Just Trish - Sasha Colby on Returning to Drag Race, Taking Over for RuPaul & Inspiring Queer Youth

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

She's your favorite drag queen's favorite drag queen--the LEGENDARY Sasha Colby is here! The 'RuPaul's Drag Race' winner spills the tea on returning for 'All Stars', and if she would consider taking over for RuPaul whenever she retires. Plus, Sasha shares her incredible journey growing up trans in Hawai'i, and gives a supportive message to the queer youth who are watching. 💖🪩THANK YOU TO SEATGEEK FOR SPONSORING THIS EPISODE!💖🪩 Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/TRIS... Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $25 discount 💖🪩THANK YOU TO MORGAN & MORGAN FOR SPONSORING THIS EPISODE!💖🪩 If you’re ever injured, you can check out Morgan & Morgan. Their fee is free unless they win. For more information go to https://forthepeople.com/trish or dial Pound LAW - Pound 529 - from your cell phone. 💖🪩JUST TRISH MERCH!💖🪩 https://justtrish.com Sponsor Just Trish: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/just-trish-podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My best friends who like were like, you are so gay. I'm like, no I'm not. Yeah. 17, drag. Okay. 18, graduated. 19,. Let's go. My gosh. Yeah, no, I didn't even audition until season 15. Did you have to audition?

I did, I did. Welcome back to the Jess Trish Podcast. I am so over the moon for today's guest. She is businesswoman, activist, winner of season 15 Drag Race, Miss Continental 2012, the one and only Sasha Coby. The crowd goes wild, wild, wild. I'm so gagged right now that you're here. Thank you so much for having me. This is so fun. Oh my gosh. I just look at you and I'm like, wow.

I'm in your world and I imagine your world. Literally you looked like Barbie when you came in. I was just like I love it. I was feeling like this felt like very I just came from Boca. Love that. And I'm like Luann de la Seps. With the shell necklace too. You're like right off. It's also giving very like white

lotus. Oh yes. Which I saw your TikTok sound you recently did. Yes. Do you watch it or are you just like I did. Okay this is giving white lotus. It's giving Piper now. Yes. You were so good at it. I was like wait the expressions see everything. I love it. It's giving food.

It's giving food. It's giving that. Oh my gosh. Well, you kind of act. Would you ever be on a show like that? Oh, yeah. I'm, like, definitely always wanted to act. I mean, I've been a drama queen my whole entire life.

I feel like I've been overacting to no one in my family. Just to yourself. Yeah, it's just to the mirrors, to the cameras, the imaginary cameras that's always been following me. I feel like when I was little, like, I definitely always thought that, like, I was in a TV show. the mirrors to the cameras the uh the imaginary cameras that's always been following me i feel like when i was little like i definitely always thought that like i was in a tv show like i would wash the dishes and pretend i was like cooking or like kind of talking to the camera at all times i just thought like the truman show like your life was i just assumed that i was main character but that is the best energy i've actually never met anyone that said that because that's exactly

how i felt too. Or like, you know, I'd walk down the hallway and like pose for pictures with like fans and there was nobody there. I was like eight years old. Or like always like running from something. Like I loved to pretend that I was in a scary movie and like run and scream from things or like run. I was doing that at 18.

And in parking garages I would set my camera up and just like run, try to fumble with the keys to get in. That is, oh my God, that is crazy. And the beach you can fall and you're like, on the beach, right? Like running away from like the sharks. Oh wait, yeah, because you grew up in Hawaii. I'm landlocked in Illinois, so I didn't get the beach, but yeah, the killer just always chasing. It's kind of everything. It's so fun. That's wild. So did you act as like a child? Um, well, I never really went to like drama school or anything. I was more like dancer.

There wasn't really a theater in my school, so I kind of just always pretend acted, I guess. But yeah, now I'm totally wanting to be all up in it. I feel like drag is a very niche part of niche part of acting, you know, you kind of, you got to put on a character. Yeah. And you put on a lot of characters. That's why I did my cosplay from your season 15 makeover with Ferocity. And you love cosplay too because you did little Kim on the cover. You've done Pamela, obviously on.

So I was like, okay, she appreciates a cosplay. I do. I do look at Reference Queen. I do. I love, I was like, there was so many looks that you had, but I was like, okay, let me find this. I know. It's like the pageant, the Hawaiian, the Hawaiian prince. Yeah, we, that was one of my favorite all-time makeovers.

I was just like, that was so good. I was so jealous of like the padding, everything. I was just like, looked amazing. It was so fun. And the teacher, she was just so, so about it. Like, she was just like, I want it all. Just give it all. She's like, I got body, but I want

more. Let's do it. I would too. If I was on a makeover, I would want more body. Let's go. She was so down. She was so beautiful. So beautiful. She's so pretty. So easy to paint. I thought it was literally in your family for real. I really thought she was a Kobe. For real. I was looking her up and I was like, oh, this is the only thing

she's got in her dress. She looked like Vanessa Williams. Lion Babe. Vanessa Williams' daughter. She looks so pretty. she's like, that is great. She looked like Vanessa Williams or like Lion Babe, Vanessa Williams' daughter. She looks so pretty. What's her name? Lion Babe. Oh, I don't know her. What a fierce name.

I know. Lion Babe. She's a great musician, yeah. Well, you did act though. I don't know if this was true. I saw a clip and it looked like you in Glee. Yes. How did you get that?

I was gay because Glee is my favorite show right now. I'm like binging it. Oh my gosh. It was for an episode. It was technically, I mean is my favorite show right now. I'm like binging it. Oh my gosh. It was for an episode. It was technically, I mean, it is on my resume. But it was an extra moment and it was a hundred trans people. It was a chorus. So we were doing this huge thing and there was a hundred people from all over the country.

And it was myself and Sonique and Eden the doll. We all were kind of hanging out with each other and yeah we got to meet a bunch of trans people that they like kind of shipped in from and flew in and had all these different representations of what trans is like trans men um trans women non-binary people and we all lip synced you look real though you were convincing in the shot we none of us even knew like the the song, you look real though. You were convincing in the shot. We, none of us even knew like the,

the song. So we were like, we got there like nine in the morning. They hand out like to a hundred trans people like trying to like organize this all, all day. And we're like pretending,

like we're trying to like figure out this music and trying to like learn the lines. Oh my gosh. And you see everyone trying to like figure it out so they can overact and like sing. Yeah. But it took like, it was like an all-day thing, especially to organize this all.

It was super fun. How long do you think you were there? Oh, I mean, we got there probably like, I mean, I think we got shuttled in like six. Oh, my gosh. We probably didn't leave until about six. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. There was a lot of waiting.

There was a lot of organizing. But it was fun. Yeah, you were giving subtle singing. It looked like you were really singing. Because out of 100 people, I mean, you really got featured. I's a lot of waiting. There's a lot of organizing. But it was fun. Well, you were giving subtle. Yeah, you were giving subtle singing. Like, it looked like you were really singing. Because out of 100 people, I mean, you really got featured. I was so happy about that. Yeah. I know.

Out of 100, like, I was, like, right there. How did you get that? Did you have to move your way there, or they put you there? I was just, like, I just let the universe take control. Yeah. They're like, this is the star. And I'm like, wow. OK, here we go.

Because they would kind of set us up into groups, so you didn't know how they were going to file us in. So I just was like, oh, this is great. Oh, yeah, this is a nice shot. Did you like it? Because sometimes I did a background work, too, and sometimes it's like a lot, though. Because you have to be consistent. That, too.

But if you're the main character, aren't you kind of like, well, I should be up there singing. Hold your face, right? I was like, you handled it well with a hundred people. I'd be like, oh, your face right hold your poker face that's why I was like you handled it well with a hundred people I'd be like oh my gosh

now I'm leaving I've walked out of a few sets where I'm just like I can't do this I can't be with it I didn't know that I didn't know there was someone who had

I would have walked out of Drag Race but they wouldn't let us no I wouldn't have walked out Drag Race? okay so insane so I was like

okay so you joined the season 15 which has been crazy that you weren't on before. Oh, yeah, no. I didn't even audition until season 15. Did you have to audition? I did.

I did. Because your daughter, Carrie Coby, was on the first season. She was. The season before, yes. So I just assumed they'd be like, we'll just ask Sasha. She'll come on. The nice thing is, though, I don't know if they've really asked people, but maybe they'll encourage someone to audition. Okay. Yeah. You got encouraged. I like to be going through. I didn't know if they've really asked people, but maybe they'll like encourage someone to audition. Okay.

But yeah. You got encouraged. I like to be going through. I didn't get encouraged. I got encouraged by Carrie and like Sonique and like the other trans people that are on the show already. Yeah. They're like, you got to audition.

I'm like, okay, let's try. But yeah. I like that I went through all the protocols. Yeah. So. To not just be like Carrie. Yeah. Like I earned it. Because it kind of seemed from the just be like here. Yeah. Like I heard.

Because it kind of seemed from the beginning, like that was the first season I watched. That was the first season I ever watched. And now I'm like obsessed. Like in real time. Yeah. In real time. And I just wasn't like familiar,

like, you know, love the drag world. Wasn't familiar with what it was really about. And then I watched it. That was the sugar and spice season. Yes. Yes.

That was when sugar was you. Yeah. So I, a little narcissistic, but when sugar was like, I'm you, I'm Madge. You're like, who is this show that I'm on? Main character. Yeah, I know, I know. Too much. It wasn't good for her, though.

She got booted out that one time. I'm like, so sorry. Do not do me on statue game. But I was so obsessed. I became so obsessed. And I remember specifically when you entered. And everyone was just like, well, we should just go home. And I was just like, oh should just go home like and I was just like oh my gosh who is this like you just came in body just like like just ready to win basically so it looked like you were almost set up just to

win because everyone was so intimidated by you yeah we're like set up to lose if I like drop the ball I was like oh yeah I'm like imagine like if like all that hoopla was happening and then I fumbled. That would have sucked. You don't seem like a fumbler to me. You seem like perfectionist. Yeah, I'm a bit of a perfectionist people pleaser. Have you ever fumbled ever? Stumbled, fall, anything?

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like on stage? Because you did pageants before. Starting like, what, 2005 for you? 2005? God, you are good. Well, I was watching all your Miss Continentals.

I was impressed. Yeah, it was like 2005 and then 2008. And there's no cue card here. No, I do have cue cards, but I don't need them yet. Yes, you were right up there. No, I was, because I'm also obsessed with pageant world. Well, because of what I was saying, you know, I always try to like see the guests, like how they grew up, and we grew up around the same era.

And my gosh, I would have loved to compete in pageants like that would have been my dream i feel like you're like like so pageant ready oh no i competed once and i got no place i didn't even place top 10 so i didn't but watching you because you were really young i mean you had a bit were you i was like 25 21 21 because you had to be 21 to run the pageant so your first ever first the first chance i got i was there how do you even get involved because like how do you get in that world were you doing it as a child um well growing up in like the pageant or growing up in like the drag scene in hawaii was really pageant centric like there were all the girls are just like trans girls and

they really love miss continental and it's Continental was going on since like 1980 so it's it's has a lot of history so when I was growing up that's what I that was like my blueprint they sat me down and made me watch these pageants and so also like just seeing like these beautiful trans women I'm like oh my gosh like sign me up yeah and then really like through dance and um kind of like right when I was transitioning and that was about 18. So a few years before I started doing pageants, but I started transitioning and all my friends started graduating. And everyone was like, I'm going to go be a backup dancer. And they're dancing with like Janet Jackson and Madonna and like Britney. And I'm like, well, what am I going to do?

Like, I would love to be a backup dancer but I don't think at that time it was just like a trans girl like super tall like taller than like the talent you know isn't really someone like you know talent always needs like shorter persons or it's a whole like Hollywood or dance world thing so I just was like there was really no space for me as a trans woman but pageants were like the perfect thing that combined like my dance my transitioning and like my main like my main character in the sets made so that made it all kind of like oh yeah I should just focus all that in pageants and that's where it started yeah the competition vibe yeah that to me and then getting all the gowns like I mean that's expensive too to like. That's why I can never do pads.

My mom's like, that's too expensive. You can't do it. So how did you, were you, like, fundraising? How did you, like, get involved in that? Yeah, we would fundraise. I would, like, have, like, benefit shows. That's how the girls usually do it. You get sponsors.

Like, you run certain pageants that have certain promoters that will help and, like, give you a bit of a package. Have some good friends, be somebody that people want to help, I guess. Yeah. Oh, a lot of favors. Because those dresses are no joke. It's insane. Or have friends that have literally gone blind

rhinestoning a gown for me. And that part is so intense the rhinestone and the details of it it is I don't have the patience can you not I can do a little bit

and then I'm like yeah that's what's always crazy some of my friends they like it yeah like my makeup artist loves it

really yeah oh my god that's insane he'll just I don't know yeah it's like it's patience

and therapy yeah when I watched Drag Race for the first time and I was like patience and therapy yeah when I watched Drag Race for the first time and I was like I loved all the outfits I was so mesmerized so I would like

look up all the designers everyone was using and stuff and then I realized how much like Garo Sparrow like I got oh yeah

the quotes I can get one dress a year like for the Wicked premiere I'm like okay I'll use them V Monique like they're all wonderful yeah oh my god

Monique is so good the best I do all my tour outfits oh I think I literally have the black version you wore on the first trip tour. Yes. It's like with the beads. I got mine in pink to look like that, too.

Because she's like- I just got two from her. Did you? That's silver and a black one. I can't get out of it. They're so good. Oh, the best. And it's like, I've never met her in person.

I just sent the measurements to Chicago. And it fits like a glove. Yeah. So I blame Drag Race for my- Yeah, for our taste level now. Yeah, because I literally just like, I go broke now because I have to have the high quality. Yeah. So I blame Drag Race for my. Yeah. For our taste level now. Yeah. Because I literally just like I go broke now because I have to have the high quality. But it is worth it.

And your pageant gowns too. Like those are like just so insane and so intricate. Insane. Insane. Heavy. Yeah. Heavy. It's like amazing though.

And so you did competed how many years before you won? You won in 2012. I won in 2012. So my first year was 2005. I won in 2012. So my first year was 2005. I got fifth place, first time out, fifth place, which was really wild as like a newcomer. I was like some, like, and I wasn't really, I wasn't thought of as a pageant girl. Like I was this like kind of almost like alternative, artsy, weird, like good talent, but like definitely needed some polishing.

Wow. So I went back the next year, because you get top five, you get an automatic invitation back. So I went back the next year, 2006, and I wasn't ready. And I was definitely like just going because I was excited

and just going to go watch and do all that. And I got into the top 12, but I got 12th place. she got in there you were a finalist yeah yeah but i did win talent i just changed my talent from the first night to the second night so when i found out i won i didn't have my talent costume i had my second talent and that flopped what was it oh it was like well my first talent was fever it was this like jazz number with like fans it was very showgirl and that's what i my first talent was fever it was this like jazz number with like fans it was very showgirl and that's what i won and then we switched it to this like very very odd

number where i played like this like kid who was like a nurse that was like playing with her dolls and one of my dolls came alive and it was crickets whose idea was it it wasn't yours it was mine i was okay i was yeah i was you were just trying something different yeah it's trial and error do you have video of that unfortunately i think it is on youtube i didn't see it i've seen every single clip but i did not but even though all that happened i got a job offer at the the place that the baton owns that the that miss continental the owner of miss continental owns a bar a show club uh in chicago uh called the baton show lounge and it is like a a cabaret style like show and they do three shows

a night five nights a week and it's like these amazing trans performers and beautiful like just gowns and all that every day. And I got a job offer there after flopping. Wow. They saw that after. They're like, you know what? Give her a stage. Let her clean this up. Wait.

That's what just goes to show though is like what one person thinks is like a failure. Like, okay, you like didn't win. Someone else is like, wait, that's so brilliant. Yeah, it's a good opportunity. And then that allowed me to literally be in the place that makes Continental. So I got to watch all these girls that have won. And they were now my coworkers. And it was like drag university.

It was perfect. And I trained there. I studied there from 2006 to 2012 when i won but i went one more time in between that it was 2009 so i got first runner up that time which was good yeah so i went back one last time and i won wow so four times that's amazing yeah and everyone was nice to you everyone Everyone was great. I mean, yeah. I mean, they're as nice as drag can be. Because you're like, everyone helps me. And I'm like, wow, that's not like in the room.

There was, by help. They didn't sabotage you. By help, it wasn't like actively being mean. But it was definitely just watching these professionals. So, like, they helped me by me just observing. Yeah. How they moved and how they, like, because you had to get ready. You were doing two numbers in each show, three shows a night, five nights a week.

So you had to get ready from, like, your opening number with just, like, a cast number. Maybe you have, like, five minutes to get ready and, ready and change your whole look and get into a whole thing. And so I learned how to get in and out of drag really fast and change my makeup really fast and do all these things that just kind of makes you, your muscles ready for competition. And I'm like, yeah, continental. And the baton allowed me to walk

so I could soar at Drag Race. That's brilliant. So you're like living out of like a showgirl life at that point. Oh, absolutely. Like a full on showgirl artist. It felt so cool. It was like my first apartment I ever had was in Chicago. It was like my first rent or like, like light bill I ever had.

I was like, whoa, this is like an adult and like had a paycheck for drag. Like what? Yeah. It was like almost like unheard of probably like and i never okay we never got paid in hawaii like we had we worked off the tips so to like get a paycheck from this was insane at 22 23 oh my gosh yeah that would probably be unheard of because also it's just like so expensive we just talked about doing drag oh yeah expensive the hair the makeup everything now it's insane i back then, like you get away with it. You could put like,

you could have like a little rainbow dress on and a belt. You have a swimsuit, put a belt, you're doing drag. That is literally, we go back to rewatch the first seasons of Drag Race

and I was like, wow. Sponsored by Rainbow. BB heels. The cork. Yeah. I was like, wait, this show changed drastically. I it's like it's made the like the the viewer's eyes so much more critical yes and so much want like so much

more and to like feed me but it's great because i feel like it challenged i mean hopefully challenges us i don't know where we're gonna to go though. We're running out of things to do. I was going to say, it's going to get so intense. Closets are like overflowing. Where do you, yes, I, where do you keep all your outfits? Okay, so. Thank you so much to SeatGeek for sponsoring today's episode. You guys know I love SeatGeek.

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drag. And now I live in a little bigger, so I have, like, a whole room dedicated, a closet just for that, and then, like, another closet for, like, my regular clothes. And then that has overflown so now over um overflowed into one of my drag kids he has some room in his house so now i'm like sight like i've corded off one of his places and just have drag that i probably will never use

it's like a one-time look you know like one of those big like finale looks or you can't really like use them again but you but you don't want to like get rid of them because she doesn't want to party on it yeah that's the thing because no one will pay as much as but one day or like even now it will be iconic someone will want to buy it yeah or like maybe like a retrospective or something yeah or if you get like a vegas residency like britney used to put all her costumes in the lobby yeah which would be kind of up your alley would you ever do something like that? Oh, I would live. Like, just your own show in Vegas.

Yeah. I know they do Drag Race in Vegas. Yeah, they do. But I feel like you're so, like, performance. Like, you've been on tour. You do the theater. You do all the big venues. So I was like, Vegas would be great.

Vegas would be fun. We were – well, actually, when we go on tour next, we're doing our second one-woman show tour. I'm so excited. Strip two. It's one woman, but also there's dancers. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Can't forget. Yeah. So it's a little production. It's a little production. It's kind of production. Yeah. It's very stripped down, though. Like, very kind of just how we used to create in our dance studio, you know, when we were

like kids and kind of making, creating a world that you can imagine on dance studio, you know, when we were like kids and kind of making, creating a world that you can imagine on top of, you know, just a few, few choice things on stage, which I love. Are you putting the show together yourself or do you have like a director? Oh, it's a collaborative experience between a bunch of my friends and I. Most of us, we grew up together in Hawaii and we're all part of the same dance studio. Oh, I love that. So you guys all kept in touch? Yeah. That's amazing. Like 35 years. 30 years. I can't age myself that much. Whoa! 25. Almost 30 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we met when I was two.

Right at the hospital when you were born. Yeah, I started tap dancing. Wait, but that's so cool. So they come on the road with you then too? Yeah, they do. Yeah, but they're all like amazing creatives in like the entertainment business. So luckily I get to have them for a few months and we get to go on this road. We're doing 30 cities this year. Was it 30 or 36 or something? Yeah, it's like 36.

Yeah. You went from 22 last year to 36. Yeah. I love how Trisha knows where this is. Yeah. I was like, well, because girl, 30. I haven't looked that far into the schedule. It's better to be that way.

Yeah. I'm like, girl. Yeah. No, because. You got to take each one each week. 22 is a lot. Because we started at 20 and then we went to 30. So I was like, I'm at 30.

And I was like, God, 36 just seems extra. 36, wow. Just the extra. You know what I mean? I was like, OK. But it's fine. Are you going out on the weekends or are you doing a bus tour? We're doing a bus this time. So we did weekends.

Yeah. We did weekends the first tour. We were traveling on planes. And that was fun. But it was a little hard on the body. You know, just kind of all that stuff. So we got a bus this time. Get to lay down and rest.

And then hit more cities because we're on a bus. Yeah, that's what's nice. I guess they say afterwards you just like drive and then you sleep and you're in the next city. Sleep and then you're in the next city

and yeah, you can enjoy your day and yeah, it'll be fun. We have a good group of people. We're going to get so silly. I was going to say by the end of it.

It's just a bunch of friends acting so silly. Well, it's good when you know everyone. I love the idea of a bus tour. I thought that sounded so fun but then I was thinking of like the bathrooms and having to stop in the middle of. That's a whole thing.

It's like no bathrooms. I was doing a few Christmas queen tours. So it's a bunch of drag queens on a bus. How was that? It's like camp. It's like camp on the road. It's fun. It's like wash, and repeat and you kind of you

know like you get to know these these queens and you get to kind of see how everybody like lives and wakes up and like their habits and i don't know i'm an observer so i love it okay i was like who's it was there any like are you a diva on the road or are you like more just i can go with the flow with anything i'm pretty chill i smoke a lot of so that helps does it i don't know if it like makes people more i don't know i think i'm naturally like anxious so it helps calm me down um but you're doing your own i am yeah which is like crazy i was like oh my god wait i didn't know this this is so exciting so you just did a shoot for it we just did a shoot we're coming out with it um around pride pride is just to be so much fun this year.

Yeah, I work with this company. They're based in New York. So it's state by state. So everything's just in states now as far as laws. So I'm working with this great company in New York. And I have a really fun market there, a lot of queer people that just love drag race. And this particular company, i got to hook up with them because they're queer owned poc only just really things that i love and like um they

do they just believe in a lot of like great community things so they have this company that sells really great weed but they also make these community um events where they'll have like church and everybody comes to like the the park and then they do like you know everyone would like do poetry and like they smoke or they have this doll invasion uh fire island that they have all the trans girls and they're just partying fire island for the weekend and yeah sponsored by flamer so that's the company i'm working with and i love the name too. Like taking it back. Yes. Flamer.

What's your line called? Flamer X Sasha Colby. Okay. Yeah. Nice collab line. So they have like a good amount of already, but they never had like an infused and I might be talking like over your head if you don't smoke.

Yeah, I'm very new to all this, but I'd love to know about it. Okay, I'm going to get a little nerdy. Yeah, please. My pets will love it. But, like, they don't have an infused line. So what infused is, it's a regular joint. But then they add, they'll, like, mix it with some hash. So we're going to mix ours with bubble hash.

And then you roll it in an oil, a THC oil, and they stick different flavors. And I got to test all of those out, which was so much fun. Ooh, wait. I did product testing. This is great. I love that. Do you ever get too high?

I let you know. Okay. Because it sounds fun in theory, but if you're testing all day. Well, you kind of got to let it, I'm like, okay, this is the flavors I want to try today. And then I'll be like, okay, I'll try it early in the morning when it's fresh,

and I'll get its potency, and then I'll try like okay I'll try it early in the morning when it's fresh and I'll get like its potency and then I'll try another like flavor the next day so are you doing like traditional flavors like mint or is it like pizza oh gosh like what you know what I mean like is it food like what is it um it's usually like like uh fruity or like bubble gum but almost like a candy so we tried like yeah yeah so we tried like cantaloupe um uh like a pink rosé so it's kind of like a raspberry rosé kind of flavor and blueberry all these different flavors and i i settled on the uh pink rosé i like the best yeah that sounds like the yummiest very yes very food i think i would try it again i like wanted to when i met moses he'd like all the time but like i don't know if i do it right you know what i mean like i try to smoke it and then i like wasn't like what was i not doing like

not swallowing or something like maybe i wasn't inhaling okay yeah and i couldn't get high and i was like i think this is not working for me so i I like to eat the little gummies. Maybe an edible. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But then I would just fall asleep. So I wasn't. That's true. Yeah. It's a good sleep, though. But you can't yet.

But people who smoke, they're so good. They're so focused. I'm like, maybe I need something like that. Because I don't love taking medication. So I'm like, I would probably need something like that. Maybe after the baby, you might want to try a little more. We did try. During quarantine, I really was trying.

I was like, I need something. Because I was taking Xanax and that wasn't good. So I was like, let me try something else. I am so heavy. Yeah. I was like, let me try something that seems more natural. And yeah. Okay.

That's so cool. We'll see. We'll see. We'll have an after party. Oh, my God. Would love to try with you. That would be fun. I would provide a safe space for sure.

Okay. I love that. Because, yeah, I don't know anything about anything. But it does sound fun. And would provide a safe space for sure. Okay. I love that. Because, yeah, I don't know anything about anything, but it does sound fun. And you were saying it's like you don't do the vape. You do the smoking. I do everything. But what we're selling right now is just going to be the pre-roll line. Love that.

And then maybe we'll explore. I was looking at some vape options. So that would be fun. That's very Gen Z. We were talking about this before. And Gen Z has embraced us, which has been great. options so that's fun that's very genzy we were talking about this before and genzy has has embraced us which has been great because when you're a millennial you're like okay we have our people that followed us for some time but genzy really is the ones that's like yeah tick talking

about you and just like worshiping you making those views go up yeah isn't it you have no idea why yes do you ever think that you're like who's blowing me up right now? Yeah, or like, why this video? That's what always gets me. I always wonder, yeah. What's like your biggest one where you're like, hmm, this is odd. Why do people like this so much that people come up to you and they're like, do you have one? Not like people come up to me. It's like just stuff like those things are like on Drag Race.

Like they'll want to quote things, but I'm not memeable like you yet like you yet you are so well you are beyond the meme because you're actually talented your dancing is insane like the finale i remember when we were watching it i was like because you didn't really have to like ever lip sync for your life because you were always yeah no i didn't have to until the end and then we're like then you came out and i was just like what the hell like that was the most insane performance i've ever seen. I didn't realize, obviously now I know you like grew up dancing, but insane. Thank you. Like who were you watching back in Hawaii when you went to the dance studio that you were like, I want to, you said, you mentioned Janet and stuff.

Like Paula, Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul. Who else was I loving? Have you met her? Cause she collapsed so much. Yeah. I love her. Did you do a clap with her? No, not yet.

I took a couple of pictures with her. I think we were at like an after party for the Oscars or something. Yeah, she was so sweet. Did you go up to her or she went up to you? Her makeup artist knows we know each other. So I got to see him and then I was like, hello, Paula. By the way, you are also very tiny. You said she was tiny.

When we stopped for a picture, I was like, wait, you're also very tiny. You said earlier you couldn't be a backup because you're so – but you're kind of petite, actually. Oh, thank you. So I think you could have been a backup dancer. Thank you. I guess me around a bunch of – I was the only tall Hawaiian or non-Asian person in my whole class. So I always felt a little bigger, taller. Taller than the rest.

Yeah, I see. By comparison. They're normal. Their norm was like – So you felt a little – yeah. the rest yeah i see by comparison they're normal their norm was like so you felt a little yeah which is good for dancing now you're like known as like body like stand down in the middle and that's a good way to be and did your butt were you always i was like oh backup dancer no let me just come over here in the front yeah that's better let me be the star i know ashley simpson used to dance backup for jessica and i was like that's crazy i can never have that that's right i do love it but i'm also just like i don't know yeah you want to be yeah i actually love me

some ashley simpson that album i love her too it's like my millennial like i that and that was like my like during my beginning of transitioning and i had cut my hair and like platinum blonded to look like ashley simpson i like this black had cut my hair and platinum blonded to look like Ashley Simpson. Really? I had this black chunk in my hair. Just doing pieces of you. I kind of love that. Oh, yeah.

Were you singing it? Were you performing it in your room? I was totally performing it at the club. Pieces of you. It really is good. That was a good one. She got such a weird hate train after SNL. I know.

I mean, everyone. Everyone lip syncs. Everyone lip syncs. Everyone lip syncs, which is crazy. But no one did the Irish jig like she did. Yeah, and that was iconic. That was so iconic. Are you Irish? I am.

Gosh, you're good. So how was the jig? I was like, wait. I remember reading this somewhere and I was like, wait, what? Irish but not practicing, I guess you could say. Did you approve of the Irish jig? Did you do that? Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah, I actually have dosidozed like that a few times. Just start doing it. Just start doing it. Have you been over to Ireland? I did. I have been, yeah. So do you have family? You know, I don't know.

I haven't 23 and made, so I'm not too sure. My mom's side is the half white, half Hawaiian. And then my dad is Hawaiian. So I know where his like his lineage goes but we it's kind of gets a little muddy when you talk to my mom's side so they're just like i don't really know yeah it's like i mean her last name was smith oh like good luck yeah there's a lot of those well i don't think you want to try 23andme now they just had a big privacy breach even spitting in we did one like ancestry like, spitting in the thing seems odd

to give your DNA. Yeah. I don't know. Spit and give. Like, send it off in the mail. Yeah, I sent mine off, and then it came back. Seems very intimate. That's what I was thinking.

Who's getting this? What are they doing? I heard you just, like, get alerted when you're, like, related to someone. I don't need these people knowing. Yes. No. Absolutely not. Because at the woodwork, someone comes, like, oh, I'm related to you, and then they, like, come to your house, and you're, like, I don't need these people knowing yes no absolutely not can i turn that woodwork someone comes like oh i'm related to you and then they like come to your house and you're like i

don't know you at all no please like can i get that notification off yeah just don't spit it don't do it i recommend not doing it yeah it's literally in my like in a drawer yeah that i've had for like four years you're like not doing it. Yeah. When I was bored during pandemic, I was like, let me find all my heritage. Instead I drank. Oh, well that's a better option. Honestly, that's how you knew.

You're like part Irish. I was, I was, uh, like connecting with that side of my heritage. Well, you know, your Kobe family history. So that's all that matters.

Yeah. That really does matter. Are you close with your mom and dad and family? Not particularly. No, I don't talk to, I don't really talk to my family. Yeah, my father's passed away and I'm like, I don't really talk to my mom. And I have one niece that I like, I'm super close with. Like I kind of raised her.

And she lives in Portland now. She's well in her 30s. Well, she's actually 30. She's 10 years younger than me. And she has two kids and she's in Portland now. She's well in her 30s. Well, she's actually 30. She's 10 years younger than me. And she has two kids and she's doing great and so she's like my blood family but like literally like a drag daughter.

I would make her take me everywhere. Like she would have to take me to drag shows and like help me in the back and so she really put in the groundwork. Wow. That sounds like a dream come true actually to get to help you. She doesn't even know how like cool she is

like in the queer world. Really? How much like she's like figured out from me and like use that when you go out there in the straight world please yeah oh my god is she like fabulous too then she's super fab yeah she's so fab oh i love and you you grew up religious your family was like jehovah's witness super yeah so how did you get out of that oh i mean just kept on flipping this hair and then they were like, go away. Oh, were they? Do you think they were dismissive? Well, they were kind of like, ah, you're like way too feminine.

And it was like, yeah, like people, you know, in church, they just whisper a lot. And so it was getting awkward. And I think it was like in 14. I was like, I don't like this. Like at 14, I knew I'm like. You felt the judgment. you felt the judgment i felt the judgment i felt like the the giggles and like my my sin of being gay or feminine or whatever like a 14 year old doesn't even realize that they are it's just being projected and they're like kind of told what you are and then told that what you are naturally is bad. So it was a real mind mess. And then I'm watching these people

and they're such hypocrites because that guy is laughing at me for being gay, but you just got this girl pregnant, but you're dating her cousin. And like, oh, but you guys are going to be fine. I know. I don't want like... The hypocrisy.

Yeah. And I can't even stand like an hour to on a sunday with you people why would i want like everlasting life in heaven you're like get me out of this get me out of this but then my family was like yeah i get it but i sometimes wonder if it was just because it was easy to just be like yeah you don't have to come so we don't have to explain you either. So they continued to go even when you left. Yeah.

And I would be at home and the brothers and sisters would come and I would have to hide upstairs while they were visiting. Like their own brothers and sisters would come? No, of the congregation. They would come and pay house calls. And then they just used you go in the room yeah i couldn't even imagine that as like a teenager it sucks yeah it's like locked away like yeah like love you but go away like shame so were you was your were your parents supportive outside of that though outside of the church like just when you're home no like it was just really

yeah all of them were really in in drank all the kool-aid for sure like all my brothers and sisters so it was a hard one but um it's funny when you like win a competition about doing something that they made fun of you about how they come along um they probably would if i would have let them in okay so they tried maybe isn't that interesting because then is there any part of you that was like even though they treated you so horribly where you're just like, even though they treated you so horribly, where you're just like, well, at least they can see me now. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah.

I'm a Leo for sure. Right, right. Because even now just seeing you on TV just everywhere, you think they're like watching and being like, oh, damn. Oh, I'm sure they're irritated. Yeah. And they never try to reach out though. No, they're like pretty.

They get it. They're pretty stubborn too. Like they're probably like, don't want to. That's why you gotta support your kids. Yeah. They're going to, you're kind of, they're going to take care of you. Yeah. Like be nice to them.

They're going to take care of you when you're old. They would be all over the world with you. This lavish lifestyle. Oh, I would have spoiled. Oh my gosh. Makes Christmas easy though. Yeah, that's true. It does, honestly.

They weeded themselves out. It was perfect timing. Yeah. It was nice. And it's good that you were able to like find support outside of that then yeah and then you just realized oh my queer family was just the ones that never gave up and never like judged like celebrates you so yeah that's always important and dear to my heart so those are the people i'm gonna live my life with yeah yeah there's a reason why mukbangers win every professional eating contest just like dear to my heart. So those are the people I'm going to live my life with. Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason why mukbangers win every professional eating contest, just like there's a reason why Morgan & Morgan is America's largest injury law firm.

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but we didn't have, in my school, she was like about, like she went to a dance company and she would always have her ballet slippers like tied to her backpack. I thought she was so cool. Oh, that's, yeah. But of course she would get teased for being the one ballet girl.

Really? It's so weird. Kids are so weird. Kids are so weird. They have like something that they're like dedicated to and they're really good at. They're like, you're weird. Yeah, that's awful. How dare you have goals? Yeah. How dare you

be talented at something? So she introduced you. Yeah, she kind of was like, I think it was like play dancing for like a homeschool pride or like a homeschool pride. A homeschool pride? I know. Not pride. I wish. Like a homeschool like homecoming.

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. They should have homeschool pride though. They need homeschool pride. um like a whole homeschool like um homecoming okay yeah they should have homeschool pride they need homeschool pride um so like a little homecoming yeah we were doing like a little dance off within like each uh class like the sophomores were battling the seniors kind of thing and i was up there and she was like you should come to dance like my dance class like really and that's where i found like my best friends who like were like you are so gay i'm like no i'm not because i was so scared and kind of coming out of the church and still didn't want to like i didn't really say that i was or my parents we never like addressed it it was just more like stop acting so feminine and speak before i transitioned so it was just a little

it was a rocky road and my my friends definitely were like, girl. Were you happy? Or were you kind of like, oh, no, I don't want to like, yeah. Oh, like literally. I knew, but I just, it was such a small island. Everyone knows each other. I just thought it was going to be like gossipy. I just was assuming from what I knew, which was like the gossipy people at the church.

I was just so nervous for some reason and it was like kind of my parents were like not really they were still like you better not be you know like that kind of thing so i also too was on edge and then um my best friend like after i don't know ballet class or something was like asking me something i was like yeah i like girls he's like you do and then he like flies me this like um like a little magazine or like a brochure and it was a program for a trans drag pageant called miss universal show queen and on the cover was the current reigning pageant girl and she was this beautiful hawaiian girl named kaina jacobs this was like in 2000 2000 2001 or two and like he was like do you think she's beautiful i'm like yes and i think maybe he kind of knew maybe i would have been like more feminine not maybe just gay but like trons yeah yeah so he's like she's beautiful right you got to come to a show with me and so i went to

this show that night it was my first drag show i ever saw and it was like that moment, she's beautiful, right? You got to come to a show with me. And so I went to this show that night. It was my first drag show I ever saw. And it was like that moment in She's All That where she walks into the gymnasium. Yeah, the red dress. Like, yeah. And everyone sees. It's like you're at home. You found your people.

Wow. And I'm like, sign me up. And I saw trans drag there. It was so cool. Wow. I still remember that show. there. It was so cool. Wow. I still remember that show. Oh my gosh. So vividly.

And that's so progressive back then because even RuPaul's Drag Race didn't have a trans one until 2018, was it? Yeah. So that was back in 2004 or something. Yeah. And it was really nice. I feel like Trans Drag was very like regional. Like they had, we had a lot in Hawaii.

There's a lot in Texas. There's a lot in Miami andi there's a lot in texas there's a lot in miami and like florida lots in atlanta but a lot of west coast or maybe just like mainstream media they didn't really have a lot of trans women doing drag you know they were just relegated to doing like sex work or being fetishized or being murdered so for us to like actually who started the art to be part of the art now is like really exciting Yeah, and then you you started with drag then at 17. Yeah. Yeah, and then okay ready ready for the timeline Yeah, 17 drag. Okay, 18 graduated 19

How old were you when you got 19 You just don't run into it. I flipped that cap. Wait. Yeah. Oh, that's exciting. How old were you when you got? I was 19. Yeah. 19. I started seeking hormones and like doing that while I was graduating. Like, yeah. Oh my gosh. I was being all stealth.

Oh. Isn't that the best too? And then it got so weird. Like I was looking so in the middle. I had to like make a decision. Oh, yeah. So I was like, okay, I have to like. Did you have the Ashley Simpson haircut at this point?

It was almost there. It was like, it started as like Zac Efron kind of, you know? Oh, love that, though. Like High School Musical. Oh, my favorite. And then it was trying to get to Ashley Simpson. Okay, you have to go. Oh, so you didn't even wear wigs. You're doing your real hair at this point. Yes, and then I was like flat ironing it and just like

Paul Mitchell platinum. You probably look so hot, though, actually. That's actually kind of... And it was like pussycat doll time. So it was like the belt for a skirt. And like you really didn't need a lot. It was like a corset and jeans. And with your body, did you have your belly out then too? Oh yeah, always.

That was, I wanted my belly out so bad. I was too self-conscious, but that was the time to wear it out. But that low rise was so hard. And it was coming back, I see. That centimeter of a zipper. It looked good though. Can I say I miss it? Like I could never pull it off, but the high waisted now just doesn't do it for me. I loved the low waisted. I do. That's a centimeter of a zipper. It looked good, though. Can I say I miss it? I could never pull it off, but the high-waisted now just doesn't do it for me.

I love the low-waisted. I do. I do look a little more relaxed. Yeah, because your stomach, you got to show it off. But yeah, getting boobs was interesting. I remember mine was 21 when I got my boobs, and I was just like, I loved it. It was just such an empowering feeling. I don't know.

I still love it. I know big boobs are not a thing anymore. People are brilliant at no boobs these days, which is cute. I like it, too. I love Lily Rose Depp, but I'm. I know like big boobs are not a thing anymore. People are brilliant at like no boobs these days, but which is cute. I like it too. I love like Lily Rose Depp, but I'm Y2K big boobs. Okay.

We like that. When you did the barbed wire, I was just like, icon. That was when I really like fell in love with you because Pam is like the icon. She's a, yeah,

she's a role model. She's the pink print. Oh my God. I love that. She is the pink print. And you're just, everything about it was like the glam everything about it was just like so it was so fun to do the way you can like get into a

character is like again i just love it so much i like appreciate that art form so much i think that's why i like like acting i can lose myself and like one of these voices in here yeah it can be a character yeah i hear voices too sometimes it's a little. Like when is the problem? Like when you hear them or when you start answering? I think when you answer. That's why I always ask my therapist. Because I was saying the same thing. I was like, wait, I feel like I hear.

No one's ever thought that of me. Because I would hear them and I'm like, everyone says, okay, their inner voice is their whatever. Yeah, but do you talk back? Yeah. Have you? Absolutely. We argue. We go back and forth.

Okay, that's wild. We have a debate. You don't have to talk about this if you don't want, but do you have mental illness in your family? Your mom had bipolar. Yeah, she's bipolar. And how is that dealing with it? My sister's actually diagnosed bipolar at a young age, so she

went the route of medicine, and my mom was just really not about doing that for herself so i i saw like what treated and or you know diagnosed and treated and untreated undiagnosed uh bipolar is and it is hard in both you know because like i would see my sister being a bit of a shell and she would be so medicined up and like she would just be like kind of like an empty blank. And it was hard to see when she would have episodes. And the wild thing is with my mom, like she,

I just, I just assumed that like, I just assumed mothers were crazy. Oh, okay. You thought everyone was like, yeah, they just would go up and down.

And then I went to like a friend's house. Yeah. And I was like, that's how moms act. Like, oh, like that is so wild. And I remember my best friend,

Lindsay, we were like playing with my nieces outside and we were like riding little tricycles like with my niece and we were like in high school and my nieces were younger my mom started yelling she was having one of her episodes that we all just were like yeah it's just her going she threw a fork at me and it like landed in my arm and my friend was like i'm never coming back here again like she's like i was like freaking out and she still so to this day tells me that story and i'm like that but she's still my best friend from then which is wild but and what did you think of it

oh my it's crazy it's crazy how you like as a kid because i you're, you're the person who's supposed to keep you safe is there and they're not. So you are going to assume that you're safe. You know, as a kid, you're just going to make sure that, oh, like I'm actually fine. These people are okay. Because you can't call a lawyer. You can't call CPS. You can't do anything.

So you literally will make it work and then become a really good people pleaser when you're an adult. Oh no, no. Yeah. That's my biggest fear. I have borderline personality disorder. And then when I have children, that was like my – definitely like, okay, I need to get it together because I would snap. I would spiral.

And it's like – it's the scariest thing. And obviously, like you said, kids are so helpless in this situation. And so being a daughter of your mom having bipolar and having those, like, it's like not okay. And you're so cool because you've like – you can like, it's like not okay. And you're so cool because you've like, you can like laugh it off and stuff like that. But I would imagine it set something off, you know, it has to be some sort of like trauma, even if you don't feel it. No, it's manifested in so many ways in my life. Absolutely. Yeah, I try to handle it

with a bit of grace. And but yeah, it's so it's so hurts or so hits and still trying to like navigate that and understand and like not um continue the cycle you know not take those habits because knowing like oh i maybe am not a narcissist or i don't have narcissist personality disorder right but i was raised by one so all i know is a narcissist traits and so i had to unlearn that and and not attract that like do you find in your like adult life that you're able because you kind of want zero contact with her that was your way of handling it yeah so that's like a good way but do you find like later on in life where you're attracting people like your mother absolutely yeah yeah and

i can i can definitely tell that or sometimes when i'm my mother you know and like yeah and like situations of of you know just random situations of how I would handle stress. It would be like, Ooh, like I'm getting a bit like her. And that's, that's something I got to monitor. Like why, you know, where did that come from? Yeah. Cause that's like the hardest part is not like, I couldn't recognize it. Like my triggers or my spiral, you know what I mean?

So it's like the fact that you could recognize it as amazing. I think I was always like obsessed with her as like a case study as a kid because i really really wanted to fix her like oh if we just like tell her to like chill out and like everything will be fine and like we're not the enemy all these things and it just wasn't clicking and you know then that develops like to an adult being like having like crazy control issues. And then, you know, those things will manifest. But just like, just watching and observing how she was really made me like want to understand myself and like my brain and constantly question

if I, you know, have some sort of mental illness or anything like that. And having it in my family, even another sister, it's pretty common, especially in like a lot of Hawaiian families. You know, there's a lot of undiagnosed, untreated mental illness that it's just not talked about too. Like it's like, you know, it's a sign of weakness to identify that. And then you're just giving your kids really bad habits.

Yeah, that you just can't live like that kids really bad habits yeah yeah to live like that yeah to not show up as like a good human you know in the world it's the untreated part for sure because you know i've gone through therapy and like group therapies and it's like when you finally get that diagnosis and you get the help like it just like oh yes you talk about it and then it like lifts it gets less by just like you think you're going to talk about it it's going to make it worse yeah but actually talk to monster it actually makes it like go away and they become like this little controllable thing yes controllable is like a manageable manageable yes because it never goes away but like to manage it it's like you have to do it for your family but it's it's amazing that

you got that at like such a young age yeah and i swear I think like my queerness, my transness to like kind of cut through that and to see like, you know, um, the choices I was making were really, uh, grounded in, in being a good person and, you know, wanting to take care of myself and, and not just listening to what the church or what, you know, my parents were telling me. That's why I, yeah, I looked at the queer community too, for that reason, because it telling me. That's why I, yeah, I looked at the queer community too for that reason, because it's just like embracing and just like, I don't know, just embracing everyone and like, you know, just making everyone feel like accepted where church is supposed to be that,

family is supposed to be that. And it's just not for a lot of people. No, it's just so operated on fear. Yeah. You know, families are just, moms and dads are just conditioned to like be fearful of their kids leaving, of them doing something wrong so they can control it. And that's how church and government operates. I know.

I hope in like 2025 or 2035 it changes. Have you gone back to your like island and is it more open now where people aren't making fun of the femboys or anything like that? You know, Hawaii is an interesting little like microcosm because it like like everyone knows like a trans person or everyone knows like another mahu or like their cousin is one or their sister's one so it's not really that like uncommon to see but i don't i feel like there's still this level of them and us also like which is which is fine but like when when when topics come about for all of us to like help each other i think like sometimes the straight community doesn't really um you know fall in line with us or like help us out but we're always there helping everyone that's the thing i

know it really is true i just yeah it yeah. Hopefully it will change like that. I think, you know, I talk to people who have kids now and stuff like that and it's like they don't really put – like they don't have to come out as anything. You know, it just becomes – The gen's here. So I tell you. They're really – They're helping.

And that's my thing too. I always think that like on TikTok, I really like appreciate this whole like new world that just opened and there's no labels even about anything. And I think it's like so beautiful to see and hopefully it – It it's like what we fought for yeah like we were just trying to exist for and you're seeing it in real time for us which is nice like they'll stand up and be like you are not doing that you are not calling them that this is a pro dance do you love do you love to see it because you've been there from like our generation like early 2000s where it was just like not even not accepted but just like not talked about. Not even talked about. Yeah.

So now it's like very open and very appreciated by like so many people. Do you like love seeing the- I love seeing it. I love seeing the growth and like the normalization of it

which is great and it just needs to keep on being and just like being like another like another cloud in the sky. Yeah. And you're like

such a huge part of it too and I like watch you in interviews and stuff like that. It's like just you being you, you know, is like so inspiring. I think it's so great. Thanks. Thank goodness.

I don't know anything else. Yeah. No, it's not the case too. It's like it's so much easier just to be yourself than like try and be someone else. Yeah. We're both going to be at World Pride in June at Washington, D.C. Are you excited? It's my first Pride. Really?

Performing. Yeah. I've gone to like WeHo Pride. But like World Pride. Have? Performing. Yeah. I've gone to like, but like world pride. I've never, well, I've done world pride in New York. I think like 2018, 19. It was like before pandemic. It was really fun. It was so fun. It was wild. What'd they say? Like 35,000 people are going to be there. I was like, my shows are like 2000 people. So I'm just like, Oh no, 35,000. It's going to be insane.

It's wild. I can't wait. Do you know what day you're going? Friday or Saturday? I'm on Saturday. Oh no, we're on opposite days. Oh,

that might work then. Wait, what? Oh, you'll be Friday. Oh, you'll be there Friday. Okay.

Awesome. I'll be there. In addition to. I will watch you on Friday. Okay. And then you'll come see me on Saturday. I would love to. Yes.

Oh my, I've never seen you like live in your performance. See, that's why we're not supposed to be on the same day. Right. So we can see each other. Thank God we're not the same day. If I had to go like before you or after you, I'd be like, no, absolutely not.

Because I looked at the lineup and I said yes, just because I got the, I was like, oh, they asked, okay. Broke bread, yeah. But then when I saw, it's like Sasha, Kobe, RuPaul, Slater, JLo, Troye Sivan. I was like, what the heck? I know, now they got Dochi and like Cynthia Erivo. Oh my God, it's insane. They're on Sunday, so we can watch them. Okay, yeah, I'm

so excited. So are you doing what you would do on Strip, on your tour? For this, it's more like I have a couple of Pride numbers that I've been working on, some good mixes and I'll be rotating it for the season. And yeah, it'll be really fun. You're bringing dancers? Not for this one. Okay, you're gonna go solo out there? Yeah, solo. I'll be rotating it for the season. And yeah, it'll be really fun. You're bringing dancers?

Not for this one. You're going to go solo out there? Yeah. Solo, I'll be doing like some numbers and they'll be talking and then doing a little more dancing. That's when the talent pays off. When you're like a good dancer,

that's all you need. I need all. I can lose myself for a good 15. Like I'm like, okay, cool. That's like the truest performer to go out there by yourself. Like honestly, like I know you obviously can.

We've seen it, but it's just like, I need tips on it for sure. Well, that's the the truest performer to go out there by yourself like honestly like i know you obviously can we seen it but it's just like i need tips on it for sure well it's that's the hard thing it's like speaking of tips like i usually will do like a long 15 minute number if i'm collecting tips and like brunch oh right but it's like okay i'm on stage yeah that's it right so yeah like it's a whole different world yeah it's a different beast but yeah, I'm doing it now more often. It's been – it's easier than just like a five-minute number. Yeah. But you go like full acrobatics, gymnastics. You do like everything.

I give illusions. I allude to that. Well, you allude really well because I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm like, if you really watch, I'm not. I'm just kind of rolling on the ground. Wait, really? You're so graceful because I remember, oh, my gosh. I was like, you did your nails. I'm like, if you really watch, I'm not. I'm just kind of rolling on the ground. Wait, really? You're so graceful. Because I remember, again, the finale just being like, how are they doing?

The stage is so little. It's just like, I'd be falling off that stage. It's insane. And the heels, too. And the heels. And it was kind of, I think it was a bit slippery. Because it was that shiny floor. What do you do in that situation?

I just kind of grip. Amazing. I've been wearing sneakers lately because I could do a kitten heel. Everyone gave Mistress on your season for a kitten heel. It helps. I love it. Especially when you're on stage for so long. Yeah, or this season was Corey King with the heels and Rue called her out

and I was like, but honestly, we need those. And last year was Safiya's heel. Remember Safiya had the same heel? Have you ever worn a kitten heel? Oh, yes. I mean, I had a kitten heel boot that I would like just dance into the ground. Yeah, because it's easier. It's like a little booty. I got it from like Akira one time.

But you don't wear it on Drag Race. No, no. I mean, I dance that into the ground. I lost that with the pandemic, probably. Did you ever take heel classes? How did you learn? Oh, yeah. You did?

Yeah. Well, heels classes came after I feel like I was already in heels. So I just kind of always put on the drag boots. Just always in the beginning. Yeah. I was always on my tippy toes. I would call it my invisible heels. Oh, so you just practiced like that. I was was walking around in tippy toes as a kid.

So it kind of just felt better. Wait, as a kid? As a kid. Did you think of it as heels or you were just naturally doing it? I was fully thinking I was in my glass slippers. Oh my gosh, that is such a serve. Of course your parents are like, good stuff. No, I love it. My girl's two and a half and she does makeup. I'm like, please learn makeup so you can do my makeup one day. Like if she learned heels early, I'd be so proud because I can never walk in heels. You know what I mean? I'd be like, that's everything.

Oh, no, that's the coolest thing, actually. I would embrace it more. I'm like, let's do the walk. Let's model. Yes, one more time. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's actually.

If you ever need a patchy coach for your daughter. I tell him all the time. I'm like, we're putting her in patent because that's what i wanted so bad that's actually on my algorithm is so much like miss like universe walks and miss philippines it's just all what that's the thing that'll make me smile yeah like just automatic i can watch a pageant and just see a girl get crowned i know watch your smile during swimsuit and i'm just so happy yeah and you've been in there you've been there so you know i haven't even been there, but I still... Do you remember the movie Drop Dead Gorgeous?

Yes. I loved it. Voice of an angel, that one. That was the movie, and I wanted to be in beauty pageants so bad because of it. So good. I do love it. Have you ever done... You should do a reality show. Who's Miss Kim in

the South? You know, the one where she teaches the girls how to do everything. You should do a reality show. Who's Miss Kim in the South? The one where she teaches the girls how to do everything. You should do it where you teach. I guess you have an upcoming drag artist competition. You do that in your shows? I did that on my show. It started as my opening act, but we incorporated them in the show. Every city I went to was a different drag artist from that city. I got to showcase them and they got to represent their hometown or wherever they're from.

And yeah, it was really great. And I had like the internet decide. Like we, we picked everyone, like everyone, there was like so many audition tapes, like 600 audition tapes for 20 cities. And I sat and watched them all. You did? Yeah. And then i have like

like a hard time being the bad guy so i was like i picked the top three and i made the internet like vote 600 is wild yeah oh my god that your show is like drag race people just like it was really fun and then a couple other girls that were opening like cory king lana jure oh they opened for you they opened for me yeah oh my gosh it was wild uh love him do you like do you watch the current season now yeah yeah that's so good to see him i'm excited the top four i know i've been excited too i just i literally was like i dm them all the time because i just get really into it because of your season i really got into everyone you know what i mean obviously i watched but then i was like when obviously when i saw you you, I was like, oh, my God.

And then I loved Mistress because I related. I was like, OK, can't heal Queen. Like, I just, you know. And then watching all the seasons after, it's been amazing. Bob the Drag Queen, he recently said, we met him at Wicked. And he was amazing. But he recently said that if RuPaul is to retire, which probably at some point would step down from Drag Race, you would be the best host for it.

Is that what Bob said? Yes. Are you serious? No. Why didn't your Bob say that? Wow. Would you ever consider it if RuPaul stepped down? Oh, I mean, 100.

I mean, I feel like I love doing it already. Yeah. And people look to you because I was thinking with the show, if everyone's like 600 people submitting for your tour, they think of you as now like, yeah, drag mother to everyone. That's amazing. I would love that. love that yeah yeah like hosting a show i would love to yeah especially something like drag and just like helping what helping the people who are about to shape what drag is that would be amazing to have a hand in it it would be so cool because i watched earlier seasons and rue was a lot more like in the workspace in the earlier. And it would be so cool to see you. Because you are so not only knowledgeable, but you're so good at teaching too. So I just feel like that would be

the perfect thing. It would be a lot of fun. I do get excited about that. Would you ever do All-Stars? Did they ask you? They haven't asked me. I don't think there's an All-Stars All-Winners coming out yet. Maybe when there's All-Winners. Oh, so it's people who't think there's an All-Stars All-Winners coming out yet. So maybe when there's All-Winners. Oh, so it's people who haven't won yet on All-Stars. Yeah. Oh, okay. So they had one All-Winners season right before ours aired.

Yeah. You gotta watch that one. That was so good. Who won? Jinx. Jinx and, well, it was like two different, you gotta watch it. It's so good. Ooh, I love Jinx.

I didn't, see, I don't know her lore like that. I know her now, obviously, because she's like a theater girlie. Have you seen her in the Pirates of I love Jinx I didn't see I don't know her lore like that I know her now obviously because she's like a theater girl yeah have you seen her in the Pirates of Penzance

I haven't I want to see it and then she was on Doctor Who I didn't get to see that she's just Little Shop of Horrors she's just so great

Little Shop I was like so gay because that's like the dream role I was like when I saw her in that Chicago Chicago

just she's just doing it she's a true theater kid and like loves it andago just she's just doing it she's just she's a true theater kid and like loves it and like just an actress just so good so funny she was in your homestretch series she was she came to the show she was i think doing little shop when we were there in new york and her nymphia stopped by and just on just like like an old school actress. It was just wild to watch.

Like a star. Like the old Hollywood star. Just has presence. And you know those New York theater people, they just know how to command. Even telling a story in a room, you're like, is this a play? Is this a scene? We're in it. Where's the camera?

Just on, just on all the time. Yeah, that was so cool to see in that she was so funny like she had the best line in the whole home stretch she was uh talking about because i was like oh we're waiting because there's a there was like a conference with a bunch of like former presidents and so everything was backed up the traffic was not getting people in and And she was like, well, my first one woman show I had here in New York and the Pope was in town. She's like, and that's the second time religion screwed me over. I mean,

like without a beat, like so smart, just so clever. So funny. I know her, her standup on drag race was so good too. Cause we're like, I said,

we're backlogging now. We're going backwards. So I think we're now on now. We're going backwards. So I think we're now on the Gia Gunn, Bianca season. Okay. That's like six or eight. Six I think. Yeah. So we're building up.

You did. Five was great. Five was wild. With Roxy. Oh wow. But even like the challenges and just like. I don't know. It's just such a different time.

I don't know how long ago that was. They were like. That was so wild. Because those girls. That was a wild wild west. They didn't know what was going on. It's just such a different time. I don't know how long ago that was. They were like, that was so wild because those girls, that was a wild, wild west. They didn't know what was going on. Yeah. They just threw them something like, let's see if this works.

Oh my God. And it was like, some worked and some didn't, but they were down. The girls were down to play. They were. Like, yes and. It was giving America's Next Top Model. Like, it was giving like, is this okay?

Are you going to shave her head? Yeah. That's what it was giving. I was like, damn, they really go all in and then season one was it raven is she does she do rupaul's makeup now yes yes she does someone just told me that they were like oh yeah raven's like the i was like so crazy oh yeah keep it in the fam i love that oh my god no it's it's amazing and then um reality tv would you ever do that you know it's so wild because for someone who's been on a reality tv competition show i really don't watch a lot of reality tv it just gets me like socially anxious survivor traders i used to watch survivor a lot

and if i do watch it's like survivoror, Big Brother. Ooh. Or like cooking reality shows. Like top chef and like. That's you at eight. You said you were like cooking and pretending you were on TV. Yeah. So that's what it, that's like my sweet spot. So maybe, would you do Celebrity Chef or Celebrity Big Brother first? Oh gosh.

Probably Celebrity, like Celebrity Master Chef. Or I really want to do Celebrity Jeopardy. I'm like an undercover trivia freak. Wait, really? Yes. Do you do the competitions? Yes, my friends are laughing. Wait, really?

Are you just doing it in the car or are you doing the competitions? Oh, I want to do on the show. Go on to Jeopardy. Oh my gosh. Celebrity Week. Would you do regular Jeopardy? Not pop culture one. Not the condos one. The one that they have the celebs in. A little easier. Okay. But do you play Jeopardy? Oh my gosh. Celebrity Week. Would you do, and regular Jeopardy, not pop culture one, not the Colin Jost one. Um, like the one that they have the

celebs in, like a little easier. Okay. But do you play Jeopardy, like you watch it on TV? Yeah, like, I love it. Wait. Yeah, because I did read you were like a history, you're like like history and stuff. Thank you. Like, that's crazy. That's so, like, it's something you wouldn't think, now that you said that, I was like, wait, did I read this wrong? Like, so you love, did you like

school, or you just like learned on your own? Yeah, I kind of like loved, I liked history and um, like literature, like I love like did you like school or you just like yeah i kind of like loved i liked history and um like literature like i love like greek mythology anything like escapism anything that took me out of this reality so i just and i also just love like learning all the mistakes we've done and watching us do it again it's so funny i think we're supposed to try and learn so we're not learning isn't it crazy yeah it's just like, we're kind of stuck there in the same thing. Yeah, just in a loop. So it's funny to watch it all come together.

But I don't know, I just, I find it fascinating just to like know things. But yeah, all that stuff is good, like Greek mythology, like that is kind of like.

Yeah, and like then that, like Greek mythology, like in love with that during like elementary and then that going into loving X-Men, like Marvel Comics, like superpowers during like elementary and then that going into loving x-men like marvel comics like superpowers was like the trans gay powers that was always like the thing that was gonna be like

your biggest power but people made fun of it and like just gravitated towards that you should be in the new avengers doomsday wait is there is there no trans superhero? I think there are a few that are written that are non-binary or trans, but never have been portrayed in pop culture yet. As their superpower, like in a movie or something. Yeah, or maybe it's a little character in certain comic books. Oh my gosh. That would be... Some nice uncharted territory that I think we need to dive into. You and me, the hottest superheroes. Because you already have the body. All the girl superheroes have the hot body. Yeah, I think we need to dive into. The hottest superhero.

Because you already have the body. All the girl superheroes have the hot body. Yeah, I've got to get it now. Oh, my God. I feel like it's better than ever. I was looking at some of your recent stuff and I was like, damn, that body is amazing. It's pure stress. Awful airport food.

Can you eat whatever you want when you go to the airport? No, that's the hard part. You can't have a Cinnabon everything's in plastic wrap or fast food so what do you do when you travel I'm currently in that travel mode prepack

prepack like snacks I'm a snacker I like pretzels I like a little sweet or I'll just kind of wait until i get to the place and like have like something really good yeah of that city do you do that yes see like what's the popping thing love that i always love that we love going like i love love getting super stoned finding like a cool restaurant to eat at and like going to the museum and like just like kind of like and then like just super

sewn and like look at art it's like oh super fun and like random neighbor in like random cities oh my gosh you just go and stare at it stare at art yeah i love that it's kind of everything what's your favorite like after smoking what's your favorite like food that you've had on tour oh oh like meal or like just like a snacky snack meal maybe yeah like my go-to like i probably have like two to three times a week it's like thai green curry spicy thai green curry and rice and then like the mango sticky rice and coconut milk wait you can just get that on postmates or what really yeah yeah here in la uh-huh. Oh my gosh. I don't think we have that around. It sounds so good.

It's so yummy. Ooh. Okay. I don't know. I grew up kind of very Hawaiian Asian food, so that's my comfort food. That sounds so good. Yes. I love it.

I love it. I had it last night. It's just the best. When you have that meal that you love, it's just so cozy. I was home after like eight days of being gone I'm like I want

the food something good that I know oh no that's like the absolute best thing so I love that what's your fave what's yours

like what's your go-to like I'm just finished doing a bunch of shows and I'm home well mine is not I don't think anyone would agree with mine I just love a Domino's

cheese pizza yeah I love a medium pepperoni. Do you? Okay. I like the pan. Okay. I like the pan one. It's good. They have a new cheesy crust. I'm not getting sponsored, but everyone on TikTok is getting sponsored by Domino's right now. And I cosplayed a Domino's driver. I love Domino's with all my heart. And I just don't understand how I didn't get that sponsorship. That is so... that is a word dominoes I know they always then they have so many is there ever someone you see that gets sponsored by something you're like that I would love that yeah yeah and you're like that should

have been me it's like that's well you have your own brand you have hair you have Sasha Poe hair which is do we have a ponytail line and we're coming out with extensions now and venturing off into more products so stay tuned some clip-ins yeah we're looking at like lace fronts and yeah that i need the i need the lace front that's like half the lace front you know so i could just do the top of my head and then keep it out yeah that would be everything ponytails your queen of pony and i so i did my ponytail today beautiful i know and it's been on for like an hour, over an hour, no, a couple hours. How is it feeling? That's what I'm asking. It's like, I literally

before you came. Is that one pin? That's what I was talking about. That's when I'm like, literally poke this out and it's right in there. He wasn't feeling the scalp. He's feeling it by the pony. Like, you're gonna loosen the pony, get by the scalp. How do you? It's so funny because you do have the, like, I do it until it hurts. Yes. And then I find that one pin that's hurting then i release that pin so you can find

it because you do your own yeah yeah or like i will i'll be like i can't find it like find it for me so even when they do it i'm like that you have to move it out yeah i'm like oh no i'm not gonna be happy like if i have to do a meet and greet and this thing is in my head like i'm not gonna be able to smile so let's figure this out. That's what I was going to ask you. So what's your tips to like surviving a ponytail? Have a good like foundation, like your hair in a knot, right? But like put a little like protective thing, like another little wig.

I'll like turn upside down or inside out and put it as like what we call a coco. So you have like a little bump and then you can put your fall on and then wrap your ponytail. That way that's where the pins will go in okay so it's not going so it's not going in the scalp mine was like digging into my scalp that's the hard part but also the pulley i was gonna say yeah first you have to get first

you have to get over like the pull of the bun yeah and then how to like make that nice and like not so tight yeah but you still need it, snatch. It's a whole thing. I've had, like, craters and, like, bumps and speed bumps in my head

from, like, crowns and bobby pins and ponytails. Poor Ariana Grande. I feel that was the same way. She was doing that snatch pony. if we're doing snatches,

yeah. That's what I really wanted with this ponytail for it to be light. The Sasha Colby ponytail. And it's, like, a one-pin wonder.

Like, you just put one pin in the drawstring, you tie it up. Oh, so it's one that wraps around, and then you put the pin in. Yeah, just a little comb. You pull the drawstring, then you wrap that drawstring to give it a little taunt. Then you can wrap hair on the bottom. You can take a little bit and, like, wrap it to make it look like the pony, because that's the thing.

You need that wrap hair moment to make it look tight, or else it just looks like a thaw, which is great. But we're doing ponies. Yeah. And you are the queen of ponies. So, and I used to sew hand, hand, so my own like human ponies and do all that.

And like, that's time consuming. Also like, you don't need to know how to work with human hair and like how to like flat iron. And when you're taking it on the road, I wanted to like eliminate all that and price. Like if you're watching drag race and like you like me you're a cheap gal i don't know it gets pricey it's pricey to be you yeah it is it's still still

some of your outfits and stuff like that i was like you know what we're gonna do fashion over today because sometimes i'll do the costume but i'm like that it gets expensive it gets so expensive but the pony it was worth it but it is one of those things where i was like how did she do it yeah because it's it's i mean you feel like for a reason you feel a little and then you get a little lightheaded you're just like oh and then you can't wear the tapes with this well i guess doji now makes it cool where she's wearing the tapes on her forehead which is thank god because the first time i wore it was um when lux was on and I wanted to make sure I had the snatch, and I wore them, and they were so great because I could hide with a wig, but then you can't do it with a pony.

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Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. Literally like just for show. So good. I love it. And those do work though. They do. That's my go-to. No, you gotta watch Drag Race to get all those tips because I really do think

Did you know that Marlena Dietrich, you know, the old school actress Marlena Dietrich, she used to like take braid, like her hair like this. To pull back. And then like would like pull every. Ooh, for like a little face flip? Yes.

How'd she hide it? Or she just showed it? She put the wigs on over it. Wait, what era is that? This is like 40s. And she was doing wigs over it. Yeah. Ooh, that's so smart.

Yeah. I usually do a wig moment because I love to save my hair, but that's like a good idea. Yeah. And I was like, oh, what did that hair, all that pulling was giving you a face back then when there was really faceless, but that was a wild trick. Oh my gosh, that's good to know. Now there's faceless. Just like

frayed all around. Now they just do that with Botox. Can they do it? Like a hairband thing. Really? Yeah, it kind of pulls you up. So I've heard, allegedly. Not from experience. I know, I've heard the threading like I've heard all the crazy stuff that they can do and I haven't

I haven't tried the threading I've tried the threading I don't I said face lift at 40 I haven't tried the threading everything else I mean you look amazing like you look so good the first thing I thought when I saw you I was just like oh my gosh you look as good as you do on TV, you know?

Thank you. Because sometimes drag artists, which I love, by the way, when they have that blowout lighting. Oh, yes. And I was like, I want to be on that show just to get that lighting because it looks so good. Just pull a Vaseline on that lens. I look so beautiful. I was like, that's what we try to do here, just like blur it out as much as possible. So when I watch Drag Race, because again, watching from season one or like going back now, the lighting has.

And you see like the elevation of even like how Rue is like framed. It's so good. They're doing like Kardashian lighting. Yeah. Or it's just like, ooh, beautiful. Well, thank you for being here. Before we wrap it up, because I do think your story is like inspiring on so many levels. Obviously, like you're an activist for so many things.

If there's any kids out there that were going through something that you went through in childhood, whether that's church alienation, family alienation, not knowing, being scared, not feeling good enough, what advice would you give them? Oh man. I mean, that is not going to stop once you enter this world, it gets crazy. So if you think about it, like whatever alienation you're going through in your life, right. It's going to prep you to be a stronger person, uh, in, in your adult life. So even if it feels like it's like really hard, just know that you are gaining some like insane, uh, strength and, uh, fortitude to make you really handle and know who you're like, like what you're,

um, like who you are as a person and what you love and take for uh not take for granted but what you don't take for granted and i think that's really important so it gets hard but you know you find in the meantime you find like your tribe you find your friends you find the one other gay kid in your school and if there isn't you have the whole internet you know you can find your people in safe spaces in places that you trust like don't go into like crazy deep web things but yeah like find your common um people that you know are like you and then you get to hopefully go to places like more liberal places places that accept uh whoever you are and you'll be just fine and just know that whatever you're going through now, you don't

want that to happen to the next generation and make sure that we do that when we're adults. I love that so much. Or go to a Sasha Colby show. I'm sure the audience will be very accepting. We are. Yeah, which is the best. It's a nice crowd at a Sasha Colby show. It's the best. It's a fun crowd. And you're announcing your tour next week. Yes, we are.

So look out for those dates i'm so excited to have met you and like so amazing this is so fun this was the funnest you're just like a little doll and you're so you're just such good energy and such good positivity and i'm so cute too and like so like on it what an amazing yeah i've always loved you but deep diving into you i really just became so immersed i watched everything like the home i watched every single thing there was about you. I do have to find

the talent show from 2007. If I find that, I'll send it to you. Too much. I know. We're putting it in B-roll. Like, let's see it. Right, it's totally on B-roll.

Oh my gosh. Well, thank you for coming and I'm looking out for the movie too. I can't wait to smoke it with you after Thanksgiving. Thank you. I know.

We'll see. We'll see if you need it. Next Pride, yeah. Thanks for coming. Everything's for me and check out Ashash K'll see if you need it. Next Pride, yeah. Yes. Thanks for coming. Oh my gosh. And check out Ashash Kobe everywhere. She's everywhere. World Pride.

Yeah. Check us out at World Pride. Yeah. We'll be there Friday, Saturday, and Sunday watching somebody. We'll be doing it, baby. Bye.