Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Shrink The Box, Plane, Unwelcome, All The Beauty and The Bloodshed, & The Fabelmans

Episode Date: January 27, 2023

Ever wondered why Tony Soprano's therapist stuck with him? Simon and Mark chat with friend of the show, actor/comedian Ben Bailey Smith, and psychotherapist Sasha Bates about their new podcast ‘Shrink the Box’ where every week Sasha and Ben give listeners the chance to delve into the psyches of their favorite fictional film and tv characters.   Mark reviews Steven Spielberg’s semi-autobiographical coming of age drama ‘The Fablemans’, ‘Plane’ stars Gerrard Butler who finds himself in even more danger after he is forced to land a commercial plane on an island in the Philippines, ‘Unwelcome’ a new horror film about a couple who are gifted a house in rural Ireland that isn’t what it seems, and ‘All the Beauty and the Bloodshed’ - the new Oscar nominated documentary directed by Laura Poitras which explores the life of artist Nan Goldin and her takedown of the Sackler family. Time Codes (relevant only when you are part of the Vanguard): 13:51 All The Beauty and The Bloodshed Review 18:54 Box Office Top 10 33:16 Shrink The Box with Ben Bailey Smith and Sasha Bates 48:54 The Fabelmans Review 58:35 Laughter Lift 01:02:42 Plane Review 01:09:37 Unwelcome Review EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media, @KermodeandMayo A Somethin’ Else & Sony Music Entertainment production.    Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts   To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Trying to escape the holiday playlist. Well, it's not gonna happen here. Jesus' season for a vacation Fa la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la With sunwing seasons of savings on now, why not ditch the cold and dive straight into sun? Visit your local travel agent or... Sunwing.ca Sunfibas Sunfibas

How was the Arctic Circle then? It was, it was weirdly enough, the temperature in Tromso was the same as the temperature here, not true. I checked that when I woke up on Saturday morning knowing that you were in the Arctic Circle. And it was warmer in the Arctic Circle. Right. In the southeast of England, it was like minus six and you had like minus one or two or something. I know. So what's the point of going to the Arctic Circle if

it's going to be warmer than the southeast of England? It was very lovely. We went through Oslo which was minus 17. Oh okay. So we did have a white out in Oslo. But yeah, so we played a city girl which is the Murnau film, in this beautiful old cinema, it's one of the oldest cinemas in the world, and it was fabulous. We got a big Norwegian standing evasion, because there ain't no love party, like a trumps-o-love party.

So, what, so a Norwegian standing evasion? Yes. Were you like an exotic curiosity from out of town? I believe that's my role most of the time. But it was great. Neil Brown was fantastic. Then we did a gig in a record store. They got a really good vinyl record store,

which also does gigs. And then we did a... Still in Tromso. Still in Tromso. And then we did a gig at the end of the festival, in which there's a great big arena in which they had a whole bunch of bands that were playing, because there was a lot of people accompanying sort of silent films.

Tromsau Film Festival was absolutely wonderful, really, really wonderful. So it's my second time there now and they said, will you come back? And I said, well, if you invite us back, I got to introduce Banshee's of Inner Sharon, which hadn't opened there yet. And it was the weirdest thing. They asked me to choose a film and they suggested Banshee's. I thought it was like a retrospective They asked me to choose a film and they suggested Banshees. I thought it was like a retrospective thing, but so I introduced it, and I said for the, you know,

people have seen it, I know it was opening the next week. So I introduced Banshees of Inisher and just before it got all these Oscar nominations. And the weirdest thing is, I'm gonna film critics, I have nothing to do with the film. I just, I didn't even interview the director, you did. But I introduced it and everyone was really nice, like thank you for bringing this, I didn't bring it.

It was nothing to do with me. You could take all the glory. I could also, my life has now been ruined because this morning, I woke up, came down. That's 50. Yeah, came down to, rather nifty, down to an incubator, 30 minutes later, the present tense and past tense of that song intertwined unusually. A little squeeze sidebar. We were talking, so we started talking about the fact that your child three had said,

isn't it interesting that in, up the junction, the time frame will change within a single who is very interested in it. Right, which is fascinating. And then you went, oh, the other day on Greatest Hits, well, you were used to going with a little Nikki Horn. Somebody had played Empire State Human. I played Empire State Human. You played it, and I said...

Tall, tall, tall. Big as a whole whole one. And now I can't get that out of my head. It is a great word. It is an absolute earworm, and that's all I can hear now is... Tall, tall, tall, Dental, that old, bowl, bowl, Biddle, that old little old tall little little kid says he wants to be tall 60 times in three minutes

that's the way it goes. Is he tall? Philokia is like normal size as far as I know I have interviewed him but I just think he was normal as far as I'm defining concept of normal he's neither tall nor small as one is him. No, the's neither tall nor small. That's one, is that? No, either tall, tall, tall, nor small. No, small, small, small, small. He's not like a wolf. I'm normal, mold, mold. That doesn't work, does it? Anyway, are you tempted to go further north?

Or is Trump so? Is Trump so the most north you've been? Yes. We went to get a vegan burger in the Burger King when we first got there, because it was somewhere I knew we could get vegan food, because they're quite a meaty, fishy culture. And apparently it is the most northerly Burger King in the world. Are you tempted to go further north though?

I'd like to. I mean, do the show in Greenland. Yeah, is that further north than Tronso? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Our team are even now not checking that out. Okay, fine. I know, I'd love to. Can we go to Greenland? Well, all think so. I don't know. Our team are even now not checking that out. I know, I'd love to.

Can we go to Greenland? Well, all of it. All of it. Yeah. There's a Gerard Butler film coming up this week as well on the subject of Greenland. I should say, by the way, that we were going to have Stephen Spielberg on the show today.

He's not on the show because apparently he's been poorly and he's gone back to LA where he can continue to be poorly, but he can be poorly where it's warmer and whether your awards judges give you more nominations. Plus, also, if you've got a ranch and you've got warmth, you'd probably hop on a jet and go back home, wouldn't you? I would think. Anyway, which is a shame because we had lots of fantastic listening questions for Steven Spielberg.

So what we could do, you could ask me and I could pretend to be Steven Spielberg. I've still got the questions. Okay, well, we'll do a little... We'll pitch me a couple of soft balls, I'll do them. Okay, well, when we get to the interview section, we'll do that. But we have got, not as an alternative, because we were going to do this as well anyway, Ben Baby Smith, him of this parish, filmmaker, turned psychotherapist Sasha Bates, also co-hosts of a new podcast

on the take channel because we've got a channel mark. We've got a channel? Anyway, this show is called Trink the Box. It's an in-depth examination of some of the most popular and complex TV characters of all time, such as people like Tony Suprano and Omar Little from the wire, Fleabag from Fleabag. Well, to white. That kind of thing.

Anyway, so we'll be talking to Ben and to Sasha. We will not be talking to Steven Spielberg, but I will be putting some of the Spielberg questions to me, to Mark. Yes. What are the movies that we're going to be examining? It's a really interesting week. There is a new Gerard Butler film, as I may have mentioned.

There is all the beauty in the bloodshed, which was just Oscar nominated, the Laura Puchas film. There is the Fable Mons, which we were just mentioning, which is the Steven Spielberg film back which I will be taking your questions. And also unwelcome, which is a folk horror comedy oddity. Say that again. Folk horror comedy oddity.

That's quite a trying combination. Let's find that, shall we? I think the answer to that is yes. Plus also, our extra takes, you get, it says you're an extra 90 minutes of this nonsense. I'm not quite sure we can manage 90 minutes. Oh, I think we can. Are you coming? Well, I think we can. Can we? Well, I've got some extra reviews to do.

Okay, yes, extra reviews. Pretentious. Well, currently, it's the people nine, mark six. I think you, I think it's quite a tough one this week as well. Okay. Really, after last week was like one sentence with the names taken out. Yeah, it's worse this week. And you decide, which is our word of mouth on a podcast feature, talk about the last of us,

it's where you've suggested stuff, but I think we, everyone that needs talking about the last of us. So we are going to be talking about the last of us. We're going to be joining about the last of us. You can spot us via Apple Podcasts. I head to extratates.com, by the way, you should say just to be absolutely clear here. Very clear. Yeah, so clear I'm hitting these pieces of paper.

Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot.

Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot.

Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. Very hot. That's what I call take two. On Tuesday, you get an ad-free shrink the box, Wow. More of which in this particular, now. And then on Wednesday, you get take three. Thank you very much for the questions and indeed the shmestions.

There is one particular shmestion which has led to a lot of brow furrowing, which we'll get to, but you'll pick that up on Wednesday. So take one and take two available now. Add three shortly box available on Tuesday. Take three available Wednesday. If you're wrong with a borrowed brow. If you're a Vanguardist to already, as always,

you are the essence of humanity, and we salute you. We both salute you, but Mark didn't say. No, I say we salute you, I was just laughing at you at the essence of humanity. Well, that might be slightly pretentious. Yeah, I'll say. Precisely. And one of this week's emails has been written by a robot.

An AI? Yes. OK. It's been written by our new robot overlords. And do we not know which one? I know which one, but you have to try and work out which one. Okay. It is. Okay.

Is it going to be the one that you're about to read out? Well, obviously, if I was going to tell you that, then you would go, it's the one that you're just about to read out and then that would be the end, but it might be the second one. Okay. Could be the third one. So one of the emails has been written in the generated by an artificial intelligence.

One of them in the show in which we're about to start. Okay. Okay. Which there are a number of emails. Okay. And if I spot it, what do I win? If I spot it, do I get an extra lot on the... You get a lolly. Pretentious what? No, you get a lolly.

You get a lolly. Robot overlords. Well, management, a robot overlords. Yeah, I know. You know the guy who directed unwelcome directed robot overlords? Oh, really? Yeah, completely know. You know the guy who directed unwelcome, directed robot overlords. Oh, really? Yeah, completely coincidentally.

And Oli Yokkonen, who I believe is in Helsinki, dear Netherlands and Scandinavian Netherlands. That's you. Yes, I know. I trust the seam I'll find you in good spirits and in possession of all your toes. On the subject of unusual sports, I give you the finished sport of wife carrying.

Also known here as Yukon Kanto. As a fin, one cannot help but ponder the deeper meaning behind this peculiar pastime. Is it a commentary on the patriarchal society in which we live, a satirical examination of the notion of ownership and possession, or simply a lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek celebration of love and partnership? Whatever the case may be, one thing is for certain, this sport requires a great deal of physical strength, as well as mental fortitude. After all, carrying one's wife through an obstacle course is no easy feat, especially

if the said wife is of, shall we say, not average weight. Perhaps, this is... Most such thing is average weight, everyone is perfect. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of this sport is the fact that the wife being carried is not necessarily limited to the participant's spouse. Well, you can choose somebody else's wife. The term wife here is used in a metaphorical sense and can refer to any partner or any close female friend.

This implies that the sport is not just about physical strength, but also about the strength of relationships and bonds, I don't think so. In any event, I urge you to consider giving wife carrying a try, not only will it provide a fun and challenging workout. It also might offer a new perspective on the complexities of human relationships. In other words, the conversation will go something like this. We're going to do some Yukon Kanto today. What's that?

It's the finished sport of wife carrying, but I'm not going to carry you. I'm going to carry the woman from down the road. Oh, really? And then, you know, sister cuffs, they're moving into the sport of husband punching. Exactly, which I don't think is which which you do do to your husband is an artist. Yes. And Ollie, thank you. It's an interesting idea, but I will let you fins. You didn't come across that in your travel. No, no, no, no, no. The love party, the Trumps, they don't do that. They didn't. Nobody at any point, no. Claire and Amsterdam, Hello Mark and Simon, LTL and FTM, just listening to the latest

podcast. Actually, I'm going to stop there. I've got this. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. I have your robots overlord! Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss and by the AI thing. Seriously? Yes. So even after I'd made the joke about it, it's going to be the first one, and it was the first one. It was the first one, you still didn't spot it. No, I, would you have spotted it?

Probably not. No. OK, so Simon is saying that the only thing he had was the greeting and the sign off, all of that is cheating. It is. The Netherlands. The Scandinavian Netherlands does make it sound as though Olli was a regular listener. Yeah, but but also wow.

Really? Okay, no, we are I'm sorry. I really I had no I did not know. I had no We're in trouble. Someone's coming on and burst our bubble. Yeah, hey on where's uh, we're in trouble. Someone's No, no, it's not shampoo. That's um, that's we've got a first box, isn't it? I don't know. Uh, uh, we're in shampoo, that's, we've got a fuzz box, isn't it? We're in trouble. Is it shampoo? Who did fuzz box do, oh, is that international rescue? Sorry, okay, fine, anyway. Anyway, Claire and Amsterdam, now we've cleared all that up. Just listening to the latest pod about the panorazan debate with amusement also,

I'm a recent immigrant in the Netherlands, so loving the Van Hoch pronunciation, while struggling with a Dutch language learning myself. Because the problem is with Dutch is like Danish, is that no one around the world bothers with that language. So you just have to get on with the people around you. The conversation reminded me of the time my friend's mum asked me if we would like to watch La Confidentiali in a pretentious French accent meaning Ellie Confidential. The same woman also used to refer to the co-op as the quarp which I found so funny I've trained my whole family to call this popular local shop thus as though we were a family of demented ducks. Up with fair Play and down with Welfare too much dimension,

really watching UK politics with gobsmacking dismay, Claire enams the damn. You don't have to be enams the damn, Claire too, also watch it with gobsmacking dismay. There was a guy in my school who used to refer to Les Paul guitars as a lay-pull. Not good. No. Is there four minutes enough to discuss

all the beauty in the bloodshed? Yes, I'll give it a go. Oscar nominated just recently, just early on in the week, documentary by Laura Parchaus, who won an Oscar for For Citizen 4. The subject this time rail is photographer and campaign and then golden. And the documentary intertwines stories of her life from childhood, the trauma of losing a sister, her life photographing people on the fringes of society, mounting a show about people living with AIDS, and then it intertwines that with her later campaign

against the Sackler family, who were the sponsors of the art world, but also whose oxycontin fueled the opioid crisis. Here's a clip. A hundred thousand days! A hundred thousand days! MUSIC A hundred thousand deaths! A hundred thousand deaths! There's the Sackler family of the art world, the museum world, and philanthropy. And then there's the Big Pharma marketing and addiction and death.

My anger at the Sackler family, it's personal. When you think of the profit of people's pain, you can only be furious. So Golden describes herself as having survived the opioid crisis, because she was prescribed opioids. And she then started prescription addiction intervention now, pain to take on the Sackler family, who are these

kind of big players in the art world, huge philanthropists, I think, is the word that they would like. And there's a bit, which she said, I asked, will my career implode if I do this? And she was sold yet, probably will. But what the documentary does is it takes films of the protests, which are almost like art installations, like people turning up at the museums and falling, apparently, dead on the floor, holding these bottles that they've made, which are so it's like a kind of, like a kind of agit prop art installation that really caught the presses attention. And the way in which Laura Procterus does it, there's a real kind of edge of,

almost like a kind of thriller edge to these things. And it's really, really well done, really, really gripping. She got the National Portrait Gallery not to take the sacramony, then others followed suit, we follow it onto the campaign, goes to the Louvre. But what you discover about her is that it was always the case that she was campaigning,

that she was sort of working to change the status quo. We hear her say, I mean, there's some heartbreaking thing. She says, my mother and father were not equipped to be parents and that is a whole strand of the story, which is really moving. How photography gave her a voice, her embrace of queer culture and what that brought to us. She says, at one point, my roommates were running away

from America and they found each other. She became friends with the John Waters gang, you know, the people from the John Waters movies. Talks about sex work very frankly, photographs of herself, she documented herself and her own sexual relationships, and photographs of herself having been battered. I mean, it is very, very personal, very kind of, you know, raw and open work. This extraordinary exhibition of people living with AIDS, at one point, their work, the work got the exhibition into trouble, the AIDS exhibition. And I thought, I thought it was really in live and in company. I mean, I knew very, very little about Nangold and I heard the name, but I didn't really know much

about her work at all. She says, at one point, the wrong things are kept secret by people. And that phrase really stuck with me. Because really what the whole documentary is about is about exposing things, you know, putting things out on display, not keeping things secret, whether it's to do with things with the family or things to do with the sort of greater political world.

And watching the adjit props off was really kind of in loving, particularly since in the course of the narrative, she does take on this huge institution and actually does manage to achieve an awful lot. So I thought it was a really interesting documentary. It's called All the Beauty and the Bloodshed and it's by Laura Pro Proctor, a severe regular listening. You will have heard that name before, just nominated for Best Documentary at the Oscars. And does that have a general cinematic release, do you think? Yes. And the fact that it's just got nominated for an Oscar, this is when people say one of our awards for, they are to, you know, I mean, from the distributor's point of view, that's

an absolute godsend. They literally just got nominated for Best Documentary. And if you have access to Disney Plus, the drama series Doepsyk, you may well have seen, but it's really worth catching up on. It's a sum of things. Yeah, it's all about the saccolas. Okay, still to come, what are we reviewing? The Fable Mons, which is a new film by Steven Spielberg, Plain, which is the new film starring Gerard Butler.

The tagline is The Crash was just the beginning and unwelcome, which is that weirdy folk horror. Time for the ads unless you're in the Vanguard in which case we'll be back before you can say Francis Jeffers. Happy Nord Christmas. Protect yourself whilst Christmas shopping online and access all the Christmas films from around the globe. Plus, when you shop online, you'll have to give websites your card details and other sensitive

data like your personal addresses. Those websites should already have their own encryption built into their payment systems, but to be on the safe side, you can use a VPN to ensure that all data coming to and from your device is encrypted. Even if you're using an unsafe Wi-Fi, you'll still be able to shop securely with a VPN. And you can access Christmas films only available overseas by using streaming services not available in the UK. To take our huge discount of your Nord VPN plan, go to nordvpn.com

slash take. Our link will also give you four extra months for free on the two-year plan. There's no risk with Nord's 30-day money bank guarantee. The link is in the podcast episode description box. Hi, esteemed podcast listeners, Simon Mayo. I'm Mark Kermot here. I'm excited to let you know that the new season of the Crown and the Crown, the official podcast, returns on 16th of November to accompany the sixth and final season of the Netflix epic Royal Drama series. Very exciting, especially because SuperSub and Friend of the show Edith Bowman hosts this

one. Indeed, Edith will take you behind the scenes, dive into conversation with the talented cast and crew from writer and creator Peter Morgan to the crown's Queen Elizabeth in Mel Distant. Other guests on the new series include the Crowns research team, the directors, executive producers Suzanne Mackie and specialists such as Voice Coach William Connaker and props master Owen Harrison. Cast members including Jonathan Price, Selene Daw, Khalid Abdullah, Dominic West and Elizabeth

Tabiki. You can also catch up with the story so far by searching the Crown, the official podcast, wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe now and get the new series of the Crown, the official podcast, wherever you get your podcast, subscribe now and get the new series of the Crown, the official podcast first on November 16th. Available, wherever you get your podcasts. This episode is brought to you by Mooby, a curated streaming service dedicated to elevating great cinema from around the globe. From myConnect directors to emerging otters, there's always something new to discover,

for example. Well, for example, the new Aki Karri's Mackey film Fallen Leaves, which won the jury prize it can, that's in cinemas at the moment, and if you see that and think I want to know more about Aki Karri's Mackey, you can go to Mooby the streaming service and there is a retrospective of his films called How to Be a Human. They are also going to be theatrically releasing In January Priscilla, which is a new Sophia Coppola film, which I am really looking forward to since I have an Elvis obsession. You could try Mooby free for 30 days at Mooby.com slash Kermit and Mayo. That's M-U-B-I dot com slash Kermit and Mayo for a whole month of great cinema for free. And we're back. Maybe we didn't go away. Here's the box of his top 10. Number 93, the substitute.

I should point out that the substitute was playing in four locations. So one of the things that you always need to point out when this stuff happens is it's playing in four locations, Avatar Way of Water is playing in 651. So it's done fine in the locations that it's played in. I like this film. I thought it was a kind of it's that it falls in that tradition of blackboard jungle and more recently Casablanca beats. I thought it was really interesting and bit. I'm just pointing out that it's it's to do with how many places films are playing in. Number 46 Alice Darlene. Ten locations. So this is the new film by Mary Knight, who is Bill Knight's daughter, who I had the great privilege of osconominated.

Oskonominated, you were so thrilled about that work. I think. And there's a fantastic photograph of him. He's just, here's a man, he's at a ripe old age, even more than we are, and he's osconominated. How thrilling is that? That's just fantastic news. Well, Mary Knight, who's an actor, now this is her directing, and this is a story that's Anna Kendrick,

as a young woman who appears to have a perfect life with a lovely boyfriend who then turns out to be fantastically controlling. And it is a film about an emotionally abusive relationship, which it's marketed very much like a thriller. When I saw it, I didn't know anything about it. For the first 10 minutes of it, I thought it was a romcom, because it was Anna Kendrick in a coffee bar with her friends, and it had that kind of tone to it.

What I really like about it is the way the tone shifts. I think she's a fine director, and I think we'll see more work from her, you know, impressive work we're in the future. Just speaking of things that look like romcoms, I saw on the side of a bus, obviously it's been there for quite a while, an advert for she said, right? So, which is a serious drama by anyone's reckoning.

But the way it was photographed, which is a photograph of the two leading women and the two journalists who are trying to uncover the Harvey Weinstein story, made it look like a romcom. Well, that would partly, I suspect being response to the fact that it tanked in America, and one of the reasons that it was, that they, it tanked in America was that they said people didn't want to watch a harrowing two-hour drama about Harvey Weinstein. Okay, well obviously this,

this bus ads is trying to say it's not about that, it's these people who you, whose company you like. Exactly. Well, you know, it still looks inappropriate. No, no, I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying I'm sure that that was the thinking about today's show. Number 14 in the top 10, Holy Spider. Which is a really interesting film about, I mean, it's nominally, it's a film about a serial killer,

but it's really a film about misogyny and the way in which misogynist culture has at its sharp and murder but has at its, you know, it's a softer end, a sort of general acceptance that cleaning up the streets is somehow valid within this culture system. I thought it was, I liked it very much. I know that not everybody does. My colleague Wendy I had felt that it had a prurion air to it, which I didn't feel, but I respect Wendy's opinion very much. Dr. Neema Gadry in Liverpool, Mark and Simon, thank you and to your producers.

Why does producers and the fantastic team who create the show, that's the way you basically get your email onto the pod. Thanks for your Holy Spider review. It's a tough watch, which probably isn't the best choice for a family film, but it's thrilling and so pertinent giving current events in Iran. Yes.

Zah Amir Ebrahimi has so much raw nuanced emotion. Mark will remember her performance in the rotoscope Tehran Taboo. She recently won best actress at Cannes, but many don't know how her life was at threat after a jealous ex leaked an intimate video of her. She was forced to flee Iran and a slowly rebuild her career, but what a talent she is, few convey the breadth of human tragedy as well as her, worth watching the film for her alone, down with the Nazis and up with women, life, freedom. Thank you, Dr. Neema. Fantastic. Thank you very much for that email. Number 10 in the UK, number nine in the state's Black Panther, Wakanda forever, and still 30 minutes to go. So it really forever, almost certain.

But Wakanda forever. And on number nine here, 26 in the state, strange world. Done better than I expected. I certainly done, has done better here than it did in the US, because when the US, you know, it lost a large amount of money. Number eight in the UK is TAR. TAR. And here is, you know how sometimes people feel very strongly about things. You're, oh, okay. Fine. Here's Izzy.

Okay. She signs it formally of the Philadelphia Orchestra. Oh, okay. Mark and Simon, I'm so tired of hearing how convincing Blanchett's performance in Tari's reaction to its portrayal of music and conducting among my colleagues has been either one unrecognizable or two unrecognizable, but perhaps positive for symphony orchestras.

Blanchett, addressing dressed and filamonic by saying, I'm not a conductor and you are not actors, is rich. Find me a soloist of any kind, any performing art that doesn't know how they look on camera. We're not doubting for or tutoring or accommodating the acting talent of the Natalie Portmans and Kate Blanchett's tutor, because we could never act.

It's just that one kind of performance fame and face sell tickets and duty-free luxury goods and ours do not. Please, just make your Oscar- Bate film about a torture genius and their dissenting demands, credit the doubles and tutors, and stop insisting that the leads makeshift, talent set, or the script's pretentious nitpicking

over bowing and aboing, probably, and tempo are actually convincing and realistic. Wow. Who's that from? That's Izzy Formley of the Philadelphia Orchestra. What's interesting is, I think, I mean, Izzy obviously knows more about it than I do, but if you're deeply immersed in this, there's a difference between a symphony orchestra

and a philharmonic orchestra. Which is... Well, I don't, because I remember asking this of the good-focus Scalar Radio. Who would know? Who would know, and they kind of were suggesting that there is't a guy. Okay. There's a historical thing or something I imagine it must be people will write in and explain. Yeah, well, thank you

That's a that is a ferocious email number seven. There only number 34 in America Empire of light though Sam and when he came on the on the show he said He is the least attention he's paid to the American market with a movie? Yes. I think he also said that he wrote it, fundamentally what he was saying was he wrote it for himself because it was written during lockdown, and very much like the Fableman's,

which we're going to talk about later on, it's a very personal film by a director remembering his own childhood and sort of celebrating cinema. It's also a film about, you know, Britain a certain period in its history and racism and a whole bunch of other things. I think it's five different films and I like at least two of them. One of the reasons I'm annoyed that Stephen Spielberg is not on the show because he's ill is because I really... is to pick up precisely that point And the fact that Sam Mendes said he'd had a conversation with Spielberg about these movies and the fact that they're making these

It's not a coincidence that they're making these introspective Steven if you're listening this would have been the best interview you didn't do yeah feel free to come on at any time Number six is a man called Otto number five in America I I don't think I can say anything better about this film than once again to cite the email from two weeks ago. If you haven't heard that show, go back and listen to it. There is an email from somebody who was touched so profoundly by this film that I think it would justify the filmmaker's career. And number five in the UK, roleulles Matilda the musical still still still

still hanging on in there. I mean, I was just I did a show just recently we played at the end, you know, we are revolting children living on Eddie's and absolutely that's almost as much of an earworm as wall wall wall big is that tall tall tall. Which if you're wondering what I know that's about as Empire State human by human league. But don't listen to it if you want to think of any other melody for the next week you're wondering what I'm not that's about, is Empire State human by human league. But don't listen to it if you want to think of any other melody for the next week. Yeah, which I'm not going to now. Number four here, number 11 in America,

Whitney Houston, I wanna dance with somebody. Which I said I was surprised by how much I was moved by it, weirdly, by how much I was moved by the power balance, which frankly I hadn't been a fan of when they were first out, but I think the film does a fairly solid job of, you know, leading us through that story. Number three here, 15 in America is Babylon. And oh, and oh, and oh.

Now I've got an interesting email from... Now I think I'm going to say Iwana, but... Okay. I think... Anyway, the name is I-O-A-N-A. And then... I would say I-O-N-A. But then it says rhymes with Iwana. Oh, well, and that And then I would say I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, sorry. You what no, Iwana Iwana Iwana Iwana rose with Iwana.

Yes. Yes, very clear. Yeah. All right. Iwana from London. Thank you. Dear Manian Nelly as a Damien Chazelle featuring Justin Herbert's aficionado. I was very excited to watch Babylon.

Hello. I left the cinema on Friday with my jaw literally dropped towards the floor. What had I just watched in the best way possible? Imagine my surprise upon listening to the latest episode of the podcast, and here in Mark's say, he hated every single thing that I loved about Babylon. Sure, at its core, it is nothing more than a collection of overly choreographed set pieces, and stunning ones at that. The exhausting explosion of colour, bodies, wealth and grit was one of the most impressive showcases of production design I've seen in recent years.

I'll admit it, I'm a young person with little patience to complete my cinema literacy by watching films. From nearly a century ago, Babylon is a good, if perverse way, for younger audiences to familiarise themselves with the history of cinema, the complete lack of rules of the silent film period was fascinating to see, the role-overlaughting scene of Nelly filming her first talkie is sure to stick with me for months. Beyond the set pieces, I think Babylon did a decent job of painting some characters, in particular, Jack and Manny, with emotional depth and character arcs I was genuinely invested in. As for the ridiculously corny epilogue montage, I did roll my eyes,

but it also reminded me that we are not just observers of history, but rather active participants. Love it or hate it, Avatar is a milestone in the history of cinema. Doesn't it just warm your heart to think, it was a little left-hand there? Doesn't it just warm your heart to think about the incredible technical advancements? Humans are capable of coming up with just for the sake of entertainment. As a final note, I have not stopped listening to the soundtrack all weekend long, another instant classic from Herwits. Yeah, well, it's up for an Oscar, and it is one of the three Oscar nominations,

the other one being a production design and costume design, which ties in with what you were saying. So Iwana, thank you very much. May I just ask Iwana, and please do follow this up. Have you seen singing in the rain? And the reason I ask is if you think that the Nellie LaRoy doing her first talkie scene is really funny, have you seen singing in the rain? And the reason I ask is if you think that the Nellie LaRoy doing her first talkie scene is really funny, have you seen singing in the rain? That's not a rhetorical question. I'd be genuinely interested because what really

bothers me about Babylon is that all its best moments are ripped off singing in the rain. Number two here, number three in the states is Megan. And Triegan. Count Geekcler on our YouTube channel. I really like this one. It does everything you expect it to do, but with a nice edge of satire, and also at heart quite an affecting story about loss

and parenting. Simon Norton says, I've got no idea what I saw. The closest I can come is to say it was like one of those awful modern remakes of a much loved 80s film that actually wasn't made in the first place. Hmm, not sure I quite understand your reviews Simon. But anyway, you were quite impressed with it with me. Yeah, I think it's an interesting film.

I mean, it's not really a horror film. It is a sort of, it's a satire. And it's obviously in the tradition of things that we said dead of night and the Chuck E films. And, but I thought it did what it did. Well, we had a very interesting email last week from someone who was saying, you know, you need to give credit to the performer who was playing Megan Amy Donald. I believe is her name.

I thought it was fun. I enjoyed it. I mean, it's not gory enough, but that's absolutely fine. That is to do with the fact that it's not really a horror film. It is a satire. And the box office number one here, as in the States, is Avatar the Way of Water, just a slightly an Oscar-nominated Avatar the Way of Water. Tim sends the email just for a slightly different take to avoid the rehashing of previous weeks. So the first Avatar says Tim was probably the film I've

come nearest to walking out of. And I haven't yet seen the second one and I don't really want to in fact, but I'm going because it is a vast bloated blockbuster, which is a retelling of the story of what imperialist colonists did to Native Americans and other indigenous peoples, and makes it absolutely clear that the colonists are unambiguously the bad guys and that what they did was horrible. And not just that, it's a film which, stilling a quote, gets normal-ass, marvel-watching white people in Ohio to stand up and cheer for the veit cong, end of quote. There are many, many films that have made the same points, I've seen a lot of them. But have there

been any, with even a tiny fraction of the reach of Avatar? I mean, look what happened when someone dared to make a Star Wars episode where it turned out that the hero wasn't the hero because of who their ancestors were. And yet, here is this huge dumb blockbuster, which will be seen by hundreds of millions of people, and which is quotes, and I react physically when people say this, on the right side of history, end of quote.

I'll go and see it so that Cameron gets to make more of this. He's not preaching to me, but he is preaching a good message, and that message is being widely heard. I'll take that, says Tim. I mean, yes. I mean, yes, it's like, it is the, as I said from the first time, it's broadly anti-colonial sentient,

it's a really metaphor, it works many time, it's broadly anti-colonial, anti-missive, it really met the thought it works. Many ways, it's pretty fluid. It's just a bit like... But yes, and, as we've said before, and I will say again, I can't stand that until I have the wavewater, but it has tent-poleed the heck out of the box office. To tent-pole is a verb, and if it saves cinema,

I'll just tell the other things, then thank heavens for that, precisely. And now a very strange moment as we welcome Ben Baby Smith onto the podcast for the first time as a guest. Hello. Yeah. That is with the baby returns. Yeah, so you're not in charge at this point.

It does feel strange. I mean, whenever, I know all the years I've been involved with the show, I'm here, or there, or wherever it's being recorded. You are never there. That's key. Yeah. So it does feel strange now being on the other side.

It feels weird for me. It's like two. Yeah, there's two of us now. It's like, okay, I tell the witch, who's in, what do I do? I've got Sanju even a cab on the way down. So really freak you out. So Ben is here and he's here with Psychotherapist Sasha Bates to talk about the latest podcast,

Shrink the Box, which launches on Tuesday, Sasha. First of all, so we know about Ben, tell us about your workers of therapist and then we'll talk about Shrink the Box. Yeah, I about your work as a therapist and then we'll talk about shrink the box. Yeah, I've been working as a therapist for, oh, God, over a decade now. It was a second career. I actually started off in television myself. I was a director and producer.

And I think when you direct and produce, you get really interested in people's stories. And I got to nearing 40 and thought, actually, I kind of want to go deeper. I want to know more about people in a way that's been more helpful than shoving them on a'r gweithio'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn yw'r ymwch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ymwch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ywch yn ymwch yn ywch yn ywch yn yopos yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi ddod yn ymwch chi'n ddod yn ymwch chi ddod yn y talk about. That could be the past, the future, the present, existential crisis, anger issues, eating disorders, addictions, bereavement, I mean, you name it, I'll talk about anything with anyone. With a view too, at the end of the process, them feeling better about their situation. Yeah, I mean, better, better, quite a subjective word, but yeah, you would hope that they would have a... Not worse. Well, this is the thing about therapy is sometimes it does have to get worse before it gets better.

Well, I've been in therapy for two years and I am fully aware of sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better. Absolutely. So this could turn into a little session. Well, that's what I was just going to say, I was just thinking as Sasha was talking, and you know, she was talking about, you know, her various areas of expertise within therapy. One that she's added is I managed to

blag a little bit of free stuff during the show because sometimes we do get really deep and we relate some of the issues to our own lives and what we're going through. And Sasha's insight, I find it incredibly helpful. Alongside, I should stress the actual real-life therapy I have, IRL. Okay, so that's the background.

So tell us about the part and what you're trying to do. The main thing is, we want to celebrate what you guys, I guess, would call film adjacent television. So TV with a real cinematic epic feel to it. I'm thinking the worlds of mad men, the Queen's Gambit, sopranos, the wire. But we're taking one particular character and usually from the initial series,

the first series where they're being established and trying to get inside their heads. So for one of a better phrase, putting them on Sasha's couch for an hour and sort of breaking down what makes them tick. And it comes from a place of love for the show initially, first and foremost, of course, so we get to celebrate and rewatch these great shows along with our listeners, I hope.

But then really trying to get inside their heads and see also, I guess, what we can learn from it. And for me, like, being back in therapy as well, it's like a perfect, it seems to sit so nicely. I love talking, obviously. And then talking about myself, perfect. Watching classic shows, superb. Having someone with the mind of Sasha next to me to actually stop me just waffling about absolute nonsense

and brain making it more concise, more insightful. You've never managed to do that. next to me to actually stop me just waffling about absolute nonsense and break making it more concise, more insightful. You've never managed to do that. It's a perfect fit for me, you know. So just give us the cast list that you have on this. Oh yeah, who have we got first? We start with Tony Soprano. Kind of going meta on the first one. Yeah, because he's a he's in therapy himself, so we get a look at him in therapy whilst also looking at him as a person We've got Walter White from Breaking Bad Beth from Queens Gambit you mentioned

Omar from the wire. Yeah, that new show the wire mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just got it during long time We're going to do Shiv from succession. We're are we going to do, Airebela? Airebela, for my May Destroy You. Yeah, such an amazing character. And my mind's going to blank, who else have we got? Oh, Don Draper. Don Draper from Mad Men. Flea bag. Flea bag, yeah.

We're going to say, there's more American shows in there than British shows. Yeah, I think that's 100% true, but what we want to try and do over time is even that out, and always retain a balance of male characters, female characters, mixed backgrounds, and stuff like that. So we can try and have a viewpoint of all types of human beings, I guess, represented within these great shows. And we've also begun largely with drama,

flea bags, the closest we've got to comedy, but we're not averse to a George Costanza, you know? We're not averse to original pairing, absolutely not. So, I mean, I'd love to get into a whole comedy season of Shrink the Box because there's some real... There's some real nutcase. Reki Perrin, all the characters. Not Kase being the technical term.

Yeah, just in case. If you are going to do that, I think porridge is not just astonishing comedy, but it's profoundly sad on my level. My dad used to collect the, you know, he used to haveinyls, like recordings of shows he had, like, a lot of handcuffs half hour. And he had this one vinyl of a porridge episode called, an evening in, quite night in, quite night in, where it's just the two of them on the bunks, you know, and God, but you're really seeing for the first time he's really not handling the time inside well and

the vision of the future of him being there. He really can't take it and a fletch in this moment of pure sensitivity sort of guides him almost like immersive therapy into a fantasy of being outside, so they're going out on a Friday night and he sets the scene for God put. And it's one of the most beautiful episodes. A lot of out loud fun, he's still at times. But that thing of two people being stuck in a room together and just having to get to know each other, I mean, it is what therapy is really. Absolutely.

And so much intimacy can come from that and people let their guard down and they let their vulnerabilities show. And then you really get to know someone and it's through the getting to know somebody's vulnerabilities and weaknesses that you really make those connections. And I think that's what is the value of therapy because the other point of Shrinkth box

as well as it being great fun to go back and look at all these fantastic old series and great interesting characters is that we're demystifying, I hope, demystifying the process of therapy because so many people are frightened by it and they think it's this sort of strange procedure where you're going to have your head shrunk but actually it's just two people talking and giving yourself the time to explore and think about the big questions Like who you are and why you behave as you do and whether you could behave differently and what is stopping you connecting with others So hopefully it's also a way of you know showing that therapy doesn't have to be scary and it can just really enhance your life Is it a bit odd applying those skills to a piece of fiction to characters who't exist, who have been created for our entertainment.

Well, a little bit, but actually, we all feel like we know these people, and there's always elements of us in them. I mean, even though Tony Spiner is a gangster or wonder who we're going to look at from one's vision, she's a superhero, they're actually going through really, really human scenarios that we can relate to. So I think we all kind of have those watercolour moments where you kind of, oh my God, I can't believe what he did or she did. And you want to talk about them as because they're like your friends. Also, I think we tend to put as viewers fictional characters.

We tend to sort of relate our lives or we ask ourselves, what would I do where I in that situation? We tend to do that a lot with fictional characters. So I think there is like a weird kind of blurring of the lines and a bit of crossover there. And most of all, even though it is like you say, like a little bit weird, it's incredibly good fun

to sort of dig into it. And I find that it sort of elevates for me the class of the writing on a lot of these great, great shows because you know this from all the films you guys review every week. There's always a stinker where nothing at any character does ring true. Makes any sense. Because it'll make any sense even because the writing is so poor that they just haven't bothered to create any motivation for that character and there's nothing an actor can do to polish that third.

There really isn't. But that's why, so I listen to the Omar episode because obviously you've been listening to that. Yeah, very topical. The new wire, thank you very much. Cutting edge drama. I'll be going back to porridge very soon. And of course, the genius of the wire is, it's not just, I mean, the Omari is one of a number of characters that you could have picked and done that.

Right. Right. From multi all the way down, it is all the pieces, all that stuff. But the quality of the writing that you can in the middle of that episode have a discussion about his backstory, about how at some point early on in his life, there has been trauma that has taught him that he can't react because he can't share. That's to do with genius writing, that you can create a character

that you can then extrapolate that from. And that is, as you say, you'll see films in which a character is written as a two-dimensional figure that exists only for the moment that they are on screen. He's complicated because when we first meet him, he has a shot of whiskey on a bar. You know?

That's right. And he's like, oh, he's troubled. Or, or. The thing with his wedding ring. As happens in movies that I've seen somebody know, that's right. Oh, he's troubled. Oh, oh, saying of his wedding ring. As happens in movies that I've seen, somebody says he's complicated. He's got a blue scarf. Exactly. He's wearing the blue scarf of regret. And we've only picked characters that are psychologically complex that have been written in a way that we can all relate to them. Because otherwise, as you said, there'd be absolutely no point, but they're all people that we're intrigued by, that

we question, that we find sort of mysterious, and we see ourselves in in some way. The thing with the Omar discussion, which is kind of particularly interesting, as I said, I've been in therapy for two years, and I love it. I now can't imagine living without it. But one of the things that has come up a lot in my therapy sessions is fairy tales. I tend to talk about fairy tales and grims for a lot. And of course in the Omar thing, you talk about the big bad wolf, the whistling, the kind of the fable-like quality of it. And it is fascinating to me how much fairy tales are basically ways of describing the world to yourself when you're young,

that then stick with you for the rest of the thing. I thought that was interesting in terms of the Omar discussion, because that doesn't get raised enough. Absolutely. And, you know, way into adulthood, there's all sorts of fully grown people who still engage in massive amounts of magical thinking about where their life's going, where their life's been, what they want to achieve. So I think we're always trying to,

even though the show really is a flight of fancy, we're always trying to pin it down, or elements of it, pin them down in the real world. And almost have, I don't wanna say a Jerry Springer type, final thought. So don't, there's, I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that, but we're always looking for what we can take away.

And we, what I love about the show and working with Sash is that that's, we to say that. I'm not going to say that. But we're always looking for what we can take away. And what I love about the show I'm working with sash is that we never force that. If it comes, it comes, if it doesn't, it doesn't. And there's times when me and Sash will just go off talking about our own lives, our own experiences before we return back to the character himself. So I do like that it's a wide ranging discussion. I do like that it's a fictional fun, but what I really love is that it's rooted right there in our own reality.

And when I stray way too far from that, we have our own red actor in chief who will take care of that to make sure that it's a fun hour and insightful hour for everyone. There's being a therapist spoil a lot of television. And really, because you're just watching, because it must be hard to switch off that skill set. Well, I mean, I can't watch bad, Telet.

I can't watch badly written characters. Because I suppose because of that, I want people that I believe in. What about watching therapists? Oh, God, yeah. That's very, very few good therapists on television. Most of them are just played for laughs or for plot or, or I think, funny enough, I've just written an article about this,

for therapy today, about the portrayal of therapists in the media. And I wondered whether it is a lot of writers subconsciously getting their own back on their own therapists because what all clients say is they hate the asymmetry of the relationship. They hate the fact that I know so much about them and they know nothing about me. So I do wonder whether subconsciously these writers are thinking, right, I'm going to give this therapist this chaotic home life and all these addictions and flaws ac yn ymwch i'n fwy'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd i'r cyfodd them how to do it. We're actually, we're all just battling along as best we can. So you said that people hate that asymmetry. I like that asymmetry because I like the idea that it's going, anyway, about me. It's also something comforting about having someone to speak to in your life who has no dog in your fight. I think that's you. Precisely so. So the show is called

Drink the Box, Ben and Sasha. Thank you very much. It launches on Tuesday and it will appear. If you're a Vanguard Easter, it will appear in your feed-on Tuesday. And also, I should say, there'll be more with Ben and Sasha in Take 2. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

So thanks to Ben and Sasha. Now, as you mentioned at the top of the program, the pod, the show, we were supposed to have Steven Spielberg on today and we were going to have 20 minutes and thank you very much again for all the fantastic questions that you sent in. Unfortunately, Steven then got poorly and flew home to LA and if I had a private jet and a ranch, I would have done precisely the same. Because the UK hasn't got a lot going for it. Weather-wise is what I'm talking about, obviously.

So he disappeared. Hopefully he'll come back on the show very shortly, but anyway, he's on well. Always well. I've got some of the questions here, which I'm gonna put to Mark instead. Mark said, why don't you use your questions on me mean, but it seems it'd be sensible to do the review first of all. Okay. So let's talk about the Fabelmans and then I'll put some of the questions to you.

So the Oscar nominations were earlier this week. The Fabelmans is up for seven Oscars, production design, original screenplay, which is Spielberg and Tony Kushner, supporting actor Jud Hirsch, best actress Michelle Williams, best motion picture, original score for John Williams and Steven Spielberg for best achievement in directing and currently looking at the... it is favored to win best picture. Is that a... well, yeah, but I thought that there was absolutely no child that he'll the good and that I wouldn't get nominated best call for women talking and she didn't. So obviously everything is an open field.

But in America, at least, it's done very, very well with critics and with awards judges here in the UK, only one BAFTA nomination for best screenplay for Tony Kushner and Steven Spielberg. And of course, it hasn't set the box office a light in America. So it's been sort of cited as one of those cases of critics and awards judges love it. Audiences not so much as opposed to Avatar, which as we just pointed out, has passed two billion, although some critics do absolutely love that. So it's been described as Spielberg's most personal film,

it is autobiographically inspired. I interviewed Tony Kushner some time ago, and he said that what happened was he'd been talking to Spielberg about this for a long time. Spielberg basically, he interviewed Spielberg about his childhood, and then Kushner said, and then I then took those stories and worked them into a fictionalized screenplay.

And I said, well, how much of what we see in the film is real, how much is, how much is invention. He said, what we did was we invented fictional, you know, fictional motivations and scenes that would work dramatically, but it was all sort of inspired by the real stories of Spielberg's childhood. So if you've heard Spielberg talking about his childhood,

which he has talked about it quite a lot, you'll know, for example, that he had a primal event in his life, which he was taken to see the greatest show on Earth, the Cecil B. Demille film, Circus theme, but it features this spectacular train wreck. And in the Fableman's, young Sammy Fableman is taken to see the film. He sits there in awe, He sees the train crash. It's traumatic, but extraordinary.

And his mother, played by Michelle Williams, who is very artistic, but obviously also kind of disconsolate, realizes that maybe a way of her traumatized child owning his trauma is to take a home movie camera and to film a crash of his own with his train set and therefore he'll be able to replay it and therefore own the tragedy. And this is kind of this is the sort of big philosophical centerpiece I think of the film which is that learning to film the world is a way of

controlling the world but it's also a way of discovering things about the world perhaps not things that you would necessarily want to discover. Here's a clip featuring the Oscar-nominated Judhersh. You see what she got in her heart? Is what you got, what I got? Art. Like me, like you are a dink. We are junkies.

Art is our drug. Family, we love, but art, we're a sugar for art. You think I want to tell you my sister's my mum and my papa and go stick my stupid head in the mouth of lions? Put your head in the lion's mouth, his art. No! Sticking your head in the mouth of lions was balls. Making sure the lion don't eat my head.

That is art. the mouth of lions was balls. Making sure the lion don't eat my head. That is art. I mean, hand me that scenery that I may chew it some more. He's stealing the scene. No, he's stealing the film. He's stealing the film. Yeah, so Paul Dano, as Bert, who is the father, can kind of rather, you know, on the outside, you know,

sort of very ordered father, who, because one of Stephen Spielberg's central obsessions for a long time was the collapse of his parents marriage and something he felt very, very anxious about. And there is Seth Rogan as Uncle Benny who isn't an uncle but is very, very important to the plot. And so if you know stuff about Spielberg's childhood, there is a certain pleasure to be had matching up the fictional things and move to, they move from East Coast to the West Coast. Later on in school, he's the victim of anti-Semitic bullying, but he also starts to develop this extraordinary ability to make people watch his films that he discovers how to make,

how to organize things, how to direct, how to lovely sort of little things about making gunshots by putting pinpricks in the, in the celluloid. Now, if you are a cineast, if you're a film critic, I'm gonna have that, of course, there's pleasure in this.

And I, you know, I enjoyed the film. It also has an absolutely barnstorming final scene, which I'm not going to spoil, despite the fact that everybody else appears to have done so, which is a shame, because when the final scene turns up, it's lovely to have not known anything about it, but there is a really, really lovely final scene that sends you out of the cinema with a spring in your step.

I think the main issue that I have is, if you look at ET, which up until now, was basically described as Steven Spielberg's most autobiographical film. I mean, ET is a film about a space alien being stranded on Earth. And so obviously, it's not factual, but it is allegorical because it's about Elliot, ET, Elliot, being somebody who is alone and considers themselves to be alone and is, you know, distraught at the state of the world around them and finds in this weird interstellar connection that I, you know, I'll be right here. All that stuff. That is the young Stephen Speelberg.

And that is a film that can be watched by anybody, everybody, everybody gets an emotional response from it. The Fableman's is much more factual. It's much more down to earth. I think it's also less universal. And it's not a surprise that it hasn't set the box office on fire, because it's a niche... I mean, it's... I don't mean this as necessarily a bad thing, because it is both a strength and a weakness. It is a very expensive home movie.

It's a very personal story about a childhood that is, you know, some people have said there was a rolling stone. It's the film that we've waited 45 years for Stephen Spielberg to make no, it isn't. No, no, it isn't. It really isn't. It's a very personal reminiscent about childhood and about discovering cinema in the same way that Sam Mendez is Empire of Light. It's, it's a fictional story. He said in that interview that you did with him, he started writing about his mother and then it turned into a story about a projectionist and thatcherism and racism and all those other things, but it started as a personal reminiscence. I think the Fableman's is lovely. I also think it's incidental. I think it's not a masterpiece. I am surprised by the, you know, best picture, best director.

Partly what it says is that there's just so much good will towards Steven Spielberg in the world that people want to reward him for what feels like a personal film. But as a piece of filmmaking, it's fine. And I liked it. I even loved bits of it, but it is a small film in a, you know, you know, it's an appendix to his career. It isn't ET. You think that's fair? I think I do think that's fair and I agree with that and I'm embarrassed to say it took me many weeks before I realized the significance of the title. That's how slow I am. Well, you mean as it being a fable, as in being a person telling you know, it's a fable menu, it's a juice, so a name but he's also disabled. A fable.

I mean, how slow is that? Answer very slow. No, but that's not slow because it's because it... No, I think that's perfect. It's about... Yeah, but I think, I mean, because it's well different, and we had it being the Fable Mons, who then would have been slightly more with a hyphen

and Fable kind of underlined it in italics. Nigel Powell in Oxfordshire, challenger for title of the biggest village in the UK. The Fable Mons weaves, each aspect together so perfectly. So obviously, in the hands of a once-in-a-generation master of his art form that it was the experience that stayed with me the most. The most moving, the most entertaining, the most thought-provoking. It's a film that is an honor to see right to its near-perfect final moment. This guy really knows how to make films up with blue-head feminists and lady-piped smokers

down with tax avoiders who pay it back when found out and say it was an honest mistake, so that's all right. Let's just forget about it. Thank you Nigel. Who knows? Who knows? It could be anybody. Correspondence at kermanomeo.com, once you've seen the favourments, we would love to hear

your thoughts. My question then, that I was going to put to Steven Spielberg, but I'm going to put to you. What was it like showing this movie to your sisters and Sue and Nancy? When they were on set, they actually referred to the characters playing our relatives as if they were actually the relatives. I know that's his answer because I've read that question somewhere else. Was it difficult to cast this movie,

given the fact that these people were playing your parents and you? In fact. Well, I knew from the start that there wasn't anybody else other than Michelle Williams, who... Okay, thank you, Stephen. We'll leave it there. We move on.

I was good, though, wasn't I? Very good. I was. Impressive. Who needs to book any more guests when Mark can just play the role? Well, it's time for the laughter lift. Oh dear. Huge cap. It's very, it's very shabby, by the way, this one.

Very shabby. Hey, Mark, we've all had experiences with COVID, but there's now a new virus which makes us forget 80s independent music. It may be spreading. No one knows the cure. That reminds me Mark, do you know why it sounded like there was music coming from Bob Marley's dot matrix printer in the 70s? The paper was jamming. Imagine what's grey and not important?

An irrelevant. Anyway, what have we just charging on through? It's just moving on through. Charging on through. What have we got still to come as far as your concern? Oh, we have unwelcome and plain. Gerard Butler on a plane. Back after this, unless you're a Vanguard East, in which case you are exceptionally knowledgeable in your service, will not be interrupted. Trying to escape the holiday playlist.

Well, it's not gonna happen here. Jesus' season for evocation, Fala la la la la la la la la la Leave the court for a sunny location, Fala la la la la la la la Ditch the mittens, grab the lotion, Fala la la la la la la With sunwing seasons of savings on now, Ditch the mittens, grab the lotion, fallin' all all all all all all all all all all. With sunwing seasons of savings on now, why not ditch the cold and dive straight into sun?

Visit your local travel agent or... Sunwing.ca With banking packages from Scotia Bank, you can put money back in your pocket. That's how Marcus was able to invest in everything he needed to launch his podcast. About his pets. Welcome back to... Petcast! Visit ScotiaBank.com slash welcome pets. Welcome back to PetGas. Visit scoShabank.com slash welcome offer,

scoShabank conditions apply. You're correspondence always welcome correspondence at covenaer.com, this from Evan in leads. Dear your good selves, MTL brackets every week since mid 2012. I think he's entitled to be a long term list. I think that is, yeah. It's more than a decade. Yes, sir.

Wow. And also FTE. I have had somewhat of a hankering to email in. OK. Since you've gotten into the topic of etymology, and this week having caught the dreaded big C, which I think in this case is COVID, I thought I'd email in after you mentioned a Holanday's source, which apparently did not originate in Holand.

Holand, that's right. That's right. From last week, I believe, many similar etymologies have arisen from being attributed incorrectly to a place of origin. Yeah. Romany travelers have historically suffered from this with 19 19th century Parisians who wanted to emulate their nomadic lifestyle, thinking they were from Bohemia, Bonde Checkier, Czech Republic, and giving way to Bohemianism, Laboem, and eventually Bohemian Rhapsody, similarly when the Spanish

heard Romany folk music, they inexplicably thought they were from Northern Belgium and named the music Flamenco after its misattributed Flemish origin. So people getting it wrong. So Flamenco should not have been called Flamenco. I had no, I didn't even realize that's what Flamenco was assuming it was something to do with Flemish and... Yeah, and all the Belgian.

But incorrectly. So my other favourite example of this is everyone's favourite Christmas Paltry, which originated in North America, but found its way to Mary Old England via Turkey, hence you call it a Turkey. And to France via India, where the French for Turkey is damned literally meaning Indian, as in de apostostrophe and from India. Isn't that interesting? And I checked it and that's exactly right. No, this is an education.

I'd recommend Mark Forsyth's incredibly readable and funny book, the etymological to Mark Ansiman, for many more wonderful word origin stories. Did you know, for example, Botox is a contraction of botulinum toxin, literally sausage poison. Oh. I saw that person the other day on television. Do you know what? I think they've had some sausage poison.

Wow. Thanks for keeping me company during my recent illness, which should not be named, and a big shout out to the Hyde Park picture House in Leeds, where we did a show many years ago, which having been open since 1914 recently closed for renovations and is set to reopen this April and I cannot wait to re-enter armed with my new membership, a Christmas present from my lovely partner Katie. Take a deton down with North American Guinea Fowl and up with plant-based alternatives.

Evan and Leeds. Plant-based alternatives. Is it best for you? That's where you are. I've also got all their albums. Oh, very good. So Turkey, not from Turkey, Dan, not from India, but actually.

That is amazing. There you go, from North America. Thank you very much, correspondentsacurbineumau.com. What is out, what do we need to go and see? Plane. Those two things are not necessarily the same thing. It's out, but you don't necessarily have to go and see it. So, plane is the new, gel out, but not film.

I haven't done that for a while. You'll remember that in the not too distant past, gel out but the starting green land, which I loved. It was one of my films of the year. I still need to go to green land. Absolutely, yeah, we need to go to green land, but it's a great movie. There is a sequel in the pipeline, I think. Anyway, Plain, directed

by John Franswoire-Riche, who made the Marine movies. The tagline is, the crash was just the beginning or something on those lines. He is Brody Torrance. He is a pilot flying for trailblazers. He has a daughter. He's wife past three years ago. We learn all this in the kind of, you know, the stand-up opening setup. He's trying to get, he's flying a plane, he's trying to get to be with his daughter for new years. He may be, he's saying that I might, I may be late. He is going to be late because they're going to fly through a storm and the airline are so cheap that they won't allow him the fuel to fly around the storm because there aren't that many passengers on board. Although one of the passengers, Lou Gasparplay, by my call to, is a former foreign Legion

person who is now a prisoner on a murder rap being transported on the plane. And he says, well, we've got a skeleton stuff. He said, don't care, he's going to go and think. So they're in the air. Stormy stormy stormy storm, storm, big storm. Big storm. Plain gets struck by lightning. Boom, all the controls go out.

They have to land the plane, okay? Bit computer game visual. They have to land the plane. There's an island. Let's land on the island. There's a road. Boom. They get down.

So that's the plane is landed. All right. You're gonna crash. Turns out they're on an island to which quote, the Philippine army won't even go there, they've got their ass kicked so many times because it is run by again quote, separatists, militias, and generally bad crimes.

So now the plane crash is just the beginning because then all the passengers are faced with hostage taking separatists, crimes, bad people. Any dinosaurs? No. No. But surprise, surprise, Captain must now team up with dangerous... No.

...in order to save the day. Who'd have thought it? Want to see a clip? Yes, please. Billy, just two kilometers in that direction. No, you can't disaster them back. Yeah, well, you're the military man. I was hoping you'd have some ideas.

Ha, ha, ha. OK. Thank you for helping. Recent allegiance is to say the Demsci can all be found on the most unusual places. I certainly qualified. So now, in order to find redemption, they must break people's heads with their bare hands.

They must do stabby, shooty, runny, punchy things, and sledgehammers in faces and all that stuff. And meanwhile, in the background, there's the human story because what he's really trying to do is to get home to his daughter so that they can have some quality time together. I bet that happens. There is the thing. So there aren't many surprises on the menu. I mean, I've really warned to Gerard Butler since Greenland, although what Greenland has demonstrated is that if you give him great material, he'll be great. This isn't Greenland, but nor is it that has fallen movies,

which were absolutely terrible. This is just kind of mid-range, middle of the week, see it with Ava Pizza and a beer, and then see the Gerard Butler plain puncher movie. And then there's a bit at the end, which is so spectacularly preposterous that I did feel like immediately, ringing a friend of mine who is a very big Gerrard Butler fan and who loves Geostorm and saying, have you seen this because it's... I mean, is there a difference? My question is this, is there a difference between this then, which you described as a pizza and a beer movie? Yeah. And a you described as a pizza and a beer movie?

Yeah, and a movie which is a tea and a biscuit movie? Yes, it is a tea and a biscuit movie It's a kind of you know afternoon. This is definitely a pizza and a beer and you know the plane crash And there's a thing and there's a crimson and there's some violence and some stuff and then they got a male But it's too violent for a tea and a biscuit. Yes. That's why it's a pizza and a beer Okay, and then of course in the 1980s Yes, that's why it's a pizza and a beer. Okay. And then of course, in the 1980s, 1990s, Medusa video described their straight to video erotic thrillers as three bees movie, Beer Biryani and Bonking.

Right, no, I don't think we want to dwell much. So there's Biryani and Bonking, Pizza and a beer, tea and a beer, and there are only three categories that we're allowed. But I honestly did feel like it's my friend is Simon Brue, obviously, of film stories. He was a huge Gerard Butler fan. And Gio Storm is preposterous, because that is Gerard Butler Cloud Puncher.

But in the case of this, the last act of playing is Dama's nuts. I mean, it really is spectacularly stupid. It looked as though it was heading that direction. So that's plane, right? Let's do a what's on then. This is where you email us a voice note about your festival or maybe you've got a special screening coming up wherever you are in the world. Send it to Correspondence at Curbinamayah.com, like this. Hello Simon and Mark, this is Owen, the programmer of Riverside Studios in London, here to make you and the listeners aware of our fantastic Nicholas Rogue Witch respective. With films including Don't Look Now and Manifilter Earth and

Entrows and Video essays from the likes of Kim Newman and Mark Cousins, screening Sundays 2pm from 5th to 19th February, C-W-W.Riverside Studios.co.uk. a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysgwyrdd, a'r Llywodraeth Ysg is heard. They create content for our youth panel hub on social media and it's just really fun. We're looking for 15 to 17-year-olds to join our youth panel. Applications close on February the 24th and if you want to apply people should go to www.bbfc.co.uk forward-slash education. Thanks. So that was Owen, the program of Riverside Studios, can I say, oh, an old production note way too fast. You had all your information that you wanted to give us, but it was very interesting. So go back and listen again to what Owen had to say. And Sarah from the BBC, letting us know about some great opportunities in February. Yes, and fantastic. Here from the BBC.

22nd Audio Trailer, which is what Owen was taking. You know. If it's 25, you know, and you've got interesting stuff, and you just want to speak slowly and currently, then that's also fine. Send it to correspondentsacurbanamay.com. What else is out? So unwelcome. So unwelcome is a sort of folk horror-inflected weirdy from John Wright, who made the tentacle monster movie

grabbers, the tentacle monster movie, Grabbers, the horror comedy, tormented, and coincidentally, robot overlords, some of which was filmed in the Isle of Man, which is, you know, interesting. Yeah, particularly for me. So this new film, Unwelcome, has been described as being inspired by folklore and grims fairy tales and was pitched as Gremlins meets straw dogs. And in a way,

that's kind of everything you need to know. There's a couple, Mayer by a Hannah John Kamil and Jamie, dog as Booth. They are newly pregnant, they're living in London and in the state, and their home gets invaded by nasty London street thugs. We need to actually quite a brutal opening. They then inherit a cottage in rural Ireland, which seems like a godsend. But it's not all that simple. Yes, a relative has left them the cottage. Yes, that sounds like it's away from the urban grind,

but there's weird stuff going on, of course, there is. Here's a clip. We've been gifted this beautiful house. We live here. Can you believe it? They've wanted to keep the place in your family, Jamie. We really appreciate the house. Well, then you know. It's got a hole in the roof. Don't wait.

Don't do a good job. Jamie! Maria! You just carry on with your day as if we weren't here. There iser, they'll do a good job. Jamie, may I? You just carry on with your day as if we weren't here. There is one thing I need to show you, and it's a little bit peculiar. Every evening before sunset, she'd

leave her blood off, friend, here. Sorry, do you say blood? For you. For the red cap. And also, your neighbor is Colin Farrell. And then Brendan Gleason's down the road. Well, weirdly enough, it's Colin Meeney, who is the guy who turns up as the people that are going to come and fix the roof. And he turns up with his family.

And they do fixing the roof in the way that people do fixing the roof in straw dogs. Meaning they're in and around your house in threatening leery ways. He'd, the column in, demands to be called daddy. He's a, so he's a woman. If your builders say, call me daddy. Call me daddy. Call me daddy.

Get out. They eat all the biscuits and they behave badly, but there is something in the woodshed as I believe the divine comedy saying, which actually does get you back to Father Ted, which does get you back to Banshees of Inner Sherry, in a kind of roundabout way. This isn't Banshee's of Inescherin. For the most part, it's very uneven, struggling to get a balance between the nastiness of the opening sequence of the home invasion sequence, and then the sort of cutesy, strange little people oddness leprechaun. Does it go there? Well, no, no, kind of voice was that bad.

No, because it's the thing from Wayne's World, isn't it? No, okay. The leplicon, you know, that's a different, that's a whole thing. But I think, if you think of something like Trollhunter from 2010 or Alibassi's Troll Love Story borders, these are films which deal with folkloric creatures in a more adventurous way. This is all over the place until the final act when it takes a leaf out of the midsummer book

and then actually does something sort of, oh, okay, fine. So it's all... So on the one hand, it's got a kind of... It can't quite figure out what, you know, it's comic, but it's horrific, but it's a bit... Are there leprechauns? I'm not answering that question. Are there fairies? I'm not answering these questions. Is that the kind of general direction that it's heading?

I think that I have without spoiling the film, gone as far down that path as I... I mean, he's in the thing. She says, they're leaving out things for the red caps for the as I, I mean, he's in the thing, she says, they're leaving out things for the red caps, for the little people, for the, you know, but the point is that folkloric little people are never to be trusted. No, never to be trusted, because they have a habit of stealing away babies and, you know, and doing bad stuff. Is that right, yeah. That's what they do. So it's a bit of a mess, but I like,

the final act pulled it all together, but it is, it's a bit of a mess, but I like the final act pulled it all together, but it's a bit all over the shop. Always remember if your builders asked to be called daddy, show them the door exactly and find new builders from wherever. Okay, very good. That's the end of take one. Production management, all round stuff, Lily Hambley, cameras, Teddy Riley, videos, Ryan Amira, studio engineer, was Jay Beal.

The famous Jay Beal. The guest research was Sophie Iván. Haneenio was the producer, have I got that right? Yes, from last time. Haneenio was the producer and Flynn Rodham did everything else because she is a very, very important, she basically runs the ship and everyone else dances after her.

Yes. She's just putting that right. Yes. Mark, what is your film with it? Owen Simon Pulle was the red actor, but you know, are you interested in knowing what my film with the week is? I'm just about to. Mark, what is your film of the, and by the way, all the folk upstairs, they in deciding who's allowed in. Toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil, toil tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, but you don't like it enough to make it the movie of the week. No. But you thought they had momentarily?

Yeah, because I like it a lot, but then I like it a lot because I'm a film critic. And it's like, you know, if you're somebody makes model trains and somebody makes a film about model trains, you're going to like the model trains. All the beauty in the bloodshed. Thank you for listening. Our Extra Takes with a bonus review, a bunch of recommendations,

and even more stuff about the movies and Cinemar Adjac adjacent television is also available today because take one and take two available at the same time for the Vanguard Easter, obviously. Plus, we're going to be talking about the last of us, which is a very exciting thing. So that's a new, exciting development. Take one and take two available all at the same time. Thank you for listening. Take one and take two available all at the same time. Thank you for listening.