Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Kelvin Harrison Jr. & Lucy Boynton, Chevalier, Medusa Deluxe & Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

Violin-offs. A fresh interpretation of Marie Antoinette. Simon Mayo, a fashionista? This week’s episode features an interview with actors Kelvin Harrison Jr. and Lucy Boynton about their new biographical period drama, 'Chevalier’. Mark reviews ‘Medusa Deluxe’, a murder mystery set in a high-stakes hairdressing competition; ‘Chevalier’, an upcoming biographical drama based on the true story of Black composer Joseph Bologne, the son of an enslaved Senegalese woman and a French plantation owner, who rose to great heights in 18th Century French society; and 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts', the latest installment of the Hasbro toy franchise, which sees a new faction of Transformers join the Autobots as allies in the battle for earth. Time Codes (relevant only when you are part of the Vanguard): 10:05 Medusa Deluxe Review 23:14 Box Office Top 10 34:11 Interview with Lucy Boynton + 52:34 Chevalier Review 57:36 Laughter lift 01:08:29 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts Review Ad break 1 00:17:28 Ad break 2 00:32:41 Ad break 3 00:59:16 You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media, @KermodeandMayo EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts To advertise on this show contact: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, no, no. You just changed spectacles. You had your comedy spectacles, and now you've got serious spectacles. I see. I got my serious spectacles. If they were Mark Kermode's spectacles, I think they would go down rather well. Elton John has got his new range of spectacles. I've heard him talking to Ken Bruce on Greatest Itts radio,

and I thought, Mark should do the same. That was nicely done. We're like 30 seconds in and you plug Greatest Itts. That's very good. On the double album of Captain Fantastic and the Roundup Cowboy, there were two booklets that you got. One of them was a lyric booklet,

and one of them was a scrapbook. And in the scrapbook, it included the, I think it was Jackie Magazine, cartoon version of Elton John's life. And there is a key moment in it in which the young, uh, Redged White, yeah, Redged White, um, has to wear glasses and he thinks, oh, I can't be cool. And then he sees a picture of Buddy Holly.

And he thinks, oh, if Buddy Holly wore glasses, he was cool. Therefore, I can make glasses cool. And I always stuck with me that image. And I think it's Jackie magazine because the whole thing is printed in the thing about that moment when you suddenly realize that glasses are the coolest things in the world. I now look at photographs of myself before I wore glasses. I couldn't see anything. And I look wrong. Well, I love the idea of what you have one pair of glasses. I have two pairs of glasses.

Two pairs of glasses. In fact, it seems to be actually funny, we should start talking about this. It does come up in our conversation about chivalry with Lucy Boynton and Kelvin Hasen, because Kelvin takes a shining to my glass. Takes a shine, not takes a shining. No, he takes a shining because he broke through the door.

OK, I get it. And so I have two pairs. I have the pair that you can see behind me, which I wear. Yeah, we should go on now. No, I haven't. These are slightly different. They look exactly the same. They don't make these anymore. Lunar of the company and they don't make them anymore.

So ask my, so I can't get the lenses to fit my changing prescription. Well, so anyway, Kelvin looks a whole lot better in my classes than I have seven pairs. I wake up in the morning and I make a decision as to, I'll always carry it around a couple. Because I don't change very much. I always work like, you know, this is the Jonathan Richmond t-shirt that I've been wearing forever.

And that's the Harrington that I've been wearing forever. Or if I'm doing thing, it's the suit that I've been wearing forever. So the only thing I can really change is my glasses. And I have seven pairs. And what's the suit that I've been wearing forever. So the only thing I can really change is my glasses. And I... Seven pairs. What's the difference between the seven? Different frames. Do you have, like, if you're feeling loud and creative

where I show this glasses? No, no, not show this glasses. No, I've got the ones that are dark with the blue lenses, which I really like. I've got various... I mean, they may all look the same to you. They're all slightly different to me. Well, the most flame boy ones are those ones that I just took off. Like, a J-medna.

Which are the ones that are the C-through, but then they've got photochromic lenses, you know, they go dark. And you go outside. Anyway, I have a changing mood. The only, the anyway, it is worth talking about spectacles, but Kelvin does take a shining to my spectacles. No nurse, I said remove his spectacles. Very good.

There's a very good song by the pop petitions. Remember that? He's got his glasses on his face. He's not got... He's got his glasses in the proper place. He's got his glasses on his face. He's not got his glasses in his glasses case. He's got his glasses on. What are you doing later? I'll be sending like a chat up, like, actually. We're doing later then. Well, funny ask.

I'm going to be reviewing a bunch of films, including Transformers, Rise of the Beasts, Medusa Deluxe. We also have Evil Dead Rise in Take 2 and Shivalier, without special guests who you were just talking about. Kelvin Harrison Jr., he being the Shivalier in front of the thing of a glasses pond, but I couldn't get one. Lucy Boynton, they're gonna be on this particular show

in our extra takes, a whole lot of extra things that we haven't quite worked out yet, but 90 minutes of glory. Yeah, we're all. You didn't jump, I've seen Evil Dead Rise there. We're doing it and take two because it's coming to streaming services. But I'll believe it when we get there.

Okay, I still think when we get there, you'll go. I have, yeah, I have, you actually have three bonus reviews, which are, love of that wall, evil dead rise, which is coming to streaming services, and crowded room, which is the new Apple TV series, starring, hello to Jason Isaacs, happy birthday, instantly for yesterday. I can't believe it's 60.

I know, but I'm a, so that means I'm now seven weeks away from being 60 because he's seven weeks older than me. We can watch list and the we can not list a film to set the beat max for over the weekend and one to definitely avoid. Pretentious mark is currently Mark Kermod 15 versus Mark Kermod 13. I still think we're missing a half tricky Tricky won this week, I think. Oh, great. One frame back is films in which robots are in disguise.

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Now, any relation to Mark? No, it's spelled completely differently. Oh, how is it spelled? Good, and then Y-E-R. What's a completely different leads? I-E-R is Mark Goodia. Yeah, Y-E-R isn't completely differently. It's spelled slightly differently.

It's very different, it's got a why it got one letter difference It's not the same. No, but it's got one letter very very different. Okay. Okay, not the same dear dear Dear Perlin Dean now This is about topography. Oh good. I Mean I don't want to lose people too early in the in the pot I'm going to keep looking at you to make sure that I've still got you are representing the audience now.

Okay. Okay. I want to keep your attention. Okay. If I see any glazing over, I'm going to stop. I should put on my glasses that go dark and I can see good. I've been following your discussion about punctuation and speaking as a graphic designer of considerable vintage, I wish to chime in to correct a previous correspondent.

In this week's show, one emailer declared that an end-ache, E-N-ache, is so called because it's the same width as letter N. And an M-ache, E-M, is as wide as the letter M. Now, that sounded like a fascinating fact. This isn't strictly correct, which is a shame because it's a lot easier than what Ian is about to tell us. The real explanation

Harks back to the days of letter-press time when each character sat on its own block of metal. The size of this block was measured in points. The unit of measurement nowadays defined as one measurement nowadays defined as one seventy second of an inch, so one over seventy-two. You're in danger of losing me. Okay. For a particular font, EG at ten point, Baskerville Roman, all the characters would sit on blocks with a height of ten points. Still with me. This had to be tall enough to accommodate ascenders and descenders such that they wouldn't clash

if two lines of type were set one above the other with no additional line spacing, basic unit. Okay. Best wishes to you all. Are you good, yeah? To be honest, I am going to face that's it. And then he adds a, I didn didn't understand that what was the joke gone It's a typography joke. Okay. Okay. I wasn't gonna read it out, but it's actually probably

Have you heard about the semi colon that was rushed to hospital? No, it lost its dot and lapsed into a comma No. It lost its dot and lapsed into a comma. That's very good. Redeemed at the end. Also on the YouTube channel, come at a moment as YouTube channel. Now, subscribe to my many good people. Underneath the review of spider, man, colon, across the mountain scene, loads of people writing. It's not an end, that's just a hyphen. We're going to not an end, that's it's a hyphen.

We're going to get to that. Oh, it's actually not a hyphen. Oh, we're going to get to that. Oh, yes, when we do the top 10. Oh, excellent. It's actually something that I haven't heard of before. Excellent. Okay, so standby punctuation fans.

Yes, because it's about to, you think that was specific. There is a font joke in across the spider verse, weirdly enough. Yeah. Well, correspondence at KermitMay.com, sorry, and that was a fraction of what you did tell us. But at least we got you. I didn't understand it. At least we got the joke.

Yes, okay. The joke is very good. The joke redeemed you. Do us a review then. Medusa Deluxe, which is a genre-defying Brit pick from Thomas Hardiman, who I had the pleasure of interviewing at the BFI earlier this week. This is set in the murderous world of hairdressing, and hairdressing competitions where foul deeds are afoot and everybody is a suspect.

So a victim has been found scalped. And he asks, they all right, no, they're dead. It works. So we're backstage, there are hairdressers, there are models, they're all awaiting interviews from the detectives who are trying to find the criminal. Is it the hairdresser with a competitive streak who wants to rock a rival with a bottle of conditioner? Is it another competitor who may have been trying to fix the competition with the boss, Renee? Or is it Renee who may have been involved

with the victim, or is it a security guard? Or is it a jealous partner? Don't know. Here's a clip. Right, listen to me. When you talk, you give short answers, all right? How long do you know him? Years.

Do you want to put a number on that? Where'd you meet? Come in there. Just me and him in the salon. And his mum on reception with Perm. Okay, short answers, Renee, they don't care about Perms. Perfect beach wave. So, okay, you started a salon when you met him

and then you left to run these, right, Endor? I've got no interest in you going down the way. I love that phrase, short answers, Rene, they're not interested in your glasses on. He did, and he also has my hair on as well, which is kind of like Andy Circus hair. Yeah, actually Andy Circus has got the most magnificent hair.

He does, if he can do anything with it. So this is shot by Robbie Ryan, legendary cinematographer, Yugosl Anthemus' favorite, I think probably most famously, but he's an absolutely brilliant cinematographer. And it is shot and edited as if it were one shot. So you remember boiling point, it isn't one shot, it's all-constrated, but the reason it's put together in the way of Hitchcock's rope, which obviously has cuts of every whatever is

12 minutes, because of real changes, it's put together in that way to give you the sense that there's a breathless thing unfolding that wherever you turn something else is happening and every lead you follow leads you down another particular rabbit hole. It is visually amazing. I mean, it is visually really, really exciting. One of the things I like about the film is it's very arch and very funny and very dark and very strange. But it has this sort of oddly poppy-ish joy about cinema. It's a kind of film which goes, look at the way that cinema can just engulf you and grab you in

a story and just pull you by the lapels and drag you in. I mean, there's a film recently called Swan Song, which I really, really love with Udo Kia, which takes place in the world of hairdressing. And I suppose if you think of a film like Best in Show, the whole, you know, the dog show competition stuff, there is something really interesting about being inside a world which is both complex and absurd and the fact that it has this murder mystery thing. And there was deadly cut cut trees in there as well, wasn't there? I mean, I found it kind of slightly bewildering, slightly disorientating. The director cites Ken Russell as an influence and I think that tells you a lot because I mean, Russell's whole style was very kind of, you know, flamboyant and in your face, not without substance. And I think people misread Russell as being style over substance.

But it's a way of saying that the style, the style should grab you and the style should electrify you. And the dialogue is as scathing as, you know, as a dollop of bleach on your hair. And the plot is very, very twisted. One point is talking about a fontange. Do you know what a fontange is? No. Is it like a cage thing that you put on your hair to build this kind of recoco creations of hair around? And in a way, the plot itself is like that. It's all built around this kind of Fontange. Fontange, yeah.

I mean, I didn't know it. I only knew it from the film. And I said, there was that a real word. And then I looked it up. So as I said, directed by Thomas Harding, and his name, I think you'll be hearing a lot more of because clearly a very very very talented filmmaker. And like I said, this is dark twisted, strange, funny, but it's, it's got a real sense of, isn't cinema exciting.

Oh, you know, isn't there something really exciting about a visual medium that can just, that can just lead you through all this strange absurdity and anyone any, I mean, I watched it and I thought, he's going to like Ken Russell and then I was asking him about his favorite films and he was like the boyfriend and so it was good, yeah, it's called Medusa Deluxe. I don't smoke neither do I, but I need a fag. Have you got a fag? No, I feel stressed that's all. It's not a setup by the way, this is just having had a stressful journey in today. I feel like, okay, maybe it's, no, wouldn't it? Yeah, because you were driven in by somebody who would never been on a road before, indeed I was. I'm just wondering how long it takes

for that kind of stressful start to the morning to dissipate. Can I tell you a story about, because I don't smoke, okay? I think I'm allergic to smoke. It just gives me a terrible headache. Also, if you're asthmatic, it's a really stupid thing. In fact, it's a stupid idea. It's a stupid idea. It's an awful thing and, yeah, fine.

And I remember once, I was in a very, very stressful situation, which involved, yes, it was very, very stressful. It involved following an ambulance somewhere. And I was in the car with some, the person who was driving me because I was not in a state to drive. They were smoking. And I, in the car with some, the person he was driving me because I was not in a state to drive. They were smoking and I, this is a while ago when people did see them,

and I thought that'll help. So I said, give me a drag on that and it just made everything worse. It gave me a headache and made me feel sick. And also, want to poo. Which is, now there we take an unexpected, who knew? If there any medics listening, and I know there are, maybe you can explain that very strange moment.

So I don't do that. No. If that's a very interesting thing, if every time you have a drag on a cigarette. You have to try hard. You have to go and try hard. The point is you don't have to try hard. You just have a drag on a cigarette. Oh my goodness. Well, that seems an appropriate point to take a break. Still to come, Mark is going to be reviewing these films

unless he has a fag and he's not here. Well, we're going to be reviewing, I'm just going down on the thing, I've got it in the thing, I've got it here, I've got it here. Oh yes, Transformers Rise to the Beast, which is a new Transformers movie and Chevalier with our special guests who are appearing very shortly. We're going to be back before you can say,

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If it does, yes, I'm, it's, we're out of the Hagle. Nothing. Nietzsche couldn't teach about the raising of the race. So I was's so famous. He is. John's shit me on his own free will and I'll punch him. I'll take it. Deal.

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So is a cigarette a laxative? Well, it turns out in my case, although I remember my first time, this is since we're going down this particular, well, at your instigation. My friend Tim, who used to, he used to love browsing in record shops, but for some reason the act of browsing in record shops, they didn't want to try hard. Really? So he could only do it. It's all in the money. He knew there was a car in the air, but oh my goodness me.

Anyway, if anyone would like to explain what's going on, correspondents at KermitAmmay.com, I feel certain that people will join in with this one. John Bose, who's in from sale in Manchester, good doctors. Now it's been a good while since I've watched it. So this is back on the what first real use certificate I do, that if you stop at a particular point, everything is fine and deadly. Well, it turns out that very few films are actually fine and dandy for the first reel. Johnson's been a good one since I've watched this, so I may be profoundly wrong in which case, oops. But I think the first act of Gremlins might simply be a heartwarming film

about a family at Christmas and then you cutesy pet. You could probably even keep things running a wee bit past the point where spilling water on your pet generates lots of other cutesy pets, but probably again, from memory, not any further than that. No, you also know doubt, Mr. Membringly, Dave Powell from Crystal Palace. I can't remember whether there's anything before the arrival of the of the present. Actually, so that email was from Dave Powell. This is the one from John Boson's sale, my apologies. Dear O, this is nice and ah. Gaspar No-As films are not normally the first that spring to mind when looking for family, friendly fare.

However, the opening scene of climax is simply a loving modern dance routine performed by a bunch of young people having a lovely time. Do be very sure to switch it all the way off when the dancing ends. All the way off. I think the clue might be in the title of the film. And also the name of the director. With that being moment when somebody

stands up to adjust the the aerial on the television, do you remember that? Yes. Stand in front of the television. Look over there. See you never French nature. This is very interesting email from Zach Reinhold from New York on the subject of one-act U-films. May I suggest Fiddler on the Roof? My 26-year-old sister only discovered recently that this tragic film did not have a happy ending. As children, we had only ever watched up until the wedding, at the end of the first act before the Russians arrived, never actually witnessing the rest of the film and its depiction of the Jewish community navigating the threat of pog first act before the Russians arrived, never actually witnessing the rest of the film, and its depiction of the Jewish community navigating the threat of pogroms and exile. What a lovely tale of a young man and woman overcoming the expectations of their community and living happily ever after,

also we thought, while rewatching the film with our parents a couple of years ago, my sister grew more and more horrified as the film went on and on and on with one distressing moment after the other. Perhaps it was as the film crept into its third hour that she realized that Fiddle on the Roof wasn't a light-hearted romantic comedy. Tinkety Tonkin, down with anti-seemites, Zach Rinaldin, New York. And that's interesting because everyone knows if I was a rich man, I love Fiddle on the River. I think it's a fantastic film. And you kind, I reckon, Zach's on the same there, that you kind of forget the pogrom

and what comes after the first act. You could also say the same about the sound of music because of course the anchlus happens and the Nazis take over. In sound of music, I know it ends with, this is the post-poly everyone knows, it ends with them going over the mountains. The wrong way, of course, that isn't what happened in real life, what happened in real life

is that they went on tour and didn't come back. So it's an invention, but you do, it is possible to think of the sound of music as these are a few of my favorite things. And you know, I say it. And forget that actually it is about the Nazis annexing and preparing to destroy the world. Quick book reference. I'm reading a book called Everyday Hate by a guy called Dave Rich.

And it's about anti-Semitism around the world. Right, okay. It's amazing. So his is the fact that just comes up in the first few pages. Apart from the fact, it blows you on. Anti-Semitism as a word was invented by an anti-Semite who was in 19th century Germany's name I've forgotten, who invented it because he was looking for another way of saying, Jew hate. So he came up with anti-Semitism and it's to make it sound more scientific or something like that. Anyway, according to Dave Rich, in the UK there are 300,000 Jews, right?

There was a poll, the most recent poll about British attitudes to Jews 2.4% in this poll said they didn't like Jews Right, so that's an encouragingly small number. Well, then he says that transfers to 1.5 million people who said it's terrifying When asked by someone who rang up to us from their opinions, said they didn't like Jews. Okay, David said that's terrifying. That's five anti-seemites for every Jew in Britain. Anyways, fantastic book. Overt anti-seemites as well. Wow.

Okay, isn't that fascinating how, and terrifying how statistics can sound like one, because when you said 2.4, that sounds, okay, so it's quite small. That translates to quite a big number. No, no, no, no, then therefore terrifying and I mean horrible it horrible that any any one person should be but I mean but because of the you know The stuff that's been going on recently you can't think It's a great. I do I do recommend it. It's worth it's worth getting a hold of yeah, Zach Thank you very much indeed correspondence to kermaname.com boxMay.com. Box office, top 10, at 37. Oldman movie, Lack Topolips.

The. That's the only way to get that movie. Like Topolips, the. I mean, it's mad. It's a stop motion animation about the fact that if you don't milk cows, they explode. And I think it has a kind of, I think it has a vegan agenda, but I'm not entirely sure. It is absolutely bonkers and at the end, it turns into Texas Chainsaw Massacre meets Calpocalypse. Brian Tanoff runner up Best Older

Critic New Forest Film Festival 2011. Oh, well. Dear Snowball and Napoleon watching this jolly Estonian stop motion, I did think that the English marketing had missed a trick in not naming it Old man movie, Lack Toplick's Cow. Very good, very good. Or adding possible taglines, shorn the sheep meat to raise ahead, David Cronenberg's Peter Rabbit, dust for animal husbandry, what evil dead did for forestry. Honestly though, it's not quite as extreme as that, or as extreme as the BBFC advice make it sound, but it is consistently, dafly absurd and laugh out loud. Very saddened that I was the sole viewer in

one of two screenings at my local house of picture. This deserves to find an audience for its anarchic, squelchy silliness. Yes. The anarchic squelchy silliness is about right. Number 10, CISU, which is really good fun. We've talked about the fact that it features somebody having a landmine thrown at their head. You jumped over number 22, which is Amanda, which is kind of interesting, quirky, oddball character comedy in the mold of those kind of Greek, weird, wave movies, although I think it's not quite as good as the best of those. But Sisu is really, really good fun and it does feature a landmine being thrown at

somebody's head. Possibly for the first time. I haven't seen that before on screen, I'm sure somebody will correct me. Number nine in the UK is Hypnotic, Hypontic. It's funny, because we've had a lot of emails from people that say it's absolute rubbish, and I really, really enjoyed it. I mean, I did laugh. I have seen it twice because the second, because the second time I was writing a video, I wanted to make sure it wasn't just that the first time I was, you know, I was misreading how silly it was. It is properly silly.

Number eight, Zara Hatke, Zara Black, Zara Backe. So not prescreened, a Hindi film, love to know if anyone's seen it, it is a romanticer. So not prescreened. Hindi film, I'd love to know if anyone's seen it, it is a romantic comedy. Number seven is reality. Pesky 716, that's not really a name. Watch this film last night and loved it. This is how I wish more movies based on real events took place.

Using the actual transcripts, so there's no room for dramatization or fluff. The acting is fantastic and under 90 minutes, I felt more tension, the most Hollywood action blockbusters. And Green Giant says considering the film takes place mainly in one room and on the lawn in front of the house It was incredibly compelling. I'd recommend this film. There is there is a weird and it is coincidental thing happening Which is that obviously reality winner

was incidental thing happening, which is that obviously reality winner was a charge. I remember. So that's and that is just my name is reality winner. Yeah, apparently her parents wanted a real winner. And that was how that came about. And she was arrested under the espionage act for mishandling of classified documents. It is really fascinating that this film is in cinemas at exactly the same time that it looks like, and we are recording this on a Wednesday, the indictments against Trump in relation to the mishandling of classified documents may be coming sooner rather than later.

And that provides a stark contrast in terms of those documents and the documents involved in the reality winner case. That's number seven, number six here, number six in the states as well, Super Mario Brothers movie. Number five here. Go on, how you gonna say it? Number three, in America, you're gonna say it precisely as it's written and as it's said in the film, which is the Boogie Man. Boogie Man, Boogie Man, is a new entry. Yeah. I mean, so you spoke to the director who I thought gave very good account for himself. There was the rather alarming story about terrifying the youngster with the dinosaur. Yes.

And now he dressed as a dinosaur to upset the two-year-old, to make him really freak out on camera. But it was okay because he asked the mum first, which is, yeah. But I think he's a good director. I think this is more generic than his previous work host and what I hope is that in the future he gets the chance to make a big, you know, big multiplex movie that is that is less generic in terms of. I mean, the title tells you everything. It's like calling, you know, the boogeyman is like, you know, it's the archetypal fear of everything story, but I thought it was well done and I think it's at its best when you don't see the boogeyman.

Jonathan Rute says, I enjoyed the boogeyman last night, not Rob Savage's best work. I think that's host, but I still have really enjoyed dashcam and this. Rob uses decent characterization, cinematography and sound in a standard ghoulish story, whereas others can rely too much on blood and jump scares. Number four here, number four in the States, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, which I was really surprised by how affecting I found it. It has a very strong, sort of a subplot. It's kind of really the main plot, which is about vivisection, and it's about the way in which experimenting on creatures is really horrible and tragic.

And that's right there in the middle of this Guardians of the Galaxy movie, which up until now, I've been kind of largely defined by retro pop hits and sassy dialogues. So, no, no, so it's surprised me. Sorry. Number three, fast 10, your seatbelts. And that is still the best joke, because there's been some, somebody I, a friend of mine went to see it. past 10, your seatbelts. And that is still the best joke, because there's been some, somebody I, a friend of mine went to see it. And I said, what did you think?

They said, well, I'd never seen another fast movie. And I said, okay, did it make any sense? They went, no. I said, okay. Yeah, but like I said, it's like the archers. It doesn't matter if you've missed all of the others. You just join in. You've missed all the others as well, right?

Yeah, yeah. So the first one that I'd say, I'm just fine. Carls go fast, he fast. Do I. It's the first one that I'd see. It's just fine. You can't just go fast, you fast. Don't add more. Because go jumpy, Christian. And it's family, isn't it? Family, isn't it?

We need to get family merchandise, F-A-M-B-L-Y. Number two, here, number two in America, the Little Mermaid. So off its top spot, it still did pretty well in its opening weekend and has more than washed its face financially, has done well for for Disney as all the live action in inverted commas because there's an awful lot of CG in it, remakes have done. I hold that with all of them, I have yet to see a live action in inverted commas remake that can hold a candle to the purposes of this sentence, cartoon originals, but it's fine. The performances are fun. It's, you know, the central casting caused a lot of controversy, but only amongst stupid people and racists. So, you know, it's

fine. Hannah is going to go and see it. This, you can see it this evening, Hannah, who works on the show. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. It's fine. Number one here, number one in the state spider-man across the spider-verse Patrick C. So here we go. So this is the hyphen, it's a hyphen, it is a hyphen because it is a compound word, right? Not an end ash. Also, in the poster, it appears an interpunkte was used. What does that mean?

Well, exactly. There you go. It's an interpunkte. It's a punctuation mark consisting of a vertically-canted dot used for interwards separation in ancient Latin script. What? So basically, it's not a hyphen because it's a box. It's basically a square. And that is an interpunk that from the poster. So they don't even use an end dash. They use a, like a block, like a single square. And that's an interpunk. Wow. So it is, it is not an end dash. It's not an end dash. It's not a hy. And that's an interpunk. Wow.

So it is not an end dash, it's not an end dash, it's not a hyphen, it's an interpunk. Yes. Rod says, could be Rod Al or Rod AI, which is disturbing. I don't know. This movie, you can call me Rod. This movie really made me realize what it is about the animated features of Spider-Man

that succeed the live action films don't. Yes, exactly. Is that they both get the dynamic and intense feeling of swinging and gliding around in a way that the live action films can't? Because no matter how good they get, there is always going to be a disconnect between the CGI and the actual actor. The animated films never have to worry about. It's amazing how exciting it is to watch them all swing and glide. Yes. I agree. I agree. Is that finished? Or is there more of it? Well, there's another email.

Oh, do you? But now you go. I agree with it. And that was what I was saying that in the early Spider-Man of the Sam Rames, the swing and glide thing was a... It precisely that point you just made. And when you see the animations, which are brilliant, so we've had into a cross link next to Beyond, that point you just made. And when you see the animations, which are brilliant, so we've had into a cross link next is beyond,

because they're essentially taking the comic strip format and giving you that, it's incredibly visceral and really fast and really kinetic and there's no disconnect between the action and the quieter sequences. We have more. I love Spider-Man across the Spider-Man, so I think it's really good and it's terrific that it's number one.

Excellent. And we have some more correspondence about spider interpunk. Man. A bit later on. Okay, it's just didn't have to fit them all in. Can I just go back to it because he lost his dot and fell into a combo, is just coming next. Our special guests who are Kelvin Harrison, Jr. and Lucy Boynton, but first.

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Terms and conditions apply as at mx.ca slash business platinum. Hey, Monk, did you know that the whole show is available on YouTube? I did know that. So you can have to watch the whole show. You can see your glasses, see your t-shirt, and they're about to be able to see Kelvin Harrison Jr. and Lucy Boynton. Oh, wow. I'd like to see that because I wasn't there. So I guess they were going to be joined by two stars of Chevalier, which is based on true story, which you're about to hear explained. Anyway, it's all about Joseph

Bologna, Chevalier de San Jorge. Kelvin Harrison Jr., who was BB King in Elvis and was rather fan-fathers. I know. And also, Lucy Harrison Jr., who was BB King at Elvis and was rather fanfathers. And also Lucy Boynton who plays Marie Antoinette, you're going to hear all the details in just a moment. First of all, he was a clip from the film. Perhaps we should settle this right now and get a couple of violins. You can not seriously suggest any sort of competition. Yes, a contest.

He doesn't love a little contestant. testing some sort of competition. Yes. A contest. He doesn't love a little contestant. Forgive me, you'll understand. A contest. Yes, for the head of the Paris Opera. And how would that work exactly? Simply. Each of you will compose an opera for the music committee,

and I shall have them select a victor based on the quality of the production. The winner shall be rewarded the role. And his operational premiere at the Palais Royale for all of Paris. That is a clip from Chivalier and I'm delighted to say that two of its stars are here, Kelvin House in Junior, who is the chivalry, Ella Kelvin. Hello. Lucy Boynton, who plays Marie Antoinette, your majesty welcome.

Thank you. You're both looking spectacular. I feel very doudy next to you. Although Kelvin was admiring my glasses and now he's wearing my glasses. So I think we look great. They suit you, come on. They suit you. Well, you're trying to match the energy.

Anyway, you're both very, both very welcome. What a fascinating topic for a movie introduces to the character of Joseph Belonia, the Shivali and the San George Kelvin, because that's your character. Yes. So I play Joseph Belonia, who was the son of a slave and a slave owner, and his dad notices incredible. What the whole everyone notices incredible talent at the age of four and brought him to LaBoussia's Academy in Paris, where he became one of the best fences fought on this guy named Picard, who was the raining best fencer in Paris at the time, and garnered the attention

of Maria Twinnette, her the queen herself, and she named him the she's on Joyce, and that's why her story begins. Okay. Maria Twinette, her the queen herself, and she named him the she-value disonjoice, and that's why I started it again. Okay. So that's a brief synopsis. So, Maria Twinette, I want to talk more about what you've done with Maria Twinette. So how does she engage historically with this character? So Joseph kind of catches her attention with his excellence and his great talent, so she makes him she-value in order to kind of,

I think be associated with him. She brings him into her court. A chivalry is a very prestigious title to award someone. And so although it's... Is that being a Lord or a Knight? Yes, yeah, like a Knight. And so it's kind of shrouded in meritocracy, but actually she just wants to be seen around someone.

So of such excellence and skill. And so their relationship does have a combination of kind of chemistry, but also somewhat transactional. And so it can be, yeah. So you're both good for each other. He's does the same thing in his own version of it. He does the same thing in his own version of it. What do we know? We know a lot about Marie Antoinette. We think we know a lot about Marie Antoinette. In general, we don't know anything about Joseph Belonio.

The film, at the end, there's a little thing that comes up, which says Bonaparte, Napoleon Bonaparte, can't abandon all his work, which is probably one of the reasons. How much did you have to actually base your character on? That was solid. I went to, there was much that was actually solid, but there were books that had been written, like Gabrielle Bonnott's book, of a true source of sort and bo was,

as people have their debates on whether or not that's completely accurate, or if Gabrielle was just making up certain things. But I do think that he does a good account of what actually happened on the plantation in Guadalupe between the father and the mother and what that dynamic, not what the laws were like. He went to court and all these things and how he fought and how much money he gave Joseph and all those things you kind of used to create a backstory.

And but once you get to Paris and you actually did with Marie Antoinette and Marie Josephine, you know there was a baby. You know that there was a Paris opera. We knew that there was maybe, it wasn't necessarily a competition, but there was a debate whether or not glue could come into it.

But other than that, we don't really know if anyone actually came into when the competition, who actually took the position. We knew there were divas. we knew all these things were happening, so you have to make up a bunch at the end of the day. And of course women, female musicians, black musicians, and their work is now being rediscovered

because it was sort of forcibly repressed at the time. Yes. So we're catching up. Lucy's first Marie Antoinette is concerned. Overwhelmingly, I would suggest, as up. Lucy, as far as Marie Antoinette is concerned, overwhelmingly, I would suggest as soon as I say the words, Marie Antoinette, they've got the phrase in their head, they let them eat cake things. So it's not revisionist, but it's a different take on Marie Antoinette. Were you in any way hesitant about taking the role, what did

you think when you read? Not necessarily. I wondered why, when I before I'd read the script, I wondered why we needed to hear from a voice like hers again. And I feel, because I, she pitched to admit that I had fallen into the trap of having a very strong preconceived idea of her, pretty much based around this reputation that's based on this misquote. And we do see her as this very frivolous, sheltered girl woman. And we don't realize that while we're referring see her as this very frivolous, sheltered girl woman. And we don't realize that while we're referring to her as such, that we are literally talking about a child.

She was 14 when she entered the French court. And I don't think that excuses behavior, but I think it gives great context to it. And I think, I keep saying it, but I think she's been so villainized throughout history in a way that I think is reserved for women. and had she been villainized for what she does in this film, it would have been legitimate and earned, but for the rest, it's less so. But so initially, then when I started doing all of this research and understanding her more and kind of putting all my preconceived ideas away, I panicked about wanting to kind of reveal

her as not this villain that we know her as. And then realized that it's more important to just kind of portray her in a way that was important to the tone of this film. And so yeah, our iteration of her is kind of her and her later adulthood. And you, Stephanie Robinson, our writer does such a beautiful job at giving context to all our characters' behaviour and choices. And you do see her reach this choice, this fork in the road of whether she's going to sit on the right or wrong side of history. It's such a fantastic part of the sense of history just before the revolution. There's a sense of the walls are closing in on this.

Absolutely. Yeah, and she becomes kind of like a cornered rat and starts acting and operating out of fear and self-preservation. Can I ask you both about costumes and wigs? Because obviously, if you're actors, you wear costumes all the time. It's part of what you do.

But there is something Kelvin about the way you dress and the significance of the wig, which later on you choose not to wear. But can you just explain a little bit about the importance of the dressing of the character here? Yeah, I think the wigs signified a certain class level and a of a sophistication. And I have the one wig that they would make fun of me with this blonde, but it had two curls versus the gray wig as three, which is me and I'm really elevating it for society. And so it definitely changes how Joseph is perceived. It shows that I'm not just a regular black man running

through France. I'm someone that the queen has deemed as special, as sophisticated, as smart, as someone you should respect. And that means a lot to someone of his color. But at a certain point, it becomes a mask, you know? Steven and I talked a lot about like, it being this, yes, our director. It being this, this cloak of invisibility in some ways.

But there's two fold. Yes, maybe people won't necessarily acknowledge the fact that you won't get treated the same as another black person who may be working for whoever you live and protect in the palace, but at the same time, no one actually sees you. So no one actually cares about who you are as a person, Joseph. You're of surface still in some form of fashion.

So when he finally removes it, he's like, I'm embracing my culture, I'm embracing my roots, I'm kind of free. You can't own me anymore. I'm not going to, I don't need your title. It's cute though, I like somebody. But thanks, nothing. Is it Marie Antoinetteoinette was like the first person to have a stylist?

Is that true? Is that true? So the way you look is amazing, obviously. But then you are the queen. Yeah, and I think she was kind of, she was very aware of how observed she was at all times. So she decided to become an author of that perception or attempt to be.

And so she was very involved in the way that she dressed and the way she was styled. And so, yeah, those costume fittings were great. She was a woman of more, is more, is more. And so, you know, you can tell so much with the costumes, the intricacy in the way they're made. And then just the experience of sitting in them. So the contradiction of the great scale and spectacle

of them and height and width versus the sheer restriction that is that corsetry that we didn't go as far as because of health and safety. But at the time, it just, and still my experience was the kind of restriction of how you can move, how you can walk, how you can breathe and speak. You have to relearn to measure all of that so that you don't pass out while delivering a speech. Kelvin, can I ask you about the opening scene, the violin off or whatever you want to call it, where you interrupt Mozart? Just introduce that because it is an opening ten minutes. It's fantastic. So tell us what's going on there.

Yeah, Joseph here's that Mozart is doing a show. And he just wants to come in and spice things up. But it's originally based on so Stephanie wrote in the script. It's like she's like imagine there's Jimmy Hendrix and Claptin. And apparently this is a true account. And Claptin is playing the show and then Jimmy Hendrix like shows up and like kind of steals the show, but they didn't know who he was at the time. So then he'd be like completely just like starts soloing and just shedding and like then Clapton goes, who the F is that?

And it was Jimmy Hendrix. And so that's where the like the conception of the whole like most of the... Well, Mozart says about you. Yeah, exactly. So you know, Joseph does something similar. But it's so funny, because Moses has no, in the movie, Moses has no idea that Joseph,

like he's like a black man knows my, it would cause him a dark stranger, knows my, my, my, my, my leg grow. And, and next, you know, Joseph starts doing it, but he does his own version. I mean, he plays like a harmony to it, and then he starts like improvising over it. And it's honestly better than the concerto. So you're an accomplished musician. In fact, the last time I saw you, you were BB King in my favorite film of last year, which is

Elvis. But here you are required to be a virtuoso, almost on the violin. Never mind the fencing, which we see you do as well What what level did you have to get to to perform that opening scene? I Mean that was the hardest one the opener because everything else is a little bit more like manageable But I think that was the first piece I got so I had the most time to spend with it It's just it. It just, I started, I did basically the training of bootcamp before I got there. I did five months, seven days a week, six hours a day. And in that, the first month was mostly

just like trying to make sure you can get the bow hair to the string connection and make sure that there was a through line and there was a solid sound coming through. Then after that, then you try to figure out, getting the dexterity up. And then there's trying to get vibrato. And then by the last two months, it's like, okay, can I put all the notes? But most of them were scales. So we had to figure out a system to figure out which pieces of it would be the hardest and how can we do it as consistent as possible without completely blowing my spot. Yeah. I'm gonna.

I mean, you say, wait, that's you and your dad. My dad was my first teacher, and then I had another teacher in Whitton Grant when I got to Los Angeles, and then after I left LA, I went to Prague, and then I had Ronald Long, which was my final violin teacher. So you got to do all that and act.

Yeah, I was like, I act and then I got a fencing training and then I go to violin. More my violin teacher would meet me in the living room of my apartment and then I learn my lines. But comparison, Marie Antoinette has it easy. You can pass with me. Absolutely. Oh my God. I do not envy you.

Can I ask you about language and accents? It's all, obviously, the decision was made to do it all in English. What are the accents? How were you told to speak? Were you not told to speak? Were you just use your ordinary voice? Yeah, it was kind of, I mean, not necessarily my own voice, but a kind of, yeah, a regal affected voice. And then we had a dialect coach to help with accurate pronunciation of names and, you know, the specifics. But I think otherwise the focus was on trying to make this film really accessible to a modern audience and as broad an audience as possible.

So it was just trying to keep a sense of modernity and, yeah, and I think a youthfulness and accessibility. So again, we've talked a lot about those characters being really young and just kind of living with them and sitting with them so that it didn't feel you know so disconnected from present day. And there's a few snippets of French and the crowd chanting in French but what voice do you have as the chivalier? So Stephen was like basically we found this in this book was like it says says Joseph was like, he sounded like he was from the Americas. And we didn't know what that would look like. So we went through a lot of different voices. There was a point in this process where we actually took samples from Princess voice and Jimmy Hendrix voice, and we mixed them together.

And then we were going to do that voice. Wow. And then that sounded actually absolutely horrible. So then we changed that. And then we just started, we took Sidney Potea's voice. That didn't work, obviously. And then we finally, he was like, Steve, I was like, I want you to speak in your voice. And I was like, I'm from New Orleans. So that's not gonna work. So then we kinda, something happened at a certain point

where all of them just started to settle into like this middle ground. He couldn couldn't sound like he was completely like we would do certain vows or it's on American. And then we would choose the rest to sound like the queen. So he just sounds like wherever he wants to sound like it because we didn't want to do a Caribbean thing because I didn't make any sense either. Anyway, we made a choice. Love it. Marks. Can I he seemed to be that there's a very significant point in Chevalier's life, which is marked here by the arrival of his mother. Yes.

And he starts to see things slightly differently. Can you just explain how and why your mother arrives and the influence that that has on Joseph Belonia? Yeah. Well, she, she represents a, kind of a sore point in this life because he's been away from her for so long. And but at the same time, she was the last memory of community. She was the last memory of love of someone who truly wanted to protect and love him, but he's kind of entainst it because he feels like it might have been a betrayal to abandon him like that.

So now he's trying to reconnect with her and rediscover who he is and the last piece of his blackness is kind of being held with her, but he doesn't trust her. So we kind of, I don't know, she reintroduces him back to his roots and brings him back to a sense of belonging that he didn't necessarily feel when he was trying to force this way into his French society. He's a thing where Shivali, you're walking through past, I think it's your mother and some servants. I would imagine they're all speaking a Guadalupean French creole. Yes, all of. Okay. And you say, what did you say? And I think they say, you look like a white boy.

And that has quite a profound impact on him. So does he start, because he's kind of like a reluctant radical, he's a reluctant politician, you know, he's part of society. Is that like a turning point for him? As again, we've talked about the walls closing in of the revolution, he has to kind of decide where he's going and what kind of man he is.

Yeah, I think the thing about it is it's like, his whole deal is you don't necessarily understand what I've had to do to do it to fit in here, what I've had to do to assimilate to get to this place, to this place in my life. Why can't you celebrate me, especially if you've been away for so long, and as it was really tricky about Joseph, we're talking about a child who doesn't have the full, like we have therapists now. I mean, like we get to talk about it to a ridiculous amount, to figure out why we are the way we are. Joseph has none of that.

He's literally just like my dad pays for my apartment and the queen wants me to teach a hopscord. And now suddenly I'm like going out for this position to be a director of the Paris Opera, and you're coming and telling me I like a white boy, I survived. So I don't know, he doesn't really know how to internalize that, but I think the thing is,

is he wants to believe that the people that have been there to support him all this time actually are rooting for him. And the sad truth is, everyone's rooting for themselves. But I think it's just because of bigger life lessons. That's just how the world works, you know? Yeah. Lucy, what do we see you in next?

What do you think? I've done another movie with such like, called The Greatest Hits. I also attached to a strong music theme. And it, yeah, entertains here. Oh, explores the idea of our relationship between music and memory and grief. Well, do we see you in next Kelvin? The Lion King, pretty cool. You know, I just wanted to, you know, lighten things up a bit. Yeah. Okay. When do we see that? Next summer. Okay. Kevin and Harrison Jr., Lucy Boynton, appreciate you coming in.

Thank you very much. Thank you so much, having us. I'll have my glasses back. Thank you so much. They were amazing. No, you wore them for them, Dura-Dura-Dura. I know. I was like, I could keep them on, but I felt them.

They suit you. They were chic. No, I think you look great on you. Look at those shades. Fantastic. Kale, the very talented. They put his shades back on and they're just like, wow. Kale, Kale, Vin Harrison, Jeannie Lucy Boynton, but if you've never watched any of our

interviews on the YouTube channel, that's a good place to start because they are dressed fantastically. They are both extravagantly dressed. They also both have the same color nail varnish. Everything about them says, we're in a movie and then we're fabulous. And right at the end there is a moment where I say to Lucy point what you're in next. She says I'm in a film called Greatest Hits. There was a little moment to me when I thought, Radio, I could almost get in there a little plug, but I decided not to.

Anyway, the movie is, Shevalet is very interesting film, what did you make of Shevalet? Well, it's an interesting story. I mean, there have been books written about this story before there was a thing a couple of years ago, 2019 Bill Barkley did a play with orchestra called The Shivali. And Stephanie Robertson's script does a very good job of basically introducing an audience to this remarkable story. And what you have in it is,

I mean, I was watching, because it begins with what you called the violin off. And I was reading stuff with Michael Abel's, I think Grace Bows, who are the composers in charge of the different bits of the music. Michael Abel was saying that he actually wanted that first violin solo that Joseph plays to go into sounding like Jimmy Hendrix.

And then of course, when he actually starts doing, it becomes bluesy. There are those two bends in which it is completely anachronistic, but it's rather wonderful. And I knew when I was watching it, because you're such a big fan of Amadeus, there is something weird about, because the whole thing in Amadeus is that Sally Erie is furiously jealous of the fact that God has bestowed upon Mozart, this great talent. And in this, Mozart is the pre-ning Lincoln poop. Yes. He's filling up staged by this guy. Yeah, and I thought it was also lovely that that analogy is then further included that it's Eric Clapton, you know. And so that's, you know, that's nice.

And that kind of sums up, I think, the tone of the piece, which is that it's playful. It's got a kind of playful attitude. Well, it's, you know, all the inachronisms in it are to do with making the story modern. The modernity is kind of important. The key details of the story itself are really interesting. And of course, there's much more after we hear at the end about him being the Colonel in the first Black Regiment, and he was

imprisoned later on. I mean, there are many ways you could tell this story. So what this is particularly doing is it's telling it in this way, which is very kind of frothy, very soap opera very much to do with courtly intrigue and Has he charms everyone and those charms on the one hand help him to elevate his status But they also cause people to become rivals with him because you know everyone is in love with him And therefore you get the jealous husbands and the scheming spurns. Steve has many drivers, he has an amazing amount of fun with a fairly small role, but in which she says the word rehearsal in a way that will never sound innocent again. So all that stuff's really good fun and I like the way it looks. It's got a very

kind of, you know, people like going to the cinema to see, you know, it's very bewigged. It is also, as you were talking about in the interview, there are crucial times in which the wigs aren't used. If I have reservations, they are that the strokes are very broad. You yourself, I think you and I discussed this afterwards that as as descent Starts the rain outside there is liberty Galitate Liberty that's all the crowd Yeah, I mean crowd scenes and mob scenes are always very very difficult to get right the worst ever were in I Claudius I love this there you go

Which like six people. Really, it was like a mob of six people, but they're very, very angry. This isn't like that, but it doesn't, you know, it doesn't that bit didn't feel like. No, I mean, you know, it's, but so, so they are, the strokes are done broadly, and the the jealous scheming husband played by Martin Chowkash, who is fantastic. And it looks like you really would not want to mess with him at all. He is very jealous and very scheming. You get on the wrong side. He said, all that stuff is done well.

I think what it does do is it introduces you to the story in a way that immediately makes you want to go, I want to find out more about this, which is what I did because I didn't know much about it. I mean, I had heard bits of it because there have been productions around and there was a review of the play in the Guardians, it was revived quite recently. But what it made you want to do is to go away and so on. And then of course, once you start reading, you discover, well, there's a lot that's known and a lot that is unknown. And as I said, there is scope to tell this story in many different ways. I think it's good fun. I think it's very, very easy on the eye.

The performances are terrifically entertaining. Some of the strokes are broader than I would like them to have been. But that's the thing that will make it work in the multiplexes. Do you think it'll be a hit? I think it'll be a moderate hit. I think we'll hear a lot of Kelvin Harrison Jr. I think in future. He's great, isn't he? Because to be that talented and to be that musical. And that carries much extraordinary. Yeah, it's fantastic. Anyway, so that's Chivalier. It's the ads in a

minute, Mark, but first it's time, once again, to step into our much loved laughter lift. Oh dear. Well, hey Mark had a bit of a run in with the old bill yesterday. They knocked on the door and said that our dog been chasing an old lady on a bike, which is absurd, he doesn't even own a bike. You need to kick him with an upslide earlier than that. Went out for a succulent Chinese meal with a good lady, ceramic sister, and also even though she's got COVID, bad name we can't enough of that.

She ordered and... She... But you've tested negatives, so that's fine. That's fine. She ordered a number 48, which was called Big Duck. Tasted sensational, but the bill was enormous. Hey! Went to the dentist this week, Mark.

I was in the waiting room and the bloke in front of me went in. As he sat down, the dentist said, what can I do for you, Mr. Smith? The man said, Dr. Doctor, I feel like a moth. That's all very well, but this is the dentist. What are you doing here? He said, I'm not really sure,

but the light was on. Said the man. Very good. And then he fell into a coma. Anyway, I've got a joke. I made it up this morning. Go on. So is there time for this job? I'll be very quick.

So our engineer was in here trying to connect my, my computer to the internet. And he said, what's the name of that woman off the telly, you know, Miss Cotton, and I said, Fern Gully. I was really pleased with that. A late addition to the laughter lift coming from an unexpected source. And then he had to try hard. Going to be back after this, unless you're a van got easter, in which case,

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We'll find more legendary ways to save than any other major grocery. Until December 13th, you'll get a free PC turkey when you spend $300 or more. That's right, free only at your super holiday store conditions apply see fly for details Well, here we are and I said his phone golly Yeah, we've you every time you crack a joke. I I need to do a poo If there's anyone else If there is anyone else, so it's a puff on a cigarette going to record shop. What is going on here? What is happening in people's brain?

Anyway, if you have a similar kind of, I carry a piece of felt with me and I need to go to the toilet. The library. There we go. So the redactor and chief just said that it's the library that does it for him. Maybe. But that's similar to Tim in the record store. Maybe it's knowing that there isn't one.

It's the browsing. Anyway. And another spider verse. Okay. Oh yeah. Anonymous. I felt compelled to share my experience after viewing spider verse this evening. Okay. Oh yeah. Anonymous. I felt compelled to share my experience after viewing spider verse this evening.

Okay. And how a single line in the film held more significance to me than the filmmakers would ever know. Okay. Earlier this week, we were the victims of a burglary, which has left myself and my wife in a shaken state.

Anxiety levels have been very high. We were concerned that the thought of leaving the house again following the event. As if that wasn't enough of an event for week in itself, my wife and I have found out that we are expecting our first child, so it's been quite the rollercoaster of conflicting emotions. Having been such a fan of the first bite of us movie and loving cinema as much as we do, we decided that nobody was going to let our growing fear stop us from experiencing something

that we enjoy so much. My anxiety was notable as the movie began and I'm afraid to admit it included some brief non-code compliant checking of doorbell cameras every time there was some movement outside my home. But slowly I relaxed as the film distracted me from all my negative thoughts. It was as we arrived at one scene where a middle-aged Peter Parker tells Miles that, quote, bad things are going to happen. It makes us who we are. But good things are going to happen too. When something washed over me, allowing me to put the terrible events of the past week behind me

and become reminded of the good news I had received and to be excited about thoughts of becoming a dad. Writers, Phil Lord, Chris Miller and Dave Callahan, won't have known it at the time, obviously, but this line felt so deliberate and purposeful as so many others did throughout the movie that I can see why the film already means so much to so many people. The themes of parenthood and acceptance felt especially truthful and I hope my experience is only one of many moments of empowerment by such a wonderful and creatively bold movie. Please don't read out anything that could identify me as we haven't shared our pregnancy news with family and friends. If any listeners

have any fun movie theme suggestions on how we could reveal the news, we'll take those on board. That's from Roberto El Calaján, 31 our case of growth, Limasol. You can call them on 01, 3, 6, 6, 4, double 5, 3 at Google. Well, firstly, congratulations, and also, congratulations, congratulations, I'm very, very sorry because I know how that incredibly distressing, I think, that invades privacy. I'll very quickly, I'll tell you my, getting broken into story, which was years ago, he's still in human Manchester. And there was a lot of break-ins back then, and we were young with another whole bunch of stuff,

so it wasn't life-changing. But the doors in human, you see, these H-frame doors, which had glass, so two big pains of glass with wood, we said, these H-frame doors, which had glass, so two big pains of glass with wood, I mean, they were, you've even lent upon them, they would, they would give in. But the thing was, we, I was living with Phil, and we went out and we came and Phil, yeah, and we came back and our house had been, our flat had been broken into and we'd lost, you know, some guitars or, you know, stuff like that. But in order to get in, they had broken the H-frame door, they literally just smashed in and broken off. But in order to get in, they had broken the H-frame door. They literally just smashed in and broken off.

And the council said, well, the one good thing about it is that now that that door is irreparable, we can give you a security door. So I know what's that? It said a security door is a solid door. And it's like the name suggests, it's a security door. Now you're a relative of one. We said, that's great.

They gave us a security door. And the next time we got bergled and I'm not making this up, they stole the door. But it's a gag now with the passing of time. Here's an email from Nick and baby Etta, that's what it's signed. And we've had rollercoaster emails before. This is a real roller coaster. Okay. Okay. Dear Benjamin's Niddlegrass and the Cauldron of Penguins, which establishes Nick as long as I'm the seventh. Not first time emergency, male, but hopefully you'll have time to read this out.

I've listened to the show semi-regulately for too many years to count, but in the last five years, your witterings have become for a regular voices in my ears, bringing a weekly dose of many years to count, but in the last five years your littering has become irregular voices in my ears, bringing a weekly dose of solace, comfort to smiles laughter and tears. Five years ago my husband and I moved into a new home not long after we got married, we were pregnant and kept pinching ourselves at how lucky we were. Alas, this pregnancy, like the one before and the three that would follow, was to come to an abrupt and painful end. The last five years facing recurrent miscarriages, resulting in fertility,

grueling fertility treatment and several anxiety-ridden pregnancies have been devastating and isolating. As I retreated from the world and then the world forced everyone else to go into isolation too, your voices have been a constant in my ears. Walking our dog for miles with only your witterings for company, I have cried, laughed, argued, idolized Tom Hanks, as we all have, discovered I have a fantasia, and most importantly of all felt less hopeless and lonely. It seems so strange that you have been such a big part of my life and my healing and yet you have no idea, so I wanted to let you know and thank you. The last five years have been the darkest and most painful time for me, in particular,

after our most recent loss. Our little boy Jack was born silently and we had to say goodbye. Now, I am just starting to attempt to catch up with your most recent witcherings after a five-month hiatus. And when I explain why, I hope I'll be forgiven to which the answer is here. I've repeated the mantra, everything will be okay in the end and if it's not okay, it's not the end continuously over the years. In December, we welcomed our precious baby girl, Etta, safely to the world. So the reason I said at the beginning, it's from Nick and Baby Etta. It's just that can hint that there was salvation.

She is helping to heal all of our hearts, and of course, I've been taking her to the other place that has brought me so much comfort over the years, the cinema. We have been enjoying baby screenings at our local cinema, and Etta seems to be quite the film snob. Here is what we have attempted so far. The Whitney Houston movie, not even Stanley Tucci could save this film for Etta she screamed until I let her leave halfway through. Puss in boots, the last wish, Etta adored this one. What's love got to do with it? Etta found this predictable but enjoyable.

She felt it would go down well on a Sunday afternoon with a cup of tea misses. Creed III, Eta was very pleasantly surprised by this. She was worried having not seen any of the previous Creed films, or indeed any of the Rocky franchise, but enjoyed it very much. Sixty-five, Eta was extremely unimpressed and definitely doesn't agree with Mummy's view that there were dark head, that dark head Adam Watts's name made it better. 80 for Brady, not enough last justify staying for the whole film unfortunately. Super Mario brothers, etter refused to even attend this one. So thank you again for helping me more than you'll ever know. Hello to Jason and Toby. Toby Jones, we haven't had Toby Jones on the show.

It's been a no-be-john season. Tinkley, you're talking down the analysis and all held the BHFs from Nick and Baby Etter. PS, thank you. I think if you, whenever I spread, I think of you, whenever I spread my toast with butter, lick the knife and then spread it with, and then spread it with whatever I'm having, with the same knife. This goes back to an all conversation about being a gentleman and being a lady. I said, my dad's definition of a gentleman was someone who used to butter knife even when they were on their own. That's right. Yes, because it was a matter of principle rather than you're not doing it in order to demonstrate to other people, but it's a matter of principle. Yes. And I don't think people have butter knives or fish knives anymore, whether you

use them. We've got sent cutlery and old kind of things anyway I said it was an emotional roller coaster, so No, well, thank you for that email It's you know, it's very moving and wishing all the best going forward and how brilliant to hear that cinema has played Such a life affirming role in all of this which you know These the thing cinema does do that. Sorry the parent and baby screenings are a fantastic idea. Wonderful. Wonderful.

And I mean, it's that and then there's the screenings in which they lower the sound and you can keep the light so high. The way in which cinema is adapting to the requirements of the audience is fabulous and right and brilliant and you know what is the right way to to show a Transformers movie with the lights on and the sound down well you've led me rather nicely to this you well done that was very good while you're the top paid host on greatest his radio I'm not by the way

no I know I was halfway through that. I suddenly realized that probably wasn't actually true anymore. Anyway, okay. Transformers rise of the beast. All right. Which is, I believe the seventh installment in the live action Transformers series. Obviously there was Transformers movies

before the live action. So, setting mid-90s, a sequel to Bumblebee and a prequel to Transformers, the first one. Inspired apparently by Hasbro's Transformers Beast Wars series. Really? No. Me neither. The plot involves the Dark God Unicron.

And if I get any this wrong, forgive me, I was trying to keep up. I don't think it'll matter. Who destroys planets. And he destroys a planet that is people by maximals who are like Transformer animals who escape to prehistoric earth fast forward to the mid 90s Anteoropsies know her is trying to get a job to help to pay for his younger brothers medical care Meanwhile Dominic fishbacks Elena is an artifact researcher looking to make a name for herself because she Her colleague keeps taking all the credit. They Their paths cross when an artifact that she has breaks.

It breaks open to reveal a transwarp key, which is a key that can help the transformers on Earth get home, but also calls to Earth the terracons. So everyone has to team up to face the darkness. Is it click? team up to face the darkness is a clip. is about the fate of all living things. Unicron is coming. It won't stop! Oh, I thought he was boys. You want it?

I'm gonna get it. You brought a human here. I've nobody. I ain't ever seen nothing. I'm not even seen anything right now. Is it a transport, the same as a time warp? Let's do the transport again. I'm sure they're all connected in some weird way.

50th anniversary, isn't it, of Rocky or something. So the first live action Transformers movies were directed by Michael Bay, and they were horrible. And they were notable mainly for their leering sort of sub-pomanoesthetic, you know, Megan Fox bending over a car was the key image in those movies. And they were something really twisted about the fact that Michael Bay thought that that's what you should do with a kid's toy. And I hated those films. I do remember how much I didn't like them. Then we had the sixth installment,

which was Bumblebee, at which point Michael Bay had stopped directing and the directing duties were handed over to somebody else. And so for the first time, you had a movie which didn't have that attitude and it's human leads weren't Shardabuff and Megan Fox and I go, you know, and therefore in my head was infinitely preferable to any of the Michael Bay movies and I quite liked Bumblebee. Bumblebee I still think is the best of the series. This isn't quite as good

as Bumblebee. Two hours long is quite exhausting. The smashy, crushy crescendo follow that Michael Bolton thing, you know, Doctor Who rule of, this is the biggest, most big, big thing of all the big things of ever and the bigly in your five minutes in. You're like, okay, well, I'm, where you're gonna go. Oh, and I saw it on the iMac screen.

And it was like, it was like, very, very loud, very, very loud, smashy, smashy, but it's to the point that you get so loud, it almost goes silent. But at least it is an unashamed robot's hitting each other film. Not robots hitting each other with that absolutely leery aesthetic that Michael Bay had.

Got likable leads, which you didn't have in the Michael Bay transformer movies. You've got a plot that basically says, you know, we need to all work together because that's the way we're going to overcome the darkness. It's teamwork. Teamwork is the key. It's not being, you know, an individualist, it's teamwork. So the messages are all on message. The human cast are kind of likeable.

The action is lots of robots, lots of transformers, lots of different mecha-neoidal things, smashy-bashy-crashing each other. There's a brilliant moment in it when it's too late, something has happened. The thing, the portal to everything, has things, the thing that will thing they, thing forever. Oh, but it turns out, I think they put a turn-off key somewhere. If only we could find that... No, they didn't.

No, it's just because you've got to the point in the plot when you go, oh, there's a turn-off key. And then, but now we're in order to get the turn-off key, you must go off and find this, that's a kind of video game thing. But it's all right. I mean, it's rubbish, but it's perfectly innocuous rubbish.

It's not as good as bumblebee. It's better than any of the Michael Bays, and it doesn't have that... WOOOOW! AY! WOOOOW! Thing that Michael Bays had. You look like Benny Hill when you do that. Yeah. And that's exactly how I imagine Michael Bays directing, like Benny Hill with his trousers rolled up going, wooooooah! That's enough of that. Correspondence at Cobernomair.com. If you've seen it or if you've seen anything and you wish to

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