Just Trish - Ted Nivison Teaches Trisha Paytas About Space, Gooning, Science & MORE!

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Our favorite straight guy, TedNivison, is here to teach us his ways. On this EXTRA SPECIAL episode of 'JUST TRISH', Ted teaches Trisha Paytas all about his favorite subjects: Space, science, history, and gooning. Plus, the 'Chuckle Sandwich' host opens up about life before his meteoric rise to social media fame, as well as learns some valuable information about the LGBTQIA+ community.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, hey guys, welcome back to Just Trish. We have a very special guest and probably our most sought after for months and months and months. And we finally made it happen. The one and only Ted Nifferson. Hello. Hello, everyone. Did we say it right? You did actually.

That's your camera. You did. Over the years, I've been surprised. I used to think it was like easy to pronounce. And I've learned as I've grown as a content creator that apparently a lot of people have trouble with it or just don't know where to go with it. It sounds fake. Yeah. No, I've gotten that too.

People think that it's like a play on the word television. Yes. Which you hate. I saw that on a podcast. Someone said that. And you're like, absolutely not. It's not that at all. Yeah, no.

I was like, it's my name. It's my God-given name. I love it. I looked it up. But you could have gone by like Ted Kennedy, which would have been's my God-given name. I love it. I looked it up. And I'm like, but you could have gone by like Ted Kennedy, which would have been cool because you sound like a Kennedy. So that's crazy. That's your name, right?

Well, my middle name is Kennedy. Right. Oh, OK. No, that's how I knew. I was like, you could have done that. I thought you were saying that and you were like, it's like the guy. No, because I looked up your name for the gate. And I was like, wait, his last name is Niffison.

But then I saw Kennedy in there. And I was like, oh, you could have sounded like a Kennedy, like Theodore Kennedy. Yeah, it's a real presidential full name going on there, except for the Nivison part. That's the one that confuses. That throws it off. Yeah, throws the whole thing. What is it?

What is it? Like the last name? Yeah. It's Scottish, I think. Okay, you don't know. No 23andMe. Well, it's Scottish. It means saintly bone.

Saintly bone. Saintly bone. Saintly bone. Which these days now could be perceived in a different way, but I don't know. You could be like. Like what? Big bones? I'm about to have a saintly bone. Wait, what? Is that a thing?

Like boning? To get bone. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Get in the bone zone. In the saintly bone zone we have such straight men

energy right now it's crazy we've never really had like a straight straight man here it's so weird it's bizarre no you know

it's one of those things where you know there have been moments where I've been like could I and I'm like nah have you tried

have I tried no I haven't no well you never know until you try I've been flirted with before but yeah no it's

it's just you know I feel like straight guys like you but girlies also like you gays obviously like you um you really just appeal to the masses which I'm so glad I'm so glad I'm I'm I'm for the I'm for the gays and the girlies and they is yeah well I think it's your height I think when you're so humongous like we were just like taking pictures with you we're just like laughing because like oh my god this is so crazy. Yeah. No, it's weird too because it's like, you know, you go through your whole life just being like, I'm my size.

This is normal. And then like I'll see a photo of me next to someone and I'm like, I'm a fucking humongous person. You might be their tallest. How tall are you? I'm 6'4". Do you hate the question when people ask you that? No.

Because people always are like, I hate being like, how tall are you and stuff like that. Oh, no. I mean, it's like, it's one of those things for, you know, it's, I've gotten used to it over the years. I've been 6'4 for a while. So yeah. Really? What age did you tap out at? I don't know. Honestly, sometime in high school. So I was like walking around in high school being straight up 6'4", which is weird. But yeah. Were you like gangly? Or were you like filled? Oh, I was so lanky. Yeah, no, I was a lanky motherfucker. Like the only thing that's changed since I reached my full height

is like I've grown like wider. Like my neck is like maybe twice as – No, no, seriously. I could show you like photos of me when I was like younger, and it's just I've just got a really skinny neck. Oh. Yeah.

Well, that just feels – I feel with age. I mean you're not like old but I feel like with age you just fill out orange. Oh, yeah. And then – Jaw. And you know, all the weight even when I got so tall so fast. I'm so lucky. Yeah.

You can eat whatever. I used to. I used to. Now I actually have to think about it as of like maybe 2021 which sucks because i love dude i fucking love food well this is why i got excited so we should talk about how you got here first because i got excited i did a deep dive in you in this past week because oscar talks about you all the time frequently frequently yeah frequently to everybody we had a guest yesterday and he brings you i was like okay we love really yeah wait so how often do i come up every every podcast you're deep in the lore

yeah really yeah when you first started doing guests, Trisha asked who my dream guest was and I was like, Ted. Right. And I've seen that clip. You saw it, so you know. Well, so the way that I initially found out about this was it was like I had gotten a message in a group chat from my college acapella group. Love that.

I found clips of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have so many questions about that, but yeah.lla group. Love that. I found clips of that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I have so many questions about that, but yeah, we'll go to that. And basically, they sent me that clip and they were like, it was my friend Jamila who sent that and it was like, Ted, you need to do this.

Shout out, Jamila. Jamila. Oh, my gosh. Shout out, Jamila. I actually, I texted the group before I drove over here, and I was like, Jamila, do you want me to get a video of Trisha saying hi to you? Oh, my God. Yes.

Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, she's probably watching it right now. So what up, Jam? We'll sing a little acapella. Can we sing acapella later on for her? We'll do a little, like, tribute to your acapella. We can try. We can try.

I don't know how well that's going to work out. I ask every guest to sing, and I'm, Ted, of all people, will do it. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, yeah, maybe. It's just one of those things where I was busy at the time and I was like, I wasn't sure. And then later on, another friend of mine who's a Twitch streamer, Peach Jars, they also messaged me and they were like, Ted were like ted trisha talks about you on like every

single podcast and i was like what is happening right now it just wasn't like a like because i've been i've been aware of you you know for all the all these years and stuff but i was i was like it was just a weird like kind of like mixing of worlds you know doesn't make sense at all like even seeing you stay here i'm just just like, this is so bizarre. We're so different on the internet, just like different worlds completely. Oh yeah, no, from the same side for me where it's like, I've seen you online,

but then it's always weird when you make that connection and you see the person in the flesh. Yeah, that's how I felt seeing you walk in today because I was like, I'm really newly familiar because of Oscar. And so I was like, but we're kind of getting into your world now. We have Pokimane coming on Sunday.

So I feel like we're like tapping into this new cool like gamer world. Yeah, Pokimane's awesome. Yeah. So we're excited about it. But Oscar, yeah. So your friend though, your mutual friend. Oh, yeah. I'm surprised. Now I'm like really sus because David Alvarez, I know that he knows you. So I DM'd him and I was like, David, what can you do? Like I'll literally promote you every episode of Hot Topics. I never told you that. But I was like, I'll bring you up all the time. Maybe just tell Ted to come on. I don't know if I spoke to David at all.

Well, I've been shouting him out thinking that he was the reason. The reason to make the connection when we still love him. Shout out David Alvarez. No, I love David Alvarez,

but yeah, no, I don't, I don't know if we ever spoke. Maybe we did. And then I was like, oh, he's like Ted.

Yeah. I'm so close with Ted. That's my birthday twin. Well, that's true. We do have the same birthday he's my homie he was really like

making a scene he was selling it he sold me a dream well we got him out here anyways he's been busy though I mean he's been doing all those shows

he does the Jubilee Jubilee stuff yeah kind of stuff and it's doing well but you know

he seems like he's he's a busy boy so maybe he didn't have time to reach out. Wait, so how did it work then? So your friend said you have to do this, but did you see Oscar's DMs? Because he said he just randomly DMed him.

I'm like how did this even happen? How did this work? Sometimes I look at the top request things because I always get afraid that somebody's reached out about something and then it's been several weeks and then I've missed it. So sometimes I'll get a pang of anxiety and I'll be like look at the top request. And I saw thatang of anxiety and I'll be like, look at the top request.

And I saw that there and I was like, ah, there it is. Top request. Wow. That's cool. Well, yeah, you're like verified,

aren't you? I am. Yeah. I didn't know. That's everything. No, I didn't know. You guys didn't celebrate when you got verified on Instagram?

No, I think kind of randomly actually. Recently or a while ago? Last year. Okay. Yeah. But I don't really post that much on Instagram, so I don't really care that much. But I'm glad it at least got me you, so that helps.

Yeah. Wait, how did it happen? Was he DMing you like a bunch, like in a row? Or like, I'm so curious. Like, you're just like, he said, just come on my podcast? Hundreds of messages. Yes. Yeah.

No, he was like, please. Please. For the love. No. No, it was one. And it was like, it was like something like, Ted, we got to get you on the podcast. It was pretty short and sweet. It was, yeah.

Because I also just didn't think you would see it. So I'm like, I'm just going to have fun and like be silly. This was like after Trisha got a DM from The Weeknd. And after that, I was like, I'm going to follow my dreams. And like anything can happen. You got a DM from The Weeknd? Yeah, he was my dream guest. I was like, well, let's manifest our dream guest.

So I said The Weeknd and then he DM'd me in the next like couple days. And I was like, wow, that worked so quickly. Did you have him said the weekend and then he DM'd me in the next like couple days. And I was like, wow, that works so quickly. Did you have him on? No, he doesn't do podcasts, but we're getting there. So why did he DM? He just like, thank you for the support. Like, and it was him because then his team was like, do you want to promote Fortnite for the weekend?

And I was like, yeah, sure. And they sent me clothes from his like music video shoot and stuff. Oh, okay. I don't know. It like gave us hope. And so then his like dream guest was you. So I didn't know. I didn't know how it worked.

I was like, how did this happen? But then you didn't see them until like six months later or something was it six months oh no it was kind of recent well maybe i unsent it because i did see in our dms that it was like there was only one but i had dm'd you before i did it i would randomly reply to your stories though and be like come on just trish i did that with hassan now too i'm like now ted has given me the confidence to just like keep it moving he's our straight guy ambassador and he's straight man

I'm always like oh I don't know I get a little weirded out by him but you know what's funny we usually hate straight men like there's not many that we talk nicely about

so you're one of the but why why Ted well I know why I like you now as soon as I started when I saw you do musical theater

in like high school I was like absolutely you can come on he doesn't like musical theater and I'm like how do you not like musical theater you're gay

but it's like you know what I mean and I was like wait okay this straight guy who we like usually hate straight men is like loves musical theater so the first video of yours i saw was the rainforest cafe one it's a classic and then it really is like synonymous with like your brand now i think yeah and then it kind of just went from there and you have like a baby girl vibe to you i think baby girl vibe yeah very jacob lordy girl vibe. Very Jacob Elordi. Yeah. Very Jacob Elordi. You're going to have to explain more what this means.

Baby girl? You're baby girl coded for sure. Yeah, for sure. That's why you're here. This sounds like a great compliment, but I still have no fucking idea what that means. You don't have them today, but I know you love bracelets and necklaces. Well, this is a new development. This is a new development going on here as of like January where I decided to just like revamp my whole closet. Like I – to be honest, I was probably more straight-coated like pre-2024 because I was – I still had a closet full of like shirts that I had been wearing since I was in high school.

Oh, no. And so I don't know. I recently just started – I call it my fashion era. Yeah. Is what it is. My co-hosts on my podcast don't seem to agree with it as much. They usually give me shit for it. But I feel good.

You look good. And like we love the co-hosts of your podcast, but also like they're not like fashionistas. You know what I mean? They wear your t-shirt all the time. You know, you're having flannel today. You're giving loafers. You're giving accessories. I got the loafers. I got the co-hosts of your podcast, but also like they're not like fashionistas. You know what I mean? They wear your t-shirt all the time. You know, you're having flannel today. You're giving loafer. You're giving accessories. I got the loafers.

I got the accessories. Accessories, honestly, the accessory scenario kind of changed everything. I was like, oh, that's what was needed. You know? It levels up for sure. Yeah. I know you gave your co-host a bracelet and I was like, that's what he needs. You know, like you just need that extra something, that extra zhuzh.

Yeah, a little tucker. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was, I was, we were on a trip together like recently and he was, cause he had been part of the, the part of the podcast. They were like giving me shit about it all the time. And I was like, we were out for drinks and I was like, try this on. And I put it on for a second. And he was like, well, cause his wedding ring is also gold. So it was a gold bracelet. So he was like, Oh, Oh. And then I was like, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna take gold bracelet so he was like oh oh and then i was like and i was like okay i'm

gonna take a minute he was like wait wait wait hold on give me like a give me a couple give me let me wear for the rest of the night i'm like okay next day comes and he's like let me wear it for the rest of the trip and then i was like damn it at the end of the trip i had to like basically pry it off him but he was like he was like oh man but i i really want that so i eventually went and got more bracelets and then the next time i saw him when i went out there to see the eclipse with him, I gave it back to him. That's baby girl coded right there that you thought about that. The fact that you even knew to match the metals. Oh, that was just by chance. Yeah. No, because it was just a bracelet I was wearing. And then his wedding ring just happened to be a gold band. And you just got

into it in January because you said your birthday was January 6th, so you're Capricorn. Yes. Yeah, right before Elvis' birthday. Oh, 16. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're still at the end of Capricorn then, right? Yeah. And it's pretty close to Elvis' birthday, which is cool. So I feel like that is like the whole like revolutionary – that's where like the straight guys get cool.

You know what I mean? Like Elvis was straight, but he was like cool and artsy. You know what I mean? I think I'm tracking this, yeah. You know what I mean? And then I found out you did music – He was cool. Thank you. I know.

He kind of got a cancellation. He got canceled. He was like up and cool. He also died too, which He kind of got a cancellation. He got canceled. He was like up and cool. He also died too, which was kind of the biggest cancellation of all. That's true. And yeah, when people try to cancel dead people. Cancelation by the universe. Just they're gone, so there's nothing.

Yeah, it's like dying, you know? That is true. That is the ultimate cancellation. I guess when I die, there will be people that will be happy. They're like, finally, she's canceled. That'd be a crazy way to react to someone's death. You hear someone's suicide? Oh, he got canceled. It's like, oh no, he died. I kind of love that though. That'd be a crazy way to react to someone's death. You hear someone's suicide? Oh, he got canceled.

It's like, oh, no, he died. I kind of love that, though. That's like a softer blow, I feel. You're uncancelable, though. You're not problematic at all. I'd like to think that I'm not. But I wouldn't say I'm like, if there was something that I did that would deserve cancellation, I imagine that I would also be susceptible to the cancellation, you know?

So how do you avoid it? How do you stop saying things that are like offensive? How do I stop saying things? I guess I just don't, I don't know. I try not to. It's just not offensive. It just doesn't come up. Like what do you mean?

Like being racist or something? No, I mean just like because you're a comedian. And so how do you not like say jokes that are like, whoa, it's like too far? I just, you know, I've got so many great, you know, racial jokes locked in my brain, and I'm just like, oh, you know, I'm cursing at the leftist mind virus that just won't let me speak my mind, you know? Okay. And it's something I struggle with on the daily. I'm basically-

Holding it back. Yeah, my lip is quivering just waiting. You just want to say it's so bad. Oh, God, I want to be racist so bad, but I can't. And that's sort of my thesis on the whole thing. It's your cross to carry. Yeah. Oh, it's my cross to bury.

Yes, exactly. Just don't be racist. That's good advice, I feel. And you're kind of mysterious, though, too, because like. Oh, that's fun. I've never been called mysterious before. Because we are young. Matt, I love this part of your kind of mysterious, though, too, because like, you don't... Oh, that's fun. I've never been called mysterious before. Oh, you are. Because we are yappers. I love this part of your...

You're tall. Mysterious tall. Wow, this is great. Uncancellable baby girl. Mysterious, uncancellable baby girl that's tall. I think because we're just yappers, we literally talk for... Our episodes are three hours, and they're every, like, week, you know? And I feel like because you...

Oh, so we're locked in for three hours right now. get ready sometimes we do but we'll cut short no no don't worry but like i don't got anything else going on okay perfect because your podcast is like shorter and they're like your topics are just like ours are about like pop culture stuff so sometimes we have like hot takes or whatever but yours you know you kind of just talk about like funny things you're like silly guys and then your youtube channel you're silly that is a little bit by design i think that we we specifically kind of avoid um talking about topics that are like heavier and stuff like that like we don't i don't know it's one of those things where i don't think either schlatt and i are interested in like talking about like people who like got canceled

or talking about drama and stuff because it's just like, I don't know. I mean, it's okay to do that. Don't get me wrong. But I think just with the way that we go about it, it's like, I don't know. We just want to keep things light, you know? At least how I am personally, I just wouldn't want someone to get mad at me. I don't know.

Even if that person deserved to be shit on or whatever. I don't know. I just don't like the idea of someone getting mad at me. I'm deserved to be shit on or whatever. I don't know. I just don't like the idea of someone getting mad at me. I'm going to be like. It's a lot of anxiety, that's for sure. I'd be okay with Hitler was mad at me. He's also canceled. Yeah.

He was canceled. He's like triple canceled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no coming back. I guess that's good advice. But that's the thing. I try to be drama free for a couple years because it is a lot. Seems like you go through phases of the moon. I do. That's a really good analogy. Yeah, for sure. Because it's just like you have a talent, right? You don't need to

talk about drama. But when I was drama free, nobody cared. So I was like, let's talk about people again. You know what I mean? We talk about a little bit more pop culture these days of stuff that's going on. But also, i don't know if you've experienced this at all or or even you like like as you've done more of the podcast but i don't know as as it's become more of my job and it's like i feel like i'm less tapped like i don't have my ear to the ground as much of what the fuck's going on in the world you know or like what's going on the internet i feel like back when i wasn't a YouTuber, I like knew all, everything that was going on.

Really? And now I feel like I'm working so much that I'm like, what the fuck is going on in the world? You've got to make time. No, I didn't know anything that was happening in the world. And then when we started the podcast, I was like, I need to like literally schedule out two hours a day to TikTok. Otherwise, I have no idea what's happening.

But like I have to do more. So you go on TikTok. That's like you clocking in. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. We film Hot Topics every week and I'm like, I don't know what's happening. Let me just clock.

So every day I have to give at least like two hours to like, okay, let me see what's happening in the world. How do you find your, like, what do you search? How do you go about it? Whatever on the FYP, right? Do you scroll on TikTok? Are you like a scroller? On the FYP?

Yeah. Because if you see it come up enough, like the Try Guys, right? Never heard of them before, but they were like on every single like scroll I was on and I was like, okay, these guys, let's talk about them. You know what I mean? I do a little bit of scrolling every now and then. So you have to see the same thing, but you're probably on like science TikTok or something like, right?

Like eclipse TikTok. Wow. I'm probably on science because I got circular glasses. Well, and you're like smart. You're like an intellectual. Thank you. Yeah. You went to college.

I am an intellectual. That's why we have this today. There was a scientific, there was, it was a scientific experiment going every Margaritaville. That was a study. I mean, that is silly goofy. It is funny the contrast you have between silly goofy. We got a grant from Harvard to doing that, too. Wait, actually?

No. Oh. It's like, wow. Because it was kind of like everything. When I watched this, I was like, I wish I could have thought of this. Are your Fiverr videos? I was like, this is kind of groundbreaking. Yeah, of course. The Fiver kind of like everything. When I watched this, I was like, I wish I could have thought of this. Are your Fiverr videos? I was like, this is kind of like groundbreaking. Yeah, of course.

The Fiverr videos, wow. That was back when I didn't have really a notion of what I – like I wanted to do commentary, but I wanted to figure out the angle in which I could do it. It was kind of designed after iDubv's videos. It was after – wow. Wow. It was – because he used to do a series called Kickstarter Crap. Oh, I didn't know. I only know him from like content crap, like drama. So I was like, that's a weird connection.

Yeah, yeah. I got it. Okay. Kickstarter Crap. He would choose ones that are like really terrible and then like kind of just, you know, riff on them, make fun of them for whatever reason. i kind of was like okay i'll do that same thing and also make an alliterative title for that so i went on fiverr and i just made fun of someone that was i wonder if you were doing it before shane because i remember shane did fiverr i wonder if he stole it from you or you like it's like are you just doing the same thing at the same time shane uh shane dawson do you remember him i do yeah he used to do like fiverr videos all the time he'd pay people to do like random shit on fiverr and

i was like oh you know he's been around for a while. So I imagine he might have done it before me, honestly. But you just didn't know. You're just like different worlds. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things too when you have like 4,000 subscribers or whatever. It's like – because that's how much I had at the time I think when I was doing the Fiverr videos. It's kind of just like throw shit out of the wall and just – and there's no real pressure when you're not a huge YouTuber to like not – I don't know.

Like you still try to be unique, but obviously it's like not as huge pressure to not cover other people's topics. Like nowadays, if I was doing a video that like could cross within a category that like maybe one of my peers like, I don't know, like Curtis or Danny or someone would have done, then I'm probably going to like reach out to them and talk to them about it and make sure it's, yeah, yeah. Cause it's, I don't know. It's like the right thing to do. I feel like, and also like, I don't know. I just don't want to step again.

I don't want to step on people's toes. Wow. You're really considerate. I know. People just do like, if I went to Rainforest Cafe, I wouldn't think to reach out to you and be like, well, that's what people do. They go to Rainforest Cafe. Well, you can go to Rainforest Cafe.

You don't need a license from me to do that. Just go to all of them? Yeah, no, I'm the gatekeeper of the rainforest cafe now. What's your thing? Like that's what people know you for is going to every single one. And why did you do that? Well, it was one of the videos of that Fiverr era. I did a video with a buddy from college who was also an acapella, Ross, where I, cause I had gone to the rainforest cafe when I was a kid. And I just thought it was a ridiculous place that kind of just lived within nostalgia for me. So I was like, oh, it would be kind of funny if I just took someone who had never been to the Rainforest Cafe to the Rainforest Cafe.

He never had been? He had never been. Oh, my gosh. And he also had ornithophobia, which is a fear of birds. Oh, my God. Did he freak out? No, it wasn't that bad because they weren't moving. The way he described to me once

is that like them kind of circling above and the fact that they could kind of come down on him, I think is what freaks me out. Which I get. Honestly, I can... And birds are...

Birds are dinosaurs. They are. We all kind of are. We're all evolved. It's T. It's spelled. No, but they're like in a legitimate way that i'm pretty sure they descend from dinosaurs that's where birds come from yeah because dinosaurs had feathers see your science this is so science related

you know you should try to get on you should try to get hank green on if you're looking for some science oh i don't think he likes me see that's what i'm saying the drama because one time he was like trisha paytas is a troll and i was like well obviously but like he like went off on me a couple years ago so i don't think he likes me but shout out hank green like he's like an author and we love celebrities and all that stuff so you give me hank green vibes for sure yeah okay you have the short hair and the glasses and that's all it takes yeah that's all it takes guy with glasses no but you know about stuff like the dinosaurs and the birds which i'm like you know and so you want to see the solar eclipse. Like, that's why I'm saying you're science.

Like, it came from somewhere. Oh, trust me. If you saw a total solar eclipse, you'd be like, I want to go to every single one. I don't know. I saw like footage of it. My mom went to Austin to look at it and she, I don't know. Let me describe it to you. Let me break it down Barney style for you so you understand.

We're talking, you're out there in the eclipse. Have you seen a solar eclipse before? Moses? Not the full one. No. Not the full one. No one's seen it. So I'm the only one here who's seen the truth. Yeah. Yeah. solar eclipse before? Moses? Not the full one. Not the full one. No one's seen it. So I'm the only one here who's seen the truth.

Yeah. Yeah, let's get a first hand. Yeah, no, okay. So basically as it's, because you assume that you've seen like the partial part where it's like it's kind of crossing over like when it was maybe in 2017, maybe this year recently. Not in person. No. I saw videos.

TikToks I've seen. It gets dark for a minute and you're like, okay. No, I mean like the partial where it's like you look up with the glasses, and you see the sun's a little bit covered by the moon. I haven't seen it. Well, basically, it'll start doing that, and it looks already really sick like that, but as it's getting closer, we're talking like 80% and up,

it doesn't necessarily get darker at first. It starts to get dimmer, as if somebody took one of those little circle light switch things and they were actually turning it down which is like a weird way for light to behave in the world that you don't normally see and then when it actually gets to the point where it fully crosses it we're talking like it just goes fully dark but in a 360 degree like you look around anywhere it looks like there's a sunset in every direction, like that sort of orange kind of sky on the horizon. But you look up and it's literally just a black, the black sun.

It's crazy. But it's like light. It's like a black sun, so it's like a black light. Well, no, it's like the moon is right in front of it. But like around it, you can see the kind of like the solar, whatever, the corona of the sun or whatnot. But it's probably one of the craziest things that I feel like I've visually seen in our world. Did anything crazy happen like afterwards or during? Nothing necessarily.

Well, because it's a shadow, like a literal shadow that's on the Earth of the moon going across, it does this thing where it gets colder in that area, obviously, because the sun's warmth isn't there. So it does a thing where there's kind of like a draft that gets built up because of like – I am getting really scientific right now. I know. We're learning so much. I want to know. Like a draft gets built up because of the difference in heat and air.

So it's like – I don't need so much science. So when the eclipse starts, there's literally like wind comes through. And at least when – and I had actually seen the last solar eclipse that happened in America too in 2017. And that was during the – in August of 2017. And during that, since it was the summer and when I had seen it most recently, it was like winter, so there weren't any like animals and stuff out. But in that summer, the crickets started chirping because it was like they thought it was night.

And then like the streetlights would go on in that town center that we were in and stuff. So it was like weird. It was like it's – because you were like it's 2 p.m. It's never dark at 2 p.m. in it was like weird. It was like, it's because you were like, it's 2pm. It's never dark at 2pm in North Carolina or whatever. Yeah, you would think crickets would be smarter. Like, I would know it's 2pm. You know what I mean? Like, how do they not know just because it like went dark for a minute? Yeah, no, I bet all those crickets are really embarrassed when it turned back to light and they're like, what? Because the camels know like instinctually, right? Like, they would know like, how do they? Well, I i mean a lot of animals sort of operate on a circadian rhythm of like it literally being like night and day that's why you

can't that's why they say that's why you have like the blue the the night mode on your phone where it turns from like that blue light into the orange light because people say that if you're looking at like the you're getting a lot of blue light from your phone and it messes up your circadian rhythm where do you learn all this stuff? I don't know. I feel like I'm spitting right now. That's crazy. All this knowledge is just showing up in my head and I'm like, holy shit. How did you know that? Because you dropped out of college, right?

No. Oh, you graduated. Yeah, I finished it. Oh, okay. Damn. I think you're the only YouTuber to finish college. That's amazing, right? I don't know. I guess there is a lot of influencers these days that are becoming a thing at 16 and shit, and they just never go to school. At the same time, though, it's like, I don't know, college kind of is becoming less of

a thing, I feel like. Really? Well, have you heard? So many people, I feel like on TikTok I'm seeing, so many people are just getting out of school, and they have these huge degrees, and they still can't find a fucking job. Yeah. Yeah, it seems expensive, too. Oh, it is. can't find a job. Yeah. Yeah. It seems expensive too.

Oh, it is. Would you go to university? Yeah. Yeah. I went to, I went to a private college. Uh, well, well, I mean, as opposed to a public university, you know, um, but I went to Ithaca college in Ithaca, New York. Are you from New York?

No, I'm from Massachusetts. Oh, same thing, kind of. They're all there on the East Coast. Yeah, same thing. They're basically one state. Well, that makes sense then while you're in the theater. When you saw The Eclipse, do you remember Little Shop of Horrors? Have you ever seen it?

I have. No, I know it. It's just been a while. I mean, that's literally you. Thank you, Seymour. Yeah, you're a Seymour vibe. Didn't you sing that? Yeah, I did.

I did all the parts. Do you want to sing it right now? Do you know the words? No, I don't. But I could try. I feel like you would know. Who's the guy from Family Guy? Seth MacFarlane and Ariana Grande did it in the car.

Remember Carpool Coyote? You don't know any of it? I don't know any of it. That's one of them. I was so excited we were going to sing because every guest that comes on, I'm like, well, you sing. Even singers, and they don't want to sing with me and i was like how do you not want to say i can't sing but i love like broadway in theater so that's why i was like

but you actually say i heard you singing the grinch song and i was like oh he actually sings i did i did i'm a bass it's is that what you did in acapella group yeah it was a that was a bass yeah shout out what was the group called uh i see voice stream so we have like a college voice stream oh i see voice i used to date a bass singer in an acapella group do you remember the one Pentatonix yeah

I used to date that guy and he'd just go that was like his part in the thing was his name Ari Avi Avi do you know him

no I don't know him personally I know of him though yeah yeah I think he just disappeared though I don't think he's in the group anymore I don't know what happened to him he just disappeared met him on Tinder

and then he like quit the group and that's it that's all I know but yeah he was just but is that what you would do. He just disappeared. Met him on Tinder and then he like quit the group and that's it. That's all I know. But yeah, he was just, but is that what you would do too? You just go. Yeah. Yeah. Something along the lines of that. I love what people do. Yeah, exactly. I think it's cool. I wouldn't want to go back to that, but I want to finish the solar eclipse because I thought it was so interesting. The phone thing is very interesting.

How did you know about the blue and like yellow light thing? I think I had just seen it like progressively like online over the years. It was just like – Something you know. I don't know about you, but I finished most of my days where I'm like this on my side looking at my phone and stuff. And I think I had just seen it at some point where they were like the blue light just keeps you awake for longer when you look at your phone and stuff. So you got to put it down. I put my down around 6 p.m. I don't look at it anymore. I have to put my phone like not next to my side table. I have to put it like across the room if I want to be able to get up to my alarm.

Radiation too. It's bad. Like if I put my phone next to my baby, the doctor's like literally it can like radiate into the baby or something like crazy. The phones are still radioactive? Right. Isn't that a thing? Like I'm not supposed to sleep with it by my belly because I used to like have it by

my belly and they're like, don't put a phone there. I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. That could be way wrong. But in Little Shop – You're playing YouTube videos? Well, because I fall asleep with it. Putting Cocomelon and then put it on your belly? Oh my God. Cocomelon is like – I love that you know that. How do you know about Cocomelon? It's like they've got like 150 million subscribers.

Wait. That's so funny. That's so random. Their Wheels on the Bus video has more views than Gangnam Style. Oh, my God. We watch it probably 100 times a day. My daughter is just like, wheels on the bus, Coco, Coco. That's all she wants to see. Really? Because I know that there's a lot of – there's conversation online of like Coco Bell and

the baby sensory videos, like kind of just like rotten kid brains. Oh, for sure. It speeds up so quick at the end. Like there's one that goes like 100 miles an hour and I was just like, this seems not good for kids. Do you know what's a good show that I have heard is really great and is like a very highly rated show for kids? It's like this Australian show called Bluey. Have you heard of this? I'm not a Bluey. I'm not a Bluey. You don't like Bluey? No, I don't. Not my vibe. We're like more Miss Rachel people over here. It seems like this is a – the vibe I'm getting is that it's a suspicion based around

Australians right now. Oh yeah, for sure. Wait, how did you know that? That was just the energy that you were giving off. You were like, I don't trust that accent. That's crazy. But for real, British accents and Australian accents, mostly Australian though. Lately it's been crazy. Yeah. Cause there's a bunch of scandal going on with like Australians and stuff. With Australians and gents? On TikTok, yeah. Wait. You didn't know about this? Yes. The country of Australia is in – I'm going to Australia tomorrow. Wait, you are?

I am. Oh, my God. Thank you for coming right before your big trip. Wait, what are you going for? I have been meaning to go out there for years. I originally had an opportunity to go out to Australia in like – when I was still in school, like maybe in like 2019, like in the fall of 2019, but I couldn't because I was going to miss too many classes.

Oh, my God. That's everything. School before influencing. That was the one time where I was like – because I had already done like three years of school and it was one of those things where I was like I might as well just – Finish. I was going to school for a film. Like it wasn't like I was doing, I don't know, math or something.

It wasn't. At least I was still creating something and making something. I don't know. I just wanted to finish it just so I could have it and just say I did it because that's how I started. No, that's the ultimate flex for sure. Yeah, because I was going to owe the money for the other three years anyways. Might as well finish it out. Yeah, and then there's also a, you know,

I was, I think I might be going on, I've been, I'm not sure yet, but I might be going on Cold Ones with Max and Chad. Oh my gosh. How do you get all these opportunities? Well, I've known them for years. And then also there's a convention that's called DreamHack. What's DreamHack? What is it? It's honestly, it's kind of like a VidCon and like a gaming convention and like a whole bunch of stuff kind of all mashed together into one. Oh. That's the best way. But I also don't fully know. Okay, you're just going.

I'm kind of showing up because the friends that I know out there are going. I love that. Well, no, I think what's happening in Australia right now is like, yeah. I want to hear about where this suspicion around Australians is coming from. Because everyone's getting – like people are just like randomly stabbing people. You haven't seen this? Really? Yeah, there was like a big mob.

The whole country of Australia is stabbing people? Literally, there was a mob. Did you see this? Thank you. There was a guy just like going – like stabbing like women everywhere. And it happened not only in a mob, but it happened things. So maybe not the whole country i can understand where your perspective is coming from then as as a mother and and uh well there's that but also the bluey connection is i was hearing about the

the accents are it's kind of like you remember like back in the day when like the beatles right they'd have the album and if you play it backwards it's giving like satanic messages they say there's something like that with the australian accent in cartoons through kids. I just heard this recently. I don't know if it's true. This is allegedly, don't sue me, but like I really do think that's like a thing because when I listen to those accents like Bluey or Peppa Pig is British, I think there's some messaging going on there for sure. I'll tell you one thing.

Yeah. I've seen, because it's good that you brought up Peppa Pig because I've watched clips from Bluey that have shown up on TikTok and I'm like getting emotional watching it. Like, I don't know. I mean, you love. From what I've seen from bluey that have shown up on tiktok and i'm like getting emotional watching like i don't know i just from what i've seen from blue i haven't watched a full episode before i've just seen a lot of clips and i've fallen into like a tiktok hole where you watch clips of like a show you know what i mean yeah um and like the writing is really good and it's like kind of it's like a weirdly nuanced kid show peppa pig i don't trust for shit. Thank you, because that's what people have been saying. Peppa Pig is a fucking murderer.

Peppa Pig is a racist, is transphobic. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes. No, true. This is true. And you heard it here. Peppa Pig is, I think it's like some communist propaganda. Wow.

Yeah. That's a bold claim. Bluey's going to be there one day. Bluey's new and cool, but one day it'll be Peppa Pig for sure, where they look back and it's – I don't know, because Peppa Pig looks like it's like some scrapbook made by a madman, whereas Bluey is like well animated, you know? I just think it's a little misogynistic too. I don't know. It's Bluey.

Like it's a blue dog that's a boy. It's like – It misogynistic too. I don't know. It's blue II like it's a blue dog That's a boy. It's like well, you know No, definitely a boy No Well, you could be right actually, I don't know but I just always would think like that's a little okay Well, I guess it's gender fluid. Maybe internally misogynistic boy internally. Everyone's internally misogynistic including me. Everyone's a little That's well, you know, I don't know. I can't give it a try. How about this?

How about this? I'm going to – I'll do my best Australian accent and tell me if you think I'm like suddenly a murderer. So give me a sentence to say. Oh, answer this question in an Australian accent. Okay. What do you like most about being straight? What do I like most about being straight?

Well, I love women. That's so good. Wow, you sounded like Steve Irwin. Like, actually, that was great. Crocodiles. Oh, my God. That was amazing. I'm Steve Irwin.

I got canceled by a stingray. Oh, dark. He did. He got canceled by a stingray. I know. That's sad. It is honestly so tragic, though. That was like one of, you know, that's one of the celebrities that dies and you're like.

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yeah it's like uh it's like a robin will Robin Williams or like one of those people that's just like a universally loved person that's just like – Steve Irwin's was like really tragic because it was like he didn't have to die. You know about that? Yeah. No, wait. I don't know. I mean I knew he got stung by a stingray. Because he got stung by a stingray and they pulled it out.

And you're not – when you get stabbed by something, you're not supposed to pull it out because then it's like going to make it kind of fucking gush. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Yeah. You know so much. It's like safer to keep it in like a knife to have a knife stabs you keep it in yeah that's generally what they what they say that you should do is you should keep it in i mean obviously you know don't go through the rest of your day but like maybe go to the hospital just lay there don't run maybe like just keep interesting yeah oh man i wonder who did that

they probably weren't trained in stingrays who pulled it out of him or he pulled it out yeah i mean it's dark it's one of those things where it does kind of feel backwards if you get Oh, man. I wonder who did that. They probably weren't trained in stingrays. Who pulled it out of him? Or he pulled it out. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things where it does kind of feel backwards. If you get stabbed, you shouldn't pull it out. Because obviously when you've got a foreign object being lodged in your body, you're like, okay, well, that shouldn't be there. And you want to get rid of it. But, you know.

Yeah. Well, you know what? But that's like in a way I feel like a way he'd want to go. Right? Like I love food. You know, you like food. Like if I'm going to die having a heart attack eating Domino's, like that's where I want to go.

You know what I mean? That's how I want to leave the world. It's better than like. You want to have a heart attack at Domino's is the way you die. Well, maybe when I'm older. But I'm just saying people are like, oh, if you eat all that food, you're going to have a heart attack. I'm like, yeah, but I get to enjoy the food while I'm alive.

Do you know what I mean? I feel like you'd need to go out like in a Margaritaville or something, you know? Yeah, just like hammered out of my mind. Just full, full straight up alcohol poisoning from a perfect margarita. Oh, but you wouldn't know. Yeah, if you're blacked out, like that's actually a good way to go. I don't drink, but that would be a great way to go because you don't know.

All of a sudden you're just dead. I can't remember the last time that I got blacked out. Oh, really? You're not like a drinker. Well, you know, I drink alcohol. I drink alcohol. Don't get me wrong. I drink.

I'm actually pretty cool because I actually drink alcohol. Don't get me wrong. I drink. I'm actually pretty cool because I actually drink alcohol. No, but I feel like I just get the spins too early on in the whole process. I feel like if we're going on a timeline here and over here is getting blacked out, I'm getting the spins maybe

75% of the way there. I'm checking out before I even get to that point. The spins are the spins in your head? Like you feel like you're spinning? Yeah, like the kind when you're like, you're trying to go to sleep that night after going out drinking and you close your eyes and then it's like, and it's like, you know, you kind of feel like you're falling a little bit and you got to open your eyes and be like, okay, I'm going to lock in and you have to breathe and stuff.

I hate that shit. But when you go to like Margaritaville, you're obviously drinking there. Well, yeah, but like sometimes we're also on a road trip, so we can't get wasted at every, because sometimes we would do a Margaritaville in the morning, so we can't get wasted because one of us has to drive, you know? Did you do that for fun or for profit? Like, did you think this is going to be viral? Like, we're going to make so much money. What a well-worn question. I would say mainly for fun. We knew that after the first one, after Rainforest, we knew that it was going to do well. But at the end of the day, like the video itself is one thing. And then there's also the fact that like it's me and my friend Eddie going on like a huge cross-country road trip, which is a blast.

Yeah. And there's so many stops that we do and things that we do. And we're just like hanging out with your buddy for like a whole month on the road. And you loved it. Yeah. I really like road trips. I've done those two that have been videos. But then I also, when I graduated high school, I did a whole cross-country road trip with Tucker, who I gave the bracelet to when we got out of high school because he's my best friend from high school.

Oh, my gosh. And then I did, when I moved out to LA, I road tripped out here with my dad. And I think I did a couple more, honestly. That eclipse, that first eclipse I saw, I road tripped down in the south to do that. I've done like seven road trips. But your road trip back wasn't good from the eclipse, because you said you got stuck in traffic. So I was just like, you're like a bumper to bumper.

Oh, yeah, on the recent one, that one. Sorry, still into road trips? Or you're like, yeah, let's keep going to these. Yeah, because if I knew that I was going to be stuck in 12 hours of traffic, I would still do it again. What? Well, because the actual, we got to see an eclipse, a total solar eclipse. There's only like 70-ish eclipses that happen every century, total solar eclipses.

Well, you've seen two or three already, right? And I've seen two. Yeah, so. And I've seen two. But I think I've decided for myself that my goal is to like at least, you know, end my life watching at least a full hour of eclipses, of solar eclipses. So how many more do you have left then? Well, I've got five minutes down.

You won't make it. So I've got 55 minutes. Well, I think that the last I'm going to see – it will also give me an excuse to travel to different places because they happen all over the world at different points. Oh. So like – because they predicted when all of these are going to happen. And there's a Wikipedia page that says when and where each of them are going to happen. So I think the last one I'm going to see if I do this plan over the rest of my life is when I'm, is on my birthday when I turned 77 in Argentina. Wait, that's the next one? No, that's the last one.

Oh, last one. That's like, for me, that would probably be the last one where it's like, kind of unreasonable to keep traveling for solar eclipses when you're beyond 77, right? Yeah. And like, where are you going to post it? There's probably going to be no social media like this, you know, around. Well, so it's not to post though. It's to see. It's to see with my eyes. Yeah. You didn't do content while you were down there? With the recent one, I actually did. See, okay. So that's what I'm saying. I feel like you won't be as motivated. I did like a stupid dance video on TikTok for that. And that was like, I kind of decided that

like halfway to the eclipse. The main reason I went out for that eclipse was because I wanted to see that with my friend Tucker, who had never seen a solar eclipse before. I wanted to show him that. Wow. You love taking people for their first experiences, like rainforests. That's a really, that's an astute observation in a very genuine way. I think that's one of the ways that that's one of them. If that was a love language, that would be one of my love languages. Someone observing that or like taking someone's a first time? If I have like a restaurant or like some sort of thing that I really like, I will want to show it to people. And I will be willing to do that thing multiple times to show it to people.

Like I'll have them also get that experience. That's so cool. I like that. Do you do that with romantic partners or just friends? Yeah. I would say that that is also a way I show love and romantic relationships. Really? You're like, let me take you here. That would be fun. I guess it's like great because usually I'll have like a whole list where I'm like, oh, this place is awesome. I like these things. And it's honestly probably in the context of a romantic relationship,

it's probably pretty good too because it's like, I got a plan. Yeah. Oh, they'll be so excited. They'll be like, oh my gosh. Which usually it is very straight coded to not have a plan when it comes to dating. Like what do you want to do? I don't know where you want to go. Yeah. They're like, oh my gosh. Which usually it is very straight-coded to not have a plan when it comes to dating. Oh, yeah. Like, what do you want to do? I don't know where you want to go. Yeah. You're like, I have a whole list, actually. I actually saw this really good TikTok recently. You guys may have seen this.

It came up on my For You page where it was this guy on a podcast talking about a story about how he was in this relationship with this woman and he was like, pack your bags, we're going on a trip. And she was like, where are we going? He was like, this relationship with this woman and he was like packing bags we're going on a trip or uh and she was like where are we going he was like i'll tell you and he goes and they like travel all the way to like the south and he's like the whole time she's like where are we going where are we going and he's like i'm gonna tell you or i'll tell you later

i'll tell you later and eventually they get to this small little tiny town and dolly pardon's playing and she doesn't like play shows anymore um and then she was like oh well uh i really wish i had known because so i could you know have i would have an outfit that i would want to wear to something like that right and he was like that's so crazy that you say that and that would be even crazier if i didn't have your friend come over a couple days before and so i could also pack a bag oh my gosh all the things that you would wear. That's like the bachelor style. That's like I have a dress for you too.

But I watched that and I was like, this dude's got it all fucking figured out. You've got to step it up. He's got the secret sauce. So when you take a girl to see the solar eclipse, you also have to get her like a blinged out glasses or something cool, you know? And it was me going. What would be your ideal outfit if you were to go to the solar eclipse? Because I feel I'm getting the vibe that you like to dress for theme. Oh, always. Yeah, you know? Yeah. And it was me going. What would be your ideal outfit if you were to go to the solar eclipse? Because I feel – I'm getting the vibe that you like to dress for theme.

Oh, always. Yeah. I know. I'm very sad I couldn't dress like your theme today. I just didn't know how it was going to work. I'm glad Oscar dressed your theme, but I just didn't know. I was like trying to figure it out. For a solar eclipse, for sure, you would need like the glasses.

But I wonder like them cool because they're so ugly, right? The glasses are ugly that people wear. Yeah, they try to make them cool too. Do they? I feel like they look like – Well, they got like a design on them that's like, ooh, solar eclipse. But it's like. No.

They look like the old 3D red and blue glasses. Yes. The 3D glasses. Blue glasses, yeah. So I would do that. But what I was getting to earlier, in Little Shop of Horrors, the solar eclipse happens. It's in the sun. It's in the song.

Where the plant comes to life, it was during a solar eclipse. That's how the plant gets in on Earth, the plant that eats people. And he's like, and he's like, and all of a sudden there was a total eclipse of the sun. He's like, suddenly it got very dark and a strange humming sound came. And then like from outer space comes the plant. And so I would want to dress as Seymour and Audrey because that's where the solar eclipse happens and the plant comes to life. So you can have a little baby plant with you.

And I just thought that was such a missed opportunity. And no one on TikTok was talking about how the solar eclipse brought the Audrey 2 to like land you can have a little baby plant with you and i just thought that was such a missed opportunity and no one on tiktok was talking about how the solar eclipse brought out the audrey 2 to like land in suddenly seymour yeah you know i didn't see anyone talking about that and that's actually kind of fucked up it's so fucked up because everyone talks about oh i love little shop of horrors and it's like because it's on broadway it's all this stuff like that and i was like okay but fake and because your musical theater which is like the number one is little shop of horrors and solar eclipse fan i'm like that's like a perfect integration is little shop of horrors the number one musical Little Shop of Horrors and Solar Eclipse fan. I'm like, that's like a perfect integration for you. Is Little Shop of Horrors the number one musical theater?

For sure. The Suddenly Seymour song, everybody knows and sings. What about like Wicked? I feel like Wicked would be a little bit more in the zeitgeist of the- It's too new. Like Little Shop of Horrors has been around for like, like Rick Moranis was in the original movie like- What about Oklahoma?

Oh, but who watches Oklahoma? Like, have you seen it? Do you know Oklahoma stans? No. No, no, no. Never met one. Me neither. But to be honest with you, to play Devil's Agate, you are the first Little Shop of Horrors

stan I have ever met. Wait, but you were doing theater in high school. I just wasn't meeting people who were like, I fucking love Little Shop of Horrors. What? I don't know. It's huge on Broadway right now. Well, I know. I just think that people like it.

I just, I don't know. No, there's stans.. Well, I know. I just think that people like it. I just, I don't know. No, there's stands. For why, though? For what reason? Oh, God. Everything. The music, the movies. It's like Howard, it's like Alan Menken, Howard Ashman.

It's a cool show. I like the concept. It's really cool. So you've seen it? Yeah, I think I have. On stage or film? I saw the movie. Okay, so the movie's great, and the movie is like so iconic.

I know the Suddenly Seymour song, and I definitely just saw the movie yeah it's so good it's just i don't know it's and right now on broadway they have all these actors like darren chris is playing seymour and my friend katie loves darren chris he's in it right now tell her to go to if she's in new york tell her to go yeah no she lives in new york so she's probably seen it actually so good she's like she's a darren chris stan wait really actually i don't remember darren chris i know that's what i was gonna say no i know wasn't he in like, was he on Glee? Yeah. Yeah, no, because she really likes Glee. I learn all this information just from her stories

of her just being like, Darren Chris. Wait, really? Is she in the acapella group too? No, no. I met her in college. Okay. And you went to college, so you went to musical theater. What shows were you in then? In high school? I was in freshman year, I was in Legally Blonde. Wow. Who were you? I was in, freshman year, I was in Legally Blonde. Wow.

Where were you? I was one of the Harvard admissions officers. And then also for the rest of it, I was like, what's that fucking word? That's when you're just a general person. Oh, ensemble. Ensemble, yeah. Oh, wait, you weren't a lead? Freshman year, no.

No. Oh, okay. The high school I went to, it was like like I feel like we had a pretty good drama program So it was like pretty competitive like there was a good amount of like straight dudes that would do that would do it wasn't just like because I feel like a lot of drama programs like across the country is like maybe like a hundred women and then like the for like Gay guys that are like in the program as well like one one straight tenor the ethan slater is the christian borle we're talking about this yeah then you got that one really egotistical tenor

that is just like look at these high notes i can sing yeah and the girls love that's why the ethan slater is so hot i tell him this i'm like because he's like this theater boy that's like this straight but he's like hot and he sings and like that's why i think it's also so funny when people like idolize uh like celebrities that are like, like, for instance, like, like, Timothy Chamelet, like, it's like, brother's a theater kid, you know, it's like, people are less known. And it's like, that's someone that you would have been like, oh, you do theater. And now you're like, you're like, he's so hot. Oh, yeah.

No, him singing in the walkout. I was like, oh, my God, like, I just want to melt. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but I had lines in that, in that lines in that first one in Legally Blonde. Were you in the What You Want song? What song were you in? I said, she got a 175 on her LSAT. Oh, yeah.

And they go, 175, 175, 175. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. That's good. And then sophomore year, I had a big upgrade, and I played Willard in Footloose. Oh, that's good. That's a really good role.

So I got to sing Mama Says and all that. Oh, my gosh. And then in junior year, the longtime drama teacher there, Mrs. Potter, left. And then in came in a new guy, and he was only there for a year. There was a lot of – it was tumultuous a couple years after Mrs. Potter left. What happened with him? Inappropriate with the students or something? No.

Because that is my experience all the time. No. He was a nice guy. He just had a different way of doing things. I'm trying to remember. I'm pulling up old lore right now. It wasn't that long ago, your high school life. I think it was one of those things where he had just a different way of doing things.

He had one of those things where I think it was everyone who who auditioned would get in or something like that which was like dubious in its choices at least in my opinion back then um and all and i think he kind of had a thing where it was like anyone who normally would get like leads and stuff he would kind of like specifically like make a point to not give them leads and stuff like that which was interesting but i played like it was um sweetity was the musical in junior year. That's such an old one. That's so random. Yeah.

It was like – honestly, I didn't really care for it too much. But I was – my part was I had this like mostly ensemble, but then my one part where I had lines was – I was Dirty Old Man. That was your – oh, my God. What did you say in it? I don't remember. I don't even remember. That one, I don't really remember too much from that one.

And then senior year was Into the Woods. Ooh. And I played Rapunzel's prince. Oh my God, that makes total sense. So I got to sing Agony, which was. Wow. Into the Woods is no joke. That's a hard one.

That's a hard musical. Yeah, no, that one was a blast. I remember having a lot of fun with that one. Oh my God. What was the audition song? Do you remember what you auditioned with? My audition song? Oh, I've got no fucking clue, actually.

You didn't have like a run you always? Honestly, to be honest, I definitely had like a monologue that I always auditioned with because I had it memorized and I was like, why do I need to learn another one? I can just show. Like if there was no, like you know how to like slate and stuff when you come out there and do the auditions. But I don't know. Wow.

Yeah. And then I – that was like the last time that I ever did a musical theater was back senior year. But then you get into acapella in college. Yeah, because I also was in acapella in high school. So then I went and started doing it. I was – yeah. I was in acapella in high school. I was also in this thing called Madrigals.

Have you heard of this? It sounds familiar. What is it? It's a Madrigals. Have you heard of this? It sounds familiar. What is it? It's a Madrigals choir. Basically, it's – because it was like four different levels of singing that you could be in in the chorus thing. Like there was the normal chorus and then there was like concert choir or something. Then there was like chamber choir and they were like just of like different levels but then there was magicals which was an audition like a audition group where you dressed up as like medieval and medieval clothing and you sang like real it was like acapella but it was like medieval like chanting not really like chanting

what do you mean by chanting actually spam a lot you know like you know like those kind of things. Not so much that. Okay. I love that. More like something that you'd hear, like would sound really good if it was sang in a cathedral, you know? Oh, okay. That kind of stuff. Like what was you saying? Can you give us a little bit of that? A lot of it was in Latin.

Oh, my God. Did you know what you were saying? There was this one song called Northern Lights, I think, that I can very vaguely remember. But if I sang it, I would just be singing like. Yes! Go! No, no. It would literally just be. I wanted to hear it.

We need the clip for TikTok. People want more of you singing. Do you know what's funny? When I got to college and I auditioned for the acapella groups there, I used the bass part of one of the songs that I sang. Like just me singing the bass part of one of the songs to audition for like the all male acapella group, which I didn't get into. And it was literally just me. It's like a medieval song. Get out of here.

I don't know what it is. And it was like, I would get up there. And everyone else, I found out this later because I didn't know what it is. And it was like, I would get up there. And everyone else, I found out this later, because I didn't know how to audition for an acapella group. And everyone else was singing like, my heart's in misery. Like, they were singing like pop songs. I come in there and I'm singing like a medieval chant, I guess. Yeah.

Where I was like, to woodland glades I must fare. To woodland glades I must fare. Oh my god, that was so good. To woodland glades I must fare. Oh, my God. That was so good. Thank you. They didn't think so. You didn't get in with that? No, dude.

They were probably – because it was – they're all sitting there. It was for Ithacapella, by the way. Ithacapella folks love you guys to death. No, they're all very nice people. But I imagine that they were sitting there and they were looking at me sing this medieval chant and they were like, does he not know how the we auditioned for this? Like I find out and cause they brought it up a couple of years later and I was like, son of a bitch.

Cause I realized later how cringy that must've been. I definitely knew that they were probably like, what the is going on? Because on because then later on you know obviously like all the members of the octo groups when they do auditions next year so i kind of knew what that process was like in years later so i was like you should have watched pitch perfect before i know some kelly clark's yeah something yeah i think for the for the group that i ended up being in, I sang, I think I might have sang Feeling Good, Michael Buble. Wow. Which is a little high for me. It's more of a baritone sort of thing.

I was going to say, can you sing? Can we hear the hum? Sun in the sky. I don't know. I can't sing confidently on a podcast. Wait, why? That was so good. You know how I feel.

It's a new dawn. It's a new dawn. This is a safe space for you to sing. I'm the worst singer in the whole world and I love to sing every chance I get. This is like birds flying high. There. That's so good. For TikTok.

You know how I feel. A sun in the sky. You know how I feel. Beads dripping on by. A sun in the sky, you know how I feel. Isn't there a big sun? It's a new dawn. It's dripping on by, you know how I feel. It's a new dawn. I'm not going to sing that high note, though. I don't have the confidence to do that high note.

It's like edging us. We need the whole. There's no edging. There's no gooning. There's no edging. There's no gooning on this podcast. What's gooning? I don't know this either.

You don't know what gooning is. I know. What is it? Really? Is it a straight thing? Justin, ladies and gentlemen, Trisha Paytas does not know what gooning is. I'm also 35 and I have no idea. Oh, I'm sure that there's 35-year-olds that know what gooning is.

Really? Well, I'm sure there are. Honestly, I don't know. I'll let you know when I'm 35. What's gooning? Tell me. Is it gross? Is it something gross?

You know what gooning is? No. He doesn't know what gooning is. You know what gooning is. Yeah, Thank you. You know what gooning is. Yeah, I do. I actually don't fully know. It's like, it's kind of, I think it's just like jerking off for a long period of time. Why gooning?

Why is it called gooning? Well, because there's this whole thing where there's people that have these things called goon caves, which is. Oh, I didn't know that. You didn't know about the goon caves? I didn't know about the goon caves. You didn't know about the goon caves. All right. I didn't know that. You didn't know about the goon cave. I didn't know about the goon cave. You didn't know about the goon cave. Where it's like they have, imagine, you know, like the stereotypical image of a hacker where

it's like they're in a dark room with a thousand monitors and they're typing away. Imagine that, but like with porn on every screen and it's like, and that's what they do. It's a goon cave. They got it all set up. Are they hacking the porn, or they're just watching the porn? Didn't you just say a hacker, but it's all porn? Well, I was just using that to give you a visual, but they could be hacking into the porn.

I don't know what that quite would look like, but I imagine it would be advanced hacking to hack into the porn. So it's somebody who has multiple screens of porn on and they're going at it. Yeah, they're going at it. They're going at it. Ooh, that sounds sticky. And it sounds gross. Yeah.

No, it's a sticky business. But some people take up the torch and they go to war. You know a lot about gooning. What was the other one that said edging? I wouldn't say I know that much about gooning well you said it let's not I know

well I didn't say that I'm I said I know what it is I don't I'm not a resident expert on gooning I'm not gonna come on here I can be a resident expert

on my knowledge on solar eclipse I will not say that I'm an expert on gooning your lower third is gonna say be expert

like it's do you guys have like broadcast like visuals that come out? Yes. Oh, okay. That's going to come on screen. Great. We have like little B-rolls and stuff like that. We'll throw that in there.

Oh, expert on gooning? Great. That's actually so funny with the pink wall behind you. Well, you're also not an expert on tampons. I saw a clip of you talking about this yesterday too. What? Yeah, you were on a podcast. I am an expert on tampons.

Are you kidding me? I want to know if you actually know the answer because you asked the guy, you're like, do you know how many tampons a day a girl uses? But then you never answered yourself. A day? Yeah. Well, let's talk about flow. What are we rocking with?

That's what you said, but I was like, but it's not based on flow. I mean, I imagine that it could be four to six. Why do you think that? Maybe even seven. How did you calculate that? How did you calculate that? How did you calculate that? Yeah. Because it's fucking like blood that's coming out of the vagunus and it's like you got to – I do know that if you keep one in for too long, you're going to septic shock.

I don't think that's true. I think it happened one time when they put that on the box. I was a woman and I had blood coming out of my crotch and I knew that I would die if I didn't replace it. I'd probably go through at least six or seven a day if I was on my period. So you think they – yeah, take it out. How many do you go through? Do you know? I have no idea.

Yeah. No, wait. Sorry. You take it out just so you don't get septic shock. Yeah. You take it out. But this is why Ted is so baby girl coded because other straight guys wouldn't even think or fathom like, okay, let me do the algebra.

This might be a crazy question, but are you gay? Very, yeah. Okay. I had to ask before I went and assume. So now I was about to – that was what my pause was about. I was like, maybe I should ask him first. I think that out of anyone, gay men are the least equipped to answer any questions about women. That's true.

If you never dated a girl. At least the straight guys, at least we're there in the trenches. In the trenches. Totally. Surely, you're in the trenches right now. We see them do it. Yeah. I couldn't even imagine what they would be like

at all, honestly. Just like a tampon in general or a period flow? Both. Because I don't even, I've never seen a vagina, period. Right.

No pun intended. Right. Is it like pissing? Does it feel like pissing? Peeing or tampons? See, now I'm asking like a crazy question. Because you put the tampon in. I don't know why.

The tampons are definitely not like peeing because you put it up. You don't pee upwards. Right. You know what I mean? You're trying to stop the... It's a... How many tampons do you think I use a day right now on my period? I don't think that you use any because aren't you... Are you not currently pregnant? Wow! Good job!

That was a good... That was a trick question. Well, I... Okay. question. Well, okay. I know how periods work. It's like every month you've got all of this, this stuff inside of the, inside of the uterus. And at, when your body decides,

Hey, we're actually not having a baby this month. Sorry guys. Then your, your, your body's like, all right, well we got all this shit in here.

We got to get rid of it. We got to flush it out. So it's like all the inner walls of there getting flushed out, right? Your eggs are breaking. Yeah. Like the eggs didn't fertilize, so they break and you got to release them. So yeah. So that's all eggs? I think so. I feel like it was the lining of the- Oh, you know what? I don't even know what a labia is. So I'm the wrong person to ask this. You don't know what a labia is? No. You don't know what a vulva is? No.

We were talking about this the other day. I actually don't know the parts of a vagina. The hymen we didn't know. The hymen. Why do they have a hymen? Can you explain that one? I don't know what a hymen is. That sounds like a hip and liberal name to call a baby.

We're naming our firstborn boy Hymen. Ooh, that's a good baby name, actually. Hymen Jasper Smith. But what is the purpose of it? We're so excited to welcome Hyman Jasper Smith to our family. It's kind of a cute name, actually. I'm not going to lie. That's kind of a slay. Yeah, a Hyman. Maybe for a boy or something. Don't name any of your kids Hyman, please. But why do you need it? Why do we have it? I don't know. I just think it's a funny word. I know. But I will tell you that I believe that the vulva is, you know, the outer part of the

scenario of the women's genitalia. I thought it was labia. I thought the lips were labia. I think it's interchangeable. I think labia is. Same thing? Yeah. I always thought the vulva was the thing hanging in your throat.

That's the esophagus. Or uvula. Uvula. Yeah. Okay. So close. It was thing? Yeah. I always thought the valla was the thing hanging in your throat. That's the esophagus. Or uvula. Uvula. Yeah. Okay, so close. It was close. Yeah, and then the inner part, you know, the tunnel, that's the vagina. What's that called? Oh, vagina. Just a vagina? Really? Yeah, well, because everyone, I feel like generally what people do is they just call all of it vagina. Yeah, that's what I think.

That's not like totally accurate. Vagina, vagina. Yeah, because there's no parts of the penis like that, you know what I mean? There's no, I guess, taint and... You know what's always crazy, though? I feel like a lot of this information I learned in sex ed in high school, and I don't understand how people don't know that because they teach you this. No, they told us abstinence. They literally told us, like, don't have sex.

Oh. Yeah. Where did you grow up? Illinois. I grew up in, like, a farm town. That explains a lot. Just in general, I brought this. So, like, if you see a field of corn, are you like, no?

Yeah, absolutely. Illinois triggers me. Corn triggers me. Farm triggers me. Like, all that stuff triggers me. What, corn mazes? So like if you see a field of corn, are you like, no. Yeah, absolutely. Illinois triggers me. Corn triggers me. Farm triggers me. Like all that stuff triggers me. How about corn mazes? Does that trigger you? Absolutely.

Because I did get lost in corn mazes multiple times. I do not like them. They're not even mazes. It's just corn stalks. And you just like go in there and you get lost because kids are mean. And they're like, go find me. And then you just get lost forever in there. Yeah.

Like children of the corn status. But you do know a lot. I applaud you for knowing so much about a woman's body because I actually don't even know all that. So I heard the tampon conversation. You're sort of like an ambassador to women. That's impressive. And see, that's what I'm saying, baby girl coded, because a lot of straight guys just wouldn't even like know. They say like one tampon a day or something.

You're very like in tune. How accurate was I with my number? Actually very accurate. I mean, really it's just how often they pee. I think that my old thought was like maybe like four or something but then i was like i you know i've i've been thinking i've been upping my number just by observation like you see a woman just by what i like every time i see a tiktok interview where they ask that same fucking question because i feel like there's so many tiktok interviews where there's like where there's a woman out in the streets of some college town

and they're like how many tampons do you think a woman uses? Yeah. That's why I was surprised you brought it up. And then there's some dude who's like, maybe like once a week. Yeah. No, the always are like that. And then the comments are like, once a week, I would die. Yeah, I guess if you had a burn. And I'm like, noted. Noted to my folder, my manila folder I keep in my apartment of women info.

That's amazing because I saw you asking that and I was like, I wonder if they know because I see this topic so much and I'm like, God, do people really not know? Yeah. But I guess how would you know? I mean, honestly, it's like one of those things. Yeah. Period suck. That's the worst.

Yeah. I'm so glad that I don't have to deal with a period. That's like – it's just not equal. Let's be honest here. Thank you. Sometimes guys will say, oh, well, we could get hit in the balls and it's like, yeah, okay. Well, how often are you getting hit in the balls, buddy?

You're getting hit in the balls every month? Somebody said it as an argument. That's weird. That's not even close. Yeah, so I mean. And it's not by choice. What's a male equivalent to a period? Male equivalent to a period. I mean, in terms of like medical stuff, I suppose we have to get the colonoscopy at some point.

What's that? They shove the little – is it a camera? We have to get a camera up our ass to take a look at – yeah, because like they say to do that like probably like maybe age 35 and onwards or something like that. Have you had one? No. I've never heard of anyone having colonoscopies. You should get a colonoscopy. It's a –

Oh, my God. I would suggest doing it early. and colonoscopies. You should get a colonoscopy. It's 50 maybe. Oh my God. I would suggest doing it early. It's like, because basically it's, you're looking for, it's checking for colon cancer, which is a, you know,

it's a pretty preventable type of cancer, but it's only if you like get yourself checked for it. And so they put a camera up your ass. What? Because you don't have a colon. Or a prostate, right? Prostate.

Yeah, I have neither of those. Not colon cancer, prostate cancer is what I'm talking about. I just put, I don't know why I just Or a prostate, right? Prostate. Yeah, I have neither of those. Not colon cancer. Prostate cancer is what I'm talking about. I don't know why I was saying colon for about five minutes. I believed you. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. Well, colonoscopy makes sense. Replace everything I just said in editing with prostate and then –

Can't they just check with like a finger? I think that they do sometimes. Yeah, and then to get more thorough. Like go up further. You would love to give those. Not me. Sacha Baron Cohen would love it. I don't know if I could. I do like a little bit, but not crazy.

I'm wondering what it is then. So maybe it's the tube goes in through your mouth then? Is that how it works? No, it's up the butt? It definitely is up the butt. Wow. What's the colon? I don't know. You're our source for science info, so if you don't know what's true. You don't know the colon? I don't know. You're our source for science info.

So if you don't know. You don't know colon? You must know. I don't know. But you know everything about everything. Yeah. Now I'm feeling bad. I feel like I should have this information. But now I'm like confused.

I think you get colon cancer too. I think there's both. No, it's definitely. It rolled off the tongue right. So I was like, that's definitely a cancer. Oh, man. Well, I guess it's not too bad. Like you said, you only have to get that like once you're like 35 or something like that.

Yeah, yeah. Because it's like what you're checking for is like nodes or whatever, like little indicators of – because it's pretty easy to remove if you spot it early. So it's – I don't know. I'll be doing it. I'll be doing it. Wow, what an advocate. I love that. That's your platform.

It is. If Trisha Batis is any of like 35 and older male watchers, get yourself checked for prostate cancer and also colon cancer, I guess. And they might find hemorrhoids up there because I had that happen once and they find hemorrhoids that are just stuck up there and you can't do anything about them really. It just bleeds when you poop. I could also have this backwards. We could be thinking about colon cancer right now and then like we're just fucking it up.

Because at the doctor's sometimes the doctor there will stick his – Yeah. He'll finger your booty hole. Have you had that happen? I don't think I have. No. I feel like I would remember something like that. Or maybe not.

But for guys, it feels good. That's why – Maybe I blacked out. I was like, what's happening? But because of the prostate, that's why it feels good for guys to have it. I just wake up on the dog's thing. What did you do to me? But I feel like it feels good because you have a prostate.

That's why it's called the P spot. So when they like, you know, it hits something back there, it feels better for guys. It's like a G spot, but in the back. Yeah, I guess you wouldn't know, but from personal experience. This is what I'm saying. Yeah, you gotta give it a whirl. I'm not saying everyone has to try, but I do know so many people who like try. That's why pegging exists, right?

That's true. You never had that? What happened? No, I've never been pegged before. Really? No, I have not. I'm surprised. I feel like guys do like that.

They want to try it at least once, you know, with a girl, with anything. I suppose the fact that there is something that could be experienced down there is interesting, but then also it's one of those things where it's like, that's where I poo from. Well, you clean it out. There's so many ways to clean it. I know, but it's just, I don't know. It's just, it seems. Keep it dirty. It just seems a little, it just seems, it's the same thing with the notion of, the same thing with the notion of eating ass.

Like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't want someone's. You don't want it to happen to you or you don't want to do it to someone? Well, I definitely don't want to do it to someone. And I am, would be – I would feel – You'd be worried. I would feel bad. You know? What? I would feel bad.

I'm like I don't want anyone near my butthole. Like that's – It's better. As a woman, it's better to eat the front than the – or eat the back than the front. Like it's better. Because then your jaw doesn't hurt. It's just like – it's like tongue. There's – what do you mean the front? Like the penis? Yeah. I think I'd rather in the back. You'd rather eat it's better. Because then your jaw doesn't hurt. It's just like, it's like tongue. There's the front.

What do you mean the front? Like the penis? Yeah. I think I'd rather in the back. You'd rather eat ass than give a low jump? I think a lot of girls would. You'd be surprised. Really?

The other one is too hard. I get so tired and my mouth. I get sore throats every time. I get a sore throat. I'm like, I can't do this. It's too much. Like, so anyways, just a little tip. Girls probably would like it.

Again, don't knock it until you try it. Like it actually kind of probably feels good, but. I feel like people should be allowed to knock it before they like it. Again, don't knock it until you try it. Like it actually kind of probably feels good, but. I feel like people should be allowed to knock it before they try it. I feel like there should be at least one allowed knocking. Just one then. You can pick one,

pegging or eating, whatever one you want to knock. But not both. No, not both. That's something when every man turns 18, they have to sign a form. It's like the same thing

when you sign up for the selective service. You also got to sign your pegging or eating ass form. Well, you're young. It'll change. You get older and then you get bored. I don't think I'm going to be eating ass when I'm 50. Not you. Someone else will. Your wife of 20 years will be like... I'm going to eat ass

on my birthday when I go to the final solar eclipse when I'm 77. What a way to celebrate. I'm going to get pegged under the solar eclipse when I turn 77. That's cute. Well. I'm going to get pegged under the solar eclipse when I turn 77. That's cute. Well, I mean, you might as well do it then, you know, on your way out. Yeah. That's the time to do it.

I'm not going to die when I'm 77. Oh, okay. I thought that's when you thought you were ending. When do you guys want to live until? Actually, that's a good question. Mine's 77, actually, because he'll be 88. That's my lucky number. He was born in 77.

I was born in 88. So when he's 88, I'll be 77, and I think that's when we should both go out together. So you're into the angel numbers? I am. I was born in May 1988, so I have three eights on my birthday. When did you find out about angel numbers though? I don't know, like TikTok or Instagram, you know? How about you? Do you believe in them? I don't know. I think they're so real.

I found out through a similar way too. Yeah? But like, do you ever think about like, what if you missed a bunch of angel numbers? Your whole life before you found out about angel numbers. Oh, right. But I don't think they were meant- What if there were really important angel numbers that happened earlier in your life? They weren't meant for you. Oh, right. But I don't think they were meant. What if there were really important angel numbers that happened earlier in your life?

They weren't meant for you. Like, I think you only see them when they're meant for you. You know what I mean? Interesting. And I was born on an angel number. I was 888. So I was like,

there's no way I missed it. Like, I was here, you know, for it. I think that my mom has been into angel numbers for a while. What's hers? I don't know what they are. I think that she just talks about

how she sees sevens everywhere. Like, before I ever heard about angel numbers, she would talk about how she would see sevens in places, and then she would apply significance to that. But I would say that my mom has a little bit of a spirituality aspect to her. She wick him? No, no. It's more like I think that she has a – well, it's more like she has a – I think she sort of has a spiritual relationship with her mother, my grandmother. And that's where a lot of it comes from because she was the youngest of six. And so I don't know.

She used to always be the baby and stuff like that when she was growing up. And there's actually – I forget if I ever talked about this on another podcast, but there was a very interesting story where she was like, I forget if it was when she was giving birth to me or when she was giving birth to my sister. But, oh, you know what? It must have been when she was giving birth to me based on the story. I was just remembering the story. And she was in the operating room, the birthing room, or I don't know what the fuck. What's it called? You actually should know this.

I don't know either. A birthing room. I don't know what the fuck you what's it called you actually should know I don't know either a birthing room I don't know hospital um and she was delivery room like I think she was talking to my dad and she was like I don't know if I can do this again she was like getting really you know stressed out she's about to you know give birth and maybe like less than a year before um my grandmother had passed away um and so she was still kind of like dealing with the grief behind that but a nurse came into the room and said to my my mom and my dad i guess we were in there whoever was in there and they were like um can we can we have her for just a second or whatever? Or her mom is on the phone right now. And the mom's dead.

Yeah. Oh, my God. And then my mom responded. And she was like, well, that must be a long distance phone call. Oh, my God. And, you know, it was one of those things where I think it turned out to be like they had the wrong room or something like that. But for my mom, it was like that was her mom's way of saying that she was still there for her. Because, you know, her whole stress about it was like the last time that she had given birth to someone, like her mom was there to support her through it. So she wasn't sure if she could, you know, do it because she, you know.

She didn't have her mom with her. Yeah. But that's a sign. That was, you know, that felt like her way of her mom reaching down from, you know, heaven or whatever and saying that she's there. Which I think is, honestly, I think it's a cool story. Oh, for sure. I believe in those signs. Yeah.

So I think that for a lot of people it's – it could be really – it can be really helpful and it can – Comforting. Yeah, comforting and stuff like that. Which is like kind of what, you know, either spirituality or religion is kind of meant to do in the first place. As opposed to like, I don't know, starting wars and shit. Right. You ever heard of the Children's Crusade? No.

Dune. I know that's Dune. Dune? Dune? Dune is not the Children's Crusade. I swear. I haven't heard of any of these. No, no.

In medieval times. Have you heard of the Children's Crusade? No. In medieval times, the Christian church, I forget if it was the catholic church or like the orthodox or whatever but uh the the church they were doing a bunch of crusades for a while you know they were sending people to go retake jerusalem or whatnot uh and they did one where they sent a bunch of kids i think what happened. Oh, they all fucking like died and shit. Wait, a crusade is what?

Like a war? Yeah, like it's a holy war. And they all got killed by who? Oh, I mean, they were fucking like, I don't know. Wait, why did you, why were you talking about children's crusade from the birth, your mom's birth? Well, because I was talking about spirituality

and then I was like, it's helpful to people as opposed to, you know, as opposed to maybe not so good when it's starting wars and stuff like that. But – Yeah. Let people have their religion. When atheists get so mad about it, I get it.

But it's also like just let them have it. If they're delusional, whatever. It's better, like you said, than like unaliving people, like stabbing people in Australia or something like that, you know? Yeah. Turn to God. I would consider myself to be agnostic, which is like – What's that?

That's like whatever happens, happens, man. Yeah, yeah. It's like kind of – it's kind of like leave me out of this, you know? Interesting, yeah. I'm just like –, leave me at this, you know? Interesting, yeah. I'm just like, I'm just not involved, you know? Do you like meditate or manifest or anything? I can't say I'm doing too many manifesting things. You don't?

Wow. You don't visualize like where you want to be? You kind of are with the solar eclipse. Like I'm 77, I'll be here watching it. I feel like that's just like a goal, though. That's visualizing, though. You're like seeing yourself. Well, right. But isn't that just like a plan though. It's visualizing though. You're like seeing yourself. Well, right.

But isn't that just like a plan? Well, some people don't have plans. You don't manifest like. Are you sure that your thoughts on what manifestation is isn't just a different. I don't know, honestly. Are you sure it's not a synonym for the word plan? That could very well be. I've never planned before, but now that I manifest.

This morning I manifested, I would have breakfast and I did. But that is manifesting. I don't think that it is. We manifested you here. Yeah, we did manifest you. We talked and talked and talked. But you directly DM'd me. And you've been talking about me on your podcast.

I manifested. We talk about a lot of people. I know, but you made an active. So what is manifesting then? Maybe I don't have a proper understanding of what manifesting is and so i think i need to do it even the most unbelievable things and then they like happen you know what i mean i don't think that you having a fellow content creator on your podcast was like an unbelievable i think it is especially your time yeah i mean i don't i haven't

really been on that many podcasts i suppose other than my own you're on so many podcasts i was seeing so many clips of you unless it was like other podcasts i guess over the years i really been on that many podcasts, I suppose, other than my own. You're on so many podcasts. I was seeing so many clips of you. Unless it was other podcasts with other people. I guess over the years I've been on plenty. But in terms of reaching out into other – because I suppose you guys would be in a separate – because you know how everything is kind of split up into sections. You guys are in a different – you guys are in the – What are we in?

Really gay gossip. Yeah, gossip. Bubble gum. I don't know. I feel like you guys are in the section of that world that is like surrounded around like a lot of, to be perfectly frank, a lot of drama and vlogging is what I. Wait, what's vlogging? Well, I mean. We're not vloggers over here.

Definitely drama. Like drama vlogging LA sphere stuff you know okay that's at least where I associate it with in my mind okay interesting

yeah we're tuned in we get the we get the it girls on this podcast and stuff so I guess I would say with like fun girly

like bubblegum like the nail polish bubblegum pop yeah bubblegum pop bubblegum pop pop culture-y gay fun

Kim Petras color yes ooh love that love that reference yeah choice of on twinks like that's kind of a vibe twinks uh bears twonks otters wolves is that one no sure yeah i've been told that that was what i was i thought i was busting out about like some some deep cut LGBT information. I mean, you're more in the gay culture than I am. I was told at one point by an established homosexual.

By an established homosexual. You know what's one of those things? It feels like gay is more the norm now. And it feels weird to say homosexual now. It almost feels like an insult. Right. Anyone who's called homosexuals. Like it's almost the same as like – it feels almost the same as calling like a black person African-American almost.

Right. OK. Or the same vibe at least. Yeah, where it's like when – it's so specific that it's like, are you racist slash homophobic? Like why are you saying that? Right. Gay is cute. Homosexual sounds aggressive.

Yeah. What was I originally saying? Estab why are you saying that? Right. Gay is cute. Homosexual sounds aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. What was I originally saying? Establish homosexual as saying that you're a wolf. Yeah, that a wolf is a thing. Is he? Give me all the, what are all the names? I love when you write it down.

So we got bear, twink. Cub. Cub? Yeah. Okay. Baby bear. Did you say otter? Otter, yeah.

He's an otter. Yeah. And then there's pups. So this is all new info to me. Otter. Really? Yeah. So do you build dams in the bedroom? He's an otter. Yeah. So this is all new info to me. Otter? Really? So do you build like dams in the bedroom? That's a beaver.

Wow, you got him. You got him on a science class. That's fair. Okay, fine, fine. Follow up then. When you are, do you sleep in water? And follow up question to that, do you hold hands while you sleep in the water?

Ooh. Because that's what otters do. You know about that, right? No idea, but. Otters hold their hands with each other when they sleep so they don't float away from each other. Wait, what? That's so cute.

I love that. I wonder if otters are gay in the wild. For sure. Right? And codependent, apparently. Would you say that they have gay energy? I can't speak as a spokesperson to say that. And they give little clams, I think, when they're in love.

I think. They give each love I think I swear yeah so it's kind of sweet I wish that there was a beaver type because then that joke would have landed well isn't beaver like vagina wait what that's a beaver I swear beaver

I've never heard it called a beaver you've heard beaver wow but we haven't finished our list yet Beaver? Wait, really? I've never heard it called a beaver. You've heard beaver? Wow. Okay, well, both of them are saying it. Okay, it's okay. But we haven't finished our list yet. So we've got bear, twink, cub, otter.

And then there's like silver fox. I guess maybe wolf is like a step above. Maybe wolf is a step above. Like what was the context when they told you, the established? I think it was the same type of conversation when I was asking for that. I was asking for the list of, like, fighting styles. And they're like, you're a wolf. They just made it up.

Yeah, and I heard wolf, and I was like, what does that mean? And I think there was maybe some aspect of, like. A predatory. Yeah, but not in, like, the weird way. Yeah, there's, like, an energy, but not, like, weird way. Yeah, there's like an energy, but not like in a bad way. Like a dominating kind of energy? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Like where it's like, I'm going to get you. You know? I don't think you're like an owl. You think that if I was gay, I would be an owl gay? Yeah. Yeah. Right? I guess.

Is it because of the glasses and the fact that I've given a lot of new information on Maybe. Very wise. And my baby girl, she's into owls. She'll go, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo, all the time. Owls are cool. We have a lot of them here. Really?

You'd be an owl. Have you seen any of them? Yeah. We have video of it up on our roof. They're like right there from our bathroom. An owl is awesome. They're huge. I feel like if I ever, like, because they don't make noise because they're like stealthy motherfuckers

unless other than the times that they're literally giving away their position like an idiot. That's you. Did you guys ever do a thing when you were growing up where you had to dissect owl pellets? Wait, what's a pellet? Well, now I feel crazy for bringing it up. Sounds like poop or something. Now I, it is. What?

No, it's like, okay. Owls, they hunt various little tiny scurrying creatures along the floor of the forest, such as shrews, mice, smaller birds occasionally. And they eat those motherfuckers whole. They swallow those motherfuckers and it's terrifying but there are a lot of bones when it comes to like a like a mouse these are all vertebraes you know they've got bones they can't they don't have this kind of the digestive tract where they can poop that shit out so they gotta like kind of similar to a cat they have to hack it up so they'll create they'll have like these things called owl pellets so when i was in maybe elementary school, it might have been just like – I went to a weird elementary school.

But we would do this thing where they would bring us owl pellets and we would wear gloves or whatever. And we would take them apart and kind of pull the bones out of these animals and kind of try to figure out what they would – like sometimes someone would find like a head of a mouse or something like that, like a a skull of a mouse or like little stuff and kind of like i don't know they gave you real ones because usually i feel like that was better than like the shit like like having to dissect a frog you know do you ever have to do that i had to do a frog that smelled so bad but they like pre they they made them nice for you it wasn't like a real dead frog they put like yellow stuff in there and stuff like they would clean them up for you. Yeah, but I think my biggest issue was the smell because it's like they were like prevented from

decomposing with some sort of fluid or some sort of chemical. They did smell so bad. That was like the worst smell ever. I still feel like I can imagine it. It's been like fucking probably eight years. I wonder why they do that. I wonder if they still do it. Because it's probably one company that does it and like ships it out to a bunch of schools where it's like here's your fucking frog but what's the point like who ever needs that in life i mean what's the point of any education i guess so you don't get scammed like i wish i knew math i never did someone was trying to sell me a dead frog i'm gonna want to be able to be prepared to dissect that thing and make sure that all its parts are there if I'm going to be able to use it for my purposes.

I guess. Yeah, if you're like trying to eat a frog. Were you in Newton, Massachusetts? Is that where you grew up? No. No. I was in Middlesex County, which is – I mean, I guess I'm doing a video. I'm from Acton, Massachusetts.

Okay. That's – Which is the same town that Steve Carell grew up in. Oh, that's the vibe you give me. You give him my – you have a lot of vibes. You're like Steve Carell. up in. Oh, that's the vibe you give me. You give him my vibe. You have a lot of vibes. You're like Steve Carell. You're like Garrett Watts. I tell – a lot of people tell me that I give dad vibes.

You definitely dad vibes for sure. Yeah, which is like kind of a – it's always – that's always a weird one because it's almost – like I get it that people are into dad bods and stuff these days and they like the dad energy and they like someone who can hold down a home. And it's a conversation. There's an aspect of it that almost feels a little backhanded because it's like, oh, so you think that I'm like – I'm actively 26 and you think that I'm like 45. Definitely.

Nothing against people who are of middle age. Literally 45 right here. That's sort of why I was adding that explanation there. Nothing against that. You're beautiful and you're natural. But when you're 26, you won't be being told that you have off energy. You do give off 45 energy. When I find how young you are.

But you look young. That's so crazy that you're saying that because I almost just explicitly said that I didn't want that to be said. That's good. Because it means you're so smart. Because the dad energy is because you're so smart. You know what I mean? Like I've never met anyone that knows all this information. But there's plenty of dumb dads out there.

Isn't that like part of the charm? Yeah, but that's not dad energy. That's like baby daddy energy. You know what I mean? We want like dad. You're around. You're with the kids. Baby daddy is like a guy that doesn't –

Dips. Oh, okay. He dips. Yeah. Because I've heard that word so much and I had a notion of what it meant. I never got confirmation. You know how that sometimes happens where it's like you kind of know what a word is. Like gooning.

Gooning. Yeah. Otter. All of a sudden like that. I just feel like, yeah, the baby – because like some people aren't married and they have a baby daddy. You know what I mean? They call him like a sperm donor because he's not like active in the kid's life, you know,

even if they're like married or whatever. That's a brutal way to call him a sperm donor. I see that all the time now on TikTok. Did you know that there was a guy that got arrested in Sweden or something because he was sperm donating too much? We talked about this, didn't we? Was it – Moses was telling us.

Wait, what? Because the reason why that they don't let you – they give a limit to how much you can sperm donate is because you don't want – they don't really tell you who the father is and stuff. So if you're donating too much sperm, you quite literally are bringing up the potential of becoming the next Genghis Khan in the sense that like there are people who are going to be potentially related to each other. Yes.

We did talk about this. Yes. Maybe they don't know it that are going to be having sex. And it's all in the same town. A lot of people call that incest. Yeah. Incest is not it. It is not it.

People do not like it. Incest is canceled. Yeah. It has been canceled. As they say. We just talked about. Yeah. Incest is not it. It is not it. People do not like it. Incest is canceled. Yeah. It has been canceled. As they say. We just talked about this too. It was a hot topic. I don't know why.

Because I saw that clip on Game of Thrones and I was like, oh my God, they were like brother and sister having sex. I didn't know when I watched Game of Thrones. I didn't know they were brother and sister. I was like, damn. Why did they need to make that show? Well, they were getting up. I mean, they were doing that a lot in the medieval times.

Not saying that Game of Thrones is like historically accurate, but. It must be a little bit, right? Why would they just make that up? Oh, especially those Frost guys. Who? She didn't get that far as a Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah. Didn't they show up in the first episode?

The Frost guys? I've only watched one episode of Game of Thrones and I've never seen it. I thought the Frozen people were at the end. The blue people. The blue people that were like. Yeah, the blue people. They come at the end, I think. I watched the first season for Jason Momoa and that's all I watched.

And there was definitely no frozen people. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I get that. He gives – he's dad energy for sure. He seems smarter. He can kill some animals and feed a team.

But he is also a dad, so I guess that – Oh, right. Oh, I see what you're saying. You don't like it because you just feel like too young to be dad energy. Yeah. That – yeah. Yeah. I think I go through phases.

You know, because I think I've accepted to a certain point that i will always give this energy that i do like i'm not gonna be like cool like i'm not gonna be like like let me think of an example i think you're cool i think you're cool no no but you gotta understand like you're not david dobrik but that's so you're so in your own lane when i did the deep dive on you i was like oh my god this person's so different than anybody which is like good you know what i mean like we don't need like more david dobrik's you know what i mean they're all like whatever they're out there no offense different than anybody, which is like good. You know what I mean? Like we don't need like more David O'Briens. You know what I mean? They're all like, whatever. They're out there. No offense. I mean, I'm not like whatever shading, but you know what I mean? It's just such a different energy. Yeah. You know, he would never know

about like the foam brightnesses or anything like that or care about otters. Yeah. But we never labeled him. Yeah. Actually I didn't get a clarification on what is that if you are, if you're comfortable sharing, what does it mean to be be an otter i would say like otter is kind of like um because twink is like skinny smooth and then otter is like a little bit beefier and like a little hairier and then cub is even beefier and then bear is like old and beefy if that makes sense sense. Oh, so bear has to be like older. Yeah. Yeah. I think once like late 30s, 40s and you get to bear territory, I would say. Like Bert Kreischer would be a bear.

I don't know that, but. Okay. So if I twas to be a homosexual, what would you identify me as? I think you would almost be otter by like default because. Is that like kind of the default gay? Well, I think a lot of them are twinks twink twunk and then but yeah okay well this is this is new you didn't bring that up oh yeah that's gotta be i guess that's a subcategory a twunk is like a next step of evolution

almost like a twink it's like a little bit older between a little in between punk and twink is a twunk so so so the the twink is there. It's like Charmander, Charmander, Charizard. It goes through the infamous twink death. Yes. Oh my, you're so with it. Yeah, he's smart. He catches it quick. Yeah, and then becomes a twunk.

So is a twunk just a, so it's just a chunkier twink? A more like built. Older, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then. So what would a, if you got someone who used to be a twink i'm more like yeah yeah okay and then so what would have would have if you got someone who used to be a twink they went through twink death but they became a body builder like they're

doing straight up doing shows and stuff is that still a twunk or is that like now you're like muscle or have they jumped over categories you jump yeah then you kind of like in hunk muscle is there any sort of like larger sort of organization or board that keeps track of this like do you get a license maybe there's like a maybe there's like did you have to like apply Is there any sort of larger organization or board that keeps track of this? Do you get a license? Maybe there's a grinder board or something. Did you have to apply for this? To be gay or what? No, no, no.

I don't know. It's just kind of like one of those things where it's like Hunger Games or something. It's like you kind of are assigned your district. Definitely Hunger Games vibes. It is, yeah. I feel like, you know. He's Hunger Games or something like it's like you kind of are assigned your district or something. Your district. Definitely Hunger Games vibes. It is. Yeah. I feel like, you know. He's Hunger Games coded.

Totally. Yeah, I am. He loves Hunger Games. But I think once you're like in the apps, like once you're in Grindr and stuff or like Scruff, then you kind of get like. Scruff. Yeah. Scruff is fun.

That's a great name for a, this is a gay dating app. Yeah. That's a great name for one. It was like the alternative to Grindr for like the otters, cubs. but then a lot of twinks went over because then it became cool to like the dad bod type so it's the so so grinder is t is tinder scruff is hinge i guess maybe but now there's like a lot of crossover there's like a lot of skinny people on scruff now it became a problem for me when i was when i was like on the apps. They're infiltrated. Yeah, because then it became – like the skinny guys were getting all the bigger – like

the bigger, more built guys. And it's like, okay, well, the skinny people – you get the skinny people. Stick together. You know? Like don't come over here because then you're making it harder for me. They should have that for straight people, the people who like prefer bigger versus skinny because straight people, there's preferences. People like skinny.

Some people like big. You know what I mean? Here's a question I have about – I love how inquisitive you are about gay culture. Well, no, because I – This is how smart. I do have questions that I – and I need an answer. Because I think I've heard this before, but I wanted to hear your opinion on it about

the experience of being gay because it's like – obviously, it's like dudes. And I feel like dudes in general have like a different like perspective than women as opposed to like a woman on woman relationship or like or like a um a heterosexual relationship on grinder and dating apps and stuff is it really really hook up oh yeah because it's too bad yeah it's like all that's what i yeah because that's what i've heard so like is there like an app that's because i guess that's why i was asking about like is like grinder tinder and like scruff is hinge like is there like some sort of like gay dating app that's like meant for like the design to be deleted kind of thing kind of just hinge honestly or like even

that works too yeah you guys are allowed to be on hinge at the end of the day because those gay ones you talked about even like sniffy are like strictly hooked up sniffy sniffy is the whole dude these are crazy names is that just for what it just shows like your member is the profile picture like it just shows straight up long or your hole is your is your photo yeah it's that one up. It's just long or your hole is your photo. Yeah. It's straight. That one's wild.

It's like we're just getting down to it. Like they could literally be down the street. So like it shows how close you are. It's just all dick pics? Yeah.

Yeah. And holes. And it shows how close you guys are. So if you want to go get it in now there could be someone down the street

and their alert is on and you just go down the street and get it in. Uh huh. And then it shows like if there's like public areas that you could get it on with.

Public areas? Yeah. That are on the low that you can get it on. Like an alley? An alley. A steam room. A steam room, a bathroom. A steam room seems a little bit low.

A park. Not an alley. I guess some people do the alleys. I don't know. I was trying to understand it. No, alleys are definitely on there. Like parking garages. Yeah.

I know the best alley for this. It's kind of hot. I would never do it, but that's kind of hot, I guess. You're just so. That's the thing. I think that there's an aspect that some people like about public, like doing stuff in public. Yeah. It's a little bit, I mean, there's, you know, I hope that people aren't going around doing

that in like full on public spaces. They do. Like people having sex in general. I think they do. Oh, I think like Disneyland people have been kicked out and stuff. What? Really? Wait, what?

Yes. People like they stop to ride. It's like Haunted Mansion when they stop to ride. No way. It's usually like a handy or something, but someone's usually doing something. Oh, well, that's not that bad. That's so gross. Or Small World, right?

The only thing around you is ghosts. The ghosts don't mind. They're dead. They're canceled. They're canceled. They're canceled. They don't care. But small world, there was a guy that was naked, butt naked in small world. I mean, who hasn't thought about giving a handy on the haunted mansion?

That's true. It's dark, I guess. I thought we were talking about full frontal or bruntal. They probably wouldn't talk about it if it happened because Disney keeps things hush-hush. But I'm sure it's happened. They do. People go there all the time and they're moush-hush, but I'm sure it's happened. They do. People go there all the time.

I'm like, Molly, and they're rolling. I'm sure that's happened for sure. Oh, one of my favorite things of all time is to go to an amusement park and get just the proper amount of tipsy. Oh, yeah. You guys thought I was going somewhere worse. I thought you were doing like, yeah. Poppers or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Poppers? Have you done poppers? I have tried them. Wait, what? What? That's so gay coded because that's only in West Hollywood. I was like in the acapella community in college. Of course I've tried poppers.

And everyone was doing poppers in the acapella group? No, I was just shown them at a party by a friend of mine. It's supposed to relax your butthole. That's what I've heard as well, yes. And that's why you did them or what? No, I was at a party by a friend of mine. It's supposed to relax your butthole. That's what I've heard as well, yes. And that's why you did them or what? No, I was at a party. I wasn't – But why did you do it?

It wasn't that kind of party. Because it's only for a minute or two. Well, yeah, because it was just like you want to try this? It's just like it just makes you feel like tingly or whatnot. Oh, I've never heard anybody do that. I remember it being very interesting. It was like – it's one of those things though where I feel like if you did that all the time, I would worry about does it damage your internals of your nostrils?

What does it do to your brain and stuff too? I think it's the blood. It slows down the flow of blood or something? Because the way it works is it makes the blood vessels in your constrict, right? Yeah. So it just slows everything down, I think. I haven't really been into it. Have you ever tried poppers before? No, I definitely have, but I think it's just like a minute.

They're also like a – I feel like nowadays too, it's a general party drug. I feel like I've heard of it. Really? I don't know. days too it's uh a general party drug i feel like it like i've heard really you know i've heard i've heard of people who like i heard of someone who uh had tried to like at a bar someone was just walking around with poppers at a bar yeah no it's left the gay sphere yeah maybe because choice of on because his song is about poppers yeah yeah What song? I feel the rush, addicted to your touch. Because Rush is a brand of poppers, that yellow bottle. So I think everyone, like Troye Sivan made poppers like cool maybe.

Maybe. Went to mainstream with them. Yeah. Oh, maybe. The acapella kids know what's up. They're like, here's some poppers. Well, the person who showed it was also gay. Oh, okay.

Well, there you go. That's what it is. Well, the implication was that there's probably, that there are a lot of – like in the same way that musical theaters are a lot of gay people that are involved in – In acapella? Yeah. Yeah. Because Perfect makes it seem like they're all straight.

There was no gays in acapella really. And I was just like, why did they make them all straight in that movie? Oh, there are gays in acapella. Well, I mean that makes sense. But it's just like – In Glee there were – there was like only two gays I think. Which is crazy because I'm like – Glee comes in mostly gay. I think that Glee was like one of those things where it was in the midst.

Like, Glee was happening before like even the Supreme Court like thing, too. Like, we were in like the early 2000s. Yeah. I think it was still in the moment of like. Legalization of. Yeah, the legalization of poppers. Of what? Like gay mayhorses.

Oh, poppers. Oh, okay. I was like, what are we? No, it was a landmark thing. It was like poppers are allowed now. Were you into Glee? Did you ever think of yourself as being on it? No, I wasn't into Glee,

and I've seen clips recently, and I'm like, man, I don't think I could be into it. Problematic. Oh, no, if they rebooted Glee, you would fit as like the fan. I feel like they need a reboot. I could get into it maybe if they rebooted it, because've seen clips of it and I'm like this shit looks – It didn't age well.

This shit looks so fucking lame. It was so good. This shit looks so fucking lame. Oh, man. See, that's what – you're like – it's so weird because you are like a theater creative type but you don't like like the glee and stuff of it all. Like that's what's cool. That's like, yeah. You know what I mean?

Like you just are too cool for it. And it's like, oh, that gives you like athlete vibes. That gives you jock vibes. That gives you like masculine energy vibes. Well, I did do some sports and stuff. Oh, you did? In high school. Yeah, I did.

Well, I wasn't on like the straight up like school teams, but I did like intramural basketball and stuff. And I used to do like travel basketball in like middle school and stuff. Oh, that's very fin coded. I did a little bit of football when I was like much younger. I did like Pop Warner football, which is like kids football or whatnot, but I didn't like it.

I didn't, which was a bummer, because my dad is like, he likes football. I like, he's, one of his side things that he does besides his normal job is he works as a football ref. Oh my God. Wow. Did you get into watching it with him? More so into baseball with my dad because we both would go to

Red Sox games when I was growing up. Oh, okay. So you're still into sports? Yeah. I would say so. I don't get sports either. Well, okay. Sports and science. I'm into going to the games. I'll go to, because my dad's just like, he's a season ticket holder for the Red Sox.

So I would go to, well, it's actually not as intense as you sound. That's like every game. Well, no, because what he'll do is like it's however much money, like maybe 3K or something per year. But what he would do is he'd get all the tickets in bulk, all the physical tickets, and then he is like the guy in the town and he goes around and it's like, okay, you want this game on this date? Okay, here's the, like he'll sell the tickets.

So like he gets to have these established seats, but then like he only really pays for the ones that he wants to go to because he's selling the rest of them. Oh, that's so smart. He's like you. He's like a smart businessman. And then there's cool things that you get as a season ticket holder when you're like popcorn or something. Ooh, and a hat.

No, it's more like they do like little events for season ticket holders like before or after the season. Like there was this one time that we got to – my dad took me to somewhere. We got to go like walk on the field or something like that at like the end of the season or something like that. And then also they'll do like auctions off of like parts of the stadium, like of, of the park. So like when they were replacing the bleacher seats for Fenway Park, they were selling the bleacher seats. So my, so at my, in my hometown, at my parents' house, there's three bleacher seats from Fenway Park. Oh, that's cool. That's actually really cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty dope. He hasn't, he hasn't put them anywhere really. They're

kind of just like sitting on the, on the patio. But I really, that's pretty dope. He hasn't put them anywhere, really. They're kind of just sitting on the patio, but at some point, if I get a house or something like that, I would really want to get them all so I could have a piece of that out here. That'd be so cool. Yeah, isn't that neat? It's also very Legally Blonde-coded. They got the home base from Fenway Park and got married, her and Emmett. Do you remember that? At the end of Legally Blonde 2?

Oh, I haven't seen the sequels, I don't think. Oh, yeah. They got it from Fenway Park. I don't know why. That was so weird. She's like, he loves it. And so they got the home base, got married. Right.

Well, yeah. She was going to Harvard. Yeah. Oh, that's true. That's very Boston code. It's very U code. Is your dad like, what's he do? He sounds very bougie.

What's he do? He has season tickets. Well, honestly, my parents didn't do anything super crazy. He's like a project manager for a software anything like super crazy he's like a project manager for like a software company so you're not like a nepo baby or anything it sounds like it would be right you know yeah no i mean i i wasn't yeah i don't i don't think i was i mean yeah they're not they're not youtubers they're not in film or anything like that which is crazy because you do film you do youtube but you're not really awesome if they were it would have been a little

bit easier to kind of figure my shit out. But you don't... That's why I'm just confused and not trying to get too personal, but it's like you make money, but you only post like, what, was it nine videos a year or something like that? Last year I only posted five videos, which was really bad. How are you making money?

The podcast, I guess. Well, the podcast is on a recurring basis. Is that weekly? I mean, to be honest, Trish, let's be honest. Just whenever you feel like it. recurring basis. Is that weekly? I mean, to be honest. Trish, let's be honest. Just whenever you feel like it. You're probably making loads more than I am at this point. No, you're bougie. You're bougie for sure. I've looked it up.

I'm making enough, I think. I'm making a good amount of money, I feel like. Oh, you stream too, right? Not really. I've been streaming a lot recently, but usually I don't stream. It's mostly just the YouTube videos and the podcast. Wow. I'm trying to figure out.

Well, where else am I? Damn. But you do sponsors sometimes, right? Oh, yeah. Well, I do sponsors. So it's like sponsors pay well, and then there's also the ad revenue on a video like a Margaritaville or the Barbie video that I did. Oh, yeah. ad revenue on like a video like a Margaritaville or the Barbie video that I did is like because

they're so long and the way that like the YouTube like ad revenue stuff works, it's like it's going to have a pay a higher like rate. So it's like it ends up being kind of worth it if you want to go that route of like doing these really in-depth videos that are long because they do end up kind of paying better and they also do very good in terms of views. But they're kind of risky because then it's like you have to be really sure of the idea that you're because they do end up kind of paying better and they also do very good in terms of views. But they're kind of risky because then it's like you have to be really sure of the idea that you're going to do.

What do you mean? Like that people are going to like it? That it's going to do well and like in general and the algorithm and stuff. The Barbie one is like crazy. Well, I guess because Barbie was such a trend. I had a feeling Barbie was going to do well. But you watched all the old Barbie movies too. It wasn't even like the new.

It was like you're like going into like the Swan Princess and stuff, like all the crazy ones. Oh, yeah. I started from the beginning and all the way into the – Did you actually do it? Yes. You all sat through and watched the full length of all of them. Yeah. No.

That's why I had like a – I had footage for each – in between each one of me visibly like clicking and watching and like purchasing each one. Like I – yeah. And you did it by yourself? I did a time lapse on GoPro behind me too of like watching everyone. But they were – like the footage was like glitchy and like laggy for some reason. So I didn't use it that much in the video. Oh, my God.

But I did in case people would – Question it. Yeah, question it. I did take – I've got them. I still got that. How long did it take you? It took me six days to watch them all. But it would have taken five normally. But I fell asleep on the second to last day.

It doesn't count if I fall asleep. Well, yeah. So I had to – like whatever movie I was watching, I had to finish watching that next day. So it was like I fell asleep on the couch and I woke up and I was like, oh, fuck. Wow. So I like watched like the last three on like the final day. You're dedicated. What was the conclusion?

What did you come to? The conclusion? Yeah. That has to be a good name. So Barbie is a genetically modified clone that operates in a larger decentralized hive mind to achieve a goal across thousands, potentially millions of years. Oh. Team.

Wow, that was so smart. Did you follow it? Or was that just made up words? I feel like you literally just made up words. Barbie's a clone. She's a clone. And all of her sisters are younger clones. And each Barbie operates in a little, like each of them are like a fire squad and they're spread across the globe or wherever.

And you've got the head Barbie, which is named Barbie. And then you've got her younger sister Skipper. Then you've got Stacey. Then you've got Chelsea or Kelly, rest in peace. She died? Or just canceled? I think she's dead. Okay.

I didn't know about her. Well, if you knew about her, you'd be concerned when you found out how she disappeared without any warning. And my theory is that, you know, you've got that lead clone and they're training all the other clones on how to be a Barbie. But they just take on different roles as they get to each age and they pretend to be just a group of sisters. But I think it's something much more nefarious. I think if you, did you watch the new Barbie movie? I think it has a whole different perspective.

I think these old ones are just outdated. Well. You didn't watch the new one? I did. Okay. And it kind of threw everything I learned into a wrench. Right. A little wrench and things.

The opposite. But then I had a lot of people in my comments saying, well, actually, it is what you thought, Ted, because it's a group of people all named Barbie. Well, no, they have different names. There's like Midge and there's like, you know, there's different names. In the movie. Yeah, there's Midge, Barbie's best friend from the 50s. You know, but no, the purpose of the video

the initial goal was like I'm the because I did the challenge in May of last year. Oh before the movie. Before the movie came out so I was like this movie's coming out I'm gonna I would look like an idiot if I walked there without knowing all the Barbie lore. You wanted yeah. Like I

would be laughed at out of the theater. Wow you did your research. So I'm gonna watch every Barbie movie ever made in order to get up to date on the lore. Wow. And so that's what I did. It took me almost a year to finish the video because it was such a fucking monster. Wait, to edit? Yeah.

I mean, it was one of those things where I was working on the video and, you know, the Barbie movie came out and I was like, okay, it video and the bar movie came out and I was like, okay, it's fine because it just came out. It'll be no problem. But then the writers in Sag Strike happened and I don't know if you were aware of this, but at least Sag put out a little blast

to influencers that was like, hey, you can talk about movies and stuff if you want but if you do take any sponsorships or talk about movies that would be struck works paid or not then you will never be admitted to sag i'm not necessarily trying to get into sag but like i don't want to close that door so i was like okay i gotta put a you know hold on on the Barbie thing until the strikes are over, which they ended whenever they did. And then I was kind of like just in a period where I was like trying to get the gears moving on it and it just took a while.

But then once I did, I like slammed through it and then. Released it. How long did it take you to edit it? Oh man, like maybe 200 hours of editing at least. Like it was an hour and 48 minute long video, you know? How many ads are you putting in like every like five minutes? We do on ours. We're like every – that's why we go three hours.

To be honest, do you guys do it manually? Yeah, Moses puts it in. You do? I usually just kind of let YouTube put in whatever they think they should put in. I haven't actually – I do the same thing with a podcast. Should I be doing – Yes. It changed our whole monetization.

Like you guys started making more cash? Oh, yeah. I didn't know about this. I've done YouTube 17 years. I never once put ads in a video. I had no idea how it worked. I like monetized it, but I didn't know who I used to put ads. Please tell Ted what your idea of editing is though.

Oh, well, I don't edit. Like your notion of what it means? I know what it – I don't edit. I don't know how to edit. My editing is this. Okay, right? Because he's – Oscar's our editor because I don't know how to edit and 17 years of doing YouTube

I've never edited a video but I do splice pieces together right I put the clips together yes so when we're like filming a video right like let's say I burp or something like that

I just start and stop so I know to like cut at that point and then pick up at that point do you know what I mean that way you don't have to edit it just like it stops okay anything is with the camera

yeah you just start and stop it so that's why when I'm like when I say edit this out I'm like will you know if I don't start and stop it? Like I would never watch myself back. Like that's crazy. For the podcast? Like you stop speaking and then you start speaking again? Or like her own like channel.

Like my mukbangs. Or like you're stopping and starting the camera. Like for if I'm doing an eating video, I start and stop the camera. Oh, so there's like – is there just like hundreds of clips for each? Yeah. I did one today. It's like a minute each. But you still need to cut the tail end of the clip that you stop. That's my editing. I split the clip and I can delete the end of it. Could you imagine watching yourself back after you just filmed the video? Like I would never do that. That's what everyone does. Never, never did it in my life. I never would. So you don't

watch your own videos? Never. That sounds horrible. Even to have to redo something, like the audio's out for 10 minutes. It's like, I'm like, absolutely not. I can't redo. I don't want to watch it. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to redo it. Interesting. Like you spend two hours, a hundred hours watching yourself. Like crazy. Yeah. I used to, I mean, it used to be weird at first. Like when you first start doing it, it's like, oh, you don't really want to hear it. Because I think that when people, a lot of the time people don't – honestly, nowadays

I don't think it's actually much of a thing. Back when it was just the VHS camera and stuff like that, people thought the sound of their voices was weird. But now everyone's filming themselves and everyone's – I still don't want to hear myself talk at all. But I don't know. I've gotten used to it. Yeah, no.

I very much spend a lot of time editing myself. Well, that's good you get all those views then because it would suck if you got like 40,000 and you spent that time, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That would suck. Your views are wild. Even your old ones, your Fiverr ones were getting like a million views. And if you only had like-

Really? Yeah. I was looking at them like they were getting views. Damn. What made you even want to become a YouTuber? You went to college, you're bougie, and then you're like, oh, I want to go become a YouTuber. Wait, what aspect of me is bougie? You went to private college, you're an acapella singer. Your dad has been wearing hard seats in his house.

Yeah, yeah. So I got to talk about the private college thing. There's two – it's not like the same thing as like – I think the angle that you're coming at this from mentally is that it's like the same thing as like being going to a private school like a high school. Yeah, that is kind of. But it's not like the same thing. There's just two types of colleges that you can go to.

You can either go to a public college like a public university or you can go to a private university. But in both of those scenarios, you got to pay. More. You can either go to a public college, like a public university, or you can go to a private university. But in both of those scenarios, you got to pay. More. You probably pay more for private. Yeah, for sure. University of San Diego is private, and it's so expensive. Yeah, but USC is like fucking-

That's true. USC is really expensive. Like $70,000 a year, you know? Oh, my God. That's crazy. See, who has that money? I think if you go to college, you're just bullshit. Well, no one has that money.

That's why everyone gets loans. Did you get a loan? I did, yeah. Okay, well. Then maybe. Okay, well, it's still bougie. I still think to get a loan is bougie. Everything's bougie about it.

But I couldn't get a loan to save my life or anything. I've never had a loan. Yeah. But anyways, so why did you become a YouTuber? What's your credit score? Oh, it's better now. It's like 700. It used to always be like 400.

Like when I met him, it was like 480. I feel like that's more why you didn't get a one. Oh, for sure that, yeah. When I was 18, I used to take out credit cards and never pay them, and then that was it. You know what I mean? See, that's wild. Well, that's just terrifying for me because

that was like, when I was growing up, my parents were like, never get a credit card. You will die. Because I've got like ADHD and stuff, and like my parents were like, never get a credit card. You will die. Because I've got ADHD and stuff. And my parents raising me, the way I was, they definitely thought I was going to try to buy a boat if I got a credit card. They were like, this kid is going to be $100,000 in debt at 18 and a half. So I didn't have a – No credit cards. I didn't have a credit card until I moved – I didn't have a credit card until 2020.

Wow. Until I moved out here to LA. Like I was rocking the debit card the whole – That's the way to go. I've only had a debit card since I was 18 now because I – Yeah, and I forget to use my credit card because it's scary and like – So scary. Because I'm like I forget to pay it, you know?

That's terrifying to me. So like I'll – but I've been trying to use it more because apparently it builds credit. But basically what I do is like I'll buy something and then the moment that like – and then I'll like whenever the price shows up, I'll just pay it off immediately. So it's like basically like a debit card. I wish there was a credit card that just pays it off automatically. Well, it's debit, right? Yeah, but then it's like – but then you want to build your credit because I guess if you use it,

it's like about usage if you use it a lot. Right, that's true. I don't fully understand it either. It's one of those things where there's a lot of credit card whizzes out there that are like, okay, you've got to get this. Discover Platinum Deluxe Cum card where you'll get triple the points on flights

and, you know. My boyfriend is like that. He loves his credit score. He, like, is obsessed with it. Yeah. Moses, too. He had, like, a perfect credit score when I met him. You got perfect credit score? I had. He got married to me. So, you know what happens? Don't marry someone who has bad credit. We found this out. We did a joint

account and his credit score oh that must have fucking sucked oh my god it really sucked no it's like a sore spot for him for sure are you working it back up

or are you like almost it doesn't matter I didn't even get a loan for this house what do we have to do we had to do one based on my income

because I couldn't get a regular loan and they're like well show us you make money. And I was like, all right. You've been around for a while. Yeah. 17 years. Not from an age perspective, from like a perspective of like, I recently saw something where it was like you were in an Eminem music video. Oh yeah. 2009. You probably were still in high school in that 2009. In 2009, I was 11. That's crazy. Cause that seems like, yes, that's crazy. That's actually, I was 11. Oh, my God.

That's crazy because that seems like yesterday. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. I know. I feel young and hip, and then I hear that stuff, and I'm like, oh, my God, yeah. How old were you when you shot that music video? 21. That's not – okay. Well, that's not that bad.

But that seems like yesterday. Must have been. How was it being 21 in 2009? What was it like? Oh, it was – it's so different now. I feel like you can tell. Because that was like – That must have meant that Kesha was playing in all the bars

and stuff, too. Well, I never went to bars, but... That must have been crazy. It was crazy. I blacked out those years, like 2006 to 2010. I always say this. I missed everything, like Twilight, Justin Bieber. I don't know. I was... You missed Twilight? I missed Twilight. That seems like something that would be right up your alley. Well, now I love it.

Yeah, I'm catching up. You know what I mean? I was just blacked out for like five years of my life. I don't, you probably don't know my past, but like I was like a stripper. I was on Hollywood Boulevard, you know, just doing drugs till like 3am. Just like passed out all the time. So I just like missed that part of my life. You know what I mean? So how did you end up on the pathway to where you are today from the stripper Hollywood Boulevard? Esquire. Yeah. I actually was a stripper in a Shane Dawson video. He hired me to be. Interesting.

Yeah. In 2011, I think, or 2010, I think. So he put out like what, a blast on like backstage or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. Was it actually backstage? It was LA Casting.

Oh. Yeah. So it was LA Casting. And like a lot of my stripper friends were like, oh, there's this, I didn't know who he was. I had YouTube, but I didn't monetize it. And I saw his house and it was like so bougie and big. And he was my age. And I was like, oh my God, how do you like a four? He was paying us like so much money, like $500 for like an hour.

And I was like, wow, this is amazing. He had a credit score of 650. You were like bougie. You were like bougie. Oh my God. The credit score is so hot. When he said he had that, I was like, oh, he's going to get us our house. It's great. But then marrying me, it just got, anyways, that's the whole thing. But then I met Shane. Yeah, we got the house, thank God. But poor credit scores. So yeah, then I met Shane and he was got the house thank god but poor credit scores um so yeah then i met shane and he was just telling me he was like a youtuber and i was making youtube but i didn't know he could like monetize it and so i just started yeah i collabed with him a lot and then um kind of just did it full time and i was making more money doing that than like escorting you

know what i mean so i was like oh yeah yeah it must have been and i imagine it must have been like i feel like escorting that like you must run into like people like – or who are like annoying and shit. And like when you're doing YouTube, it's like you're kind of working for yourself. Like I feel like – Oh, I don't know. YouTube is like a lot – a lot of times it's like preferential to a lot of things because it's like you're working for yourself, you know?

But in 2012 YouTube, so many annoying YouTubers. I think I'd rather be escorting. You know what I mean? It was the year of the the collab so you're collabing with people like when i released my first youtube video in 2011 and back then it was like it wasn't like cool to be a youtuber in 2011 no you weren't into like smosh and stuff because they were no i knew of like but like in terms of i gotta i'm speaking from the perspective in terms of like like back then stuff because they were going full on. Well, no, I knew of like – but like in terms of – I'm speaking from the perspective in terms of like back then like if you were trying to make YouTube videos as a kid, you know, you don't want people to know that you're trying to make YouTube videos or

be a YouTuber because it – you know, I feel like nowadays it's like, oh, so-and-so is a TikToker now because they had something – they had like one video of them ranting blow up on TikTok. Right, yeah. Like there's so much more accessibility to that to enter as a content creator or somehow build something. Whereas back then I had to like learn how to edit on Sony Vegas. I was like making like gaming videos and stuff.

Oh my gosh. But yeah, no, I didn't tell anyone that I was like making YouTube videos and like nobody like really knew about that. Really? Wait, so why were you doing it? Were you trying to like make money? Because I liked it. I wanted to do it, I think. I think I had just seen YouTubers doing it and I was like, this is a cool thing and I like video games and I want to do that. And then I, you know, later on got into like watching commentary and stuff. And for a while I wasn't sure if I could

do it because I wasn't sure if I was confident enough in my own like comedic writing skills or whatnot. But then I just started trying it out and then eventually it started working out it was it wasn't really until I started meeting people online who were also youtubers that were also doing pretty decently that I started to kind of get encouraged to do it because it was like I was making like one video every like five months when I had like 4,000 subscribers like for several years and then it wasn't until like 2018 halfway through 2018 I actually started to try. Wow. That's all

recent. Who was it that you met that you're like oh this is like a possibility this is something I could do for my career? It was the group of people that I was in the YouTube group Lunch Club with. Lunch Club? What is that? So it was like it is now shut, but it was me, Schlatt, Carson, Cooper, Noah, Travis. Wow, so many bros.

It's like a fraternity. Yeah, no, it was a whole group thing. But I met all those guys through that and through the streaming stuff. And it was through that that I was like, oh, this is like something I could probably do. And yeah. That's amazing. So you had the click then. And you're in a cool click now.

Like you really are in that click again. Like we talked about Cutie Cinderella, Hasan, Pokimane's coming on. Like all that stuff. It was because I like came from like all the people that I knew when I was coming up, even though I was making commentary videos, were gaming streaming people. So it's funny. I feel like I'm always in this weird scenario where it's like – and they kind of cross

over anyways in terms of like YouTube clicks. I feel like the gaming and commentary spaces cross over a little bit. But I was just in this position where it was like I just knew a bunch of people in the commentary space and then I know a bunch of people in the gaming space, like in the streamer space and stuff, which is cool because I like all those people and stuff. And no, you're so cool. That's what I'm saying, you are the cool kid. Like you definitely are in the cool group.

You're the cool kid. Like there's no one cooler. Am I in the cool group? Would you say I'm in the cool group, Austin? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We've been trying to get all of them. Wait a second, Otter is alliterative.

You're Oscar the Otter. He is Oscar the Otter. That's fun. I had to say, it was gonna leave my mind if I didn't bring it up. I'm glad you did. You're Ted the Turtle. He is Oscar the Otter. That's fun. I had to say it was going to leave my mind if I didn't bring it up. I'm glad you did. You're Ted the Turtle.

That's your alliteration. That seems like it wouldn't be a good type of gay to be, though. That seems like it would be. Yeah. Yeah. Because then it feels like you're talking about a scared meat gay that looks like Mitch McConnell. I don't know who that is. You don't know who Mitch McConnell is?

Are you surprised by that? No. Is it a political person? Yeah. No. He's old, too. He's real. No idea.

He's old and he looks exactly like a turtle. Yeah. Have you seen Mitch McConnell? He looks like a turtle, doesn't he? Wait a minute. I think I'm a turtle. And I don't even feel bad. I'm going to say that live.

You're alive. Yeah. Turtles are cute. Because it's Mitch McConnell. Yeah. I don't care about hurting Mitch McConnell's feelings. Oh my, that's what he, okay.

You said you don't want anyone to have bad blood with you and now you're like calling him out. I can have bad blood with Mitch McConnell. I don't think that I'm going to have a problem with that. It's Mitch McConnell. He might see this the way you saw clips of it. Mitch McConnell isn't even, I don't even think he's seeing at all right now. Is he at all? I don't know. He did a thing at one point where he was like doing a

speech and he like, he shut down like an android. Like he froze. Oh, I saw that on TikTok. Yeah, so you had some. Or he's like. Yeah, he looks like a turtle. Yeah, he's a turtle. But that's not a bad thing. Turtles are fine. They're cute. They're whatever. Yeah, when you're a human and you look like a turtle, it's a bad thing because you're supposed to look like a human. I don't know. He does look like a turtle, though. But that's cool.

I don't know. When humans look like animals, that's pretty cool. Yeah, so that's why I think that if there was a type of gay called a turtle, then that feels almost like a – are there any sort of insult categories? What kind of categories? The more femme ones, I guess, are kind of insulting. Like, I guess. I don't know.

Oh, my gosh. Are you going to bleep it? Isn't that just a slur? It feels like that's just a slur. I don't think it's a category. It's kind of like a more mannerism thing. Like if you're faggoty, if you want to use like an adjective or like adverb, I guess. Okay.

That's kind of more like insult-y. But like is there a group there? What does it mean to be that word that I won't say? Actually, twink is a little – twink can be used like in a defamatory way. tea but like is there a group what does it mean to be that word that i won't say actually you know twink is a little twink can be used like in a defamatory way depending on context but yeah i feel like if you're a gay turtle though it's like you're just you're like uncircumcised you know what i mean because it just covers itself back into its shell that could be you know it pokes out we were the number two podcast on Grindr. So maybe our impact will- They have podcasts on Grindr?

It was like the Grindr Awards. We were number two. The people who used Grindr voted that we're number two podcast. It's a big deal to be here in town. They're going to love you on Grindr. That's so interesting. Oh, yeah. So wait, what's your guys' demographic in general?

That's a good question. A lot of gays? A lot of gays and girls, I think. The gays and the girlies. It's a lot of girls and the 10% boys are gay. Like on YouTube, like what's the, like, is it like in terms of like, you know, the male, female, and then you just specify. It's 90% female.

It doesn't say straight or gay. I would love to know the sexuality. They should ask that. I know. It's definitely all gay. There's not one. If a straight guy comes up to me, I'm like, absolutely not. Like, I'm not talking to you ever because they don't know.

Even if I was, even if I saw you in the street and I was like, Trisha, hey. Absolutely not. I'd be like, no.

You'd be like, get the fuck out of here. I was like, I thought we had a good time on the podcast. Oh, you, yes,

you have been. That's what I was saying. Okay, I just said you meant in general if I saw you. Yeah, no, after you walk out that door,

Ted, I'm never speaking to you again. We will never cross paths. We were just talking about how it's opposite. I know, I mean, I had to drive like a fucking hour

to get here. Oh, thank you for, I know it is so far. I'm like, did you tell them how far it is because it is like so were just talking about how it's opposite. I had to drive like a fucking hour to get here. I know it is so far. I'm like, did you tell them how far it is? Because it is like so far. It wasn't a bad drive. I mean, it was a little moment of traffic as it's fucking LA, so I'm in, you know. Are you a Tesla driver? I'm not. I drive a 2002 Toyota Tacoma. There's a whole bit

that my co-host does, Schlatt, where he will, he claims, he claims that I have a, he calls it a basketball football-sized hole in the passenger side of my truck, which I just don't. Like he just lied at one point and now everyone is like – will always say like, oh, you get that – where's that basketball-sized hole? Why did he just lie? I love a liar, but why did he just do that out of nowhere? We love liars. Because it's fun.

For sure. You know, it's fun to lie. I love Schlatt. We should get him on here if he's a liar. I love people who just lie for no reason. He doesn't – you know, he doesn't travel. Okay, no Schlatt for that. I just love the name.

What is that? Is that Jewish? You know? Well, it's his username. You know, that's what he goes by. His name's Schlatt? For real? That's his username.

That's what it is. Oh, but you know people – Like he goes by Jay Schlatt online. But that's not his name. That sounds like a name, like Jay Shetty. His name is not public information. Oh, got it. Yours is, though, which is crazy. I looked you up to put you on the gate. I'm first and last, baby. I love it.

You were not scared to put it out there. Yeah, because it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know. And you're on LinkedIn and everything. I am on LinkedIn, yeah. I had to make that for college and I just never got rid of it. And then I started – I kept updating it. I love that. I kept updating it because I had like my YouTube as like one of my jobs.

And then I – it would always – the subscriber count, I would say that as like the piece. I would be like, running a YouTube channel that is amassed over this many subscribers. I love saying that. I love amassed and then amassed. Amassed is a great word. Wow, you guys are so... Your intellectual side is coming out. Because he is smart. He also graduated and has a journalist degree.

Where'd you graduate from? Cal State Northridge. So around here in the valley. So why is that a problem? Because it's not like one that most people would know. It's not like a UCLA or like, you know, you say Cal State Northridge, no one really knows. It's cool though. The school I went to, Ithaca, was like, in terms of film schools, was like maybe the

– it wasn't like in the top ten film schools. It sounds fancy, though. It sounds so fancy. That's just the name of the town. What was it? Ithaca? Ithaca. Ithaca.

Is it with an E? It's with an – it's I-T-H-A-C-A. It might sound fancy because it's in this – it's a college town, so it's the same town that Cornell is in. Andy Bernard. He went there. Andy Bernard. From The Office. He was in Acapella Group.

He was in Acapella as well, yeah. And Sweeney Todd. Maybe it's Emerson, I'm thinking. A lot of people go to Emerson from Boston, right? Yeah, that's in Boston, yeah. Okay, that's what I'm thinking. I think I got waitlisted there. Wow, really?

Were you trying to direct? What were you trying to do in film school? I was trying to direct. I think, well, I was waitlisted there. Wow, really? Were you trying to direct? What were you trying to do in film school? I was trying to direct. I think, well, I was figuring it out. I wasn't sure if I wanted to be in the camera department or like, I knew I wanted to make films, but I was like kind of figuring out if it was camera department or directing. Because directing is a weird one because it's kind of vague on like, how do you become a director, you know?

Yeah, you gotta like start somewhere. Yeah, exactly. So for a while when i was in school i would i worked at the like camera checkout like thing like they had cameras the school had cameras that students could check out so i worked at the camera checkout stuff so i would like check equipment and stuff and then i did in like 2018 i did an internship out here in la where i worked at like a camera like a cinema camera house or what was it called? Like a fucking, you guys aren't gonna know this.

I know. It sounds cool. Yeah, it's just where I would like, you know, help build camera setups and stuff. And yeah, I would just work with equipment and all that. But you never worked on a set or anything? Like a, you did music videos? Like recently or in school?

In school. Yeah, no, like I worked on, because did music videos? Like recently or in school? In school. Yeah, no. Like I worked on – because that's how you get experience. Like you would work on your friend's sets and a lot of like the actual learning process, at least in film school, other than like the theory stuff you would learn in classes and like the information you'd learn from like professors and stuff. I felt like a lot you learned like just out and actually working on sets and stuff. Have we met before? Hmm? Why do I seem familiar? Not that you're saying all this.

Like, have we met? I feel like we have. We met right now, but I'm saying before this. Like when? What are you talking about? Like on a music video or something. Have we ever met? I feel like you look so familiar. Not that you're saying all this. I'm like, wait, were you unloading and offloading the cameras on my music video? No, no.

I wasn't straight up. I never got to the point where I was straight up. Like, when I graduated, I was already a YouTuber. You weren't doing it after. Oh, okay. So, like. You look like all those people. Not all those people.

I kind of look like every white guy, though, is the thing. You do look like a lot. I look like the most normal white dude that, like. That was weird. I had, like, deja vu for a minute. That's something Hasan will always tell me. He'll always be like, You look like you're just like Some white guy that goes to Harvard

Definitely that Like it looks like I should be wearing Like if you saw me In like Sperry's and all nautical Yeah Fucking vineyard vines and all that You'd be like

I'm not surprised Yeah Because in high school I did used to wear that kind of Did you wear vineyard vines? It's everything. Yeah. With the whale on it.

Yeah. That's where my family would occasionally vacation every couple years. Really? We'd like rent a house for like a week in Martha's Vineyard. Oh my – And we'd go to – Booze. That's what I'm saying.

Your nepo baby vibes because I'm like what? Well, okay. Who vacations there? You know, I grew up – I would say I grew up – Middle class. Yeah. Upper middle. Well, I would say mid-middle class.

I wouldn't say upper middle because upper middle is like McMansions, I feel like. You weren't in a McMansion. Yeah. No. It was like a three-bedroom house. We had a basement, which was cool. It was half finished, though. One side was finished.

That was where the hangout zone is. And the other side was like the laundry area. It's scary. Where it was like where my dad had his workshop and like it's still like that. I still – my parents are still in the house I grew up in. Wow. Which is cool because I get to go back there.

But in Massachusetts, it's like when it comes to like if you're trying to vacation, a lot of families will go to like the Cape, the Cape Cod. And then some families go to Martha's Vineyard. Like we – I'll tell you what would be really bougie if my family had a to Martha's Vineyard. I'll tell you what would be really bougie if my family had a house on the vineyard. Oh, yeah. Because they are prohibitively expensive. They're like, we're talking fucking $10 million.

Oh, my God. Really? There's like $10, $15 million houses there. I would say the floor for a house on the vineyard for a one-bedroom shack is like a million dollars. That's wild. That's not worth it at all. That's wild. That's like not worth it at all. That's crazy. That's one of my goals though.

Oh. To have a shack there? That's one of my manifests. Yeah. Why'd you get it? That's, well, I really want to do a thing where, like if I were to accrue a lot of wealth, I would want to get a large house on the vineyard that could be because when I was growing up one of

the things that my grandmother would do is she was like she's kind of badass for this she you know gold generation they obviously made a shit ton of money you know peak American time to make money right so they had they so she had money to spend but she wasn't like about having like a whole inheritance thing. So she would do a thing where she had these whole family reunion things every couple years or something like that where she'd get a whole big house that has a bunch of rooms. And then the whole family stays in those for like a week, like I'm like, I don't know, in the Out outer banks or something in North Carolina or like on the Jersey Shore. So her whole thing was like I'm going to spend all this money before I die because like might as well. Right.

Yeah. I don't I don't I don't I don't get the whole like building in a state like trust to move on to the next family. Like I don't got that much. Well I guess she has a house. I want to have fun. I want to have fun while I'm here. Well someone will look at the house.

You can't take it with you. I agree. I agree with that. Yeah. Spend it all. I don't know what's coming next. I might as well spend my cash. Run that credit score down.

All the way. All the way down to zero. You build it up and then you bring it back down. Yeah. No, there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. And get a bunch of loans too that don't disappear when you die too. Give your kids a bunch of calls from collections.

You have to be like, this person is dead. They can't pay. They can't solve. And they still call people even after you're dead. Yeah, they do. I was reading about that. It's wild. I was like, that's insane.

But the manifesting is that I would really want to be able to buy a house on the venue that has like a bunch of spots that like for my larger extended family, like they could – I don't know. Maybe in some off months I could try to rent it or something so it's not like crazy. But I don't know. Just a place that like the fam can all meet up and vacation, especially because I live across the country now like from where most of my family lives. That's so Emmett Codd coded of you from Legally Blonde. Do you remember the song, Chip on Your Shoulder?

He's like, and I'm going to buy my mom that big, great house out on the beach. Got a chip on my shoulder. And it's big as a boulder. With a chance I've been given, I'm going to be driven as hell. I'm so close I can taste it. So I'm not going to waste it. Yeah, there's a chip on my shoulder. You might want to get one as well.

Wow, thank you. I was stumbling through that. That was so exciting. I love that you know that and you weren't even Emmett. You just know the song. Oh, because like when you hear it a f***ing thousand times when you're doing the musical. I love it. Yeah, and he talks about buying a house on the creek. So it's kind of Emmett vibes.

Yeah. So you're a good encyclopedia of like, of theater knowledge. Oh, yeah. Musical theater. Absolutely. Did you see the, have you seen Beetlejuice? Because it's in town right now. We were just there opening night on Tuesday. We were just there.

How was it? Was it good? Well, I've seen it a thousand times. My friend Charlie went to go see it. Charlie. Who's Charlie? Charlie Symsicle. Is it an influencer?

Yeah. Was he at the influencer event? I went to go see it. Charlie. Who's Charlie? Charlie Slimesicle. Is it an influencer? Yeah. Was he at the influencer event? I don't think he was. Okay. There was an influencer event that Cypress Storm invited everyone. He went on the 17th. So yesterday. Oh, he went after.

The 16th was the opening night. Oh, really? Yeah. Tuesday. We went backstage. It was a whole. They DM'd you actually trying to get a hold of me. They DM'd me?

Yeah. One of the cast members was trying to DM Oscar. I wish I had these fucking Beetlejuice people talking to me about this. Have you seen it? No, I haven't. That's why I would want to see it, but I didn't even know it was coming to town. For two weeks. Go see it.

I'm going to fucking Australia. Oh. Until the 6th of May, but. Damn. Yeah, no, and I'd seen clips on TikTok from the original cast with the guy. Alex Brightman. Yeah, who was on the Has Been Hotel show, if you guys have seen that. Oh, yeah.

That's like really popular right now. Who else is in it? His voice is so like unique that when I heard him in like the trailer, I was like, that's the guy from Beetlejuice. Someone else do another theater person's in Has Been. Who was it? Oh, he plays Emmett. Oh, Christian Borle.

Yeah. Oh my. That Christian Borle is the original Latham Slater. He's like the straight man tenor. He had an affair with Laura Belbondy during The Great Blonde. He's like the TV guy. He's like a TV guy. He does good in that too.

He did Smash. He was on the eBay commercials. I think there's a bunch of folks on that. There's the guy who voices the, like he's like a very, very unique voice as well, voices someone on the Has Been a Hotel show, he's like have you guys seen Rick and Morty, I don't know if that's something probably not

that's why I was like I had already given up by the time I was asking the question I was like that sounds I don't know Keith David I think is his name is a very low voice and it's a very recognizable voice. But it's the voice of like the president of the United States and American Morty. But he also does a bunch of stuff. And it's like if you heard it, you'd be like, oh, I think I recognize it.

Why aren't you voice acting? Yeah. That's a great question, honestly. I probably should try. You need to do that because when I started like diving into you and hearing you on podcast, I'm like your voice sounds almost fake. It's almost like, it's very Seth Mufarlan vibes. It's very just like, is this real? Like. Yeah, I've been,

yeah. It sounds just like him. That's why I was like, you need to. Are you sure you're not thinking of Patrick Warburton? I don't know who that is, so no, definitely not. Hey, Peter, I'm a paraplegic person. Oh, yeah. Yeah, family guy vibes. Or, uh, the poison for Gooseco, Gooseco's poison. Wait, is that the same person?

Patrick Warburton. Wow. Yeah, is that the same person? Or different? Patrick Warburton. Wow. You sound like all those cartoons. Yeah, you would slay at that. I would slay. Yeah, you would slay. Would I perhaps serve?

You would eat. Yeah, you would serve and you would eat. Serve, yeah. Spill all of it. Yeah. Oh, eat for sure. Eat's the new one. I would eat.

I would consume. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Consume all day. I mean, you're already eating. That's your job. But you could eat some more with the. Hell yeah. That's everything. I would eat. I would consume. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Consume all day. I mean, you're already eating. That's your job. But you could eat some more with the – Hell yeah. That's everything.

Oh, my God. I love that. Yeah. No, voice acting is definitely where you should be for sure because like your voice is just so like unique to it. Thank you. And damn, I wish you could go see Beetlejuice now. That makes me like so sad.

It's such a good – our dining room is Beetlejuice. We recreated the whole dining room of Beetlejuice upstairs. Really? Yeah. Can I see it after the bar? Yeah, absolutely. He built the stone tables and the rabbit fur chairs. Yeah.

Oh, the big sculptures we have up there. Yeah. That's cool. We're at Beetlejuice. When he met me, my bedroom was Beetlejuice Broadway themed. I had the Beetlejuice sign. I spent over $100,000 remaking Beetlejuice music videos from the Broadway play. $100,000?

For like one video. I did Say My Name where I played all the parts. And it was so complicated because you have to have – So did you get a whole crew for this too? Yes. That's why I was like, did we meet? Because I have like 60 crew people on my music videos. And we did –

No, I've directed music videos. That's what I thought because I saw that in the notes. I was like, wait, I thought you directed music videos. Yeah, I've directed three music videos. I did one for James Marriott and I did two for a band called Lovejoy. Oh my gosh. And I've been talking to other folks potentially of doing music videos for them, too. Oh, my gosh.

Do you want to direct a music video? We're going to do a song. We're going to do a song. You and Tana are doing a song. Oh, yeah. Me and Tana are doing a song. You can direct it. Are doing a – what is the song?

It's called Good Girls. It's a work in progress right now. We're rebranding to Good Girls. Can you sing it? Well, we're making it up as we go. It's an improv song? are good girls we wear our hair back or we wear no we wear our hair up and then what else did you have and we just made it up as we go i forgot the words but it's like we're no longer problematic because we have boyfriends

and we have implants but we're super smart mean, that's an improv line right there. Interesting. Yeah. And we did OnlyFans, but we made a lot. So F you. We're the good girls, so we don't say fuck. Interesting. Yeah.

That's part of it. But it's a work in progress. That's a vibe. That's a vibe. Yeah. Anyways, if you want to direct it. If you want to come up with some treatments or something. Yeah. Ooh.

Yeah. I've done, I think, 75 music videos. You've done 75 music videos, that I've produced. You've done 75 music videos? We used to do them like Universal. I used to spend so much money. I spent over $10 million doing music videos in my YouTube career, which is stupid, but.

That's a crazy amount of just like cash? Yeah, mm-hmm. Okay, so remember how we were. But I was broke when I met him, so. So, she's been calling me bougie the whole time. Calling me bougie this whole time. Calling me bougie this whole time. She's rolled up to this compound from Hollywood. I drove up here in my 2002 Toyota Tacoma and she's calling me bougie for having a credit score of a 500.

But you probably had money in the bank. I was going to zero dollars. I'd make like $300,000 a month and be zero. Actually, it was for the first time like really within the last six months that I started actually investing. In what? In general. Just like stocks? I got a financial advisor.

Wow. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah. Because I just kind of didn't – I feel like I'm ahead of the game because I'm 26. Oh, for sure. You have a good credit score. You're saving money.

It's actually – it's crazy when I think back at like what – because I didn't really know what my plan was when I – if I didn't end up doing this, like the YouTube stuff. Because I was getting out of school. I did my last semester of school in COVID. Oh, wow. So I actually didn't make a thesis film. You go to this school. One of the things you do at the end is you do – it's kind of like your capstone. And you like really kind of lock in and try to make something good that's impressive that maybe you can submit to film festivals or something. And then – it was one of those things where YouTube was already working out. So I was like, this is probably what I'm going to do when I get out there.

So it wasn't like – I wasn't that worried about it. It was a little disappointing because we even went to New York to do auditions. And one of the people that auditioned for one of the main leads of this script that I had wrote was someone who was playing Elder Cunningham in the Book of Mormon at the time. JJ? I don't know. JJ Neiman is like popping off now. But he was great. This was back in 2020.

Yeah. He might have been then. He was great. He did a great job. And I was like, that's who I would have had. The guy was coming in and was like the... Yeah, no, but I don't know what I would have been doing if I didn't come out here. Oh, you didn't have a plan. Well, I'll tell you what my plan was. My plan was to go home and then try to save up $10,000

and then move to LA. I was going to come out to LA no matter what. Did you do that? Did you save up the 10K? No, I just moved right out here because I was making YouTube money, baby. Oh, I see. So you're like, I passed that. So I was like, let me just go out. Yeah, yeah. No, I had more than 10K at the bank at the time. Wow. That's so impressive, actually. Because I was at like, I think maybe I was at like 500K when I moved out to LA, like on YouTube. Oh, with 10K in your account. I was like, damn. No, no.

I never had 500K in my account. That's crazy. I don't even have 500K in my account. Investments you might, though. No. Not yet. I feel like. I don't even have 500K in my account. Investments you might, though. No. Not yet. I feel like you do. Guys always have money saved. No, I do not.

I'm telling you the truth. I'm telling you the truth. Are you just saying that so girls don't come after you like gold diggers? No. Like, I have no money. They always say that. Oh, I'm not going to tell you the specific amount of money, but I can tell you that it's not more than 500,000.

It's not more than 500. Yeah, it's 499,999. Yeah, it's $499,999. Well, it's always those people who say they don't have money that do. You know, like when I met my husband and stuff, he acted like he had no money and then he had more money than me in his savings. And I was like, okay, they're sneaky. You know what I mean? They don't want you to know because they don't want you to do whatever. But I have a theory about money.

What is it? And you can tell me if I'm right or wrong at this. I think that when it comes to stuff like money and fame in general, like stuff at this, I think that when it comes to stuff like money and fame in general, like stuff like that, I think that those things make people more of the person than they already are. So if you're a greedy person and you make a shit ton more money and you get more of that thing,

you're going to become – it's like a multiplier of a personality type. You become more of a greedy person when you get more money, which sounds like it should make sense, but then it ends up being the case. They're even greedier. But on the flip side, when you're a really generous person like myself, I give money to every single person. It's like when you're really – you just keep giving out more money.

But that's where we're going the manifestation route is like the more you give out, the more you give back. Because I would just be giving money all day long to everybody and then like I keep getting it back like times 20. So. Have you ever found that, that result? I mean, I imagine this might, did people take advantage of you because of that? Definitely that. Yeah. Like every single person I've always just paid for like their, their kid's school, like everything. I'm just like, for sure. But, but I'm telling you it works because it always comes back times 20. I just give, give, give. It's like, I love giving money.

I love spending money. I love all of it. And it always comes back. But I have seen it where it's like greedy. You work with people who make a lot of money and they just try to keep it all to themselves and they're greedy. And it usually bites them in the butt, their downfall. You know what I mean? Like it's, and also it doesn't make them happy. Like those kinds of people, like if you're a miserable person, like the money kind of just amplifies you being miserable. You know what I mean? As opposed to like, if you're really happy, the money just makes you happier. So it can go both ways. And I've seen both, you know, but I feel that's real. It's also like not real if you think about money. Like when you sell someone,

it's like, it's not real. It's just all like, what is it? Electronic numbers? Is this like, are we talking about girl math right now? Is that what's going on? You know about girl math?

Yeah, there's girl math. You know about girl math? Yeah, I know about girl math. If you sell, it doesn't, it's not money. Getting a refund from DoorDash or something like that? T. Oh, what's the, what's the, what's like the most shameless It's not funny. Getting a refund from DoorDash or something like that? Team.

Team. Sponsored by DoorDash. What's the most shameless refund situation you guys have done? Because I'll tell you what mine was. What's that mean, shameless refund? Okay. I wasn't making a lot of money in college. I did a thing one time where I was crashing out of Buddy's house and we were both really

drunk and I fell asleep on the couch, but I'd ordered pizza. I fell asleep. The pizza came. And then it was like a thing where I don't think the pizza was there, but I had like a million calls on my phone. They tried to deliver. I think – so they tried to deliver, but then it was just like I wasn't answering the door.

No one was awake. It was like 3 in the morning. But that's your fault. It is. OK. But I did the refund thing where I was like, they didn't show up. And then I – No.

And thinking – and I remember that because I think back on it and I'm like, I really hope that that wasn't something that hurt the person who delivered the pizza. Because if that was the case, I would feel really, really bad about that. But it was more like a thing where I was – I don't know. That's bad. Was it the Domino's or was it like a local pizza chain? It's Domino's. They'll be okay. Yeah, they're fine.

Domino's is doing fine. We love Dominoes. Yeah, the only time, the only way it would have been bad is if like that like reflected badly on the probably person making minimum wage like, you know, delivering the pizza. That's what I got worried about. Probably why I remember it. What did you do to make it right? What did I do to make it right? You said you were worried about it. I prayed.

But you're agnostic, so you need a brain too. No, no, I was, you know, it's, and then when nothing got better, that's been when I became agnostic. No, no. I was – you know, it's – and then when nothing got better, that's when I became agnostic. No, it probably nothing got better because that's that karma coming back to you. It was just like, okay, you got to reap this for a minute. I never get refunds.

I never return anything. I never exchange. I just – I keep it. So I'm kind of like bad like that too sometimes. But I try to be better about it. Yeah. Sometimes if I order something, yeah, I'll have a hard time returning it. But that's more of the ADHD of going to the post office.

You both have ADHD. This was one of our notes was to ask you, why ADHD? Well, there's so many. Why when you were setting up your little character here, did you decide to go with that ADHD route? Was it your PR agent that told you that? That's a prominent

reoccurring thing about you. Your car, the milk, the ADHD. I guess I'm just open about it. I wouldn't say it's my brand. I think so. That's your platform. I don't want that to be, I don't want to be a spokesperson for people with ADHD. I think you are.

But I don't understand it enough to be that. And he has ADHD. He has ADHD, so he looks up to you – you know, he looks up to you. You're like an ADHD role model. That's just because I'm taller than you. It's just I'm taller than you. You guys are the same. I don't know.

Have you related to the stuff that I talk about? Yeah. Especially because I'm like also like editing and stuff too. Yeah. Like when you talk about it, I'm like clock the T for sure. Yeah. I got stuck in a – sometimes i get stuck in a a black hole of of dopamine that's good no no no dopamine's happy right no it's more like i should

rephrase i got stuck in a black hole of seeking dopamine the other day where i've been trying to work on a video that i can i can have like kind of finished before I fly. Filmed at least so I can edit it while I'm on the go. I got stuck for a full day this week just playing Fallout 76 all day. Is that a game? It's a video game, yeah.

Have we played it? No, but Kyle McLaughlin is in the show. There's a show about it? I watched the show and then I was like, I gotta play the game. That's also another dopamine hole I fell into. I watched the whole show. What's it on? I need to watch it.

I watched the whole show from like 10 p.m. until like 6 in the morning. And now I'm like, now my whole sleep schedule is knocked off. Well, I'm like, okay, well, now I got to stay up. So then I did an all-nighter accidentally. Oh, my God. I got to watch it. Is it good? It must be good, huh?

It is really good, yeah. It is good. It is good, but I mean, it wasn't good enough for me to do that to myself. But it is really good. It's really good. I gotta watch it. It's based on a video game

or are the video games based on the show? It's based on a video game. Honestly, if you watch the Fallout show as someone who has not played Fallout, it's going to be crazy for you. Really? You're gonna be so, well, like not confused in a bad way, but like confused in like the

lore is wild. Yeah. Like you're going to be like, wait, what? But it's, do you want me to give you a short explanation of what it is? I love a spoiler if you want to give it to me. I will give you the, I will. I love a spoiler. I will give you like a spoiler for like the actual show, but like.

For context, she loves Kyle MacLachlan. Do you know him? He's the. The dad. So he's, oh, okay. He's the... The dad. So he's... Oh, okay. He's not the ghoul? No, no, no.

He's the original guy in Dune, and he's been in Showgirls. He was the original actor in the original movie of Dune? Yeah. He was the original Timothee Chalamet. Yeah. We're deep in the Kyle MacLachlan lore here. Desperate Housewives of the Flintstones. They aged him in a weird way.

His neck was too thick. Yeah. He was a twink in that thick. He was a twink? He was, yeah. Original twink. That's crazy. No, I'm making the connection now because way back in the day when I was a kid, my dad showed me the Dune movie, and I remember it being incredibly boring and weird. It is.

Especially the part with the floating guy. That's really weird. The floating guy is so weird in the original movie. That movie's crazy. We tried to watch it. I fell asleep. But I love him. Yeah.

No, but I didn't know what. He just kind of seemed like a guy that looked like maybe he was the son of one of the Beatles in the original Dune. I didn't really know who he was. He's a famous actor. He was in the Doors movie. He's been in so many things. He's huge.

Really? That's crazy. You look like him kind of. No, don't say that. Yeah, you have the same vibe because he has such a strong jaw and like. I kind of had. He kind of looked like Coconut Head from the original Dune movie. I never watched it.

Yeah, he looked like Coconut Head. I never heard of that character. Put it up on screen. Yeah, we can. Put it up on screen since you're editing the podcast right now. The Coconut Head. Yeah, put him right next to each other. The ghoul I heard is like everyone's saying he's hot.

I think, did you edit that clip on TikTok? Yeah. The Entertainment Tonight one? They're like, oh, the ghoul's like sexy or something. I don't know. I don't know anything about this. I mean, he's got provider energy. Let's be honest here.

Provider? Oh, yeah. Like money? No, it'd be like this. Imagine I'm wearing a cowboy hat. I'm going to take care of you, darling. Ooh. Right?

Yeah. That was giving, that was kind of giving like Leonardo DiCaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. You were giving like Western, like I like in the 1960s. Oh yeah, no, he is Western. Because he was a, the ghoul is a guy who, let me give you the breakdown. I want to hear it. So the Fallout as a whole series is basically an alternative history sort of story. And the lore behind it is about how in the 1940s, there's a split in the timeline from our universe where the microtransistor was not invented.

The microtransistor lets you make electronics smaller and better. So you know in the 1950s where you got those big vacuum tube TVs? 1950s aesthetic. Okay. Vacuum tube. Like the big fucking TVs with the spherical looking screens and stuff. Oh yeah, sure. And like the big cars and all that. So

in this universe, all the way into the future like into the 2000s shit still looks like it's from the 1950s because of that. Got it. Because of a small technological change, everything looks like it's from the 1950s. Back to the future vibes. Well, that's the 80s.

Oh, wait. No, you're into the 50s too. You're right. 80s into the 50s. Yeah. Okay. The whole crux of everything is like, it's like Cold War vibes as well. You know the Cold War?

Definitely not. We didn't learn about the crusade. We didn't learn about the crusade even. You don't know about the Cold War? When did the Cold War – do you know about the Cold War? Really? I did not know history there. I'm telling you, I'm from Illinois.

They didn't teach us history or math or anything. I know, but like that's like – The Cold War. That's not like the Children's Crusade. Children's Crusade is niche. Like we're talking like. What year are we talking? We're talking, I mean, the Cold War lasted a while.

I mean, it was pretty much like, kind of like from the end of World War II until like the 90s when the Soviet Union collapsed. Who won the Cold War? You tell me. We did, dude. We fucking won that shit big time, dude. We won that shit big time, dude. All right. Good for us, I guess. No, the Cold War was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Cuban Missile Crisis? No. You heard of that? I don't ever watch TV. Bay of Pigs? No. I know 9-11. The Space Race.

No. What? Do you know Space Race? No. He doesn't know Space Race. No one knows Space Race. You don't know about the Space Race? Well, let me just say this.

It resulted in us landing on the moon? Oh, but we think that's a hoax. Here at Just Church, we talk about this. We think that. That's not real. You know that it's not real. We talked about that. It was a hot topic.

We haven't confirmed that it's real, that it is a hoax. Look it up. Anyway. I don't believe it. Okay. No. Wait, hold on. Let me just calm down.

Wait. Can I just readjust my seat here? I just got to. I just don't, you know, it's a whole thing. It's a whole controversy. No, no. I want to hear about it. I do.

I do. This space is so, it's just a lot. Space is a lot. You're right. It's actually everything. Yeah. It's literally infinite. Right? Well, there is. Yeah. Space is a lot. You're right. It's actually everything. Yeah, it's literally infinite. Right?

Well, there is. Yeah. Right? Kind of. Like, when the world ends. It's expanding, but, you know, there's a. When we all die, the world ends. What happens?

Is space still around? Was space here before the first man was here? Yes. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Space was here before the first man was here.

Really? Yeah. So we all came from a big boom. The Big Bang, yeah. The Big Bang, yeah. The. Yes. Space was here before the first BAM was here. Really? Yeah. So we all came from a big boom. The big bang, yeah. The big bang, yeah. The big bang. I don't believe it. You don't believe, well, if you look up into the sky, you can see the stars.

I just, right. But okay, we're all gone. And then what, does space exist by itself? So do you think that existence is tethered to the human experience? Absolutely. Isn't that what existence is? Humans? Well, the existence as we know it is, yeah, I suppose.

Oh, she got you. No, wait, repeat the thing so I can... Isn't that what existence is? Like humans, we're existing as humans, that's existence. What else would be existence? Well, wouldn't you say that that's a bit egocentric? I would say that's just realistic. Well, you see a dog. Is that dog's a bit egocentric? I would say that's just realistic. Well, you see a dog.

Is that dog's existence tied to our existence? That dog experiences feelings. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. When it's all over, everyone's gone. Even the cockroaches, everything's gone. There's nothing that exists anymore. So exists. Well, how do you know? Cease to exist. That's what I'm asking. So is there space still around? Yeah, space would still be around, but there's a – we're going to get into entropy now. I know. We're going to get into the notion of entropy right now. Eventually, technically, billions and billions, trillions, even more than trillions, like whatever, quintillions or something like that of years into the future, eventually every

single star will run out of energy and it will just be a void of darkness, which is really unfortunate. Then nothing exists. Yeah. We don't really know what's going to happen after that. There's a lot of theories. It's like, but in terms of objective stuff that I can say that isn't in the realm of like, what is existence? I can tell you with a pretty solid level of confidence that we did,

in fact, land on the moon. How do you know? It says it's staged. Remember we talked about this. It was staged. How do you know for sure? Were you there? No, I wasn't there. But if you deny the very basis of objective evidence that is provided in a society, aren't you, then doesn't that just take rid of, gets rid of the foundation of everything else you know? No, I don't think so. Okay. Because then the government just brainwashes everyone to think whatever, and then you're like, oh, we just, there's enough evidence because the, you know,

government told us. But how do you know the moon landing did not happen? Well, there's just like, there's been stagings of it, how people say like, you know, oh, this was staged and this is Photoshopped and this is whatever, you know, it's like it's not real. Like there was never someone on the moon. It was all like staged theatrics. I don't know. I don't know for sure.

This is a legend. But at the end of the space race, like the Soviets were already like out of money. I don't know. Do you know what the Soviets are? Literally nothing. This is where it gets complicated. The Russians. Why do you want the Soviets?

The Soviets were like, it's not the same country really as it was back then. It's the Russian Federation now, I think is what it's called. So you can't hear Moses, but he's saying, no, that's exactly what it is. NASA's deleted. So what's your opinion? Do you think we landed on the moon or not? Not the first time. Moses is agreeing with me, not the first time.

Yeah. So the- I hear it, because you me, not the first time, yeah. So the... As I hear, because you know, that's what I'm saying. So what about like the footage of like the rovers and stuff and like you can see

physical dust on film. NASA deleted the footage of the original moon. Interesting. And how do we know that to be true? Well, that's like, how do you know that?

You know what I'm saying? That's what people say. Well, no, that's why I'm asking. Like if we also don't know that's why I'm kind of like. Statement from NASA, he said. I know, but it's a statement from NASA that we got rid of it, but it's also a statement

from NASA that we fucking landed on the moon. Well, there you go. So my question is, why are we accepting this as being like, that makes it so, like, you can't accept a portion of the information from NASA, but then also deny another piece of information from NASA. Right, but that's like you then, too. So this is coming from NASA. We deleted the footage and then you're also like, no, but it happened.

No, I know. The reason why I'm bringing that up because I'm flipping it because I'm trying to illustrate a point. How is it all deleted though? Like, sus. It's just sus. Okay, it's all deleted. What? The first landing on the moon, you're like, oops. Deleted. What?

There has to be more to it. You don't just accidentally delete something. Like your Barbie footage on the moon, you're like, oops, deleted. Like what? There has to be more to it. Like you don't just accidentally delete something. Like your Barbie footage, you want it to be like, I lost all the footage. Oops, I did that. Oh, that worked. I did delete the footage because it was taking up too much space. But you uploaded it somewhere. There's an archive of it.

You know what I mean? Anyways. Okay, that's so interesting though. Okay, so agree to disagree on the moon landing for now. Okay. We'll have to ask Elon Musk when he comes on. He's scheduled to come on soon, though. Okay, so agree to disagree on the moon landing for now. Okay. We'll have to ask Elon Musk when he comes on. He's scheduled to come on soon, so. Is he really?

Yeah, DM'd him. Oh, so you're manifesting. It's currently in the manifestation oven. You're taking us one step closer there, because I love talking to intellectual people and, like, you know. Do you think that we put the rover on Mars? I don't know what the rover is. You don't know what it is?

No. What? It's a robot. Kind of. It's like a little thing that. It's? No. What? It's a robot. Kind of. It's like a little thing that – It's like a little car. It's like a remote control car. A little car with some like stuff you can control.

So what – okay. What? But that's not a person. Like what a rover – a robot up in the moon? Yeah. Yeah. We put a rover on there. Okay.

But a person hasn't been on Mars. Right. Right? No. No. No one's been on Mars. That would be cool if that happens. You could go.

Yeah. Oh, my God. It's getting so complicated. We were talking about how McLaughlin came to this. So the Fallout series is about a Cold War that's happening, not between Russia and the United States, but with the united states in china in like the 2050s onward kind of thing and it's like a whole resource war whatever the case you know the story of fallout is talking about you know before the war and like then after the war and

like the wasteland that occurs from that nuclear war and like the stories of like people are on their wasteland and like the vault dwellers and stuff like that. And there's a lot to it. It's very complicated. I don't want to watch that movie anymore. I changed my mind on it. But it's honestly, it's funny. It's like. This is how you have to sell a tour.

The costumes are like really cute. Oh, wait, wait. Actually, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait. I'm not calling them a tot. You're right. I've been going around this the wrong way.

That was wild. What you just said right now. I was like, what? Ready for this? Okay. We got cute girls in cool suits. We got guns, shooting guns. Okay.

We've got robots, big robots. There's, what else? There's a hot zombie guy. Okay. And he doesn't have a nose, but that doesn't take away from how hot he is. Yeah. A hot dad.

We know that. And there is, what else is there? I'm trying to remember the show right. There's a lot of music, like ooh, ooh. Oh yeah,

there's a lot of good music. A lot of doo-wopping. A lot of doo-wopping. I love a 50s vibe. In spots, like fucking. Like the ink spot tests? No, the band.

Oh. That's like the one where he's like, what do you see in the ink? I don't know. I'm sold. Did you see it? Yeah. Oh, you never told me about this one. How was my second explanation?

Better, yeah. I'm really into fucking lore shit. Like I know all the Halo lore too. Like I know too much lore stuff. I always end up in, because I was ADC, I always end up in the Wikipedia and I'm just like, you know what I was doing last night? I was reading the lore on the Matrix

last night on Wikipedia. I was like, how did this war between the robots and the humans start? And I got onto the Matrix Wikipedia and I was reading that for like 45 minutes. But you know that's not real. Oh no, that's real. Why are you reading into a fake lore then?

Oh, because it's all history. Because it's all history. Everything is real. Everything is real. You're from the perspective everything's not real. Everything's not real. I believe everything is real. Maybe the Matrix is a possibility.

Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, real guys. Well, they were for sure, St. Nicholas. Oh, yeah, and Easter Bunny. I wish it was real. That was a crazy name too, Easter Bunny. Well, it's easy. It's Easter and a bunny. Very simple.

When did you learn that Santa Claus was allegedly not real? Yeah, oh, my gosh. If your children are watching, turn them away. You know, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Do we have people – Children watching. Yeah, their children.

Guys. If this – yeah, this is hypothetical. Yeah. You know, I don't even know if I remember like knowing he's not real. Like I just always – I always felt like I knew it that he wasn't real. Like I knew it as a kid. Like you just know. Yeah, I think there's definitely a difference across the board of how certain people – I

think some people it's like a pretty calm revelation and then for some people it's like traumatic. That's crazy to me. What about you? It wasn't traumatic for me, but I remember I put out cookies and they were like wrapped in like a plastic and I like marked them small on the back of the wrapper as like a test to try and catch them to see if it was real or not. And then I found the

wrapped cookies back in the bin where I got them from. So my parents just put them back in the tin. Wait, so they didn't even take... Wait, so you're telling me your parents put out cookies and they didn't even take a bite? No, they just put it back in the tin, yeah. And then I went to the tin and they were marked. Isn't the whole point of putting the cookies out so that

you come downstairs and you're like, and there's like a comically, there's like one bite taken out of it. They just put them back there. As if he's like in a hurry. I mean, I guess he is, but yeah. My parents are immigrants and I think they just didn't care. I think it was just like, you know. They didn't know the Santa Claus lore.

Yeah, the lore. They knew the surface of it. It's like, I guess you're supposed to put some cookies in it, like a display. And the plastic cookies at that. You didn't even bake them, like home-baked cookies at Christmas time. Yeah, they were just like pre-made from a tin, and then they just put them back in the tin. If you think about it, I've been thinking about this recently. I feel like for the holidays, at least if you were raised Christian or Catholic or whatever, there's a lot of like mythology that isn't even really related to the religion.

Like there is – you've got Santa Claus. Then you've got the Easter bunny. And I think – I remember growing up, one of the more confusing things for me was – I don't know. Did you guys ever notice that some kids like growing up, some kids would get like gifts for Easter? Oh, I got gifts for Easter still. Yeah, yeah., did you guys ever notice that some kids, like, growing up, some kids would get, like, gifts for Easter? Oh, I got gifts for Easter still. Yeah, yeah. What did you get for Easter? Easter baskets. Yeah. No, the baskets. Yeah, no, that's what the bunny brings. But, like,

kids were getting, like, items. Like, straight up. Did you get items? My mom gave me a toaster for Easter. You got a toaster? Yeah, she gave me a toaster. It's gifts. It's a gift season. So when I was a kid, that was probably what broke the camel's back, the whole mythology that I had going on here. Because they were essentially like gods to kids.

Were they not? Wait, what? The bunnies? The bunnies, the Santys, you know? But yeah, but like this is the name. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, in the same way that, you know, God is now to some people, they were gods to us and they got results.

Yeah, because they're like symbols of God, right? Like Jesus was risen from the dead on Easter. So the bunny simplifies that. I think, I mean, I guess Santa Claus was like supposed to be Saint Nick or Nicholas or whatever. But like in the child's perspective, they were gods and they actually, you prayed to them. You sent them letters. Right. And then on the same day every year, you prayed to them. You sent them letters. Right.

And then on the same day every year, you would get results from prayer. Because you're celebrating. Which was crazy. Yeah. Because like Christmas is Jesus's birthday. So you get gifts. Yeah. Like the three wives that bring you gifts.

But like Jesus wasn't around. That's like the family member everybody talks about, but he never shows up to the family gatherings. So is that the mythology of it? If you're agnostic, I guess, right? Well, yeah. Yeah, okay. But then what was most confusing for me was when it came to, like, I got what Santa was

doing. You know, I understood what was going on there. Like, I knew the lore. Like, he lives in the North Pole. He's got a collection of elves, and it's vague on whether or not they're paid, and they build all the toys. And he goes around the world, and you can track him because he's a Santa tracker, and they build all the toys. And he goes around the world, and you can track him because he's a Santa tracker,

and he will bring the toys. Good. And everyone talks about what presents they get and stuff like that. Easter comes along, I'm hearing that Oscar's getting a toaster from the Easter bunny, and I'm like, did that motherfucker build that shit? Like, you could go to a Walmart and there's displays of, like, they're selling, like, Easter-themed bikes.

Is the Easter Bunny building a bike? It's a bunny. I think you're thinking too deeply, honestly. I never thought the elves built it. I thought the elves, like, you know, they got the Nintendo 64 and then gave it to me for Christmas. No one's thinking they're building the Nintendo 64s in the elves built it. I thought the elves, they got the Nintendo 64 and then gave it to me for Christmas. No one's thinking they're building the Nintendo 64s in the Santa's workshop.

That's the whole thing. No, they're not. That's the whole crux of the situation is he has a workshop and he builds the toys. That's the whole thing. No. Yes, no, yes. You're thinking so much into it.

Trisha, I can let things go on the moon landing ship, but I'm not going to let it go on Santa Claus, okay? We'll have to dig deeper into this. I don't know. He is training. The elves are learning how to build circuitry. They're learning how to do woodworking. They're learning how to make trampolines. I don't know.

They know it all, and they're building it, and that was how I understood things. But they're all – yeah. I just remember when a kid would get a bike for Easter, and I'd be like, it's a rabbit. I think you, in general, dig too deep into things, right? Like the Barbie, watching all the Barbie movies before the movie, like just too deep. You know what I mean? Like you don't need all that.

And I think that's what's happening here in general. And I think – See, that's crazy coming from someone who has a podcast whose episodes are three times as long as my podcast. Talking about getting too deep into stuff. This podcast episode is going to be twice as long as my Barbie video. Well, the monetization, we have to hit it. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I guess we got to spend – over the next 10 years, I got another 10 million. I need to make a music video. Well, the monetization, we have to hit it. We gotta spend it. Over the next 10 years, I got another 10 million making music videos. Why are you not making five-hour podcasts? Because you talk more than anyone in the best way. You are a gift of gab. You're like stand-up for three hours straight. You could be doing so much. What I just did there with the

Easter Bunny thing was what I've been working on as a potential stand-up. I was just like, it sounds like we're in a comedy show right now. And I was like, it's amazing. You guys were the first people I tested on. That was a work in progress bit. It kind of crushes. Does it crush?

Yeah, it crushes. I hadn't worked it out yet. I was thinking about it on the drive over when I was just pacing out. And I was like, maybe I should just test this out right here. Well, I'm glad it's a bit because I was just thinking like, I need to tell this person he's thinking too deep. Because if you're going on dates talking about this stuff, I'm like, this is all too much. No, I'm just kind of figuring it out.

Because I really wanted, I've always wanted to do stand-up, but I'm terrified of it. And my plan is that I'm going to go to like in secret to – I mean, I guess I'm talking about it on a fucking podcast. But I'm going to go – like I'm not actually going to like come out and be like one of those motherfucking YouTubers that are like – like I'm not talking about anyone specifically. This is just a – Like who is it? Yeah, let's spill some tea. This is like – I just need to say that. I'm not talking about anyone specifically. I don't even know. Yeah, let's spill some tea. I just need to say that. I'm not talking about anyone specifically.

I don't even know anyone. Because I don't want anyone to get mad at me. Unless you're the turtle. A lot of the time influencers are known for coming out and being like, I'm going to release music. And they kind of. Cluck. Tea, cluck, cluck. And this is why I preface this. it's sometimes apparent that they actually haven't spent you know the several years that people usually

take before they actually have the audience that that music that is initially released could get to and I think the same thing kind of happens with like comedy and stuff because like the comic world is like it's terrifying to me and like I would never want to just enter that

as a fucking YouTuber that doesn't really know how to do a standup shtick. So I want to like for a little bit just do like open mics and I won't tell anyone. I'm just going to go to open mics by myself and actually try to get good before I like try to, you know. Sell tickets and stuff. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to go on a fucking tour before I like actually got my sea legs.

Why? People would love, because people just love you. So even if you weren't funny, what you are. That there is the crux of the issue. That's the difference in the philosophy. Wait, but that's what people need. So you have one audience,

you know? I could go and sell a tour. Yeah. But it, you want to be good. It wouldn't, I don't think it would be right. I think you like practice enough with your podcast and stuff.

I think you like practice. I think it's out there. But I don't know, like when I sit down and try to like think about doing standup, I'm like, this is like, it's a whole, it feels like a whole different thing, you've like practiced. I think it's out there. I don't know. Like when I sit down and try to like think about doing stand-up, I'm like this is like it's a whole – it feels like a whole different thing, you know? Definitely. I did do stand-up in a reality show. It was YouTubers trying stand-up and it was the worst thing ever. It was so hard.

There's a whole video that you were a part of about how YouTubers – wait. Wait. I was a part of it? What did I say? Did you just say you were a part of a video called YouTubers Try Stand-Up? It was a reality show, yeah. Like Heather MacDonald. It was real comedians coaching you.

On broadcast television? Yeah, it was. We did it at – On the television? On the television. And I think we filmed at Laugh Factory. I think it was. It's a clip online.

And it's just like they coach you into being a stand-up. And it was a bunch of YouTubers trying stand-up comedy. And it was like – How – did you do – Awful. Awful. It was horrible. It was so bad.

Like it's actually so hard. But you have that gift where you can tell a story because it's all about telling stories and making people laugh. Like it's – I don't have that like natural funny ability, you know? You're pretty good at telling stories. I feel like you – No. Definitely not by myself.

Like if I'm like talking to someone maybe but like you can just go, go, go and just – and that's what stand-up is, right? Yeah, no. I got a minor – that's actually one of the things, right? Yeah, no, I got a minor. That's actually one of the things I got at Ithaca. I got a minor in yapology, so. Oh, I love that you know yapping. That's so like trendy.

Well, you're young, I guess. Yeah. I just learned yapping. I'm a yapper. It's a new thing, you know. Yapology. Gooning's pretty new, too. What is?

Gooning. Gooning. But yapology is definitely something that people say. Like he's got a degree in yapology. Oh, I didn't know that. I always heard like yapper. Yeah, like bro is yapping. Okay.

Have you heard the All Right Brother? Have you heard that one? What? No. What is that? Why did you say it so quiet? All Right Brothers or whatever. It's like a sketch, you know?

I'm like second guessing my delivery of it right now. All Right Brothers? Special teams, special plays. Wow. Oscar, you know? No, he doesn't know. This is across. I don't think the girls and the gays know about this.

No. This one's. Yeah, but you're kind of the bridge between. Am I really? The straights and the girls and gays. Yeah. I am the bridge. I am the conduit.

Yeah. He always says how funny you are and all that stuff like that. So it's like, okay, let me dig. And I was kind of like, I don't know about this person. And then I like dig. I am the conduit. Yeah. He always says how funny you are and all that stuff like that. So it's like, okay, let me dig. And I was kind of like, I don't know about this person. And then I like dig. I was like, oh. Yeah, wait. Is there stuff that like, I realize we're reaching a three-hour mark here.

Yeah. Literally. Is there anything that we were meant to talk about that we didn't? Because we were just chatting. We have literally so much. We didn't even talk about Chuckle Sandwich. Yeah. We didn't talk about the Milkman.

We can rattle them off real quick. We didn't talk about. I'll give you a fact. Fan cams, thirst traps, genre you like to try. Well, I have to answer them first. We'll go through them real quick. I'll give you real quick answers. Okay, okay, okay.

Oh, well, that's the whole thing. You're not involved with TED Talks, right? No, no. That's not your thing at all. No, dude, no. I thought that was your thing. I was like, oh, that's interesting. TED, TED Talks.

That's my grandfather's thing. He started that. There's literally so much. God, I don't know where to go. We have notes and notes and notes. We have printed, too. I handwrite mine. He prints his. We sell these on our Patreon if you want to get the handwritten notes.

Join if you want. Join the Patreon. I guess we could do like rapid fire or whatever because I know there's a lot you wanted to ask too but oh I mean

oh yeah I was asking you too much about being an otter I'm sorry I feel like that was the more important conversation to have

it was I learned your conversation skills are 10 out of 10 you know you go on a podcast and sometimes like people just answer which you should

just answer questions about yourself but you're so good at like conversation yeah you know what's the one thing though I hope I wasn't

interrupting too much I have a little bit of a tendency oh we do it all the time i'm constantly like i just jump on people yeah yeah this is a safe space for that as you were talking i was like no we definitely made it especially ironic but also but also helpful no no i don't know i think that i think that sometimes i uh that's the one thing i have a problem with because i think that it was on several our thing where we have people in person. We don't normally do in-person podcasts for Chuckle Sandwich. We'll do a week and we'll call it Chuckle Week. Wait, what do you mean a Chuckle Week? We just took the first name of the podcast and then added week to the end.

But what is that? Okay, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, it was just like, it's just podcast recording week. We'll go and we'll rent out a space and then we'll get a bunch of guests on for a week. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, and we'll do it in bulk. We're doing that now because I'm having a baby next week. Next week? Literally.

This is my last string of interviews. It's you, Pokey, me, and Dr. Drew. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. But we have like 10 ready to go because I'm like, I don't know when I'm coming back. I'm going to come back. Are you excited? Yeah, I'm excited.

But back to Chuckle Week. I'm very excited. The baby's coming out. It could happen today. I literally could feel it at any time, but it's wild. That'd be crazy. Trisha Paytas' water breaks in the Tiddlers episode of the Just Trish podcast. It would make sense because I'm laughing.

But Chuck a week. Yeah. There were several episodes where I would get comments in the comment section where people would be like, Ted's interrupting way too much. And I'll see stuff like that. And normal hate or whatever. It's like, whatever. But I'll see stuff like that. And like, you know, normal hate or whatever. It's like whatever. But I'll see stuff like that and I'm like, ooh, that sounds like an actual like social

issue that I have that I would need to work on. I think it's common. So I'm glad that I wasn't interrupting. No. No. Also, I like interrupting because it's like it keeps it going. Do you know what I mean? Like when there's like too much of a pause, it's just too much of a pause, you know?

I love when people just jump in, next topic, boom, go. I don't mind interrupting. I love it. And I love when people do it to me because like, okay, next topic, let's go. I feel like this podcast has just been sort of like a string of tangents. Yeah. Oh, it's chaos. But you were holding the cards.

I saw you were holding the cards too. So it seemed like you were doing a good job of like having us flow. Well, I was trying to. And then I was like, we literally got so many places all the time. And I'm like, wait, there's a flow. It's supposed to be following here. But it's fine. I like it when it's like that.

I like a little chaos. You know what I mean? Because I do have it like planned out how we're going to go. But I'm like, well. The cards are like a backup. It definitely is. Because especially the ones you printed out. I was like, wow, these are a lot of talking points.

OK. Yeah, wait. I want to rapid fire some of these. You're going to get crazy. OK, can I say. Don't make fun of him. No. First of all, Oscar is the best.

He's a journalist. You were getting ready to pounce just then. I could hear that. I was like, you're like, all right. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this nerd. He's got. Oscar could hear that. I was like, you're like, all right, look at this motherfucker. Look at this nerd. He's got. Oscar is the brains.

I didn't hear the question. Yeah, thank you. He's so smart. Oh, wait, actually, hold on. I take it back. What do we got here? This is the brains. Is it bad?

No. I'm going to tell you the question he wanted me to. Because if you want to ask these questions, too, because I had my own. But he's definitely the brains. How I met Oscar was he was an interviewer for Entertainment Tonight. He interviewed me a bunch of times back in like 2018. Like, he's amazing at what he does. What is Entertainment Tonight?

The TV show. He like did it. I am an Emmy winner. He has an Emmy. You have an Emmy? For journalism. Congratulations. Thank you.

Thank you. No, he's the smartest. But then when I saw it, I was like, oh. Yeah, he has an Emmy. Whatever. Okay. Yeah. The questions.

He gives me great questions, right? Like if I need help, he gives me great questions. And so there's this one. He's's like here's some questions you can ask one of the literally the top question was this like um what are the best things about being a cute straight guy yeah i'm like could you imagine that's a good question what are the best things about being a good question people be like wow trisha like okay you're married and pregnant about to have a baby like what are you asking this question yeah no i understand that That definitely makes more sense to come from Oscar. Yeah, that's why I asked that question.

What are the best things about being a cute, straight guy? I mean, you know. Or worse. That was awesome. Oh, the worst was on there? Okay, or the very worst. It's just, you know, I'm at the helm of the patriarchy, really. I'm driving the ship. It does slay, I'm sure.

I'm right. It does slay. You're the Ken. And serve the ship. It does slay. I'm right. It does slay and serve. Really, it serves quite heavily. And yeah, I don't know. I can't say slurs, so that's kind of a bummer. That's true. I can't say slurs and I can't reclaim anything. That's the worst part about it. ADHD isn't even enough to reclaim the R slur, so it's not even enough.

Not disabled enough. I'd at least have to have autism in order to be able to do that. You could be on the spectrum. Everyone kind of is. I could see it. Yeah, that's what they say, but not enough for me to do any reclamation. Yeah. Yeah, no, so that's a huge bummer.

The best part? I guess I could get a loan easily. I don't know. Take care of your cute. I don't know what. I think you doing the Barbie movie, that's like hot because you're straight. Oh, I guess I don't really.

Like it's one of those, that's kind of the thing with privileges. You don't really kind of perceive them as deeply as those who don't. I mean, I guess I'm just perfect. And you're tall, so no one's going to mess with you. I do. I'll tell you, if you added tall in there, I would have been like, can reach objects on shelves. I can see above everyone. I can identify someone in a crowd much easier. I don't know. Being tall is great, dude. You're a great straight guy, too, because when we took the pictures, your hands were

always, like, to your side or out or something like that. And I was like, oh, you know, like, the straight guy pose. Because we were talking about this. Oh, yeah. Thumbs up is my go-to. Yeah. Like, never put the arm around anybody. I did end up putting my arms around you guys.

But I think because we were. My hand was on your back, and you're just like. I was gauging the comfort level. Isn't that great? I mean, that's good. But that's what I'm saying. You're like really the most well-rounded straight guy that we've known. I never touch the small of a woman's back when I pass her in a bar.

Do you not? No. That's good. Isn't that like specifically something that people say you shouldn't do? People do that all the time where they reach around like to the side or something like that. Yeah, so that's weird. Well, where are you going to put your hand? I don't know.

I just put it on the back. No, but when you're passing – no, it's like the whole thing about like when guys pass a woman in the bar, they like straight up are like touching her to like get by. It's like just like an excuse. You remember this? No. It's like a – I don't know. Like it's kind of just like a male excuse to do like just have a like just uh i don't know it's it's a

there's an assumptuous physicality of of doing that as like that is um perceived as like i don't know like shitty straight guy things yeah we're just like don't touch me at all but you're respectful this is what i'm saying i don't know i know you don't share about your dating life and you're not personal life but you're like respectful you're smart you know all the parts of a woman's body i mean i think you're really like the ultimate catch what a quote you're not personal life, but you're like respectful, you're smart, you know all the parts of a woman's body. I mean, I think you're really like the ultimate catch. What a quote. You're respectful, you're smart, and you know all the parts

of a woman's body. That's a good like dating app bio if you ever need one. Oh, I don't think it is actually. I think that's, I think that's the, I think that's the one

where like, where if a woman saw that, they'd be like, he's going to cut me up into a bunch of little tiny pieces and sell me on the dark web. But if the St. Troop paint has said it,

that will sell. The girls will be like, oh, safe space. I think they would add, I disagree. I think it would, that will sell. The girls will be like, oh, safe space. I disagree. I think it would add another layer of confusion. They would be like, all right, how is Trisha involved in this scenario? How did Trisha get mixed up on this?

I'm glad. I endorse you for sure. Of all the straights, I would endorse you the most. You're one of the only ones we've had, and I know you. Yeah, what other straights have you had? None. Jeff. Oh, Jeff Wittek. But he was None. Jeff. Oh, Jeff Wittek.

But he was with Tana. Yeah, Jeff Wittek came with Tana. So it was kind of like, it balanced out. Yeah, I couldn't be with him by myself. He can do a mean haircut. Have you got one by him? No, I haven't. Yeah.

He's a great barber. And he's ripped. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why he was like very, almost like too bro-y. He's too bro-y. Dr. Drew's great, but he's like a doctor, you know? So he's like, you know.

That's who fought Ian Idub, didn't it? Or is that someone else? Dr. someone else? Oh, that was Dr. Mike or something. Dr. Mike. Did you mention Dr. Drew? I was like, wait. What does Dr. Drew do?

He did like, oh God, you're too young. It was like a TV talk show. Celebrity rehab. Yeah. He did Love Line with Adam Carle, which is like literally in the 90s. You wouldn't remember, but. You guys are going to hate me for this, because feel like this is one of the main food groups of the girls and the gays. I do not watch reality TV that often.

I see that for you. But it's definitely in the food period for the girls and the gays. I think you might need to take a break from researching The Matrix and just watch Love is Blind or something. Honestly, I've seen a little bit of Love is Blind. Oh, there you go. And I had to leave the room when that guy with the chompers, like big teeth. This new season? No, the one from last year where the guy had the crazy laugh and the big chompers.

He had blonde hair and he showed up on, he had like a, I don't know. Yeah, I know who you're talking about. I don't know. I'll give you the context. He came into a room. He was dating, I think he was talking to Shayna, a woman named Shayna. Yeah. He came into the room and it was another woman and he was like, is it Shayna?

And it wasn't. It was another girl that he was also talking to. And I was like, oh, no. Yeah. The second hand embarrassment was like burning the skin. I was like a vampire in the sun. It was awful. I had to leave the room.

I love watching other people get embarrassed. I get embarrassed all the time, and I love watching other people. That's why I can't really – I'm trying to get better at it. I need a little bit more. I think I need to do exposure therapy to it, and I just need it. Yeah. Because there's another aspect that people – maybe I need to watch it with groups more because I feel like there's – it's almost like a – it's like –

It's like a gay sporting event. Yeah. I was going to say it, but I wasn't sure if I was allowed to make the joke. I know you're allowed. It's like sports for gays, you know? Especially tonight. Tonight is the RuPaul Drag Race finale. I'll tell you one thing, though, that bothers me.

About gays? Oh, my God. Here we go. About the gays. No, this is more – this is actually not something that bothers me about the gays. Oh my God. Here we go. About the gays. No, this is actually not something that bothers me. This is something that bothers me tangentially about theater kids and sports is that the whole time I was growing up,

there was always this joke, almost serious thing that theater kids would do would be like pretend that they don't know sports. Like where they'd be like, they'll be talking about like football, it'd be like, they'll be talking about football, it'd be like, oh, they're playing football, are they going to get a home run?

And it's like... When does fast grocery delivery through Instacart matter most? When your famous grainy mustard potato salad isn't so famous without the grainy mustard. When the barbecue's lit, but there's nothing to grill. When the in-laws decide that,

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And just because you were in Mamma Mia Junior, you don't know what a touchdown is? Are you kidding me? Oh, God. Well, in all fairness, they may not know, okay? And the theater kids after parties were so, the theater kids are inherently so fucking horny that the after parties were. It is crazy, yeah.

There was a whole sketch. But none of them were really, at least it might have been, no one was really having sex, though. It seems like they were. I wasn't part of it. I couldn't sing, so I don't know. No, just a lot of cuddling. That's what they said, yeah.

Just a lot of cuddling. That's all theater kids are. Lin-Manuel Miranda was on SNL. He did a sketch about the Crucible cast party. Remember that? Wait, before I lose it. There's another type of theater kid that was a straight dude that was in theater, but he's the where's my hug kind of guy. Wait, where's that one from? Where's my hug?

Or is that just like a meme right now that everyone's saying? The where's my hug guy. He's a type of person. Yeah yeah are you that person no i can tell by the way you just gave thumbs up only but yeah the where's my hug guy is crazy and they still have those all the time and you're just like yeah i mean it's kind of unfortunate because it is in reality just someone who struggles socially but but at the same time it's also like you should know how to respect people's boundaries. We don't hug. A lot of people hug us or whatever.

We never hug. I just – but maybe it's awkward, but I just don't love hugs. Like I don't want an inferior ear space. I don't want it in my space. I have a belly. I have boobs. I have all this stuff. I'm like I don't know what you want.

Who wants to touch what? Some people don't like just being touched in general and that's fine. I like being touched. But yeah, hugs are a lot. But when people come – did we hug? My friend Emma is not a hug person. Are you? Did we hug? I'm trying to think. I like being touched. But yeah, hugs are a lot. But when people come, did we hug? My friend Emma is not a hug person. Are you? Did we hug?

I'm trying to think. No. I believe we did hug. Yeah, I feel like it's obligatory. Like you're like, I should hug this person. We sure can. We sure can. Because I didn't think you, I don't know if you would be a hugger.

And I was also trying to like cosplay as straight. So I'm like. Cosplay as straight. Shake your hands. Why did you feel the need to do this? Oh, I love that. That's everything. How was my handshake? Hey, bud, let me shake your hands. Wait, did you shake your hands? Yeah. Oh love that that's everything how was my handshake hey

bud let me uh wait did you shake your hands yeah how was my handshake i think pretty solid i think pretty solid i was it was a lot of feelings when you first walked in it was like like a rush to quote choice of well yeah i imagine that like because everyone's smaller on teeth on the tv you know i imagine when i walked in it was like a beast walked in the room because I'm so big. Yeah, it was a lot. It's a lot. It was like, because it's been months. Because I feel that when I meet someone who also is of even my height, and I haven't seen them in person before, I'm like, holy shit, you're fucking tall.

And even if they were the same size, I'm like, holy shit, you're my equal. I knew you would be tall, too, but I think seeing you in this room really put into perspective. Yeah, you almost hit your head on that thing. I was like, careful. Yeah. Oh, my God. No, it was wild. Yeah, it's like a... Also, for me, because i just didn't like i'm like this is so

weird like maybe he doesn't want to be here that's why i was asking ask him like how did you like talk this out because i'm like he's i'm like how did you get him on here honestly the only thing i had coming in here was i was worried that it was one of those podcasts where you guys start before like at a certain time and i was going to show up and you guys were all going to be going. I felt bad because I was like eight minutes late. You were so punctual. We've had people four hours late. Literally. We love that though.

I don't care. Were they a YouTuber? Yes. That explains it. She's cool. I don't mind. I'll wait five hours for her. Did they tell you? Yeah. She's like, oh, we're heading out soon. She knows. Shout out out soon. She knows. Shout out to Hannah. She knows.

We'll be here at like 4 o'clock. I think it was like 7. I go to bed early, so that was the only thing. Really? When do you go to bed? Yeah, 7. That's awesome. Yeah.

So she was like – it was like 7. I love waking up at like 5 in the morning. Yeah. That's what time I get up. Do you get up early? Yeah, we're early birds. I woke up at 5.45 today. Oh, there you go.

Wow. And what do you do? Go to the gym? I go on at 5.45 today. Oh, there you go. Wow. And what do you do? Go to the gym? I go on my phone. I walk out on my balcony and then I will be on my – I'll start to shower and then I will be on the toilet on my phone for like maybe 40 minutes. That's not good. That's how you get hemorrhoids.

Really? Yeah. Shit, I need to stop doing that. I was getting them so much and I was like, you're on the toilet. It's fun though to be on the toilet. I just end up there and it's like, I don't know. I should stop. You live alone, right?

So you don't need to like hide in there or anything. You're right. I don't. Sometimes I do. I just be like, I'm in the bathroom and I need to go on TikTok or something. Yeah. I think it's because I loathe the – I know I need a shower, but I loathe the process of like – of getting out and having to get on – like stop being wet. Yeah.

And like the drying thing. Get a robe. I don't know. I think there's like – if I'm on the spectrum, maybe it's like that category specifically. I think I maybe got like 1% of a sensory thing with just drying myself off with a towel. Like it's just a pain in the ass. But if it's a sensory thing, because he has a sensory thing, he puts like three towels on him because it's like a pain in the ass. But if it's a sensory thing, because he has a sensory thing,

he puts like three towels on him because it's like, get this water off me. You know what I mean? Oh, interesting. Especially if you have any hair on your body, it's just like extra wet. I think I just do it fast

to try to get it over with. He does like three towels, because he's like a sensory person. You do? Three towels. Yeah, like as soon as possible, get it off. But anyways,

he's a whole water spiritual cleanser. It's a whole other thing. But this is, we've joked because we have three hours for Hot Topics but I would never keep a guest here for this long

I was like because I didn't know what you guys were going to ask me to be honest I was like I don't know it's a key

it's always fun we don't know either yesterday I'm like are we just going to key or are we going to these have all been ballpark topics I've been chilling

this whole time well you came up with a lot of topics like all our topics I was just like well you came up with a lot of topics. All our topics, I was just like, well, you came up with so many. You steered the conversation. Yeah, you're a great guest. You're such an alpha. Is that right? I'm the alpha. I'm the leader.

Sorry. TikTok? With the wolves. From the Disney movies, Zombies or whatever with Milo. Milo guy. Milo? Milo. That Milo guy. Milo. Milo.

His name's Milo. I don't know him, but we know Slot. The only reason why I know him is because I was at Saddle Ranch at one point. Oh, my God. You're such a vlogger. Recently? Influencer. 2021. Oh, that makes more sense.

But that's like bright palm. But when it was hip, and I was like, I gotta see what this fucking Saddle Ranch thing is about. And they do this thing where you get a dessert, and they let you make s'mores. And so I was doing that. And then some guy walks up next to me, and we're just chatting and stuff. And then later on, I see that he was this guy who acted in this Disney movie, which is the zombie one, I think, where that song, the I'm the Alpha, I'm the Leader thing comes from. But I just ran into him, and I was like, oh, I was making s'mores with that guy.

You recognized him? Yeah, because I don't know. He was a nice guy. Did you get a picture? I didn't know. Well, I didn't know who he was. It was after the fact. I was like, hey, I recognize that guy from the Saddle Ranch.

I had made a s'more next to him. And he's a TikTok sound viral. I'm sorry. I think I just totally pulled you away from what you were trying to say there. No, no. That was good. I mean – Oh, yeah.

I know. I know what I was trying to say. It's probably easier because I've done like a million of these. A million podcasts? Yeah. Yeah, like podcasts. So like – I've seen you everywhere.

You have your own, your chuckle sandwich. I was just like, this is just like natural for you, which is crazy because it's like you've only been an influencer like from 2018. It's not even that long and you're just like so natural at it. It's like actually insane. Probably the theater kid in me, you know? That's what I like. I got excited when I heard you singing Grinch.

Yeah, you really turned around. Oh, I was like, oh, theater? Really? Yes. Oh my God. I was like. So you initially had reservations. Yes.

She gets nervous around any straight guests. Straight guests. Also, Oscar kept talking about you, and I was just like, because we were talking about the weekend, Zac Efron. He's like, 10 minutes. I'm like, stop. Stop. I don't know who this is.

Just stop. You did yesterday. Did you guys go to the weekend Halloween Horror Nights thing? I'm scared of it. He did. I'm too scared. I don't like horror stuff. Well, it's closed now, so you can't go anymore.

I would have gone, though. I just get too scared. It sounded like you were like, I've been putting it off. It's like, no, it don't like horror stuff. Well, it's closed now, so you can't go anymore. I would have gone, though. I'm just too scared. It sounded like you were like, I've been putting it off. It's like, no, it's been like eight months. No, it's been like a, dude, it's been like almost two years since they did the weekend one. Oh, the weekend one. Yeah. It was the scariest one there.

But also, kind of funny that someone out there was like, there's something inherently terrifying about the weekend. Let's get him to make a horror house. It is kind of weird, yeah. I don't know. He's just in everything. It's like Stranger Things, fucking Jaws. They got Friday the 13th, The Weeknd. No, The Maze was wild.

I saw it. I was like, that was kind of wild, actually. I guess he's a scary guy. I mean, I just don't think they should be basing a whole horror maze around him. It seems a little rude. He's disconnected. He got us to play in Fortnite. We play Fortnite for our Patreon, and we play in The Weeknd skin. I just don't think they should be basing a whole horror maze around him. It seems a little rude. He's disconnected. He got us to play in Fortnite.

We play Fortnite for our Patreon, and we play in the weekend skin. That's the only reason I joined. I was like, all right, I'll join. It's the weekend. But no. But we love that we got a dream guest on here. The manifestation worked. Thank you for coming on and being our dream guest.

Thank you for having me. Is there one song we should sing as an outro that you know that you love? I want to sing another one. That's so fun. No one ever sings with me, so I got excited when we did Chip on Our Shoulders. Let's choose something from Legally Blonde. Yeah! Which one?

We're all in pink right now. Okay, which one? We both know why we're here. I see it in your eyes. Do you know that one? No. But keep going. Time to get serious with you.

It's like serious. Less of a Marilyn, more of a Jackie. Serious. Someone who's classy and not so tacky. What? I don't know that one. Oh, wait. Wait, really?

When he's proposing? He's like, I think we should break up. And she's like, what? You're breaking up with me? Let's do a... What do you know from Leigh Blonde? What you want? Now we're saying what you want.

Let's go get what you want. It's right in front of you. In front of you. Stop one year off to Harvard Law, so I'll get in there too. Actually, I don't know what else I think I did. And about Elton New. Man, what else? Oh, my God.

Okay, not Legally Blonde then. I love all the Legally Blondes. Man, we could sing a fucking. Back to the sun, back to the shore, back to what I... Emma's in that one. That's a... Oh, yeah, I know that. You know, it's been eight years.

I'm so sorry. I wish I could. I needed some music. Okay, do you know any song? Any song? Do I know any song? Any song at this point. Staring at the blank page before you open up the dirty window.

Let the sun illuminate the words that you cannot find. Reaching for something in the distance. So close you can almost taste it. Release your inhibitions. Feel the rain on your skin. No one else can feel it for you.

Only you can let it in. No one else, no one else can speak the words on your lips. Put yourself in words unspoken. Live your life with doors wide open. Today is the way your book begins. The rest is still unwritten. Ba-ba-da-boo-ba-boo-bee-bee-oo.

A little scat there. Yeah, that was a little key and peel acapella. Okay, that was good. Thank you. And that was a good one. We all knew it. That was good. Yeah. Love it. Oh, you guys, check out Ted N key and peel acapella. Okay. That was good. Thank you. Thank you. That was a good one. We all knew it. That was good. Yeah.

Love it. Oh, you guys, check out Ted Nifferson, his real name. It's not television. Check out Chuckle Sandwich. Check out all his eating shows. Which is named, Chuckle Sandwich is named after my high school acapella, or not acapella, improv group. That's also piece of the room.

Okay, shout them out too. And, oh, what was her name? Jalemi. Think, what was, no. Jalemi. Jalemi. No, no. Jamila. Jamila. What was the name? Noalemi. Jalemi. Jamila.

Jamila. What was the name? I want to get it right. Jamila. Shout out Jamila for making this happen. Shout out Ithaca College. Yeah, honestly, we'll give credit to Jamila

for this in a very legitimate way. No, we love you so much. You made dreams come true today, Jamila. I hope you feel good about yourself. No, you get karma points all day long. You get karma forever. Yes. And yeah, thanks to Nif Niffison, for being here.

You were amazing and wonderful. And I can't wait to see you on tour in your stand-up comedy special. And in Australia. Stay safe over there. Oh, stay safe. It's all good. Well, I might even get stabbed. It's going to be fine.

All right. We'll see you guys in the next one. Bye.