Just Trish - Rosanna Pansino Reveals She Was BETRAYED by MrBeast & Reality TV Producers

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

On episode 26 of 'JUST TRISH', RosannaPansino speaks out for the first time about unfairly being EDITED OUT of Beast's $1,000,000 Influencer Tournament–and why it's been so hard to watch his content ever since. Plus, Ro reveals the scary truth about her experience competing on the reality TV show 'Scream Queens' on VH1. And the Nerdy Nummies mogul opens up about expanding her empire even further.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, hey guys! Welcome back to the Judge Fish Podcast. I am so excited to be joined by really a YouTube legend, beyond YouTube, mainstream legend, and so much more, actress, YouTuber, baker, host, just everything, Rosanna Pansino! Thank you for having me and my cheeks are about to be pinker than these walls because I just get so embarrassed. That was a really sweet intro. You do. I always have known you done so much, but when I really did the deep dive, I'm like, oh my gosh, you have been on every, it's not just podcasts, you're on Kelly Clarkson, you're on all these things. I'm like, wow, you're one of those ones who transitioned to mainstream off YouTube, which is insane because you also started kind of mainstream,

did YouTube, now you're mainstream all over again. Oh yeah. I kind of came back around and now everything's working together. And I'm really happy that it's in that place because when new media was first emerging, I think there was a little bit of tension between what they called old media, traditional media and new media. And people were like, we're not sure what's going to happen. We don't know where the cards are going to fall or whatever. And it got a little dicey for a little bit, but now it's pretty integrated.

I think it's in a much better place. Yeah. What do you prefer? Like, do you have a preference, one or the other? I like them both for different reasons. Like, I see myself always creating YouTube content because I enjoy it. I genuinely love it and enjoy it, and I get to be creative and have fun. And it's just my people. That's my community. Like this is my home. Um, but I love performing. I

love acting. I love singing. I love hosting. I just like making stuff. Like I like making TV shows, movies. So I think that whatever project I'm doing, I'm always going to bring my YouTube community along with me because that makes me the most happy. So I think it's always going to be like the blend of both worlds for me. Wow. Because it's almost like you're more connected as far as like you can actually talk. Because like watching you on last night was the Halloween cookie bake-off show. I watched it. Oh, my gosh.

And it was so good. My mom is like the big fan. When she saw you at Malibu's birthday, she's like, I bake-off show. I watched it. Oh, my gosh. And it was so good. My mom is, like, the big fan. When she saw you at Malibu's birthday, she's like, I love her cookie show. And you're like, it's coming back. And she was, like, so excited. But it's cool. It's weird to see you on there because on YouTube you are so personable. You, like, people know you.

But then to see you, like, on this production, on this set, on this, like, legit show, it's so surreal to see. I was like, wow. And you're so good. You're so professional at it. Oh my gosh. Which is amazing. Did you do like hosting? Cause you went to college, but you weren't, didn't go to college for like entertainment. You went for teacher, right? No. Yeah. I went to college. I didn't know what I was going to be. I just knew that my parents from a very young age said you're going to college and they sacrificed so much to even for me to have that opportunity. So even though I

didn't know what I wanted to do, I knew I had to graduate from college because my dad worked his buns off, um, to support our family and even create those opportunities. So, um, I actually wanted to go to an acting school, but I promised my dad I would get a degree. And so I did. Um, and he said, you know what, if you decide you want to do acting after we'll support you, but I really want you to have this degree in your back pocket just in case, you know, for life. And I said, you know what, that's fair. And he did so much for me. What's four years getting a degree, you know, it, who cares? How could, how could that hurt me? And I don't think that it has hurt me. What's four years getting a degree? You know, it, who cares? How could, how could that hurt me? And I don't think that it has hurt me. I think that I learned a lot

and I think I'm better for it. Yeah. It's, it's funny, but I, I definitely would have gone to acting school like right away. Yeah. Interesting. Were you acting while in college? Did you do theater and stuff in college? I did. I also did it in high school. So, so funny because we're wearing our pink ladies today. I love that you dressed up with me. I was like, who can, who will dress up in a Halloween costume with me, Rome? I feel like I needed to go bigger. I'm like regretting my decision. You look great. You're like Sandy vibes. Trish is the cutest little Frenchie ever and I should have brought a blonde wig. I just, yeah, in high school I starred in the musical Grease

as Sandy. And it just, Grease has a special place in my heart. It's always going to have a place in my heart. It's just such a fun play. There's so much energy, the music, the dancing, the story's so fun. It's just just what a dream role. The fact that you had to be Sandy, that's like, I'm envious of anyone who got to play Annie in Annie or Sandy in Grease.

Those are always my dream roles. I'm like, oh, now I'm too old to do either one. No, you're not. No. Yes, I am. I'll be like the teacher. I'll be like Principal McGee. That would be me.

But being Sandy, it would be crazy. Were you blonde as Sandy? I was not. Yeah, you brunette Sandy. And I offered to dye my hair. But as we were studying Grease, I learned that in the play, the original Sandy was a brunette in the play. And then later, when Hollywood remade it as a movie, they casted Olivia Newton-John, a blonde, to play Sandy. But in the original, I have the hair color of the original Sandy. She was a brunette.

That's so interesting. So they kept me a brunette, but it was, everything about it was so fun. I loved every bit of it. So you're like a musical girly, because you do, I love your singing, I love your music videos, those are everything, but you started out in musical theater before you like became like acting like on the screen and stuff like that, which is so cool. And then in college, did you do musicals in college then? Yeah. I took acting classes in college. I took solo performance. I took opera. Um, I did acting performance. I did, uh, but that was just for fun. That was for me because I needed to get a degree and something that my parents thought was usable. Would you get a degree in? What was it?

I think it was communication. I'm dyslexic and I have ADHD. So I was just, I literally went to student services and I said, what's the easiest degree to get? And they said communication. They suggested communication. I know a lot of people have it, so. But if you're dyslexic, that is not the easiest. It's a lot of writing. Oh, how did you do it? I had to write a 50-page thesis.

Did you do it all yourself? Yeah. And it was supposed to take one semester, but for me it took two. I had to take it over two because it was just too big. It was just too much for me. It was really difficult for me to do. But I got through it. But it took two. I had to take it over two because it was just too big. It was just too much for me. It was really difficult for me to do. But I got through it. But it was hard.

Then your parents knew. Did they know you were dyslexic when you went to college? They knew I had some type of learning disability. But at the time, they didn't know the name of it. I had gone to an alternative middle school for people who had learning disabilities. But at the time, they didn't even identify it with the word. Wow. So that was really interesting growing up.

It was a little confusing. I knew that it was harder for me to read and write. I was slower at it. I just processed reading and writing slower. I could still do it. And it was weird because in school, everyone would say I was, you know, dumb, slow, stupid, but I got really good grades because I tried so hard and I would just force myself to get through things. And it was, it was confusing, but yeah, in college is finally when I was diagnosed. Um, and thank goodness. Cause now,

you know, when you put a name to, you know, what you're going through, or what issue you're struggling with, it can really help because then you can learn more about it and learn more about yourself and learn how to help yourself. Because before I'm just confused and frustrated. What did you do? What were like the steps once they told you? A lot of it was like just ways around basically the things that were difficult, like reading. I love reading. I love stories, but I'm not great at it. So I learned to do books on tape. There's just a lot of things, being more patient with myself, learning that, you know, I wrote down the list of things that I'm not great at. And then Mike and I work hard to like outsource those things.

Right. Versus trying to force myself to do things I'm terrible at. Yeah. Because that creates like low self-esteem. And that's what I experienced kind of after I graduated college. I tried a lot of different jobs and I sucked at all of them. Got frustrated. I never got fired.

I don't know how. You're just like a hard worker too. I think it shows. They were like, we like your personality. We like the attitude. We see you're making an effort. They just thought I was stupid. You know, like I was doing scheduling for an office and I was messing up all the dates and the times. And I, you know, and I was really upset every night, every night I would go home and it doesn't feel good when you go home after a day's work and you just feel like you sucked, like everything you did sucked. It doesn't build self-esteem. So when I, I was really sad after college, I just was not finding a job that I was any good at. And my mom, that's when she gifted me an acting class because she was like, you're so bummed out.

Let's just, so that was my Christmas gift. Oh my gosh. And I did that acting class and it just brought me so much joy. And it's the only time that I hear from people like you're good at this. So it gave you that like validation. This is something you're good at.

And I got cast on Seattle's largest fan fiction series of Star Trek Phoenix which made the news and what is that an agent in California saw it and said if you move here I'll take you as a client and I said I'm packing my bags oh my god were you like a Trekkie were you cosplaying were you on the show like what was it because I haven't seen anything about that um I was I played Ensign Kelly Ensign on, these are Navy terms. So on the spaceships, they use Navy terms, like military Navy terms and rankings. And so I was Ensign Kelly. So I'm the lowest ranking officer on the Starfleet.

But, you know, that's fitting. Oh, my gosh. Well, you were young, you know. Oh, my gosh. So it's like airing in Seattle or where, or was it airing everywhere? I think it was in Seattle and they were showing it on TV, which was really cool and fun and exciting. And that's how someone found me. And an agent saw you and he had, oh my God. So you knew that was, I mean, that has to be the most validating thing to be like, oh, they just picked

you randomly. That's great. Are you still with the same agent? No. Were they a big agency or like a small agency? They were a smaller agency. agency and i i left because they weren't paying attention to the contracts and giving bad advice and um they at the end of the day gave me an ultimatum it was that tension between new media and like old traditional media and i think old media was a little fearful of you know new media like producing all these little fearful of, you know, new media, like producing all these things. And they said, you know, you have to pick, you have to pick a lane. Wow. You can't do both. And that was the meeting they had. They pulled me in the office and had a meeting and said, if you don't stop making YouTube videos, we're going to drop you as a client. And

I started crying. I was really upset because this is the only person that has ever believed in me professionally. Like that's my person. So when they said, you know, we're going to probably drop you. And I just said, but I begged with them and I pleaded and I told them that YouTube is a wonderful tool. Like the only commercial I had booked that year, it was a Sony commercial was because the casting director as a kid was a fan of my YouTube channel. And I said, this is an asset. This is a great thing. Like, don't you see the synergy?

Don't you see the – and they just didn't have any foresight because, you know, 10 years later they reached out and were like, hey, want to get coffee? And I was like, no. Oh, did you say no? Good for you. Yeah, I did. I said no. Oh, good for you.

Because now that I'm entering my second act in life – Yes. Oh, man, we got to get to that. It was so interesting what you were saying before. It's going to be the new me. I love it. Do you think you're in your second act now? Yeah, I am. Oh my gosh. Because I'm 38 right now and someone who I really adore, Jane Fonda, was giving an interview and talking about the three acts of life. She views life like in three acts. From one to 30, that's like act one. 30 to 60, that's act two. And then 60 to 90 is like act three. I hope I get to 100, but what I-

Yeah, what happens then? Oh, well, I mean- I guess there's no act. You're the final act. Yeah, that's like encore. Yeah, that's the encore. That is encore. At that point, you just collect your flowers.

Oh my God, to be 100? I could see it. Just mail me fluffy dogs and flowers and I'll just that's all I want in life I love it so yeah I feel like I I feel like it's good for people if anyone's listening just like to reflect at those stages in life and evaluate where you're at and if there's things you want to change if there's places you want to go things you still want to do or discover, because those are kind of those big milestones. So I think as I'm entering my second act, I'm just going to take less crap.

I think that that is my motto. During your first act, what are some of the things, what are probably like the biggest, as you say, what did you say, eat crow? I never heard that. You said that earlier. What does that mean? Ate so much crow. What was the biggest crow you ate in your last did you say, eat crow? I never heard that. You said that earlier. What does that mean? Ate so much crow. What was the biggest crow you ate in your last one? Oh, my goodness.

Is crow like the animal crow? How? I don't know if it's a slang. I've never heard it, but I like it. Like an actual crow. Oh, okay. Eat crow. It's like eating dog shit.

Really? Or do I not like it? Like literally. Oh, okay. What's eating crows? It's like eating dog shit. Really? Like literally. Oh, my God. Not like literally, but oh, my God. Mike, how do you explain it? Is it a real term? Just make it up. No, I swear.

Basically, take a lot of shit. What was the? You just take it. Yeah. And after a while, I just feel like my trauma tank is full and I feel like it's just spilling out now. Like there's nowhere else to put it. So it kind of has to stop here because I I've just had enough. How did you deal with it? Like people just constantly, what would you say? Take advantage because you are so nice. And, and that's what I think we want people to know about you or say about you is that you are just so nice. And it's true. You are like super nice, but with that comes people who want

to take advantage of you. So what would you do? Like where, where do you think that you got taken advantage of the most in your early career in stage one? Like if 20 year olds are watching, like where would you say, be careful here? Is it the agents? Is it YouTube? Is it your friends? Is it other social media people? Like that's such a good question. I looking back, it came from different places. It came from producers.

It came from a high powered photographer. I had a really bad situation with that, which hopefully one day I'll be able to be brave enough to talk about it. A lot of it came from entertainment, but for as much negative experiences that I had in entertainment over the last 15 years, I've also had really wonderful experiences. And just for anyone listening, entertainment is, it's a mixed bag. Like there are some wonderful people in entertainment, wonderful directors, wonderful producers, wonderful co-stars, people who are amazing, people who are supportive, respectful, are there for you. I've had so many good people

that I almost feel guilty being open about the bad experiences, but I, I just can't shove it down anymore. I think is just, I just, I'm, I'm just so sick of it. I think that I watched my grandfather and my dad, they're both Irish and how they dealt with things, something that would negatively happen to them as they would drink, you know, and that would kind of just, it was like a self-medicating thing, I think. And I started to do that. And not excessively, but just if I had a bad day, I'd have a whiskey. That was just kind of how I unwinded. I, you know. And now I'm not doing that. I found healthier things and ways to cope.

And I found that actually talking about a negative experience that happened that day or something that went wrong on set is a lot more therapeutic. Like it's a lot more healthier than drinking. Right. I mean, and I think I've had to learn that the hard way because I didn't really have an example to follow because in my family something bad happens they just bury it I mean you shove it so deep down you shove it into that toe that pinky toe you just shove it so far down and you just suppress it and then you know one day it might just spill out. Yeah. But now I feel like I've suppressed so many bad experiences and trauma and like I'm just

completely full. Like there's nowhere else to put it. Yeah. So my, my, yeah, it's like, don't, don't bring it over here because I've got nowhere to store it anymore. That's good. And I feel because you are established and you're like older, it's good to talk about these things because when you're so young, you're scared. Like you're scared that

people won't want to work with you or people think you're drama or something like that. So I think it's important. Like people with, I mean, look at like Gwyneth Paltrow, she started like the Harvey Weinstein thing and so many other people came out and then like justice was like served for that. So I think it's like super important to talk about those things, even if they happened 10 years ago, because you get to a point now where you like feel safe to talk about it. Yeah. And I feel, I feel like it's just, cause even now this new generation, even if they happened 10 years ago, because you get to a point now where you like feel safe to talk about it. Yeah. And I feel, I feel like it's just, cause even now this new generation, even though like everyone's a little more woke and the Me Too movement, there's still those people who like

take advantage of nice people, especially girls. I think as like horrible as it is, like young girls get taken and young girls are scared and they want to get ahead and stuff like that. And they'll put up with a lot of crap and not just like sexual advances, just a lot of wrongdoings and stuff like that. Cause you'll put up with a lot of crap, and not just, like, sexual advances, just a lot of wrongdoings and stuff like that. Because you did reality, and you did scripted. You did, like, You Are on Glee. Both, yeah.

Always Sunny, which Glee I've always heard, like, horror stories, but you also did reality shows, Scream Queens. So, like, of the two, were they both fun? Were they both scary? Like, Glee you hear horror stories from all the time. What was your experience first on there? Oh my goodness. So I'll just say that I've worked on so many different sets.

Scream Queens was my first show that I did, a reality show, like my big project. And since then, I've worked on so many sets. I've worked on Glee. I've worked, I guest starred on Disney. I guest starred on Nickelodeon. I guest starred just recently on Glee. I've worked, I guest starred on Disney. I guest starred on Nickelodeon. I guest starred just recently on NCIS. As Tara Walker, I love that character. We filmed at Paramount.

And all of these sets were professional. No set is perfect. There's always, you know, one grumpy person or something, you know. But who cares? All these sets were professional. They were fun. I felt safe. I had a blast.

Even Glee. I mean, Glee had its own problems, but nothing was as bad as Scream Queens. Reality show. The reality show. Season two. And I almost, after that experience, I almost just stopped in entertainment completely because I was so traumatized from the experience. I thought if all sets are like this, it's not worth it. I love performing and I love acting.

But if this is how I'm going to be treated, that it's not worth it. And I'm glad that I gave acting a second chance after that experience. That was at the advice of my parents. They said, I know it's bad, but try a different environment and see. And if it's still like that, there's no good, you know, then get out of there. Right. That's pretty supportive considering they were trying to, you know, they wanted to go to college before acting. So the fact that they were still supporting you. Your business doesn't move in a straight line. Some days bring growth, others bring challenges.

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want to say I was like 18 or something when I applied. I didn't know, like, I just want to be an actress cause I just want to be famous. I didn't know, like, I just want to be an actress because I just want to be famous. I didn't know like you should like memorize your lines. Like I was like reading off the script for my audition. So like, that's obviously like a rookie mistake, but I wanted to be on So Bad because the first season, um, they got a part in Saw, which was like a huge deal. Was it Tanija? What was her name? Tanija Howard. Yeah, she won the first season. So I was like, that's amazing that's amazing and like it was only way to break into like movie acting back then because like social media was around but it wasn't really like a you know it wasn't like it is now and i just i didn't have an agent i didn't know how to get on so i was like this is my chance so it was a huge show for everyone to be on and it was you

won a part in in the saw movies was the second one for saw too yeah so it's to be a in a character or yeah character in sob and they did acting challenges the first one was james gunn but james gunn wasn't in the second right no he wasn't in the second um who was the director uh tim sullivan but i got to meet james because he was still involved uh he was going through some stuff uh privately so he brought in his friend tim sullivan who directs horror films um but it was wonderful because I still got to meet James and develop a relationship and get great advice from him and he still today gives me advice wow he's huge I mean he went on I mean he was big back then

and I think that just speaks volumes about him and his character that he's so successful and he's so busy. And he still takes the time to, if I have a question, you know, to answer me. And I really appreciate it. Like I reached out to him. I was looking for an acting coach because I had the audition for NCIS. And I wanted to try something different. And he advised I work with his different. And, uh, he advised, I work with his, his friend, uh, and I did, uh, Ben and I got, I got it. I booked it. I mean, so he just

has great advice. He's such, he's such a great guy and he is just really understands actors and, and helps them. And, and, and I just, I can't say enough great things about him. So it wasn't the people on the show that was the bad part. It was what the production, like what was, because we talked about it privately because I just think it's one of the most fascinating things about you every time I meet you. I'm like, oh my gosh, my friend Jeff

just wrote a horror movie called Thanksgiving. It's coming out this fall with Alison Rae. So I was like, oh, she was on Screen Queens because to me Screen Queens is- Are we going to go watch it? Oh my gosh, yes, we have to go. We'll go to the premiere. I want to go. If you go, I want to go with you. Oh my gosh. Yes. That would be so much fun.

I love horror films. Oh my gosh. You should be in it. Cause honestly, you are, you are so good at acting. I saw the NCIS and I was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing. And it's amazing you're still doing it. But back then, and we talked about it, like I said, in private and you said it's, it was traumatizing. You used that word. And what was, what did you think going into it? Like what were you expecting versus what actually happened? Yeah. So Scream Queens, like Trish said, it was, uh, the show premise was 10 unknown actresses who compete for a role. We do acting challenges in for Saw VII. So if you made it on the show, there was a one in 10 chance that you would book

the role to be in a horror film, which was just so cool and amazing. And the way that they had pitched it, I was really on board and I thought it was fascinating. And I thought the premise of the show was just so cool. And I had seen a little bit of season one and I just loved all these acting challenges. And I was really looking forward to working with James Gunn. Um, and so I auditioned, uh, and I auditioned with 36,000 other women auditioned for the show. You did an open call. Yeah. Where was it? Do you remember? It was like Universal? Wow. At their production offices.

Oh, wow. And I gave a strong audition. I got a call back and a call back. And I remember there was girls in the waiting room. And when I opened the door and came out of the audition, they just looked at me and they're like, that voice was you? And I was like, hee hee. Did you do a scream? Were you doing a scream? They gave you an improv role. They had a scream? They gave you an improv role.

They had a scripted part and then an improv role. And the improv role, they wanted me to pretend I was possessed like Exorcist, like by the devil. And I went for it. I mean, I just uninhibited went for it. It's amazing. I thought, what does the devil want? You know, what's his background story? The motivation.

What's his motivation? But that's a good actress. That's something I could never fathom. What would be the devil's motivation? Well, what's your motivation for it? Well, he wants souls, right? Right. Right.

Interesting. So I went with that. Wow. And they were like, yeah. And I was like, yeah. Wow. And then people outside heard you they were shocked like you're such a tiny petite thing how did where did that come from yeah yeah I had a

lot of fun I loved the acting challenges on the show so good I love the other girls I loved um Tim Sullivan and the actress Jamie King and I loved the premise of the show what I didn't love and what was traumatizing was the production decisions that they made, how they produced it, and the living conditions. They were awful. So what year is this? This is 2010?

2000, oh my gosh, 13 years ago. Wow, was it? 13 years ago. Was it 2010? Yes, this was 2010. So this is early on with reality shows like this anyways. Because they did like production. It's like you're in a movie, these challenges.

So this was early on. Because I was a baby. 13 years ago. I just graduated college. I just moved here. This is my first production. That's wild. Because to me, it feels like just yesterday.

It just feels like I remember it so vividly. You just blink. It was on VH1. Yeah. It was on VH1. It was on VH1. It was a Lionsgate production because Lionsgate produces Saw. And I, gosh, okay, so. Was Shani on it?

She was on the first season as a judge and Jamie King was on the second season. Oh my gosh. How much time do we have? Where do I start? We have three hours, five hours go. Did you, your season, I'm trying to think, did they scare you guys?

Did they have like scare actors come in? Because I saw clips of it. Okay, yeah. I was like, because I get the two seasons mixed up. I watched both of them, but I was like, I can't remember which one was which. Yeah. They had like jump scare actors come in here and there. Do you get scared? Do you get? I was just physically and mentally exhausted. From day one?

So you're just seeing someone who's exhausted the entire time is basically what you're looking at. So that was. How do they tell you? So they tell you. How much time do you have to prep before you go in the house? Are you mentally prepared for it? Oh, okay. So let's start at the beginning.

Yes, I love all this stuff. The show opens. That beautiful house that they have all the B-roll footage of, this gorgeous house, how they open the show. The very first shot of the show is a lie. I have never seen that house. I don't know whose house they were filming. It was not the house. We didn't stay in a house.

Where did you stay? That's a part of it. If they were upfront and honest about the process and the details, I wouldn't have done the show. It is not a good fit for me. I don't think it's a good fit for a lot of people. But there were so many people, 36,000 women who auditioned for this show. So I think there would have been a lot of people that would have been okay with it. And I just wish they were upfront and honest about what the process was going to be like.

What was the thing that you thought they were, like, sneaky about? We lived in a warehouse downtown L.A. I don't know where because we weren't allowed to drive there. They picked us up from our house in a car and drove us. Well, first we stopped at a hotel for three days. They pick you up from your house. Yep. Stop at a hotel for three days.

Stop at a hotel for three days. And here is where we do some production stuff, but isolation. So they check us in. Each of the girls get their own private room. And they took away our key card so we could not enter or leave the room. And they said, this is, we're going to isolate you here. You could order food because you had like a per diem a day. So you could call room service and order food.

But we weren't allowed to leave. We were in isolation for about three days. We got evaluated by a psychologist. The psychologist mentioned to me and I said, why are we doing this? And they said, well, it's because when you're isolated for three days, then when you meet the other women, you're so depraved of like human interaction, like you're in solitary confinement that you'll create quicker bonds. And they like to do that for reality because the girls will bond very quickly. Wow. So it was a psychological thing.

Like it wasn't just for production. Like we want you guys to be surprised. It's like we want you to bond. Right. Trauma bond almost. Right when I showed up at the hotel and they said that was going on, I already felt uncomfortable because I talked to my mom every day. I talked to my sister every day. We're really close for my mental health.

I talk to people I love. So taking that away and putting you in solitary confinement, I mean, that's one of the worst punishments you can give a human being. And that's what they do in jail. Like the worst punishment is solitary. That's a, and so you go crazy with, you don't see people. Yes. Yeah. I was, I started to feel already sad and not like myself, like my mental health already started to decline just in those first three days before we were even shooting. And then, uh, at the hotel we did like pictures that you saw in the house of like our headshot photos. We did interviews, like your intro interview, like, hi, I'm Rosanna Pansino and I worked as a church secretary by day and a go-go dancer by night.

Is that what you wear? Oh, I love that. Oh, my God. That's what I can't do. That's exciting. And the second time I felt uncomfortable and unsafe was in those interviews. Like, we were sitting down in the interviews, and, you know, just going like this, like, Mike is behind the camera, you know, or Mo's behind the camera. And the producer would ask you questions, you know, to get the interview. And one of the questions they asked me was about my breasts.

And I just remember it was the first time I just felt like, what does that have anything to do with my acting ability? How does that play into a show about actresses competing in acting challenges for a role in a Lionsgate film? How does that, asking me questions about my breasts, I think they were asking if they were real or fake. That's what they asked? Wow. I didn't answer. I refused to answer and that question didn't make their editing cut, but they have footage of it.

Wow. It was very uncomfortable. Did they try to coerce anything out of you or they just went on to the next one? They went on to the next one. I was really uncomfortable. I don't think I could hide it on my face because it started to feel like a gotcha show versus what they preached.

It being a unique show and a great opportunity for people who love acting and are skilled at acting and haven't been discovered yet. So what they preached and what was happening was just two different things. It was extremely uncomfortable. And then when we showed up at the warehouse, not a house, warehouse, and in all the interviews, we had to refer to it as the house. How did the house look? Wasn't the house so good looking? Wasn't the house so cool? It was a warehouse.

Wow. I keep saying this because the living conditions were awful. Yeah, there's probably like mice and stuff. No heat. So we filmed over Thanksgiving and Christmas. Oh. And it was cold. A lot of people who aren't from L.A., they think that L.A. in the wintertime is bikinis.

Right. You know, but it gets cold. It was freezing. I was shivering the entire time. They have a wardrobe team, but it's only to like, you know, they look at what you brought and they go this, this, this, and this. They didn't tell us to bring jackets. They didn't provide them for you guys? No.

They gave us a list of what to kind of bring, and we brought dresses and this stuff. But it was just freezing. Enough girls complained that they finally brought in those really cheap, and I can say that because I grew up broke and I got one of these, those cheap space heaters, those little, like, the cheapest space heaters that you can buy. Like Home Depot. Home Depot.

Girl, probably Craigslist for this production company. They borrowed it. Wow. Yeah. And then we'd plug them in, but we couldn't have them being seen on camera. So we could only plug them in at certain times of day. And it only had like a 10-foot radius. And we would just like try to get warm.

But I had goosebumps and I was shivering. And for every episode, it's a week. So episode one is one full week of shooting. So it's one full week of living in the warehouse. And then I was on for two episodes, so I was on for two weeks. I wish it was zero. Wow. But it was two.

Wow. That's long. I've only done one reality show where we stayed at a house, and one episode was two days. I lost 10% of my body weight. Oh, my God. Over 15 pounds because I was freezing. Oh, my God. Do you think there was some psychological thing to that to keep you guys in those conditions, like in a warehouse freezing?

Or do you think they were just cheap? Because it's not a cheap production. They do high-scale things, high-budget things. I don't know. When I reflect back on it, I don't think that they did a lot of things to help us. Because I don't think us being cold all the time and getting sick helps us. I don't think not sleeping helps us. That's the other thing is they kept us up really, really late and then would wake us up really, really early. I didn't get a good night's rest, not one day. So you're just seeing someone get more and more exhausted, just breaking down.

I mean, it's just, it was awful. When I got back home, I slept for two days straight and then I had to go to the hospital because I had a fever of 103 and it was just from being cold. I literally caught a cold, caught a chill from just freezing. Wow. You could have had like pneumonia or something. That would have been so crazy. Wow, do you think it affected, obviously affected your performance. So were you able to do the challenges? Like, were you able to?

Yeah, I did the challenges. I was actually okay with most of my performances. The acting ones, the acting challenges themselves, I did okay at. I was good at. No one would know because they didn't air them. Wait, why? They didn't air other people's acting challenges?

Yes. Oh, that's so weird. It was so weird. I wonder why. They just did little snippets. Like, they'd throw me in the middle, like, just doing a little snippet. And it wasn't the full story. And I competed in four acting challenges.

And out of the four, I went first. Because they had, like, I don't remember if it was straws, like drawing a straw or whatever. Who got the short straw? Me. So half of the time, out of the four, I went first twice. I went first for the first challenge with Tim Sullivan with the mirror, and when we're walking into a room and we're holding this like pentagon thing and a demon's coming out behind us. I went first on that and I don't remember. Mike, do you remember in the edit who they showed going first? They literally said like first up. Never. Jessica.

They always edit it for her to be like middle or last. Wow. I went first half of the time. That's a big thing. Going first is like a big part. Because like you have the least amount of time to prepare. You're at the biggest disadvantage because the other girls were watching all of the performances. So it gives them more time to think about

the choices they want to make, to get a feel for the scene, get more comfortable with the scene. And I did great. I went first each time and rocked it. I had a great time. There was a couple instances where it got a little funky. But even after the show aired, the judge, Tim Sullivan, the director, offered me a lead role in his horror film.

Wow. So you did kind of get something out of it. I turned it down. I was actually working auditioning kind of on another pilot for Nickelodeon at the time, and it was very family-friendly, so I didn't think it would be the right fit to, as we were leaning into this family-friendly,

to then do kind of this very gory horror film. And so and I also just wanted to give it a minute. I think it was just a lot. She did the scenes, but they edited it to look like she was just staring at camera. Oh, yeah. Sit down. Yeah. Oh, so the editing even back then, because you hear about that now.

Yeah. So they like piece together things that didn't happen to make it look like she wasn't doing anything. The whole show. They edited. What do you mean? Just like sitting now. Yeah. So they like pieced together things that didn't happen to make it look like she wasn't doing anything the whole show. They edited me. What do you mean? Just like sitting around? Yeah. Like I just froze all the time and I never did a challenge. Like I just stood there.

For example, there was this challenge where there's a big cauldron. I mean, girl, they would match these chairs, these big, beautiful chairs. They had a big old witch cauldron, you know, a jumbo sized one. And the challenge was we had five minutes to go change our clothes, wardrobe change. And they drove us in a van to a park where we were supposed to change out in public. There was no changing tents. You know, like when you go to sets, I've been on all sets. They got changing tents. They put up this janky screen thingy and people could just watch you change.

You could literally see families playing with their kids. And they have the girls stripping down their underwear like a chain. So they give you five minutes to change your outfit completely, develop a character, and it was a half scripted, half improv challenge. So they said you'd pick up the spell book and

half of it was scripted. The words were in there and then you would have to make up the end. And I was like, okay, cool. So I got an idea and I got up there cause I went first, which they didn't show. And I'm the first one to go up there. And I looked in the book and there's no words where there should have been. Right. Yeah. So I go, Hey, Hey, sorry, everybody. But, um, uh, I think there, I think we have the wrong prop book and then they go, okay, hold on, cut, cut, cut, hold on, hold on. Let's go check. So producers come out and check it and they're like, oh yeah, no, she's right. This is the wrong prop or whatever. So they bring out the hero book

and it was a smaller little corner. And I felt like I was kind of in the way cause the crew was, you know, moving around. And so I like turned over and I said like am I done now or can I sit down now I was asking like can I get out of the way while they reset right and that's what they used in the show oh my god they literally show me walking up there going am I? Or can I sit down? Going, hey, there's something, you know. And then going, can I sit down? That's how they cut me together. They didn't even. Did they show you doing the challenge then? Or that's it?

They just have you sitting down as if you didn't do the challenge? Literally, that's what they showed. Is that the episode you went home? Was that the second episode? Yeah, I should have gone home. I should have been there. Oh my god. And Jamie King, the actress, I remember when we were about to shoot this witch scene, she just turned to me and she said, I would never do what you're doing to get a role. Really?

Like just putting yourself through this? She said, this is crazy. Really? So she knew. Yeah. I mean, I agree. So what did they tell you then at the elimination? Did they tell you because like, were they like, you didn't do this challenge?

Did they make it seem like that? They said that I was holding back and I wasn't getting into it enough. And partially that is true. Not in my acting challenges. In my acting challenges, I did them. And I did them very well. There's one thing I'm confident and it's that I'm a good actress. I'm not the best in the world, but I'm good. And Tim Sullivan, the director- Offered you a part.

Wouldn't have offered me a lead role in his movie if I was this terrible actress who didn't perform. Right. The problem is you don't see me perform. Some people, yeah ever on that show. They think you're just like in the background. They literally took clips of when I was, for some scenes of when I was sitting there and they were telling me sound is messed up, so just wait a minute.

So I'm like looking at the ceiling waiting for sound. Oh my God. And they take that and they'll put cricket noises over me. Oh my God. Like I literally, like I, like it's so messed up and I've had to deal with the stigma of this show for over a decade. And thank God that production companies and businesses like Disney and Nickelodeon, NCIS, Food Network, all of these wonderful people gave me a shot after this show aired because it was awful

how they edited me together. They couldn't make me look like a bad person because I didn't talk badly about any of the other women. And you can watch all my interviews. I don't say one bad thing about any of the other women because that's not how I am. That's not how I roll. That's not how I play. I I'm there for my journey. I'll talk crap about myself when I mess up. I'll talk. And they guided me. They made me, they were like, can you say this? Can you say that? I just wanted to go home. So I said it. Yeah. You know, it's honestly, what did they have you say that you were like, maybe I wouldn't have said that about yourself. I think what I wanted to say, they couldn't air. So what I did want to say is that I love the acting challenges. What I didn't love was the acting, I'm going to put quotes, classes.

Because I don't want anyone to watch the show or even, because now they've put it on YouTube so people can now watch it and go back and watch it now. But I don't want anyone to watch that and be like, that's what an acting class is. I had all these moments where it was building of me feeling really uncomfortable and unsafe. And, but then when that acting class, the very first acting class with John Homa started, I just put up a wall. I think I went numb and I thought a lot about it over the years. And I think that it's because I grew up in a very violent environment. And just to clarify, not my immediate family and home, my mom and dad were wonderful and loving and they made our home like a safe place. Uh, but the neighborhood I grew up in, I was very poor

growing up. I grew up two blocks from the projects and it was very violent. Across the street, our neighbor ran a chop shop. They were always on drugs. The cops were always over. One of my neighborhood girlfriends got attacked in our front yard by this huge Rottweiler that our other neighbors were training to fight. And across the street, the other way, the two boys, the kids I grew up with, who are actually cousins of one of my good friends still today, we still hang out, joined a gang and was shot to death right there on the street. So I just, I've seen so much violence from a young age and have heard so much abuse. I just am sensitive to it.

And when it happens, I just, I'm not a psychologist. I've never been to therapy. Honestly, I should. Like, Trish, I should. Like, I probably should because it's. It's a lot to process. It's a lot. And I just get really sensitive.

I don't even like watching sports where two people are hurting each other. I don't like watching boxing and watching two guys beat the shit out of each other. Cause I saw enough of that when I was growing up that it hits me different. It's just not, uh, for me. And so when we entered that acting class, John Homa was yelling at us, screaming at us, verbally abusing us, threatening us. And he wanted us to smash this pumpkin to show rage. And he took a bat and he started wailing on this pumpkin and breaking stuff. And when you watch somebody lose their shit, like you watch somebody, you know, get angry and punch a hole in the wall. It affects you. And it made me just shut down.

And I, because that's how I deal with violence and trauma is I just go numb. So I didn't perform well in the acting classes. Yeah, it's not a scene he was doing. It's like this. I don't even think it was an acting class. I've been to acting classes for over 20 years and I have never had a teacher verbally abuse me and scream at me and yell at me. And he was saying it was to invoke emotion. And I just want to say that a good acting coach, if they notice that a technique is not working, if they notice that a technique is not working for an actress or an individual, like it's having the opposite effect.

Like they're shutting down. They're getting traumatized. Like it's not doing what it's supposed to. Maybe use a different technique. Yeah. That would be a good acting coach or a good director. director, and I've had the privilege of working with wonderful directors, like the best directors, where if they need something out of you, they can get it without being verbally abusive. Right. Or sneaking it on you like that, like any sort of scene like that, where it's not

a consensual thing, like I'm going to yell at you, I'm going to do this, like not telling you or asking your permission beforehand. It's like, that's not acting, that's not directing, that's not anything. No. He reminded me of an abusive ex-boyfriend that I dated. And his behavior was the same. And he was like, it's acting. It's not real. His being, he's just like a very hot-headed, angry guy. And so for him to jump to anger, it's so easy for him.

I don't think it's acting for him. I think it's just who he is um and i just don't appreciate being verbally abused they literally pulled her aside on camera and had him yell at her specifically whereas everyone else they had them partner with another actress because i think he didn't like how nice she was and was just verbally abusing her on camera wow and could see were you visibly uncomfortable at this point? Like how deep into it were you? Yeah, I was really uncomfortable.

It was hard for me not to cry because he was supposed to be teaching us how to play a villain or how to play a bad guy. And the secret with playing a villain is that one, you're multidimensional and two, you don't see yourself as a villain. You, you and villains have fun with it. He was not teaching me any of that. He was just verbally abusing me and yelling at me. And I was just trying not to break down. He was just trying to get a reaction out of me for camera, uh, just trying to break me. And you know, some,

some people do believe in like breaking an actress down and then rebuilding them. There was no rebuilding on this show. This was just for. Yeah. This is also like a reality show with new actresses that they don't know, that they haven't worked with. It's not something that's. Right. Did you, were you playing along with it or did you, you just shut down?

I shut down. I went numb because that's how I respond to abuse. I just go numb. And then that's when he's doing the one-on-one with you and no one's stopping it. How long did it go on for? No one stopped it. And they aired just a little snippet of it, but it just wouldn't end. And I think that they didn't like me.

They didn't like that I wasn't drama. I wasn't talking badly about the other girls. I was actually doing a lot of conflict resolution in the house. And I don't think that that was what they wanted. Um, and it almost felt like a punishment that I wasn't doing what they wanted in the interviews. So I was singled out and I had to go partner with John and just be screamed and yelled at. It was awful. And I didn't learn one thing that did not make me a better actress. It made me not want to act anymore because I thought in my head, is this what acting coaches are like in Hollywood? Like, is this what it's like? No, the answer is no, that is not normal. That is not okay. I've been to so many acting classes. I've worked with so

many coaches afterwards, including James Gunn's friend who are amazing and brilliant and supportive and helpful and pulled the best out of me and got me to a place where I'm booking gigs on NCIS. Like, that is, that's good coaching. And there's so many different techniques. There's, like, miser, there's method acting. Right. I couldn't tell you what John Homa's technique was, other than just being abusive.

A really great outlet for him to be entertaining and scream and yell at us and scare the shit out of us. The other girls would call it intense. That was the word they used. Oh, he's a really intense coach. I've had intense coaches. I grew up as an athlete. I did varsity soccer all four years of high school and varsity gymnastics went to state. I had intense coaches. That was not coaching. That was just verbal abuse. Absolutely. And even the class, the first class where they're smashing the pumpkins was like super physically dangerous. It was really dangerous.

And no one helped. There was no stunt. Was there a stunt coordinator? No. You'll have to remind me. I'm horrible with names. But one of the gals they showed my first. Her arm was already injured.

She already sprained her wrist. Wow. Like how do you injure yourself and all you've done is one acting challenge and in this class she's already injured. Wow. That's the other thing. Safety on set was nothing. There was no medical assistance. Sarah got hurt the very first day.

And so the second day you can see when we're in the first acting class. She has a bandage around her hand because she got hurt in the first acting class, she has a bandage around her hand because, yeah, she got hurt in the first. Wow. And then when they were smashing the pumpkin, they even show a clip of it. Like all the girls are sitting right at ground level where all the debris is like flying as they're hitting the pumpkin.

And literally they're trying to hide behind pillows because they're getting hit in the face. I was nervous because they had a tarp down because they didn't want to get the ground messy for us smashing these pumpkins. And it was really slippery because like pumpkin guts, you know, because we played with the pumpkins. They get like really slimy and slippery. And they didn't tell us like, hey, everyone wear tennis shoes, every or like put pads on our knees or something like that. I was in heels and jeans and trying to, and I was scared a girl would lose grip of the bat and it would hit us. I mean, there was no barrier. It was just, all these things were just really unsafe and they didn't need to be.

Right. And pick up the debris between each shot. So each girl went and it got messier and messier. It kept getting slipperier and slipperier. And there's no reason for that. They literally have smash rooms that you can go to to get rage out like why not go to a fun smash room would have been better yeah and they have uh eye you know protection when you go to a smash room so you don't get things in your eyes and they they just this is also a lionsgate film sponsoring

this like show like their production this is what do. They do resets all the time. That's, that's so insane. Was there, was there a psychologist? You said there was a psychologist at the beginning before you went in, were they on set with you guys as well? I'm not sure if one hung out. I'm trying to think, cause it was so long ago. I cannot remember because I did not check in with them. I remember just thinking I didn't feel safe. I didn't feel comfortable. I wanted to go home. I wasn't sleeping. We had no privacy going to the bathroom. So the loft was one big room for our bedroom where they had all 10 of our beds. And then the bathroom was in the same room. It was just one big open space where they had sinks, a tub, a shower, and a toilet. There's no door. There's no curtain. It was just open. So you would have to poop in

front of everyone. You'd have to shower in front of everyone. And I remember when we were coming back from the first acting challenge, we were walking back into the warehouse and fake house. That's wild. With no heat. So the house they show on the outside you guys never went in? No. I don't even know whose house that was. Never seen that house.

In the edit, if you look at the ceiling, it's literally like warehouse air conditioning, warehouse rafters. But they're showing some nice Mediterranean like Beverly Hills mansion. Yes. I remember those. They showed them on, like, Rock of Love and stuff.

And you're like, oh, that's such a nice house. And those girls got to stay in a house. They had the mansion with the stairs and the staircase and all the bedrooms. Yeah, every reality show is different. So that's why I really was confused because every reality show is different. They have different rules. But here we weren't allowed to go outside. There was no windows. So in the loft, so it was kind of, it was really disorienting because you never knew what time of day it was. We weren't allowed our phones. So we didn't know

what time it was. We weren't allowed phone calls. We weren't allowed to just go outside, get fresh air and exercise. Uh, for me, for my mental health, I like to go on a walk every day. I like to go on a walk or a jog and they didn't even bring in a treadmill. I tried nothing. So we aren't getting exercise. We can't read. We can't listen to music. Nothing we can do is to help us de-stress or refocus. It's designed that way to watch us lose it. It's not designed to help us as actors. But I'm surprised that this particular one, it makes sense with like Survivor, Big Brother, those kinds of things, because they don't want outside information, but it's not affecting your guys' act. Like an acting challenge, you're not going to, outside information won't affect

that. So it's odd they wouldn't let you communicate with your family. Like, yeah. Because like love is blind. They can communicate with their family. They can do all that stuff. So it's very interesting that they wouldn't let you. The whole thing sounds almost all psychological in a way. It was meant to be that way. You're in a warehouse. You have no privacy.

You're going to bed late. You're waking up early. Then on top of it, you have these not only men on camera, like the acting coach berating you, but then producers off camera. Was it a male asking you about your breasts? I can't even remember. So it's like literally I, it, there's so many things that I think my brain blocked out, blocked out cause they were so bad. And it's just not normal. I've, like I've said, I've been on so many sets in the last 15 years and nothing was as bad as this. And I was talking to Mike and I said, I might be being dramatic, but I would have rather gone to prison for two weeks than live in that warehouse again for two weeks. Because at least in prison, you get to go outside, you get

to exercise and you get a phone call. Yeah. Like, yeah. And there's so many shows where maybe even the conversations that you don't have are maybe they're not private. Like if I want to call my mom or, you know, maybe the conversation isn't private, but you can still check in with your family. I remember because we filmed over the holidays. We filmed over Thanksgiving and even into Christmas. Wow. And on Thanksgiving, they weren't filming that day. You know, crew got, I think, the day off. So they, I remember them releasing an article. They were like, oh,'t filming that day. You know, crew got, I think the day off. So they,

I remember them releasing an article where they were like, oh, we're so sweet. We let them watch movies all day. And we brought in a big Thanksgiving meal. And I'm like, you got Boston market and you weren't filming. So it's not like you were doing us a huge favor. Why do they do that? And that was the only meal meal we got. I mean, the rest of the time, if you wanted food, you had to write it on a board and wait for a PA, maybe, if they would go out and get it. And most of the time, they didn't. I remember one time for dinner, there was no food. I just had gummy bears. No way.

One time, I had Cheerios because there was nothing in the house. And it's non-union. But the bar is fully stocked. To drink. Yeah. Did a lot of girls do that? Were you guys, they encouraged it? They encouraged us to, and I did not.

I didn't participate because I was there to act. I was there to do the challenges. I was there to compete that way. And they just kept pushing us. They also wanted us for a shot for ratings to be in the hot tub in our bikinis. Wow. At no point were we wanted to go outside in the freezing cold and get in this lukewarm, inflatable hot tub. Where was it in relation to the warehouse?

Were you guys on the same outside? Same floor. And then you just walk out this door. There's curtains because there's no front door walk out the curtains and onto this little you know like a rooftop kind of thing that where they've laid down fake grass and this inflatable it looks like the cheapest set i haven't seen i don't remember i because i've re-watched parts of it i haven't seen they have it on youtube you should re-watch it and look at it knowing what it actually is i'm'm so going to. It stands out like a sore thumb. It's so, it's so bad.

I do remember season two being in general, a lot more like the girls wearing like sexier clothes and just being a lot more like sexual than the first, which is kind of odd, especially with the Saw movie. The horror girls aren't necessarily provocative and stuff like that. That's how they start the show is saying horror is mostly sexy and a little bit scared.

Like they said that, they said that like 10 times in the first episode. They kept drilling it into our heads. You need to be sexy and a little bit scared. They said that like 10 times in the first episode. They kept drilling it into our heads. You need to be sexy and terrified. It's sexy and fear. And then one of my friends on the show, Sierra, she was like, okay. So she heard be sexy, be sexy, be sexy.

So she kind of overdid the sexiness and then they berate her. Right. And I'm like, okay, so she's doing exactly what you've told them and you're berate her. Right. And I'm like, okay, so she's doing exactly what you've told them and you're berating her. So in my acting scenes, which you don't see, you see two seconds of Clippets.

What a bummer. I tried to pull back immensely because she was being berated for going too far sexy. So I was going more fearful and just trying to keep it grounded and realistic. Um, and the other thing with the bathrooms is when we were coming back in from the challenge, I saw video village, but we weren't supposed to see. And I knew that there was hidden cameras throughout the house. It's a reality show. Duh. I didn't expect there to be no cameras in the house. And then you have the live crew and you know, when they're there, cause they're alive because they're live.

They're right in front of you. But what I didn't expect, and made me feel really uncomfortable and so creepy, was because the bathroom was open, they had cameras on the shower and the toilet. And I said, this is weird. And I remember the producers saying, well, don't worry because we can't air it on VH1. We can't air you in the shower. We can't air you on the toilet pooping. So don't worry about it. I'm like, yeah, but your whole crew is watching. Wow. You vocalized it. So yeah, they were, the whole crew was, the crew could watch watch us shower the crew could watch us take a poop if you had to change a tampon there's no door there's so you know that reminds me of prison because in

prison cells that i've seen they have the bed and there's an open toilet there's no door you know it's open i and it's it's and you're all females like it's crazy and what does filming us taking a poop or showering how does that make us better actors no it's obviously there was obviously more to this than would ever be out there because i've never heard that ever but i guess you saw something that you weren't supposed to see i guess people maybe they do this now and people don't know i mean that's the thing with these i feel like in the contracts i don't know if you ever looked at yours but maybe it says like we can film anything and everything. Like you signed your life away

basically. Right. Yeah. It's just creepy because they presented the show as actresses doing acting challenges. Yeah. You're living together. There's a little drama. Um, but what I really think the show missed the mark is I love the premise and I love the people. I just wish that they would have done a totally different editing take because real drama occurred naturally when you have 10 women living together who all want the same role so badly. There was real fights that happened. There was real heart to hearts that happened that I found so much more genuine and they were real. I mean, it was gutting some of these things and that never saw the light of day. They wanted bikinis and drunk girls

and apparently to watch us shower. It just was so creepy and awful, and I didn't want to shower, and I eventually had to because I'm living there for over two weeks. So I did have to shower, but I didn't want to because there's no privacy. What did you do? Were you like,

did you just take a robe in with you? Just trying to cover yourself like all the time once you found out? Cause I don't think I could, once I found that out, I don't know if I couldn't even stay. I cannot remember if I had a swimsuit on or if I just did it. Cause I was like, it's time. Got a stinky butt. Time to wash this little butt. Time to go. What kept you there? What kept you there? I didn't want to be there anymore. I think I felt like I was trapped. Like I had signed a contract and there was no way to get out of it. And I didn't have a car, which is part of the reason they pick you up and drive you. So you don't have a vehicle to even get home. This is before Uber. You don't have your phone.

You don't have a way to get out you don't know where you're at you feel trapped yeah they should just film the saw movie right then yeah we could just film the saw movie there that's a real horror movie i mean that really is that's because it is one of those things it's like such a psychological torture all of it especially with people like the acting coach in charge like you know he's also the one doing this to you and like abusing you as if it's like a real life horror film as if this is like, it's very bizarre. It's very weird that they got away with it. Have you spoken with other girls from the show? Have they? Yeah, I kept in touch with a bunch of the girls after the show. We actually hung out a bunch for months and months

after the show. And then a handful of them went, went back home home they're from different states and a few are still uh acting in an entertainment today wow uh so that's really cool to see and i'm really proud of them and i feel like they did that despite of being on the show not because of it of course i really i and i try to find positive things in every experience um and the only positive thing is that I love the people. I know for a fact that I really love acting. And but I everything else was just traumatizing. And I think it did more damage than it did good. And for a long time, I thought, well, maybe I'm just not the best at competition

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Philanthropy. Philanthropy. Oh, philanthropy. You have chosen a more difficult to say word. It's like charity work. Yeah, like philanthropic. Like you help people. Okay, you got it.

You got it. I didn't know that until Mike said it because I was like, I know what you're saying, but I don't know. Just nod and smile. Just nod and smile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like a huge fan of all those

efforts. I thought it was so cool, like planting all the trees, the ocean cleanup. So when he reached out for me to be on Creator Games, I was on one, two, and three. The first two were digital because it was during COVID times. Oh, wow. Those two games, and I had a blast. I had so much fun, and then when I got invited to do the third one, it was at the SoFi Stadium. So it was the first one in person. And we did like a major hide and seek and challenge game. And it was over 24 hours. We were up for, I think I was up over 30 hours straight. I didn't sleep. Yeah. I think the challenge was around 24, but you know, you wake up before you're there. So yeah, we're all up for longer. Oh my straight yeah and i'm just confused what happened there again i didn't get involved in any of the drama

i didn't i was nice to everyone and they edited me out like midway through the video the thing that i didn't understand and i'm still confused today and it hurt my feelings is like when Mr. Beast talks about these creator games and challenges, he said, you know, it's all in good fun. Like audience, don't take it too serious. All of the money that's won is donated, you know, it's given away. So it's, we can just have some fun with it. And I was like, yeah, that's really cool. And so when it aired, when the video came out, my friends were like, what, what happened? Really? Because that you weren't in it. They had me get eliminated, like somewhere in the middle. And I was really proud of myself because I'm not mean and competitive. You know, I just go out there and do my best. And I actually

beat other creators who are super a lot of male creators who are super competitive they're very talented like these are big creators and so I was proud of myself that I had accomplished that and they edited me out somewhere in the middle when really I was top three wait and in the end they have like, top three is Larry and Logan Paul and Zach King. They weren't top three. I beat Logan Paul. What? Yeah.

So who are the top three with you? So it was really interesting. So when we did challenges, cut it down to I think 10 of us or something. Yeah, so they did all in one one day but he released his two videos so the first video you do all these challenges and if you win the challenge you go on to the next round which is the big hide and seek and so row one one of the challenges she beat out everybody so she made it to the hide and seek part so yeah i think they got rid of half i can't remember exactly i think it was they got rid of half in the first one and then the finalist there wasn't a lot of girls left did they reshoot this

stuff how are they editing you out when you're got so far do they like reshoot with logan i don't think so no no they basically it's just the way they edit it they because it's just a bunch of footage of people by themselves so you can kind of edit it in any order you want as long as you shoot around different people not being in the background when they shouldn't be to tell your story. And so on this one, they made it to where Logan was number two. And they said, oh, we found him one minute before we found Zach King, who did actually technically win. You can talk about that a little bit. But they're like, but no, they had found him hours ago.

And like Ro made it further than they showed in the edit. I was top three. So that was very confusing. So when I'm watching it, they had Logan, Zach King, and Larry be top three. But Larry fell asleep. So he was disqualified. Because one of the rules in the game was that every time Mr. B said to move locations, you had to move. And if you got caught in transition moving, then you're caught.

And you had to move or you're just disqualified. You couldn't stay. Because there's like six floors or seven or whatever. Of this huge stadium. And he was saying, okay, no one on floor seven anymore. So anyone on seven has to go down. Had to move down. So if you are on a high floor and you fell asleep, you get eliminated because you're not moving. Right. Wow. So I followed all the rules, good sportsmanship. I tried really hard, and I was top three. And so it was so weird to see the video, and they're like, oh, these three guys are top three. And I felt so like, what? Did you ask him? Did you email anybody about this?

Are you like, you should have at least said what happened. No, you know me, I don't say anything. I take all my feelings and I shove them down into my little toes and I never talk about it. And I have some whiskey and I move on. Speaking of whiskey, Logan, Paul and I, he was so sweet. I have to say that when we, we were doing the creator games together and work together, he was kind to everybody on set. Yeah, Logan's great. The whole crew, he introduced himself to everybody. He was friendly to everybody. He even took me aside and we did a shot of whiskey together. He had great sportsmanship. He didn't cheat. It was just really a pleasure to work with him. It was a great experience that way. And I didn't know what to expect. I had

never worked with him before and I was pleasantly surprised then. And I was, I don't want to say disappointed that nobody said like, hey, Ro made it to top three. What's going on publicly? Like no one said anything. But I also, it's not on them to

call somebody out or it's not. I just. Did they see they did other people see you or just the top three saw you obviously or like when people were eliminated were they sent home you could go home i think if you wanted to but a bunch of people hung around um like matt pat hung around because it was a long like i think the day went longer than anybody expected yeah yeah um they really did i will say as far as like the timing it took to find people, they didn't cheat that in any way. So like literally it went long and they just let it go long. They didn't try and like rush it.

So people are exhausted. Like hour 23, 24, 25, 26. Some people are like, I'm leaving. They just quit. Yeah. Oh, wow. So some people left, but Ro is very like, I agreed to do it. I'm going to help you.

And anytime we film with our friends, we do it for free. Like, she goes on Try Guys all the time. And we're like, don't even talk to us about money. We're not going to do it. We just want to support. And so the same thing with that. Like, Ro's going to be there until it's done. You guys are punctual, professional.

You guys show up to everything. Like, your own sets are like that. You're very that person. I love being on set. And I love creating things. I I'm just such a supporter and I am and I and I was so happy to be there and I was like just giving it my all and I was just so heartbroken when the video was released because it made me feel like I wasn't good enough I understand you know like Logan has such a huge following and he's literally a professional wrestler and that like I get it, but it just made me feel like that you're not enough.

And it's it just it didn't feel good. Yeah, it really. So it's very disrespectful. It's very disrespectful. It's very disrespectful. Especially when he just says that it's all in good fun and it doesn't matter who wins because it's all going to be donated and given away. Like, why would you edit me out? And I beat Logan Paul. I survived hide and seek longer. And he even said something cute, like, you're never going to find Ro. She's so small. This place is so big. Like, she's the one to beat. Yeah.

And I'm good at hide and seek. That's my game. I'm good at it. And what a story. You know, you're this tiny girl, and nobody would expect it. And I think just in general, like, equality, gender equality, yes, if it naturally didn't happen where three guys win, that's one thing. But there's a woman who beat out Logan Paul, who is a crazy athlete and amazing. And I think that alone is such a story.

I was just so proud of myself. And I told my mom, I was like, Mom, you won't believe it. Like, how did this happen? I was so excited. And then when the video came out, I just felt so low. I felt, oh my God. I think it's similar to the same thing on Scream Queens is like with producers, they are bad at telling a different story than the one they already want. And so it's just bad producing.

When the story that actually happened is better than what they produced. Yeah, pretty much. It was so weird. And a little tea about the winner. So Zach King won. And we love Zach. And a little tea about the winner. So Zach King won. And we love Zach. And I love Zach. We love him. Full disclosure.

You love all the people on the show. I love him. And he's got the cutest little babies. And I have a soft spot. But we signed a contract with the stadium and YouTube saying that if you're going to hide, hide and seek, you had to hide in places that were safe and plain sight. Easily accessible.

They said, for example, in the lounge, they have couches, you know, like you can't take a knife and cut open the couch and climb in there. Like that one episode of Sunny in Philadelphia with Danny DeVito when he's like hiding in the couch. And they even gave an example on the document. I remember it's so clear that said on the field, there's like a two foot tall fence to separate the field and where the coaches or whatever would be. And they were literally like, don't even's like a two foot tall fence to separate the field and where the coaches or whatever would be and they were literally like don't even jump over this two foot

tall fence you have to walk around it for safe like and i remember that so clearly it's just calling out this little fence that like wouldn't keep a chihuahua right like and they're like don't so the rules were very like be safe don't do anything weird don't damage the property they said don't go into the air ventilation. Like, don't go in the ceiling. And so I didn't. You know, I'm going to follow the rules because this is a game. So it's not fun.

It's not fun if people are cheating. Yeah. And so Zach King, his final spot was in the ceilings. Where they said not to go. Where they said not to go. And it did a ton of damage. And there was ceiling droppings all over the floor from where he had climbed around. And MatPat was literally like, I think he's got to be here because look at all this damage. And I did see two maintenance workers working in one of the lounges.

So I said, you know what? I did see some maintenance guys. Maybe they're working on the ceiling. And he was like, I just don't think so. And Matt was right. I mean, Zach had gone in the ceiling. So technically, that was cheating in our contract. Yeah, Rose should have gotten second.

Yeah, I would have gotten second. Larry fell asleep. Zach went in the ceiling. And then the one guy I think did beat you. Ducky. What is his name? Why do I call him Ducky? Ducky.

Ducky. Who's Ducky Why do I call him Ducky? Ducky Who's Ducky? I'm going to look up his name really quick In my defense we've never hung out before so that was the first time I was meeting him and I don't think I remembered his name correctly Ducky

I'm going to look it up because they only put that poor man in the video for like two seconds so he probably got done dirty too wait really? but he was like top four with you guys? uh he was I think he got third in the edit I'm trying to remember quackity

thank you Michael same family what a great name what's quackity do i wonder on youtube i don't know him i know isn't that cute i love it i love these names name ever yeah people come up with really creative creative names yeah i'll have to lay it out i'm gonna draw it out trisha because i'm gonna get it like i'm gonna draw it out so you can see you never you never said anything where you're just like i don't't want drama. I don't want, I mean, it's not drama. I think what's important to me is being easy to work with, being fun to work with, and friendships. And I think I value those things so much.

I value them more than sometimes my own well-being. Yeah. And I've had a habit over the years, and I've kind of mentioned it to you, like in the first act of my life, it's hard being young because you're learning your boundaries, you're learning who you are, you're learning what you want to be. And there's a lot of trial and error. And I feel like I really want to be a good person, like a good friend. I want to be a good like coworker. And so I will, I realized in the first act of my life, I would just eat it. Cause it's easier for you to be the, like, I'm easygoing and that's what people know you as. Cause I didn't want people to be mad at me and I didn't want people to dislike me, um, by being honest. Yeah. But I don't think it's helping anyone to like lie about it

i don't think that it's helping anybody and it's dealing with the backlash too like you know she was an unknown actress what are you gonna do go up against a huge production company and mr beast is the same way if you have a bad experience everyone just says well you're jealous or oh this or oh that or don't do it yeah and then you can immediately have a hundred million people harassing you all of a sudden. Yeah, you can be like cyber bullied if I say anything that's not positive about Mr. Beast. I, I just, I, I already take so much privately that taking it also publicly, it's just a lot. Too much. It's a lot of crap to take that I shouldn't have to.

Yep. Um, and that's when I actually stopped watching Mr. Beast content because he always in interviews says the thing about him is he keeps it real. Like he really, you know, gives away these cars. He really gives away all this money. It's real. It's real. It's real. It wasn't real. I was top three and he edited it to be all men. It was, I just can't, I don't fathom it. I don't understand why. I don't understand why. All I know is that it felt awful. And it's not even popularity. You're up there. I don't, I mean, I don't, I truly don't know the other two. I know Logan. I don't know the other two. So, I mean, you two. So you're one of the biggest. You're mainstream.

You have, what, like 15 million subscribers or maybe more. And so it's not a popularity thing. And even if that's the case, you think they would let you know in some way? I don't know. It's just scary. And they never reached out to you? No. No one told you this is the edit?

No. And it's just not very genuine. So if it isn't genuine, being front about that is the way to go but he's saying that it is genuine and that's not what happened and now i'm like oh and you and something that you just put so much of your time in like you said you're not like getting paid to do this you're not whatever you're like putting time into it i show up because i'm excited for another creator i want to support them i put my all into it. And then you just feel like crapped on and you feel like, yeah, I feel like, um, I don't like, I don't try to

compare myself to other creators. I really, um, when I was a gymnast, I kind of got in this mindset where you're on a team, but you're by yourself. Like when you compete, you're by yourself. So I'm always pushing myself to be my best self. And I'm not worried about what other people are doing around me, how they're performing, because their performance does not affect my performance. And if someone genuinely beats me, beats my score, because they killed it, then good for them. They killed it. I know that on my best day, when I'm shining 10 out of 10, I'm going to kill it. So it's weird that I don't feel competitive with other people. I don't feel, and I just feel like there was like a ranking order.

And that just feels like crap. Yeah, like you weren't good enough for whatever reason, which doesn't make sense at all logistically. As far as followers, as far as what you actually did, your endurance, like that's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard, especially with such a big creator. Especially with another YouTube creator. Lionsgate's one thing to do it to a small actress, but creator to creator, it's very

bizarre. It was really weird. Do people ever ask you about it? Like, oh, obviously you've done so much with Mr. Beast. Like, your fans ever ask you? Well, I've always been obviously you've done so much with Mr. Beast. Do your fans ever ask you? Well, I've always been supportive. I'm still supportive. When he launched the chocolate bars and all the other projects, even releasing those gummies, Mike. Because I genuinely like supporting people.

I just don't understand why the support doesn't come back. And like also. Why are you? It just feels icky and it kind of felt like a boys club. Very much. I mean it is. That's what it was. I haven't been around another creator that made me feel like it was a boys club.

And then I wasn't welcome. And Mr. Beast of all people. If Logan is like, you know, you would think that about Logan or Jake, but like Mr. Beast who's supposed to be family friendly and also just very open for everyone. Like that's the most shocking and, yeah, be the most hurtful thing. Yeah. Because you think he's not like that.

I'm so sorry. I really don't even know. It's just so weird. I mean, it's something that is still affecting you. I mean, both of these things, you know, it's like it still affects you as much as you can go about your life and you do. You know, you're always very happy and upbeat. I mean, this is something that's – will it happen again? You know, you put yourself out there for someone else and it like keeps happening.

It keeps happening. What do you do, you know, to stop it or other people to stop it? It's just not – it's just not fair. It's not right. And it happens. And misogyny it's just not it's just not fair it's not right and it happens and misogyny is so I used to not think of it I used to be like you know what no it's not it's 2023 women are treated the same but they're just not and even someone at your level with your all your credentials all your fame and following if that's happening to you you know it's happening to so many other people creators and non-creators and just women

in general. And I think I'm tired of being quiet about it because I think that's how it continues. Yeah. I think that people keep treating people poorly because they aren't speaking up and addressing it and saying something. And I think it's important to be open and honest about your experiences. And I don't ever want to like say things to hurt people. That's never my intention. I want to be truthful in my experiences and be honest when I get hurt. And I just, I've, I have not done that for years and years. And it's just taken a toll on me, I think. Ugh, woof. No, when you speak, and I mean this just genuinely and like sincerely,

when you do speak about things, people listen to you because you're not drama. You've never been someone to just talk about random people or take little events, you know? So I think your voice is 10 times more powerful than most people's because you don't speak up on too many things. So when you do speak, it's like, whoa, this is real, you know? Yeah. And I know there's other instances in the past too where you've spoken up on other people's behalf and then people are finally like, oh no, this is the truth because Ro never speaks

up and she's speaking up about this. So I think your voice is one of the most important ones because of that. Especially with stuff like this and the way you talk about it, it's not negative. You still have so much love for like Mr. Beast and all these people and even the Lionsgate, the Scream Queens and stuff like that. So it comes out of a place of like truly just like the way you speak and the way you deliver this message is like people listen. You know, it's not emotional. It's not coming from. Yeah, it's not emotional. It's not coming from. Yeah. It's not coming from like trying to hurt someone. It's just expressing my experience and like how

it made me feel. And I didn't really, I've never done that. It's so important. And it's so, I'm almost in shock. I'm just like in shock after all this, because I see you as someone who's just, everyone's just like that you're in charge of everything, that you're in control of everything and to be so out of control of this and in these situations. And I don't know, it just makes me feel some type of way because if this is happening to you, like, of course it's going to happen to a lot of other women and it really sucks. And it's taken you, you're 38 and it's like, you're, you know, you're just talking about this stuff now for the first time. And yeah. And unfortunately it's just, when does it change? How does it change? You know, what is, that's like the answers I never know.

Yeah. I feel like talking about it definitely helps. And I really hope that people understand that I've been asked these questions for so long and I've just held it in. Because even my girlfriends, they were like, I thought you got third place at the creator games because I texted them. Oh, my gosh. I was out of my mind. I hadn't slept in like 30 hours. I was like, you guys, guess what I did? I didn't win, but. And so when it came out, they were like, what the F? Like, why weren't you top three? And I was like, I don't, I genuinely don't know. You just let it go?

You just were like, I can't do anything about it? I would have. I would have had to say something. I mean, now you are, but. What did you say, Mike, when that happened? Because, man, you know, like, you were very sweet. But, you know, Mike is very your person. He helps you schedule things.

And he's very. Yeah, it's just tough. I think it's really upsetting because you're just helping your friend. Like, all Ro cares about is being people's friend. That's literally all she wants to do. And so I think it hits extra hard when it's like you're doing people a favor you're going all in and they can't even just treat you with like the basic respect of like this is what you did and we're gonna show it and yeah add some transitions add some text add some explosions add whatever to make it interesting yeah but be a good enough producer to make the story that

happened interesting right that that's the part that is just constantly frustrating for me is that I recognize Rose Talent, like, after hanging out with her for two days. I was like, you are going to be huge on YouTube. You need to do YouTube. Like, I don't see how people don't see that. And it still is so shocking to me, like, how people treat her. And whether it's producers, editors, writers, like her and whether it's producers editors writers like directors it's like I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because it's like it's so obvious to me

and so that's a big reason that we're building our own film studio at our house is because we can be in full control of everything and we don't have to rely on people's what their ideas are of a good story yeah we can tell our own stories and that's yeah it more instead of us like me calling the producer and yelling at them i think it's more productive to be like we're never going to be in that situation again and we're going to build a better future and they don't deserve you like that's that's truly how like this is only like the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg of stuff ro has been through oh my gosh i have so many stories let me come back sometime we have uh so much record like we talk about record deals i'm like why don't you have a record

deal you know what i mean that music industry is a whole other thing and it is amazing it is amazing that you stay so positive and like optimistic because I've been beaten down from things, but yours are, it is another level. It's another level where nobody would know because you are just so happy, so optimistic. You keep going. And that's remarkable. And how you do it without ever going to therapy is, I don't know, a testament to your mental health.

But I'm glad you're speaking, but I'm glad you're speaking up. I'm glad you're saying something because that's, again, people listen when it's you and you have such a big voice and those stories, those stories you tell are just so much more interesting than the stories that they produced. And I don't know. I just, I mean, you're, you're the, you're the it girl. You've been the it girl for so long. These guys, these productions, they don't see it. Like, I told Moses the first time I met you, I was so nervous. I was so in awe. I was like, oh, my God.

Like, you don't understand. Like, she's – you have hundreds – 200 million views on some videos. The Nerdy Nummies was life-changing, you know. That was the – that changed YouTube. You got so many views. The most viewed – well, I read somewhere you were, like Forbes or like the top paid YouTube or like it was insane. You're you changed social media in so many ways with your production quality and everything. So it shocks me to hear all this.

And a big part of it, too. And like we we've pitched like when we first started on YouTube, we were pitching a lot of shows to different production companies. And we always told them we want a positive, like it can be a competition food show, but make it positive and fun and lighthearted. Tell cool stories. Get like, literally we got laughed at, like literally laughed out of every single meeting where they literally would be like, oh no, we just signed with this person who's super trashy. And like, they've been to jail 10 times. And like, do you have anything like they live this is a conversation that literally happened and then and that's like that's what we've wanted to make forever and then

thank god finally uh great british baking show came to america and everyone's like oh my god we love it it's positive and fun and lightheart it's like we literally have been trying yeah so thank god for them at least to show like you don't have to be vile. You don't have to tell lies. Like just make a fun heartfelt story. People want that. And I feel like with your stuff too like Bakedopia and even the Hollywood, the Halloween cookie

challenges. I'm just like that's what people want to watch like light heartedness because the world is so chaotic and so drama and crazy. It's like no one wants to watch it. And even Bakedopia they wanted Ro to be mean to like everybody. What really? And we're just like guys you don't, it's bakers making cookies and they're and crazy. It's like no one wants to watch it. And even Big Topia, they wanted Ro to be mean to like everybody. What? Really? And we're just like, guys, you don't, it's bakers making cookies and they're like cupcakes.

Like why am I going to yell at someone who's making a cupcake? Like give me a break. Oh my gosh. Did you guys, did you guys create that show, the Big Topia? Or were you just like a producer on it? I was an executive producer and it was a spinoff show, a sister show of Craftopia, which, uh, Laura DIY, uh, hosted, uh, uh, with the same production company. And then they wanted to make a baking version and brought me in on it. And, uh, I got to do a lot of the creative. I fought for a lot of things

that they didn't have to have some more variety and move it into the 21st century. What century are we in? What century are we in? Is it 21st or 20th? 20th century. Is it 21st century? Yeah. I was like, you know what? Let's do a challenge where they have to make a vegan cake.

And they were like, just one. And they were like, what? That took a month of convincing. And I'm like, a lot of people eat vegan. Just try it. Just one challenge. One. Oh, wow.

Which, to be fair, that show was awesome. It was awesome. And they finally loved it. I don't mean it in a bad way. But it's just like. They were great. Yeah. It's just like, no, you can be positive and fun.

And they let her be positive and fun. But they were pitching at first. Like, well, you got to be the mean judge. Literally, for the record, every show i have ever been on other than scream queens has been a delight yeah even glee it was a little wild but i still had a great time um but everyone was like professional and respectful and i felt safe and you know when you feel safe and you feel like you're you a professional environment, you can really have fun and you can really get into stuff when you feel that support.

It's really hard to do that when you feel unsafe. Yeah, it's a magical thing. I think it's like, that's why I hate that people, but it's also real because reality shows still do this. Like Love is Blind is being sued for starving their people allegedly and all this stuff that happens with that. So it's a very real thing. But it can be amazing and fun.

That's why we're still here in L.A. That's why I do what you do because it's still fun. Like NCIS is amazing. Like the fact that seeing a YouTuber do stuff like that. Are you with an agency now? I am. I'm with WME. Oh my.

The biggest. That's so huge. Oh my gosh. I have been with them for 10 years now. No way. So that's how you get these jobs. This is our 10-year anniversary. And she just signed with 3Arts, too.

And I just signed with 3Arts Management, which has a lot of comedians. Wow. We're working on a lot of projects right now that are in the works. Oh, my gosh. Are you going to do more TV? Yeah, I do. I think more TV and also maybe something musical. I'm not quite sure what I want to do,

but I love singing. And I decided in this second act of life, this next chunk from 30 to 60, I just want to perform more and have more fun. And I also want to stand up for myself more. I think I want to, if I'm being mistreated or something really hurts my feelings, I want to be confident enough and courageous enough, brave enough to say that it does. Even if it's difficult, even in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, I shouldn't speak up because I want people to like me and not be mad at me. I think that it's important as a woman in entertainment to be honest about your experiences, because if you aren't, that kind of behavior continues and will keep going underneath the radar. And that treatment is just going to perpetuate it. There's

no stopping it if you don't address it. And may risk losing work but you know my my advice to any production companies don't be gross yeah don't be gross i think it's easy i'm so easy going it's like it's just bad production like don't be all that stuff you don't have to do if you go on naked and afraid you're you're signing up for like a horrible experience but like a dating show or like a competition show that's just bad producing you don't know how to get good stories especially a light hearted one Mr. Beast is not about like drama or anything that's very odd

it's very bizarre well at least you're going back into like doing it yourself and creating your own stuff because that's where I think you flourish the stuff that you guys do your production quality of just like your YouTube videos like the one we did, it was amazing. Like you guys have – Trish is so sweet.

I told Moses like set and crew and production. I was just like, wow, this is – it was amazing. I mean you had a reset crew on your YouTube video and they couldn't even do that at Scream Queens. You know what I mean? Each one. We did pick up pumpkins faster than they did. Yes.

Every shot was like cleaning out pumpkins. I was like, wow, it was so impressive. And the fact that you're building your own kitchen now and doing, but I love the idea of you singing. I think, would you ever do like Broadway? Yeah. That's where I think you need to go. There's, oh my gosh. I miss it. I really just, I love performing. I, I, there's something about it that's really magical. It kind of reminds me just of my dad. Like He loved music and he loved watching me perform. And that's something we used to do together. He used to play guitar and I would sing.

And that's just how we hung out, how we bonded. So I feel like whenever I'm performing or I'm doing something musical, I just kind of like feel him with me. And it feels really good. So I think we'll keep messing around with that. And I started a comedy school. Wait, what? I'm taking improv and I'm like a performance in a few weeks no wait wait oh my god can people come can we come watch it oh my gosh yes and I'm gonna I'm gonna write I think my first stand-up maybe I'm debating I think I'm going to though and I'm gonna invite you to come oh I love stand-up stand-up is wild stand-up is wild. Stand-up is difficult, but how amazing.

You'd be so good. I have so many embarrassing stories, and my humor is very self-deprecating, so I don't mind sharing all of them, and I think it's just going to be a different side of me that I get to let out into the world. I think that's going to feel really good. It's almost therapeutic, too, because you have so many of these stories and you tell it with a smile, but you can tell it and people can laugh with you. And pain is sometimes

funny, you know what I mean, when you can make it funny. I got a lot of that. I got a lot of that. Where you can like laugh at it and make it turn around. I think that's the way to deal with it. I didn't tell you this before we started filming, but my sister says hi. Oh, I thought maybe she'd come. She wanted to, but she's running

everything today. She's literally holding down the fort and running everything. But she was like, tell her I said hi. My sister adores Trish. I love her so much. She said you guys hung out one time at a birthday party and she was like, I love her.

Oh my gosh. The minute we met, because Malibu and Graham are like literally a month apart and so like the minute we met, she was the one person we knew at the well, we didn't even know but she's the one person that we talked to at the party. She like came up and was like, how old? She's amazing. She told me, she said you tell her I said hi. I said

okay. You guys are great together. Did you guys have a show on Food Network? Was it Ro and Mo on Food Network or was it? We did like these two hour long specials way back in the day on Food Network's cooking channel. And it was like Ro's Tasty Treats where we did one for October, like Halloween. And then we did one for Christmas. And it was really fun. And they offered us a show afterwards because it performed well.

Yeah, the timing just wasn't right for us. The timing wasn't great for us. We hadn't figured out our system yet. So we were. We didn't have enough manpower to continue creating YouTube videos and do a TV show. Right. Without skipping a beat. So I needed some time.

But now we have the team. We have the system where I can do tons of other projects and continue to do YouTube at the same time. So now it's different, but I was not ready. And YouTube, I mean, back in the day, you could make so much money off YouTube. So like monetarily speaking, it made sense to stay on it. But I love that you're going to write it because there's so many ups and downs with YouTube. Mine too. And I feel like you just write it.

You're sticking with it. And I love it. I say the same thing. My main channel gets like 10,000 views. I'm like, but I love it. And I'll probably stick with it forever. Like, I don't understand. I'll be a grandma, literally Betty White age. I'll be in my third act or my encore still making grandma cookies. Scooping out pumpkins, testing out products, which I think would be so great. But you did talk about doing a podcast. You said, are you going to still do that? Because to me, I think that is kind of the wave of YouTube.

That's why I started this. Everyone's doing it. Yeah. But you talk in real life more than, and in podcasts, more than anyone I know, which is, but you're so entertaining. Like some people talk and talk and talk and you're just like, oh my God. But you just are so captivating, so entertaining. You talk to anyone and everybody.

You're the person at a party. Well, you'll talk to like literally every single person, which is like amazing. It's such a gift. And so podcasting is your calling. Are you going to do it around like would you do gas, baking? I just got so many ideas. So when we're done with the film studio, I think it will finish around Christmas. I think then we're going to start developing some ideas.

I want to interview people. I think that would be so fun, Mike, and hang out with people. We have like three ideas that we're really excited about. So maybe we'll do them all. Yeah. I'm not sure what. First, Mike, and hang out with people. We have like three ideas that we're really excited about, so maybe we'll do them all. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure what. First, I was going to tell you, I think, did I tell you the first time I ran into you and I was too scared to say hi because I looked ridiculous?

Wait, where? Okay, so my sister was pregnant and she wanted to do this challenge where I was pregnant for 24 hours, so she bought me this like silicone. Oh my God, I forgot about this. Mike, Mike, you remember? I know these challenges. No, we never told you this at all. No.

This is before I kind of like met you a little bit through Joey, like at Joey's parties. We bumped into each other a little bit at Joey's. This was way before that. Wait, really? So I had this like big silicone fake pregnancy belly on and we were like going around like running errands and I'm with my sister and then we were at the Grove. That's Mike. What? We were at the Grove. That's Mike. We were at the Grove, right? Yeah. We were at the Grove

and we were shooting around there and I saw you and I was like, Mike, that's Trish. And I was like, should I go say... And you kind of looked like in a hurry. I don't know what it was. You did look like you were in a hurry. I went across the street so I was always like running. That's what it felt like. Like you were just like zooming through. I got scared. I got scared to go out by myself.

I'm very like, yeah. You were booking it. That's so funny. And I was like, like, should I go say hi? And he goes, look at you. And I was like, oh, yeah. So because I have this huge belly. And I'm like, I don't want the first time me introducing myself to you to be, oh, sorry,

little hand. I mean, like, I'm in a fake pregnancy belly. I was chasing you. 24 hours. I would have loved that. That would have been everything. That was the first time. And I was just dying.

Oh, my God. That's so funny. I love it. I love that I was at the Grove. I would have loved it. Because you, especially in that era, you were the queen of YouTube. You are the queen of YouTube. Oh, that's sweet. When you look at anything, the views, the production quality, everything you did,

I was just like, wow, that's like amazing. Like I always thought that I always thought that about you. I always thought like your content was like so superior. I always thought you were too. And, and you have such a wholesome vibe. So you think what I didn't know about you, which you shared earlier, you know, the way you grew up and stuff like that. So in my head, I think of you as like, oh, you're wholesome. You're very, just like keep with your circle of you, which you shared earlier, you know, the way you grew up and stuff like that. So in my head, I think of you as, like, oh, you're wholesome. You're very just, like, keep with your circle of friends. But you're very open-minded. And you talked about this with just friends and stuff like that.

You're like, I'm actually very open-minded. If people tell me something, I'm not – I'm the last person to judge. Which is, like, not my perception of you just from YouTube. You know, I was like, wow, she's in this elite group of YouTube. And, you know, they probably don't want to talk to me and stuff like that. So you're very – Not at all. You're very open-minded and Rose very like forgiving too

if people are honest and very honest like when they were trying to cancel James Gunn for like a 10 year old tweet and everyone was turning on him like the first thing Rose did was text him 20 seconds after she read the article and was like this is all bull like yeah it's gonna come back around and you're gonna be fine and now he's running's running DC. So he's, you know, like. Isn't it amazing? Because people love to jump on things, but. Yeah, the 10-year-old tweet things and stuff like that. It's like, okay, God, people are great.

It's like 10 years ago, things were so different. You know what I mean? Like, there's reasons to be canceled. And then there's, like, silly things like that, which is. And it's just, like, people are human. Like, people make mistakes. There's so many mistakes I made growing up that, you know, I and it's weird because when you're growing up with technology, I feel so bad for kids and like youth growing up now, because if they post everything, they just all the mistakes are so public that, you know, you're supposed to learn from your mistakes. That's how you grow as a person.

But if you're just being ridiculed, then it's like, how do you grow? Yeah. Or when you do change and people don't want to see it, they're like, well, you're still this person from 10 years ago or even three years ago. And it like discourages people from changing. And yeah, like you said, social media, oh my God, if I would have had it like 16, you know, it would have been like way worse. So these people making mistakes, these young kids, it's like, it's out there forever and

people hold it against them. It's silly. And I love how brave you are. I like, I think it's so brave of you to just like, say how you feel and speak your mind. And I've had something that I really admire. And I think I want to do more of in my life. And I, because all of my thoughts, I don't think that I'm a mean person. I, and I don't think that things are, like, unreasonable the way I think about things. So I don't know why I haven't been more vocal publicly versus just privately. You know, when I hang out with my friends, like, when we hung out even at my house, you know,

and we would, you know, talk about what happened, like, with Colleen and stuff. Like, I just don't talk about things publicly I I just talk to people privately you know because I value people as human beings and I and I don't ever want to like upset people and hurt people so I think there's a balance I think I've definitely over shared and quickly overexposed and I'm very like irrational sometimes. Sometimes my feelings and emotions, like they're heightened and I do it at the height. And so, you know, sometimes I need to take like a breather and like think about the situation. I think there's like times and places and all that stuff to say it.

We can balance each other. Yeah, you are. You do it phenomenally. You can take it down a step and I need to take it up a step. Right? Yes. Yes. It's called balance.

I think you're the perfect balance right now. You're what I aspire to be for sure because that's the balance. Because you say it again with like such class. You're not saying it angry. You're not saying it like accusatory. Like you just say your experience. And I mean that's all there is too. I think when you can just say facts and your experience and it's not like two emotions getting into it.

I think that's when people listen. i think that's that's what inspires me it's like you know i need to do that because pick and choose what where you want to like say things and stuff but things that bother you you should say yeah that is great advice my dad used to say that he used to say choose your battles don't sweat the small stuff right um like small bad things that happen to you they happen to all of us. He said, try not to let those get to you. But if there's a big thing that happens and it really affects you, that's when you should speak up, say something. And that's when you say, I'm not taking this anymore. And that's what I am going to start doing in my life moving forward. I think that that is who I want to become.

And because I just don't want to be a doormat. I'm so sick of being a punching bag. And I'm really tired of like my kindness just being taken advantage of. And just people treating me poorly because they can. Yeah. I think that needs to stop. I don't think that's good for my mental health. And I think you're doing the right stuff for it because, yeah, then people take advantage of more than just the edit.

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It's hard because we're similar in that way. We're just different in our approaches, but I'm very much the same. I'm very much like I don't want to like stir a feather, especially now. You know, you're very much like I don't want to do it. But then there's a time where you're just like, OK, but like I'm I'm going to stand up for guys. There was always guys expressing their opinion, working with writers and expressing how they feel about different topics and subjects. And I just really didn't see a lot of women expressing their thoughts and feelings. And I think that's what is really lacking. And I was telling you about that podcast.

I know this is the old lady podcast that I was listening to. What's it called? Do you know? It's called Wiser Than Me. I love it. I'm going to listen to it.? It's called Wiser Than Me. I love it. I'm going to listen to it. And it's Julia by Julia. Louis Dreyfus.

Louis Dreyfus. Yes. Love her. And she's interviewing women who are older than her and wiser than her in entertainment and just the stories that they tell, like Jane Fonda and Rhea Perlman. Oh, I love it. Her interview is wonderful. I learned so much.

And I just, I don't think we hear enough from women in entertainment about their experiences. Well, even YouTube, it's still like the top YouTubers is like over 90% male. Is it really? Yeah, it's still a male-dominated. There's females who are successful, but it's, you know, it's still, as is tradition, still male-dominated. That's crazy to me that is who i wonder who is like the top females like right who ranks up there i can't even think of anyone right now which is like really sad we were doing a girl love podcast like no podcast a girl

love panel at vidcon many years ago and i remember at the time out of the top 100 youtube channels i think only five of them were female no five females out of top 100 um so i was encouraging women to like support each other and like even if you guys make totally different types of content you know women supporting women are just like you know i don't know support is just because it's, it's tough. Entertainment is a tough space. And I'm really proud. I've been watching like a lot of women developing their own production companies like Mindy Keeling and Reese Witherspoon, her Hello Sunshine. We've been taking a lot of meetings and trying to just be really supportive of women producing and women creating content because we just weren't allowed to for so many years. It's important too. And I feel like women would feel like in competition or like back in the day, like in the 2010s, like the screen

queens and stuff like that, they thought like, you know, there's not enough room for everyone. So I feel like women in general were like more competitive and didn't want to like help others out or something like that. Because what's bizarre is like YouTube audience is mostly female. Like in general, like the people who consume things and watch things, it's like very female based. So it is kind of bizarre. But I think for so long people didn't want other females to get ahead. And I think we're seeing like kind of like the end of that.

Like you said, now there's like more women helping women. And I think it's important. And I think it's important to be loud about it because like the Mr. B situation, it still happens intentionally or unintentionally, but this one maybe intentionally where it's important to be loud about it because like the Mr. B situation, it still happens intentionally or unintentionally, but this one may be intentionally where it's male dominant. And that's why they cut women out or they don't want women involved. And yeah, that's why it's important to like podcasting. There's so many men podcasters and you know, so I think it's just like very important for like women to have a voice, but you get just seen as like drama and you know,

you say something and you're considered drama or crazy or something like that. So women are scared of it. And it's hard to say like when there's a top creator and they make you feel like you're unwanted. Um, it's hard to just say that because they, they are so big and comparing it, it can feel like you're very small. And I've always been very small, so I should be used to this feeling. But it just, God. Yeah. I struggle with it too. I struggle with it too. I always feel like my popularity on YouTube has always been when I'm with like a guy like Shane or David or, you know, any of those things. Like I just, I feel that and it like, God, it's like when I'm just by myself, like no one cares as much. And I do think, like I said, I think it's changing, especially now this era of

gestational. It's like, I do think it's changing where people, yeah, they just want, and I love, I love going on female podcasts. Like this whole year I've only done female podcasts, like Julia Fox, Megan Traynor, like, and I just love it. I'm just like, this feels better. The vibes feel better because anytime I've been paired with a guy, like, yeah, I'm used as, like, a punching bag. And then you just start thinking, like, that's your character or that's who you are or that's all you're good for.

And I'm 35 and I still struggle with it. I'm like, well, maybe I was just supposed to be, like, this dumb character. You know what I mean? And you kind of revert back to it. And I always just thought I needed to be, like, next to someone to, like, feel validated. But, like, girls can do it on their own. And I don't know, just my friendship with you, too, and your sister and stuff. It's been so. I love it. It's been amazing. I've been like, wow, wow. Like I really, I held back for so long talking to people or

reaching out to people because I just thought, well, they probably wouldn't like me or they're probably, you know, they're probably, I don't know. You just think, you know, these misconceptions about people. It's like. I always assume everyone is busy because I just know how much work it is to run a YouTube channel. So I'm really bad where I assume everybody's so busy and they never want to hear from me. I'm the same. I'm the same.

I'm like, oh, I'm not going to bug anyone ever. And I remember the first female to ever reach, the first person to ever reach out to me to collab was Ingrid Nilsson. Oh my God. Do you talk to her still? Oh my God. I still love her.

No, when she moved to New York is when we kind of lost touch. I think so. I think she runs, like, is it Candles or something? She does, like. She's making something now. I got to go creep on her a little bit. Miss Glamorazzi. She was, yeah.

She was so sweet to me. Oh, wow. She was like, let's collab and hang out. We did videos together, and she invited me to her launch party. And then at this party, I met Cassie, who does the blog a lot. He's the fitness stuff. And her and I just became instant friends. And I just feel like Ingrid just like kind of just like brought me into the fold because I was just in my kitchen baking all the time. I didn't really know too many people and she really made an effort to make me feel included. And I just remember how good that felt

for like one person to be inclusive. Oh, it makes a difference. And it built my confidence and it made me like want to do the same for other people. And I was like, Hey, this is no, this is really cool. Like this is, this is the way to do it. And I, I don't know, I still remember that. And I tried to remember that even moving forward with the rest of idea like how big of a deal that was to me and how much it meant to me um that she that she did that Mike that was so sweet she was I mean she was she was an it girl too she was like one of the OGs I was talking about Juicy Star, Miss Glamorazzi they were very they were like 2008 2007 YouTube which oh my gosh

Michelle Vaughn do you still oh Do you have any talk to her? Do you know her? Oh, my God. I love her. Wait, really? She was the biggest. I mean, that girl was unstoppable. My mind was blown.

One day she called me and said, do you want to do lunch? Let's go to lunch. Oh, my gosh. We went to lunch, Mike, and she just sat me down and gave me the best business advice you could ever give somebody. What'd she say? She goes, you're promoting all these other products. You need to make your own.

Very true. Okay. I mean, I was taking notes. And that worked out for her very well. Yeah. She's like a billionaire now. I think so. She started Ipsy, right?

Yeah. Yeah, she's like one of the co-founders of Ipsy. And I know that they, years ago, they had a wait list. Like you couldn't even get on the subscription service. Right. And cosmetics. She's so service. She's so smart. She's a genius, Mike. I think she owns a record label or something.

I wouldn't believe you. She probably bought it by accident and was like, I guess I'll keep this. She just got lucky. When you accidentally add something to your cart by accident, you're like, well, I'll just keep it. She's just like a co-founder of all these businesses. Seriously.

I always wonder what happens to OG YouTubers that don't make things. I'm like, maybe they just made so much money. They were smart with it. And they're like, I don't need to do this anymore. Someone did. Yeah. Or you get into investing. You can invest in different businesses, different percentages.

Like invest 5% into this business, this business. That's really smart when people do that. Yeah. Then you got your stock options. And you're just doing it. I was never smart with investments do that. Yeah. Then you got your stock options and you're just doing it. I was never smart with like investments that way. I always try to like invest in myself. Sometimes it paid off.

Sometimes it didn't. But I should have done more. Like branding is hard. Like making your own products. I saw you had your own. Yes. Your cute little ones. You had like little like cake, like poop, like candies or something like that.

They were so cute. Like the little molds you made. They were like the number one or number two most sold mold on Amazon. What happened to them? They were so cute, like the little molds you made. They were like the number one or number two most sold mold on Amazon. What happened to them? They were so popular. Well, the company that I made them with, Wilton, they sold their company, like went out of business. They got bought by a German company. Got bought by a German company.

I don't know one person there. I don't speak German. I don't know. Oh, my gosh. I mean, so when our contract ended, I have no way of communicating. There's nobody who I knew is there. But now we do a home organization line, though. It's been really fun.

Yeah, we have a home organization line out. It's on Amazon. I think a little product's left at a container store. But we moved everything to Amazon because it's just so much easier for people to buy and like internationally too because we moved into the UK as well. So we're doing like a little home organizational line. Wow. the UK as well. So we're doing like a little home organizational line. And, but it's just a bummer when you partner with some companies, you can't control if they're going to sell or whatever,

you know, that's not in my control. I found out when everybody else did, like they didn't even, I know I'm not a big deal, but I'm one of their partners. You think they would just send me an email like, Hey,

by the way, we sold the company. No, they didn't even email me. I found out like in a Google alert, like that, like, they were like, hey, sells. And I was like, oh. What? But did you own the model?

Like, did you own the model and stuff? Yeah, I own the designs. Yeah, designs. But they were, like. So you never hear from them. No, it's just gone. Just vanished. So the little, like, poop candy things you can't make.

I guess you could make it. You just have to find another manufacturer or something. Yeah, I'll just have to find a whole other process. Because those were so cute. The packaging was cute. The little molds were cute. It broke my heart. They were performing really well, too. It sucks when you make something and it's performing well and then something

happens that's out of your control. Have you ever sold in Target? Because I know you partner with Target. Have you ever sold in Target? I'm not sure. We were at Walmart for many years. That's huge. Your cookbooks have always been there. We did their Saturday morning at Walmart. We went there and met their CEO. They're really bigger than Target now.

They are. They're a huge distribution. And even after our contract was done, Walmart kept my products because we had a great working relationship and it just worked out really well. I mean, I don't know any other YouTuber who's had these accomplishments that you have, like being in stores, being on networks. No, I mean, truly. And I love all YouTubers.

I support when they go mainstream. But to get recurring shows, I mean, that's very hard. They give a lot of YouTubers chances. And then they usually don't translate for whatever reason. But it's amazing how you've been in all these stores. It's something that's so difficult. I've we've tried, I've tried all these different things and it's very difficult. And even the biggest YouTubers don't know how to do it or can't do it or it's amazing. And that's something. It's a lot, there's a lot of business. There's a

lot of relationships. There's a lot of different moving parts going on. And I've learned a lot about distribution and, um, basically making products as well and the different setups and things. So I've become like a smarter business woman. Not that I wanted to, I wanted to be more creative, but I had to learn to make it happen and got really lucky and met really good people. And that's why I remind everybody there's great people in business and entertainment. They're out there. There's so many wonderful people. So don't let a bad experience or like a bad, you know, deal like ruin it for you because that's not how everyone's like. Yeah.

That's the best lesson you could tell someone is just to keep going through it because so many people want to like see you fail or a lot of people just give up and it sucks because there's so many good creative talented people that give up and you're just like wait what happened like you know and that just happens and I think that's like a great success story is all the like little failures or the little setbacks and stuff like that because then people are like oh remember this like look at me now look at us we're so resilient I'm literally I'm a geriatric millennial you guys I'm literally, I'm a geriatric millennial, you guys. I literally, I'm a geriatric millennial now and I'm still making YouTube content, still doing TV shows. And I feel really happy about it. And I feel like I'm, as I'm getting older, I'm getting more confident of speaking my mind. Yeah. And it's wonderful. It's so good. Stage two is the good stage. Right? But it's like, why can't I do this 20 years ago?

I know. I wish I could put my mindset in my body 20 years ago. Yeah. I always say that, too. I'm like, I wish I could be this person now in my 20s. I would have gotten, like, a lot. I could have gotten a lot further, just, like, be more emotionally regulated and more, you know.

But that's life. You have to learn. You have to learn these things. That's why we are the way we are now. Because you're like, okay, I had to learn that lesson. I had to do that. And yeah, you can't. You had to like, I don't know.

Stage two is a good stage. I always tell people that. I'm like, don't be scared of getting older. Like 30s is like my favorite every year. I feel like it's better. I think it's amazing. You stop caring so much what other people think. You let little things go and then the big things you talk about, you know.

And I think that's, it's so amazing. And that's why I love. It's a blessing. Oh. Growing old. It really is. And that's another thing. I don't think like as women, people talk about as much as everyone's like, Oh no, getting old or getting old. They say it so negatively, but it's so great. So great. I don't think I've been happier. I don't think I've felt more solid. I don't think I've felt more confident. I don't think that I've just, I don't know,

Mike, holistically, I just feel like even, even with Mike, we've been together for so many years. We've been together over 10, 11, 12. I don't even, so many years, over 10 years. I just don't, I would never go back ever. I am. Ever. It's just strong now. It's just awesome. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to worry either. I feel the same way. I was always so worried about relationships and love and what are they doing and DMs.

And it's just like you just stop worrying about everything. Weight even too. It's just like weight or the way you look or body image issues. You were saying right before this that you're going this more natural route. You're like, you know what? I just want my personality to shine. And i thought that was such a powerful thing because we both love to be glam and like we'll still be glam but there's ways there's a fun time to do it and i also just love like you're you just your hair is natural and thank you but i just saw

recently too like that you it was like a year ago that you had your breast implants removed and you did the fat grab and like i've been talking about that for so long i want mine out i'm just like over the look i'm over over the pain. I'm over also the toxicity. I'm sure I have like breast implant. I'm always like so sick from them. So I think all the stuff you share and because you share it, it like inspires so many people, you know, especially the implants, especially the surgery. It's like what you said in your video about it was like it's a lifelong commitment.

It's every 15 years. And that's something people don't know about. And when you say stuff like this, it's just like so important for girls to hear because it's stuff they don't tell you, you know? And they don't even explain like your whole body builds scar tissue around the entire implant. Yeah. Because your body knows it's not supposed to be there.

Yeah. It like rejects. And so like people don't understand there's more to it than just like, oh, now you have pretty boobs. Right. Yeah. There's so much more. The trauma.

Yeah. It's actually traumatic. It can make you sick. I've talked to so many people about it. And like you said, it you have pretty boobs. Right. Yeah. There's so much more. The trauma. Yeah. It's actually traumatic. It can make you sick. I've talked to so many people about it. And like you said, it does. It almost like rejects. There's leakage. There's all this stuff like that.

That's actually really, really dangerous and really scary. And I would like more people should talk about it. And I think that's another good thing that you talk about just in general. I love how you're open about it all. Because I was, I watched that video and I don't remember when that all happened. And I was just like, wow, she's like being so open. I didn't know you had surgery. I didn't know you had it removed, you know?

So, you know, you look at someone like you and I'm just like, oh, I just love now too. You're just like, I just want my personality to shine. And I'm like, that's, that's so important. I think that like when I'm aging and like, I think I'm going to try to do it as gracefully as possible. I might have a little something done to my face someday and I will just film it and show everybody. Um, but in general, I'm trying to do it as gracefully as I can and find out what makes me feel good

and me feel the most confident versus what I think other people want. Um, that mindset is gone. And I think that has been the most healthy for me in like this phase of my life is just letting go of what I think other people want and just doing what I want for me. And that's the first time I've ever done this. I've never put myself first. I've never tried to take care of myself in that way. And it's weird. It's weird. It's definitely weird. Like I eat salad now. Because you like it? No. I was like, I haven't gotten to that phase yet. Where's that phase at? I'm getting used to it, but it's like, I eat salad for lunch. I used to, I used to never, I would never eat a salad. I can't do salad. How did you get into that mindset? I need to get there.

So I started, I just had to eat more fiber. Okay. So also when you get into that mindset? I need to get there. So I started, I just had to eat more fiber. Okay. So also when you get older, the, the thing that's funny, but it's the only thing that sucks is the medical problems. Like medically you do get issues as you get older, as you age. And so I have to eat more fiber so I can poop healthy. Maybe that's my problem. Cause I was like on Metamucil or something because I like couldn't go. And I was just like maybe. Girl, fiber. Fiber.

And salad's fiber? Yeah. To me, salad feels just like water or something. I don't know. Yeah, just all the – What's the fiber in it? The leaves, the crunchy leaves. Like spinach or like –

Spinach, arugula. Well, you know, like when we were kids, they were like, oh, there's nothing in salad. You use more calories chewing it. There's no nutritional value. Yeah. No, there's a ton of nutrients. Is there? I always hear that.

And even like the most basic salads. And there's protein in even spinach. Oh my gosh. Were you always a healthy person, Mike? No, no. I'm still not. Oh, you're not? Okay.

I can tell you're healthy. I just like to know stuff. I don't follow it. You know stuff about salads. Mike loves Taco Bell. Oh, man. Taco Bell's good. He would eat a bean burrito from Taco Bell every day if I let him. I think I've had it like three times this week.

No, you're tall. That's the... You're very lucky. I'm tall and I'm male, so it's like a cheap thing. Yeah, I know. It's just not fair. I eat Taco Bell once and I gain like 20 pounds. I don't eat for three days. I'll do like a water fast. I swear I stay the exact same weight. It's so hard. I tested my thyroid. It's like fine. I'm like, oh my god, I just can't lose weight.

Wait, you did a water fast? I've done water fast. I like documented it on YouTube. Yeah, and they used to work. I'm like, oh my God, I just can't lose weight. Wait, you did a water fast? I've done water fast. I like documented it on YouTube. Yeah. And they used to work. I used to lose like 20 pounds in three days. Like, but now I do it and it doesn't work. It's crazy. Have you ever done like a lot of little like fiber and protein? That's what I'm doing. And it's working so well. It's slow

and steady. Like slowly and steadily. I lost the weight that I put on during COVID because I did not handle COVID mentally very well. I thought the world was going to end. I saw the news and all over the world, all the countries, you know, the virus is everywhere. And I just, I looked at Mike and I was like, we're going to die. Really? You really thought it? I said, we're all going to die. And I was just in our hot tub, smoking weed, drinking, eating pizzas. That's us. I was literally like, screw it. We're all

going to die. And then when they developed the vaccine, like a year later, I was like, okay, okay. I need to slow down because it looks like I'm gonna live like I just didn't cope very well I I kind of like emotionally ate like I I coped with food and alcohol and and gummies like those THC gummies oh yeah I was just lit for an entire year were you making content still or no yeah okay so you're good you're productive so you were you're like it's gonna end but I'm still gonna make some videos I was so messed up though, Mike. We were making like a, you know, everyone was making bread. Oh yeah.

The banana bread and cloud bread. Yeah. So I was like, here's my mom's banana bread recipe. And then I'm looking at Mike like, we're all going to die. What does it matter? And he's like, just make the bread. Oh my. I mean, the bread was good.

Put it in the oven. Come on. Let's go. Put it in the oven, woman. Do you eat it all too when you make it? Do you. Put it in the oven. Come on. Let's go. Put it in the oven, woman. Do you eat it all, too, when you make it? Do you guys eat it all? Yeah, those are my cheat days because I have a sweet tooth, so I love the sweets. Oh, man.

So on the cheat days, we do, like, cupcakes or cakes or brownies or cookies. Do you always make it from scratch? Do you ever do box? I do scratch now. Most of all the recipes are scratch. Wow. When I first started, it was box cakes, but now it's from scratch. Wow.

That's amazing. That's one thing I cannot do bake. You'll know. I'm not good at measuring things, so I always just like eye it. It takes forever to measure. It really does. Oh my god, baking is not my forte, which I love. I do love sweets, but. I gotta get you like a pre-made like a jar where everything's already

measured. You just dump it in. I can't even do it. And stir. Those yellow cakes, I never they always are like flat. I don't know what I do wrong. Okay, I'll just bring you cookies then or something. I'll bring you some good things. We do like crumble. I'm like, well, that's good. I do like sweets. I love crumble. Do you love them? Oh my God. They're pretty good. Yeah. I love food. It's good. Yeah, they have good recipes.

Have you ever tried intermittent fasting? No. That works really good for me. Mike does that. Every day. So what is that, eating one meal a day? That's how I do it, but a lot of people, you know. It's just a 12-hour break, I think. You can eat for like an eight-hour. Or eight hours.

Yeah, if you can do a 16-hour break and then eat for. 16. Well, that's not bad. If you're sleeping eight hours. Yeah, exactly. So it'd be like eight hours after you wake up. So eight hours after like 7 a.m., that's like you're eating at like one. Yeah, and the idea is that since you're limiting yourself to eating at those times only overall you're eating less so it's not some

magical thing like okay cram as much as you can in this eight hours okay but it really is like eat till you're full and then try and i train myself to where i don't eat breakfast and so my first meal is like i can't do that yeah i get so hungry i get too hungry the whole day but everybody's different because like rose so small she can't physically eat enough to like feel full the whole day. Interesting, yeah. But for me, like if I eat the right amount of protein and stuff, I'm full. Like I've trained myself to be full. It's like what you eat during that fast too because I think for me, I would just want to like fill everything.

I eat pasta. Like I just eat a ton of pasta and I feel like then that would not be good either. I'm more of a – I need my schedule. Like I have the same protein smoothie every morning. I have the same salad for lunch. And then for night it's like chicken and potatoes. Oh, you have potatoes? Yeah. I love potatoes. So when you lost all your weight, you were still eating carbs or were you more, so you never went like keto or anything? No, I don't like keto. I don't like any of the restricting stuff because it doesn't work for me. Not long term. It really, I give up on it quickly if it's too extreme.

I have to be able to enjoy life. I have to be able to eat. I love food. I can't do that. It has to be about portions. Portions. Portions. I think that's a big one.

When people completely cut out stuff, that's not healthy. Like they're going to find out later that that's not good for you to just not eat certain things forever. And so portions is like the most important. Yeah, I think that's where I struggle because we cook a lot and we cook big portions. I love to eat. I cook big portions, but you know, it's good to eat a variety of food. And I love potatoes.

I eat them every day. Wow. Purple potatoes, red potatoes, white potatoes. Gold potatoes. Oh, yeah. I love the potatoes too. We're potato people over here. But do you work out?

Not lately. Wow. So you just kept it off with portion control. Yeah, basically I just eat like good portions, lots of protein, and I cheat all the time. I mean, we do like the other night I wanted gnocchi, so we just did a lot of pasta. I think last week we had pizza three days in a row. Yeah. Gnocchi and pizza are my favorite.

The old me would just eat an entire pizza. The new me is eating just a couple slices. That's really good. And so it's the portion. People don't realize, like they hear the 2,000 calories a day is like the standard. That's what I heard.

That's high for most people. So Ro got her, you can get it tested how many calories you burn. Oh. Ro only needs 900 calories. Yeah, you're resting metabolic rate because you're so short. Yeah, she's so small

and her structure is small too. Right. So I was way overeating. Yeah, and so you eat 2,000 calories so short. Yeah, she's so small and her structure is small too. Right. So I was way overeating. Yeah, and so you eat 2,000 calories. Like, oh, I'm great. And me, like I don't have a lot of muscle, but I only burn like 1,500 and I'm 6'2". Wow. And so people, they are told all this stuff like the food pyramid and 2,000 calories and lettuce has no nutrition.

Like it's all wrong. Wow. And so it's like you're trying to operate with all this information. It has a lot of vitamins and minerals and I didn't know that. Yeah. Like, it's all wrong. And so it's like you're trying to operate with all this information. It has a lot of vitamins and minerals, and I didn't know that. Yeah, sounds – Nobody told me that. Interesting. And I thought iceberg lettuce was just water.

Yeah. Did not know it had vitamins and minerals, and I didn't know fiber helped you poop. Fiber also helps lower your cholesterol. Oh, wow. In my family, people genetically have really higher cholesterols. So that's something that I have to watch. Basically, it's pairing your food with a fiber.

If you're eating a little string cheese, like a piece of cheese, eat it with an apple or eat it with a fiber. Apple's fiber? Oh, apples are great. Those help you poop. I always think sugar. You think fruit, you think sugar. Apples are great. Mike, is it j jicama it has really fibrous thing about fruit is you want

to eat fruit you don't want to eat juice you don't want juice no juice horrible for you all fruit juice is like so bad because it's just water and sugar at that point right with the fruit you get like the meat of it which slows down the absorption of the sugar in your body. Oh my gosh. Like it has way more nutrients, fiber, like, yeah,

and again, it's like all this knowledge that you were taught as a kid is actually wrong. Yeah. They're trying to like change it, but everyone growing up, They had terrible education

about food growing up. Even people our age, they just don't know. Yeah. They have the wrong information. In my public school, they had that, did you have?

The pyramid. Yeah. Yeah, that thing's a scam. Yeah, totally. It was like the fats. Like, you need more fats than what they put on there. They're like, the fats are at the top. You only need a little bit of that.

And you're like, nope, you need more. You need the good fats. Yeah. Because lipids burn lipids. That's fat burns fat. That's science. Also, they put, Mike, where did they, they put eggs in, like, the dairy section? Yeah, and they said, like, that's

a protein. It was literally the graph was like made by corporations. It wasn't made by like actual science. It wasn't made by like a cereal company. So it's like, oh, you need tons of carbs and sugar and all that stuff. And don't eat, don't eat fat. Cause that's what makes you fat. Not all the sugar you're eating. It's like, no, fat's actually healthy for you. It burns. The healthy fats. Like, if you dig into how we got to where we are, it's pretty nasty, like, why we were taught these things. That makes sense because, like, pasta and bread was at the bottom.

And you're just like, I just got to eat all this bread. You know what I mean? Which isn't, like, the worst for you. But it's definitely not your main category over, like, meat or something. Isn't that nuts? It's wild. Yeah. I mean, the way we grew up in like the nineties and stuff like that, like there, all the diet

culture was, I thought diet Coke was good for you. And then literally when I got pregnant, they're like, just drink wine or beer. Like that's more like bread or a diet Coke is like so poisonous. I love diet Coke, but it was like the worst thing for me. I had to quit diet Coke. I love it too. It's so good. But it's like literally like the worst thing for any diet. Any diet soda is horrible for you.

They had an article that came out recently that was saying, I think it's the faux sugar in the diet coke is like causing leaky gut. And like gut issues. And I'm like, don't eat any of those. Yikes. Why does it

taste so good? I know. I love diet coke. How did they do this to me? We were just talking about this most, like, I don't understand why people would drink Diet Coke over Coke, and I'm like, that's all my mom bought, and I loved it. I just loved the taste of Diet Coke. Me too. They have to put something so addictive in there, because I feel like a lab rat that they've trained to love Diet Coke.

Like, they've addicted me enough where I'm like, I need it every time I see it. In Mexico, they have to call it Coca-Cola Light, because even in America, calling it diet, it's to call it Coca-Cola Light because even in America calling it diet, it's to trick people to be like – Oh, in Mexico? Oh, on a diet. There's a label that says don't drink if you're pregnant too.

Yeah, and literally on their labels it has warnings and like – Yeah. It's very different and it opens your eyes when you go to other countries. Yeah, they say it's like literally like kill your baby if you're pregnant. Like it was the scariest thing. I was like I'm not doing it at all. So I can have like a Diet Coke at McDonald's. Like don't do it. It's like oh my gosh. I salivate when I see them. I know. The Diet Coke, especially at McDonald's. Their fountain

drinks are so good. I know. You can put all my favorite foods in front of me, all my favorite stuff. And if you put a Diet Coke, I would start drooling over that Diet Coke. Do you not do it anymore? No, I had to stop because my tummy started to get like really sensitive and I had to start taking better care of myself and like my gut health. Yeah. And that's why I'm eating all this fiber. It's amazing. I'm eating all this protein. I'm eating these salads. You look good. And your mom too, you have good genes. She's like 70 when I, and I was like, oh my God, she looks amazing. She's so like spry. She loves, like she's Italian and she does like the Mediterranean diet. She eats a lot of fresh, you know, like fish and veggies and fruits.

She looks great. She really loves to eat healthy and she kind of makes me love eating healthy. I do love my sweets, but I do like healthy food too. Like I love apples. I like carrots. I like all that stuff. So you're just like not a carrot? I'm trying to love salads.

Okay. I'm really trying to love salads. Okay. I'm really trying to love salads, but it's hard because my heart wants French fries. But can you do both? Like my cholesterol wants the salad. So I'm like, I haven't conquered that yet. I haven't conquered that. Like eating is just my favorite. And one day, day one day maybe I don't know what it is one day maybe I'll transition but it is it's difficult and I try to be really good during like the off season of the food network shows because when you're filming the food network shows I'm eating like eight twelve cookies a day from all the contestants and that's really an indulgence even for me I mean that's a lot of cookies. Yes. And it's delicious.

And I don't fake it. I eat all of them. And I enjoy it. But you know what? I get a little curvy after that show. I usually put on at least 10 pounds. Wow, because it's so sugar and yum. And I pick wardrobe that progressively gets a little bigger as the show goes on.

Dress dresses by the end of it. On the episode, the episodes are coming out now. And I literally died. You can see me get bigger every time. No, I died laughing because we were watching. We don't see the cut of every episode until later. So we were watching one, and her co-host, Duff, is, like, talking about the cookie or whatever. And you see Ro in the background with this huge cookie just holding it with both hands,

just, like, taking the biggest bite like ro she's forgetting she's on a show it's just like eating like 2 000 calories worth of a cookie it's like bro you can only you can take one bite oh my god i'm dead it's like ro just doesn't even care that it's a show she's like oh it's so funny that's so real like orgasmic moment i'm just like i feel that way when I eat. I'm just like eating this cookie, forgetting that they're filming me. And I'm just like stuffing my face. It was so big.

It was like a foot by a foot. And she's like, ah. Oh, wait. I love when people love food, though, especially on those shows. Like, that's when it's like real and authentic, you know? I think that's why people love like Guy Fieri and Dinah Jivins, you know, because he eats it. And you can tell he loves it. I love his noises.

He's like, mm. Yeah. Oh, this is a great, a great hoagie. Oh, oh, oh. Every episode, I love every second of it. It's so good. He's the dream job. I'm like, I want his job.

When's he retiring? Because that is everything. Food-based things are. But I would just gain so much weight. I don't know how he does it. We'll take over. And we'll put in our contracts. They have to get us

trainers. And they gotta get us salads. I would eat salads if I knew I was gonna do diners and diners. I would eat salads. I would eat it because in preparation for a good meal. It's a balance. I can do that. Yeah, we eat the fiber and then we eat something yummy. Yes, I think that

then I could definitely do it. And now I'm still kind of if I know we're gonna have like a big lasagna for dinner. I'm like, okay, let me just have a half a grilled cheese for lunch or something. It's not nutritious, but I try. It's just so hard. Balance. It's all balance. Balance and portions. That's what's worked for me because I can't calorie count. I can't diet. I can't

do any of that. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, Rose still eats all of her favorite things. It's just portions. Portions, yeah. I think that's the healthiest way because if you cut out all your favorite stuff, it's not going to work. You have to be crazy for that to work. Not sustainable. It's really just realizing like – No, Mike, and I'm Italian.

What Italian family? Are you going to be like, oh, no, whole Italian family? I'm not going to eat this delicious pasta for Christmas. They would murder me. Do you make pasta for Christmas? Yeah, we do handmade pasta from pasta for Christmas. They would murder me. Do you make pasta for Christmas? Yeah, we do handmade pasta from scratch every Christmas. Could you imagine the insult

to my poor mother? Not eating it. My little mama Mia. I'm like, oh no, I'm off carbs. She'd be like, oh! That's the dream. I would love pasta for Christmas. I could eat pasta. I have eaten pasta every day for the past 10 years of my life. It's just my favorite anywhere we go. And I'm not even Italian. I always thought I should marry an Christmas. I could eat pasta. I have eaten pasta every day for the past, like, 10 years of my life.

It's just my favorite anywhere we go. And I'm not even Italian. I always thought I should marry an Italian. I'm like, I need to get in that family where they make all the Italian food. Truce food's bomb, though. Yeah, actually. We've gotten really into it. Yeah, very much like hummus bar, like that kind of stuff.

But that's also very fattening. You think it's, like, healthy, but, like, pita bread, I just eat all the loffa bread. Like, I eat all that stuff. Schnitzel, which is like. What's that? What's the holiday where there's a lot of food involved? I mean, a lot of them have food. Yeah.

There's a big holiday. Well, Hanukkah is like bread. It's like, it's a jelly donuts. Passover. Oh, Passover is huge. They do matzo ball. Well, I guess you don't do bread then. You do like matzo crackers.

When do you do the challah bread? Challah Shabbat, I guess. So every Friday they do a big Shabbat dinner so you have like the big challah bread. It's like the braided bread and they have a lot of breads that are good. Like their breads are amazing. The laff of bread's good. Do you do wine too? Oh yeah, that's Passover. That one, I never drink except I drink

on Passover and I'm like drunk. We did one because you drink after each prayer. There's like 18 prayers. It goes on forever. Can you make up prayers so you could have some more drinks? Well, me, you know what's the problem? You can't eat until the prayers are over, so you're just drinking, but you're wanting to eat. And it's a lot.

Like, then you're all drunk. We did it this year, and it was crazy. It was our first, like, big Passover. So Jewish food is great, too. I mean, I just love food in general. There's not one food I don't like. Excitingly, we salad. I know. Girl, I'm trying to love it. I'm trying. I'm, I just love food in general. There's not one food I don't like. Excitingly, we salad. I know.

Girl, I'm trying to love it. I'm trying. I'm trying these really, and not just boring salads. I'm trying ones that incorporate a little quinoa, a little chickpeas. Like, they have a lot of elements to them. So it's not just, like, lettuce leaves. I know. Mine's boring.

I get, like, the chicken Caesar salad, and I'll just eat. Like, I don't like dressing, which is good. I don't like sauces or dressing in general. So I just eat, like, a dry salad. People are like, why are you eating dry? I'm like, we do one. There's one called Health Nut around here. dressing in general so I just eat like a dry salad people why are you even dry I'm like we do one there's one called health nut around here have you been there I love health yeah theirs are pretty good the Kardashians got me on there and I was like okay I'll try it it's pretty good yeah that's like Molly likes yeah

she likes the noodle rama oh that's my sister's favorite salad is it like a hard noodle in there it's soft so it's literally it's like it's like salad mixed with noodles. So I don't need more noodles. It's not healthy. It's literally eating pasta. Okay, because I was like, I don't need more noodles. Probably. My sister, she's lactose intolerant, so we've been going to a bunch of vegan restaurants just because she can't have dairy.

Oh my gosh, really? Yeah, and even if we tell chef like, you know, oh, my sister's allergic, they might forget that they've like sauteed a chicken with a little bit of butter, you know, something. And she gets really ill very quickly. So we've been going to like vegan restaurants and there's actually some really great ones like Crossroads.

Oh, I love Crossroads. There's one here in Calabasas and we go there all the time. They have like a really good bolognese. They have meat and pasta again. It's so good. It's, yeah. No, I love, I love Crossroads. You could bring someone there

and not tell them it was vegan and they wouldn't have no idea. I'm very not anti-vegan in that sense. I'm very just like, I hate vegan food, but I love that one. I eat it with my sister. I also watch reality with my sister. I don't watch a lot of reality shows. I like scripted. She loves reality. I love reality too.

When I want to hang out with her, I gotta watch reality shows. What do you guys watch? She watches Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise, Vanderpump. Oh, I don't get into that one. I don't get it. I didn't know anyone until she had me watch it last season. I learned who Tom was and Ariana.

I just know from TikTok. Oh, yeah, everywhere. Because I'm all in. Raquel. Was there Raquel? She basically gave me a reality show. The Real Housewives franchise. My sister loves watching Beverly Hills and Orange County and New York and Atlanta. Now I know the Housewives.

Right. I did not know them before. I don't know them either. People say them. I'm like, I don't know. You like it? I'm just learning. Are you into it? I am trying to get into it. I think what I like is like, I just like hanging out with the girls, like having a girl's trip or a girl's day or something. So I kind of like that. They fight with you. They're, you know, drama. I, yeah, I don't know. Would you join it? Would you be on it? What would they even

do with me? You would be good. I feel like I wouldn't fight enough. I feel like they'd be like... You have to fight. I don't know. I don't know the promise of the show. They fight a lot. I don't know. They fight with each other. But it's probably scripted. It's probably fake. But even so, manufactured. I do think, you know what, if I had a really good friend on this show

and someone messed with her, I could see me... I'm much more likely to stand up for others than myself. Interesting. I wonder why that is. So very like protective. And I'm a big sister. My sister's a little sister and I feel really protective of her.

Like if anybody messed with her or hurt her, I would be in there in two seconds. I wouldn't even think about it. So I think it would be the same way with friends. So why can't you do it for you? Right? What is it, I wonder? I need a psychologist. We need a therapist over here. Why am I okay with standing up for others and people I love

but not myself? Because you could still be perceived as not liked by standing up for other people, you know what I mean? So it's interesting. I kind of think those psychology bindings. Because I don't stand up for other people. It's more just fear again. I'm just like, I don't know what to do in this situation. I'm very bad at that. I want to interesting. I like kind of think those like psychology bindings. Because I don't even like, I don't stand up for other people. It's more just fear again. Like I'm just like, I don't know what to do in this situation. I'm very bad at that. I want to be.

I'm just, I'm bad at sticking up for myself. I'm bad at sticking up for others. I don't know. It's interesting. That is weird. Maybe it's just you're more, hmm. Maybe self. Oh my gosh, I'm learning so much.

Yeah. Like when we're hanging out, like what? Characteristic to have. It's a very good quality to have. You know what I mean? Wow. So that would be me. I would probably get crazy if somebody messed with somebody I really cared about. Yeah. That would be. You could go off on. Yeah, they could probably treat me like crap for a very long time and I'd be actually not even noticed. But eventually I'd be like, hey, wait a minute. I'm so used to it now. I could see you on the show.

You could be on Real Housewives because you throw extravagant parties. Oh, my gosh, yes. You know, you're very that. Even, like, the kids' parties you throw for your nephews, it's, like, amazing. It's quite amazing. I'm like, oh, my God, we need to throw. Your parties are amazing. Right back at you.

Well, we got so many birthday parties. I'm like, wow, do we need to, like, throw something big? Malibu can't even walk. We're, like, so many birthday parties. I'm like, wow, do we need to throw something big? Malibu can't even walk. We're like to have bouncy houses. That birthday party was beautiful. Thank you. But we overpaid and everything. And you guys did it yourself.

And it looked so amazing. It's really sweet. We're trying to become more of a party house, like having my own stuff there. Because renting in LA is so expensive. And they upcharge you so much. Because a lot of people don't have the space to store like party equipment and things. So when you're renting, it's at this huge upcharge. So we're trying to build, we built like a storage set on the side

of the house and we're trying to get like our own cocktail tables and stands so that I don't have to rent them every time. That is what's the most expensive. We get our budget and we like analyze everything and there'll be like $7,000 in like furniture rental. We're like, what? How is that? Yeah. It costs more to rent it once than it does to buy it.

But they just take advantage of people in LA because you don't have a yard. You can't store it. The storage. So we've like in our yard, we've found little places that we like put a little shed and we're going to maybe even do a second one. Wow. And like buy all the uplights and all the, like you can buy 90% of it and it's ready to go.

It really cuts down the cost. It allows us to have more parties too. Right. Yeah. Because it can be so, because you used to do Halloween parties. Did you guys hire people to do those or did you? Yes. Yes.

I hired the same party planner as my girlfriend, Rebecca, Rebecca Zamolo. Oh, yeah. She would host a bunch of parties and I loved them and she put me in touch with her like event planner and we worked with her a couple times and they were really pretty. We did a holiday party, a Christmas party, we did a Halloween and even for the smaller stuff she'll help us with like little balloons or like a photo stand but I'm learning that a lot of that stuff you can buy and build and we have the room to store it. We're really lucky that way.

So I think in the future we'll do more of that just because we love to party. My sister and I, we love to have fun. I love it. We were party animals in college. Which is crazy to me. I know. Oh, my gosh. Like, I couldn't even believe it.

But then he showed me college photos of you. And I was just like, oh, my gosh, yeah, you look like a partier for sure. I was drinking all the time. Well, that's fun, though. That's college. I was just like, oh my gosh, yeah, you look like a partier for sure. I was drinking all the time. Well, that's fun though. Oh, I. That's college. I was drunk for four months. Imagine you had social media back then.

Yeah. You know, like were you Snapchatting or anything back in college? No, I wasn't. Yeah. So right when I was going into college is when Facebook came out. Okay. I like grew up with the internet. Like we had dial up in middle school and high school and then internet got a little stronger.

And then when I, right when I went to college, it was right when Facebook came out and you had to have, do you remember this? You had to have a college email to have Facebook. Yeah. Cause I wasn't in college and they're like, it's only for college students. And I was like, I remember my brother was on it and I was like, what the heck? It's so weird. I wanted to be on it.

That's when I had it. And all of us at my college, all the photos that we posted were just drinking photos. It's just me and a bunch of beer cans, basically. And like at parties and there's nothing that embarrassing. I really just drank, hung out with my girlfriends, had a great time.

You got good grades. I did get good grades. That's amazing. I didn't let them slip. For drinking, being dyslexic, having ADHD, like wanting to act and not going for communication. Like that's amazing that you were able to do it. I had a lot of energy when I was younger. You still do. I do.

You have the most energy. It's like not what it used to be. What? I can't even imagine. It's like a half of it. I'm glad I didn't meet Mike back then. I think I would have scared him. Oh my God.

You bring the party. You bring the party and the energy everywhere you go. You really do. Molly did a keg stand before me growing up. I can't picture that at all. I know her as this wifey mother. Sweet little... She was a party animal. How funny. She's fun.

I never had that era of my life, but in general, I never... I think it's just more like me being socially awkward with people. Having Malibu, I've been more social going to parties with her than I have my entire life. I feel like you're so social. You're very, like, warm. You're very open. I feel like you're so easy to talk to and, like, it's just you.

You just bring it out in people, honestly. Like, I feel like because I'm not like that with everybody. People will tell you, like, I'm just, like, awkward and not in a cute way either, not in a quirky. I'm awkward. It's just like, no, I'm, I'm kind of socially... I don't know. It's kind of weird, but I think I've come out more in being married and stuff like that. I'm like, okay, let me try a little more. Even at our wedding, I was very socially

awkward with people. I'm just like, okay, bye. Thanks for coming. I think what's really hard in entertainment as women is to make friends. I think that that is really hard because in entertainment in general, like in acting, you're just going from gig to gig. Yeah. Like you meet people, you're on a project for like a month and then they throw you over here and now you're over here and you have to follow the work.

You're kind of like this traveling, you know, whimsical gypsy and you're just kind of going around and it's like wherever you land is, you know, your people. And so it's hard to like form relationships and keep them when you're always on the go. And then even when you do, it's like, you're always just not quite sure. Like if, if they genuinely like you, I think that that, um, also is hard about entertainment. And I, um, so what I've done over the years is I just try to make as many real friends as possible and then just see what sticks. And I get really pleasantly surprised. You've had great ones stick with you. When I've had really good ones stick for years and I'm like, this is incredible, a blessing because it's hard.

It's hard. And the ones that fall by the wayside are like lessons and then the ones that stick around, you're like thankful for. You can learn a lot from them. Yeah. And that's what I've learned and same with on scream queens i stayed in touch with a bunch of the girls and then some of some of the girls afterwards uh did a couple of things to me that were um a little cutthroat and i um and i just backed off yeah yeah you just took it as like yeah i mean that's that's friendships they come and go and there's some that stick around and those. Yeah. And it's always sad, especially when it's like girl friendships and stuff like that.

So sad. I know. I try so hard to keep girl friendships. Oh, my gosh. And I'm like, maybe it's me. And I was like, you know, then you start thinking about all that stuff like that. I'm like, maybe I'm the problem. But I love girlfriends more than anything.

So multifaceted with friendships. I remember in college, even even I had a lot of girlfriends and I lived in a all girl house and all girl dorm before. And I just growing up with my sister, we were so close that I just love that. I wanted that sisterhood with me always. And I found it the hardest to build here in LA and entertainment. And I'm, I love to like get people together, party, uh, like, I don't know what you'd call it. Fellowship. I'm not, I don't, I just like it. I like bringing people together and it's hard here. Yeah. But you are good at it. No, but you like, you've introduced me to people that I have like now consider friends like Candy. Like I met her

obviously throughout the year. She's always been really nice. So sweet. And she lives close. And she's so sweet. She's always like, oh, you should go here and try these spots. Because she lives within five minutes from me. And so she's like, you should try this place and this place.

She's so sweet. So I feel like through you, you know the good ones. And I think that's... I got a handful of good ones. Yeah. Just really good, solid people who have just, over time and through everything, like ups and downs have been there. And like, even in our relationships, I'm not perfect. Like as a friend, I sometimes will get so busy. And with ADHD, I get like tunnel vision where I'll, I'll get in a zone

and then I forget to text back my friend or, you know, or I forgot a birthday, you know, and I make mistakes like that. I mess up, but I just apologize right away, hash it out, just shower them with as much love and let them know that it's not intentional. And they said they know that it's not deliberate. Yeah. I'm never intentionally trying to do something. So that's where I struggle is like with texting people back. And I'm getting better at it. I'm really trying to concentrate it and like change. But it's hard because you lose sense of time with ADHD. It's like a weird time warp in your head.

And I'm trying to be better about it. And that's like a new, it's like new but not, but it's like this new, what would you call it? Is it a mental disorder or what is it? Like, so it's like this new thing that's come about that people finally have like a label for or a name for it, but it's been around for a long time and you just didn't know, like people, they like scatterbrain or something like that. And people weren't getting diagnosed or getting treated for it, or at least not understanding what it is. But I think more people have compassion for it. Now I really do. You have the best compassion for it because when we did our, your Halloween shoe, I was about an hour late, which I'm never late. And you guys both were just like, if you didn't show up, it's fine. You know what I mean? Like, because I'm the same way. I'm

very guilty of this. I'm a very much a people pleaser and I've done it multiple times, not just once in a instant. Like I've done it multiple times where I've had to cancel like the day of, or I forget or something. And it's like the worst thing. It's like, to me, I think it's the rudest thing to stand someone up, you know, all that stuff like that. I hate it and I've done it. And you guys were very sweet. You're very like, oh, it's fine. An hour, you know, whatever. If you didn't show up, it's fine. We're under, because I think you have all that, the ADHD, the dyslexia, you like understand that better than most people. And I feel more people are becoming empathetic. Again, talking about this stuff, people are like, oh yeah, that's me too.

Cause I don't think I have ADHD, but I'm very bad at texting too. I won't text people back because I forget, or I think I texted him back back and I love how Moses is very much like Mike in that way too I'll be like can you just talk to Moses now because I will forget things are we had a bad I coordinated something terribly I just had like the wrong timing and it was really awful so I was like you just need to have them like talk to me because I'll just forget or I just try to like put things too close together and yeah but I think you have the best you you guys are very sweet and understanding with that stuff and yeah we don't care about that stuff at all because like I've had really good friends that we're still friends with today that like they literally forgot we were recording we were

supposed to record a song like at the recording studio we showed up and they literally just forgot and slept in and we were waiting outside just like um hello see that's bad because you like yeah and i know it's not intentional you know and so and we got over that in two seconds we were like let's just reschedule that's amazing just reschedule just do it another day and it it's always a bummer when things don't work out i feel like that's it it's like a you know it's a bum but i but at the same time it's always a bummer when things don't work out. I feel like that's it. It's like, you know, it's a bum. But at the same time, I just feel like life is so long that why am I going to stress about, you know, I just have to reschedule another day. It's not a big deal. I like that you say that.

Life is long. Some people say life is short. And it's like life can be really long and, like, beautiful. It feels really long. I feel like I'm 200 years old oh my god and there's so much more and there's so many more so much more left like can you imagine in like 40 years like you're gonna be in it's crazy there'll be so much more than doing this I'll be coming over skipping pumpkins out with you oh my gosh you guys trash literally she's

told me she's never like carved a pumpkin never carved a pumpkin for the first time and you did such a good job I was talking about I can't wait to show it, because I'm like, we had saws. We had everything. I've never used tools. I've never carved a pumpkin. I've never done any of that stuff. This is so cute. Look at this little guy. Well, this is bought, and this is all Moses. I can't decorate. I can't do anything. I have no idea. I love this. Look at your Halloween set. I wouldn't know where to get it. We've got little eyeballs of ghosts. I'm like looking over. Look at this. I have a disco ball. I know. You're like, where did you get this? I'm like, I don't know. I have no idea. This is all Moses.

He goes to like HomeGoods and all those stores. I've never gone to. I want to be more that way, but I absolutely adore you, Ro. In so many ways. I had, I can even show you, I had literally like ten note cards here. Oh my gosh. Just questions and topics and I didn't look at it once and I'm just like, why?

And I prepared for like hours yesterday, which is like, fine, I know so much about you now. I think I have college dyslexia on there, so we hit some of those points. There's so many no cards. They always just go out the window, which I don't mind because you are just a delight in so many ways and I love you in so many ways

and I'm so happy we've connected. I know we've known each other throughout the years but I feel like this year I've just felt very welcomed, warmed by both you, your sister, Mike, her husband. It's very great. And your family, your mom, everyone. My mom loves you. This is making my heart happy.

Thanks guys. Check out Rosanna Pansino. She's doing fun Halloween videos on her channel and also she's on the Halloween cookie bake-off which is so fun. Did I say it right? It's a long title. Halloween Cookie Challenge. I'm on a rundown. It's long. Because they have a Halloween champion. They have like four

baking competitions. It's so confusing. So they have like the Halloween Championship. They have Halloween Bake. There's a lot. Halloween Cookie Challenge Food Network, but you can also watch it on Hulu. Max. Wait, where? Max? Max and Discovery Plus.

And wasn't it Veep or something you posted about? Well, yeah, because Veep is on Max. So I was posting, like, I can watch my girlfriend and Veep on the same platform. It was so cute. I love that Mike always, like, posts her stuff, too. He's so adorable. I think it's adorable.

It's so cute. You guys are partners. You guys are partners in life. Partners in everything. Next up, a wedding. Yay! All right, guys. We'll see you in the next episode.

Bye.