you. And people ate it up. Yeah, they ate it up. I would love to be that in Chicago, too. I can see that. Mama's good to you. And people ate it up. Yeah, they ate it up. I would love to be that in Chicago, too. I can see that. I mean, I wouldn't be Roxy, but.

Or any of the roles. No, I wasn't saying her character, but I'm saying like a couple weeks. So you're not on it for like months and months and months. I would love to be on it for months. Like Rosie O'Donnell, too. She did a lot of Broadway. She was in Seussical. She was in Grease.

She was Rizzo. It's coming. It's going to come. Keep manifesting on Instagram when the posts I feel like that this is my stride it was 40s 40s a lot of people

put their stride like Lucy Ball got I Love Lucy when she was 40 Rosie O'Donnell was kind of everything in her like 30s I would love to be

Rosie in the new Britney biopic that's my pitch that I would love okay I love Rosie O'Donnell so much and all her Britney interviews

like a little bit judgy she'd be like you remember she'd be like why are you wearing this what do you mean yeah she's like no ma'am i just you know yeah she's like don't call me ma'am don't call me i was like all right damn i love her i know but that's kind of why she's not on like tv now she was kind of wild back then but she was kind

of everything um what else was on call her daddy that was oh did you see the part where she was talking about orlando bloom and her love language to him? S-ing D. Yeah, that was wild. Wild, but also like kind of human. Like, yeah. Clean the kitchen, please. But is that, has that always been her personality?

I don't know. No, she's always, she's very funny. Yeah, I think she just like was in such controlled interviews. But like, have you watched part of of me 3d it's the documentary no when i'm telling you that's like that's the katie that i know and like i've met her a couple times and she's been very kind in passing but like that documentary it'll it will just change your view on everything like she's been through a lot she's worked so hard i first met her at warp tour in like 2008 or something or it was right before i kissed a girl came out so maybe it was 2007 i'm not sure was this when she did the you're so gay song uh i don't know if she may have performed that yeah i mean love that song but now i'm like didn't age well no i know when you look back i was

like that's wild yeah uh but it was i think she performed either Hot and Cold or I Kissed a Girl. And I was like in trance. Oh my gosh. And that was the same time. She was kind of debuting with the big album at the same time as Gaga. And I always leaned more Katie because it was like. Really? I don't know.

It was just like more. You didn't have to think so much about it. Yes, she's more like candy. It wasn't like, I'm artistic, but I'm not like Gaga high art in that era. For sure. You know what I mean? I think that's why I never resonated with Gaga. Only in the sense because I don't think I'm like intellectual enough to get it right right like the meat

statement i don't know what it was but i know it was a statement yeah i don't get it i just love fun pop that makes you feel good and like takes you out of like the depressive episode you're going through like california girls like i just like loved it before i even knew kate was saying it i was like i love the song um what oh but you were saying you know her from because i know from the documentary i just see that one clip of her where she literally finds out on text that she's getting divorced and then she like has to go on stage and she's like crying and like hyperventilating and then she's just like yeah yeah and i was like the peppermint dress yeah and it's almost like it's very sad but kind of like eerie too that it's like you just have to like literally be like this like yeah you have to

put the on switch on yeah and i and that was i just seen that little clip but it makes me do want to watch the documentary because i was like oh oh, there's so much. It's really good. I think that whole era of pop stars, even like Gaga and Katy, are like the last generation to be like almost produced characters. But you saw it was like 50-50. Like you saw still versions of themselves. They can answer questions in an interview. Like I think the Call Her Daddy thing was just like super low key for her. And she was just like, I don't care anymore.

I'm literally doing this for fun. And also like to make a dance pop album. Did she talk about her weight loss at all on the Call Her Daddy? I don't think so. Oh, she didn't. No. What do we think? She was very open.

Well, I don't know. I cannot. Yeah. She was very open because I was like, you look so good. And she was very open with me about it. So I didn't know if she talked about it. I think she also, she the same uh wellness program that i did um it's a program up in sonoma california um i'm just not gonna say the name because people can

figure it out but it's a place to go if you've ever had anything going on with like from your childhood like childhood traumas it kind of like helps rewire your brain and set you on a different track and like really like get to those core issues that you're going through yeah um actually joey did it as well years and years ago i think like five years ago yeah they do and they get to so i think like maybe when your life comes to like a culmination and like you're just like everything lines up maybe she just like looks great that way i don't know i mean she definitely she definitely like you can tell she's like in her happy space and all that stuff with her daughter and everything that just makes me like so happy for her because i just didn't know much and obviously when i met her i was like oh i love this whole thing but she was open about a previous

relationship like not liking her when she's like in girl boss mode who would never come to her show that was very like yeah i was like that's wild i mean assuming she's alluding to russell brand for sure you could tell he's like wacky. Wackadoo. He's even more wackadoo now. Have you seen him lately? Yeah. He's like on a, talk about cult. Go to his cult.

Oh, I don't know. I feel like, I don't know. Supposedly he's not. He looks like he stinks. Like B.O. Well, he is very, we'll just leave it at that. Yeah. Spooky.

Spooky is a good term. Very much so. Speaking of weight loss. Uh-oh. Did you see, you keep up in general, right? Yeah. So the big one this weekend was Nikocado Avocado. Did you keep up with him?

The thing is, I've kept up like from the, you know, TikToks and videos and whatever. And I know about him from the past, but I've never watched a full video through because it would make me so uncomfortable in a way. I don't know how people could watch a full, not in any sense that other than it's like how do you watch like that much of eating like for 40 minutes i guess it was entertaining he was like entertaining i think i saw one way back in the day and then he had like a breath mask or something on and that really scared me and it was like it didn't seem well and i'm like there's way more to the story really so even back then when you saw him did you think of him as like a troll or you thought

like he was just this like really unhealthy person? I think just like unhealthy mind, body, soul, spirit. What do you think now that it's been an all in act? I don't think that's changed. Really? I don't think it's an act. Because everyone thinks now he's, if you guys don't know, Nikkara Avocado, Muckbanger. He was originally vegan with his husband, Orlin.

They used to live in like Columbia. They used to have like a sloth as a pet. Like I watched him from way back in the day. Yeah. We have history. 2016, he made a series of exposed videos about me because I'll tell you on this one, too. I would take the blame. That's what I'm saying.

I just, like, love people who can take accountability, right, on their things. And I take full accountability on this. He was going to come to California. And I was like, oh, my God, we have to collab. So I guess he came. And I guess he came when only our collaboration set up. And then when he came, I, it was 2016. It was a rough year. I had a lot of rough years. And he came and I

I guess ghosted. I didn't know this term ghosted back then. I'm someone who just stops responding. It wasn't day of. It wasn't here's my address and then just like you don't hear from me. It was definitely like come to California, we'll collab. And then he came to California and I just was like scared to like reply. You got nervous. Yeah. I'm someone, I talk about this all the hot on the podcast and you can tell me your

thoughts i love when people just ignore me rather than tell me what the issue is right like if i go on a date and the guy's like oh you're chubbier than i thought like i'd rather just just ignore me just ghost me block me you know what i mean okay wouldn't you rather have that okay i'm so open though i'm like if you if you were to tell me something you don't like about me right now or something from the past, I'd be like, let's hash it out. Really? Yeah. I'm like, let's never talk about it.

Let's keep it moving. We got to work on that, Diva. Because I think it's just nicer. For me, like, oh, oh, oh. For instance, we were asking this influencer to be on the podcast or whatever. And I just assumed she just never replied and ghosted. And then Oscar's like, actually, they did reply. And they said no. And I was just like, even though it was just a no, never replied and ghosted. And then Oscar's like, actually, they did reply. And they said, like, no.

And I was just like, even though it was just a no, I still took it so personally. But I'd rather be like, just ghost me as if you didn't see the email or something. Can you believe out the name? You don't want her. Okay. No. Like, I feel like that personality is like a cat, like, only gets along with certain other. Yeah, I found out later that she, like, talked to Zach saying about me and stuff.

So I was like, okay, that makes sense. Which is, like which is like fine again i get why people talk to me i get it so it's like it's never an issue for me but um it was definitely one of those things where i'm like i'd rather be ghosted of course yeah i mean because that's so personal too yeah but you have to realize she's also said that about a couple other people you know right right yeah but but with the situation like have you ever had a collab fall through where you like you have it set up and they just like stop responding i don't collab with people so no but i get it i've seen it i remember seeing it in the past escape the night like they just don't show up or something oh god i mean we had so many difficult people to work on on that set oh so many so it wasn't just gabby i mean in terms of what gabby did yeah yeah it was just gabby but

there's been unprofessional people who are like more diva behavior that stuff i can handle like in my sleep really youtubers i just don't like when influencers are divas i think like i get it with celebrities but influencers like i'm sorry at the end of the day you're just like not a less celebrities even if you have more money more influence like you're just not johnny depp or brad pitt or angela jolie you know what i mean it's like you should be so lucky because influencers are only reliant on their audience like if alex Earl has no one following her, brands won't work for her. You know what I mean? So I think it's a complete thing. As opposed to like Chapel Roan, who's like just such a talent.

She doesn't like, you know, fans show up and stuff like that, but she's not reliant on her personality as opposed to me. I'm reliant on people liking me. So anyways, when those people have diva attitudes, I'm like, you're lucky people like you for doing mediocre makeup on YouTube. You know what I mean? So it's a whole other thing. You know, I think there's a way of saying it without being too blunt.

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Yeah, I guess I would just, kind of like when you guys never told me that YouTube rejected me you know and I just thought well they didn't want me or something like that I'm not gonna be like hey YouTube doesn't want you like you never asked me straight up so if you had asked me I would have been like but that's what I'm saying I would never ask I don't want the rejection I know I get it that's it's almost like a ghosting thing right I never got asked so I'm like I get it I don't need to know but then I was like it was eating me alive I was like I would like to know I'm sorry well it's not your fault I know it's I don't need to know. But then I was like, it was eating me alive. I was like, I would like to know. I'm sorry. Well, it's not your fault. I know.

It's not. But I do hang on to it. Of course. Because that's rejection from a place that you helped create. You helped create YouTube to what it is today. I think I take it more easily now that I know it's like YouTube that said it rather than like you. It would never be us.

Because I was like, oh, our friends. No, ever. Also, I'm sorry that you sat with that because that's never ever how it was it is what it is it is what it is and guess what you have your own talk show now so here we are in our basement it's not a basement it's the first floor but i call it a basement um no but nikahara he made a series of exposed videos i know that's why this title is like oh do we do exposing nikahara i don't know but we ended up um but yeah that was that was bad i did i he did come all this way and i and it felt bad and I wish I could make up to him.

Maybe I could pay him for that flight. I don't know. He said he flew first class and he was coming from Columbia and all stuff like that. So he, Mukbang King, he became a Mukbang King. Then we did collab in 2019. We collabed a few times. There, you made it up to him. It was great.

And then he got canceled because he had this drama with this other YouTuber. Do you know Stephanie Su? Yeah. Oh my God. Do you remember that? I did hear about that whole story. Recently or at the time? I recently heard about it, but I remember hearing about it back then too.

So me and Nekahato made up and I'm like, wow, the internet loves us. This is great. We're on the up and up. I was always the villain in this story, which rightfully so. I mean, it was a little crazy. People gave me a lot of hate for ghosting. I get it. But we finally became friends.

And then that whole stuff with Stephanie Sue happened. And I remember it was kind of like, I remember it was kind of like deja vu, deja vu right she said she like my whole thing and anyways we don't need to rehash it but that all happened and he became like a villain of like YouTube I guess he like gained all this weight but people are saying now he lost all the weight 250 pounds he's always said two steps ahead people think he's like this mastermind right he's like it was a social experiment it was all this but you're not buying it no eye roll like i hope you felt that eye roll there's no way first of all you're mukbanging on youtube you're not doing a social experiment like if you were doing that you'd be like a scientist or something at this point like

what is going on this isn't nasa we're not at ibm like you you did a gag you got on ozempic you lost the weight you think that's a lot of weight to lose. Where's the excess skin? Did you get the skin surgery? Well, you know what? In general, I thought of that. I was just like, where does the skin go when you lose so much weight? I've had friends who have lost it naturally and friends who have been on Ozempic that

were like lost maybe 150, 200 pounds. You need to get that surgery. So the skin's loose. Yeah. It can't ever go back in tight. No. i don't not that i'm fully aware of i want to say i think shane was open about talking about this because i don't think he ever talked to me public personally i think he got the skin removed like his skin removal didn't he always wear like compression shirts that like held everything in i think well i think that's what nick is doing now that's what i think oh he's

wearing the compression i think under his t-shirt, there's like either a buddy suit or something. I didn't watch enough of the video to see like that. I actually didn't know that either. I didn't know. But I also saw him like kind of jumping around and I didn't see anything like even with the shirt and stuff. Yeah, or his thighs. I feel like it could be a tell.

Right, or his thighs. Like if I lost weight, where would all my skin go? I don't believe it. There's no, I don't think anybody. No, because then there would be a whole series like follow my journey. Maybe there will be. Maybe something will come out. Follow my journey journey where's like the discovery channel series or something like that you know what i mean then i would believe it being smart but yeah is it like even

that genius to be like the so what is the social experiment does it he said something about a bunch of videos right i'm like okay well he's like the parasol's relationship i'm like but that's that was that's always been a given yeah so I don't know what the expose on that would be. Or even the fact that like, oh, people like you when you're skinny. That's also a known thing that's been out there. I mean, the sky is blue. Like, that's what it is. Right.

I remember when I was chubbier, I had less friends. Like, in middle school. Wait, were you chubby in school? Middle school, high school, I was like five foot eight until sophomore year. And then I shot up. And all of a sudden i'm popular and captain of the swim team wow like it's just right and now him his tiktoks are getting 60 million views 70 million views of him literally just like jumping around being skinny yeah i was

like first of all it is iconic in the sense i've always thought that i want to say i might have had this this conversation well i won't say who but well you can bleep it I think when we were we did a video together in like 2000 when I knew you so like 2021 or something like that and he's like you know but like for him to have a comeback if he lost a bunch of weight people would you know people tend to like cheer you on so like people are saying that with Nikocado right that he lost all his weight and everyone's really excited for him. So then there's always people like, well, don't forget he's also this bad person. But I think when you have a physical transformation like that, people do respect it more, I guess, respect you more.

Because all of a sudden people are like hyping up. Not to say he's not. I do think I'm like you where I'm just going to share my personal experience where I'm like he was always very nice to me after the whole thing and he seemed very smart and intelligent. So I'm not saying he's like this bad person. I would love him on the podcast i'm just i have so many questions like you said like how why like were you interested like him gaining so much weight like maybe there was for a reason because why else would somebody want to do that it can't be money alone no i mean i think the delivery of it as well just did not come off genuine to me the way that

you're trying to get like you're using the sound from a previous video and trying to have these viral moments instead of like somebody who's been through that is like it's a trauma for a body to go through oh you're saying the weight loss yeah and just the delivery of everything just seemed like there was like a hint of malice there like ha ha ha i won like this isn't a competition yeah you know what i mean i don't think he's trying to get like a show maybe like he is trying to be like this villain like I'm gonna be in a show possibly but I think times have moved on from that I think this is the flash in the pan really yeah I think it'll like I'm sure it'll launch a different part of his career in his life

but I don't know like is he gonna give weight loss advice like is he gonna become Richard Simmons you know what I mean like right right right but I guess still like yeah when he was even bigger he was was he this character the whole time i would have to say yes probably because you remember he would do those ones he's like i'm fat and he'd be so angry that was so scary those were scary but that was like when we do our mukbangs i look back i'm like he was completely like normal so i'm like i have to wonder is that a character was he always trying to was this his plan to be like i just think when you do a dramatic transformation weight loss like that it is shocking and it gets the views and the attention. Right.

Were people watching the videos over the past two years? Like actually like on YouTube? Yeah, I think they were doing pretty good. They seem to have like 400 to 500,000. Well, he disappeared for seven months and people had speculated that he was going to lose weight. But then he started posting videos again and like, oh, he didn't. But those were, I guess, pre-recorded. So everyone thought he lost 250 pounds in seven months.

But I guess he said he hasn't made a video in two years but he's back to doing mukbangs his first one back was like a noodle one and then he just did one with hungry fat chick without back steakhouse so it's like okay is he gonna gain it back or he's gonna teach people it might be actually because he had the bag in front of him oh and he didn't look snatched he looked good it might have been i love it maybe the truth is somewhere in between. Yeah. You know? And I don't see it. I think it's just like storyline. You don't think it's going to.

I think he's producing it. Like he's making it seem for something that it isn't. But just like 15 million views on the first video back and 3 million views after that. Like it is crazy. And our people just. I guess it's just the transformation that's so shocking. I think they're enamored. But I think it's entertaining.

And clearly you see it by the views. Yeah. You know? I think it was like that too. I remember when Anna Nicole Smith lost a bunch of weight and everyone was like shook. I know. They were like oh my gosh. R.I.P. Anna. I know. I love her so much. I love her too but also like it is like when you look back at Anna Nicole season one it's like she really wasn't even that big. No. She's a tall girl too and I was like she wasn't. You know what? F. Howard Stern. I went on America's Got Talent to talk to Howard Stern and I used to love him but like watching him actually like just totally degrade anna did you ever see that clip when she was on his show of course and he's trying to get her on the scale and she's like well why her and she's so like kind and sweet about it like she

doesn't even snap or any like it was oh she was so sweet he's like but why you wear those clothes she's like i i like the way i look like whatever and he's like get on the scale and she's like no and i oh man i kind of actually hate Howard Stern after that. I used to, like, love Howard Stern. I remember. But that's how, like, conditioned I was as, like, a kid to be like, oh, a man. And he, oh, if he thinks you're hot and attractive, then that's the end all be all. And then, honestly, like, I think when I started to realize how awful he was to Anna, but I

was conditioned to love Howard Stern, I realized how warped the system is and how we're, like, look to, like, idolize these men and stuff and give them so much power but I love that it's not the case anymore that misogyny is coming to an end a little bit yeah I mean it's always going to be there for women for sure um also you know Anna Nicole lived in Marilyn Monroe's house in Brentwood no I didn't know that and did you know that I broke into Marilyn Monroe's house what why okay I was 17 no no i just turned 18 right before my second semester started i had to do a story on something it was like my historical studies class in um at northeastern and i'm like i love marilyn monroe loved her since i was a kid first like some like it hot was like one of the first movies i remember seeing a little problematic this day though

a little problematic but also like um what's his name um tony curtis curtis like they're so funny it's so good um so i take my brother's id my brother was in war in iraq like had given me his id or no and maybe it was katrina it was something around there he gave me his id and was like we kind of look alike like in case you need to like get anything in boston or whatever oh okay yeah like go out so i'm like okay i'm going to wait what does he do uh he was in the military oh yeah but you're saying if you need anything in boston oh like if i needed to like go to a party or get alcohol because i was underage got it so i buy a plane ticket i go to la i'd always want to go i stay at the banana bungalow on san vicente i think in hollywood it's a hostel but it's like for students it's

chill it was like 20 bucks a night and i like start writing a story and i start like going to maryland monroe's um where she was buried and i'm like i'm gonna go to her house and at this time it was owned by the anna nicole smith trust nobody was there nobody lived there she had long past anna nicole or maryland yeah this was back in 1962 no um no so i go to the house at like 6 a.m in brentwood and i'm just like writing the story what the house looks like and like the history and whatever i jumped the gate i sit by the pool i'm there early morning the dues on the ground and i'm like wow like i can feel like an energy here it was so crazy like what what energy it just felt like

somebody was there is the one she passed away in maryland yeah and it's all like all natural now it's a historical building the new owners tried to knock it down but uh the historical society um didn't allow that which is crazy oh yeah more oh i know nicole's house was for sale the one she filmed the the thing in studio city yeah she filmed and i oh god i wanted to buy that so but it wasn't that long ago maybe 10 years ago or something it was up for sale. The one she filmed the thing in Studio City. Yeah. She filmed and I, oh God, I wanted to buy that. So, but it wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 years ago or something. It was up for sale. And it wasn't that much. It was like a couple million.

Cause I don't think there was a pool or it might've been a small pool. And it was, oh my God, I wanted to buy the house so bad. I would have been like, oh, just to be, I mean, this literally is Anna Nicole's bedroom. That's like what we had. Like I love, do you know Bobby Trendy? Yes. Have you seen him? Yes, I remember him from the show.

Who was just on that said they knew Bobby Trendy? Was it Sloan? Yeah. And I was like, wait like wait i love this everyone knows adam lambert or bobby trendy and i was like i love it that this is the thing i need to get in i need to get on it adam lambert's on broadway right now as the mc and we'll try to see him full circle from the beginning yeah maybe you could hit him up like do you remember when we made out hey remember when we met out at club lebon and at the standard in um new york city do you think he remembers probably not he was definitely drunk how do you remember oh you weren't drunk i wasn't i wasn't drinking i'm not a big drinker like i i never got it my dad's an alcoholic and i never wanted to get it so i like

i have like one sip of a cosmo and i'm like i'm ready to go oh man you know i got drunk for the first time this weekend i haven't been drunk it's an accident oh yeah i'm like ever yeah no i never was a drinker i was always a druggie i think i like drugs more you know what i mean but um i never i just don't love the taste of alcohol i always think it tastes like gasoline i like pina coladas but also you can give me a virgin one and an alcoholic one to me i'm like it's the same thing yeah i can taste a little bit like margaritas i can taste a little bit i like a virgin margarita virgin daiquiri but i had two lemon drops i don't even know what's in a lemon drop i had two and i was just like

i had to call moses i think that's like essentially a martini with like lemon liqueur like it's a lot of vodka i think god i had two and i was like buzzing i like came i fell asleep it was like lunch too i was like at lunch and i had it was literally down the street at the four seasons and i like hadn't was gonna get me because i was literally like it was like two minutes away i fell asleep at 4 p.m and woke up at like 11 a.m the next morning i was just like did i get roofied like what happened it was actually wild I forgot everything I think that's when we were watching the Mormon wives I remember I like came home and I was like and I was like watching it and I was just like I couldn't I couldn't focus on anything I don't think Mormons drink I don't think so

either no they don't they don't drink oh that's the whole thing because on the show they can't have coffee in the morning because they can't have caffeine so they get those dirty sodas yeah yeah oh my god I did I actually had a brand deal with um what's the company that makes the creamers that brand it's like they make the like fruit or pepper meat paper yeah it's something is it paper meat i don't know no i don't think it's paper it's something but it's like that weird i had a brand deal years ago before it was like it was just emerging as a trend and i'm like wait how is it still a thing it's like a whole thing there like putting in dr pepper or something like that yeah they have a whole like soda shops that give you like dirty dr peppers or something i love that you have to try it yeah the hater um can we talk

about tati yes yes do you know her are you friends with her i we've met she sent me product in the past but i don't know her personally now but i'm this whole situation is just what do you think about it the drama getting first of all i was so out of it and drama getting in 2019 i don't remember any of it so me and oscar just redid a whole deep dive on patreon where we watched it from the beginning and i'm like shook by all of it yeah i'm sure do you remember it were you oh i sure do i was not in it i was like an outlier because i had like obviously friends who were in it and drama getting two 2. Wait, what was the first one? I think the first one was your friends. Like Laura and Manny.

And then two was. This was Tati versus James. Oh yeah, I wasn't involved. And then Shane and Jeffrey. I was never involved in any of them. But like as somebody who was a friend in the first part. Jeffrey had his assistant at the time reach out to me. Because I had known her years before. And said we'd love to

have you and joey come over to the house to shoot a collab and i'm like i don't know you like that like at all oh we've never even met i think we met once at vidcon i'm like you're trying to get somebody who's close to these people oh when it was happening stab the knife in the stomach what was john mcgann one i have no idea what i don't even know and i don't care it was like it was all them flicking off the camera it was silliness whatever it was silly i mean who knows but that was dealt with but i'm like that's so weird like an older man to be like like what but aren't they all the same age isn't like no i think jeffrey's in his 40s no he's like 38 or 39 he's like a couple years older i'm gonna say 40 going to say 40. Okay. I don't think he's 40. Anyways, regardless, it's like, it was weird.

I'm like. So did you go? No. Oh my God. I thought I would never come back. I'd be like, like poof. But back then I feel like the collab, collabing was like very normal. I guess, but it was so weird because like, I, we were not like, we had our stuff fulfilled

from the same warehouse for a brand at the time. Oh, I remember. And merchandise. But like, I designed everything myself. stuff fulfilled from the same warehouse for a brand at the time and merchandise but like i designed everything myself it wasn't like you know i worked with i worked with the design team to do it they were just fulfilling the orders but i thought it was very odd um however this like i feel like brought everything back up again the tati yeah so she was on michelle fawn which is like so crazy michelle fawn was supposedly allegedly in a cult like two years ago yeah

crazy um she's very rich she sold her beauty brand for like a hundred million dollars or something yeah so why is she i don't even know the name of it i don't know what products they have like wasn't it like m like em or oh em cause m and then it's like angular yeah it's kind of everything i remember at the time i've never heard of it like i've never like seen the products out. But like if you're that rich, like why come back and make a podcast about drama? Bored. I would go like, I don't know. I would do something, go on a family trip or something.

Would you do? Go on a family trip, like go on vacation. For sure. I'm not going to start a podcast. I'm disappearing. But maybe if you have nothing, like maybe you want to be in the limelight. Maybe you have a new product launch coming up. Do you think she would?

Well, Tati's back. I don't think she was promoting anything. At the beginning half of the interview, I was like oh i felt for tati but then she kind of lost me when she brought the drama back up and was like i don't want this drama and i was like you know what are we talking about i think you need to take responsibility for what you did and she's in her 40s she's in her 40s late 40s i don't know whatever 40s yeah you're an adult you're hanging out with a 17 year old child yeah blame it on this person or blame it on another person you know who you're hanging out with you know what you're doing yeah you made your bed sleep in it sis no for sure you know

what i mean like that's why i said like watching john mcguire and i was kind of like damned and even in this one she's very clear about like oh he was 17 pursuing me i'm like let's listen to very weird honestly how dare you yeah and i feel like that's the problem and we see it a lot on the internet like people blaming the younger person or like thinking they're weird or something like that and i was like that's not weird it's like you're the one weird then that you thought it was weird but then pursued it and used it and just be honest about it be like i was acting weird i saw this kid who was about to blow up and i wanted to i wanted to be a part of that you know that coin yeah for sure like again yeah honesty goes so long and i feel like i hate when people can't own up to their was about to blow up and I wanted to I wanted to be a part of that you know that coin yeah for sure

like again yeah honesty goes so long and I feel like I hate when people can't own up to their part of it because there's always two sides what is it seven years later six years later it is crazy and like that's what's frustrating I was like at least own up to it a little bit you know what I mean um and that yeah that was unfortunate but you know like you said maybe there's something new coming out a a new product. I guess some people grow, some people don't, and some people just want to get back into it. That's what scares me. I'm like, oh, my God, I don't want to be the drama forever.

You know what I mean? Because it's like I know I'm not one of those people about ages. Like, you know, drama can be at any age. But it's like I don't want to be a real housewife at 50 and just like, you know, throwing my drink. There are so many things happening. Or am I going to be a tati? Am I going to go on, you know, Shane's podcast in five years and talk about drama from, you know. Please don't.

Don't do it. No. Talk about conspiracies. No. You're the one with the podcast now. You have the mic. Literally. Yeah.

Any final words of wisdom? How you're doing? Have you been on full coverage yet? Yeah. A couple times. Oh, you have. Okay. Yeah.

I think I'm like a three-time three-time returning guest are you the most popular on there i think so yeah people love i mean we just have a good banter like we have we're just chatting you know some and we both give yeah you know what i mean and so from here you're going to italy i go to italy tonight i'm so excited i'm gonna be i have a shoot in rome i have a work thing in Rome. A shoot? I have a fragrance campaign in Rome. Wait, for your own fragrance? No, my second one.

So I. Wait, your second one? My second fragrance campaign. For who? For a brand. But you're in it. Yeah, yeah. I'm the model.

For what? Can you say it or no? Do not look at my Instagram ever. I do. I always look at my Instagram. Wait, what is it for? No, I mean, I've been the face of a lot of things because i've i modeled since i was in college like i had a hugo boss campaign for two years um i did a fragrance with um a face of um i did campaign for amouage

which is a gorgeous it's from dubai actually i think or the middle east you're gonna model in italy yeah oh my it's just a quick shoot i mean it's a social it's a it's a campaign yeah but like people who get brand deals they're not like being the face of it like yeah i mean it's also a social thing it's not like plastered everywhere oh my god but it's like my own thing i'm doing a thing with um god what's that company i forget anyways i have like i'm shooting a bunch of content out there i'm taking i'm taking my number one hater series abroad we're gonna do italy we're gonna do a bunch of restaurants then i'm working with virgin voyages i'm doing a cruise with them and um doing a tiktok series with them as well wow and then i'm finishing a couple things i'm

writing out there oh my that is amazing and it's like you know you always hear about the modeling industry and being like if you're not like 20 years old you're like too old to model like the fact that you're still doing this like is actually still doing i feel like i've just come into my own yeah and like you're like lucky blue smith over here no no it's it's it's not it's also a totally different world of like runway modeling i did that when i was 20 but this is just like social campaigns and it's still an honor i did when i was like i did in new york when i worked for i did new york fashion week and everything but i was like would you not do it anymore no now i'm too old i think no i think the ralph lauren one i think lucky was just in it yeah isn't he i'm just the I did New Year Fashion Week and everything, but I was like – Would you not do it anymore? No. Now I'm too old, I think.

No. I think the Ralph Lauren one, I think Lucky was just in it. Yeah. Isn't he? Aren't you guys the same age? I feel like he's – I think he's a couple years younger, but – He's running. He's running.

He's walking. I like doing my own thing, and I'm not on that level. I would love to do a runway. Liza Koshy was just on a runway. Was she? Like yesterday, she was on one for something. She's really short. She's really short, which is –

Yeah. Wow. That's why – Good for her. That was her first one. She's crushing it. Her and Emma, they're like just everywhere doing everything. I love her Vogue interviews. I think they're so good. They's really short. She's really short, which is like, wow, that's why it was her first one. She's crushing it. Her and Emma, they're like just everywhere doing everything. I love her Vogue interviews. I think

they're so good. They are so good. I know Liza was the original and then I guess Emma's doing it now. I want you to be on the Met Gala carpet interview. I can imagine. It would be so funny because everybody's so boring and like deadpan on that carpet. I'm like, you would bring like laughs to it. I would love it so much. I'd get

my dress designed. Wasn't H&M doing dresses this year and i was like that's random fashion over does my dress at the met gala i love that a million dollar campaign yeah that'd be everything i'm available i'd love to go to the met maybe we'll be there together maybe we'll see each other there remember that year they brought all the influencers and they kind of flopped and they never invited influencers not that the influencers flopped i remember that's the problem but i'm not saying i'm any better it's also up to the designers to what you wear which is unfortunate like the designers pay for the the seats at the table which is like fifteen thousand dollars a pop per person at a table i think there's 10 people at a table so that's what like 150 grand per brand and then they put you in whatever they want like you don't have a choice yeah oh that makes sense for the

most part i believe that's how it normally works for like the attendees i wonder the theme will be next year who knows i like fashion i'm into i don't wear any fashion i want like a musical theme one day oh my god that'd be so everybody from a different musical then you would have to be i feel like people would love that like yeah like hollywood would love it yeah that would be real camp to me oh yeah because the campier flop for sure. That was bad. I love a camp, but. I'm back in November, which is crazy.

Oh, my God. Well, congrats on everything. Thank you so much. I know you can't even talk about what you're going over there for and what's happening. No, I can. I'm working on a book right now, and I'm super excited. I think that's going to be so exciting. You told me this and that stuff, and I was like, this is where it's at.

I'm proud of it. It's like, you know, you find that one thing that's like you just need to do that you're going to do, and it's like your heart. That's like where I'm at. Well, you're like absolutely glowing. Like, this is like, as soon as I saw you, I was like, oh, my God, you find that one thing that's like you just need to do that you're going to do. And it's like your heart. That's like where I'm at. Well, you're like absolutely glowing. Like this is like so as soon as I saw you, I was like, oh, my God, this is the Daniel. I love you at the coziness. You had your good vibes.

And even though your hat says hater, I know that I'm a lover for life. So you guys, we're going to go do a crumble cookie review. Your TikTok is just Daniel Prater. Mr. Prater. Mr. Prater. Mr. Prater. Number one hater approved. Yes. Thank you. It was just Trish. Was it number one hater approved yes thank you for having me

it was just Trish was this number one hater approved it's always been approved I'm so happy thank you for having me thank you for coming to fill in thank you guys for watching and we'll see you in the next one

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