Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Martin McDonagh, Black Adam, Decision to Leave, Matriarch, The Banshees of Inisherin

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

This week Simon speaks to the prolific British-Irish playwright and filmmaker Martin McDonagh about his new irreverent dark comedy ‘The Banshees of Inisherin’. Mark reviews the latest superhero movie ‘Black Adam’ - starring Dwayne Johnson and Piers Brosnan, Park Chan-Wook's new mystery/romance drama ‘Decision to Leave’ - about a detective investigating a man’s death in the mountains,Hulu original horror film ‘Matriarch’ - about a woman who returns home to the secluded village she grew up in to reunite with her estranged Mother, and ‘The Banshees of Inisherin’ - set on a fictional remote island of the coast of Ireland during the civil war, two best friends have a strange falling out. Plus your correspondence, The World Cup Final of horror films draw, What’s On and the Box Office 10.  You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media: @KermodeandMayo EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! A Somethin’ Else & Sony Music Entertainment production.   Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts   To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're delighted to be back again. I'm being King Charles. Oh, you're being Liz Truss. Right. I see. So this was... Oh, I heard this. I'm glad we got to the politics so early.

In case... How's it going? Well... Well... As we're speaking... Liz Truss is still prime minister. So early in case how's it going? Well, well, as, as we Well, let's trust you still prime minister by the time you get this who knows, may well have appointed someone else and that person has

collapsed as well. Because we are an emerging country. It's all going fabulously well, isn't it? So I should, so I should explain that in case you didn't see the particular clip, which was I think released by Bucking Palace, which seems to me an interesting choice of video.

So Liz Truss goes for a second meeting with the King for the kind of regular Teta Teta that the Prime Minister and the monarch always have. Prime Minister Walks in does her ungainly curtsy, and she says, nice to see you again. And the king says, back again, turns away and says, dear, oh dear. And I can understand, but anyway, anyway, so that's what was going. I hadn't seen it. I hadn't seen it. It's sort of like, it's almost like a fast show. Okay. So if you can imagine

someone, sorry, I always feel that we should stop the show and I should just go away and look at it. It sounds wonderful. But it is. But if you can imagine someone who can't curtsy trying to curtsy, I've seen I do that before. Yeah. Well, she does that again. There's a meme on Twitter, which someone's put a heading a ball into a net. Yeah, there is a version of this particular meeting where the Prime Minister comes in and then someone has done cinematic magic with it and then King Charles picks her up, puts her under her arm

and then throws her down in like a judo throw onto the floor, which is all terrific fun. You might just ask seriously, yes. We are in an age of chaos, aren't we? Yes. This is unprecedentedly rubbish. It is, and but at least we know that in the words of D-Reen things can only get better. Yes. Brackets, but they might have to get worse first. As I've always said, with everything that's going on, imagine how much worse it would be if we didn't have strong, stable leadership. Here's the thing, what you mean, chaos in it, and I can't...

Here's the thing, when you're grateful that Jeremy Hunt has arrived, then you know, we're in interesting times. Did you have expressed that? Did you hear Miriam Margles on the subject? I did, here. I love Miriam Margles. I think the whole world loves Miriam Margulies. And can I also say she knew she was on air?

Yes. And also, if you're going to book, I think in future Miriam Margulies will always be pre-recorded. Because it's a bit like so when I've done two interviews with Johnny Rotten, John Liden, and you always know, of course, you pre-recorded it. You never put him on life because every... If you did put him on live, you know, you'd be interested. It's just be apologizing for me. It's all Christmas from now on. Mars Margolis will be a pre-recorded interview. Fantastic.

Anyway, it's very nice to be back again doing another take. Here we go. But before we actually do any reviews, right, or any emails, yes, we have a substantial Halloween live show update. Okay. It was already because I've been as people have been stopping me in the street. So what's the update? They cross the road. Literally. They see me coming and they say, have you got, I mean, they've got any updates. This is what they say. They say, I know it's already sounding tip top mega and smashing.

But have you got anything else for us? So you have, you have. So not only do you get to hear Malcolm Fulf flow going on about the stuff, you can hear the official Lee scary horror film of all time and you get to vote in the World Cup final of horror films, but now you get to hear Bav to winning actor Amy Lou Wood, yes, her off sex education and conversation about her new film Living. You also get to hear our conversation with the one and only Lena Dunham on stage. That's live on stage. I'm going to go for a Catherine Colberti, which we love. And she'll be there with our husband, Louis Felber, who, as you may remember,

Mark reprimanded your factual inaccuracies. I've been told off by him. His contribution to Catherine Colberti. And if you've seen that film now available on Amazon Prime, you'll know how mega the music is. In fact, the whole thing is... That's great. It's great. It's great all the way through. And Louis will be treating us to a foot tapping number

from his Atta Welper project. More will be explained later. You know, an amazing evening. Go to Kermitamau.com. There may be a few tickets left for that show. Monday, the 31st of October at the Indigo. That's the O2 in London. So it's here, Mark, react.

So I'd like to react by just saying, yes, and also I'll be doing stuff. I know you mentioned it at the very beginning, but that's almost become like a footnote. Yes, it's sort of, I'll be doing stuff. It's important to say, as your child too said, make sure you say it's on a Monday. Monday. Because a lot of people might have Halloween things at the weekend on the satin sun, but this is a month.

So this is actual Halloween. So you get to be, not not so you get all of that. Yes. Plus you don't have to be at home answering the door to all the kids going, trick or treat. I've got, you can genuinely be out. I'd like to point out that one of my children, I said, oh, comes a Halloween thing, said, I can't, got a gig, went, went, I said, on Halloween. I said, what, when, Saturday, I went, that's not Halloween.

We are on the Monday, so you can come. It's Monday at the end of go to London Halloween night. It's self-fraised special guests, Mark doing all this stuff. There's lots of Mark. Thank you, Mark. That's a lot of Mark. So much more Mark than you can be. I could bring my harmonica and play with Lewis.

Do you think he'd like that? You can send all emails to correspondentsacerminomeo.com. I can take you to comandomeo.com. What is coming up on this show here right now? I'm going to be reviewing the Rock and Black Adam. Kate Dickie in a new, a horror film. The Rock and Black Adam. I'm going to be reviewing the Rock and Black Adam. Kate Dickie in a new, a horror film. That's sorry, that the Rock and Black Adam. The Rock in Black Adam.

I swear. I swear. I swear. Kate Dickie in a, Mattruck, which is a horror film decision to leave. And, banshees of Inescherin, which brings us to our really special guest. Oh, yes, it does. He is Martin McDonough. He wrote and directed the movie. Of course, it stars Brendan Gleason and Colin Farrell, Kerry Condon and Barry, well, we can say Barry Keone, but also we can say Barry Keegan, which is how he says it. He says Barry Keegan.

Keegan. Yes. And as if that wasn't enough. Monday for the Vanguard, going deeper and deeper, down, down, deeper and down. It's the world of films and film and Jason television with another extra take in which you'll get a bonus review of Adam Curtis's new series of films, which is called Russia, 1985 to 1999, Trauma Zone, which is obviously very timely. Yeah. And he, during lockdown, we talked to him about, can't get you out of my head.

We did, yeah. And there was a terrific interview. And I remember watching all of, can't get me out of my, can't get you out of my head. We did, yeah. And there was a terrific interview. And I remember watching all of, can't get me out of my head, can't get you out of my head in like one day, which was really quite mind-boggling. And we'll be expanding your viewing in our feature, One Frame Back, inspired by the banshees of Inner Sharon.

We've been asking you for your favorite Colin Farrell films. That's just a hard choice, isn't it? There are so many great films. And take it away that you decided, our word of mouth on a podcast feature, Mark is talking about the old man on Disney Plus, which is terrific. Please send your suggestions for elite streaming stuff

that we might have missed, but it's important to you, correspondentscobinameo.com. And as if that isn't even, even, even enough, there's gonna be a take three this week, which is new, new, new. New, new. It's called questions, sm is new, new, new. New, new. It's called questions, smest, have another run of that.

Okay, it's questions, smestions. So we get a fair few emails asking for, you know, film stuff, which is questions. And even more asking about non-film stuff, smestions. Like how do you have your eggs in the morning? Or what do you make of the Revex touring bands? Pick the best one.

If you speak Yiddish, could you record yourself saying questions, questions properly, and then we can turn it into a jingle? Oh, we can use it as the intro. Yeah, we could use it as the intro for the feature. Yes. Great. So, but you have to be able to say it properly, unlike my kind of rather feeble version. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we, of course, invite you to send in or tweet us.

Any or all of your questions or shmessions, as just as it were, can be anything film related? Maybe can you recommend a great film? What's a solid rom-com for a 67-year-old weaver from Peru? What's a great action movie for a new valve vogue? Obsessed film snob, do I? How do I convince a 27-year-old weaver from Peru. What's a great action movie for a new valve vogue obsessed film snob, but do I? How do I convince a 27-year-old doctor's receptionist that the film's a one-car-y offer her? That kind of thing.

When is it acceptable to leave a film? It's a really specific example. Maybe you have a burning question about the state of film viewing in the UK and abroad. Or you may have a non-film related query. Is corduroy acceptable? No. What's the actual difference between we too, Bix,

and the value brand from the supermarket? Why do British people sound like Americans when they sing, but not when they speak? Why does some people put rest at the end of some words, like actress, mayor, smurderess, but not others, like doctorous accountant, dress, politician-ness? But we don't anymore. But why? Why does some words have it and some words don't? They don't, because actresses no longer really impolences it. It is, because there's best actress awards. So they're for you. Well, there is.

Well, there is all there is. Not in all of it. There are several awards ceremonies now in which they don't have best actresses. But the Oscars. Oh, Oscar Schmosker. I mean, for instance. No, no, no, you're saying it. Anyway, carbonamoeu.com, you can tweet his act correspondence at carbonamoeu.

Can I just say Oscar Schmosker was the title of a chapter from a book I wrote 10 years ago. If that all sounds right up your cinema aisle, please do sign up to our premium value extra takes through Apple podcasts, or if one prefers a different platform, then want you to head to extra takes.com. And if you're already a Vanguardista, as always, we salute you. Right. Patrick from Bristol. Van Gardister as always. We salute you.

Right, Patrick from Bristol. Dear with nail and marwood heritage listener, FTE. Good, can I just say, did you notice the with nail and marwood thing? Well, I read it out. Yes, but did you, because I just read them out. But do you know why? No, because that's I in with nail and I is called marwood.

But the name is never used anywhere else in the city. I'm just listening to your most recent show on the way to work wearing a pair of red cords. Hmm. Mark calling them UKIP trousers. Actually, it was me. I, I, I, I call them UKIP trousers. I call them UKIP trousers.

And advising Simon against buying a pair has caused me to have a crisis in my wardrobe. I've worn almost exclusively corduroy trousers for the past five years. and I now wonder if I'm exuding the wrong political ideology through my autumn wear. I find them to be mighty comfortable, fashionable and very versatile. So I have to go against Mark and urge Simon to buy a pair and prove him wrong. So he gets on the down with blue jeans, Patrick from Bristol. Well, yeah, just a great deal was me who called them you, Kows. Yes. And I stand, I do stand by that, even though producer Simon has turned up quite deliberately

provocatively wearing his most Tory trousers that he can find. But he's rocking the black cords. Yeah, he's sort of, he's thinking turn ups on them. He's thinking hipster, I think. That's a hipster affectation. Hang on, are you wearing socks? He is wearing socks, so he's not gone full hipster. It's the no socks and leather shoes, which is the thing that really makes me want to pull people's ears off. Top email from Catherine Breyer's, Vanguard Easter and Insoist's, sanctum.

Can I also say that those socks that just go on your feet till they don't look like you're wearing socks, but we know you're wearing socks. Those are rubbish too. Catherine Breyer's in Soist's sanctum. Referring to your corduroy discussion and your interest in picking up some quirky facts, I can share that the ribs in this fabric are technically known as wales without an H. As in the country, but within, so wales with a small W. These can be considered the

SI units of cord right, the higher the whale number, the greater number of ribs per inch, and the finer the fabric will be. Baby cord is the finest cord at around 18 to 22 whale. Needle cord is typically 14 to 18 whale, standard cord 8 to 13 whale, and jumbo cord, elephant cord. It's not referred to it. It's less than 10 and sometimes even just three whale. Warm regards. Is it actually called jumbo cord, not elephant cord? I've heard other people use the phrase elephant cord. It's this jumbo cord.

Okay. Did you hear about cord roe pillows there? They were making headlines. No, they're making headlines. I mean, headlines, I see, sorry. By the way, do that joke again. Okay, did you hear about cord roe pillows? No.

They're making headlines. By the way, we were joke again. Okay, did you hear about corduroy pillars? No, they're making headlines. But I'm okay. By the way, we were guilty of a terrible error last week. Corduroy has nothing to do. Its derivation is nothing to do with the French. It's nothing to do with the king at all. It's folk etymology and it's not true. But I asked you and you said yes, I know. I know we were both guilty of it, but it's not true.

Corde, it comes from Corde, which is an old French word, and Durey, which is the name of a course English fabric. It's nothing to do with the King in France. In France, oh my mind is blown. Yeah, it's called Vélo à Cotte. That's what it's called. It has nothing to do. Is that translators don't wear this?

Now I think it's velvet on the side, or something like that. That's what it's called. So there is a French way of life. Velvet on the side. It's got nothing to do with the French. It's just the kind of thing that people like us have actually said.

Wow. Anyway, this is such good value. And this is the free one. I feel my whole world has been turned slightly on its side by the fact that it's not Coat of the King. It's not it's not Coat of the King at all Why did we both think it was because it's folk etymology, which is very powerful But it's just not true. Right. Some of those things. Wow. Wow. Anyway correspondents at Kronomau.com Let's do a movie because that's what we have for so matriarch, which is a hula original

Horace on Disney plus here so my ripper is Laura who is an executive type with a bad cocaine and drink habit, has an overdose which appears to finish her off, but then she is revived by a creeping darkness. She agrees to return home to stay with her estranged mum, who is played with glorious relish by the great Kate Dickie. And when she gets there, her mum should be old, but looks like she hasn't changed at all. It's clear that they had a fractious relationship in the past. Laura's past includes abusive trauma to her mother,

said, just words, just words, but something very strange is going on. Is it clear? Mum? Oh, I've messed that word. Say it again. This isn't how I remember it. Things change. You haven't. I never heart you.

Remember when you threatened to take my mouth shut? I want to try to get past. The past? Of course. Your mum asked me to make sure you didn't leave. Just something, have been, something against God. Something... ...has changed another and changed the village. What's happening to me?

Well, bat's office happening. So this is written and directed by a Ben Steiner, who's previously done short, so I think did a segment of a portmanteau feature. And it appears to be playing out in the village that's adjacent to the village that men played out in. You know, it's, but it's maybe the kind of, you know, matriarchal equivalent of that. So on the one hand, it kind of, it revisits a bunch of fairly familiar cult themes that run from, you know, the Wiccoman to Hereditary and beyond. And I should say at the beginning, there's not much in the plot that's entirely surprising.

And at the beginning, it has a kind of, a slightly creaky feel to me, I think, okay, where's this going? Is it gonna find its feet? And then Kate Dickey opens the front door. And you go, okay, I am now I'm on board. And there is the relish with which Kate Dickey plays the role of this mum who looks much younger than she should do. Who has the most threatening way of saying cup of tea?

Which makes it really go, no, I won't have a cup of tea, actually. What I will do is I will get on a plane and go very, very far away. And then it kind of goes increasingly bonkers towards a finale that as I was watching it, I did think, wow, okay, more wow than men. No, I mean, in a different way, no, because men obviously goes full kind of society, Brian Yuzner, sort of, you know, Brian Yuzner, society, you know, shunting the body, the body contortions of the last bit of men. Body, husband, the body, yeah. It's not quite that, no.

And it's, you know, it's, it's, but it's, so it's, it's, it's odd. I mean, it has flaws. It's, I think, quite stilted in places. And I think it, it feels like there is an idea that it's groping towards, that it doesn't quite catch hold of, and there are things in it that don't work.

But at the center of it is this kind of lightning rod performance by Kate Dickie, who whenever you think, okay, I'm starting to lose this, which is, pulls it straight back in again. And it's got enough strange oddness, all of which is kind of as I've refracted through Kate Dickie doing that smiling, hello, say that word again. And you just think,

I honestly, I think that, well, you know, I think Kate Dickey is the greatest actor currently working every other use of actor rather than actress. And she really, she really commands the screen throughout. So it's called Matrix and it is definitely worth watching, worth watching. Worth watching for the moment she opens the door. Still to come on this particular take. Oh, well, we're going to be talking about a Black Adam,

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Yeah. When to see this yesterday, definitely needs to be seen on a cinemas screen to give it full justice, excellent film. And then Shant's to Goodheart, who does sound like they're in the crucible, I think. That would be a fantastic name. Shant's to says, if this film had been called literally anything else, then I would probably have enjoyed it. It's definitely worth catching in cinemas.

However, it's an appalling adaptation. So I was cross throughout. There are several things it ruins. But namely, the film is about the end of the war. If there is one thing that the book is not about, it's the end of the war. Also there is one thing that the book is not about, it's the end of the war. Also, there is a reason the book is called All Quiet on the West and Front

and the film just makes it irrelevant. I don't know why they made all these worthless changes because the book arguably has more set pieces, so it wasn't to make it more interesting. I would say that the book is more anti-war, albeit in a subtle way. This film irritated me so much, so read the book or watch the filmwar, albeit in a subtle way, this film irritated me so much. So read the book, or watch the film, I wouldn't do both.

Thank you, Shantz, the good heart. I think if you're going to remake a film, like I said, all quite in the Western Front, the original, which was the first film based on a book to win the Oscar for Best Picture, I think we're far enough away from the original to take whatever liberties you want. I mean, I take your point about why didn't they just call it something else? Well, because if you'd called it something else

and then made that film, somebody would have written in a annoyed letter saying, I just saw this new film, you know, that's basically all quiet on the Western front. So I think the film's very powerful. I think it is a powerful anti-war film. I think the book is, you know, obviously, and I think that the first adaptation of the film is very powerful. I think it is a powerful anti-war film. I think the book is, you know, obviously, and I think that the first adaptation of the movie is,

but I think it's, um, uh, yeah, I really liked it. I think it should be seen on the big screen. In the box, I was top 10, surprisingly, starting this week at number 10, Emily. It's nowhere in America, but it is 10 here. I really liked Emily, and I was so surprised by how much I liked it, because I knew that it was going to be good, but I hadn't it because I knew that it was going to be good.

But I hadn't quite grasped how much it was going to be passionate and full-blooded and the scene, the mask scene, which has been talked about quite a lot, you talked about it, which reminds me of Onibaba, the Kaneta Shindo film. I just thought, that's one of the creepiest things I've seen this year. I thought that scene was really unnerving. Imogen Rawlinson from Glasgow, just seen Emily. This was the first film I've ever seen by myself in the cinema. Oh wow, good call. Every man in Glasgow. Something I was inspired to do after listening to your review and Simon's interview, what an experience. This film sucked me in in a way

that I wasn't expecting, made me feel everything it wanted me to. Simon's measure of the sound design is just right. Everything I heard during the film felt just perfect and completely mesmerising. I've never heard anything like it before which more films will like this. Absolutely loved it. Certainly the best thing I've seen this year. Take it to Tonkin down with bold patches on corduroy which is obviously one of the main rotations. Number nine is the legend Moliat, which is a... It's an older Jack. Pakistani Pajabi action drama. It is the most expensive, apparently most expensive

Pakistani film to date. I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna try and see it this weekend. Yeah, so that's what I know. And it's at number nine. If you've seen it correspondence at kerbinamayah.com, number eight here, five in America is Amsterdam. Matt Allcock says, Mark and Simon, I went to see Amsterdam, the movie with very little knowledge of what I'd be in force, say for the exceptional cast.

Suffice it to say I was not disappointed, I had a thoroughly enjoyable time. In my view, Amsterdam is a worthy addition to the recent resurgence of high profile, character-led historical dramas like Nightmare Ali, Death on the Nile, See How They Run, and so on. It's always been a delight to watch a movie that doesn't patronize its audience and embraces the opportunity to have some fun. A visually stylish period piece crammed with witty dialogue and scene-stealing performances, you could have done almost anything with the cast of Amsterdam. I don't know, very much enjoyed the film that made it to theaters.

Matt Olcock, thank you. Made me think. So when he says, with the cast of Amsterdam, you could do almost anything. You think that's apps. I wonder what the most adaptable cast you have in... If you had to take the cast of one film and then ask them to make a dozen other films.

You could start with Amsterdam and you could make pretty much most movies, couldn't you? Because it's okay. That's interesting though, isn't it? Think of another film in which you could take the cast and make a science fiction version or make a horror film and it, when the cast would still work. Period drama. Still worth pointing out on a budget of 80 million Amsterdam still around the 1820.

It is going to lose money big time. So the most adaptable cast, you take the cast to one film and then you could cast them in anything. Absolutely, every single genre. Matt, thanks for the email. Number seven, Mrs Harris goes to Paris. Based on a book, as I think we absolutely said last time, which I haven't read, but I have seen the film, and it is,

and I will stand by this entertaining fluff with Jason Isaacs relishing the chance to do a big, lovable and Jason Isaacs performance. Number six here for an America, the Woman King, which I like very much. We had some correspondence about the truthfulness or otherwise of its historicity. Is that correct? Yes, absolutely. It's shaping up as a big Oscar contender. I think Viola Davis is in with a very clear shout for Best Actress, in the word ceremony,

which they still have that category. Indeed, he's also looking like a contender for Best Film, Best Director, and potentially Best Score for Terence Pineshard. Number five in the UK, number six in the States, don't worry, Darling, which is doing okay in cinemas. Interestingly, I think that all the negative publicity didn't help, but nor did it kill it. I think it's an overblown version of the Stepford Wise, but it has some great design in it, and I love Florence Pugh. Ticket to Paradise is number four. On the subject of enjoyable fluff, there's the other one.

If you want to do the double bill of enjoyable fluff, Mrs Harris goes to Paris and ticket to Paradise, we'll tick all the boxes. Smile is number three, number two in the state. Having been a number one hit success, a film which obviously owes a debt to the ring movies and also to it follows, I liked it. I thought it was a good, efficient horror movie that did,

you know, that did the job very well. Speaking of which Halloween ends. A total pile of stinking old pants. And what's interesting, this demonstrates my theory once again, if you want to know how good a film is, it's box office receipts won't tell you. If you want to know where the film is any good, ask people on the way out whether they would have paid for it. I have not yet heard from one person who has seen Halloween ends and has not been disappointed. Correspondence on this. It's number one in America, by the way, number two here. Yeah, of course, but you know. What a freaking stupid movie says Chris.

Again, the themes were clear, but the characters and plot structure were even more bizarre and poorly written. Alison, especially, was so lazily represented by the writers that I knew something had to be happening, just awful. Maybe I was frustrated because no explicit reasoning behind the things that were happening was presented, but I mostly agree with Mark. 100% the prologue was very interesting and I dug the reference to the thing, not just because of John Carpenter, but because the movie they were watching in the original movie was the original, the thing from another planet. And I thought that was cute. And that's where it ended. Alison's dialogue and decisions overall were obviously reverse engineered for the writers

to justify the plot. Laurie's presence meanders, it is unfocused, Cory is ridiculous. I like the will they won't, they side plot of Laurie and Jack hitting it off with each other, but basically that's it. And Luke in Gloucestershire says, I came out of saying Halloween ends on Friday, it was a little disappointed here Mark disregarding the film as business as usual. Whilst I respect his indifference to these two recent Halloween films, I like the first one. I wasn't different about it at all. I like the first one. They were very divisive and flawed in execution. I would hardly describe this odd final chapter in a Verticomers as business as usual. If anything,

it would have likely been a lot more successful with audiences and critics. How did it actually been business as usual? Instead, the film went in an entirely unexpected and bold direction, one which doesn't fully work as a final chapter, but still one I found oddly engaging. Unfortunately, it statuses the final chapter meant the actual finale felt pretty shoe-hawned in. Good in isolation, but so far a boon from anything else the film was going to prior to that. Throw in an unnecessarily high amount of fake-out jumpscares and are not particularly convincing core romance

and this film is far from perfect, but I still appreciate what it tried to do and largely enjoyed it as a result. Okay, so that's the most positive response that I've heard so far. Somebody who thinks it's fundamentally flawed, but they liked the fact that it had to go. And incidentally, on the business as usual thing,

I really liked Halloween the reboot, as I said, at the time, Halloween kills was absolutely terrible. This is slightly better than Halloween kills, but still so far below par as to be. And I will say it again, business as usual. And obviously it's not the final chapter. And obviously it's not the final. And number one, in this country,

number three in the state is Lion Lion Crocodile. Which just goes to show, and I say this every time, if anyone ever complains to me the critics killed my film, no, they didn't. If they did, Lionyle Lyle Crocodile wouldn't currently be number one in the UK box office. Now, I guess on the program today's top director, Martin McDonough, you can hear my interview with him about the banshees of Inesherin after this clip from that very movie. Now, I'm sitting here next year and if you're going back

inside, I'm following you inside and if you're going home, I'm following you there too. Now, if I've done something to you, just tell me what I've done to you. And if I said something to you, maybe I said something when I was drunk, and I forgot it, but I don't think I said something when I was drunk, and I forgot it. But if I did, then tell me what it was. And I'll say sorry for that too, Colin.

Don't be heart, I'll say sorry. Just stop running away from me. You like some fool of a moody school child. But you didn't say anything to me. And you didn't say anything to me. You didn't do anything to me. That's what I was thinking, like. I just don't like you no more. And that is a clip from Martin Madonna's new movie, the Banshees of Innocierin. Have I said that right? Yes, exactly. Written and directed by Martin. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here. I might end up sounding really stupid. So it's 1923.

It's an island off island, Conan Farrell, Brendan Gleason, it's a very Irish movie. The first piece of music we hear is Bulgarian. Right on wrong. Good spot. Yeah, excellent. I heard Paul Simon on the radio in the 1980s play that specific track.

It's the love chant off from an album called Lymia Stair, Dave Wauw, Bulgaria, and it's by the Bulgarian State Radio and Television Female Vocal Choir. And I have loved that piece of music for 30 plus years, and I've never heard it used in a movie. So just explain why you can talk about the movie. but that's Bulgarian that we hear at the beginning. Sugar, that's a very good spot, and you know, the first person he says, notice that it's not some Irish shit. But it kind of, to the English ear, it could be, I suppose.

Exactly, and that's kind of... But it literally was in my head, and I knew that those opening shots of Colin walking through this beautiful island was going to have that tune, because I love it so much. And sometimes you just chuck a weird thing in just because you think it'll be more cinematic than finding an Irish song. But music wise throughout the whole thing with Carter Bowel, the composer too, we didn't want the usual sort of Irish fiddle music background for a score. But no, I love that tune to bits and glad you did too. It's fantastic. I mean, it's like 50 years old or something that recording anyway. And it's on 4 AD records. I remember that as well.

Ah, so like it picks easy. Yeah, so it's something like that. So anyway, enough of the opening kind of like 90 seconds of the film. Could you describe Banchis of IneSharing, please? In its simplest terms, it's just about two blokes falling out. At the end of a platonic love affair in some ways, it's as simple as that. There's a backdrop of obviously of the Irish Civil War across the way, which has sort of, I guess, metaphorical aspects to the story. But really, for me, on set, it was just capturing the sadness of a breakup.

Just on the Irish Civil War thing, why is it 1923? Just to mirror what's going on between these two men, I guess, and to show how dark and awful that seemingly small falling outcome become. The Irish Civil War was fought between two sides who were fighting on the same side a year before and became horrific and bloody and so just to mirror that with these two guys was was was the reason it's there symbolic acrimony a little bit I kind of like with like an audience to kind of come up with their own thoughts about it without you know over explaining it

But for me that's what it was there for you get a good joke out of that as well explaining it, but for me that's what it was there for. You get a good joke out of that as well. Which, well when they're in the pub and they're discussing who's fighting who and who's shooting who, I wouldn't be easier if we were all just fighting English. Like we used to be. Kind of a little rude joke, but it will play well in Ireland. Yes, absolutely. I still got the joke, but maybe it plays less well here.

Can you just introduce it to your two main characters? So it's Coleman, Porek. Yeah. And the kind of personalities they are and the kind of relationship that they used to have before your movie starts. Well, Colin played by Brennan Gleason is a fiddler, a musician, an artist, I guess, if you will.

Porek, played by Colin Farrell, is a local farmer, sort of dairy farmer, and a much more simple lad. And these two guys have been friends for years and years until the morning of the opening five minutes of the movie when Colin literally just doesn't want to be friends with Porec anymore. And it seems there's no real reason for it when we first start out, but the artistic question of wasting time and listening to nonsense from

from a fool or whatever Colin's character is is sort of the impetus of the split. Yeah. Is there one way of looking at the story from a kind of a mental health angle, what you would now characterize as mental health? Column is going to confession and the priest says, how's your despair? And Pirate played by Column Fowell at one stage talking about where the Column is depressed, says he could at least push it down like the rest of us. Yeah.

Is that sort of getting to the heart of what's going on? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. I didn't want to belabor the point, but the idea that the pressure and despair and all those things have always been with us, you know, it's not just the modern. Maybe we talk about it more these days,

but the idea that was always there is definitely a factor in the movie. I mean, the movie's funny too. It's not like a... Some sad sack movie about hopelessness and despair, but it was interesting to talk about that to bring it up. I think I see no reviews saying it's a movie about despair and I think that's possibly true. It is a brilliant film and it is fantastically funny.

And yet when I left the screening and walked to work, I had a profound sense of melancholy. Good, I think. I know, that's what I was thinking. I kind of think you'll be pleased with that. It really kind of hung very heavily on me. Yeah, yeah, good, good. Because it's interesting,

because there's always a lot of laughs during the watching of it. But I have like asked in Q&A's what the feeling at the end of it was. And I was hoping that they'd be hope, but it seems like melancholy and sadness is the thing that you are left with. Which is interesting to me.

I did want it to be a sad film and to be a true full, the picture of a horrible sad breakup with gags. But yeah, as filmmakers always interesting to see exactly what an audience is coming way with and it does seem to be that. And I think that's great. And I'm assuming you wrote it specifically

for Colin Farrell and Bradencus. Yeah, you wanted to, after I'm Bruce, but I've kind of been waiting for you to work again. Well, Inbrouche, you know, it kind of became this cult, wonderful cult-ish kind of thing in the years after it came out. It was sort of well-reviewed here and in Ireland, but disasterously in America, and the reviews weren't great. But in the end of the year, it's kind of found its own audience, I guess. And we always love Brendan Colin and I,

people coming up and saying how much they like it and how much they've taken it to their heart. So we always wanted to get back together. We've remained friends ever since, but we also didn't want to disappoint an in-bridge fan with the next thing. So that was sort of not heavy on our minds. Because with this, we knew it was a very different sort of

film. In-brewage, there's a lot of sadness to it too, but it's genre and it's that there are other aspects to it that this doesn't have. But I like the strangeness of this. We wanted to get back and give something, I guess, to in-brewage fans, but take them on a different journey too. Just want to ask you a little bit about the writing. If you're on set and Conn and Farrell says,

can I just change this line please? What would you say? F right off. It never, so I'm literally... I remember one knows that you're gonna say that but I'm just interested to know why you will never change for that I mean we always have a like two or three week rehearsal process where every line is discussed and played and and and taken apart and put back together so If something isn't working, that's the stage that we would together But if something isn't working, that's the stage that we would together work it out and see if there's something different. I do feel like, and it's coming from being a playwright, but the lines are all there

for a reason. I've usually finished the script a year or two before we start shooting and have gone through all those questions over and over again myself. I always think I'm a better writer and most actors too. So last minute revisions, no adlibs, thanks. But sometimes, and lately I'm trying to get a bit more open to that whole idea. I know working with Sam Rockwell often he'll improvise what happens just before a scene starts to then go into word for word what the scene is, but sometimes you actually use that improv stuff because it's

really interesting too. So I think I am gonna try in the future be more accommodating to that kind of nonsense. And when it's just you and your laptop or however you're writing, could you explain a little bit about how a character which you have created surprises you by how, by the things they say, because there's a crucial scene in Banshees, and I just wonder if you can illustrate that a bit by explaining how it is possible for a writer to be surprised by their own creation. Well, I think everything a good actor brings to it is a wonderful surprise. With this, especially, it's in the offlines,

it's in what happens in the pauses, is sometimes like the heart of what the film is, but it's not there on the page, for instance, how Colin, just in his face, reacts to the news that the other guy just doesn't like him anymore. Like, we just stay with him for like 20 seconds, I think, and it is, just on his face, his emotions go from sort of shock and pain and sadness all in one.

It's those moments of, you hope the actor will bring it and surprise you because you know that's what the whole film is about. For me, it's all about that moment. But when you're actually writing the character, are you surprised by your own lines that a character would walk into the pub? Oh, yes, very much so.

Like, in, there's a threat about half an hour into the film where Brendan comes in and says, if you don't stop talking to me, I'm going to cut my fingers off one by one and give it a try. That's in the trailer, so I think we can say that. We can say that. Even on the page, I didn't know who was going to do that until he came into the pub.

I never plot things through, I never have a treatment, for instance. So that shocked me, hopefully as much as it would shock an audience, hearing it for the first time. There must be quite thrilling when that happens, because it sounds though, okay, this is taking off now, this has a life to it. Yeah, yeah. And I do like that idea of not knowing. I remember on three billboards when Woody Harrelson does that thing, I don't know, I'm talking about that in terms of spoilers, when Woody Harrelson's character kills himself halfway through, I didn't know that was going to happen either. But I don't think that does lend

itself to a good sort of twist. If you don't know what's coming, then hopefully the audience won't. We have lots of listeners' questions, which we'll put in take to. But for the moment, Martin, thank you very much indeed. Thank you, Sam. And I have to say, the listeners' questions are terrific. Martin enjoys engaging with them. that is it's a treat. It's an absolute treat. And you can hear that in take two if you're not a subscriber now is a good time to

sign up. But what an interesting man. And I absolutely love there were so many points in that interview that I thought I love this bit particularly. The fact he won't take any, he takes no notes from the studio. He takes no changes allowed to the script. Because as he said, I'm a better writer than most actors. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway, Banshee's of Innocierin is the movie. There'll be more in Take 2, but Mark has this to say.

Well, I feel that we'll be talking about this for a while because it's obviously a best picture contender. I loved it. I think it's a better movie than in Bruges incidentally. I know people absolutely love and revere in Bruges, but I think this is on a different level. The first thing I want to say is the point that you made about Mr. De... The Mr. De...

...the Wubblehead. ...the Wubblehead. ...so weirdly enough, although we saw the film completely separately, I had exactly the same reaction because, Trieblegalker, I was introduced to through Kate Bush, as I think many people will have done, and they will have known that 4AD album and possibly got to it through Kate Bush. Also, passing around from Andy Kirschel was a huge fan,

and he's shown on Radio One, he used to play, he used to play a lot of it as well. Okay, so if you know that music and of course you go, that's wow, you know, and what a brilliantly sort of off-kilter choice. But here's what I think is important about that. I think that tells you right at the beginning that the film is not just about what the film is about. Because when I hear that music,

I think of it as being transcendent and spiritual and you're introduced to the island but it's telling you that okay there's stuff that's happening on the ground with this something above it. So on the one level the setup has got a kind of element of father Ted to it which is you know remote rural community in which you have an older you know sort of smarter guy who's kind of exasperated by the company of this younger, slightly foolish character with whom he loses patience. But that's just the beginning. Then what happens is it descends into, I just don't want, because when he first goes to his sister, he says, why would he answer the door to me? And she says, as a joke, well, perhaps he

doesn't like you anymore. And then almost five minutes later, I just don't like you anymore, as we heard in the clip. And it's suddenly a breakup. It's suddenly, and that moment that he talks about, when you see on Colin Farrell's face, this look of realization that that's what's going on. And then the threat, which is almost like a fairy tale threat, which is if you come speak to me again, I will cut off one of your fingers, I kind of wanted my fingers. And that may be think of things like that brilliant short movie, vinyl, dirty green vinyl, or it made you think of things like that brilliant short movie vinyl vertigree vinyl Or it made you think of like the brothers grim. It's a kind of mythical thing if you speak to me I should cut off one of my fingers and I am a fiddle player

So that's the break up thing which is you know I just and when when Barry Kiggins character says what is he 12? You know because it is a child you're moping around like a schoolboy But it's exactly like that and yet because it is a chalene, you're moping around like a schoolboy, but it's exactly like that. And yet, behind it is something more philosophical, which again, you spoke about in the interview, which is that what's actually driving that is existential despair and the awareness of death. The reason that this has happened is that Brendan Gleason's got to call him suddenly

has become aware of his own mortality and is worried about being forgotten in death. He says at one point, nobody remembers nice, but everyone knows the name of Mozart, to which Porek Brillian says, well, I don't, so that puts that theory to bed. But it's really about somebody being consumed by the vanity of despair, consumed by the realization that they are going to be obliterated and they're not leaving anything behind. And that obliterating despair, making them do the one thing they shouldn't do, which is turn their back on nice, turn their back on the person who has always been seen as one of the good guys. And I do think there are the confessional scenes, which obviously, you know, they're comedic, but they're also actually getting to the heart of this. You

meant yourself mentioned, how are you doing with the despair? How's that happening? That is at the heart of it. It is about somebody confronting their own mortality and obliteration and reacting to it with this completely absurd, I'm just going to do something that I will be remembered by and therefore I will turn my back on everything else. However, what that doesn't capture is the first 35, 40 minutes of the film, I'll laugh out loud funny. I mean, I have not laughed in a cinema so much in a long time. And I was in a, in

cinema on my own with just me in the security guard, okay. And at the end of it, the security guard said, you really enjoyed that, didn't you? I said, I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I think the performance is a great across the board. I think the performances are absolutely perfect. I think that Kerry Condon is fantastic as the, you know, the smarter sister who, Brendan Gleason's character, keeps saying to her, look, you understand this because she does. She does understand that, you know, she's confined by the surroundings. There's at one moment when he says, I just don't have time for dullness in my life anymore. She says, you live on an island off the coast of Ireland.

And Barry Kyrgan, however, is just... He's such a remarkable actor. And there is this heartbreaking mirroring going on that in the same way that Colin thinks that Porek is too stupid for his time now. Porek thinks that Dominic, the very human character, is the stupidest person on the island. And what we see tragically is that absolutely is not true. He is, you know, I mean, it's all there in the writing. It's all there and he's the person who says, you know, faint heart never, or he's the person who's quoting those illusions.

So I think it's really funny. I think the use of music is really, really smart. I think it is about something very profound, which is the approach of death and the fear of obliteration. And I would say, excuse me for saying this, that is what the exorcist is about. I think it is one of the funniest films I've seen in recent memory and I loved your interview with Martin McDonald and I think it's just great. And also it looks like a mere or a film made by dryer and yeah, sorry.

The trailer is basically making, well, it's got all the gangs in it. Is it okay? So what you get it and it is and it is that funny, but what you don't get is that heart of darkness, which is really, it's really very, very present. And as he said, it's very interesting. He didn't know what people were going to take away, but he said, listening to people, what they've taken away is that sense of despair

and melancholy whilst it is very funny. Plus, it mentioned in passing this movie and Amsterdam have women smoking pipes. And it hasn't been reported. And in this particular movie, the woman smoking a pipe is basically death. Which she certainly looks like she looks like she walked off the set of the seventh seal and went, I'll just take a seat here then.

Can you find me someone who looks like a witch because they need to represent death? Anyway, did you like it as much as I did? I did once I had recovered from my... Malancholia. Yes. Exactly. I would say, also, if you want to hear more, there'll be your very good listless questions with Martin Macdonough, which will be in take two. Can I just say the take two interview is spectacular, not least, because Martin Macdonough really answers the questions honestly.

Okay, so that's still to come. Let's bring you up to date with the Halloween World Cup of Horror Draw. We're coming to the semi-finals, things are getting serious. Time for some music, I think. It once again I'm joined by Dr Mark Kermord all through the radical ethical and political implications of modern British and American horror fiction. Hello Mark.

Hello Simon. Let's quickly run through the results of the quarter final. Yes okay. Get out versus jaws. Jaws is the winner by 69.8% to 30.2% which I predicted. Jaws goes through The shining played the Oman the shining was the winner 77.3% to 22.7% again as predicted because that often tops the polls Psycho beat the thing. No, sorry the thing beat psycho 53.4% to 40. I think I called that role. I think that I said it was very close, but there we go.

And then alien beat the exorcist, 68 to 32%. You may have heard on the news. I think it was the user 10. And the 10 o'clock news on the BBC, Chris Mason was talking about it. The very stable genius Mark Kermod immediately tweeted, stop the steal and incited hardcore, exorcise Z's to march on take headquarters,

where such groups has the 32% as the proud boys of Georgetown, the Carus Oathkeepers, Regan's Patriots, Father Mary and First and the power of Christ's compelters, attempted to storm the building, only none of this actually happened marked, tweeted very graciously and accepted the result. Which is what you do if you're a grown-up.

Precisely. So here accepted the result. Yes. Which is what you do if you're a grown-up. Precisely. So here's the thing. The Alien 168, 67.8% to the Exorcist, 32.2%. That's just how elections work. And that's fine. And the Alien is a very, very fine movie about which I also made a documentary. Everyone knows how much I love the Exorcist, but I think more importantly, I love the democratic process. The democratic process.

The democratic process. And so, yes, congratulations to it. And I'm very, very glad that Alien is therefore going into the... 70 final draw. 70 final draw. So we have... So ball number one is jaws. Ball number two is the shining.

Ball number three is the thing. And ball number four is alien. Okay. So, literally, we're going out of this. We're going to get two winners that are the final. Yeah. Okay, everyone's going on the floor. Well Simon is picking it up. I just like to take this opportunity once again to say if you are taking part in a voting process in which you do not accept the outcome of the vote unless you win the whole studio is falling apart, you are a crettin and a danger to society, and you should not be allowed anywhere near any form of reins of power.

That's how it works. Everyone in any election should be asked as a prerequisite of taking part. Will you accept the results? And if the answer is not yes, go speak to Martin Macdonor about the F-wood. Yeah, now to plug my head fence back up. Well, we've done so much better. I mean, to the other side of the studio, because the horror tron through the ball area.

They're going to lose all of that, all the way. Okay, ball number two is the shining. Yes. He's going to play... Number four, Alien. Yeah. Okay, so the shining against the alien. Against the aliens.

The jaws. The jaws, that's right. Against the soul. Number one is the jaws. You can dropping the bowl. Come on. Just take it out. There's only one ball left.

Well, like mint imperial's. Alien. Alien to play for. Okay, so the shining plays alien. And the jaws plays the thing. Okay. Okay. Okay, I can't call either of those two, and I'll be very... I mean, generally in polls, what happens is

that the shining wins in horror, because people say, aliens, oh yes, if I can just answer this, they say, aliens not horror film, it's a science fiction film. Yeah, that's why when preparing for it, Ridley Scott watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, it's a horror film and a science fiction film. It's perfectly possible to be both.

So that completes the draw for the semi-finals of the 2022 World Cup of Horror. Ties will be played on Sunday the 23rd of October and the final will be decided by the live audience. And all this is going to be at the Indigo in London, at the O2 on Monday week. Can I add one other thing? Yes.

When Alien was initially released in cinemas, one of the lines used to publicize it was, it's the exorcist in space. That works. That's very good. Excellent. So come along that's pretty good. Excellent. So, come along, get your tickets, and we will see you for the grand show on the 35th. Are we doing cosplay?

Well, are we doing cosplay? I'm cosplaying. Outfits are going to be provided, then I'll listen to you. I mean, I'm only doing... I've got a William Shatner mask ready to wear. Well, I wear a mask if someone buys me a mask. I've got the most... I'm gonna bring it... I have got the most brilliant mask for you.

Is it Ronald Reagan? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no again into our very popular laughter lift. Back again. Dear idea. Hey, hey Mark, so as I'll just be mentioning, just a week to go until our horror spook tackler. So the slaughter lift continues. which works on the page, but not when set out loud. So hey Mark, you know Vlad the Impaler, or Vlad Dracula, or son of Vlad, Dracula, three times,

Voy Vod of Wallachia, an inspiration for Bram Stoker's all-time classic horror character, Crown Dracula. Yes, he loved to impale. It was his favorite. You know all that Mark of course, as a horror aficionado, but did you know that he had a younger brother

of a somewhat feeble constitution? In fact, he was forced to. I can see where this is going. I've already seen where this is going. Wait, go on, Sput. Go on. Five foot two, chronic asthmatic who like nothing better than to wander the castle grounds

whilst weezing, hello clouds, hello sky. What was his name, I hear you ask? Vlad the inhaler. No, you say what was his name? What was his name? Vlad the inhaler. I'm sorry, that was like Bell's whistle signal boxes. Apologies to mathematics,

very insulting to asthmatics. Anyway, what do you call a pig that tries to suck your blood? That's right, Mark, a hamper. And hey, Mark, I went for a test the other day at the doctors. She said, good morning, Mr. Mayo, do you know your blood type? Very strange, I thought, yes, it's red and wet, like everyone else is.

What's your blood type, weirdo? I got thrown out. Anyway, what's still to come up? Oh, we're going to be reviewing Black Adam, which is the new superhero movie, and also what else is coming up? Decision to leave. Decision to leave.

Is that a Brexit? I don't know. It's not a Brexit film. I don't want to say that. It's a new park chat book. OK. We'll be back after this, unless you're a Vanguard East in which case your service will not

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sun? Visit your local travel agent or... And we're back. Here's an email, top email, correspondence to kermanemail.com. This from Karen. A long term listener, first time emailer from Essex was heartened to hear about Mark sitting on the floor whilst the dog sat on the couch. We are a dog-loving family. We've spent many happy hours watching films on the sofa with our feet on the labrador in the pouch. However, we now

dog sit for our daughter's dog, a pug, when she is out for the evening. However, we now dogsit for our daughter's dog, a pug when she is out for the evening. The dog, called pudding, jumps onto the TV stand and tries to get involved with any dog horse or green space where a dog or horse might be. I'm ashamed to say that we now limit our viewing to animal free films to avoid such incidents. I'm looking forward to seeing dog with Channing Tatum one day soon. The website, I didn't know this existed. The website does the dog die. It is very useful. Yeah, it is. It is very, very useful. When we complained to our daughter about this, she sympathized saying that she had taken a year to complete the witcher, as she had to run everywhere. She could not use the horse because of pudding.

I wonder if anyone else edits their viewing in such a way. I love the podcast, this character. What in actually I'll keep this coming after this second email from Ben Green in Sheffield. Dear Turner and Hooch, following on from Lassox's discussion about watching films with your dog, our Italian Spinoly Hugo will frequently sit and watch films with us. However, if a particular scene is not his taste, he will proceed to make a very dramatic exit from the living room. I like that you have a dog flouncing out. If a scene contains human on human violence, sex or war noises, Hugo will get up from his... So why I love is the fact they can't tell the difference between them. So are they fighting or are they cuddling in a special way? Exit the room, stage left, stop at the bottom of the

stairs, turn around to give my wife and I a look of utter contempt before finally trotting upstairs to seek respite from the offensive scene. I'd be interested today if any other listeners have a dog with such discerning taste for movies. It's good. Tinkety Tonka down with trickle down economics, Ben Green in Sheffield. Attached is a photo of Hugo watching the Godfather Part III in Hugo's movies. It's good. Take it, you're talking down with Trichle Down Economics, Ben Green, and Chef, I'll attach to this photo of Hugo watching the Godfather Part Three in Hugo's opinion, the weakest film in the trilogy. Very good. And here's the thing, I remember doing a piece when I was on the light program. We got an expert on who basically said that it is not possible for

dogs to see what's on the television. Their vision cannot comprehend. And yet clearly, this is anecdotal, the evidence is to the contrary, because so many people have these stories where they do respond to. I know. I know. Science, schmiance. And can I also say on the subject of something that I've now completely forgotten, what was I going to say? Oh, yes. On the subject of dogs in take two, we are going to be talking about the old man, which has spectacular. Oh, the best dogs of all time. The best dogs on the bed, dogs on the sofa, just dogs.

Yes. Are they beautiful and look very sweet? Yes, they are. Could they kill you? Yes, also. Yes, they take out the intruder with a silencer. Absolutely. Also, also that. But I would be because I do find it, because clearly, many owners think their dogs can see and react to stuff that's on the screen. It's not just the sound that they are looking at. That's right. Other animals. And then that's the case. The scientists

say, no, it's not possible. So anyway, correspondence at Kervet M.com We will get to all kinds of interesting items in a moment. But first of all, rocking black Adam, I think, is how you've introduced it. Yeah, so this is the latest DC origins film, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, who was So this okay Dwayne the Rock Johnson was an exec on Shazam, in which the character of Black Adam was originally due to appear and then they decided to make it stand out, stand alone movie. I have to confess, I'm at the point when I've lost track and I don't actually care that much. Also, the title does sound like Black Adam.

Yes, I know. So, some pull was are really sung that stuff. He's so good at singing. So, you know, he's... Okay, Antihiro from ancient Middle East and city of Kandak, which in the modern days become overrun by mercenary gangs. He's been stuck in a sacred mountain for ages, but is now unleashed. It is a force of destruction so therefore draws the attention

of the Justice Society of America led by Pierce Brosnan's Doctor Fate who can see the future. All this Hodges Hawkman, who looks a bit like a hawk, Nurse Intonay is Atom Smasher who looks like a giant version of Deadpool, Gris-Swindale's Cyclone also, via the Davis reprising her role of Amanda Wall of the Suicide Squad films. So she has Adriana Tomas, who's a professor, resistance fighter, and people who were afraid with DC will know the character. And I'm on her son who's rescued, kind of drives the plot. But he's a clip.

Fade now, I'll take the lead. Listen, I used to hang back till we call you. Where the hand-ville, you're with the Anneville you're the hammer you're ready Are you just dropped you on Here's pros and put on a thing put on a helmet and he disappeared. Oh, no, no, no, that's magic Okay, so this is directed by the same guy who directed the showersalas, which I liked, a bunch of Liam Nieson movies, which I wasn't so crazy about. And most recently, Jungle Cruise, which of course starred Dwayne, the rock-johnson, who,

as you know, I'm a huge fan of it. Yeah, and also generally, a very sort of winning screen presence. But, so I went in with this thing and get,, it's a re-teaming of those two and the last thing they did together, which was, you know, as I said at the time, if you're going to have a movie based on a, you know, essentially a writer, then this is the one to do it. And I have now got to the point, however, when at the end of this, when there is a, you know, a credit sequence and a character turns up from, you know, it might as well have been ambush bug because I just don't care anymore.

So I understand that part of this is that I think that I've lost patience, but on the plus side, it is very good that in the kind of, in the post black Panther era, the, you know, the kind of, the general sort of white washing of superhero movies. I think that that period has now finished, or at least it is in its last throws and people are understanding that, you know, everything is changing too late, but it is changing.

And that's a good thing. And there is a diverse cast in the case of this particular movie. The problem with it is, is just the central stuff about the explaining the plot and the stuff about the Eternium and then the thing about it was the thing and then he was buried in the watsit and then he came out and then it starts with kind of action sequences which are all crashy smashy.

The stop go, this stop go action thing, action sequences have turned into like people voguing. You move and stop. You move and stop. You move and stop. You move and just come at Donna video. It's like a series of poses with a little bit in the middle. And it's just become really tedious. I think there's one moment in it in which a character says,

I'm going to say a word and then I'm just never say it again. And they say the word and then 10 minutes later, they say it again. If you went to the Lou before they said the word and did the thing that they must never say the word again, shazam. Oh, okay. But then they must never say it again. And if you went for a pee, you could not only miss them saying, I must never say this again, but miss them saying it again so they can be just being the exact same place that

you were before. The score is thunderous. There's a bit when it's kind of quoting, paint it black, which, you know, the Rolling Stones, which then gets turned up and just seems sanded awfully lame. It's very big. It's very noisy. No shot last more than, you know, a, a, a 20 second. Everything blows up all the time.

And I, look, I, I understand. And I have always said this, there comes a point when you lose patience with something and you think okay I should probably retire and I did think watching black Adam, maybe it's me but this is just a bunch of stuff now and I don't care about any of it. bunch of stuff now and I don't care about any of it. When you mentioned Dwayne the rock, who I really like, you and I probably the only people who instantly recall a very strange moment when he came on the show in a previous incarnation and we were recording it at the BBC's Millbank Studios which is where all their Westminster staff are, who do all the daily politics. Yeah, absolutely.

Because John Pinar and Chris Mason and Norman Smith and all those guys, and they're there, and then the rock, who is obviously enormous, walks through. And also who exudes star quality, exactly he does. And heads turn. Everyone turn. You know, hang on, we're expecting Jeffrey Howe and who have we got?

We've got this amazing Hollywood star. Anyway, so, despite all that. Yeah, despite all that. It's, you know, all the best stuff is the rock doing a few quips. But, you know, if you look, for example, at the Gimangie reboots, they work because he's funny. This, if you look, for example, at the Jumanji reboots, they work because he's

funny. This, if you look at Jungle Cruise, it works because, because you're funny. This is just, and I completely accept, incidentally, that this may simply be, and I, you know, maybe a particularly in the same week that I saw Banshee's of Innocier, and maybe I am just aware of my own mortality and aware that my moment has passed. I just watch Black Adam thinking, I don't care. It's just stuff. But there's also so many of them. There's just so many superhero films that it's hard to to piece.

I always used to, I bridal again. I mean, why shouldn't there be so many Western, so many science fiction? I don't, I don't have a problem with superhero films. I have a problem with superhero films in which I don't give a monkeys about anything. Correspondence at Kermanemau.com, particularly if you do give a monkeys. Okay, what's on now? This is where you email us a voice note about your festival or special screening

from wherever you are in the world. You send it to correspondentsatKermanemau.com. We start in New Jersey. Hello, Simon and Mark. This is Jeremy Lentz, Executive Director with the Teenac International Film Festival. The Film Festival with his social conscience. 17 films in seven days, November 13 through the 20th

in Teenac, New Jersey. Info at teneckfilmfestival.org. G'day, Mark and Simon. It's shorn from the new van queer film festival here. From October 20th through 27th, we'll be screening a collection of Queensland premieres in Brisbane, Australia. Our opening night film is The Divide, which won the queer palm in competition it can. We'll also be screening please, baby please, starting the irresistible Andrea Rizbo, I hope some of you can make it.

So that was a fairly unique pronunciation of Andrea Rizbo. Rizbo? But I always funny was that I'm kind of almost losing confidence in the pronunciation halfway through the last vowel, because we've all done these. She's Andrea Rizbo. Yeah. And I guess, and it's like a movie.

You really like it. And the film co-stars Barry Cume. But also, you do hear Eddenburg, particularly from America. It's not quite sure I had to do the barra bit. That is my favorite feature on the show. And I love it when people bring up other festivals and leave those messages. And thank you so much. It really puts us bringing myself said particularly with all the news

of everything that's been happening recently with Edinburgh and the film, I said everything, it's just thrilling to hear all these festivals going on. They also don't ring in, by the way. No, whatever. What do people do now? They put a voice note on an email. That's what they do.

They can't ring in just at the moment. Sorry. Maybe we should have a phone line, but at the moment it's not. I thought that's how it worked. Correspondence at www.com.ford.com I did actually think that's how it worked. Correspondence at KermannMau.com for you. I did actually think that's how it worked. What you thought people rung in, even though I say every week you email a voice note.

I don't listen to you. I don't listen to you. Somehow it still works. So we had Jeremy and Sean, thank you very much. Be a part of Mark's favorite part of the podcast. Send your 22nd audio trailer about your event wherever it is to correspondents at Kermanemau.com. A couple of weeks up front will be really nice. Okay, what else is out? So, um, decision to leave, which is South Korean mystery romance from Park Chanwook,

who made the original old boy, um, the vengeance trilogy, um, and then 2016's handmaiden from the Sarah Watson-Ovelle fingersmith, which won the BAFTA 4 foreign language film. With this, part one, best director at Cannes, and the film is South Korea's entry for the 95th Oscars. It's funny, it's only still fairly recently that parasite kind of made history by winning, you know, international picture, with four Oscars, best intellectual picture,

and best Picture. And that idiot Trump went, can't we get crammed in the wind back? Because he's a moron. So the plot is this of Noirish plot. It centers on a married detective, Hadoo, who is investigating a widow, Sierey, who is tied up with his latest investigation

and with whom he becomes infatuated and perhaps more. The investigation is into a rock climber who felt to his death that he fooled, that he jumped, was he pushed. There is a very interesting use of cell phones in the investigation of the mystery. The film stars Park Heel and Tang Wei, the latter of whom is the Chinese actress who first rose to fame really internationally in Angli's lost caution. Here is a clip, as I have to explain this every week, in case you're listening at the part of the podcast, we made a decision that even if a film was not in the English language, we would play clips because people get a sense of the film from that. So here is a clip 우리가 걱정했어요.

매진내 죽을까봐. 맞습니다. 저보다 한국말 잘하시네요. 그래서 그냥 뭐지? So just to fill in what was happening there, they were showing the herring or the anti-herring, the body of the man, the husband, who has fallen, all pushed from the mountain. And she says, he says, you must be shocked. He said, I'm not shocked because I always thought that he might die at last. And then I says, at last, your career is better than mine

because she's Chinese and she's arguing that she's the use of language is incorrect, but the phrase at last has an implication in it. OK. So this is written by Park and Chung-soo Kyun. And it's got a very sort of twistedly contrived narrative that keeps wrong footing the audience in classic noir mode, you know you feel that you know some but you don't trust them but maybe you do trust them. And it's also about the way in which you know

desire can be misleading, the way in which people can be played but they can be played willingly which clearly is a theme of handmaiden. Now I'll be clear about this. I don't think this is as good a film as handmaiden. I thought handmaiden was really remarkable, but it does have that similar kind of erotic tension. It looks absolutely fantastic. I mean, it's so beautifully designed. Great musical score by Choyum work, which really kind of plays up the Hitchcockian aspect of the duality, the tense duality that runs all the way through. And it's easy to see why part one best director for it, because it is very, very well-directed. I would argue that it's better directed than it is written.

I also am aware that there are certain things going on in the language that I'm not really fully appreciating, because obviously I'm working from the subtitles. But it's a very, very well-made film, not for me on a par with Handmaiden. And this part of me that kind of still has a handkilling for the days when Park made kind of very sleaze to leave violent movies that we go, wow, did you see that?

But it's a fine piece of filmmaking, and I think it'll do very well. Does anyone at any stage say your decision to leave is the source of all your problems? And if you hadn't left, everything would be better. You know, I felt that was the subtext, but that is naturally said. I was just checking.

It's not said out loud. No, okay. But there is a point of cover which I discussed whether the decision to leave should be overturned, or whether we could all go back in the time machine having discovered that it was all completely corrupt. But just checking.

It's the end of take one production management general all round stuff, Lily Hambley, Cameron's Teddy Riley videos on our tip top YouTube channel, Ryan Amirah. Studio engineer Josh Gibbs, Flynn Rodham is the assistant producer, guest researcher, Sophie Yvonne. Hannah Toolbitt is the producer, redactor, and chief Simon Paul Mark. What is your film of the week as if we don't know already? Well, it's Banshee's are in the show and I think that is going to be one of my films of the year. Next week, Harris Dickinson, talking about his new film, Ruben Osslin's The Triangle of Sadness. Thank you for listening. Our extra takes with a bonus review. A bunch of recommendations,

and more Marta McDonough will be available on Monday. Thank you for listening.