Juste entre toi et moi - Michel Pagliaro

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

À l’occasion de son intronisation au Panthéon des auteurs et compositeurs canadiens, le légendaire Michel Pagliaro accorde un de ses rares longs entretiens, dans lequel il raconte avec humour les débuts de sa carrière et ses expériences d’enregistrement à Londres. Il fait aussi enfin la lumière sur un éventuel nouvel album.

Hello, here, this is Dominique Tardiff. Ah, well, just, between, you're just between, between, to the last episode of the 6th season, of Just Between You and Me. It's the end of the season, yes. not the end the ballado.

No, it's not the end of we're in return, we're in return a day,

rather than later, let's say that's we're in a little to be very to be able

to be this ballado. Thank to be also very, to be sure, to be

there today for this episode for this episode, met in a man very rare,

my invite today, it's Michel Pagliaro, Michelle will soon intronized at the pantheon of the author and

compositeer Canadian the ceremony has been used the 17 November at the St. Denis. Pag and me we've talked

of his debut with the group the chancelier we've talked of his experiences of studio

at London we have even talked to this new album that we attend

for for more 30 years you have finally have

the response to the question there there a new new

album of Pag For all you My Co-de-Rocker I'd like to find the parrains to rock because it

it was a long time that I'd that had to be that could have been to have been I'll remember that you can read the article that

I've taken of this in the Press Plus on the press point CA or thanks to the

applymobile of the press and here so much more tarded my interview with the legendaire

Michelle Paglia. You'd say, at the instant, Michelle, that you can't pass the sound of a gross case, of a bass drum?

I don't know the word profini. No? No. What word we can employe? Comprone. Yeah. Poffine, it's

saying that you're in trying to sobly something, you know, but it's not that. These fact, you're even not sure what you can't that's what you want,

you know, And then what's he has to understand in the sound of a battery? His relation with the rest, even

his relation with the Tone, we're on how it's how it's how it's how it's a space

if it's a sort of patent that makes that it makes more or it's with what

what's the guys of RBO me had said when I did that a few years

a few years me talked to the song of the Ecology that you have made with them

in 89? And then he said that you have passed much of time to work to finish

to finish again, to work to work on the battery. Tis, sometimes

it's even not to work to find an idea, you know, it's like to work

sometimes of something, it's different, you know, it's different. Travehue, it's

probably a good title of the song. Even that, it's like, it's

it's like, It was a song with the words and the chants there's a minute I'm trying to and I'm trying to see, and I'm sorry

and I'm just while the guy he'd be so they were to attended and they'd and they'd turn to the bar

and all the light and all right so I fissed that because it was not good and I'm and I was

parted with the cassette I had a machine to listen to listen to listen to listen to

so loup so I'm and I'm a minute I'm me said to get to the guitar in the head.

There had no guitar I'd rent-a-drent a guitar to someone, and I've made a riff. And then, and it was a son. And the guy who cried to work with me, and the table of the clock, I was a guy who'd worked at L'NF, that's a night magic.

It's a bar? Yeah, the bar on a new magic, yeah. It was in front of our show, that. It's a lot of... It's not a lot of the elements for that it works. This song, essentially, it's a riff and a word

cried by an amy in a... Yeah, it's me who's me who's cried also, but it's my who's the word. But he's a closh-a-vash.

Okay, so it's it's a closh-a-a-vash-a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Yeah, yeah, it's the thing, it's a martel. Yeah. It's a martel. But it can't on a few of things,

a song that works. Now, today, you know, there's, you know, there's It's just the bass drum with a guy who who'd have been,

you know, it's kind to do you, it's like, all people do you, it's like, and the time,

the time, also, they're, their, their color, their force. Is it, you know,

you know, what you're doing, not really, no, I'm never made, no,

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, radio, you know, I'm not

a... It's what the first moment where the music you've, you've got intrigued, you have used

to understand how it's not, it's the comprehension, it was more to have, I'm quite quite a

person, so a moment, I got, I got, I got, I was, there, there were,

there were, there were the guy that used to do the guitar also, it's a bit, so, you,

you'd, you'd be, a, a couple, and then you play music with other friends, and then, whoop, they're not so p. So, you play in the cell

dance of dance. At this time, there's not a system of sound, there's nothing. There's not a orchestra. There's person who dances, so. There were not a DJ.

Well, there's not, you know, and all the one had a pickup, but, you know, but it's an affair with a little old-parlour in the cover,

you know, you, you know, you're not enough to be able to not enough. No, no, no, no, it's sure. And also,

the people want to listen their their song favorite, you know, at this time that, all the people shant at the same

tune, a little, if I could, you can say, that's not real, but a little, you know,

the tune, it was the tune popular, everyone wanted to sing the tune popular. At what age,

you have received your first guitar? 11 years. 11 years? Yeah, at Paock. At Paque?

Yeah. It's a good, that's a beautiful that. Yeah, but it's, and the

kids, and the kids, they'd play of the guitar, so, it's like, it's, so,

So it was cool. I've grown to that in the and that everyone has to play to play the guitar. Your father did what in the

life? My father had made a lot of at this time. He'd vending these auto very long time.

Tote the family before that when he was in the confisery. In the confisery? He did

some don't know really I really It's not interested I don't. I don't know. I'm not

attire to that's... But the guitar it's that you're not, at least, at the time, you know,

you're going to do you know, it's so, it's so, it's about that. You know, the corn. Yeah,

the corn, it's all. It's those there, yeah. The corn on the head, yeah, the corner of

the diabble who come with the rock and roll. Is it you know, of the first a song that you have learned,

a joke? Oh, it's probably an affair well, I don't know of the guitar,

especially. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

you know, these, these, things instrumental of the times. The theme

of Peter Gun and then. Yeah, that's, it's a very modern, it was a bit, but

we had some, before that, the years 50, they'd that, they'd

that, they'd they'd instrumental. And what do you think of your parents that you

interested? My my parents always would have to dance so so it's not

a affair it's not it's not it's not in a clergy but

but the church there's there's some of the music also. Yeah,

there's the music at the church. There's there there were there

there were there had some at gogo maybe at at

at the yeah that's trying to keep pop

up the pace Yeah, it's not It's not quite Functioning Not all the other, no Is it Is it all right

Is it all right to see That's all Your life? No, no No, no But no, No, it's There's not,

the people, they want to, they want to It's a bit Like, as it's going to be your affair, you

Yeah, but you're not all the time Number one, you know, all the time, you, you know, everyone will not

always to watch to sing, but you're going to pay me, you're going to say, you know, you're saying, you understand. So, it's sure that it's a... It's a safari. The arts, people don't have to be able to do that.

You know, they're going to continue to eat. They're going to, you know, we're going to continue to eat. It's all right. In my time, it's not all right, you know, in my time, in the time that we're talking, when you're young, you're going to play. The music of the recenteur, it's not. The music, it's the barbier, it existed.

There, you have not of that. There's not anything. We're not doing the music in the telephone. Oh, yeah, the telephone is there's other things.

It's a gross patent to creche on the wall. How is it? How is you have joined the chancelier? Well,

it's been Andre, I'm like, I'm very, I'm very, I'm too.

Andry Parenthood, we were in the same time, we're coming to do, we're still

at the same and at some time he had quit the group that we had to a group

We used to do the dance, we were at Laval, at different places in the cell of the dance. And it was not, we were correct. The moment, we used to like, when they'd like, they'd like, they'd say, they'd be able to, you know, so, so, you know, it's been a job, but we're not bad, we'd have,

we'd have, we'd have, so. And we'd have been, he'd be able to join this group, that, who were the chancelier, who was the leader of the chancelier, he's called, Jill Breyer, a guy, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very gentian,

a car in the guitar. And then he's just, he had to join in the group, and then, and then, he said, hey, he said, the guy, he said, the singer, they're running in the police. He ran in police. So, so I said, okay, so I've got, so I've got, like, I've had a bit

with those other, I've got, like, a year and a half, with the chancelier, and then, and then, and then after that, I've got to do, the disc, a little, young, chanteer, uh, of French, or the traduction in English, I've made an album like that. One of the

songs the most markant, of the chancelier, if the people who listen to presently, they're not, I'd like to listen the generation of today.

There's a bit the My Generation Quebec. Yeah, the batter, Pierre, he tripe a big because he had some drum,

naturally, that I did he did dolemans and he'd play a lot. Yeah, so, so he was that,

so he was a son naturally, and he's, Pierre, he stopped in his name all the time. He was always

very excited. He's partied. They're parted. They're parted at Port Andry. He was the bassist of the group, that's right?

He had played with Charles he had played with the different clubs, the things of jazz, the group for the don't.

The cheveveeons, the chimes as fleurs, the people do you say, you're saying in the generation of today.

Is that you were for real generations? a little exaggerate. Well, no, it's a clune, no. The guy,

he'd really, he had really, you know, he's forced to be to be color and it.

But, but it's like whatever a fad, it's due and then it, and then it's changed.

It's weird, because on the poachette of your first album solo in 68,

you're really really in a good man, I'm, yeah, I, I shanted,

I, I, I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I,

and, They did these clubs square, you know, so it's like... It's what a club square? Well, you know, the world's on Dishmanche, even if it's mordy, uh... And then you're going to arrive in... And it's an other time, also. It's an epoch where it's a bit more straight,

you know, the world, he'd spurned-rosy and a tattoo on the board of the face, you know, I'd say, it's not that, the patent. The tattoos in the face had not yet ever been... I think, you, it'd be tough to have to have to go to Dorman, I thought that it would have been surprised

it's it's a whole it's a lot it's in the world I mean, I mean,

I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, do you do you know, your first album,

or do you do you like that, you know, it's an opportunity to continue to be in

this environment there, plus than there's not there's not there's not really there there's not really

there, you're not in trying to, it's all it's all that, it's all, you, it's like,

you're, you chant, know, it's all, you know, if there's retombe of that, especially at this time, it's not necessarily in place, you know, all these things,

it's like, today, there's a little more, there's a little bit more, how we could say, control on, not the control, but there's a

man on the pooh of all the reso, so there's a knowledge of what, there's just an affair is there's not there's just an affair, there's not a bit of cash,

You can't? Before, there were not an industry, but there had an industry, but there's no more than money. That's it. I'm in your lecture of the situation. In 68, you know, your first album, you're in an abbey,

well, guys, and then, you know, in 70, two years later, you're torsone, on the poachette of your second album, with a female. Yeah, but, you know, you know, the poachette,

it's really a thing to try to try to, I'll try to tell you, so I'll tell you, to explain it's that even in the time

where you do you do it with the carvette there's there's not not that

because we're we're not an organ trio, you know, when we had used at this

time, I had made the club straight, it was just an org with guitar and then

after that we did, we've done we've had on guitar bass later, blah blah,

but you I had hair long to the shoulder and I'm just just made to cry

a imposter in a club because you have the long. We're trying we didn't not do what it's

the guy with the guy with the guy with the tuxedos also. We're getting the

three epis here they're trying to play and everything in whatever at the my

song preferred that's the disc the disc didn't not necessarily

the patent so that when we're that when I made

I'm for a nation that that's that's the group

that was the group that had Deny La Page that

He played with Lourg, who was really a talent fantastic. Even if it's because of Denny that I used in the course of the guitar because at a moment I had arighted and he said, Michelle, continue to play, continue to play. So, then he was parted, Danny. Danny, he had a hit in disco. He had all the things. It was a cocclush at the time.

He was just a player of trumpet when he was young, and he sang to ur-n-be, and he had a little night of the sun, he had his group, and it was all the boot. It was really popular at the end of the page. In 71, you were enrageted your first album in English? You've done it, you know, at Abbey Road, is it? No.

No. So, it's an... It's a legend of urban, it's? It's because the people are... Let's be tell you. The most of the songs that I registered, the people are registered,

the people, it's in Toronto. We have made a boot to Studio Apple. Studio Apple, it's there where they've played on the toilet. Yeah. That's Apple Studios.

What the people call Abby Road, it's EMI. They call it Abbey Road because the studio he's sure Abby Road. It's not

that, you know, and then it's not, that, you know, and then, and then, there were many studios, he'd say

too Abbey Road because he said it's not at St. John or whatever. It's a studio that, so he said Abby Road.

But the studio Apple, it's on three sales. Ravel Row. It's there where they've played on

the studio you're in a cave. The guy who's like us the bodyguard he went to

do you know to do you know, the girl Mal Evans he set to get to get to get

hair and have his hair that's a number. Mal Evans Ruelead Ratch. Yeah.

But you know, that's not me who invented, it's not me that it's written

absolutely everywhere that your album of 71 will be to be Rue.

Yeah, but you see that, you can't not control that, you know, you're

to start after all, you know, they're they're they're

they're not, they're that's Abbey Road, you know, Abbey Road, it's

Emai Studios who today, it's called Air or whatever, they've don't know,

they're going to do, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, but we're we're doing a bit of

an bout of album in the subsole, the studio there, and it's a little

a studio experimental. There were some plaques of metal, the plaques in rubber, the guys,

they're going to spend their money to do they're in their money with their own. The guy of beaters.

Yeah, I remember not a job, I don't know. But how is you have had

this opportunity that to have been there, we're there, we're going to get, there,

you know, there, you know, it's like, it's like, I'm even not a photo of anything of all,

but I'm, but I'm, I'm going to often, also, and after, and after, But we've made

that maybe in a week or two, I remember I remember, there was a grave everywhere, the vidange in a circle, it was like

these big monuments of vidange, and it was a lot of a petted in the studio and a big ton of the tux that's on the piano

and the piano it was over and that's when he was in trying to play range hours. At least the platform

had the sense of the timing. Oh, full timing. But the guys, they all came to get to all got to

all got to to revere the piano at the enver, but it's like a tughio that petted. So, there's a lot of session. There are three great hit on this album, Loving You and Easy, Range Hours, and something, some dance. Yeah.

Well, I've had the chance. There are different guys who have played on different discs. It's not all the same guys. You're Ronnie Frank L. He played the drum, a young drummer of Montreal who was fantastic,

his role, of this quality of player, and then the venue enteezy, I think, it's Richard Tate who's on top. Yeah, Richard Remagnac. And then, and on, it's Ronnie. And he'll see, Something, it's Frank

Lerousseau, who he's on something, dance. The man, who he's used to, I can't frappy. But, you know, you said that you've been lucky that you, it had come back to you, that you're trying to, you? Yeah, you know, I'm in the way to ask for that, to be a decreature, you know. You're going to say? You know, I don't know.

It's like a ponder of something, you know, there's a gistence to do something. There's an abutisement. I'm searching an abutisement to something, and just so, you know, an a, it's a little the guy with the plume, doha, and he's an inquiry, you know. With the color roll.

I have a vision a bit conservativeist of the creation, but it's a bit that, for me, it's a guy who's a guy who's he's a kid, he's written, he's an idea, he's things,

naturally he's he's been in the way, but, you know, it's a job, it's tough. I'm not an

man, you know, it's not, no, but the songs, it's kind of , it's a job. Yeah,

I'm a limit, you know, I'm a melodist that's a melodyist that's a decor , I'm a melodist, decorator,

I'm a methodist decorator. I think that they're the very beautiful and very memorable melody, that's the Lovineau-en-Elysie, and we'll

listen a lot of our life, and we're saying, I'm not the first one of you complimented on this song. Oh, no, but I'm to say,

the people like that, time I'm trying, I don't, I don't, I'm not what I'm, I try to give the maximum

of life for that it don't know the impression that he he's rappled, you know, because if you

you're not to do you're there's that, it's that you're there's something that's something that's like, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's more, It's just like a banjo and there's some of the castagnette, it's not grave.

It's how you join all together for an moment and then the moment it works. But is you have always to create a moment?

I try very very far. But it's always a target, a, you know, a target, a, a,

a, you know, there are the swatty, you're more hot. You're a little at a quote. But you're trying to always not long, you know. Your friend Steve,

with who you have played for several years, he had already said that he has learned about the writing of songs in passing the time with you by Osmos, just in playing

your repertoire. But also, he said that you had given some conseil. Ah, well, I'll repeat for, you know,

but it's what a good song for you? I don't know. Something that's not something that's it's a fun

when you have done, if you're not, if you're not able to be that's a satisfaction,

I'm sure that you know, so, so, if you're if you're able to do that and there,

there's a idea, hey, it's the fun, I'm I like that, you know, I'm so,

you know, it's not necessarily that you're that's that's that, but it's that there

something that it's, but there's it's not that it works for you. You know, it's not

that it's like it's it's like it's like it's not to be a problem. And you

are you, is that you're very exigant in over you mind? I think

yes, I think you think it that you don't that you accept

your mediocrity like a a medium so you have that you're overpass a little bit where you're

my album live Quebecoa preferre is that the vought in 73 yeah

it's a tabarwate of Ben with you you're playing there's on the guitar yeah Billy Workman

yeah the frere of nanette also at the guitar can you me can you

me Well, Johnny is still there. Yeah, he's still in life, you're still in front of me.

Yeah, the frere, you're part and he, and he, and he, the drummer, he's a

Britannick. Derek Kandricks. Derek, yeah, he, he came to Coventry, Coventry,

is like the Detroit, in the United States, like, it's like, they're doing all the banyol, you know,

and, and, he's a guy very gentier, it's a guy that's a guy who's a part,

he was married with an Bonnie, and, you know, I was always on the party, and at a moment of the day, he had attended, well, he was in a retreat, but he'd ensigned to yoga at the police, you know, so, I don't know what, so the party. He was, well, and, you know, I've been

a bit re-versed, because I didn't have been to 30 or 20 years, and then I've heard of a 20, and then, you know, he's, too, me rended guru to see, for the police, you know. A friend's secret, I don't know what, in all the other. But your friend, Johnny, who, who plays the guitar with you, with who you

you have played long time in the group rockers also? Yeah, it was a kind of a group fictive because

we had done a name for a album. It's all the album for so the title because it's an album

and they had all sorts of to do it it's all right to make an enlistry also. You're

talking about rock and roll of the 90s. But, but I think. I'm very

much, the version of little Queenie there's really really super good, you know,

you know, it's for What I'm going to say by there, is that for me, you know, well, far away. It's far away.

Yeah. Well, I've understood that you like you don't know the word, but what's... No, it's not that

I like I'm not the word. I like, but I'm not that's just that I'm see not like an

screen-in. Is that I'm an person, I'm not, you? Is you you can be

about the creation at large of the I'm how it has appeared this

song that? I think it was I thought it was a while I started to chant a bad a d'arm

to the same and a minute it's not really anything that's not really as simple than that I'm saying

something some d'n I've done in 20 minutes but you know sometimes it's it's like it's just

it's what I'm it's not saying that you pon something to do it in 15 minutes and people it's going to wow it's not

bad But It's Leonard Cohen He said that it He said that it He had It's been It's a little

He said a bit Shocked that Bob Dylan He said I'm just I can't I'm just Yeah, but

it's like, It's like It's like, It's like, I know how Leonard It's a man It's a man

Very patient who said He said, but who But, but he had the good of the

melody also We're an impinge not the other But it it's amends a year,

you know, a guy who does just of the writing, you know, it's a other story,

you know, it's not an writing that, you know, that's, that's, who has

a need of a certain rhythmic or a certain, a debby, a, you know, all these

affairs, that, you, it's, it's, it's, it's a other way

to serve to serve of an tool, if I can It's... It's your cousin,

the O'Nard Coe? Or, at a bit of pretty? I don't say what they're saying,

but yes, it's a person that I know. He was how in the real life?

Very very good, very very sympathetic for me. You talked about the album

that you had done the group that was not really a group rockers in 1714,

that's like it's like an etiquette that's a, we're in the reprises there

the price. Chuck Barry, Eddie Cochran, summertime blues, you have do Little Richard, you have, the Buddy Ollie, Not Fade Away. Is that the rock and roll

of this epoch, has been surpassed by the suite, or it's insurpassable Little Richard and Chuck Barry? Well, I think it's pretty

the person, you know, also, he, you know, it's sure that all this period that had created very,

big gross of the debut of what it was for the young for the

rock and roll, even if it had started a bit before for the other, but there

had been good tune. I mean, Chuck Barry, he's an writer,

because these texts are fantastic to Chuck Barry. It's really, it's really,

it's really, it's all these real pieces, and it's Tom's Sub B, and it's a rime, and it's drould, and he he's done, you know,

so, he's hard to bat in this affair, that. Little Richard, there's a more stuff, but it's he, you, it's a very, very good chanter, and, me, what I tripped, he, is when he cried in the micro, that, you know, it,

it's like, it's true, you. There's a, there, it's a question, it, in a, in case, that, you know, I liked that, you. I like a lot, James Brown also. We all of course, we were to do Beatles.

We did all the little salle of dance in doing these tons of Beatles. And when we had started to do that, because we were a little of stage there, we had some, we had these groups with the horns and all of that, and we'd have to play in the sals of, and you'd absolutely enjoy some of the chachas.

And since that, you'd play not, you'd have no, because everyone danced to the dance in line, people danced on the line, people danced on the chatt-cha. So, at a moment, we had decided to switchy, and we had to have started to do beat up. We didn't want to be able to be engaged.

So, there, we'd have to play in in these places a little more of young or a ravard, for my view, all that, there were more people, there were more, with the teenagers, all that and all. So, with that, it's a point,

we've done for a year and a half, and then after that, well, I've got to be more James Brown than the Beatles. So, so that's it, that's it. Is that you've ever seen in a spectacle? James Brown? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's a comment. I've never seen young, young, no. I think the last time I've seen, it was at Paris,

at Bersice. Yeah, the Stade of Berski. Yeah, and then, it was organized by one of my friends at this night, in

all the day, and then, the stadium is plain to cracker, you know, because at this time, in France, there were,

the children of I think it's a song that's a sex machine. And then, all the world in France know sex machine. Pamp, pamp, pamp, pamp, that's that. Yeah, he goes to a beat, it's a few minutes that he's just a minute, he goes, and then he comes to pitch,

all sorts of things. He's the greatest, he's the whatever, he said, and he said, and then, he said, and then, he said, and he, he started to stage, and again, and there were the one, again, the minute, the music. And then a good, he would,

he went up and the guy he'd remounted in court and then he'd be cranked then a other

he went to dancing on the pad but he had been and he had a bit more and there were

all the little bit of his vest like like the little little man you

with a ball on the bould on the booton and then he had cried in the

he said he said sex machine and the to turn to happen after it after it

explosive sex machine in too James Brown great You're talking of Paris, of the France

You've been You've been I've ever seen In fact, I'm going to Yeah, I'm going to The most long period consecutive I've been set up

In the years In the years Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah You're like you Have you made The album with George Gislin

Yeah, yeah How you're Yeah, yeah, I think that's A thing Where there was Avert of Some great

Coppin who I found that I was I did rock and roll in French, and then he set interested, and blah, blah, blah, and then the end of the things

are coming to where it's not really me. I've inherited the project that the people never had to finish.

It's certainly that I've done with, John. We're not able to finish the disc, to play Michel

Pagliaro, he will us arrange to that. Oh, I don't know if it's so it's evident

that the life, there, sometimes it's just of the things that it's not necessarily

of things that you course that you course that a moment you say okay I'm going to invests to

do that or I'm too much or you know it's also it's interesting also we've had

a lot of desire it's not always it's easy but I've applied

many of the things of Jack like you're a mystic maniac that

in what way it's a guy pete You know, it's a guy that's a fantastic, that's a very, very... The monsieur who had discovered a monsieur who was in the Legion

French, that, it was not a rigolo. He'd work at Yamaic, Claude de Jock, he's called. He, he'd written, he said, oh, and he, he said, oh, and he, he's he that he had discovered, Jacques, he had he'd have signed at Yomai. Because he'd find it grandiloquant, you know, he thought that interesting.

But there were a lot of presence on the scene also. Ah, yeah, and he had debarked to the scene, it was an other history.

It was better? No, but I'd say, it's just there were my son, so he could have been, if he'd

could have been, if he'd be, so, you'd say. So, what's what you have learned with him? The persistence,

yeah, the persistence, and the patience also. But it's a good job. and then we've had amused a lot of

there's a lot of things, but you know, you've made made a part of David Bowie in the 30th August 186.

We're not of that's a little David Bowie. But the affair that's the thing is, it's the only thing they've made

an affair in the museum of Canada and it's the only thing, they've been that I've got that I've gone

the price of governor general, they've not said that I've got that I've gained the Walk of Fame

They've not written that I'm aware the patron of Pantheon. They've not written to that. You have composed

some that's he had made these escutored in French in English, and he opened the first

for David Bowie. The six gang of dead pick. In plus, we've got cut electricity in the show.

And in plus, I've opened many of the shows for the group American that's not

that I'm derange not it, it's normal and then Carlos Santana whatever, you, of other group

David Bowie, it's like if it was an accomplishment. It's just a demerer, in plus. For someone, we'll get a message to the museum, these people, they're getting to get a governor-general, at least,

because it's the person of the bureau of governor-general who had won't have a photo of the plaque. Well, I hope that he will attend this interview that. Ah, well, I hope,

I, I hope, I, I'm in, I hope, I'll be, I'm gonna call this. You'll never, you'll get it. You're not a souvenir impissable of this morning. No. Glass Spider Tour,

at the state of Olympic, the state of Olympic, the state of Olympic, to all the other way, it's not really. Ah, well, the guys

the crew are with you, the giant toilet bowl. The ball of toilet bowl. But is you have any good souvenirs of the first party

that you have done? Carlos Santana and Maudan, we're supposed to dover the show for Carlos Santana, my joeer de base, who's in New York

he's pogned at the airport, he's not capable of rentry. So I call justly Jack, the guy that we see here, to come in the last minute, and then we repeat it a bit of fit in the chamber of hockey. It's at the forum, it's right?

And then, and we're, with us other, there, a guy who's in a club Thursdays, it's at Rue Crescent, in the time that it would have just

an orange G. in the old my mom that's called Bernard Ragnos. I don't know

that he had part of a girl but still there's a guy who still there and he's a little bit of

yeah, and me, you know, he's a choole so he's he's been with us

there, so he's a month an month an year in the set of Santana

his player to he tombe bang the face bang in the planchie down the planchie

out The guy with who we had who had come in the stage, he had been at bass to the guy, he set up, and then he started to play. So, now, the guy, the moment, Carlos, he's returning to the bar,

he went to, you know, they're talking to the bar, he looked at that. There, a couple, he had two great guys who are on the stage they were, and they were out of the last night on bar, he was there. I played with Carlos Sintana. I played with Carlos Sintana.

You've demurated his claim to fame. So, you know, so... So, we can't he can't leave that. I can't he's going to a short instant with...

Very cool, yeah. I was... You've been to... You've got to be... You've got to be... Morale of the history. It's a fault, that's my fault.

It's my fault. But it's not my fault that you've been in the bomb. No. But he's been a little interlude. I'll say

that, I'm the first time that I've lived in a spectacle, it's in 2005, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st, the 1st of April Wine.

And off and back. And this night, you have completely volleed the show. It was pretty gendant for April Wine and off and back

because, you're playing with Steve Hill at the guitar, Martin Lavalle, at the battery, and then... Yeah,

rock the roch at the bass, with who you have made your DVD live at Quebec in 2005. Yeah, it was a

we had a little chemie, and it was very cute, we're all, we're all, it's been it, we're It's the duration, I don't know, I remember

how many times, it said, a little bit, we've done, we've had a few, a bit, a bit, partoo. And then, we've had an opportunity to do have an DVD, but the guy, he had not to bring, all the cameras,

we had just a camera, and then we'd be able to do this it's an infer, because, some, we had just these patchage of image, of whatever, in the case, but we had reached

to come in, so, we've got to get a finality, so, just a comic, you know. I've talked to Steve recently, and we'd say to all the two that's cool than a DVD, but it's probably

a veneal of that, a testimony strictly sonar of the show. Yeah, I was never made because

I thought that the trick sonor it was not as good that when we were it when it was

not also it's not also, but it's an opinion that I had been view that's me

it's me that's me I'm going to have a veneal of that Michelle, so, a venal,

oh, Chris, obligiz of a venal. Is we Is we presentant for a CD to buy?

No, the fact that's like that it's a fad It's a good Yeah, but you know, it's a very Petit Balloon,

you know, to the other so, we're running to year completely that, you it's like,

you're like, you're like, you're like, all the phone Yeah, and, you know, and, it's like,

it's a new thing, it's just the computer but he's more power, you know, it's still the same

but he continues to grow up, you know, it's all that, you know, it's all that, you know, it's a what you're going to do, you know, so. And then, you're a proxen to calculate even more quickly. At times, at times, he starts to grow, really, Mr. AI, you know, to have his capacity batheur, he is, can'tot, in trying to mongue, you know, at the time, you know, to eat, you know, to eat, you're going to make, you know, time to think of what you're going to tell, you, he'll tell you, you know. When I was you have seen in 2005,

in the first part of Offenbach, obviously, Jerry Bullet, he was not there because he had quited for many years.

It's Martin Deschant who shaned in his place. Is it, is you have known, well,

Jerry Bullet? Yeah, very, yeah. When we were younger, we had some people who

had the guys who had been the tournets. The chancolier and the and the gamblain? Yeah, I remember

in a place in particular, we know had been many places that man, we'd a matine

in a cavern. Matine, it's a morning? Well, matine, it's the day it's the

day. After midd a minute. It's the mataned with two bann, the day

in a club per'd in the wood with a tempete of the snow enormous.

And I would be always of that that's, you know, it's like the

things that's like the things, they're playing to play of the

battery, that I, that I I know not really, but I know that his friend played with him for him during a good moment in this time. And is that it would have done a good concert? Oh, I don't remember.

I see that the only thing I remember is that he was like three little old people in the verne with these big beers, you know? It's that. It's a rock and roll, sometimes. Ah, yeah, man, it's the desert. You want, but it's not supposed to.

Well, there I'll be, I don't want you to make in color, Michelle. I'll look at an extract of an article on you on the nextelie Petrovsky a couple years.

She's an legend circuled in the middle of the middle of the music. There are

years in a concert in plenair PAG would had entraned some of some of

these new songs at forth saver contrary, the accue the public would have

traumatized and pushed to be to be to be in public no new no newt

which he not are not not sure. Is it is true or it false?

Well, it's But, one, because I don't believe a shit, so it's like, it's not because she, it's, it's a traduies these proper reaction to what would be supposed to, if it would be on stage that, because, like, we've asked, a few times,

to play these tunes, that we know it, it's not, it's a lot, it's, it's always, but, you know, and I'm refuged in the I don't know I'm

in the press you have said to hear that you you're saying that's the satisfaction

to suey at Grose Gout for finish by trying by trying a riff yeah

well that's it's a cartoon is what a good riff well it's something

that's something that was able to be able to be able to join and that the

other like like you. A good riff. Some of it's just a moose, it's a good riff. But, we're not

it's a good pre-coud, you know, it's not an affair, but it's the affair but it's the affair, maybe it's that's a

rift, it's just a, uh, a pre-cud, a pre-cud, a pre-cud, yeah. You have 23 years at this moment, at the moment of this

interview that, you're saying, I'll just, I'll you'll be, I'm just, it's like, he's in trying to say that, is that he's motivated to

something that he's satisfied. And then, you know, that it's, that's, that's, that's, that's prent, he's ready to do that. That's what it would say. That's still that's true. And it depends on the job. But it's sure that when you're incited

to be able to pursue something, it's because, in some kind of, there's a contact, a sensation, a perspective of something, there's a thing that's intrigue, that you're amuse, what you're in,

there's a curiosity, stimulate the curiosity, I don't know what. And then, you're going to proceed to pursue, just as to time that you're an abutismant of an completitude, you know, it's not just

a rift, it's a rift, but with all the affair. Because it's, you know, what is Peter Gunn? When you're young, you're talking to, you know, you're talking... All right, Henry Mancini, who is a grand orchestra, he's a riff. But it's not just that, it's the other boot also who comes with Peter Grant.

You know, it's not just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know. Because the people who play the guitar, I'd just the boot, but he'd just the boot. But he'd play not the boot. It's a brand of the other boot. Yeah, it's a lot of boot, you know, It's what he does the grandiose of these things. In any of course,

what I said, he has found a good riff, and then after that, he had made a real music on the music on, and it's made a good theme. The riff, it's the debut. Well, it's sure that, you know, it's due to come by that, because at a moment, you know, it's, it has to find a load of affairs,

you have to start somewhere. I'll have to start somewhere. I'm going to start somewhere. Is you, you're still in studio? All the time. I'm at all the time. I'm always a time. You have a studio?

I'd probably not that, a studio. I have a place where I, I have a different sort of things. I've worked a lot of money of the archivage of the past that I've had been, many, many of things that have never been viewed, fete, or whatever. So I'm in trying to put all this in a grow pot, and we're going to have to be with that, me and my family, who is an excellent photograph and artist,

a person of a good good. Stefan, who's a stewardess? Oh, yeah, yeah. My wife, she has a lot of talent. And then she'll even a lot, so I'm supporting, I'm encouraged. She makes a lot, she does, have been a lot,

in the instant? Groopoe? The pot, in which... Ah, group poe, yeah, Joe. Jack, Groopoe. What is he going to get with the poe? Ah, who is?

Who is? First, we need all to put all in the group after that we can

say, what's there in the in the group of the about? Is it what we're

in the group po? Is it what we filter what? Ah, yeah, sometimes

to be filtered it's well, there's there's a thing that we have never no,

there's so, so it's some, that's just, that's there's just, I don't,

I have done, my family also, on the time, we're all the same time, we're all

music. So it means that it's a morning we're going to be a day and Michael Paggarro will have

out of out of some po yeah, but I think that's important it's not just

to sort to get the pot, it's also to have some the show with the

poe. The poe show. You see, I'm trying to you try to

you talk the album don't all the people you

call because I'm 88, but I don't but I don't know you're not in color. No, okay, okay, it's just that

it's just like that they were coming to talk about to get back to the end up justremant until they're when it's not when it's not

a studio, you know, you know, you know, in the studio, there was something I didn't not that, I didn't want to

do that, so there, there had been there was a chican but I'm if it's not not, I'm not because, you know,

if you're part of the subvention, because there's 24-hre or more than the other affair, fuck-off. You've had a year a contract with audiogram, in a certain time. Yeah, before, also. There's a two, three episodes. And, well, I was, I'm going to, I'm going to fool. The only thing that I'm saying,

is that it's something that I like not. It's a lot of something that I'm not going to do. They're so they're going to do with the government. They're so, but they've not been to that, you're not. We've put in our position, and there's an arrangement, and blah, blah, blah. But the fact that I find that I think it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, the art, it's not the school. You go to school for learn things about the law.

And then, you deviant, you deviant, you know, the person who who liked to do this, someone who wants to survive to do that, who's going to live, that's other thing. The guy who wants to live just a sculpture, the tabernac, he's better to have the connections. It's not for everyone who has to be able to do. Same for the

paintuers and it's sure that the government s'amile they're trying to support

and they're very well but they're obliged to have the regles but it's like

that it clash because it's not good why it's it's

yeah we're we're we're we're the world of you

they use even not so you're so so what's

what's what's how it's what plastic, we can manufacture. My story, it costs even more of the money. They're not going to say,

they're saying, they're not going to be, you know, they'll do, but make, you'll make the promotion, do you know, on the radio social? Yeah, yeah, so, in the other

so, so, so, so, there's, a lot of, everybody's, a bonnet, it's not a guy who's going to

have to get a record, you, you know, he's a bono, he's paid $15 years, they're going to be, they're doing, they're not sure

to do that to mount at the price, It's not much money. No, but that's

like, you know, $25. They have all the films, all the music, all the bullshit, it's all deconted

in micro poe, it's, you know, the money, it's deconted, and it's like, you know,

at least, if, you know, at least, if the, the company of Banyol, he had regarded

the, the CD player, but at least, it'd have been the, it's a better place for to listen,

it's, there'd be, And, you know, the guys who's probably with all, they're doing two gross chard of $100,000, $100,000, you know, make, you know, make you a DVD player,

like that, at least, you can't encourage a group or an artist, you've got to get his CD, but there, they're on, they're on, but... It's a lot, but...

It's a lot, so, so, you, so, you, all the planet are in trying to change, the, that's... All right, you can't stop progress, but it's all right, we're going to be,

but it's... But it's all right, that's the world that's that's that's there's there's

there's there's different period where different projects with different gang

have been started that's that they're not been finished completely and

why it's simple because it's simple because it had been the project a bit

to come to be to be after that the time has made that the other

Musicians, they're in the giron for doing other bebelle. And there's a project that had been made to make sure

to do that, but it's not made not more, blah, blah, blah. At the end of that,

there was there was there was a sort of disc, of compilation, the whatever, that's made a

good thing, because it has made to the song to continue. But for me, it's not a

question of disc, an album, of this, it's, it's, it's, you know,

so I'm in a fool, you know, you, you know, your main group at a moor, to know me

a tonne you know, more than you, chant me, three, you know, they're gonna be, so much more than

to do that, what's the rest of your stuff, it's like, it's, it's, like, and in the

poe, so is there some of the different projects that have abutti? Full poe. Full poe.

Full poe. Okay. Jack, full the poe. It's so that in the por, there are there are some of

there are other There's a lot of things. There's a plain, it's a po. I'd like that people can't see your face. Presently, your soulre

when you're talking about to talk. But, yeah, it's a poe, you know, that's the adventure. It's me

I'm an adventurier, I like that the adventures. Michel Pagliero, the adventurier of rock and roll. Yeah, it's it's, it's,

it's, you have an adventure, but naturally in the adventures, there's a risk. Mm-hmm. That's not an adventure.

A risk. But, like a dicton who'd say that's a risk to be in my song

favorite of your my is the time press. Ah, interesting. Interesting. Interesting,

why. There's an urgency in this song that. Yes. Because it the time

press. I like the pre-refering. Or the pre-court? The pre-coute. What do you have

to the time? Ah, the time is immediate. The time, the time, the time, is the life.

because we traverse the time. We're going to we're going to we're going to the time. All the time for me,

it's all what there is, it's the time. All of the time. We're in the next galaxy, but it's due time.

Even if you voyage at the speed of the light, it's it's a time the time, it's all. The time, it's

all. And we're like, we're a Marine, we're not long time. So, while we're there, we're going to try to try to do. We'd have to try to do the best things. Yeah. Is that you like that, to get it? That me derange for the total. No.

No. No. No. Is what an alternative? There you go. There you go, man. You're not. You're not a philosopher, Michel.

It's going to be profite, s exprimed, live, move, bougie, discover, all of these

beautiful because, to all the going to go down. So, there, before you're going to be down,

so, so, I'm going to say, some, I've said, some, I've said, the show, you know, I'm in a place to say, you know, I'm at the age, then you say, are you capable or you're not capable?

You know, it's a joke, so. You're still. You're still. The health is he? I'm not, I'm not a problem of health. So, you, I'm correct. My way, 77, my project. Frankly, I don't know.

I'm not, it's nothing. Seventy-old, it's nothing, it's nothing. It's like an etincelel. It's sure that, you know, you try through the time, you know, yeah, I had had to have to be, and there's a chominy

and there's a chominymere, and there's a chimimidement, yeah, there's a lot, a chimine, yeah, there's a sort of thing, there's a period who got t'platt, and it's, it's,

it's not really fun, and, you know, it's like, n'pore what, it's like, it's like the temperature. And then, then it's just, and then, you know, so, so,

so, so, so, I, you know, I, I've got ppped there to, I said, I'm not that you're a malediction. You see, it's a very frappie. We've talked to George Thurston, you know. The cancer, yeah.

We were together, well, we're together. George and Tony, really, we're together. And George, I was very malade. And everyone thought he'd have to pass it, but it's Tony that passed in the van. You know, yeah. But they're, they're, they're malad. You know, I'm not a mad.

So I'm not. made the time that he passed. Mick Jagger has finished the cap of the 80 and he's on the same. Well, yeah,

well, yeah. But, you know, they've done many of the affairs, they've passed

many of the moments where they're they're going, they're going to be past the grand period of

years, they're going, I've passed a bit of them because he was in the other studio,

but in any case, I'd not all right, but... We're We're in London,

is that? Paris. At Paris. Yeah. He'd worked often in the time that

at Chappate at Boulogne Bianco. It's like that you have you have been encountered.

There was an old a man that that was an old not very a great Frenchet

with his be in immense and he was like like they're like they're like the guardian of night.

And the guy, when he arrived, they were in the middle of the night, and he sat there, he'd he'd set out of TV in the lobby of the place, and he looked at the thing. And then, and then,

a friend to me, he said, he said, Jules, it's the name of the Mr. he said, the guy, he'd

all around the television, and he'd say, Jules, Sylvie Bout, and he said, he changed the post. He's had to say, no point in nasty,

he said, Because everyone has jaded on top to do anything he's not he laughed he'd have tried so much

because you have played with you? No, no, no, no, no, no. They don't

have to join on the phone. Ronnie Wood, he thought, if he's here, man, he should come down, he's come on down,

man, he's over here, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he made a guy there's a, he had, there were, there were,

there were, it's on board, and he looked, and then, he had made all these guitars, and the studio is a place immense. You know, there's an orchestra symphonic there had made all these guitars, but completely around, all, all, all, all, all,

that's all sorts of guitar, of collection. There's a tonne. So, the guy, he went, and he went to that, and then a coup, he pung a stratocaster, a candy apple,

and then he comes to, he got in with. And then, it's not a good idea. Oh, man, he had replaced the guitar, He had to have eaten a ton of march. He had repartes in court.

In the case, he's the story of the same. The connery, you know. He was too janty, Keith Richards? I know not. No, okay. You've said you've got to be there. Yeah, but, you know. Briefly.

In doing pee-pies. Well, it's already not bad. To have a pipie at Keith Richards. It's rather Mick Jagger and Ronnie Wood, the pipie. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, I've got some of, you know, I have some of, you know, it's all these stories. But, you know, it's like, ah, he racked. They're still in the connolly.

No, but it's the very story, but it's just it's the connery. I imagine that there are many the people who are approached for to create your

biography in the years. Yeah, even you know? No, I think not. No? No, it's

it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, you know, it's, you're gonna be

it, you're, Louie, career. Ah, yeah, okay, who's, he's occupied of your stuff,

yeah, but he's okay, so it's gonna it'd like, to write your biography, Michelle? But, you know, what's it you want to say? Well, you know, I'm saying.

No, no, no. But what I mean, is that you know, if you feel to say at all the part of certain connery, the adon of the you, you know,

I'm really to talk to this? I'll talk to it after a minute because I'm going to find an interview, I don't know what, and I should say,

so I'm just men to say, all I'm doing these connery. Okay, well, we're we're talking about for the biography.

Oh, I'm not a grand enthusiasm. No, one, money. There's no money. So, why do you have to say?

Yeah. You've got to tell you have to tell us. They've got to say, you know, that's not going to see. There's a pain, he had been deprimed.

If I recounts, if I'm going to it, it's because it's a real pet of the life, and it's really, I'd like, I'd like my memory with my

plume dole of, you. Like an scriven. Like an writer. It's, it's, it's entronized

to pantheon of the authors, Compositeer Canadian? An other asiates. Is it that that's what I'm doing. I don't know. I'm doing so.

A trophy, an asiette, a medal. Well, I don't know. You know, it's that. Where's the money? No, I'm doing jokes. But... But there are of your friends who are

who are... Ah, boy? Lard of the gala. Oh, yeah. Staville will be there. Oh, yeah. You're on trying to say some of the things

I've never been saying. It's been announced in the media. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm going to listen. I'm immunized. There's a list of the artist

who had been announced. It's not clear who were there for she'll intronized because there are the St. McGarragal who are also

introduced, Francois, and then Flore and Volan. But, I'm just due that I've deduied that for

you're not homage to you. Oh. Just that's your name. We don't know. We're not. We're there

to be there to make garagal. We're not. We don't. We don't. We don't. We'll go, we'll see that in the media. Yeah.

Which media? I received a communique of press in my box, courier. Oh, but you're a journalist. You're just under the journalists. They're just with us other. They're not going to give up to the public. You see, he's going to get rid of the journal.

Maybe it's not quite a bit of the story. In other, hey, aye, aye, yeah. Let's it, Michelle. We're in there, we're in there. We're in there. Who's what he said, the press? I said, the press, it's plenty of money, all that, he said, no, no, it's

it's rendered a co-op. It's a, an OSBL. An OSBL? It's on bu, lucrative. The press? On the NBL, in the organism, it's no lucrative. OSBL, O'NBL, I don't know.

In any of it, okay. We'll reckon of these don't, Michelle, if you want to do you want to do, you'll have to be thinking. You'll say, they're going to say, are, how much, are the things more urgent

than that. A bit, yeah. But I'm content that there's an opportunity, a continuity, to want to do something with that. I don't know what it's, so the press, that. It's what, what, what, what, what? What's what happened? There's been, there. Oh, yeah, we're not diffused on Internet.

Okay, there's not a paper. There's no, no, okay. But there's an edition on the tablet, the Press Plus, and the iPad. Oh, okay. I'm going to be able to see it on the tablet. No, no, the tablette electronic. The Press Plus. Okay.

But why the tablet, the other guy, the other guy, he's the telephone, you know what? Yes, there's an edition also. We can't do it

on his telephone. Oh, okay. Because the format is parreye. You know, our more best edition with the more graphicism

if it's the press plus. The encryption is different for the telephone. That's right. You have, you know, you know, now on the press.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, if you do you. My podcast, my ballado, Michel,

Sintitute just between you and me. Is there a the last thing that you

would like to say, that would be that's would be able to you and it's a no,

but it's it's a pleasure to do you have to be doing this about, I don't know,

in the other people, there are more than you know, okay, well,

there are who have who have some time. Um, I'm not another thing,

I'm going to say, well, let's say, so, you, too, you, too,

I, I, say, Go see. I've got a last thing. I'm going to prepare you

one thing. In fact, it's like a sort of reproach, the duproach that I'm to address.

Michel, in all respect. I was in a spectacle a few years in Cherbrook at Oh, my God, Burger.

You were just with Jeff Smallwood, your friend guitarist. At the end, you have said, I'm going to get a few

times in my lodge, I come, if you want, if you want to be there to be there to be there to be me usually,

to take a person, it doesn't make a lot of my blonde, Dominique, what it's to tend to rest. She had been

that I wanted that I wanted and then we're attending Michael, we've I've got to you're going to

you're not no that's very that's very they've had a reason grave. Well,

it's so I'm we're trying the landmain also, maybe we're not not quite like I'm not

not quite I'm not I'm kidding I'm saying one, I'm I'm going to interview Michel

and then I'll have my selfie oh yeah but it's it's rare so. Is that

is you acceptory you? that we'll bring a photo. I said, yeah, there's a little old chum who had to be

shooting at a lot he'd probably like 20,500 000 photo also, we're going to make a one of plus.

Okay, it's not the quantitative that's just we've made a little in a little in a little.

Thank you a bit of Biscay, man. Just between you and me Oh