Just Trish - Reby Hardy Talks Married Life with Matt Hardy & Raising a Gothic Baby

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

Former TNA wrestler and current social media superstar Reby Hardy joins Trish to discuss what it's REALLY like raising a gothic baby amidst all the mom-shaming. Plus, she opens up about married life with WWE star Matt Hardy–and the boundaries she will NOT let him cross. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey guys! Welcome back to Just Trish. I have probably one of my all-time favorite people in the world here today. She's a content creator with over 2 million followers on TikTok, a former wrestling superstar, playboy model, mother to gothic baby, and all-around queen, Miss Reby Hardy. Oh my god, I can't believe I'm here. This is amazing. Oh my gosh, I am so excited. It's surreal to me to see you. I'm just like, you look so good. Oh my gosh. Thank you. You've lived the life I've always wanted. We talked about this upstairs.

Your early 2000s life. I mean, now you're still living the life I wanted in your themed mansion with your hubby and four kids. But I want to start at the beginning. I mean, we could go way to the beginning. There's so much. But I DM'd you and I was like, I loved you on TNA. And you're like, oh. No, I mean, we could go way to the beginning. There's so much, but I DM'd you and I was like, I loved you on TNA. And you're like, oh, no, I thought, no, honestly, because they're

in wrestling. There's only, it's almost like strippers, right? Like you all kind of have similar sounding names. I was like, is she confusing me with somebody else? Like, cause this cannot be wrong. I was like, that's so funny. Who does she think she's actually talking to? Because it's not, you can't be talking about me. I was like, really? I was a hundred I was 100% you I remembered it vividly so much like the magic there was even some on YouTube still with me one friend I was telling you I mean we're not like we're friends I guess but we were friends back in the day and you wrestled her and I saw and I looked it up last night and it's on YouTube still like the wrestling match between you two yeah and I was obsessed you were like you've been blonde you've been brunette You were just like tiny with these like big boobs.

I was just so obsessed with you. It was very, it was, can we curse here? Yeah. I was very f***y. I was like very blonde, like just shaking my ass in the ring. You were. The persona. Oh, I wanted to be you so bad.

I think a lot of the teenage girls I wanted to be, I was so envious because you guys all just looked so cute put together and yeah, fed into it. I like what, you know, I'm here for like the women's empowerment, like female movement, like we're strong too. And like, yes, obviously. But like, I feel like when you ignore the fact of like, these are like feminine badasses, like you're losing a lot of it. So that's what I loved about TNA that they really like fed into that. Like we were able to play into that and like be blonde and be ridiculous and like sexy. Yeah. Oh, I love that so much. fed into that. Like we were able to play into that and like be blonde and be ridiculous and like sexy.

Oh, I love that so much. I miss that. But like as superheroes too, I'm like, God, I wish they were like sexy superheroes. Like I love the like, yeah, I'm a badass and all I do is like beat people. But like, I don't know. There's something to be said for that too.

How long were you on TNA for? Officially like three years. So, okay. So you wrestled for three years with tna and you got pregnant was it planned we were we were not not trying but for the longest time i actually didn't think i could get pregnant at all um what's crazy is like the weekend that we were set to do our well the the monday after the we were gonna be doing our ivf and going through it because i was so nervous because i mean maybe maybe TMI, but like

we were like banging every day and nothing was happening for like five years. And I was like, something's up here because statistically, you know, that's, that's, that's something's off. So, uh, he went and got tested first and he had no problems and I'm like, shit, it's me. So I'm like freaking out. So I like make this consultation and that was set for Monday that Saturday after years and years of nothing happening, I found out we're pregnant. So we weren't technically trying, but like we were about to be trying and that was like what I had wanted to do. So yeah, I guess, thank God, the start, cause that is so expensive. The start, the stars aligned before I had to go through that. Yeah. That's what, that's exactly what we were going to do too. We were going to do IVF after

the wedding and then we got pregnant like that time we got married, but we were going to do too. We were going to do IVF after the wedding and then we got pregnant the time we got married. We were trying for body and hair. Same thing. Even before him, TMI, for eight years I would never wear nothing. I would just do whatever and never got pregnant. You just assume maybe there's something wrong. Maybe it's not possible. I don't know.

Once it happens, it's funny. It's like the floodgates open. Now he just looks at me side eye and I'm pregnant. So I mean, I guess. Four kids. So how many years in between? I know you have eight. Almost two years exactly in between all of them. Yeah. With the exception of the last two, they're like 18 months apart. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So I've been like pregnant and or nursing for nine years at this point. How does that feel? Are you just like, do you love it? Or are you just like, oh my gosh,

okay, this is a lot. No, I'm happy to finally not be pregnant. If we continued on our like trajectory that we were going, like I'd already be like, you know, third trimester by now with the next, because that's, I mean, that's just like clockwork. I was going to say Evie's too. It's that time. It's the longest I've not been pregnant since 2015. Wow. And TikTok wants you to be pregnant so bad. They're like manifesting it for you. And I, I, I kind of do too. And if I didn't have to have, I know if I, if I didn't have to have the baby, like absolutely. But I think it's the pregnancy part. Like I feel like I could handle like more children, more babies. Like, but the, I have hard pregnancies. My teeth fall out. My hair hair falls out I'm bald

that's why I'm always in these damn wigs your girl is bald wait what no it's bad like your hair that looks so because I've seen your natural hair it's very thick and like black it looks a lot of powder really no I I go through it I like I'm on a scooter my last trimester like I'm a wreck oh my god I would never know Cause you do natural births too. I do. Yeah. Home births. You never did an epidural?

No. Cause with Evie, you were, she was in the rain outside. Yes. At home. I need to know about this story. Cause I heard a little bit on TikTok, but I need to know more details. I was, there was a show and I don't want to say it was just because of the show, but it kind of like, I don't know, flipped a switch in my mind.

It was like born in the wild and it was like a very short run show but it was like people literally like with these wild aspirations of like going into the jungle going into the forest and like having completely unassisted births like literally in the wild and I was like wow how cool would that be and I had already done home births I'm like what if we did it outside right like how can we make it crazier not that I'm like, like, trying to make my birth, like, an event, you know, but it kind of is an event. It's an event. You know, like, and I am a person who, like, really wants to be in control of that and make my own decisions and be, like, totally autonomous, like, with the birth. So I was like, what if, you know, what if we did it outside?

And actually, we had just built our pool, and we ended up, up like custom building an outdoor bed for the birth specifically. And we ended up not being able to use it because it was a rainstorm. And she was literally like as active labor started and everyone's like, yeah, right. But there's video of it. And every time I would have a contraction, I swear to God, it would thunder. Oh, it was the most like primal. I felt like like I was in like a 40 max movie.

I mean, it was insanity. Wow. And then when she was born, the rain stopped and my playlist was going and Beach Boys Don't Worry Baby played. No way. Yeah. And it just happened on the floor of my pool house. Wait, we didn't even get to use the damn bed that we custom built for outside.

Yeah. The next baby. So, okay, so it started, like, lightning. Yeah, the next baby will be out on the bed. You'll have a whole scenic thing. There you go. We'll bring a menagerie of animals, maybe, next time. I don't know. Do you guys have animals out there? Because you already have, like, what, 100 acres? We, in theory,

we should, right? We should be, like, raising animals and stuff, but it would end up being just me taking care of it, like I do everything else. Right. I can't. People are like, oh, do you have pets? I'm like, I wipe enough asses. God, you don't understand. Like I can't clean up any more poop. Oh my God. I can't even imagine yet. Cause it's poor kids and you don't have any like nannies or anything. No. Thank, thank goodness I had my dad. We moved him from Puerto Rico onto the compound. So it's like a hundred acres. It's, uh, our house. And then next to us is my husband's brother.

And then across from that is their dad. And then across from that was their aunt. And then across from that is my dad. Oh, I didn't know that. So it's like a yeehaw compound. Oh, that's so fun though. At least you're not out there by yourself. When you were saying you're out there, because Matt, you said travels like you see him once

a week or something. And I'm like, wouldn't that be so scary? But you have family and a lot of guys out there to help you too yeah well at least yeah so you don't feel like scared a lot of stun guns and yeah yeah oh my god so okay wait yeah well that's true because you said a lot of fans like show up because your house became like a prop I don't know if we want to talk about that but I guess you can get it no I mean I mean it is it it's when we kind of did it to ourselves to ourselves because our house was part of the lore of our storyline on TV and not even just on WB. It was on WB, on TNA, on AEW.

It's been part of everything. And it's sort of like this backdrop and like a landmark that people will just come and take pictures. But it's kind of weird because there's nothing else around. So it's not even like, oh, we're just stopping by. So if people are there, they're there for that. They know, yeah. A little crazy. And especially Matt, we do good cop, bad cop.

He'll stop and he'll talk to everybody anytime. Really? Mid-bite for a hot dog in his mouth. Doesn't matter. He'll put it down. He'll start talking. Really? Sauce on his hand.

And I'm like, obviously, I appreciate fans and stuff. But I'll be like, bro, you can't wait till he's done. Oh, for sure that. Come on. Oh, for sure. No for sure no I yeah you have to they're eating don't do anything so it's like hard when he's not home and people show up like I I lose it sometimes and I'm glad yeah I'm glad none of that's ever gone out because I'm sure someone would be able to use that against me like I'd have some charges or something but I mean it's it's a little crazy well you have like you have people on there with you which makes me feel better for you and stuff like that. People should know.

This is a wrestling family. And you're also tough because you were a wrestler too. I'm very confrontational. Are you? Yeah. Still? I love to fight. Oh, wait.

What? Like physical fight? I've grown a little bit as a person, I'd like to think. But if someone starts some shit in me. Yeah. You're able to fight if someone comes at you. Yeah. There's a lot of pent up aggression, I feel.

Really? Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's so funny because you come across so wholesome mom. But then I could see that side. Thank you. No, there's a duality there for sure. Yeah.

Because I knew a lot about you. But then when I was researching for this, I was like, oh yeah, you were feisty back in the day. But I was like, wow, she's such a mom now. You wouldn't think that. I've calmed down. I've calmed down a lot. But yeah. No, it'll come this, I was like, oh yeah, you were like feisty back in the day. But I was like, wow, she's such a mom now. Like you wouldn't think that. I've calmed down. I've calmed down a lot. But yeah, no, it'll come out.

I think it's good. I think it's good to be that way. I'm such a pushover. I'm someone who like doesn't like confrontation. I like run. I'm so scared of it. So I'd rather be like you because I just let people like walk all over me. And I'm like.

You got to sometimes like just like transport yourself into a character. I feel like sometimes even when like I don't feel like I have the balls to confront somebody. I just like, okay, now I'm like, okay, now I'm not my wrestling character and that's going to take over. And now we're going to fight. When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill. When the in-laws decide that actually they will stay for dinner. Instacart has all your groceries covered this summer.

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Yeah. Did you and you went to school in New York? Yeah, I went to born and raised in Queens. Wow. So which is why it's such a transition now to where I am. But yeah, North Carolina, just middle nowhere. Taking it for granted. Let me tell you because

you know kind of like what we were talking about with evie like she's just so used to everyone fawning over her and wanting to take pictures and like being recognized i'm like i'm gonna have to explain to you someday that like this is not normal like this doesn't happen to every child you know but like growing up in new york especially now looking back where i have to drive like an hour to go to a grocery store it's like well i really took it for granted I used to cut school and go to TRL you know what I mean like did you really yeah well see you really did live my dream life that was like my dream TRL bro it's like cars and daily and I'm like boys holy take that for granted oh I miss that era for sure and you were right there in New York of it all were you always did you always think you'd be like famous

like did you always want to be? I did always want to be. I would watch like Kids Incorporated and like Mickey Mouse Club and like dance with the TV. Like that's going to be me. Oh man. That same, seeing Britney on there and stuff like that. Dance classes, all of that. Because you were on Off-Broadway, right? You did a musical, which I was like shocked to find out.

Yeah. So because you sing, I see you on karaoke all the time on TikTok, but I didn't know you were like a singer. No. Which by the way, I love karaoke. We always have karaoke parties. So next one you have to come to. Nice. Oh my God, I would die. Dream. So you sing, did you take like lessons and stuff? Just, just for dance and theater and stuff. Stage combat, never for singing. So that's why I always open my karaoke. She was like, I am not a singer. We're just messing around. You were on Off-Broadway in a musical. So obviously you could sing yeah i guess not never any lead stuff but yeah that's better i've never even been like background on off-broadway so girl you have like a whole ass album that i auto-tune and pay for we were bumping it in the car okay joshua payne is christmas listen it was pretty fun i know we're

talking right before this started and i'm like I truly have been following you for as long. I didn't put the two and two together, because I do remember so specifically the TNA thing. And I was just like, I loved you so much. And I did. I remember seeing Gothic Baby, and then Malibu was around the same age. And I remember the first time you had Gothic Baby duet, Malibu was Wednesday. So cute. I was dying.

The Wednesday show changed my life. I literally said, if we have another daughter, I'm like, I want to name her Wednesday. Even though it's kind of a name I'm sure everyone uses now. It's so good. And I feel like Wednesday on Netflix inspired everyone to be gothic babies. It came like in the perfect timing for us. And it's funny because so many people thought that I was doing the gothic baby because of Wednesday. People who were, you know, just tuning in once it had started going viral.

And then the Netflix show started. And what's crazy is the school in the Netflix show is Nevermore and her name is Evermore is her real name. I don't really talk about that too much but yeah. So everyone was like you named her after the thing on Wednesday. I'm like bro I've been pregnant with this baby like for three years. Yeah you're like I was the

first. Isn't that so frustrating though because the Barbie movie came out after Malibu Barbie 2 was born and I was like I swear this was she was born before the movie but it is frustrating it's like and it like you know it helps what you're doing if you're trying to get stuff out there that's true and everyone was sort of in that like gothic mood which was you know oh yeah really pop off but yeah that was totally the vibe i'm surprised i never reached out to you guys to like do a promo or something because that's such their demographic they sent me like a cute little pr box with like a letter. I didn't know it was coming either. I

never applied to anything. Apparently you could like apply on a website. Some people were saying, but they said like an acceptance letter was the coolest box that came in like Nevermore. And it said like, don't open until a specific date. And I was like, what is this? I was so scared. I was so nervous. And they opened it and it was her acceptance letter to Nevermore Academy with like little Nevermore Wednesday merch. Oh my God. It was the coolest thing. Oh, so they did say, so they recognize, they know.

Somebody on their team did. Some social media girl, I'm sure. Oh yeah. So I saw her name was Evermore. Does it have any relation to like the original Addams Family, anything? It does. It does. So her name comes from, like it's Edgar Allen Poe inspired.

So like never more. And then my husband's mom died when he was really young and her, her maiden name was more and his middle name is more. So I was like, Oh, well we could honor your name, honor your mom. And then sort of have like a little Gothic element to it with Edgar Allen

Poe reference. And that's, that's how that name came to. Oh, that is really cool. Your names are epic. All your boy names to Bartholomeomew. Is it Wolfgang? And there's Max. Maxel. Yeah. Maxel. How did you come up with these? I got a lot of heat for Bartholomew.

It's a name. I love it because it's so different. I feel like it's like, it's biblical. Like it's long. It's old timey. It's kind of gothic, you know, like, and then the last name is Hardy. I feel like this is what sold my husband on the name that was my alternative name like we want to name kit or i want to name kit uh because we've got wolfie like wolf and then like a baby fox is a kid so i was like oh let's keep the animal theme going i don't know and he was like i don't know it's not driving me crazy so i was like well what if we did like barthelme like bardy bardy hardy oh my god he's like that's a wrestling name oh That's a wrestling name. We're going to do it. I was like, all right. The kid's set with his gimmick, Barty Hardy.

Do you think he would go into it? I think if anybody would be him, because he's got that brolic body type like my husband. He came out stocky. I feel like it would only make sense because you said Matt's been doing it since he was 16 and he's in his 40s now and he's not stopping anytime soon, you said. So someone will have to carry on the Hardy name. Yeah. One of us is going to have to take him out or, yeah. He'll be out there in like a wheelchair managing the boys or something.

That would be so cute, though. Honestly, that would be cute. Would you want that? He wants that. That's his dream come true. I know that. Yeah. I mean, I think he should have already

kind of hung it up just for the sake of his body. Like I know he loves it and everything, but having your son go through that, would you want him to go through the same? Being a girl and wrestling and being in it? Like I know, like wrestling has given my family so much and like, obviously my fit my husband and and you know the life that we have it's due to wrestling but it's also like kind of been the worst in a lot of ways and it's brought like a lot of the the bad stuff that's in our life is also because of wrestling it's sort of this like double-edged sword so I would want them to and they want to because they see you know their dad is a superhero and they want to do that too you know we have a ring in our house and they get in there and they do their

little moves and stuff and but it scares me because i know the dark side of it too and uh you know you want to protect them as much as you can but it's it almost feels like they're like you know already got a contract set like they're already gonna do it sort of which is what everyone is is thinking so if they wanted to i guess i would have to suck it up but i would be living in fear every minute of every day it's so hard yeah because it's not just the body total like you said too just like they're traveling and the lifestyle there's a lot of negative stuff in wrestling that is normalized that shouldn't be and you know people get dragged into and you know it's just it's part of the business you know but and it looks so glamorous like on the outside because i have been like i guess you would say like i'm not like a wrestling

a hardcore fan because all the wrestling fans will be like no you're not but i've definitely followed wrestlers i feel like you know a lot more about wrestling than i would have ever expected i'm like blown away actually yeah i like learned all it was it kayfabe kayfab is that what it is you know i go through my eras where i get a little obsessed i'm gonna die fab. Is that what it is? Girl, heal. No, you suck at this. You know, I go through my eras where I get a little obsessed. I'm gonna die. Talking kayfabe with Hersha Payton. I mean, I never in my life thought that's amazing. Yeah, I

was definitely into like, there was a moment into the wrestlers. Like I said, I wanted to be a female wrestler more than anything. You guys were on, was it USA Network or something? You would've killed it. Why didn't you? Oh, I was never fit. You would've been, you would've taken over. No matter. There was never a chubby wrestler. Listen. You guys were all fit.

And I loved it. That was my idea. It was very Playboy. It was like you and Holly Madison. I was just like, you know, I want to be that. But I never could. Oh, my God. I know.

I wish I could go back in time and be a wrestler. I think that'd be so much fun. And now you're the queen. So it doesn't even matter. Oh, thanks. Speaking of, OK, back to your early Y2K days. So you were wrestling. But you also did Playboy, which is like okay, back to your early Y2K days. So you were wrestling,

but you also did Playboy, which is like the epitome of like Y2K. If you were in Playboy, you were like the most beautiful girl in the whole world. 2000s Playboy. I, I scammed my way into it. I finagled my way into it. Was it through TNA or did you do that first? Like what was first? Before that, I feel like, I feel like everything in my life life I kind of owe to Playboy which sounds crazy because it's like a very polarizing brand nowadays with all the crazy stuff that's come out but back in the day I like you name drop Playboy and that opened so many doors that started my wrestling career that started my career in radio you know because people the it had it had a lot more brand name value as like a marketable asset if you were presented as like, oh, Playboy model this, Playboy model, you know what I mean? So it's like it opened so many doors for me.

Honestly, I feel like my husband probably would have never even dated me if I wasn't a Playboy. How did you meet? Did you meet at the Playboy mansion? No. No, no, no. He just because he loves hoes. I mean, who didn't love a Playmate? That was like the Nickelback song. He just wanted to be able to date a Playmate, I think. You know what I mean who didn't love a playmate that was like the Nickelback song

everyone wanted to be able to date a playmate I think you know what I mean everybody wanted to that was the goal I still think it is I think if you were a playmate it's like such a I think the new generation doesn't understand like what Playboy was like different now it was like a cultural phenomenon and it's funny because like nowadays I feel like everybody has like OnlyFans and like get your bag do it I love it I would do it too if I wasn't this. But like back in the day, like it was your only avenue to be able to do that. And it was like, it wasn't seen as like, oh my God, nudity was like an American culture staple. It wasn't just like tits and ass.

It was beautiful. The sets, the lighting, the hair, the makeup. It was just gorgeous. I mean, part of history, you know, back then is what it felt like. It still is because now it's not even existing anymore. So, like, people don't even understand they can never be a Playboy person anymore. Put me in the encyclopedia. Oh, man.

So, what year were, what was your first play? You did two? I did a couple. I did, like, a Girls Of and then I did a Spread and then I did a Celebrity, which is crazy. Wait, so what were the Girls Of what? Montauk, which is, like, The most, no, you're from Queens. No, not even. I'm a failure.

No, that's kind of bouj. Montauk's boujee, right? That's where all the fancy people are from. It's like Hamptons. Yeah. So it's like this little town, like furthest east you could go. It's like the end of the world.

And how that happened is like, I was like married when I was 16. It's a long story, but- You don't even know about that story. I did listen to you on the Don Blanca podcast. I want our viewers to know, cause I am obsessed with being married young. I always want to be married.

That's a whole other thing, but I love. Oh, I'm obsessed. Like the Jerry Lee Lewis movie when he married his cousin at 13. Like that's what I wanted to be. He was 21, I was 13. Yeah, I had an unhealthy obsession with being a child bride.

So I need to ask you about that. But which is crazy, which I love hearing your story because you make it, obviously it's not glamorous, but I thought it was, I was like, wow, to be chosen at 16. I think it's, if it was a different situation, it might've been glamorous, but yeah, I chose wrong. I didn't have much of a choice, but I want to hear the playboy story, but I do want to go back to that because I'm like, I'm serious. Like I'm telling you, your life is like everything that I've like fantasized and dreamed of. So I like hearing when even upstairs, you'd like pull back the curtain a little bit

and it's like, just real. I was just like, upstairs, you'd pull back the curtain a little bit and it's just real. I was just like, okay, well, there's some real, because you do see him on the outside. I mean, you do have a great life, but very perfect cookie cutter. And you're like, no, there's some stuff to it. Well, yeah. Okay, so Playboy, did they go to a casting call?

They used to have those? No, so what it was is I got married. There used to be these websites, like One Model Plays or Model Mayhem or something, where you would upload your pictures and get legitimate work back in the day. And the first pictures that I uploaded were literally my wedding portraits from when you were 16. 16 years old. In my wedding gown.

And then after that, we had gone and done like some couples portraits at the mall, like at a glamour shop. Oh, my God. So I upload those. The first person that messages me, just random luck, was an actual photographer who had a friend who ended up being the guy who shot my Playboy spread. And when I was in Playboy at first, I didn't even know what was going to happen. This guy had called me and he was like, oh, you know, I'm going to be in Playboy. I'm so excited. I just want to let you know. And I was like, oh my God, congrats. It's amazing. Like dream come true. He's like, no, you idiot. It's like your pictures.

And I was like, bitch, what? And he's like, yeah, it's coming out next month. I had no idea. Oh, so he took your photo. I didn't even know. Oh my God. He just finagled a collab with Playboy. Wow.

And my pictures were able to be included in that. And that's what set everything off. And I just took that Playboy label and ran with it. Wow, that's amazing. It was never like that Playboy label and ran with it. You know, it was never like a audition or a casting call or nothing. Cause honestly, I feel like if I had gone that road, I probably would have never gotten chose.

So really, why do you think? I mean, I, you know, these are not mine, you know? So I was just like double a, you know,

skinny. I had, I had a big ass going for me at least, you know, Puerto Rican. So, I mean, I had that,

but like, you know, I didn't have like the traditionally like, you know, conventionally beautiful face, I feel like. So, I was like, I just, I got really lucky. Face, for sure. I mean, everything. I just, I took it and I ran with it. I feel like I'm really good at, like, being able to market stuff. Like, you just give me a little bit of something, especially back then.

I just, you know, went all out with it. You're a master marketer. I think that's one thing people can say about you. And now, too, I'm just like, I mean, hello. Like, there's so much to show here. It's actually amazing. And to market yourself is, like, such a, like, talent and skill. And I think that, like, really is what it takes to, like, push the stardom.

You know what I mean? Thank you. Which is amazing, especially Playboy and being able to finagle that into TNA. So that, do you know what year? Was that 2008, 2009? 2007. Oh, okay. So this is, okay.

So two years. Because I also saw you were Miss howard stern 2009 yeah what does that mean because i loved howard stern i've watched him since i was like 10 years old on e but i'm like what is miss howard stern i don't remember that so i how did that even start is that through playboy no that was something completely different uh they had reached out like through email and they were like, Oh, do you want to try? They do this, like they pick a girl every month and they do like a Howard TV thing and you come, you do an interview. Well, apparently like they liked my stuff in studio. So I would keep going back and doing like weird segments with like medicated pee or like all the other characters. In the studio? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, so I became like this recurring character and then

how, how that had even happened again, I scanned my way into that. Dumb luck into that. I love it. Because it was an actual voting process. And usually those aren't real voting processes, but I was not winning. The girl ahead of me that was winning was, you know, a beautiful girl. She totally deserved it. She had an arch enemy and she, a beautiful girl. She totally deserved it. She had an arch enemy and she was

a porn girl and she had another porn girl who wanted blood and her arch enemy contacted me and was like, this girl, she's not going to win. I'm going to make you win. Oh my God. Girl, the drama, the scandal. Are they big porn stars? Yeah. Okay. I don't need it i'm so i'm so into the i loved that too the whole porn world back then i don't know if i'm sorry you can say we can bleep them i just want to know we can totally so back in the day she was a really big yeah okay so anyway yeah she hated this girl so she got her whole porn army behind her she's a huge name she had all these fans right and she rallied with her life girl like we were campaigning for the presidency and it was because of her that i won miss howard tv and it was because of just pure spite her having it out for this girl but it worked out for me i mean we're gonna get you

i would have never won otherwise so shout out thank you very much but yeah so because you didn't do adult film or anything like that like you would so that's what i'm surprised with on howard because he had so many porn he tried it every time i would film or anything like that. Like, you were. So, that's what I'm surprised with on Howard. Because he had so many porn stars. He tried. Every time I would go, he'd, like, try to talk you into it. He'd put pressure to get me on the Sibian. You never did? To take my underwear off.

No. Sibian was kind of, like, my dream as a kid. I was always kind of, like. No, listen. It was kind of mine, too. But I didn't want to do it on camera. No. I would have.

Oh, again, if I had your body, I would have done it for sure. That was, like, my goal. Like, I wanted to be a porn star. But I was, like, too fat. Now you can be a fat porn star. And it's great. But that's why I did OnlyFans. I was, like, oh, this is my chance to my goal like I wanted to be a porn star but I was like too fat now you can be a fat porn star and it's great but that's why I did OnlyFans I was like oh this is my chance to shine but I wanted to that was my dream and to be on the simian I was like oh what a dream I wanted to but I knew if I'd have done it because they have hidden cameras in

there they have hidden cameras they have hidden scales even if they say they have cameras in the green room yes what does that mean they have like if they want to know your weight like they have like a scale in the floor so if you don't tell them your weight and like they really want to know like if you're a really skinny girl or like if you're a really big girl like they'll be like okay well just stand over here and let me get a look at you they'll have you stand in the spot where there's a scale girl i'm shook i'm like the biggest howard stern fan and i'm like so like i love them but they they are well he's all woke now but and it's like and it's like okay i get it but it's like don't forget this howard stern that's what i'm saying today it and it's like, and it's like, okay, I get it, but it's not like, don't forget this Howard Stern. That's what I'm saying. Back in the day, it was

very different. It was none of this, like, politically correct. He was saying the most outlandish stuff. No, and the fact that he gets these big deals with, like, on America's Got Talent, all these family things, I'm just like, how? Y'all don't remember. Y'all don't remember. I mean. He was like that with Anna Nicole when she came on. He kept asking to, like, weigh her, and she's like,

no, like, stop. And that's when I kind of turned against Howard. It's kind of like, but now hearing this I'm like even like I'm all about like if girls want to be sexy because I'm like oh Sibian but to like secretly weigh you or secretly record you I wanted to do it and they're like oh just do it we will turn the camera off but I mean I knew there would be another camera on so I never did it kind of wish I had but yeah I mean it is iconic but yeah especially like now you look back and like oh that was so cool so did you interact with Howard a lot? Yeah.

So I did the show, I don't know, maybe five, five, six times. And then I came back and I did like the big photo shoot for when I won. And then they used to have this thing called like Howard TV where he had a show on cable. So I did like all of these intros for that. And yeah. Oh, my God. And did you have a good experience with him? Yeah.

He was never like disrespectful to you? you no he was always like very perfect like once of course he'd get on air and say the most outlandish out-of-pocket stuff but like he was always like super like you were talking to your principal or something really yeah i was very like that's so interesting even back then because i only met him when i did america's got talent i went to go meet him and he was like saying so nice like off camera like so like proper yeah you were just like wow and I got to like go back because of him and stuff like that so I really liked him but and then you turn around and he's like I wonder

what her asshole looks like I wonder if he's still like that I guess he's so old now so maybe he's just like he's got he just can't say it no more he can't say it out loud he's so woke though he's so like politically correct like he just turned full like 180 on it yeah I haven't caught up. So to see this, it's crazy.

But that was, I mean, of all the things you've done, that was my dream. I was like, I wanted to be on the Howard Stern show so bad during that era. That opened a lot of doors to you. Did it? That was fun. What did you get from that, you think? Like, what do you think? I mean, just back in the day, it was like, if you had, like, a brand affiliation, I feel

like that mattered a lot more. Like, especially for a model like and I was never tall so I could never do like commercial modeling or you know runway or anything like that it was always just random gigs here and there so just to have that like co-sign that I you know I already had this experience and stuff because I used to have to go around with my big 9x12 modeling book with my pictures printed out and my comp card and you know all that really kind of stuff That's how it was back then. I mean, I feel like even now, like I have models contact me like, oh my God, do you have any advice?

I'm like, I have no clue. You're like, I just winged it. The world is a different universe. No, because any advice that I would be able to give someone, that's like another world. It's completely obsolete now. To walk around with a book. Yeah. Nobody does that.

You just got to be a hot girl on Instagram and know the right people really is what it Social media seems. But that's crazy. Did you have representation back then? No. It was just me. Hustling, hustling, hustling, hustling. That's amazing.

So people would just see you on Howard or Playboy and just email you? I would be constantly reaching out to people. Did you? Oh, that's the one thing you guys have in common. Every girl that's done it themselves, like Christine Quinn said that too. She's like, I email Vogue. And they wrote back. I'm like, well, what are they going to do?

Say no? You just got to go. You got to get told no 100 times hundred times whatever I need to do that more because I never did I never had representation either so I just thought people just oh had agents and they got it I'm like I'm not gonna reach out but everyone I hear is like no I just reach out to the brand myself I was like so smart that's how that's how it started wow and do you still do that now do you reach out to brands or mostly now do they reach out to you no no yeah now I have a manager and stuff and oh okay I. I couldn't do it now. It literally took up my whole life.

I mean, it wasn't like... You're hustling all the time. Yeah, it was nonstop. So I couldn't. I got too much going on with the kids and stuff. I mean, that's insane. All you do now in a full-time mom. That's like...

Because you're probably busier now than you've ever been, right? Yeah. Which is like... So you have four kids all homeschooled. So you're like... Yeah. And you homeschool them. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. That's so wild. But then you're doing obviously the gothic baby brand and the books and we have the merch here which we will show because i'm so excited with black craft called that's why you're out here right black craft called you had the signing yesterday at the store signing three and a half hours straight i was like so nervous that nobody's gonna show up and it was they said it was their best collab they've ever done oh i was when i heard that you were clapping because you only announced a few days before you came out because then you were coming out i didn't know what it was for i like oh my i crapped myself because i was just like that is the coolest collab i can't believe that it happened yeah that's crazy and you just know them for a while the black so cool

well let's show a little bit of that while it's here because you brought some stuff oh well that isn't part of the collab I just brought you some stuff that you know for the babies thank you so much a little Wednesday bit I think this is part of the collab you said there was some pink it is yeah so I brought the pink for Malibu all the pink stuff so cute because you said Evie loves pink which I was like she loves pink nobody on the internet would even know that she's also very smiley. She's the, yeah. She has her, I know when to film. She'll give me, she knows to make a mad face.

She knows how to play the gimmick, okay? Like wrestling family. Like she gets it. She's such a performer. It's actually crazy. Like there's a camera. We're taking pictures. She's like, she's. Yeah.

I mean, she signed 150 books yesterday. Oh my. How did she do it? And I know it sounds like, oh my God, child labor. What are you doing? This boy, she signed 150 books yesterday. Oh, my. How did she do it? And I know it sounds like, oh, my God, child labor. What are you doing? This poor, you're working your child. How dare you, terrible mom. But I mean, she loves it.

Oh, yeah. Because she sees her dad do it. She sees me do it. And every kid just wants to, you know, be what their parents are when they're that little, you know? You can just tell. She came in, picked up the microphone right away, just started, like, performing. I was like.

She loves it. She loves it. Oh, my gosh. So she signed. Does she have, how does she write with her little marker? Yeah. She does. It looks like a Z with an O.

Oh, my gosh. It's like a uniform signature that she does. And she did the whole – oh, my gosh. So she was like – when people see her, she's just excited. Yeah. I've never met a more just personable, outgoing baby. Like she – when you said she was only two, I was like, oh, my gosh. She seems – just the way she is.

She waves. She says hi. She says cheese. She's just so. Yeah, she loves. We had so many babies come through the line yesterday, which was so cute to see. And she just gets excited. She's the baby. She's giving babies hugs. Oh my gosh. It's amazing. It's amazing to see all that. This is so cute. I love the pink. I love that she loves

pink, too. We have a whole pink playroom up there and the pink thing. I love it.'s see this one okay iconic that's for the baby teeny tiny oh my god when they showed me the onesies I was like stop it you see that's crazy to think like a baby would be the size again you know I think of like Malibu as a baby and I'm like whoa little doll I love the gothic baby so does Blackcraft always have this are you like the oh this is my favorite this is my tarot he had a shirt on like this and i thought that was so cute this is her no spooky you got the little pacifiers in the corner oh my gosh did you have to sign these that's yeah these are my ideas yeah minus the minus the the house when they did these their

their guys did this so cute no i mean this is like so amazing is this part of it or is this a little oh there's a little toy yeah oh my god these are so No, I mean, this is like so amazing. Is this part of it or is this a little toy? Oh, this is a little toy. Yeah. Oh my God, these are so cute. Look at that. Oh my God. No, this is a full on, I need to give you a gift basket. This was like insane. No, stop. Yeah. And then matching from Malibu. Okay, we need to get a picture of them before they

leave in this. That's so cute. Oh my gosh. I am so obsessed. No, I definitely go with, and then we got the book we because we had your book here and then there's the book right here you got it thank you so much that was like when i saw the book come out i was like wow you are a genius you were because kids books are everything little bat i love it glittery bat no i'm definitely um mixed between well i don't know if i'm gothic but i love like the whole like wicked just the aesthetic of it has had an edge

to you i feel like that's like also I always related to your content because you were like that's actually like a big part of the book like how goth isn't just like black and dark and depressing and negative how people you know push these bad connotations on it like there's duality to people and I feel like that's you like there's so many facets and like but you also have like that edge and I was like that's why I feel like I gravitated towards your stuff honestly. That's so when you said that when you're like I watch your videos because you said right before you're like I'd come out here from New York to LA and I'd be like oh I got it all like it just wasn't like your vibe right away and then like I'd watch your videos I was like no literally since I want to say when did I do I did I was working for Playboy TV and I was here in LA and I and I don't

know where's algorithms a thing back then but somehow I came across your stuff and it was literally like I've been watching you since 2013 that's wild to me like I would just be in my hotel alone and like you'd be doing all your like cool LA girl stuff and I'm like oh yeah that was literally you're the LA cool girl sat in my room and like watched you the whole time that I was in LA filming I would have killed to be friends with you in 2013 had I known that would have been same what the hell oh my god and here we are it's literally 10 years later it's like so crazy because I followed you I remember I followed you for so long on tiktok and then when the Wednesday thing came out then we're like we did it and then you duetted and I was like so excited oh my god and then when Holly was here you're

talking about your haunted mansion room because I was like oh do you know gothic and I saw that organically I was yeah I was in Salem getting doing my makeup listening to your podcast like i always am and i almost i almost shit myself i was literally screaming there's people in the house like are you okay like what is where's evie like what happened like literally i was like what the hell is it that was wild like i never thought in a million years that you would know him because i followed you for so long and i was like i used to comment and like oh you know because it's just different lifestyles or whatever i was like she probably doesn't see and then when I saw that I was like so excited I felt like I was in like a sitcom where you like break the fourth wall just like

do it and I heard that I was like what I was so excited because like haunted mansion is like everything and you actually have a haunted mansion in your is in your closet or where is it I did like a little I like doing like little nooks and secret rooms and like, I don't know, I designed half of the house because we did an addition once I got pregnant. So the half of the house that I designed is all like, I don't know how like a 10 year old I feel like would design a house or it's like a fireman's pole that you get through the secret door that goes to the movie theater that has a trap. I mean, it's like, I, it's like James Bond lair, but amazing. No, your house is the coolest thing.

She's got a little, a little, one of her little hideout nooks, and it's Haunted Mansion themed. Oh, my God. How long did it take you to, like, build that? Probably six months. That's it? Oh, my God. Wait, I thought it would take, like, years. Because it's, like, literally, like, the stretching room and stuff.

It's so cool. And she's, like, in the middle? Like, I'm confused because it's, like, in her nursery, but, like. Yeah. So there's, there had to be like a little in cave, like built to house the mechanism that does the automatic door for the secret playroom. Oh my God. So dramatic. And I wanted to have like a mantle in the room.

And I remember my builder like advising me so against it. Like, oh, it's going to take up room. Where are you going to put her dresser and space storage? Well, I'm like, just put the mantle in the damn room. Okay. I want a freaking mantle in the damn room, okay? I want a freaking mantle in my baby's nursery. You don't understand. So behind that is like a long, like a little bigger than a hallway.

And you get to it by her little Narnia closet. It's hard to describe. You've got to go in her closet, and then you go through her clothes, and then you get in there, and there's like a little crawl space. And then there's the Haunted Mansion. Oh, my. And you built that in the house or the house was like that it was built in the addition yeah it was designed like that okay so when you built the addition house then you're like i need this little nooks and yeah so smart and then the playroom the

colorful playroom is through that yeah because i always try to see like the layout i'm not one of those weirdos on tiktok like how's this layout of this because you never do like a house tour understandably so it probably doesn't make sense. Because my builder the whole time was just looking at me like, this dumb bitch. Like, what are you doing? This doesn't make any sense. But I love it now. It's so cool. He probably still thinks it's dumb.

But whatever. I love it. Does she fully appreciate it yet? Like the little hideouts and stuff? She loves it. They all love it. Yeah. The boys do too?

It's so cute. Because I love the little like colorful playroom so what how did you decide that the contrast the like colorful playroom with the dark nursery well the the nursery used to be all white it was like beige mom aesthetic which was so sad i know girl you were a beige mom like no no no i was like what definitely not um no well when i had you know my first baby i got pregnant pregnant and I didn't know how to do the nursery. So it was just kind of there. And we, kind of controversial, but we like bed shared and we co-slept and all that.

We do too, yeah. So there wasn't a day in any of their lives that they used that nursery, that crib, until the third baby. He started using that crib and then got the baby to use the crib too. But yeah. Wow. So it's just a nursery like for show like it was like a show like literally we had all the stuff and the and the the chair and the slider and the crib and all that it was just there that's how ours is too

we never once used it for sleeping and i'm like yeah how did you get the third baby to sleep in there because we try and she's just like not having it he just i don't know he just want he just wanted so i think he was too overwhelmed with the other two already that he wanted his own space probably but i see yeah with that interesting because i know with the second baby we're like do we even like do a nursery like literally she doesn't use it i'll change her in there but yeah no same thing literally so the the playroom i just thought like what would be my dream playroom as a kid you know just as colorful and bright and you know so you do like colors you don't completely i do i love i love colors but the i feel like the general layout of the house has like a certain aesthetic and it's like gothic and victorian

yeah maybe even like more victorian and traditional than like per se gothic although there's like goth elements inherently in that with like goth architecture or wood or whatever but i'm like very themed like every room in the house is like a dead there's like a minecraft room there's a barbie closet there's like the haunted mansion space, the crazy playroom. Like movie theaters. Yeah. You are like my dream girl. Like literally my husband can tell you like everything.

I'm like, I need a Beetlejuice dining room. I want a Prince of Egypt bedroom. I need like, I love a theme. Everything. Yeah. That's the life. But you went through it. You went full on.

Like, I'm like, this is what I'm trying to be. This is everything. You can do it. I'm trying. I'm trying. Cause it's so, it's so cool. But it took you what you said. You've been there 13 years. Yeah. So, and you're still, but you think you're like, this is what I'm trying to be. This is everything. Oh my God. You can do it. I'm trying. I'm trying. Cause it's so, it's so cool. But it took you what? You said you've been there 13 years.

Yeah. So, and you're still, but do you think you're like done with it now? Cause you're saying I need more. No. No. Would you change it up or what would you do? I'm still like tackling the third floor, which is crazy. Wait, what?

Have you shown that? Is there anything up there now? Uh, we have a guest room up there and the Minecraft room is up there. But you're, it's not your son's room or it is. It's one of their rooms. Yeah. So there's a space room, a Minecraft room. Then there's the guest room, which is sort of there's like the generic Victorian aesthetic.

Okay. And then I've got to finish that bathroom up there. I've got to do another. Yeah. It never ends. Yeah. Do you have an interior designer that helps you or is it just all you? Just me.

Yeah. That's crazy. And I do all the labor and everything because my husband's pretty cheap wait really yeah no way he's like a penny pincher so i don't hire anybody for anything oh my gosh really you wouldn't think i would just think you're like this like a real housewife of north carolina i wish that's the vibe i get from you thank you no i'm out here freaking hammering tiles to the ceiling it's actually more impressive though that's actually really cool to hear i I love that, too. I think that's like, it's humbling.

Thank you. Well, you have 100 acres you could keep just building. You could literally build like a Disneyland out there. I'm trying to convince him to let me build a secret library. That would be cute. And the house would just like. If you see this, honey. I already had a builder come out and he figured where it would be and what we would need to

knock down to do what I wanted to do. So, I mean. Wait, what would it be? Would it be like, would it be a theme or just like a library? I would want like a sort of like a, like almost like the bell library. I was going to say. Pity the beast, you know what I mean? With the like ladder.

Yes. And I want it like round, like a turret and like two story, just all wooden and yeah. Oh, that would be amazing. Like attached to the house or detached? Attached, yeah, somehow. Oh my God. In some weird way. You need that because that's your brand. Your house is your brand. You know what I mean? People just know you as having crazy things. I've been saying that. It's funny because like we were talking at one point to like a production company about doing

like a show or something and he was all about it because he's like, oh, if we do a show, then yeah, it makes sense to do library. And then that kind of fell through and he's like, yeah, there's really no point of doing it.'m like yes there is there's another show coming always come on let's yeah especially tiktok i mean you're basically a reality show on there would you do a reality show like a full-blown i think that's like my husband's dream wait really he would love to oh i would think to me i would think he's more private because he's not on your tiktok a whole bunch i mean he is but i mean he would be if i let him are, this is my thing? He thinks he's a social media influencer now. Yeah, he's post.

I kind of love that, though. Because I wouldn't get that. To me, I would think, oh, he's probably like, what's this TikTok? Because he's so mainstream. So I would think he's. No. He's like posting like, you know, 2011 iMovie Zoom transitions. I'm like, Matt, please.

At least let me help you, please. Oh, yeah. Because you guys have a YouTube channel. Well, yours is together? He does like Instagram now. He's trying to do Instagram. Oh, yeah. Because you guys have a YouTube channel. Well, yours is together. He does like Instagram now. He's trying to do Instagram. Oh, my God. I kind of live for that.

Like he's just like on WWE, but he's just like, let me do this. Yeah. That's so funny. Whatever. He sees it working out for me. He's like, oh, I want some of that. I'm like, all right. Oh, yeah.

Is there ever any like, because you are both performers. Like I couldn't imagine dating a performer, being married to one. Is there ever like competition? A little bit. I don't think any of us will ever admit it, but like we are a very competitive family, just in general. And I always joke, like I will forever be the least popular person in my entire family. Like even my dad got in on it.

He got like a role that like ended up going viral in one of our like segments that we had on TNA. Wait, what? Really? Yeah. Crazy. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I mean, even my dad's getting recognized. It's insane. But yeah, it's funny because we'll go out and people have started to bring the book to wrestling conventions and signings and Comic-Cons. And it's like a running joke sort of on TikTok where people are saying like, oh yeah, there's Gothic Baby's dad.

He's like signing the books, Gothic Baby's dad. What does he think? 30 year wrestling decorated career, like 16 time books gothic baby's dad like 30 year wrestling decorated career you know like 16 time champion gothic baby's dad oh my god is he like does he like love it or is he kind of like he does he does love it i think he's trying to jump the bandwagon it's okay there's room there's a little space i'll make over i mean that's wild to me to have like a famous like baby because like i'm like you i always want to be famous but i never thought like my daughter obviously like social media but obviously not on this level but it's like it's so weird when people to have like a famous like baby? Because like I'm like you, I always want to be famous, but I never thought like my daughter,

obviously like social media, but obviously not on this level. But it's like, it's so weird when people like recognize her and I'm just like, she's 14 months. And like people be like, hi Malibu. Oh, I bet, yeah. She's not quite as like open. She's very, sometimes she gets really shy when people come up to her.

But I'm like, is that weird to have like a famous baby? I don't know. I just, I feel like for us personally, like a lot of people still think of wrestling as like, you were saying earlier, like glamorous or like, you know, it's like, there are very few wrestlers that actually get to that like glamorous level, you know, like the rock or like, let's say John Cena. But the majority of wrestling, I feel like people forget is like very carny. Like it's very like came from carnivals. It's a lot of damn schemers.

And you know, it's like, it's sort of very much that. Like we are essentially part of the circus. You know, we are a side act. We are a traveling partridge family sort of thing, you know? So when people online say like, oh my God, how could you have the baby? It's like, well, she was born into this family. We are that family.

We're like a carny circus traveling family. That's what we do. What do you expect? You know, she just happened to pop off. That's what we do. What do you expect, you know? She just happened to pop off. That's crazy. I know because you have three other boys. I guess you never, they were never on social media. Well, the first one was.

Yeah. The first, his name is Maxwell. And he had a wrestling match on TV. Oh my gosh, at what age? In two nights. One. What? He was doing signings at one yeah oh he was a main character

in the whole like broken mat thing yeah oh i didn't know that at all oh my gosh so yeah so you guys really it's just like an entertainment family yeah i mean we announced our second baby on on tv yeah on rest on a wrestling show so it's not like this crazy like people like to say like oh my god she's trying to become famous with her. But it's like, this is just what our family is. Like she was born into this family. This is what this family is.

Yeah. No, that's how, but that's how all the entertainment families are. You know, like Drew Barrymore, all those people, it's like they're just famous when they're a kid, you know? That's what it is.

I don't know. Oh my God. And they like love it. I mean, it seems like they're very all like performers. They do love it. And it's great to be able to like keep our family together too, because like a lot of times I'll see my husband once a week, you know?

So if we don't go on the road with him, we don't see him any more than once a week, you know? So when we go on the road, he can do a signing. I can do a signing. The baby's got a name. The first kid still has his eight by 10, you know? Like we get to work together and we're together as a family. We travel as a family.

And that's like the perfect situation for all of us. Oh yeah. That's like the dream. If they, you know, started voicing that they hated it and they wanted to go home and watch YouTube or whatever. Okay, fine. We won't do, we won't do it anymore, but they love it. You know, we all love it. And to be with your parents, I'm sure like, that's like, is that what you homeschool them is like for, cause they're, well, we also live in the middle of nowhere girl. I don't trust nobody. Much less like like yeah i'm the same way i've had such bad experiences with all my schools i was always like flipping around to schools i'm like i don't know yeah i mean it's good if they're good but when they're bad they're bad you know i have like school trauma too so yeah i know there's so many

similarities i mean obviously very different lives again but i was like i could just tell like you know when you know someone you're like a lot of parallels i think yeah yeah and the school trauma is so real like that's all mine is very it's very dark it's very I don't even like talk about half of it because it's like it's so dark and so yeah you know from an early age so I think when I found out I was having a girl I was like terrified I was like like my initial thought was like me too it's so scary I like did want a boy because I was like girls just don't stand a chance I cried for a week and I feel I feel horrible looking back at it now because obviously she's the best thing in the universe but like especially after having three boys I was like I don't know how to be a girl mom and I have the worst relationship with my mom like volatile horrible like sold me off when I was 16 to get

you know like horrible so like I was like I don't know how to be a girl mom like I don't know how to be a girl like it's the like it sucks to be a girl like it's the best thing to be a girl but it sucks to be a girl like I just like you said it's the best and worst there's just so much that looking back you don't think it was like trauma but you're like all the stuff you went through it's just like it's wild like and you don't think it's bad at the time but then you're like this was actually I feel like it only happens to girls when I talk to guys it's like guys don't comprehend they don't understand it they don't even think about that kind of thing. Yeah. So interesting. Okay. So you said your mom had a part in your marriage. I'm so, this is probably one of the most fascinating things to me. I'm so,

I glamorize it so much when people get married like young, I'm like, this is amazing. So you were 16. How old was he? He was 18. So it wasn't even like this crazy. Yeah. It could have been a lot worse, honestly, but 40 or or something it also wasn't like you know if i were to categorize it as like this cool glamorous thing because i mean we were two broke kids i kind of part of me wishes if i was going to go through that i would at least get a rich old guy like yeah like the corny stoddard situation like i always thought that was so glamorous until i like listened to her story it's like oh man yeah traumatizing. He was also like 50, but okay. So yours, your mom knew. So how did your mom tie into this?

So God, it was a whole, oh my God, it's a big drama. But long story short, he was like, love of my life, whatever, you're young. And he was Jewish. His parents were super, super Jewish. And his mom hated that we were together so much. So because I wasn't Jewish, hated that we were together, that she was, like, doing the most to keep us apart. She called CPS on my mom and, like, was making false claims saying that we were, like, having sex in her house and she knew it. And she was, like, harboring, like, minors in her house for illegal activities or whatever.

Like, all this stuff. And, like, just kept making CPS reports. And, like, my mom was like, I'm not going to take the bullet for this. Like, I'm not going down for this. She's like don't care she wanted me out anyway she had been i was in foster homes in and out and stuff so she kind of like didn't want me period so it was kind of just like the catalyst for her to be like well i'm not going to jail so why don't you just marry this guy so that technically it will be legal and i won't be responsible for you oh that's yeah in a weird way i guess she was trying to help or maybe help herself, I guess.

Help herself. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Definitely help herself. Right. Because why would you have your 16-year-old daughter get married? She's like, buy this.

That's true. Okay. Never. See, that's how warped I am. I'm like, maybe that was nice, but I was like, no, no, you're right. Who wants their 16-year-old to like get married? Yeah. No, it was, it was crazy.

And I like went through the process of converting and it was, yeah. What? Yeah. No, because I, I mean, we, we were, I had a Jewish wedding. I mean, it was.. And I like went through the process of converting. And it was, yeah. What? Yeah. No, because I mean, we had a Jewish wedding. I mean, it was. It's not easy. I was trying to convert.

And I'm like, I can't. After like one. It is harder than college. It is literally so hard. You went through the full thing. I mean, I didn't end up going through the whole thing. But I mean, I went through a big damn chunk of it. Yeah. To get married.

Oh, my gosh. And even after the fact. Because I was like trying to make it work and still trying to convert because if we have kids, the kids have to be doing it. Right. It is a whole thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Okay. So this was like, but you were in love with him. So you're like this, I mean, you're 16, so you don't know. I was stupid, but yeah. So your mom's telling you, yeah, I get married. So you're like, okay. Yeah.

Okay. It's crazy. I like went to my first prom, like married with my husband. Was he in school with you? Like, was he at your school? Mm-hmm. It was, like, a different town or something like that. You're in Queens.

He's, like, next to you or something. Yeah, he was in Queens, but not the same school. Yeah. So he's 18, and what was he doing? Like, working at freaking Guitar Center or something. Like, nothing. Like, it was, yeah. And he was down to get married.

He was, like, okay, now let's get married. I just think that he was, like, part of the plan to like not have my parents get in trouble i see and he just kind of went along with it yeah and like even like asking him looking back at it and like we don't really talk anymore there was a time that we were talking it's funny i have like pictures with both of my husbands um no way oh while you were married now yeah yeah oh wow 10 years right yeah so he looks back and he's like, well, I had to do, you know, what I could to like protect the family or whatever. And, you know, we were kind of backed into a corner.

It was like, we're all going to get in trouble, especially my mom, or we can do this. And this is sort of like this, the way out, you know? Yeah. Wow. And how long were you married for? Legally married? Like two, two years, three years. And just, you just like realize, okay, like I'm too young.

Then he cheated on me with a hooker off of Craigslist. Oh, been there too. That's the worst. Love that. I was up for making it work, girl. I was like, oh, we're married, okay. This is it. Oh, no.

The life, no. The cheating is the big red flag. I always wondered that too. I was like, like cheating for me was always like the biggest thing, like boundary. But it's hard. Oh, man. So then. didn't work out. Divorced by what? 19. And then, uh, you know, playboy and everything popped off right about that time. So, oh, so then you had a little revenge story. Did you talk to him throughout that time? Was he like, oh my God, damn. After about a year. Yeah. We spoke again and then we were friends for a while

and I think he like got a new girlfriend or something and then stopped talking to me randomly, which is kind of rude. But, yeah. Yeah, that's a problem. He's like, okay, you're a playboy. You could have just told me. I would have understood. Kind of ghosted me. My husband's like, what the hell is this problem?

Because we were all cool. Like, it was like, you know. That's so weird. Yeah, especially because you were moved on, right? I mean, I'm, like, crazy Latina. Like, if anybody understands, like, a jealous girlfriend, if you if you tell me listen my girl don't like you i'll be like bet i got it you know but whatever are you jealous now you think uh or not so much i don't i don't feel the need to be jealous about anything right now yeah that's good that's all of my concerns

are not about bitches that's good that's a good place because i was so jealous of girls too i would like anybody if he dm'd i was like checking his dms i'm not anymore but i think he learned he knows better because he knows i'll make a scene i will not i will not be quiet about it if if i'm not happy everybody's gonna know about it and you're gonna end up embarrassed do you think you would now like okay let's say something happened do you think you still would be like that yeah absolutely absolutely you're like i'm a mom but that's fine, no. Drop the kids off at grandpa's. I'm going to show up at your door. Really? I love that.

Well, that's good. It's good he knows that, too. I think, like, early on, Moses learned that, too, because, like, girls would be like, oh, like, I said hi to him, and he said hi back. So now he won't even take pictures with girls. No. Yeah. They always come around.

Don't even leave it up for inter... Sir. He's smart now. He'll see he doesn't take pictures with anybody. He's like, because girls turn around. They'll be like oh no you know not all of them but you know you have those couple and then i i'm the same way maybe not as crazy as you i wish i could be but i will i mean maybe in that sense i'm kind of crazy i'm kind of like one to like air it all out there but you just maybe you just need the right reason to snap yeah i have faith but you give me hope that

you like now after 10 years like oh, oh, it's not about bitches anymore. I'm not like jealous about that stuff. That's good. Yeah. You're stable enough to like know in your marriage. Yeah. You just renewed your vows too, right?

Yeah. Just October. Yeah. A couple months ago. Was that your house? No, we were originally going to do a whole big party and a big shebang, but I wasn't sure I was even going to go through with it because stuff started going downhill around that time, to be honest.

But we ended up doing sort of, we did we did it for the gram we did it for the pictures um and we had a ceremony and it was yeah it was nice and the kids were there that was really the main part of it I wanted to you know have something with the kids and now even it's cute every time a gothic baby sees any wedding anything any bride she'll say mama oh so that's kind of sweet that they were able to be part of that. It was so cute, too. It is our story. Yeah, and having all the kids there. And you wore a black wedding dress, which I love the black wedding dress.

Yes, I love your black wedding dress. I loved a black wedding dress, too. That was definitely through my emo phase. I was like, I need a black. But I regret not having a pink one because I saw your pink wedding dress. And I'm like, why did it? Coming to America, too, she had a pink wedding dress. And I was like, I want a pink wedding dress. And I'm like, why did it? Coming to America, too, she had a pink wedding dress. And I was like, I want a pink wedding dress.

And Legally Blonde Elle Woods had one. How? Do you love pink? I love pink. Oh, I didn't know you loved it, too. I love pink. Oh, OK. I have a whole Barbie pink.

My whole dressing room is all pink. I've seen it. Really? Is it the one with your kids' pictures in it? It's like your closet slash makeup room? OK, I have seen that one. It's morphed more into a dressing room, like utilitarian room, but it used to be

just like a pink, crazy, you know. Oh, I didn't know. Fun house, yeah. I love that about you. So you went with the pink dress. Yeah. Where'd you guys get married? Just on our property. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so it was like a very, like a country wedding, country affair. People were like, oh, why didn't you do a gothic wedding then? I'm like, in our backyard? Yeah. What why don't you do a gothic wedding then i'm like in our backyard yeah what am i gonna do like important arch like

some freaking yeehaw the south that could be cute though maybe maybe maybe the next 10 years if we if we make it um i think you will i think 10 years is a very long time married 10 years is how long you've been together for 13 wow yeah that's amazing maybe maybe 13 years married we'll do something lucky 13 oh yeah that's definitely like calls for like a gothic themed wedding for sure yeah do a big party oh my gosh that would be so much fun and then also like you said it's also like just good for us like i would have just done like a elopement but it's like the content you know i wanted like i wanted the videos i wanted the pictures to post you know those throwbacks and you know it was epic it's kind of worth it there you inspired a lot of people you

inspired me for sure so it was worth it I was eating it up personally it's just so fun you know like just the whole like show of it all yeah okay so gothic baby would you say this is like the main thing you do now is this like your focus yeah i guess just content i have like two other jobs right now but yeah this is the focus right now you still do graphic design anywhere from home to the all design yeah oh my gosh that's right so what does that mean so do like pinball companies come to you and you like design the machines for them it's mostly like private collectors that want a specific theme that doesn't exist but we have been commissioned for two things by actual companies but right

now I've got a machine in LaGuardia Airport I've got one on location for James Jim Beam wow won a couple awards and stuff yeah just came out with happy Gilmore pinball just released last week actually where

it that one went to a private collector but we we're going to be taking it on the show circuit to have everyone be able to play it. How do you have time for all that? I don't sleep. No? It's not healthy. People ask me that all the time. Like, oh, what's your advice?

How do you have time? I'm like, it's not a sustainable lifestyle. You're just tired. I don't suggest this at all. You have so much energy, though. You have so much energy. You're so put together. When I saw you guys, you were matching in your outfit like i can barely do

malibu's hair and we have one it's crazy it's a lot yeah wow where does the energy come from just you work out a lot i guess just going just going and going yeah oh my god i'm like i don't know how i literally take naps all the time i'm so tired all the time i just i i don't know i maybe have like that type of personality i just like i have to always feel like i'm doing something productive like i also have this like irrational fear of like dying tomorrow all the time wait what really i don't know i kind of do i don't know what's the fear that you won't get to like live your full life yes yes it's very much that so you're like i just got to get it all in right now everything right now if i have an idea like oh this would be good to do i'm like nope gotta

start that right now gotta do it gotta finish it. Got to finish it. Got to see it through. I could die tomorrow. Like, I don't know what it is. I just, what a great, that's like, wow. That's so intense. A little mental, but I think that's so, but that's so cool. That makes sense why you do so much and why you want to have more babies. You're just like, you know what? I'm down to have another baby. Well, it's also like that fear of regret too, because you know, I'm getting up there in age and I don't want to look back in 10 years and think, man, I wish I'd had one more, you know, like fear of, I know, I'm getting up there in age and I don't want to look back in 10 years and think, man, I wish I'd had one more. You have more. Fear of, I know, but just that fear of regret.

Like, I don't want to live with any regrets about anything ever, you know. Yeah. I feel that. I feel like, too, when you had trouble, like, getting pregnant, you're so, you're like, oh, my God, all of a sudden the floodgates is open, as you said. And you're just like, I might as well. That's kind of how we, like, felt. We're like, two's good. And then I'm like, but I guess as many as, like, to give us, you know, because I mean, that's a lot.

And I don't know, but then I don't know. It gets, it does get addicting a little bit. I love being pregnant. It's more of the kids. It's like hard to take care of. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoy pregnancy. I'm always just like happy and glowing and eating and resting. Girl, I'd be octomom if that was the case. Isn't it? I know. That's how I feel. My hair like grows a lot. I have a wig on now, but my hair grows so much. I'm like, no acne. I usually have acne on my face.

Yeah. Gosh, I'm like love pregnancy. It's crazy. Bless it. But then you have those natural burns. I am cesarean, fentanyl, all of it. I felt nothing. I was just like, oh.

I wanted to do what you did. It sounds kind of amazing. I kind of want to experience that, but I don't know. I'm also very scared of a medical setting. Oh like oh really i'm scared of hospitals and stuff yeah wait really is that why you chose to do them at home big part of it yeah interesting just just scared oh my gosh as has always been the case you just never liked hospitals is was there any sort of something that traumatized you from them yeah very much very much so. Okay, okay. My mom would put me in like medical experiments. So like when they're testing new drugs out

and it's usually like, oh, not for use for 12 and under or whatever. Like I would be the 12 and under that they would test on and she would get money for those. And I would have the horrible side effects and like trauma and yeah, I feel like it messed up my brain, honestly. Oh my God. First of all, you're like it messed up my brain. Honestly. Oh my God.

First of all, you're like coping so well with all that. Cause that is, I mean, how is that even legal to test on kids? Well, if your parents sign off on it, it is.

Yeah. Oh my God. I've never heard of that. They compensate you. I mean, of course I've never seen that money, but it compensated her. You never got any money.

Like she never put it aside for you. I mean, that's wild. Did you ever ask her like, why? Like, why are we doing this? Oh,

we're no contact. Yeah. You haven't talked to her. How long? When's the last time you talked to her? It's going on a year. Yeah. Oh,

nothing, nothing. I mean, but it's been years and years of, you know, here and there, you know, and then regretting it sort of thing.

Did she see your kids? No. Yeah. That's better. That's kind of sounds like a lot. Oh, I wouldn't be going to a hospital either. That's like,

that is, especially like drugs and stuff. Forced injections and forced medications. And yeah. Oh, that totally would screw. I mean, anybody,

like if you don't have the sickness they're testing for. No, it, we have. That's what I'm saying. I feel like those kinds of things that they test, like when they're testing on hepatitis C, they find patients with hepatitis C to test on.

So it's like if they're just testing on a healthy baby, that sounds. Yeah. Oh, my God. We all. Oh, my God. I never really talked about that. But yeah. That's, I mean, that is, that's trauma.

So that is a big part of why I'm like scared of hospitals and like scared of medical settings, you know, and want to be in control. Oh, my God. Are you? So that makes sense. I had like that of hospitals and like scared of medical settings, you know, and want to be in control. Oh, my God. Are you? So, yeah, that makes sense. I had like that birth team and all. It wasn't just like me out there like, you know, like that show in the wild. Just out there. Giving it to the squirrel and the deer, you know.

Yeah. But the contractions, you're just feeling them. Yeah. It's just raw dogging it. Oh, my God. And to me, they were the most intolerable thing. I couldn't do it. I was going to pass out.

Oh, really? Oh, my God. I like was crying, screaming, like going to pass out. Oh, really? Oh, my God. I was crying, screaming. I don't know. Well, my third was like that. My first two, I was like, oh, I could definitely do this. My second one, we joked that he came out like a slip and slide. It was like 30-minute labor.

It was done. Boom. Nothing. My third one, it was probably what you were feeling. It was like I'd never experienced that pain in my life. I thought it was dying, literally. Oh, my gosh. One out of four was like I never experienced that pain in my life. I thought it was like – I thought it was dying, like literally. Oh, my gosh. One out of four was like that.

They weren't all like that. Did you have, like, a bite on a stick or something? It was a lot of, like, holding on to my midwife and, like, hanging off of things. There's, like, a lot of, like, crunchy, like, coping methods that they – you know, the midwives come with the balls and the slings and the towels and the, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. That's wild. Pressure points and all that, you know.

And then you get in the water and the heat kind of alleviates it a lot. More than most people would think. But, yeah. Is it like a bath out there? Then are you going in the pool? So I always just use, like, we have, like, a big jacuzzi tub in our bathroom. So I use that for the third one only. But I'm scared of water births. Wait, why? I don't know it is i know technically like until you cut the cord

nothing's gonna happen but it freaks me out so i'll do it for like pain management but i've never had like a water oh i love the idea of a water birth but it definitely like was not gonna happen for me i was just like that no the pain no thank you but i understand why you'd have it and i think it's cool like you can do it you're a badass you can do it. You're a badass. You could do it. I know my doctor's like, you could push this time. I'm like, I'm scared. I don't know. I pushed for three hours and I was like, I was over it.

So I was like, I don't know. C-section. They just, I have had lots of surgery. So like that I can do. Just open. It's crazy. So, okay. So the video you have of you giving birth, have you ever put that out there?

I haven't. Cause I'm like asshole naked. Yeah. Oh. I have like thought about doing it, but it's like so graphic that like you would like it's very graphic. So you can't really you censor. It's just a blur of everything.

I think YouTube allows it now. I think I remember getting the new guidelines that they say if it's like birth. I mean, I had a videographer there. Oh, yeah. Like I have a birth video. Like a professional. Yeah. It wasn't just like an iPhone. Yeah. Like, I have a birth video. Like a professional. Yeah. It wasn't just like an iPhone.

Yeah. Oh, you should definitely put that out. That's kind of everything. I'm scared. Especially with the lightning and stuff like that. It would be cool. Are you weird about nudity now that you've become a mom? No.

I think my mentality with it is, like, hanging on to my glory days, right? Because I'll never, like, have my body looking as good as it was. So, like, I want to keep the memory of my nudity as never like have my body looking as good as it was. So like I want to keep the memory of my nudity as like my nudity 10 years ago. I feel like now your body is like amazing. The best it's ever looked.

Like I looked at you and I was like, you look like you did in TNA. Like it's crazy. Yeah. So I don't know. Just keep the memory of the good nudity alive.

I get that. Not tarnish it with, you know, the mom bod. If you want to talk about this, we can or we can skip it or whatever. But you did say you had like issues with food, which I would never know about you because you are always like fit and stuff. What is that? Not always.

Really? As like a, because from the public eye, you've always looked just fit and good. Well, it kind of goes back to like that, you know, we were talking about the Y2K thing, like the diet culture and how fat shaming was so normalized just in media and tabloids. And I was eating that shit up, you know, we were talking about the Y2K thing, like the diet culture and how fat shaming was so normalized just in media and tabloids. And I was eating that shit up. You know, I was like number one consumer of like, look at what Lindsay Lohan is wearing. How dare she? You know? And that was just like that voice that ends up being in your head, you know, even if you don't mean it, you know, to be so that, that I struggled a lot with that when I was younger and then

becoming a mom, I was having a baby every, you know, 18 months, I feel like, and I struggled a lot with that when I was younger and then becoming a mom, I was having a baby every, you know, 18 months, I feel like, and I could never get back to like what I was. And I think part of that was like, when I was pregnant the first time, everyone was like, oh, you'll snap back. You'll snap back. Don't worry about it. And of course they're saying it to be nice, but like, I believed it because so many, so many people were saying it, you're so bad. And I didn't snap back and that fucked me up. And I was like, wait a minute, like, what's wrong with me? Why am I not snapping back? You know, because that's like the epitome of what you're so bad and I didn't snap back and that me up and I was like wait a minute like what's wrong with me why am I not snapping back you know because that's like the epitome of what you're supposed to do and like I don't know just that messed me up so much and nursing I mean I've been nursing for eight years now I finally just stopped with gothic baby yeah

so it's it's yeah it's been a lot hormones all that stuff just plays so much into like and I'm like a stress eater and it's been been a rough couple of years, like personally stuff that I don't even really talk about. But you know, like I eat when I'm lonely, I eat when I'm stressed. And that's, you know, 90% of the time. So just like, relying on food, like, I guess I hadn't been like officially diagnosed by anybody, but like borderline food addiction, I guess is what I would classify it as if, you know, probably I went somewhere to get a diagnosis. I don't know. But I won't go anywhere to get a diagnosis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you don't want to hear it. But you just know. You just know. Like me too. I'm like, I know I'm addicted to food. Like it's such a – and no one can understand it. It's like such a mental thing.

Like it's such a weird thing where you're like coping almost. Yeah. And then, you know, part of me like just like fell back into like, well, I'm pregnant or well, I'm postpartum. And then I would stop trying. And then I would like just fell back into like, well, I'm pregnant or well, I'm postpartum. And then I would stop trying. And then I would just fight in my head and just very toxic mindset, like a revolving door of food. And no, it's OK. But it's not OK. And hating myself. Same as everyone, I'm sure.

But yeah, there's a lot of people. But there's so many people that don't have that issue with food at all. And I would never think that with you because you just always look good so I was just like I guess you just can't tell no well I recently lost 50 pounds so I was you know it's amazing much heavier for almost a decade very long time so how do you feel then because the first thing I was like wow you look great but do you ever feel like oh man well because I you hear people I've never lost a significant amount of weight where they're like well I didn't look good before or like I only look good then like does it make you feel some type of way? Oh, I lost my ass.

R.I.P. Does that make you sad? It makes me very sad. Okay. My one redeeming feature. No, but I do feel a lot more comfortable when I'm smaller. But, you know, again, it's just that like being ingrained, you know, of just how media was growing up, I guess.

It was awful. I know. I listened to the Girls Next Level podcast and Bridget was said she was like the fat one. They kept calling her like the fat one. And I'm like, that's wild. Yeah, and you look back and she's like literally a supermodel. Legs so stick.

I know. But watching that, I believed it. Same, same. I probably thought the same thing too. And I look back in horror and I feel like, oh my God, what was wrong with me? Oh, I was the fat girl. And I was like, I could be Bridget.

And meanwhile, Bridget is so tiny and little. And hearing it now, I'm just like, wow, that is crazy. No, people were like awful. That whole era of it was crazy. Was the food, do you think you had a food addiction your whole life or was it just recent when you were like having babies and feeling lonely? I think it was mostly like after the babies. Yeah.

Just feeling. Having that like unhealthy coping mechanism. Yeah. Just like filling a void kind of. Did you have any postpartum? Because you have four void kind of. Did you have any postpartum? Because you have four kids, so close. Did you have any postpartum in between? Mm-mm.

No. Thankfully, no. That's good. It's just rough, period, but no. Yeah. And you had, well, you had support because your family, you said, lived with you like on the compound and stuff like that. Well, my dad was there.

So, you know, he's kind of old school Puerto Rican. So in that aspect, there's only so much that he can do. But like he, you know, he did help with like, you know, changing diapers or go pick up McDonald's or something. Oh, he did? Yeah, yeah. Oh, diapers are a huge thing. Yeah.

I feel like that's like a big thing when someone can like help you out with that. Yeah. I wish I had like a mom or something, you know, to come and, you know, do mom things. But my dad is, you know, more than made up for it. Dad isn't. Yeah. My mom, I don't know what I would do without her with the babies because I'm just like oh my gosh like i don't know what i'm doing how did you figure it out are you just maternally new were you just naturally a mother i guess you know from even

when i was little people like oh what do you want to be with when you grow up it's like performer and like mom like i just always wanted to be a mom like i just i don't know so that it just came to me just you know have a million babies That's what I wanted. That's wild. Do you think – And I knew what I didn't want. Which was? I feel to be like my mom. I wanted to be – I knew I wanted to be the opposite of whatever the hell that was. So I tried really hard to like –

Be completely different. You broke it. Be the absolute opposite. Yeah. Wow. And you are. You're such the cool mom. You like literally – your children are – I mean the fact that you like do these theme

nurseries for them and just everything. I mean a a book for, I mean, it's really amazing. And just the support you have for them. And like you said, if they don't want to be doing performing, you're like, we can just go home and watch YouTube. I'm like, yeah, that's amazing. Cause it's hard to like, I don't know. Parenting is hard in general. What is the weirdest mom shaming comments you've gotten on TikTok? Oh gosh. I think like the clout thing is really weird for me because some people think that maybe I like woke up one day and was like, I want to be an influencer. And it's like funny because I think like right now in my life is probably the least quote unquote famous that I've ever been. Even though I'm like social media famous, like it's not like real life

famous, like Playboy famous, Howard Stern famous, like in magazines every month, you know, like it's a different kind of thing. So it's like funny to hear people say that, like that I would be like using my family as like, I, that just kind of like, it's so icky to me. Like it makes me feel super weird. To me, it's like including my family and everything that I do. Like we are a package, we are the family together all the time. Like, hello, you know but uh that's super weird and then the the fact that people buy into the gimmick and part of it is like a compliment you know just like okay you really believe the gimmick but like it's not like I'm a vlog you know like it's not like I'm actually detailing the baby's life like I'm taking random clips of her like in the one second of the day

that she's looking serious and like like, making a stupid voiceover. It's like, this is not really her day in her life. Why do fintechs like Float choose Visa? As a more trusted, more secure payments network, Visa provides scale, expertise, and innovative payment solutions. Learn more at Visa.ca slash fintech. Life, guys. They think every day you're just filming everything she does for the whole day. And I can attest to seeing her for like a half hour before, she's just so smiling.

I mean, how do you get her to do gothic baby face? Because she's like, happy smiling. That's why there's even fewer of them now because she was a very moody, younger baby. And now she's just like so effervescent and bubbly and, you know, always smiling and wanting to interact, you know? So it's like, man, I got to catch her in between, you know, when she's like, you know, zoning out sometimes. Here's the clip of it. And I saw an interview or read an interview. You said you're like, it's really around her time whenever she's, you know, in that mood or whatever. I feel like it's got to be people who don't have kids who,

who think that there's like some mastermind orchestrating this. Like if you've ever been around like a one-year-old, a two-year-old, you can't tell them shit. Oh, I can't say, Hey child, stand here, do this. Act like it's a baby. Like she's not doing what she wants to do, you know? And I, I'm quick on my phone. Yeah. You're like, I got it quick. That's what it? And I'm quick on my phone. Yeah, you're like, I got it quick.

That's what it is. I'm quick on my phone. It's such a struggle. No, even doing Christmas cards. It's like getting her when she's smiling. It's like it can be such a struggle. Oh, my God. Yeah.

And then having the gothic baby, like, getting her when she has those faces could be. Yeah. And people, like, I saw, I remember, like, it was a year or two ago. There was, like, a news outlet that did, a whole story about it about you and got the baby. And I'm just like how what they were concerned about her nursery being dark or the the it's so weird the way they framed it in the story. You know a girl and it honestly that was a big catalyst for the book of what inspired me to write the book because they just came. I feel like in this three minute TV segment and it was like the UK's equivalent of like The View, right? That's what it was.

Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was called Loose Women. Loose Women. And they just said like every negative stereotype within those three minutes. And it kind of blew my mind. The poor baby.

The whole house is dark and black, which it's not. Yeah. We've got an aesthetic. But if it was beige, would you be saying something? And like the first thing out of their mouth was like, oh, it's satanic. It's demonic. It's, you know, it's evil. And I hate that, you know, because it can be.

And there's nothing wrong with that. If that's the lifestyle that you choose to live and that's what you believe in, like, more power to you. But it doesn't necessarily have to be. And, like, proving them wrong and going even deeper into the satire that is day in the life of a gothic baby which is really all it was and how it started right in response to some troll saying this poor child is lacking color they think she's never going to develop mentally it's child abuse and it's like oh my god i've actually gone through child abuse my god she's she's living pretty fucking close like I know when

you think about in that perspective you're like you have no I would be actually livid dealing with like living what you went through I'd be like excuse me what this baby has the bougiest lifestyle ever just oh my god and not to say that like money will buy you a happy childhood but goddamn does it help you know she has multiple playrooms, colors. She's good. She has an amusement park. She's living in the Haunted Mansion. All of it is just amazing. Yeah, that's, that one, there's a lot of things that annoy me, like, just, but that is a whole other level. I'd be like, what?

And it just, it just perpetuated, like, this negative stereotype about, like, alternative people, which, like, obviously, like, with, like, Wednesday and, like, pop culture culture, like people are so much more accepting of that now. But like, I, you know, I remember going to school and somebody literally telling me to kill myself because I had my own clothes that I made and fishnets and dark makeup or whatever. And I mean, that, that used to be, you know, the goth experience, I feel like for a very long time. So for someone to go on like a huge national platform and like say, oh, that's satanic because the babies were in a black dress. It's like, I had to, I had to make a whole, you know, I had to come with a whole damn media response to that. And the book, and the book literally came out of it of what it is to be like Gothic. So you were always alternative like in high school and. Yeah. I feel like, you know, I went through my Y2K bimbo era, you know, and there was, even in my personal style,

still kind of maintain that. But to go there, if you're not, especially back then, like, if you're not like that aesthetic or the commercial aesthetic, you were like put in a box of fetish modeling and I never wanted to do that. So there was opportunities to do that, but I didn't want to lean into that because I wanted to continue with the playboy and the bimbo, you know, that kind of thing. More mainstream. That was sort of like my marketable image for a while. But yeah, it's always sort of been, you know, at heart, you know, in my house, in my decor and, you know, in my personal wardrobe.

This will sound so stereotypical, but I remember when I was like in high school, I just like, I wanted to be alternative so bad, but like, I didn't know what that meant. You know what I mean? I was like, what does that mean? So I was like really into like Marilyn Manson, but like people now be like, oh, that's so cringy. If that's all you knew about alternative, but he was right. I mean, but everybody had their little gateway into, you know, nobody woke up like a Megadeth fan. Like, you know, so. So what does it take to be alternative? Cause I did want to be an alternative girl, but I didn't

know what that meant. Colorful hair, piercing. I'm like, what does it actually mean? I feel like the umbrella of alternative can be literally anything. And then you get, this is like a big point of contention online, like what is and what isn't gothic, you know, like goth, is it a music genre? Is it an architectural style? Is it a vibe? Is it a feeling? Is it a color?

Is it music? You know, so I think alternative can be any of that, really. It's just like all encompassing of all of it. What's gothic? What's emo? What's scene? What's alternative? Yeah, all that stuff. I try to be any of that, really. It's just like all encompassing of all of it. What's gothic? What's emo? What's seen? What's alternative? Yeah, all that stuff.

I try to be all of it. I'm like, I'm going to just figure it all out, whatever it is. And that's the beauty of it. You know, don't put yourself in a box. But like your boots, I love these. Would these be what? What would these be considered? This is probably more like traditional, like trad goth, I would say.

This gives me such 90s vibes when they would wear like big, kind of like the crow, like big, just like black trench coats. I always thought that was like so cool. Yeah. And that, and that was the vibe too. But then, you know, even like in saying that, like the whole trench coat mafia came in, that added even more of a stigma, you know, to people that were dressing like that. So it's like, I know, like extra pissed me off just to hear somebody like go on there and say, Oh yeah. And like you said, it's huge. Like loose woman is big. And also women saying this about other women, like, especially like moms and stuff like that. I was just like, blew me away. Yeah. Just blew me away. Like, what is everyone supposed to be? To me, the beige mom thing again, fine if you like it, but

we got criticized for having a colorful playroom. They're like, it's too much. It overstimulates. Yeah. Well, you can't win. That's how I thought. I was like, it's a pink nursery, but yeah, we got that too. They're like, it's overstimulating. But I was just like, I'm convinced the internet just hates moms. Oh. I'm convinced. Because it's like, on the other side of the coin, like, oh, yeah, black and white is soothing for kids.

And then there's people like, oh, this poor, deprived child, not going to develop. You're hindering her brain or whatever. And then, you know, against you for too much. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, no. There's no winning. You know, she's like the sweetest, happiest baby. Yeah, I know. And then, you know, against you for too much color. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, no. There's no winning. You know, she's like the sweetest, happiest baby.

Yeah, I know. Like, can you break? Totally fine. Totally. I know. It is such a weird thing. I know the internet's odd. And then when you just get all that criticism, you deal with it good.

You, like, handle it well. It's a lot of biting my tongue. But, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I was going to say, for being, like, 100%. I'm like, you know what? You handle it good. Do you just ignore that? Do you block comments? I stop looking at stuff. Oh, wow. going to say, for being like 100, I'm like, you know what? You handle it good. Do you just ignore that? Do you block comments?

I stop looking at stuff. Oh, wow. You don't look at it. I feel bad because a lot of people were like, I'll see people in real life or at signings or stuff like, oh, I tagged you in this. I'm like, I'm sorry. I just, I can't look at it anymore. It's too much.

Because I'll feel compelled to respond and I will not respond like in a nice way. You know what I mean? I'll get myself in trouble. You'll be the headline. So I just have to shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I just have to shut the fuck up yeah yeah I just I just I can't look at it does I know myself like if you do does Mac get like upset if you like

try to or is he like fine is he supportive do what you want he he's he's come to the fact like he he knows who I am and he realizes it but yeah he would rather I shut the fuck up yeah yeah I like learned to like tame myself a little bit when I got married because only just because I was like well I don't want to like embarrass him because I could I mean I used to go off on the internet,

you know, but now I'm like, let me just not. Completely unhinged. Yeah. I mean, like you said, some people push it that way and then people get away with it because you don't say anything. And it's like a, I feel like I used to be of the mindset where like, I'm not going to let you get away with this. Like you think you could get away with this? I'm going to teach you a lesson. You think this is okay? You're going to think twice the next time you want to talk. That was my mentality. So I felt the need to like put everyone in their place. I wasn't even defending myself, but I know now that it seems like I'm defending myself

and I don't want anyone to ever think that I feel the need to do that because you literally like you are not worth me defending myself. If my character absolutely comes into question and it starts spreading like wildfire, like people love this cancellation horseshit yeah then i guess i'll be forced to but i i've learned to just not anymore deal with it like not put the energy out there it'll take all energy this word is it'll take all your energy and all of my time and my patience and my positive energy goes to my kids yeah so i can't afford to have any more energy go anywhere else because then i'll have less for my kids and you're not more important than my kids. Of course. You're not going to get my energy. Like go punch the air,

go die mad about it. I can't. I'm sorry. That's so true though. That is so true. And that's how I felt too. I was just like, none of this really matters when you have like in real life stuff. Plus you're like so busy. You're like designing like pinball machines and traveling and marketing and just doing all that stuff. Sucks the joy out of you. Yeah. Yeah. It does. I know. I try not to look. I mean, honestly, I guess I just don't see it i don't know i mean he moderates on my comments i just never see anything oh everyone's nice everyone likes me good thank goodness that's what we need the moderating is good i don't know i never see anything bad so i'm sure there is but i'm like oh maybe thank goodness now i don't know you go through waves i think you know too like

going through waves love you now you know but then it changes and then people don't and then whatever but i try not to let it affect me either. Oh, wow. Yeah. They can punch the air mad at you too then. I love that. Punch the air. Die mad.

Yeah. What is like your one like dream that you haven't accomplished yet? Gosh, I feel like motherhood was the ultimate dream, honestly. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I'm good. And you've accomplished that times four. Yeah.

And now the whole internet being like, is there another baby coming? Gosh. You know, if I didn't have to be pregnant, absolutely I would. But yeah. But you never know. It hits me hard. Yeah. I asked my husband to get a vasectomy, actually.

I thought I was done. And it happens, I feel like, after every pregnancy, right? Like, you're like, never again. This is never. I'm never doing this again. This is the last and then a couple months pass you know and you're like well you know maybe start romanticizing the idea again um but you know when I had asked I was still in that phase I'm like this you know and he said he didn't want to he's like no I'm gonna have as many so if it happens I guess it happens. But I am content with our number here. The four, yeah. I wish we'd have started sooner. That's what I was going to say. We were talking

about that earlier. Isn't it annoying, the age thing? I mean, you did start young, 29. You just have a lot of kids. But it is annoying that there is, I guess, a cutoff. I mean, people have it. Shanti's 43 and pregnant. Kourtney, 47. So it happens. But I feel that, too. I feel the pressure. I'm like, well, if we're going to have kids kids we need them back to back to back now because I'm 35 so no you're okay I feel like me personally the problem with me would be to have my births in the way that I like to have my births like after 35 you're technically geriatric you know like you're high risk so I feel like if I continued technically I could but I don't know if I would still be in that safe bracket eligible for a home birth and a midwife team. Yeah.

I think I'd kind of be forced into a hospital. And that kind of feeds into like my thought process. Like, oh my God. Yeah. No, I get that part of it for sure. So you're like, if it happens, it happens. Honestly, I think you're the one person who could just keep doing it natural, just out in the wilderness. And people did that back in the day, like you said.

I mean, people really did. When you think about it, that's what made me not scared of birth. I was like, people do this literally every day, all the time with no medical assistance. Well, we're stronger than we realize. I mean, we let a lot of things affect our thought processes. I feel like especially around birth and stuff, subconsciously messages that we're being fed about birth

and childbearing that we don't even realize are making us- They scare you. Yeah, it's a fear. Yeah, so. The pregnancy too, everything's so scary. And childbearing that we don't even realize are, you know, making us. They scare you. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fear. Yeah. So.

The pregnancy too. Everything's scary. Everything's so scary. And then when it actually happens, you're like, not to say it's not bad because it's painful, all of that. But I don't know. Especially the way you did it. But it's still, I don't know.

You should write a book. Have you ever done like a parenting book? I mean, this book, but like a parenting book or birthing book? I would love to. I would love to just do a book of like all of the different lifestyles that I, I don't know if anyone would care, but I would love to do it. There's a lot of crazy scandalous stuff in between this stuff. I feel like it'd be a good juicy, you know, trashy read. Oh my God. I just feel like you have so much. Yeah. I mean, cause you knew, I mean, all of that. How did you meet Hugh Hefner? So did you have like stories with him?

No, I don't. Nothing crazy. Yeah, and passing at parties and stuff. Yeah, yeah. So it was always good. But I just feel like all of that, just how you got into all of it, those are always interesting. I read every Playmate book, even if they weren't famous. Oh my God, me too. All of them. Bunny Tales. I'm like, anything good or bad? I'm like, let me know about this lifestyle

because it's such, and now it's so, it's such a relic almost because it's such a thing that people don't know about, but it's such a glamorous thing that'll like live on forever time capsule that'll never happen again oh my gosh and i think and then of course meeting your husband and being in wrestling and now you're part of this like famous duo like it's wild and being married to someone famous like that was always like my dream too i was like oh to be married but like you were saying it comes with its own struggles and yeah i think it's a whole thing that people just love to know about and i I think you should.

I'm sure someone will come to you. One day, maybe. After your reality show and your. Oh, God. Oh, Lord. How's hearty? Oh, my God. Could you imagine?

I think you'd be so good. Because your personality, again, your TikTok doesn't show. It shows like your house and like who you are as a person. But your personality in person is so different than anyone could imagine. And I'm scared to show my personality. Wait, personality. Because I'm afraid of what I'll say. You are? I am afraid to be, I don't know. I feel like the house and like the book and like family content, it's like marketable. I feel like myself might be like a little unhinged, like in a format like reality TV, I'm sure that could work. Like, oh, here's the crazy bitch that brings the drama,

you know? But like on social media, I don't want to be the dramatic one because even now there's like stuff that I'm like being pulled into like drama and I'm like, please. Wait, right now? Just stuff with friends of mine or whatever. Wait, really? Wait, in real life or on social media, friends? Oh no, I haven't seen it. Because I kind of look, I like typed in controversy.

I was like, Reby Hardy controversy. I'm like, there's not much new I didn't see. Not with me, but you know, people are always trying to drag you into stuff. People you don't realize. That's my biggest fear. I think that's why I have no friends because I'm like, I hate drama too. I hate it that way and you just always get sucked into it. Is it stuff personal or just?

It's just that. Yeah. If you don't know what it is, then never write it down. I'm shocked because I did a deep dive too. I was like, let me know. I was like, oh, there's this thing. Oh, my God. Interesting. I get that. If you don't know what it is, then never buy this one. I'm shocked because I did like a deep dive too. I was like, let me know. And I was like, oh, there's this. Oh, my God. Interesting.

I get that. I get that part. I mean, I wouldn't even say you're unhinged. I think that you're super refreshing. I was like, wow. Because again, I see you as like perfect housewife married to a wrestler with four kids that just has time to decorate the house all day. That's nice. That is so nice to hear.

Your 20 Christmas trees. I was like, wow, what a dream. I'm glad I'm giving that off and not something else. Thank you. You give off like effortless, like you have five nannies, house staff, like all this stuff like that. Oh my God. The homeschooling, all of it. I think it's so, it's actually like so impressive. I don't know the whole thing. And yeah, like you're a little wild, but I think that's like fun. Just, you know, it's just, again, refreshing that you're a mom and, but you're also little wild but I think that's like fun just you know it's just again refreshing that you're a mom and but you're also fun you didn't lose your funness to it thank you what is um the gothic baby voice because now hearing you're super bubbly like your voice is

actually very it gives me play me it's very bubbly play me why is it okay oh thank you so where the how's the gothic baby voice the gothic baby voice started because I was literally filming the voiceover for like the the first clap back video that i was doing that was like the satirical like life of a gothic baby video and uh she was sleeping next to me so i had to talk quiet like this so this is literally just my my baby is sleeping next to me this is a day in the life of a gothic baby that gave me chills that was asmr that was the asmr i've never gotten like chills from That was ASMR. That was the ASMR. I've never gotten like chills from ASMR, really.

That was good. Oh my God. That's funny. Yeah. Thank you for doing that live. Oh my God. I seriously did get a little bit like, wow. I've never done it live, I don't think.

Oh my God. That was so exciting. I feel self-conscious because I feel like I'm like, you know. That was so good. You went into a character. My quiet mom voice, really. That's what it was. Wow.

It was so good because I thought maybe, it almost sounds like you're like a little sick or something. So I was like maybe you're like sick or something, you know. Wow. You should definitely do – are you going to do like a – you should do like an audio version. Audio book. Yeah. I want to. I got to figure out how to do that.

I think because they come with baby books or like children's books that you can like record like a voice. I'm sure there's something where you just – Push a button. Yeah. I would love to. Oh, that's Malibu's favorite when you can push a button and it does. That would be everything. Oh, my gosh. Oru's favorite when you can push a button and it does. That would be everything. Oh, my gosh.

Or just a movie or TV series. Life of a Gothic Baby. It's so in right now. I wish. I wish. Gothic Baby's everything. Now, one day she, like, gets older. You think she'll be like, I don't want to wear black.

I mean, people ask that a lot. Like, what happens when she becomes preppy? She becomes preppy. I'll be there. I'll change the whole room again you know i'm a little sad about it because now i have all this like you know connection to it in so many different ways but well you'll have another house you'll like build more you'll have the library you'll have another wing for her i hope so it is because it is kind of classic the gothic baby nursery like

that would be terrible i mean that yeah how that even started was just like liking that like classical like disney princess vibe like that's that, like, classical, like, Disney princess vibe. Like, that's where, like, that whole style even came from. More so of, like, just all black, you know? Because her nursery isn't even really black. There's black accents. But it's more like, you know, what I would imagine, like, a castle room would actually look like. But, you know, just not pink and, you know, Disney.

Right. It's very, like, yeah, it's more, like, regal. Do you think, that'd be crazy if, like like Disney makes a movie and they start all have like a black like crib and stuff like that? It does. I wish. Because that makes sense. Like you think about those ones like Princess Aurora and stuff like that.

Like they do have more of a medieval vibe. Even like Cinderella. Like the stepmother's room in Cinderella is very much like that style. Like Beauty and the Beast, it's that style. That's true. Oh my God. That'd be crazy. They have a little like gothic baby. Well, hopefully they collaborate with you because people would

call it out. People would be like, excuse me, wait. Yeah, right. Oh my God. They call the baby Evermore. Jeez. That is crazy. The Evermore and the Nevermore connection. That is like wild. Just happened to be, meant to be, I don't know, some sort of weird goth connection. Do you think you'd ever go back to singing? Oh, I don't know. Some sort of weird goth connection. Do you think you'd ever go back to singing? Oh, I don't know. I would love to. People say, like, oh, you should record an album. Every time I do karaoke, I think it's people just being nice, man. I would like to. No, your

karaoke is everything. I wanted to do a Christmas song, like Santa Baby, but Gothic Baby. Oh, my gosh! And I missed the boat. I thought of it too late. Goddamn. Maybe next year. Oh, no! You could record it now for next year since she's so little. Because she grows so fast. Maybe.

Maybe we'll shoot a music video. It'll be Gone with Toddler. Oh, man. That would have been so good. Yuki Yuki is everything. Is that in your house? Yeah. Is it like, you're in a theater room.

Is that your movie theater? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And do you do it just for fun? Just you? Or do you have people over? Just fucking around. I have just friends, whatever.

I love it. But every time I have friends, I was like, i have to fly people out to come see me because nobody really lives around oh where where is north carolina is that like southern like yeah yeah yeah definitely so is it on the coast are you gridlocked i don't know no i'm not near a beach i'm like three hours from okay okay i'm gonna try to figure out in the fort like if you google view like where i am it's like nothing but like treetops and like a dot and that's my house. Oh my God.

That's so wild. Are you like adjusting to it? Are you like? It's all right. It's all right. I'm making the, I would never be able to like afford the lifestyle that I have like back in New York, let's say. Oh yeah.

Like there's no fucking way. No. Yeah. So, you know. And there's all the land you have. I mean, that alone is like super, what do you guys do with all of that? Since you've been around naked. Yeah.

You're that family. That's it. Yeah. Just, yeah. Just free balling it outside. Yeah. The privacy is amazing though. Like if no one's around you within an hour. Yeah. As long as no wrestling fans come and take pictures by our gate. Don't come to their house. That's wild. I'm surprised they do that. Just knowing, well, I guess because your husband's just so nice too. They're probably just like, oh, he's nice. Yeah. Yeah. And here I come. Yeah. That's good. You got to be that way. And he's from there.

He like was born and raised there. Yeah. So he's just like, this is it for me. His dad was born on that property. His mom was born on that property. Yeah. On the actual property you guys live on? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh. Like hundreds and hundreds. Because he didn't know where he was from. So people would ask like him all the time, where are you from? Like, I didn't know what my kids were. Like my kids are Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican are what? Mystery. he didn't know where he was from so people would ask like him all the time where are you from like i didn't know what my kids were like my kids are puerto rican puerto rican and what mystery i don't know oh his nationality you know nobody knew so i had to like do one of those like dna test things and yeah and then i figured so he's native and irish and english native american on his mom's side yeah and then irish and english oh my god because i was

like where what are my kids? I have no idea. That is, oh, yeah, that's wild. I guess they're white. I guess that's it. But, like, white, what white? Well, is that even white? I don't know.

Native Americans, like, not really, right? I don't know. I mean, it's diluted so much at that point, probably. Yeah. I don't think they can claim it, but. I wouldn't know what he is, actually. Like, I was like, maybe Italian, maybe. I don't know.

Yeah, because I look at him, and I don't think, like, white boy. Like, I can tell, like, he's got. He has, like, something, yeah. A little spice in there, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Cause I look at him and I don't think like white boy. Like I can tell like he's got something a little spice in there. I'm 23 and me. I don't know what I am. I always just thought, I have no idea. I literally don't know either. Oh, you don't? No, I have no idea.

My parents are different things. And I'm like, I don't think I'm any of that. Cause I did one a while ago. My dad says he's a hundred percent something. I'm like, well, I'm not that. I feel like that would be the reveal of the century. That's what I say. That's why I'm scared to do it.

You could probably do a whole reality show of just that. Seriously. Because people always are like, are you something? Are you this? And I'm always like, I don't know. I'm white because my parents are white. But then I'm like, I don't know. Not to say I'm anything.

I'm not trying to be like, I'm this or that. But it's always weird to me. I couldn't even say. You got some spice in there, too. Yeah, that's how I feel. I feel like. But then I'm scared. And then like, what if my parents aren't my parents?

What if my dad's not my dad? I'm just like, you know what I mean? I've seen those TikToks where they're like, oh, we were secret siblings the whole time. Some crazy thing. Oh, wow. I feel like we're far enough removed genetically. So he's from like a different side of the country. And I'm like, OK.

Or not world, actually, not country. Did you guys ever do a gender reveal? We did. We did one on TV. And I feel kind of bad about it. Wait, why? Because it was one of those like big dramatic ones. And granted, it was for TV. So like they did it. And, why? Because it was one of those big dramatic ones and granted it was for TV,

so they did it and the production of it had to be a production, but they're very taboo now, right? You're not really supposed to do gender reveals. I feel, is that, I don't know. I was talking to one of my friends and she's like, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's fine.

So we did a big one. We blew up a mountain with Tannerite. We had a sniper girl. I see what you mean. Like for the environment, is it okay? Yeah, well, I don't know. And I try and instill in them like gender is a construct and it doesn't really matter and that kind of thing. So that kind of goes against it.

But at the same time, like you're pregnant. You're excited. I know. You want to know everything. I'm one of those people who are like I'm'm in my pregnancy app, even the fourth pregnancy, every day, refreshing. What is it now? What are we doing?

What's developing today? Oh, no, it's exciting. Excited. You just want, like, something to know and to do, to be part of, you know, to celebrate. A direction to go. Yeah. It's also something to celebrate. Like, you said, like, that's how I feel, too.

I was like, would we do a big gender reveal? Because we know the gender of our next baby, but it's like, we're doing the gender reveal more for, like, the excitement of it all. Yeah. The family and stuff like that. For sure. So I was just was just like i don't know it's kind of fun just to announce something again yeah and then you know i love a good party too so if that ends up changing in the future we'll do another goddamn gender reveal right well here's your second gender reveal you let everybody know what it is oh yeah i don't care no i think that's

like so exciting but i've seen the tiktoks too where those go wrong and like the guy gets pissed that they're having like another girl or something. Oh, no. Have you seen those? Oh, I have. And they infuriate me. Oh, my God. I like want to find the guy and like –

Could you imagine your husband doing that? Just being like – just walking off being like, oh, man. Immediately no. Immediately no. Immediately no. Like infuriate me. The kids seeing that in the future. I know.

And I know my husband would never, but I always told him like, I don't give a fuck what you're – you better be happy about this. That's so sad. I don't care a what you're, you better be happy about this. I don't care if you're not, you better be happy about this. It's always girls. Whenever there's like three girls and then the dad gets pissed. I'm like, absolutely. The misogyny of it. Was he excited to have a girl? Yes. He really wanted to go. I was terrified to have a girl. He wanted a girl for sure. And he kind of drives me crazy because he, when he talks about it, he'll say, yeah, you know, we kept going till we got our girl. And I always correct him. Maybe that was your thought process, but I did not think that. Number one, I thought I was boy mom. I wanted to be boy mom. I was scared of girls. And number two, my boys were not failed attempts at a girl.

And I always make it a point to like correct anybody when they're like, oh, what? Oh, all these boys, you poor thing. Or when people have all girls, oh, you're going to try for a boy? It's like disappointing, especially when you say it in front of the kid. I think it's fucking rude. That's sending kind of like a wrong message to the kids, even if they don't really get it. So like, they might, you know, don't, don't, don't say that kind of shit. Yeah. I hate that.

So yeah, but I feel like you should have a fifth just to prove that point to be like, you know what? We got our girl, but we're still going just because we like kids. Right. It didn't stop there because it was a girl. It stopped there because I'm tired of my teeth falling out. That's what it is. Your teeth actually fell. Literally. Literally fall out one day to the next. Yeah. Did they say what that was from? It's just a lack of calcium. Your baby's going to get all the nutrients they need one way or another. So if your diet isn't perfect, and if your diet isn't perfect and I try my best, you know, but like if your diet isn't perfect or if you're not keeping up with what the baby demands that, you know, particular point in your

pregnancy, it'll take from your body. So my teeth, every single pregnancy I've had a teeth fall out. Yeah. Tooth fall out. Oh my God. Are you vegan? No. Just lack of calcium. I don't know. What is that like milk and stuff? Iron deficiency. Like calcium deficiency. Yeah. That's what it can be. Again, so you couldn't tell by looking at someone. You know, I would think like, oh, you're just like healthy, like everything.

No, no. I fall apart. Yeah. I feel like I have a horrible diet. I eat like butter noodles and fast food. I'm like, where is this baby getting its nutrients? So far, no teeth. Knock on wood, I've fallen out.

Oh, no, no. It would have happened already if it was going to happen for you. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that's wild. You're safe. You're good. I'm like, I'm telling'm telling you I feel like pregnancy I don't know the baby like gives me nutrients gives me I have all these notes I haven't even looked at it once I literally wrote down so many notes for you I was just like oh my god I think we're just talking shit I know I know no but that's the best that's why I that's why I love meeting people offline because I just never I don't know expected you to be like this you you know? I'm just so, like, stoked to be here.

And, like, I don't want to be that weirdo. But, like, you, like, match people. I was like, should I ask her if we can match? But I was like, no. Like, literally, until I, like, stepped foot into this very room, I was like, is this a joke? Like, is this, like, is this really happening? Does she really want me here? Like, why?

That's wild. Because I watch every podcast. It's all, like, people that are, like, really popping off. And I'm like, i'm like oh my god like i'm the one stupid guest i know he's gonna know i was like so nervous and then i don't want to bother you i don't want to be like a fangirl so are you kidding i i feel like because i followed you first on tiktok for so long and like i used to comment and never get any replies like okay what oh i commented on everyone when malibu was first born and that's why we did like the little wednesday one and then when Malibu was first born. And that's why we did the little Wednesday one. And then when everyone was tagging you. No.

I'm so sorry. I swear to God, I never saw it. Every time I've ever seen you say anything, I've died or made a response. I used to reply to everything because I was just so obsessed with your theme. I'm such a theme person, too. And I was like, oh, my God, I love it. You're probably like, you. I'm sorry.

No, I literally just expect no one to know who I am ever, especially that. And so I remember. Stop. And when they started tagging you, I was like, what if she know who I am ever, especially that. And so I remember with – Stop. And when they started tagging you, I was like, what if she doesn't like me? What is this? And then I remember I told Moses, as soon as you guys duetted us, I was like, they duetted us. I was so excited.

That's insane. No, I had no clue. Oh, my God. Oh, that makes me so happy to hear. Oh, my God. Of all my guests, truly, we're the closest in age. And also, you're just like, I feel the most relatable to you. I don't know why because, again, we have such different lives.

I do, too. There's so many things you've been through and you accomplish so much. I'm always just like ah this is the dream girl. This is the girl I think I am in my head. If I wasn't just sitting in my house alone by myself all of my Y2K with no friends or ambition. You make it happen for yourself though. I'm still trying.

It's always a thing but when I saw you and I was just like wow this is so cool. I would have loved to match. That would have been my dream. How did I know I would have bought this entire outfit the shoes included I have all of it because I told you I have a little on my emo phase my emo band and I love it so much I think all my things are phases I don't really know what I am I don't consider myself like a pink girl I think it's you know the Barbie hype I'm just I go with the flow whatever the phase is you know what I mean I think we have like a weird connection one of my exes I think made your merge

when you said the emo thing. I'm going to. We'll totally bleep it or neck cut it. What of all the connections? I'm like, that's the last. Okay. We're back. We're back.

That's wild. I love the tea. I love the tea. I thought you were going to be like, we like dated the same person, which would have been the best compliment ever. I love when people are like, we hooked up with the same guy. It's like, really? Actually, the TNA girl. No, I have terrible taste in men.

That would not have happened. First of all, I mean, Matt Hardy is a good prize, I would say. That's a pretty good one. Oh, OK. No, but the TNA girl that I knew, her and I were hooking up with the same guy. That's kind of how it happened. And he was on the USA Network. It was this whole thing.

And then she was this and that. And she was kind of telling me the whole story. And I was like, oh, that's funny. She told me. Wait, so you were friends with her? Because when I first said her name, you were like. No, no, no. We're friends, yeah. Oh, you were? OK, I liked her first said her name you were like no no no we're friends yeah oh you are okay i liked her i mean there was never yeah yeah okay should we give her a shout

out or no i don't think that's a bad thing because she was we're all good i thought you were not in the terms no okay shout out shawley martinez hey i was obsessed even with her she does like these youtube like wake and bake shows like i'm obsessed with it i don't know why she didn't pop off more after that because she was – She's been doing that forever since before people were even like that was a thing. Oh, no, I know. She's been like one of the first people I feel like doing that sort of like content. Oh, my God.

I want her on the podcast because she was – we just did so many like auditions and shows together. We kept seeing each other at the same thing and she was the ideal, right? Because she was so like tiny with the huge boobs. I was like, God, I want to be that girl, you know? So I was like, oh, that's so cool cool i'm glad you're still friends with her i didn't know you know because that whole world some people don't like each other some people do no yeah no for sure it's few and far between to find people that you get along with oh my gosh it's like mean girl high school shit for sure yeah dumb locker room hierarchy made-up politic bullshit which is probably why like i haven't gone back to it, honestly.

Yeah. I feel like that would just be hard dealing with the drama of all that and the girls. It's like I have enough, like, real world drama than to be, like, involved in, like, petty locker room drama. I wondered that, too. So wrestling, right, the storylines are fake. Do we say that or do people get mad? Same as any other thing on TV, right?

I mean. So does it affect your real life? Like with like, okay. Cause I don't know. I don't know Matt's story, but I just know like there was like a wrestler that I like knew we weren't like dating, dating, but like hooked up with whatever. And he would have like these like girlfriends on the show, but then he was like, no, it's not real. But then like hang out with them in real life. And I'm like, is this real?

Is this not? It's always real. Wait, really? I mean, I can't speak for everybody, but yeah. I mean, it's just, it's like you got to play the game, right? Same as any other industry. But I feel like in wrestling, it's like so much more cutthroat because it really is like who you know, whose ass you kiss, like, you know, who you're fucking.

I mean, probably like real world, but like to such a bigger scale because it really is its own little world within a world. And people really navigate almost under like different rules within wrestling. And they're like long established rules that have gone back generations. And I went through this. So you have to go through this type of mentality. And I did not succeed in wrestling partly because of that, I feel like. Really?

Because you just didn't want to play with it. I couldn't play the game. Like I operate in the real world first and I will be nice and I will do my job and I will be, you know, cordial. But if you want me to like, you know, lick your ass or hold your bag or whatever, you know, not change in a locker room because you're there, even though I have the same contract as you. I mean, I just, I can't deal with that.

That's not. Interesting. So you don't think you would have like lasted anyways. You're just like, I can't do this. Fights. Fights. Big fights. Like in real life, in real life. Big fights. Yeah. No, no. Wow. So, so now math like storylines, they're not like anything can't do this fights fights yeah big fights like in real life in real

life fights yeah no no wow so so now math like storylines they're not like anything to do with like girls because i always just think there's like girlfriends and people fighting and oh no no okay i will not allow that i didn't know how that worked and like tried to make that happen while we were together because he has like this big storyline with like one of his exes that no one will ever shut the up about to begin with and they tried to like do something at one point in wwe like that was involving her mentioning her and i was like i will fucking leave like because wrestling fans are so crazy they like let go of stuff that i i hear about this every single day of my life at least one of his exes at least once a day they were like. Yeah. Okay. So like every day for 13 years.

Imagine how old it gets. You know what I mean? So I was like, you are not going to invite even more of this. Give me a break. Like let it go. That's good. Come up with a new damn storyline. Okay, good.

None of that. And he's down. He's like, okay, I'm with you. He's like, whatever you say goes. I mean, I'll make your life miserable, sir. So you can make that choice. There's going to be repercussions. I'm sorry. It's not gonna be worth it

for anybody. Trust me. Yeah. I feel like, and you're such like a prize, so I feel like there's just no one better suited. Thanks. You really are. I mean, you are the ultimate like trophy wife, mom. I mean, and the fact that you do it all, like that really is the prize. Like, you know, usually people have like rich lives and they just have all this help

and the fact that you do it all is like amazing. Thank you. Well, but real quick before we're finished wrapping up you did mention true life off camera we're talking about it and i totally forgot what was your true life true life what i'm i'm a sports fanatic i remember was this real or did you exaggerate it was you know a little help from producers but is this your first TV gig, True Life? It was like my first mainstream thing, yeah. How old were you? Aside from like commercials.

Gosh, I was, I feel like maybe I had just done Playboy, so maybe like 2008-ish, maybe. True Life was iconic for people. It's on Hulu right now. No! So embarrassing. Oh, I wish I would have watched this. My niece just, yeah, she pulled it up. She's like, oh, your season's on Hulu. No way. What season? It's the only season that won an Emmy, so technically I am an watched this. My niece just, yeah, she pulled it up. She's like, oh, your season's on Hulu. No, wait, what season?

It's the only season that won an Emmy. So technically I am an Emmy winner. No way. Yeah. Wait, really? It won an Emmy? That's wild. The only season in the history of true life.

And how many seasons were there? It was a lot. A billion. What season are you? Gosh, it's like 11, 12, or 13 are one of those. It's one of the later ones. I'm going to find it on Hulu. I'm sure it's easy to just Google.

It's embarrassing. Oh my God. Are you going by Reby or are you going by... Are you in this bimbo era or alternative era? I am in my like sports girl. I'm in my sporty spice era. You literally turn into something for the show. You're like this is me. I'm a sports fan.

Well I was always like a Giants fan and like a fan of the team whatever but I mean obviously they have you really amp it up for the show. And the storyline was me leaving my boyfriend for the Giants, to move to New York, to be closer to the Giants, which obviously I was already leaving his ass anyway. Oh, really? Yeah. So it was all, you know, stay. They had me at the airport telling him goodbye.

I'm so sorry. You know, and it's like I'm leaving him for a football team. Wait, I don't get it. So, like, where were you going in the airport? You were like, going to go follow them? I was just going home. So did he know that you were going to break up with him before? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so he's like, I'm just out to do it. He was kind of playing along. That whole true life thing was, I mean, I was a sports fan and I did go to the games and I did get sued by

the NFL and I did, you know, wear costumes to the games. Yeah. Wait, before, after the show, the NFL sued you? During. It was like the perfect, perfect time. They're like, Oh yes, drama. Wait, what? What do they sue you for? What can they sue you for? I had a website that I would like tailgate at, um, tailgate at the, at the games. And then I would take my camera cause I'm a photographer. I'd take my camera and I would like take pictures of people. And then I'm like, Oh, if you want to see your picture, go to this website. And then the website was like me and slutty giants stuff, pictures and, you know, so they could see their stuff, but they could also go. And then you could also buy eight by tens of me and the slutty giant

stuff. So the NFL sued me for copy, you know, for the IP because obviously you can't do that. And I knew that I couldn't do it, but I thought, oh, whatever, who's going to notice, who cares? You know, it's just whatever. Not building an empire with my slutty pictures, do it, but I thought, oh, whatever. No one's going to notice. Who cares? You know, it's just whatever. Not a big deal. Not building an empire with my slutty pictures, you know. But I did get a cease and desist. So they made that a big part of the show. Oh, I see. And so nothing ever happened. You just stopped.

Yeah, I just, I guess I ceased. It worked. Because so many people are like, cease and desist don't matter or whatever like that. But I guess it worked. You're like, okay. I wasn't losing like a huge chunk of income anyway. It was more of just like, you know, something. What a cool business, though. That's why I'm like, you know, something. What a cool business though.

That's what I'm saying. You're always smart. You know all the business stuff. It was fun though. And I mean that parlayed into like my radio career. That whole, that show and the whole Giants gimmick. You know, I was like showing up in costumes, but now everybody does it. But you know, back then it wasn't really like a thing.

And what did you do on the radio? I didn't know you had a radio show. This is new. Because I like know everything about you. But this, was this back in New York. Yeah. So it was for serious XM actually. So like the Howard Stern thing kind of like helped with those connections,

but I had gone as part of the true life thing to like serious NFL radio. And through that met somebody who was starting a wrestling talk show, ended up subbing for that. And then ended up being a host on that show. Oh my gosh. Your life really is a chain of show. Ended up subbing for that and then ended up being a host on that show. Oh my gosh. Your life really is a chain of events. Butterfly effect.

Yeah. Really everything is connected. Everything is crazy. That is wild. Oh my God. And you were nervous to do this and you had a whole radio show. I'm like, what?

Because you do podcasts. I've seen you on podcasts. You're so good at them. I just started, honestly, just started doing podcasts this year. Really? And it's kind of like

I had to bring myself to like be with the times because i am like of that old school mindset right like i never want to go backwards in life so i was like oh i've done like serious i've done playboy like why would i ever do a podcast because i didn't understand but now podcasts are bigger than anything they're so huge you're you're bigger than howard stern are you kidding me so it's like howard's pretty big i had to change my mentality. Like, no one cares about that shit anymore, you know? I'm the same way, though.

I still want, I'm like, my dream is to have a TV show, but it probably would be less. When I hear Wendy Williams in 50,000 an episode, I'm like, you can get way more than that podcast. You need a show if you don't have a show. I love mainstream still. I am rioting. Oh, my God. A talk show is like my dream. Anyone needs a show, it is you.

Please. Oh, we'll put that out there. I would love. I just, I'm so old school that way, too. Like, I love TV. It gets me excited. Like, reality shows get me excited I would love I just I'm so old school that way too like I love TV it gets me excited like reality shows get me excited I just think there's something cool about it and like I don't know nostalgia I don't know podcasts are cool but it really

is just like you know you go to someone's house and there's just like cameras up well you're like literally bringing out all of my like dirty laundry tea so yeah if anyone can do it it's you girl oh but I again everyone wants to talk to you I appreciate that but I truly I've- Everyone wants to talk to you. You got it. I mean, I appreciate that. But I truly, I've been, I was so excited to do this just because like I just have loved

you for so long and piecing it all together was such a mind trip to me. I was just like, oh my God, this is Reby Sky. This is Reby, you know, it's like such a crazy thing to like discover. And it's amazing to see just like you constantly reinventing yourself and redoing everything and keeping your family together. I think that's the most important thing you said is like I love the idea of just being with family all the time. And you found a way to like make it and make it work and make money and they have great

lives. And I think it's amazing. And now you're here in California doing book signings with Gothic Baby. And she was just so cute. Seeing you guys walk in together hand in hand, it was just the cutest thing in the whole world. It just made me so happy. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you. It was literally so much fun. My dream

is to karaoke with you one day with North Carolina in your movie theater room. Oh my god, please. We'll be one of those people that's like, hey, we're here. That'd be so fun. Please. Yeah, so I'm so excited. Evie's upstairs with Malibu. I just want to see them playing cause Malibu was sleeping in a chamber when she woke up and he said when they went

up there they were having fun yeah we're excited so thank you guys check out Rebby Hardy with her book Gothic Baby she's on TikTok possible reality show possible another baby oh man truly my favorite Hardy out there thank you you're amazing and

yeah we'll see you guys next time bye