Just Trish - Pokimane Addresses Cookie Controversy & Drama with Charlie MoistCr1TiKaL

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

On episode 82 of 'JUST TRISH'--the queen of streams Pokimane is here, and she's opening up like never before. For the first time ever, Poki finally addresses the controversy over her Myna cookies caused by xQc and Charlie (MoistCr1TiKaL / penguinz0). Plus, Poki also discusses her scary stalker experiences, and how the toxic Twitch drama inspired her to help uplift her fellow female creators.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Shout out to the sponsor of today's episode. That is SeatGeek. Woo, SeatGeek. Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app. Hey guys, welcome back to the Jess Trish podcast today. I am so excited. I'm so excited. Oh my God. One of my favorite obsessions ever. I can't believe she's here. Gotta catch them all. Pokey main or Pokemon. Just call me Pokey. So how do you say it? Do you say like, just call me Pokey. Don't even, don't stress, sweetie pie. Don't stress. Just say Pokey. It is stressful because I was like looking to make sure I got it right.

And I heard you on a podcast say, everyone says Pokey Mane, but it's Pokey Mon because your name's actually Iman, which I actually didn't know either. And I was like, wow, I'm learning so much already. I don't mind when people say Pokey Mane. I'm like, that's like, if you were reading it in English, that's how it would be read. So it makes sense. It's cute. But Pokey's even cuter. And we've been calling you Pokey. We're like, Pokey. I love Pokey. It's like a little nickname. I'm like, that's like, if you were reading it in English, that's how it would be read. So it makes sense. Yeah. But Poki's even cuter. And we've been calling you Poki. We're like, Poki. It's like a little nickname. Do you like it? Yeah. I feel friendly with everyone when

they say Poki. I'm like, this is it. Especially because like growing up, I always wanted a nickname, but my name's Iman. Like you can't really shorten it or do much with half the people can't even pronounce it. So I'm like, you know, but now I get a nickname and it's Pok or do much with it. Half the people can't even pronounce it. So I'm like, ah, you know, but now I get a nickname and it's Pokey and I love it. And your name is so perfect. I didn't know it was pronounced Pokemon because your name, I was like, that's actually so perfect. Oh my God.

I kind of live for it. My little like 17 year old pun, you know, I was like, I really did something. Is that when you came up with it? When you were 17? Oh my gosh. Okay. I need to get like, cause I'm sure a lot of people are familiar, but I just need to get into like the background of where you came to be. Honestly, I'm shocked you even knew who I was and honored. Cause you're

like, you're an internet icon. Oh my gosh. Thank you. But you are the it girl. You are everything everywhere. But I'm honestly excited to tell you everything. Like I want to tell you all the streaming tea, everything about my life, literally whatever. I love it. I'm just in like such a great, like, I'm in the perfect place in my career where I'm like, yeah, I'll say whatever. No, and you, but you're like that. That's what I love about you.

You're actually so real because so many people are so concerned about like, oh my God, I don't want to make, you know, say the wrong thing, whatever. But you're so truthful. You're a truth teller. Actually, one of the biggest reasons that I just was dying to come on the podcast is because when you guys mentioned me specifically, I remember you said, oh, she's so sassy. I love her. And I was like, she gets me. Because no one's real like that. I love. And that's something, frankly, like I struggle with. Like sometimes I lose myself because sometimes people take some sassiness as like meanness or they're like, oh, you're sassy. That means anytime you're nice, that's

fake. And I'm like, no, like I mean everything I say. Like when I'm really sweet, like I'm so excited and sweet and happy. And if I clap back, like I clap back. I'm not a robot. I love a clap back. I love it. Especially in this age, no one claps back. You know what I mean? That's why I totally respected it with like the cookies and all that stuff. I'm like, you know, I'll apologize. Of course, if I ever offend anyone, like that's never my intent. When you're like, I love her sassiness. I'm like, that is me.

And it's so real. So when you do get like, when you do get like so much attention, right, for a clap back, like the cookie thing and the money and all that stuff like that. Do you actually like ever get like anxious or are you just like that's not what i meant like people should know this um it's tough to say it's almost like girl i like split myself into two you know there's like me at home who's like wait what yeah and then of course like publicly i have to think through things and if i ever apologize like i will never fake an apology. I need to mean it. So I really had to get to a point where I'm like, even though I know my intention, even though my audience or my

community gets it, once a joke or some, some comment that you make gets to people who, who take it differently or interpret it differently, you really have to reflect and say like, oh, maybe I did let people get to me. And of course I'll apologize if whatever happened was not at all what I intended or what I meant. And that was very the case so I'm like yeah I do regret saying certain things if it wound up that way so but it's always like I feel like too and you say in like fun and like just right like I feel like people like just don't get it also I feel like because you are a girl not to be that person but we are that podcast you know what I mean where it's really that podcast where we have to call out like just really the like blatant misogyny of it all right it's big. You really are that podcast. I'll say that much. Where we have to call out like just really

the like blatant misogyny of it all right. It's like a girl doing this stuff you get called out by all these men and it's like no matter what even if you were like in there wrong it makes me like want to come to your defense because I'm like all these guys attacking you for like but literally like nothing big. It's not like you did anything crazy. You feel like big sister like just take me under your wing. Yes yes it's like protect me. And you hurt Poki. And you are. You're just so, like, sweet and, like, I don't know. And you hold your ground. I just want to have a good time. No, but really, like, I do very much feel guilty if anyone, like, gets offended.

That's the last thing I ever want to do. Like, I'm here for a good time. Not an offensive time. No. So, yeah, I really, I never mind, like, apologizing or bending the knee or whatever it is. But what do you feel? But I appreciate the people who get me yeah and and get that my intention would never be bad and so many people love you but do you feel like and you are friends with so many we talked about this too

like you're okay so if you guys don't know pokey main is like literally like the gamer girl like you are you not only are like dominate the gaming world as far as like females but also just males too and then you also started like your own streaming your own like uh company to help streamers and stuff like that so yeah actually that's something not a lot of people know about me and so i think um when i launched mina some people were confused but i uh i co-founded a management firm i've co-launched other companies i co--owned a clothing brand. Like I just love business and business ventures. And I find it so fun and enjoyable. And sometimes I'll like help in creating something and just like pass it on to people because I kind of like the challenge. I've always been really interested in business. So I think when people don't know that

part of my career or that history, sometimes they'll see something else. They'll be like, oh, this is like a cash grab or something else. i'm like yeah we gotta talk about the story behind there's so many things we could talk about even from there we got so much to talk about so okay so you start these companies i guess let's go back from the beginning meaning yes so you're because we're just like so it seems so opposite but at the time when i saw you i was like no we're so connected because you're like a gamer girl you're into like science math which if you watch the podcast like i'm always like math science who needs? But you're such that girl. I got you.

Not everybody needs it, but I got you. Yeah, no, I mean, because you studied, was it chemical engineering? Yes, I studied chemical engineering. Which is, what even is that? I don't even know. That's a great question. Funnily enough, I actually went into chemical engineering because I loved the idea of product creation, like creating makeup products. Wow.

Yeah, chemical engineers are part of like all of these processes. And back in the day, before I even saw streaming or content creation as a viable career, I was just like, I want to make cool shit. And I wanted to bring value to people. And so that's why I was studying ChemEng. And then, well, I took a year off and never went back. Okay. So, okay. So you actually, you were born in Morocco. Yes. And then you came to Canada. So your first languages were Arabic and French. Yeah. So when did you know, when did you learn English? So I grew up in, or I was born in Morocco, which a lot of people don't know, is in North Africa, like beside Egypt and Algerian stuff.

And then I immigrated to Canada with my family. And so French and Arabic were the languages that I first learned. And Canada is like a bilingual country. So depending on where you grow up, you might be going to a French school, which I did. So I started learning English in like the second-ish grade. And then I did immersion in grade seven and eight, which is basically like half of your classes are in French and half of them are in English. Yeah. Oh my gosh. This could totally be coping. This could be the biggest excuse ever. But I swear sometimes my delivery of things sounds harsher than I intended because I feel like when you speak French, like people are just very blunt and they speak very quickly.

That's kind of part of the language culture. Every language kind of has a bit of a different culture or undertone. And so I find that sometimes being ESL is not helpful in those instances. Also Arabic too can kind of come across like aggressive. I don't know the language, but I'd say more like people are very like jokey or like casual, at least Moroccans, like we don't take much seriously, you know? So yeah, that is very much part of my personality. And sometimes, unfortunately, it does not translate well. Right. So now you're like into English and you're like, you have a little bit of jokey.

You have a little bit of the Parisian. Of like the bluntness. Yeah. A little bit of it all. That makes actual like total sense. And I feel like nobody, I would not like look at you and think that, that you knew all those languages, that you came from all those countries. When I learned that, I was like, wow, that's actually like to me, just like a valley girl,

like just Beverly Hills princess over here. And was like wow okay that's really some like depth to it so you moved to Canada and that's where you go to school you go to high school and you're not doing content creation in high school right so I started streaming part-time my last year of high school like senior year near the end of the year how does that work you go to school and then you come home and stream yeah and were you making money then barely like I didn't I never ever envisioned it to be a career path it was just like I don't have enough friends that game back then gaming was not cool really actually no not at all I feel like it's such a cool thing now I know but back then like no one in my high school would game I literally did not have a single other girlfriend that gamed and I was like I just want people to play with I would mainly play with people either from neighboring

high schools or just people I met online wow yeah and so streaming to me was actually was like a social media where I'm like who wants to play games oh my and what were you on were you on YouTube streaming or where was it just Twitch oh oh so you were like starting with Twitch before you became even like partner yes way way way before there's so much twitch drama i was trying to keep up with it because i was i never kept up with it in the meantime it's so funny like i swear out of all the platforms like twitch thrives off of drama the most and you've been in and out of it like not even just you intentionally but you're like okay twitch doesn't know what it's doing okay i'm back on twitch and i'm like what is happening over there yeah are we are we on twitch now are we off twitch so now we are doing whatever

we want sometimes i'm on twitch sometimes i'll be on tiktok sometimes i'll be on literally i'll stream wherever whenever but back uh for the honestly for like my whole career i didn't do that like i never streamed on other platforms and i was exclusive to twitch for a really really long time yeah i had like an exclusivity contract and that ended so now i'm like i'm free as a bird okay so you can kind of just go anywhere and everything that's were you on the billboards for it or anything like that like you know twitch used to make like billboards in times square what amphrodite was on it yeah yes yes they did like this animation yeah and they put that billboard up but you know I realized you

were never like the face because you like to me you are the face of gaming like I don't even know actually I was on the like when you would download the twitch app on the app store oh you were like the head okay because I was like you're definitely like spokesperson and I know nothing about twitch at all I was just like all I know is that you twitch on there you stream on there I do be well it is just crazy to look back on you know everything honestly all my 20s were like so devoted to this platform and this community and are you strictly gaming so in high school are you strictly gaming on twitch so when do you are you strictly gaming on Twitch? So when do you, because what I love, and I love ASMR, you also did ASMR. So when do you like make that? I wanted to talk to you about that.

When I found out that's how you started, I was like, well, I guess you didn't. I guess you technically started on gaming, but I thought ASMR was your first thing. No, I just like, I've just a little bit like you. I've just done so many random things online. Like I'm just here for fun. And you're still doing it. You're like, I'm doing a podcast. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do, I'll do some TikToks.

I'm just having a good time. Are you? I hope you are. But yeah, I, it was way into my career. Actually, when streaming started popping off a lot more, I've always been a huge fan of ASMR. Like, especially when I'm really anxious, it's like the only way that I can fall asleep. And, you know, when my community like started really, really taking off, I was like, I kind of just want to like try ASMR for fun.

And funnily enough, people just like when anyone does ASMR. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I started toying around with it and then I made a channel and it garnered like a fair bit of attention which I was really surprised but it also got to a point where I felt like I couldn't consistently upload there with everything else that I was trying to do and I have so much respect for ASM artists like people don't know the amount of effort it takes to make like a really good video and for me I kind of have that personality where if there's a lack of progression, I get bored. And I'm like, I can't keep upping the production value because it would

just take up so much of my time. So I was like, you know, it was a good time while it was. Let's move on to something new. How long were you doing that for? I would say a year or two. What's better than a well marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well marbled ribeye sizzling I would say a year or two. Oh, so pretty short-lived because a lot of your re-uploads are on there and stuff like that. I've never really said this explicitly, but I deleted or I hid, privated every video on that page. Yeah. Even though it had like so many views and I was surprised how many people were interested. And why did you private them? I mean, maybe you'll have a good perspective on this.

But frankly, I kind of went through a phase where I was so tired of the fact that I'm in such a male dominated industry it to some people gives them enough reason to sexualize me in ways that i just really despise and i was also really concerned that unfortunately asmr is another thing that people sexualize a lot so i'm like i don't want to like double give people reasons to and i yeah I think I just started feeling not so great about it and worrying that people were viewing the content negatively, even though that's never my intention. And I never did anything inappropriate with the, with that content. Yeah. Yours was so clean.

You're very much just like tapping. Yeah. I love it. So we're like, it's so. It's not even like spit painting or anything. You're like tapping, you know, like what? That's so weird. But at the end of the day, I'm sure if you've spoken to any ASMRtists, like that's a huge issue within that community.

And I feel for them so much. And I'm like, girl, I don't know if I can fight two battles at once, you know? I feel like you're constantly battling that though, right? People just like sexualizing. You could just exist and it's like people are sexualizing you which is what why that's it's just so weird to me like i don't think anyone deserves to be sexualized but you're also just like the way you present is just like innocent and so it's not like you're trying it freaks me out sometimes i'm like is that why people want to do it more it's like even more perverted i don't frankly i don't know and i don't care i'm just like i do everything i can legally or otherwise to stop that shit do you do you now yeah and it's like

with every year i learn new ways to protect myself thankfully um and i always hope to kind of pass on that information and knowledge to others who deal with similar issues because it just sucks yeah yeah i just think it's like so hard i saw you have people that moderate your comments so you don't even see so half of the comments you were saying right so you don't have to deal with that stuff but i know i saw a stream where people were asking you about doing of and stuff and you were just like so often and you're like stop asking me that that's like asking me to take off my clothes like and it's i think sometimes people don't think through the things that they're asking and i'm like you might think it's an innocent question but realistically in a way you're, hey, can you please get naked and

let me pay you? You had such a good response to it because everyone's like, you're going to make millions. You're like, I already do. And I was like, that is such a good response. Thank you. I didn't know you saw that. Frankly, my whole career, I've always tried to kind of like make a joke a joke to make a point yeah make a joke make a joke to make a point um because again like I never want to offend people and I don't want to like be so defensive but I want to be like can you please not um I know you did OF and I so wanted to ask you about that and it's another thing where it's like don't you think if someone like really wanted to they just would they would just do it and the pressuring of someone to do it is like crazy especially because that's never been your brand

like I feel like me I've always done like sex work and stuff so it kind of made sense but like for someone that's never done it to like pressure them it's like such a weird thing to me yeah and I also I didn't want to be so like know about it in the sense of like implying that it's anything bad because it's not like that at all like I very much support support sex workers i think it's like i think true freedom for women is being able to and to not whatever you want regarding anything really and so i really wanted to ask you like what took part in your decision to do it and to stop you know it just i always felt like something i wanted to do right like i just always was like that person i used to watch like films when i was younger and i you know it just I always felt like something I wanted to do right like I just always was like that person I used to watch like films when I was younger

you know I was like a stripper and I'm like I just seemed like a natural progression when like OF took off I was like yeah I want to do this and I did it for like

four months and it was fun and it was great and then I was kind of like okay I'm kind of over it but I feel like that's what I'm saying I feel like

I feel like we're kind of similar and I'm like I'm over it now like it was fun ASMR too I think I did ASMR for like a year and a half and I loved it

but it is so much work it is but people are re-uploading your ASMR like that's how I saw it yesterday and I'm like they're getting millions of views no way

yeah that's why I was like you should put your channel back up and you know I know the people who are being weird and perverted I mean that's like on them because it's like

really so odd have you been getting that from like day one just for less of a better word like creeps kind of to be honest like I've been online since I was like 11 I love the internet like there I know everything that's crazy yeah I've been just like such an avid viewer and consumer of internet content way before it

ever became my job so I always knew like yeah there's weirdos out there and frankly I think I had an easier time ignoring a lot of it for a very long time it's just as things progressed it got to a point that it was like just really overwhelming and detrimental to my mental health so just about like kind of picking and choosing your fights figuring out what you're okay with and what you're not and sometimes that changes with time like when you're young and just kind of going through it you probably don't think about those things as much but But as I've grown older, I'm like, oh, I, I want to be a bit more selective with what I choose to do. And it's like you, after you stop being naive, like you can't go back to being naive.

Right. Yeah. Then you like, but you are still so young. So it's like just learning it and like, but to be on at 11 is like actually so wild to me. So what were you watching at 11 years old? At 11, I was gaming a ton. Like I was playing MMORPGs. If you don't know what that is, it's like the kind of games where you make a character online. Oh, okay. I don't know. Okay. You like talk to people and maybe you fight things and you have cute outfits and all this stuff. Is it like Sims or is it like, I don't know. The thing of the difference with Sims is that Sims, you can't talk to other players. Oh, okay.

In MMOs, you like, you literally make a little character and you walk around like a village or something and you talk to other people who are doing the same thing. So fun. Oh my God. And then like after school, you like meet up and hang out with them. Dude, in high school, I swear, like I was living Hannah Montana life. Oh my God. Do people know the people you went to school with? Most of them know because my content only took off afterwards.

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anyone who might also have immigrant parents might be able to relate. They were a bit stricter. And so for them, it's like, we're just happy as long as you're indoors. Like you're not out partying with boys or whatever. You could do whatever you want on your little PC thing. Yeah, it's like you're getting straight A's anyways.

Like they'll just, they didn't care that much much yeah and as long as you're here before sunset all good and you're like i'm here all day i'm like i'm definitely gonna be here and now what do they think what tell me one time um i don't know what your high school dances were like but mine were raunchy like really the raunchiest we grew up in a little bit of a different time ours was very just dancing like this people were like giving bjs in the dance floor actually our specific high school year got dances banned from our school oh my god for like a year because they were just too bad and a lot of kids were getting like alcohol poisoning what anyways and this is in canada yeah shout out canada oh my gosh i swear i have this theory

that like the more boring this the town is the crazier the people get oh for sure because there's nothing else to do yeah they're like we're gonna do what oh my gosh anyways our dances were so crazy that because i was on student council i'd help run them so I could go technically. Yeah. But I knew my dad like really didn't want me to go. So at one point I started saying stuff like, OK, if you give me like a $50 gift card to this online video game, I won't go to the school dance. Oh, wow. And he would pay up straight.

That's nothing for $50. Yeah. I would do this for my daughter too. I'm like, OK, stay home. Yeah, exactly. Now I was happy. I was like, well, stay home. Yeah, exactly. Now I was happy. I was like, well, I get to buy a little outfit on my little game. You were a business person back then.

You're like, here's how we're going to do this. That's amazing. Because you're playing this game where you're paying to be the clothes and stuff like that. You're like, that's what's so smart about these games like Fortnite, like buying all these emojis and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, the aesthetics. Oh, that's what gets you. Oh, I'm learning now. I just started playing Fortnite like a month ago and i'm just like oh it's fun

like when the weekend was on there i was like let me buy and then it was like so expensive and i was just like oh my god you're buying all these skins and all the stuff like that um like computer or console yeah i'm on a computer because we do it for like gaming purposes like video purposes oh i'm horrible i literally just learned to pick up a weapon the other day. Don't say that. Don't say that. There is no bad at games. There's just new or not new.

That's it. We're definitely bad. We played Five Nights at Freddy's on Fortnite and we didn't even know how to get out of the room. It's okay. One step at a time. Like everybody starts there. Legit.

Like everybody starts bad. Oh, I'm still bad. We've done it like four or five times on Fortnite. I'll coach you anytime I got you. Oh, you were in the thumbnail for one of our Patreon videos. People thought you were in the gaming. I wish I could be. We were talking about it.

We're like, I wish Poki was here. No, Trisha, like I would die for you. On Fortnite? In general and on Fortnite. But like I've been following just like all of your eras and it makes me so happy. That's crazy. I feel like you're really being given your flowers now as you deserve.

And I feel like this podcast is like the perfect thing you can do because you're so easy to talk to. You're just so bubbly and welcoming. And I love it. I love it. Thank you. That's so nice.

I felt that way with you. Like I had seen just like a lot of podcasts you've been on and stuff like that. And you've like mentioned my name and I always get so excited because you are like this it girl. And I always think, again, we're like on opposite sides of the internet.

I'm like, oh, she'll never want to talk to me. So when we first DM'd, I was like so excited. I are like this it girl and I always think again we're like on opposite sides of the internet I'm like oh she'll never want to talk to me so when we first dm'd I was like so excited I know your way of the internet I love this part because this is the kind of content that I consume the most like I don't really watch gaming videos as much now really yeah which is why I'm like streaming a bit less dabbling in other things because I mean like gaming isn't the only facet of my personality you know to me I don't even I know you as a gamer because everyone knows you as but then when I was looking at all this other stuff you do I was like oh she does so much more I love to do everything that's like the joy of life yeah that's just variety and you're doing a podcast now but and I think it's been the same with you with all the things you've dabbled in but I'm like that's what makes you you just trying

stuff out it's also just fun like you don't want to get bored and it's just like fun to do that kind of stuff and I think you really came across my radar I've always obviously known who you are but and you pronounce it Mina yes what is Mina so cute that you bought those like I would have brought them if you wanted oh my god we bought them the first time when they came out when all the controversy was happening and then we just bought them again because we genuinely like them and we said that on the podcast too we're actually like these are like good cookies, you know? And I'm not just saying that. We said it before we even knew you were coming.

Thank you. So you came across the, you were like popping with these cookies. Everybody was talking about them. And I'm like, what is, what's happening with these cookies? Honestly, like the last thing I expected. The blow up of it all? Everything that happened. Last thing I expected.

But I am open and ready to answer whatever question you have. This is actually like the first time I'm talking about it post everything because like people had asked me to do interviews and all this stuff and I'm like it's just not the vibe but your podcast is the vibe it's the vibe yeah and we wanted to be fun and cute it's a safe space it's a safe space for sure because I was so like shocked at how many people like came for you like just even like mainstream guys and stuff like that I was just like because why were they coming for you originally because of the pricing is that what it was yes so it's a couple things the pricing was one of them and I want to be very so we sold them at $28 for four bags um and the reason we did that is because like

we're a startup even at that price point i want to be very clear like we were not making money yeah the margin startup like you don't expect to make money for years you're just hoping that you're building something cool enough that maybe it'll pay off in like 10 years and so when people were coming at me for that i'm not gonna lie i think like it hurts so much because I'm like I've built such a reputation like I've been in this in this career and industry for so long I had so many opportunities to do cash grabs and I never ever did like that's a really that's something that I hold very close to my heart like I try to be very considerate of my audience never promote things that I'm like

unsure of or don't know where the money's coming from or if it's good and so to have people try to kind of care like assassinate my character in that way I do think it hurt quite a bit um but yeah the price point was one of them and that was just because we were starting if we sold them at any other price point like the shipping would have just not made sense it would have been so bad but now that you know we're a little bit further along we can sell them like per bag through amazon through other retailers and obviously it's like much cheaper that way it's like seven dollars but that's so complicated to be a seller on amazon like it's actually the whole process it takes a lot of work and you can't just like do that right

off the bat wow okay so but i was like thinking and i remember that and i remember when you did the math you're like you said you're selling it for what 28 28 but there's four bags so it's like seven dollars a bag yeah and like for those of you who don't know math and I was like literally me because I was like oh that makes sense because I thought it was like 27 for one bag I was being a little too sassy but also when I'm streaming like it's just me and my audience yeah like I forget that other people are watching yeah I just like me, again, it was such a serve. But also like real because I did not know. Like I'm like not a math person at all.

So I was just like, oh, well, when you break it down, like it actually whatever. Yeah. I think it also, cookies or any snacks, the price point depends a lot on like the quality of the ingredients. And so for me, it was so important that they be kind of like better for you and have healthier ingredients. And we can talk a little bit about why, but yeah, that was one of the reasons why. So I understand people are maybe comparing them to other things, but I'm like, the reason why it's more expensive is because we really wanted like gluten-free organic,

like really, really healthy ingredients. Which I didn't know about all of this either. So the, so you made these. It says like GMO free free, gluten free, good source of vitamin D. Okay. Like a lot of organic ingredients. All this stuff. Yeah. All this stuff I don't know. I just know it sounds healthy. So, okay. But that's what was also so interesting to me because when we were talking in the DMs, we were talking about this, that you did have a PCOS diagnosis. Oh, yes. And that no one knows about. And so that, and you had to start this health journey, which has led you to making healthy cookies. So when you got the diagnosis, were they like, okay, cut out everything in your diet basically? Yeah. So I've never spoken about it publicly because I was diagnosed like a year

or two ago, but I've had irregular periods my whole life. And I've been talking to doctors about it my whole life. And it's crazy to me that it was only until I was like literally in my mid-20s that a doctor could say, oh, actually it's because you have PCOS. Wow. Also, side note, I have the same gynecologist as Rihanna. Oh, that's a slay. I know. That is such a flex. How did you know? Because I heard her mention how much she loves her gynecologist in an interview recently. And I was like, who's a good gynecologist? So I went to look him up and it was the same name as mine no way oh my gosh wait so you already were going to this person before it's a boy or him or her it's a lady okay i love that yeah for some reason i'm getting a lot of boy gynecologists they're they're just good but i don't know girls might be better

great oh my gosh okay and she diagnosed me with pcos and i mean i'm not sure how much people exactly know what that is there's there's like a range of symptoms that it can or can't be. And I think we should talk about it because so many people like a lot more people are talking about having it and a lot of people don't know what it is, including me. I didn't know. The first person I heard influencer was Mr. Mee Ashton was talking about having PCOS. She was one of the first influencers I also heard talk about it.

And I was like, wait, what is that? So I looked it up for people to know it's polycystic ovary syndrome. So it's your ovaries. Okay. So what, and what else does it entail? How did you know, how did they know? How do you diagnose that? So in the past, people would only diagnose it if you were, if you struggled with like really severe symptoms that can occur. Like if you're overweight, if you have acne, hair loss, or too much hair gain, like things that happen when you have a hormonal imbalance but the truth of it is yes those are symptoms that you can have but you can have like a wide range of symptoms you can have none of those symptoms and just have like irregular periods the way that i like to describe it is like essentially i am hormonally sensitive like

if i'm not taking really really super specific good care of my body, I'm just not going to get my period. My first year of engineering, like my first entire year when I was like 18, 19, I didn't get my period once. Just a hormonal imbalance. I'm just very hormonally sensitive. If I stress too much, if I don't eat very clean, like if any of these things, I lose my period entirely. It's just gone by. Crazy because you weren't overweight. You didn't have acne.

You weren't losing your hair. So you didn't have. And so doctors didn't want to like further look into my case at all. I did ultrasounds. I did blood tests. I did everything. They just kept telling me like, go on the pill, go on the pill. And the pill can help people, but it doesn't like, it doesn't help you better understand

your body. And it doesn't actually like fix your problem you better understand your body and it doesn't actually like fix your problem it's almost like a band-aid fix at times though it can be really helpful um for me it was just like i wanted to be able to regulate my period naturally or understand what was going on with my body and i didn't want to talk about my diagnosis for a little while because i think anytime you're diagnosed with something there's like a bit of shame or feeling like oh is something wrong with me are people going to judge me but at this point i'm like people need to know because not like so many more people have pcos than they even know because people aren't checking it it

sounds like like the doctors aren't checking it not so maybe like you should ask if you don't have if you don't have a regular period if you have irregular periods at all please please get checked because it's really important to know whether or not you're diagnosed because it helps you make better choices in your life, especially in regards to conceiving. I recall you did a video about having, is it P-E-I? I had- Pelvic inflammatory- Oh, yeah.

PID. Yes. Pelvic inflammatory disease. Yes. I did have that. I also had, I had a lot of things happen during my whole fertility journey. I had like – I had chlamydia, which gave me like scarring of the tubes. And then I had pelvic inflammatory disease.

So it was just a lot of different things that like doctors were telling me like, you know, what's wrong. And just, yeah, having trouble conceiving. And a lot of people just didn't know what to do either. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, just do IVF. And then how we did, we did the HSG test, which a lot of people didn't tell you. It kind of like clears out your tubes and stuff. But yeah, all that stuff I was like so unfamiliar with. And PCOS, I don't

even think, I don't even think I've ever been tested for it. Like to be honest, maybe, maybe I've had it because I've always had trouble like losing weight. I used to have horrible acne and literally just being pregnant. I had, cause I don't know. That's what I just all thought about this recently. And when you told me about it, I was looking it up and I was like, oh, this might be something. How do they test for it? So there are hormonal tests you take and typically also an ultrasound. So they see basically if you have cysts or fibroids. I've actually never – like cysts can get really bad.

Sometimes you have to get them surgically removed. I've never had a huge issue like that um luckily but i might in the future ultimately it's just about understanding whether or not that's possible for you but yeah typically like hormonal tests and ultrasounds but also the doctor has to kind of be looking for it if they a lot of doctors will just look at you and be like oh you don't have acne so you can't have pcos but that's not the case or you're like not acne, so you can't have PCOS. But that's not the case at all. Right, or you're like not overweight and they're like, oh, you're fine. Yeah. Yeah, that's not the case at all.

And yeah, it's just really important information for people to know if they want to have kids someday or, you know, conceive or honestly just any health kind of regulation. So I really, I finally got comfortable enough with the diagnosis to be able to tell other people like, hey, get checked out if you struggle with this, please. Were you like scared when they told you were you like scared because because of all that stuff like happened? Like, oh, you won't have because when I had mine, the PID, they're like, oh, you won't be able to have babies. It's basically what they told me right away. And I was like, that's why I said early on, I can't have babies. And I like thought that for so long. Well, beforehand, even like in high school, I be like my period is irregular like is this a big

problem will i someday not be able to carry a child like that was always a concern of mine and i never really had an answer for why my body was acting this way and then when i did find out they did tell me like if you have pcos you have to be a bit more careful because you know how as you get older it can be harder to conceive the reason why is not necessarily because we're lacking eggs it's actually because the quality of our eggs decreases as we get older and when you have pcos it can decrease even quicker oh my gosh yeah so people like it's really important for them to be diagnosed so that they can make that choice for themselves like do i want to freeze my eggs do i want to conceive earlier to have better chances to

it's just yeah it's really important to know yeah because oh i didn't even think about so like it really just weakens your eggs in some some way yeah it's just really uh it's because it's such an umbrella term and like people can have um different severities of pcos and it can look so different in one person than another so it's hard for me to be like, it's just this. So the best way I can say is like really hormonally sensitive, like hormonally sensitive. So if you have irregular periods or lose your period quickly, or maybe get it too frequently, it might be something that. And I feel like that could mess with like your mental health, right? Because it's over your hormones. Oh yeah, girl, but your period in general, my luteal phase, my, like like, I switch personalities every other week.

What was the phase? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry I'm being down bad on my main. It's just because, you know, I'm ovulating. Sorry I'm being pissy. I'm in my luteal phase. That's what you just said during the cookies. You're like, you guys.

Sorry, guys. My luteal phase. What's a luteal phase? What is that? Oh, my God my god I don't know what that is I didn't give you a science lesson I know is it a science I know nothing about science oh yeah we were just talking about this the other day I was like what is the solar eclipse I have no idea I actually don't know much about the solar eclipse but periods I have learned everything that's another reason why I was like I'm gonna keep this diagnosis to myself like i feel really confident talking about it but yeah women's menstrual cycle it's basically like four phases so let's say you get your period for like one week that would be the first phase and then

you have another week and another week and another week the the week right before your period that's your luteal phase the pms phase what's it what's come from, the word luteal? I've never heard it. I feel like it's like something to do with the moon or... Is it luneal or luteal? Luteal. L-U-T-E-A-L. Okay. Yeah.

No, you don't have to know it. I just was like, I've never heard that word before. Yeah. There's this new or kind of newer like trend of cycle syncing, which basically...

Yeah. No, wait, what? Why would you want to do that? Like so we can sync together? No, not like that. Like apps where it'll show you like what phase you're in. They'll tell you like, oh, usually during this phase, it's maybe easier for you to strength train

versus your luteal phase. You know, take it easy at the gym. Maybe do some Pilates or yoga instead. Because like our hormones change over the course of a month, but a guy's hormones change over the course of a day. Like they just reset every day. Oh, interesting. Yeah. We are different like every week of the month. This might be different for people on birth control because your hormones are regulated differently, but when you menstruate, that's very much the case. And I've never done birth

control either. So like that, when you say that's different, it like helps you regulate your hormones. So birth control, I don't know if you know this, but birth control almost like tricks your body into thinking it's pregnant. Oh, I didn i knew i know i feel awful on it like that's why i couldn't be on it because i feel terrible i know it's awful and people also don't know that like if your birth control is making you or honestly if you feel terrible and you're on birth control that might be the reason why yeah that's how mine was a lot of people start attributing certain characteristics to themselves but they don don't realize it's just their hormones. You might think that you're just a really sad or pissy person,

but it might just be a hormonal imbalance or the wrong birth control. And there's hundreds of different types. So if the one you're on right now is not good for you, just know there are options. Try something else. Women's health is so outdated. Yeah. It's just is so outdated. Yeah. Like, it's just not researched enough at all.

People don't talk about it enough. At all. To, like, know that the mental health is also, like, attributed to something physically going on in your body. Because out there you always just think, I'm just crazy. I'm just born like this. I'm traumatized. Whatever. You're not crazy, babes. You're not.

It's just your period. And it's so real. It's so real. Because it's always a joke. Like, guys or girls or whatever will say, like, oh, she's on her period. You know, like, if she's angry or something like that. But it's, like it's so real because it's always a joke like guys or girls or whatever will say like oh she's on her period you know like if she's angry or something like that but it's like such a real thing it's like hormones are very very important to understand yeah and i actually don't know any of it but the pcos now how does it affect you in your day-to-day life i would say so like i feel like every couple months i'm like learning more how to better take care of myself and manage things, I think it makes me way more aware of anything that I do or eat.

Yeah, it's made me a bit of a health nut. Like I'm a supplement freak now. Oh, really? Yeah, and very much like I just love yapping about hormones to anyone that'll listen. I love this for you. Like I didn't know. No, when you were telling me about this, I was like,

wait, this is so tea because I watch so much stuff of you. I've influenced so many of my friends to go off their birth control. You're like, it's scary. Or to, like, find a better alternative. Yeah. And then they're off of it and they're like, why do I feel so much better? And it's so real.

And I know it's, like, controversial because people, like, need the birth control. But if you are, like, struggling. Yes. It's just, like, if it's impacting you badly. Mine was. Then just know, like, there are options. Yeah. And, like, it it was i was always looked down upon for it because i was like i just can't do birth control and it's like and obviously there's so many other options like like you said like to prevent it but it is like so scary and i was like depressed on it i was like the low it was

like crazy and it was the birth control which i think is so normal because everyone's on it but exactly yeah i guess the main issue is sometimes people like they're not being told enough information to know that certain symptoms can come from their birth control because everyone's on it and it's so normalized. People just think, oh, like it can't be that. I'm the problem. But a lot of the time it's just like really just like a chemical or hormonal imbalance within you. Like not going. Yeah. What works for someone's body does not work for your body necessarily. So you're doing clean eating,

which kind of led to your cookies. So that's right. That's how it came about. I went on this huge health trip and especially post COVID, I gained so much weight during COVID. Did you really? Oh yeah, girl, like 15, 20 pounds or something.

I think we all did for sure. It was a good time. You're just inside eating. So yeah, I went on a health journey, just started working out more. And like my mind was blown when I found snacks that had healthy ingredients, but tasted really good. I was like, this is what I want to make, honestly. And I've had a lot of opportunities to sell things in the past. But if I'm not excited about it, like I'm not going to do it.

But this is something that obviously I love and I do kind of regret maybe not filling people in on that journey as much because it led to them maybe assuming the worst when I came out with something that not everybody understood and I frankly I often forget that it's not just me in my community online like there's a whole audience of people who know me but aren't in my community you know so sometimes the wrong narrative can just like be spun out of something because they don't have as much context like the cash grab was the big thing with it's like oh it's a cash grab but it's like like you said I haven't made a dollar and you've been doing it for so long like you said you never put out a product before and not only that I haven't sold an NFT I haven't done any of this

really no I feel like that was such a thing all the gamers were doing right oh wow that was like before. And not only that. I haven't sold an NFT. I haven't done any of that. Really? No. Oh, I feel like that was such a thing all the gamers were doing, right? Oh, wow. That was like six, seven figures. But I'm like, wow, that is, those are actually crazy. That's crazy. That is actually wild. So you never ever did anything for like based solely on money. And then this comes down and they're like, oh my God, it's a money grab. But you're actually like, yeah, like I cap my donos. I don't know if you know. What is that?, what is that? But you know how people can donate to streamers? Cap to donos. Oh, no, I actually don't know this world.

Is that how you make money streaming? I want to answer all your questions. I do want to know. I feel like literally a dum-dum because I don't know any of this. You're not a dum-dum. I was like, how are people making so much money? I will explain everything to you. Okay, so they donate.

So when you stream, you know how on YouTube a subscription, like it's almost like a follower. Like they just click and they watch your stuff. On Twitch or in streaming, a subscription is actually someone who pays you $5 a month. Yeah. And in the chat, they have like a little icon beside their name. So you see who subscribed and they get special emotes and maybe privileges, things like that. So you have subscriptions, which are a part of like your monthly income. And there are donations like people can send send a dollar, two, five, sometimes people send a lot more, and they can attach a message and it shows up on the screen. So you

can respond. Oh, that's fun. Oh, yeah, I would live for that. It's like a virtual strip club, kind of. It's like, whoa, $5. Thank you. You pay more attention to the $5 than the dollar. Well, it's like a virtual strip club. but mine is not the sexualization part of it but I love that aspect it's a fun way it really is like I love the engagement part of donations like people can say the funniest craziest things through donations oh and they just love it because it's like you said it's like a community so they're like we're all here yeah that's cute I also like drag queens too like at brunches they give them like tips that's cute okay I like it all right there's that and they're sponsors so you can take like a sponsorship every month and you put like their little banner under your stream or maybe post about them or whatever like a company sponsors

you okay and they pay you a certain amount every month yeah so this is on top of like twitch giving you exclusivity money so that's the big one in the past streaming uh platforms used to do exclusivity contracts and that was where like the big money was In the past, streaming platforms used to do exclusivity contracts. And that was where like the big money was. Yeah. Okay. Because I know you were talking about platforms on your podcast, the Don't Tell Anyone podcast, where you're like, what makes the most?

What makes the least? And you're like, TikTok, absolutely nothing, trash. But then you were saying YouTube. Yeah. I think Twitch was number two. And you put YouTube above Twitch, which is wild. So is it streaming on Twitch that you're making more or the videos? The videos.

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Learn more at visa.ca slash fintech. I put YouTube above Twitch because it's more stable, more consistent, and like every piece of content you come out with is almost like an investment. Twitch, it's like you just need to stream all of the time. To me, like a mid-sized Twitch streamer would probably make less than a mid-sized YouTuber. And the huge extremes of Twitch, like when you hear these like crazy numbers that people are making,

that's because they're in like the 0.1%. I was trying to go off of like, if someone was just starting content creation, what platform I think could essentially like create a substantial business for them and i think youtube is better for that but okay twitch there are a lot of streams of revenue so i put you always hear like a few hundred thousand dollars a month like people make off twitch some people can't but that's like literally the top 20 streamers but there's so many more and they're just sitting there for like eight like the only

one we know we ask her brings him up is hasan like sitting there for like nine hours a day and those people are just like tipping him and oh my god okay so you capped your donation yeah so i capped my donations at five dollars like five years ago or something can they give more than that no that's what i meant by cap like i don't even let people donate more to me than five dollars oh i see but they could like let's say to another streamer i don't even know any of this i literally only know like no one does that wow so they can donate a hundred dollars and you're like no i'm not gonna like allow that oh just because why you feel because for me what i enjoy about donations is that there's like an interaction they can send a message they can say something funny

you don't need to give me a hundred dollars to say something funny you can just send five and that's enough you know that's not very tourist of you i would be like give me that hundred dollars that'd be exciting i'm like yes a hundred you know yes may 8th you're may 16th may 14th may 4th oh your birthday this year yeah i was actually born on mother's day but this year it's May 14th. So it changes. Yeah. Oh my God. That's so funny.

My birthday's always on Mother's Day, bro. I know. Mine too. I think my baby's going to be on Mother's Day too, which is the 14th this year. So that's why I'm like, oh, that's so crazy. So, but Tauruses are so much about money. I get so excited about money. Like if someone tips me like $20, I'll be like, yes.

Like I get so excited. I get excited about money in like a business sense yeah but when i think about like my audience like when i got to the point where i was making more than the people that are watching me i'm like why would i take money from you like keep it like spend however extra much you were gonna give me like go buy food go buy something for yourself go enjoy your life like that that was more so the perspective for me for me i'm like i'll take money from a company like yeah not you yeah that is like the better way to look at it for sure i feel i feel you for sure but i feel like yeah they're they're wanting to be a part of it but yeah you've never

been on like tiktok live like an mpc girl where you're like hot dog hot dog because i feel like that would be you yeah a little bit i'm like there's gotta be some kind of fetish in here no i thought that was so funny i did it like three times this is so fun have you ever tried it just for fun i did it kind of like as a joke for like 10 seconds oh did you get a lot of tips they're probably like yes we love this i would just like get like a cowboy hat or something i would just say some random thing on tiktok live you were doing it oh i love that you did that that's so funny like i kind of as a joke but it is really funny and the people who do that i'm like you're like on your you're standing on business right now like the what is it pinky doll would be on there for like 10 hours a day that's what i don't understand about live streamers like it's so much time long, what's the longest you've been on a stream for?

Probably like 14. But a lot of people do like 24 hours. I've never done that because I'm like, I can't sleep on the stream though. Oh, they sleep on it? Yes. And they make money while they're sleeping? Oh, that's kind of genius actually. It is.

You know what's funny? There's even, there's a system where people can send videos. So you can be asleep. But if they send a really loud video, it'll, like, wake you up. Oh, my God. That's kind of everything. They're like, wake up. So, like, streaming is all about interaction with – which I think is why I streamed for so long.

I love interacting with people. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, that's, like, my worst nightmare. I'm just like, oh, I don't want to interact. Yeah. I love yapping. I'm like, no, no, no, no.

You know? So she's – And so that's what you – so you game. But is it just ever where you just talk? It's like my worst nightmare. I'm just like, oh, I don't want to interact. Yeah. I love yapping. I'm like, no, no, no, no. You know? And so that's what you, so, so, so you game, but is it just ever where you just talk? Sometimes I just see people talking just to the chat. Yeah. Do you ever do that? You just like sit there and talk? Oh, yeah.

Just chatting. Oh, so you don't necessarily have to play a game to do it. Not anymore. But you know, not a lot of people know this, but like years ago, Twitch didn't allow that. They, they were like, you can only talk for 45 minutes to an hour max, and you have to play a game what and now they're like just give us the money it doesn't matter yes no actually they used to monitor that stuff actually really i wonder why they cared i guess they thought they just wanted to be a gaming we're a gaming platform yeah now we're like we're whatever you want us to be you remember the era of like hot tub girls too that's when i that's

when i heard of twitch. And I remember like, oh, girls is not up. I, we tried it. We tried it for like a couple of days. I'm like, I don't understand it.

I don't know how you make money. Like I was over it. Cause I couldn't figure it out, but it sounds exciting. You should have called me. I would have helped you figure it out. Had I known back then that you were so cool. I'd have been like,

girl, how do I do this? Cause any platform I've joined, including OF, I always find like the most popular girl and be like, how do I make this work? You know? Yeah.

I love that. And they're helpful too. Like every girl has been so helpful, but yeah, how do I make this work? You know? Yeah. I love that. And they're helpful too. Like every girl has been so helpful. But yeah, I don't know. Gaming might not be my thing. Streaming too in general. Again, back to like just creepos, you know, like in the best way possible, I guess. But like, you know, the ones that might get a little too attached to you, like fans.

Do you ever like any crazy ones? That's a wrong word to use. Like any extreme ones come to your house? I love when you're like on your little PR arc you know i know that's not the word i use crazy so loosely but you know um extremists i get what you mean a little extreme extreme i've had a couple extreme things happen but luckily not for a while i really think it is completely correlated to like how much you stream ever since i started streaming like a, even like two, three times a week instead of like five or six. It's almost like harder for people to be like that attached to you to the point that it gets a little extreme.

But I used to live in a content creator house, like a streamer house. I just found this out. That's when we had issues swatting. The police showed up once with like AKs. I was like, wait, what are you doing that situation i was thinking the same thing because like basically what happened was i was actually filming a fortnight video i'm in my room filming a little intro and you hear police open up i was like oh my gosh and um i went outside my room and there was like this big window that shows me like outside of the front

door and I see a guy like a cop there with like a massive gun I think an AK I feel like I should know my guns but now I play enough shooters yeah just like a massive gun and I kind of hesitated for a second because I'm like what if they assume the wrong thing what if this goes terribly wrong like I really did not know what to do yeah I was like frozen in fear for a moment um and i kind of like i went down and i spoke to them through the door like we need to do like a wellness check we got a call about someone being in here with a hostage all this oh my gosh yeah i think now cops know a bit better that sometimes these are just like prank calls that audience or people do oh my god and do they catch the person that did the call sometimes yes yeah one of them was and he was

sent to jail actually this is so sad to say but one time um someone got swatted which is when like they fake call the cops on you and the police just like slam through your door they assume the worst because they've been told the worst oh my gosh um and once someone was swatted and the cops actually oh my god yeah the person passed died yes oh my god yeah um and the one who called in in that instance was sent to jail for life because it was like murder i actually don't recall how long but oh my god that is so scary i just hear those stories and always seems to be like people streaming so that's why i was always just like now you're in like a safe like building with like a doorman and stuff like that but just for the people who aren't like the house situation so how did you get into oh my god wait there's so

many because then i want to still talk about the health of the cookies you know so you cap the dough right now any spicy questions you have like that's what i'm here for i want to answer everything you guys especially like anything you think your audience is curious about i'm like i'm an open book now what's up everything because i'm just like so fascinated by all this stuff because like that extremity it is such a bubble like people know about streaming and twitch but you don't really know what's going on unless you're in it and when you're in it you're so in it and you're in would you say now you're because you are kind of like the set you are in it and you're friends with all these gamers did you befriend them because you're like all peers and you thought like that's

like the way to go or did it naturally happen so you're like in this content house is it all girls no i was in one house with all girls but for like three four years i was in a content house um and we were called offline tv and we had a in a content house and we were called Offline TV and we had a YouTube channel. Oh yeah. And we called it that because I'm like, let's show people what we do when we're offline. Oh my God. And then you're still online. Yeah. In a way. So we would film like YouTube videos and things like that. So technically I helped co-found that company because like there's still a channel, they brought in new members, all this stuff. But I was there like at the beginning. And that was a really fun to me

it was like a business venture like my very first one when I was much younger um but yeah what back then it was like seven eight people in a house and to me I didn't even like I didn't think about it I was just like I want roommates and people who do the same thing it was just like a fun thing almost like a no-brainer like why wouldn't I live with people who do the same stuff and understand me? Is this before like Hype House and stuff? Like it was maybe a bit before or right around the time. We weren't like the first content creator house, but we were the first in like our industry to do it before it had been like, you may be like Logan Paul or someone did a YouTube house. Yeah. And I was like, girl girl we should do the same thing oh that's

so interesting and so then you guys would all make content together are you but you're not like managing them you're not like taking like a percentage or anything because you have the company you have now the rts that is management you're like managing people uh yeah i co-founded an actual like management and consultancy firm so we manage some like pretty big streamers some of my friends as well. And the reason I wanted to launch that is because I felt like throughout my career, there were so many things I learned, so much trial and error that I did, so many things that I wish I could have gone to someone and be like, what the heck do I do? How do I pick the right person

for my team? Do I need an editor? Do I need a manager? Do I need an agent? All of these things. And I'm like, I want to replicate the system and team that I have for other people who need it. So that was a big reason why I launched it. And we also do consultancy. Like if any companies want to come into the gaming space, but they're like, we don't understand this world at all. And the audience on Twitch is so picky. Like everything is cringed to them. So I'm like, let us help you. Yeah. We'll navigate it. That's interesting. So of all the audiences you say, you think Twitch is like the more. So picky. So picky. They seem to be so like harsh. It's like another language. Right. Yes. And what is it about it you think? They're

just like, they get annoyed if you get sponsorships or like, what is that annoys them or just anything? I think nowadays people are way more understanding about that kind of thing. Yeah. But I think it's because, as I said, like it's such a bubble. Knowing what like what comes off inauthentically is hard for most companies. Frankly, even a lot of sponsors on most platforms will be like, say exactly this, do it this way. And I think that just really rubs a lot of gamers off the wrong way. Because, again, it's like the culture is so specific there a little bit. this way and i think that just really rubs a lot of gamers off the wrong way yeah because again it's like the culture is so specific there a little bit i would almost make it similar to like gen z tiktok like there are very particular things that they like and don't like right and also a lot

of gamers are also gen z so yeah but they're also like this is my like gaming almost like yeah like you can't a little protective of it yeah totally so you have to make sure that if you're a company who wants to be a part of the space like you're bringing value you're not i don't know forced like being forceful or being inauthentic or clearly only there to take advantage of people yeah and just get like the money of it all yeah and would you take like the sponsors when you talk about that, is it like drinking something? Is that like a sponsorship on Twitch? Like how else are you gonna do it?

Or do you like an ad read? You're like, hey guys, today we have an ad read from SeatGeek or something. Yeah, both. So for example, I've had sponsorships, like for example, the headset or keyboard that I'm wearing. So wearing that I'm using. Oh, I see.

So you're like wearing like the kiddie ones or something and then people like wear it. And I'll have that like underneath my stream. And usually that kind of thing will just pay you every month because you're wearing it every day versus sometimes you might have like an hour sponsor so you'll say like okay you know for this hour or this hour segment doritos is sponsoring it we're gonna be eating this we're gonna be doing that are you like eating doritos as you yeah oh my god what's so cool actually what i love nowadays about twitch sponsors is like it can be anything.

Makeup, food, a video game. That's the most common one where they'll pay you to play a game for a little while. Yeah. Really? You know that's how I started playing Fortnite. They sponsored me. Fortnite did? Yes.

I know. Because they're like the biggest. I know. Oh my God. And they just blew up and I just kept playing it. Were you like your dance was in it? Yeah. Was that your, okay, so I was talking to you, what is an emote? What does that mean? That's like, you're the character? So you buy emotes and it's like a dance or it's an action. Like you could do like a high

five emote or you could do a whole dance as an emote. It's just any action that your little character can do. But you're supposed to do like a full dance like you were doing this little dance and i was like can the music sound like this so you created the whole thing oh my god and they paid you for that oh my god that's so cool because i would think actually i don't even remember if they paid me but you're just gonna be in the game i mean yeah like yeah it's like just such a bucket list thing as a game i was so honored and i still, you know, I was like 22 or 23 or something. And how did that even happen? Did you have a manager or they came to you or like? Fortnite just had like maybe a contact at Twitch or knew my manager and just messaged

me like, are you interested in making an emote? I was like, hell yeah. You know, it's so random that I'll never forget. Like, so I had to make a TikTok of the dance, the emote. And the same day, like I had a surgery to remove like a lump from my breast. Oh my gosh. Girl, I was on, I literally did a surgery. Came home, filmed a TikTok for Fortnite.

That same day? Yes. Oh my gosh. Like you're not even, especially like breast surgery. You're not supposed to like move and do all this stuff no i was like let's go wait did you not did you not think like beforehand like the day before maybe i should make this before it was a tight deadline kind of thing they're like we need it tomorrow i respect that hustle so much i was even when after i get birth i'm like i'm ready to come back i want to come like that day up and be like i gave birth it's such a it is such a funny thing as a content creator to like, the hustle is so real. And it's like, but I love the

dedication that you were like, I'm going to do this. Oh my gosh. It's also just like sometimes the excitement when like there's momentum and you're just hyped about something and you want to go back to it. For sure. Do you think that was, we're looking at your career, I mean, and you're always doing something different, but like you were in the Free Guy movie. And it's like, is that like where you're like, oh my gosh, this is like where the, like you were in the free guy movie and it's like is that like where you're like oh my gosh this is like where the like you just thought oh this is the up you know i'm going i was just so excited that people were paying more attention to streaming it always felt like streaming and gaming is just something i've always loved for so long and i was like not enough people realize how fun this can be and i want to show people that that gaming isn't just for

someone who's like super hardcore and dedicated and only wants to play this game. Like to me, you play Sims, you play Candy Crush, you want to play on your phone a little bit. It's almost like Candy Crush. Is that part of the gaming world? Anything? Yes. Any game for me. I'm like, you're a gamer. Like that's how games should be viewed. Yeah, that's always kind of been my dream. And that's kind of how it is in Asian countries. Like girl in like korea if you're an esports pro you're a celebrity really what's esports pro what is that so like madden like even fortnite if you play competitively you're like an esports professional they're like huge tournaments they get big salaries like six figures seven figures and they're all just like gaming

together on their consoles or what a lot of computers pc yeah okay i love a pc because they're cute they're like it's literally athletes but for games wow and then people like go crazy for them over there in korea korea is the place to be because that's where the mukbang started too like the eating and stuff and i was like maybe that's the way to go they are always ahead and they know they were tipping mukbangers that That's how I found out about mukbang. I remember people getting like money live. While streaming? Yeah.

They were streaming eating. And that's how I found out about it in like 2012. And I was just like, man, I wish I could do that. Just like eating. Do you still do mukbangs? Not like I used to. You know, not like the big food and stuff. But streaming mukbangs would be like so fun.

Do anybody do it? I don't think anybody does it anymore. We only do a very casual. Like we don't have dedicated mukbangers. But every now then like if we're somewhere we'll just be like we're gonna do a mukbang have you eaten on stream oh yeah because that also some people hate that i love eating i love it too do you want to do a mukbang i would oh my gosh i've never seen you do one because i looked up everything about you i haven't seen you do a like what would you eat also because you're not anything but you're on your health journey now so it's like harder probably for me part of

that health journey was like figuring out okay how do i still enjoy myself while still taking care of my body i kind of follow this like 80 20 rule where um like 80 of what i eat is typically like whole foods so it's not like i avoid a specific meat or grain or something i'm just like as long as i know what it is like it's a whole food or grain or something. I'm just like, as long as I know what it is, like it's a whole food, it's just beef, not processed, not whatever. Like you're cooking it at home or something. Okay. And then 20% I'm like, girl, enjoy. I'll still do a mukbang. I'll do whatever. Cause I think that's like a such a, that should be like your next four ways, like helping people with like health and like learning that it's not hard, you know? I want

to showcase that a lot more to people. And I think that's one of the things that, frankly, like the controversy taught me. I'm like, oh, maybe I'm not being as open as I should be. Of like why you want to do it. Because, yeah, the snacks in general are just like not good for you. Because, you know, like so many countries won't sell like Starburst or Skittles because of the Red 40 and all that stuff like that. And I'm just learning about it now being pregnant. Like you're not supposed to.

And I'm like looking into all this stuff. And was like, oh my gosh, I didn't know. There aren't that many like yummy and like healthy or better for you snacks. Yeah. And that's why I think that is like important that you talk about your journey of like why it got there. And just the stuff you say because, you know, you just assume, oh, you're thin, you don't have to eat or it's ozempic or something. So when you're like, oh no, you can still eat this, this, this.

I think that stuff is like fascinating because I know nothing about like health or anything like that. So I always think that kind of nutrition in general. I agree. Because you're very, oh, no, you can still eat this, this, and this. I think that stuff is fascinating because I know nothing about health or anything like that. So I always think that kind of – nutrition in general. I agree. Because you're very smart about it. You know what I mean? Which is really cool. And I think that's amazing. I just want to, frankly, just help people live a happy, healthy life.

And you're living it. And it's not about the extremes. You should still enjoy yourself. It's so hard, though, too. As someone who's an extremity person, it's like, how do you find the balance? It's so hard though too as someone who's an extremity person it's like how do you find the balance you know it's like so hard do you have an addictive personality like to everything do you know that's why to what what are you addicted to i feel like you have such a balance you're such a that's why i don't do drugs oh girl because i know oh you will never see me again yeah same we a similar story of why we don't drink.

I didn't know you don't drink. I saw your story and I was like, this is my story. I think it was on your podcast where you were talking about how you were traumatized in your freshman year of college drinking the vodka. It was over. What happened to me, my 21st birthday, my dad took me out,

gave me all the margaritas. I had so much poisoning from it. I was like again never drank again it's almost like your taste buds build the taste for it where we're like if i smell alcohol i'm like i'm the same it's like gasoline to me yeah like one really bad experience yacked it all up even hand sanitizer makes me think of vodka and i like reek from that you know great so you were a freshman in college just a little traumatized oh yeah yeah so you're yeah and then i was a freshman in college you know it's one of those well what do you call them like like freshman week okay i don't know i didn't go to college but oh yeah everybody for like the

first week because your classes you just go in and they say oh this is what we're gonna talk it's not an actual class like the first week is really chill so people just party a ton and i went to a party with my roommates at the time and this was like my first time really drinking drinking as i said like i'm an addictive kind of person like i either am not gonna do something at all or I'm gonna do it 1000% which is so crazy oh a shot I was like all of the shots because you're like I just want to get what were you just thinking like you like wanted to get wild or you like the taste at the time oh I just wanted to get wild yeah yeah you're like let's do this I think alcohol is still like an acquired taste I think you can very much like get used to it or start enjoying it um but at the time I was just like oh like I don't really know, but I want to see what it's really like.

So you're doing shots of vodka. Oh, yeah. No chaser. No. I'm like, not, not, I'm just not a casual kind of person. Yeah, you're like, I got to have all of it. And I just threw it all up real bad, real bad. Oh, my gosh. And so after that that you're just like never again kind of yeah

wow that's interesting how our bodies like that mine was that too at 21 and i just never drink and sense and like you want to because sometimes like people look like they're having so much fun with that socially like are people not like oh why won't you or kind of give you a hard time well i'm not a social person i think that was it. Cause I never, even when I was young, I never, I never went to clubs or anything or bars. So I think I'm just like not a social person. So I've been great with it. Um, but yeah, that's interesting. Do you go out a lot? Like, will you go out? Um, no, I kind of want to have like a going out face. You never did. Another thing about me, I've just loved doing things for the plot like legit you know and i'm like i've never had a party plot like shut up this is the time you're in your 20s you know go out and

do it so i've been thinking about it i don't know if i'm gonna do it where would you go what would you do like what do you see yourself doing going to clubs with tara tara yummy no way she oh gosh she knows everybody that girl is she's another girl she's everywhere and That girl is, she's another girl. She's everywhere. And I love that. Like, she's so fun. I love her too. And she's like, I will take you out. No way. Okay, that.

Did you guys post about it or no? It's like secretive. It wasn't secretive, but we just like, it was very casual. In the moment. Yeah, we just went, hung out, ate. I always wonder when influencers go out with each other. Like, I love posting when I'm with, and I only see influencers like when I do the podcast, but I always like love to post and be like, look who I'm here with.

And Tara's with someone all the time. So I think that's like so funny that you guys, like you would never expect that crossover. I know. It's so funny. It was really random. And I'm like, we actually do need to take a photo next time. Yeah. Right.

So did you guys go to like, okay, so you guys, so you did go out, you guys went out and stuff. Since she's pescatarian, I just picked like a really yummy kind of like vegetarian spot. We just went, ate. Girl, we dished some oh yeah i love her god it was just like you tell me everything i tell you everything she knows she's so out she's so i love her she is the best and she's like yeah she knows everything and everyone and just so in tune she's another one who's like super smart i'm always like so surprised with like young when i meet young girls and they're not she was persian and middle eastern i'm like you're my sister yeah she speaks farsi when she was here she was telling me and her mom makes like really

she invited me over to her mom's house like if you want like she can make persian food for us it's like absolutely it's like my middle eastern sister yeah it is so hard to come across middle eastern people in the content creation space that's true especially girls streaming yeah especially girls yeah it's kind of rare right so when you see and then you feel like more connected because you're like, oh, it's like this whole thing. Oh, yeah. That's so amazing. Yeah.

I feel like that's a whole different world then. It's a whole different connection and stuff like that. She's yeah, she's super cool. And she's another one that just so like cultured and everything like that. Yeah. It's actually one of the reasons I started streaming and gaming. Like I always kind of felt like I didn't quite belong growing up because I grew up in Canada. felt like um like i didn't quite belong growing up because i grew up in canada i didn't feel like

like middle eastern or african enough and i didn't feel like just canadian or like white enough i'm like an awkward middle so i never really felt like oh i really like belong here even though i i get along with everyone i love yeah i like love everyone yeah yeah but streaming was kind of the first place where i'm like i belong here it's like we're we're all almost outcasts in a way yeah and we kind of bond over that in a way that's what's so crazy back then because like you were saying it wasn't cool growing up but now it's like the gamers are taking over they're the cool people and that's like so i just read was xqc's invited to the met gala and i was like oh what like that's so random i don't

think that's accurate. But we'll look into that. We talked about it on Hot Topics. Astrid says the same thing. But I swear. I wonder. I heard. Dexerto tweeted about it.

I don't believe anything they say. Oh, really? I don't know anything about them. But. I heard that the Met Gala, like, doesn't want. Doesn't really want great. I swear. I don't know for sure.

I don't even know XQC. I saw his name. That'd be crazy. That'd be wild. I know nothing about him. I don't know if he's. I know there's, like, controversial gamers. Imagine X controversial gamers on the podcast i i don't know these people i need to know because i know they're super popular and they get like a ton of streams and

i'm like it's just such a different world and like i know you because you're like girly cute you know it's like girly pop and i was like okay i know her but everyone else i'm just like i have to like and i have to really get into it for like hot topics because there's always controversy in the gaming world if you're ever curious about something like I'll text you up like what's the yes I got you do that with Tara she's always like just text me if you need to know anything and I'm always like girl what is happening what is this especially because sometimes you need someone who's like really in it to know like the details oh yeah and you're in it so that's what I was gonna ask earlier so do you consider yourself still really in it or you like maybe trying to

distance yourself a little bit from just gaming in general I think I'm trying to see it less so from like as distancing and more so like heading towards other things. So it's kind of like one foot in, one foot out. Like I'm always going to love gaming. I'm going to be like one of those grandmas on her rocker playing a little mobile game or something straight up. And streaming is really fun. But also when you do something for so long, you're like, oh, I'm interested in other things. I want to do other things. I to showcase other things and show what you can do what is your what is your main priority now is it the podcast yeah so I launched a podcast called don't tell anyone so good yeah I'm actually gonna do an episode about PCOS and hormones soon okay good honestly it's just like it's like facetiming your friend I'm just spilling all the tea things I couldn't really share before

I talk about cancel culture I just talk about kind of anything that's on my mind like kind of just for fun right now it's very lifestyle very give relationship advice red flags oh yeah I take viewer calls yeah and they'll tell me the craziest thing how are they calling in how do people call into it they leave in like a voicemail and they're like oh like if you need any more information you can call me at this number but usually it's like some of the stories they tell me. Great. Really? Yeah. And it's great because they can also be anonymous.

So they really just let loose. Are you producing it yourself or do you have someone help you? I got a producer. Okay, good. That sounds like complicated. Yeah. But I was like, no network, no nothing. Like I just wanted.

Wow. Yeah. I wanted to, again, do it for the plot. Like just challenge myself. Yeah. Do something new on your own and like figure it the f out it's so fun that way yeah and it's not for the money too and i love money but like ours was the same way we just started it's best to get money when you're already enjoying

yourself not do things for it specifically and when people can see what it is you know what i mean know your value know your worth yeah okay so you started the podcast in december yeah and so you've been that's amazing so you're doing it every week and you're doing, right now you're doing it like, like you said, basically just like advice solo. I did my first guest episode and I'm like, Did you like it?

Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. So I think there will be some development soon. Oh, that's so fun. Some things that people

have been asking for, yeah. Well, you're such a gapper as you say. Yeah, you can do it so like on your own. You're so good at it. You know,

you really don't need anyone else because I listened to all of your episodes and I was, you can do it so, like, on your own. You're so good at it. You know, you really don't need anyone else. Because I listened to all of your episodes and I was like, wow, she really just, like, and the stuff you talk about does get, like, so real and stuff. Like, you know, you talk about dating, red flags. I love the one where you talked about you go on dates and you tell them You do your homework. You really do your homework.

No, because I, like, love you and I love your cookie and I love the sassiness. I was like, let me see what she has to talk about. And you really are like, you get into it and you're like, yeah, go on dates now. Tell them like, I'm thinking about retiring. And then see what they said. Yeah, because a lot of guys like are really just interested in dating pokey. Yeah.

But like, that's not who you're going to see every day, girl. You're like, you never know. Yeah. And so does that, does that, that like have you dated in your sphere like in the gaming world okay this is what i like to tell people dating a streamer keep in mind they are people who are sometimes streaming for like nine or ten hours every day and then the hours before or after they're on twitter. It is hard to sometimes have a relationship with people who are so dedicated to their work,

really in any field, but especially streaming is so all consuming. Like you are so in it. And so when two people are so in it, it's like sometimes you can barely have time for each other. Yeah. So you're dating a streamer. That's actually, that'd be the worst.

I've seen people on TikTok where they have like just a baby with a gamer, and the baby's sitting in one of those little chairs attached to the desks. And I'm just like, no, absolutely not. It's actually crazy. And I follow one- You need someone who's really mature. To date.

Yes. And being in an industry that revolves around games, yeah. Doesn't work that way. So would you- Not always. Sometimes, but not always sometimes are you blocked from dating gamers are you like absolutely not no more gamers i think streamers streamers hard pressed like it would be yeah you would be hard pressed to find someone that i'd be down to date honestly

my type is kind of like house husbands really that is the way to go like cook and clean yeah help take care of me let me nice oh my god you know what that is where you need for sure because you shine and you're so strong and it's just like and it takes a stronger man to do that you know what i mean a lot of men are like somebody's really secure yeah otherwise they're like i'm curious to hear for you especially considering like kind of all the phases or like the eras of trisha yeah for me it feels like every two years i'm like what do i know about dating or relationships? Like, I feel like sometimes I change my mind

every two years. I'm like, I don't actually even know. Maybe in two years, I won't want someone like this. How did you know Moses was the one or it was time to get married or any of that? God, you know what? It is so weird. I don't know because I've always been the one

to be like, I'm going to marry this person. You know what I mean? Like I meet someone and I want to marry them like right away. That's always been me. And then looking back, I'm like, thank God I didn't. Cause they're like, whatever. I feel you. You know? And then also doing what we do, right? You're a content creator and you make money and you're like, you are kind of this like star, right? In your own world or whatever. And it's just like finding that guy that's like not threatened by it. That doesn't want like, oh, stop working.

Cause I've always had guys that would be like, you can't do this, this and this, but also wasn't paying for my lifestyle. So I was like, well, what,. Because I've always had guys that would be like, you can't do this, this, and this, but also wasn't paying for my lifestyle. So I was like, well, what? What do you mean? Yeah. So it's finding that like right person. And like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, when we met, our story is so weird because it's like, it was very like hot and

cold. Like it wasn't just like, this is the one, even though I wanted to marry like everybody I meet right away, you know? But I don't know. I guess just like over time, quarantine, we quarantined together. And then, you know, I don't know. The fact that you guys quarantined together and it made your relationship better, not worse. Yeah.

Big green flag. That was the green flag for sure. I think that's been a huge test for a lot of people. Right. Like, I never lived with anyone either until I met him. I was like 32 when we, like, lived together. So I was just like, oh, okay, maybe. But I think it's like one of those things that's cheesy.

It sounds like you kind of just like know, you know. His presence made my life easier. And kind of too like we work together there he is over there like we work together like when I met him he had this job and yeah and it's it is great it's wonderful what you've done for others and it's so real when I think about the people I wanted to have babies with before him because it's very much like you said it's like I love having someone that can like support me and obviously we support each other but he really like took a thing to be like okay i'm gonna like help you and like all of this he built all of this you know he like when we had the baby he's like up with the babies like he's just like really that person so it's like finding that person and kind of knowing what you

said right the house husband of it all right it's just like having just also just like that support because like you need it right and um it's just like so compatible i think with a lot of girls online who have like big personalities and love doing stuff like you need someone who can just like let you really be yourself yes and if anything like helps you shine like they even put the light behind you literally putting the light on you yeah there are specific instances where like you can do that for each other it just seems kind of hard to find breaking news a brand new game is now live at bet365 introducing prize matcher a daily game that's never ordinary all you have to do is match as many tiles as you can and the more you match the better we also have top table games like our incredible super spin roulette blackjack and a

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Guys – Girl, I'm so tired of telling people my traumas and they go, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. You clearly don't know what the hell I'm talking about. They don't get it. They're not going through it. It is. It's so hard. And I've heard that from so many just women that are successful too. And then what happens sometimes, successful women find successful men. They have babies. And then the men get upset that they don't want to quit their career to take care of the babies and stuff. You know what I mean? That's so scary. Sometimes you don't know until you do it.

Well, that is scary. That's the scary part about a baby in general or getting married. It's like until you're in it, you're just like, oh do it well that is scary that's the part about baby in general or being married it's like until you're in it you're just like oh shit this is like not the right thing so yeah i think well when you're really young but you said you were saying you had baby fever already and want to get married yeah when i first stepped in here i was like i don't know why i'm like excited to be around you and you're pregnant like i do love being pregnant again it's the hormones like yeah i see a baby should i get one like i like i can amazon prime a baby or something like nowadays you basically can if you need a baby it's gonna happen now i just feel like more of like an attachment or uh almost like a motherly instinct like i want to take care of something right now

my cats are okay like my two cats you know they're almost like filling my baby fever needs a little bit right but we'll see what happens in the future no i mean that that's so interesting because you are so young and the fact that you're like so successful and doing so much and you were like yeah i'm kind of getting baby i'm like really that's my baby was like in my 30s i was definitely more like okay i think it's like time but i love if i could have had a baby in my 20s i would have you know what i mean i'm curious also i really wanted to ask you because i don't know if you know but nowadays especially on tiktok like people don't love having babies or talking about you know like you hear a lot of the negatives i was curious what your pregnancy was like i guess if you have any advice regarding that is it like a surrogate angle my dermatologist recently had a baby well he's a guy

but his wife had a baby and i went to see him and he was like i think you should get a surrogate angle my dermatologist recently had a baby well he's a guy but his wife had a baby and i went to see him and he was like i think you should get a surrogate really wait why well just like tough pregnancy he was talking about how his wife you know has to wear like a diaper oh the diapers are real yeah yeah diapers are fun though i was just telling him i kind of live being in diapers afterwards yeah you bleed for like six weeks but i kind of live for it because it's not like changing a tampon or pad that just like leaks out. I lived for it.

I didn't want to get out of the diaper because I was like, wow, just like letting it flow. Very natural. I liked it. Actually, another thing, because I love that. I know there's a lot of girly pops watching. All girly pops. I love it. I need to put you guys on two period panties.

Like I've never looked back since. Are those kind of like diapers? Kind of, but they're not thick. It's literally underwear. That absorbs. All of your blood. Oh, so you can just let it flow. You don't do tampons.

No, I actually have almost, sorry. I've like never really done tampons. I've mainly been a pads girl and tampons. A lot of the time it's just been kind of uncomfortable for me. But now I've started doing period panties specifically from, I think, Thinx, T-H-I-N-X. Okay. Yeah. And most of the time, throughout most of my period, I'll just be in a period panty.

They even have like a thong version for like your lighter days. No way. Yeah. And it's not thick. Like it's not like you're wearing a diaper. It's like absorbent. Yes. And you just throw it in the wash.

I've had the same five, six pairs for years. Oh, really? Oh, that's i feel like they're not popularized enough but i'm like i've never heard of that because the diapers you wear to go you're just chilling right it just let it flow that's how i love diapers the diapers you throw away each time so like after you like go i guess you could reuse them i throw away each time yeah and it's kind of great it's like having fresh underwear all the time and i always was like oh like putting underwear back on and but this you just wash and it's like brand new wow and i guess it's better for the environment because you're not

right that's true you're not throwing it out yeah you're not throwing anything out because pads would always move around like i like the idea of pads but yeah they would always like move around and i couldn't wear that's so okay yes period panties i did not know yes the diapers tell me about your pregnancy like if i were to get pregnant in two years what would you tell me oh i tell them like do it like i'm like even now I'm like I find myself talking to like young people I'm like get pregnant so we can this is like so much fun but um people do have like horrible experiences I really do feel for them even this pregnancy has been like a little bit tougher in the sense I'm just tired but I still love being pregnant I don't know it's just like maybe again hormones maybe you know I

don't know anything about I just know hormones have a lot to do with pregnancy and postpartum and all that stuff like that but during pregnancy whatever the hormone is it's like I'm getting like dopamine like I'm just like happy and rested and just like living my best life so I know she's like literally coming any day so I'm just like okay I'm like ready for it but yeah it's it's been I've had only great experiences I could be pregnant forever it's like having the kids I get like tough because you know now my daughter's like one and a half she's like running around everywhere but it's so fun. I mean, I love it.

And like I said, I wish I could have had kids at like 25, you know? So yeah. You're just such an inspiration. Oh my gosh. It's been a journey. I was like, you know, YouTube's been a journey and my emotions have been a journey. But I feel like people really appreciate that. And they appreciate that you've showcased so much of yourself and your personality in

your life. Like, I really hope to someday almost be at like an equivalent point because i feel like oh well you can tell me if you feel differently but i feel like your audience and people online like they really get you now they get me now yes and i think there were period like periods in the past where they didn't really get you no up until literally like this year no and i and I'm like, I hope you're going to get me. No, and I think, but it's like the journey. Because you know what I mean? Like I think if there was- The journey.

Right. The ups and the downs. Yeah, to see it all. But once you make it past the downs together, they're like, oh, I see you. It's a thing. And I'm so glad I put out everything. And I think that's why it's so good.

Like your whole journey, just everything you put out. Because seeing you now versus you when you're my age, like 35, right? Like 10 years from now or whatever. It's just like, it's going to be such a different person. And it's cool to see like the evolution. And you're so lucky right like 10 years from now whatever it's just like it's gonna be such a different person and it's cool to see like the evolution and you're so lucky because you have always been so like poised online and you've shown your smartness online and i think that's great and so when you do open up about stuff that's more vulnerable i think people like relate to it

because they see you i see you and i think oh just this perfect pretty girl that's because you know get all the male attention and she's just you know so lucky and rich and all stuff like that but then when you open up about this stuff you know all the stuff like your she's just, you know, so lucky and rich and all that stuff like that. But then when you open up about this stuff, you know, all this stuff, like your journey of being an immigrant to Canada and coming here and then, you know, just trying to pave your way in this like male dominated like industry and also just like coming up with your own businesses, like that's an inspiration, especially for as young as you are. You know, I look at that and I'm like, gosh, I wish I was doing that at 26, you know, like all this, like all this stuff, 22 when you were doing that. And it's amazing. I really appreciate hearing that because it's like a positive feedback loop

for me to share more. As I said, like there were just certain points in the past that I hit where I'm like, Oh, like I'm going to private all this. I just, you know, it almost got to be too much. And I felt like I became a lot more private and I'm like slowly opening back up. I think the podcast that you're doing is such a great way to show people that. Because like I enjoy that the most of all the content. I was like watching of yours and stuff. I was like, I love the podcast, which is like you talking. Yeah, I really wanted to create something. Actually, the best way that I could have put it was like,

if you really want to get to know me, like just watch the podcast. Yeah. It's really like we're hanging one on one. It really is. That's what the vibe is really cool. you talk about like the importance of like having like female friendships and all that stuff which again is something people may not look at you right like you think of a gamer girl and you think of like for lack of a better word like pick me right like okay we like fortnight whatever we gotta talk about that too well tell me what do

you think because i was like oh video game girls pick me but what do you think when people think say that so i think of course pick me's do do you think when people think say that so I think of course pick me's do exist I think especially when you're in a male dominated field sometimes you can be like almost conditioned to be a pick me like if you have thousands of people telling you like this is what's right this is what's wrong and they're all guys like you can probably get into that headspace I think I've been really lucky because during all of my worst times specifically the people who saved my mental and saved me were my female friends the ones who were like no we get it and we get why this is unfair we get your perspective and so like really my

female friendships have always been like my saving grace and I feel like it's launched me in the complete opposite of like a picnic yeah i'm almost like way too biased towards women i support women's rights and their wrongs it is what it is you can do no wrong charge 50 for cookies i support it you know what i mean like i'm that same way i became anti-men almost i'm like no females got it and i think that's just how it is like at the end of the day, who's got you? Your female friendships. Because a lot of the time female friendships, it's like sisterhood.

Whereas sometimes relationships, although they can be great and really supportive, there's also like they have conditional factors and stuff. To me, I found like the purest connection has been my friendships of like five ten years with other girls who have been through similar things and get it and honestly this is like scientifically back to there have been um like programs or things that are male dominated and they found that like when it's just one girl alone she'll like always drop out or leave or whatever but when they have a supportive community with like similar identity, then they can actually make it through or grow or build. So yeah. And it's really remarkable. I, that's kind of the same thing. I only became like a girl's girl really after birth

because I was like, no guys, whether they were straight or gay, were like understanding what I got, went through. But all the girls in my life that I didn't even think of as like friends or anything that they just understood it. So if I had a meltdown, if I had this, you know, my friends, if they were, whether they said gay or straight, they were just very much like, oh, I don't get this. This is an adjustment for all of us. And I'm just like, not for us, for me. And so girls got it. And I love that guys try. They try. They really do. But sometimes like if you don't share a certain like identifying factor with someone and you don't have that lived experience it's hard to fully understand it i also like i feel like i've become so like girl's girl or

biased towards girl to the point where like when i do see a pick me i'm just like it's okay you know hopefully pick me to girl's girl pipeline it will go it will happen i see it too i see yeah and i get it and i like get those like it picked me such a weird word but like i totally was always that person's like i want to be with the boys and like there's like nothing wrong with it of course you know what i mean like there's obviously great guys yeah hopefully like you just start to really appreciate women as well yeah at least hopefully equally that's the point right like so many people put guys at like a better standard and i always did too i was like i value guys way more than girls but then it's like at least you can look

at them equally if not more especially like you said they just get it as opposed to like guys and guys they get along but we have so much going on in our bodies and most people just don't get it and i didn't get it either until you like go through something like you said your pcos or pregnancy or anything you're just like oh man this is like not easy and it really is a hormonal thing like you know and it's wild but it's like guys can be so encouraging and supportive and really sympathize but it's different when someone can empathize right when they can be like i was there i've been there like i really i know what you're going through and that perspective you know it just makes you feel not alone which is nice yeah just like you get it and

it's not just like you just like having sympathy it's more like you said empathy is a good one there do be there do be sorry pick me's in this industry a lot though the scariest ones are the ones who seem like girls girls and they're not oh i know i know and that's like the status i know and i always pray for them too i'm like you're gonna come around you're gonna come around and i see myself in so many of them and i'm just like no you just they just don't see it quite yet but that stems from so many things you know just a lot of things you know people females always out there in competition with each other and stuff and it just also what i've hated the most like i oh i just want girls to win in my industry so bad i'm like we need it yeah more representation

yeah but i have felt sometimes people feeling competitive with me and i'm like i don't want that like i don't even care if other people compare us or put us in competition like between us we shouldn't be yeah it only helps everyone like you said i agree rising tides lift like raise all boats or something oh my god yeah that's how i see it it's true and I kind of learned that through even doing OF. I don't really do it anymore. But when I did it, it's so many girls, right, in it. They collab a lot. They collab a lot.

And it just all helped each other. And I have, like, the biggest girls on OF. And they, like, helped me get to the top. And I was like, God, they're really – I still respect those girls so much because it's like – they didn't look at it as, like, I'm giving you my fans. They're like, we're, like, helping each other. You know what I mean? And I think that was, like – I don't know.

That can be a very powerful thing, too. So when I thought about was like, I don't know. That can be very powerful thing too. So when I thought about like the gaming world and going back again to like cookie controversy and all the guys just like coming for you, I was just like, because it really was guys, right? It wasn't. We can like bleep the name out if you don't want me to say it. But was it Penguins, Charlie or whatever? And I was just like, that guy is like so nice, right?

To everyone. And he's coming for you first because he'd been nice to me too and um he had he'd like invited me to do like shoots with him or things like that and I thought at the very least if he like so vehemently disagreed with something that I did it's not that you owe me like a dm or something but he could have easily reached out yeah ultimately you know it's his content I mean like that's what he does he covers news so i get it i was just a little bit hurt that um i had come out with a statement and i think if i'm recalling correctly i might not be but if i am i think at the beginning of his video he was like yeah she came out with a statement but like i'm not gonna read that or i mean just kind of like and i'm like there's so much more context i understand it might make for a more sensational

video yeah but i think he got some backlash for it yeah i know and he never gets backlash so i was just like because this is like a nice guy that everyone respects and he got a little backlash for it because it just seems so much harsher coming from like again from guys and your field being that but how did you earn like the respect from guys in your gaming world because i see you go on podcasts and streams and stuff like that and i'm like oh you're you did a lot with girls this past week I saw but you do a lot with guys too so how do you earn the respect of guys as well as the girls I think it's just like years of hard work just being around yeah and this might sound silly but like the games that I play I try really hard to be good at them

yeah because it's like sometimes it's like the only people who respect you like you got to persevere and you like really have to prove yourself i don't even think you need like you should need to prove yourself that much but i've always been so well aware of sometimes the bias against me that again yeah i felt that need to prove myself but now i'm at a point where i'm like i shouldn't do things just for that sole purpose i should do things because i want to yeah you know and that's why i think the path you're on right now right is like you're doing it because i want to yeah so with the podcast it's like a new direction too where else do you see yourself like going or things you want to do outside of like gaming and social media and streaming honestly i've been really enjoying

like shorts like tiktoks and reels and stuff like that yeah you're kind of a tiktok queen now it's kind of like okay i'm not sure exactly that i'm not sure exactly like i guess i'm at a point where i'm like what do people want to know like what kind of insight would be interesting to my life so i think sometimes you're just like gonna throw a bunch of darts at the wall yeah see what lands see what you enjoy what the audience enjoys i think uh the last year or two especially i've kind of built out a life for myself like I live alone now got my two cats like my day-to-day my health journey all of these things that feel more me yeah and now I'm like oh I think I'm ready to kind of like let people into this new me and just see

like what they find interesting what they want to know about and just be more open in general just like letting people in yeah yeah because what do you recommend i know i think you're on the right track i think one of my problems is like i'm down for anything smart mukbang gaming fashion beauty makeup yeah like i'll do a little makeup well that's true actually because you do you with your like chemical engineering knowledge and just like wanting to make products are you thinking of doing like more product not just food but like makeup and stuff like that too, like you mentioned? Actually, the minus stuff really taught me, like I just learned so much from that experience. Obviously, there are things that I regret and apologized for and just huge learning

experience of what it means to put your face on a product. And I think you've done like product launches in the past and stuff like that. I've always flopped. I'm not like you where I'm like technical with it. I like, I rush things. I'm like, let's just do it and get it out and then i'm like i'm not happy with it but you still kind of like see the feedback see what people say and it's harsh it's harsh to put out you really learn yeah um and so i feel like i'll be much more

considerate in the future i am never gonna rush anything ever again was this rush i feel like no not really but um i think I think when you're a startup there is rush there's budget there's runway runway is essentially like how much money you have for however many upcoming months so there's very much a timeline oh okay so you're budgeting at all yeah that is very very difficult to manage and I realized like there are certain things that would be okay for most startups that are just not okay coming from me, which is tough to balance. Like at one point I started feeling like a burden to the company because I'm like, you guys have to be so careful because your name is tied to mine. A really easy example is like we started shipping to Canada and there are certain like really niche areas of Canada

where the shipping can be, let's say like $30. Like I lived in Canada. It's like, are you bringing this to me on a moose? Why is it so damn expensive? The shipping can be crazy. And when we spoke about it and they explained this, I was like, we just cannot make that an option even. And they're like, but that's just like how much USPS

or whoever is going to charge for the shipping. And I'm like, it doesn't matter because the optics are bad. Like it would look bad to have $30 shipping on $28 cookies kind of thing, you know? So yeah. And so yeah, I learned a lot from that where I'm like, oh, I really understand what it means to be like a content creator face of something.

Especially, frankly, just being in a position where like people love to scrutinize. Yeah. Oh, you're in that vulnerable position. You're a girl gamer and everyone's just waiting for your downfall. Like, you know, it feels like people want your downfall. But nobody thinks that. I mean, I don't know how you feel about this. I really wanted your take, too. like on on cancel culture and all this stuff

where it's like sometimes i feel like it's just like waves people really want to love you sometimes and and then when you're up there people really want to hate you and then is that how you feel too of course i've been like canceled two years ago low and then now it's like but it's a flow it's always a flow and i feel like you love what you do what do you do in those like lows to i guess continue i mean just continue i think that's really the secret right what do you think about cancel culture it's like unless you're like an actual crappy person and you've like or criminal things go to jail yeah right right okay yeah if you're doing like crazy stuff that's a whole other thing but yeah if it's just people just like wanting like oh my god these cookies are so expensive it's just like that's like ridiculous even your apology like having to

apologize for that you know like looking back I'm like it's just not it's just that doesn't like need an apology you know what I mean like there's so many things that do and it's anyways it's a whole thing but um yeah you just kind of keep posting and I love it and there's like no plan b for me like I love this you know so it's like what else am I gonna do like what am I gonna do like go die in a hole yeah and you love it and you're good at it you know what it's like what else am I gonna do like what am I gonna do like go die in a hole yeah and you love it and you're good at it you know what I mean like I do think for me the biggest thing that keeps me going is that usually if there is outrage it's almost never from like my followers never yeah it's like other people who know my name and maybe saw like something

really clickbait or saw a narrative like spin really negatively if frankly if my audience was ever really mad at me like i would take that so seriously like if they ever hated me i'd actually be like oh there's like no point in me making content but no but they really like keep your back yeah that's what it is and that's i think how you go through of it too because like people through all my cancellations like have like loved me you know what i mean and be like no we know you're like a good person yeah it's not like you're not like this bad person do you know what i mean if i was like a bad person then I'm like okay maybe like I would like hang it up but I also think that's like the longevity of it right if you're

a bad person you're not gonna make it like far I think if you have good intentions yeah so I think with that kind of stuff and it's just so silly like I remember now like looking back at this cookie country I'm like I'm thinking I was re-watching it all last night and I was like god this was so crazy how mad people were getting about it. And I'm just like, what? And it was like from these like guys that I'd never seen before, just like talking about it. But at the end of the day, I really do think when you're from an outside perspective, right? When it's happening, it's the worst to you. But for everyone else, I'm like, God, this is like great for business, right? We bought the cookies. We're like, let's buy them. You know what I mean? Like

any sort of controversy, I'm just like, I need to know about these cookies. And we kept buying them. Like these are fresh cookies that just came in the other day. Like we kept buying them. They're good. In the Twitch bubble, we have this term called copium. It's like a drug, copium. It's like what you think or do to cope with whatever shitty thing you're going through.

And like really my copium during that time was just like, all press is good press. Yeah. Surely. And it really is. Like I said, as long as you're not like committing crimes out there, it really kind of is at the end of the day.

And it's like literally just this harmless thing, like cookies. And I thought, I thought the whole thing was like so funny. And of all your like controversy. I'm very glad you found it funny. Yeah. Because you are.

I mean, the stuff you do is just so like fun and like silly and people sometimes take it so seriously. And I'm just like kind of wild. But yeah, cancel culture is such a weird one. But really at the end of the day, no one really gets canceled. Even horrible people, they're like still around, you know. It's also crazy how the internet is like so big now that I've seen a lot of creators almost like get canceled and then almost like rebuild an audience that doesn't know at all what happened you know what I mean they just kind of like snuck under the radar somewhere else yeah so I mean that works too I don't know the internet's such a funny place but really I just like love it so I just like could you see yourself do you think well I guess

because you did study like math and science you see yourself ever going just out of it this shit's way more fun it's so much fun and you're such a good talker and you like thank And it's like, you know, you have like an it in you sometimes and you're like, this is what I meant to do. I think like, I just, I love other people. Like I love talking to people. I love interacting. I like, I love bringing value to people. That's why I like being vulnerable or talking about things when I'm ready, you know? Um, and I think that's something that I will never get tired of. Maybe there are ways that that will translate in the future you know if maybe i have like i'm married and two kids and i do want to go more towards business and a little less content right but yeah i just love doing shit it's just so fun i know i was like that too i was like well maybe when i'm a mom i like want to do

but you just like now you're like now there's now i'm a mommy blogger there's more to show there's more to share actually that's it to share. Actually, that's it. I love sharing. Me too. I love sharing. I do too. Even when no one watches. And like social media is perfect for that.

Yeah. And it is like a connection. Like you said, I think when you don't have like, either you don't have friends or you don't want to be social, it's just like that perfect way to be social. So true. And that's why I love doing this podcast too. It's like I get to meet people like you or just, it's like such a social hour for me. And it feels so much like I never would have had before. You what i mean you really are so perfect for it oh my gosh thank

you i love your podcast and i love how fast you can talk it's you too though you talk so fast i'm like i hope this scratches people's brains yeah because i'm not gonna lie a lot of the time i listen to podcasts on 2x right Right, right. Or 1.5. No, no one does 2X on this. They're like, we got it. Yeah, I know. I know. I love it.

And they say that. That's like the term they use is like scratching people's brains. I love it. That's why when I saw, I heard your voice and stuff, I'm like, oh, you're just natural ASMR, which is kind of everything. And I kind of like love that for you. You're so sweet. I'm very excited.

I hope we can like game together. I'm getting so gassed up. No, you're, but you really are. I'm going to leave this room with the biggest head ever. When you came in, you had such good energy. First of all, I have to note that she was like so punctual. Like one o'clock was the call time. One o'clock you're here. It's important because like whoever you're meeting, their time is so valuable. I feel like when you're late, you're basically saying like, my time is more worthwhile. Absolutely not. You're right on time. And you have a production here like we're in our house with my

husband yeah no you have production you have people taking photos like oh yeah i do well yeah always i need to say like trisha's place is so trisha coded like whatever you're imagining it's that exactly that yeah we're trying to do more i want to like transform this down here so it looks like a just trish like studios like yeah merch and just all this cute stuff we're working on stuff too like it's already so cute i know it'll only get cuter and she has photos of like so many guests she's had yeah i love the guests yeah same that's why i love having like a photographer come in like right when you came in it's like paparazzi it's like shoot because i just love it that's so smart you know i love photos i'm really bad at taking photos

and like commemorating things like just for memories yeah i need to do that more i'm surprised because your phone is like so cool and i feel like that's like the perfect like camera it has like a front-facing one to give like a shout out to this phone but it's like literally has a front facing camera it's the flip five i was showing her she's like what is that it shows like your picture on the front yeah i was trying to show her when you take photos like there's a there's a little button here so oh my there's a screen at the front it's just a cute little like added thing to a selfie like in a mirror where it's like oh you can see the photo kind of twice no that's why that was like the coolest thing ever to see how you look and stuff

like that you're such a tech girl the reason it's like that is so that you can take like photos like this like closed you can still take it i thought it was so cool i thought it was like a little camera or something and i was like oh i need that i love like do you remember did you ever vlog were you a vlogger ever do you remember those little cameras that like flipped up like that they were like little compact cameras i think it was a canon one the canon one yes i love those nice oh i wish they had and you just like set it up yeah yeah and they had like a little thing so you could set it anywhere yeah i always thought those were so cool i love those i bought one like a year ago even though they've been like discontinued a long

time ago oh you found it like ebay or something oh man they're just so cute i need it i love little gadgets like that so cute and that's why i saw yours i was like i need that phone please i'll get you one you said you had multiple phones yeah wait why um okay so i use different phones for different things, but also I have different numbers because my number always gets leaked. I don't like to talk about it too much because I don't want to encourage people. Okay, yeah, we don't have to go into it.

No, it's okay. It's just like they will say or do the craziest things. Sometimes it's really bad. Sometimes it's nice like, hey, like a message. Hey, like I saw your number was posted here and there. Not too long ago, they called me and do you know what spoofing is no so you can spoof a number basically they hide their phone number with someone else's phone number that you know or don't know that i know so they found my number and my

friend's number and they made their number look like my friend so on my phone it showed up as like you know like emily or something yeah so i'm I'm like, oh, why is Emily calling me? I pick up and it's a guy who's like, I'm going to come. I don't know if it's like our word. Wait, what? Yeah. And I'm like, this isn't Emily. What?

Oh, my God. In like 18 years of doing social media, I've never heard this ever. Yeah. What do you do? Do you call the cops? Or like, how do you? You get a new phone number. Because you don't know their number. They have yours and your friends and and you're changing

it all the time so like yeah oh my god that's like so scary i know i'm learning now about like air tags and all these things that i've never heard before and they can trace you there needs to be like a website that just has like security information especially for women you know what like just broke my heart to hear? I've of course dealt with a lot of security issues in the past, but I'm like, oh, it's because I'm a public figure or whatever. A lot of women in my audience have told me like, my Instagram's private just because like I get stalked.

And they're just like a student. They don't post anything. Like stalking and security issues are so common for women, regardless of what you do. Almost worse when you're private because right where public figures if something happens like it's easier to find trace track like i always think that i'm like oh my god if i like got kidnapped or something now people would as opposed to people like you said college students they go missing they go whatever

you know it's like there's like no info really and there's no stalking like regulations like there's really not it's the worst yeah i actually had a stalker show up near my house years ago when i lived in that concentration house um and unfortunately this person was like really mentally unwell uh and they were in our area and my roommate found out and so i called the cops and i was like i don't know what to do and they said well call us if he does anything yeah i was like okay and then they did not care they don't care and I was like, I don't know what to do. And they said, well, call us if he does anything. Yeah. I was like, okay.

And then they did not care. They don't care. And we had like a substantial amount of information about this guy. And they were just like, we can't really do anything until he, I don't know, stabs you. Literally, they have to actually like actually try to attempt it. I had a guy show up with a gun to my house on my birthday in quarantine, May 8th, 2020. And he was arrested. This is like, yeah, Mo's's gonna test this so yeah i had my gate open because it was my birthday so i people were dropping things off you know my friends and

stuff because it was quarantine and so he came had the gun whatever got like arrested but he like didn't come in but he had like i could see it in the camera i saw something he was like it's a little boy a little they came arrested him took it but they couldn't put him in jail because like quarantine at the time or whatever. So they released him. He came back that night. I had 24-hour security at my house. Yeah.

It was crazy because like Moses was – there was this whole thing because we had just started like dating. And basically they're like, there's nothing we can do. So he comes back again and they're like, well, we can take him. But like we're not going to be able to do anything. He's just going to get out. And I was just like, what? Like nothing. And it was the same thing.

He was armed, all this stuff like that. And like, yeah, he just came back. And so then I got 24-hour security and it kind of like, what? Like nothing. And it was the same thing. He was armed, all this stuff like that. And like, yeah, he just came back. And so then I got 24-hour security. And it kind of like helped it a little bit. But I'm so sorry to hear that. It's crazy. And they can't do anything. They can't do anything.

It's terrible. And in moments like that, I just think like, wow, at least I'm lucky that I'm financially, like I have the finances to get security. Yeah, you have a security in your building. But imagine someone who doesn't. Yeah. like i have the finances to get security yeah you have a security in your building who doesn't yeah like isn't that what police force is in is there for to help us all yeah and it's just i don't know if it's like a law thing i don't know what it is but it's just it's really scary the stalking like i just keep thinking like i actually want to advocate for bills for like stalking security

issues deep fakes all of this stuff like if i opportunity to, girl, I'd be in front of the parliament. Hello? Let me tell you what you guys. You should be able to. I want to hunt. If anyone ever sees this who is, I don't know, a government official of some sort, I will do it. Yeah.

You had a deep fake thing. I tried to message AOC. What's AOC? You know AOC? No. She's just a really, really. Wendy's most important deal of the day has a fresh lineup. Pick any two breakfast items for $4.

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female politician i think her name is aoc alexandria something cortez okay i'm so bad i'm telling you when it comes to politics she's like she's like um the most common the most popular among young people okay she's so cool shadow aoc yeah i was like oh sure please help us texting her and stuff but i know she probably has so much on did you text her i talked about it very briefly but like i just knew during the deep fake stuff yeah yeah so you were a victim of this too not just me so many people but there was like a big like drama thing where essentially a streamer he was streaming and he accidentally showed a tab where he was looking at deep fakes of me wait what yeah that's what happened and he was like a big streamer where like a lot of people are seeing this yeah and so it just became like this

whole thing and so there was and so people like were looking this up was it on a website i don't even know anything about deep fakes how does this happen is it on a website is it on twitter like where do they see them twitter has become a bit of a crazy place where people can kind of post anything but actually i've seen some like ai inappropriate photos of me like get like tens of thousands of likes on twitter and i'm like wait so sometimes it freaks me out because people don't know if something is real or not i never know i'm the first person i'm like oh i love this flooring and ask her like, it's AI. And I was like, wait, what? Like, I don't know anything

that's like real or fake. Yeah. So that's very much something that needs regulations ASAP, especially because like, yeah, that was, as I've said, every year I learn kind of how to manage this stuff a bit better.

So I've learned certain resources to get to help take some of this stuff down. But there are also like girls in high school. That don't have the means, yeah. Who have like someone in their math class makes a deep fake of them. Wait, what? And that can be so traumatizing, especially at like such a formative young age. Like, oh, I just, it makes my blood boil.

Also life-ruining. Like your career. You could like stop getting jobs because of it. Relationships. Like that's crazy. Reputation, all this stuff. I don't know if you saw Taylor Swift had a recent issue. People started spreading, do you fake stuff?

Taylor freaking Swift. And I feel like Taylor Swift, not whatever, but I mean, that's like a little more like maybe that's probably fake as opposed to like a gamer girl. Elon will actually care and like take care of it. But with like most other people, it's like. You might think it's real because. You need to get like real good lawyers and real good cyber security did were you able to get it taken down or are they still yeah luckily but i mean i try not to be too aware of it i just have

a team of people who can kind of help me that's good stuff down yeah so how big is like you have moderators how many people do you have helping you like cyber patrol oh that team I mean like they're a group in and of themselves so I don't even know but I pay them to kind of just like help yeah I have I have some too like when I was doing the OF to take down the stuff and yeah yeah I think that's it's cool that OF girls have to know about this otherwise people re-upload their stuff a lot and they're great because they do take it down you pay like $500 a month and they like take that stuff down for you it's like really nice yeah and they probably like help each other like oh here's the guy that i use or the service that i use that's what i found

out they would tell me because i was like oh my god all my stuff's getting leaked and stuff so and even now they like i still pay that company 500 take stuff down that's so nice yeah because it's like one it's like it's your body your image yeah your choice whether or not it should be out there yeah and where it should be because just because i post it doesn't mean it can be yeah you know what i mean and stuff just all that stuff is like weird the internet can be weird that way it's also weird that for example like i've heard instances where celebrities post photos of themselves that paparazzis take and they get sued by the paparazzi and i'm like but the photo is yeah the laws around this are so so odd and the only thing that really pisses me off like like I stand so firmly on this topic, but

there have been instances where like the men were out to get me. Some, some of them. Really? Yeah. I said something along the lines of like, there should be like legal repercussions for people who do this stuff or spread inappropriate photos, especially of like minors in high school, things like that. That's disgusting.

Yeah. And people came after me. me they like they called me a communist they're like you're trying to patrol the internet what stuff i'm like god that's are you okay no the gaming world like that that's a whole different world like of2 when i was doing that that's when all like the weirdos again for lack of a better word would come up because it's just like that's wild like do you see how they're flipping that? Like, what kind of a crazy take is that? But when I tell you, like, thousands of people were after me. But when. Oh, my God.

When I'm so sure of my opinion, I don't give a fuck who's mad at me. I love that. Yeah. It's like if I said, don't be racist and racists get mad at me. Yeah. They're like, you're taking away our rights to say yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Cookie beans. No, it is crazy when people are like defending the deep fakes of it all. It's just like, wait. Yeah. What? yeah they're like you're taking away our rights to say yeah yeah yeah that's crazy cookie beans

no it is crazy when people are like defending the deep fakes of it all it's just like wait yeah what like how could you possibly that's so scary to me and that it could only like get worse right people just doing this stuff and spreading it like you said kind of really it affects you of course but like you know you at least you have your job whatever but people who like have actual corporate jobs that would get fired for it yeah like's a whole different thing it's or just young girls oh the high school thing is disgusting yeah like girls in my audience will tell me they'll say it in my chat i'm like and like what do you do this is why like politics always like kind of i just don't know because i feel helpless right like there's nothing what can you do to change it you just try to be loud enough and

hopefully get attention from some people and then but no one cares about that but yet like they're can't like care about like tiktok banning i know because you see it got passed again through like another like house or i don't i don't know do you think they'll ban tiktok i think so there's a guy i follow he always talks about like tiktok drama and he was saying like it just passed again and joe biden said he's gonna sign it if it gets passed through the third house i'm not any any sure. But it's hard to imagine. I know. Maybe.

Did you know they tried to ban it in like, was it Montana or something? Did you know? Oh, no. Did it work? They actually banned it in Montana. I think Montana. I could be wrong. Did they?

Some state. I'm Canadian. Pardon me. Yeah. And I think it was only banned for like a month and then they reinstated it. Oh, it came back. So I'm like, there's no way that long term it would stay banned. I don't think so. I don't think so either unless there's like china or something i don't

know what the whole china connection is but i almost like want to see what would happen because then kids would actually like really be involved in politics oh for sure they would take to the streets i'd be right there with you yeah for sure and this is election year because they were at the guy who was following on tiktok saying that he's like biden says he's gonna sign it in i'm like this is our time you guys i don't know anything about politics but i'm like don't vote for biden he wants tiktok but then it's like is it biden or oh my god i don't know is trump ready i don't know actually um i only have a visa so i actually can't legally vote oh really it gives me a pass where i'm like i'm kind of aware about politics

but i can't even tell you who i'm gonna vote for because i actually cannot vote oh my gosh it's so great so oh that's so interesting right because you're from Canada yeah why do I always think like Canadians can just like come here I know that's so weird they kind of can like we can stay here for like half the year but then they actually start getting mad wait really should you go back and forth oh no that's if you don't have a visa but I have a visa now so I'm okay I got it okay so visa you can just stay here then okay how do you get like a green card how do you get those things you just have to apply usually after having a visa yeah yeah okay that's cool i didn't know i don't know anything about any of this stuff i always think it's so cool that anything that i know and you're so smart with

all of it well geez man this tiktok ban this is the time the political it's very like everything seems so political now i'm like i should probably get involved and figure it out but yeah i don't know how to like same for me i just try to advocate when i can yeah like but there's awareness when we need you in the government not awareness when we need you in the government not just voting we need you in it doing i would i would happily speak to the government anytime because i feel like i have such firsthand experience with things that i would like to be passed as bills um but there's like rarely ever an opportunity or people caring enough for it to become something actionable well i feel like you're also so well spokenspoken and it's like, that's something I struggle with.

I'm like stutter a lot. And I'm like, keep speaking. No, I completely disagree. Oh my God, no, you're so poised. You know exactly what you're, me, I'm like fumbling all the time. Just because like my mind's going a million miles a minute. I'm like, what do I say?

Like, how do I say this? I'm not articulate like you. I love listening to you talk. I never feel like you don't express yourself well. Really? I think you. I go around in circles trying to get to my point. I'm like, I'm trying to get there.

But you really do get there. And you your bases which is really good it's a roundabout way I'm not always great at covering my bases sometimes I know you're so good like too opinionated I'm like period no people are like I didn't like her tone oh sorry I didn't even mean it it's so funny your tone is so sweet and bubbly like you literally could say nothing that's what I'm saying even like your little cookie ones i was like that's just like cute i feel like if i said it yes i'd be canceled i'd be like oh my god this person i'm like you but i just think the way you say it's cute and i like that yeah i do obviously regret moments right you let people almost like get to you yeah but also sometimes clap backs are funny so it's like managing like clapping back but

like not too crazy and also not letting it get to you i think you have the perfect combination for it and i think that's like so good but yeah we definitely need to get like an elwoods into congress or something like that to like fight for these yes because they have like squatter laws right where you can like just like go to someone's house and i'm like okay maybe we should get rid of that one for the most random things like you can let a squatter be in your house but not like a stalker it's like whatever it's like you know it's just so weird i don't know i still can't believe they let him out the same day yeah and it was during quarantine so i don't know if this was like spaces in jail or like doesn't matter i know like sure it matters maybe there's different processes during quarantine yeah that should not have been what they did at all and

like i said if you're just like an average person who can't get security yeah it's like and the security was expensive it was like twenty thousand dollars a month and maybe the stories i told you were like kind of whack there are way worse things that have happened to girls in the industry. Of course. So much worse. I can't even imagine. And I think like, again, just you don't hear about it as much if they're not – because you'll hear about it later, right?

You'll be like, oh, this person was a streamer. This person was an influencer. And then you didn't like realize like, oh, why didn't anyone help them? You know what I mean? Yeah. Or like you hear about it and you're like, oh, that sucks. And then you move on with your day. No one cares to actually do anything or change anything. anything yeah i guess i would hope that they would just like

talk and share the story because that's one thing about social media if you like talk and put it out there at least people are aware and i feel like that's the only thing you can really do honestly because no one's doing anything about it but hopefully that'll like change soon and i love that you are such an advocate and your voice for all this stuff i think that's like so important i think i do it i can yeah it's not always easy people get mad at you the the more opinions you have that's true but you got to keep speaking them you know what i mean yeah i know i go back and forth so i'm like i don't want to get canceled at the same time i'm like but i have something to say yes but you're a martial artist you did martial arts so if anyone right that's what i

read someone said you did like a video wait really i thought you did in school i thought on the thing i was like, martial artist over here. It says you're a martial artist and cosplayer. Oh, I just do that stuff for like videos for fun. Okay. I don't even cosplay that much. Just sometimes. You just cosplayed recently, didn't you?

I did one in Texas. I didn't know who it was, but I loved it. It was so good. Thank you. Is it like a comic book or? It's a new video game character. Video game. They were both video game characters.

Yeah. I want to do more video game cosplays. You would kill it in cosplay. But they're not like cute. No offense to the Fortnite skins, but I just don't more video game cosplays. You would kill it in cosplay. But they're not like cute. No offense to the Fortnite skins, but I just don't think there's like any cute ones to cosplay. Not Fortnite. Who would I?

I don't know. I liked whatever you were. Genshin Impact. They have the craziest. What is it? Genshin Impact? Yes. Genshin Impact.

They have the craziest outfits. Valorant is pretty cool too. That was the other game that I did. There's so many more. If anything, you should do anime cosplays. Oh, I want to get into anime. But that's different than hentai, right? That's not the same thing.

Someone painted me as hentai. I was like, I don't know if I want this. You're so funny. Basically, hentai just means like porn anime. Okay, because I thought it was anime. Someone's like, I drew you as anime. And I was all just like. Naked.

Yeah, I was like, oh, I don't know. That's not anime. That's hentai. That's what people were saying. And I was like, what's hentai okay so this is different what's anime what's the different so they're clothed yes and it's just like a tv show like you know like sailor moon or something yes that's the only one i know yes what other ones what other ones are you into there's so many oh my god i'm trying to think of something that you would do really well

there's a cute like cat one called like muew Mew Powers like I think you should really do like a girly pop anime or maybe like Jojo or like One Piece like something really iconic pictures and put them up you know Meg the Stallion yes have you seen her cosplay no she does so many she's so good at it yeah oh I have not seen any of them so uh there's a term for people who are like really into anime. They call them weebs. I love that. I've heard of weebs. She's a huge weeb.

Really? Like she really watches anime. Oh my gosh. I would die for her. Oh, okay. You love. There are probably so many like cute, like blonde anime characters. I need to get into it.

Yeah. I could send you some. Is it all in Japanese? There's subtitles. Okay. Okay. I have bad eyes, so I can't read subtitles. Sometimes it's dubbed, so There's subtitles. Okay. Okay. I have bad eyes, so I can't read subtitles. Sometimes it's dubbed, so it could be in English.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Don't worry. I mean, I love the Japanese language because I want to go to Japan, but I love the whole culture of it, but I haven't gotten into it. I need to watch it for sure. Dub.

It's just like it's in English. It's like watching any show. So you watch it? Yeah. Okay. You don't do any Japanese or speak any of that? No. I would see girls that

are like that's it just say a little hello sometimes i see girls like sorry that's it i went to japan a couple times i mean you just learned like hello and sorry excuse me okay what'd you go for it with youtube or something or just for fun i went with some streamer friends once we streamed a little bit and then another time i went for like a sponsorship yeah who are you with it was a video game like a horror game so cool in japan and there was this big convention and we were just like there playing the game and talking about it oh my god that's like a dream it was so fun did you go to like disney or anything over there no sadly but the food there is insane are you like a sushi is that what they have like sushi um i like. I feel like I would go like there.

That's so interesting about you. I didn't know because of all my research I wasn't like this is a foodie girl right here. I'm going to post more food content I think. I love that. I'd be eating. What's your 20% that you like binge on? Not binge on but like. I've been eating a lot of Korean food. Tteokbokki.

They have a really good fried chicken actually. Oh my god yes. We go to Koreatown just a really good fried chicken, actually. Oh my God. Yes. We go to Koreatown just to get the fried chicken. We both used to live over there and I'm just like, they're fried chicken. Do you know BBQ chicken? I've been wanting to try this. Is it good? Because it's a chain, right? BBQ chicken is so good. There's one in Northridge by actually my and the two hot dogs, the two hands. Please, BBQ chicken. It it's crispy i have been a fried chicken fanatic since high school like actually the guy who asked me to prom he put the prom tickets in a kfc bucket and asked me and it was like do you want to go to kfc too like literally since high school

so when i tell you bbq chicken like it shocked me how good it was just the original but they have so many fun flavors like cheesy fried wings like they have so so so much i'm gonna go there like right after this i swear please because there's one like 20 minutes from us yeah and they have um like really good fried rice and tteokbokki have you had that what is that no rice cakes the rice cakes what is what is it no way you haven't had no is it like long or is it like circle yeah it's like it's like this honestly it's like a finger but it's like carb and what's in it like rice or is it like circle? Yeah, it's like, it's like the, honestly, it's like a finger, but it's like carb. And what's in it? Like rice, but in the form of a cake.

It's almost like a potato-ish. It's like a carby, chewy thing that you eat. That sounds delicious. They have, they have like plates of it there with like spicy sauce and it's so good. Oh my God. You're going to make me one. I like, that sounds so good, honestly. Yeah.

We have to do a mukbang. We do have to do one dude someday if i'm ever pregnant oh i'm gonna post a crazy craving series today i'm craving literally everything i just listed i've been talking about this bar the bbq chicken place for so long i want to go yeah it's right next to a korean fried cheese place in the valley and i'm like my recent obsession oh it's so. But yeah, Koreatown has like really good fried chicken. We've gone to like the mall and they have like really good fried. Oh, it's like my weakness for sure. Have you been to Babbel? No, where's that?

It's an arts district. Okay. It's just like my favorite restaurant to recommend to people. It's a Middle Eastern spot. Have you been to Babbel over there, babe? You need to get a reservation. It's like booked up, but it would be such a great date night. What kind of Middle Eastern food is it um they have like kebabs they have lamb like a lot

of lamb dishes they just have that's what i'm having really good hummus and like the fluffiest pita bread you'll ever have in your life that's like my weakness pita bread is definitely my weakness oh my gosh you're just gonna adore it those two places i love that you know all this like food i do i'm like maybe I need to make videos of that. Food blogger for real. Yeah. I'm down. I love it.

And so do you, do you mostly eat out or do you cook too? I actually have a friend who, who she's like a fitness influencer kind of, and she has a whole like meal prep service. So that's where the 80% is. I see. Like a lot of the meals I eat are like organic, not inflammatory foods, gluten-free kind of like meal prep already made for me. So when I want to go out with friends

or treat myself a little, I can because I know everything I make at home is either that or I make my own like breakfasts and stuff. Yeah. So most of my food is that. Oh, that's amazing. The meal prep thing, that should be your next foray too. Like do collab with your friend

because meal preps are so hard to find good ones that are like actually tasty and stuff, you know? Usually they're just like boring or whatever or not enough food yeah i think it's like weight watchers where the food is just like oh not enough yeah it's like have you ever thought about like acting or anything like that because you did do free guy which by the way would you ad lib that or was that a script both kind of like they made me read the script lines and they're like okay but how would you say it too so a bit of both i actually i never really thought about acting

really you ever oh i mean that's like my dream i don't act i've never acted but i would love to i would love to just be like in a movie that's when i saw you in free guy i was like oh i'm so when i see or finance at freddy there was a bunch of like gamers in there too and i was just like i want to be maybe i need to go into gaming because all the gamers get to be in these movies i actually really appreciate that they like include us because i'm like oh you guys like actually care you could use some random actor or something yeah but you're like recognizable and so when I feel like it's cool for both of us hopefully I don't know for sure I think you were the only girl in there right in the yeah that was so cool they had you be like he's so cute

and I was like okay I love that yeah he was it was we watched that movie I had no idea what it was about I didn't I went in I'm like what is this but it was good it was we watched that movie i had no idea what it was about i didn't i went in i'm like what is this but it was good it was a good movie but i'm surprised like sometimes gaming movies can be so cringe so i was glad this one was actually like pretty good interesting plot kind of thing but yeah acting is obviously like just so cool i feel like i admire um the art so much that i'm like i can't do that you know what i mean oh really i'm like but I can't do that. You know what I mean? Oh, really? I just feel like, but you did it. You're in a movie. That's the goal. That's a cameo, you know? I'm just being me. Girl, I would die for that cameo.

I was like, wow, you were in a movie in theaters. Do you have an agency? Now I do, but it's taken like 18 years to get. Literally, how? But I told them, I was just like, yeah, I would do free guy cameo, you know, whatever it takes. No, agencies, it's great because they usually have like a movie department. Are you with someone? Yeah, I'm with i'm with uta okay oh that's huge because you're so recognizable you just tell them like

i would be down so hopefully they should get that opportunity for you yeah i mean i'm definitely going to tell them now but what do you tell your agents like what do you mostly focus on with them um i think nowadays i mean like every year or two i'm like something new something new wow now i'm like maybe some voiceover some podcast stuff like it would be so cool to do something like that would be so good for you because especially after the asmr yes and your voice goes so many i always see the tiktok trend now too they're like i'm a voice actor and they do like the line and i was like wow so cool they do a lot of anime and that's why i was like oh my god that would be like so perfect for you it would be so cool so that's very much and that's like also something that's

like low-key i feel right like yeah you don't have to be you you know you don't have to be this full like presentation but i think really i just like do a new shit yeah what's next what's new i know i want to know i want to know all the what's next for you but it sounds like you have so much of your hands full they're gonna be more cookies we've been in the works for some stuff i think for me it's very much yeah yeah snacks snacks snacks different kind oh maybe make some like healthy rice krispies that's what i want i love rice krispies yes i'm like mine is so much butter and marshmallow i feel like i'm gonna have a heart attack after eating them so i like it and especially because the only other kind of rice krispies are like the super plain ones yeah like the rice i don't know no there's like a

healthy one that jacqueline hill talked about i like, this is not it. It's not good. Yeah. I'm telling you, like in LA, there are so many like healthy snacks. They all taste terrible. They do. They taste like actual cardboard. This is really satisfying my craving. Not at all.

Right. That's like tricks your brain. It sucks. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, Mina has been in the works with some stuff i think i'm just trying to figure out like do i want to do do i want to do more business like being the face of something or do i just kind of want to make content because really when i launched it i learned like the liability that is being the face of something yes oh so you maybe would do it anonymously or

something maybe i don't know but i feel like i to figure it out right i bought these cookies because they're pokey cookies so i was like anything you you know what i mean i know what you mean about being the liability of it all but i do think there's something to be said that people just love you and will support you that's so no matter what like that it really like touched my heart so much like seeing everything that happened but seeing people still buy it and i'm you know maybe some of them are just really curious yeah but regardless i'm like oh people still really support it i think more than ever right you see someone go down for like nothing that crazy and you're just like now it's time to support even more you know or even like well i'm curious i'm like please because like yeah i would not be affiliated with something that really i did not

think was worth it so i knew anyone thought i like, you had a good time for them, right? Yeah, try them because they're actually good. And I just thought the whole thing was just amazing. And you're just so smart and genius at marketing and everything. And I just can't wait to see it all. And with the podcast, now you're expanding. You said you might be doing more guests,

more like deep dives into you. Right now it's only on Spotify, but I'm like, maybe time for YouTube. Maybe time for some maybe oh i saw video clips or co-hosts or something yeah people are just re-uploading it yeah i primarily just upload on spotify oh so the video is on spotify okay because the video and the audio is on spot do you have but does the don't tell anyone do they have a tiktok right yeah so they're posting i think there's a tiktok like with just clips but mainly it's like instagram and Spotify. Instagram and Spotify. Cause that's the one I saw where you had your

hair up in these cute little buns. And I was like, I'm doing pokey buns. That was like so cute. You look so cute. I was trying to figure out, I was like, let me see what's like the vibe. And then you came in looking so good. You look like gossip girl right here. You look so amazing. You look good. Like I'm just, I feel like in all seeing you in person because i've been like seeing you online for so long and dude ever since even like the music video you were in years ago like i don't know if you realize like how pretty you are like definitely not i always hate myself but thank you please know like you are so genetically blessed oh my god you you have like the face of a star

i'm not kidding i don't think i've ever been hyped up as much as you're hyping me up i am not kidding like yes you have the personality of a star but you also have like the face and the look me being nine months just like rad like oh it feels like a monster no sweetie you could never just because like literally here your face card will never decline that's my favorite even when you were younger like i love seeing like the music video clip of you and of course i've seen literally like all of your eras you wrote such a great storyline and i'm happy that i got to follow it for so many years you know well thank you i love it i thought i got a happy ending i can't wait to watch your whole storyline you deserve you really deserve your flowers thank you and all the compliments

you're literally the sweetest and you're just glowing and beautiful and everything you know i only say what i mean though like i know and i feel it take it to heart oh i feel it so like like you said in my chest i feel it in my bones and everything and i really do hope to like see you again and just see where you go and anything you want me to do i'll be there okay like i would love like take me under your arms tell me what to do like bbq chicken soon yes yes anything you want especially because like i just love the girlies i love your audience yeah and like i watch you i watch everyone you bring on like i watch all of that content you've always always been supportive. But like, it's like I love you guys

from afar. I'm like, I'm in my little gaming bubble. Go to her gaming bubble. Go to her gaming bubble. But now you're way more than a gaming bubble. Thank you.

You're out there. Please go subscribe everywhere. Go watch her on Spotify. Thank you guys so much for watching. Her gaming, her Twitch, you're like an icon and a trailblazer.

And you'll even see that in 10 years from now. People will be like, look back on you and be like, damn, this girl had a journey and we were all witnessing it and it's really fun to see. So enjoy the journey. I hope you guys were entertained. Yay! You guys are the one and only

PokeMom, PokeMain, PokeImon. We love you. I appreciate you so much. Thank you.