Juste entre toi et moi - Suzanne Clement

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

À l’approche de la sortie de Pauline Julien : femme pays, Suzanne Clément accorde un rare long entretien. Elle se confie sur sa propension à être dure envers elle-même, sa passion pour le voyage et son désir de tourner à nouveau avec Xavier Dolan. Elle raconte aussi une récente visite au Piknic Électronik.

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Well, welcome to an episode, but I've been to be a woman that I dream to meet up before a little moment, it's been a long time, yes, it's been long time, I've been to say, it's been long time

that I've ever and the astres are finally aligned, the astres because she's in a film that's an afix soon.

My invite is today is the actress Susanne Clement and the film in which she has been called Pauline Julian,

Two point Fempey. It's a realization of Anahis Barbo-Lavallette. It's a record the career of the singer's Pauline-Julien. It will be the fissure

everywhere to Quebec until 25 September. When Susan is arrived in studio, we got to get to jazes we've jazes

of our preferences in material, d'o pettient. We've jazes to voyage also. Susan me talked of

a recent voyage that she has in Africa, notably in Ethiopia. I've I've been the

signal for that you Be you're not astonished when Susan will come back on when she will mention the

capital of Ethiopia, it's to say Addis Ababa. I'm also that Susan Clement in Stat

it's diffuses all the Mardy at 20 on 20 on this is

more more than a time with a woman Sozanne Klemann.

So, you have the bio of Pauline Yeah that certain

said it's a bit ardu but it's far interesting

It is certainly very, very well documented. It was all. Yes, it's that. For my type of work, it was perfect. So you've leu, the biography. Yeah, I've all over it, I've been all right, I've got all right, because, actually,

we have access to many, many, of archives of Pauline at the, of the book. There's a lot of references to these journals, intimate, which is formidable. It's like to have access to the pasty of a personage

it's like, for me, it's a personage, but, obviously, it's a great personage, but yeah, yeah, and,

you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

it's a person, but it's a thing, papillone much. Yeah,

I, I thought, I, you know, I'm, you know, because I, I said,

oh, no, okay, in fact, to Pauline, she did, it, was a

, able to be able, but, she was able to, it, she had had the, she had,

the, the, , to put it all in question like that, and vomite his show, and remit in question to their relationship, and, you know, wow.

We're wondering what's what you're going to because it's very early, a scene of of vomiting. Susan Brann, a gorger, of opetietiette. We had a debate,

of a debate, on a subject of a very, very serious, essential, on the opetient, and then I've got that you not very bubbly.

You're more, if I suppose, it's not a company Quebec- Well, Esca, it's certainly a company Quebecoise. Yes, so we're, we're not trying to

a lot of Ska. I'd rather than to have to be able to make a declaration incendiary today on the subject. I'm in the misery, but I

don't want to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to the diminution of my consumption of alcohol. Ah, the bobbly?

Yeah. I'm not a lot of bobbly, I'm going to be a bobbly for less bollas. You're an alcoholic? No.

It's here that You pleur and you you're trying to to be the contrary. You know, that's the, you know,

that's going to be to be sure to play. I'm going to be sure. It's not so complicated. No?

No, it's a the muscle is a lot to be a lot to have to be a lot of difficult in

the work of an actor, an actress that's, to play at the screen, surcomand or almost.

It's sure that's not just simple not really, but it's not necessarily the thing the first of the

one of the muscle, you know, it's like a bit habitue, you know, how we say

a muscle that's entraned, there. But, it's true that if you've ever ever ever seen,

it's maybe the first time it's to be difficult, it's like, it's like a special

bit of you're free if you're there, there, there's all there, there,

there, there, there, the fact, but in the same time, it's more you

you're I'm used to have plenty of a trigger, as we say in English, there's, I don't know

like that. Trigger, but some on the on which we're to use an image a little more than it.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, a moment on a, a moment of a moment

of the age, I think that we're more, I think, it's the I think, it's Glenn Tramble

a moment who me said, Suzanne, I, I see, of the of the

I don't know it's what of the tampon you know and I'm saying we're talking

we're talking about the publicist it's a long time yeah, so they're the same

these are the are you are you see it's not too indiscret to you don't

be very interesting yeah oh boy it's super interesting um

but in the life sometimes when I talk of my parents

it can be easy to the of the dewee of my parents, let's talk, when I'm,

when I'm, when I when I'm when I'm I'm sure, I'm sure, it's, I'm not forciment,

I'm probably, I'm not probably, but, there's some there's some that's the subject, and there's

sometimes it also in some of the scenes if we have to, don't know a certain

emotion, and that suffie not, you know, sometimes we can't be sometimes we can probably,

we're able to different to get to get to make to get to, because I

imagine that the The ideal is to let's get emported by what we're in trying to play. Well, it's an

more more, you know, it's a little bit that's a little that you know, when you know, when you're really in,

and that's the character, it's so, it's a merveeue, I think, but there's there's a few,

some, we're really that we're doing this emotion for a person, so that we can also use,

and on the during, too, you know, because a price it's, because a price, it's,

because a price, three, It's not a part of the same emotion. In a way, it's a bit more. I've given that it's a bit of pensive if it's a scene particularly charged. Yeah, yeah. Often, it's the first place for me.

Personally, yes. Yeah, one take, Suzanne? I'm not if it's one take, but my first is often a major. There's their 10th or their 2nd or or I don't know what, but

often, sometimes it's more to be more to be repeated or just say the more, because like that, because that's like, because that's I'm trying to the magic

of the spontaneity. There are many of the idea about how to embody a person of the type of a person that

a person who existed, that the people know, there are some Jim Carrey for example when he

incarned Andy Kaufman, who is demurray after the during the tournage, even in

the prison, even in revening to see. He has No, it's not really. But, almost. Mario St. Amant, also, I

I mean, he said that when he was a carny Jerry Boolet, entre the prides, he demanded as we to address to him, like if he was... Jerry?

I know, I'm not that. You know, how you... I'd like that you call it. It would be a pleasure. It would be a bit strange on the duration, but if you'd say,

even if you'd say a message on my responder, in talking to Pauline, I'd like that. It'd be a pleasure to interview with Pauline, Julian, in fact.

Ah, yes. Well, we can do that? We'll have to play this. We can channely, Pauline. I've even brought my disc preferreferre of Pauline Julian license complete. Oh, I know not,

that's the issue. Well, I know, but I'm not. Because I've got plenty of discs, I also, for... And it's kind of complicated. I don't know if it's been complicated, I don't know if it's

possible to Pauline Julian were not accessible on the platforms of... Oh, like Spotify and Apple Music. So, So it was to turn to the vinyl,

like the gym. But it's the tue that's the thing that's on me on. It's the two minutes, the song, by Richard Rangue. But not that, it's sure that there's there too, there's a lot of

disc usagy, justly. So, that's the one of, I think, yes, I'll see. Pardon, because I'm,

I've got to, I'm actually, it's a merveue, parenthesis, to, to listen, on a tourn-disk, a good,

tourn-d-d-d-d- Is that you've been in a tournoddice? No, I'd have to get for the cause. Wow. Not char,

but I don't know, it's a other listen. There you talk to a convertie, I'm a problem of vinyl. Okay.

Alcohol and vinyl. Yes. My problem to be like that. Your podcast. I'll note. It's probably

the title of a project. The suite. Alcohol and vinil. But what's he's had in the rediscovered of the world

of the vinyl? Well, um, I'm just I'm just to know. I don't know what's what what's what it's a

chis that's a is a chastain? Is it a the problem? It's a subatine. I can't

not be on tithe to say Susan. It's a show of chastin. Yes. Well, it's not grave

it, it's not ever, it's it never on live on little. I don't say, you have said

I'd say, I'd say after having bought all the disc of Pollyne that I could Pauline, it's like,

it's an act, you know, it's a lot, I don't know what's the thing, but it's like a pleasure

different, I think, more choised, or, I'm, it's the fact, I don't, I don't,

when I'm a final, there's a fact, there's a thing, there's a thing,

there's a yeah, maybe, you know, and you, and you, you don't, you'd say,

you'd, you'd, I think you're not going to change your disc for, in other case, I'm not going to, I'm a company, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, I see, I'm a moment,

precious, I don't know, but I can't do other things also in the same time, but I, I don't know a small theory, in fact, I, I see that's right fast, you're just a lot of repose. But I, but I'm really,

but I'm really so. I'm just in a lot of flagellé like that, Susan. Oh, thank you. So, it's, it's, it's, it's long, the podcast. It's a part of the,

Her attitude, the autofagelagelation? Yes, yes, yeah. I see for... I think that I'm still a little hard with me. Exigent? Yeah. It's a little fatigant,

sometimes. I'll take a gorget. She'll take a gorget. She'll take a pettient. Oh, thank you. That would be an excellent pubs. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Is it's... Is that you've been to be... Is it to be more due? At your agar. At all the day.

And how you proceed? You're what your strategy? Because it's a bit paranoia. In fact, what I've identified also, is that at a moment I don't know, I think that it's an

tool. If I'm remit always in question the work that it's a way, it's a better but it's not

the code. It's a droll of theory to have to what's, which is not false completely

no more, to say, ah, what's what I have done, and where I'm going, but if the remiss in question,

it's to be sure what has not been or what has been, or what has been changed, as a motor to changement and a motor for s amelioring, it's a, it's based on the ego, and it's not, it's not, it's not just,

and it's not gente with so. I've been talking, like, Pauline, it's not, it's, it's that, and it's so, and it's so, because, in fact, at a moment,

it's hard to see the good, the whole, the, what's what's just plain,

plain, plenem positive, and, that's the unsteal me also, I'm also,

I'm saying, because I mean this work that over me right, to not, to not

to be rated or more good in what I have done, in what I'm to not, to be,

that, yeah, yeah, not, not, to think to the question that I'd

have had have you had been put up to be if I'm more concerned with the best things that I have been in the moment

present. Oh, well, you know, I'd not, I'd have not, I'd have not, I'm not, and then, or the comparison,

that, it's it's also, oh, yeah, but, also, it's a lot. Because at a minute, there's not,

there's not, you know, when you're always in trying to do, but, it's always it would be that,

it would be Yes, but it's going to be. In fact, I've done your questions. Just here, all right? All right. Okay, all right. But I'll go back to the question that I've asked. There are eight questions.

We'll re-fermary, the whole petiante, the disc vinyl. I'd ask you to ask you, in evoke to Mario St. Tintamaan and Jim Carrey, how you had envisaged this personage that, which is not an personage because it's a woman who has really existed? Is it exigured that we're called Pauline on the plateau? No, I've not I've been I think

I've been to repo all the time. So, I mean, but it wasn't it was not by

that, it would be to make a call, Pauline, no, no, I'm,

I'm I'm I've been playing from the start, because I mean,

I'm saying, you know, I've got to be something to canalize my stress.

It's an excellent. And, and it's that, it's that, you part also,

you part, also, in, the positive is the fun, it's a a good, a research on this person

that has existed and it's by what, to read his writing his books, learn their exchange,

and also, what she was she said, she was a song, she said, she'd repented these

songs, it's all to do you, all right, I'm, you know, I'm put in the can't,

and I, and I'm done these hours of that. And so, for, for, for,

for, for, for, for, uh, the, anxiety, it's,

it's, to encre in the real, in the experience of being a shower in a friend, so I'm a

friend, who's a coach of voice also, and so, we've got started and then, then I've

added Estelle S also, I've had the two coach of chant, and, and, by that's,

okay, well, today, your voice more good, it's, it's what, it's what,

to have a voice re-chof- , it's what, attack a song. It's what too

pushy? It's what interpretate? And then a couple there are some because you lose to say

something for you know, in your in your complexity of human, what we do, what,

to be to do you all what that's what we're in a little thing we're on the

thing we talk about we're talking to that's to do that can us

abit when we're when we're when we're we're not we're not the way, we, we, and the

voice has to be really a lot of things. And even there sometimes I arrived with Estelle in particular, with GP

more, but differently, but you know, sometimes I'm like, okay, well, there, and at a moment,

I'm not able to attack our work because there's there too in my head, and finally, I'm talking,

I'm talking, and there's an emotion that's because I'm or because I'm quite adequate and then

once that the emotion is latched, so there's a part of humanity that is who is

there, but there, it's it's, it's, it's, it's not, you're not

to be, you're not to push, and she, she, she, she, she, the people who are

the people who are being to be able to , to be able to , they're able to understand

that, that's so, that it's happening. It's like a moment parallel, the voice.

So how it has manifested on the plateau? Tantot you said, I've not made a problem,

but it's difficult. I don't know. I don't, I think I, I think it's not long in me,

but the anxiety general of Pauline that was in form so, to the color,

in the, in the, in the same, that I made, to let's, to let's to let's

certain places where we had not decided forcied for sure but

that, Anahe's permit that and even encourage all the that's spontaneous

and full and frugurant or, you know, it encourages a the chaos there,

the humanity profound in all these facets so it was correct to it was right,

but yes some some maybe, some yeah, yeah, yeah,

quite, some, yeah, some, the frustration because I had afraid of to lose

I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm in a minute, because I'm after a time, and the tournage

is a pretty positive in a tournage like that for a personage also intense.

The intensity sare, but sometimes you're just you're just you're aghacced by the

context and the fro, I, I, I've been the misery with the frule,

well, and so, I've been lost, so after, I'm a bit obsid by

a pair of the voice, which is very typical of the chanteuse. And then, is you Susan or it's Pauline? Is, is it I explore, Pauline? I mean, I don't know. But a little. Is it explore Pauline, in saying, tavernac? I'm afraid of

my voice. No, I'm going to do not. I'll have just a prism of that, d'Abor. See, it's a psalm, let's see, just a prism, no, not the feet in the sand. It's not possible. But, but Susan, if you per the voice, it's not grave. Yes, it's

like obscaded by that. I wanted when I arrive on scene that I could give to give a lot of this fervor and this gestual

that Pauline had, for me it was very important. In the overall of the film, I'm not sure that it's

the priority of Anahis and I'm even in reading the film and in meantime it's there also

but, brief, it was part of our chaos creative. There's not a bad

to run a good performance? A part to be someone, that? So we exclude that.

We exclude all the object contondant and the murder that's not that on the but the rest.

And even one time in my life in France I've made a caller too grand and after that I'm regretted

but I was under tension and the people me have really pardoned and I did,

hey, what's what it's what's what it's that is a person that's a

personage that I realized, and I magazineed, in fact, I'm agassinet. And then finally, I realized that he wanted to do the end of the

night and then. You were not in a magazine? It's like if I was made the scene, yeah. There's a

person who's just me touch to me to me, and I'm saying, oh, my dear, okay, it's finished

the exploration. Because, in fact, I actually absolutely not to do that for, for joy,

it's not right. But, but after, yeah, and then, and, then his proper health mental, and

to find attention to the other also. We're we're not not to celebrate the idea to mal

to be in a majorical? No, no, no, no, no, not, we don't, I don't, I don't, I think, not.

After, it's normal that a minute we're a bit, like, it's hard, it's hard, sometimes to

make some to make the limit, also, when we're doing, it's a thing, we're, we're doing

the actors, there's, there's plenty of things that I wanted, that was not forcibly so it's

it's hard to make these limits we're like an espouse a little little arbor fragile like I'm but you

put to make a new and we have the impression that the people attend to us to us and sometimes we're like just in

well fragile or in all the case sensible what's what's what you're

what you're in what you're in Well, it's sure that the scenes of nudity, it's a exigent. We try to make these ballies, now, with the... The coach of an intimacy. Yes.

And at least, I'm reticent because I never had been used to that, even if maybe I'd have due to, at a certain moment, I think, at a one time in my life. And then, finally, I've, in fact, it's made to discover, among other other, a coordinator-dress of intimacy, Mimi, which is formidable. and all

that can to be able to and other, because it's a the actress, it's a little it's the limit, but it's like

someone who is able to make the realisattress says, okay, well, I'm, that I'm doing,

but in the whole, that's, it's not so important. Okay, perfect, and then,

and then, then, then he's a thing, it's formidable, but it does that by moment

we're on want to to give something to do something, there's there, there, there's a liberty

of Pauline, her liberty sexual also, its liberty physical that I wanted to do, but he was not comfortable.

Where I was a scene alone. And I was, my intention is to offer to give to this it's a

help. Some of it, sometimes it's really that. What's what I want to offer to this person's, what?

What's I want to also? Because I know that's that I offer also to the film.

And the more we're, not all the time, but when we are in danger, it's sure

that Often it's interesting for the creation. It's what is the more interesting, with the limit in which we're comfortable. The fact you'd have you had had been a coach of intimacyity, it's because it had to go away? Because there's a realtor,

and it's not a great show, my God. It's a realtor that has not been super respectue. I was young, and I was surprised. And we'd repeteed before all the world, and he was anguoled, and I was in front of all the world.

I'm still in a while you're in a position of vulnerability. Completely, completely. I was with a young actor, and I was like a scene after the love. And I think that's me and a minute

he said, but I'll give my camisole, I think of a minute. And then he said no, or in other what's not what he's he had been very disagreeable.

I'm not I'm not but I've vicarue something and I've had, at this time that it would be perfect.

And, and, even my agents of the time it would have do, normally it's it's written in the contract,

they're should be able to there's a there's a there's a lot of people, but after that in my

head, you can't you can't be able to never, of my life, I'm going to change,

what that's whatever, so I'm, so I'm been very, very calm with him, but I'm

saying, the scene can be very well, no, but there's there's a, there's not,

there's, there's not, but I, I've reved that I vomissed the night. You know,

I've vicarable something that I wanted to something that I wanted to be it's not, it's not

agreeable. It's a real, because I'm saying, you know, there's there's

there can't be there and that's serve also, yeah. We've put our limit.

Yeah, because it's be that you've got to have been to turn to be the end of the

insistence of this realisatour. Yeah, I'd would be to be to put

part and my And I know, and you know, that's the team were there and they'd like, it's like, if I'd

see that today as an actress, it's sure that would be able that I'd pass. What's he had done

to be an actress? Hmm. I'd say, I had two years, and I'd have two years, but I'd

already heard this story, okay. Not to but it's It's a story that

many of the creators have in common an espeteal an espion very, very precoce. Well, yeah, but I,

no, I don't, I think not. The real time, when I was I was I wanted,

I wanted to I was in architecture at a university, and I've made the troupe to theater.

And at a moment of a moment of I'm mocker a processus, you know, of all the

all, but I'm But I I mean, I've just to have to be in a row

to see, like, and then I'm in an auto an set autocritique, I'm,

I'm saying, well, there's so you rest in the troupe and you embark,

and I'm saying, you know, you're doing, you're doing, because now you're, it's like

the element. You're a mocked of the work of repetition? Yes, yeah,

a bit, because it's a matter in- that's a memory very, you know, very beautiful and positive

of what she had offered, but it was a lot of, I don't know, I was, I was very Cartesian at this time, and I was

there, when I was opened, I just opened my door, it's, it's it took two seconds, and then I said, but what world formidable,

in fact, it's like all my life aspired to all, what's, just that we can't justify

perfectly by, at, you know, scientific or I don't know what, or what's what is, what, is it not rationales? And, so, so, I've made my,

my, my, auditions for, for the school of theater, so I've been so I've followed this flow

of, in fact, I think, it's the open up to so, I think, it's that, that's that

that, that that's, that that's, that's, my port of entry, it's been, really, what,

what, that's, that, He has not no of fin, in fact, and that's addressing also

to be the feeling, you know, it's like that I'm going to I'm going to but you're doing it.

I've done to that's the TV that I'm that's a time. Because, what, you're going to get to,

what, you're going, to be the way, I've been, I've been a fun, but... You've been

an author, I'm not, I'm not, you know, you know, you're going to see, the transistor?

Yeah. You're playing Julie? It's, it's the name? It's what is written on Wikipedia, in the case.

Alexander 12-year-old, Julie, 11-on, and Isabel 13-on, are the creator and unique members of an association without bubunucrative

having for a view of the electronic. It's in 19896, you'll trom not. Oh, my God. In other way, in all,

I mean, in the text, I'm a call, there, you know, there was, there was a opportunity to say, ah,

my person, is where, it's, it's very phantasmagory that's a person, and you,

it's a partion, At this time, in In this time, it was, no, it's like, but how you had decroached a role at 12? I had gained a concourse to design, and it was passed at the TV,

and there was someone who had and been used. And I've gotten a little, because my mother had... I've been... Because my mother

had said, I'd have decided a professor scientific, my design not so grandiose, let's be honest. But I've

had designed a woman. Ah. But who had said to design a woman? My mother? So,

it's my My mother who has gained the concourse of design. And we've appreciated the subtext feminist of your design. Well, so they've made the third-price. Well, you're destined to incarnate Pauline Julian.

All right, yeah, exactly. 40 years ago, or at a pretty. Yes, thanks to my mother. We'll have said. We'd have to say it. We're saying in the life. In fact, at,

at the beginning, she was in fact, at least, she and my son and me were at second-air, Yeah. She has all her whole to do with

just to have a matrize in sociology. So, she's a problem. Yeah. Oh,

yeah, it's a woman remarkable. Not the not a middle of the music.

No, not to do you one of the my father had to do this and my of the

work. He liked to say, it's true, I'm not I'll be I'm going to be chanted

in the choral. What's they've thought of that you want to do you

want to We'd say that there's never had never been with that there's a there's a there's a and there's

not sure my parents I'm not I think not I've been having that I've got I've got

the chance to have some it's true I'm saying because I know that's because I'm like,

yeah but yeah it's like yeah yeah it's, my parents my mother

I'm going to I'm going to in Turkey, I had 17 years. So, I think, he had organized my first night at

the hotel, thanks to my name he was in the bank. And I'm remember that, because I

had found, in fact, it was, it's called Volunteers for Peace, the volunteers for the pay.

Hey, I think, I've tried that in a journal, I see not where, a little affair and he said,

if you want to live something to get to, okay, and then I receive the pamphlet,

and I'd choose the Turkey to tell date to tell date at a tell date at this place to this other place,

I'm over there and you pay it's 1015 for two weeks for two weeks. It's a good novel.

But it's a but it means that your 30, 40 people of different people were and did

a job for a village. We'd cruised a tranche for the law

arrive at the school in the north, that's the first the first,

and then the The people of the village we'd do not dairy to our food and we'd do not

to be in the school. So, it's that's that type of project. But, you know, it was to

be in Istanbul, tell the date, tell hour, to bring an bus. So, I'm going to get to

Istanbul, then my house, I don't know a second sth, and then I look at

back, and I'm there's a daughter of course. And then, there's a that's not that exists

not. There were there's a Istanbul. There was a daughter of an horse in the

there's a lot of the lot of people with a little turs a shhiftif not, then I'm

saying, it's a carou that's an arnaque, I'm paying and I'm my God

and then the last the land of the last I didn't, it's existed and then

after that the book that's finished I've been on a bout in Turkey and

I'm I was finished at Istanbul the last day I'd dormed on a to- because it cost it because it's

my voyage my way of my capacity to accue what is different what is what is formidable

different. You're past of the apprentice voyageuse to be very rapidly. That's

that's well, that's because I think I'm I'm trying to I'm to think

that the voyage it's one of the field of your life. Mm-hmm.

What the food, you find out of the food, I said, I thought of, I thought of pork to put it to put it

because I'd probably, why would have to talk about the public. Ah, Dominic, he will go to be there.

But I'm, because I'm going to say, when I'm going to talk to the first morning in Istanbul, when I,

when I, you know, when I, had, you when I, you know, when I'm important, you, there's a lot, it's possible,

but there, there were there were there were, of feta and a certain pen and then

it's a great newtoy for me. Grand epiism completely. Well, then, today you're

there's a problem, but... There's a idea of a problem, but it was just a wow, okay,

it's other things, we're on the voyage. What kind of the world? I was there

I was the sense... Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but we're talking to if,

it's really it's really it's very it's like, Yes, it's like you, Yes, are you a Voyager? Well,

I'm more than you, but I adore that. But it's not, it's not, it's it possible, it's not, no, no,

I'm, I think I'm much more more than you but I have kind of many, I'm trying to

on Japan, for example. I like, I'm going to go to be two times to Berlin, and I

think I I'm often, I'm in return. Oh, yeah. Berlin, I'm, like, we're, we're part of

with some and he , he'd It was froy and I I said, you know,

thank Berlin, we're going to be I'm going to see a year to be able to the beer in the room.

Yeah. I'm going to get to my problem. I'm not, I would not that the people,

I think that I'm a problem of alcohol. Well, it's too too too.

Tant that's not a problem of drug. I'm confirm that no. But,

but I'm there, there's an excellent series of urgency that's what's going to be in. A stat,

a berlino? Yeah. Which is not piqued, the verres, I think I'm the only that's the only that's

I'm talking about to my colleagues and there's person who who comes to and I'm saying but there's a personage

who is an agentologue who is addict to the catamine in the series. It's is called

how? Cranke, Berlin. Cranke Berlin. I think that crank is malady or malade or

yeah. So, it was what the question? What kind of We can't choose a other. The liberty in

In first place, I think, it's that that's what I'm like, after, after the first year of

I'm in in the 24 hour, I think I had had to get a and I'm to go to and I'm going to

to be in a quarter at, it's not the city, no, it's not the town,

it's, at Doa, yeah, at Toa, yeah, and, and, and,

and, Strangement, the metro, he is super accessible. So I've taken my sack of dough. I'm partied in metro. Downtown Doha. I've been... It's three hours, I'm going to. And I'm...

And I'm going to... And I was trying, and I was like, oh, my God. You know, I'm sorry the view of one. After having been eight months in studio, fantastic, a marathon. And then, I'm a marathon. he's just

the night at 14 and I look at and I'm obviously abied differently and we're

in a very super and really in a real souk and really at a I think there's like

there's like a for me it's magic that's the only word that's it's magic and it's

to touch to this degree to it's sure that I voyage like someone who comes

from a our country, who has the comfort of what can who can have been

to be able to be in prison, you know, you know, to make all context, but what's

the chance, just to discover a city only a city, that's one of my pleasure, you know,

to, it's like you're, it's like, you're, on a other, on the

person to be, there's there's a way, it's the fun, also, but I

've, voyage to all a lot of and it's a great bonner. It's like

a febrily it's even like a level of energy to which you touch that is special which is like

mystic a little I don't know but it's that I think it partain a lot of

a liberty also a grand sentiment of liberty and it's that the

word intense comes systematically when we when we're when we talk of you,

is that you do you, is that you know in a moment? A bit, yes. Yes, we,

it's not it's a same. It's not like it's a default. No, it's true.

But I have a kind of calm, I think, but I don't know if the

inverse of intense, it's certainly calm, but I, but I think

I'm the intensity with the time. It's sure it's a It's important that also also,

so, so, it's not a new thing. It's encouraged, even the intensity in the characters in general,

you know, we're all, so, so, yeah. You know, the impression to want to live a

lot of experience different, although in the voyage you just in talking, but in

your time. Yeah, I think that the a resentie also is important in

yeah, yeah, vived these things, and at the time, it's the people,

it's formidable to change of characters. For that, to change the universe, it's

very that's it's passionate. Because from from it's a pretty, we've got your

curriculum vitu, and we're a bit insuffling, we're extenued for you.

You've accomplished in 10 or 12 in about Yeah, ah, yeah, it's after my yeah, I think I'm

putting it's a point of a moment at a moment I'm at I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna in five in five years in five years but I'm

there finally there was there was a desire, an apit to, yeah to be to be plenty

of projects Plain of people, plenty of, yeah, I'm going to I'm in being in the

itself, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's different, you know, a other type of marathon. So, it's a day,

it's not not the repos, yeah, and the medicine, they're there's,

many, of the, that's, that's fascinating when you see the because, you're in

their chance, yeah, they, they, they, they, urgentologist that I like

and it's oh, okay, it's all the time, and especially, the urgent, it's so, you know,

it's not about, I'm not necessarily, the suvevee until the end of the end,

but it could be that's that's a , it's a problem,

but we join, Pauline also, because his appetite to live were different,

but he was great, he was, he was vast, and it was vast. There's one of

the same in the film, where she is jet all the new, we we're going

with his friend Anne Sylvester and the two cry, salue the life. It's a

great scene of gratitude, let's say like that. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, of the appetit

to live also, yeah, they're doing, with the excellent Violet Chauvot, I adore.

I'm so I'm so so much that she just to enjoy Anne Sylvester. Well,

yeah, it's the land, Pauline. If there a thing that's a to her children,

it's that, and Ayes, she's a very, because we've been the same. The same is reproduced

back the end of the same. Yeah. And, and, and, these children, they have

been quite subied a little, you know, the grand zealant of liberty of Pauline,

and we don't know, she's, present over to be present to them. Yeah, the permission

that's done to live, Pauline, you said, but it's, but she's, but it's, she,

she, at this time that, but at this time, at Paris, it was a other thing,

so she said, so she'd so she'd have embraced this affair that, she'd fitte

with this universe, she'd be a box of a box, a box, a box,

in a song, in a box, in a car, there's a photo of her, it's formidable,

with these little botin with these little chocette in, with, like a,

a gavroche a bit, it's, it's, it's, she, she, she,

she, she, Paris, he had metered, and she had metry because she had this world that existed already in her, this apitre. And after that, she'd write in her own, well, she, right, I'd live eight months in Europe,

and I'd go to see why the end of the summer. So, so it's sure for the children, she said, but it's sure that for the there's been, there had been, there were these gross blessure. Yeah, but certainly that at an epoch or no other woman

did that or at a pretty. Yes, yeah. She's it's a important

than the rest and in the time, it's made that has made an life incredible, it's sure,

and that has not ported of the project of a way, and she

had had had had this audace, this grande of this grander, what? What's

you do say, say, say, say, I'm, oh, my God,

so much things. I like the nature. In general, I like me up the morning. Even my coffee.

Salue, the life. These times I'm going to say, I'm going to my coffee but there

there's a thing, my God. Yes, I'm really the life. And when I don't know,

I'm going to, I'm there's a thing, you have I need to connect. It's is what I

do you want to do you? Yeah, even the weekend of the I was the last one day, I said, hey, boy, I'm I'm going to, I'm able to I'm able to be a lot of discipline also,

and sportive, and what that, I'm, hey, Mistress Barbara at all, at all, picnic electronic, you know, and then, I've got, on the last minute, hey, we go, we go, to, I, go. But, that, thank the life for real. It was a formidable set.

She was, and she, and she had, and, she had, Avertis, the fan that her had decided recently, and that's

she had had been not a a lot of a little moment of and she's very,

very inspired it's magnificent. That's that, dance, and live this moment

that with people, with people who are in the smile, well, there can

there be other other thing to have a there, but you there,

it's like an moment of exultation in general. Exactly. Exactly. Exulte,

yes. exulte, you know, we'd like all it's a place and you're of a real

good year, and I have not put to the substance this time. This time I adore Susanne.

I admire your It's already arrived. But now, not, not, not, to,

I have a time to I'm a time, I can, I'm a little alcohol and it's not

fantastic music that's promen in the zones, it's a formidable. And the people

around, yeah, it's so. So, you know, I'm doing, yeah, it's a lot of good,

there's a great, there's a in Lawrence Inueys, where you're in rene with your

red, with your red, in a sound of fade to gray in a

grand ball that's a sort of a sort of a dance, we, it's a song,

it's a music is I'm going to make it in my family also. Yes,

yeah, there's a dance. There's there in a writing. You're a

way. You're it's not that's a bit of a car a job totally

tinctiante. Yes, very transparent also. I'm very stressed of that but...

Like the Pauline Julian at the beginning at the end of

the beginning I live these characters who have such but it is formidable

to do that and even the hair, the shoes, it was... What's what has changed in your life

to have with Xavier O'Land? Oh, my God, there's a lot of things, I think,

well, I think, I know, but it's it's been a moment also for me to me

to me to be to be, you know, you're really in this grand adventure that,

to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the,

mission, and to be in the elan, actually, the eland creative, and the defunce these mure, not to have a problem, to do do or to pass and

do it. But, but, but, so, it's not for person, you know, there's,

there's, there's, you, there's, you, can, you can pay a long or you can be in the anguish,

also, of, oh, my God. I'm sure that Xavier has been, but, um, yeah,

a co-cote very permissive of Xavier, and to be able to why, why I'm to do you do this,

I'm a idea of what I'm doing, even if it's not me that's not, it's not the film,

or who he's we're doing, of what we do what we see, so, the way, we're in

the way, I'm in where I'm maybe, I'll be probably to be to be

because we so being sure to have an career and to have their own and to create,

and to exist and it's apparent to be able to exist for an actor, it's hard. So, sometimes we can

do some some concessions and it have to be to a certain point, because now it's a

moment you have to give to what we're to want, of an actor, of a person of an other,

you've to oses and Xavier, he had really that, I think he made to remind us and then after that,

he's an open to the international, because it's thanks to him, really, that's sure.

But the belle folly of Xavier and and his audace incredible. Is that you're still to turn to

him over a new? I, I never wanted to make that in our enmity,

even if it's our We don't see often, Xavier, but it's always an amy. I never wanted to put

that, but there would be saying, ah, it would be fun. It would be fun, that's not

a moment of a minute, even that I make a little person because it's a great idea to turn with

him. But there's not a little person, there's not the first there's just the...

The little actors. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure. I re-lue an interview

as an It was a bit of a few my colleague, Mark Cassivis in January 2009. It's when the apparition of the film, it's not me, I'll just.

And there's a question of 40- that you'd to be able to to be sure the cap of the 40 years later. And then Mark

to ask, what's that does it do know that you have to be about about 40 years? And you

respond, inconsiaming it's like a deadline in my head. Depute three or four

I think of the impression to gallopper like if all it's all right and that's it was a before it's a I'm going to

have 40 years. You know, you've been able to last year a few years. What's the advice you'd be doing?

No, I'm not. It's my sole advice. No, I'm not I'm an impression

that I've said the contrary, but perhaps not to because I had the impression that I

had come to get to get a bit about. But you you know, it's at the

part of the quarantine. At this time that, yes, that's a It was a

few years that's a quite, you know, it's a very, uh, yeah,

but I think that I talked, yeah, mm-hmm. You know, not that you had galloped

more, yeah, so, I'm, totally, I'm, I'm, I'm,

there's a thing, there, this life, there, it's a 40- I'm

that I'm got to I'm not that I had said that I had to conscientized

a bit about, but, hey, boy, okay, The fuck that I go, I try to try and I've ever seen. So, I've tried to traverse

all sorts of epipede, but I've got zero regret of nothing, in fact. Because before, Leo, the bea, and Botte's Sophie Paquin, you've had incarned many, but

we'd have not offered of partitions also substantial. Yeah, at the TV that mark the people, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanted,

I had, like, conscientious that, also, at a moment that, that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the right to do, and I've, you know, I've,

I've had tried my auditions for that, with a coach, and it's not the first time that I did it, but, you know, when we did manifest something, you know, I'm to do you, I'm going to manifest, yeah, yeah, we're going to, we're not, we're not exaggerate, but there are some, you know, when you decide, and you, you, it's so, The conscientize, it's a good Because, because, sometimes we

want to be not able to admit, but when you admit, you have admitted, you try to make the measures

to do you. It's not just that the universe react to the dream to be in our two eyes. No, it's

that. It's not that's not that's not, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, it's like would be good for me, and it would be interesting that I'm to assume

a role like that. You know, it's the role principal, The name is in the title, the name of the role, you know, so it's, so it's a... So, it's a lot of cord also,

an other responsibility. It's, it's the same thing for stat. It's a, it's a form of responsibility. You're an leader also. And, well, in all the good measure, but, so, so... You have to... You have to...

You've got to... also. You know that, this, this confidence that in to yourself, and that's

okay, well, I can, and I'm going, so I'll have to bring the measures and it's

that, I've got a coach, you know, who, who, who's, I'm able to

identify, because Sophie Parking, it's a person who's a comedy, a comedy dramatic, but,

yeah, it's a comedy. So, so, the clune black, it's what, the clune

blue, the notion that I knew, but it's a bit more vague, and,

And then with her, I identified the moment where, oh, my character, so it was the fun, because she did the two, Sophie, like, my character was with, let's let's talk, I'm with... Eric Bernier. Erick Bernier, ah, yeah, he could be clune-blank, and that

I could become the rouge at this moment and, and vice versa, and, let's on, with Luce, Elizabeth, Elise, Gilbo, it was, she, she, was the clune, she, was the clune old time, but it was formidable, to react to react

to my son personality, I was making a little laugh. And I had to work with Eric

Bernier also my God, my God, we've had an complicit a formidable of the bonner, a man,

so much, so much, elegant, in his power, in his attention to others, and so much

creative, so much I'm just I'm permit to sit the end of this same

with Mark Cassivi in there was there was very interesting. I don't, he's

there, he'd We don't know we're talking to the of the even if you might be able to

he was not he was not he was a he had not his own his own his time he had to

he said he he was like that he was too pretty, and so you know, and so you know,

quite you're quite, you know, he's he's asked so you're so suren or inquiette

by a part to say that's being and you respond, I'm I'm wondering what I

want to get to be to be is a person is a bit suffice? I think that

it's a merit a reflection. I don't know if I should be I'm sure, I think I don't know

never knew, but I'm probably, it's a mannue. It's a final of the article.

It's a good, like the I'm ennue. I think it's what is the I'm not

that's you can't put more more than more than but these questions you're

to be to be to be that. It's true, we're like, we're in

there. You're me feel because, yeah, I'm saying, when I'm when I'm

remit in question, but it's really that I'm trying to do you're that. There's a question, is, is what I'm

to do you really what I'm in this work in the so, so, so, it's,

it's, is that, is that, is, yes, is, she, is there,

the question, for the , to change to me, you know, if I wanted, I, because I see

that I see that people who could not live without, and I think not that I'm not that's a but it's a

bad addiction also to play, and when we don't know, sometimes it's a lot of, it's not, it's,

there, you, there, there, my God, and we have a lot of attention, if we're So, let's

But, but at that, it's also to create, to create the characters, and to get in

age. So, it's an addiction also positive, like, but I don't where I'm I'm in

five-seven years, you know, I'm done a year, but I'm not more more vivant

than that, but you're, you know, you'd do for a new mark, mark, in couring,

we're going, we're going to go ahead together. I'm an excellent interview. I've seen.

There's a real part of danger. You say, to get in danger? Yeah. There are really one, a part of

danger in the work, actor, and actress? I think, yeah, but after, I would

be compared not a person who's going to be a car, it's not a car, not, we're not

more, it's not plus it, or some people who don't know there can't

allow for trying to gain their life. You know, there are there measures.

Yeah, you have not forget that because when we don't know I'm not going to say, but we're not

not to be able that's just just to do the characters. But, yeah, there's really

a price of risk. That's the word that you've used, you're the word, you're using,

I've said, you're saying, you're aggrable to be in danger. To be to be that

you just that you just that you just that you you're saying, yeah, Yes, because

that's it's, you know, it's, it's a funny, because time, let's go to make a phrase. Tantoo,

I was out of home, and I thought, and I had had been many, it's been so much in

France, or even, you know, or a film in English, where I arrived a one single and I

did a point, and I was, and it's in your loge, and it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, in the last years and to have really the impression that's a of a major just to be in

I'm doing this thing that it's super important but I'm a few of preparation I'm in I'm a few of I've been

I've lived a quite anxiety and then and there I aspire to do the otherment because I

think that I can also make confidence to what that I know to me the basin emotive

there exists there I've seen I think the degree of stress was great I had...

I had to... A moment in France, I remember I'm afraid, there's... There was a scene

where my married out of prison and I'm I'm gonna and I'm I'm gonna see,

and I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'd I'd and I'm... And... Stort, me,

out of my Lodge! Sinn't I will be petted to his murs, I'm not able.

Pott'n't, sort, me, to, start, me, to, little, I can't

be more to stress. That, it's a very to be. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Yeah. But they're in danger. You're very generous with me today,

but you're in accord some of some of some a few, some

I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not to make a if I don't say, you

don't if I'm not to be to be conserved, a certain mystery.

Is it would be just to be like that? He does there are a percentage that's a also. I think

even that's more fun for the people to more to more to know, or that it or that we

let us more of an artist, like, to be able to be a personage. I think

that, if you're all the time in in plain, I don't, you know, it's not so

conscious, and after that, there, there, there, there, there,

there, of anxiety to, to, it's it's, it's, it's not,

I don't, I'm, yeah, yeah, preserve, also my intimacy, because,

for plenty reasons, sometimes, after that, we're, we're, after that, we're,

if we, we, it's my impression, to me, I, I, there's,

there's, there's, there, there, there, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's very mysterious, also, to know why we're more pudic with his

life private and his person. Yes, a part of a mystery, it's sure that's a that's a

kind of, you know, completely, like, decided, it's not a thing, that's not,

it's not, I think that this pude that, that you want, that you want to I respect,

if I'm to find the equilibrium in the way, you know, you know, you know,

you're, you know, Your intensity, is you know where she comes? If you know,

if you know to see not, you know, to see not the way there. No, I'm

there's not, I don't know, I don't know, I think, I think it to think it to do you think it

to be a psychanalyst there's, there's a piece, in the cell? She has

she came to plenty of and right, but you decidera in me, in my view,

what's you think, it's at me to ask the diagnostic? Yes,

No, but is it It's a Pair of a man, for example? I'll I'm going to I'm in a

idea. Okay. Because often it's that when we have to live a lot of because

we know that there's a thing that there's a thing. Yeah. A moment where we

could be able to embrace the life. It can be a recently, I said,

but it's even not possible that that finish that finish, like I don't even not the

concept, but as I'm there can't a part of me that's capable to be able to

be able to be able to how I'm going to do that, this fine, that's still in a long time. I hope,

we. We're still, we're we're doing. We're so the same, I'm doing it with these 40 years?

I don't know, it's a great question. I was going to be interviewed, like, you've been to go to

go to go to do that? Yes, I'm I'd like very that.

But I'd have to be to go to my kids, but my my feet, but my feet are they're in

six years. So, voyager with the children of six years. It's a whole of a It's a bit

of the few years. It's a one, it would be a few and it's I'm not, I'm able to to have been

to have been that's an question. What's he's been so it can't a bit.

We'll be able to be able to yeah, and they're more I'm they're more more I'm more,

And then, we're going to be able to say. It's a sonned like a sweat that I'd offer to me even. Oh, it's what it

means. The word liberty, is a word that's a very word that's a word that we're going to

when we're in when we're when we think of her when she's that, what she means what?

Yeah, and the word that it's the engagement face to it's the same,

Pauline also, and it's the engagement also for an other form of liberty that is

the Quebec? Yeah, the language, the Quebec, the feminism, she has embraced a

because, and of, well, of valor, especially. She had had their values.

She was in grand dialogue with her own life, with Gerald also, they've

they've been in a sense as human. It's clear that's for that it has been

so long with all the doubts and the hours, because it was... Yeah, it was not so simple to...

You know, there were a relation open to this time at this time. But, but it's... You know, you've made up to

in the fact, and it's a decision that they had they've made them to make sure. But, it's not, it's that it's been

that's always easy, but they've had this courage that, it's so, he was full of audace.

But it's also a generation that's plenty of audace, I think. But, they, in particular,

and invest very engaged, in the concrete also, Pauline. In the act of all the day someone had been arrested in the

room to say that Pauline had served the soup popular at a at the church, where she had

her own at the end of her life. It's not just the theory, don't? Oh,

no, it's it was a I think the house of Haitian also it's the center

cultural al-Aisian. Aikian. A lot, they were, they were, it was they were, they were

a connection with plenty of people. also, with plenty of creators. She was a foisonnante, Pauline,

really. So, it's not just liberty, it's because for her, it's a engagement. And when I

read these journals, I saw, it's a woman who was a home to a, in

the, in the, in the, the, the, the, responsibility family

for the women, especially of this time, they, they, they,

she's she, she, she, with, she, with, with

with all, with all, it had been to have to be a commas collateral,

but there a lot of there's a very good in a good, so I'm what I'm,

what I'm, what I'm going to and I'm going to people, and I want to talk and I'm

talking to always in in this flow of the desire also to be to be exister also.

It had a grand desire to in the world artistic, you know, to have

an It was a word, actually. It was not banal for her. So, so moor, liberty,

reasoned how for you? I'm, it's always a word that I'm, it's sure. It's,

it's, it's a space of liberty in a day, I think it still, I'm quite formidable.

So, I'm very to have two children. It's sure that it's

that's certainly, the plage that could be attributed to the liberty. But,

yeah, there, there's plenty of liberty there also, I would say, the children are

free, God know, he's taught that, so there's some of the things that I'm not

maybe I'm with my nieces, it's quite wonderful, to have also, I have this connection that. What's what

you do do in a place of a day, if you're a moment? Well, the course

often, so it's said, but the course is accompanied to march or,

I see, I see that the nature It's, like, super important. Because to gore or marches, to gore,

is also to see, it's also to be in the liberty, in fact, the course, I think, so,

but just, to have these plages, I think, I'm need for my people, all the world

on are I'm doing, but certain more than other, I think. At the end of the

biography of Pauline-Julian, the Vi-A-Mour, written by Louise Desjardin, We learn that several

weeks before her death, in September 1998, she assists at a last spectacle, a spectacle

of Rimo de Vos, a grand humorist. She's a grand amy with a packet of a person major,

also, her amitia with Alan Glass, this artist this painter, artist visual, important, sculptor,

that has been to he has made a visit, I think, to you have seen to get to get

to get to get, and Pauline Julian. Yes, there's a Expo that he has been consensured recently. Recently,

I'm going to and I'm going to and I'm going to but... It's very beautiful. Yeah. So,

what the last spectacle to you would have to be able to for a other world in in several,

years, several, years, many, if Miles Davis was still, it had been there,

he had been in a ward of jazz, that would, that would be my rave absolute. But,

but, but, but, but, a grand jazz man, I'm one, or one,

, Yeah, something of inusity, something of... One of a... One of I, I've found out of New York, I... I've put the metro

to go to Brooklyn, but at in the Brooklyn who is now, you know? Not the Brooklyn gentrified. No, not, to do all. It's a house

of the culture noir, we can to say. And I'm there, and I'm like, we're, we're two blanche, in a gang,

and it's, mix of jazz, because finally, it's also the anniversary of a grand

jurist, Afro-American, we'll say the same. And so, so, they serve also the gato

to fete. And, I'm a portion of gato, and there, there's just a tell chanteuse

jazz that is there so far she's going to be back, look, I'm,

I'm, like, like, I'm, So, so, so that's the kind of

of the show, that's, it's not that's not that's my last year, my

last night, my last night. Suzanne, this barado also, it's entitled, just between you and me,

is there a last thing? I'm, I'm, I'm, that we were,

that we're that's, that I'm to say, that'd be just between you and me

just between, and me no, no, that's what you can me do,

No, it's not really. What's what I would say, what I'd say, don't? I don't know. When I shone, I dovite a song. The song that I've martyled to Anayis, I'm very happy to have sung, to have sung, to have sung,

it's a song, Coup-to-Cure since I'm a young. It's a beautiful scene. Oh, my God. When I've seen that I've got to do that I've got to find, Pauline, it's, it's, and that I'd like, that I'd be sure, I'm really, So,

so, so the shock. Yeah. Yeah. Thank Susan.

Thank. Well, Karendt. Just between you and me and me

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