Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Harris Dickinson, Triangle of Sadness, The Wonder, Bros, Barbarian

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

This week Simon speaks to rising British star Harris Dickinson about his role as a male model in ‘Triangle of Sadness’. Mark reviews new horror film ‘Barbarian’ - starring Bill Skarsgård, Justin Long, and Georgina Campbell, Sebastián Lelio’s psychological thriller ‘The Wonder’- where Florence Pugh is sent to watch a girl who miraculously lives healthily without eating, new rom com ‘Bros’ - about neurotic podcaster Bobby who’s world is turned upside down when he meets Aron, and ‘Triangle of Sadness’ the outrageous new satirical comedy about a group of wealthy people meeting on a luxury cruise. Plus your correspondence, The World Cup Final of horror films draw, What’s On and the Box Office 10. You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media: @KermodeandMayo Buy tickets to our Halloween Live Special at the Indigo at the O2 on October 31st at www.kermodeandmayo.com/live EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! A Somethin’ Else & Sony Music Entertainment production.   Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts   To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm a bad joke for people old enough to remember. I sense the mob killed off that I really liked that and he said you're an idiot, Mayo, because he said it was the worst track on the album. She's so modern, is the worst track on the album? I think it's great. Is that off tonic for the truth? Here's the thing you don't argue with Sabot.

With Sabot? It says you're an idiot. You have a... I absolutely have a... I'm ever so sorry. Sorry, is that off tonic for the troops? Yes, I can't remember, probably. Which is the one which has got the weird picture of them all standing in a...

I must be, he's a line from... That's not. And actually it's a tonic for the troops. No, no, no, no, no, no. And then he's got his hand down and for some reason there's a stuffed lion and he's looking a bit confused as to what, and I'm always wondered how that design came.

Somebody said, here's the thing, guys, I've got an idea, you're all standing in a line, except for Bob who appears to be fondling a stuffed lion. Why not? It was punk. You know? Was it though? Anyway, last week we started the show with these words.

As we're speaking, well I say, as we're speaking, Liz Truss is still Prime Minister. By the time you get this, who knows? May well have appointed someone else and that person has collapsed as well. And I sent you a text which said, you know that joke you made about Liz Truss not being a Prime Minister by the time the podcast drops. It's not funny anymore. But just in case I have the gift of prophecy, I'm predicting that by the time you get this, we'll still have the same Prime Minister, it'll still be Mr. Sunak, and not as Joe Biden's head Sonic, or something like that.

Is that what it calls his Sonic or something like the Prime Minister? Yeah, Mr. Biden sadly got the name of our Prime Minister wrong, but anyway. So anyway, so that's my prediction. Yeah. Well, I mean, in other news, Jacob really smug has finally been sent back to whichever. The haunted Victorian pencil. The haunted Victorian pencil. Before we turn into... Fowl, foul, foul, manny.

The news agents. Let's remind everyone about next week's Halloween live show. Apparently we saw... We're done a live show on Halloween. Yeah. Now just repeat what we said last week. Halloween is Monday. Monday. You can have plans on the Saturday. Yes. You can have plans on the Sunday. But what this great thing is, it's a factually Halloween. On Halloween, it means that you don't have to be in answering the door all the time to people coming round. No.

You can leave a nice thing on the doorstep, you know, with a packet of toffee or something. You can say, dear local terrorists, we have- We are out. We've left. We've gone to the old trees. Here is a tin of sweets down in London. Knock yourself out. So a reminder that if you're lucky to get a ticket because they are selling out as long

as the technology is helping us. You're here Mark reviewing things live in the flesh. Live in the flesh. Which I can tell you for free is a site to behold. We'll be joined by real in-person guests including director Lena Dunham and a musician husband Louis Felbert. Louis. I mean, Louis, that's right.

I'll get that right when I'm looking at him face to face. Which means we're going to be serenaded with live music on stage, which I don't think we'll be able to put on the podcast because it costs too much money, basically, as far as rights are concerned. I'm bringing more ukulele, but you can't put that in either. Well, if I place something that I wrote, I can't. Oh, that's okay. I suppose. Yeah, I'm going to write something, especially for that.

I'm going to play on the ukulele, on the dobro ukulele, which is put it, they're not even listening. If that wasn't enough, BAFTA winning actor Amy Lou Wood is going to be with us. And that's where you say you're forgetting the World Cup of horror by Baby Pardon. Let me get to that bit. I've been on page seven for most of the shows. Hang on, okay. Leave all this in.

You're forgetting the World Cup of Horror. Final. Yes. Let me just, in. You're forgetting the World Cup of Horror. Final. Yes, let me just again, you're forget. I mean, never work with critics and animals. You're forgetting the World Cup of Horror Final. I was coming to that. Yes, the World Cup of Horror Final is gonna take place. Plus Mark will be announcing the least scary horror film

of all time as voted for by you. Please email curbadamer.com and you should expect a few ghoulish surprises. Mark reacts. Oh, I tell you the best ghoulish surprise is, we are cosplaying. Well, I'm not quite sure. You are. Well, you are. Oh, where the, we got merch. We got some kind of amount of t-shirts. I'm cosplaying. I'm coming full, I'm coming full horror character. Right. What horror character you can't tell you? I don't know. I don't like dressing up very much. So anyway, but please feel free. You won't be denied access. I don't suppose.

I know at least two people who are coming in cosplay. I've almost certainly told this before, but it doesn't matter. Mark, I just just told you about cosplay. Mark Hamill tells the story. In fact, I've only interviewed Mark Hamill once, which I think was for Radio One, for a Star Wars reissue on videotape

or something like that. I'm gonna be able to tell you tape. It might have been a 78 RPM diss. He was talking about playing... He was playing the Supersea, theede the wax cylinder that was previously available. His dread of always being Luke Skywalker and how he was playing the elephant man of Broadway. And when he went out on stage on the front row, there was someone dressed as R2D2, someone dressed as C3PO and someone dressed as Darth Vader.

And his heart absolutely sank. You think, first of all, who let these guys in the dress like that? But also he's trying not to be. But there's a story, isn't there, that David Tennant did Hamlet, and he went out on the stage at whatever it was, and there was somebody in the audience dressed as a dolloc. Yeah, I mean, it's not good.

It's not, I mean. Anyway, so don't forget, the Indigo, the O2 in London, Halloween night itself, it's Monday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, October, it's nothing to do with the weekend. It's on the Monday. No one has anything interesting to do on a Monday night in October. But they do know.

So by the time this episode comes out, it's in three days time or fewer. Kermitamau.com. What's coming up on the show today, Mark? I'm going to be reviewing a Bros. Not Bros. No, I know. We all thought the same thing.

There's a movie that's at BROS. We all thought it's another movie about Ross. Why do we need that? Because we've already got the first one. Barbarian, which is a squishy horror movie, The Wonder, which I'm very excited to talk about, and Triangle of Sadness, which brings us to a very special guest.

Yes, who is Harris Dickinson, one of the stars of that movie, and as if that wasn't enough, on Monday, for the Vanguard Easter. Deeper into the world of film and film adjacent television with another extra take. You've got a bonus review this time, it is. Wendell and Wild, which is on Netflix.

You'll also be expanding your viewing in our Feature One Frame back, inspired by Barbarian. We want your unwanted guest movies. I don't like unwanted guest movies very much. I have to say. Can I just ask, have I yet become an unwanted guest? Never. Last night, not only did I turn up,

but you have, at the appointed hour of 9.30, and you have to admit, I'm regular. Yes. I turn up at 9.30, I have a cup of tea, and then I, last night I turned up with child one, which was delightful. Yeah. You also had a Bendix bitumen, which is also fine. I did. The bent,

is that still the same box of Bendix bitumen, which is also fine. I did. The bend, is that still the same box of Bendix bitumen? I was three down. I did think, wow, they're great in this family because that box of chocolate was going to last in five seconds in my head. And in taking it away, you decide our word and mouth on a podcast feature, Mark, we'll be talking about. Oh, oh, can we not call it? It's to that. Okay, we'll be talking about the smash global hit, errrr. Correspondence at Kermitomeo.com, if you'd like to tell us about elite streaming stuff that we might have missed.

And as if that is not even enough, a new feature continues on Take Three this week. It's called questions, Schmessions. The film ones are questions, the non-film ones are Schmessions, correspondence at cummer.com if you want to help us out on that. So if all that sounds right up your nightmare alley then please do sign up for our premium value extra takes through Apple Podcasts. We'll be personally disappointed if you don't. If you prefer a different platform you said extra takes.com and if you're already a Vanguardista as always we salute you but not in the way

you know you were about to die because we wouldn't salute you then although we'd be grateful if you listen. Simon and thanks for clearing that up. Thank you I think I helped. Mike says concerning your recent discussion of corduroy I thought it'd be timely to share that. corduroy which turns out it's not code of the king. It's not. And's not. There's not a day that's gone by since we recorded the previous broadcast that that hasn't bothered me. I know, it's upsetting when the kind of foundations of your world crumble.

I know. I apologize. But sometimes the truth hurts. When two of my friends became a couple many years ago, the female half of said couple visited her new boyfriend's house and spotted a small and strangely shaped corduroy cushion.

On the sofa, it turned out that this cushion was used by her new boyfriend's mother as support for her lower back. When my friend asked in relation to the purpose of these strangely shaped cushion, what's that? Her boyfriend's mother misunderstood the inquiry to be her asking what material the cushion was made of, and she replied, it's cordroy,

to which my confused friend said, why is it called Roy? It's called Roy. The cushion has been affectionately known as Roy. Roy, ever since. Pass me a Roy, will you? Oh, my back hurts. Yes, I'm listening to Take Two, whilst I write this.

Am I understanding of why Peter Sellers had Glenn Miller, it's just what we're talking about last week. Bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap-bap way through. I think that's essentially right. I knew that Peter Sellers hated it. So the chances are that all of the goons did hate the same piece of it. Does then go into ba ba ba da da da da da da da da da da. That's just the beginning that you're singing. Kadeja says, Mark and Simon, as a medium term list, the second time email, last week my department went on our very first away day since COVID. Many members of our department joined during the pandemic myself included an away day. What a terrible thought. Was that a team building thing? Yes, this was the first time most of us were meeting face-to-face, so I suppose it's fair enough, as we are based across

two different offices and things kicked off with a classic team building ice break. Sorry, throwing a cushion around and saying, when you catch the cushion you have to say one interesting thing about yourself. It's called Roy. Anyway, we played. Our icebreaker was called human bingo. Okay.

For those who aren't familiar with human bingo, everyone gets a sheet of paper containing rows of boxes. In each box there is a fact or characteristic such as owns more than five house plants or sings in a choir. The aim of the game is to cross off as many boxes than five house plants or sings in a choir. The aim of the game is to cross off as many boxes as possible by finding a person in the room for whom each fact is true. And right, you think that you were just ashamed by looking at them that they own more than five houses?

No, I think you go up and talk to them. Oh, I see if I'm right, man. And you write their name in the corresponding box. The first person to cross off a row of boxes shouts bingo. The idea being that everyone mingles and gets to know a bit more about each other. As somebody who facilitates workshops and training sessions for a living, the prospect of such an activity was surprisingly excruciating. No, not surprisingly excruciating. It's not surprising at all. Imagine my pleasant surprise then when I turned to my colleague, I'd been sitting next to and told her to take a pick of boxes from my sheet,

nodding at the box that contained listens to a podcast. She said, when I turned to my colleague, I'd been sitting next to and told her to take a pick of boxes from my sheet. Notting at the box that contained listens to a podcast, she said, I'm a fan of Whittetainment, the W word. The room was rather noisy from all of the mingling and having never met a fellow Whittetainy in the wild, I was worried I'd miss her. As in Simon Maywen Markhamard. Yes. Well, we got no...

Well, that's it for... We got no prizes for Human Bingo, but we spent a good while chatting with each other about the show, Tengady Tonking and so on, which surely was the entire point of the game. Exactly. So, thank you for making corporate icebreakers bearable and a special shout out to Fran in Combs, who I know will be listening. Sorry. Hello, Fran in Combs.

The thing that reminded me to send this email was having just watched the worst person in the world. It evoked previous discussions on the show about getting from a film what you bring to it. It's very good. As a 27-year-old woman, says Kadija, Julie's experiences and the way she relates to the world around her in the film felt incredibly close to home. I found it truly hypnotic and moving and it secured itself as one of the best films I've seen all year. Take it easy, Tonga, up with Finding Fellow Winter Tainees in unexpected places. How liberating to say the W word again in these conditions. It was a time when people would have been boy.

I know, yes. But that's what it is. If you would like to correspond, it is correspondentscurbidomew.com. Meanwhile, there are films out. Tell us about a nice big, juicy, 18th-stove. Well, Halloween is on the way, so, you know, we're kind of slightly spoilt for choice with horror at the moment. We had Smiley and Cinemas just recently. Now, Barbarian rated 18, I love the BBSC,

for Strong Bloody Violence, Gore and Horror. And basically, that's all they need to put on the poster, isn't it? It's Halloween. Here's a film which has strong bloody violence, Gore and Horror. So this is Dr. Bozak Kregger and Georgina Kamalcal's test. She arrives at an Airbnb in Detroit, in the neighborhood of Brightmore.

She arrives in the middle of the night. She's there. She's got a job interview with a documentary filmmaker. She gets the Airbnb, which is just a house in this neighborhood, which turns out to be not a great neighborhood. The key is not in the key safe. We get a lot of Halloween style camera crawling round a wood-slatted house, so I think the beginning very definitely votes Halloween. Then the door opens. Is somebody already in the Airbnb and it's Bill Skarskard and

channeling Norman Bates in Psycho doing the kind of, you know, I'll actually he'll turn out to be more Janet Lee, but that's another thing. It seems that they have both booked the same Airbnb through separate websites. You know, if you tried to buy tickets for our Halloween thing from the wrong website, sell that out. Yeah. So, you know, what are they going to do? He says, look, you know, you better come in. She's obviously on, because she doesn't know him. And he says, what do I look like some kind of monster? To which anyone who's seen it will go, yeah, almost.

You literally looked like the guy who hid in the drain. But he seems nice. He gives her the bed. He takes the sheets to do the cleaning, while she goes off to have a bath. She comes out of the bath. He's there waiting at the table, his clip. The laundry's still in wash, but I thought,

well, I'm wide awake. So I was going to be a bit nut. I thought I'm going to have some of this here wine. But I didn't want to open it before you got out of the shower because I know so you'd drink your tea and Well, I totally get that by the way. I mean you don't know me and this is a really weird situation. It makes total sense but I thought that You know you might want some of this but if I open it while you weren't here that I'm I'm sorry. I'm rambling Jesus Christ

I thought you wouldn't want any if you didn't see me open it. So how are we, did I'm good? Wrong answer, wrong answer. I mean, I haven't seen the film. Leave, just leave that. Okay, so one of the things that I like about the film is that it does exactly what you've just done is it kind of sets up, you know, okay, I think.

Then something else happens, which I won't spoil because... Space shit. Space shit. Space shit, man. Anyway, the story then bifurcates. We now move to an L.A. where an actor played by Justin Long in a role that was originally in Mark for Zac Efron apparently, finds out that he's lost his latest gig after being

accused of sexual assault. He's running out of money because he can't work. His finance says you need to find an alternate wealth management, which means go away. Turns out he owns the house in Detroit. So he goes back to the house in Detroit. We also get flashbacks to the neighborhood back in the Reagan era when the neighborhood was actually kind of all picket fence. You know, all looked really lovely.

Everything was nicely painted. But somebody says we're moving out because the neighborhood's in the Reagan era. When the neighborhood was actually kind of all picket fence, you know, all looked really lovely, everything was nicely painted, but somebody says we're moving out because the neighborhood's going to hell. So then all these stories start to converge. I think what I like about the film, apart from the fact that it's well-made and it's witty and it's got some sort of nice scares and it's got strong, gory, bloody horror,

is that it does a lot of playing with your expectations. It does a lot of discussing and then playing with and then flipping gender roles. I mentioned that there's that nod to Halloween at the beginning. There's also another shot which is a you know a low Dutch angle upper, upper staircase with somebody standing at the top which is seemed to me to be very clearly a nod to step farther. There's a very good gag about measuring the size of a house for retail purposes in the middle of a horror scene. It's got very smart iconic use of pop tunes, but a great squishy score by Anna Drew, bit to Anna Drew, bit D-I-U-B-I-C-H, who's a great composer, these kind of thumping,

electro-based notes during moments of growing, prowling tension. I really enjoyed it. It played at fright fest and it was a real crowd pleaser and it's very easy to see why and I will predict that it's going to turn out to be exactly the same for the Halloween multiplex, Friday afternoon, Friday evening market, which is great. But not on Monday. Not on Monday. No. I would predict that on Monday it's going to sell zero tickets.

Cinemas will be deserted. We'll be just deserted as everyone's going to see it. Anyway, barbarian. Certificate 18 for strong bloody violence, go horror to which you can also add wit and some nice squishy moments. Still to come. I have to go back to the script now. Hang on.

Still to come, oh, poo. One week. Hang on. No, I know no, no, no, no, no, no. One week, what? I'll get it right. Yeah. Got it. I'll be reviewing the wonder triangle of sadness and bros. Excellent. Look forward to that. And you can hear my chat with Harris Dickinson's star of triangle of sadness. Time for the ads. Unless you're in the Vanguard, in which case we'll be back before you can say Tony Iboa. Hi, esteem podcast listeners, Simon Mayo. I'm Mark Kermot here. I'm excited to let you know that the new season of the Crown and the Crown, the official podcast returns on 16th of November to accompany the sixth and final season of the Netflix epic

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So the larger gentlemen. Some of us are, I mean, you're the... Well, large equals medium, medium equals really small, skinny fit, you know, that kind of thing. Or a sore Rosenberg said about popcorn and American cinemas. Small is large, medium is incredibly large, and large is where do I pop my trailer? Exactly.

This is just some comments before we do the box office, top 10, Larry Lackman. This is on matriarch. Oh yes. Kate Dickie's always great. Check out Outcast, another horror from over 10 years ago. Great cast, Grungy Weird, Cittified. Is that a word folk horror?

C-I-T-I fired horror. Okay, I mean, so folk horror in a city. Okay, I just haven't seen a word Cittified. No, no, I haven't either. I was just doing, could be open to misinterpretation. Memorandum, of course, says, if I was a director, I'd put Kate Dickie and everything. Yes. I mean, that might be slightly exhausting for Miss Dickie.

She's got real stamina. I mean, she did a play once early on in her career in which, for the entire duration of the play, she was on a treadmill. I think the play was called the running girl or something like that. And the whole point was the whole play takes place with her running on a treadmill for the whole play. Find me another actor that could do that. So box office top 10 at 13 Emily, windswept bleak soundscape music plays. Number 10, Mrs Harris goes to Paris, cheerful French music plays. Yeah, well that's fine, that's almost the review. Number 9 in the UK number 8 in America, don't worry, darling, confusing, heard it before music.

I was thinking to say the theme from the Stefford Wives plays. That would also work. It's got Florence Peer in it who will be speaking about later on in relation to the wonder Number six in America, but number eight here the woman king rousing aggressive music plays You do this all the way through. Well everything I watch now has subtitles and it always says You know, oh, we see that's where that comes from okay, fine. Disconcerting worrying music plays Omelus off screen rock. Yes, happens. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried.

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I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried. I'm a, director, cinematography, so on. I was disappointed that for this film there wasn't a higher and bigger listing for fight coordinator. These scenes were visceral and extraordinarily complex. Yes, yes, yes. And the people organising them deserve a higher credit. Very good. Take a look down with racist, cherry-picking history and a vain attempt to make themselves bigger members of society. I love that email. Who's that from? Simon in Leon C. Very good. Thank you Simon. My new best friend. Number seven here. Number four in America. Ticket to Paradise.

Mellow Wall and reassuring music plays. I do not know me to say anything. That's the review. Number six here. We're going to do here. 14 in America. Decision to leave. Go on music. Tensive, occative, decision to leave. Go on, music. Tense, evocative music plays. Yeah, also slightly, you know, Hermannesch Hitchcock to kind of give you a little sense of that. It's really interesting how much people

who love decision to leave really love it. I don't think it's part best work. I think that the handmade and it still has more kind of emotional consistency. And as I said before, I do have a hand-caring for things like old boy, but it's so beautifully directed. I mean, it is a really masterful piece of direction. Number five in the UK, Halloween ends, stabby stabby music plays. It's interesting that it's gone down so, so far, that in its second week it's at number five. By the time we get, you know, to next week it's going to be like,

A, it's a stinker. Number four here, number three in America is smile. Okay, and again, this is fascinating. Smile in its fourth week is one position above Halloween ends in its fifth, in its second week. And that tells you everything you need to know. A small punchy horror movie has massively outperformed the apparent franchise ender of one of the biggest horror

franchises of recent memory. Number three in the UK, number five in America, La La Crocodile, disappointing quirky music plays. On the money. Okay, there you go. And number two in the UK, and number 18 in America, banshees of Inishare. Now before you go any further, which music would you say plays? Surprisingly Bulgarian music. Surprisingly Bulgarian music, well done. But surprising Bulgarian sounding a little bit Irish, if you don't understand Gaelic. Yes.

And as Martin with Donna says, it sounds as though it could be Irish, and so therefore. It is actually, I would like to... I would like to... ...do a Wa-Balgao. Yeah, I would like to know from linguists, if there is a historical link between Gaelic

and other languages around the world. Of course. Because musically, I think there is a historical link between Gaelic and other languages around the world. Because musically, I think there is a connection between traditional Irish music and music of central Europe and places like that. So I don't know enough about linguistics, linguistics to know whether there's any connection, but I'm sure they'll get that. This weekend I am going to Belfast,

where my very good friend Paul, who is a professor of linguistics, I will set exactly that question to him and here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to voice note his answer. Okay, that's very good. So it might just be that it's the musical arrangement which makes it sound as that could be Irish, but also I'm just interested in language. So on the subject of banshees, Dylan Manson, who's an orcadian in Los Angeles, okay?

So, from Orkney, dear miniature donkey and the dog. Very good. Medium term list, now I've even had a few times love the show, I listened to a few years worth of, with one thing and another, and you both continue to go from strength to strength. So, that's good. Well done, thank you.

I'm still reeling after seeing the banshees of Inner Show in a few hours ago at a multiplex on Santa Monica Boulevard in Los Angeles. It rarely rains here, but the sky was dark and the tiles of the outdoor mall were soaked and treacherous as I left the cinema. I couldn't help but think the weather had adjusted to my mood. Hey, this guy's a script writer. Like Simon, the film had made me melancholy, melancholic, I think, a screenwriter would have said, but anyway. And it's called, it's the thing, the thing fallacy, when the, if you write, when the weather matches the mood, what's it called? It's the something fallacy. Someone will look it up, I find it, yeah. But I was

also deeply moved. Mental health is rarely, and we did touch on this with the interview last week. Mental health is rarely so poetically portrayed. I come from an island off the coast of Scotland, so I know how the relationships one builds on small communities can invigorate and suffocate, and how something about that environment makes everyone, but especially men, lionize, stoicism, despite poor mental health outcomes,

which is a very hard working sentence. I think that's really, really interesting. It's a movie... Just repeat that sentence. Okay, there's something about that environment which makes everyone, but especially men, lionize stoicism despite poor mental health outcomes. It's a movie trope to see stoic characters boil over under pressure and lash out physically

at someone else. Colm shows us how much he knows Porek loves him through the pain he's willing to endure to get the outcome he wants. Colm doesn't want to cause Porek physical pain as if psychological pain is weightless, as shocking as physical injuries can be. The mental anguish caused by a public visceral severing of a relationship is what cuts the deepest. Banchis of Inescherin reminded me how fragile our relationships are. We all have the power to unravel others by simply withdrawing our love. At first, I found this

thought worrying it made me feel vulnerable. However, the realisation that the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of us choose not to withdraw, gives me hope. Lastly, a realisation that the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of us choose not to withdraw, gives me hope. Lastly, a word to all the proud stoics. I wish to remind you that the worst pain is often not physical. And so, if you're hurting or if you're not, please talk to someone. Tell your friends and family that you love them, and if you can't do that, just talk to someone, anyone. It's never too late to reach out. Tegetongent down with emotional suppression, Dylan Manson in Los Angeles. Well, if I can say a number of things, that first thing, that thing about talk to someone

and reach out, as I've mentioned here before, I've been in therapy now for, well, getting on for a couple of years, and I have found it incredibly helpful because I, you know, suffer from chronic anxiety, and as many people do, an anxiety and depression are kind of very closely related. And I have found being able to talk about that, immensely liberating. So I applaud that. The phrase I was looking for was pathetic fallacy,

the attribution of human feelings and responses to inanimate things, especially in art or literature. My own feeling about what was happening in Banshees of Inner Sharon was actually about fear of death, which is that Colin is terrified that he will be forgotten after he's gone. And what that terror does is cause him to forget the reason that he likes Podrick is that he's nice. Podrick is one of life's good guys and there's that thing in which he says nobody remembers nice but everyone knows

the name of Mozart, to which which Patrick has the perfect put down, well I don't, so that puts paid to that. But I think that what the email is getting to is centrally that idea and you raised this in the entry with Martin McDonough, you said, is it about depression? And he said, well in a nutshell, yes. And I think it's therefore the fact that you can make a movie that's so thrilling, so funny, so dark, so shocking in some moments about depression is that's what art is therefore and the more I think about banshee's been showing the more it's shaping up as really top of the tree for best films of the year. But that I just found that whole

stoicism which Dylan was talking about, very, very interesting. You know, despite Paul Mental Health, how it comes in certainly one way of describing it. On your subject of death, Derek says, Dick Coleman-Porek enjoyed both the movie and the interview with the writer Derek to Martin MacDonough in regard to the woman who looks like death. This is great. Who smokes a pipe and turns up every now and then. Yeah. It is worth noting that the pipe smoking woman is a banshee as in the title.

OK. This is a banshee, pronounced banshee, but written B-A-N-S-I in Irish. A woman who portends death. Oh! They were usually associated with appearing to someone and death following after. Ap apologies for the slightly morbid tone So I had not put that together

So well no and in fact Martin McDonald didn't say it when you because one of the things but when you asked him about the title He said I'd rather people Yeah, you get it out for themselves and you back Fascinating because the absolutely fascinating because the meaning that is that you do get when you get to that point in the film because the meaning that you do get when you get to that point in the film doesn't point you in that direction at all. So that woman is the band-sheet of Ineshaire. Wow. Okay, that's brilliant. Derek, thank you. Incredibly literate list as we have. And number one in the UK, number one in America is Black Adam. Strong yet predictably aggressive music. Well, just smash your crash your bash yourashy move. I mean, it's

long-balf actually the score and it goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the way through. Sorry about that. Dennis Ryan finally got around to literally with true from the table, which was utterly pointless, because the sound is coming to my head. I finally got around to watching Venom yesterday, and I think I know exactly what you mean by a bunch of stuff happening, and I don't care. The empty superhero movies seem to have sequences built around the movie equivalent of comic book splash pages. Splash pages in comics are a single,

flashy, usually action-packed image that just looks exciting and, well, flashy. In Venom, there are shots, usually held on screen through slow motion, that are clearly there purely to appear in the trailer as an exciting moment that looks thrilling and will draw viewers in. But they're utterly vacuous, adding nothing to the scene on a broader scale. It's all a bunch of stuff happening and I don't care. I want that on a t-shirt. It's just a bunch of stuff and I don't care. Peter says, just back from watching Black Adam

at the View in Halifax, before I add an adult critique of the film, I'll just say that my seven-year-old and 11-year-old boys loved it and were absolutely enthralled. Okay, well, that's one side. Good. I thought this to be the strongest of the DCCU films. The DCC...

The cinematic universe. I know that I may not be considered a very high bar by some, but anyway, it works for one reason and one reason only, the rock. The only way the rock could be in a superhero movie would be as an anti-hero, and he is, and he plays it brilliantly. Everything he does, every scene he's in, every quip he makes works. He's not the good guy, he plays it brilliantly. Everything he does, every scene he's in, every quip he makes works. He's not the good guy, he's just the guy.

I could pick holes in it, of course, too much world building, the nonsensical world, it inhabits a whole new team of superheroes. No one's heard of, or cares about the justice society. Come on, direct lifts from the X-Men futuristic aircraft based underneath mansion, slow down action motion scenes for super fast people. We've seen it before. After all the superhero movies that exist, The saddest, saddest great. And on certain websites,

and I have to say this briefly happened on ours until we pointed out because it comes from one of the cinema websites. The cast list spoils the end credits sequence. Oh, really? Okay. Although there's not that much to spoil. As I said, frankly,

I am now at the point, if you're not making an ambush bug movie, I don't care. When you've seen one of those films, let us know what you think. An email, kermodermod.com. Correspondent's academic. Correspondent's academic. Yes, I thought you were...

The website is... The website is Kermodermod.com, where you can buy tickets for Monday. Yes. I guess today is a young act two starred in Beatrats, the Kingsman, and where the cruel dad's sing where he plays opposite Dezia Gajones. Where you can buy tickets for Monday. Yes. Our guest today is a young actor who starred in Beat Rats, The Kingsman, and where the cruel dad sing, where he plays opposite Deziaga Jones, who's on the show a couple of months back.

He plays a starring role in the new Black comedy films. Yeah. Jet Black. Triangle of sadness. It's Harris Dickinson. You can hear my interview with Harris after this clip. What was it named? Uh, Carl.

My best friend Carl. How are you today, Carl? Yeah, good. Good. interview with Harris after this clip. You start to look down on your consumer. Like if you want to be a part of this fun, open one man encrowded, you have to show us some serious cash. And that is a clip from Triangle of Sadness. I'm delighted to say one of its stars, Harris Dickinson, is with me in the studio. Hello, Harris, how are you? I'm very well. Hello, mate. Thanks for having me.

It's very nice to see you. I kind of think you're in almost every film that I go to see these days. I kind of assume that you're going to be there. But no, that's a good thing. Well, you know, so, see how they run, you're Richard Attenborough, Crawl Dads, we had Daisy on the program, so you're there, and souvenir part two, and you're there. I don't think you're in Top Gun Maverick, were you?

No, you could have been. No, no, I watched that the other day, it's fun. It is fun yeah so it feels as though things are really buzzing in Harris to Consonz world describe buzzing exciting moving forward fast lots of exciting projects people wanting to work with you that kind of buzz it's just it's good to be employed it's it's what I'll say you know it's good to work man it's good it's nice that I'll take that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, Triangle of Sadness, explain the title.

Triangle of Sadness is a term used by plastic surgeons between the eyebrows, between the eyes where it becomes wrinkled and in the film it's referenced as a trying of sadness. So the top of the nose in between the eyebrows? Yeah, yeah. And that's which, and is that the kind of, it furrows when you look sad? Furrows when you look sad or just expressive, I guess. I mean, it's described as sad, but I don't think it's a sad thing.

I think it's just the normal human fact. Okay, all right. So that's where the title comes from. Explain who you are and where you fit in the story. So I play Carl, he's like a young male model who was once quite successful and we meet him as he is kind of on the decline. He's works drying up a bit.

He's with this successful model who is doing quite well and we get free tickets to a luxury cruise which is occupied mainly by a Uber rich, millionaire guests and with the exceptional pair that have been granted a ticket for our sort of influential powers, you know. Yes, okay, so it's an unusual film, but so we'll just sort of go through it. So right at the very beginning, it's where we see you as the model. And it's an audition, which I have to say,

if that's an accurate rendition of what it must be like to get a job in that kind of world, it's pretty humiliating. I wonder, you know, when you audition for a part as an actor, is it as tough as auditioning for a role as a male model the way it's portrayed in this movie? I mean, I feel like in the fashion industry, it's a little more humiliating. There's efforts in the acting world to sort of accommodate

an actor or make it as least uncomfortable as possible, but it still is humiliating. I remember those early auditions where you audition in for like commercials and you just sort of get asked to dance and things like that and just do something on the spot that is just, you know, it's embarrassing, but I think acting is embarrassing and you kind of have to be okay with it. Yeah. And how was the audition for this movie? It was fun. I mean, it was just Rubin and I. We were in the director. Rubin the director, yeah. Sorry. So he read all the other parts and we did a lot of improvisation. And I mean, it was just fun. We had a good time and it was, I mean, it was extensive. You know, I had quite a few auditions for this and

with other people involved as well, you know, with other actors for other parts. So is that usual to do improv at an audition? Not really, normally you're with the script, but I like improv. It's fun, you know, it gives you freedom, it gives you scope to sort of, you know, roam outside of stuff, rubin' so quick. So when you're doing that in the room, it sort of gave me a good brum of how it was going to be on the day and like it just excited me the way he worked. So does that mean that there was some improv in the actual movie? Was it just in the... No, there was a lot of improv in the movie.

Yeah, he has a very strict script that we stick to, but then when we each day, we look at the material, we would come at it from a first point of view and we would add lines that we would add and change lines and then say we did, he does a lot of takes. So we would do maybe 20 to 35 takes and then from take one to take 30, the scene might have changed a fair bit. Lines might have been removed or added or actions might have changed.

So it's fun because you have to be so present because otherwise you lose. If you're not concentrating, you lose path. So you're on this cruise with your partner played by Shelby Dean. The right words to describe you as a couple, but everyone on the boat is pretty unpleasant. And you have your plus side, but you're a... He's pretty entitled. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

He's called it what it is. Okay. He's quite entitled and he's a bit of a knob. Yeah, he's a bit of a knob. He's someone who's like, I like to think of him as someone who has been caught up in it, because I don't think he started out like that. I genuinely think that he came from, you know, humble beginnings. The story goes that he was a car mechanic that got scouted on the train. So I like to think of him as someone who has been, you know, sort of corrupted or intoxicated

by the fashion industry and by someone who kind of acts like that too. It's also rubin' like to make the point about how quickly we can get used to a certain kind of behaviour or how quickly we can kind of, you know, get used to a certain kind of treatment if we are in those environments enough, you know. People can change very quickly and people can sort of lean into the worst corners of themselves, and Karl is very much that, you know, he's someone who is neurotic and sensitive and self-conscious and angry in all of those ways, and he just acts on all of

those neuroses and impulses and sort of humiliates himself along the way, you know. You're on this luxury cruise, the relationship between the Cleontel, as you say, they're kind of multi-millionaires and the staff is quite extraordinary and they're all expected to just say yes to absolutely everything. But it's quite specific what the Cleontel are asking for. So at one stage, some dreadful woman asks for all the staff to take a break and go down the water slide. And then another woman is complaining about the dirty sales that the ship has. And the captain says, we don't have any

sales. But she insists and so he says, okay, we'll have them clean. It sounds as though that's happened before. I just wonder whether your director's, I've been on a cruise and this actually happened. He went on a cruise, he went on a luxury cruise before, just as research, of course. Yes, tough, tough old life researching the movies. No, he did and he spoke about that a lot and he spoke about all the sort of ridiculous asks that were taking place on that cruise. It's fun, have you ever seen Below Deck? No, I have not. There's a reality show called Below Deck

about luxury cruise ships. And it's really interesting. I was watching it a lot throughout filming and I kind of became obsessed with it. When people are paying that much money, they, I guess they assume that they can make those ridiculous requests. Have you ever been on a cruise?

No. I think my rough guess is that anyone who goes to see this movie will not want to go on a cruise. Have you? I have a long, long time ago, yes. How was it? Well, it was great, because it was the first freebie holiday I'd ever had.

Really? Yes. So it was fine, going around the Mediterranean. So we were just going, okay, that's fine. Oh, what, this is for free as well. But I think if I'd seen your movie first, I don't think I'd have wanted to go. Really?

No. Do you think that's fair? I think that's very fair. What can you tell us about the Captain's dinner scene? So we've got to say the captain of this ship is played by Woody Harrelson, who to start with him, why did he agree to do this? Because to start with he's just shouting through a door.

There must be more to this part. And then we discover why he wanted to play the role. But how would you, and he's a drunk, how would you describe the captain's dinner? Well, I guess the story goes that he, the captain played by Woody Harrelson, decides to do the captains dinner. Every cruise that happens, he decides to do it on the roughest night of the cruise. And so, so that happens and you sort of just mad in this and see who's really everyone gets. C-sick and the rest and.

But there's C-sick and then there's the scene. scenes The fine dining as well so you've got all of this really uh... I don't have to describe that food, how would you describe that food? High end. High end. Particularly. It doesn't look... The only history. Yeah. The only food choice that looks any good is what Woody house and orders burger and chips. Yeah. Everything else looks pretty preposterous. Yeah.

Quite early on when we're in the male model phase of the movie. You're on the catwalk and there's a tagline which says, sinuses are masquerading as optimism. And I was like, I don't have no idea what that means. That's the answer to my question. I have no idea what that means. I think that's, I mean, perhaps Rubin has an astute answer to that. I think it's just an observation of fashion trying to jump on the sort of, you know, latest sociopolitical trend or... It's happening, it looks pretentious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it just breaks into the sort of upbeat, you know, house music and it switches into more. Yeah, we're fun too, you know.

And I mentioned Shelby Dean, who's your co-star. Tragically, she passed away this summer, she was 32, very much a rising star. That must have been, I have to ask you about her just because it was so shocking to read about it, but for you and all the people involved in the movie, it must have been awful. So shocking man, so shocking and just so sudden, you know, we had this beautiful premiere at Cannes and you know, we were about to embark on this journey together, you know, Shelby and I were so closely tied in this film, you know, we kind of, the majority of us scenes were with each other, so it was just such sad news.

But was she just suddenly taken ill? Is that? Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it's tough to talk about, but you know, I'm glad that people are going to be able to watch her performance. And she had, she had come from modeling. So, she would have had a particular take on. She did, she was quite helpful. She was very helpful, in fact, with a lot of the scenes,

with a lot of the particular fashion stuff, yeah, definitely. I want to ask you about accents. I am always fascinated by accents anyway, and marvel at people who can do it with with precision. I mentioned at the beginning of our conversation that I'd seen you in loads and loads of different films recently, but it's interesting to hear you speak in your real voice, which I mean, this is the voice that you use in the movie, I think. Kind of.

Yeah, kind of. I was kind of rubin' at times I went a bit to London and he could tell. Like when I get angry, I got a bit more, a bit more like, you know, a bit more London and he didn't like that. So I kept it a bit more well spoken. Cause in Crawdads, oh it was thinking,

Daisy, a good Jones born in London, you're born in London. And there you are in the apparently, you know, the American deep south and your accent's just fantastic. Oh, thanks. Yeah. It was funny. We used to say to each other like, how kind of absurd it is that we're here. It has two bricks, you know, doing these rolls. But yeah, thank you. Thanks, man. I feel like a lot of bricks have an easier time with accents, because we're exposed to

so many of them from a young age with TV and stuff, I think. It's quite prevalent in our culture and stuff. But there are some actors watching James Nosebit on the television at the weekend. He tends to always have the same accent. And then I'm seeing you being Richard Attenborough. So you can do cut glass, you can do London, you can do America. Because you didn't go to drama school, did you? You just seem to have an ear for getting an accent.

I think I do have a good ear. Yeah, I think I'm quite good at imitating. I always have been quite good at imitating, like listening and repeating, but I mean, I'm a terrible singer. So I have a good ear, but I also, like my girlfriend's confused because she says you're so good at accents but you can't Like a certain tune you'll just it'll just go off so easily

Which confuses me because I've got you know, I can listen to something and impersonate it or find a voice or find you know change my You know cone or whatever, but I don't know, yeah. I don't know. What accent are you gonna be using next? I'm doing a Texas accent next. I'm doing a Texas accent in a film called Ironclaw with Sean Dirk and so I'm trying to find that at the moment. Yeah. Okay.

Very heavy draw. And do you still want to write and direct at some stage in the future? Yes. Yes. Yes. I'd like to. How far off is that, do you still want to write and direct at some stage in the future? Yes, yes, yes. I'd like to. How far off is that, do you think? I did a short film. I had a short film at London Film Festival last year and then I've got a feature film and development with BBC Film.

So it's very much in motion. I'm just sort of taking my time and not putting too much pressure on it, you know. All right. Well, we'll look forward to your Texas accent. That sounds very interesting. Harris Digginson, thank you very much pressure on it, you know. All right, well we'll look forward to your Texas accent. That sounds very interesting. Harris Deaconson, thank you very much for coming in. Thank you. My guess is we'll be talking about Harris Deaconson for many decades.

Oh, he's the real deal. I mean, if you look at him in Beatrat's county lines, which is unbelievably powerful and really, really tough, you mentioned souvenir part two and Kroyla. He is one of those people who, and I would say this is the mark of a great act, you can see them in four different films and not realize it's the same person.

No, I think we're gonna be talking about him for a very long time. Yes, and interesting to hear his accent is genuine accent, a bit like Christian Bale when he was on the show a couple of weeks ago. Gary Oldman when he talks in his ordinary voice. Anyway, triangle of sadness. So Ruben Austin once said that all my films are about people trying to avoid losing face,

which I think is actually a particularly astute bit of self-analysis. In Fulton Jörg, he basically, you have a story about a father on a ski resort, a moment of crisis, he deserts his family, the whole of the rest of the film is about him pretending that that isn't what happened and then all realizing that is what happened. In the square, is it close to a clouse or however you pronounce? Clouse bang. Clouse bang. Is this guy who's running a museum that's meant to be all about openness and inclusivity, but it actually turns out that he's completely, you know, prejudicial and he's a much more decrepit person.

And this is revealed through something that happens that shows his rough ridges. So this is Rubeiros' second palm door when the first one he won for was the square and now he's won for Triangle of Sadness and the film got an eight minute standing ovation it can as you probably know. This kind of does for the super rich what the square did for the world of high art, I mean that high art and fine dining. It's, you know, the models are empty and vain. The Russian poo magnet, he describes himself in slightly rougher terms, is keeps his eyes on the jewels even when overcome with sadness,

you know, the posh British arms dealers who in a kind of blackly comic joke end up faced with their own creations. And then there's Woody Harrisonrelson, who you mentioned, as the drunk Marxist, quasi-Marxist, ships captain who just sort of spews this sort of political rhetoric over the ship's tannoy whilst everybody is being sick. Here's the problem. So the square has a dinner party sequence in which the dinner party is interrupted by performance artists who comes on like a gorilla and completely disrupts the and it's terrifying. That was actually the poster image for the square. It was this image of this guy standing on all fours on the tour. Look, I mean terrifying, absolutely terrifying sequence goes on for way too long. It's really uncomfortable. Here it's the Captain's dinner when everyone's passed and fine dining, and it all goes Mr. Creasote. That set piece is impressively funny. What it isn't is genuinely shocking

or challenging in the way that the central set piece in the square is. And I think that the problem with trying of a sadness for me is it's a much softer target than previous targets. I mean, can anyone think anything other than all these people are disastrous? You're smiling at me, meaning that that's what you know, I'm so the super rich and arms dealers. How difficult is that as a target? Exactly. It's not difficult at all. Turns out they're hateful. Yeah. It all surprised me. And wow, in other news, Jacob Reese Morgues and Ask. So I think the problem, therefore, is that when, you know, when, when the world is turned upside down, which is kind of the third act of the, of the film, and we have

a kind of, you know, Lord of the Flies situation, it's not entirely surprising the way it plays out. It's not, you know, it's one of those things that if civilization collapsed, do you think the posh people will be the ones who knew how to catch a fish? Probably not. Probably not. So I think that even with the things about the film

that I like and admire, I do think Harris digs in this terrific, it everything I've seen him in. I think that at 149 minutes, this is shorter than the square, but it felt longer. And I think some of the barbs land, and I think some of it works, but I think the problem is it is a satire about people that we all think are basically pretty hateful from the beginning. And that works less well for me than a satire about a family man who's revealed to be a creep or the director of a apparently liberal art establishment

who's revealed to be a creep. But I would bring it back again to that comment that Ruben Oslin made, which was that all his films are basically about people trying to avoid losing face. And I think that does apply. And now we welcome you to the very final bit of all the news that you need about the World Cup of Horror before our big final. This is getting serious now.

Spooky music. Very spooky music. You are Dr Mark Cammard with us here to analyse your votes. You are the Professor John Curtis. Professor Sir John Curtis? Sir Professor, no, it's Professor First, then Sir. It's Professor Sir Christopher Frailings, so it's Professor Sir John Curtis. John Curtis. The great analyst of all, there's a great Twitter site which is John, is John Curtis on television, is what it's called. And every time it just says yes. Anyway.

So you, the people, have democratically decided on the live show, Finless, we took to Twitter for the semi-finals last Sunday to see the shining versus the alien and the jewels versus the thing, results are in. So out of the shining versus the alien, the alien was the clear winner. 63.5% or 60.5%. And from our other semi-final, the Jaws versus the thing, super close, Jaws wins it 52%, 52.48. The legendary 52.48.

And what's fascinating is that gives us two finalists, both of which could be described as not horror films, although they are, but they are also other things as well. So that, I think, that very beautifully demonstrates the flexibility of the horror genre. That completes the draw, then, for the final of the 2022 World Cup of Horror Films. Alien plays Jaws. The final tie played Monday 31st of October,

at the end of the go-in London in front of a paying audience. That's this coming Monday mark. Don't forget tickets at Curbinemoa.com. I just say alien versus jaws is a film I would pay to see. Better than alien versus prey to it. You could certainly. Any day. Now here's the deal.

Showrunner, as he likes to call himself now, which he's just produced, her Simon, is a way. Yes. So it turns to produce a Hannah to write the jokes. And they're terrible. So, we, Hannah, we're big fans, putting signs of everything else. You're not a joke writer. to write the jokes and they're terrible. So, we, Alan, we're big fans, but in terms of everything else,

you're not a joke writer. So last night when the lady in the van turned up, I'll pass nine. With his child one, Lady in the van's child one. Hello. I said to my child three, okay, the jokes are terrible this week.

Can you, I need some jokes and you saw him stand there and work some out. He worked out one, which was just genius. I literally watched his comedy brain. So is it, is that the first joke? These were off, yes. So these are off the cuff from Child 3. I saw this being created in the head of Child 3.

I was talking to producer Simon Pull yesterday when I realized that he's a vampire. I tried to stab him with some nearby firewood, but as I raised my hand, they grabbed my arm. It was a high stakes conversion. High stakes conversation. Conversation, I'm just reading it from his WhatsApp. Why did he write good book? It's a high stakes conversation. So he always says I I spoil them in the delivery,

which is absolutely right. But in this case, he was sold it in the last year. Okay. Okay. We both come down. Very well. This was 930 on a. It was. It's a bedtime. Okay. After we both come down a bit, he explained how hard vampires have it these days.

For example, do you know the hardest problem facing asthmatic vampires? I don't. Coffin. Shh. This keeps falling. Later, I was looking for producer Hannah and I realized that she transformed into a large building.

Turns out she's a warehouse. Very good. Okay. Very good. And I learned, I learned earlier that the studio, this very studio is haunted, but don't worry Mark, I found a PE teacher to get rid of the spirits. What can a PE teacher do against spirits? Yes. She exercise them. Yeah, okay, weaker. Weaker? Okay. Note to child three, that one's weaker, but the others were very, give it absolutely no notice.

That was what, and I think they're kind of original. I'll say you've had any spare cash in my pockets to pass on to someone else any second. But I don't know exactly. I'll just see if I can do Apple Pay. That's right, how much? Would you just Apple Pay in a couple of quid from me? Too quid, thanks for anything.

So well done. Anyway, good, so that's having me. So well done. Anyway, good. So that's the end of the slaughterlif. Thank him and for that. Charles III, thank you very much. And also, we had to drag him away from Dungeons. Drag us to do that.

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Right, so it's not bros. You don't go and watch bros because bros. See, in the bros movie, this is bros. As in Smash, Mario Smash. Super Mario bros. Super Mario Smash Brosk as well. See, in the Brosk movie, this is Brosk. As in Smash Brosk, Mario Smash Brosk. Super Mario Brosk. Super Mario Smash Brosk. Smash Brosk, can't remember.

I don't do any games. Well, it's not Brosk about whom we already had that absolutely brilliant documentary, which I just thought is Brosk. So this is written underrated by Nicholas Stoller, who directed Forgetting Sarah Marshall and the two neighbors movies with Seth Rogen and Zac Efron. And this is also co-produced by Judd Appetappet.

And so Billy Eichner is Bobby. It was a podcaster and a curator of an LGBTQ plus history museum or a proposed history museum. He was recently awarded Best Sis White Male Gay Man Award. He's a confirmed bachelor who hooks up with tons of guys on Tinder and doesn't want any commitment at all He wants to be you know the bachelor boy for the rest of his life because he's perfectly happy Sun you'll be a bachelor boy and that's the way I'll stay or does he?

Luke McFarlane is Aaron who is a hot but miserable lawyer Who he's in? Wills. He basically organizes people's estates as their wills Who we are told is boring. They hook up together, because he's very handsome. They both declare that they have no interesting commitment. They both do a lot of communicating via text, is a clip. Maybe we can be emotionally unavailable together.

Who's writing your texts, Maroon Five? Ah. Kidding! We can go out. Are you asking me out? I'm done for whatever. Yeah, same. Cool. Sounds good. So out. Are you asking me out? I'm done for whatever. Yeah, same. Cool.

Sounds good. So tomorrow? Or we can do whatever. Yeah, I can do whenever and I can do whatever. I don't care what we do. Yeah, me neither. We can do whatever and we can do it whenever. Does that work for you?

Yeah, that definitely works. Great. Whatever, whenever. Cool. Whatever, whenever. Gif of Michael Scott dancing. That's good. Off is Gif.

This person isn't gay. That's funny. You laughed at the this person is in gay. That's funny. You laughed at the Maroon 5J, who writes your text. I was really impressed that they got a laugh at you. Anyway, so as the sort of constant nods to when Harry Met Sally tell us, there is also another story at work about these two people who were just, you know, looking up because they're friends.

So this has kind of very frank sex scenes wrapped around a rom-com plot. And it could, you know, to my mind, could easily be called when Harry met Shortbus. Do you remember Shortbus? No. Well, Shortbus was a very sort of frank sex comedy, sex positive comedy, which was kind of really,

it was much more explicit, and we had hardcore stuff in it, which this doesn't. But it is in its sexual frankness. There is a similarity. And also, I think there is a similarity in terms of the way in which the script writing and the gag's work, I mean, this did remind me somewhat of John Cameron Mitchell's ear for a Serbic comedy. There's also a running gag about, you know, Hallmark Christmas movies, about how those movies are now kind of...

They're now more inclusive, you know. Happy heteronormative Christmas, you know, hallmark Christmas movies, about how those movies are now kind of, they're now more inclusive, you know, happy heteronormative Christmas, you know, polyamorous returns, or because they've suddenly realized that actually there's a large part of their market that would, you know, fit into that group and so therefore it's entirely done as a demographic thing, as opposed to, because it's the pink pound, it's not driven by any kind of, you know, moral or conceptual change. There's a cameo performance by Harvey Fierstein, so this is kind of, you know, moral or conceptual change. There's a cameo performance by Harvey Fisting, so this is kind of the cherry on the cake, the yes, you know, we're all on board with this. I think it was actually pretty funny.

The screening I was in, there was a couple of critics who were hooting like barnels. So this was just like gag after gag after gag that was absolutely hitting that sweet spot. And I thought it was pretty consistently funny. It sort of sags towards the end. One of the different, one of the things that's great about when Harry met Sally is that the writing and the way in which that plot evolves never, never falls down.

It's got an absolutely beautiful kind of conclusion. And this doesn't have that, this definitely kind of, it does lose its way a little bit in the last act. That said, as it sinks into squishy sentimentality, I did find that I was welling up. No, and so my point will be, if you're going to do unforgivable squishy sentimentality, if it makes me cry, I'm going to give you a pass. And there is a musical thing, and I won't spoil this, but there is a musical thing that my toes were curling and my eyes were watering at the same time.

So I was pretty funny. It was certainly much funnier than most alleged rom-coms that are around at the moment. And as a steady, it is also very frank in terms of its attitude to sex and sexuality and I enjoyed it. OK, so let's do what's on. Now this is where you email a voice note about your festival or special screening from wherever you are in the world. You send it to correspondents at kermetermayo.com.

Here we go. This is Anton Batel from the London Korean Film Festival. The festival boasts an eclectic showcase of contemporary Korean features, documentaries and artists' videos, a new horror strand and a special focus on the late actress Kang Soo-Yoon, and a special presentation of Koryedo Hirakatsu's award-winning broker. So ride the wave from 3rd to 17th November. The sit-down shut up and watch screen Festival from Adelaide South Australia premieres from the 19th to the 29th of October.

Each film is created by learning disabled and neurodiverse people and reviewed by me, Mike Kiazni, an artistic filmmaker and movie critic. Check us out at www.sitdownshutupenwatch.com and follow the prompts. Hello, Salah Mark. This has been from DBS Institute in Bristol. Just wanted to say a big waltz up to my music and sound for film graduates who are holding their graduation ceremony at the lovely Watershed Cinema,

today the 28th of October. So well done to them. I'm very proud. So we heard from Anton from the London Korean Film Festival. He was, it says, a very fine man. Mike Yols need from sit down, shut up and watch film festival in Australia and Ben from the devious Institute in Bristol. So you get the idea.

You sound genuinely proud. Yes. Well, they also, I just love it. The fact that they just want to tell everybody about their festival. Send about 20 seconds seconds please telling us everything about your event enthusiastically from wherever you are in the world and you send it to Correspondence at Kermanemoe.com. A couple of weeks up front that would be nice. What else is out? So new film by Sebastian Laliak called The Wander which is in cinemas from Wednesday and is then on Netflix from November the 16th

This does Florence Pugh who you can currently see in Cinemas in Don't Worry Darling Which I think is a flawed movie, but in which she's great and I'm a huge fan of Florence Pugh Basically this story is set in 1862 we meet Florence Pugh She's on board a boat from England to the the Irish Midlands, where she is being sent to observe the case of a local girl, Anna O'Donnell, played by killer locacity. The girl has stopped eating, has not eaten for four months, but appears to be doing fine, which is baffling to everybody.

The family and locals are calling it a miracle. She is the miracle girl who exists on Manor from Heaven. Lib has been sent there to observe her over 14 days to watch her sharing eight hour shifts with Sister Michael and between them they will look to see whether something underhand is happening or whether actually this is a case of divine intervention. Here's a clip. Anna O'Donnell doesn't eat. If a patient in the hospital refuses to eat, we use force.

The girl is not to be forced. Nor interrogated or badgered. But she is also not to be denied food, which she asked for it. The girl has lived miraculously without food. Since her 11th birthday, her miraculously is not how she's done it. The purpose of the watch is to determine exactly how Anna O'Donnell has survived with no food. So you want us to watch her? Yes.

On the 14th day, you will each present your separate testimony. How long exactly has it been since the last time the girl ate four months? That's impossible. Now what's interesting about the film is this. So this is based on a book by Emma Donohue, who also co-writes the script along with Sebastian Lelio, and Alice Birch, who wrote the script for with Sebastian Lerlio and Alice Birch who wrote the script for Lady Macbeth which was basically the kind of the movie that introduced a lot of us to Florence Pugso that's a really interesting

it looks very much like that character interestingly there is that comparison but that's a very good kind of creative cocktail and the film begins in the following way do you remember the human voice with the short film by Pedro Almodova? I think we interviewed him. Yes, I do. And it begins in a way... In a, you see the outside of the movie set and then the camera goes into the movie set

and then the thing plays up. So it sort of sets it up as like a theatrical contrivance. This begins with a voice over saying, this is the beginning of a film called The Wander and the people you're about to meet the characters believe in their story with complete devotion and we see a similar thing about camera outside of the movie set with constructed sets and the camera then goes into the sets and leads us into the drama. This seems initially like a kind of like a strange, you know,

raccoon alienation device, if one will. What it's doing is it's flagging up our ability to believe in fictional stories, our willing suspension of disbelief, the way in which we know that things are fiction, but we believe in them in the way that the characters believe in them. The rest of the film then is about this investigation of what's going on. Is there something miraculous happening? Is this something scientific? Toby Jones is doctor, so that's saying things like, maybe she's found a way of processing sunlight, or maybe it's a magnetic force field or something, or is the whole thing a con? Is the whole thing some kind of put on, or the family covering up for something?

And the way the drama sort of plays out is that these questions are raised and some of them are answered and then there are revelations and none of which I'm going to spoil. What's really important is that that set up at the beginning about saying, this is a story in which the characters believe

in what they do, the way in which we believe in the story because you do become emotionally invested, it's very, very emotionally moving, is a reflection of the way in which people believe the things that they believe. So rather than just saying a religious belief is either, if you're not religious, it's just a fallacy. Yes, but people believe the things that they believe.

The scientific explanation, if you don't believe, it's fat, yes, but people believe the things they believe. And it's a way of drawing attention to the fact that this is what this is really about is about telling stories. You can watch this and you can think this is a story, a political story about, it meets 10 years after the famine. So the central character of somebody starving, you know, clearly there's a political reflection and she's an English nurse coming to Ireland. This is set up very clearly at the beginning. You can see it as a film about child abuse, a character played by Tom Burke, who is a journalist,

refers to it as murdered by degrees. Somebody being allowed to starve to death as some kind of theatre. You can think of it in the way that I would think of a film like Requiem or stations of the Cross or Lurts, which are films about people's belief in their religious dogmas actually affecting the physical world around them. Or you can see it as a heartbreaking kind of drama about parents and children and loss and miscommunication and the things that you say and the things that you don't say. What I think is true all the way through, and it's interesting that Emtoni who said that she was originally inspired by real life stories of fasting girls, of which there are many throughout the world. Incidentally, you can also see this as a story about an eating disorder if you wish to. And she said she was particularly interested in one in which the Times newspaper sent nurses

to observe a girl in wails. And she said she saw this as a very, very strange intersection between the media and the religious establishment. It was somehow those two things are connected as like a kind of unholy alliance. And I think that what's fascinating is that on the one hand, she's brought that to it. The phrase that she used is her exact quote. She said, an unholy alliance of the medical establishment, pardon me, and the media establishment. And so that's the setup for it. And then, I think to that Alice Birch,

who did normal people, worked on normal people, who's got a great ear for dialogue, brings a kind of modernity to it. And then Sebastian Lelia, whose films, you know, like Fantastic Woman and Gloria and then Gloria Bell, brings this very cinematic thing to it. And then right at the center of it, this great cast, I mean, really, really terrific cast,

all of whom you believe in thoroughly. And this absolutely fantastic score, which is just strange and not what you would expect. It's a scumbag Matthew Herbert. And at the very beginning, it's kind of like this sort of seascape of sound and sampled noises and clanging. Anyway, I saw this without knowing anything about it at all. I didn't even know it was coming out next week until I found out last weekend. And I'm really glad I did because I thought it was really, really impressive, really terrific. And it's called The Wander. And it is in cinemas from Wednesday, and then it is on Netflix from November the 16th. That's the end of take one.

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