Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Craig Gillespie, Dumb Money, The Creator & Saw X

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

This week’s episode sees Simon interview director Craig Gillespie, to discuss his film 'Dumb Money’, which is based on the true story of everyday people who flipped the script on Wall Street and got rich by turning GameStop(!) into the world's hottest company. Mark reviewed this in full last week. Other films Mark reviews include ‘The Creator’ - set against the backdrop of a war between humans and robots with AI, a former soldier finds a secret weapon, which turns out to be a robot in the form of a child. Plus ‘Saw X’, where John is back; he travels to Mexico for a risky, experimental medical procedure in the hopes of a miracle cure for cancer... only to discover the entire operation is a scam. Obviously they also cover the Box Office Top 10, plus it’s a bumper episode for What’s On. Time Codes (relevant only for the Vanguard - who are ad-free!): 09:46 The Creator Review 20:19 Box Office Top Ten 38:15 Craig Gillespie Interview 58:04 Laughter Lift 01:03:08 Saw X Review 01:11:25 What's On You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media, @KermodeandMayo EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts To advertise on this show contact: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Have you ever had a ask? Have you ever had an early morning Guinness? No, why would I do that? They used to, no. Early morning alcohol is never ever. No, no, I agree. That was why, because when you said my coffee looked like Guinness, I have a very, very strict rule about never drink until the evening. However, I believe that I'm right in saying that it used to be the case that pregnant women

were given macacin stout in hospital because it has a lion in it or it was reported to have a lion in it. And so there was a thing that you would have a half of Maccasson stale. It's what happened when child one was born. Oh, there we go, so I'm not making it up, it's true. The midwife who came round to visit afterwards, Yes. Took all the tablets, which would be given by the hospital,

chucked them away and said, have a Guinness. So there we are. So the good lady professor, no, ceramicists. I'm not married to the good lady professor indoors. You need to remember which one is your wife and which one is mine. Would be very helpful. So it was just at the time when Guinness, that you could get it draft in a tin. Remember when there was, it had the little witch, yeah that kind of stuff. Yeah, the witch it. Yeah. So that's what happened.

So we both got into Guinness. Fine. Wouldn't it be great if all medicine was like that? You know all the tablets don't take, drink alcohol instead. And the slogan used to be Guinness is good for you. And I believe that there was then a point at which you weren't allowed to say that,

because you weren't allowed to, when I was a kid, there was an advert on television for a beer, and I can't remember which beer it was, but the advert was that a guy goes up to a bar, and he orders a pint of whatever it is. And the barmaid, who's kind of classic 1970s barmaid, pulls the pint. No, no, no, no, she's like glamorous and you know, like, and she pulls the pint and he either he says, would you, would you like one or she says, oh, it's too strong for me, but I like the many drink it. And that was in the 1970s, you could get away with that.

You could get away with suggesting that if you drank this particular brand of beer, the barmaid would be impressed at your strength of the good old days. And then political correctness got mad. They came in and said, no, you can't do this. You're so woke all the time. You're so all you go on about. Anyway, I stand at apology at the head of this top award-winning podcast.

I'm going to try not to fall asleep while you talk. Because obviously it's a weekly thing, particularly this week as I've had like no sleep at all, no sleep till Brooklyn I believe is the slogan. So for a little bit of context, I slept very well in your house last night, which was great but I didn't. Because I'm up in the attic and I just go up there and all my troubles leave me, and I, and I, you send them downstairs. And downstairs? Yeah.

And you were downstairs. You were up at like 130 in the morning or something. Yeah, I was, and I went through all the usual things to try, you know, I wandered through my childhood house, you know, remembering all that kind of thing. And then counting, so, so, so, so, so, Puddin?

Counting backwards from a thousand. So what's the wand through your childhood house? What's that? Just to distract the mind, you know, just go for a wander around place, you know, in your mind. Yeah, not literally. All right, you know, in the trailer, go.

Right. Then I tried to, as the first film I went to see was Mary Poppins, as you know. And I was on the soundtrack, I was trying to go through the songs in order. What was the order of, this is the thing that I was, this was my life. I said you to sleep. That will invigorate and wake you up. No, I was just... But then I was going...

So the overture to start with. Mm-hmm. And then, sister suffragette, is that first? Okay, so the overture and then the first song would be sister suffragette. Yes, that's right, yes, well done. Exactly. There you go. So anyway, if anyone's got anything better to do with it.

Well, you asked me, do I have any tips for it, and I said, you know, there is that max ricketer piece of music, which is called sleep, which is a sleep cycle. Yeah. And it goes on for about six hours, and it's meant to match the waves of REM sleep. And you can find it on Spotify. And it's a wonderful piece of music.

My problem with it is, it keeps me awake because it's a wonderful piece of music. I could play some of that on my scholarship. Yeah. Anyway, thanks for downloading us. Our second part is also landed adjacent to this one, but what are you going to be reviewing later by the way? I'm going to be reviewing Shuffle's Notes. Oh yes, the creator, which is the new film, notes. Oh yes, the creator, which is a new film, because we've got two interviews. So how, okay, SawX, which is the tenth Saw film, then the creator, which is our special guest for next week. Gary Therberts. And then we're also going to be talking about Dom Money because the director Craig Lesby is in this week. Correct. Everything is time shifted in a way that completely confuses me. With our extra takes, more of this highly produced, well crafted speech broadcasting. Our recommendation

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So could be the Continental. Yeah, exactly. So, we might think it is all about that. Pretentious more of quite tricky today, but I think it's, so I'm not quite sure which way it's going to go. OK. It is 18 or the moment between the two versions of Mark. One frame back is inspired by the creator,

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that was the advert in the cinemas. Your projectionist tonight is Eric. To Dr. Nighthidden and Dr. In Plainsight, I heard the recent postbag missives about misheard movies. In Plainsight, I heard the recent postbag, Missibs, about misheard movies. In thought, I'd add my own familial experience into this cinematic melange of auditory hallucination. My youngest daughter, Eila, who was then about eight, kept saying she wanted to see the film about George again, and she felt sad for George. All the people

in the film have been horrible to poor George, and she wanted to see him again, and she felt sad for George. All the people in the film have been horrible to poor George and she wanted to see him again and she hoped that he would get away and live happily ever after. As humans had no right to go into his environment and kill him. She said she'd done her research and do you know that a hundred million are killed as humans every year, killed by humans, but fewer than 10 people are ever killed by the meat here.

After some twoing and throwing, some head scratching and bafferlement, it all became clear. So now in our house, the shark in jaws is no longer known as Bruce, but George, which kind of makes sense. She still has a love for the oceanic environment and is a champion for saving our South Pacific maritime wildlife.

And Steph signs off Namii, which is many thanks in Mary. Okay. Okay. Well, now and now it's his that we shouldn't give status to indigenous languages and up with Bluehead Feminist. Very good. Steph. I do like the idea of Steven Spielberg's George followed by George to George 3D. Yeah, but then that would look like George the Second and then we're in the whole... Oh yeah. George theD. Yeah, but then that would look like George II. And then we would... Oh, yeah. George III. And now into a whole different...

Wasn't there a story that the madness of King George, which was originally called the madness of King George, whatever it was, second? I think second, and they changed the title because some American distributor thought the Americans would go, we didn't see the previous one. We wish George weren't mad. I'm asking the top production team. Hang on. We may well have been George III.

Hang on, let me look at the Madness of King George. And it was... Mad... I think it's from the... Yeah, exactly. It's adapted from Alan Bennett's play, The Madness of George III. And one of the reasons that

they called the film The Madness of King George was that they were worried that people would go, well, I didn't see the madness of George I and II, so I thought I'd understand three. And now George means something else altogether. It's something that's completely different. And Steph's daughter, Eila, aged eight, I think, there's other stuff here, but I think I want to get into the creator. Oh, right. Okay. Fine.

Because we both seen the film. Yes. And I spoke to our friend, Gareth, who, listen to a certain vintage, we'll remember him coming on to the old five live shows. He actually came into the studio to talk about monsters, which was his first film, former BBC cameraman. And when I saw him yesterday to record the interview, he said he remembered doing that interview because it was the first live interview that he'd ever done. I think that's right.

Yeah, I think it was. But now he's, you know, much fated director and everything. So the interview with Gareth will be on next week's programme. But just to be clear, he owes it all to us. Entirely. Entirely, absolutely. So the creator, Syph film from Garath Edwards who Came on our show to talk about monsters which if you remember the story of monsters

He had basically done the special effects in his home He had done them on computers in his home and you know, it's a really remarkable film. He kind of went on holiday with friends Yes to Central and South America to do the filming. Yeah, so they filmed it like a road trip. They actually did do the trip and it was the two main leads and then we're filming the stuff. And then afterwards he put the visual effects in

and the film ended up looking like it cost huge amount of money, we actually cost thromps. He did the 2014 Godzilla, which had that memorable Halo jump sequence, which I think is really extraordinary. He had a kind of fairly rough ride on Rogue One, a Star Wars story. And this is his now coming back to science fiction. I didn't really use that. No, but of course, because I mean, the film, I thought it was fine, but I think he had a bit of a tough time in it.

So this is based on a script by Edwards and Chris Whites, who co-wrote Rogue One, whose directorial credits include New Moon, which I think is actually the least good of the Twilight movies, and Golden Compass, or to give it its full title, The Ill Fated, Golden Compass. This is set in a, well, you tell me if you think so, a post-apocalyptic future. I mean, because there has been a nuclear... There's been a nuclear bomb, but it's not a... No, okay. Everyone else is fine, apart from the bit that got nuked.

So it's set in a future in which mankind is at war with AI after there has been a new king. We get a... The title sequence is great. It shows the rise of home robots from sort of retro ads about, you know, mechanical aids giving you a drink when you're sitting down on the couch to current developments and then into tense sort of future fantasy. John David Washington is Joshua who we first meet living in apparently a dillic hippie life out in the wilds with his pregnant wife, then there is an attack by military forces who are searching for the creator. Turns out he's ex-special forces, the narrative

of them jumps to him being deployed, jumps forward, him being deployed to search for a new weapon that will apparently end when the war between mankind and AI. He's also secretly on the trail of his wife who he believes to be alive, who was there in that sequence at the beginning. Film co-stars, Alison Janie, who's a military colonel, who clearly, CJ, asked for the end because it isn't an end. Anyway, here's a clip.

It's Hal, answer the phone. You can leave if you know you're there. Colonel! Taylor, we're shipley. I'm with him right now He's a pretty bad shape. All right. Listen to me. Did you locate the weapon? Yeah, it's here I'm with it. Describe it. It's a kid. It's a kid. They make it into some kind of kid That's the weapon. What's I can't reach you. You have to bring it to me Do you understand? No, shiply can't move. I mean have to bring it to me. Do you understand?

No, Shipley came home. He's not looking good at all. Police everywhere. I don't know how I'm getting out right now. I don't even have an extra set. Then you know what you have to do. So in case you didn't catch that, he said the weapon, what is it? It's a kid.

It's some kind of a kid and There is indeed and an AI kid played by Madeline Univoyles am I saying that correctly because you so asked a character was better and He thinks the child who has the ability to grow can also Lead him to his lost love who he still believes to be around. So what then happens is he's on that particular trail. They are on his trails and the special forces are after him because they want to get the weapon. As you said before, with monsters, what happened was,

Garithaib was took a road trip to key actors and then put the creatures in afterwards. Similar approach here, I mean, what they do is breath taking a location work in Thailand with the VFX added afterwards, but the whole thing feels very physical and real because the location stuff is really, really good. This is like what he's doing, what he did with monster, that he's kind of repeating here.

And this is something that he is very, very adept at. The design work of the film is, I think, great, not least the nomad, which is a vast floating weapon system, which kind of beams these lights down onto the ground if it wants to send missile strikes. You and I both thought the same thing, which is Captain Scarlet. I know you brought this up in the interview, you mentioned this last night, because it's sky-base, and then it's the light on the floor, which is the Mr. Oven. If anyone remembers Captain Scarlet,

the first signal that you knew that the Mr. Oven's were around was these two incredibly... Circles. Circles of Light appearing over you, in which case, you knew that you'd had it. But there's also that idea of the floating sky, because actually this, the no-man thing, it looks like a, like a cross between, between sky base and between the, the huge offworld colony from Elisium, for example, and it's really, it's, it's very, very impressive.

And I like the idea of it floating over the earth and shining this kind of beam down in this threatening way. Edwards has always been good at scale. If you think about God's, if you think about that halo jump sequence I was talking about before, he really did, he knows how to do massive and physical on screen. He's very, very good at using VFX to look like they're really there and they've really got a sense of physicality. The idea of the artificial intelligence beings, being, they've got humanoid faces, but they've got these kind of weird, like mechanical heads, like think, for example, of ex-macchaner. And then these holes that go all the way through,

you will have seen this in the poster that there's kind of like a hole. You can see cables and stuff. Yeah. Which is kind of odd and doesn't really make any sense, but it's a visual thing to tell you, okay, this is, you know, these, it's us and them.

It's us and them, and you can tell it's them because they got a big hole through their head. But I think the world building is terrific. I thought it really, really looked good. I thought the storytelling was flawed, but I thought it was adventurous. I mean, some of the AI evolution stuff doesn't really make sense

and some of the way in which the plot plays it, you go, okay, that's not quite, I don't buy that, it doesn't make, but then again, like Blade Runner, which had a similar thing, it doesn't need to make sense in order for it to be engaging. I mean, like Blade Runner, the overall arc of the story is sympathetic to the synthetic.

I mean, whenever we're told, it's not real, it's just programming. And then you're confronted with the AI, who are everything about the movie is selling you, well, of course it's real. And if something is sentient or believes itself to be sentient, and if you have at the center of it a child, so I mean, you're thinking, for example,

here of Steven Spielberg's AI, because the whole thing in AI is that people are horrified that they've made a child, that they've made an artificial child. And oddly enough, weirdly watching it as well, I was also thinking of precedents like, I mean, at times I was thinking of Cossesi's Kundan and Bertolucci's Last Emperor,

because this idea about a young being onto whom are projected, you know, huge cultural weight that they are hugely significant and yet they are a child and yet they are so much more than a child. There's also a kind of a war action movie element, big action sequences. I mean, it kind of, you can take a bit of, like, AI meets apocalypse now and it's unsurprising that Edwards himself has cited apocalypse now, Blade Runner, Akira, ET, Rainman, which

is an interesting one, and Paper Moon. These stories about adults and children or in case of paper moon. It's big, grand scale sci-fi. There are patches in it when I thought it didn't work. But I think the ambition and the scale and the world building is really, really impressive. And we both saw it together and at the end of it, you sent me a text which I enjoyed that.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely, I did. And I was surprised to be interested to see what people make of it when they email the show. But I was surprised how anti-American it is. Certainly anti-US Army. Yes. And that was, I didn't have time to pick that up with Gary if you'll hear the interview

on next week's podcast. But you know what I mean about it? It's grand scale, big ideas, science fiction, isn't it? Yes. Which is a good thing. And definitely with that hint of apocalypse now, which comes from the location that they filmed. Anyway, lots, lots more to discuss.

And we will do that with Gareth Edwards on the program. Next week, but the creator is out now. So, and we're doing Craig Gillespie on the program next week, but the creator is out now. So, and we're doing Craig Gillespie on the program today. Still to come, reviews of. Saw X, which is, saw 10, socks, socks, and we'll be revisiting Don Money, which we reviewed last week because we have the regular S.B.

Yeah. We'll be back before you can say, Renny Day Cart was a drunk and fart. And Hobbs was fond of his dream. No, no, yeah. We'll be back before you can say, Renny Day-Cart was a drunken fart. And Hobbs was fond of his dream. No, no, no. Really? Oh, I drink there for I. There you go.

After that. Hi, esteemed podcast listeners. Simon Mayo. Mark Kermot here. I'm excited to let you know that the new season of the crown and the crown, the official podcast, returns on 16th of November to accompany the sixth and final season of the Netflix epic Royal drama series. Very exciting, especially because SuperSub and Friend of the show Edith Bowman hosts this one. Indeed, Edith will take you behind the scenes, dive into conversation with a

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Also, we should say, with reference to a Gareth Edwards being on the program next week, it's the first time I think in the history of this podcast and all its iterations going back many, many hundreds of years that Deep Purple have come up. Oh, and a conversation. Because there's some deep purple music. Is it an interesting soundtrack, isn't it? What is that? Really? Is that? Really? Yep, that's Ian Gillan. Okay.

So box office, top 10, at 47, Hellraiser, 4K, a Restoration. I mean, I love Hellraiser. Hellraiser has a very special place in my heart because when it first came out, I had come to the end of a relationship that did not end well. And one of the things that you do when you come to the end of a long relationship that is not ended well is you try and find all the bits of yourself that you put away in order to make the relationship work well. But now that's all failed.

And for me it was like, oh, I can have my horror back. And I remember going out to the sulphur keys to watch Hellraiser, Clive Barker's Hellraiser, which he directed, it's based on a story by him, Hellbound Heart, which introduces us to Doug Bradley and the center bites, and it is twisted and pervy and strange and absolutely cutting edge, you know, new face of horror back then, which I'd been doing my PhD about, and I think it still stands up. And always well with them. And always well with the world, and the funniest thing about it is, when they were filming the film, they shot it in London and then halfway through, somebody said, we should make this in America.

So they just dubbed some of the characters and gave somebody an American policeman's hat, but it's clearly London. Number 24, Angel Headed Hipster, the songs of Mark Bowlin and T. Rex. I think there is still a definitive Bowlinand documentary to be made because this is much more actually an account of making this album in which people do, people record Mark Bolland songs and I am very firmly of the opinion that the thing about Bolland songs is it's the way Bolland performed them rather than the songs. Number 23 is The Lesson, which is a little low. Yes, I imagine it was a limited, it was 206 cinemas.

I like this very much. The director was on the show last week, Alice Trouten. And I think it's a great performance by Richard E. Grant. I think, you know, back on the form that he was in with, can you ever forgive me? I really like it. It's sort of twisty, who done it, but the it is not a murder.

Florian Fisher says, dear Larry and Michael, I've watched and rather enjoyed the lesson this afternoon, Crouch N's Art House. It's beautifully acted, competently directed and paced, sufficiently twisted, and a welcome addition to the genre of that sort of simmering mystery. Darryl McCormack's likability is key, and while we may not entirely trust him, we certainly don't. We identify more with him than any of the three Sinclair family, all of whom are also portrayed excellently. Only the film also reminded me of some nastier cousins, so it led me to this one minor criticism. I wish Alice Troutner, and indeed, while a bridge whose soundtrack is excellent, but

a bit farce adjacent, had lent more into the creepy side of the premise. Like when Claude Chabreau did Ruth Rendle, or when Ozen made the swim pool, it didn't need to be turned up to 11 on deceit, desire and alluring coldness, but it felt like it stayed on a safe 6 or 7. It could have very easily been sexier, chillier, and meaner with just a few little adjustments. Still recommending it to my friends, especially because of the acting, found it a lovely first movie by an experienced TV director. Be bolder next time, Alice, says Florian Fisher.

OK, I'm surprised. I mean, I thought the score was terrific, and I am surprised too. But I mean, thank you. You've kind of expressed it very well, but I didn't share those reservations about the score was terrific. I am surprised. I mean, thank you. You've kind of expressed it very well, but I didn't share those reservations about the score at all. Number 10 in the UK, Beauty and the Beast. In 3D. In 3D.

Okay. Okay. Any good? We're speaking in the beast. But then they just did a post-production 3D on it. Number nine in this country, 13 in the States, Jawan. As we said, not press screen,

but now it's third week. Having done very well in its opening week, probably not with us again next week. Oppenheimer is at number eight, number 10 in the States. Now the most successful biopic of all time, outstripping Bohemian rhapsody, which held the record until just a few weeks ago. And one of Nolan's most successful movies,

which is remarkable when you consider it a three-hour movie about the invention of the atomic bomb and the subsequent fallout, no pun intended politically, it's a film which is, you know, it's not a big action drama and it's not filled with sympathetic characters, but it has done absolutely astonishing box office. Number seven in the UK is past lives, Jamie Scott in Birmingham. In late August, my wife Gabby gave birth to our first son, congratulations Julius.

Being handed a tiny naked crying boy you've never met before and told you to keep him alive from now on is a life-changing moment. Not to be sidetracked from occasional cinemas trips however, we three made a visit to the Everyman's Cinemar and Birmingham on Tuesday morning for the baby and parent screening of past lives provoked by your full-some review. I look forward to the day when I tell Julius to his abusement that his first film was an understated Korean immigrant drama, even if he did sleep through almost all of it. The film was excellent. What I really enjoyed, however, was the baby and parent experience itself.

A morning audience of prams and smiling mothers and well-behaved newborns all eager to retain the communal artistic joy that is cinema. No one minded if either parent or child needed a toilet break. It was, to be honest, one of the better behaved movie audiences I've experienced. So hats off to the every man and all baby and parents' greenings everywhere. Long may they reign. I must say, you know, in terms of cinema doing what it has to do to survive, these are fantastic inventions which weren't around when child one and child two were getting stuck into whatever they were getting stuck into. But not only so, imagine Jamie Scott and Birmingham and his other half would have missed this film

completely because they definitely won't be going to the cinema. And what a treat to go and see past lives. And it's really good that it's there in the top 10 in its third week in at number seven. I do think that it's a remarkable piece of work. If you haven't listened to the Celine Song interview yet, please do, because it's on a podcast from a couple of weeks ago. She's so articulate. She speaks so eloquently about cinema as if she's been marinated in it all her life. And of course, she hasn't. She comes from theatre and yet she said in the interview that when she started working in film it was like she discovered her true love and you know aren't we all delighted that she has because it's such a great film.

And Alice Tramp when she came in was very excited to hear Celine song so they were all getting into it. But please do go and see the lesson. I'm surprised that it's not higher up the chart than that because I, you know, I think it's a really terrific film. I mean, it is playing on, it is a relatively limited release in terms of its number of screens, but I think it deserves to be seen by more people than that. Barby is at number six, number five in the states. I mean, just staggeringly successful, and I'm really,

really glad. I think it was great fun. When I left the, I said this I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy. I'm very happy.

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And I went, yeah, and my point is proven. Who, what? Never go below the line. Well, you always do. I don't always, because I got them to stop doing the comments below the line of the observer, because I said, why? It's just like sticking a stick down the loo and then waving it in the air. What's the point?

Yeah. So that was below the line now. It was, they started, they did it again on my very last column, because then you're like, I was leaving. Thanks a lot. Yeah, thanks a lot. Done money is at five, number eight in the states. Well, I liked it, you liked it, child two, child two.

I suggested child two that she go and see it and she was very excited and loved it. And she sent you a photograph of her going into the cinema. Yeah, we're the photograph of her ticket saying, you know, I'm taking you up on your word, any I was relieved to know, you know, that I can still get a sense of something

that she will like and indeed she did. So, and we will have the director on later on in just a short while. Very, very shortly. So more done- No more money in a moment. Now, do you football score, joke? UK 4 equaliser 3. No, not that. Equaliser 3, none two. Well, I haven't got to that. No, but that was what you did last time. I don't know if you'd like it. It was like, I've got... It's not UK four equaliser three, it's equaliser three, none two. Yes, but I'm doing it slightly differently by incorporating its chart position as UK four equaliser three. Okay, but that's not as funny. I think it's just as funny.

And also US 4. So UK 4, US 4 equaliser 3. Now that sounds like the shipping forecast. The equaliser 3 diminishing turning poor, becoming better later. Yes, with a chance of squall. Anyway, why is a squall? It's a little, it's a sea storm, it's a little draft. I think it's a little draft. You see that really got from white squall, if that's not a little draft. Equalizer three is it four, and none two is it three? Is it three?

Yes. You're confused now. Okay, I think we've killed that joke, stone dead. I mean, the none, the none two, the equalizer three. Yes. Now you're confused now. Okay. I think we've killed that joke, stone dead. I mean, the none, the none two, the equalizer three is fun. None two is absolute pants, but there we go. It's absolute pants that will draw them in because it's exactly what everybody thinks it's going to be. Expender forbles.

Expender forbles. It's number two. Expender forbles. And it's number two in America. Okay. Absol absolute rubbish. Wittless, charmless, action sequences, which are stab-a-shooting blow-ey up, but you're not sure who is stab-a-shooting,

who or what is blowing up. It has, as I mentioned before, Sylvester Stallone and Sylvester Stallone and Jason Statham swapping quips in its opening moment. And it is really the most clumsy, awful, I mean, I love Jason Statham, but there's some things that Jason Statham does very well, and there are some things that he does less well. And in this, it's all the things that he does less well, and it's boring, and it makes no sense. It is making money.

Yes, but it will, I think it will be brief. Oh, okay. Anyway, it's at number two. But it didn't unseat the number one movie, which is... Or to get a villain on to invent. Which has done very, very well. Hang on, just before we go there.

Well, Ian Insturling, if Simon wants to see how an inverted double underhook facebuster, the wrestling move known as Kill Switch, which was part of the Expender Forboles conversation from last week, he should go no further than Canadian wrestler Christian Cage, who has made it his speciality for two decades. What's it called the the move?

Okay, so it's an inverted, inverted, double, underhook, under, face buster, hook. Who are you going to call face buster? And it's Christian Cage. Right, you want to see it? Yeah. Okay, spinning, inverted, double, underhook, face buster, here we go. Okay, it's just like watching wrestling on ITV on a Saturday afternoon, but it's not giant haystacks. No. You probably can't use that clip because it'll break copyright of some kind.

It was just a bit of sound on the thing. It was just a bit of sound, but anyway, I'm not the wise person anyway. Anyway, it's still painful. It did indeed. Ininstalling, thank you very much. Number one is a haunting venice. Aaron Ducca, comedian, magician and screenwriter, is how he signs off. Thank you, Aaron.

Dear his doctors. I just say the guy who used to be the head of the BBFC, his Twitter handle used to be gentleman scholar, Acrobat. Okay, well maybe, which is Aaron has done this. And it's number three in the state, so it's doing very well. I've just been to see a haunting event. It's a splendid third entry into Saken Branagh's Poirot series. This series has a lot of personal meaning to me. I saw the first with my beloved grandmother. Somehow she had not discovered the ending, so she enjoyed the film more than I did. Not that I

didn't find it enjoyable. I just like many knew how it all came together. My grandmother and I often connected via films and we go and see many. She was a keyed mystery thriller fan. We were both excited by the announcement of Death on the Nile and planned to go and see it together. Sadly, she passed away in the interim before it came out, but my sister and I did attend it in the cinema and bought an extra ticket to place on her grave. So with every installment, I'm always reminded of her and think that she would have loved the series as it progresses. So whilst critically the series might have a middling reception, it's always been personal to me.

So as long as Saken keeps making them, I will keep attending them and I like to imagine my grandmother is there in spirit, chuckle at the antics of puro and enjoying the mysteries. So long and thanks for all the fish, Aaron Ducca, as Douglas Adams referenced. Reminding us once again that film viewing is a very, very personal experience, which is I think kind of probably the key to this show, that you take, you bring an awful lot of things with you to the cinema and those things will affect what you watch. And I think, although there has been sort of lukewarm critical response to some of the Branagh poiros, the sense of fun and the sense of how much he's enjoying himself,

when the lights went down for the screening of haunting Invenus. You could feel all the critics that I was in the room with, kind of, you know, going, okay, fine, you know, because you knew that he was going to be having a good time with it. And I think of all of the, of the poor old one so far, it is the one that is the most stylish. It's the one that owes the biggest debt to Frankenstein, which I still think is, you know is a great and underrated movie. Am I right in thinking that you always used to do death on the Nile is all mine or mine. Death on the Nile is all mine. Yeah, it sounds like the kind of...

Exactly. ...the kind of naph joke you would have made. It's just the emphasis of the title, isn't it? It just leads you on to... ...fog on the tie and you might think, or death on the Nile. Incidentally, can I just say on the subject of haunting Invenice, October is the 50th anniversary of Don't Look Now, which is extremely weak because 1973 had a whole bunch of extraordinary releases.

October is the 50th anniversary of Don't Look Now, and November is the 50th anniversary of Wiccoman. Paul O'Kneen, my email address contains numbers, but I am reasonably sane, although that is only my opinion. Regarding your reference last week to the great Artificer of Mysteries, engraved on Anthony Shafer's graves. Yes. It could possibly be referring back to it. Now, we're going to have to settle on pronunciation here. Okay. Stephen Deadeless. I would say Deadeless. Why? I know some people say D-deless. Well, say deadeless, but I know some people say

deedaless. Well, it becomes because the spelling comes from, it's like Greek myth, and so it could be AE. Yeah. Because Schaffer is AE, but he's Schaffer. He's a guy I interviewed him. But so deadeless, let's stick with that. Okay, it could possibly be referring about to Stephen deadeless using it in portrait of the artist as a young man, where he makes the link between himself and deadeless of Greek myth, the great artificer. Okay. Or possibly, Shaffer was referring directly to deadlyless. Shaffer and deadlyless shared some interesting similarities.

At the end of the Wicker Man, mm-hmm, just mentioned. Where's the description? Plot spoiler ahead. The poor policeman is burnt to death inside a large Wicker construction. I think most people know that. It's on the poster.

Yeah. Do you think anyone goes to the Wicker Man thinking, I hope this has a cheer wicked construction. I think most people know that. It's on the poster. Yeah. Do you think anyone goes to the Wiccomen thinking, I hope this has a cheery ending. I need to be cheered up on a Friday night. Oh, disappointed. In the case of deadless, he built a hollow wooden cow for pacifay, who was made by the Seagob Poseidon, to desire a white bull as revenge on our husband,

who refused to sacrifice a bull to him and the unfortunate pacifet as women throughout the ages suffered the result of the clash of maelie goes, namely all that happened to her in a conception and birth of the Minotaur. I mean, I know Stephen Fry loves these myths, but it just sounds like coblars. Giving birth to a Minotaur can't be any fun.

Do you think? No, I suppose, on about, it depends how big the minor tour is. It doesn't matter how big the minor tour is. If it's a minor tour, that's not gonna be easy. What about, if it's like an inch, an inch long minor tour would be okay, wouldn't it? That would be just like trying to get that. And you know what?

None of it's true, so it's fine. Oh really? Anyway, Paul goes on for a while, but I've kind of lost interest in Paul. Paul, so it's on, Paul it's fine. Oh really? Anyway, Paul goes on for a while, but I've kind of lost interest in it. Paul, so it's on for Paul. Thank you for your email. After you've just been so, recently dismissed by Simon Mayer, yes.

It's just, he's tired. He hasn't slept, all right. That's what it is. If he was at a more awake state, he would be reading more of it, but it makes me less tolerated. He's too tired of Greek myths. What, tiredness?

Yes, tiredness. I can't be bothered with minor tours and Poseidon. And I don't, just reminded me of that thing with in Jungle Book, when the snake goes to you because look into my eyes and he just puts his foot on him and goes, I can't be doing it all that long. Exactly.

I think it's a sawn, George Saunders. A saunders, a saunders, a saunders, a saunders, yeah. Fantastic, fantastic voice. What a great character. OK. Yeah, right. We're back with Craig Gillespie. Just checking the way it's turned right.

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Good. How much up? He's up 23 million, pop. Don't get us. It's real. Yeah, it's real. And he's refusing to sell. What is going on?

You pulling our leg. No, your son's a huge internet celebrity now. Millions of people, including stock mom, your son's a huge internet celebrity now. Millions of people, including Stark Mom. Think he's some like, I don't know, investment genius. No, he is a genius. No, he's not. You're up 23 million.

And you're not selling. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. And that is a clip from Dumb Money. It's the new movie from Craig Lesby. I'm delighted to say Craig's in the studio. How you doing, Craig? I'm doing very well. Thank you. Very nice to see you. It's the new movie from Craig Lesby. I'm delighted, so Craig's in the studio. How you doing, Craig? I'm doing very well, thank you. Very nice to see you.

It's nice to be here. Do you enjoy, I mean, you're doing the promotion because your actors can't talk, obviously. Do you, but I always enjoy talking to directors because this is their project. This is what they believe in. You've been working on this for a long, much longer than any of the actors.

But when it comes to your movie being out there, is it a thrilling experience? Are you slightly nervous about how it's been received? It's an odd feeling actually because there's this weird thing of, it's been so personal for so long and so intimate with our collaborators, with the actors that can't be here. And then you go to put it out and people receive it the way that they do. And there's something that's very vulnerable about that and stressful.

So I actually stay away from looking at reviews. I hope it lands. It's like, we've done a lot of prep and building it and making it. And I actually showed a lot to friends and family while we're editing it. So I get a good sense of what's working and not working, but then we just gotta let it go. Yes. So I get a good sense of what's working and not working,

but then we've just got to let it go. Yes. So it's now out there in the world. We reviewed it on the program last week. Mark loved it. I think it's a terrific, absolutely terrific story. Very manages to be funny and profound at the same time. But what is dumb money just introduces to the world that you've built in this film? Dumb money is sort of a derisive term that Wall Street uses to refer to daytime traders saying that they always lose and that's, you know, they make a lot of money off of that. This flips the script on that because this is an opportunity where they were the day traders, Reddit users, that all rallied

together to stop a short squeeze. It was happening, which is hedge funds coming in and trying to bet that a stock will go down. They all rallied behind pushing it up and made a lot of money and hurt a lot of hedge funds in the process. So, this is the GameStop short squeeze. So, I wonder, was there a point very early on in the film, Craig, where you, you and your collaborators said, how much explanation, how much exposition do we need to give? Because everyone is going to get what the movie is doing. They know the drift of the story.

We know, we know what everyone is doing. If we don't understand the minutiae of stock trading, it doesn't matter. I imagine you had those. You think that would happen very early on, it happened actually later. What we learned is, and my initial instinct was it was going to be an emotional ride. That was what I was really invested in, and there's high stakes here. People, one of our characters is up half a million dollars, and she's a nurse. So it's life-changing, you know, several hundred thousand dollars for a lot of these day

traders where they're making, you know, making 25,000 a year. So that in itself is inherently dramatic. It's like, whether or not you can understand what an option is, what a short squeeze is, it doesn't actually, we discovered really matter. It's like we had gone through this process of trying to explain it at times and realized it just bogged down the momentum of the film because it's such a stressful ride, so intense. And the more we strip the way, the more we realize you just don't need it. The stress comes from these, quote, ordinary people on very low wages suddenly looking at their phones and seeing that there are many many many many many thousands of dollars richer should they cash in should they yeah

and there is going to be a moment where they should because it's it's like you know once everybody starts selling it's going to drop dramatically everybody's going to hold together as long as possible and try and write out these hedge funds. And I'm sitting at home watching this, going, no sell. I know, stop. Now get out. Absolutely. It was incredibly intense. It was a two week period where the stock went from $20

to $400. Over night it went from $120 to $400. So in this 24 hour period, they're making huge amounts of money because also they're doing this thing which is an option, which is something that Robin would allow you to do and they sort of... Did you just explain who Robinhood? Oh, sorry.

Robinhood is an app. All these day traders can use. It's a very easy way to get in on Wall Street. You don't need a bank account. You just need a credit card. And so we made it very accessible. It also took things like options which only exist in the United States which is a very complicated trading and made that very

accessible. The thing with an option is when it hits you could make 50 times what you are investing. You can also, if it doesn't hit, you get zero. So the stakes are infinitely higher. The thing, there are some people who are banking to use a phrase on it, on it being so complicated that us, the small people, exactly. We're going to, I can't follow this. This is a way too complicated.

And they're quite happy that we think that. So in some ways, everybody was doing this large education online, they're saying, on Wall Street Bets, which is part of a reddit community. It started out with 400,000 people, and in that eight week period, ballooned to eight million. So the amount of people on there explaining things during TikTok's social media,

there was this mass education going on in this real, just strong movement. But the other thing that, in the backdrop of this that I found fascinating, this was during COVID, there was a real sense of alienation, a real frustration going on, a real fear, like real mortality, lots of people dying. It was a very, very intense period. Obviously, that we all lived through. But on top of that, there was people becoming very aware of the disparity of wealth that

was going on in the world, particularly in America, the lack of government aid. And there was this frustration and anger that was happening as well. And then lack of government aid, and there was this frustration and anger that was happening as well. And then, GameStop came along, and it was a way for people to voice their frustration at the 1% as well, really, in this case, the 0.01% as they go off to Wall Street and hit them where it hurts. So, as much as there was that base community

of people trying to make money, there was also this huge movement of people just really trying to stick it to the man. So I was big. The Covid locked down the masks and everything sort of marks your film forever. Over the decades, this is a period drama, not just because of the closed people are wearing because of the events that are taking place, but because of the masks everywhere. And I, we discussed this quite a lot over the last few years on the show. Covid impacts our storytelling in many different ways, and it's particularly affected this story. Well, it had to, because I think Covid was a large part of how this became possible.

And also, it was a way to show the disparity of wealth. You know, interestingly, it's like you would see these extremely wealthy people with all their staff wearing masks, but they won't. You know, we would have a party in Florida with no masks. That was sort of a very social commentary going on with COVID. We're halfway through our conversation Craig. We haven't mentioned a pool day. They've said, who played, so the central character here is Keith Gill, real person, he's the guy, essentially, it is about one guy and what his observation was about this stuff, just introduces to Keith Gill and then why you thought Paul Dana was the man.

There was this character that was on the Wall Street Betz on Reddit as well as known as, and on YouTube, he was known as Keith Gill, known as Ryan Kitty, aka Deep Shhh Value, and he started about a year before this really like championing GameStop and thinking it was grossly undervalued, there was a huge short position against it, and he would do these seven hour videos once a week talking about it and going really in depth on the analytics of it. But he'd do it in a cat t-shirt and a headband. He was incredibly endearing and the movement started to rarely around him.

He put his life savings of 55,000 into it. At one point in the film, he's up to $49 million. So I water it. It's just staggering. And the, the, the, just the commitment that he has, and this is a real person that, that, that this online community was following and waiting to see if he was going to sell or not. And then there's certain nefarious things that happen along the way. So trying to find somebody that can play that role that can be so endearing and get 8 million people like leaning in and wanting to support his cause.

There was this altruism and there was this sweetness to him, but it was also this intelligence, and I couldn't think of anybody other than Paul Danor to play it. I got so lucky that he engaged with us. It's like I looked at his breath of work. Surprisingly, it was Suisami man with Paul Dano that actually made me realize he was the man. But we got to sit down and we really started to dig into that character and that journey for him. And it just evolved so beautifully with Paul. He's such a thoughtful actor, really thinks about the written word and what's happening. And it was very protective of the character.

Very true to what was actually happening in the real circumstances. I get the feeling that you had to move pretty fast on this film because my kids are going, oh hey, I know this story, I remember this, there are a lot of people listening to this. I remember when this was in the news, it was making the news over here. So the book was the anti-social network, but it's only a couple of years ago, how fast have you had to move, Craig, to get this to the screens?

It was uncharacteristically fast, but I actually love that process. When I came on board, it was a couple of months, I think, after the congressional hearings, which is what's really fascinating about this story, it's not just about the stock market. It goes to Congress because there is considered something that happened that was maybe not above board.

There was some moves that happened in the stock market that made it crater and that was all being investigated. And there was a real possibility that Paul Daniel's character would be a scapegoat in this. So that was all happening in real time when I came aboard and wasn't actually in the script that I had read because it was so close to what was happening. So that was all written in, every precautions of that, and then their hearings and then what happened after the hearings with lawsuits, these things kept happening as we were prepping the movie, just the weeks up to shooting.

So we would be adjusting things on the fly for the accuracy of it. And when you were on set, do you move fast? Yes. This was an independent film. I mean, part of moving fast on set is working with my collaborators, production designers and wardrobe and my DP, Nicholas Katouts, Katana, so I've done Coroller and I, Tonya, with we come incredibly prepared. I mean the amount of

costume changes involved, the amount of sets we're doing, and then the amount of coverage that we have to do on this, it was a very high bar for us on this, but we had such amazing talent coming in and working for maybe every week, you know, Paul Daniel, Seth Rogen, Pete Davidson, Nicholas Alphamon. If you've got those people, there is a humor to this situation, which maybe at the time those involved didn't really quite get. But if you've got Nick Alphamon and Seth Rogen, we are smiling as well, aren't we?

Well, interestingly, I really enjoyed playing them against hype. They actually play the hedge fund guys in this, and it's like, not where you would expect necessarily. So there's this, there's a sumbeness to what's going on. A Nick Hoffman plays the King Griffin. I find a lot of times that, you know, with, you know, comedic actors, they can, the dramatic chops are astounding. Seth Rogan, being able to play against type and really

gives some humanity to a character that the audience is coming in and expecting to hate. He just makes it more complex and gives them a dimension that I think is necessary. Can I ask you about the music that you selected because it's loud and it's brash and it's in your face? It is. Was that always your intention? Yes, it's interesting. The's like, the Reddit users pride themselves on being aggressive and very vocal

and as they call themselves to generates and apes and on this Wall Street platform, they are loud and brush and aggressive. And I felt to start with WAP out of the gate without film, like sort of gives you a sense of the tone of the characters that we're dealing with. And at the end, you talk about the congressional hearings, which you've used the actual footage of,

I guess, COVID and the remoteness and filming on Zoom helped you in that respect. But I wonder if people will, there are a few words at the end, but can you say what has changed as a result of the events of GameStop? Who's learnt what? There's one line at the end of this, which I enjoy, which was from a news reporter, which used to be that the Reddit users were this fringe movement on the side with Wall Street.

And now they actually have the power to move markets, which has really gotten Wall Street's attention. I mean, after GameStop, there was then the AMC, a meme stop that happened four weeks later where they actually saved, they meant to save AMC because AMC could reinvest their stocks and get back in the black. They were about to go bankrupt. That was a big change. It's like now the hedge funds, 85% of them are monitoring social platforms to see what they're doing in terms of their shorts. So they've become a real force in that way.

Sadly, there's been no legal change. And that was part of the frustration that we're trying to get across in the film that this went through, not to give anything away, but it went through all these congressional hearings and SEC investigations, and nothing has come of that yet. So there's a hope that this can fan that in a way. It's like, and sort of reinvigorate the base to look into that. Yeah. So is there a part two, do you think,

or have you had enough of Wall Street? Not a part two of this, per se, for a film. I think there's a part two of this story. But also, just in terms of legislation, it's like trying to be hopeful that this can sort of somehow make some kind of impact. Do the hedge funders still use the term done money? I would think so.

So they haven't learned. I would say, I think they might be a little more careful using it, but we'll see. What do you work on next, Craig? We've still got correlates who in the works. We'll see what happens there, and there's a couple of other projects that we're trying to figure out it's complicated with the strike but we'll see. Greg let's be thank you very much for your time. It's been a pleasure thank you. I mean as we speaking looks to the right of strike is sorted yes it's in the process of

being yes and the expectation that the actors will also sell just so some points just coming out of that interview. One of my favorite memories of recent years is you looking up WAP when it came up in conversation and being and then having to looking to lead my search history. Megan three stallion performing performing so and that and that is the and that is the first piece of music that you hear in this. Also, when he's talking about comedic actors and the range that they have,

and we talked about Nick Hoffman there. The last time we talked about Nick Hoffman was in the last of us episode three, because again, two comedic actors there in that astonishing episode. And I didn't realize it was him until almost the end of the movie. Yeah. That the wealthiest hedge funder of all is Nick Hoffman. Yes. So I thought that was very good. And also the other thing that Craig Gillespie said, when we'd finished in the interview, he said, I wanted to mention America for error. And he didn't

say, why, I imagine he just wanted to say what a great performance it is. So let's just say that as well. I think she puts in her, yeah, she's one of them. It's a strong cast and her role as a hospital. Was she a nurse? He says nurse. Okay. It's as one of the kind of the small people in a vertical finds themselves sitting on half a million and doesn't and but hangs on. Yes, exactly. They're kind of composite characters, but America for a Craig Lesby wanted to mention her and didn't.

Should also just say that during that interview, after he said Paul Dano, I googled search Paul saying his own name. I had said Dano the question. Yeah. And he said Dano and I thought, I've got that wrong there. Yeah. No, well, I've said Dana my whole life. And I Google searched him saying his own name.

And he says Paul Dana. So he's, so he, he is Paul Dana. Paul, if you're listening to this next time you work with Craig Gillespie, just say, by the way, this is how you say my name. When the, when the director of Joker talked about working with Hilda Gennadine Menditzertubov. Yeah.

Or success. The aforementioned Seth Rogen and Charlies Thron. Yes. He said, how did you say that? I know, that's how she likes it being said for Connol. Because we really need to, he then turned to Charlies Thron. Is that how you do it? Seriously. Yes.

So, you know, you can be working with someone for a long time and still say, Connong. Yeah. As James Canong says. Yes, exactly. Dead to me. Anyway, dead to me. But a good, but a good, also, Shaling Woodley should get mentioned as well.

And she's, I think she's, I said this in one of you, I think the reason that you believe in Paul Deino's character as much as you do is because Shaling Woodley does such a good job of playing his partner and she believes in him, but in a way that is completely credible, not just sort of a random movie, oh this person believes him, therefore you should do too. You do believe that she has stuck by him for a good reason.

Was it the movie Spotlight, which was the story of the journalist who exposed the corruption in their Catholic church? One of the Academy that can't be award winnings to you. But one of the things that they did was they made kind of looking things up in files quite exciting. Yes. And Craig Lesby manages to make people watching things on the internet. Lots of... Well, lots of... On their phones. Yes, I know you have all the time.

People looking at their phones. It happens every two minutes in this picture. But it doesn't feel as though it doesn't slow it down. But it was also fascinating because I had said in the review, look, they have simplified a lot of this because it needs to work emotionally. And he said, it was interesting to hear him say exactly the same thing that we, you know, they had a bunch of stuff in about short squeeze and they, and then they went just take it out because the thing makes sense. It's you haven't got them, and there you have got

the money. But if you hang on onto it, you might not have it. And they do reduce it down to its absolute simplest essence as they do as well with the kind of David and Goliath story. It is simplified for the purpose of drum, and it works dramatically. And it was interesting how much he said it's to do with emotionally engaging the audience, not explaining to them how a short squeeze on GameStop works. The comparison he makes is with Apollo 13.

Do you really need to know how they get back? Really? No, you just need that. Just get back. They put this thing into that thing and then they turn the widget round and reverse the polarities. Yeah, that's right.

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No, no, because you've sent it away. Did I tell you about the unfortunate incident on Woolberg's Week Beach this summer? It will come back. The good lady ceramic's tearing doors. You sent it away. Came running out of the sea, her face contorted with pain. I just got stung by a jellyfish.

Quick, pee on it. She says, so I ran back into the sea. That's the thing in my wife, I said. Revenge was mine. She sent it away so it will come back. I quite a very interesting time at the Dolphinarium the other day. They have an incredible invention that allows you to talk to the Dolphys. I said to a pair of them, so how did you two meet?

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Visit ScotiaBank.com slash welcome offer, Scotia Bank Conditions Apply. Visit scotabank.com slash welcome offer scotabank conditions apply And the answer is of course as Mark spoiled by saying silence. I mean it was a question. It's a rhetorical question Yeah, but they will have cut that bit out of me saying so really okay Well, the answer was of course, so let's they left it in just to them just just for the hilarity of it now I'll come back. I'm looking at a photograph of two old men walking through streets of Soho. Yes. And Alan Mully has sent this in. And he says, is that mark in the background of

this stock image of Ian Gillan and Richie Blackmore walking through Soho? So we're back with Deep Purple. Yes. So Ian Gillan is no longer the long-haired Ian Gillen, but he's wearing, you know, jeans, brown shoes and kind of a stylish coat. And they're richy black, more as dressed all in black. Yes, with it like a dress suit jacket on, I think. And in between them, yes, about 20 yards behind, carrying a bag is a man in a suit, but the face almost looks pixelated. So why don't? But obviously Alan Mully thinks that that's

you looking at it. And it's your ground, certainly so. No, isn't it? Yeah, but I can guarantee you it's not me, and the reason I can guarantee you it's not me is that I don't wear blue shirts, I don't have that bag bag and I'm much more handsome than that. Man in a suit, with a pixelated face. So you're more handsome than a pixelated man.

I'm more handsome than a pixelated face, but also that man is wearing a blue shirt and a blue tie and I do not own a blue shirt. I have a black shirt or I have a couple of white shirts, but I don't have a blue shirt. Ian Gillin is wearing like a blue rugby shirt. Actually, I need to say it's not the coolest of things, but then we've all worn blue rugby shirts. It's on a time, I suppose. Yeah. Anyway, nice to have Deep Purple mention again.

Fantastic. It's a Deep Purple week. Julian Evitz, long term listener, multiple emailer based in occasionally sunny Chester. Just thought I'd email to add my two penoth on a couple of recent discussions, both things that made me chuckle. Firstly, and actually I don't think there is a second leak, unless it's quite easy to out.

So we'll just dwell on the first. OK. Firstly, unnecessary, excessive or spoilery content warnings on films and TV shows. Yes. I just finished watching Ozark. Thanks for the recommendation. Oh, it's great. Loved it, loved it, loved it.

And was always amused by the content warning that was used in series three and four, along with making us aware of depictions of sex, violence, and drugs. Netflix decided that we needed to be four warned before each episode that the show contained, and I quote quote references to crime I mean it's a show about money laundering and murderous drug cartels. So yes, it does

Refer to crime on occasion. Who is this warning for particularly after the two previous series? No one watching series three was going to be surprised. Crime gets a mention. I went to see that godfather three To let me all about criminals. Well, so you get warning if it contains smoking, scenes of tobacco use comes up. But anyway, the thing is Julian, unless this has been censored by the head sensor, I don't know what is the other thing

that you want to add your two penets? Because that's like one pen. It's one peneth. It's a one D. So I don't really know what else it is you wanted to contribute to, unless you've kind of just because that's like one per... It's one perleth. It's a one D. So I don't really know what else it is you wanted to contribute to, unless you've kind of just lost the will to live halfway through. Anyway, correspondence at kermanamer.com.

Yes, and if you come across any, in your opinion, unnecessary, excessive or spoilery content, well, I mean, to be honest, it's only there for a couple of seconds. I mean, it's soon, it does disappear. It's not particularly intrusive. Correspondence at codermayer.com. So tell us something. It's nice for all the family. Saw X.

OK, all home. And as Simon Pull just said, everyone here finds out, well, you don't want to have a Saw X. Socks. Your Socks, as you called it. So or Saw Toe, the 10th Saw movie. Just to get you up to speed, if somehow you've been living under a rock and aren't aware of any of this, the original saw was a kind of cheap se7on from James Wan and Lee Wanel.

Costs 1.2 million took 103 million, which explains why there have been 10 so far. So, saw 3 cost 10 million, took 164 million. The franchise has now taken over a billion, so it is a billion dollar franchise. As it went on, it became more and more about the torture and more and more about looping back to previous films and then going, oh yeah, but if you just turn the camera slightly to the right,

you'll see that this person that you thought was this person was actually that, so it was kind of like trying to, and it became absolutely nuts. In later on in this series, we got Jigsaw, which I rather enjoyed, um, and then spiral from the book of saw, which was rubbish and which tanked financially as well. So the whole of the saw thing is set in motion by the idea of John Kramer is terminally ill, dishing out retribution, but he says it's not retribution. It's actually to do with, you know, it's a reset in his dying days. John Kramer dies at the end of sore 3. So, four starts with his autopsy. So, the fact that we're now on sore 10 means, okay, either the legacy is passed on or, in fact, he's back because this is a prequel. This is sort X is sort 1.5.

Takes place somewhere between one and two. So a C-1 to one, a prequel to two. Directed by Kevin Groetert, who directed six and seven. John's been given his diagnosis. He's living out his final days, dreaming of jigsaw traps. Such as the one he dreams up when in the hospital, and he sees a hospital worker who is stealing from a patient. And this is the poster that you'll see

with the guy with the tubes on his eyes, crossed in an X. Here's a clip. Oh, incidentally, this alludes to torture. I'd like to play a game. Perhaps one of the dresses those sticky fingers of yours. I've had my eyes on you and I do not like what I see.

Your job as a custodian is a noble one, sanitizing and sterilizing the hospital, helping patients avoid sickness. But there is a sickness inside you that needs to be excised. You have the ability to not only save your soul today, but your sight. Why you have to do this? Cook the dial across the five positions, and you will live to see another day. You have sixty seconds. Of course, it's not as easy that when you click the dial, it breaks one of your fingers. I can't imagine a franchise that I'm less interested in seeing a single second of.

So it became kind of the definition of torture porn along with the hotel movies. Although, of course, the first one wasn't. The first one was much more a kind of twisty, stripped down idea. So anyway, then what happens is John has met a fellow terminal patient who seems to have got better and tells him of a radical treatment that's not licensed anywhere. The Peterson project run by Cecilia, who is the daughter of a doctor who's been driven into hiding by big farmer because he's managed to find cures to things and therefore big, I mean, you know, Russell Brand will be covering this all over his true channel. But hey, guess what? And as the

trailer tells us, this isn't a plot spoiler, the whole thing turns out to be a scam. And so John then has to do is he, as he said, you all pretended to cure me, but what I have planned for you is very real, not retribution, a reawakening. So the reawakening then involve, you know, I mean, to saw your own legs off and decapitations and in one sequence, unanithetized brain salad surgery, waterboarding that gets called bloodboarding for obvious reasons and people being boiled whilst attempting to smash their own limbs off with the sled jammer. So it is, and this is for entertainment? Yes, but here's the thing.

Okay. Just park that comment for one moment. There are also all the usual plot twists and reversals in which people who you think are one thing to have to be another thing, but then you never thought they were and then somebody's double crossing, but of course you can't have blah, blah, blah. The Bbfc says of the franchise. Fans of the franchise will be familiar with the sadistic and gory mutilation sequences, okay?

Which means, yeah, this is gronk in your. This is theater of cruelty. This is blood feast in its modern inception. It is set pieces in which there is great visceral excess strung together by a plot which is actually more well developed than many of the saw movies. This is definitely one of the better saw movies. Personally, I'm not a fan. I'm not a huge fan of the kind of things, because I find the whole torture stuff, it doesn't work for me. However, if you are in the market for this, and you know, many are, and we were talking just recently about what Grunkin

you're was, and why it was that Herschel Gordon Lewis managed to make such a hit in the drive-ins with films like Blood Feast or why it was that 2000 Maniacs, because there is something about the spectacle of Gore that if you're a horror fan, you do, you understand that. I sat next to Alan Jones watching this and we both had the same reaction was that in the really kind of absurdly not and it's nasty. I mean, it is nasty. In the really absurdly nasty term, it's also funny and not funny that you're laughing at it. But there is a book called Laughing Screaming, which is about how laughter and horror are kind of very closely connected. It's quite often, if you see a very gory horror film, something really, really gory will

happen, and then you'll hear laughter in the audience. It's not laughing at the violence. It's laughing with the film because there is something about the excess of the violence. So it is back to the kind of the nasty end of it. I mean, when we were in Jigsaw and things, it was getting kind of very self-referential and very, very funny. From the book of source, Barraven, because source was just awful and kind of took itself more seriously than had any right to do. This is back to the sort of had any right to do. This is back to the sort of Saul III peak grotesque torture in juke. No, I know. And I wouldn't advise for one moment that you see this film. And I would also say that as I said, I've never been really a Saul fan because I don't particularly like

that stuff, but I don't have a problem with it. And I think that in terms of a saw movie, this is one of the better saw movies. It's definitely, it's got, you know, it is nasty. It is quite funny. It has, it actually has a plot and dialogue. And people say, well, you know, you get to really kind of understand the character. Well, you don't, but on the other hand, the stuff that's done is done well and done efficiently.

I think it will be successful. I think fans, I mean, like, for example, child two who basically grew up with the sore movies when it originated your child to, yeah, child two, because, you know, it's a franchise that if you are of a certain age, it's like the Friday the 13th movies, you know, if you were a certain age, you remember the first ones come out and you weren't able to see them but you saw the posters and you knew the idea. So I think that the hardcore fan base will like it and I think it'll do well and I think it is definitely one of the better saw movies and I say that as somebody who isn't a fan of saw but who sat then next to Alan, next to Alan, Alan had exactly the same feeling as I did, that the really, really nasty bits are really nasty and then you laugh. And so, you know, so there we are. It is, it does

exactly what it says on the tin, which is not something you can say of all the saw films, because some of them are just terrible films, and this isn't a terrible film. Your correspondence comes to Correspondence at COVIDAmeomeo.com. Thank you very much, DeFrault, the voice notes letting us know about everything that's happening around the world and around the corner from where you live and here's our latest selection. Hi Mark and Simon, I'm here to tell you about the Down Under Berlin Film Festival. Europe's leading festival for Australian and New Zealand film is back for their 11th edition. This year's festival promises to showcase feature films, shorts and documentaries

that highlight unique stories rarely seen on German cinema screens. The festival runs from the 11th to the 14th of October at Movesie Mentokino in Berlin. For more info and tickets visit DownUnderBurlin.de. See you at the movies! Hello Simon and Mark, Bernie here from Pender Island in beautiful British Columbia, Canada. We'd like to invite folks to our full Pender Island Community Centre film series and our classic hitchcock season kicks off with Rebecca on October 6th, the 39 steps on November 3rd and North by Northwest on November 11th. Entries by donation and other films are being added weekly, so check out penderilands.org for details.

Greetings Mark and Simon, Lars Sear once again telling you about Norway's Ramaskreek Film Festival. It's the scariest film festival in the country with about 30 horror films. The 13th edition, who, of our festival, runs from the 19th until the 22nd of October, this year the great horror legend MacKaris joins us. Visit us in Uptali, Norway this Halloween season and get the lightfully frightened amongst other horror fans. Cheers!

Hello, Mark and Simon, for Bid and World's Film Festival returns in October with our spin-off, the big scream at the Bristol former iMacs in the centre of Bristol. We'll be opening on Friday the 13th of October at 5 o'clock, screening night of the creeks, passes and tickets are available at our website, but we are selling quite quickly, so please visit for bin and worlds, filmfestival.co.uk if you'd like to buy a pass or a ticket as we wouldn't want you to miss out. See you in October. Happy Halloween. That truly was an international, it was. I think our reach is huge. It's a marvel of the festival director promoting down under Berlin Film Festival,

which is 11th to the 14th of October. And then Bernie telling us about the Pender Island Film Club in British Columbia, Canada, Lars in Norway talking about the, and then also the Ramas Creek Film Festival. Thank you, Lars, for the theatrical. Just like to say that Simon was doing that impression, not me, Lars. I wouldn't go there. Finally, Tessa from Bristol for the Forbidden World's Film Festival coming up in October.

So you've got the general idea send us some information from wherever you are in the world an audio trailer please correspondents at kerbidomeo.com that is the end of take one take two La has already landed adjacent to this podcast it's been a Sony music entertainment production. The team were Lily, Zaki, Gully, Paulie, Richie, Bethy, Michael, Hannery and Simon E. Mark, what's your film of the week? Creatory. Thanks. Putt, our second pod already there, go listen to that. And then very excitingly take three with questions. Schmissions will be with you on Wednesday, which was sending the good lady ceramicists to sleep.

But sadly not me.