Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Gary Oldman, Slow Horses, White Noise, Nil By Mouth, Tori & Lokita, & Violent Night

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

Why eating nineteen bowls of noodles helped Gary Oldman get into character for Jackson Lamb – he joins Mark and Simon in the studio, fully in character for ‘Slow Horses season two’. Gary talks filming the new series, as well as the 25th anniversary of ‘Nil by Mouth.’ Mark reviews ‘White Noise’- an apocalyptic black comedy directed by Noah Baumbach and starring Greta Gerwig, Adam Driver and Don Cheadle, ‘Tori & Lokita,’ which tells the tale of two youngsters who are united by their shared experience of travelling  alone from Africa and having to contend with the cruel conditions of their exile in Belgium, the 1997 cult classic ‘Nil By Mouth’ which has been re-released by the BFI  for its 25th anniversary - written and directed by Gary Oldman, and ‘Violent Night’ - a new Christmas horror comedy – where Santa Claus is called in to rescue a wealthy family from a group of mercenaries. Plus your correspondence, the Box office Top 10, What’s On, the Laughter Lift and much more! You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media: @KermodeandMayo EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! TIME CODES FOR THE VANGUARD (apologies we can’t put out time codes for those who don’t subscribe as the ad times fluctuate) 12:30 White Noise Review 19:41 Box Office Top 10 36:01 Gary Oldman Interview 56:09 Laughter Lift 01:02:18 Tori & Lokita Reivew 01:09:35 What’s On 01:12:28 Violent Night Review A Somethin’ Else & Sony Music Entertainment production.   Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trying to escape the holiday playlist. Well, it's not gonna happen here. Jesus' season for a vacation Fa la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la With sunwing seasons of savings on now, why not ditch the cold and dive straight into sun? Visit your local travel agent or... Sunwing.ca Something that's... What's the opening of the script? It says, general jolly.

This is what I'm doing. I know. This is my seasonal, what's the sale? Start to the show. I can do it for the next couple of weeks. I love the fact that everybody thinks that this whole thing about Mark can't read scripts is some long standing joke, but it's not. I actually can't read scripts, but I've now got the physical piece of paper in my hand, and I'm just surprised to see that it actually starts general jolly. But it does that every week.

Oh, you don't, don't read it. You read it. Because I've got another thing which is going on. So anyway, here I am with my script, Wasile. We haven't done that for a while. Oh, because we haven't done it for a year because of the next. Sorry. It's an annual, it's an annual thing. I've not had a summer holiday since, oh, right. We're going to start the show with from our friends at the Economist who don't advertise anymore. So have they stopped advertising? This is the best name for an exhibition of the year. This is my award for the... Okay, so I'm just going to read part of it. You're going to have to guess what the name of the exhibition is. It's all about Jewish food. Right. Paragraph 2. Bagels, locks, pastramian pickles became mainstays of Jewish

deli cuisine, which is the subject of a small, well-curated exhibition at the New York Historical Society called, well you'll never guess, so I'm going to tell you. I'll have what she's having. Oh that's very good, that's very good. And then it says, the name comes from a scene in when Harry Metzali in which Meg Ryan exaggerates, but not by much, the deliciousness of the menu at Katz's delicatessen on the low-reside. Are you eating the Katz's? So well done to the economist guy. Are you eating the Katz's? No, of course not.

You've been to New York? I didn't know that. I was supposed to do that. Yes, it's a thing. And sorry, just to sorry, the other softball. And who is the person who says, I'll have what she's having? Oh, it's her film.

Is it Nora? No, it's not Nora from the... It's Rob Ryan's mum. Oh, Rob Ryan's mum. Okay, I did know that and I've clearly forgotten it. But anyway, so I thought that was very good. In fact, I might just go to New York now a bit later on just to go and eat the cat. It's really great. I mean, it's a that was very good. In fact, I might just go to New York now a bit later on just to go and eat at Kat.

So I can... It's really great. I mean, it's a very, very good deli. Jewish delicatessen is a disappearing, which is the basis of the basic deli. Oh, are they? Yeah, I didn't know that. Anyway, just in general. Just in general, yeah.

Just in general. Okay, that's a great shame. It is back to the script. I've already put the script down, and I've got to pick it up again. What's coming up on the show today? Lots of reviews, Tori and LeKita, Violet Knight, White Noise. And we've got...

Why does White Noise get louder volume? Why do you say White Noise louder than you did Violet Knight? Well, White Noise. White Noise is a noise that fills everything. You have it in the background, it's not. White Noise. Well, okay, all right, so let's do it again. So I wrote a violent night. Tori and the key to it. That's quite annoying. Anyone else?

And we have a very, very special guest into talk about a number of things. Who is Gary Oldman? Well, that is actually Mr. Gary Oldman. And as if that wasn't enough. On Monday for the Vanguard, we're going deeper into the world of film and film a Jason television with another extra take in which you'll get a bonus review of. Bonus reviews, plural of last white home, which is the only two-moner film, and Lynch Oles, which is a documentary about how everything David Lynch ever did is based on the Wizard of Oles. And expanding your viewing and I our feature one frame back, one frame back, inspired by white noise. White noise, white noise, white noise. We're discussing

post apocalyptic comedies. This mark responds, we're going in. Post apocalyptic comedies. Okay, I just tell you, the best post apocalyptic comedy is the bed sitting room. Okay, well that's kind of giving me a little bit of careful. And in Take It All Leave It, you decide a word of mouth on a podcast feature. Mark will be talking about the four part and yes I have seen all four parts of it including the last part last night at your house. Yes. FIFA uncovered. Wow. Please send your suggestions for anything that we might have missed as far as streaming is concerned. Correspondency, Curman and Mayo. Yes. Fiefer uncovered. Wow. Please send your suggestions for anything that we might have missed as far as streaming is concerned. CorrespondencyCoverName.com. Did you know that Fiefer were not an entirely

not entirely above board? Is that right? Yeah. I am surprised to learn this. This stuff happened with them that could be questionable. Please do sign up to our premium value extra takes through Apple Podcasts or if you prefer a different platform you should go to extra takes.com. And if you're already a Vanguardista as always, we salute you. I apologise by the way for my grumbly voice. I am not going to be projecting too much through the course of this show. When I arrived at Shae Mayo, that's night at 9.. And I'm always exactly on the dot of nine thirty. I am really, really punctual. So I come in, have a cup of tea, get out of your hair, and you open the door

and you went, oh, wow. And you sounded really, really rough. Just like this, really? No, no, no, no, you sounded worse yesterday. Beth Morrison says, F-D-E-L-T-L, my husband, Chris, who introduced me to your awesome show, is celebrating his 40th birthday on the 22nd of December. Oh, yeah. We are both film lovers and can't wait for your reviews on what we should see next. To his surprise, I've hired the hippodrome in Boness on the 11th of December,

to watch a family-friendly Christmas movie. That's fantastic. And to top off his milestone birthday, I know he would love for his favourite podcasters to wish him a very happy birthday. If you're free at 10am on Sunday the 11th, you're all very welcome to come and watch a movie with 40 of our nearest and dearest friends and family. That's from Beth Morrison. So Beth, thank you very much indeed.

Chris, happy birthday. Imagine being 40. Yeah, I know. I remember that. It was a previous century. What a great idea to go to the hip-a-draming bonus. Or just to hire a cinema and just show movies. The bonus hip-a-draming is one of the most fantastic venues. Firstly, because of the way it's designed, the sound in it is brilliant,

because the dodges have played silent movies there a couple of times, a few times, and it's, it's sound is absolutely brilliant. But it's also one of those places that you walk into it and you immediately feel that whatever you're going to watch, it's going to be a theatrical experience. And I've seen Neil Brand playing along to, you know, early silent comic shorts with a whole auditorium full of young kids, laughing and enjoying really, really getting the most out of science. And it's such a beautiful venue. It's absolutely fantastic.

Did you use the word comic shorts? Well done. I mean, you see, it's okay, he's allowed to rustle the... What is it, vocals? I'm a vocalist. I used to have to pretend that they weren't because we were on the BBC. All right, but now we can say...

Jamie Column and Tom Jones, it happened in the same day. Oh, these are a black current flavor. Yeah, I know. How about that radical? Hmm, which actually brought it on. Tom, I had a bad drink. Tom Jones and Jamie Column both came in. I met them for various things, and they both had a packet of. Tom Jen's Jamie Cullen both came in. I met them for various things and they both had to pack it

These in their back pocket and they wouldn't be seen anywhere without them. I go one to Sigourney Weaver once. The Vocal Zone. I think that's perfectly fine. How's your mayo and chunks going? It's going very well. They're going to show that one a picture. Yeah, they don't. If anyone's listening, I'd like to sell out and do an advert.

So Jeff, Jeff coin. Now we've had a few on this and this is going back to a subject which I thought we'd put to bed. Okay. Dear, finally my chance to be clever and I'm blowing it. Very long term listener circa 2005. Okay. Not very long term. Well, it's not the longest, but it's pretty good. Okay. First time emailer, colonial commoner, Brooklyn, expat living, is it curacow? Did you say curacow? Curacao. Curacao, level three.

Curacao, level three. Curacoia. Papi-a-men to student. Curacao. No, not curacao. That's the wrong place altogether. Anyway, Jeff coin continues, surely someone in the writers room at 1899, a film adjacent television show, if ever there was one, is a fan. Okay, this is a new show. Okay. 1899. It's like a period drama,

chemistry science. Is he setting Ratatary? No, I think it's set in like 1986. It's okay. The attached images are from episode one, two thirds on, so this is Netflix. Okay. The show is 18.99. Okay.

Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end. So hello to the writers of 1899. Hello to everyone at Netflix. I think that line's been done before. Can we introduce them to all Parker? Yes. And I think, oh, you might like to just have a word with those people at 1899. I mean, unless it was kind of done as a joke and done reverentially. What you mean, after having said it, the woman in the frame should have winked at the camera and gone, and hello to Jason Isick's. That would have worked. That would have worked.

That would be very good. Okay, I'd just like to remind very long term listeners that in the series that Jason was in, the television series in America, the kind of crime drama, there was a moment in which his character turns up at a dead body on the floor. And his character examines the body and says, he's not gonna be playing the ukulele in heaven. And that was because we hit Ask Jason to get the word ukulele into.

And because it's a good guy. He's a good egg. So if Jason can do it, so can you. A review of White Noise very shortly. Did Jumanji and welcome to the jungle? Yep. Last week I heard you read out some correspondence on the topic of film and board game pairings.

I've ever decided to go through the top rated games listed on board game geek, the main board game resource for nerds like myself. To look for some good matches for films, most of these games will probably be unfamiliar to those outside the niche world of tabletop gamers, but I thought some listeners might enjoy them anyway. So I have to say Jack Spearing, I was unaware of almost all of these board games, but I ran them past child three who knew all of them intimately. And in fact, as you were heading out of the house

this morning, attempted to give you June, June the board game, which was the David Lynch June by the look of a bit. Yeah, and something else which I've forgotten. It was a thing that was based on Getty Western, so it was called Bang. That's right. So, if you watch the birds, you can play wing span. If you watch all the presidents' men, you can play a game called Watergate. If you watch Seven Samurai, there's a game called Seven Samurai. No, just Samurai. Jurassic Park goes with dinosaur island, in Bruges goes with Bruges, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves goes with Sheriff of Nottingham and so on. There's a very, very, very, very, very, very long list here. There are, of course, lots of games based on various film IPs, but that seemed a bit too obvious

so I excluded them from the list. Also, you're absolutely right. Lachromoza, which is where this conversation started, is a complex game that I would only recommend to people already familiar with similarly complex games. So this is, it was suggested as a game to play having watched down a desk. Up with the meeples and down with analysis, paralysis. Says Jack Spearing Medium-term Heritage Lister, previously read out correspondent on the topic of revelatory deer. Do you remember that one? Oh yes, that if you see a deer in a film it means it's a moment of something. So the queen. So the queen looking at the deer in the Wasanae, and yeah, I find it. So anyway, there's going to be more board game and film

mashup ideas in take two for the discerning board game up and film lover this Christmas, so we'll come back to that subject. But Jack, thank you very much indeed. I haven't played any of those games, but I'm going to take your word for it. White noise is out. This is an adaptation of the 1980s Don Delilo novel. Have you read White Noise The Novel? I have not. Okay. Me neither. This is directed by No Boundback who made, well, squid and the whale margo at the wedding while we young marriage story, I think most celebratedly recently, which I really, really liked.

Adam Driver is Professor Jack Gladney who teaches Hitler studies at the college on the hill. He's doing, he's, he's causing advanced Nazism. He's married to Babet, played by Greta Goig, whose kids spot her popping pills and starting to become forgetful and they find a jar of some drug that they don't recognize the name of and no one's quite sure what it's doing. Anyway, this all goes on for a while and then one day there's an accident involving moving vehicles, which spills toxic chemicals to create an airborne toxic event, kind of, you know, a disaster movie thing, which means everyone has to be evacuated.

Suddenly, everyone takes their cars, everyone's evacuated. So it has the outward structure of a disaster movie. But while the disaster is happening and while, you know, everyone's trying to get away from the airborne toxic event and the car is doing things like ending up in the, in the creek. All these uptight people are still talking about exactly the same stuff as they were talking about before. This, we don't have a clip, we have the trailer, it gives you a sense of the film. There we go. Do she have lashes? Ask her father. We're going sideways.

Yeah, do she have lashes? Doesn't anyone want to pay attention to what's actually happening? I wish there was something I could do, I wish I could outthink the problem. There are two kinds of people in the world. Killers and diaries. Most of us are diaries. I know we're safe. There's no such thing right here. They need us.

For some persistent sense of large-scale ruin. We keep inventing hope. He looks actually to be a cook. Yes, he looks like Alan Partridge. It is exactly who he looks like. And that is in fact, in my notes. I really am sorry. For exciting, interesting things to say about the movie.

Mouse Boyle by the fact that Simon's already said it. So, do you remember a while ago, there was a kind of running meme on the internet about Wes Anderson Spider-Man. Do you remember this? I don't. It was like people doing sketches, which is because there was a whole thing about Wes Anderson. And so, they would be like Spider-Man. Do you remember this? I don't. It was like people doing sketches, which is because there was a whole thing

about Wes Anderson being in, so they would be like Spider-Man going, I'd been bitten by a spider, and then somebody else going, out, and then, you know, turning and walking away. So, this is like Noob Amback's day after tomorrow. And it is, what's the word, insufferable, I think, I think is the word. Don Chiddle is a professor who is trying to make Elvis his Hitler, you know,

and who opens the film with a lecture on the joy of car crashes in American movies. And he says, look past the violence, here is a wonderful, brimming sense of innocence and fun. And I spend a lot of the movie thinking, if only some of that was in the film. Everyone else is humorously obsessed with death. They're all anxious about death. And the whole plot is full of,

kind of ironic, sarcastic, bon mose, like all plots move deathwood. Adam Driver, apart from, looking like Steve Cougan and Alan Partridge talks like someone reading text from a novel. As indeed does everyone else. Danny Elfman tries to kind of inject some Mars attacks to Thereman sounding fun into the soundtrack. All it did was it reminded me just how much more I enjoyed the little green motions in marzotax going, A-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- sound all around uniform white. That's a key for you to go white noise, white noise, white noise, white noise. Or I'm tentatively scheduled to die.

Or any other number of lines that literally just read like somebody is the script, read that stuff out. Now, I know that that's deliberate. I do understand that the whole thing is, you know, meant to be ironic and, you know, finger on chin and a raised eyebrow and a little bit, but there's a very, very thin line between that and smugly annoying. And they're the wrong side. That in the clip that we just showed at the point at which you realised that Adam Driver looks like Steve Cougan.

The car, the station wagon they're in, goes off the road and goes into the creek, and then they're all still arguing about all the other stuff and Adam Driver says, you know, he's like, everybody not noticing the stuff that's going on. And what happened was as the station wagon went into the creek, I was suddenly reminded of National Lampoon's Vacation, which is a film I didn't like when I saw it, but which I liked a lot more as I was watching white noise. And I actually started thinking, where's Chevy Chase when you need him? And that is not a phrase I ever thought I would hear, let alone think. And then it ends. Only to start again, sometime later, in which there's a whole other act, in which we just go off into some more self-referential, very smugly, please with itself,

off into some more self-referential, very smugly, please with itself, eyebrow, chin, stuff. And oh yeah, and then there are the moments when the film breaks into out of context dance, you know, which is one of the key things about up itself American cinema is out of context dancing. I thought it was incredibly annoying and I thought it went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and I know some people think better of it. I didn't. Insufferable.

Is. A good one. One word. Review, still to come on this here, bud. Excuse me while I work, do you have a, oh Oh yes, reviews of Torian Lakita, Violet Knight, and we will be talking to our special guest. Who is Gary Oldman, time for the ads, unless you're in the vanguard in which case we'll be back before you can say Keith Burkenshaw.

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Alex on the subject of Pinocchio. Oh yes, this is the Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio. Yeah, so this is not gonna be in the charts. Okay, so Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio comes to Netflix on the 16th, but it's in cinemas now. It is, you have to look for it in cinemas, but it is having a proper theatrical opening before going to Netflix.

But there has always been this issue about Netflix not returning box office figures. I read a story recently that that is changing, but I don't think it has done yet. So anyway. Alex says, Simon Mark, I was completely enchanted. The stop motion was beautiful and charming

and I was taken aback, both by the beauty of the landscapes and the wonderfully evocative built environment scenes. It's absolutely worth going to watch on a big screen to see in its full glory. It must have been. It really is. The film was inventive and playful in its adaptation of this familiar story,

and packed a mightily emotional punch. Coming out so close to living, Bill and I film, I can't help but think about the different, but to me at least, complementary ways in which both films lead us through an exploration of the subject of death, to the question of what it means to live and to live well. I found both deeply moving and look forward to seeing them again.

But I can just correct myself. It's on Netflix from the 9th of December, not the 16th. So if you want to go and see it in a cinema, go and see it now, and I completely agree with that email that it really does deserve to be projected, I think it has very profound things to say about death, which is a subject that has been, you know, we've been thinking about and talking about quite a bit recently. And I just think it's a work of art. I think it's absolutely wonderful. If do see it on the big screen, if you get a chance, it deserves to be projected. In the 10 then, banshee's of Inesherent at number 10, number 15 in America. Definitely one of my top films of the year. Again, a very interesting discussion

of how death or the prospect of death causes one of the characters to turn their back on kindness in a way which I said this before, I think one of the most interesting things about what happens to the Brendan Gleason character is he decides he can't spend time, he can't waste his time anymore, talking to his friend who he thinks doesn't have anything interesting to say because he must dedicate himself to creating some music. And I think there is a point that the music that we hear him create is actually not that good.

Yes. In a way, it's the opposite of living, where Bill Nyey reflects on his life and becomes a better person. Yes. And Brendan Gleason thinks I'm about his life and becomes a better person. Yes. And Brendan Gleason thinks I'm about to die and becomes an absolute... What's a good word, you can say? Full.

Yeah, but an objectionable self-obsessed full of his own artistic genius. Exactly. Which is apparently not genius. Best line of the film. No one remembers kindness, but everyone knows Mozart. Well, I don't. So, Banshee's at number 10, number nine here, number 12 in America, La La Al Crocodile, still around.

Remarkable only for the fact that it's now, it's seventh week, and... But I think that says more about the absence of kid-friendly stuff than it does about the virtues of La La Al Crocodile. The aforementioned living is number eight. I mean, I think it's a really, really good film. I, funnily enough, I had a conversation just recently with Kazooirashi Gururu, which I mentioned before.

And I think that he's done a really smart thing in terms of the... Keeping the central structure, which is that the... In the third part of the film, it's not flashback, but it becomes about memory. And I think you said that it's probably one of the things that will go down as one of Bill Nye's defining roles. I think so. Because you tend to think of all the movies where he's been

very funny, very smart, very clever. And you think, oh yes, you don't remember him for actually carrying a picture, which is what he does here. Yeah, he does. Like Adam, is it seven? Well, the worst films of the year. Number six here, number eight in America is Bones and All. Johnty, age 24 in Sydney, Australia. Diacolm and Podrick. Mark has made the astute observation on the number of occasions that All Horror is in the end about otherness. And I found Bones and All to speak directly

to the experience I have had about feeling like an other in one's own family and discovering quotes your people out in the world. It works as a road movie, a romance and a coming of age film much more coherently than it does as a horror film, but at the same time I was pleased by the way it never softened the impact of the visual language it uses to externalize its central metaphor with genre. By the time the film cut to its almost water-color-like final image, I was a blubbering mess. But of course, when I tried to explain to my partner what it was about the final sequence

of bones and all that resonated with me, I was met with a bemused look that reminded me of just how important it is to see films with people who think differently to you. Great horror is, after all, about otherness and occasionally cannibals. Take a deep tongue down with brain-dead superhero movies, normalising bloodless and pain-free violence on the screen, says John T. I mean to know all that sex. Yeah, I mean, I have some reservations about bones and all, but I would say that thing about otherness, definitely if you're interested in that, cleared in these trouble every day is well worth checking out, and it is available on DVD.

And of course, Julia DeConnor's Raw, which I think is the kind of the superior version of this story and is absolutely as Julia DeConor describes it. It's a coming of age story about sisterly rivalry and bombs. And I think that's absolutely right. I was also thinking of film like Kirst

or you know it's the thing about the thing about bones all is it isn't a horror movie but it is obviously using the structure of horror movies to discuss those to just those things and which is something that Luca Guadagnino's done before because I don't think he's version of Susperia is really a horror movie. Although, obviously, the Daria one, absolutely is. The menu is the number five here. So child one said to me, they're like, should I go and see the menu? And I said, yeah, it's kind of fun, but it's, you know, it's like that thing about 20 minutes afterwards. You feel that you need another one because it's fairly insubstantial, but it's fun. Number four here, number 11 in the States is, she said Calvin Silvera.

Okay. Says, I saw, she said last week, along with two others in the theater. Just on the film alone, I think I'm more mixed on it than Mark. There are brilliant moments, like the always great Samantha Morton and Jennifer Ely along.

The judge is really terrific. Along with those playing out those recordings. I think the biggest problem for me was that the film only mentions the structure that enables the horrible abuse from Weinstein and didn't really look to explore that side of this. With the exception of one scene involving a tinted car driving by,

there was never a sense of these journalists stepping on toes. Maybe that's an issue with the real story here, but I can only respond to the drama from the film itself. A solid film It kind of lost its way to mediocre melodrama towards the end and I'm saying this is someone who loves a good melodrama Kelvin Silvera on she said at number four. I mean I I think that the film is flawed I think it's a great film. I think it's a solid film. I think that's that's absolutely right I think the point that we were making last week is that the kind of the disastrous box office in America

is absolutely not the film's fault. It's an industrial problem, which is to do with taking a film which needs to have, which needs to build from five theaters, 10 theaters, 20 key cities like that. Having to suddenly opening it in 2,000 theaters and then discovering to your horror

that it's done poorly at the box office. It's nothing to do with the film. It's all to do with the strategy and the way that the marketplace has changed in the wake of COVID. I mean, I think I think I think it dealt with the sort of institutional stuff slightly better than you did. Although, obviously, if you compare it to a film like the assistant, that is a better film and it is a film which is more, manages more, I think, to evoke the idea of this is systemic, that this is that we are swimming in waters in which this is absolutely the case. Can I just mention also, as a footnote, I mentioned KIST when I was just talking about

bones and all. KIST, if you haven't seen it, is well worth checking out. And it's based on that Bob Gowdy short story, We So Sell Them Look On Love. And actually, the more I think about it in relation to bones and all, the more I think it is a very, very interesting companion piece thematically. Number three in the UK, number two in America is Strange World, which again has had a huge box office problems officially called catastrophic by variety it's a Disney animation studios production in top three in here in in America and Yet it is on course to lose between a hundred and a hundred and twenty million dollars for Disney

Which is you know to it's an amount you can ride out, but it is done very, very poorly for a film that's opened as wide as it has. And it's kind of, you can understand why I mean, it's inspired by, like, journey to the center of the earth and King Kong and Polk comic strips. And the design is good, it's kind of nice to look at. It's not much else. It's not, you know, it's not a remarkable film. It's kind of pretty pedestrian outside of the design, but it is another example of a film which is tanked in the American box office because there's something really weird is happening at the moment in terms of people's cinema going habits and release schedules attempting to somehow prefigure out what an audience is going to do.

Anyway, it's a bomb. Number two, here, number one in America, black Panther, we're kind of forever. And email from James Lloyd. And James, thank you very much for getting in touch. And I kind of knew that this was gonna come up. And so it's a mistake that I made. James says, I would say that one of the things about this program, we love to hold our hand up when we make mistakes.

Absolutely. Because the world is full of people who don't. Yes. And I recently became a Vanguard Easter and have been enjoying the extra takes and salutes immensely. So we like him. Yeah. I'm emailing, as when Simon was discussing his attempts to watch like Panther, Wakanda Forever,

which is basically I was watching in Copenhagen and the projector bust. It's all the computer broke. He said that the African language used in the movie is Swahili, which is a Northern Bantu language spoken mainly in Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, and Uganda. It is in fact, and I think, anyway, so I'll read the email. James says it is, in fact, Koza, which is correctly pronounced Koza.

A southern band to language spoken mainly in South Africa and Zimbabwe. This is a bit like confusing English with Greek, from possibly your only subscriber in South Africa. Well, first of all, are there any other subscribers in South Africa? Please get in touch. Yeah. The annoying thing is, I remember that when I said Swahidi, I was thinking, is that right?

Oh, I'm just gonna say it. And I think when the first movie came out, and I was surprised by the extent to which there were other languages that were involved in such a mainstream movie, I think we talked about it being in Cozir. But anyway, thank you James. And I apologize for getting the language wrong.

But that's why so often you go, what are you doing? And I'm, because I start saying to me, it's the old, I was taught this, but when I was working at the time out, and it was either Brian Case or Jeff Andrews said it to me, he said, the thing you know is always wrong.

It's the thing you don't check because you know it to be right is always the thing that's wrong. There you go. Well, that's certainly that's any one of them. So that's, so that's number two. Anyway, do you want to send us about blank pants that we've kind of called it? I like it. More than I thought I was going to, I'm not interested in the underwater people and

the avatar, you know, where avatar stuff. I'm not interested in that. But actually, I did think that it... As a blockbuster movie that is trying to pay tribute to the fact that the center of the franchise is not there and is a great loss, I actually thought that the film had a weird, elegic feeling that I just didn't expect from a movie which has got so much other stuff going on in it. Black Panther, wet avatar forever. That's what you're calling it.

Number one here, not charted in America, Roll Dolls Matilda the Musical, TIFF, age 29 and 10 months, and Emolean, age 10 months and three weeks, doctors. Having heard your review of Matilda, I decided I had to go. Much frantic Googling later, and my one-year-old daughter, Emily, was bundled into the car for the hour-long drive to showcase Reading for her first-ever cinema trip. Oh, well. The cinema was fantastic. How long was she? One. Well, ten months and three weeks. The cinema was fantastic and somewhat telling me the screening was extremely busy, with

babies and parents alike, delighted by the whole film from start to finish. Miracle had the whole theatre in stitches, and as I cuddled my little girl during when I grow up, it seemed awfully like someone was cutting onions next to me. I'm so glad I made the effort to go and see the film on the big screen and I'm already planning my next trip, but a plea to the big chains to follow in every man and showcase his footsteps and bring back baby cinema to allow more people the opportunity to experience cinema with their little miracles who were, it must be said, remarkably code compliant. Keep up a good work down with the trunchables from Tiff and Emily. We had, well you spoke to the great Emma Thompson last week. I wasn't there, although apparently she said to say hello. And it is

a mighty performance. It's interesting, you know, you raised the issue of whether or not It's a mighty performance. It's interesting. You know, you raised the issue of whether or not there was snobbery involved in role-dolls portrayal of Matilda's parents. And there's been quite a lot of stuff about that. It's been raised in a number of other places. And I understand that entirely. It does feel a little bit to me like going straight to the heart of the periphery. But, you know, I thought it was, I thought it was fine, but I haven't seen the stage musical. I would like to have seen the stage musical. It looked like a, you know, a solid cinematic adaptation of a stage musical, which is an absolute runaway hit, although everyone keeps saying to me, but you should have seen the stage musical. And I'm

just kind of ashamed that I didn't. Phil Hobden writing in as a long-term listener, a couple of times correspondent and big musical fan to report on the slightly clumsily titled Roll Diles Matilda. The music video, right? Which, and you're quite right, it is clumsy. After having been a fan of both the original Danny DeVito film and the more recent Tim Minch's stage show,

having seen it twice in London over the past few years. I was really excited to see this new Netflix adaptation. So did it deliver in a word? Yes. In more than a word, I found Matilda to be a brilliant, dark, funny, and charming film with some amazing central performances. Emma Thompson, Alicia Weir, who plays Matilda,

LaShana Lynch and both Stephen Graham himself and his teeth. Some of the catcher songs. I do think Stephen Graham looks, certainly in the posters, like his Noel Edmonds, which is a very disconcerting man. My favorite Stephen Graham moment in any movie is when he's playing Dick James in Rocketman. After they've written a song that's obviously going to be a hit, he goes, I'm going to have a massage. Anyway, so to conclude the thing from Phil, and some of the catchiest songs I've listened to in a while,

I'm still having revolting children. It's great. Two days out, as I remember. I've said totally, do you think about that email from Phil is, he's a fan of the musically seen the music twice and he... Yeah, and Phil was great. I should just say also, and I said this before,

on the subject of the classist issue, one of the reasons that Danny DeVito for I know which I still really, really love is that the class politics are different in the American version because it's America, it's a different thing. Now, our guest today is the fabulous Gary Oldman and he's here for a couple of reasons.

So we're gonna do two bits conversation with Gary, one in take one and the other in take two. And we're kind of talking around slow horses, his TV show, which is back for a second series. And also the 25th anniversary of Nill by mouth. All of these things will be discussed. We'll hear from Gary after this slow horses clip. I'll go by when I'm done here.

He look quite calm, though. Your brother. And that's how he would have wanted to go. He liked buses. It's not as I believe in a life force precisely. But I'm not positive. I don't believe in my... If you take my meaning. I'll...

I'll give you a moment. As a clip from the new series of Slow Horses, I am delighted to say... Gary Orman is back in the studio. Well, I say back, you haven't been in this studio before but it's very nice to see you again. How are you? I'm terrific.

Good to see you guys. Nice to see you. Thank you for having me. You got Jackson Lamb here. I also have Jackson Lamb, Belly. So, for anyone who hasn't called this is fantastic series in series two, Apple TV Plus. Explain Jackson Lamb then,

because he is quite an extraordinary character. Well, Jackson Lamb, yes, he is extraordinary from the imagination of Mick Heron, who is the author of the series of these books. I think there's almost, I think there's eight on nine of them now. It's out of really mix imagination and really as an actor, I have to do is just follow all the signposts. I mean a lot of the work there is done for me. is irassable, a serbic, flatulent, slavently, absolutely, definitely not PC by any stretch of the imagination. He's less PC in the books5 was a terrific agent in his day,

you know, sort of behind the wall, in the Burley and Cold War, all of that. And he runs this sort of offshoot of the main unit of M.I.5. I don't even know if a place like this exists. I would imagine it does. It's called Slauhaus because it's so far removed from the main hub of the MI5 that it might as well be in Slau. We just don't say anybody from Slau. A fine place win. I can't think no as per Terrific place. This is Please send your letters to Nick Karen

She's the phrase it might as well be slout is Meaning meaning it's in its distance and in miles and And that house is these Well losers he lovingly refers to them as losers, or rejects. In one of the books, someone says, over there you call them rejects. And he says, they don't like to be called rejects. And she says, what do you call them? And he says rejects. So he runs this place. And if you've misstepped for whatever reason, you could have a drug problem,

you could have an alcohol problem, you could have a gambling problem, you could mess up royally rather than fire you and go through litigation and all that, all the, they move you sideways, you sort of get demoted and you end up in hell, which is working for Jackson Lamb, who really in his own special way loves them all, you know, he cares for them, they're joes, they're his joes, but it comes from the sort of tough love. I think in the second series we're finding out more about why he is like this. What can you say prior to the second series going out about how has he become this person? Because you also increasingly get in the sense that he's a really sharp, astute spy underneath

all the... Oh, it's absolutely brilliant. It's like the smartest man in the room. Oh, yes. He's... Absolutely. So what's happened to get him like this? The morality in a way of the organization

that he works for, disenchantage with how it's run and collateral damage, backstabbing, lying, deceitful kind of wealth that you're in. And as you know from the end of season one, we realize that he has compromised and forced to kill. That's sort of the very beginning of it, where he's contact Charles Partner. He is at that time it was a

Joe in Berlin for Charles partner and they want to get rid of him and he's sort of compromised and put in the position of actually doing it himself and subsequently then holds a huge resentment against not only the organisation but also against David Cartwright who was his boss at that time. Then that appears that that's very much covered in the in the preceding books and episodes. Jack Loudon's character says to you, I think it's one of the early episodes in second series that you eat by a dying horse,

which is just one of those turns of phrase that you get used to because it's such a script is so, it's so fantastic. I mean Mark often says, it looks as though they've had a lot of fun making this film, which doesn't mean it's a lot of fun to watch, but I would imagine you've had a ball playing this character and being so obnoxious. It's fantastic.

It's fantastic. Well, you get to see Lam eating like a horse in the in Dead Lions. There's a scene where Jackson is in the in the Chinese restaurant underneath Slahouse and I have a scene with Jack Loudon who comes in and we have this scene and I'm eating noodles I had about 90 bowls of noodles that I was noodles out by the end he's not that he's not the character that would pick up food. So I kind of had to go for it, you know what I mean. So I've seen this one, Deadlines, and I think it's very strong, but it's wonderful.

And also, we touched on earlier before we went on air about, you know, Smiley, you know, there was a chance maybe that we were going to do smiley's people and that never happened. And you really get a chance, maybe if you're in a Marvel franchise or like the Batman series, you get a chance to repeat a role. But you rarely get a carriage like this, a repeat character in different situations and in different scenarios. And when this thing came my way, it was just the riding is fantastic. The character is the world that Mix created and Jackson Lamb is just in a major, just a delicious creation. And it really is a joy to play.

And it's a great cast. it's a great ensemble cast. Yeah, and Apple have treated us from the top down. They treated us incredibly well. So we're going to see if we can, I'm currently shooting real tigers, that's it, I'm shooting and then we come back in February to shoot Spook Street. So we'll be doing the fourth book, fourth series.

Is your first kind of long form television? I mean, you've appeared in TV shows before. Were you waiting for the right character, or does it make you wonder why you didn't do it before? I don't know. But about, really, I think I'm a fan of long form TV, and I do watch, I think some of the stuff that's streaming is just... What have you loved? Well I go back to, you know, a mindset, you know, those way back and I Claudius and, you know, all the ones that kind of, I guess, really pioneered it, started it all.

What have I watched recently, I just watched bad sisters, which I thought was fantastic, severance, I loved, the old man. We just were talking about the old man last week, which we really enjoyed. Yeah, with Jeff. So I watch a great deal of it, and I find that some of the really best acting, writing, directing, cinematography is on TV and was just hoping that something would come in. It was the right thing to do and this really kind of fell from the sky. This came in.

I couldn't believe my life. It sounds just that unless something amazing comes in, you'll be quite happy doing this for the next 10 years. Yeah, I mean, I just, I did one, recently did one day on Chris Nolan's Oppenheimer and he called me and I think more than anything, I was just flattered, he's remembered me. And he said,

You look quite significant, definitely, but it's been a while, you know, and he said, he said, would you come in and do this? And I said, yeah, sure. And that was, that really was fun to just go in for a day. But yeah, unless something really comes along, I'm happy to come back. I'm happy to play Jackson. I'm happy to play Jackson. I've been more than thrilled to play him for as long as they let me play him. Well, yeah. Now the other reason that you're here is it's the 25th anniversary of NIL by mouth.

Which is the astonishing astonishing and it's been remastered. Yes, it has. And it's been re-released. Mark, you go back to the very you and I, Gary... Yes, I interviewed you at Cannes when it played there and of course, you know, was fated in Cathy Burke, one best actress. And I remember very clearly, I remember, because it was in one of those stark hotel rooms, but you would never find yourself in it. It was in an interview situation. How does that film sit with you now? Because when you were talking about it at the time, you were talking about it as intensely personal, intensely autobiographical.

The thing I remember most was the phrase that you used was you said, it's a film about the thing that puts you in a pub at 11 o'clock in the morning, and you reference that one scene in which he's sitting on his own, and you said, that's what it's about. Is that still what it's about after all this time? I've lost my bra strap. Hang it over your shoulder. We always say Gary is rocking a pair of Dungarees. You know, we've only been these dogs. I've got his radio. It's Dungeries. Yeah, well, the BFI have come along and very, very kindly have done this 4K remaster,

where it probably would have not been for the BFI, it probably would have just languished in a cup of rustling in a few film cans, you know, in Do-art, or wherever the neg is kept. Well, God bless the BFI in general. Yeah, yeah. And so they've done me a wonderful favor, and they've come in, and they've remastered it for, and I guess in a way, upgraded it for the new technology. There's a DVD coming out, which they're working on, which thus far,

I've seen, you know, they've done a fabulous job on that. I mean, I had a hand in the remaster in terms of grading and color and all of that. I said, you can't make it too pretty because it was supposed to be, it's a practical thing in the first place. It's tough for us to hear. But I watched it the other night because I thought, you know what, I haven't seen it on a big screen really since and it'd be kind of interesting to watch it with an audience. And I was amazed, it's aged really well. It was about dysfunctional people stuck in these inappropriate relationships. It was about drugs and it was about alcohol amongst other things. And as far as I can see, I look around and I go,

well, we still have drug abuse, we still have alcoholism, we still have domestic abuse. So in that sense, it is as poignant to die as it was there. You cited Alan Clark before it's been a kind of key influence in your direction, is that still the case? Yeah, I mean, it's got a lot of influences, oddly enough, but Casabed is. And near realism, I'm fan of Rosalini and Pasalini and that and it was a conscious decision you'll see that there is no POVs, there are no wide or establishing shots. The camera doesn't go high, it doesn't go low as much as I'd like to play with all the

toys. It was a very sort of conscious decision to shoot it in a particular way. Were you ever going to set it in the 60s and 70s, which is more of your story, or was it always going to be a 90s movie? I always wanted it contemporary. There was only certain amount of money I could get for it. I put a lot of my own money in it at the time, which I'm still paying for it. which I'm still paying for it. And you're really still paying? Yeah, I mean really. Yeah, it was, I mean, it had a limited release.

And it had, you know, I think it ran for about five days in a life. I'm really happy. And I'm not surprised. It didn't surprise me that it didn't have any kind of longevity in America. But, yeah, I mean, Luke puts some money up. I knew it wouldn't be enough. And so I put this in. The rest was me, yeah. So look out for the newly remastered, re-released issue. Just one thing very quickly, clear Patrick, the 1960 Clear Patrick,

went into profit in 1984 as a result of the video release. So still paying for no-one else, it's about to wash its face. Thank you. Oh, God, that's chit-me-up. That's my car today, man. We're going to talk more with Gary Olman in take two, but for the moment, Gary, thank you very much.

Thank you. BELL RINGS He just has so much to talk about, and he's just fascinating on so many, so many, you can tell the difference between my voice then and my voice. And the list of questions that we got sent, thank you very much, we'll put them. Well, he's got, he's had such an extraordinary career that in that take to interview, it is just like, okay, how much of this, because the net is thrown so wide, and we do talk about things like,

they're like, what are you? But how interesting that he's still paying for No-Paymouth? I know, still paying for it. Although, as I said, I think that may well finish. So he talked about the DBD, it's a blue rate, it's a BFI blue rate is available on the fifth. Some people might have got to see the film

in the cinema and it is interesting about seeing it projected, what he was saying about seeing it with an audience. I remember so clearly seeing it in Cann intense and there are scenes in it which are so oppressive that you almost feel like I've got to get out, I've got to get out of him, but they they need to be. And what's remarkable is that, you know, this is him writing and directing and then, you know, not being followed by suddenly this writer director career, but him going back to being an incredibly successful actor because what you see here, I mean, he sites Casavetes and I was talking about Alan Clark and I should have mentioned it then, but when he says Casavetes, can

you just fill in the blank? So he means John Casavetes, who has a very kind of particular, quite often you will hear often independently spirited filmmakers will refer to John Casabetti's as a certain kind of texture of, and also neorealism, you know, it's a certain texture of making films that have the smack of reality. It's not just a documentary thing, it's more poetic than that, but it's to do with making things that you absolutely believe in the world and those characters.

And in the case of Neil Bymouth, you do. The performances are remarkable. I mean, just looking, if you look at the front cover of the Blu-ray, which was the post-rime, which is Ray Winston looking up, and you can't tell whether it's anguish or ecstasy or it's something overwhelming. Kathy Burke's performance is extraordinary. I mean, her character, the stuff that Kathy Burke's character goes through in the film is really, really harrowing.

She won the best actress award at Cannes, and she famously had to be blamed back to Cannes, because she left. She turned up at Cannes. She did the thing, you know, well, maybe she wasn't here. Anyway, she wasn't in Cannes. And Gary Almond, Ranger, said, you need to get on a plane because you're going to,

and her performance is astonishing, but it's such a confident bit of filmmaking, and it's so heartfelt and it's so tactile that it's just remarkable that what didn't then happen was that Gary Olman would become a, I mean obviously he's a, you know, very fine actor because, you know, working all the time doing that. And I also imagine partly that when you put so much heart and soul into something like Neil by mouth, you might not want to get straight back on the horse afterwards. But anyways, I said it's on Blu-ray, on the restore Blu-ray from Monday, and it is an extremely powerful piece of work. And Slow Horses, excuse me. And Slow Horses will be back on your television with a second series.

And clearly, because, as we said in the course of the interview, he's filming the third series. He was Jackson when he came in. I mean, he really did look like a slob. A slob in Dungeries. He's entitled to look like a slob in Dungeries. And Slow Hors Horse is one of those series which as he said, you know, it's one of those TV shows which makes you think an off-lot

of the the best directing and writing and performing is actually on television. It was fascinating I've ever went with when asked what he's loved. He came up with bright, steady, visited and I clapped his. I don't think that's what we were thinking. I think I was in the fourth form when I clapped his came out. I think that's the first piece of sort of, I remember watching it and then when watching the Tintoe Brosk, Caligula going, oh, I see. We should say that. So that's clearly a school joke which you're just repeating here. Well, the clapped his. I would, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's what they call it. It's like the fact that everyone called the Guardian the Groniad for years and then because they so famously had typos in the newspaper, which hasn't been true for a very long time. And I know this because I said

to somebody the Groniad the other day and they said, what? So these are jokes from, it's like a period drama. Exactly. It's a period drama of jokes. So there'll be more with Gary Oldman in Take Two, the ads in a minute mark, but first it's time, once again, to step into our laughter lift. It's quite a long time before the music starts. It's so labored. It's so labored. It's quite a long time before the music starts. It's so Labour. It's so Labour. Hey Mark, I'm not sure about you, but once you get to past 50, your feet really start to ache. Don't you find?

I never thought orthopedic shoes really would work for me, but I stand corrected. Do you find, as you get a little older Mark, that it's harder and harder to get the energy to get out of bed? Get a smile on your face like I used to and crack on with the day. Sometimes I wake up grumpy, but other times I let a have a lion. Now, was that, was that, was that you? Very good. Thanks. Thanks. Now you got me started. Mark, do you remember the good old days

when people weren't so hypocritical about everything? Seems like everyone these days is far too judgmental. I can tell just by looking at them. I can be... That joke actually kind of peaked with, it seems that everyone is far too judgmental. They get the kind of icons, and then mine. Hypercritical, not hypocritical, hypercritical.

Do you want to have another one at it weren't so hypocritical about everything? It seems like everyone these days is far too judgmental. I can tell just by looking at them. Shh. I think hypocritical was better. Do you actually, yeah? It didn't make sense. What are you gonna be doing?

I'm going to be reviewing Tori and Vakita and also something else. It's on the page. I haven't got the page. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Back after this, unless you're a Vanguard Eastern, in which case your service will not be interrupted. Violent night.

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So most of the excitement was on my part, but it was a thrill, nonetheless. That must be tough, if you're really into philosophy, but nobody else is. Anyway, I've always appreciated how you don't shy away from difficult topics of conversation on your show, especially Mark, sharing his own experience working with anxiety and seeking professional support

to help without journey. In the 10 years or so since suffering a serious mental health issue myself, I've noticed a steady rise in the frequency that people discuss these type of health issues and crucially how they learn to overcome them. I think it's public figures like yourselves who have helped normalize this discussion and create a more open environment for people to share their struggles, hopefully increasing the chances that they can access the support they need to stay mentally healthy. If ever there was a definition of the genuine value this show provides,

and remember it's 47, I would start by acknowledging the positive impact that you've had on raising awareness around mental health and role modeling, how to have an open discussion about the struggles we all face in our lives. Mark may also be interested to know that Stoic philosophy, capital S, capital B, was instrumental in the development of cognitive behavioral therapy, especially the insight that our experience of the world is shaped by the beliefs we hold which make them a fertile ground for trying to improve our quality of life. This affirms for me a principle all of the best philosophers share that wisdom

is defined by the impact it has on our lives and not by the label by which it is offered. Or to put it more simply, good advice is good advice regardless of who gives it. Take a deep tongue off, fruit and thanks for all the good work you do from Dan Evans. Thank you. Well, thank you. I mean, I'm not to sort of pour water on that. I'm not, I'm not sure that we're responsible for improving anything at all. I think that I think that sort of sea change happened before us. I was remarking to somebody the other day that I do think, I think this is probably a very crass point, but I do think that when you're at the point

in which young royals are discussing mental health issues, I think it actually, that something has changed fundamentally. And I think it is, it is better. I mean, I've never been embarrassed about talking about the fact that I've struggled with anxiety issues all my life. But I don't think I think that other people should take the credit for that stuff. It's very kind of you to say it. But I don't think you're influenced by the young royals. No, I'm saying that oddly enough,

it did strike me. I remember hearing the young royals talking about and thinking, wow, I think that is indicative of something. And you know, I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination, but I just thought, oh, well, that, you know, that's an interesting thing. There we go. What's the reason we do quit the Queen Mother more than the time? Any other podcast in the world that phrase that the definition of intelligence is the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in the same head at the same time. Is that something? Is that something?

It's the thing. I don't remember who said it. Now, actually now having said it out loud, it'll probably sound like to be somebody quite terrible. Or, or, or, or parker. Or parker. Or parker said it. If ever there's any doubt about where something comes from, it's or parker, or parker,

particularly if it's wise or entertaining. Okay. Correspondence at Kermitamere.com. Or Parker, particularly if it's wise or entertaining. Okay, correspondence at comanameo.com. F-scot Fitzgerald said it. In that case, I'm very proud to have quoted F-scot Fitzgerald who wrote my favorite novel of all time. Correspondence at comanameo.com should you wish to get involved. What else is out that we might be interested in?

Tori and the Keter, which is the new film by Jean-Pierre and Luke Dodden. If you are a can regular, the Darden brothers have had the most extraordinary run of success at can, two palm doors for Rosetta and long-final child, best screenplay ward for silence of lawner, which is also sometimes referred to as lawner's silence confusingly. Grand jury prize for Cuba the bike, best director on us for young armoured. So Grand jury prize for Kimber the bike, best director on us for Young Armored. So, this is their most recent feature which played it can in May and it got the special 75th anniversary festival prize. So, yet, I mean, if they have a shelf upon which their

trophies rest, they're going to need an extension. Stars, newcomers, publishers and Jolly Mbundu, who are the titular pair, they are a young boy in a teenage girl from Africa attempting to make a new life in Belgium. And when we first meet Lakita, we meet her in an interview with an immigration officer who is off screen. And she is answering questions about where she's come from and she's, you realize that what she's trying to do is to explain that Tori is her younger brother. And she says, when my mother died, my uncle said

it was my brother's fault, that he still had a sorcerer's powers and had to be killed. We hid and then we left. And they said, no, but that's not you. You met him at a school, you met him at an orphanage. This is the story doesn't match up. And you start to realize that what she's doing is she's making a case that her and Tori

are brother and sister because he's an endangered child. And this will affect her residency status. And the story has holes in it, but there is a central truth at the core of it, which is that they are bonded, they are absolutely bonded, you know, as if by blood. And what the film is about is about that bond between them as they find themselves in a world which is hostile, in which they are having to work as drug mules for somebody working in a local restaurant in which they have the people's smugglers who, to whom they owe money, after them for money, in which the two of them are basically, it's like a kind of, there's almost a fairy tale element to it, which actually,

I think we've seen before in the Dodend Brothers films, in which they are trying to survive in intolerable circumstances. And there is a moment in the film in which we see them singing, karaoke singing, in this restaurant that we then discover is the place where they are being sent out to do the drug deals from. And it's quite extraordinary scene. We go to see it as is our usual thing. It's a subtitle scene. So if you're listening, you're not seeing any of the pictures. Essentially, what's happening is that they are, They are... Well, they're doing karaoke singing. And she says, this is a song, it's an Italian song. We learnt this in Sicily. Here we go.

So, now, with my friend, we're going to sing a Italian song. She's very... She's very beautiful. When we arrived in Sicily, there was a woman, Paola, who came to see us in our room and she brought us a song from the house. et nous avons appris une chanson de chisels. It continues in that, Vade. I subtle fade that one. Yeah, she's got a great voice.

I know, and I think that seems really affecting, not least, because the Dardenes don't use non-digetic music in their films. Just remind me. The incidental music. They don't have, you know, music saying this is, ah, music saying this is scary, it's only, so that moment of song in the film is actually very profound. And I think again, I mentioned that thing before about there is a fairy tale element, not only in the story that she tells about the backstory of Tory, but also in that it's not just near realism that we were

talking about before in relation to what Gary Oldman was saying, but there is something else, there is a kind of poetic element to it. What then happens for the rest of the film is that we see them struggling against these very, very dark forces and struggling to survive. But at the core of it is their bond. And there is a statement by the Dodd-Ensang that the film is a film of about an unfailing friendship. And that it unwittingly became quote, a denunciation of the violent and unjust situation experience by these young people in exile in our country, in Europe. And the key thing about that is that it's political in the most personal sense, that the political backdrop, the geopolitical backdrop, the plight of migrants and the plight of young people in this incredibly hostile world

is obviously what forms the basis of the story. But the story is actually primarily about the two of them and about the relationship between them and about how much you believe in their characters and you believe that they are bonded. It then, and I know some people have found this difficult, in its third act, it starts taking elements from the thriller or the suspense genre

and the third act is unbearably tense. And I won't say why or explain anything about it because I'd like people to discover the film for themselves because actually one of the things about it is that when it starts to move into slightly different areas, it's surprising, but I completely went with it. I had no problem with it at all because I thought everything still felt grounded in reality. And the reason I did was because as long I thought everything still felt grounded in reality. And the reason I did was because as long as those two and their relationship was at the center of it, it felt 100% real and utterly unexploitative,

absolutely empathetic. And again, this brings us back to the Roger E. but maximum about cinema being a machine for creating empathy. I know it's not considered by many Darden enthusiasts to be one of their finest films, but I thought it was very powerful and I thought the performances were great and that that same when they sing, I find it really touching. I think there's something really really moving

about it. And then in its third act, it's utterly gruelling and yet it didn't lose the reality for me at all. The beginning of that review, you said, if you're a can regular. Yes, I know, which is obviously. I'm just wondering how many, I mean, just be interested to, if you, if indeed you do go to can.

Which I don't, but you, I did, you used to. So there's a particular crowd who would be familiar with this work. I mean, it's, you know, somebody says critics favorite or festival favorites. That's what he meant. And often that is used incident is a derogatory term. So, you know, Alan Frank used to say festival favorite

which meant, and nobody else. But then Alan Frank also did that thing about, he went through this thing about what film critics say and what they mean. And it was very funny, which was Moody Monochrome means black and white, glorious technique, color, means color, fluid camera work, the camera man was drunk, festival favorite,

but nowhere else. Excellent. That sounds pretty good. Okay, time for what's on. This is where you email us a little bit of a voice note about your festival or special screening that you have from wherever you are in the world. Send it to correspondentsacerminamau.com. Here are this week's correspondents. Hi, Simon and Mark, MedFest is an annual

international film festival that focuses on films with a connection to psychiatry and the mind. This year's theme is connection with the self, connection with reality and connection with others. Events are being held across the UK universities and there's also an event at a lade check MedFest.co.uk to find out where your local screenings are. Hi, Mark and Simon. This is Freya from Environmental Film Festival, Australia. We're inviting everyone to join us in NAM, also known as Melbourne, on Saturday the 10th of December at Ackmey, for F.A.P.S. sovereign cinema, a one-day cinema event celebrating indigenous perspectives on climate, ecology, culture and custodianship. Listeners can get 25% off with the code EFFA25,

and we hope to see you there. Thanks, bye. Hi, Simon and Mark. This is Ginta Gervan, founding director of 16 Days 16 Films, which is a short film initiative for female filmmakers, and inspired by the UN Women's Global Campaign 16 Days of Activism against gender-based violence. I just wanted to tell everyone to visit 16 days, 16 films online now to watch these amazing

and important films. Thank you. So there we had Ali Gibson from MedFest, Freya Gillard, the co-director of the Environmental Film Festival in Australia, and Gintagalvan from 16 days, 16 films. The trouble is with this feature, which I love very much, is that I want to go to all of them. I know. And then they go in Australia and you go, oh.

But maybe if we were going to do this properly, then the Chief Red actor would finance a little trip to all of these festivals. I'd love to do that. This is, incidentally some, this was your best idea. And it was your idea, wasn't it? Yeah, if this was the best idea you've ever had. Yeah, but that means he doesn't like any of the others.

No, I know. Anyway, that wasn't intended as a backhandy compliment. I do. I love that feature. Anyway, you can... No, let's not. He's just a bring back. Do you remember algorithms going to get you?

Good time was hard work. He's read the time was really good. Exactly. He was, you know, what was it? Elvis Costello once said about bodice. He is in danger of coming up with a title and then forgetting to write a song to go with it. Yeah. Well, that was before he was in danger of being the biggest arse on the planet. But you're talking to the person who invented a feature for his radio one show called Visible Panto Line. Just because I thought it was a good idea, then I forgot to think of really what it would involve. But anyway, if you have an audio trailer for us, Senator, it was about 20 seconds.

You just heard from Ali, Freya and Gintu, precisely how to do it. Senator Correspondence at Coenemab.com. Okay. What else do we put out? Violent night, which is a seasonal black comedy horror from just because you like to know we've got three minutes. Okay, Norwegian director Tommy Wakola, who made Dead Snow, David Harbourist Santa Claus, who we first meet getting drunk in Bristol

on a Christmas Eve. No one gets drunk in Bristol. No, vomiting out of his sleigh, so a bit bad Santa. Then he moves to the house of the horribly wealthy light-stone family, which is ruled over by Gertrude, Beverly D'Angelo, who's with squabbling daughter and son, the latter of whom was broken up with his wife to the heartbreak of their daughter Trude,

played by Leah Brady. Then John Lekwitz-Armo turns up with a machine gun, calling himself Mr. Screw, which is basically Hans Gruber, but without the charm. So it's gone from being a bit bad Santa to a bit die hard. They then hold the family hostage, but Gertrude, who has seen home alone, has also got a walkie-talkie in which she can talk to Santa here's a clip.

Hello? Santa? Yeah, Santa? Daddy said he will be very busy tonight. I want it, right? Who am I speaking? We're very busy tonight. I'm on it, right? Who am I speaking? My newest treaty life's so...

You're even very good this year. I'm in a big room with all my relatives. There's two bad men with guns watching us. Are they against you out of there? Take those bad guys on my naughty list? We'll take the lump of coal. I mean, come on, Trey, we want to keep on the...nice list, you know. Sorry, can I say butthole then? I mean, that's basically where we are. Okay, so it's bad Santa is home alone in die hard

with a bit of black Christmas and a bit of silent night, deadly night and a bit of crampus and all the other stuff. I mean, what it lacks in originality, it kind of makes up for in gore, although it's this is 15 certificate fair. Bbfc says, scenes of violence include highlights, shooting stabbing, slashing, using use of improvised weapons, including Christmas ornaments, ice skates, a sledgehammer, and people offending to a wood ship.

Right. Okay. So it's that movie. Right. It's exactly the movie that you think it is. And it's exactly the movies that whilst you're watching it, you think, I mean, the problem with this is, don't ever invoke diehard because diehard is like the, is the, is the fairy on the top of the Christmas tree and anything else is way below. So it's, you know, it's completely forgettable, but it's not, there is obviously, when you get to this

time of year, there's a certain pleasure in the kind of bad Santa grumpy, grouchy, hitting people with a hammer as opposed to the other stuff. So it's fine. I mean, I kind of bad center, grumpy, grouchy, hitting people with a hammer as opposed to the other stuff. So it's fine. I mean, I kind of enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Heck, I've a lot more than I enjoyed white noise. And that's the end of take one. Production management general all round stuff was Lily Hamley, camera's Teddy Riley. Videos on our mighty fun YouTube channel by Ryan Omira. Studio engineer Josh Gibbs, Flynn Rodham is the assistant producer, guest researcher, Sophie Evan. Hannah Tulpit is the producer, Simon Paul is the red actor, Mark, what is your film of the week? Tori and LeKita. Next week,

our guest, rather surprisingly I think, is going to be Jerry Brookheimer. Yes, Mr. Brookheimer on this show. Thank you for listening. Our extra takes with a bonus review, bunch of recommendations, and even more stuff about the movies and cinema adjacent television available on Monday. recommendations and even more stuff about the movies and cinema adjacent television available on Monday.