Keep it Positive, Sweetie - Celebrating 10 Seasons of Sistas w/KJ Smith-Black & Jordan Coleman

Episode Date: March 15, 2026

Crystal Renee welcomes KJ Smith Black and Jordan Coleman to celebrate 10 seasons of Tyler Perry’s Sistas and talk about what it’s like playing sisters on screen while building real sisterhood off set. They share how their chemistry came naturally, Jordan’s nerves joining an established cast in season 10 (including a vulnerable first-day scene), and how KJ made space for Jordan to shine. The conversation touches on character growth, family trauma and deflection, the pressure of carrying a show, and how fame can feel isolating even with strong support. They also discuss We Got You Sis community events, handling social media negativity with boundaries and blocking, and why their platforms come with responsibility. KJ plugs her Black Coffee business, and Jordan shares she’s producing an action short film. @luvcrystalrenee @KingJayBarnettSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My sisters, KJ. Smith Black and Jordan Coleman. First, we have the incredible KJ. Smith Black, an actress, executive producer, entrepreneur, and mother who has spent 10 seasons bringing the carriage of Andy Barnes to life. Through her work on Tyler Perry's sisters and beyond, she can, continues to champion stories that center working women, community, and purpose, all while stepping into one of the most transformative chapters of her personal life. And alongside her is Jordan Coleman, a rising voice in television and film, now stepping into the world of sisters at Cheyenne Barnes. Jordan brings a fresh energy to the sisterhood on screen, embodying a character who is bold and emotionally layered. Together they represent what it looks like when legacy meets new beginnings,

when experience and discoveries sit at the same table. Today's conversation is less about titles and more about growth, sisterhood, and what it means to keep evolving in a world that is watching. Kids family, please give a very warm welcome to my sisters, KJ Smith Black, and Jordan Coleman. Kids family, please give a very warm welcome to my sisters, KJ Smith Black and Jordan Coleman.

Sisters. Sisters. Hi, Crystal. Hey, welcome back, KJ. We've had you here before. Welcome, Jordan. How are y'all doing? Oh, so good.

I'm so good. I do too. Oh, my goodness. Can I just say we fight over Jordan? We do. We love her so much. I always lose. Look, you got here yesterday and we were like,

we both have braids. They had braids. The same color on, I was like. But you had the same color. I did, I did. But I kind of took it up a notch with the braids. They're cohesive unit. We are.

We are. We really are. We always end up dressing a light. We do, except today. Y'all came in here looking like golden gloves, and I'm in here. Where am I going? You look great. You look fantastic.

You always look amazing. Thank you. But y'all are stunning. Thank you. Thanks for showing up for me. Of course. Always. Always.

So before we get into the conversation, I want to do a quick rapid fire with you guys. All right. We're going to break the ice. So the first thing that comes to your mind is what you're going to say. And KJ, you can go first and then, George. So we can like kind of. So you know, this is dangerous for me. Are you not good at rapid?

She just says the first thing to come. I need to not be good at rapid. Okay, got it, got to get it. Let's wrap it. I need to think before I'm excited. That's my problem. Let's wrap it. Let's wrap it.

Let's wrap it. Please. Slow, please. Okay, I'm missing. All right. A little bit. A little bit. All right.

We're going to go starting with trailer vibes, dressing room vibes at TPS. Okay. Music playing or quiet focus? Quiet focus. Music playing. I do it. Your favorite self-care after a long day of shooting?

A massage. Yes. Sana. Donna, that's good. KJ treated me to a chiropractor after we finished shooting last season. She just came to see. She just posted it on Instagram. Baby, when I say you, Dr. Dozier, shout out to her.

She got me all the way together. I've never done a lot here. You have me? Never. Never. We have the best. Oh, my goodness. So when you come to Atlanta.

about it yeah that Alex see you just had that's another one one up to me see now I gotta figure out something I'm being alive okay me alive y'all is so all right the first person you text

after a great scene my husband of course he is my mom I was I knew that who was here with us today single

yes one thing you always have in your trailer bag? toothbrush. Deodorant. Yes. Yes. Are you a morning person or a night aisle?

Isle? Owl. Morning. Yes. Morning. Me too. Lip gloss or a matte lip? I'm a gloss girl.

I'm more than Matt. Matt. I love Matt. I love a gloss because I'm trying to switch it up, but I love a good mat. Yeah, I'm the same way. Your favorite comfort movie that you can watch over and over again. Coming to America. As a classic.

Pulp fiction. Okay. It's not very comforting, but boys are fun. Right. And boys are a ride. Violence and drugs. Right. And I'm like, yes.

Right. A song that feels like your main character's anthem. Ooh. Oh, I have so many. I bet you. Oh. I've seen you in action. Oh, I have so many.

I have so many. So many. Um. I'm like, No, this is stressful because I love, you go first. That lady and lady, she's Olivia, yes. Honestly, anything, Olivia Dean.

She's everything. Everything, everything. Right now, Cardi B, hello. It's me. Oh, okay. Yes, for sure. That's my day. I hear it in my head right now.

And the last one, KJ, this might be a little risque for you. But we're going to ask you anyway, who would your dream kiss scene be with? My husband. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to pass that test, baby. That's such a cop out.

I can't say that. Right. Dream kiss? There's so many people. Not that like I want to, but there's just so many people in the world. Okay, I'm going to go with an actor. Okay. I'm going to go with my first celebrity crush.

Okay. Are you ready? Yeah, it's going to blow everyone's mind. Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad. Oh, really? It was like my, I think it was my first celebrity crush. Okay. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Jesse Pinkman. You did something to me. Yes. I loved it. Maybe that. We'll take it.

Okay. I hope he never sees this. That's a good choice. He will. He's going to see it. He's definitely going to see it. It's okay. All right.

Let's get into it, ladies. Okay. Yes. You two play sisters on sisters on sisters. That's a tongue twist. All right. And that is a very layered scenario. When you have two sisters that are playing KJ.

Andy has been there since season one. We're in season 10. And here comes Cheyenne, lighting things up everywhere, not just in your house, but everywhere, as we've seen as of late. Let's talk about what it's like playing sisters on TV and how you both built chemistry to make it seem like it's very authentic from what we see on television. I think our chemistry was right off the bat. Our vibes are immaculate.

We can go from talking about fitness. She's teaching me about fitness and health. And we can talk. about the most mundane silly thing like it's great our chemistry was great off the bat she's just a freaking angel so you know and I am too obviously absolutely and so that's the aesthetic it's very easy and I am a little sister so I it was great because I was able to I'm able to see what I actually did to my sister and so it's actually fun yeah it's fun to be like okay

Were you a good big sister? Were you a little tyrant? I was a little tyrant. I was terrible. I was terrible. And my mom would let me get away with it. She'd be like, help your sister with our homework. And I was like, help.

So you like didn't want to help. You're like figure it out because I did. Like one of those? Oh, no, no, no. I'm the baby sister. Okay. Well, I'm not the baby sister anymore, but I was the baby sister. A very long time.

Okay. My baby sister is now 14. Do I remind you of her at all on the show? Or am I just insane? Shiant. No, you do not remind me. I don't remind me. You like, thank God.

I'm a little. No, no, no, no. You remind me of my former self. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Thank you. You like, I see me and you. When I set the mirror? Yeah.

Yes. Yes. And let's talk about that. I feel like it does have a mirror that kind of shows out on camera, but in real life as well. How has playing a big sister and a younger sister, do you have siblings? No, I'm the only child.

child. But it's interesting because as an only child, you are always looking for someone to either look up to or to talk to you. So I feel like I was easily gravitated towards you as my big sister on the show because it's

interesting as an actor, there was nothing to pull from it in real life, but what I did pull from was the longing of wanting someone like that in my life. And so that need is so desperate in Cheyenne whether people see it or not, so I'm just pulling

from that. I just don't know how to ask you for anything. I just ruin it. I remember we just posted it on Instagram and I said, a little boy likes you and in preschool, they push you down to show you that they like you and that's literally what I'm doing. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. You're good at it.

You are really good at it. Shain, let's talk about day one. On set. You're walking in with this seasoned actress KJ Smith Black who's been dominating and carrying this show for 10 seasons. Yes. Seriously.

Oh my gosh. Receive that. Thank you. Yes. I want to know what did that. Because I mean, I know I start, KJ's been my scene partner since day one as well. Yeah.

So I know what it was like and what I felt as Fatima walking into Andy Barnes office on day one. Mr. Burns wants to see you in the, Mr. Benz was in the conference room. Yes, girl. We all were like, yes.

I was like, just get the lines out. It's always like the easiest line to and you're like. A little black bar. But I want to know what was that first day like for you? The first day was the biggest day. The first two days were shot in her penthouse, which is already like you go into the bathroom and it's 12 by 12 picture of her face. And I'm just standing there like this.

Like what did I get myself into? Where am I? Definitely a little bit of imposter syndrome and I prepared so much just learning the lines. I was like if anything I'm going to know these lines because coming in on season. and 10, that's really the hardest part. They've been doing this. They're so used to this. Can I do this? Can I do what they've been doing?

And can I impress them? And I feel like I did it. You did. But it was a blur. Like I was literally like this. Because the first scene, I dropped my robe. Yeah. That's the first scene. That was the first scene of the day. And that's the first scene in the show. And so it's like one of those things on set, like intimacy coordinators there. It's more quiet.

So there's no hustle and bustle, which helps me as an actor. When it's super quiet, I get even more nervous. I was sweating, and I barely had a close on. But I don't know, I did it. And after we got through that, I was like, yeah, I'm supposed to be here. I'm supposed to be here. You are. This is happening.

But I was nervous. I can't tell you. Even with, like, you called me, obviously weeks before we even started, you're like, this is going to be great, whatever you ever need. You come and you do your thing. Do not worry about outshed. shining neat, like, do you need to do? So I had that in the back of my mind,

but sometimes going onto a set that you're just brand new at, you just, you forget everything. Yeah, for sure. I didn't want her. I think a lot of people have given actresses a bad rap. And I didn't want her to experience what I had experience on some sets

where I'm a girl's girl. Yes. I have the confidence of a thousand wild stallions, okay? And what happens is because I'm so confident, genuinely, people think that it's ego and that I'm not rooting for everyone and that I don't want you to be confident. I've never gotten that from you.

Never, no, that's not my stees at all. I'm like, I want all of my friends looking pretty. Everybody, everyone, whatever that is for you. I'm not saying you got to dress like me or look like me. I'm saying whatever that is for you, your light is shine, I need it to shine. Don't dim it around me because it's like, and we're all so confident, you know.

So it helps. Yeah, we're all so confident. So it's like I wanted her to know we're all confident. Yes. So lean into that. And I love that she's so confident. I love that she's so beautiful. I love that she's so talented.

And I didn't want her to not own that because she thinks that we're going to be like, you know, simmer down. Right, right. And I appreciate. I appreciated that combo so much. I think I probably called my mom right after you had called me. I was like, she just called me, and this is the things that she said.

Because not that it's always happened on set, but just in life in general, being a woman and being confident, I have caught myself dimming my light so many times to try to make sure other women in the room feel better. Right. And it's like, is that my responsibility? It does not work either. I had to, it took a long time. friendships have ended because of it. You know, you have to walk on eggshells because other women don't know their own self-worth. And when you do, it looks like you're doing it on purpose in front of people.

And I can see it. And I am very sympathetic to that. And so then I take on the burden. Right. And that is very annoying. Yeah, for sure. Right. When you have empathy, you see people's insecurities and you're like, I'm just not going to.

And that sucks. Insecurities are nothing to play with. They lead to so many different. dangerous you know things in people's lives and like well I don't want to be part of someone being more insecure but it's self-esteem there's nothing we can do I know sometimes you just have to remove yourself from the situation it's better well I want to tell you definitely came in you did your thing I was you say I wanted to impress and you I was very impressed I was like this girl's on our own

yes and you brought a different dynamic that the show didn't have it's true it's very different you slice it up which I think is what I was kind of nervous about you know watching the show and just making sure I see all's interviews. I'm like, wow, no one is like my character. I'm going to be loud. I'm going to even down to the things I'm wearing. When I meet Zach for the first time, I'm in this really little skirt. And I'm like, do you want me to do what in these five inch heels?

And everyone's in business suits. It's like, because everyone's just like watching me. And I'm like this new character, she's insane. What is she going to do next? What is she going to do? It's pressure, but it's really fun pressure. Yeah. KJ.

after 10 seasons with this character, which is, that's insane to say. Can you believe that? We started in 2019. But God. But God. I want to know what does it feel like welcoming new energy into Andy's story?

It feels amazing. Yeah. Like, you know, season nine is when my mom was introduced, Mrs. Barnes or Missed, wait, is Mrs. or Mrs. I should know that. It would be less. Talk to Miss. Yeah, Miss, technically, because she's not meant, yeah.

She's not, right, right, right. Well, if she's a widow, do they drop it? No, I think you keep it. You keep it. Okay. My mother was in the comments below. I need to know this. In the comments, tell us.

This is important. This is important. I should know this. But when they introduced Andy's mom, I immediately went to the writers and I'm like, thank you so much. Because we didn't get a lot of backstory. We did not understand why Andy was the way she is, why she's so rigid. And then her mom comes in and breaks all her boundaries. She's like, you need to go to church and you need to do this.

And everything you do is not good enough. And I pay for this and da-da-da-da. And you see why Andy is so structured and why she wants to be who, her idea of perfection because her mother put that pressure on her. And so then when we see Cheyenne, and it's like, you don't put that pressure on Cheyenne. They never put it on the baby. I mean, I was a baby. They never put it on the baby.

They don't. And it's like, I'm like, and she let Cheyenne do whatever she wants. That is your sister. She literally says that. That is your sister. I'm going to share something with you all. And not to tell my business, but my mom and my, me and my mom watched the show with my daughter every Wednesday at 9. We watch it like clockwork.

And so we didn't get a chance. I was really sad last night because we didn't get a chance to watch. I didn't get a chance to watch her. And I was like, is my baby watching the show? They were like, she was sleepy. I was like, put the show on for her. She needs to see her. my mama. And we need the radio. Right, we need the radio. And so my mom and me and my daughter watched

the show and my mom said to me and I'm not making this like this is verbatim. My mom goes, I feel like I'm watching myself. Wow. Because she has had these conversations about me with my sister or about my sister with me. And so she literally said that verbatim and she said, I feel like I'm watching myself. And so the way that these writers and Courtney Glaude, who did season 10, the way he wrote that, not even knowing my mom, not even knowing my sister dynamic, I called Courtney immediately.

I said, bro, you wrote my life on film and you don't even know this part of my life. So I just think it's incredible we're telling stories like that. And for art to imitate life, it's so incredible. And I love my cast. I love her so much. So it's such a great dynamic that we love each other, but I can play mad at her. Yeah.

Because it's, it's, we're acting. Yes, you know what I mean? So I love having this new dynamic. I love having this spice in my life. And it's amazing. I think it's what our show needed. And I'm really grateful that season 10, this pinnacle moment is when we have it. No, for sure.

It is like it's a pinnacle time where even in, I think everything's also aligning with what's going on in the world. Absolutely. You know, we touched on in season and carried on into 10 and the things that we're talking about this season, it's just, it definitely relates. And I think that's something we can attest to every season when we walk out into the world. They're like, oh, my goodness, your character reminds me so much of me. I'm like, the team will remind you. What are you doing? Put the gun away.

Put the gun away. Put it down. Please. You got to fight everybody. Please put the bat down. The bag. Whose windows you busting out this week? The tissue.

I'm just grabbing a tissue. I'm just grabbing a tissue. And then I'm just like this. Clueless. Has no idea what's happening. I just don't care. I just don't care. Right.

Exactly. Exactly. I want to know with the growth of both of the show and then of your characters, there's going to be some more growth and expansion for that. What are you open? How do you stay open to like, the characters go. I know we get the scripts and we're like sometimes there was plenty of times

where I was like what are I doing not do this. So how do you like stay in a mindset of you know what I'm just going to not judge it I'm going to allow it or do you have most of you like court me? Right now. I think real it in bro.

I think the difference I would be between mine versus y'all you have such a more like established characters and you have a career You guys are in relationships. I am coming in as such a lost young woman. So my arc is like I'm not even close to becoming who I am yet.

So when Courtney's writing for me and it's a little all over the place and chaotic and I keep messing up, I'm like, that makes sense because I'm a 25-year-old girl who's trying to understand her sister. I don't really have my mom in the picture anymore because she's sick. and I'm just trying to figure out the world. And what does that look like? I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know what's right. I don't know what's wrong. I keep making the wrong decisions.

And I feel like a lot of young 20-year-old women can probably attest to that. Or older women looking back on how they were in their 20s. I know I am annoying on the show, but I'm like, I know y'all did some of this stuff too. Just making some bad decisions. 100%. Yeah, no.

So I'm okay with how Courtney is like riding stuff right now because I'm like, I can tackle that. Yeah. That makes sense. And you have to take yourself out of it, right? The responsibility of an actress is take Jordan out of it. What would Cheyenne do? What is Cheyenne going through?

What is she running from? I didn't have to deal with that type of stuff as Jordan. But Cheyenne. That was hard for me. Yeah. Like taking Crystal out of it. It took me a while to do that. Same.

I was like, you got me looking crazy. That's what my acting coach says all the time. He was like, what Jordan would do, we don't care. What Jordan loves, we don't care. Just Jordan think it's funny? It doesn't matter. What does Cheyenne think? We had to, I'm telling you, I used to, Tyler was sick of me.

I was like, Tyler, what's going on? He'd be like, just simmer down. And then you know what inspires me to stay open is when someone watches a show and they send me a message or a DM or I see them in person and they say, I'm just like this, or I made that same decision, or I am you, or I've done that before. or that inspires me to tell the story the way it's written because no one is living. Like I have to take myself out of it because I have, like you said, I have an obligation to share these journeys how they're supposed to be shared.

Yes. And when I put myself into it, it's like I can't do that freely. I can't be. It's a disservice to myself, the character, and everyone watching. And so when I think, oh, I know what my character is. I know how they would do it. I have to kind of just try to pray about it and remove it because there's somebody who's like, no, I am exactly like this. Yeah.

Because for years, I was like, man, Andy is such a smart dummy. She's such a smart dummy. And I'm like, hold on. We all have those moments. Yes. You're like, I have been to-a-old. I said, oh. I know me sometimes.

I'll lodge my own fault and I wanted to be so self-righteous about who I am and like I would never do that and I would never be put in that situation I would never do that to a friend and I would never, you know, and it's like, man, then I look at my life and I'm like, why could have handled that differently?

Why didn't I see that coming? Why was I so naive about this? Right. You know, we educated and we're like, you know, we're still making interesting choices Yeah, right. I love it. Jordan, your life is taking a new turn.

This is a new season. How have you adjusted to the sister's world and being pushed out even further? Because you've been acting, you've been on other shows. Yeah. But I know this is a different beast. Oh, my gosh. I mean, going up further and further on the call sheet is no joke.

Because like everybody else in L.A. normally, you start off background after, right? I went to a PA. That's how we started, yeah. Yeah, and then try to get like a day player role. Then you try to get that reoccurring. And then when you get that series regular role, it's to be celebrated, of course. And then you're like, oh my gosh,

the responsibility just got way bigger. I am now helping carry a show. It was very nerve-wracking. But I will say coming in with this ensemble, you guys, you've made it easy. I want to I want to say the word easy I'm like every time I think I have to do something alone

or figure out something I'm like wait I can just text Crystal I could just sex KJ I could just text Crystal you got why did you say her first No but it is a really big adjustment you have more eyes on you but I feel like

everything happened at the right time and it prepared myself to be able to handle all these new responsibilities. I think if I was thrown into it eight years ago, I don't know. I don't know because there's so much that goes on, not just on screen. There's agents and there's more people you have to talk to

and there's things that you have to handle behind the scenes that no one is there for and it actually kind of feels more lonely sometimes because all your friends that are still, say, doing background or they're still doing day player roles. And it's like, I'm here. And like, I'm still with them, but I can't always talk to some people about certain things. Absolutely, because I'm in the same space.

It starts getting fewer where you're at. So having you guys, oh, my gosh, on and off set. Yeah. Because we don't really get to talk that much on set. It is like that. It's like that. But boy, like you guys answer my text within 30 seconds sometimes. I don't feel like I'm ever alone.

And I feel like I just have great leadership, great sisterhood. Legit. That's amazing. yet I don't feel alone at all unless it can get lonely because it can be yeah and you said something that was very poignant um if I had a guy in eight years before you would have mishandle it and then also understand and being mature enough to understand that things come in the proper timing um and then it does feel lonely sometimes kajah have you dealt with it as your start continuing to rise and you were like gosh i feel more isolated in this season 100% I feel like this is my isolation

season. Really? Yes, absolutely. I feel like I have to recalibrate. I think, you know, I've been hustling for, I don't even want to say the number, okay? 20 years maybe, just grinding and, you know, working my butt off. And then you, you know, Tyler gives us this opportunity in 2019. And, you know, by that time, my nervous system is still not regulated.

I'm still in grime mode. and I still had thoughts that were not, that were sabotaging me and not serving me. You know, like, oh, this could go away any moment, or, you know, this is fly by night, or this opportunity never happen again. Or this, you know, just thoughts that were not supportive of my dreams. And then, of course, you get in therapy,

and you start to dismantle all those things. And now I'm in a family dynamic where I'm having to learn, not about career things per se because I feel very settled in who I am and who I am in my career and our show and what we do and what we love to do. But now it's a whole family thing where I'm like, okay, you know, now it's leadership of a household. And now it's planning of a legacy and my children and my children's children and understanding

what career and family and friendship looks like. Yeah. Because when I was hustling, it was friends all day. Yep, baby. It was like we were leaning on each other. We had each other's back. And then you're, now you have a partner. Now you have a baby.

Now you take care of your mother and your grandmother. And so it's kind of like, okay, I have to manage this part. I have to figure this part out. And then I can, and I'm telling my friends, I'm being very transparent. I'm like, hey, I am not in the space right now. But when I am, we're back on it. I love you, checking on you, are you well, how's the family, happy New Year, you know, things like that. But I can't be as present with that space in my life.

And of course, I'm going to work. I love working. So when it's time to work, it's like, listen, I have, can I love what we do? I really love what we do. I think what we do changes the world. And I truly believe that. And I feel like we've gotten feedback for that. We talk about the sweeties.

You have changed people's lives with this. show. You have changed people's lives with this show. Imagine if you had not gone through your own journey of healing and figuring yourself out and sharing it with people. You've inspired me to share more. And I'm like, oh, I can share things. Yeah. Wow, I can be myself. Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. You're never getting rid of me now. It really comes back. All right. Shian. Oh, that means you're a good actress. Right. Jordan, Cheyenne comes in boldly shaking things up, but she's also searching for something.

How did you approach that balance and being the one that's the firecracker and spicing things up, but also showing no, I'm in need of something as well? Yeah, I had to sit and think about this character. Because I've done it a lot. When I was younger, especially, like, usually the people that laughs the most, tells the most jokes.

Those are the people that people always say, check on them. Yeah. Because a lot of times they're mad. asking things, you know, and with Cheyenne, she exudes confidence, her makeup is beat, her hair is laid, her clothes are slayed, but within herself, there's, there's, it's, it's a chaos, you know what I mean, so she tries to perfect her looks and she tries to pretend like she's okay, and normally those are the people that need the most help. And I think every episode we're going to start

seeing the way that she's lashing out on you, the way that she is, overly promiscuous with men that she just met. It's all a cry for help, the way that I reach for certain substances to take my mind off of things. Those are all signs of someone that is really in need of a sister, family, friends. And that's the beauty of, you know, watching the show is obviously we're going to see her transition into a woman, hopefully, you know, because of you and because of the sisters on the show. it's going to take a minute because she is a hot mess.

But, you know, that is womanhood, right? Going from a little girl and learning and making mistakes and having people around you. So that's my vision for her. I understand why she's doing what she's doing, and I understand that it's going to change. For sure. Yeah. Just slow.

It's a little arrested development. It's a little bit of arrested development. It's like she still want, in my opinion, I feel like she, she's still, she's still, like you said, a little girl, but it's like, honey, you're 25. Right. You should be looking for a job. Right. You should not be reckless.

Because you say it to me in the show, you're like, how did we become so different, right? But I'm holding trauma with you leaving and I create more trauma from myself by seeing what you made of yourself because I didn't do it. You know, and I'm jealous when I see the law firm. I'm jealous when I see the pet house. And so I use those words and I attack you rather than. celebrating you and just asking for your help and guidance. I'm coming off as snarky and I pretend like I'm okay when really it's jealousy. That's so good.

She touched on how are you? Yeah. In real life? Yeah. Girl, so well-spoken and eloquent and just smart and wise. Keep coming. That's enough, not too much. Your turn.

You got to keep robble. Your turn. I can't think of anything. Sorry. No, thank you. What do you say? I received that. Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people are crying for help.

Yes. So many people are like the ones who are normally laughing and trying to make everybody else laugh. A lot of comedians are like that. For sure, yes. Yeah. But Kevin Hart did they laugh at my pain. Like so many people, Funny Marco said he pulled from pain to be funny, you know. So I agree with you on that.

Those are the people need to check on. And a lot of times their outlashes are the things that they say that aren't so kind it's really a cropper help. I mean, you see people like Anthony Bourdain and, I mean, a bunch of celebrities that gave the world happiness, but they were never happy within themselves. That's so true. It just sucks. Yeah.

That was good. That was good. I know there's somebody that's going to take something from that. That was really good. Now, Kay J, we have watched you and Andy Grove. Oh, yes. How did the character evolving affect your personal life and how Kay J has evolved? Oh.

Um, man, me and Andy. That's my girl. I love Andy. I would not have changed if I didn't play Andy. Wow. I would not have changed because I just, I was stubborn. I was stuck in my ways. I took pride in my trauma.

I took pride in my victimhood. I took pride in, oh, pride, that's my baby's name. You did. You know, I really took pride in the drama of my life, you know. And all of it had become cyclical. So, you know, I would create chaos. And then I would cry to my friends, and they would tell me how great I am and how it's not my fault. And then I wouldn't learn from my mistakes.

And Andy forced me to hold myself accountable. And in a way that I don't think any of my friends could have. I don't think my mom could have. My mom has told me, you need to do this or this or this. And it's like she's my mom. Yeah. So I didn't listen. And my friend, they didn't feel like I was in the space to learn,

or they didn't know it themselves, you know, because, of course, you form bonds where you're at. And so in playing Andy, I was just like, girl, you are a hot mess. And then I had to look at myself and be like, girl, you are a hot mess. I was a hot mess. And I'm not ashamed of it anymore.

I take pride in the person I was. because that person made me who I am now. Exactly. And it was, I thank Andy every day for changing so much of my life. She just changed my whole, I mean, without Andy, I wouldn't have met my husband. Yes. I would not have had my baby. I would not have been afforded the opportunity to retire my mother.

And so she's everything. I love her, and she's still teaching me lessons. Playing her is still teaching me lessons to this day. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. Yeah, same. It's crazy. And I'm so grateful.

Yes, like, yeah, you talk about how Fatima. Yeah. Yes, definitely has changed how I approach relationships. You know, she's a hothead. You know, she's like, I'm going to fix it. She's a fixer. She's like, so whatever it is, I'm ready, riding. And sometimes you got to just, who's going to ride for me?

Right, you know? You got to, like, take a step back to just make sure that the people that you're going so hard for, because Fatima goes hard for everybody. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Even on your friends who I wasn't really friends on the show just by association to you. I'm like what they need. Okay, what you need?

But not saying that like Danny doesn't reciprocate that. But even in real life, when you go hard for everybody else, you have to make sure that people are pouring into you as well. You're like that in real life too. And it's so interesting because Fatima, you're like Fatima in some ways. But, you know, you're not, you know, you're not like that. but maybe. But you genuinely ride for people. You have the heart to help people

and to make sure their lives are better. Like, if I need, I go to your, the first person I'm, do you have a dentist? Like, I need, she's like, oh yeah, this is who I go to. Like, you're just very much that girl. Not a gatekeeper. You're not a gatekeeper. And I'm not a gatekeeper.

No, you're not. You know, and so it's just kind of like our, synergy has just evolved and who we are, it just keeps elevating. And I thank our characters, because who, how would we have seen our fault? I don't want to say that we would have never seen it because God, you know, God reveals it. He probably had been trying to tell us for years. Let me just put you in front of you again. He said, you know what? He's like, here's this mirror. Right. Because this is, I have to give you the message in a way you're going to receive it because you didn't receive it X, X, Y, Z way. Come on, KJ.

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and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You could gently nudge your character in a different direction this season. What would, what direction would you try to push her into? I would try to push her into more empathy for her sister. I think, I think she's very close-minded in, in her idea of what her sister is supposed to be. She wants her to be what she wants her to be, and she has to love her where she is. And I think that's a lesson for,

for a lot of people is you have to love people where they are. Yeah. You know, and so I would nudge her into showing her sister more empathy, more grace, really sitting down and talking to her. She hasn't, she hasn't said,

what has been going on with you? How is your life then? What's your favorite color? Right. You know, what, nothing besides, when are you going to get a job?

Yep. And we're going to get out of this house. And when are you going to get out of my house. Yes. And out, yes. And I think it's, it's not love.

It's not love-based. It's very task-oriented. It's very goal-driven because that's, it's very parental. And that's not what Cheyenne needs from Andy. Cheyenne needs love. Yeah. That's what she's seeking. And Andy needs love too.

If Andy would just, if Andy would just sit with her sister, she would see how they're the same. Andy is promiscuous. Andy will meet somebody and be like, we're going to pound town. I mean, you know, you know, Andy is flesping bellies. Yes, Andy, yeah, maybe she's not taking drugs, but she's going to sip some wine every night or whenever she's...

You have your vices too. Yeah, whenever she doesn't want to deal with her emotions, she's going to get lit and get drunk. No, for sure. You know, so I just really think that if she had more empathy for her sister, she'll see herself and her. And then she'll want to change. She'll want to grow and shift. Right now it's very parental. It's very...

You're almost noticing the differences more rather than trying to... understand me and the similarities. Because you're like, how are we so different? We came from the same house. I was like, well, let's see why you're like this because we came from the same house. You know, how the two different conversations. And what, you know, I can share here, though, is there's obviously some trauma between Cheyenne and Andy that no one wants to address.

Yes. It's the elephant in the room that no one wants to address. And, you know, her mom asked, she said, what happened between you? you two and Andy deflects yeah we're like everyone's like mm-hmm not gonna talk about that yeah and instead of her instead of them coming together because of the trauma they they just I mean oil and water so I can't I would love to see that I would love to see that and I I want us to show what sisterhood means I I have a great sister I have my my two sisters are with my baby right now because I was like, I'm going to work.

And they're with my baby right now. I have great sisters. And so I'm really happy about this arc, this story line, because I'm like, yes, I want the world to see great sisters. And I want everyone to have great sisters like me, you know? And so, you know, I hope we bring that to the world. I love that. And you talked about something that is very prominent in the black culture,

and that's deflection, especially when it comes with trauma. And I hope that I'm not, Courtney, I'm not telling you how to write. to the next season. But I hope that there is something that can shift that for the black culture so we can start talking. I know therapy has become a thing that we're used to now. We go to therapy and we're not ashamed of it

like we used to be such a stigma behind therapy. But I do hope that we can get behind that family trauma that we try to brush under the rug and not address so that families can start healing. Yeah, I'm glad to touch on that. Yeah, so I hope that we can also touch on that. I agree too. We're gonna go behind the scene.

Now, Cheyenne, this was your first season. The show is about sisterhood, but I want to know how you felt sisterhood in real life behind the scenes on sisters. My goodness. I mean, I always talk about it from day one when you called me. When I booked the role, Katie was like, can I call her now? They're like, not yet.

She's like, can I call her now? They're like, just wait a second. She's like, I'm calling her. And she's, hi, it's Kay J. And I was like, hi. And it just from there, I knew what was going to be. fantastic. And then, you know, I'm looking at all y'all's Instagrams. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to press follow yet. I don't want to be that person. And then we get on set. There's gifts.

You guys are welcoming us with open arms. We're dancing. We're singing. Because I think we did a gallery shoot first. We didn't. We sure did. Yeah. That was a great ice leader. It was actually smart. It was fantastic. We weren't, we didn't meet on set. We met in a fun environment where we got to just be laid back a little bit. And that was my first. you know kind of introduction to you guys and it was nerve-wracking being at tyler peri studios is beautiful massive acres and acres of land and everything is so professional and i'm like i just hope i can fit in then season 10 comes out and we're on press tours and we're that was another thing i was almost a little nervous about it's like how does this go like is it just

very you know i get in if we get into the sprinter and we're like where'd you get your nails done What magnesium do you take? And I'm like, yes! Like, I found my group of people. Because you never know until you know of how people are going to be. You took me to a Broadway show when we left. You didn't do that. You didn't do that.

I'm still mad about it. We had dinner. We had oysters. We had oysters. He's like, wow. I have to buy you a yacht. And I received it. You got to.

No, it's a battle. And I got to know you so much in that time, too. We can just talk, just talking and talking. The bonding was really beautiful. Women stuff, business stuff, health stuff. That's what a sisterhood is about. And to be able to have someone that you can talk to about anything and everything, no judgment. I mean, I'm so grateful.

I totally grateful. I know a lot of women don't get this. So she joining a cast and an ensemble that's been going on for 10 years. some people don't even talk on set. It's like, I'm here to do and need to you. Hey, what's up? But with you guys, I mean, we're in multiple group chats. Yeah.

You know, I was like, I left my foundation. Crystal's like, I got you. It's that quick. It's my sister. I don't know if Fatima wants me as her sister. Right. Right now, the way you're going, I don't know. The next time it's not going to be tissue.

No, no, no. It's going to be big, good. Oh, no. I love that that has been your experience. No, seriously, because we take pride in making sure that the energy and the vibes on set are positive and uplifting from, I'm talking about from the PA to the top. We want to make sure that everyone feels love and that we appreciate him because without everybody, they couldn't go on.

But to know that you came on and felt that love definitely makes me feel happy. Yeah, I love that. No complaints. Amazing. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Sisters has an extension called We Got You Sis, and you two recently did a nail salon activation in Atlanta.

Tell me about that experience. You want to go worse? It was so much fun. My favorite thing is not expecting anything and then just being blown away. To have a whole salon transformed, all of our photos. I think where we were set up getting our nails done, it was you, Fatima.

It was just like looking down on us. It was so funny. I was like, oh my. I was like, she's here. But my face, everyone's faces. We had cupcakes with our show on it. And we have these beautiful women coming in, receiving massages, getting their nails done,

and just chit-chatting. It wasn't like a very upscale event. It was very, like, we were just roaming around. We were dancing. People were able to just chat with us, take photos. I love, like, but it's very behind the curtain type of ordeal. Absolutely.

And I love that type of stuff. because it really lets the fans know, like, we're just like you. We're just telling stories. Exactly. And that's our job. But look at us right here. Let's take some selfies. Let's talk.

Yeah. That was my favorite part. I love that. Kaja, you've done a lot of these. So is there a most memorable moment that you can remember from all that we got you, sisters, that you've done? You know, I just love the community. I love that it feels like community.

I feel like when we're there, we're not actors. from the show sisters. Yeah. I feel like we're with our sisters. And that's the part that I love the most. And that I'm gonna feel every time we do this. Yes. You know, so I feel like that's,

we got your sister as one of my favorite because we get to reach out and touch people who watch our show, support our show, feel inspired by our show, who watch, who, because what has happened now is, not only do they love Fatima, they love Crystal. not only do they rock with Andy they rock with KJ. And so, and soon it's going to be

not only do they rock with Cheyenne, they rock with Jordan. Let me join like, how do I get my life from body together? Yes, absolutely. I told her, I'm saving all my fitness tips now when I'm going to use them, I don't know. But I'm saving them. Oh, you know what? We should do a collab because I do,

did you move today? Yeah, I can move. I can move. And I can take vitamins and make juices. I want to be a part of the group. I want to join. I want to be a part of the group. We got you.

We got you. Yes. It writes itself, guys. But they will. They want to know you beyond the character. Yeah, that's my favorite part. And that's on it. That's every We Got You Sis activation that we do in all the different cities.

So we're doing one in New York. Yes. We have a Peloton event. That's going to be amazing with a beautiful Tunday. who is, oh my gosh, so many of my family members, they're like, oh, my gosh, I love Tunday. And I was like, oh, you use her, like, when you're writing? And they're like, no, she's too hard, but I love her.

And I'm like, oh, no. Listen, Tunday had me second guessing why did I click on the button? I'm like, have her. And we're going to be there live. Live. Live. I'm like, don't stand up. I'm like, I got to stand up.

I'm really going to need someone to have me sis there because I know she's going to. Oh, she's going to definitely take you there. You ready? Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get the life. Well, you just got on the bike recently.

I love the bike. Yeah. Yeah. See, here's the thing. At home on my bike. Yes, you get to. I get to do what I want. Right.

If I'm tired, I can rest, go a little slower. I can take the knob down a bit. No one's watching. No one's watching. Who will know? They'll never know. They'll never know. They'll never know.

Right. In front of a live audience. I think it's a different type of pressure when you're in studios, like, I got to show up and show out. Does it almost become easier, though, because you're like, I'll never. I'm gonna look good. Like, that's why I take group classes. Like, in Pilates, you know what?

You're right. You hit this, like, like, you hit the top of the heel where it's, like, hard. Yeah. And then I feel like you just, you like break through their walls. When you're around, people in a group set. You should try. You should try.

You know. Yeah. Oh. She's like, yeah, no. You can do great. Yeah. You can do great. You can be fine.

People don't understand. I am healthy for aesthetics only. I don't. This is not a lifestyle. We got you, says. Oh, I need to work out. Okay. I'll, I'll,

go workout for one day. So maybe you do need to be a part of the did you move today? Yes. We'll let you into that. We'll let me answer. We're going to talk. We'll have our people call your people. Yeah.

You'll have the supplements and everything that she needs to take after the workout. We'll get the program together. Good. Yes. We got you. We got this. We got you. Because I can talk for days.

It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to feel amazing. It's going to be great. Will I look like you? Yes. Okay. You already look.

We look. I'm talking about the. Oh, the biceab. The abs. Yes, in the legs Yeah, and the legs That's that protein I saw the leg yesterday

I love that you count your protein It's the only thing I count Yeah Like I don't really calorie track And I Well, I'm so ridiculous That I just know how much sugar Is in almost everything

I can walk down an aisle She literally knew how much sugar In a pack of sugar And pumps of syrup I'm like Oh Yeah yeah yeah Different granola bars

I can tell you how much Is anything on the shelf Oh So then I'm just in my head We're gonna partner We got to do some. You got to do it. You got to do it.

I'm going to sit there now. You're going to be there with us. Yes, we're going to get you on it. But you eat very healthy. Baby, this woman, meal prep. I do. Especially when we're filming, you're cleaning.

But I eat healthy so I don't have to look at. But that's half the, they said the abs are made in the kitchen. They are made the kitchen. That's really where people, you can train seven days a week. And if you have a horrible diet, I mean, forget it. No, it's facts.

So you're doing good. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. No, this, I love this. We got each other. Yes. This is what it's about.

Yes. I love it. Also, with We Got You, Sis, it also has conversations where we as black women, like we are now, we're seeing each other. And we're like, okay, let me help. I see some synergy here. We can do different things together. But it also brings conversations where women are able to open up and talk to us about things

that they may be struggling with or things that they may see in our characters that they identify with and want to talk to you personally. KJ, this is probably more for you. Has there ever been a moment where somebody came to you and told you something that really just stayed with you. All the time. Honestly, I mean, I've had women tell me that they're being physically harmed by someone they love.

And, you know, when we first started doing the show, there was a scene with Gary and Andy, and you remember where he's holding her, but it crossed the line. There was a line that was crossed. to abuse. And that resonated with her. And she, you know, at a live event,

she pulled me to the side and was like, hey, you know, that really resonated with me because I have a partner, like currently have a partner. And it really challenged me because how much do you get involved?

Right. Right? You have a community. How much do you get involved with matters like that? Yeah. And so that was a pinnacle moment for me because I had to realize all of this is bigger than me. Yeah.

And I think you get in this and everyone's like, oh, I want to be famous. Oh, I want to be popular and I want to have the nice cars and I want to have the nice things. But are you going to do what's right for the community that supports you? Are you going to offer resources? Are you going to help? when people need you and that was that was really heavy for me and since then it's been pretty very frequent and so you know our obligation is to you kind of got to start deciding how you're going to get involved because then then you're risking yourself yeah as well so that that was the most

that was the most, that was the first time. I'm not going to say the most, because I've heard a lot of stories that really affected me, but that was the first time when I said, oh, this is important. What I do is important in how I respond, how I affect change in this person's life. It matters.

Because the words I say next, or the number that I give out, or the email, or the message, or the follow-up can change this person's life. And that's when I realized, like, our power and how to step into that. Because I was scared. Yeah, absolutely. I was scared.

I think, you know, we are gifted with something. I think God wouldn't have blessed us with this if we couldn't handle it. But at first it was like, this is too much. And I feel like we've all kind of had that moment where we're like, I'm outside, I'm outside. I want to help. I want to do this. And then we go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is, this is a lot to manage. Because you can't pour from an empty cup.

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, we, that's why I say we change lives. No, we do. We have the responsibility as an actor. They say they want to do these things. Well, when you're on a show and your character is dealing with this, whether you like it or not, you become an advocate for whatever is happening. If I'm abusing drugs, well, now I have a story to tell,

and it's going to be raw and it's going to be dark. And those people watching and listening are going to now look at me for some of those answers. I actually, I had a co-worker the other day. I posted something that we were doing, and he doesn't post a lot on social media. And he just goes, do you ever get tired of posting everything? Like, what do he even say it to me and what? He was just, like, genuinely wondering, like, do you just, is it exhausting? And I was like, no, because the amount of DMs, like, before the show,

when it was just health and wellness, the amount of people like I almost committed suicide or I've been struggling with my health and my wellness and every time I see you post, it makes me a reminder to just take things slower, to go to the gym or just do what I can because I'm big on if you got five minutes, do five minutes. You don't have to do the hour, you know?

And I can't stop posting. If I know that someone is, you know, getting help from that, I feel like now I just have an obligation to keep going. No, for sure. But you just have to continue to make sure you do what you need to do for yourself. Because I want to continue helping, but you cannot pull it from an empty cut. You cannot.

You won't be of service. No, that's so true. And I think I got to a point I feel like you had to where social media did become a lot. You know, and you may reach this one. You may not. But I know for me it got to a point where I had to find a balance because it was a lot. And the comments were a lot. And I've had a conversation with you and with DeVal about just the comments and what people say.

And I'm just like, oh, my goodness. You know, it's just a lot. And I've had to, like, learn to balance it and take a step back sometimes. I do my September sabbatical where I completely log off. Yeah, just to do a cleanse because we're so, like, everything is thrown in our faces and we come desensitize the things. Or it's like every time you turn on your phone, you're seeing something so graphic that you wouldn't see. you know otherwise yeah if you unless you were there you know like but they're like putting everything is online now um so I love that you don't feel that way but I definitely have had moments where I'm like

okay I got to log off it it can be a lot the comments that yeah it's exhausting it's I say people just don't have consequences anymore I see you comment too we can talk about that I think about yeah you're a newcomer on the show yeah and we've we've seen like the comments and some of them are not so nice. Like how has it made Jordan feel? I never think of it as a personal attack. I always, it goes back to when people are mean, I think that they're projecting,

or I think they may be unhappy. Because I've never went to social media and wanted to publicly bash someone that I don't know. I think that it's crazy. So if someone is getting to that point, then I would rather just reach out and be like, hey, like this isn't the space for that. And what I really don't like is when it's,

you know, other women or other black women doing it us because I feel like that's the thing that we've been trying to get over for decades and decades. They want us to be against each other. And now we have social media that's almost making it easier for them to just, you know, Twitter finger. And I just, I know, I never want to snap. It's hard. Sometimes if I catch it, I just log out.

But I'm just like, hey, like, let's just keep it chill. Let's just keep it nice. And I see you sometimes. You're like, baby, you're like, you're blocked. And I like to block people because I'm like, I don't, that's bad energy. block it. I love the block. Because I don't want you anywhere around the people that I love.

Why are you bashing people that are just doing their job? You say that you're like, this is somebody's job. Yeah, when they're like, cancel the show. And I'm like, this is my livelihood. And why would you say that? You know? And I'm like, this isn't affecting you in your life, but it would affect mine

and you're putting that energy out there. It's like, let's tone it down a little bit. So it's like I want to stay on Instagram to keep a positive outlook to people, Because the more positive people that leave Instagram, well, now it's just toxic. And you have little girls watching. So if you can handle it, it is always nice to try.

You just have to know the balance because you can just get into fights on Instagram. And then that's just, you're not going nowhere. Right. We do not want that. Yeah, I love that. No, no, no. Now I was going to say, I love that you don't take it personally.

But I love that you get in the comments sometimes and get the real. It's usually when it's about other people. Yeah. You know, we don't do that. No, I have to. I have to say something. People just get really out of pocket and I feel like I feel like I would be doing a disservice to myself

to allow people to talk about any of you, especially. And me or anybody else, like do not, because what I have to do, I have to set a standard that this is not acceptable to me. What you do with that information, that's on you. You can go back and forth with yourself because you're blocked. But I have to at least let you. you know that I will never allow this ever.

So if you want to continue to do that, please do it. But I'm not going to let you talk about her or you or Mignon or Tunday at all, on no level. Leave it alone. Stop it because that's not okay. And what you're doing is not okay. And I'm going to let you know it's not okay. You may want to go back and forth.

I'm not there to go back and forth. I'm not going to be there to go back and forth with you because you're also blah. and so to me that's what I have to do for me because now you know that KJ does not allow that I'm not going to be kumbaya with you like I said I'm a soldier in the army of the Lord

okay there listen there there are boundaries that I feel like it's necessary to set because what I feel like happens is we're 10 seasons in the first season I let you slide. You can say whatever you want. Second season, I let you slide. Everyone was telling me, don't go back and forth. Don't say nothing.

Leave them alone. That's what we've been taught. That's what we've been taught. The third season, fourth, you still, you still think you can talk to me any kind of way you want. Like I'm not a human. Like I'm not a person. Like I'm not your sister, your niece, your cousin, your auntie. I mean, you don't know someone who looks like me, acts like me, who reminds you of me. You don't know anybody like that? Would you talk to them that way? No, you wouldn't. So why you feel like you can talk to me like that?

And I just don't accept it. And so I posted something recently. Yeah, I lost weight after the baby pretty rapidly. Can we give it up for the snap? I received that. So good. A little bit louder, please. next time yeah yeah thank you everyone in the room actually thank you thank you that's better we

we need we need the sway clap that they put on right I ended losing my baby weight I don't know how it happened I was birthfeeding and you know they say that helps too yeah but I just lost it I told you I work out once a week maybe I don't know whenever I feel like it I'm sorry I wish I'm sorry I know it once a week It's great. But what I've learned, and we talked about this, I had hormonal balance issues. Yes. And my doctor told me it's better to get at least one extra hour of rest than it is to train for an extra hour. That was me this morning.

So I started to just rest more, regulate my nervous system more, and that has been helping me. I see it. Thank you. You love your sister. I receive that. That's a message to all my sisters. You know, we don't have to take on the world. let's delegate responsibilities if you can

or release some responsibilities if you can. I understand the privilege that we have, so I would never tell anybody to go hire an assistant or whatever, whatever. But I posted a video where I felt like I looked damn good, and if I post it, I like it. Okay. And so it don't matter if you like it.

And under the comments, it was like, this is a filter, this is not real, you're way too skinny, this, this, this. Is it the one in the black dress? Yeah, it was like green. It was like a dark green. In the mirror. In the mirror.

Yes. Yes. I remember that. You know my work. I saw the comments. It was crazy. They went AWOL. And so what happens is a pylon happens.

So one person will write a comment and then there is a pylon. Then everyone goes under that person. And they write the same comment or get worse. And so I have to nip it in the bud by saying, hey, this is my body. I chose to put this up because I felt confident it doesn't matter how you feel about my body and also you don't get to talk about my body just like I don't get to talk about your body

I would never do that I would never go to your page and say what a crazy thing to do what you have on or what I don't I would never do that to you and if I do I'm gassing you up I am baby you're wearing that you looking good you look fire oh my gosh beautiful premium you know so for me I'm like I don't I'm not going to allow you to do to me but I would never do to you right so I was I kept it cute I just informed them not to do it again and how this is not acceptable and you should you should not do this to any other woman right it's just

flat out wrong it is and not progressive at all like what is this helping it's I I can't wrap my head around why people do it but it's people just get too comfortable And when they see one comment, like he said, and they just keeps going. And it keeps going. Hurt people, hurt people, which is why I always say, don't take it personal. But at the end of the day, we're human. And when you just keep seeing a negative comment after a negative comment, you almost don't see the positive comments sometimes.

Because the negative comments are meant to stink. That's why they're doing it. And so it's hard to keep seeing them. So I understand why you are letting them know that. It's just, it's just, I just wish I would stop. Yeah. Well, now I'm just into the point where, you know, they know, they know I'm going to come for them. If they come for y'all, they're like, no, KJ don't play that.

Don't put that. Stop. Yeah. Don't do that. KJ, KJ, going to get you, you know, and they know. Because we're a supportive group. We have great energy. We have great synergy.

We love each other. I don't want any shred of doubt or insecurity to see in any of our cast crew, director, writer's head. We should be able to post a cast photo without just being torn apart for how we. just look for who we are. Seriously. It's insane. I'm like, what do you want us to post? What is okay with you at one, two, three, bad girl?

Like, you know what I mean? Like, what would you like? Because it seems like I can't do anything, right? You know, that's what it feels like. And I'm like, I like to be an open book, and I like to be my authentic self. And it doesn't matter sometimes. You just get kind of torn apart, but will you shall persevere?

Yeah. By hitting the plug button. No, seriously. Thank you guys for both opening up about that because I know it's something we all deal with, struggle with. I'm sure other women watching deal with the same thing, but thank you for being open because I know you're a newcomer into this world,

and we've seen it, and I've definitely been blocking people left and right because we're not doing it. We're not doing it. It's 2026. It's really, but also I feel like whatever energy you put out into the world, you're going to get back, you know,

and we should be putting out. Good energy. Because it's enough. It's enough. going on. Let's all keep it cute and happy. Social media should be a happy place. It should be a social fun. TikTok dances. Yes. I was thinking I got one for you.

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Good. You have a TikTok dance for us? Yes. I've been wanted to do this for a long time. That's the only one I know. I don't have to see that. Oh, really? I want to do the Utown, downtown. Uptown. Oh, you got to teach you that word. I don't know it. I don't know it. I just like watching it.

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This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The podcast is called Keep a Posit, sweetie. But I want to know in this season of your life, how are our... Are you both keeping it positive? What am I keeping it positive? Honestly, I think boundaries have allowed me to keep things positive.

Saying no to certain things, saying yes to certain things that allows me to show up happier. I'm not spreading myself thin and like actually choosing what is going to benefit me. It goes back to the being able to pour from a cup that's full. I become my most toxic and negative self when I just feel like I'm too, I'm too, I'm too, you know, I'm spread thin and I'm telling everyone yes. Yes, I can do this for you. Yes, I can do this for you. And then I'm like, I haven't done anything for myself.

And I'm not going to be the best person. I'm like, oh, she's a little off today. She's a little negative. I'm like, yeah, because I haven't worked out yet or I haven't journaled. So I think the boundaries definitely. That's good. What about you, KJ? Mine is definitely asking for help.

I love it. It's my favorite. I, I just, I love it. And I just discovered. I discovered it when I was pregnant last year and just always needing help. I just always needed help. And so when I had the baby, I was like, oh, I still need help. And now that I'm kind of still in my groove, I'm like, but I still need help.

Yes. And that's okay. It's okay. And so, you know, I said earlier to my assistant this morning, he was like, so he was giving me pointers and everything. You know, this is what's going on. I said, you know what? I don't have the capacity for that. I said, can you go talk to my husband?

I just don't have it. Could you? Can you talk to others? Can you take that up with him? I just don't have the capacity. Maybe y'all have the capacity for that. Go talk to my husband. I'm just a pretty lady.

Yes. I'm just a girl. Just a girl. Oh. Why are you asking me? So many questions. Please bore someone else with your course. Step it questions

Get de Montcier on the phone First of all I cannot wait I cannot wait for two What? Devereurz rather Wait a minute Oh yes I love it

Oh good good good good Would you think I should say no? Is she our sister? Are you related to us at all? That was a test That was a test I'm here And Emily

I'm here Maybe I get quote as much That is a That is all All right Don't get me like that I'm acting. Don't worry, darling.

She's like, what is happening? She's great actress. Okay, so tell our audience if there's anything you have coming up that we can support. You know the sweeties love to support. Oh, they do. Yes, KJ, do you have anything coming up that we can like get behind? They are already behind. They love me.

They love the sweeties. They love you. Let me look at the camera. Is this my camera? I love y'all, sweeties. Y'all are amazing. I just love y'all. I just love y'all.

I just love you love my girl, you know. I mean you can I'm on all the socials I I kind of keep it low key but we do have a coffee business my husband and I we have a coffee business so you know we can definitely we love the support there is it online on is it is online yes everything makes you shop it yes absolutely it's a black I knew it was black so I don't want to say wrong black period coffee period that's easy yes it's on shop red bag right now

shopredbag dot com which is a platform for black creators black merchandise. Amazing. Yeah, and products. So that's something amazing. But, yeah, right now I'm keeping all the other endeavors kind of close to my chest. Smart. Yeah. I love that. We'll definitely get our coffee. I don't drink, but make sure you'll get your coffee if you're a coffee drinker. My dad loves coffee. So I'll get him some for when he comes and visit my house. Yes, absolutely. He's really good. I've got to get into the tea. Tell me more about it. Brenching at a ceremony. Did you do matcha? Yeah, I love macha. Yeah. Masha and cordis I like

I like macha. Okay, that's fine. You can I'll drink matcha. Right. I'm just saying like, is this the macho that we drink? You're like, where is the coffee? Is this the water that we drink?

I like macha, but coffee is definitely my speed. I'll have four. No, literally, we went to breakfast yesterday. She's like, can I get some more and some more? No, you're not done pouring. Because I'll get like a latte and then if I'm like halfway done I have them like just fill it up with black coffee. That's what type of girl.

Okay, I guess y'all are sisters. Yeah. But I do like macho. So we're still. Okay, there we go. Yeah. Balance. What about you, George?

Anything that we can support you on? Hi guys. Thanks for allowing me to come in. I actually just finally produced my own short film. It's an action film. Yes, he tells about that. Yeah. It's not out yet.

It's still, we're still literally filming like this title sequence. We wanted to make it small, just for like casting directors. I'm trying to become. an action star. That's right. And then I'm like, this looks really good. Like the cameras we're using, the lenses.

Let's make it into something bigger, better. So I can't wait to drop it because hopefully we're going to maybe turn it into something else, something bigger. We'll see. But yeah, when I drop that, just support. Support. The more people that can share it,

get more people's eyes on it. I'm trying to be the next kill bill out here. Yes. Oh, yes. Be good. We'll definitely support that. Ladies, thank you both. I have enjoyed.

this time. It really just feels like I forgot the mics were here sometimes. Because this is how we talk. This is how we talk. This is how we talk. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you guys so much.

I appreciate it. Thank you. I love you. This is amazing. Two women standing in completely different seasons. One expanding legacy and stepping into motherhood and the other embracing new beginnings

and finding her voice. Yet both moving with grace, purpose, and authenticity. Watching the dynamic between you reminds us that this sister isn't about being in the same place at the same time. It's about holding space for each other as we grow, evolve, and step into who we're becoming.

Your honesty, your presence, and your positivity truly reflects what this space is all about. Thank you both for showing us what it looks like to leave with heart, to stay grounded through change, and to keep choosing positivity even while you're still becoming. KJ and Jordan, I am so grateful for this conversation. And thank you for tuning into this special episode of the Key, It Positive Sweetie Show. We are celebrating 10 seasons of Tyler Perry's sisters and kips. Be sure to catch new episodes of sisters every Wednesday on VET at 9 8 Central. And also be sure to subscribe, share this episode with someone who needs it. And if you need advice, positivity, or a question

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