Just Trish - Sugar & Spice EXPOSE Michelle Visage's Judging on 'RuPaul's Drag Race'

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

Our favorite dolls Sugar and Spice don't just get cute–they get drop dead gorgeous. The fan-favorite 'RuPaul's Drag Race' stars spill the tea on their experience competing on the reality competition show, and reveal why they refused to listen to Michelle Visage's judging. Plus, they help end the feud between Trisha and Loosey LaDuca.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Woo! Hey everybody! Welcome back to the podcast Just Trish. Today I have two very special guests marking our one year anniversary of the first time we met filming today. We have Miss Sugar and Miss Spice. Hi! Oh my gosh, you girls look so good! No, you're eating us up. We're supposed to be the drag queens and you're a drag queen, Miss Thing. Thank you, that's the best compliment ever. I know I'm getting back into my drag era. You guys got me in the drag era last year with RuPaul. But I'm getting back in it. And now I'm obsessed with drag queens.

But I'm like, well, I can't have anyone else on before Sugar and Spice. But that's what I've always loved about you is that you're the glam girl. You're not afraid to embrace your femininity. Because obviously we're men dressing up in feminine clothes. But even just everyday cis women, they're afraid to embrace their femininity because that could be used against them as well. Oh, for sure. No, but I think that's what drag queens bring out

in every woman. It's just the glam of it all, the over-the-top. I was just so excited. And you are the Monster High dolls. You guys love Monster High. Oh, we're the Monster High girls. We have Miss Rochelle. I am doing Miss Rochelle, the pink and blue fantasy.

I love the pink, yes. I'm doing classic Miss Frankenstein, daughter of Frankenstein, I think. And who else? Oh, her hand. I'm not familiar with Monster High, so they're like, they're mixed. Their daughter's out. Their daughter's out. But who's like Frankenstein?

Who does he have a daughter with? I think just Miss Frankensteina. Oh, the female, the bride like Frankenstein? Who did he have a daughter with? I think just Miss Frankensteiner. Oh, the female. The bride of Frankenstein. I'm making up a name. Frankensteiner. Because you know when I watched the... Have you seen the live action movie?

No. Okay, it's not good. I watched like 10 minutes and I'm like immediately no. But it's interesting because like Cleo is from like Cleopatra and a mummy. Oh, so they met. Okay. I'm like, okay. And then like there's a dog one that's like a wolf, but also like a human,

so I was like, oh, they really do mix with the world. Did you guys know this? I'm not, well, we grew up with them. I was more into the music, and there's this one song called, I don't know, Copyright, but there's like, I'll play it for you later. You can sing it. No, it's like, Cleo Denial, you so beguile,

even though you act so vile, and Deuce has so cold style. These my booze, my skeleton crew, a little strange, but so are you. Don't you wanna cold style these my booze my skeleton crew a little strange but so are you don't you wanna be a monster too oh my god that was actually so good

we'll do a tiktok together oh we'll do one yeah we have to do all the tiktoks after because I mean I never felt more like we're full on because we've been

in drag together I know but not all three of us no because you and Sugar had your little moment together yes honestly but that was

such a fun day when I got to do your makeup. I laughed, but I feel like y'all were living your best. Where'd y'all go? We went to the Barbie ice cream. That was so much fun. We did like a Barbie like whole life. By the way, thank you so much for that day because looking back, I remember I was like,

because this summer was a little. The day of the Barbie? No, just like my life. You know when you're just like, just riddled with anxiety and just, also there was like the mess with like, we got that. What are you talking about? There was a weird. No.

We don't have to get into it. We'll talk about it on camera. Wait, do I know the mess? No. Girl, no. Girl, anyway. But basically, you were my saving grace. Like you, it was just so fun and light and I felt like myself again that day, which was

nice. Aw, because I know because afterwards you you kind of took a break, right? You both separated, and then you were kind of off for a month or something. I know. Then our drag daughter, Secret. Well, now we have a drag daughter. Oh, my God. It's her photo.

We took photo shoots. You look amazing. She kind of brought us back together. We were in Austin for a trip. We were with all the gays partying. It was like a bender weekend. It was crazy. It was like a bender weekend. It was crazy. And we had to do a performance at the end of the

weekend. So it was like these raves with these gays and house parties and all this stuff. But Miss Seeker ended up, she was, you know, we were just like the gays. I didn't even know that she did drag. And then we just started talking. We're like, wait, we need help for tomorrow. And then we, it's like kind of been a little her story ever since. So she's going to make her LA debut soon.

She's moving here soon. We're taking her under our wing. So she's going to make her L.A. debut soon. She's moving here soon. Oh, my gosh. We're taking her under our wing. She already looks L.A. You already look so L.A. This is Pamela Anderson. I saw it. I was like, wow. That's true.

It's very huge. But people will see. So gorgeous. Me and my dreams. We always laugh. We're like, oh, my God. People don't even know that we have a daughter yet. But they'll see.

I feel like in our minds, we're kind of like the Kardashians, the drag together. We're all S's. We renamed her Secret. So we're Sugar Spice and Secret I wondered that so like with the drag I'm not familiar with it too much like the drag drag how does she say purses?

bag bag and drag bag and drag that sounds like a hospitality center bag and drag that's cute I like it the name of my next album bag and drag no I like the drag mother things of my next album, Beg and Drag. Yeah. No, I like, okay, the drag mother thing,

everyone has to have the same something, right? The same last name. Right. So you guys all have to have the same impersonation. Well, it could be anything. We're trying to figure that out now. We're like, I guess all of us being S's ties us in,

but I guess we're like the house of everything nice, but maybe that's basic. Oh, that's cute. No, I like it, because there's the house of every, like that's what the drag family is, right? I don't know, I'm getting so, I only got into it because of you guys, and now I'm just like, okay, I's cute. No, I like it because there's the house of every, like, that's what the drag family is, right? I don't know. I'm getting so, I only got into it because of you guys. And now I'm just like, okay, I'm obsessed. Which is so funny because you are actually, like, my initial drag inspo.

And it's weird because people, like, you know, especially now that Drag Race is done, they're like, oh, what's next for you? I'm like, I'm just the drag version of Trisha Payton. Oh, my God. I love you so much. Because for me, it's like, I feel like. An iconic personality. That's all I'm like the drag version of Trisha Payton. Oh my God, I love you so much. Because for me, it's like, I feel like- An iconic personality. That's all I'm like,

yeah. You are iconic. Why can't there be a drag person that just exists on the internet? I don't want to deal with people.

Yeah. You don't want to lip sync in front of everyone. Who wants to deal with that? No. I'm just saying, wait,

I don't want to go out and be an influencer. I just want to exist, you know? No, but I feel like- I mean, exist. No, be happy. No, Trisha,

I feel like you invented that talent of looking cute, getting the cameras up, and talking. Like, that's a talent. That's it. I mean, when I get glam, I literally just like,

I'm going to go get fast food. I look so good. You know what I mean? That's it. That's all my talent is, which I love. Which is, okay, so a year ago

is when we actually first met. Yeah, I know. Our first collab. And I remember, because I followed both of you guys on TikTok, and I remember you sent me the DM, and you're like, I impersonated you on Snatch Game, and I was like, oh my on TikTok. And I remember you sent me the DM.

And you're like, I impersonated you on Snatch Game. And I was like, oh, my gosh, what? I mean, that is the most iconic thing to this day. And it really gave me my, I feel like, my resurgence in, like, 2023. I felt, like, re-inspired because of that. And I was just so thankful. Well, it's funny. And we were just saying this before.

I'm like, how was that your resurgence? Because I'm like, you've always been that girl. But I guess you were just in mommy mode. So we got you glammed up. I felt so good. Yeah, and I'll never forget when we put that wig on you. And your eyes lit up. I know.

And I go, she's back. Yeah, she's back. She's back. But she never left. With the dominoes and the donuts. And I was just like, OK, you all get me. And I felt like so seen. Because you're like the new girls, the new generation.

So I felt this very cool. And you were on this huge show. Like RuPaul's is like the biggest show. So I just felt like, I like the new, you know the new girls, the new generation, so I felt this very cool. And you were on this huge show, like RuPaul's like the biggest show, so I just felt like, I don't know, one of the cool girls with you guys. But to me you're so iconic to do, because it's like, you just have so, but also it's like, how could not,

if you're on the internet nowadays, if they haven't seen a meme, a thing, I'm sorry, like you're living under a rock, but I feel like you're iconic to do, because it's like, there's so many routes you can go with you, do you of, I'm sorry, like, you're living under a rock, but I feel like you're iconic to do, because it's like, there's so many routes you can go with you, do you know what I mean? Because it's like SNL, it's like a caricature. Yeah, I love that.

I love your impersonation, too. They cut out a bunch. They actually, like, released an extended clip. I put it on my Instagram. I don't know if you saw it, I'll have to send it to you, but it was this whole, another exchange with Ru, and everyone was going in, they were like, wait, this was so Trisha. Like, it kind of went viral because they were like, oh, my God.

Like, the judges just need to go on the internet. Right, right. All they know is Cyndi Lauper and Cher. And Joe Burr. And Joe Burr. Oh, well. How are we going to get into that? Let's go see the drama.

But I love you. You know you are a drag queen because you're getting in the beat with the girls it's so random it got kinda serious I thought it was like what do they call it like low key just whatever just like cute and fun and then she was kinda like actually like mad and I was like oh my god sorry but not sorry honestly still boring you know what I mean

we love do you love Lucy? I liked her but I was only there for two days so I didn't see when the shit had been happening. I will say, last year when we had to do the promos in New York for the show, it was really hectic because the show was about to come out in two days and MTV is carting the girls around in tennis carts. I think they thought we were trans.

I think they thought we live like this. They don't understand that this is we're in pain or this is like hard to look. Like we want to get in and out of this. You know what I mean? So you don't love being in heels? Because I feel like y'all love me. I love it because it's like an art project you're making.

So like I'm committed to the art. So it's worth it. You know what we were saying this? I actually appreciate my drag when I'm not in drag. Like, I like to get in it, get all my stuff, get my art,

and then I appreciate it from afar. Me too. I'm the same way. Like, I love to do it and then I'm just exhausted at the end of it

but then I'm like, oh yeah, that like kind of like killed me. Yeah, so that was the thing with the MTV whole press day. It was kind of hard for us

with the other girls because I think the cast was just announced and there was definitely a change of tune with them. Right, right.fully so you know us we are we don't do this for other people it's just for us so we take our time and like I think every single look is like an art project it's like we're we're so detail oriented it's not because we want to be disrespectful just no this is my life task to like, it's science to

me and like making a math equation. Like, how can I get my look more perfect each time? Right. But unfortunately, I think the girls took it as, oh, they're being prima donnas. They're divas. They need more time. Oh, the day of the press. That was hell that press week. Wait, what? Because you guys just took longer? Is that what it was?

We're just, every nail has to be, we're just, every nail has to be we're just you know we're really passionate and i don't we don't have that like not that anyone else has asked us anything but a lot for a lot of queens especially an everyday queen kind of uh that's not on drag race or whatever they're it's a gig for them they're in they're out they're making their coin i don't care about coin i care about like perfecting my like art that i'm showing out into the world is there coin in drag because it costs so much to put this outfit together? It costs literally like thousands of dollars with the wig and the shoes and the custom like do you make money doing drag?

Okay, so drag Performing live. It's actually really strange for a local Queen as a normal drag artist. There's no money to be made No You're lucky if you're lucky, if you're going to collect 100, 200 in tips. I will say there are some girls, if you really want to grind and hit the pavement as a local queen in any city, they make ends meet.

Even Irene from our show, she'll put together nights at the bar. So they're able to make more profit that way. It just depends if you want to work nightlife. For me, it's like, I like nights at the bar. Oh, okay. So they're able to like make more profit that way. It just depends if you want to work nightlife. For me, it's like I like being at the party, but I don't like being the party. Right, right. You know, like I don't know.

Did you have your club days? Was that like a thing? Never, never. I was just talking about this. I've never been to like a Vegas club or anything like that. Ooh, Vegas. I haven't. Do you guys do Vegas clubs?

I never do. Well, I guess that's not really the clubs. Like gay clubs I've done for like a year. I had a year of like going to Mickey's and stuff like that. I had a, do you guys do Vegas clubs? I never do, well I guess that's not really the clubs. Like gay clubs I've done for like a year. I had a year of like going to Mickey's and stuff like that. Your WeHo era?

I had a WeHo era but I went recently to WeHo and it's just like, You can't go now. I'm sure you, yeah. I actually love going now because I actually like

feel relevant there too. I was like, well, let me put on me. We went to the Carvel and they were like, literally they were like wrapping around the store.

They were like, Trisha, we need your photo. It was so cute. Wait, what's a Carvel? That sounds familiar. Didn't we go to a carvel oh uh cold stone oh carvel is like a different acting on the east coast get the ice cream together so back to the press so back to the press day they were so they did like okay so there was a weird energy so this was after you

filmed obviously the whole season right and we're all back doing the press what was the shift do you think because they knew you guys said now they know you have so many followers So they're like oh shoot like well, I think I'm just gonna be honest on my take I think when we were on the show they could live in the fan because we were never praised on that show We were like we were supposed to be the joke, you know, like we're the gimmick While filming? While filming, that was our role

It wasn't just the edit Yeah, that was our role. So then in real life, we're not in that world anymore. We have our fan base. We have the, you know, we love what we do. I think they saw the reaction we got from the promos. Yes. And they were like, oh, wait, this isn't going with the storyline. They couldn't write us off anymore. They're like, oh, shit.

The cast and the, like, producers are just. It was a vibe. It was just a vibe. Okay, okay. I mean, there's video. Sorry to interrupt, but there's videos. I remember we did like this like Cosmo video

with like the whole cast and then we were feeling an energy like whenever have you ever had that feeling when you go to say something and then

other people they're kind of like they don't want you to speak like they're like oh you're taking the attention away from me

oh like it's very complex she's a YouTuber girl she's gone through the playoffs in 2015 yeah yeah yeah but I feel usually the opposite

where I'm like okay I'm just gonna stop talking because I don't want to be the attention seeker you know what I mean which is like not a great way to be

but yeah so how do you guys shift where's your energy when that happens so I just I kind of shut I was like you know what

I don't even want to give them an inch of because it's like but then you're a shell of yourself and yeah

it's like at what point it's like do you become a shell of yourself for other people to like you no I point? It's like, do you become a shell of yourself for other people to like you? No, I say you shine as bright, and if people don't like it, then F them.

So you were still like, I'm still going to just talk and have a spotlight. But it was funny because what was worse about it is then we got home, I felt this energy. Then if I never look at the comments, and then all the comments were pointing out that the other girls were like, rolling their eyes when we were talking.

So it's even more, they play into it. Everyone's like like oh my god whenever Sugar and Spice I was like they hate them and all this stuff I don't think it feels a certain way

because we're different you get it when you're the different one it's not I don't know I think it's just we were different from them and they didn't know

how to react to that so immediately it was just instead of trying to understand us it was just oh well we're gonna be serious and answer the question

but it's like it's press tour we're drag queens let's have fun and they were like being like miss america and just like do to do and does that make you sad because like i feel like drag is like kind of like inevitably like the people who don't belong right and then there's always like outsiders in the group of outsiders so you're like well dang i thought we're all outsiders here i think it's reliving that high school experience especially for queer people and well just anyone that's reliving that high school experience. Especially for queer people and well, just anyone that didn't fit in high school.

It's like you were the outcast and now when you grow up and you can relive everything, it's like, well I'm not the outcast anymore. I'm going to be the mean girl now. I mean, the whole thing's ironic and funny. We laugh now because all the girls that were coming for us for being social media queens and not performing,

now they're all trying to do social media and make their... His math's crazy. So it's just funny. So I just... But I'll... It's just like, okay, so you... So you were... I'd hate to be the girl like, oh, it's...

Everything's always a projection, right? Totally. So whatever you bring up in someone, it's just going to bring... Well, if I'm bringing the science and math, but it's like... Right. You're going to bring up their life. Yeah. The law of the universe.

No, it's so true. I feel that way. Is there anyone from the show that you, like, absolutely love and you're like, I still, or are you just like, oh, you do. Okay, so you're still in touch with a lot of them. Malaysia, we talk to every single day. Oh, yes. We're obsessed with her.

And it's really ironic about that, too, is that that was never really shown on the show. They made it seem like we were more, like, family with mistress and stuff. And like, never really shown on the show. They made it seem like we were more like family with mistress and stuff. And like, yeah, like on the show. But like, especially when we got back,

we were fully, we only ever got. Well, she was our drag mom on the show. But then when we got off the show, it was Malaysia. So what does that mean like drag mom on the show?

Like what is drag mom? It was a bit. I mean, it was a bit. Wait, why? It wasn't a bit. It's just a joke. It was like a banter. Like, oh, like we're drag family. Like, and she was great. a bit. It's just a joke. It was like a banter. Like, oh, we're a drag family.

And she was great. And I loved Mistress right from the start because I was like, oh, this girl gets TV. She's so smart. And she understood that we were there to entertain and have fun. Okay. So she wasn't hating. You get it when you're playing up the dumb bimbo shit. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Saying the crazy things. And the girl's like, you're weird. And it's like, well, no, this is just my way of getting the attention off my back so you don't think I'm a threat. So let me just be the crazy weird one to make you comfortable. Right. Maybe it's because they were like, oh, because that'll get the attention.

It's like Jessica Simpson 101, you know, just being that like dumb blonde and there's everyone being like, oh. And you were the youngest, right? Yeah. You were like one of the youngest. But do you, I'm curious for you, like, because for me, I feel like people think when someone does a movie or a show, they think that, like in my mind, we think that, who played Regina George? Which one?

Renee Rapp or Rachel McAdams? The original. Allison, what's her name? Rachel McAdams. Oh, Rachel McAdams. From Regina George, yeah. So you would think that her and Lindsay watching it, you would think that they're best friends because they're like in your fantasy.

But in real life, you're like, no, they probably don't talk. They're like not close, yeah. Like do you talk to anyone from like your reality shows that you did or no no but the big brother okay the true oh which camera okay the og trisha fans remember we were in the trenches when trisha was on big brother because i remember every day and like no one else but trish because you saved that show I mean it's like how would we even know that existed if you weren't on? I thought it was so boring on the show because I wasn't like everyone else either I wasn't like drinking so I was like oh it's so boring I'm just like laying

in bed all day but I love that you think that was iconic just laying in bed just being like you know I think I left early too I think I quit in like a week I was like okay I'm done. No the best part was the after map when you were like in the hotel after or like before oh just crying and you released like the vlog footage. Oh I was, but then I felt really sad because it's like such a high to be on a TV

show, as you guys know. It's like a high and then when you like leave, like when you guys left the show, were you guys sad? Were you like, oh man, it's over? Well, oh my god, when we met up because I went home first. I was ecstatic to leave. I was ecstatic. You were? Oh, really? Yeah, I was ecstatic. Oh my gosh. I remember even it was like the week before.

No one cares about the details. No, I don't know. It was like something like, it was like the lip sync Lollaparooza thing. And I was hoping that, of course I wanted to stay. But I was like, you know what? These people, like these judges don't, let me just, take me out of my misery. Oh, you felt it for the judges. Yeah. Like, you know what? But also like.

Because you're the person, you're not going to change for anyone else. No, yeah. And I think that's what it is. It's like, I'm just not that, it's very like you know i kind of relate it to people that are people that are kind of pick misha energy like people that will throw themselves at guys and stuff and like like me like me pick me pick me for me it's like that you feel that energy like i just kind of feel like competitions deep down like if you think about it they're kind of dark because they're very egotistical it's me i'm the best's me. I'm the best. Look at me.

I'm the best. And for me, I don't have that in me to do it. I think I'm sickening. If you love it, you love it. But I'm not going to force myself or try to sell myself that hard. And when I feel, yeah, that's true. And then I also feel like if you feel like someone doesn't get you, it's just like, it's over. It's like, well, then you don't get it, you know?

Drag race is literally just like dating, and I try to explain it to people. I'm like, if you're at the club, and you go up to the first hot guy you see, and if they're giving you, like, dust, and they're, like, doing the cold shoulder to you, you're not going to go back up to that guy repeatedly to try to get his attention. No, you know he doesn't like you. You're going to go down and try to get with the chef. Yeah. You know?

I say, you know what? If you're a part of a movie, and, like, you're and you're cast as the extra, don't do that movie again. Go be the main character in your own life. I love that. Yes, absolutely. But you guys were the main characters. How did that come about? Did someone find you on social media?

Are you applied? So the funny thing is, they asked us the year before to audition. Apparently, the auditions were done. I guess they were scrambling. And they were like, oh, do you want to do it? We were only doing drag for two years at that point. We were like, no.

Oh, you said no. No, so we said no. And then the next year, we were like, okay. Like, we were kind of getting our audition tape together. We're like, okay. But, yeah.

So they approached you so you don't have to go to open halls. But we were going to do it regardless. But it was kind of interesting. Like, you know, I don't even know.

It doesn't even matter. The casting girl, like, reached out to our manager and was giving us, like, audition tips. Oh, interesting. I don't even know. It doesn't even matter. The casting girl reached out to our manager and was giving us audition tips. They were like, oh, we want to see how different you are. So we understood. Do you have the audition tape? Did you ever post it? No.

I'm going to post my OG Snatch Game of You because I feel like that shows the true essence because I actually did the crying and the eating. They didn't show any of that. I feel like overall they gave true essence because I actually did the crying and the eating. Oh, no, they didn't show any of that. See, I feel like overall they gave you a bad edit anyway. And I know you told me off camera too, Rue was just kind of upset about it,

kind of was annoyed by it. That was the reason why she went home because he just didn't like how Sugar went on the board. I have scripts. I was like, what would Trisha do on Snatch Game? She would be crazy and I was coming for him. It was just great. I think you get it because it's like even doing reality TV, to me, I think about the people that don't even watch the show.

How are you going to be viral to them? It's really just a YouTube. It's all just clips that you have potential to go viral. Totally. We got the job done. Every single moment, I'm like, oh, no, this isn't an actual competition. This is just a show. We're here to entertain. And I'm like oh no this isn't an actual competition this is just a show we're here to entertain

and I'm gonna do the craziest shit and as long as we're here we're gonna rock it cause your Miley one was so crazy but in like such a good way

to me I thought it was I just learned the word camp so I feel like it was camp let's go camping oh my gosh okay so the fans really were getting

at Spice they were like oh my god Miley's gonna hate you after this performance and it was such a shame we kinda got the last laugh because you ended up

meeting Trisha who you did and loved it then I we got to meet Miley and she like it's just crazy can you explain the story

because it's actually so please I don't know we each got a full circle moment oh that's so cool so I feel like even though people try to make me feel

so horrible about it like the real Miley fans understood because I honestly feel like if people try to make me feel so horrible about it, like the real Miley fans understood. Yeah. I honestly feel like if you're a fan of someone, you can like, it's like with your sibling, it's like, oh, only I can say that about them. Totally. Totally.

Yes. Yes. So yeah, basically we have a mutual friend and he invited us to go to one of her Chateau Mermont type party things. Wow. We didn't want, not that I didn't want to go, but I was like, oh no. Also, I didn't think we were going but I was like, oh no. Also, I didn't think we were going to meet her.

I thought she was just going to be performing. So we walk in and I was like, okay, I guess we'll go. Like I was nervous. We didn't know anyone else. You should have cued in the clumsy music

because you know when you go into a place and it's kind of like giving like celeb energy, but also you're like, why am I here? Like I should just walk out. That's why I don't go to parties. No, yeah.

It was us. We're like sandwiched in the back of the corner. Are you in drag? Are you in drag? No, just boy. Okay, just keep going. That's why I don't go to parties. No, yeah. I'm positive syndrome. You got it, yeah. It was us. We're like sandwiched in the back of the corner. Are you in drag? Are you in drag? No. Just boy. Okay, just keep going. We're standing there

and then all of a sudden at one point Sugar goes, oh, they cross over to the other side by the stairs. We're getting in the way. So as I go to cross, I bump into a woman.

It turns out it was Miley. She was just walking through the party and then I turn around. I didn't realize it was her and I go, oh, sorry and I hear someone say, oh, my dress is so tight. Don't worry about me and I go, oh, sorry't realize it was her and I go oh sorry and I hear someone say oh my dress is so tight

don't worry about me and I go oh sorry and I look at her and I go we made eye contact for two seconds I was like wait I was in disbelief I was like is that her is that her sister like why is she walking around but then I realized oh this is like a closed thing like she feels comfortable like we were by the door I guess she was getting she's walking in and out

and then it's like her party it's her party so then I go to sugar I go I think that was Miley like I think that was her she was getting, she's walking in and out. And it's like her party. It's like her party. It's her party. So then I go to sugar. I go, I think that was Miley. Like, I think that was her. She was like, what?

And then, so we're standing there talking to our mutual friend and then all of a sudden Miley walks back in and as she's walking back in, I'll never forget. I like blanked.

I was like, I blocked out. I blocked out. She walked by and then she goes, she turns back to you. We were fighting about what word she exactly said.

Because I thought she said, I thought she was like, she was walking by and then she turned back to acknowledge us. And she was like, you look adorable. Oh my God. No, no, no. No, girl, you messed me up. You have one job. No, no. That's what she told me.

No, no. She walked, no, correction. She walked by. No, first she said. Did she walk to the front? Oh my God. What is this? She walked to the left, to the left. I'm in the, oh, I'm in the back. No, she walked by. No, first she said. Did she walk to the front? What is this? She walked to the left, to the left.

No, but she walked by and she said, you're everything. And her baby voice, she was like, you're everything. And then I was quick on my feet and I go, no, you're everything, this thing. And that's when she turned around and then looked at you and she said, you look adorable. She knew. She knew the sugar and spice. And then she kept walking. And I just remember like shutting down because I was like, wait.

I shut down, yeah. What do you mean shut down? Shut down bad or, like, blacked out? In a good way. But I kind of just blacked out for a second because I was like, wait. So we're at this whole thing with all of these people here. And she decided to single us out out of all these people because she's running to her thing. Right.

And I was like, oh, that's so sweet because we were already kind of feeling a little bit uncomfortable being there because it's like, and then even though our friend was like. You don't know anyone. You never know. It's awkward. You're just standing there. Coughing is the best. Robot entrance. People are looking at you.

Just like. No, and our friend was like, finally so excited to see you guys tonight. But like, I'm sure you were. I know you were like where you're just like your own worst enemy and you're like, they're lying. What are you talking about? I don't believe. They're so excited. They say that to everyone.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, they don't care if I'm here or not. You know what I mean? Yeah. But she actually cared. Do you think she knew the drag of it all? Well, yeah. We also had another moment where we got, I don't know.

Did you give it to Ian Teller? I would have brought it up. I'm like, look, that was you. Right, right, right. She probably knew. I feel like the biggest celebrity you always know. So she knew of our mutual friend because we met him. Vijay, he's amazing.

He has to shoot you. Oh, my God. Photographer. We met him on the day of the Drag Race promo photo shoot. We hit it off with him. Which one? The pink race car? The pink race car.

He's amazing. So we loved him because they told us he was going to do the pictures. And we were like, oh, my God. He's my least photographer. He does all these people. He's amazing. None of the other girls knew. We were obsessed with him.

They all thought we were so weird. Like, why are you freaking out over the photographer? They didn't know. Because we went to school for photography, so this was like a moment for us. Oh my gosh, yeah. That's a huge deal, too. Especially with like, he invited you. He invited us, but also we were hanging out with him before, and he told us that the day

of the shoot, he got back and he told Miley about us. He was like, there was these twins are iconic, all this stuff. Just after the promo. Yeah, just after the promo. But we found this out recently. We didn't know that. Oh my gosh. Oh, that is so cool. That is like full circle moment. But she was my icon. Right. And the best act.

You and Miley and Trisha, people are like, why are they so the way they are? I'm like, no. Trisha and Miley raised us. The queens of being unapologetic. And Tyra. And Tyra. Those three, mix them up and then you have sugar and spice. Because think about it. You're engaged on Long Island.

You're like the awkward ones out. I needed every confident icon I could take in. Because in high school, middle school, that's peak of trying to fit the social norm. So you need your people that are just not afraid to be themselves. That's the nicest thing. That's the biggest compliment in the whole world. I really appreciate that. Because still to this day, when you say Trisha and Miley in the same sentence, I'm like,

okay, totally different, but I appreciate it. Well, you're a pop icon, Miss Thing. You're a pop icon. I know. I heard you out there. I saw that my albums were on the wall. You're like, it's giving discography. That was like totally. Speaking of pop icons, are you guys ever like, so you did your songs.

Are you guys ever do the music videos for them? Yeah. So we've been well Miss Spice is a little pop star she's cooking well you know

Miss Mama Spice she's been cooking in the studio you know wait recording in a studio yeah are you doing

like an EP a full album it's like a little I feel like every artist a record a project it's like

girl you record that on your phone it's going straight to the album it's an EP I'm trying not to talk like I haven't been like talking about it online cause I feel you know how it is when it's cringy when people hype something up and it's an EP. Girl, you record that on your phone. It's going straight to the sound file. It's an EP. I'm trying not to talk. Like, I haven't been, like, talking about it online.

Because you know how it is when it's cringy, when people hype something up. And it's like, girl, just wait until it's out and let the people gag when it's out. I don't want to talk about it too much. But I've been trying to get Miss Sugar on a track. So we'll see what we can do. Because we want to do a full music video. She wants to do, like, the single with me. I'm like, but I'm not a singer. Like, we all heard Bimbo Five.

Oh, no, no. Bimbo Five is such a good song. Yeah, I feel like it but I'm not a singer. Like, we all heard Bimbo Five. Oh, no, no. Bimbo Five is about, yeah, I feel like it. I don't like my singing voice. You guys have been singing this whole time and it sounds so good together. Like, it sounds amazing.

I love when people just start singing. Oh, but we did sing. Also, we'll talk, but we also have an idea for a little, like, we want you to make, because we're going to go

all out for the video. Oh, my God, because I've been singing this and I wanted to do a song with you guys and I'm getting pregnant and it's just, you know, one thing after the other,

but I would still love. Well, Spice does have a track and I was like, oh,'ve been singing the two. I wanted to do a song with you guys, like you getting pregnant, and it's just, you know, one thing after the other, but I would still love. Well, Spice does have a track, and I was like, oh, Trisha would be iconic. Is it going to be like the way you did it on Drag Race? Where you're just like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's actually straightforward pop, kind of. So it's like electronic dance. But basically, like especially with my drag character as well, I'm basically just trying to be the pop star that my middle school self wanted to see. So it's like, basically I'm just trying to make

little Luca proud, being like, oh my god, because for me it's like, but that's the thing about pop stars, is that they're not just everyday singer-songwriters, they're the fantasies, the visuals, the look, it's you know what I mean? You're a discography baby! Like, if you wanna do,

I'm not trying to do music, like of course I can sing we need pop star Trish back I think one day I would love it one day I don't know when

just a fancy verse you can have your it girl verse moment I think your music would pop off even more now you think so I think yeah okay maybe

I want to it's expensive it's an expensive thing to sign in fact someone gave me a record deal or something you know no I'm really particular

with the producers like we just somehow we got to LA and we just became friends with all these pop stars and they like we love them they're like oh work with us to think about maybe a record deal or something, you know? No, I'm really particular with the producers. Like, we just somehow, we got to LA and we just became friends with all these pop stars and we love them. It's like, oh, work with this person.

We got good people. That's so cool though. Because how long have you been in LA now? Two years. Literally, our lease is up on Monday. I just moved into my new place. By yourself? Yeah.

We're getting a new place. No! We're growing up. Oh my God, wait, why? We're multiplying. We have too much stuff. Wait, what do you why we're multiplying we have too much wait so me you're multiplying yeah

we'll just enjoy I can just do so much I was gonna be like having kids I was like oh my god you do have a secret well you know what it's only

literally like this morning like that's why I was like so crazy I'm like oh my god just Trish and Monster High I'm moving but it's been amazing because this was my first morning like waking up like, oh my God, Just Trish and Monster High are moving. But it's been amazing because this was my first morning

like waking up like in my new place by myself the first time in my life. This is your first morning waking up? And I'll never forget it. I'm like, oh,

I'm going to Just Trish today. No way. Are they still close in proximity? Yeah, it's like down the block. Yeah, but also it's good because now we always hang out with each other.

We're like, oh wait, now we have two places to go to. Oh my God, but who gets the dolls? Yeah. Oh, we split them up. We have the sugar dolls. Sugar.

Spice. I mean, I still don't get when people, I mean, literally people will come up to us and they'll be like, sugar or spice. And I'm like, girl, like, I think it's, we try to make it. Out of drag, I get it. But when we were like touring like Australia and London, people would literally come up. Like I'd be like pink hair, blonde Barbie. Are you spice? And I'm like like I think it's logic sugar sugary girly yeah individually they'll be like oh who are you like sugar spice yeah they'll go are you sugar spice

and then I'm like I'm Donna from down the street no but What sends me is if I'm out at a club and there will be a drunk person and they're like, oh my god, which one are you? I love you so much. And I'm like, but if you loved me so much, you know who I am. Do you say it like that? No. No, girl. What do you say?

Who is the nice one in real life? Who's nicer? I think we both have our moments. I'm more, well well we're both spiritual i'm more of like mother of the house i'm a little more zen like if someone comes up to you like that are you gonna react nicer are you gonna be like oh i'm sugar no we're both good in the sense of i mean we take after you and like of all of the drive-thrus and you being so nice to you oh yeah you set the example miss thing oh thank you i try to be nice you know. You set the example, Miss Thing. Oh, thank you.

I try to be nice, you know. I don't know. I feel weird. I don't feel like I'm pretty enough to be bitchy or anything like that. You know what I mean? I wish I could. No, but you get it.

It's like if someone actually is coming up to say hi, me automatically, I go into imposter syndrome. I'm like, do you even know who I am? What have you even seen of me? Yeah.

I don't know. I would ask that. Sometimes you have to clock. Do you know when someone's like a half fan? Before we came here, we were like, sugar, you're going to, because whenever we do interviews together, people love, they go, oh my God, that one doesn't let each other talk. They cut each other off. We do it equally.

We do it equally. But also, but they don't understand. It's like, girl, do you have a sit? Like we, I'm sorry. We're not the, we're drag queens. We're not these perfect poised like people. but also but they don't understand it's like girl do you have a like we I'm sorry we're not the we're drag queens we're not these

perfect poised like people we have a lot to say and also we don't really talk about ourselves that much so then like in a situation

like this you're asking a question and Robo's like all you do is talk about your well I guess you talk to me and then to our friends

yeah because like publicly there's not much about you when I was researching obviously from Drag Race and all your Drag Race interviews. Right. But that's all I've seen are those, you know. I haven't seen, like, just, like, you talking, you know.

And you used to on your first channel when you were, like, boys. I know, boys. You were very much more, like, a little more personal. So that's why I love, like, hearing you talk, you know. I love this. No, but, like, honestly, you inspire me. Like, even on the way here, I was filming, like, a little Get Ready With Me YouTube for this. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, oh, that's, like, cute.. Like even on the way here, I was filming like a little get ready with me YouTube for this. Oh my gosh.

I love that. For me, I was like. I love YouTube. I know. And just like making content. I was like just thinking about how much I loved you so much. I'm like, no, I want to make content for people the way like you affected me. Like I was in 10th grade and I would get home from school, have the iPad, the Terskweedos.

And it was like, you would like the Manhattan Beach House. Or like, you like at your mom's. And my families could be yelling my mom about the Yankee game, all this stuff going on. She was a big Yankee fan. Was she a sports fan? Yeah. Okay, I love that. I couldn't really.

I would literally be upstairs after my shift from Old Navy and I'm on the laptop or the iPad or Old Navy and I'm like on the laptop because or the iPad or whatever. And I'm just like getting into your world and I was just like there was peace. Oh my god. And you definitely provide that for everyone that watches you

and loves you on your TikToks, on your YouTubes. But I'm excited to get into like the long form on YouTube more because you get it. I'm like I don't even care about views. I'm like let's do live stream. Like a long video, just press play. Me too. Even when I get 10,000 views on my main channel I'm like I'm still gonna post because it's just'm like, I don't even care about views. I'm like, let's do live streams. If it's a long video, just press play. Me too. Even when I get 10,000 views on my main channel, I'm like, I'm still going to post because it's just like fun, you know?

I love the gift exchange you guys did. The doll gift. Because that was the last one you guys did, right? It was so cute. And it's just like, just seeing your personalities together. And I know you're like doing separate things. Do you think that you'll continue to do separate things more? Will you always be a duo?

I think that's the fun thing is that we'll always be associated. We'll always be a duo. We'll always do fun things like this together. But I think it's good that we have the space to kind of, because that's the thing. It's like, that was, that's, yeah.

I'm like, girl, I love you but it's my thought. I tune her out. I'm like, I'm just talking to Trish right now. She's always here. I feel like if you don't have a twin, you don't get it.

Don't let me lose my thought. What was I saying? We need one more. No, you were. Oh, no. When we first started with our drag, people didn't understand. We were really, we're all about branding. And we know that there's so many drag queens that are solo acts.

So we knew that all of our outfits kind of had to coincide together. We wanted to look like twins, opposite twins, but we always wanted to look like we were from the same world. Of course, on Drag Race, that didn't really work to the benefit. The fans were like, oh, my God, they just wear the same thing, different color. But to us, we were like, oh, we're the drag twins. If we don't look somewhat related, then that's not going to make sense. It doesn't make sense.

But now people know that we're twins, so now we can kind of do. They know we're twins. As we're in this monster hiding, it's like, I'm being triplets. So we get to kind of like, delve into our like, own little world more,

so it's fun. And do you like it? Are you enjoying it? Or do you, do you have like, because I would think it would be like a support, you know, to have like a,

well yeah, especially starting the music, it was scary at first. It's, I mean, it's been the most like, fulfilling thing for me, because it's like,

my own thing, I'm like, oh my god, like, I'm just like, bad at like, like sugar's better at like, because it's, like, my own thing. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I'm just, like, bad at, like, like, Sugar's better at, like, the analytical stuff, getting things together. I'm mom. Right, yeah. I'm the creative.

I just want to be creative. I was here on time. I just don't like having to, like, set things up and texting people and all that annoying stuff. So, like, it's been fulfilling in that sense. But, like, we, Sugar's a little writer, too. So, I've been including her in some writing sessions. So, I love writing.

Oh, me too. So, it makes it more fun. Like, yeah. Okay. Well, I just, like, so I've been including her in some writing sessions. Oh, me too. So it makes it more fun. Yeah. Okay. I just love writing in general. Yeah. I feel like we should all do it, you know, like journaling and self-love and all that. Oh, yeah.

It's like an expression. Right. Mm-hmm. But with you, I mean, it's amazing. I feel like once you shut, because it's almost like you have that block of, oh, well, I'm a really creative person, but I can't come up with melodies or I can't write. No, you tell yourself the new story. That's what we do.

You tell yourself the new story. All of a sudden, melodies were coming to you, and then we would go on our walks, and then you were getting like... Yeah, we'd go on our high little walks together. The inspiration. And then I'd come in with the words, because I'm like, okay, well, don't just say love.

Say obsessed. Oh, that's cute. I love that. Make it stronger. That's what's hard about songwriting. Yeah, what I've been learning about this experience was for me,

I always knew I wanted to do music but everyone, every YouTuber, every drag queen does music. Like, we get it. But what I've realized, I'm like,

I've been telling myself you can't let people stop. You can't let people doing something bad or half-assed stop you from doing something so amazing and something that

you're passionate about yeah because it could be great like you know Addison Rae has popped off every TikToker was doing it and now she's like popped off she's like the pop early

and you're just like oh my gosh that's amazing but when she first started everyone's like TikToker whatever you know what I mean so you could be the one to pop off

well even with this show everyone and their mom has like a video podcast imagine if you were like well everyone has it I'm not gonna do it imagine not having a show that's how I felt that's how I felt though because it's like oh my god everyone has a podcast like'm not going to do it. Imagine not having a show. That's how I felt, though. Because it's like, oh my god, everyone has a podcast. Do you need another

podcast? But it's like, yeah, you should be the one. Has there been a drag superstar, like a pop star, someone that came from the drag world? Well, Pablo Vittar. She's iconic. She's in Brazil. She's big in Brazil. We'll have to get you into her. Okay. I'm sure she loves you because she's just like this little doll and she's gorgeous.

What's the name? Pablo Vitar. Pablo Vitar. Oh, cute name. You and your Pablo era. Yeah, I would love to be just a slip singing to Pablo Vitar. I love Psy No.

I just want to get you into all your new eras. I would love selfishly if you were doing a Monster High character like once a month because I know the fans are going to laugh.

Is there more than just us? There's more. Who else is there? I don't really get it because you don't watch the movie so is it just about the dolls? Well, there's a lot of the characters. So when they came out, I think the main attraction to them was the webisodes and then eventually

went on to Nickelodeon. But for me, I was just really into the dolls. You just liked the dolls. Yeah. Where would you rank these as far as dolls go? Your favorite dolls? They're up there. I mean, growing up, I liked dolls.

I still like them to look like people. Okay. But I can get behind these because they dolls. I still like them to look like people. Okay. But I can get behind these because they're f***ed in fashion. Right, right. But I didn't like dolls. Like, I wasn't a fan of, like, My Little Pony.

If they weren't humans, I wasn't into it. Oh, definitely not My Little Pony. Yeah, if they were too fantasy, no. That was, like, a bro thing, right? Like, straight guys

love My Little Pony. Right? Wasn't it, like, Tamagotchi? Wait. Oh, no. Oh, there was, like, Pokemon things. That's what they like. Oh, they like those, too. But they call them, like, bronies or something. Like, people. I don't know. I don'tchi? Wait. Oh, no. Oh, there was like Pokemon things. That's what they like.

Oh, they like those too. But they call them like bronies or something. Like people. I don't know. I don't know. I don't get it. But I don't like My Little Pony. Anything like animal.

I mean, I like animals, but not like animal things. You know what I mean? I'm so excited to give you the little gifts we got you. Should I wave or should I do it now? We should honestly let you do it now. Just met. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

There's so much. Sugar jumping down. I was saying. So much. You always bring gifts. You always. Well, this is the baby shower gift my gosh, there's so much. Sugar jumping down. I was saying. So much. You always bring gifts. You always, like, every time I see you. Well, this is the baby shower gift.

Oh, that's so nice. And my mom, you get to be, like, the fun little sugar and spice aunties that bring the dolls. Oh my gosh. With the doll aunties. I love that so much.

Malibu's really, she's not in her doll era yet, but I feel like maybe three or four. Because I love playing dolls. I love making them talk, but she's like, she doesn't get them yet.

She likes to look at them, though. We have a bunch of Barbies. Okay. I'm so, oh my gosh. Okay, we have two. Oh my gosh. I already love this.

So all of these, okay, so I was like, you have to do a look like her. So she's an LOL OMG. Oh my gosh. I love the LOL dolls. Oh my gosh. And I feel like this would be

fun with Malibu because you could do nails and you're such a nail girl. Oh my gosh. So this just was screaming. I wasn't, uh, I didn't even know she was out yet in stores. And I saw her and I go, you need to do

this look. She's so cute. Oh my god. I feel like this would be a simple outfit to create, Eddie. Yeah? Okay. Look at the wig on the back. I'm asking you in a custom wig like that. Oh my gosh. That's Trisha. Yeah, and her little legs and stuff like that. Oh my gosh, this is so cute. I totally will. A little pastel. By the way, all my customs now because of you guys. Like, last time you came, you brought Eddie, and I was just like, I'm going to start using

him too. You deserve custom. You have, like, the best show on the internet. You should be, like, decked out. Oh my gosh, thank you. It's not a costume. It's custom. Oh, I like that.

Is that something you came up with? No, I think Miley did. Girl, she's not original. Girl, she's not original. Okay, wait, wait, wait. I'll hold for you. Okay, ready? Okay, so a little Monster High 2-pack.

Oh, my God. Wait, let's see. Oh, you were just saying you like Cleo. So he's Deuce. So I think you and Moses could do Cleo and Deuce. Oh, Deuce. They're in the live action. He was in the live action.

He had snakes coming out. And then this is the Valentine's Day look. I've known Cleo in the past. She's fun. She's like the best. So maybe Valentine's Day you could do this. Monster High Valentine's. Oh, my gosh.

First of all, okay, we have to recreate this. And you are a snake. The year of the snake. You look so good as a... Yeah, so that's actually everything to recreate this. And you are a snake. The year of the snake. You look so good. Yeah, so that's actually everything because I'm year of the dragon. He's year of the snake.

That's actually so cool. And I love when you do your kind of like, you're the snake? I'm the dragon. He's the snake. Yeah, dragon is this year.

So my daughter is going to be a dragon. She's going to be a tourist dragon like me. Wait, I never heard, oh wait, so.

Do you know your Chinese zodiac? Oh wait, so it goes with your, like your sign? It goes with the year you're born. What year are you born? 98. Oh,

you're 10 years. We're like, you would know. You would look it are you born 98 oh you're 10 years we're like you can look it up you can look it up i know i know usually i do but you can look it up because the animal is like a big thing to me right oh no you're from the girls we dropped one oh my gosh hold on okay all right well wait but you also come in are you sure you're okay yeah yeah oh my god secret hi. We were talking about you. Babe to the camera. Squat for a second and just say hi. Say hi to the girls.

This is our drag daughter. This hair is everything. I just love it. This is the real Trisha right here. This is how I feel. You need that wig. I'll leave a substitute. Your makeup is everything. I'll leave a substitute. Oh my gosh.

Yes, the double. Your makeup's everything. I love it. I love that you just came. This is just like you're assisting today and you came with this. Yeah, just assisting. Well, obviously I knew Trisha was going to be here. So I was like, I have to get full platinum blonde fantasy.

I'll put that shade of blonde specific. I love like a warm 613 blonde. Oh, that was everything, that color. Yeah. Well, we chose secret because we want to do Victoria's blonde. Oh, that was everything, that color. Yeah. Well, we chose Secret, like, because we want to do, like, Victoria's Secret. Oh, that's, yeah. So blonde. That's what you're getting for sure. She's very much a Victoria's Secret drag.

I put her on to, like, this wig girl that makes really high quality, synthetic, and human. So, like, because you know with human hair sometimes it's like you're really, it can get frizzy. Yes. But this, it just, you can take it out of the box, I'll put you on so the girl. Well I need a good wig one too.

I get all my, like I'm FB's and then I, Yeah, this is everything. Yeah, this is great, this is a mix? This is a mix, yeah. Wow. Oh, and she's stacked too. Oh wait, sugar, you have to tell them the difference between us and Secret, how she turns out.

Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, well Secret. No, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, well basically, so we don't move. We're the plastic dolls that don't have joints, but she actually has joints. Okay. Okay, well, basically, so we don't move. We're the plastic dolls that don't have joints, but she actually has joints. So she can perform at your birthday parties.

No, she can turn it. She can turn it. So we don't perform, but she does. If you need a drag queen that, like, if you have a party and, like, a drag queen that needs to be, like, sexy. They saw me riding on a jet ski the, like, the second day they met me, right?

Oh, my God. No, she gets Britney and Erika Jayne and the greats. Like, oh. Yeah. No, you had the and Erika Jayne in the grates. In a bikini. Oh. No, you had the women hitting on you. They were trying to cut. Oh, I can imagine. Yeah.

What's your favorite performance? What thing to perform to? Britney. Anything hot girl fantasy. Hot girl fantasy. I love a Britney moment. Hot girl fantasy.

You're very Tricia Korr. You're very Tricia Korr. No, we're the same. I love you forever. You and Gigi are my top. Oh, my gosh. Always. That's the best compliment ever.

I love all of you girls. I love you. You make me feel young. I love you. You make me feel young. I know. You guys are the drag moms. I'm the drag grandma.

Right. Okay. Do you want to get the next gift for Trisha while you're here? Oh, my gosh. Wait. I feel like she's my necklace. We go. It's so much.

Okay. Okay. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Another Monster High. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. So you could do her. Yeah. I figured it feel like she's my necklace. We go, this is so much. Okay, okay, okay. Oh my god. Okay, another Monster High. Oh, oh, oh, oh. So you could do her.

I'm thinking you could do Abby. I love this. Abby Abominable. Oh, so she's Abominable Snowman. So this is Abby. This is the snowman. Oh my god. She's icy.

This one I love. I love the blue. I should have been like blue because she's painted blue here but in this one she was like more. The new one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, you're good.

Okay. I gave her last year. The Monster High fans, we in this one she was like more pink. The new one is like she's pink. Oh, no, you're good. You're good. I did her last year. The Monster High fans, we live for Abby because apparently she's trans. Oh. So we love. We love. Isn't Laguna trans?

Or Australian or something. She's Australian. One of those, yeah. She says, what do Australians say? They say like, hello, Mai. Something down on the. The Ananda. Oh, yeah. Hello, Mai.

What's going on, The Ananda? Mine always sounds British. I don't know. Oh, do your big brother thing Because you learned it Watching Trisha Oh no When you're on the show

It was the British version right Yeah I was on the British Okay so because I watched Your season Also the one with Tiffany Pollard But I was obsessed Oh I love yeah I tell it like

I'm like a little parakeet So like growing up I would like listen to something And I'm like oh I could do it back But I'd watch it And they would be like It's currently 9.59am Trisha is in the

diary room talking about Gemma. Oh my God. I don't know Gemma. But like yeah. Do you imagine if I was on with Gemma Collins

I would have been iconic. I would have loved that one. But it was always just like it's 9.59 a.m. What? What you just said. We need to go someone take that clip

and slow down what Trisha just said that was everything. You spoke so fast. Lucy was like trying to compare me to Gemma Collins in a bad way. I was like, if it's insulting, whoever told that girl she was a gorgeous girl is not. I was like, okay, first of all, you're stealing New York's line, not even an original line. She's like, yeah.

And I was like, Gemma's also iconic, so whatever. I love when you talk really fast. You should have your British accent and get Miss Gemma Collins on you. I would love it. She interviewed me on Celebrity Big Brother. I love her. I love her. I love New York, too.

I've been trying to DM. We've been DMing. I'm like, oh, please, come on. Oh, I would die for that. Could you imagine? I would die, too. Getting shriekingity Big Brother. I love her. I love her. I love New York, too. I've been trying to DM. We've been DMing. I'm like, oh, please come on. Oh, I would die for that. Because you would imagine I would die, too. Getting shrieking. Oh, my God. How's the villain?

She only lasted like two episodes, but the most iconic person on the show. You know what I mean? I always think the ones who leave early are kind of the most iconic. Because also, those are the moments that kind of go viral. Well, of course, I agree. I know. Me, too. I left early.

I was like, bye. I was on like two episodes. Sometimes you just need a little show. Not a show. Sometimes a little quickie's good. Yeah, exactly. Because it's like, you know, the other people need the show. You don't. You got your own life to live. That's how I felt. I'm like, I need to like go be

a star outside the show. You know what I mean? Thank you so much. Oh my gosh. Thank you, Vanna. Thank you. Price is right, model. Well, let's start with her. You need to do this look. I think it's like you at home. I think it's you. Do you have a snuggie like that?

No, but I could easily get one made. Addie, we gotta make one of these too. I think it's like you at home chilling. Isn't this you? Yeah. Do you have a Snuggie like that? Do I have a what? No, but this is, I could easily get one made. Addie, we gotta make one of these too. She's like a little teddy bear. I saw her and I go, oh my god. Because I know you're like a cosplay girl. And I feel like with your show, make some more fun. Like, ooh, I'm doing the Snuggie thing today.

Oh, so fun, yes. Do a pink little furry thing, a little light pink wig. And look, she has little ears. Look at the cartoon. Oh my god, little bear ears. Yeah, I love her little eyes too. Oh my gosh, this is ears. Yeah. I love her little eyes, too. Oh my gosh. This is so cute. Do we know her name? Do they have names or no? That's Bella Parker. So she's

the light pink girl. I love that. Bella Parker and this is Abby Bomberball. Okay. I love her names. I know. I love the doll names. So cute. Oh, is this the one I got? Yeah, this is the one Spice got. Yeah, I was in the store the other day and had to get it for you. Oh my gosh. Because for the new baby girl. Oh, this is like little baby Elvis.

Bratz babies. This is so, oh my God, wait, they have a Bratz babies. I'm so gag right now. So they're reproduction. These ones specifically

were made in the 2000s. They're like remaking them now. Oh my gosh. And I got one for myself because I love her so much. But I like them better than the actual. I think they're so cute.

This is actually so cute. I love her little hair. This is wild. Does she have her bottle around her neck? Yeah, right. And they were controversial at the time because people said like, oh, they're babies. Why do they have makeup and stuff? But I kind of look at them more as like a character.

They're like miniature versions of like a cartoon. Yeah, it's a doll, everybody. It's not a real baby with makeup. Oh, my God. People get offended by dolls. Thank you so much. You have so many dolls. My Barbies last time. I'm just going to have a whole doll collection. I have them upstairs Oh my God. People get offended by dolls. Thank you so much. You have so many dolls. My Barbies last time,

I'm just going to hold out a collection. I have them upstairs in my office, like my whole doll collection. Thank you so much. This is so exciting. A little bit of everything,

a little bit. We were saying last night, we were like, oh my God, imagine if Elvis is a boy. I'm like, oh, he's still getting dolls. Oh, for sure.

Oh yeah, we were talking about that. A thousand percent. Oh, did you guys play with dolls when you were little? Oh yeah, us, us. What age, do you remember like the age or just from first memory?

This is like my favorite time. This is opening up Pandora's box talking about the dolls. My only memories, and you too, I'll speak for both of us, our only memories from our childhood is from my dolls. I think it's because you dissociate. Because it's like, but that was my happy place because for me, these dolls, they represented an escape from like the reality that I didn't want to be subscribed to as a kid, you know? Right. And it's like, that's why I was drawn to you and dolls.

It's like the glam, the fantasy. Yeah. Right? I think because it's like, because the women in our family, our mom and our sister, they're gorgeous and they're, of course, but they're more kind of plain Jane. Like they wear makeup and stuff, but they're not, they wouldn't wear what we, like they're not into they're of course but they're more kind of plain Jane like they wear they wear makeup and stuff but they're not

they wouldn't wear what we like they're not into like the you know they just do their little everyday to get by

so I think I remember growing up and looking at like my sister or whoever and I was like wait so you're allowed to play with dolls

but you don't want to and then I but then I just took the logic I'm like wait I'm allowed to do anything it's just a like do you know

no one's allowed to like. That's what I wonder. How did you know, one, that you weren't allowed because you're boys and then how did you flip the switch? Well, I remember actually, there was like a pool by our house. We were like five and we went there. And then we were playing with. A town pool.

We would bring our dogs. We didn't have a pool in the backyard. So you go. We would bring our dogs to the pool. And then I remember there was like other boys and they'd be like, Barbie boy, Barbie boy. Like, that's a community pool. We would bring our dogs to the pool. And then I remember there was like other boys. And they'd be like, Barbie boy, Barbie boy. Like, that's a bad thing. So then that's like subconsciously you're like, oh, the thing I like, that's not okay. See, I kind of hate little boys for that reason.

Like, I'm so glad I'm not having boys. Because like boys are brats. They do it to my daughter. They're like eight-year-old boys trying to like rip her sleeve. I'm like, okay, these little boys, are they always just trying to, I don't like it. And that situation right there where they're like Barbie boy. Oh, my God. That was my son. I would be like. And I'm like, sweetie, Barbie boy here. How. And that situation right there where they're like Barbie boy. Oh my God, that was my son.

I would be like. And I'm like, sweetie, Barbie boy here. How were you back then? Did you handle it like that? No, I was like very shy. We were the only little baby. You got shy, yeah. So you just didn't say anything back?

No. But I love that you brought the dolls to the pool. And I love that your parents let you bring the dolls to the pool. Yeah, our parents were great with that. And they would let us. I remember it was like probably by elementary school. It was when we got older. Then they were like, okay, you're older. Like you can, you know what I mean? was like probably by elementary school. It was when we got older then they were like,

okay, you're older. Like you can, you know what I mean? Well, yes, of course. But I think my parents felt it from their aunts and uncles. So on Christmas, if they gave us a doll

when we were really young, the uncles would be saying stuff like, oh, why are you giving your son that? So I think they realized it wasn't worth it. So I think they clocked that. And then they could also sense

us getting uncomfortable. So it was just, you know, you kind of learn. So what did they give you then? What did they start giving you at Christmas? We would just get like a teddy bear. We would get the fake gifts.

Because it was our secret. No one knew we collected dolls. Well, especially in middle school. It was our biggest secret. We were still collecting dolls, but we weren't playing with them. We were taking pictures. And that was kind of our drag back then. We would like take our doll and pose it.

You know, like people take pictures of dolls now. That's what we did. Oh, my gosh. So it was even scarier back then because we wouldn't really have our friends over because all of our dolls were up in our closet. And I remember one time- Hiding in the closet. In the closet.

Yeah. One time, my friend, she was more mischievous. She was like, what's in your closet? And I was like, oh, no. Oh, you don't want your girlfriend to know either? No, I don't want- Because she- Because someone made fun of us in school because in sixth grade, we were making were making little YouTube videos. I think someone found it. We're making music videos

To make them public one day We started making videos because we found a doll community online through flickr and YouTube and we're like, oh my god These people are just like us But then someone from our school found the video and then everyone on the bus was like, oh, you guys play with dolls? And look back, I'm like, what? Well, it was more, we kinda got clocked when we did our sixth grade school play, because we did, you were like the teen angel.

It was Grease. It was Grease. Oh, I knew, what were you, your teen angel? I was the one part. Oh yeah, the baby school dropout. I was Knicky somehow, I don't even know, but we were sixth grade. I love that you were Knicky, that's how I think.

Oh my god, if you did a Frenchie look. I did do a Frenchie look last year for Halloween. Rosanna Pansino was on. The way it wasn't giving everything, but it was there. But the guy who plays Teen Angel is literally our neighbor, the original one. I really want him on the podcast. He's like 85, and he lives next door. No, but Sugar was an iconic Teen Angel, because you added your own lines.

The drag queen popped out even then. You were like, come on, girls. And then they rocked out. I was ad-libbing, because I go your own lines. The drag queen popped out even then. You were like, come on, girls. And then they rocked out. I was ad-libbing, because I go, there's no small parts, only small actors. Oh, yeah. And I was like, wait, the whole school is seeing this? I'm in sixth grade. I got to give.

Were you a fabulous teenager like Billy Porter? Or were you like, what? I was so fabulous. OK, OK, OK. The school found out I was gay before I was. So we did that play for the school. And then every day, the next day, all of a sudden, I was gay. And I didn't even know it yet.

You too? Wait, why you? Because you were playing Knicky. Because we were doing that. We were just extra. Do you know what I mean? Fabulous Knicky. We were adding things.

I remember. Do you remember a line that you did? Let's hear it. What did you say? Well, it wasn't a line. It was a move. It was during the summer love empire. Yeah.

I remember I did the move where you turn to the back and you make it look like someone's making out with you. Yeah. And then they were like, oh, I like that. Everyone do it. So I was just adding my little spice back then. So what was your spice doing? What did I? I think I was shaking your hips or something. Yeah, or I just said certain things. Just imagine spice. She still had two left feet.

You had the charisma. That's cute. I love that. You know what? I greased my hair black and it would be like back black. And we sprayed it black and I was feeling my little greaser fantasy. Oh, you looked, yeah. At that age, you guys looked very greased. Like, greased and fine.

You had the pretty face. You could have been. I'm surprised you didn't get Danny. Like, Danny's the lead. I'm surprised you wouldn't get that. But I think we were in sixth grade. That was our friend's side. We were lucky.

Normally, the eighth graders get the blue part. Oh, I see. So it was like, okay. We were the newbies. Oh, wow. Yeah, to get those bigger roles. Did you do plays or no? I did plays, but it was always background.

And I was in Greece, and I was just, you know, background. I didn't even get, like, Patty's in class or anything. But who'd you want to be? Oh, my God, Sandy or Rufo. You are Sandy. I got nothing. I never got one speaking part ever. Even the orphans and Annie, I was just, like, orphan number five or something.

Really? Yeah. I look at you now. I never. Speaking every day. That's why I did those videos. Like, bet on it and stuff like that. I'm like,

I want to be the Zac Efron. I want to be, you know. I feel like you were on that by the way. What, the Zac Efron? Were you trying to get Zac Efron? Yes, you know him. I would love him on.

I don't know how. I'm obsessed. He's my favorite. You call him up right now and you know it's a grand thing. you're going to finally party. I'm asking this like because that's our best friend.

Zac Efron is like my biggest crush at the moment. I'm kind of obsessed with him. Do you think he's gay? Ooh, interesting. Maybe fluid. Right. I don't know him with him. Do you think he's gay? Ooh, interesting. Maybe fluid. Right. I don't know him at all, but I don't.

I honestly don't. No, he's straight. He's totally straight. Well, I know a lot of girls that are like hooked up with him and stuff like that. Not like personally, just stories I know. But I feel, you know, he's so good and like great to show my history. I feel like he could be fluid. You know, musical theater people are usually a little, I think everyone's on this back

It's 2024. If you're not fluid, then what are you? Like, what's opposite of fluid? Fluid is solid. Solid. Yeah, who wants to be solid? Don't be solid.

No. So after that play, did you guys do more? Because you're a singer. I mean, you guys got the rock. You always had a really good voice. I mean,

like, but it wasn't, you know what, I love singing and I love, like, performing, but not in,

I really, that specific vehicle of like, because you know, it's like you're in the back and it's very, but not in that specific vehicle. Because you know, you're in the back and that's very camp. They're like, oh, you've got to be slapping. Everything's overdramatic. You don't love being over the top. I like the over the topness of it. I like it.

You know what? I think I, looking back, it's interesting. You can go back to your childhood and be like, oh, let me tap in here i think if i go down to like a real level i was probably i probably sensed that i was making the other kids uncomfortable and i didn't want to so that's why i was like okay let me abort wait for what for what reason did you think you're making them uncomfortable because because everyone's gay in musical theater no right but i think it's just it's a very gay thing looking back because we were so tied to the hip then, because I think we were just so our own entity that...

Also, we didn't get along with the... Well, not that we didn't get along. I had some musical theater friends, but, you know, musical theater girlies, it's a very specific

type of person. We don't have that competitive energy. So they were like, well, what do you mean you just want to have fun? Oh, yeah, yeah. You don't want to be

the best at this? Don't you want to rehearse every single day? I was like, no, this is just a cute thing. We were't want to be the best at this? Don't you want to rehearse every single day? I was like, no, this is just a cute thing. We were in the back talking to the girls and braiding their hair. Yeah, they were being serious about it. You know our friend Angie. I remember we would be with Angie, and I'd be taking photos of her and editing her makeup

on Facetune. Oh, my God. I was like, oh, my God, imagine a smoky eye on you. Because, again, I didn't think I could do makeup. I actually feel like if we would have met in high school or met... Actually, I think at any point in life we met, we would have met in high school or met, actually I think at any point in life we met we would have been friends because I feel like we would have been

like the people in the play. Like we would have been in the back together like laughing. Oh I would have lived for it. Growing up like we didn't have any out gay people in our school. So we had the musical theater people that we knew were like gay or whatever

they just like weren't out. So they didn't want to be friends with like girls because they thought that was like gay which is weird because it's actually like straight. I don't know what it is. But it was the only thing. So I didn't know any gay people until I moved to LA.

Like I was like 18 or 19 when i met did any come out after the fact or no or like you know what's so funny no like they're still closeted but you still like kind of know someone got like married had kids and you still like but the people know you know it's like so weird but now i went back to my high school and now there's like open gay kids there all the time so but so that's like at least it's like you know expanding i'm from illinois like a little farm town so i don't know but i love that video years ago uh with your mom you guys went back to your high school that was long that was like 12 years 15 years ago because we went back to new york and i was like oh my god

we're like trisha when she went back to her high school but you guys are from um you're from long island yeah it's like rhode island long island new york no never i think when i met from long island i'm usually like scared i think jeff wittig's from Long Island. Yeah, it's like Rhode Island, Long Island. Long Island, New York, the pizza. Have you been to Long Island? No, never. I think when I'm met from Long Island, I'm usually like scared. I think Jeff Wittek's from Long Island. I think it's like, that's very like bro, right? Like kind of scary.

I would love a video if you were like eating like a Long Islander for the day. What is that? What would that entail? So you like wake up and like you go to the bagel place. Like the New York bagels. They love pizza and bagels. Oh, that's my favorite food. We do that all the time anyways.

We eat from Long Island. We're always getting bagels in the morning. Long Islander at heart. So you start with and bagels. Oh, that's my favorite food. We do that all the time anyways. We eat from Long Island. We're always getting bagels in the morning. Long Island, do it hard. So you start with the bagel, and maybe you'll get- I love it. Toasted, cream cheese. We'll just talk about our experience. You would go down to Joe's Delicatessen.

Delicatessen? Delicatessen. Delicatessen. Yeah. We're so smart. I've never heard someone say that out loud. Me neither. I've seen it.

I've always just read it. Like Cantor's, I see like Delicatessen on there. I'm like, they should give it a nickname, but I'm like, oh, that's Deli. Oh've never heard someone say that out loud. Me neither. I've seen it. I've always just read it. Like Cantor's, I see like delicatessen on there. I'm like, they should give it a nickname, but I'm like, oh, that's deli. Oh, I didn't know that. Something I didn't know. Well, is that the nickname for a delicatessen? That's why they call it deli? I don't know.

How did we get here? It's short. Really? I thought it was like a deli sandwich. Like, that's like a name of a sandwich. Oh, okay. I don't know. Well, okay.

Anyways. So you go to the deli, and then, well, yeah, honestly, you're very like Long Island. Like, you'd have the Kraft Mac and Cheese. At night, you have the pizza. You go into town. I'm going to the deli. And then, well, yeah, honestly, you're very like Long Island. Like you'd have the Kraft Mac and cheese. At night you have the pizza. You go into town. I had that tonight. No, you eat pizza. Have you heard of Ralph's Italian ice?

Is that global? No. Oh, like the shaved ice? Like that you eat? Yeah, yeah. I never understood eating ice. Isn't that just like a skinny person thing? Because you're getting into the Long Island stomping grounds right now.

No, you've got to get into the Long Island. The ice cream half, it's like mixed half and half, so it's like more creamy. But is it fattening or skinny? Well, it's only fattening if you say it is. That's because ice is skinny. People eat ice when they're trying to be skinny, right? Well, you know what?

I feel like we oddly... And popcorn. I've been eating popcorn, but I definitely don't think it makes me skinny. I eat butter. Watching all your... Watch all your mukbangs for all these years

I feel like we low-key kind of have similar food tastes do you think because like for me like if it was up to me I would want to have

I love the pasta I'm like a little kid I want the pasta the chicken fingers the pizza the pasta and sometimes the pasta I just have the chicken fingers

and that's what I love I can get both of it pasta's my favorite thing just butter pasta butter noodles hello oh my god so good I have pasta for lunch I eat pasta for everything Pasta's my favorite thing. Just butter pasta. It's butter noodles. Hello. Oh my God, so good. I have pasta for lunch.

I eat pasta for everything. It's like my favorite. What's your favorite food? Ooh. Well, honestly, I've actually. She's a fraud. No, I've actually been loved. A fraud.

A fraud. Oh. Her name is Spice. My name's Spice, but I don't like anything that's like hot or spicy. I like flavorful. Wait, really? You don't like spicy? I just don't like when it's like hot.

Like I can't. You don't like the red chili flakes or anything like that? You don't put it on your pizza? Maybe a little bit. Like you could have a little pepper, you know, a little salt. Oh, that's cute. Other than that, no. So what's your, like what do you eat?

Like what would be your go-to food? Well, recently I've been like. Imagine going up to someone on the street. What do you eat? I don't know. Well, recently I've been getting. The answer is this is, you're the Barbara Walters of YouTube. What do you eat?

No, so I've been actually of YouTube. What do you eat? No, so I've been actually getting ordering. What's going on in there? Because I can't, I'm not dealing with cooking anymore. So I actually ordered from this place, Organico, and they have like everything. They have like salads, wraps, everything, and I can't pop off. I don't know if that's Trish Coded. I don't think I'm an Organico girlie. No, you could really dress up a salad.

Like I get like the Chinese dressing and the little chips. Oh, I get dry. If I eat a salad, I just eat the dry, what is it, like the leaves or whatever it is. I eat it dry. I think like putting wet stuff on it, it's like soggy. Like soup too, when people just eat like broth, I'm like, whoa. But is that actually true like when you're pregnant? So are

cravings actually, like is that actually a thing? For me, no, but I think it's just because I eat whatever I want whenever I want. I don't get cravings at all. I just eat the same. Oh, maybe. I've been doing that. Yeah, I feel like I'm always just pregnant because I eat the same thing. But I guess some women get it. I don't get cravings at all. I just eat the same. Oh, baby, I've been doing that. I feel like I'm always just pregnant because I eat the same thing. But I guess some women get it. I don't know. But it is wild. Because you guys don't do mukbangs

on your channel. You used to. I'm going to start doing them on my own YouTube channel because there's something about you get home after a long day and it's, well, I felt like you earlier. It's like, oh, you know, you got to get the content with the glam. There's something like, glam makes me wanna eat it.

Oh, for sure. No, I'm the same way. That's what I do. I'm like, okay, now that I'm glam,

you know, it's like, we won't have lunch together when I'm glam. I'm like, I gotta film. I gotta film me eating because I look so glamorous eating.

Okay, this is my question for you. Oh my God, I love it. I love it. Okay, hold on, hold on,

hold on. I'm like, I'm Trisha Paytas' number one fan. It's like, well, you say it and then I'll have, then I'll have then I have one question to get and then I'll say it. Do you remember the Amanda show?

Of course. I love Amanda Bynes. Do you remember? Do your must meet Amanda? Do you remember? It was like Amanda Bynes. She was like, Amanda, please. Where's Amanda?

I must meet Amanda. I have a website. What was her name? Right, right. Canellabeteen.com. Yeah, yeah. I loved her. Yeah.

Oh my God, if you spoofed the Amanda show. Do you guys want to be in it with me Amanda Bynes has a podcast I want her on I would love to be on it oh my god that's who you have to get to she's so high

you met her like last week you met Amanda Bynes you met everybody no I didn't meet her I saw her at a Chick-fil-A like months ago but apparently with this like people

after the fact I was telling my friends and they were like oh girl no like she's been like out like people have been like spotting her on TikTok. She's been hitting the clubs? No she's been at certain restaurants. She's been at certain

restaurants. At Chick-fil-A of all places. So outside I'm on the line and from the corner of my eye because I didn't really know I wasn't up to date of what she looks like or whatever but I turned in the corner and I was like is that Amanda Bynes sitting there? Was she bleached blonde? She was bleached blonde and she had a hoodie on and then I was like okay no that's Bynes sitting there? Was she bleached blonde? She was bleached blonde and she had a hoodie on. And then I was like, okay, no. And then I was like, okay, no, that's not her.

Like, whatever. And then they said on the thing, they're like, Amanda. And then she went up to go get it. And then someone went up to her to, like, get a picture. And she was just sitting there by herself. Like, nobody just, like... No way. I love that. Yeah, she seemed so real. I love Amanda Bynes. She's just at Chick-fil-A. I love her. Wait, so what are your opinions?

So you're at Chick-fil-A. You eat it. I never know if we're supposed to because everyone's like, no, you're supposed to boycott Chick-fil-A. We want to go there and pull it around. We want to do a viral video because now that we're back and stronger. Is McDonald's still over? I don't know.

Yeah, McDonald's. America's still eating that. Now that we're back and stronger and now it's like, oh, we can actually be friends. Now that we're not friends, but we don't have to do it. You and Stranger Spice?

Right. We don't have to do it. Or Chick-fil-A. Or Chick-fil-A. You and Chick-fil-A. Well, no. Now that we're back. You and Chick-fil-A or you and Spice? Now that we're not friends, but it's- You and Stranger Spice? Or Chick-fil-A. You and Chick-fil-A or you and Spice? Now that we're back together, I'm like, ooh, we're besties again so we can film fun videos together. Wait, what happened with the split? Did you guys ever talk about it? Who isn't here from last time? No, we just need time.

Wait, whoa, I see. Girl, you're so scared of people you can say you broke up with someone no it's not about you you're lying

you just don't want to bring up the feelings even like before when we were talking about the drag race girls I get so nervous talking about other people I'm working on that

I don't care anymore because I'm always like oh they're gonna see it they're gonna see it but for me it's like girl don't take me seriously this is entertainment that's how I say to you

I'm actually like the worst person to ever take seriously. I'm like, I am a mess. I am the hot mess of the internet. But then at the same time, I'm always just like, I don't want to be scared either. But at the same time, like people have seen that I grow, so I don't want to like ever throw shade. So then when Lucy did, like I wasn't trying to show shade. I was just like, I don't know.

I don't know what I'm doing. I'm kind of messy. I don't know. But I feel like you, I mean, you've been in this game for so long. So I feel like at this point, it's like you're used to someone someone saying, oh, I don't like her, da-da-da. But I've realized it's like, you can't worry about these people because it's like, literally, you could cure cancer. And they're like, well, you didn't do it soon enough. Yeah, no, for sure.

Ooh, that was a good one. Yeah, that was a good quote. I mean, it's true. But see, this is spice being nice. This is the nice side. You're like, I want people to like me. I don't want to talk. I like it.

But also, but then I'm back and forth. But then there's a part of me where I'm like, no, I want to be unapologetic and say my opinions and not care because I actually don't care. I go back and forth.

Right. I'm the same way. That's why it's good that we're siblings because we have our conversations where we'll go in and then, so it'll be like,

I'm going, I'm going to make, we'll like, oh, I'm going to say this and then we go, actually no we have not released

because then you realize it's not worth it because then they think it's real like for me it's entertaining it's fodder I don't actually care

do you know what I mean that's what I feel I feel like especially with the drag world I thought it was cute to be like shady isn't that like a thing like you're reading

this is gonna be a good segue to my question I love Lucy DeLuca by the way you can watch the podcast maybe I'm jealous of her I would love it we can like live vocal together.

Just start singing. The musical theater girls. Let loose. Hold the nipples. That's actually so good. Why is that so good? Is that her song? I think so.

She's a fan. Shout out to Lucy DeLuca. This is so random. Lucy DeLuca. Lucy, I love you. I love you too. I actually do. Maybe I'm a little too jealous.

Okay, the irony. We're going to tie loose end from the beginning because Miss Sugar will do that. I think I was actually do. No, I literally love her. She's, okay, the irony, I think there was, we're going to tie a loose end from the beginning because Miss Sugar will do that. Okay. I think I was saying something, oh, about the press week. That was the whole point.

Yeah. She was the really nice one. Like, out of all the girls, I think we got back. We called her and I was like shaking because like, I was like reading the comments

from all the things. I'm like, oh my God, do all these girls really hate us? And she was like, no, like she was really sweet. No, she was nice. Okay, okay, okay was really sweet. No, just she was nice. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, we love that.

So, yeah, that was nice of her. I love it. I think I was just mad because she won the Snatch Game and I thought you should have. So maybe I was, like, defending. Because I was like, oh my god. No, you're a very defensive mother. You're a defensive mother.

You're a defensive mother. I was like, okay, I love you. We love you. So the question was, so we're talking about the drag world, but we can get a little bit more into the gay world because on the way here, I was thinking about it.

I was like, I'm sure. So do you know, you know what, like a bear and a twink and an otter. Otters and twinks and bears and moths. I just learned about otter. So you know the two. What do you think an otter is? Moses is a silver daddy otter, according to Gigi. A silver daddy otter.

I was so scared. Because there's little sub-tribes. Yeah, there's sub-tribes. What's an otter? Yeah. An otter is just like, well, normally they sub-tribes. What about Otter? Yeah. Well, Otter's just like... Well, normally they're a hairy twink. I think.

Really? Like, there's someone that, like, looks young. Or mildly hairy, maybe. Not like a bear. They're just, like, hot and hairy. Right. So that works. Is there any gay that's not hairy?

Is it all... They're all hairy? Well, we're twinks. Well, a twink. Oh, you're a twink. Twink is, but just a little. But I am, like, hairy. Well, I have to...

I'll shave my arms. But I don't know. Even, like, someone with my friend, they're like, no, no, baby, you're a twunk. I'm smaller than you. I'm a twink. And I was like... Wait, what's a twink. Twink is a little. Well, I'll shave my arms. But I don't know. Even like someone, my friend, they're like, no, no, baby, you're a twunk. I'm smaller than you. I'm a twink. And I was like. Wait, what's a twunk? I think a twunk is a little bit more muscular.

A twink and a hunk. So there's hunks. So the hunks are very like the Instagram baddies, like very like kind of beefed up. Okay. Would Troye Sivan be a twunk? He's a twink. Oh, really? What's your gay type?

Troye Sivan. Okay, so a twink. Oh, my God. I had a dream. That makes sense. I mean, you guys like out of drag are my type. You guys know. he's a twink but what's your gay type like Troye Sivan okay so a twink oh my god I had a dream that would be that makes sense you guys like out of drag are my type

you guys know you know the type I like I like the pretty boys I used to never be like into the twinks but recently I had a dream that like me and Troye Sivan

were dating and we were like on a flight to like you look more like twins than we do is he gay he's gay I think so

so okay cause you would date them or he could be queerbaiting we don't know no he is he is girl You look more like twins than we do. He's gay. I think so. Yeah. So, okay. Because you would date them. Or he could be queerbaiting. We don't know. No, he is. He is, bro. He's like the one gay pop song. So you could date.

Well, but I feel like gay is when they meet. It's like dogs sniffing each other's butts. It's like you're feeling each other out. But then I'm like this. Yeah, literally. Oh, she's quick. She's a drag queen. She's a... Well, that wasn't really... See? Thank you. That was a drag queen. Yeah she's quick she's a drag queen she's a

well that wasn't really see thank you she's a drag queen she's a comedian but isn't it weird I'm like do straight people have that

where there's like they go oh you're a twinker but you're a bear but you're this and I like this do straights have tribes I think just fat and skinny like I don't like fat girls

I prefer skinny you know I think that's what it is right kind of same thing bears and twinks well do you know about Shiro7? Shiro7? What is Shiro7?

Shiro7. The sprinkle, sprinkle lady. The sprinkle, sprinkle lady on TikTok. No, I don't know sprinkle, sprinkle. Oh, we need to get you out to her. Well, you don't need to watch her because you already have a man. Basically, she teaches like young girls because she has like a very privileged lifestyle. Let's just say a man's a provider taking care of her.

And she teaches other girls basically how to secure the bag. And, you know, she basically tells them, you know, this is a game. So it's like you got to play the game and like all the tricks. Would you want to be sugar babies? I don't want to deal with people. I don't think that either. I used to want to be a sugar baby, but I'm kind of like, I like to just be like, I can buy this.

Well, it's a full-time job of mind games and manipulation. It's a full-time job. mind games and manipulation. It's a full-time job. She explains it, and she's great. And, like, now that we said it, she's going to be on your TikTok feed. Because the girls are like, wait, like, she's dropping facts, and she actually is so funny. Because she just has all of these, I guess, like, life advice on basically being like, these men, they don't love you. They're going to, because I guess she has her terminology. I love, I love,'t love you they're gonna cause I guess she has her terminology I love I love I don't love you

yeah no basically she's saying like play the game like these older men that are going for these young girls are playing oh for sure

she's like they don't want they don't want you for men they just want you for sex so you get them for money yeah yeah yeah for sure the old men I would just say stay away from old men in general

they're just creepy as hell you know and you'll regret it later on you're gonna be my age I've never dated anybody in their 20s I'm like I wish I did you know I was dating 40, 50 year olds I've only dated 40, 50 year olds and you'll regret it later on. You're going to be my age. I've never dated anybody in their 20s. I'm like, I wish I did, you know. I was dating 40, 50-year-olds. I've only

dated 40, 50-year-olds, and it's like, oh, man, I wish I had that era of, like, Zac Efron in High School Musical. Would he be a twink in High School Musical? He's a twunk. He's a twunk now. Do you want to, like, name, like, male celebrities, and we'll tell you, like, what they are? Or should we say them? No, girl, I'm dead. Okay, so, like, Zac Efron

in High School Musical would be He's like a twonk. A twonk in High School Musical. What about him now in like Iron Claw? Well, to me, he's kind of like a muscle bear.

A muscle bear? I haven't heard of bears. Bears is hairy. Well, yeah. What's the difference between a mother and a bear? He's got a spare watch, I guess, yeah.

Right, okay. Okay, what about do you know The Weeknd? Oh, your husband. Yeah, I love my second husband. The Weeknd. I think he's. Yeah, I love my second husband. I think he's a bear. I'm his wife. Honestly, now that I think about it, I think most, like, if you think of, like, the stereotypical type of, like, dad, or I feel like a dad, but it's kind of, like, bears.

Oh, there's a dad? What's a dad? Like a dad bod, I feel like that's kind of, like, bear. Okay. But then if you're muscular, like, that's, like, what's that guy that you were upset, Thor? Or the guy from the, what was that show? Game of Thor? Oh, Jason Momoa. Jason Momoa.

Loves him. What's he? He's kind of, to me, he's kind of like a muscle bear. So there's a muscle bear. He's a bear, but he's like. Girl, why can't people just be people? I know. I know, I know.

Don't label this too much. Wait, who else? Okay, let me think of another. It's fine. I know, I'm trying to think of other male celebrities. I'm like, I'm in my kick of... Ethan Slater. Do you know him? Who's that?

Ariana Grande's new boyfriend. Oh. He's a twink. He's a twink. Yeah, he's a twink. Okay, wait. Who are the other male celebrities? I'm sure the album's coming out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess and. Yeah, I'm excited. She's on it. Eternal. Yeah. You're like the pop culture queen. Yeah.

I mean, I have a podcast now. I need to keep up with it. You know what I mean? You're doing your homework. My favorite thing ever is when Oscar will give you, like, a new topic. And, like, I could tell you're, like, you're, not that you don't know much about it, but, like, you're not really interested that much. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So you just say, like, your response is just always so me. Yeah. Because it's like, what? I know. Why are they my mom? Usually I don't get it. But if I get it, then I get it. You know what I mean?

It's like, I never want to be, yeah. What about Oscar? Oh. He's probably, like like an otter or a bear. Okay. Yeah. An otter bear. I love that. Maybe there's other words.

Are there other ones I'm missing? Honestly, some of them you're kind of wrong. Yeah, probably wrong. I don't know. Secret saying no to some of them. Secret saying we're not right. I don't know. I really don't know any of these.

I mean, I hear the terms, but who's your ideal, like, celebrity crush right now? Ooh. I mean, I never really had a celebrity crush growing up. Oh, my God. How do people not have celebrity crushes? I don't know. That's so weird to me. I'm obsessed with celebrities.

For me, I think just growing up. I'm thinking. I don't know. The straight men kind of scared me. Right. So I couldn't, like. I was, like, an asexual being growing up, though, until college. Interesting. I'm trying to. Who are, like, the hotties at the moment?. So I couldn't like, I was like an asexual being growing up though until college. Interesting.

I'm trying to, who are like the hotties at the moment? Oh, I don't even know either. Oh, Jacob Lordy. Do you guys like him? Oh yeah. He's an imp boy. But you know what? When I'm like annoying in that sense, when everyone loves someone, I'm like, no.

Now I'm trying to be with everybody. I used to be like, I don't know this person, but now I'm like, I'm going to get liking this person because everyone likes him. So I need to be that way. Because when you're old and you have to try to fit in with the new generation. You know who we always loved? Prince Eric. Where's Jusuf?

I just want a prince come to life. Yeah, that would be cute. And also, you don't have to deal with all the toxicness. I just want a pet. I'm going to get a dog. I'm going to buy love. Oh, okay. Like a natural dog or a man.

There's like golden retriever boyfriends. You've heard of that. But you're going to buy love. Oh, okay. Like a natural dog or a man. I'm going to be. There's like golden retriever boyfriends. You know, you've heard of that. But you're going to get a real dog. Yeah. But I don't think you can like. Yeah. Be in. I mean, you can't be in a man.

What energy would you say Moses gives like dog wise? Like is he golden retriever? I don't know. I don't know dogs. I have no idea. Like maybe. The only dogs I know are like Pomeranians. But he's not a Pomeranian.

Maybe like a. Who are the. Like maybe like a Rottweiler. A Chihuahua? A Chihuahua. Not a Chihuahua. You're very calm and like collected. Serene. A Rottweiler. Is that what I just said? No, I was right. You're a Rottweiler. Because he's very like, he's like my security guard. You know what I mean?

If someone comes to the house, he's going to like run out and like, you know, jump and take us up. You guys are the best. Yeah, he's kind of the best. I feel like you guys are like the internets and just worlds. Like, Insmo, how does that feel coming from someone that we've seen you go through the trials and tribulations? Didn't you date celebrities too? Or you did?

I like Z-list celebrities. I was never like A-list. The iconic guy from, what was it? Who was it? Desperate Housewives or something. Yeah, he played gay in every movie. Oh my God. Well, I mean, that was awesome. But was that your goal?

Did you want it? He was like 50 when I was like 20. was that your goal did you want it like did you want it when i was like 20 was that your goal to date someone that was really bad or what do you more about the money no no they didn't have money i was dating actors i like had no money you know what i mean but i thought it was like yeah but i loved like the fate because i love celebrities so to me i was like oh my gosh like um yeah so how does it feel now that it's like now people are like oh my god you're goals no I haven't done it all

and like you were coming from crying on the kitchen floor so is it like wait whoa like I didn't think this was a possibility for me but I never thought it was

it's crazy and like I never thought like perfect relations exist I always thought you had to like fight in relationships so yeah it does feel like surreal that's what I would say even though I was like

I always talk about like celebrity crushes I would never leave Moses for the weekend or Zac Efron or anybody because he's like so wonderful and I know like even the D-list celebrities I've dated, they're just so like assholes and about themselves. And it's always about them.

You know what I mean? But Moses makes me feel like the celebrity. He always feels like, you know, like so much energy. And like it just makes so much sense you two being together because I feel like he really allows you to be the star that you are. Thank you. But Moses is also such a star. But it's like you guys together are such a little power couple. Yeah, he definitely – no. Because I've been with people who also like want to be the star that you are. But Moses is also such a star, but it's like you guys together are such a little power couple.

Yeah, he definitely, no, because I've been with people who also want to be the star and stuff and gets it on camera and stuff with me, but doesn't care about that stuff. So it's just bad. He's supporting you. Yeah, so it feels good. Must be my feminine energy, ironically,

because I used to be very girl boss independent, but I was kind of over that. Now I love having someone take out the trash and let me just be me and stuff like that. Well, that's what Shira Seven take out the trash and, like, let me just be, you know, me and stuff like that. Well, that's what Shira Seven says. She's like, you need to be in your feminine. She was like. No, she makes videos.

She was like, if you want a man of means, baby, you have to look the part. If you're, like, dressing in drab clothes and no one's going to pay. She basically, like, to catch these people out. Is that what you, like, is that your goal, you think, to try and find, like, a dress? Do you want, do you, because you said you were asexual in high school. And as far as I've known you, you weren't really interested in dating. So are you interested now? Would you want to have a partner?

You know what? Now that I'm in my own place, I definitely feel ready. Yeah. A few years ago, I would have probably said I was ready, too. But, you know, the universe, it just wasn't. But, you know, we're so focused. it wasn't ready for it yeah and you're so young I feel like at 25 it's like are you like but for me like ever since I've been like starting

my like music project I haven't even thought about that I think it's cause it's like when you're so I think a lot of times I'm my most boy crazy when I'm bored and I have nothing like people will jump from one thing but when I have something going on I'm like no that have nothing. Yes. Do you feel that? Like people will jump from one thing. Right. But when I have something going on, I'm like, no, that would be in the way.

Yeah. I'm like, you know, I would be the worst boyfriend right now if I were to date someone. I never dated anyone until I was like 30 because I think I was always just like making myself busy. Maybe I would want one, but it just didn't happen because I was like so busy. Right. Have you ever been with someone who's into like you being in drag, like when you're like intimate?

Oh, no. You know what? That wouldn't even be a question for me. No? You wouldn't want to do it? I've been on twice in drag. Oh, my God. So once was like the first're like intimate? Oh no. You know what? That wouldn't even be a question. No? You wouldn't want to do it? I got hit on twice in drag. So once was like the first time

I went out in LA and it was this guy like I knew out of drag and like he was cute like whatever but I remember he like put his arm around my back

and he was like looking good sexy and I was like Oh my God. Because for me I immediately ran away and he probably thought I was so rude

and I came back and I was like sorry there was a fly. Came back. That's good. There was a fly. Because for me, I immediately ran away and he probably thought I was so rude and I came back and I was like, sorry, there was a fly. I came back. That's good. There was a fly. Because for me, I don't, this isn't a sexual thing for me. This is my art project. And for me, when I get up into drag, it's actually a way of desexualizing myself.

Interesting. Because the people that are typically interested in men, they're not. They want to be interested in a woman. So that's what, like, basically the people we like. I'm able to be hot, sexy, and gorgeous without, like, doing it for the male gaze. Does that make sense? Oh, interesting. It's kind of the opposite.

Yeah, it's weird. No, I kind of see what you're saying, actually. I'm like, so I can go out and feel, like, gorgeous and sexy, but it's not in a sexual way. The men that we're attracted to, they're not attracted to a feminine person, like a woman. I see what you're saying. So it's like when I'm dressed as a woman,

quote unquote, they're not, like it's not sexual. I get to just be my artistic self. Interesting. And for the longest time, I mean,

thank God for RuPaul and making Drag Race popular. It was not cool to date a drag queen. No. Oh really? Especially in the gay scene. It's like,

if you were a drag queen, that was the kiss of death. And in some cases, well, no, I don't think that is anymore because I think people have grown and also drag has gotten better. Yeah, it's very mainstream.

But we always want to be an example that you can do it all. You can be feminine. You can be masculine. You can be in between. This is literally all disguise. It's all, this comes off as,

it's literally just for fun. So it's like, you can do it all. Like for me, it's like, this is literally all disguise. It's all, this comes off like, it's literally just for fun. So it's like, you can do it all. Like, for me, it's like, I love when, like, I'm attracted to more, like, quote unquote, masculine men. But I like them to be feminine. I don't want them to. I love a femme. I have to know that you're a little bit, like, gay. You know what I mean?

Oh, I love it. I love a little gay and a straight, too. Because it's like, that's actually really masculine to embrace all sides of you, even your femininity. Oh, my God. I got to be feminine, wear pink, all that stuff like that to me, I was like, that's the sexiest thing. Like toxic,

like football, all those people, I was like, I can't do it, you know, it's too much. But that's how you guys became like famous

is like transitioning from like the boy to the girl because everyone's like, oh my God, there's these hot boys and then you were like the Zac Efron's

and then you like become like these beautiful women. Which is so funny because the boy part was drag as well. The boy part was drag too and I don't think people realize that.

Oh really? But you have to talk about our formula to go viral. People don't know. I don't know secrets. I think it's true. The haters always make, well, they're just cute, so that's why they go viral. I'm like, no, baby, no, no, no. You know what I think?

I'm untalented all you want. It works out for me. Also, sometimes I don't like to expose myself because you can get away with so much when people think you're dumb. Right, of course. I think the girls like it. No, but also we've already shown ourselves as bimbo. So that's already out there.

So we can kind of. We can kind of do it. They will always think we're not smart. Yeah, right. Oh, I love having low standards. That's why I'm always like, wow, she's actually smart. No, yeah. It's okay.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so the formula. Well, Trisha taught us everything we know. So basically, we were doing TikTok in 2019 when it was, I remember doing it before Addison Rae and Charlie even blew up. Oh, yeah, I remember you guys on it. Yeah, it was like.

No, but Sugar, you were really in on it. It was fall 2019. She showed me Charlie. She was like, this girl's about to blow up. And I was like, oh, wow. And like, so yeah. Right. So basically, we were posting our, this girl's about to blow up. And I was like, oh, wow. And like, so yeah. Right.

So basically, we were posting our, and our drag was really crunchy then. And thank God for TikTok because us doing a new look every week, it got us better. Yeah. And the better we got at drag, we were going viral more. But what we learned is, oh, wait, if we present as like gay, feminine boys. Like what we would actually wear. Like what I would actually wear at the time especially it doesn't do as well

were you dressing feminine as boys it was just like my fun gay boy style like crop tops it was a crop top fishnet it was honestly

just more stylish I love the fishnets I love you guys with the fishnets so basically we were doing transitions jumped into the heels they would tank

into obliviation yeah so then we were like wait a minute. We're doing drag. Why don't we just do boy drag, too? And really make it opposite. Then we were taking comments.

And the hilarious part about this is I would just screenshot like this. If you look at all of our viral transitions, the comment is like the same. Because we made it look like we were responding to a hate comment. And we got a lot of hate comments. But we learned the comment had to be really specific. So I would literally take the hate comments. You are men. lot of hate comments, but we learned the comment how to be really specific. So, like, I would literally take the hate comments.

You are men, and you're whatever. Oh, interesting. It would be an actual hate comment, but then I would Photoshop it and make it, like, worse. Or, like, I would make it

No, you would Photoshop it into the, you never made it worse. Well, no, sometimes. If they were bad enough on their own, there was no need to Photoshop. But I was, like,

a marketing mogul. I go wait let me misspell the word so then all the engagement was they spelled it wrong they spelled it like that but then we learned

our first one that really took off it was like the wipe it down challenge oh yeah that was huge I had to figure out how to edit those

I never did it because I was like how do they edit those because you couldn't edit in the app at the time so I think we were making people also mad

because then it would be like oh wow I thought because we would walk people also mad because then it would be like, oh wow, I thought, because we would walk in and drag and then we'd flip to boys. They thought we did it one day. We would do the boys stuff like two days before and then we would never do it the same day. Yeah, it takes a minute to get both looks. Do you remember transition

era TikTok? Do you look back at the different eras of TikTok? Oh, I love the transition ones where it was like bippity boppity boom and then it was like but I was like, so not good at those. So I'm glad that's over. We learned a lot from doing those videos. Cause it makes you realize that people on social media, they take things for face value.

So we're coming in and we're dressing up as these like TikTok. We would study with the straight TikTok boys we're wearing. And we would do like, and we would be like from straight to whatever. And we know I don't, I know I don't look straight. What does that even mean? But we knew that then the comments would go't. I know I don't look straight. What does that even mean? But we knew that then the comments would go, oh, you don't even look straight.

Who's fooling you? So it was all for a good. So they would fall right into the trap. It works every time. It's all about getting people mad. Yeah. You have to, honestly, you have to trigger people. If you're not triggering someone, you're not going by them.

How do you feel now with TikTok? Like, your comments and, like, do you still have the same formula? Or are you changing it up now? Well, luckily, we don't have to do that anymore. Yeah, now they just let you. for us, I hated doing that

because for me, I just wanted to do my drag look. Yeah. I didn't care about that but I was like, well, I want my drag look

to be seen because I just spent from 8 o'clock in the morning it would take us all day to do our makeup. How long does it take you now to do your makeup? Now it's like,

I did mine in like two hours today but it was harder. I was like, skin tone differences are like harder, so you gotta like practice. You did the color yourself, the green and everything, that and the blue. Yeah, yeah, you mix it up. Oh, that's hard. The color's hard. Even when I've had professional makeup artists do my color, like when I've done Ursula, it's

like very hard for them to get the like contour and stuff like that. It looks amazing. It looks so cool. How do you think your makeup evolution has changed? Oh, well, that's really interesting, because when we started out, I mean, it was more like we wanted, we were hellbent on looking like Bratz dolls. We were like, that's our brand. We were the branding queens.

And people look back and they hate on us for it. I'm like, well, you know what? It got us. You remembered our name. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Sugar and Spice, the Bratz dolls. It's all about the journey.

Right. But also, it's like, I think what branding, we were talking about this the other day, I think what branding, what people should realize is that you kind of have, basically, it's just I think what branding we were talking about this the other day I think what branding what people should realize is that you kind of basically it's just having rules for yourself so basically we have all this

we wanted to do all these type of looks we wanted to do all the high fashion stuff but we were like no time and place that's later on down the line

we knew we were in our teen queen we knew we were in our American Ashley little like direct to DVD we couldn't afford anything too

but still I was like Sheen will do. Shout out Sheen. So basically we realized like, no, we can't do certain things. I can't do blonde. You can't do, like we were like, we gave ourselves rules so the brand could uphold. Because a lot of drag queens, a lot of the times it's just, oh, let me put on what I think is pretty.

But that doesn't work when you're trying to. Right. It doesn't make you stand out. Right. It doesn't give you a thing. Do you ever want to be Barbie? No. No, because you get so obsessed

with like your brand and your world. That's it, yeah. So that's why we love our drag because we literally get to be ourselves and that sounds so silly. You get to be our own people.

But like when you're a twin, literally, even, I mean, growing up, I don't care. It's like people just, oh, the twins, the twins. Yeah.

But when you're not referred to as your own name, growing up, it kind of like, I don't know. You're just always a group. You're just always a group. You're just always a group. Yeah, you're always.

So our drag was, now we get to be ourselves. So we still get to be the group, but that was the biggest compliment. In the beginning, when people called me Sugar, because you could not say that name at our house. You know what I mean? That was the dead name. Really? It was the thing that we came up with in our mind, and then people would say, I'm like,

oh, you think of me as an artist? Oh, you think of me as a boyfriend? I know the of me i know the bar talking about being the bar being on the floor yeah but like even now when someone's like sugar i'm like oh you see me as like how i see myself which is an artist and a drag queen so when you said you weren't allowed to stay at growing up what does that mean like you you had these names growing up when we started drag you wouldn't even know like we did drag up until two years ago when we moved here in our suburban house on Long Island. So you wouldn't even know that we were doing drag there. I see. We were just up in our room doing it.

It was the thing that shouldn't be said. No one ever saw us in drag. That was a big thing, even going to drag races. That was our first time being around a lot of people seeing us in drag in person. Wow. Because we were just, oh, our mom's coming upstairs running to the closet. Your parents haven't seen you till we bought? No, they did.

We'd be running downstairs. I would get in the minivan, and I'm like, I didn't care. No one upstairs running to the closet. Your parents haven't seen you till we bought? No, they did. We'd be running downstairs and I would get in the minivan and I'm like, I didn't care. Like, no one was gonna stop me. Picture us on the island in full high-hoor drag going up to the McDonald's

and sugar's on the heels. I'm in heels. We're driving around. I'm in heels driving and like, I probably shouldn't be saying this, but you know. So why can't you drive

if you can't drive in heels? Well, isn't it like a safety hazard? I don't think so. I don't think it's like illegal. Oh, okay. I think if you can do it, if you can feel it. So you would go out in public and go to McDonald's like this? Yeah, yeah. I think if you can do it, if you can feel it. So you would go out in public

and go to McDonald's like this? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you weren't like hiding completely. Well, no, that was our thing. We were like running out of the house and they would probably see the back of my wig

and be like, where are you going? And we're like, we just want to make eye contact. They would say, because they knew like we were getting, doing our makeup all day

like on the floor of our room and then through the night we would be filming and so they would always just say, oh, you're filming today. And we're like, it wasn't like we were getting, we were filming. Oh, okay. So they kind of our room. Right. And then through the night, we would be filming. And so they would always just say, oh, you're filming today. And we're like, yeah, we're filming. It wasn't like we were getting, we were filming.

Oh, okay. So they kind of understood it. They were like, okay, this is what they're doing. But God bless. But no, it was good. We wanted our space. We wanted our space.

I think for them, you know, it's easy to look back now and be like, oh, why didn't they get it? When you're a baby drag queen and you don't have all the accolades and all the things to back it up, which is sad, you don't need any of that. There's going to be confusion and also they're just going to be worried for you because it's a whole new world. I'm sure they're probably like, oh, our son's trans.

Are they this? They don't know. How are they going to make money? There's always a thing for us. Also, they're from a different generation. They don't understand. Oh, for sure. Now it's so cool. I'm trying to get back to a son that's a drag queen. Oh, my God, they're going to be a superstar. the thing for us. Also, they're from a different generation. They don't understand. Oh, for sure. Now it's so cool.

I'm trying to be like a Madison that's a drag queen. Like, oh my God, they're going to be a superstar. Oh, your discography. Okay. So if you had to look back, like what's like your favorite song? What's one that you feel like is slept on and you're like, you'll listen to at night when like no one's around? Yeah, do you listen to your music or not?

I do listen to my music. When it comes out of the car, I love my music. I think you should. I think it's such a bop. Yeah. I love all my songs. I love my sad boy stuff just because that was definitely like my music. When it comes out of the car, I love my music. I think you should. I think it's such a bop. I love all my songs. I love my sad boy stuff just because that was definitely my era, but I think as far as

pop songs go, obviously Freaky I love. I think Spanish Freaky was sucked on. I just listened to it today with my glam team. I was like, this is this. Oh my god, you did have a Spanish Freaky. I had a whole Spanish. Dame, dame, lo, tu, la. Freak, freak. I was very much like. How does the chorus go? Quieres un freak, just like me. Anyways, I was listening to it this morning and I was like, that's kind of like, I feel like it was kind of underrated. How does the chorus go? Yeah, just one freak. Just like me. Oh my gosh. Anyways, I was honestly doing it this morning.

And I was like, that's kind of like, I feel like it was kind of underrated. But yeah, I love listening to my own music. I think it's so fun. That's why I think you should be pop stars. Mind, I love that you're doing it. Yeah. I'm going to do this all with you. I'll do it.

Yes, you have to. What's your like ultimate fantasy dream? So for me, I'm. Well, you're really working on your YouTube channel, Sugar's World. Yeah, I'm really honestly going back. Is it Sugar's World? Is that what it's called? Yeah, Sugar's World. Yeah, I'm really honestly going back. Is it Sugar's World? Is that what it's called?

Yeah, Sugar's World. Yeah, it's just my channel. I love that. But I'm excited to do, because I was kind of doing little test videos in the fall. Because, you know, like when you're kind of overcoming a lot mentally, it was just, I didn't care what I put out. I was like, I don't care who watches this. I just need to practice, like, kind of like speaking to the camera again, because I was nervous to even, like, say anything myself. Right. I i don't know it's a weird like thing but now like taking a break and i've just

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And now, like, with my new apartment by myself, I'm like, I don't know. Like, honestly, this morning was, like, a dream coming true because I was filming the little, like, glam get ready for, like, Just Trish. And I was like, like, I know it's corny, but to be a little YouTuber, I'm like, oh, this is cute. Yeah, in your own space. I was having so much fun. And on days where I probably would have had anxiety of waking

up so early and, you know, because we'll get hard on ourselves because we're artists and we're like, oh, we want every little thing to be perfect. Like, we little used to think someone was going to get like a drag microscope. Even today, I was running late. Your lace is bad.

You're this. And we had to be easy on ourselves, but I think it started with us being such perfectionists and then when the world gets involved

and they're commenting on your drag which is like your baby, it's like, you know, you have to cross your T's and dot your I's. But then it's like,

I just want to be a human. Yeah, you're like, I just want to live my life and not spend my whole life. So that was a long roundabout right. But then it's like, I just want to be a human. Yeah, you're like, I just want to live my life and not spend my whole life. So that was a long roundabout way to just being like, no, I'm excited to finally just be me. And I have so many aspirations and

things I want to do, but I'm like, let's just take it day by day. Let's just be happy each day. Oh, that's the best thing. Being content in the moment. Being present in the moment. Oh, yeah, that's now. And that is so true. Because if you worry too much of the future, right now I'm like worried too far in advance. I'm like,

I need to just be present in the now because it's like the fun part, you know what I mean? You miss out otherwise. Honestly, recently I've been saying it's kind of,

the girls, I gotta get it, but like someone was asking me, they're like, oh, so like what's next for you? And I was like, oh,

I'm just following my, I'm following my joy. And they were like, what? Like that wasn't a good enough answer for them. But basically what I meant by that is like, when you follow your joy, you can never go wrong. Because if you think about it, your joy is your passions, the things that light you up inside that.

When you feel your joy, that's the universe, like, telling you, you're right on track. Keep going. It's like, you know what I mean? So if you follow your joy, nothing can go wrong. Oh, totally. So it's like, it grounds you, essentially. It grounds you. The vibrations, the chakras, everything.

But basically, if you follow your joy, whatever that is for you, some people, they have to find their joy. They have to find their passion. So it's a little harder, you know what I mean? But if you find it, if you get it early, then just run with it. Totally, yeah. Just follow it, and then more stuff comes. Stuff that you're already happy doing, more stuff comes, but you get it early, then just run with it. Totally, yeah. Just like follow it and then more stuff comes. Like stuff that you're like already happy doing, more stuff comes but you're happy doing.

Like for me, if I can just wake up every day and dream about the next drag look I'm doing, play with my dolls, write, go on a walk, and then go on a bike at sunset, a bike ride at sunset, I'd love to. A day in the life. I think you should do it. That's a vlog. That's actually so interesting because you wouldn't think it's such a

like a contrast from being a drag queen I'm like the anti-social drag queen that's what I was going to ask because you guys do stay out of drama like you're just never you never hear anything well besides your little moment

this summer you had drama? what was your drama? whatever wait I have to know about the drama you know what it is no no no

girl no it was about drag race yeah but with certain people it's like I think it's because she's Miss America today I love it

someday I'm Miss America but you know what it's just I don't want I just know how it feels when other people make videos about you and we

other drag queens have read us down all this stuff they've been the worst and I've watched it and I'm like oh I want to say this I want to get you so mad

I know how it can affect your day. So I don't want to affect anyone in a negative way. Even talking about Lucy before, I'm like, oh, shit. We love Lucy now. We love Lucy. Sing it again. Lucy. Love you.

What's the song? I don't want anyone to feel bad. Can we sing it one more time so she knows? Let loose. Let loose. Holding it together, baby. What's the use? Is this her original song or is it from the Wig Loose one?

Didn't they do a musical? No, it was original. I don't even. Yeah, but you know. I love Lucy to Lose. She really is. But you know what I mean? It's like.

I swear. I do. And you know what? This is one of the triggers for me, I think. On the show last year, there was like an Untucked or whatever where Sugar kind of opened up more about her family situation. And basically, that was the. Like, that was the it was we didn't want to talk about it basically yeah you don't want to talk about your family situation no like we never want to talk about it and the reason why i hated it so much was because yes it was our truth but then you have people

saying that's why i don't read the comments anymore they were trying to gaslight us and be like well that's not true because da da da da da da but no one knows your actual story no one knows you like it was and then of course our family finds out and be like, well, that's not true because da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But no one knows your actual story. No one knows you. So then when they're talking, like, it was fine. And then, of course, our family finds out. And then they're first thinking, well, that's not true. But it's like, you have your own experience. Right.

So it's like, I don't like to, I don't really like to, like, say, like, too much. Because it's like, I get triggered where it's like, if I say the truth. We'd rather just make art and inspire. And it's like, you know, but like, we're a drag queen, so we want to have a fun, shady moment. But then I'm like, it's not worth it. I think I'm too much of a sensitive soul. Like, I want, it's like that push and pull. You're like, you know, but like, we're a drag queen, so we want to have a fun shady moment, but then I'm like, it's not worth it. I think I'm too much of a sensitive soul. It's like that push and pull.

You're like, I want the attention. Then you get the attention. You're like, oh no. What are your signs? Cancers? Are you cancers? Yeah. You had July birthdays?

Yeah. Interesting. That makes sense then. That's why you'd be like that. Because I also feel sharing that kind of stuff though is like relatable to people who are also going through it, like if they're having a tough time at home. But I guess not, I guess what you're saying

is you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and like your family. It's not even hurting their feelings. It's just all of a sudden, if you say your truth, other people have their perspectives and their, so it's like. Right. I don't need my childhood trauma to be like talked about. On this wall.

I'd rather not go there. But for me, I've learned, it's actually been very healing the more I've opened up on my own things. Cause it's like, and I regret it and I can't look back and then I'll be like, oh, my God, why did I post that? Like something that's more vulnerable. But then I'm like – well, also it's like time and place. Like I feel like social media is entering different classrooms. I feel like you can't go on – like imagine you're on Instagram and someone's doing a TikTok video and they're like – No, TikTok's more FaceTime.

My husband cheated on me. It's like no. TikTok is so like messy with that. People love to spill all their tea. I feel like you've always been, how do you feel about that? Things that are too personal? Because I feel like you've,

especially with your daughters now. Is that like a push-pull? Yeah, I think with kids, it's like a whole different thing because the internet is going to judge so much. So obviously anything personal I want to share about her.

But it is interesting because it's like, I do like to be that relatable person when something does go wrong in life. But then it does open you up to vulnerability and also people attacking, oh, she wants it is interesting because it's like I do like to be that relatable person when something does go wrong in life but then it does open you up to vulnerability and also people

attacking oh she wants it for attention she's saying this it's just like there's so many things but I love to share I love sharing and that's why

I always feel bad for you and I want to jump to your defense at everything not that like I feel like finally it's like the forks that people

had out for Trisha they're like finally put down for now you never know I'm grateful for it that's why I don't want to get cancelled Trisha, they're like finally put down. For now. You never know. I'm grateful for it. That's why I don't want to get canceled.

That's why I'm like, I love everyone, for real. But I feel like at this point, it's like, can someone even really get canceled? No, apparently not. Look at all the people who are actual awful people that make comebacks. And you still get the views. Oh, they saw their fans. They're still doing tours. It's like, okay. You shouldn't be a terrible person.

What was his name? Daniel Radcliffe that got canceled with a comedy comedian? Harry Potter? No, Daniel Radcliffe. Oh, my. Daniel Radcliffe that got canceled with a comedy comedian? Harry Potter? No, Daniel Radcliffe. Matt Rife. Daniel Radcliffe. I was like, why did he get canceled? It was something with an R.

Where did he get that one from? Not Daniel Radcliffe. Matt Rife. Do you think he'll come back? Oh. No, he's... Is he Twink or Twonk? Imagine my celebrity crush, Matt Rife.

No, but people were saying that he was canceled, but then I'm like, but wait, he's not canceled. Now I'm hearing his name. His career just started. Isn't that crazy? I know. I know. It is kind of nuts. Yeah, to that, he's not because he's still touring.

He's still doing all that stuff like that. He really can't get canceled. What did he get canceled for? I don't remember. Just for being misogynistic or what? See, we don't even remember now. I'm like, yeah. He did something.

Did he do something bad? I feel like he did something bad. No, he feistuned his nudes. Oh, that's why he got canceled? Let's go with that. It was the Netflix. Oh,

the joke. Oh, the joke about domestic violence. But you know what? People on the internet, that goes to show, no one actually, no one actually even,

if you think about it, people are so fickle. But also, it's like, I just know deep down, if you ever, like, if you ever get caught in your head,

like, oh, like, that person is judging me or whatever, I'm like, let just know deep down, if you ever get caught in your head, like, oh, that person is judging me or whatever, I'm like, let's face it, people are about themselves. It really gives you peace when you think about the people that think about you, how seldom and rarely they actually do. It kind of makes you sleep better at night, because I'm like, girl, they're the main character of their own lives. Oh, totally.

If I said something weird, they don't care. Yeah. But if they do, if they are obsessed with you, you know, they get those certain haters that are just like obsessed with you and like everything. Then it's like, then you just feel sad for them at the end of the day. Because the people who like have lives, they don't, they're not thinking that much about it, you know? Like when I say something on a podcast, I don't even think about it until like someone

tells me like, oh, that person, I was like, oh my God, what did I say? And then I feel bad because, you know, I just talk too much. That reminds me, we had this one hater back. It was like when we were making the transition from. When you're starting out, you know the haters. Because you know the haters. Yeah, you know the haters. So you know the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the haters. So you know this girl. You know the name.

She would comment on all of our stuff. And she would be like, because she hated that we were doing drag. Yeah. And that was another thing. Like, we had a very small little fan base on YouTube when we started. But like, what other drag queen has to go through that? Not only like was not accepted in our real life, but online. Wow.

Like everyone hated that we were drag queens. And we were crunchy in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were just like these two twink little brat stalls. And it's like, you. And we were crunchy in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were just like these two twink little Bratz dolls and it's like, you know,

like we're in the beginning of our journey. It was like this middle, we found out, it was like this middle-aged woman that was hating on like two gay boys. It's always like that.

And I'm just like, why do you care? It's always like that. But they were like, go back to being boys. You're so ugly now. Oh my God. That was always,

that's why it is so sweet even before and you're like, oh, I love your makeup and all this. Because in the beginning it wasn't that. We opposed our drag and I think we probably lost, I remember I think I lost like 60,000 followers on Instagram.

Yeah, we lost a lot of followers. So it was like, we were taking a risk. But I'm like, this is my life passion. Because they were following for like a gay boy and now we're drag queens. So I understood why they unfollowed. And a lot of, let's face it, a lot of the gays, they're very, they have their own internalized homophobia

their own misogyny so it's like do you think you have gay fans? yeah well our gays that wanted us sexually that's why I love drag

because it gets them out of the way and you know what I can fully be myself but also it's like with gays specifically our fan base

has always especially on TikTok has always been like I think it was like 85% women. Oh, interesting. So we have like the girls and like the gay girls that love. So it's like, because they want to wear what we wear. They love the fashion. They truly understand us and they like

allow us to be ourselves. Like even if we're crazy or feminine. But the gays, it's harder to win them over. Not that I'm trying to. But I think also we have another layer to it because it's like, if any gay sees another gay being successful, whether it's a drag queen, it's a very like, oh, only me type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Totally. So, you know, it's a place, it's coming from a place of scarcity, of course. Yeah. But especially like if they think there's other things to be jealous of, not even just being a successful drag queen or whatever. That's when the projection comes on. Yeah. And that's when the projection comes on.

Yeah, so then it's like, hmm. So you're getting chronicals. Yeah, like even going back when you were like, oh, have you dated? And I'm looking back and I'm like, well, why haven't I? And I think it actually stems from once you're like 20 and you're starting drag and you're entering the drag scene, it's like that's not a good time because you're still trying to find yourself. And then in the back of your head you had the added dynamic of oh do they not like me cuz I do drag cuz that's a real yeah right you know a lot

of them are like mass for that oh I'm gonna bring you my auto those we get away from me get that gay shit away from me a lot of okay well here's the tea if you you'll realize we've caught on to it. A lot of times, the really over-muscly, like, muscle gays, they sound like Minnie Mouse. Oh, always. No, no, they're more femme than me. For sure. Oh, for sure.

And I'm a drag queen. Okay. And I'm like, oh, work. No, and it's like work. But it's like they would be judging me for wearing a wig. And you do that again? No, no, you just. Wait, do the high voice again.

That was sickening. Yeah, okay. Can I do one? They're like, yeah. He has a Minnie Mouse voice. I can't. Nothing came out. But do you know what I mean? You can't judge a book by its cover. That's whatickening. Can I do one? They're like, yeah. He has a Minnie Mouse voice. I can't. Nothing came out. But do you know what I mean?

You can't judge a book by its cover. That's what I thought. That is so true. Me? I don't even know what Minnie Mouse sounds like. Can you be like, what can I just? I'm goofy. Well, we need that one.

Oh, that was goofy. That was just Miley. He was like, I'm going to be Miley as goofy. As goofy. That was a good one, though. I liked it. You took her iconic looks, you know what I mean? People knew it right away.

Can you do voices or anything? Oh gosh no. When you said that just now. What about when you did shallow and the man's voice? I mean. Do you think people thought you were being serious? Like that was like oh I'm an actual artist. I don't know. It's so funny to me because I think the ones that are so obviously trolling

I'm like how do people like not know that? You know what I mean? I feel like you invented trolling online. No one trolls anymore. No you did. one trolls anymore no you did i miss trolling in like the fun way but now it's like if you do anything like right people just assume that you're being serious like i can't do any trolling because i just think it's like real you know what i mean well i think with your asmr you kind of get to do i mean roleplay i like your role playing i love like playing asmr do you think it has a little bit of trolling to it if people don't get it? Because it's kind of like you're in character.

In like the role-playing ones? Yeah. I guess. ASMR is like relaxing for a lot of people. I like it. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to tell. Even now I try not to like troll because I just don't want to.

It's like I'm in the air of like not offending anyone. But then I'm like, does that lose who you are? You know, like we were talking about earlier. You know what I mean? But what's that saying? When you fall, someone that falls. If you fall for everything, you stand for nothing. You stand for nothing.

Who said that? I don't know. Someone. Like Hamilton or something. If you fall for nothing. But it's true. If you fall for nothing, you stand for nothing. You fall for everything.

You fall for everything. So basically make a stance. I have no thought, though. I don't have a stance on anything. I flip-flop a lot. You just want to be standing. I think that's good, though. I want to go with whoever. If you think about it, we're not like humans. thought though like I don't have a stance on anything I flip flop a lot you know what I mean I think that's good though

if you think about it we're we're not like humans we are souls in a physical body I think every moment you can be a new person and change your opinion like that was last year that's not me anymore I'm new I don't know that person this is like a podcast too right this is a podcast what else would it be cause in my mind

you have to watch it on you it's the show like imagine not watching your vlog. But you know, like... Right, oh, because it's an audio. Oh, yeah, yeah. But in the world of a podcast, like, they don't know what we look like. They're just listening to your words and your heart. Right, yeah.

So they just know only that. Well, they say your voice is, like, the most unique thing about anyone. Really? Well, your voice is very unique. That's kind of true. No, just, like, in general, like... You're speaking, like, your voice. Like, no one compliments people on your voice. I'm, like voices are very deep. That's kind of true. No, just like in general, like. You're speaking like your voice. No one compliments people on your voice.

I'm like the crazy person. Like if I do go out, which is very rare, I'm like the girl in the back, like finding, that's like me flirting. I'm like, I love the sound of your voice. And they're like, what? I like that. That's different. Yeah, come on.

Like not just, oh, you have nice eyes. Like no. Well, no, also I'm that too. But you said nice eyes to me and I was like, oh my God, I like melted eyes. You're like, you have beautiful eyes. Oh my God, thank you. But and I was like oh my god I like melted eyes you're like you have beautiful eyes thank you but isn't flirting so like corny sometimes

because I love flirting I'm a bad flirter I like when people flirt with me like when you guys came in I was like oh my god thank you

I kind of felt a little like blushing you know wait so were you like in like do you did you have game when you were single like did you like work or like

no I never dated anyone until I was like 30 and even that wasn't my real first guy was Moses I lived with I haven't lived with a guy so like you lived with a boyfriend

you know I didn't have that experience they didn't deserve you I had no boyfriend nobody was interested in me so I had those hookups like with those people or whatever

that I thought was like a thing they were probably so intimidated by you no I don't think that's a real thing well no I think it is I was insecure

but I mean let's go to the facts Miss Thing you were financially stable by yourself. And I know it's like, what? Like, what are you talking about? But no, it's like a lot of men that could emasculate them. Is that the term?

Oh, for sure. That has happened with so many people. Yeah, they really felt some type of way. But then there's some people who are just like, let me pay for everything. You know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know. Oh, they would want you to be the sugar mama. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah

did you like it they were on the sugar babies they were like 50 year old like seggy oh so you would pay for these old men yeah it was kind of weird

wait did I admit we they were not hot either they were not Zac Efron the OG church fans do you remember this like the iconic like my sugar daddy experience

that was like my favorite video you did oh yeah and you were sitting down glam yeah well I didn't have like bougie sugar daddies mine would be like the cheap ones because there was like sugar daddy for me have you ever gone on my sugar daddy experience. That was, like, my favorite video you did. Oh, yeah. And you were sitting down glam. Yeah, well, I didn't have, like, bougie sugar daddies. Mine would be, like, the cheap ones, because there was, like, sugar daddy for me. Have you ever gone on the sugar daddy websites?

So, do they still exist? Yeah. I should, like, I should steal that name. Christian Mingle. Are you calling? Sugar daddy for me. Those were, like, everything. No, I did try to do the sugar daddy route, I thought, but I just, I wasn't that girl.

Like, who was the girl you keep talking about? The Sheva Seven. Sheva Seven. Sheva Seven. Well, she's a sprinkle, sprinkle lady. Everyone will know who we're talking about, but I just, I wasn't that girl. Like, who was the girl you keep talking about? The Sheva Seven? She's a sprinkle, sprinkle lady. Everyone will know who we're talking about, hopefully. Sprinkle, sprinkle. So is she, like, I would imagine, just tiny, petite, beautiful, like... No, she's not.

She's in her, like, 40s or 50s, but she talks about, she was like, baby, it just matters, as long as you look better standing next to him, that's how he's gonna stay. That's what she talks about. Oh, interesting. She's like, you could be a two, but if he's a one, then you're set. Because basically,

you have to be a 10 to them. I see what you're saying. But I've been with a lot of ones, and I feel like it's never worked out for me. But what do you think about this? Because she was saying how, basically, you can never marry,

like, the 20 out of a 10, looks wise, model guy, because basically, you're going to end up divorced, because they're going to have a linger on you no matter what. I was like, eh, I'm sure there are nuances.

If you went to the club and you had to worry about like, oh, imagine if you were dating a 20 year old model. Imagine all the girls at the bar. And then you're like, I think it's not going to work. Yeah, I don't think I would like that at all. I don't know. It's hard to tell. I don't know.

But I'm telling you, the uglies also cheat and they're also awful. So it's like you might as well go with the hot ones. I actually agree. I agree. Yeah, I don't think I would like that at all. I don't know. It's hard to tell. I don't know. But I'm telling you, the uglies also cheat, and they're also awful. So it's like you might as well go with the hot one. You came with everyone sucks. Yeah. I actually agree. I agree. No, you're right. Because I've been with only ugly before Moses, and I was just like, wow, they literally are

awful too. Only ugly. Only ugly. Only ugly. I mean, to me, I was in that route too. I'm like, ooh, I'm an 18-year-old next to a 50-year-old. Of course, I'm going to be the hot one, which I was. But there's still this weird thing in their head that they thought they were like better than me i think i was so

insecure and guys can like sniff that so they just like use that because i just i'm like yeah i'm like worthless or whatever and they're like yeah what would you tell you know like uh early career trash like 18 19 like when you like you first embarked like going to hollywood whatever you tell her about that advice what would you tell I mean, you guys are living the advice. I literally would be like, don't worry about boys. Because you know what I would do? Like that guy you were talking about from that show, I would just wait all day, every day. Like maybe he would come over.

He'd come over like twice a month or three times a month. But I would wait by the phone. And if he called that day, I would cancel auditions. I would cancel. If I was a background on the show, I wouldn't even show up. I was just like flighty. I was supposed to be on a Rhett and Link video. I didn't even show up because I'm like, oh's coming over at two like let me just cancel everything so you

made him like your whole world he was a whole world i did that from there was another like relationship thing i had at like 18 and i just like i was obsessed with them and i just like want to go to work i want to do anything so i wasn't focused on like going to auditions or anything and now i'm like even when i do cameos they want advice for like 20 years i'm always like just don't focus on like the guy or anything like that. Just, like, or even the money, you know? Just, like, focus on, like you said, what makes you happy and what you're doing now. And I wish I would have done that more. I think people now are smarter.

I think in general people are smarter than me, but I was obsessed with guys. I just wanted to be, like, married. It sounds like you probably had, like, a limerence. So, like, for me. Like, what does that word mean? Yeah, I don't know either, but I'm going to find out. It's reminding me when I was on Long Island in the suburbs and there was like this guy he was like one of the first people I had a crush on and

our relationship could never work because I was literally living in the there was no logistics but I think I got it's like you're obsessed and in love but it's really more of well you don't really love them it's just like you need an escape so you're gonna

hyper fixate oh i definitely did so that was me totally oh yeah and they were famous so i was like oh my association if we go out in public like i'm also with this person that's getting a lot of attention so i thought that's what i wanted and then i was like oh i just want to be famous i guess myself yeah because what they were the shira she was saying but also i say too, I feel like, basically, she doesn't know what to do. It's interesting, she doesn't even do TikTok. She does like long, like an hour long live stream. She gets on every week.

She sits up and she answers the questions. But she has her clips go viral. But what she was saying, one last thing about her. The last, the thing she was saying was basically if you want to get someone obsessed with you, you never, if you make them, like if you make them the center of your, basically she's like you want to get someone obsessed with you you never if you make them like if you make them the center of your

basically she's like you have to de-center men so they can be obsessed with you because she's like it's all about you so even though she's trying to get the money from them

she's like no I'm living my best life and they're just obsessed and they're trying to if you're obsessed with yourself they'll be obsessed with you oh interesting I feel like that works

I was obsessed with Moses at the beginning and he wasn't interested in me and then finally I gave up a little bit and then it kind of like came back around. Like I kind of got it. Well, because think about it. Say you're at a club, you're out or whatever.

And if you have someone keep on coming up to you, hi, oh my God, talk to me, talk to me. Even if you like them, in the back of your mind, you're like, oh, I have them. I can go find someone. Definitely, yeah. It's kind of like your ego. It's like, because it's like a lot of times, especially with men, it's like it's in their nature to like hunt.

So like if you if you give yourself up so easily they already have you they don't have to chase anymore they're on to the next that's so interesting that's why i'm so glad i don't have to date anymore because that game is so annoying you know and then when you just like each other and you just both admit it yeah it is a game at the beginning and then it feels so much better when you can just like sink in because at the beginning we were just like tumultuous because it was just so like i don't know if you like me and everything like that like oh i don't think you're attracted to me you know it's this whole thing and now you have girls now you're sorry now you have girls and everything like that. I'm like, oh, I don't think you're attracted to me. You know, it's this whole thing. And now you have girls. Now you have girls.

Now you have babies. Are you going to be like the mom where you're like, who are you dating? Like, are you going to be like, I'm cool. Are you going to be the friend mom or like the strict mom? Oh, I'm going to be the cool mom. Are you going to be the cool mom? I mean, I don't say no to anything. I'm just like, yeah, have that cupcake.

Have whatever you want. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. You're the best. I love it. Oh, my God. If you guys were sons or daughters, I'd be so excited. I think that's the way to go.

Okay. You're for yes, officially. But also, think about the people that grow up daughters I'd be so excited. I think that's the way to go. But also think about the people that grow up with such strict parents. They're the ones that end up rebelling. Oh for sure. Oh my God.

I was super religious and I lived with him when I was 18 in California and then like he was so religious like wouldn't let me date one of them who wore short skirts and then I became a stripper. I was like a hooker

on like Santa Monica Boulevard. Iconically. Yeah it was crazy. I wonder what those kind of hookers are they cross dressers or drag queens or? I don't know. Yeah. They're making their money.

They're Craigslist girls. Oh, is that a different? It's Craigslist. Oh, it was. With the roses, they would say 150 roses, but it was $150 because you didn't want to say the money. So it's like, I have 150 roses for you. I know the Craigslist escorting.

But was it like, were you like living for it? You were like, oh, it's like underground, but I'm like living for it. In the beginning, I thought kind of glamorous. You thought very pretty woman and stuff like that. But then you're just like, oh, no, this is like actually not glamorous at all. And the other girls were like not cute either. We were just all like, the pretty girls were at like the strip clubs making like good money. We're just like literally on the streets of Santa Monica Boulevard, which has changed now.

There's like a public storage there. It's actually like nicer. It used to be an abandoned parking lot, but it's a whole other thing. But anyway, have you guys ever thought about doing, like, OF or anything like that? Oh, no. Can we say it on YouTube? No, I think because I was so triggered from, like, when we were getting hate for doing drag because they wanted us to be, like, a sexy boy. Oh, the sexual thing again, yeah.

For me, that would be, like, I even look back because. It would be kind of going. It would kind of contradict. We did drag so people could see it finally as artists as a person and not so it would be going

and not sexualize you that's true interesting so you don't think of yourself like even in drag or outside of drag as like hyper sexual hyper

I have my moments of course but it's like I don't know I don't like to I'd rather just post my art online and go if you see me

out of drag that's cute but it's too much but for me I feel like what's the point of being hypersexual? Because honestly, the cheapest form of intimacy is doing a one-night stand, randomly hooking up with someone. I'm like, at this point, I don't even hook up anymore.

It's been probably almost a year. Well, no, I was going through mental things. But then you come back and you're like, actually, I only want to invest in something. Because it's like, even if I was to go for a sexual moment, it's like, I'm going to do it better myself. Yeah. Like, you have to train these men. No, it's a lie.

Also, one other thing about OnlyFans is like, I know people that do and I live. But I think what people, people make it sound so easy. I can just do OnlyFans. Oh, f*** it, I'll become a stripper. Yeah. And I'm like, but girl, first of all, you, that's a full-on career with anything in life. First of all, you gotta be cute. Right.

Because, I mean, but also, there's, hold on. You don't have to be, because you know, there's. You just up the draws and no one subscribes. It's like, well. No, but people think that, oh, I can just drop. What do you do after that? But people talk about it. Like, I can just drop everything and do OnlyFans.

Like, it's so easy. And I'm like, no, just like anything in life, if you want to be successful, the successful gays I see on OnlyFans, they promote and they push themselves. And they collab. That's hard. I respect the girls. The collab is crazy, yes. And I feel like OnlyFans girlies and drag queens.

We're a similar breed. It's like, yeah. We get each other. Right. You know, it's. You're putting yourself out there. Middle American, they're going to be like, oh, you make porn. But I feel for them.

I'll meet them out sometimes. And they're always so sweet. And it's like, oh, yeah, they go through the same thing drag queens go through with dating. People not wanting to date them because of what they do. Yeah, for sure. Did that happen with you when you were doing it? Oh yeah. Or what you were with?

We met right when I was doing OF and then yeah, that's why he didn't want to date me at the beginning. Which I totally, I get it. Like it's, it's because it is a hard thing to be with. I think, but I think it is different. It's not like you guys are like having like sex with other people. Right, right. As opposed to like when I was doing all of my wives

you know I was I was doing so he was like I don't want to which I understand I don't think I would either you know what I mean

but I don't judge someone for doing it but like do you want to date someone who's like intimate with other people I don't know but that's iconic but I think that's how

you inspire me online is to always reinvent yourself and do different things queen of reinvention you have your only fans there you have your show now you have so many different eras and I think that's even our friends we know certain people and they're like, oh, how do I get big on TikTok?

How do I do these things? And I'm always like, I don't know what to say. Because it's like. It just comes naturally. Yeah. Also, I think you have it or you don't. Even if you follow all the trends and all the right things. If you're not interesting, you're not interested.

Yeah. If you've ever seen those TikTok videos, like, well, well, you've got to make the hook better. Watch time, all that stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is the new trend following. And for me, I'm like, no. Let's put the camera down. Let's look in the mirror.

And just think about, in general, scratch making a video. When you walk into a room, do people want to talk to you? Right. Are you interesting? Yeah. Because you have your own thoughts. It's not going to translate to a video.

It's like, the people that are like, I guess get big on social media, it's because they're actual people and not these robots following these things. But I think that's with social media now. Of course anyone could put a video up and give themselves fame, but I think now that it's so oversaturated,

I think people are realizing that not just anyone can do it and you actually have to be really study it oh yeah be dedicated because like you said it's not just so easy

as like throwing a TikTok I mean some people some of those girls that are just pretty that just like look at the camera I'm like wow they get millions of views I'm like wow

but you know what it's about longevity you know what you're the queen of longevity I think that's true you've seen everyone coming up to turn into a business.

You know. Yeah, yeah. Could you see yourselves ever getting off social media? I don't know. I feel like. I don't know. Is that possible nowadays? I don't know.

Would you disappear? You meant love your life. I would not know. I think for us. There's so many dreams and things. We're going to be here for a long time. I could see myself 10 years from now where I'm not getting into drag as often because it's hard on your body. And the way I want to give, I'm like, no, I need to be coarse.

I need to be cinch. But I could see I'll always be a creative person. So I have the fantasy of I'm like, okay, we're doing our doll line. I'm like, I'll just be doing the Zoom calls. And I'll be like, okay, so this is what we're going to do for fall. Would you do dolls? Because I love the marketing. Yes.

You have to find the right, perfect dolls. Whoever made these dolls because this is like what we're gonna do for fall would you do dolls because I love the marketing yes you have to find like the right perfect dolls like whoever made these dolls because this is how he found them they call me obsessed amazing shout out

yeah it's so good like you need to do the sugar and spice stuff like that I think for us the doll and our like followers know this

the doll line has always been like what we're moving toward it's always it's always gonna be that but it's like and that's why

it's interesting when even when we're on drag race and the haters are big, they're airheads. They can't form a sentence. Oh, they're not smart. But they don't realize

we're sitting down at the reunion. We're so perfectly branded, holding our dolls the whole time. They don't know that like, hello, years from now, when people only know us from our doll line, they're going to look back.

They were so, oh my God, they were holding their dolls back then. Because our thing is, that's why we do drag. I feel like I can be my doll. No, we always say, like for me, you're the brand

that you're building. For me, Spice, she's my favorite doll that I had growing up that I get to dress up and like, so like whenever I get, after a long night

of like being out and about and stuff, I'll go home at night and then I'll think about my favorite doll, Spice, even though she's me, but she's not, like she's my character.

But I think that's why we're excited to do the dolls eventually because it kind of reminds me before's why we're excited to do the dolls eventually because it kind of reminds me before of why we wanted to do drag because before we did drag

we'd look at other drag queens and we're like wait but what we have all these inspirations no one's going to do it like us we would do it we would do it with dolls I'm very specific

that's why I always kind of resell my dolls or I'll tweak them or kind of repaint them because they're never like there's always something I can tweak so that's how I know

that we're meant to make dolls. So it's like, in my mind, they're like my favorite dolls. You're the creator. Would you guys sell them as a duo or separately? We're going to do multiple dolls. We're going to do the collector, the play line. Would you have like the multiverse of the sugar and spice? Would it be like

evening gown sugar and spice? Well, that's the thing because I feel like the... I think our main bread and butter is going to be our e-commerce because you don't have to make any shortcuts there. Right. What's e-commerce?

I'm so bad at this stuff. E-commerce is just online. So, like, you want to be able to buy them in the store. Because if it was Playline, you have to go through so much corporate... You have to go through

the big way. Really? I want my dolls a certain way. I don't want to get them... I don't want them to be, like, have to be wholesome and give, like, look... Do you know what I mean?

That's the thing with the dolls. Wow, this is not getting wholesome. Well, no, no. it's sold in stores right no no yeah for example this rainbow high doll she's kind of the answer this is kind of

the rebrand of them making them more wholesome because kids weren't buying them when like they didn't care that it was a Chanel reference they were like

oh they just want them in the little like teddy not in like not in the cutting corner and like I want them to look like whore it's in the sense of like, I want them to be controlled.

Yeah, for sure. Because they're like, they just want to make money. They don't care about making kids happy. But doll collectors were very detail oriented. So they clothed, they're like, nope, that earring doesn't match. We're doing it for the doll. Oh, that's going to be so cute. So you think you'll like build that up and then you'll have like this whole empire of

dolls. Yeah, I think for, but also it's like I just love storytelling and like marketing. Like honestly, I should have went to school for marketing because I'm just like – You're so good at it. That's fine. I'm obsessed. Like I find it – You know.

But in today's world, everyone has to be their own marketer I guess. But not everyone is good at it like that. You have it naturally. Like people go to school to learn that stuff but you have it so naturally. I think you can go to school but I think it's like in you. I mean I feel like you're amazing at marketing yourself you're literally putting yourself online that's like that's what you're doing yeah marketing is such a huge part of it and you don't even know i didn't even know that's what it was people said they go to school for

marketing i didn't know it's like oh i just know that right well no you the because i feel like people they try to make everything so complicated yeah But it's like, no, the simple answer was be yourself. Simplify it, yeah. No, you're marketing yourself. That's bad. My ears are so... Hi, Zonia. Well, naturally, could you?

Your nails match your little... Was that on purpose? Your rhinestones on your teeth perfectly. Oh, no. No, I didn't have them, but yeah, there it is. Oh, my God. I should have worn my nails. Your nails look so good.

Okay, so what was your hardest performance? When we did the talent show on Drag Race and I had the little bed, basically I ran over and that was my first time fully zhuzhing everything back to Mars. Right. Because I was kind of known for having a meaty tuck. But that was also my marketing brand. Wait, what?

I did not know this. I didn't know this was a thing. It was just giving mohang a fruit. It's my worst kept secret. Basically, our fans, well, no, we were going viral because I didn't know how to properly put it back. so it just kind of looks like thick downstairs which is low but do you need to talk to be a drag queen no but no if you want to give a feminine right oh so they're being kind of like judgy they're being judgy but

then i was like you know i'll keep it because they're commenting oh look at her meaty tuck whatever so it's not a bad thing honestly right so for me, I was on the show and I was like, oh my God, the girls are gonna clock my tuck not being good. I need to really zhuzh. I was watching the tutorials training the tuck.

The word zhuzh. So basically, I run over, six inch heels, I run over to the bed to throw myself down to sit and cross my legs and it was the worst pain

I've ever been in. Why? Because it was, what is it? The tape that's underneath there? Well, it was the worst pain I've ever been in what because it was what is it the tape that's underneath there well it was like taped everything's like back to Mars

and then I threw myself in six inch heels and it crossed my legs eight inch oh my god eight inches that's a big difference and

but then I was like well I gotta smile through it oh my what did it feel like the pain um how oh my why did

yeah I say let it go. Don't tuck. I can't be healthy. If you're wearing a dress, you don't have to. Yeah, I guess if you're wearing the body suits. I never even thought about that when I watched Drag Race. I never thought about the tucking situation.

Wow, that's some serious effort. Oh my God. I don't want to put all the effort into it. No, I don't either. Me sitting here being like, well, secretly, once the cameras are down, I'm like, back to being a man. I'm like trying to keep the posture. No, I don't know. You know? Me sitting here being like, well, like, secretly, I'm like, once, like, the cameras are down,

I'm like, back to being a man. I'm like, trying to keep the posture. No, but that, even us, even, not even to go back, but even us on Drag Race

and stuff, we love it because we're so aware of the cameras. We'd be sitting, and certain girls, they would, like, turn and, like,

talk. I'm like, my light's over here. We'd sit in that time, and I'd be like, where's the light? I would sit, and I'd be posing,

and they'd be talking, and I'd just be like, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, you said before we started that you weren't gonna be, I've and I'd just be like oh yeah you said before we started that you weren't gonna be I've been profiled this whole time

but you said before you started you were gonna be only straight I like to cheat and just kind of look that's her gig I'm like with you

I can be a human yeah yeah but I think that's our character that's our character we like to when we're in drag we like to be like these untouchable dolls

that are just in their fantasy and they're just perfect and that's why people love you you are that perfect fantasy I love it I think that's the best part about you guys a delusional fantasy no it's why people love you. You are that perfect fantasy. I love it. I think that's the best part about you guys.

A delusional fantasy. No. Well, no, you have to be. To everyone else, it's delusional. But to you, you're right on track. No, I think delusion is what everyone needs. I feel like that's where it's at. You know what I mean?

Because if you're not delusional, then you're not dreaming big enough. You know what I mean? Yeah, you have to be delusional. Because otherwise, how is your virtual reality going to end up becoming your physical? Because if you think about it if you have dreams and stuff

other people they're just looking at what is they don't know they're like girl you're delusional that's not real but you know

where you're going to go they're scared even sitting with girls now I'm just like oh my god it's like talk show vibes it feels like

a little kid where we pretend we're going to play dress up and we're going to interview and no one's going to see it

but people will see it they love it also it's crazy because I think the last time we saw you was back in July-ish. Yeah. And I think you, I don't think the show had come out yet. Colleen Drama just hit. No. Or like you were like, you were just restarting it or something.

Did you go to the podcast with her? I was doing the podcast. Like before the whole mess happened, right? Or was it this set? We were doing it. We had like three episodes. It was the set. It was over there.

We still have the chairs. It was over there. Oh my God. And we had done three episodes. And I was just not over there we still have the chairs it was over there and we had done three episodes and I was just not finding my footing like I just didn't know and like again thank you guys

like that January collab we did and then the July I mean those were the only collabs I did in 2023 and no one really cared about me so I was just like you know and yeah it was like it was right at the beginning

I think I was telling you like maybe I'll start a solo podcast because all that drama was happening I think the universe was working out for you because if you think you were trying to do a podcast with a show and the universe was like,

no, no, no, baby, you need to do this on your own. This is going to be even more successful. Oh, definitely. Which is like super cool. I talked about that too. It's just like being on YouTube for so long and being always in like groups to be popular. And now it's just like me on my own and it feels so like nice and good. And I'm lucky I have people like you that come on and like I always will attribute like this like comeback

to Sugar Over Here. I already know it's going to be a year from now, two years, however long it is, and you're going to be in a studio. Oh, come back to my TV show. No, the goal is to have it in the house. No, I just, unless you want that. I want a TV show. You're the Wendy Williams.

Oh, totally. Even though it's probably a step back, it's almost like taking a pay cut, but being on TV is just bougier. I don't know, having a production and a crew. I love the niceness. Yeah, I love the niceness. It's bringing it out, and I appreciate that, because it's bringing me nice energy, you know what I mean? I just like bougier. I don't know, having like a production and a crew. I love the niceness. Yeah, I love the niceness. It's bringing it out and I appreciate that

because it's bringing me nice energy, you know what I mean? I was like, no. I thought we were gonna like read people. You're like, no, we love everybody

and I love it. Well, that's the Luka redemption being the nicest to you. I love that. Well, no, she was just great. So you guys both sound

like you like had a minute like that was a referee last year. Like what do you guys do for your own mental health like reset? I mean, yeah yeah we were talking about it but i love walking and listening to music and i kind of get into a fantasy world but also for me just being creative like if i'm not like the other day i was styling this wig and i felt like at ease i'm like okay like i'm doing my art or like if i'm sketching or i just like being creative in some way yeah so i'll do design

wow that's amazing oh my god that is so yeah that takes up so much time and stuff yeah so it really just like being creative in some way. Did you style this wig? Yeah, I styled it, designed the outfit. You styled yours too? Yes. Wow, that's amazing. Oh my God, so yeah, that takes up so much time and stuff. So it really is just that you don't do like therapy

or anything like that. I need a therapist. Oh my God, I did this. I did this. Do you have one? Do you have a recommendation? I do have a straight therapist.

He's from West Hollywood. He's really great. Okay, good. My people will call your people. Yes, they're amazing. He's amazing. No,

it's funny. I did an interview show with this drag queen, Maddie Morphosis, recently. And he's a straight drag queen. He's a straight male that does drag. No, you were so funny. When you came back, you were like, the biggest gag is that he's actually straight. I thought it was a bit. Because after talking to him, I remember I left and like, Maddie, if you're watching, I love you.

But honestly, I left and I was like, where's the nearest gay person? And a joint. Well, you know what? I think maybe it's a mind. Normally you see a wig and you think someone's going to be like, well, yes, God, mama. Hey. Like, you think they're going to be like, no. I don't know.

Because like at the end, he was like, girl, you need a therapist. Like laughing. And then like I laughed. But then I was like, I felt like he probably thought I was really weird. Because I'm just like talking about, like he just, he didn't get me. You know what I mean? In the interview, you felt that? Or just like in your head, you thought that?

In my head. It wasn't the energy he was giving. No, it wasn't. He was just himself. He was just a perfectly great straight man. He was amazing and so sweet. You thought there was a catch there. Like you thought maybe deep down, it's like, oh, you're a sex. But I was amazing and so sweet. You thought there was a catch there. Like you thought maybe deep down it's like,

Oh, you're a sis. But I was sitting next to him and I was like, Oh wow, I am so different. But I love that. I think it calls for a really interesting combo. But for me getting a therapist,

I'm like, that would be sickening. But honestly, I was like, um, like this past, like, uh,

six months, I was like, what would Trisha do? Because this was, I remember like over the summer, that was the first time I was like, what would Trisha do? Because this was, I remember over the summer, that was the first time I was struggling with eating. I didn't feel safe in my body, so I was

putting, the only good thing for a day was, oh, what am I eating? So that was like, I started binge eating, and then it just gets really dark, because then it's like, you already feel bad, and then a temporary thing of, okay, well, let me like gorge in on all this food. And that was my issue. I was walking everywhere because I was running away from my life.

So going these walks, it was like fun in the beginning. But the walks are good. You need the walks. Because then if I get eating myself to feel sick, then the next day it's like, oh, I don't feel comfortable like going camera because I feel like bloated and gross. And then it's like a whole thing. Especially when you're known as a certain way. It's like you're falling behind these things. And then the pressure of having to feel so perfect from these Drag Race fans because.

With us for some reason, I wonder if you get it, people love to say, they love to go, oh they're untalented because we don't do a death drop. But really we're just different. We're just different artists. We're just different artists. Oh yeah, for sure. But also I think when people see someone

that they think is beautiful, they're looking at me as my outer. And now I'm getting the same thing how they would judge a beautiful woman. Oh, you see a beautiful woman. Oh, the first thing they're going to say to make themselves feel better. Oh, she's not talented. Oh, she's dumb. Yeah, dumb.

Yeah. So that's like the things we get put onto us, but they don't realize, baby, actually I'm so talented that you are even thinking that, because I'm actually a man. This is a disguise. Yeah. So that would happen. People love to watch them talented. The fact that you even have to sit here and be like, it's so great.

It's like, we're perfect. The fact that we just exist. No, no, no. Wait, wait. Let me just say, that's literally everyone coming into this world. I have a point. The point was is that basically, so then you're known for being like this perfect feminine illusion stuff.

So then it's like, if you have a bad day where you eat bad or you feel bloated you're like oh my god they don't think i'm talented well that's my thing i actually like i love to be behind the camera i feel like i'm more affected that way because doing drag on myself it's like it's your canvas it's your art right so like sometimes it's hard for me. I can't even appreciate the makeup look I did or the wig I styled because you're picking yourself apart. You're like, oh, I don't look good here. I think that's the thing with you guys.

You think you're just too much perfectionist. Like you're too hard on yourself. You know what I mean? Like you're binging. And I know you're totally like valid to feel that way for sure, you know? But like you said, you're like, okay, is this going to ruin like our six pack that everyone knows us for? Right, right. And stuff like that. said you're like okay is this gonna ruin like our six pack that everyone knows is for this and stuff like that

so you're like that's my thing even with drag cause it's so weird it's like you have insecurities as a boy and then as a girl you get that

for me I don't even I'll never show my stomach in drag again because I would always get the comments of oh that's a man with the six pack and for me

the art form I was like can girls I thought girls kind of have six pack yeah I thought girls kind of have six packs. Yeah, I feel like girls definitely have six packs. No, I know, but for me, like, I don't know. You're just going a different route. You want a really good illusion.

I really appreciate the art of, like, feminine. I'm saying this as a Monster High character, but I really appreciate the art of feminine illusion. I think it's, like, a skill. Like, I just, that's why I love drag. I love transformation. That's why I love you right now because normally you're Chicken Fingers

and Lipo Trish. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now it's like, ooh, she's this glam fantasy. But even Chicken Fingers and Lipo Trish to me is like glam fantasy. Whenever I get hair and makeup, I'm very much like a different person.

People say that. They're like, her in glam versus me out of glam is a very different person completely. Because that's why I start feeling like a totally, I don't know, I feel totally different. Do you act different? Like when the lip gloss is on, you're like, oh, you've seen it. Oh, yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm feeling like a totally, I don't know, I feel totally different. Do you act different? Like when the lip gloss is on, you're like, oh, you've seen it. Oh, yeah.

I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah. So I'm very that. But like out of it, I'm very much like insecure and all stuff like that. But the talent is just captivating an audience. Like, I mean, you have talent, of course. But yeah, I hate when people say that. Like they compare. And people who are talented, like people do the drop the backdrops. That's amazing.

But I think it's even more of a talent. Like for me, I always think too, I'm always like, I think the talent is just existing and like people caring. You're asking us. I agree. Because we're just souls and physical bodies. The bodies we inhabit right now, they are not us. These are placeholders for us to experience the vibrational world we live in.

Yeah, I love that. So it's like, who cares what our bodies do? It's literally our souls, our thoughts, our mind, our imagination. But I think that's what people don't realize. Like, even for us, girl, we didn't win that show. We didn't win anything. But ultimately, we actually won because people connected with us. So I think that's, anyone going on a competition show, it's like, you have to realize that

the competition isn't the real competition. You just want to connect to people. People that want titles and all this stuff, it can get really dark because now you get that title, but now your worth is only on a title. Do you know what I mean? And you're associated so strongly with that, which is not a bad thing for some people, but I think it's

better to be your own entity, which is what you did. You went on this platform where people found you, and I think it's a beautiful thing. But I just like social media so much better because you get to produce yourself, and you're in control of yourself. That's true. The edits and all that stuff like that. I do agree with you.

I'm like a TV person in the core, but I agree. Social media can be your wealth. You make more money. Everything's just better. Everything. And it's like, even I think on the new season,

a girl was saying, they were like, oh, are the TikTok queens going to be here? And then the one girl was like, oh, well, can they perform? And then the other girl was like, oh, well, can they perform? And then the other girl was like, oh, well, they're the ones making the money. And then she rolled her eyes.

And I'm like, you know what? These drag queens, I'm like, whatever. So you're watching the new season? Well, no, I saw the clip. Oh, it's okay. And like, honestly, it kind of like hurt my feelings because I actually knew that girl and I thought we were friends. It was like the one girl I knew. But ultimately, we had like a drunken make out

like years ago. Oh my god. It was like a funny New Year's thing. But also, that's the thing, that's why I don't like to be shady to people online because you hear it and you're like, oh I thought we were friends. I know what you're saying. Even like Lucy DeLuca saying the thing about me being like this as a transphobic person

I was like, oh my god, it still sits with me. That's why it's in my head still. It's like, girl, you don't know my story. Like you said, it makes me feel bad and then I was like, oh my God, it still sits with me. That's why I'm like, it's in my head still. It's like, girl, you don't know my story. But then it makes me, like you said, it makes me feel bad. And then like, oh my God, maybe I made her feel bad. And it's all light shade, whatever. It's all fun and games. But ultimately, I'm like, it never really bothers me.

I saw that and I laughed it off because I was like, it's always just projection. So it's like someone that performs for a club, they're always, like they're gonna, maybe they feel insecure. You prioritize what you do. What you do. So you see someone else

doing something different, but maybe like someone that performs in a club, a lot of drag queens, they do it just for the money. They really, like a lot of queens I know, they're like,

oh my God, you remind me that. It's just about having fun. So a lot of people that do it just for money, we're gonna trigger them because we're online making money and they don't realize

if you actually do online, there's much more money to be had so that's why they're going to say these things well do they perform and it's like

can you make a viral video can you get a check can you get the feminine illusion can you get a challenge viral video because that is very difficult for people to do

it's like let's flip the switch girl let's see because it's like I'm not a performer but like but you are you are performers I'm not a dancer I'm like, people need to realize. You are performers.

No, I'm not a dancer. I'm a performer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I love to entertain and be crazy, but I'm not one. And drag performance is so different. When I see the lip syncs for your life, I mean, that's such a different performer than like a Broadway performer or anything, you know what I mean? So drag is like this whole other world, like those, the club queens anyways.

Right. Well, yeah, I think that's honestly a club queen. I think that's just the way the universe is going. Because you think about singers. It's like there's so many singers in the world. There's so many ways to be a singer. You can walk past any coffee shop. You know what I mean? You can be a singer locally.

They're this superstar of the world. And I think that's what it is with drag. I think a lot of people, it's like they see someone doing drag. Oh, you're going to go on Drag Race and follow the formula that all these other drag queens did. And it's like, wait, hold on. Not everyone's a superstar. Sometimes it's just for fun. But everyone wants to kind of,

I guess they want to follow the rules because as humans it makes sense. But it's like, no, I started drag to break the rules. What? Now I'm in drag and I'm going to follow the rules

of every other drag queen? Oh, don't try. You know what I mean? It's like, but that's what I like to do. But that's why you inspire me. You've always broke the mold.

And I feel like that's how we should all be. I agree. We should be breaking every mold. Totally. I would to do. But that's why you inspire me. You've always broke the mold. And I feel like that's how we should all be. I agree. We should be breaking every mold. Totally. I would never do another competition show where I'm judged again because it's like, who are you to judge me? I get it.

They're experts in their field or whatever. Actually, let's get into your gig. Yeah, yeah. It makes perfect sense because you're content and happy with yourself. Yeah. But you don't need the validation from someone else to tell you you're amazing and beautiful and have a great family because you validate yourself. You know.

A hundred percent. A thousand percent. Well, think about a lot of these judges. It's like on these shows, whatever show it is. Basically, especially if they're like playing the mean judge role, they're going to bed at night, basically tearing people down, whether it's a role or a job or whatever. But basically, those people don't know it and they're just hearing the negative things you're saying.

For me, I want to go to bed at night knowing that I'm uplifting other people and speaking as I'm like you know what no you're not at all you've been so nice this whole thing you know what I will say I'm proud of you for cause there was the whole thing with Michelle Visage and the trotting and all that I'm proud of you for not like biting back and doing

a clap after her cause that would have been so easy cause you know everyone was kind of really getting on her for coming for you and being like, oh, don't do the trot. Well, she's living her karma, so it's fine.

Totally, yeah. Well, think about it. You're in a role today. Well, think about it. Oh, my God. This might be TMI, but it's like, I'm sorry.

I put it into perspective. If I was on a show tearing down, basically, these young gays for no reason, having a vendetta against them already, I wouldn't be able to sleep with myself. I agree. But basically, you forget these people that are on these shows that are judges, they're

trying to be a star too. I like when judges can just be nice. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know. There's a way to give constructive criticism. Because trying is not constructive criticism. That's just a taste. I don't like who you are.

Right. Well, the thing with her is that the girl don't even give her the airtime but that's so original about you and so to take away someone's originality where it's like yeah maybe that's not her taste but to like tell someone like don't do that

right and also but that's why it never affected me that's why she was saying don't trot and I was like well I'll trot right back no and people love it now they do that that's your thing because it's like I'm sorry but people don't trot. And I was like, well, I'll trot right back. No, and people love it. Now they do that. That's your thing. Because it's like, I'm sorry, but people don't understand psychology, I guess, reverse psychology.

When you tell the kid, don't do that, don't eat that, they're going to want to do it even more. So, I mean, even though I'm not a little kid, it's like, well, sweetie, I'm not going to conform to what you think I should be, even if this is a show. Yeah. Like, I don't care. And then you become bigger for it. Okay, so final, what is, like is words of advice you'd give to either babe... Okay, here's one. What advice would you give to you as a 16

year old? Gay boy in Long Island. Closeted drag queen dolls. Okay. I would say to dream bigger. Get rid of all the limiting beliefs. Tell yourself a new story. All the stuff you heard from other people that tell you, oh, you're not good at this. You shouldn't do this. You're not allowed to do that that's not real that's literally not true that's people

projecting their ideas of how you should be onto you so get rid of all the noise and start finding who you are start thinking about what i like little things like do i like brownies do i like little because that's how you're gonna find your your joy. And honestly, I would just tell myself specifically to just dream even bigger. Believe in yourself even more. Because it's like, I wouldn't have, I didn't think it was, like, I loved music and I wanted to be a pop star and all this stuff. But I was like, oh, boys can't be pop stars. Like, that's not a thing.

Then I didn't even know about drag. But I was like, oh, that's not even a thing. I can't do it. I wasn't even out of the closet. So basically, just think the unthinkable because it's really not as unthinkable as you think. Anything can happen. That's a good one. I love that one.

That was so good. I don't know if that makes sense. No, it made it real. That was beautiful. She truly is Miss America. Dream bigger. Yeah, literally. No, even with me, with my manifestations, I'll think about something and I go, no, even bigger.

Why am I having, why not? I agree with you a thousand percent. Dream so big. Be the delusional as we talked earlier. What's advice for little coopers out there the little coopers the little sugars the little sugars no I think my advice would be don't be afraid to shine and I know that sounds a little corny mccornster but honestly I think even just being a twin we both had this thing of we were always the accessory pieces. We were the background characters. Uh,

so don't be afraid to step to the forefront. I was, I, we did photography together. That's so true. Yeah. We were like, I liked to glam everyone else up.

Like in high school, we took photos of all the girls and we did like their glam things. And I saw the star in everyone else, but I didn't see it in me. And it's like, no, like you, like you were saying, I saw the star in everyone else, but I didn't see it in me. And it's like, no. Like you were saying, you are allowed to be your favorite person.

So what's stopping you? What's holding you back? I love that one too. That one's so good. Don't dull your sparkle. Don't dull your sparkle. You're meant to shine. She leaves a little sparkle wherever she goes.

Is that a line? Is that a quote from something? It's a target back. Oh, okay. I was going to get that back for you. It's cute. The last thing we'll do, do you remember the movie Life Size? Yeah, is that a line? Is that a quote from something? It's a Target bag. Oh, okay. I was going to get that bag for you. It's cute. The last thing we'll do, do you remember the movie Life Size? Yeah, hello.

That's what you do. Okay, when they do shine, shine, shine, shine. Don't be shy, be a star. Where you live, where you are, be a star. I love your singing voice. Oh, my God. Thank you. Oh, should we do a shoe cam?

Wendy Williams shoe cam. This really is Wendy Williams. Look at Moses knowing the shoe cam. All right, let's do it. Are we all in it or should we go one by one? Okay, shoe cam, everyone. Okay, we got a shoe cam? Wendy Williams shoe cam! This really is Wendy Williams! Look at Moses knowing the shoe cam. All right, let's do it. Are we all in it or should we go one by one? Okay, shoe cam everyone. Okay, we got a little break. I feel like this is gonna be me in two minutes.

That's gonna be me in two minutes. I'm taking the, like, wearing crocs. Like, wait, these are platform crocs. Oh, these are sickening. These are little wedges, because Laguna has a little wedge. So I'm in the wedge moment. Are these custom? These are so good.

No, they're like, demonia. They're like, I think they're a popular brand. What's yours? Are yours a blazer? Well, Eddie made these for me. No way. Eddie did your outfit. He made the shoes. Oh, my gosh. It's so nice.

I love this. And these are Eddie's. These are my normal everyday 10-inch shoes that I go jogging in. Oh, my God. Yeah, we got to do one walking because you guys look so good walking. Oh, no, that's our height difference. That's the one video we have to do. Just the walking.

Walking. We're done. All right, you guys. Check out Sugar and Spice on TikTok. Their doll line coming very soon. Be yourself. Shuck right. Ten years from now.

Drink bigger. We love you. We'll see you on the next one. Bye.