Just Trish - Zach Sang on INTRODUCING Trish to Ariana Grande & Cringey Interview Moments

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

Trisha turns the tables on prolific interviewer Zach Sang to get the tea on his famous friendships with stars like Ariana Grande and Demi Lovato. Can Zach pull some strings to get Ari on 'Just Trish'? Plus, Zach reveals his messiest interview moments and how he found love for the first time with a HOT Australian model.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, welcome back to Just Trish and today we have a very special guest, our beautiful human. Hello, beautiful human, Zach Zane. Hi, Trisha Paytas. We just had such a good intro. You literally just experienced something that I've experienced so many times doing what I do. Well, technical difficulties exist every, like it just exists in the world of what we do. What do you do in that situation? Yeah, you said, what do you do? You just keep going.

What do you mean? You have to restart, though. Well, yeah, sometimes. Or what ends up happening, like, in my case, and this has happened, like, more than once, where we've done an interview and we realized that we weren't recording audio or the audio that we were recording. There was something else underneath it, so we couldn't use the audio. Oh, yeah. So what do you do?

You just scrap it? No, I, fuck no, I air it. Are you it are you kidding me just like messed up audio yeah we try to figure it out we use camera audio at the end of it like like we will we will because at the end of the day like when we have guests coming in it's hard to get them to give us additional time and like we talked to these people for an hour they were in our studio with their team for like an hour and a half like the idea of them coming back and redoing, it just seems like impossible. Like an impossible task. Like I wouldn't even want to do it for my own show. Like would it just be so, like I don't even like to do that.

We only recorded 10 minutes. I'm like, no, like it's my worst thing in the world to do like two takes of anything. It's hard because like at the end of the day, it's an energy drain. You're learning what it takes to be a broadcaster. We are looking at broadcaster, hostess of the mostest tricia paytas who opens up her half house pop culture museum to the public i know we had a whole thing about that yeah i was like oh man there was so many good things there's so many good clips you're your little audience most of his fan in the audience like this was so much that we missed him to redo it all like how are we gonna

do this we have the energy going and no but we're gonna avoid okay we can recap you have a boyfriend a boyfriend sister's a fan of moses's art. I didn't think Moses had fans. He has fans. You're like, your house is a museum. We love coming to the museum. There's a King Tut hat. And that's it. That's our recap.

I'm obsessed with you. Oh, my. I'm obsessed with you. I am shook that you're here. I'm shook that you're here. Because honestly, I've never. I did a deep dive into you, but it was just your show. You don't want anyone else's show.

You don't spill the tea. you're doing one now that's like round table what like there's like three hosts now oh I well I ended up doing like an Amazon live pre-show the other day and then I have the AM show which is like my radio show so that's me Dan Cameron and that could be like Kelsey and Jordan whoever's in the room my boyfriend comes on that show from time to time too. But with not his voice. Well, yeah. We put him through a vocal disguise for now. Why?

And he's like a dark blob on camera. I don't know. I just – at the end of the day, I want to build a little mystery. I think if we're going to be very honest. And then ultimately like everyone's going to get to know him in due time. You are going to do, like, a soft launch? Yeah. I mean, yeah.

We're not going to keep him a black blob through a voice changer forever. Does he want to be private? You look like a model or something. Like, he looks like someone who would be public. Are you public or private? Public. Oh, okay, okay. So you're down for it.

You have to be, I think, to date someone like you or me. It's like you just kind of have to. I got to be honest. Like, this has been, like, the – I've never actually been in a real relationship before in my life. I've never – I mean, I think to date someone like you or me, it's like, you just kind of have to, I gotta be honest. Like this has been like the, I've never actually been in a real relationship before my life. I've never, I mean, I lost my virginity. Like there's been like so many major events. The internet calls your boyfriend. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Cause I know last time I saw you, which was like December, you were still like, I do stuff, but not stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So the stuff is done.

The stuff is done. Yeah. The stuff is stuff. The stuff is stuff. Yes. Yeah. How was it? Stuff? Is that what you said? The stuff is done. Yes. Yeah. How was it? Phenomenal.

Was it? Yeah. It's never phenomenal for people's first time. Usually people are like, oh, no. I gotta be honest. We've gotten to know each other very well. And also, we align in so many different ways. And I think that's just one of the ways that we align.

Correct? I agree. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I love it. It could be crazy. So cute. And you had such a glow up when i like you're

wearing costume say it's a halloween episode we're riding sharpay which i picked and i feel like it's a little narcissist like i'm like let me be cute sharpay and you just be goofy ryan over there but i am ryan no you're more of a you're more of a troy bolton you'd be the star of high school musical for sure especially with your hair like we should have maybe done that we should have done like troy and sharpay no i don't want to show can't. I've never worn a tank top. Wait, really? No. The idea of, like, wearing a tank top in this setting on camera, and I'm going to show my arms like that?

No, you look. No, but that's what I'm saying. When I saw you, you looked so good. Oh, thanks. Like, you had glasses on. You had this cool, like, plaid outfit. You had your hair in the swoop. And I told you, like, Kyle McLaughlin, which I don't believe you know who that is.

Like, that's crazy. He's so. No, now, my only picture of this man is the cosplay of Moses. Moses dresses Catholic. It's a movie showgirls. And he was so hot in the movie. Oh, my God. He's so hot.

He was on Desperate Housewives. He's on Twin Peaks. He's such a hot actor. You have to look him up. Oh, my God. That's who you look like. And that's like my biggest celebrity crush. And when I saw you and I saw your hair, I was like, oh, my God.

You looked amazing. Like glowing. Well, I guess glowing because. That was really nice. The glow up with the boyfriend. Can I say something? Yes. Of of course i may ask you a question uh my boyfriend did tell me this morning while we were brushing our teeth that if he wasn't in love with me and didn't find me oh my gosh he would marry you wait really do you swing both ways yeah but i said don't bring these up i love it

we need like an audience mic in camp because like i I love when there's a whole crew here to say this. I love it. I don't know. That makes me feel even more better because sometimes when people are here, I'm like, what is this bullshit that we're at? You know what I mean? Literally just in this little room.

Oh my God, that's so cool. Well, you have good taste then. Maybe I could come to your wedding. Maybe I'll officiate or something. We've been talking about maybe asking if you'd perform. Yes. Oh my God, actually? I plan on having like yeah multiple people but you should officiate too we did talk about you officiating that's a good line if i would be honored it just doesn't make sense what song am i singing at the wedding i love Love You Jesus. Oh, okay. Really? Yeah, maybe we could do a modified version of that.

Okay, like how? Like I love you. I love you, whatever his name is. Oh, yeah, that'd be cute. Zach and whatever his name is. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be so cute. I would do it, 100%.

I would love to perform at weddings. That's like my ultimate goal, like being a wedding singer. You had the most amazing wedding. Oh my gosh. I was there. Yes, you were. It was incredible. No, you show up to everything and every party.

And that's what I love about you. You're like a true friend. Like I don't really socialize, but like when I do have social events, you always like show up. Also like you are one of the most genuine energies I've ever come in contact with throughout my journey in life. So I think if anybody out there thinks anything differently of you, you are so incredibly pure and your intention behind everything you do in life and on the internet is really like rooted in just who you are. Yes.

In times exaggerated in this, this intense version of you, but still shades of you. And you've gone on to just be this fucking force that through everything has been consistent if anything and unwavering and it very much proof that like if you keep doing this thing and you just be yourself things will fall into place it always works out yeah totally yes yes applause i love it i feel like we're on oprah right now i don't know who's interviewing you i was like oh my god I feel like I'm being interviewed.

It's so crazy. Is it hard for you to like be the guest? Yeah. Because you do ask so many questions. A hundred percent. Yeah. In situations like this where I'm like genuinely interested in somebody and I care very much about them and like, yeah, I want to talk to you.

I'm very interested in how your show's going. And I'm so proud to watch you do this because one of the first things I said to you when I came to your house was like, the universe told you that it just needed to be you. And that is thriving in ways that like, maybe you knew or could never have predicted, but like only up, only up. Yeah, never. It's so funny because like I, I used to do a solo podcast like back in like 2019 and it just like didn't get anywhere. Like it was like a flop. You know what I mean? I tried solo podcast like year, last year. It just like didn't work, you know?

So I always thought I needed like to be next to someone. And when I did your show, you were even talking about producing a show for me. And then I never heard back from you. And then I was like, oh man, this is awkward. Cause you were like, let's have a meeting. I'm like, yes. And I was so excited.

I remember telling him, I was like, yes, we're having a meeting. We're going to be at Amazon. We're going to be on Onamp. And then like nothing. No, by the way, I'm going to send this clip to all the Amazon executives that I sent that pitch to. And they going to be on Amazon. We're going to be on OnAmp. And then like nothing. No, by the way, I'm going to send this clip to all the Amazon executives that I sent that pitch

to. What happened? Oh, they rejected. That happened to me too. We went to Spotify. We had like two meetings with them. They were like interested and then boom, nothing. And I was like, oh my gosh. But you know what I was thinking on my way here? What did they say? What did the Amazon people say about me? Well, you want to know what they said? Yeah, I really do. That everybody, most of the people

that work at Amp, which is our radio service, which everybody should check out. It's really cool. It's a new version of radio. Is it AMP or on AMP? And where do you listen to that? You always say on AMP. I'm like, what is that?

You can, okay. AMP is new version of radio. It's a radio service that exists where anybody who's anybody can make their own radio show. But it's home to democratized radio. So anybody, but also some really cool broadcasters like myself and Joe Budden and Nick Cannon. And it's totally commercial free. You'll never hear the same song twice unless I want you to. And it's a new version of radio, different version, really sparking a radio renaissance.

So when I pitched your show to them. What was the pitch? I want to know. Well, it was literally this. Oh, just a Trish show. Yeah. Because we had talked. Remember, I told you about Colleen.

I told you all the things like Dr. Drew. I knew Dr. Drew. I didn't know Colleen at the time because this was pretty early. Yeah. And then I heard then a few months later you ended up launching that podcast. But I pitched some really just a podcast with you and a co-host. And I think we're thinking about Dr. Drew. And then I really mostly focused a pitch on you.

And what ended up happening on that call was like they literally said like most of the young people that work for the service have been begging to have you on the service. And then I think there is pushback in other areas, but to the point where like, yeah. And this is something that you told me that I could have never predicted, which is like, I thought you would do crazy brand dollars all the time. Right. And you said, I don't. I didn't, but I'm back. That's right.

I do get them now. That's clap audience. I love an audience. Please come here full time. It's great. The timing of that pitch was different, right? So now you have this show

and like, isn't that just a testament to how tides change and perceptions flow and move? It's a pendulum. I always say that. I said that on your show too. Like after,

I came on like summer of 2021, like after a podcast I failed or whatever. And I was like move it's a pendulum i always say that i said that on your show too like after after i came on like summer of 2021 like after a podcast i failed or whatever and i was like it's a pendulum i don't like to have people like build me up too high and i don't like it because they'll like tear you down so i just like to be like you know think of nothing like in the middle it's like nice to have people like you you know but it always swings things shift all the time so i'm happy to be on like a wave now but you did say that i think there was a quote i was watching so much of you last night where you said, I've always built it and they come. And I'm like, that's how I feel too. I was like, you know what? Just build your own set.

And then people come like knocking down the doors. People are like, oh, we'll do this. We want exclusive this, all this stuff like that. And I was just like, I'm having fun just doing it like this, you know, just me and Moses and just like we get our ad reads. It's cute. And that's it. But at the end of the day, that's how you have the leverage.

And when you build something and everybody else sees what you're building that they didn't get a chance to be a part of they're now going to want to be a part of it like and you know somebody told me one time success has many fathers and failure is an orphan and like you being successful is going to breed and bring to you a ton of people who want in and also people who tell you like oh i helped her with this came up with this push her to do this. All this bullshit. Yeah, well, you were the only one to push me to do it because you were very stoked about it. You're like, you should have your own show. You should do this.

You needed to. Thank you. I really, like since the first time you did our show and the thought and care you put into that appearance, like you did what very few people do, which is you cared about how you came off in a very real way. You cared about how you were perceived,

not only on camera, but to the people in front of you and you put tender love and care in terms of like what your passion points are like you came in dressed as pamela anderson on her howard stern appearance you have a good memory oh my god it's iconic oh my god easily one of the most iconic moments of our show and i remember doing that interview and going out that night and people coming up to me at the bar no way stopping me and being like yo that interview with going out that night and people coming up to me at the bar. No way. Stopping me and being like, yo, that interview with Trish. And it was only out for a couple hours. That's crazy. That's nuts.

Because you do such big interviews. You have like the biggest guests. How do you get your biggest? I need to know that now that I'm doing this all ourselves. Do you DM? Because I'm DMing everyone. I DM the most random people. And sometimes they DM me back.

Do you do that or do you have like a booker? I think my team would love me to DM more than I do do oh you don't sometimes and sometimes it works you know um but also sometimes it doesn't and it's a combination a lot of times at this point artists do seek us out and they go through management they go through labels sometimes they go themselves to us and then also like we have existing relationships with artists that go back many years that as it relates to like how they release an album you know know, AJR, friends of mine. Yes. Where we saw each other.

Yes. I was in the general admission. You were in the VIP with them. I brought you guys up though. I wasn't there. I left. I left early before you got brought up. That's crazy.

Yeah. Somebody had to save you. I'm out. Cause I was like, not that it was general admission. It's just like, I didn't get it, but I don't even think I saw them. I saw like their opening act and I left. So I don't know who those people were, but. I met you for the briefest moment that day. No, we met that day?

Yeah. Oh, did we? I don't know. Really brief. Very quickly. Because I remember coming down and assessing what was going on, meeting you really quick and then be like, oh yeah, I'll come back and like try to figure this out. Wow. And I did. That was so nice. That's nice. Did you know the person I was with? Is that why you did it? Because I didn't really know you or we didn't know each other back then. No, we didn't know

each other. But I know, yeah, I knew the person you were with. Oh. And the people you were with. But I knew you. I knew of you. Right. Yeah, I didn't know you. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. Well, and because, but okay. Also because you've been on YouTube since the dawn of time. Yes, right. You helped cut the ribbon for the opening of YouTube. I mean, that is true. That's one thing I always go hang on to. I'm like, oh, you know, I've been there since the beginning.

But so have you, right? When you did your high school show, were you on YouTube? Or you on – was there an on amp back in the day that you like were on? So I started a radio show from my bedroom when I was 14. And then I did that and it was audio only for like a year and a half maybe. And then I ended up working for an internet radio startup. And I like ran the teen radio station and then I took my show there. And that is when we started on YouTube. And that was around 2008 or 2009,

I think. So that was early. That was like in the first few years of YouTube. How old were you? You were 18, 15, 16. Oh my gosh.

So were you like signed to something? Uh, I don't know if I signed a, yeah, I guess I did sign a contract. I don't know. I don't remember. All I do remember very vividly from the very early stages of like moving

my radio show from my bedroom. And the reason I started a radio show is because I had no friends. Like I had this, I went from a very, very tiny school of like 80 kids to a school of like 2,800 kids. And I just knew nobody. And I just navigated so much life really alone. And the internet was just for us, like from a social media standpoint, from a community standpoint, it became way more accessible. So the idea of using the internet in some way, shape, or form just made sense for me to find community, build community. And I love music too. I was a party DJ when I was in middle school, and I just loved friendship that I would hear on the radio. So building an internet radio show just made sense to me.

Yeah. an internet radio show just made sense to me yeah um but ultimately like i don't know like when i moved from my bedroom to a real studio like i didn't know what i was getting into like i was so young like my my stepmom drove me to the job interview and like well i literally thought i was going to somebody's house or some like like weird office and it ended up being this really nice building and this sick studio and yeah i, I convinced these people, these French radio executives to give me a show and run this radio station. At 15? Yeah, I came in with a bunch of press clippings

from Just Jared Jr. Oh my gosh. Because Just Jared Jr. used to write on all of my interviews. I would do like, you know, like Nathan Cress of iCarly or like Mitchell Musso or like, and it would all be over the phone, you know? Nobody would ever do things in person with me really. And it would be on the phone.

And then just Jared Jr. would write about the interview. So I went into this guy's office with all my press clippings and samples of my radio show. And I was like, dude, you got to hire me. I'm perfect for this. Oh my gosh. And I just convinced him over a couple of weeks and they did. Did they give you money? Were you giving flat fee or were you doing like a split?

In that moment, I was only making $12,000 a year before taxes. Which is crazy for 15. I made $0 a year at 15. Yeah, totally. It was something. Yeah, that's amazing. But, you know, I would go on to make $12,000 a year at that point for many, many, many years until I end up like growing a radio show into something bigger and somebody else buys it. So what this offered me was this idea that I could explore and create a radio show with just friends that I could find around. And I had an incredible space and studio to build a radio

show in. And I just literally would come in every day with what was to throughout my day in school. I would like write things I would see around me in school and like things I was feeling. And I'd crumple up the notes and put it in my pocket. And then I'd get into the studio every day and I just open up my crumpled up notes and I just did a radio show based on my life. And yeah, it ended up becoming this thing that like at a certain point, like we'd have guests in every day and there'd be kids waiting outside in the lobby. It was wild. It was pretty cool. Was it like, what was the difference between that? Like, cause it sounds like a podcast before podcasting. A hundred percent. If it's like your life. Yeah, it was. Interesting. But you were playing music. Yeah. I was playing music too and

talking about life. It was like a morning radio show um just with people who are much younger like i was 15 16 my producer my co-hosts were super young and that's when we started filming the show and it'd be around then that we start posting to youtube and yeah back then like not a lot of people were filming uh filming radio shows or podcasts and putting them online like howard stern don imus uh some sports radio shows this podcasts and putting them online. Like Howard Stern, Don Imus, uh, some sports radio shows, this guy, Kid Craddock, God rest his soul. Um, all were pioneers in that space. And yeah, I think they're huge. They're big. Like, you know, they're on e-news and stuff like that or e-networks. So that's crazy. Where was it airing? It's YouTube. You

didn't. Wow. But how are you getting like at 14 before all this? Like, how are you getting Mitchell Musso on the phone with you? Cause he was huge back in 2006. Mitchell Musso was like everything. You know what i mean i was convincing publicists like i was sending these pitches like i was able to get my hands on through my parents and imdb pro account back early early early days and this is when like there'd be like this is like when people just started getting used to like putting like willingly putting out their contact information online and uh i i literally would just send. And I would just be on my Blackberry at the time. And my emails were super long and wordy and ridiculous.

And I would just send and send and send until people answered. Wow. So you just sent one out to Mitchell Moose's publicist and they're like, okay, yeah, he'll do it. Yeah. I got to give credit to Debbie Ryan. She was our first, like the first guest that would give me time over the phone. And it was before or right when Suite Life on Deck was starting.

She was huge then too. Yeah. on deck uh was starting huge and too yeah yeah she was starting i mean that was like sweet life on deck was her first disney channel role i think yeah and that would go on to definitely change her life and definitely change mine and she gave me time when nobody else did so i owe her beyond oh my god she on your show has she been on your show recently uh not recently now because she's married to like a musician right yeah the guy from 21 pilots that's wild have you seen their house their house tour it's like so crazy you're such a YouTube girlie. Oh, I'm such like,

yeah, TikTok everything. Like I just consume social media. Like I couldn't tell you one song or thing she was on but I just know everything about Debbie Ryan because of the interviews and stuff. All over the Architectural Digest.

Yes, I'm like, I'm on it. I love it. And I kind of love her just because I've always seen her interviews, you know, being kind of like wacky or whatever, you know, the history channel.

I made history, you know, like that thing. So I know her from the memes but that's it. She's really talented. We should have her on again I would love that if she was like your first

like guest she'd be like oh my god look at me now yeah it was her on like a local weatherman wait really who was it

do you know his name Bill Evans from Wayne New Jersey WABC TV which is out of New York City but yeah yeah yeah wow oh you know I'm from

Wayne New Jersey of course cause my chemical romance is from New Jersey so I know all the New Jersey people that's right Frank Iero yes have you ever

you had him on yes Yes, but we've never had Gerard on, no. I mean, when that happens, you'll be there. Every time I see you, I will mention Gerard Way, and I just really am putting it out there. Every interview I do, they're like, who's your dream guest? I say, Britney Spears, Gerard Way. I, you know, I saw you comment on Britney's post. Yeah, I had a lot of ups. She has a book coming out,

and she doesn't want to talk to any journalist, and I'm like, girl, like, I'm not a journalist. Come here. She lives, like, within minutes from me. She can just hop on over. Yeah, like. I'm just, like, too big of an Uber fan. She might be kind I'm like, girl, like, I'm not a journalist. Come here. She lives, like, within minutes from me. She can just hop on over. Yeah, like. I'm just, like, too big of an Uber fan. She might be kind of, like, scared of me. I've been trying to get a Britney Spears interview for many years. I'm surprised you haven't.

I've been working on it. Have you gotten close? Have you talked to the people? I have. Yeah, I've talked to teams. We've had some decently serious discussions. Oh, my gosh. So she comes on.

I'll be, like, your intern. You'll be, I mean. I'll be your co-host. Tell Dan he's out for the day. I honestly think that this would be, like, a safe space for her. Oh, my gosh. If she comes on, I'll be like your intern. I'll be your co-host. Tell Dan he's out for the day. I honestly think that this would be like a safe space for her. Oh my gosh. That'd be everything. Well, hopefully one of us will get it. We'll put it out to the universe.

Well, if you get it, we just want to broadcast it live on Amp. No! They pass on me. Sorry about Amp. We are just Trish and Moses getting the You're too professional. We're just like in the run of the mill, just out in my basement. By the way, like that's when the greatest stuff is made. And I can make the case every day that like some of the most eventful, interesting, exciting radio that I've ever built was from my bedroom and from my first radio studio ever.

And like just doing it and like real talk. Like we've done the show for now like 16 years or something. That's crazy. And it's only within the last like eight to ten years I ever like really started making money. I just really just did this thing because I knew it was going to be something and I gave every ounce of myself to it, like everything I had. And in doing that, you throw everything at the wall and you see what sticks. And ultimately like we did some incredible bits and crazy radio over the years in ways that like, I can't even fully comprehend. And all of it started in the most scrappy and started still exists in the most

scrappy way possible. And like, yeah, like aesthetically, we look like we have our shit together. We don't. I mean, you know, you're on Amazon. That's like literally the biggest, you can't get bigger than that, but it's genuinely you're on Amazon that's like literally the biggest you can't get bigger than that but it's genuinely genuinely a luxury that's come our way as of January and you put in 16 years so like that makes sense and at the end of the day too it's also like balancing and and knowing what really what it takes to make great conversation and great radio or great podcast or just great content that is built in a genuine conversational way and ultimately at the end of the day you don't need crazy resources to do it.

You just need to be the right person. Yeah, I agree. And you are, like truly. Thanks. I know I saw everyone having a podcast. I'm like, you know, I should just do one because like every single person in the world has a podcast. I'd go on TikTok and I'd see like just the most random people

with like two followers doing it. I'm like, I need to do one. Like, why am I not doing this? It's so hard. What's the craziest? You said you had a lot of crazy ones from back in the day. What's your craziest interview story? Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever?

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Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. See app for details. Like just wild, like good or bad. We had Tan Mom on pretty, do you know Tan Mom? Oh, that's very random. That's like 2009. Yeah, we had Tan Mom on like 2009, 2008. I think before she was like popping on Howard. I don't know. We got a pitch.

She asked to come on and we said yes. Oh, she asked? Yeah, she had a publicist. Oh my gosh pitch. She asked to come on and we said yes. Oh, she asked? Yeah, she had a publicist. Oh my gosh. And we were like, sure, we'll do it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that memory just showed up on my Facebook the other day.

What do you even ask? How do you research someone like Tan Mom who's not a public figure? So at this moment, I think she was making a lot of headlines because she was being accused of putting her young daughter in a tanning bed. And she was trying to clear her name while also, I guess, not trying to build something off of this, but it was all in the middle of all these allegations. It was really unique. What was she trying to build? What was she trying to do? Some sort of brand, some sort of fame.

Like Kate Gosselin or something? Yeah, it's just something. It was a very unique time back then because people wanted reality shows. Yeah. And now I think it's a little different. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I still think the big ones are the reality shows, Yeah. And now I think it's a little different. Yeah, well, I don't know. I still think the big ones are the reality shows,

like Kardashian's Love is Blind. I feel like the Love is Blind people said they make six figures just a year doing promotion and stuff. That's wild. Yeah, one person quit their job. I forget her name. She was on the Chicago episode. And she quit her job being, I don't know, some medical technician.

And she's like, I make more money being an influencer. I was like, that's crazy. Is that sustainable? I don't know. That's a good like, I make more money being an influencer. I was like, that's crazy. Is that sustainable? I don't know. That's a good question. I try to think of influencers. Like who's the influencers you watched like when you were young? Like who's the originals?

Are they still around? I remember trying to get like Dave Days on my show. Do you remember him? He was on. Wasn't he? Was he on your show? Yeah, a long time ago. Like even years ago.

He was another. Oh my God. I want Dave Days on this show. I forgot about him. He did all that music. Do you remember Michael Buckley? What the fuck? Yeah, of course. He was like destined to...

He was on like Kelly Ripa. Yes, everybody thought he was going to be the biggest thing on the world. What happened? Do they make so much money they're just done? Or do they just get over it? I don't know. You never interviewed him? I think I always tried to get him on my show and then it was somebody who just at the time

just wouldn't say yes for whatever reason. That's okay. When he was really popular. Yeah. But I don't know. Remember, what was popular back then? I don't even remember what the number was to constitute popular. Like a million.

I think if you have a million subscribers and a million views, it was a lot. You look like Dave Days right now. Dude, I love it. I kind of do. He got Miley Cyrus in his video. Remember that? Yeah. And I was like, oh, because his chick was always having the Miley Cyrus stand cardboard

cut out, and then he finally got her in the video, and I was like, oh my gosh. That's at her height. Do you remember the Miley Cyrus moment that ends up shaping Twitter at the time? She's the first celebrity, I believe, in the comment section. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she's the first celebrity that leaves Twitter in a very real way. No, I don't remember this. Wait, what?

So she leaves Twitter first. And then there's this girl who threatens to eat her cat if Miley won't return to Twitter. And I somehow get an interview with Miley Cyrus. No, I didn't see this one. It was the first interview I did with Miley Cyrus. Oh, my God. She's been on the show three times. And this is the first time. Oh, my God. And I get first interview I did with Miley Cyrus. Oh my god. She's been on the show three times and this is the first time.

Oh my god. And I get an interview with her. It's backstage at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey. Z100 does her interview first. I go second. And we have a great conversation. And in the middle, I have to bring up this girl who's threatening to eat her cat. You did? If she won't go back to Twitter. No. I did. Oh my god. Did she go back to Twitter then?

I believe her answer was no, but we can look this up. You can all quote me. What did she say in your interview? I don't really remember. She's like, why are you asking me this? Because you ask questions. I don't like to ask. If Ariana Grande came on today, I would never ask her about Ethan Slater.

I'd just be like, hey, girl, the pink cloud is great. I would ask those questions. But you ask those deep questions like that. I do. And that's scary to me. I don't know. Do you not get like nervous asking these celebrities, especially when back then you weren't like who you are now? Well, that was, you know, it was different.

Like back then I knew I wanted to get this question out because the internet was talking about it and I wanted to know. Like more than anything, I just needed to know. So wherever I shoved it in, I needed to know. And in that moment I was doing interviews really in smaller increments of time time so I probably only that interview may be like nine minutes it's very small but as I progress like the phone interviews I used to do for my house were long and then when I would go out and do things like with Miley Cyrus for the first time short but then we get eventually like we can get an hour with Miley and she comes on Malibu era and it's an amazing interview and it's iconic and she's incredible and just awesome.

Awesome. Awesome. It's easier to ask questions that are really deep and meaningful and personal when you have time with somebody because you're establishing something and you're really talking to them. And I genuinely care. Like, and I hope you feel that when you've come on our show. Always. Like, I'm emotionally drained after interviews because I leave it out there and that's how I know it's a good guest. And God's truth,

not every guest is created equal. And there's some guests I leave and I'm like, did I really just do that? You know, or some guests I go into and I go, why am I doing this? And it ends up being great. So it can go both ways, but I give it everything. Yeah. You can tell you put so much, the first time I was interviewed, I remember you knew so much, like you put so much time and care into research, which is why I love it. I don't think any other podcast. There'll be podcasts I do and they wouldn't know I was married. They wouldn't know. You know, like that kind of stuff.

And you put so much. You know like every little thing about everybody. It's amazing. How long does it take you to research a guest before they come on? Pretty long. Like a day? It could take longer. I have help now and she just joined in... When did you join? May. join oh you're a researcher oh my gosh how exciting what a cool job that's like a dream job she joined in may

oh i love researching like i love researching guests that's why i love to do it like i love to like find out everything about everybody it is fun right it's so fun like when i started walking obviously i watched your show but then there's like so many like deep dives of just like you know the like round table thing you're doing now and stuff and like's so interesting. And then your article, I paid for the New York Times article. I didn't even know that you said that. I was like, haha, I thought he was joking or something. I didn't know they did an article and I read it and it was so good. I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Why did they put it behind a paintball

though? I made Trisha Paytas pay for the New York Times. I paid $4 and I probably will pay it for the rest of my life because I never cancel anything. It's probably going to keep charging me. You're welcome. I know. Why behind a paintball? Was it printed? Yeah, it was printed. Yeah. I love a print article.

If someone wants to do a print article on me, I say yes 100%. You have to. Because it's real and it's tangible and it's just old school. I know. I love it so much. Was that your first major... I mean, obviously people did articles about you. Was that your first major one?

That was, yeah. That was a big one. New York Times. That's crazy. And they profiled me. Wow. It was wild. Yeah, you got all the pictures.

They did a photo shoot. The way they described it, though, I don't know what studio you were in at the time. They're like, you're in like a hole in the wall or like in the ceiling or something. I'm like, what studio was that? That was so, this was like a very, a couple months of time. So I end up, I have this big radio show that we did. So, okay, a little timeline and then I'll get into it. I leave this like second radio company that I ended up working for.

Is this the one you got canceled from? Well, so, okay. The one I get, I didn't get canceled. Everyone's like Zach saying show's canceled. I was like, what? So you had the biggest guess. Okay. It is, it is interesting. It wasn't necessarily canceled. It was, we didn't come to terms on a contract in God's truth. I didn't want to work in an, in an arena that was just backwards and antiquated in their practice and anti-audience and anti-artists in how they operate. And that was the company I used to work for. And I was done with that. I just, I had no bandwidth for it anymore.

And I didn't want to be a part of it. What ends up happening is like, I have this internet radio show. I then work for Nickelodeon. And then I'm at Nickelodeon for a couple years doing stuff on TV and random stuff around. And then I end up starting an FM radio show

in syndication. It's like, the year's like 2012. And what we ended up doing was taking my show that I used to do on the internet and building it for FM radio. And I sell it independently from station to station, one at at a time until we end up hitting 90 stations or 80 something like high eighties, something like that. Uh, like maybe 10 years

later. Wow. And it ends up becoming like pretty much the largest pop nighttime radio show still to ever exist. And we're on everywhere from like Salt Lake City to Houston, Texas to Burlington, Vermont to Keene, New Hampshire. I mean, Toronto. So conservative states too. Everywhere. Pentacola, Mobile, Jackson, Mississippi. Like really cities big and small. And we end up doing something that no other radio show was able to do there, which was be a really young, progressive voice that didn't talk at the audience, but talked with them and to them.

And it was just a totally different approach to nighttime radio. It was me and my friends living life every day, exactly what I used to do on the internet. I just brought to FM radio and it ended up working really well. And the ratings were really high and it was successful, both in communities, big and small all across North America but also online like that's when you used to come on the show for the first time

so big your show was huge you were doing everyone like BTS like all these people it was crazy I mean we had like 2 million people

listening at night yeah it was something that's insane for like radio yeah crazy I mean for even YouTube

now it's crazy to get 2 million views but listening is even crazier to downloads all that stuff and this was FM like people were in their car

that's crazy oh my god and how long were you on for a night were you on like a few hours oh yeah 5 hours a night wow is even crazier to downloads all that stuff. And this was FM. Like people were in their car. That's crazy. Oh my God. And how long were you on for a night? Were you on like a few hours? Oh yeah. Five hours a night. Wow. And for 10 years.

Oh my. Wait, so that's the one that canceled. Yeah. So that was recent, right? Like a couple of years ago. Yeah. The contract comes to an end. Our last contract with them was seven years and we ended up, we couldn't come to terms

on what was next. And at the end of the day, like I said before, like I wanted to work somewhere that wanted to create an experience both from a listening and viewing perspective that was pro audience and pro artists. And that's what Amazon music does. And that's what Amazon's amp does. Like what we're creating is the future of radio and what DSPs are doing right now is it has the ability to really change the way music has already changed the way music is received and is interacted with. But it's going to get even deeper. And I do believe that like radio is amazing and radio is a big place in society and culture.

And making radio was the most fun I've had. And I continue to have fun in new ways. But like it was just something different. It was something just to be through an FM signal coming through your car. Like everybody knows the radio stations they grew up with. You know, everybody knows KISS FM, everybody knows Z100, like everybody knows KRBE in Texas or B96 in Chicago. Like it's just staples. They're just things that pillars that so many generations have been molded around and built around. So to be on those stations is an incredible honor and a responsibility I never took lately and something I may never,

ever do again. And I'm okay with that. I'm completely okay with that because of what places like Amazon and places like amp and Spotify and Apple are doing to push music forward in the real way. But also at the same time, like the only reason radio is going away over time is because radio companies and radio industry has done it to themselves. Like

if you take an hour, which most people won't because it's such a bad experience, but if you take an hour or 42 minutes to listen to Kiss FM, do it. It's horrendous. You're going to hear the same song two times on a minimum you'll sit through 25 minutes of commercials 18 at a minimum it's it's they program against themselves do you not have commercials on yours no none no we do youtube adsense and stuff and we just started we just started rolling in a mid-roll so but in select episodes here and there so like you're doing how long on amp how long i do three hours a day three hours a day and is hours a day. And is it on demand? I guess I'm still confused.

Yeah, it's live and on demand. Okay, so you can re-listen to episodes. 100%. So the stuff you put on YouTube is part of that show. You're just putting the interviews on there? Yeah, the interviews go up to YouTube and then our show clips end up going to TikTok and stuff, show clips and interview clips. But the show lives on amp first, then on demand on amp, and then you can grab the podcast

wherever you listen to podcasts. And then when are you putting in music like when are you like djing music i'm playing like in real time like as we're talking i'm playing music that is needed for the day but also music that's relevant to the conversation we're talking now there's a song playing no if we're talking now like i don't know we talk about uh i love you moses i can then play i love you moses like a real radio show oh that's so cool that's really cool i don't know. We talk about I Love You, Moses. I can then play I Love You, Moses like a real radio show. Oh, that's so cool. That's really cool. I didn't know that.

So your guests are there and you're just like, wait a second, let me play some music. And you just are sitting there vibing to the music? Well, sometimes it's the music of the guests. Like, we'll go track by track of an album with somebody, you know, and listen to their album with them. So that's why, I mean, obviously they love you, but that would be a huge benefit to someone trying to promote their music. Totally. Oh, so you listen to a whole album on air? Oh, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. I'll tell you something cooler. I was one of the first in the modern era to play entire albums on FM radio. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, we'd have Ariana Grande in or BTS or Justin Bieber in. And we'd do album listening sessions where the interview would take you through the album track by track and we'd play the entire thing

on fm radio stations all over the country yeah that one interview i had with ariana there was like a ton of like kids sitting behind her or something like that party what was that about and why i want to do that that's not what wait was it kids though is that kind of weird i don't know no not kids they were like yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I don't know why there are a bunch of little kids like sitting behind her, like jamming to music. And I was like, what is this? What's happening? No, no children.

Just, uh, yeah. Real age fans, uh, legal age fans. And she was like, she just wanted to do something different. And we, we do something for every album that she releases and we have for a very long time. And she just wanted to throw a slumber party or she wanted to invite fans in and then it ended up morphing into the slumber party and like all good things that came together super last minute and i'm pretty sure within 48 hours we flew 32 people into la and housed them in our studio and got i mean lovesacks and everything needed for a slumber party. And yeah. Were you sponsored

by love sack? No sponsorship. Oh, because they were like hardcore sponsoring everyone back in the day. I wish. No, they actually hated me because I was like, I need love sacks and they're like, we don't really have time to get them to you that quickly. I'm like, what can you do? Where do you have them? They're like, we have floor samples. So I'm like, okay. That works. I sent

out an army of Tass Raviders to grab all the floor samples oh my gosh from all the Love Sack stores in like in LA SoCal area yeah I didn't even know they had stores well they probably don't anymore huh did they flop I don't know oh they are yeah we want them to be a sponsor hi Love Sack yeah no we love actually we have one that we can't get rid of because it's too heavy it's just stuck up there forever we've been trying to get rid of it forever don't you want a love sack? They're going to stick to you forever.

Yes, you can. You need like two people to move them. It's stuck in our house. We have this big black one upstairs that's just like a big blob just stuck there forever. They were a vibe for a minute, but then I'm like, wait, I'm an adult. I don't need one of these. They're like a giant bean bag. It's kind of everything. Are you guys excited for Ariana's Wicked? Are you still friends with her? Of course. Is she okay?

Is she doing good? Yeah. Okay. She's doing great. I always am like, you know when you hear stuff, you're like, God, I kind of feel bad. Like, everyone's coming for her. And then I was kind of like, oh, she's probably fine. She's already a granny.

She doesn't care. You know what I mean? You know, there was like a whole thing. We don't talk about it, but. I'm team Ariana, by the way. Even though I probably shouldn't be. People are probably like, no, be a granny. I don't know.

I just love her now. I don't know. I used to like never really care, but now that she's been in the news, I'm kind of like, oh, I love her. So is that how you get attracted to somebody? Is it based on the headlines they make? Kind of. It kind of is. And it's weird.

Like her situation this summer, I was kind of like, you know, everyone was kind of like, how could she and stuff like that. But it's like, I just love Wicked. You know what I mean? Like she's like Linda. So I'm going to be T-Marg. I just love like, I don't know. I just like a pretty girl too I think she's just so pretty she gets away with so much you know what I mean not to say she's a bad person

I'm just saying I'm glad she's okay she's not a bad person at all yeah no she seems sweet genuinely one of the greatest human beings to ever exist in my life and ultimately at the end of the day I think you know everybody sees what they see and everybody only gets a certain glimpse of it of course yeah but ultimately like genuinely genuinely one of the most genuinely kind-hearted caring human beings to ever enter my life and taught me what it means to be a friend and yeah she i would die for her i'd murder for her i will ride for her for the rest of my life i love that you gotta understand like and this is what i'll say and i'll talk about all day I started my radio show because I had no friends. Like, I started looking for community and looking for understanding.

And when I say, like, I genuinely, like, I existed. I really didn't have anybody. And I sought radio and this show, and I built it to hopefully find and build something. And I could never have imagined in a trillion years what would come of it in so many different ways. Both the community of people that exist on the other side of the speaker and the people who have sat in the studio looking at me like you, who have had impact on my life and created lasting and enduring relationships that I hope will stand the test of time forever.

And she is one of them. And I am eternally grateful. I mean, you know, she and Liz and so many people have come on our show at the very beginning of a ride that I think everybody dreamed of to a certain degree, but you never really expect, you know? Yeah. And I'm just so eternally grateful. And she's a real best friend and a real beautiful person. And yeah, she's amazing. I love that. I miss, I always thought I had genuine friends. And then, you know, over time you like, it just doesn't work out.

And you're just like, damn, I really miss having, like, I don't have any genuine friends. And maybe it's me. Maybe I am like the problem of this because I don't have any genuine friends. But when I hear stuff like that, when you ride so hard for someone like ups and downs, and of course she's like just up, up, up, I'm not saying she's having it down, but it's like, I just love that so much. It makes me feel like, I don't know, there's hope for people, especially you, you saying you have no friends and you come in here with like, you have a whole group of friends that love you. You have people who respect you so much. Like you probably are the most respected interviewer on the platform, right? Like there's no one else. I think that, thank you. Coming from you, like in so many, in so many

different facets, like it means the world. I think there's a lot of other really incredibly respected people who do what we do. And it's weird. Like, like two days ago, I was like, I was thinking like, if you could pull together all the great interviewers on YouTube, who would really be on that list? And it's like, you know, know I think Sean Evans Zane Lowe uh Lex Friedman Joe Rogan to a certain degree whether that is polarizing in a statement or not you can't ever take back his impact on culture and the sway that those interviews have had on the way people perceive his guests uh Howard Stern is one um maybe I'm missing a couple but please fill in the blanks. But Howard Stern's also like 60-something.

And aside from him, I don't know any of the people. Joe Rogan I've heard of. I've never seen his show. But everyone else has never. You know what I mean? As far as like, not to say they're not big, but you're the one every single person knows. Influencers come through. TikTokers. You shifted now into like TikTokers. You're a social media. You're like a podcaster now. I love it. I take

your guests. I saw Jerry Jones. I'm like, Terry Jones oh you did Zach's thing let's come over here I really do DM everybody who comes on your show I'm like well they'll come on mine too you need to know that everybody tells me when you mention our show really yeah oh my god Carlos camera shout out to Carlos he brings it up every time come in the next day he goes you were on Trish last night

oh my god I love Trish talked about you every interview I do I just watch your interview let me just piggyback off that because you were on Trish last night. Oh my God, I love. Trish talked about you. Yeah, well, because every interview I do, I just watch your interview. I'm like, well, let me just piggyback off that. Because you ask good questions, but sometimes, and obviously you go so long, but I'm like, oh man, I wish I wouldn't have borrowed that. Because Dairy Joe, you were really good.

Or Keylon, you did really good because, you know, he doesn't have much out there either. So I was like watching his interview and he got like. The Hot Honey McCrispy is so back at McDonald's with juicy 100% Canadian raised seasoned chicken, shredded lettuce,

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Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Really deep with him. I really love talking to people, and I really love getting to know people, and I love, I got to give it to my mom. Like, I'm very, I am an empathetic person. Yes, like, you know, by the way, being in love and having, being in a relationship. In love. Oh, totally, yeah. How long has it been?

Oh, not long enough to be in love, but I'm definitely in love. Oh, I didn't love him like the first day. I'm kidding. No, oh, that's so cute. I fall in love right away. I like talk about marriage within a week. Yeah, I think it's okay.

And I've only had like two relationships like that, so you know what I mean? So you fell in love with Moses instantly? Yeah, oh my God. I think I talked about wanting to get married within like a week. Really? And I was being so serious

because we met the first week of quarantine and I was just like, I want to marry you and blah, blah, blah. And he was definitely more like slow. You know, he was like trying within like a week. Really? And I was being so serious because we met the first week of quarantine and I was just like, I want to marry you and blah, blah, blah. And he was definitely more like slow, you know, he was like trying to like slow down. And this is also the time I was doing OF. So he was kind of like, I don't really know. That's not really like my style. Like, so I did a summer of OF and then we dated and then, but then once we started actually dating, it was three months till we got engaged.

So did you really give up OnlyFans to make this relationship work? Yes. Yes. I can say that because when I met him, there was like two months where I was making like millions of dollars a month, you know, I was making maybe two to four million dollars a month and I could have kept going and trust me, that's a lot for me because in my whole life, I mean, I barely, you know, I maybe made 10 million in my whole career or whatever, but like that's like in a month, you know what I mean? So yeah. And I remember when we first started dating, it was August 1st.

And I had just right before that, a week before that, I did like two videos that made me a ton of money. And I was like, ooh, like I'm like, so I kind of like snuck it in there again. I was like, oh, it's like, but if it's work, maybe I should. He's like, I just am not comfortable for a day. So I understood that. And I was like, you know what? Honestly, I'd rather be with this guy because he's like, he was so sweet.

Like he saved my life. Like so many times I like just drug binges. I was on that summer. He would just come pick me up. Like we weren't even dating. So he like really was there for me. So I was like, you know what? Maybe this is a better path to go down.

I loved doing a left though. It was like, it was fun for me at the time, but yeah, it was the love, you know, when you just know you're like, no, this is something. So let me just get this. So I think you do know how long have you said a month. But by the way, like that's a challenge that he pushed you to. And now you find fulfillment and financial, you know, compensation and a bunch of different ways.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's, it's great. It's honestly, and that is true. After, after I stopped doing that, you know, I still made money on OF and then there was other venues that just made me, you know, and the bottom line is like, I always can find ways to make money, you know, it's just like, whatever it is, you know, I just always find ways, but I do believe in love at first sight.

Like I do. What's the most inventive way you've ever concocted to get by oh my gosh i guess like oh but like i used to do like a lot of things like for i used to do like facetime calls with like you know just fans and stuff like that like i guess i just always hustled like i don't know hmm trying to think money wise i always did youtube youtube always did well for me when youtube started going down i did Patreon which was kind of like selling huh? Patreon was like I sold nudes because you couldn't like touch yourself on Patreon but I was like

selling nudes on there I think I've always done work in the sex industry you know what I mean because I still have an OF and it still makes money but it's like old content so like new people who find me find it whatever so like that content still makes I mean it carried us through the past you know like past couple years and stuff like that so it was yeah um giddy up yeah but also money is a flow like i'm someone who's like i literally have so much money and then i have like no money

and i honestly am fine either way like truly well i was interested like when i found out that you were saving up for something i didn't really understand what that meant recently yeah like you saved up for some uh birkin thing oh wow that's a whole other thing yeah that's like i if i want to buy a new purse or boots then i try to sell like an old purse like i'm trying to be more okay so when i was doing youtube i was making like you know like at some point i was making 150 000 a month 200 which is like good for adsense right and then with the ad reads you're making 250 300 000 a month but every month for like 10 years i'd be back down to zero i would spend the whole thing all of it and i never would like save and then so I didn't know how to save until I met Moses. I never owned a house

because I was like, I always say the story, but like, I always thought if you wanted a $4 million house, you needed a 4 million in the bank. So I'm like, well, I'm never going to save $4 million. So let me just spend my 150,000. You know what I mean? So that's all I did. And I did all the music videos. My music videos have cost me like $10 million over the years. Are you looking at selling your catalog? Yes, actually. People have reached out to me. It's so low. People wanted to buy I Love You Jesus, just the song alone for $150,000.

But I was like, that's like a million dollar song, right? Yeah, easy. No, but people have asked. But it's mostly big companies. I think I have to go with the private investor route because I've heard people selling their catalog for like, you know, I always say this one. Scotty Cyrus sold his catalog for like $1.3 million. And I was like, if he can do it for $1.3,

I'll sell mine for like $1.3, you know? I mean, you can easily get that. Yeah. You're talking about real art. Thank you. Somebody was like, if you can do it for 1.3, I'll sell mine for like 1.3, you know? I mean, you can easily get that. Yeah. You're talking about real art. Thank you. Somebody was saying one of your pieces should be in the Smithsonian. Which one? The King Tut?

People live for that. I just did a magazine cover and they're like, well, you just put King Tut for it. I was like, and it's a big one. And it like comes, I don't know, it comes out in like a week or something. And I was like, that's, they brought a stylist to like style me as like fancy King Tut. And I was like, this is the most bizarre thing. But thank you. I appreciate that.

It's so funny how TikTok will do that. Just like, we'll make you viral for the most random things. It is crazy. But when you talk about your love, you said you're in love. Yeah. Is this like, and this is your first relationship?

Yeah. A month, you said it's been a month or a month? I don't know. Kelsey's been keeping track, six weeks. Six weeks. Oh, I love that. Do you guys celebrate every week? Cause I love that.

We should be. That is what you should do. You need to celebrate every day. Six weeks. Six weeks. Oh, I love that. Do you guys celebrate every week? Because I love that. We should be. That is what you should do. You need to celebrate every day. We do. What day is the anniversary? Like, when did you guys first start dating? I cannot tell you that. You don't know the number? No. Like, the first ours was August 1st. Oh, wow. We met March 14th, but we started dating August

1st. See, like, it was very low-key when I asked him to be his boyfriend. Wait, you don't know the exact date oh my gosh yeah you have the best crew ever look at you i'm so happy you're like thriving in life i still have no friends i don't relate to you you're like i need friends like me too but you have this like crew that loves and supports you knows the date that you started dating you 24th you said i needed that, oh, so that's, yeah, that's over a month. Congrats. Thank you so much. Did you guys celebrate a month at least? No. Yeah, we will. Oh my God. You're so cute too. Like I didn't know what your type would be. When I saw the outline, I'm like, God, I don't even know what your type would be. You've always been with gorgeous

models. I will say not to bring up anything, but when you had the wedding, you had a gorgeous model too. I was like, God, I just hang out with models all the time. Not to, I don't know. I don't know what that situation is, but you're, but you're better looking. You literally look like a model. I was like, it's crazy. Look at you.

You pull a good one. I don't even know if you're nice or whatever, but you're good looking. Incredible. He's so, so sweet. You have such a cool haircut too. He has like a night.

You both have nineties haircut. You look like you're in boy meets world. You look like you're twin peaks. You gotta look them up. Oscar edited in there. It's like side by side Boy Meets World. You look like you're Twin Peaks. You gotta look them up. Oscar edited in there side by side because it looks so good. So you're in love. Are you two living together? Yeah, we do live together. Oh my god.

I mean, literally since the day we met, we have not left. He moved in that day. You didn't even go back to your apartment once, right? And you gave up the apartment. Wow. But that was us too. We were together every day. We met during quarantine and we were together every single day too.

And it's like so intense when you don't know someone to be together every day. Totally. It can be like a lot. For me, was it an adjustment for you to have him? Because like when he was at my place, I was just like, sometimes I'd be like on edge. I'd be like, I don't know when I'm going to get my work done. I don't know. Or did you find balance easily?

It's weird. I think I found balance pretty easy. But I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. uh, you know, the people I work with were telling me I was showing up late for, for a big string of time. No, when you start dating someone, you'd like, you show up late. You like, you're just in the love bubble and you just are like, yeah. So you're like, Oh, sorry. Like, I'll get, I mean, I missed so many things, you know, but we did, I was supposed to do Adam Carolla's podcast the second day we, or third day we were together and I slept in and my hair and makeup people were they were so scared we thought you died they saw his like

car they're like we thought you were dead because i like slept in and i didn't i didn't know how to tell them because it was only our third morning together and i was like do you leave do you stay i'm like i don't know how to tell my glam it was very i mean it was fine you kind of stayed through the glam actually i don't know it was you know it's like an adjustment yeah but see you need to do that and that's exactly he like was thrown in instantly like so we went on we just hung out i don't even think we went on a date did we not even leave the house we we hung out didn't leave he wouldn't kiss me for like a couple days oh well that's nice yeah i guess yeah it's nice it was no it's the right thing it's the right speed right speed we had sex the

first night i always did with everybody i'm like one of those people where they're like, don't do it. No guy will take you seriously. I always did. And it's like. Why? I got a couple. Yeah. Just get out of the way.

Yeah. I don't. I think it's like so natural. Like if you're attracted to someone. Right. I don't know. Why do people wait? That's what I want to know.

Why do people not do it? Yeah. Like, why would you wait? Why would you wait to kiss someone? Like if you like are attracted to them. And to me, a kiss is like literally nothing. Like I'd kiss you. You know, I'd kiss anybody. It's like, oh, you want to kiss? Okay. Thanks if you, like, are attracted to them. And to me, a kiss is, like, literally nothing. Like, I'd kiss you. You know, I'd kiss anybody.

It's like, oh, you want a kiss? Okay. Thanks. I've been getting pretty good at kissing. I mean, I was good at kissing for a while because it was all I was doing. But, you know, I'm figuring. Are you a good kisser? Am I a good kisser?

He is. Really? Oh, my gosh. There's no complaints so far, right? Yeah. It surprised me. Yeah, it surprises me, too, because we're a lot alike and i'm a terrible kisser so i would not think i'm like don't know how to kiss interesting yeah we're both kind of

bad kissers but that's why it works yeah we're really bad kissers so we don't kiss much like we'll do packs but he really doesn't like to make out and i'm not good at it so it just makes it easy what are you the best at um everything else i'm supposed to just laying. Starfish? Yeah, starfish. Starfish, but now that I have a big belly, I kind of just go on my belly. Now I just flop back and forth. So what is that called? That's like, it's like doggy, but if the doggy died.

Just flat on your stomach. He's really great that way, because since I've gained weight, I'm just like, I can't. I can't get on top. I can't do any of that. It's just so, it's so much work. I'm going to lose weight to get there, but I can't do it now. Getting on top is so hard. Are you losing weight for you, though? Well, I'm not losing weight, period, right now.

You don't need to. You look stunning. No, I want to lose weight for me. I would love to have a transformation. I don't know when that's going to happen, but it's not today. I just love to eat. We love to eat together, so I love eating. I love cooking. I love seeing you guys together. But you lost weight. Oh, thanks. What'd you do? Did you do Ozempic? No, no, no, no. I'm not going to lie. Very tempted to do Ozempic from time

to time. I have been. You've never done it? No, no, no. I have friends that have done it. But no, I've never done it. What have you been doing? Just love. I guess just love has been making you grow up. Love? And I just think honestly, just being aware and honestly, yeah, it's being aware.

I think I really, I gained a decent amount of weight and I've just been working on losing it and will continue to do so. What's being aware, like calories or just what you eat? What I eat in a day and how much I'm eating and like also why am I eating it? I think that's the biggest thing I had to ask myself was like, what was driving that?

And in a lot of cases it was like kind of sadness or distraction or whatever it was and really distraction and now like you know I eat because you know I need to eat but also at the same time I eat to enjoy it with people around me as opposed to like me being alone sad eating whatever well that's the that's the catch-22 of it all that's a double-edged sword because it's like I would eat when I was sad and depressed but now that I'm happy I love eating dinner together because I'm like oh I have someone to eat with And that's why I do think I'm about to gain weight again. The love weight.

Yes. And it's like a weight of comfort a little bit. And that's not great. Yeah. I'm lucky because like, I get it. I get it. Because I get a lot of people. I get the idea.

Like if your partner gains 30 pounds, you're like not attracted to them anymore. I've been lucky because like I have gained 40 pounds since I met Moses. So like, you know, I think if you're really in love, you don't care. Like I don't see it really in me. And I don't know. I don't know. And I was going to say that, like, as you were talking about just, like, you guys together, I just get this vibe that you are the couple that, like, no matter what happens physically.

Yeah. It doesn't, like, I don't think that you ride. Yeah. I feel that way, too. But I don't want to get too comfortable and don't want to be, like, not, you know, not attractive to him for him anymore either. It's a catch. It's, like, hard.

Especially when I was, like, pregnant and stuff like that. But, yeah, it's a struggle. I don it's like hard especially when i was like pregnant and stuff like that but yeah it's a struggle i don't know i always just try to look presentable but like the weight thing i'm always a little self-conscious about i would love to be skinny i would love to be 100 pounds to be amazing also at the same time like you wouldn't be you yeah people say that i always wonder i'm always like god if i lost weight like i would love to lose like 150 pounds or something like that but i just love food i honestly i would i get depressed when i start dieting i get depressed after like a couple days like if i like restrict myself from eating pasta, I get sad about it.

How did you do it the last time you lost weight? I never did. You didn't? I've never lost – oh, well, when I was on meth in 2019. That was the last time. When I saw you, I think I – the first episode, I was thin with you. The second one, I was big. This last one, I just had baby.

I lost weight here and there if I did drug use and stuff like that. No, but didn't – I never lost weight, no. Oh, my God. Not healthy or any winning. I was looking at't. I never lost weight. No. Oh my God. Not like healthy or any winning. I was looking at photos. I think just slowly I've gained it. I just can't tell though. I mean from

the first appearance on your show I was like 180. So I was like, oh, because that was when I was on meth because that was after my breakup. So that was 2019. That was summer of 2019. So I was very just not eating and doing a lot of drugs. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it's crazy time. It's fucking wild. Yeah, you don't do drugs. You don't do anything, right? You're sober. I always smoke weed. You do. Do you now? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of weed. I'm always shocked by people

who smoke weed. No, I mean not anything, but I'm just always shocked because you don't seem like someone who would. Do you smoke weed? No, I, it doesn't affect me. You don't really drink either. I don't drink cause I don't like the taste. Weed. I would try when we first started dating, I would try. It's never affected me. I think maybe I smoke it wrong or something. Maybe I don't swallow it right. I always try to like swallow. I don't know. And even edibles. Like you can tell you I've never, nothing, nothing ever happened.

Yeah. Well, my boyfriend can help you. Really? Are you too? Are you a pothead? I said this before. I asked if you would. He's like, Trisha, why?

No. Oh, no, I'm not opposed to it. I just, I get nothing from it. That's interesting. I wouldn't have known that about you. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting because sometimes people in the comment section will be like I just, I get nothing from it. That's interesting. I wouldn't have known that about you. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting because sometimes people in the comment section will be like,

well, that looks super hot here. But I, you know, I don't smoke that much weed, but I do enjoy it. Yeah. That's so interesting. Yeah. You know, it's, I think there's a lot of really interesting benefits to it. And also at the same time, it's not for everybody. So, you know. So you're 30 now, which is crazy.

So that means like you would be looking to get married soon. Yeah, maybe. Do you want kids? Yeah, totally. Really? Yeah, do you want kids? I can see you being such a good dad. Oh, my God.

Thanks. You would be so – and would you slow down work or would you still go – do you go every day? Yeah, yeah. Like, are you going today? Yeah. I work every day. And I do stuff in addition to the show. And then I'm always looking to do more.

So, yeah. More? Oh, yeah. No, you have to like, especially now that you're in a relationship, you have to like just keep one job, like just do your one job. Otherwise you're going to not have time for the relationship. Unless you can go everywhere. I mean, that works too. Now we work together and we're everywhere together, but. And that's fun, right? Oh, it's the best. It's the best. Like I loved it so much. I think we'll find a balance with it. At the end of the day, I just want to do what I can

while I can. And then on top of that, like, I genuinely believe that there's so much that I want to accomplish creatively and professionally. And, yeah, there's a lot I want to do. Like, by the way, like, one of them being bringing shows to life for other people, no matter what that show is. Producing, yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of different show ideas that I'm working on. And not for me. Like, they don't all need to be for me ever. And also on top of that, like, there's also personal professional goals that I want to hit, like, that are for me. Like they don't all need to be for me ever. And also on top of that, like there's also personal professional goals

that I want to hit, like that are for me and things that I want to host. You know, I would love to host like a show like The Voice one day. Oh my God. Why aren't you doing that then? I would think that's like-

Carson Daly does a really good job. So I don't want, you know- Carson Daly? Is he still around? Oh my God. What? He's very much around. How old is he?

I don't know. He's gotta be like 50. Not in a bad way. Like aging is like, it's a blessing to age. But Carson D he? I don't know. He's got to be like 50. Not in a bad way. Like, aging is a blessing to age. But Carson Daly, I haven't heard that name since like 2001. That's so random. Yeah, he's out there. He's also on the Today Show.

And one of my heroes is Al Roker. And I got a chance to interview with him. I love Al Roker. I did the weather with Al Roker. What? I love it. Yeah. I wore a green dress.

And it was the green screen. It was just the worst idea. It's online. Can somebody pull that up? Yeah. I was on. If you just type in Trish Payne, Al Roker, it should come up. I was on a promo tour for Guinness World Records Unleashed.

It was like a TV show for Guinness World Records. And for some reason, I was promoting it with the host. God, I don't know his name. There was a host. And I have no idea why I was on Good Morning America. I was on it. I was promoting it. I didn't even break the record. And they're like, do you want to go promo the show?

It was very bizarre. At Al Roker, we did the weather. And I did it really fast. It was very weird. There it is. See my green dress? Oh my God, that's iconic. Yeah. Al Roker, we did the weather and I did it really fast. It was very weird. There it is. See my green dress? Oh my God, that's iconic. Yeah. At Roker's over there and yeah, it was crazy. He's amazing. Thank God it

wasn't too green. It just kind of blurted a little bit. It wasn't too bad, but I love he's your hero. He's one of them. Yeah, I love him. Why? He's at the end of the day, I love a show like today's show because you realize that what friendship could be over a TV screen, over a speaker, over a phone screen. Friendship is unwavering.

And friendship and real companionship has the ability to tell you not what you want to hear but what you need to hear. And they will share laughs with you but also share the worst possible news with you. And a show like The Today Show, a show like a good radio show like what Howard Stern has done and Elvis Duran in New York has done, that's what it is, right? It's a group of friends that extend a seat to you and through that rides with you through whatever, whatever life brings. And Al Roker's been on there for so long. He's survived all of them, right? Like Matt Lauer, like they all get kicked out on Al Roker's days. He's a mainstay.

Yeah. And Hoda, I guess Hoda's on the show, right? Hoda's incredible. Savannah Guthrie's incredible. Yeah, really great cast. We could be like Hoda and Kathie Lee. I would give a limb. Oh my God, you're the Hoda.

I'll take it. I'll be the Kathie Lee. Yeah, you can drink some white wine out of a giant mug. Oh my God, they were great. They were such gold. I love it so much. That's so interesting that you like, and you like Carson Daly.

I never was a fan. I like old school media sometimes because I do believe things need to be revitalized and renewed. And even this, like what you're doing, right? What you're doing is a combination of broadcasters who have come before you, right? Wendy. I just love Wendy. You got some Wendy. You have a little Howard. You have a little bit of everything. What's the Howard? I love that. What do you think is the Howard? I think there's a good conversational approach here. It's more than just a hot topics. Yeah. I love, I do love, I do love Howard. He's so great. I love that he's like woke now too. Did

you see recently he said something like he doesn't mind being woke. Like he used to be so shock value and now he's so woke. And to me it's like, that's so, but it's good. It's necessary. Cause when you watch back the clips, like I love Anna Nicole and seeing Anna Nicole on Howard and the way he was like just trying to make her get on the scale. I like made me hate him so much. I was like, God, I hate him. And now he's like back on the swing of things, but he's kind of everywhere. By the way, to go full circle, I think it's just a testament

that like if you're genuine in yourself, everything ends up finding a way to fall into place. And he's done that. Yeah. I don't think he's ever anything that's not himself. Maybe again, like what I was saying earlier, exaggerated versions of oneself. Right.

Same thing with me. Yeah. But at the end of the day, like very much true to him. Yeah. You guys get guests you guys both had demi lovato recently yeah we did that's crazy and your interview with demi like not that i didn't like her but i feel like the media makes you not like her right like they try to make you like think demi's crazy so i was always like oh she's kind of weird um but then your interview i was like god i kind of actually really feel bad for her you know what you're talking about the poop video the poop picture

being like distorted and stuff like that i didn't know and i was like oh god that would suck like you just think you look really ugly in a picture or bad angle or something and i was like oh i kind of feel bad for her kind of like not bad for her but you know i feel like she gets a shit and i feel like a lot of girls do and i feel like the media kind of made her look to be crazy because i was like oh she's kind of crazy you know what i mean oh 100 they just dog pile everything on her you know i was just like yeah the in at the end of the day like like, it just goes to show you, like, you only get to know the real person if you go straight to the source. Yeah. And with us, like, we do not edit our interviews.

The only time there's edits is when the artist or the guest requests an edit. Yes. That's it. And you do that. So we were talking about that beforehand. You were saying if anyone has an issue with your interview, you'll cut it, which not everybody does. Everyone I've been on, they do when I ask them to cut something, but not everyone does that. Everyone will say like, I didn't want that to air. I wanted it to edit, but you will do it if people ask. Oh yeah. Do you ever think to edit for other people?

Like thinking like maybe that shouldn't go out there? No. And I guess maybe that is the wrong thing, but ultimately we create a situation in a setting where you have the ability to speak freely. And I think the biggest issue with things like magazine articles is people will chop your words and use your words as they best see fit. This is your opportunity to come and really open up to whatever, to whatever degree you want to, but then also to use your words, to express yourself and speak freely or as restricted as you want. Like it's totally up to you. We're not going to pry. We're not going to like push you into anything.

And ultimately, if you just want to be the most open, free version of yourself, and then at the end, edit it, you have that right to do so too. It's like, I can't, it's a very unique balance that we have to figure out with everybody. And yeah, ultimately though, my goal and our goal has always, and by our, I mean Dan and I, because Dan has a hand in editing the interviews and he does a lot of the

backend stuff. It's to have people on more than once. Like we've been doing this for so long for a reason. Right. And if there's a narrative out there where people are making it feel like they don't have the ability to edit something before it lives on the internet forever it's just not a true narrative it's just not real and um by the way to our detriment like ultimately are we cutting things that we think could hurt someone no but ultimately everybody knows for the most part that they have the right to do that and for

the most part i mean they know like they should just tell us maybe they don't think because you're such a comfortable person to talk to like you know like i know when i've gone on your show i'm like sometimes i say like too much because i'm like you're just so comfortable sometimes like talking to a friend you know what i mean so i think you don't know till after because i feel like i've gone on your show and i'm with kasha joseph some of those things you know because you're just like you feel comfortable with the other thing we do too all the time it's like if you want to just watch it just let us just let us know we'll send you a link before it goes on and then you can make edits it's like we really try to be the most

valuable people out there because we want to do this based on like creating everlasting relationships that make you want to come back. Like I want you to come back forever. Oh, my God. I love coming to your show. I haven't come to the new – I think you have a new studio since the last time I saw you. Oh, I love it. My only critique of your show is the lighting. Oh, wait.

We'll fix it. It's just like I look – I still look so old. The last time I looked so old and leathery on your show. We'll fix that. And I don't know if it's me or the lighting, but I'm going to blame your lighting. It's not you at all. It's definitely us. I love your show. I love the way you interview. I think it's like so good. What would your, be your personal goal? That's not interviewing other people. Like, do you want people to know you? Like, would you do a reality show? Would you do, cause you do interviews and

like, you don't do a lot, but what would you want people to know about you? What's your goal? Personal goal? I don't know. I don't like, I don't know. Would you want to act, sing? I think one day I'm going to run for public office. Ooh, really? Yeah. Okay. I could see that. Like, um, Senate. Yeah. I may run for, uh, wow. Yeah. Are you into politics? I am. I try not to talk about it on this show because like one time we talked about politics, everyone's like, ah, no matter what you say, everyone like gets some, I don't know anything about politics, but. All I'll say is this on it. I genuinely, with every fiber of my being, believe that in this country, talent is equally distributed, but opportunity isn't. And so much of what we get,

the chance to unlock in our lives is beholden to a few numbers that are our zip code and what's around us. And I think that's deeply, deeply unfair. And I think we can – we will never be able to reach true equality until we realize that access to education, access to healthy food, access to – Daycare. It's a big thing right now. All of it. Daycare. It could be just proper healthcare for anybody. Healthcare is so expensive here.

It's like the only country that has like, like Canada, you get free healthcare. The whole thing makes no sense. Yeah. And so much of what we have access to in our lives is based on the neighborhood we grew up in and the town we grew up in and what was around us. And I think that's unfair.

Really, I believe that like, I'm from New Jersey. I would love for New Jersey to take the education system that exists in their best school that the state has to offer and duplicate that education system in every single school from the tip of the state from the top to the bottom. Whole thing. I think that things like that are common sense to me. It's like common sense, but my thing is always like how do you fix it? You know what I mean? Like how do you fix it? You know what I mean? Like, how do you do it? Well, the only way you fix it is by like getting in there and getting your hands dirty and

realizing that corruption exists in every possible crevice and you have to rid it out. And you need to look at where money is being spent. And breaking news, like when you figure out where that money is going, it's going to places that are either deeply corrupt or totally unneeded. And if we're not investing in our people, we're not investing in a bright future for anybody. Our people are our greatest asset. We need to put people over profit in order for us to succeed. And at the end of the day, so much of what we face like as a nation, okay. Insane

debts. Okay, great. I want people out there working because when you're out there working and productive, you're contributing to society and that contribution generates tax dollars. And that through the right funnels, when it's not touched by corruption should eventually go off to paying the debt loads that exist. I think there's a lot of ways to balance our books, but also create a better, brighter future for everybody. It's about when. You have my vote. Thank you.

That sounded like a campaign speech. That was so good. Thank you. That was good. Were you ever class president? Because that was so good. No, I wasn't allowed to run when I was in middle school. They wouldn't let me run.

Because you had no friends? No. They're like, he's a loser. No one's going to listen to him. Yeah. Because most people won't be voted class president if people are not your friends.

Yeah, it's all like, well, yeah, bull squash platforms and stuff. You would be class president of YouTube, like of the social media right now.

Oh my God, thank you. What would I be voted? Honestly, I think it could be like, maybe, I would say like, give you a good title of like Secretary of Interior or something like that. Secretary of Interior?

What does that even mean? What is Secretary of Defense? Well, I'll give you Secretary of Defense in the YouTube sense where you, your only goal is to protect those of substance that matter from any sort of outside vulnerabilities. You know what I mean? Oh my God.

You have such intense words. Like seriously, your vocabulary is impressive. I can't even follow up on that. That's all bullshit. No, you're so good. The way you speak is so good. Would you be a politician that lives in a humble house, like a million dollar house instead of like a $20 million house?

Because if I see you get a $20 million house, I'll be like, that could have gone to the daycares. Here's the deal. I will not be a politician that takes anything more than what's allotted. And I genuinely believe that like any sort of politician that is a multi, multi, multi, multimillionaire and acquires that wealth while in office is they are corrupt and not right. And the idea that people in office can do things like trade stocks and take all the information that they're hearing in these deeply secured boardrooms and carry that through to their stockbrokers is just really insane and disgusting. And I believe in this idea that like selfless civil servants are what are needed to move

our country forward and fight for a better day for everybody. And I plan on being that if and when I plan on running. So the idea of outside corruption is no place. And at the end of the day, I answer and work only for the people. So that would be held to the utmost importance and it and work only for the people. So yeah, that would be held to the utmost importance and it would be very transparent in the way I operate. Wow. You're of age now. I think you can be 25 to be a representative or something like that. I really thought about it. So my mom was a social worker in Patterson, New Jersey, which

is just a part of New Jersey that offered so much and continues to offer so much to the state and to the nation. Um, but over the years has gone forgotten about in a way that it shouldn't have. And she works with a lot of people who are lower income and she's been doing that for, she had for 37 years before she retired. And, uh, yeah, she just carried everybody's story with her and she carried everybody's plate with her. And I watched that firsthand. And then my stepmom was a high school teacher, a theater teacher at an inner city high school for many years. And she was incredible. And yeah, my dad sold furniture and then ended up selling mortgages. So I come from a really unique place

of just wanting to give back, but understanding the plight of what people go through. And most of my childhood, it was me and my sister and my mom. She did it on her own. And then my dad came in with my stepmom. And we end up all now live together happily, kicking ass. Wait, what now? Yeah. We don't live in the same house, but they live very close to each other.

Oh, my gosh. That's so cute. So you're all together. That's how we are too. My mom lives down the street. It's really nice. It's really special. Yeah, to be all close with each other. That's so cute. So you're all together. That's how we are too. My mom lives down the street. It's really nice. It's really special. Yeah, to be all close with each other.

That's so cool. So you guys all moved from New Jersey out here? No, so no. New Jersey is everybody except for me. But when I go back, everybody's in the same neighborhood within a couple blocks of one another. But your family was there when you grew up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I grew up.

So they moved out here with you? No, I came here alone. And then they just like followed? Yeah. Oh. Well, no, they don't live in California. Wait, I thought you all lived together within 10 minutes of each other. Oh, okay. My dad and my stepmom and my mom in New Jersey, they do live within minutes of each other. Wait, now you all live together? My bad. When I go home, everybody lives in the same neighborhood.

When I'm here, I'm alone with my boyfriend until he leaves. That's good. Wait, where are you going? He has to go back to Australia for a beat. Oh, did you say where it's from? Should we bleep out where he's from? I thought you don't say his accent. Oh, people know, I think, that there's an accent. Oh, okay, okay. You have to go back for your visa or something like that? Yeah. Miller Lite. The light beer brewed for people who

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You said it was hard for you to relate to like i have the written down let me get your let me get your exact oh my god you got the card yes i have the quote i know this is stuff okay you said you're rarely happy to be queer combating gay norm every day what does that mean like i thought you were so proud and like about being queer being open being all the stuff like that so i saw that i was like that's so because i was recent i think that was in one of your round table i am proud of being queer i think think sometimes I do, it's hard. I think it is hard. If you go out to any gay club, at least in West Hollywood or parts of New York City,

you see the standard of queer that is in a lot of cases unobtainable. But also at the same time, like I, I applaud freedom. I applaud one's ability to be themselves unapologetically, but also at the same time, I think there is this idea of queer that is that straight people have a perception of, and that other people within the community have a perception of. And it is, there are intense body standards. I think it's very unique to be a part of a community that has to like categorize everybody into different groups physically. I think that's wild. I think it's been hard to figure out how to navigate the queer community

while putting personality and people's energy and essence at the forefront, as opposed to like leading with what they look like. It's hard, especially LA, like you said, West Hollywood, all that stuff like that. It's wild. Like, you know, and you walk around and you see this standard of queer

that is very hard to achieve. And at the end of the day, like it's – I love being me. I love the community that exists. Everywhere I go in America at night, I am at the local gay bars fucking without a doubt. Dallas, Nashville, Kansas City, anywhere I go, I seek out the gay bars because I know that's where I feel safe and that's where people who are like me exist. But also in the same breath, like I would be blind if I didn't acknowledge the fact that like there is a beauty standard that exists. And I love Troye Sivan with every fiber of my being,

but I look at that Rush video and I go like, would love to have seen somebody who looks more like me. Interesting. Yeah. We talked about that on this podcast too. It's interesting that he won it because just because like you said, it is that standard. That's what's big. And it's like weird. Like you see Lizzo, you see all these other people, not even Lizzo, like who was it? Joe Jonas. I think in his video, he had like a plus size model with him. Like it's even just for the statement alone, like let's say Troye Sivan doesn't like that type, but it's like for the statement alone, because it's 2023, it should be like body inclusivity everywhere. You know what I mean?

And I think with that video, cause I love Troye Sivan too. And I was just kind of like, oh man, it's just like sad. It's just like disappointing, you know? Cause he's such,

he's such the voice right now. He is like the voice. And so I was just like, I'm kind of sad that he like didn't do something with it. Have you interviewed him? Oh, I've, I know Troy really well.

Did you text him about it? Uh, I talked to him about it. He just came on the show. Oh, he did. Was it out? I didn't see that one. It will come out. What did he say? Is he going to put you text him about it? I talked to him about it. He just came on the show. Oh, he did. Was it out? I didn't see that one.

It will come out. What did he say? Is he going to put you in the next one? Should I learn the dance? Oh, my gosh. I think that would be everything. Would your boyfriend allow it? Yeah.

Wow. He thought about it. I don't know. I'd be so jealous. I'd want to see him kiss someone else. I don't know. I'd be super jealous. No kissing.

Interesting. But then if it was like me, I would love to be in like a music video with who do I love? see him kiss someone else i don't know i'd be super jealous no kissing interesting but then if it was like me i would love to be in like a music video with who do i love the weekend i'll go make out with the weekend for it's acting right you know it's not a big deal so for you you rationalize it and it boils down to acting but for me yeah i trust him though too i don't know it's so weird it's such a weird situation the other party that you don't trust falling in love for moses Yeah, but I, right. I'm like, I love Ariana to come on here, but when she falls in love with Moses,

you know? And in that case, maybe. Maybe she's so beautiful. I kind of get it. I'm kind of like, oh, I guess. You see them all together? I just see you at the top of your driveway waving to them as they drive away. Wouldn't that be wild? If Ariana's with Moses.

I get it. She leaves me in here. Oh my gosh. That would be, that would be wild. Iconic. She goes for like, randoms,

you know what I mean? Not that you're random, but. You never know. Anyways, that's a whole other thing. Anyways, you have a very secure boyfriend.

Well, you don't have to let him be in a choice of on music. You should be in a choice of on music face. Anyways, you have a very secure boyfriend. Well, you don't have to let him be in a Troye Sivan music. You should be in a Troye Sivan music video. Yeah, let's see what we can do. Troye, you hear this? Oh my gosh. You hear this? You hear this? I love that.

That's a lot. Because you're a gay icon. Am I? You are. You are a gay. Before I even knew, before I even knew, I didn't know. You know what I mean? Everyone's like, is he gay?

I was like, I think he's just him. You know what I mean? I never think of you as like, but I like that with anyone. I don't like to put labels on anyone, unless you love being like, just, I'm a gay, gay, gay. I love that. But if you're just like, I'm just me, you know, I think that's cool too. You know, it was weird on the radio show for many, many years, I would just talk about like my life and I would keep who I was talking about unisex. So I kind of like played up the little mystery. And then there was a turn where it just like, I just decided to be open about it. And, um, yeah, it's, you know, people,

people find out that I'm queer every day. It's like one of the most common comments I think I get. Wait, really? Yeah. It's like, what do they think? They think like straight gay? Well, people just like, don't know. Right. I guess like just assume whatever, or, you know, from the radio side. And this is the one thing that like, there's like different people who know of our show, right? Like there's people who just listen on the fm radio people who just listen to the interviews maybe just know tiktok just know youtube whatever so they have just different portals into the universe and um yeah like dude i ended up on stage one time at my friend matt bennett's party he throws these like old school nickelodeon parties uh party 101 and i showed up one time party 101 it popped off on TikTok and everyone was like

oh he has legs they were just very confused I had legs because they only see me from the waist up you know I guess some people really don't think about that oh he's got legs this is your first time this is like exclusive showing the legs this is a lot I love it

I love the idea of this and then I started like seeing myself like next to small little guys I was like oh my, I know. I was like, I was telling you, I was like, I love the idea of this. And then I started like seeing myself like next to small little guys. I was like, oh my God, I look like a blob. I'm like, oh my gosh. I like a solo one where you don't see the like comparison, but it's fine. Interesting. So is Party 101, is that like Zoey 101? Is like Jamie Lynn showing up?

No, but other Nickelodeon stars are. Like who? It's like a vintage. He's a Nickelodeon star. He's on Victorious. He played Robbie Shapiro. I never, that was an era I think I was too old for maybe. I missed the whole Victorious era.

Were you like iCarly era or what? Oh, God, no. I was even before. Like a man show? No. No. I was like Rocko's Modern Life. It was like really.

No, I don't even know. Oh, a man show maybe. I was at Disney. Huh? Stick Stickly? No. No, I don't remember that one. I wasn't Nickelodeon too much.

I watched like So Weird on Disney Channel, Lizzie McGuire. I was like, I'm way older than you. I'm 35 so I was like watching. You're five years older than me. But that's a big difference. My co-host Oscar is 30 and it's like so bizarre like talking to him because we just don't remember any of the same stuff. It's like very bizarre. So yeah like Victoria's all that stuff I like didn't I wasn't there for. Only through your

interviews do I know Victoria's. I was like okay Victoria Justice was on it right? Yes. Okay I know that. That's all you need to know. That's all you need to know. That's all I need to know. And just like that, the show is done. I'm going to have her on. What was the worst interview you've ever done?

Like for you personally, where you're just like, that was horrible. Like you just felt so bad about yourself after. I knew you were going to ask this. Really? Yeah, yeah. And it's weird. Like I don't necessarily have, like there's some injury. Okay.

I'll tell you. I'll be honest. And I hope it doesn. I'll be honest. Be honest. And I hope it doesn't ruin any of me moving forward. But, like, I really did not get along with Marshmello, I don't think, when he came on my show because he was acting as a marshmallow. Wait, who? Who's this Marshmello?

You know the DJ? No. He looks like a marshmallow? Is he the one with the white on his head with the X? Yes. Okay. His name's Marshmello? Love that.

He looks like a marshmallow. That makes sense. So he was acting like a marshmallow, but that's who he is. And you were mad about that? And on this day, we educated Trisha Paytas on one of the most successful DJs

in the last 10 years, right? He's up there. Really? I only know DJ Pauly D. That's the only DJ I know. Taste. Taste. And by the way,

he's having a resurgence, that DJ Pauly D. Yeah, he's kind of everywhere. Do you know him? Can we go hang out with him? Jersey Shore! If you want to, I know his team. If you want to do that, we can definitely arrange.

He seems a little too straight for me. I'm not about straight energy. I understand that. Yeah, having Jeff here, Jeff Wittek, I had to have Tana because I'm just like, I need some feminine energy because some straight bro is too much for me. I like Jeff. I like Jeff, yes. Good guy.

Yeah. But you know, there's like, and I can see it with them too, like just straight energy where he's just like talking about like her sex life and they're, you know, I don't know. It's like, you're too straight for me. I don't know. I get that. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So it was good she's here. Cause usually I get really aggressive. Like for some reason with Jeff, I got like aggressive. Like, I don't know what it is about straight guys. I like get aggressive. I get like so mad at them and I'm like, what? Cause I kept like not trying to insult him, but I kept insulting him without trying.

I was like, oh my God, why am I being so harsh right now? I'm being so mean. Trauma. Yeah. I do think there's a little PTSD and not necessarily from him, but I kept insulting him without trying. I was like, oh my God, why am I being so harsh right now? I'm being so mean. Trauma. Yeah. I do think there's a little PTSD. And not necessarily from him, just straight people in general. Yeah, straight men. Yeah.

I like a feminine energy man. Like that's what I like. You know what I mean? I think straight men have a really interesting place in your life. Toxic. They're so toxic. Well, this is a whole, this is a Zach Sang interview right here because I feel like we've talked about this.

Yeah. Yeah. No, they definitely give me a trigger for sure. You know who you like though? A straight man that you enjoy? Who? Donny Osmond. I couldn't, that was my, that was, that was the moment where I'm like, I feel like this is the right path for me. I think I'm on the right path because I was just like, I couldn't believe that happened. I booked all my own guests, but Donny was like, like a gift sent from above. Like there was a connection, a connection that just happened. And I was like, how did this happen? Like,

it's so crazy. What do you mean you're booking your own guests i book everybody so you're just dming i'm just dming yeah i just dm everyone and like people have reached out which like you reach out i was like oh my god this is so cool so um people have been reached out some really big ones too and i'm kind of like people i didn't know and they all of a sudden i'm getting like voice memos from people telling me all their secrets and i'm just like oh my god you want to come on the podcast like yeah it's been crazy iconic yeah I knew this was right for you. It feels right. It feels good. And then when you wanted to come on, I was like, you're just, to me, like doing your show, I've always just felt like validated on your show because you are,

you are that person. People respect you and love you. And people didn't respect me and love me. When I was on your show, they like, love me. You make everybody lovable. You know what? Thank you. But also that validation for me means a lot. And you've always been like an incredible hype person for me. And yeah, you mean the world. And that interview was really good. But also like it did like what you would do after that in the podcast space would go on to really modernize and like really make this space very relevant. So I thank you.

Oh, my God. And I also thank you for giving your all every time you come. Like you do the most to be on a show. You can't dress as Gerard fucking way. Oh, that was great. I was hoping he would see it. It never works. I'm always just like, maybe he'll see this one. He never sees it? Are you sure about it? Well, I'm not sure, but I'm

pretty sure. You sure? He's not like, yeah. I mean, he has to have seen it at this point. You know, someone's dressing like you and recreating all your videos for like hundreds of thousands of dollars. You have to like, maybe not. Maybe he like doesn't care somebody's sending it to him yeah no i don't know i don't think he's just not on social media like he doesn't post he doesn't follow anyone have you ever met him no no never i just know frank did you ever ask him about it or is that like annoying i was thinking like maybe we'll just send a couple of your links

to frank we've never done that we could do that no that to me it's like that scares me i don't know i just don't because my worst fear it's like britney scares me. I don't know. I just don't. Because my worst fear, it's like Britney too. And because Britney's on Instagram, it's like being like, stop. Just stop doing this. You know what I mean? You're annoying. Or like, this is embarrassing. No.

I think they might be like that. No, I don't think so. I think people really appreciate when you appreciate their art and you're a genuine fan of theirs. And like, all it is is showing appreciation. Right. Or just like copying though. You know, some people don't like when they're being copied. You really think they're threatened by your...

Sad Boy 2005 is coming up. We're coming with a third album. It's happening. We're so excited. We're releasing the Sad Boy 2005 on our way here. Oh, man. They are just almost parody songs of a collection of the biggest pop punk records. I literally give, like, I'm not okay.

I'm like, but do something different. Just change it up a little bit. I love it. I just do like straight up like copyright but I wanted to make a little money I made no money off them but I was hoping to maybe make a little bit I don't know I loved making music it was so fun and sad which if I was it was great but I loved your tour I saw you live on stage that's what I'm saying you I was just talking about this like that era of my tour like even my bestie friends in the whole world that I've been friends with for like 10 years didn't come to that tour. I loved it. Like no one came yet. You were the, you were one of the only people that came and I was like, I mean, people I knew and you were so sweet because you

were, you're, you are such a big deal and you're such an influence in the music world. So when you came, I was like, Oh, that shit was cute. It was a cute, I miss tour. You were great. I just respect realness and you are just so honest and real. So I don't know. I fuck with you so hard. Thanks, but not Marshmallow. We didn't even get into it. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the story. It does look like him. Yeah, it does. A little bit, right? Kind of. Honestly, it's giving Marshmallow.

It's giving Marshmallow. Is he a real... He just didn't talk to me. He wouldn't talk because that was the character, but it was really weird because when he came into the studio, he was talking normally. And then he wanted to talk to, like, a robot over a computer, but then I couldn't ask him questions. I was only able to talk to him like he was a marshmallow. Like an actual marshmallow in the microwave or something.

You're just like, hey, how's it cooking in there? What were you asking him? That's kind of fun. Actually, that's kind of iconic. What a challenge. It was rough. I just was confused at the outset. I just want to make it clear. I've interviewed a turkey

every Christmas. I interviewed Santa. I interviewed Poppy all the time. I interviewed Lil Miquela, an AI pop star. Oh, yeah. I remember Lil Miquela. I interviewed a monkey. I'll interview anybody. You'll do anything. This marshmallow was super hard. Wait, really?

Yeah, I could talk to anybody and everybody, but I couldn't do this. Was it because you were thrown off? Were you not prepared for it? Yeah, well, it's just more like you would talk to me like a normal person, and then he would sit down, and then he'd be like, I'm only talking over the robot thing. And you can only ask questions about what it's like to come from a marshmallow pack and be in a grocery store aisle.

Okay, I guess that's a performance art. Yeah, I grocery store aisle. I was like, whoa, performance art. Yeah. Yeah. I just wish this team would have briefed me on it before. Right. And then he was there with Anne Marie at the time. Who's amazing. And she's come on the show since she's freaking incredible.

And yeah. And yeah, you know, she was, she was amazing, but it was hard. It was just hard. It was a hard one.

How about your best interview? Oh, that, I don't know. Ariana sleepover. I hold interviews in special places in my heart for different reasons. And my first interview with Ari or my first interview with Liz, they mean something to me because they gave me friends that I would die for at any second of any day.

And they matter the most to me. But then there's also interviews that, like, I don't know, like really uniquely hold places in culture and have changed the way people see a human being or have added information or insight into people at a very crucial time. So an interview that stands out when I say that is like we had Olivia Jade on the show. And she had come on our show and I'll remember forever. I met her cause I went to David Dobrik's house. After the day I met you for the first time at the AJR concert. It's all weirdly connected. I remember like, so AJR, like three of my best friends for many years. I'm like, they're in town. David was throwing a party or something and he invited them. They're like,

you gotta come. And I was like, Oh yeah, I'll go'll go i meet this girl olivia and she comes up to me introduces herself and she's like i have a makeup palette it's coming out soon would love to come on your show and i'm like yeah yeah yeah sure whatever yeah take her number we didn't have her on the show for the makeup palette months go by i meet her in like october it's april i think we have a dead week on the show dan's like who the fuck should we have on and i I'm like, Oh, I met this makeup girl back in fucking October. I love it. They remembered.

We should, I'll see what she does. I'll hit her up. She comes on on a Wednesday. The interview goes up on a Friday and she talks all about how she doesn't want to be at college. Her dad lied, like took his parents money and use that money to like fund his t-shirt business. That money was meant for college.

How like she doesn't want to be there. She wants to be doing her business. Her parents really forced her to be here. I mean, it's essentially like 30 minutes of her just giving the deepest of insight into her college experience, her parents' attraction to college, all of it. Before the. Trish. Yeah.

This interview, we cut it on a wednesday it goes up on a friday i'm not kidding that monday i'm driving to work and i can i'll remember forever i'm driving down wilshire boulevard and i look at my phone i get a cnn breaking news alert and it says felicity huffman and laurie laughlin indicted on what now we know to be the largest college admission scandal ever. And this interview goes on to being played like clockwork every 10 to 15 minutes across every news network all over the world for what felt like the next year. Oh, my God. How did you feel? What did you feel about it? Were you like, this is so exciting? Or were you like, oh, year. Oh my God. How did you feel? What did you feel about it? Were you like, this is so exciting

or like, oh shit. It was wild. It was wild because it was like, I was getting stopped at the grocery store by like older women asking my thoughts on something

that I really didn't know what was, what it was. Right. Until I educated myself on the extent of it. And, um,

it was wild. It was just, it was, it was just interesting because it was something that was so not one of the reasons why we would ever make headlines. And it's just an interesting perspective and insight into something that the whole world was following at that time. More than just an individual person.

It was insight into the thought process behind really successful, wealthy parents and their desire to push a reality on their kids. That they don't want. Exactly. Yeah. And sometimes you don't think about it. I feel like even just the short time we've done this, like a month and a half,

like sometimes I don't even think about the things that are said to me or vice versa as being like tea or anything. I just think like, oh, that's nothing. You don't think about it. And then it becomes such a big thing. One of the big examples of that too from our show is like Bozzy comes on right when mine is popping off taylor swift's on a stadium tour this is pre-covid

and she adds mine to her like stadium playlist it's like in the top maybe three of like her spotify pics or whatever he for some reason somehow comes on our show and talks about how nobody's making albums and that nobody listened to Taylor Swift's album. Like, said all this stuff about Taylor Swift. What are you saying? Are you, like, trying to defend her? Are you being like, no, that's not true? I, we have to pull, to your point,

like, I don't remember everything. Okay. So I have to pull up receipts. I never want to misquote myself, and I'm generalizing his quotes. So you have to pull up the receipts. But they exist. Just Google Bozzy Taylor Swift.

Like, it's very obvious and out there. I'm pretty sure I did defend. I think Dan jumped on his bandwagon to a certain degree. But, I mean, dude, like, ends up having lasting impact on him. Like, you know, you're talking about Taylor Swift. That's crazy. Yeah. And then there's artists who have come on and talked about BTS and that's had lasting impact.

Like people come on and say things and it does last forever. And it goes on both sides. Right. And then like people come on and change the way people perceive them for the better. Right. You see them a different way. Yeah. Miley Cyrus, I think was one of those people.

There's a bunch of people like that. Right. Cause I feel interesting. Cause on one hand, like where morally do you stand? Cause on one hand you're just like, oh man, this is really great views. I just got, I got like this like tea that this explosive on the other hand i'm like oh no like my show like every podcast i had done before this every time i'd go on their podcast like they get canceled for something you know and then i felt bad i felt guilty you know what i mean

but then on the one hand it's like well it's getting views and stuff like that so how do you like balance your morality or do you just like not you're like oh i didn't say anything so it's fine or do you feel bad like damn it was my show that they did this on. But God's truth is, like, you don't know what's going to gain traction until afterwards. Like, and if anybody thinks that they know, like, what parts of an interview you're going to hit, like, you really don't know. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I felt bad. I felt bad for Olivia Jade because she was going through a lot in her life.

And it was just a part of just this larger shit storm. And then I do feel bad for people who say things that they shouldn't have. But the hardest thing is retracting something once it's already out there. Yeah. You just can't. And I'm listening intensely when people are talking. Any good interviewer listens more than they talk. So I'm listening deeply, but I'm not necessarily in 99.9% of the time, I'm not thinking about like what that, oh, that's a good clip. Oh, that's going to make headlines. I'm thinking about how the fuck I'm going to follow that up or like, where am I going with this now? Or what am I extracting

out of that to make more of? So I'm not thinking in the moment that this could be something. It's only once it is something that I'm able to understand it with the person who said it. And then I feel bad. I do. And there's DM proof of me trying to help people, but the God's truth is what you can't do is delete something once it's out. If it's already seen and it's in circulation, you're admitting fault by editing it out. That's very true. Or deleting or anything like that. Then it's like, okay.

And then if you delete it, someone else uploads it. So they get, yeah. It's already out there in the world. Yeah. Once it's on YouTube once. Oh, yeah. I know. I regret it.

I think I deleted like 2000 videos. I'm like, gosh, I kept some of those up because they just like circulate anyways. I'm like, gosh, I should have been like having that video. Did you go through and watch all the 2,000 that you deleted or did you just know from the titles? No, I saw if there was Shane Dawson like delete. You know what I mean? And that's because he was problematic just because I'm sure there was something problematic back then. Because also like 10 years ago, I was just like a different person.

I said – I'm sure there's so many vlogs where I said crazy – I mean it was probably better I deleted those because it was me talking crazy shit. But in general, I try not to delete even TikToks. You know, I'm just like, well, it's already out there. And like you said, then people, then it's more suspicious and then people talk about it more. It's hard. It's hard. And then also if people are already acknowledging it in like the comment section or something, and then it goes missing from the YouTube video. Right. So you just leave it up. Did you leave that one up? Yeah. Bozzy stayed up. Did he ever say anything like take it down? Yeah, he did ask to take it down. But he's come on the show, I think twice since. Oh!

So he asked and you're like but then you're like oh you will take it down normally or you just don't? No we didn't. No for him because he didn't tell us to edit it out before it was posted. So you're like oh oops. It's already out there. Did you try to like console him and be like it's already out there like it's not? Yes. There's a bunch of DMs of me going back and forth with him like consoling him and like I think at

one point we were down to make the edit but I told him like you should be prepared that it's gonna look worse so like think about that. And like, I think at one point we were down to make the edit, but I told him like, you should be prepared that it's going to look worse. So like, think about that. Yeah. Once it's out there, it's out there. Yeah.

Cause then like, we'd look like everybody's in cahoots and everybody's like, well, I guess that's why some people just don't do interviews. I feel like there's so many people. My cohost loves like Olivia Rodrigo. She's just, have you interviewed her?

She doesn't do interviews. Oh, you have? Oh, I thought he was like, she doesn't do interviews. I don't know. Who doesn't do interviews?

Like what main artists, like besides Gerard Way? I mean like a lot. The Weeknd won't do an interview. Oh, he might come was like, she doesn't do interviews. I don't know. Who doesn't do interviews? Like what main artist, like besides Gerard Way? I mean, like a lot. The Weeknd won't do an interview. Oh, he might come on ours. What? Yeah. I think in a couple of weeks.

Wait. When he's back from his Latin America tour. Wait, hold on. Yeah. Is that a big one? I don't know. The Weeknd? Able?

I mean, I just, from The Idol? Is that? You're crazy. Tedros. Wait. Yeah. Wait, what? He doesn't do interviews? Are you trolling me? No. That's huge. Is that? You're crazy. Tedros. Wait. Yeah. Wait, what? He doesn't do interviews?

Are you trolling me? No. That's huge. Is it? Oh, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't say it. Maybe we should edit it out. I don't know.

Should we not talk about it? Wait. Yeah. Wait, that's massive. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't really do anything like this from my understanding. Well, that wasn't my dream, but maybe it'll happen. I'm manifesting.

That's my manifestation. Thank you. He's my dream, but i didn't know he didn't do interviews i really did just discover him through the idol and i i love that show i love him that show made me clench every time i was just like oh like i just i never felt that way i don't watch adult films i do nothing nothing gets turns me on that show i was like and i was like embarrassed to watch it with moses He would make lasagna. And I'm like, I can't eat the lasagna. Tedros is on the screen.

He's going to make him fat. I was just very about this show. He was so good. His acting. Really? Oh, I was hooked. I had to find out everything about him. And I did.

I started researching. He was on tour in Europe. I wanted to go see him. I was like, now he's on the Latin American tour. So I was just like, I need to find everything about him. I love him so much. I love your obsessions. Yeah, this one came out of nowhere.

And the origin stories are unique. The Idol's great. Did you watch it? No. Oh my gosh. That is the best show I've ever seen in my life. Really? Yes.

Are you upset that it's not getting a second season? Yes. Oh my God. I'm devastated. Once the strike's over, I think he'll come on. Because I know they can't talk about past work. So maybe once it's over, Abel will come on. Manifest it.

Yeah. I tweet him sometimes, but he never tweets me back. But he tweets, but he doesn't tweet me back. Not yet. Oh, God. People say I look like him. I was told that. Yes.

I was told that. That everyone was like, you look like him. But even before I knew who he was, people would tell me I look like him. So I did a cosplay and I did look very much like him. I did. Yeah. People really looked at you and go

you look like the weekend I do put a side by side what yeah it's crazy they also say I look like yeah there's a lot of people anyway who else

no who do people say you look like Mr. Beast oh no have you interviewed him I wish I don't I'm not a fan what

I really like him why I think he's really cool very creative very inventive but don't you think there's like a machine behind him like a company like he's not doing all this stuff no I really like him. Why? I think he's really cool. Very creative. Very inventive. But don't you think there's like a machine behind him, like a company? Like he's not doing all this stuff.

No, I think at the end of the day, I think it's him. He has a really cool team over at night that get things done. He has a really cool partner in Reed. He has a really cool little creative crew around him. I heard it's like a cult. Someone I know, someone was just telling us this, that they interviewed to be on Mr. Oh, I know who it was. To work there. And you had to like live on the compound in like Atlanta or wherever they're at. Oh, wow. And you couldn't leave. Oh, interesting. I mean, you know, maybe that's it was. To work there. And you had to live on the compound in Atlanta or wherever they're at.

Oh, wow. And you couldn't leave. Oh, interesting. I mean, maybe that's where he does his work. He has his probably South Sage. But why can't you leave? Why do you all have to live together? I mean, is that true?

Yeah. This guy is a reputable person. I don't think he'd make it up. It wasn't like an interview. He told me, he was like, yeah, I did an interview one time for Mr. Beast. I was like, oh. So Mr. Beast is sitting down with people and being like, you can only work for me, but you're stuck here.

You can never leave my campus. That's really, really cool. my campus. That's really believable? Allegedly. That's ridiculous. I think so. I don't know. I know nothing about him. But it's interesting that you would want to interview him.

I really do. I think he's really – you don't think he's – what he's done is incredible. Also, he has a great brand in Feastables. I really respect it. Okay. Is Feastables the chocolate or is that the food? But did you see Keith Lee? Do you know him?

Yes. He's a food reviewer. He said it wasn't great. He didn't like the chocolate. And Mr. Beast was not happy about his review, I heard. I did see that the food? But did you see Keith Lee? Do you know him? He's a food reviewer. He said it wasn't great. And Mr. Beast was not happy about his review, I heard. I did see that, but then they did a review together. But he still said it was like, okay, it was mediocre. He wants honesty. No, he didn't want honesty.

He wanted him to do it. He was upset that he didn't give him a good review. See, I need to be up to date on gossip like this. Yeah. But I do know a little bit of this. I love the TikTok drama. I'm a big TikTok drama person. See, I find it interesting that you don't like Mr. Beast.

You know what? I don't know him. I'm just being a little bit of a hater. I think anyone who does well, I get a little jealous of because I've never popped off like him. You know what I mean? So I think I'm a little bit of a hater where I'm just like, I don't get it. I don't get it being real. I really don't get his appeal.

But I don't watch his videos either, so I don't know. I mean, they get like a lot. That's what I'm saying. It has to be like a machine or something because it's like, how do they get so many views? Well, he has a production house. I think he does really crazy stuff, and I think he puts a lot. That's what I'm saying. It has to be like a machine or something because it's like how do they get so many views? Well, he has a production house. I think he does really crazy stuff and I think he puts a lot of money into the videos. And I think ultimately at the end of the day, like with YouTube, but I don't know it for sure because I do a whole different set of content the same way you do a totally different set of content. I do think that the more outrageous you are, the more strategic you are with your thumbnails, the more strategic you are with your headlines.

And ultimately the way you get to be more outrageous is by putting more money into things. And that garners views. And I think – look at – you had Jeff Liddick here the other day. I think he sadly has been a victim of what that has gone wrong. Yeah. And that should be a reminder to people. I think that's why I correlate Mr. Beast with David Dobrik. He might be like a new David Dobrik or something.

Because I don't think they do the same thing. They like give cars away and Tesla's. No, I think MrBeast genuinely changes people's lives while also creating captivating content and really has a brand of substance. And, you know, I think two totally different people who have built careers on two totally different pillars. thing used to put out into the YouTube algorithm and into the zeitgeist were really, yeah, funny to a certain degree sometimes, but sexual in nature and kind of inappropriate and sometimes overtly racist and just a bunch of shit that was really grotesque when you really look at it. But when you really look at what Beast is doing, it's totally different. It's this idea that YouTube can be bigger than life and you could help normal people in the process and it could be incredibly entertaining and funny

and the way he produces it garners both old and young people and just totally different like he's doing competitions and games and stunts whereas that other shit was by the way like they did stunts bottom of the barrel shit and when it really bad, he was putting people in harm's way. Yeah, right. In the worst possible way. Isn't that crazy? It's wild to me that he gets away with that. But again, like if you look back at the history of that, all it's going to show you is, duh, putting people in harm's way for views is a pattern.

It's a pattern that existed over there. People on YouTube have uncovered the pattern. They've shined a deep, strong light on the pattern. Yeah, getting to a point where somebody was, yeah, hit by a piece of machinery like that. When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners? Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag.

Is that from Winners? Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt. Did she pay full price? Or those suede sneakers? Or that luggage? Or that trench? Those jeans? That jacket?

Those heels? Is anyone paying full price for anything? Stop wondering. Start winning. Winners. Find fabulous for less. Duh. Right. Of course fabulous for less. Duh. Right.

Of course it was going to get there. I think Mr. B said that. I saw, again, on TikTok, there was a clip, an interview recently he just did. He was on stage talking to someone. And they're like, what is the difference? Almost like, what's the difference between you and David? How do you keep your stunts safe? And he's just like, well, common sense.

You know what I mean? And that is kind of what that whole group lacked and stuff like that. And someone ended up getting hurt. Well, I think ultimately, yeah, common sense, but it also stinks from the head down. Right? Like, so I think common sense was one of the fucking problems that existed over there. I think really ugly, gross motives and morals were definitely a part of it too. Like, yeah. And looking back, yeah, it is weird. Cause it was so hyped and like, no one thought anything bad about it. And then now it's like, looking back, you're like, Oh my God God, that was actually disgusting.

I saw it pretty quickly, but it's like, you know, it took a minute because you're just so in it. And when the majority of people love him, they still love him. He's like, it's like a million dollars off Snapchat. He's still obviously, he had the All-American Rejects at his party, which, what? Yeah, when did the All-American Rejects come back? Weren't they like 2006? I was like, how are they still like relevant? I guess they're not.

That's why they're at David Dobrik's house playing. He doesn't have the weekend, you know what I mean? He has All-American Rejects. I'm like, how are they still relevant? I guess they're not. That's why they're at David Dobrik's house playing. He doesn't have the weekend, you know what I mean? He has All-American rejects. I'm not a fan. They weren't that nice to me when I did their music video. I was in Beekeeper's Daughter, and they were not very nice. Do you know them? They came on the show once, and they were kind of rude a little bit, yeah. He's very just

not nice to people around him, like the crew. Yeah, well, you know, definitely hard to be an E-lister. The E-listers are the one that's the worst. When you talk about Ariana Grande being so sweet, A-list, right? You know what I mean? And then you have people –

No, you're talking about a guy who's still living off of checks from Gives You Hell. I mean, that's the only song I know. Although it was a bop. Give You Hell is a bop. Oh, yeah, huge. I mean, it's keeping that guy fed. It has to. It's very true.

There's nothing else. Yes. Did you hear that My Chemical Romances might be going on tour with Fall Out Boy was it I love that yeah could you imagine I didn't get to see them we have to go see them

you invited me to Gwen Stefani and I was like maybe if it was My Chemical Romances but thank you for inviting me by the way that was so nice of you I will make sure you have tickets to My Chemical Romances

and Fall Out with everything I have I've never asked I've never asked for anything and like last fall I remember being like cause I just we already talked about this story but the forum I was like do you have any like connections for anything. And like last fall, I remember being like, because I just, we already talked about this story, but the forum

I was like, do you have any like connections where I can just like get in? And I tried to get, I ended up having Pat, like, because you had tickets. All you needed was Forum Club. I know. Well, I didn't know all this. It was last minute. Also, I just had my baby weeks ago. I don't think you're supposed to like leave your baby like weeks. Oh my God, yeah. And then you were going back and forth on text

of like, should I leave? Can I leave? Do I want to get out of the house? I, I really, really wanted to. But I also heard like if you leave your baby in the first few weeks, like they could die from like just not being attached to you because they get to like really bond with them in those. Otherwise they could like physically die. You know what I mean? And you cannot leave, live with yourself.

Yeah. I thought about them driving with me to the forum, but I think something else was happening that night in Angola. There were like two things happening that night and I was just like, I don't know, this is going to be like too much. It was. I promise. Yeah. If you don't have

other larger restrictions and restraints, I will ensure that you get tickets. I'll probably get pregnant again. That's what I was talking to my co-host about. I was like, wow, man. I always just think like if I got pregnant again, probably My Chemical Romance would go on tour and I'd probably miss it all over again. Because I was nine months pregnant when they were in the U.S. And so I missed every show.

If you get pregnant, you gotta ride. Do you not hold on pregnancy for My Chemical Romance? I've been pushing it off, but I don't know when their tour is announcing. Oh my gosh. Cause I had tickets 2020 when they were supposed to go on tour and then they pushed it off for two years. And then that's when I got pregnant. I was like, oh my God, it's just not meant to be. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why, if I want to cross paths with them. It's almost like they say, if you see, what did they say? If you see a duplicate of yourself, you wouldn't recognize you. Like if you saw your clone on the street. So I always feel like if I

saw Gerard Way, it's like seeing my clone i'd be like oh no like the universe would combust or something i don't know you really think he's your clone um yeah but i don't know maybe that's the lulu i don't maybe a lot of people feel that way i feel that way i do feel like a weird connection i don't know it's very that's what i'm saying i mean maybe a little scary that way what does moses think about it Moses, usually you have a microphone and cam. I'm just lucky that I'm dating both of them. All the personalities. That I'm married to both of them. Would you let Trish hook up with Gerard Way?

No. Got it. Oh, wow. Is that news to you? Yeah, because he loves Kate Bush. So I would let him hook up with Kate Bush. But I don't want to. Yeah, that's true.

That's the difference. No, you know what? I wouldn't either if I'm being so honest. That's why I feel like I trust me. Like, you know what I mean? If it's for a role in a music video, yeah. Like, if it's a role I can make out with somebody. Right.

I mean, if it's a professional setting, yeah. Got it. Yeah. But I think, yeah, like, I'll never do anything with anyone. It doesn't matter how pretty or famous the other person is. Can I say, though? I took back what I said earlier. We talk about Moses being in a remake of the Ten Commandments.

You know the movie with Charles Heston? Okay, if they remade the movie, I see like Quentin Tarantino directing it. They'll probably get Moses to play Moses because he's Moses and like he's age appropriate for Moses, you know, whatever. If Gal Gadot played Zipporah, I would let you have a love scene. I would let you like make out with her and stuff like that because that's professionalism.

So I take it back. It's a Bible story. I don't think we'll be making out. Well, they had babies. But I would, you know what's so funny? Anyways, that same magazine I was telling you about, they did an interview with me and they were like, where would you take Gerard Way on a date? I'm like, this is a weird question.

Like I married all this stuff like that. And I told them what our dream date was. But I was like, our spouses could come too because he's also married. Yeah, that's interesting. Anyways, that's a whole other thing. I love it. I love your addiction to pop culture.

That's like what really gets me going very much. Like you really are a whole other thing. I love it. I love your addiction to pop culture. That's what really gets me going very much. You really are a fan. I'm a fan. Are you a fan of everyone? You're a fan of pop culture. You get excited to interview the people you interview. Oh, fuck yeah. I really care and I'm genuinely interested. Not in everybody. God's true. Not everybody's the same

obviously, but I do find what fascinates me and what genuinely interests me in everybody. I really do give a shit. And music's like ingrained in me. Like when I was like a week old, my mom was like waiting online at the Stone Pony for Bruce Springsteen tickets. Are you a fan of? Oh, the first concert I ever went to was Bruce at Giant Stadium at the time. I was like nine.

He played for four and a half hours. I saved for the whole thing. Four and a half. That's longer than Taylor Swift. Yeah, fuck yeah. Wow. He actually holds all the records pretty much for the longest consistent show.

So he'll play without stopping. He won't even talk in between songs. Wow. He just goes, that's good stamina. Yeah, it's wild. And his team's unproblematic. He doesn't have any scandals, does he? Oh, no. Spruce. You had him on, right? No, I wish. No, who did you just have on? I had Neil Young on. Maybe that's years ago. Oh, I had Michael Bolton on pretty recently. I had the guy from Smashing Pumpkins.

Wait, Michael Bolton? Wait, Smashing wait smashing pumpkins that's gerard's inspiration yeah we had a billy corgan on oh my god he yeah like i feel like he took my chemical like smashing pumpkins to do my chemical romance you know he like interesting he said that i think i think he'd like his albums were like based off them stuff like that we had cory taylor on from slipknot he was just on taylor wait how did you get michael bolton oh he asked to come on no i haven't seen him so many times in concert I'm kind of obsessed with Michael Bolton He's really unique

We should do a song together I would You know what I was listening Do you sing? I know But I can start for you Did you learn the TikTok?

Because we're going to do a TikTok after this I did We should probably do the TikTok Yeah Yeah probably right Did you learn it? Yeah kind of I did

Do you know High School Musical in general? Of course Do you know We know who we're being Oh yeah I'm Ryan and you're Sharpay Okay that's why you said you were like a Ryan This is from High School Musical 3 High School Musical 2 Oh? Of course. Do you know? We know who we're being. Oh, yeah. I'm Ryan and you're Sharpay. Okay. That's why you said you were like a Ryan. This is from High School Musical 3, right? High School Musical 2.

Oh, it's just. They shot it up in Salt Lake City. I was there to do bed on it, so I stayed in that same resort where they shot this whole movie. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's why we could have been Troy and Sharpay from High School Musical 2, because they do the little tiki-tiki.

We could have been them, because you are giving Zac Efron vibes today. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. What genre would you sing? I mean, I feel like I'm a storyteller, you know? I do some singer-songwriter folky stuff, if necessary. Like, who's folky? Or some Broadway musical shit.

Oh, you like musicals? Love musicals. No, we never talked about this. Yeah, like, so I grew up pretty close to New York City, like 20 miles out, 25 miles out, and we'd get all the mailers for, like, the cheap tickets all the way up. And that was the one thing my mom was able to take us to from time to time, and my dad too. And yeah yeah loved it

grew up on it I've seen like Wicked a bunch Hairspray a bunch do you sing a little can you sing a little I love karaoke I mean like yeah I can't

like I you know what's your favorite song from Hairspray we'll call right now um I mean like you're crazy I love singing I want to sing

especially since we're dressed well I guess we should do high school but we can do Hairspray we should just sing something I'm like I don't know if I can sing just acapella but

um what's like a song I'm trying to think of a Hairspray I know all Hairspray you're gonna do Good something. I don't know if I can sing just acapella. What's a song? I'm trying to think of a Hairspray. I know all Hairspray. You want to do Good Morning Baltimore? But that's not a duet. You want to do It Takes Two? It isn't a duet either. But I was like, without love.

Oh, yeah. That's pretty good. I can't sing either. Tracy, I'm in love with you no matter what you say. That's your line. It's without love. Life is like, I don't even know. A season with the summer. Oh, yeah, you know. Sing it. I know the lines. without love. Life is like, I don't even know. A season with the summer.

Oh, yeah, you know. Sing it. I know the lines. Without love. Come on, go. Life is doors. The stay at, I don't know. The Apollo.

Yeah, very good. I'm in love with the man I never want. No, you know it. You're just not singing it. Wait, how about, you can't stop an avalanche as it races downhill. Dang. You can try to stop why is there

no camera to karaoke with me we should really go to karaoke though okay but can you karaoke something with me right now but like where's

this is the thing we do at the end of the show we always do a karaoke number oh do we so it has to be Defying Gravity

Hairspray High School Musical nobody prepped me for this something has changed within me something is not the same

sing it yeah I'm through with playing by the rules of someone else's game Too late for second guesses Too late to go back to sleep It's time to trust my instincts Close my eyes Here it comes And leap It's time to try defying gravity.

I think I'll try defying gravity. Come on, get it. And you can't hold me down. Nobody even needs to see the Wicked movie. Nobody in all of us. Oh, yeah. The wizard that there was or was. He's ever gonna bring together

me down now. Oh. That was amazing. Oh man. Gave me chills. That was so great thank you Zach I love you

more than anything in the world thank you for doing that I mean I wish it was more I think you could have gotten more fallout but I appreciate it hopefully one day

we can see what we can do together we can karaoke we can go see Gerard Way we should do Benihana too that's even that's more like realistic so we could do that

I mean we could do all of it I love Benihana I really I consider you a friend I hope I know I'mana. I really, like, I consider you a friend. I hope, I know I'm a bad friend sometimes, but like, know that I'm here. No, I'm a bad friend. I like, I'm really just, I never leave my house, so I'm a bad friend. But I would love, if you wanted to go to Benihana, I would get Benihana with you.

How close are you to it? Literally, I live down the street. Oh my God. Yes, let's do it. Bring Malibu and your mom, right? Yeah, we could do. Oh, well, if we have, how many people? If we have eight people, I can be the chef.

What? Yes. It's so fun. Oh, well, if we have, how many people? If we have eight people, I can be the chef. What? Yes! It's so fun. I did it one time. Yes, but you need eight people for the table, and then they'll let you be the chef. I did it. Yeah! Let's do it! Yes, we can go. Wait, tonight? I don't know if we can go tonight, but we can plan it. I just need to find a center for Malibu, because she

likes it, but it's a long, it's an experience. You know what I mean? So we should do it. I love you so much, you guys. Check out the Zach Sang show. I'm so sweaty. I'm so sorry. I love you so much. I love you too.

And hopefully one of us will get Britney Spears. Her book is coming out. Fingers and toes. Yes. All right. Bye, guys.