Kermode & Mayo’s Take - Taika Waititi and Jaiyah Saelua, Next Goal Wins, What Happens Later, The Three Musketeers: Milady & Godzilla Minus One

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

This week sees Mark and Simon chat to director, writer and producer Taika Waititi and American Samoan footballer Jaiyah Saelua about ‘Next Goal Wins’, a sports comedy-drama based on the documentary of the same name, which chronicles the national team of American Samoa as they try to recover from the indignity of the worst loss in international football history and attempt to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup. Mark also offers up his thoughts on the film, along with reviewing ‘What Happens Later’, a romantic comedy that marks Meg Ryan’s second outing as director, and sees her star alongside David Duchovny as ex-lovers that get snowed-in at a regional airport; ‘The Three Musketeers: Milady’, an adaptation of Alexandre Dumas’ classic novel, which sees D’Artagnan embark on a frantic quest to save the woman he loves, joining forces with the mysterious Milady de Winter in the process; and ‘Godzilla Minus One’, a Japanese-language addition to the Godzilla franchise, which sees a post war Japan faced with a new crisis in the form of a giant monster, baptised in the horrific power of the atomic bomb. Time Codes (relevant only for the Vanguard - who are also ad-free!): 08:32 What Happens Later Review 17:41 Box Office Top Ten 28:20 Taika Waititi and Jaiyah Saelua Interview 44:21 Next Goal Wins Review 49:45 Laughter Lift 56:01 The Three Musketeers: Milady Review 59:34 Godzilla Minus One Review 01:08:18 What’s On You can contact the show by emailing [e-mail] or you can find us on social media, @KermodeandMayo EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts To advertise on this show contact: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A wasail, a wasail, a wasail. But has that happened yet? I haven't had the wasail, but when child one calls, he, that's how he starts. And any call in December begins with a wasail. So that's why I feel as though it's important as we are the origin of this fine tradition. Well obviously it goes back to the 12th century but we understand by the way that, I mean I've wasale is well fine. I know but the audience didn't so I was just going to explain it for the audience because they didn't hear the voice in our head. Wouldn't it be easier if Simon

pulled the redacto and she was just in the studio and just interrupted whenever he felt like it. I was thinking if he could speak straight into everyone's headphones as they're listening to this. Into everyone's head. Yeah. Anyway, so there is a new Wasteling song for next week. Obviously we'll go on to peak too soon. Is it good? It's good. He said that he Got a bit darker, minor key. Oh, okay. Wow. All right. So we'll have a proper wasale next week, but for the meantime, we just greet each other

with a wasale, a party wasale and a spiced cider to you. Spiced cider. And that's not a good idea, is it? No, well, not at this time of the morning. No, not at all. And it all depends whether you're talking about like a three and a half percent side in which case that's okay. Or if it's a seven percent or even a nine percent, then you're in serious trouble. We were driving back from somewhere last week and we had

on the podcast and... Well, this podcast. Yes, we were listening to this podcast, you know, because why not? Well, you know what, you've been on it, I suppose. Well, I know, but I just wanted to see what it's saying. You know, every now and then I'd like to do quality control checks. And what was it like? Well, what it's like was I started doing something and the good layfresser said, oh, you're going to do that anecdote.

And then I said to me, yes, you're going to do that anecdote. And by the third time, when she said, you're doing that anecdote, I said, okay, fun. Let's just, let's just listen to classic FM. No, great hits radio. No, yes, but also scholar. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. You're in so much. You are in so much. So much. So much trouble. Let's blame it on spiced cider, which has, of course, been taken. What are you going to review later? Oh, I'm going to be reviewing what happens later, which is a romcom directed by Meg Ryan, starring Meg Ryan. So what happens later?

It's what happens later, yes. So what happens later? Then three musketeers, Millady, which is the second part of the new three musketeers adaptation. Godzilla minus one. And the drama, not the documentary, next goal wins with our special guests. You are a tycoa TT and Gia Salua. So stand by for that, because next goal wins is that particular movie.

You haven't said Meg Ryan for years. No, I know because she's been off our radar, but she's back. Oh, that's very, I remember we did a run of interviews where everyone I was sent to interview who had snogged Meg Ryan at some stage. What? Yes, Billy Crystal, Tom Hanks, all these people said and became a running thing about what was like. What had you snogged Meg Ryan?

What's it like to kiss Meg Ryan? I remember Billy Crystal going off or realizing the joke and just saying, oh, it's just amazing. And then going into great detail. I was like, I don't remember that. Also, I do remember not believing that she was a helicopter pilot. No, that is also true. Anyway, take two, which has landed alongside this particular take even more incomprehensible nonsense. The TV movie of the week, take it all over, you decided I don't think we're doing

that actually this week. Anyway, bonus reviews, what are you reviewing elsewhere? We're going to be reviewing Everybody, which is a very interesting documentary. My show, which we spoke of before, but is now coming to Netflix on the 20th. So I said we'd revisit it when it comes to Netflix, which is about to do, you've probably seen the posters are up absolutely everywhere.

And chicken run, all of the nugget, which is the new admin animation, which is also coming to a home streaming Netflix. And pretentious more, I think, is with the season's generosity at hard is presenting you with an open goal. One frame back inspired by next goal wins top football tea, top football for top football films.

More spiced either Simon. It's a very brief section, top football films. I mean, how many have there been? for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, questions, festive edition. Let us know your questions, TV and film related and shmessions, which are non-film related, just about life, the universe and everything, with a Christmas or New Year theme. For example, this is if, in case you haven't worked out what a Christmas or New Year theme question is. Why hasn't there been a sequel to last Christmas with Amelia Clark yet? So that would be a suitable question to ask. Okay, I think there are no ones actually asked that for obvious reasons. Because they call it next Christmas. So it's going to go out on New Year's day, so make sure you become part of the Vanguard ahead of the New Year. Also, your top five films

of the year, your worst five films of the year, all of that goes out on the 29th of December. You can email correspondence at cacominerMayov.com. So, how long do you want to have for what happens later? What, like, four minutes, really? Four minutes, okay, let's assume that means six. I'll just do one email. Enrico Vanny in Johnston, Remfisher. Mark and Simon, long term listener, first time emailer, you recently went from being my Friday home from work commute companions to joining me on my long Saturday morning walk, which usually takes in these cycle tracks and country roads near my home, but twice a yearly shift to the beaches of Tuscany, with a country road to take him home always.

You're recently interviewed the great Jason Avisex, once again brought up the subject of great actors being able to transform themselves through accents. With some being greater at it, than others, Jared Leto's comedy Italian accent off being held up as a not-so-good example. May surprise you to know that on these Tuscan walks, I have often passed groups of elderly local men standing on the shore with pop bellies and saggy speedos, tragically attempting to relive their swath of days arguing with each other and sounding and gesticulating exactly like Mr. Letter. Just as ridiculous, mine anyhow, that's not why I've emailed. Can I just say I love the phrase potbellies and saggy speedos? It's good, it's definitely a band name.

A case of going from one extreme to the other, or maybe an example of, you can't please all of the people all the time, your salute to the Vanguard Easter has gone from a grudging muffled grunt to an overblown insincere sounding performance identical to Tim Curry's hotel concierge character in Home Alone 2. I'm careful. We say about Tim Curry's overblown concierge character in it. Nervously forning response to Kevin McAllister's request to get down on your knees and tell me you love me.

Happy medium please. Okay, so you see it still says here together, stentoriously. Now, this is the whole, but that's the problem. And you said stentor, which heralds from the, he was at stentor was a herald of the Greek forces right in the Trojan War. And he had a voice as powerful as 50 other men, okay? And he lost his life in a shouting contest with Hermes. Sorry, the rather he lost his life in a shouting contest. Yes. So he shouted to death, he died later losing a shouting contest. Obviously there were implications for losing a shouting contest with Hermes, the well-known delivery company. Anyway, so don't do that.

That's up there with the fact that, as I've said before, hiccuping is a solid demonic possession because a Pope wants hiccups to death. Yes. Anyway, all of that was from the Iliad. So Enrico, thank you very much indeed for elevating the tone. So we're not going to do this tentoriously. How are we going to do it? Just if, if already, you're a Vanguardies to then, as always, we salute you're a Vanguardist to then as always, we salute you. We salute you.

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play Shooting Star. So Meg Ryan and David DeCovny are two travelers, William and Will Helmina, who get stranded at an anonymous airport because weather has come in. We actually see it at one point going, where am I? Which airport is this? The point is it's sort of everywhere and nowhere, baby. I bet it's not standard. It's not so noisy. Gatwick. So he is anxious and he suffers from, he's anxious and cynical. She is a magical thinker. He's got a briefcase with lots of documents.

She's got a rain stick. Do you know what rain stick is? The thing when you turn it goes, shh. You know, it's like a stick. It's got seeds in it. When you do, it makes the sound of rain. It's a thing that you do. What's the point of that?

Well, it's kind of relaxing and you you know, it's not yogaifying. Anyway, yogaifying. Yogaifying. Yogaifying. It turns you into yoga. It gradually becomes apparent that they were a couple. Here's the trailer for what happens to the... Nice.

Hello, Willemina. Hello, William. How have you been? Also the last 20 years. 25, maybe. I've been 49 forever and ever. Wow, lucky you. I feel like I've been in my 50s since my 20s.

That's so true. You don't have to agree with me. The tension Boston and Austin passengers, those likes have been delayed until further notice. Those two flights? That's us. Unbelievable. They're saying this could be bad.

The storm of the century. What are you worried about? Everything. I was diagnosed with anticipatory anxiety. What are you worried about? Everything. I was diagnosed with anticipatory anxiety. Is that a real thing? Oh, yeah. Right now, worried that we're lost. Look around.

We are looking around. Look around. Looking around. Relax. You're already living out. You're worst case scenario. Loving stuck here with you. Yeah.

You're making a good point. That's okay. Yeah. I'm giving it a bit of time and space. I like the David DeCovny suffering from anticipatory anxiety. Yes. So anyway, over the series of conversations that they have in various parts of the airport,

we start to learn about their parts. We start to learn how they were in love, how he left her, or maybe he didn't, how they experienced joy and tragedy together, how they've been apart and yet somehow there's been this kind of connection. He's constantly trying to call his daughter, she at one point answers his phone, speaks to his wife.

Meanwhile, you heard that and the thing, the information Tanoi seems to be talking to them. So it will say something like, you know, all the cup flights, Councillor Ligor, what just doesn't go, yes. And then there are, you saw it again in that clip, if you didn't see if you're listening on the podcast now on the message boards, there are things like everything is pending and, you know, don't leave your baggage, which also speak to the relationship. So the film is dedicated to Nora Efron, who of course, you know, with whom Meg Ryan worked during that period of classic

comedy's, Nora Efron wrote, went Harry Met Sally and then they worked together and then Thips and Seattle and you've got male. And the setting of it is kind of like, you remember the Spielberg film The Terminal, which was based on a true story, I mean, loosely based on a true story, but that idea that an airport is a stateless place, it's like it's out of time, it's out of base, it's a, and maybe It's out of place. I know this sounds ridiculous, but there's maybe even a touch of Samuel Beckett's waiting for God-o in there, because they're sort of, I can say that it's everywhere and nowhere. And it's everywhere and nowhere, maybe, which is why I made that joke earlier on, but you didn't respond, but thank you

for getting to it later on. It's like, I just tuned back in. That's where it's at. I don't know why I bother carrying on. So there's a question, are they on a trip or are they on a journey, a journey being a journey of discovery? And it's incredibly contrived and it really shouldn't work. But it kind of does. And it, I mean, it's essentially a two hander, although the three, if you count the voice, which is how ligate apparently.

And sort of when I started watching it, I was like, okay, this isn't, obviously, because the noréphrons are so, you know, such a high bar. You think, well, this isn't in the same league, but weirdly enough, it started to get under my skin. I started to quite like the thing about the absent space of the airport.

It's rather well-directed. David Duchovny's hang dog, anticipatory, he says it in, we've said anticipatory, anxiety thing, is I love David Duchovny. I think there's something about him on screen. He's got a fantastic sense of sort of miserable on-way about him that I find really charming. And Meg Ryan is funny. I mean, there's no surprise to know this. She's got great comic timing. So, okay, it shouldn't work. It's massively contrived. And there is, I think it's very likely that some people will just go, no, okay, I'm not buying this. I'm, you know, I'm just, but I did. And it, and it, I enjoyed it much more

than I expected that I was going to. And I think it is rather well directed. Excellent. Thank you. You're moving more than welcome. That was thanks for listening. No, that was good. Sometimes. I guess, I listen to it. Everywhere and nowhere, baby.

Later on, Mark is going to be reviewing these films. I'm going to be reviewing the new Three Musketeers movie, which is called Three Musketeers Millady. Yes, Millady. Yes, Millady. Godzilla minus one, which I think as the title suggests is a new Godzilla movie. And also, next goal wins with our special guests. Tyco with TT and Jai Silura. And also now part four of a new feature, which is called

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I'm Mark Kermot here. I'm excited to let you know that the new season of the Crown and the Crown, the official podcast, returns on 16th of November to accompany the sixth and final season of the Netflix epic Royal Drama series. Very exciting, especially because SuperSub and Friend of the Show, Edith Bowman hosts this one. Indeed, Edith will take you behind the scenes, dive into conversation with the talented cast and crew from writer and creator Peter Morgan to the crowns Queen Elizabeth, Imelda Staunton.

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Subscribe now and get the new series of the Crown, the official podcast first on November the 16th. Available wherever you get your podcasts. costs. Bells are ringing children singing all his Mary and bride and you stock in Say a prayer. Because Santa Claus comes tonight. Is it rocking around the Christmas tree? No, it's here comes Santa Claus. It comes Santa Claus. Don't Santa Claus Lane or or as twisted Bob Robbers. There's another Santa Claus. There's another

Santa Claus. There's another Santa Claus, there's another Santa Claus, there Remember that from Bob Roberts, twist twist it, Chris, no not Bob Roberts, what's he called? Bob Rivers, Rivers twist it, Chris, Bob Roberts is a film Genial 3 1947 originally. I should have got that There's a richy in Hampton. There is a Santa who looks a lot like Elvis What's the difference? Richie in Hampton. There is a Santa who looks a lot like Elvis. Richie in Hampton, a very long term listener, I sometimes have memories that I'm not sure

I dreamt or not, but I'm more frequent as I get older. Welcome to the club. However, when Simon in the last take two said that he never did impressions, a memory jumped in that I'm pretty sure happened. It may have been a dream. My memories that of Simon doing a fuzzy bear impression. Oh yeah, you did jumped in that I'm pretty sure happened. It may have been a dream. My memory is that of Simon doing a fuzzy bear impression. Oh, yeah, you did. Did that happen?

Yeah, that happened. It happened a lot. Well, the thing is, it was, this is a timeless reference. It's sort of somewhere between fuzzy bear and Douglas herd, who was foreign secretary for a while. I don't know who Douglas herd was. Well, I was just explaining. Okay. We'll see for the teens who were dialing in.

So the fuzzy, the fuzzy, the fuzzy bear. The fuzzy bear. Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! I'm for a secretary. It's still good. And you have to do the hands. Hello to Jason, down with politicians that seem to think they can say dogs are cats,

blackies, white or unsafe is safe without consequences. Hmm. Alrighty. Thank you very much. Yes. Thomas Smive, just heard you being asked on questions, schmessions, what you considered the most elegant word in the English language. Oh yeah, what did we come up with?

To Dorothy Parker, it's Cella Dore, which seems a strange choice until you disassociate the words sound from the meaning. Imagine it was spelled a little differently and you were told it was the kingdom of elves in the law of the rings. I have heard that before the Celerdo. In fact, there is a company called Celerdo, isn't there? There is, I work for them once upon a time back in the day. Really? Yes. And were they named Celerdor because of the thing about Celerdor being the perfect sounding, I imagine so. I didn't hang around long enough to find out. Okay.

What did you make for Celerdor? Winning lines, which is a lottery show. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sam in Birmingham, following on your discussion the most elegant word, I would like to raise you the most delightful word in the English language, Toadstool. One wonderful word. I would like to raise you the most delightful word in the English language, Toadstool. Wonderful word. Looking at a Toadstool, you think, yes, a Toad would actually sit on that. But that can't be why it's called a Toadstool. Yeah, I think so.

Is it because you think it would? It's the kind of thing. If you're a Toad, you'd sit on a Toadstool. No, but okay, but that's one of those words when you think Toadstool, okay, it's called that because a Toadstool, then it turns out it's from a word called Todistolun, you'd sit on a toad. No, but okay, but that's one of those words when you think toad still. Okay, it's called that because a toad was certain. So then it turns out it's from a word called toadistolun, which takes it from the Icelandic. Yeah, which means mushroom implant or something. You know, don't eat this. That's what it's called.

So box office top 10, but the streamers, first of all, a red devil Dixie says, this is on leave the world behind. Oh, yes, which I like very much. Classic quality actors then. Good actors and big, you as characters. Gradual buildup of tensions all going well, bubbling along with more ingredients being added to the party. Yeah, yeah. Dystopia has arrived and we've bought it on ourselves by the things that we have all done or not done. And there is no healthiness. Mysterious goings on are

presented for you to not along knowingly. You feel smart, you ask smart, you can't anticipate the ending as you're watching. There are too many themes to join up. Not a problem though, one of the things will be followed through to a final denuma, surely. Well, no, actually, one of the characters has their wish fulfilled and the rest are left in a, will they won't they limbo? Interesting to watch, but ultimately unsatisfying. An email from Vin Hawk, the MS's Kermode and Mayo, please accept my gratitude. The time you took from your busy schedules to review our little film Battle Over Britain. Who's this from? Vin Hawke. Okay. A.K.A. Nathan Walker, the loudmouthed mank character in Battle Over.

Oh, right, right, right. Okay. Aside from the fact that I hardly agree that we did a blowing good job, especially on a budget of 0.05% versus that of Masters of the Air, it was humbling to hear your encouragement and enjoyment of the film, especially so, saying as I've been a fan of the podcast and radio shows for years, kind of regards for myself and I'm very, and I'm positive everyone else. Vin Hawke. Very nice. And he says,

www.battleoverbritten.com is the website. Last screen is in Sleafoot in Lincolnshire on Sunday. And search I can buy at Sleafoot boards here, and it, you don't know if they're gonna be in attendance, but it arrives on DVD and Blu-ray in January. A phrase I haven't said for a long long time. Good for good, excellent, physical media is the future. Number 10 is the peasants.

Yes. Well, I liked it. I think there's an email that you're about to read first, isn't there? Yes. From, I'm just trying to see who this is. Is there a name? I don't know, it's been redacted in my copy. They don't let me see. From a Romanian expat currently residing in Burmanze in London, Van Gardese, their heritage listener, second time emailer, hopefully this time, it'll be read out. I think a name is needed for this. From Stefan, thank you very much.

Stefan, thanks for this. The movie struck a chord for the good lady software engineer indoors and I as one of the quintessential Romanian novels we have to study in high school. Oh, right. Is Yon by Livu Robreanu? Yon was also, this was written I.O.N. by the way. OK. Yon was also turned into a film in 1980,

eagerly used as propaganda by the communist regime that was in power at the time to show how Boyars, who are the privileged class of Rich Landon, is subdued the peasant class. The story is very similar to Jagnus, but from the man's perspective, Yarn is poor, obsessed by getting land, and does anything to get it.

He marries the richest girl in the village, but then proceeds to abuse her and cheat with his, cheat on her with his true love, Anna, one of the poorest, but most beautiful in the village. Both films show, on par with Jagdner's story, how much, in Eastern European culture, women were susceptible to being sold, used, and abused for land and power.

At the end of the screening, there was a Q&A with Hugh Welchman, who mentioned all the paintings that make up the movie are for sale. And that anyone can call anyone can own a piece of this wonderful movie. I'll leave the website here, which is shop.thepesantmovie.com. We walk back home from the cinema, remembering our summer times in the countryside, our smiling grandparents always wanting to share stories of their youth, all the taste of sour cherries freshly picked from the tree,

down with the usual, up with kindness and forgiveness, that's from Stefan, on The Pessence. Well, that's really interesting. I mean, you know much more about this than I do. I was just struck by how, I thought the film was powerful, and I think that the technique that's used, which I said is kind of evocative of the loving Vincent. I thought it worked because it enabled the film

to have it's really, really dark moments, but it kind of gave you a layer of, when it, because of the painting, it sort of slightly distances you in a way which I think you need to be distanced during some of the tougher moments. And it's also very beautiful at times. Number nine is Home Alone, back in the cinemas,

or as it's also known, straw dogs for kids. That old thing. Number eight is elf, 20th anniversary of that. Just a mother and a son of a... How old do we all feel that all these anniversary is happening? Number seven, number five in the state is Renaissance, a film by Beyoncé, that's the concept film.

Number six here, number nine in the States is Animal. As I said, not prescreened. If anybody has seen it, has anybody sent us an email? No. Number five, here is Saltburn, which I like very much. I think it's, I think it's Emerald Fennel growing as a filmmaker. Also, with enough, in talking about it,

not enough attention given to just how good Richard E. Grant is in that film. There is a scene at the end of that film when his whole life has sort of fallen apart, and he's at a dinner table sort of looking bedruggled. And without saying almost anything at all, everything about him conveys catastrophe. And I think he's such a talented actor. Number four here, number seven in the States is Napoleon. I did a Q&A thing the other night.

And somebody said, what did I think in Napoleon? I said to them. And it was a woman and I said, what did you think? She said, I didn't like it. And I said, okay, why not? She said, it didn't like it. And I said, okay, why not? She said, it wasn't violent enough. So the biggie pardon. She said, just the battle scenes,

I thought they were quite pretty. And what, including the horse getting hit by the cannonball and the people running at each other, we're pointing, she said, yes, I just think it should have been nastier. Well, I suppose if they were being realistic, it probably would have been, but there's a limit to what you can take.

Yeah, I thought they were pretty nasty. I was just surprised that that was the sticking point, not nasty enough. Number three here, number three in the States, the Hunger Games Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. It's okay. I mean, it's done better than I expected, but as opposed to that's because it's such a popular IP,

I liked the Hunger Games movies, but they did decline from the first one. And I don't know that this was essential, but people have clearly enjoyed it. Number two here, number six in America is Wish, which is Disney telling you how great it's back catalogue is and me agreeing with them and then wondering why they're not doing work on a par with that back catalogue. So number one, it's not out in America yet is Wonka, which is no surprise at all. Okay, so Andy Atchison, heritage listener, third time emergency mailer, it was just wonderful. My wife and I are in our mid 30s, our three daughters are 8, 6 and 4 respectively,

and my dad, who is 68, joined us and even paid for the tickets, which was marvelous. So that's three generations. Well, it was pretty enchanting. So that's three generations. Well, it was pretty enchanting from start to finish, but what will live longest in my memory was a moment early on in the film, when one card first given out his hover chokes to the excited crowd. These are chocolates that make you hover. Yes, many of whom were now floating in mid-air.

I looked along the back row we were sitting on to see my four-year-old perched on my wife's knee, with both her arms in the air as though they were being pulled up by magical strings, totally enraptured in the mouth. Eyes wide, subconsciously imagining that she too was floating under the mystical power of Wonka's magical chocolate stunning. It received a hearty 10 out of 10 from our four six, 34, 37 and 68-year year old attenders. Sadly, my eight year old daughter was something of a strictly ad adict, could only master 9.9. I mean, it's never going to cope with that. We think it's a must watch family film and I know times are tight financially, but see it in the cinema if you can. It is so worth it. The whole cast is superb,

but Olivia Colman, Tom Davidson and Hugh Grant are particularly memorable. Mark, give it another watch. It deserves as much. Well, no, I mean, look, I, you know, I wasn't as crazy about it as that, but I want to know indeed to you, but you absolutely loved it. And I think what you said is the key to all this. You went in thinking, do I need a Willy Wonka prequel and 10 minutes in? You went, oh yes, I do. I'm pretty happy. Harvey Morton in Sheffield, Deer Mrs. Scrubbett and Bleacher, and your fantastic production team.

As soon as the film started, I had a huge smile on my face. I thought the songs were brilliant and the film was full of so much magic. It made me feel nostalgic and reminded me of some of my childhood favorites that I grew up with, like the original Chronicles of 90th Film,

The Lionel Witch in the Wardrobe and the classic 1971 Gene Wilder Wonka film. It was clear that Paul King and Simon Farnaby who clearly crafted Wonka with love and humor. A first sort of timid-tay, Shalame, in Call Me By Your Name, which had a huge impact on me, personally, as I was coming to terms with who I was. And I've followed his work with great interest ever since.

Admittedly, he isn't the best dancer or singer, but his charisma and exuberance carries him through it all. I'm not a huge fan of the film, but I actually think he does sing in dance well. I thought he was more of a song and dance man than I expected. Is this a five-star film, probably not?

But what made it one of my favorites of the years that I was so wrapped up in the Christmas magic of it all? It was so wholesome and watching it in a packed cinema full of lots of smiling faces, made it one of my favorite cinema experiences of it all. It was so wholesome and watching it in a packed cinema full of lots of smiling faces, made it one of my favorite cinema experiences. Thank you for your company every Friday. I started listing during the show's previous incarnation when I was still in school.

I was looked forward to coming home and listing to the newest episode of the podcast. I've always been inspired by you both and have been fortunate enough to start sharing my own film reviews on the radio and as written pieces in recent years. Down with a chocolate cartel and hello to Jason. I think it's great that people are having such a good experience in the cinema. On one hand, it's great for cinemas because I said, but being friends with a few cinema managers,

there is nothing that makes them a heaver, bigger sigh of relief than, you know, a packed cinema of people of all ages, that three generations of family going to see a thing and thinking, wow, it doesn't get any better than this. It certainly is a cinema you can take your kids and your parents too. If you want to do that three generational thing, because the parents and the grandparents

were the original. It does, a mat in Aberdeen, we took a group of 10-year-old girls to see Wonka for birthday party. Everyone enjoyed it, but there was no discussion about the best bits during the meal afterwards. And in the car on the way home, they wanted to listen to the Barbie soundtrack, rather than any other songs from the film. Overall good, but not Paddington. Tickety Tonk and Aloe to Carrie Grant will do our very best mat to pass that on.

After the break, Tyker Wittiti and Gia Salua and next goal wins. This episode is brought to you by Mooby, a curated streaming service dedicated to elevating great cinema from around the globe. From my connect directors to emerging O-Turs, there's always something new to discover, for example. Well, for example, the new Aki Karri's Macchi film Fallen Leaves, which won the jury prize at CAN. That's in cinemas at the moment. And if you see that and think I want to know more about Aki Karri's Mackey, you can go to Mooby the streaming service and there is a retrospective of his films called How to Be a Human. They are also going to be theatrically releasing In January Priscilla, which is a new Sophia couple of film, which I am really looking forward to since I have an Elvis obsession. You can try Mooby Free for 30 days at Mooby.com slash Kermit and Mayo.

That's M-U-B-I dot com slash Kermit and Mayo for a whole month of great cinema for free. Now, today's guests are director, writer and producer, Tyker Wattiti, and American Samoan Footballer, Jaya Salua, who spoke to us about their new film Next Gold Wins. You'll hear our interview with both Tyker and Jaya after this clip from the movie. I've been fired from his last three jobs because he can't control himself. I don't know. He seems okay now. Maybe he's different. I coached the men in their own better than your players. He really shouldn't be doing that. Sure. I mean, look at this place.

You've got to keep order mouse and no screen. None of this sh** makes any sense. You don't even have a full squad of players out there. No wonder you're the worst team in the world. Sironga, you have made you a point and now let me make mine. Now we hear that fast. I honored that you are here. We want to improve. We want to learn from you, but we will not deny who we are just to win.

These are our customs. These are our ways. Your ways are s***. You're failing. It's torture coaching this team. That is a clip from Next Gold Wins. I'm very delighted to say I've been joined by its right and director, Tyker Wattiti. Hello, Tyker. Hello.

Also, Jaya Salua, member of the American Smurff football team that Next Gold Winds is about, first openly non-binary trans woman to compete in a FIFA World Cup qualifier. Hello, Jaya, how are you? Hello, everyone. I'm Simon. This is Mark. I've seen the movie, Mark has seen the documentary on which this is based. So we're a bit between us. We've covered all the bases tag team. That's right. Taker introduces to your movie. Please introduces to next goal wins. So I'm Taker YGT and I'm the filmmaker behind next goal wins, which is, tells the tale, the true tale of the American someone, football team, who famously lost one of the biggest losses, in fact, the biggest international loss in history, 31 nil against Australia in 2001.

And this movie follows the story of how they turned themselves around, got a new coach in and moved from the bottom of the FIFA rankings and they picked themselves up and went on to some success. And did you know, because I mentioned this documentary, which has the same title, when you saw that documentary, Tyker, did you know straight away that this was a movie for you? Yes, I saw the documentary and I thought it was fantastic. And I thought what the world needs is for me to take that documentary and change lots of facts and make it more entertaining and put jokes in it and add weird characters like a priest. So, so, Jaya, explain where you fit in with this story. I was... The documentary was different in the sense that I was one story of many different

stories in the documentary that basically made the storyline something special. But what's pretty rewarding and fulfilling for me personally is that Tyka made Gia's character, one of the lead female roles in the movie. And not only is that special to the trans community, to see a lead trans female in a Hollywood feature film. It's also special to the Fafafini community who are specific to Samoa, but also to the region, the Pacific region, and a lot of indigenous cultures around the world to see all the wonderful things about our culture that is inclusive and that has a special role and place for people like myself. Can you just explain a little bit more about that particular section of American

Samoan culture, which you said, Favafina, can you just explain a little bit how your approach differs to the rest of the world? The literal translation of the word is in the manner of a woman. And so culturally, we understand and realize that our existence is closely associated with the fact that we are assigned the male gender at birth and we embrace that. It's a part of who we are. And also the Fafafine identity has a place in society in the sense that our binary system, our gender binary system is inclusive of, it's not just two genders in Samoa, it's Tene, Tamah, and Fafafina and Fafama,

there's basically four. And the word Fafafina, which I am, is an umbrella term of its own, which is anybody who was assigned the male gender at birth and expresses otherwise. Jay, can I ask you what I know about football would not fill the back of a postage stamp. Simon is a huge football fan, but I have never in my life seen a football match. I punched the air at the end of the documentary that you're such a big part of,

and I thought it was the first time I'd actually seen a football film that made me care about whether or not the ball goes in the back of the net. And you must have had this response from many people. The triumph of it is that you don't have to love football to love that documentary. Has that carried through into the feature that Tyker has made? Definitely.

I think people are all the audiences that I've been in, sharing the experience, watching the film. Everyone has had the same reaction to that they had if they've seen the documentary. That's the beauty of the movie. It just appeals to so many different demographics. You don't necessarily have to be a football fan to enjoy certainly have to be a football fan to enjoy the storyline that is ours. But also, take us creativity help to make it a lot more interesting. And Tyker, since the documentary is so dramatic, what was it that you thought, okay, you made a joke about it just now, you know, I added stuff to it that wasn't I said, but what was it that made you think, okay, this is the root of a,

of a dramatic feature, as opposed to a doc? I think it's exactly, I love a good sports film, but this was like an amazing story about real underdogs who'd suffered this massive loss, and a loss that would have deterred a lot of people, I think, from playing again, and had the determination and tenacity to pick themselves up and to keep trying.

It's something that's very inspirational to me. Not to mention that it was set in the Pacific. I'd been a pretty homesick. I'd just been making two films outside of New Zealand and outside of Polynesia. It was a great opportunity to get home and to put Pacific Islanders on screen and tell our stories and show our parts of our culture to the world. You said, Taker, when you got your Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for JoJo Rabbit, you said, I dedicate this to all the indigenous kids in the world who want to do art and write stories. We are the original storytellers. This is very much part of what you were talking about there. Yeah, and also the type of storytelling, in the Pacific, traditionally it's an oral tradition,

so there was no written word, everything. All stories were told with song, dance, and spoken word and poetry. And as a result, every time you tell a story, you embellish it and more and more things change. And that's how you get myths and legends, and suddenly someone like to fished up some islands know, it was probably just a good fisherman and next thing you know, is fished up bloody New Zealand. So, you know, so and that's what's great,

like retelling these stories, I've definitely taken that approach and you know, added fantastical elements to this part of the film takes place in the future with being told to a flashback to this part of the film takes place in the future with being told to a fleshbeck. And I think allowing yourself there is also a very reflective of the way that we tell stories in the Pacific. Michael Fassbender plays Thomas Rungan, who is this kind of coach with a few problems of his own, who's brought into what he can do with the football team. Why Michael, to what he can do with the football team. Why Michael, we're used to Michael Fasper. Because he's so hilarious, you're seeing all these films. Yeah, well actually, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, originally the idea is that he would might become more of a fall guy for the rest of the team and the community around him. And then I just the more I got to know him, I realised he's also a holder zone in the comedic department, he's a great improviser.

And also just a great person to have on your side. And he brought a lot to that character which, again, Thomas in real life is a sweetheart and it was not as lost as we've made out in the film. And in order to tell a story in my style, I need to change characters and have my way with them. Jaya, you knew the original Thomas wrong. How does Michael Fassbend his version compare as far as your concern? They're very similar in the way they talk, the mannerisms,

and how serious they take football, but they're also very different and unique in Thomas's version that we see and take us story movie is a lot more troubled and lost, like Tyga mentioned. But it's not completely inaccurate to the real Thomas. He also, when he came to American Samoa, he had a lot of issues of his own that he learned to deal with when he came to American Samoa.

And in many ways, my people helped him deal with those issues. So basically, the very similar characters, it one's extremely good looking and the other one is Michael Festbender. There's one thing that I do want to mention, and that is filming football. I had a conversation this week with a an internationally famous footballer, former captain of England, and he was saying how impossible it is to film football correctly. It's very difficult because actors don't look like footballers do.

That's the first issue. How did you go about, I think it's a triumph of the film, that actually I do feel as though I'm watching the American Smoker team. Tell me how you went about filming football. Well, we had some, we had like the two guys who made the documentary, Mike Brent, Steve Jamison, and they were at that game. So they knew the players of the game and the narrative, the whole narrative of the game. So they designed, you know, where we should be seeing things and how we should see it.

Cause it's not really my background. I'm more of a rugby guy, but I agree that it's very hard to make football look exciting as well. Um, as for like them looking like players, you know, that's the great thing about the American Simon documentary and the people that we got, the Simon actors, is they didn't really need to look like your traditional players that people expect. And also they didn't need to practice. They asked if they should take lessons. I said, oh, and the notes are circumstances, should you learn how to play football?

What do you think are the great football films? Because you mentioned, you need to make a football drama. Are there football films that you've looked at in the past and thought, well, that really gets it right? I don't know. I mean, I've seen a lot of... When you start watching films back at your after years, you think, I always notice how clunky

filmmaking is especially in the 80s and 90s. And so I don't know. I, again, I don't know what looks authentic. Oh, I know it's like that, you know, we've tried really hard to make it look good on this film. And I watch it and the people I know, you know, watch the, that's especially the end game in the film. You know, I think that they really believe that, you know, that that's how

the game would have unfolded and that's, yeah, that people were in the right places when you're passing the ball and everything. Jai, and Jai, what do you think will be the impact of this movie on, on American Samoa and how people approach American Samoa? Are you people are going to want to come and see what's going on, I think? I, if anything, people are a lot more interested in American Samoa than they would have been prior to this movie. We have nothing going on for ourselves in American Samoa. But We have nothing going on for ourselves in American Samoa. But people will get to see our culture and our people

and our way of life in this film and hopefully take pieces of our culture to their homes and their communities to make them more happier. I'm just struck, Ty, maybe this must feel like ancient history to you because pre-COVID days feels like another lifetime and you did this in 2020 and there's been COVID since there have been actors and writers Strikes this must feel like a lifetime ago for you. Yeah

It was the end of 2019 we shot this that's four years this month ago that we Wow, that we shot this thing and then I had it like 14 months away from it with the pandemic and I went off and shot Thor and made another whole other movie and then got to edit it in 2022. So it's been a long time coming but again it's just, yeah one lesson I've learned is like don't give up and like there's you know there's, you know, I think some of those things would make it feel like, you know, the film, like someone didn't want the film to be seen, you know, it's endemic and striking everything. And to finally bring it out, it's actually like a real sense of achievement.

But is there something to be gained from having the distance from shooting? But Edith, Derek's always talking about, you know, you go straight out shooting into editing. Is there something that you gain from having that gap? Yeah, I always like to take time in the editing part of it. I never thought I'd have this much time. But it was good for me. Like, I finished shooting the film and then, I don't know, almost a year and a half later,

I got to watch it and I thought, oh, I know what's wrong with this and idiot made this. And so, I started changing things and I figured out how, I know what's wrong with this, and I did it and made this. And so I started changing things and figured out how to shape the story and what is now a really good film. Tyco with T.T. Jai Saluwa, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it very much. Thank you so much guys, appreciate it.

And actually, that's another, we were talking about Wonka in terms of a film that you can quite happily go and see with your kids and with your parents, you know, the whole three generation or thing. And this is one of those movies. So I think you can happily go, you know, whatever your family combination is over Christmas and New Year, here's something that you can actually all watch together. So, the interesting thing about this for me, and so the film certificate is, it's a 12A, well I'm just looking this up, the, you know, 12, that's fine, the documentary it looks like in the language, it was a 15, yeah. So, okay, yes, I should then, based on what you say,

I should say, yes, fair enough, it's not like one. It's one that has no bad language in it. But I remember really clearly seeing the documentary, and I reviewed it when we were doing the show together, and of course, you know a lot about football and I don't. And I said, I went back to my review. I said, whether or not you give two hoots about the beautiful game, and I don't, this charming and uplifting documentary

will have you cheering for the underdogs and wishing that all footballers were this humble, this determined and just this plain decent. And then I talked about you quoting yourself there. No, because I'm just putting this in context and I'm saying that the giant tackles hard comes up smiling and wins the respect of rough coach Thomas wrong. So the first question is do you need a dramatization which kind of hearts back to, do you need a wonka prequel? Probably not, but the thing is, it's a lovely story. I mean, it is a genuinely lovely heartwarming story. And I think that right now, a lovely story about people coming together in unexpected circumstances is very important. At the very beginning, we're told that,

this is a true story, but there have been some dramatic licenses taken. So the dramatic licenses are things like, the coach, he didn't have a temper or drinking problem. He wasn't fired for throwing chairs around on the side of the pitch. He wasn't the stranger for his wife, although he did have a family tragedy.

And he never, ever in real life questioned Jaya. So those things are kind of put in for dramatic effect. And I'm not entirely sure that you need, because in a way, the story itself is so great and so perfect that I'm not sure that it actually needed that tweaking. But if we accept that you're gonna dramat dramatize something internally, that's fine. Okay, so those dramatic licenses we shall take. So the question is, does the drama then

tell the story in a way which is charming and uplifting, or the rest of it? And I think that it kind of does. I don't think it's as good as the documentary because the documentary was so special. And the documentary, I mean, I really mean it it's as good as the documentary because the documentary was so special. I mean, I really mean it. Well, I say the documentary was the first football film I ever really got football. But as the coach fast-bend is, he is funny because he plays it straight because he doesn't play, you know, it's like people saying the way you play drunk is that you try to play sober because drunks act sober. The way you play comedy is you do it straight because that makes it funnier. I think the whole thing about the team who I've just, they're at the bottom of the bottom

of the everything and all they want to do is, you know, if this thing was just one goal, just one, just one goal. And in a way, because the dramatic setup is so simple and so probably like literally get the team to score one goal. Just win once that by the even with all my kind of okay, well, I love the documentary and why are we going back to this. I got to confess that when we got into the final and when they finally doing the match, I was suddenly feeling exactly the same way and there's a thing about I'm cutting back to the people watching on television, which is kind of, it's an age-old trove, but it works for the world. I mean, it's not a work of genius, it's quite dramatically clunky, but it's such a heartwarming story. And honestly, if people go and see this who would

never have seen the documentary. Yeah, so more people, it's a Takahwa Teethy film, more people are going to see it. Precisely. And if you do see it and you do like it, watch the documentary because the doc is so, it's so empowering and so lovely. And I think this is done, it's clearly done with, you know, love and affection, isn't it? It's clearly made by somebody and thinks this story is worth trumpeting. And also from what Takahco was saying, the people who were responsible for the documentary were there to help them make sure that this whole match was the way it was supposed to do. And also because the story has now kind of passed into modern legends, we're saying that the people who say that think about the fishermen who fished up the islands

and pulled up New Zealand. He's a great conversationalist and isn't he? He is really, really fun company. But no, it's such a lovely story that, yeah, go and see it. And particularly at the moment, this is the kind of thing in which it's the triumph of the underdogs pulling together and going just one goal, just one goal. And next goal wins is the name of the movie. So, um, which bridge, I mean, with comedy absolutely writ large, having spoken to Taiko with TT, therefore leads is very, very directly

and clearly into the laughter lift, don't you think? If you say so. Tyker would approve. You know Tyker would approve. Play the music. Hey hey hey. All right, Mark. Mm-hmm. You were a little bit loud in my head. It was a little bit less. Be watching a few James Dean classics this week. Fun fact. Okay. Did you know that he never believed in Father Christmas?

No. He was a rebel without a clause. Hey! Okay. So, I used to be in a band that were described as rebels without a clause. That's also true. That's a better joke. No, it's not. Right, Mark. Not knock.

No, no. Oh, sorry. Who's there? So it's really good if you don't know the former memory. Sorry. I could pass it. Sorry, do it again. Not knock. Who's there?

Ho, ho, ho. Ho, ho, ho. Well, not bad, but you need it again. Not not, who's there? Ho ho ho ho. Ho ho ho ho ho. Well, not bad, but you need to work on your father Christmas. Just a little bit. How much does Father Christmas pay to park his sleigh? I don't know. Nothing is on the house. No, it's on the house, it's on the house very good.

Hey, Mark, he'll be hard for the good lady, ceramicist, her indoors, to beat last year's present. She got me a universal remote. It changed everything. Okay. Not as good as it's on the house. No, on the house is, uh, house is good. Yeah.

She's literally on the house. Yeah. That's right. On the house. The house. It's kind of on the house. Bad for your slates incidentally. Back after this, unless you're a van Gogh Easton, which case we have just one question.

What? And this is fantastic by the way. Okay, okay, okay. This is the, I'm afraid to say, this is the moment of the show that people will be talking about. Okay. What is an interesting thing about the grandson of the 10th President of the United States, John Tyler, who's born in 1790? So I repeat that, it would take some ads.

What is an interesting thing? I mean, it's not even worth, I'm not gonna get that, but. About the grandson of the 10th president of the United States, John Tyler born in 1790, answer after this. So, an interesting thing about the grandson of the 10th president of the United States, John Tyler, born in 1790. When I read that, I thought, is it going to be something to do with what Tyler, who was

the lead of the peasant's revolt is that kind of... I thought it was going to be, was he one of the first people to be killed by an automobile, like the poet who wrote in deal with Grove. The answer is the grandson of the 10th president of the United States is still alive. What? So Harrison Ruffin Tyler was born in 1928. Right. Okay. That's who we're talking about. His father, Lion Gardner, LYON Gardner, who's John Tyler's youngest son was 75. John Tyler was 63 when he had Lion Gardner, which so that's from Lion, John, Lion, Harrison, Ruffentella is still alive. He's old. The grandson of the 10th president of the United States is still alive. Yes.

So somebody who was alive at the same time as Mozart has a living grandchild, because John Tyler was born in 1790, Mozart died in 1790. Wow. So the equivalent of being alive now, and having a living grandchild in 2256. What day are we recording this? Friday.

So, so my, so how old is he? He's 94 94. So be the equivalent of say my grandson. Yeah. Having a living grandchild in 2256, which feels like the space age. Wow. Probably have the grandchild in space. If you went around the table, your Christmas table and said, anyone have a guess? Tell, just guess something about the grandson of the 10th president. No one is going to say, I bet he's still alive. Anyway, Jonathan Paxton, BA Honors in Literature and Media Studies, dear Margo and Sharon, I listen with interest to last week's podcast, in which it was claimed that there are two cinematic occasions in which Margot Robbie watches her own big screen performances

within a film. I cannot clarify on whether or not she does so in Babylon, having not had the time or headspace to view it. Yes, she does. I would though like to dismiss the claim that she does so in one spot of time in Hollywood. In that film, Margot Robbie plays rather well, if a little underused, the movie star Sharon Tate and does indeed within the film pay to see a screening of The Reckon Crew, which Sharon had a supporting role in. However, the film on the screen is the original version of the film, including Sharon Tate's actual performance. So, Miss Robbie does not appear in the film within the film.

She and indeed we are watching and reacting to and appreciating. Mistate's performance, laughing at her pratfalls and appreciating her warm screen presence. Whilst I'm happy to be corrected, I did find this information out earlier this year, whilst revising for my mastermind appearance, where my specialist architect was, the films of Quentin Tarantino. Despite having gone deep into the whole Tarantino canon, even death proof, which I actually quite enjoyed, which I called death wish last week. I could only finish a distinguished fourth behind Fart, which I think is last, behind the far better quizzes than me, but I had a great day. Either of you should definitely give a celebrity version of the show a run. I have been asked Jonathan. The answer is absolutely.

Yeah, mine was not not. Yes, no. So I think, I mean, given that you've done so much work on the films of Quentin Tarantino, we'll let you get away with it. No, it's correct. It is specifically. It is specifically correct. I do want to just take that and put it over in Pettance Corner over there, but no, it is specifically correct. And also, here's the thing, if somebody had made that about a film like Exorcist, I would have done exactly that. I'm sorry, I don't wish to sayist, I would have done exactly, I'm sorry. I don't wish to say this, but just to point out. Just to revisit. In Pettin's corner.

Yes. The apostrophe after the S or after the T and before the S. I think it's after the S because it's Pettin's. But it could be a... Yes. So it's a corner for a Pettin's singular. No, that will be after the T. Yes. But it could be that it could be it could be either. So you can put it anywhere. Yes. Can you put it without an apostrophe? Are you being pedantic as a joke? Yes. Yes. I see. I'm going to cut it. If it's pedant's corner, you have to be absolutely absolutely pedantically correct about it. Yes. Anyway, a couple of good movies. Well, I know there's one that you like.

I don't know about the other ones, so let's talk about the two movies that is out this week. Okay, so three musketeers, Millady, which is the second part of my time, Boba Lawn's Modern Epic Adaptation of Alexander Diversis' 19th Century novel, I always have to refer to him as they do in Shawshank Redemption when he gets given a copy

of the book and he goes, Alexandre Dames, which is once you've heard it, difficult to explain. So two films which, so Musketeer's, Dottagnion was the first one shot back to back and appeared 150 days in 2021, 22. French, German, Spanish, Belgian, Coupreau,

eye-catching locations, big name stars, Vallson, Castell, Yvigri, Lugarelle, Vicki Criepes.ell, Eva Green, Louis Guerrilles, Vicki Creeps. Apparently 900 technicians, 9,000 extras and 650 horses. So we're talking Napoleonic Wars. I bet really could have done it in a week. I know exactly. He would have sent second unit to do it.

So ladies and vlogmas who play by Eva Green, is in a plot to overthrow the crown, our tangents attempting to save Constance. Everyone is double and triple crossing everybody else. It's rumping fair, action, comedy, romance, old-fashioned, but also very modern. Here's a trailer. Je pense bien, monsieur. Vous êtes là. Je sais que c'est vous qui l'avez vendu. Comme dommage, que vous ne vouliez travailler pour moi.

Qu'est-ce que vous fais d'elle ? Vous me prenez cette France. Il me dit à Ruela ou je, genre de tuer. Regarde, elle est enveu. Cette femme t'a renfoutée. Vous êtes détruire d'inténier que ça l'a vous plaît, ce n'est. Que chaque arrêt d'interroyaume sache ce qu'il en coûte de tes filles, Roi. I'm sure you're the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who's the one who The romp romp, cameras, yeah. Cameras world, scenery is chewed. Eva Green has an absolutely fine time playing the, you know, the baddest,

from Alexandra Dumas to the baddest badass on the planet. The screening that I saw, which is in a quite small screening room, the audience were very vocal and enjoying it. People were laughing at the jokes and sort of owing at the action sequences. I mean, it's ripe, it's overcooked. The music, where you heard some of the music, you know, it's doing the kind of, yes, you know, there's all this stuff is happening. So it's

some, it's kind of fun. I mean, if what you want is ripe, overcooked, rumping action with either green, just chewing the whole thing up, that's what you get. Also, French story told in French. French story told in French. I'd like Napoleon. Yeah. So it's, it's kind of fun. It's's you know, it's not going to change the face of cinema, but it's kind of fun. And it's the time of year when a good romp probably isn't out of place. Is that right? Is that your opening line when you get home tonight? Hello, good lady ceramic's terrondors. Apparently ceramicamuses. Sorry. No. Good heavens above. Get that thought out of your heart.

Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, good lady indoors. I just don't think it should. The three musketeers. It's spanking. Anyway, fine. So moving swiftly.

That will be on the poster. That will be for certain. But it'll have it. It'll have a constant. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun. It's good fun. Okay. So the three musketeers, my lady, that will be for certain. But it'll have a constant. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. It's good fun. Okay, so the three Musketeers, my lady, that's out big cinema.

Go see it on a big screen just after you've seen Napoleon and then you'll have overdosed on the friendship. I mean, it's not on the same level as Napoleon. Oh, I can imagine. It's not anything like Napoleon. Which brings us to Godzilla minus one, which is a very interesting, it's an interesting film, but also that's an interesting title. Yeah, so directed by Takashi Yamazaki. This is apparently 37th movie in the Godzilla franchise.

I have to say I went into this not knowing very much about it. It's produced by Toho Studios. We've spoken before about Shiroh Honda's original, the 1954 Godzilla, which when the BFI issued the DVD of the original Godzilla, before it was kind of Americanized, it was a real revelation because you suddenly saw the film as it was originally intended, which it's got very dark, solid themes to it. Anyway, so this plays out in the wake of World War II, a guilty kamikaze pilot, Shikshima, who encounters the titular giant lizard in the end of the war. He is seeking redemption because he has survivors guilt that he hasn't been able to do what he was meant to do. And he's trying to face up to his demons in the wake of the fall of Japan during the war,

by developing a nuclear family after the Tokyo has been destroyed and the nation is at its lowest point. And apparently the title minus one, and I had to look this up because symbolizes Japan's lowest point after the war. And the idea is that you're a zero and then the arrival of the destructive force takes you to minus one. So the film debuted at number one in the Japanese box office

and has gone on to prove a resounding hit around the world and it's kind of easy to see why. It gets the balance between drama and spectacle and proper content, right? It has substance as well as all the other stuff. I think we have a trailer. Do you want to have a look?何で俺たちこんなところに呼ばれたんですかセーフはこの情報を国に防っています 誰かがピンボークチしかなきゃなんなんだよああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ And the trainer actually shows you the beast. Yeah. But here's the thing. I think that the thing about getting the balance right between the spectacle and the

substance is a really difficult thing. So the central story about Kamikaze pilot with survivors guilt, taking responsibility for a child and then dealing with issues of grief and shame and betrayal, that's really important. The rivalries and the camaraderies between the key characters have got just the right amount of melodrama that you become very emotionally engaged in them. There's a story about people pulling together in the face of a kind of existential threat, and it's not to do with relying on governatiozies about people doing the thing that they need to do

in order to get redemption. And like the original Godzilla, opposed to the, you know, the US version, it's a story that features a giant lizard rather than a giant lizard in search of a story, which I think is one of the things that's happened with a lot of Godzilla movie says, I mean, are you saw just in that clip, but the thing has scale, it has real heft and weight. When you see Godzilla, when Godzilla appears, you do get that sense of, I mean,

this is what you should get from Kaiju movies anyway, it's like, it's huge and kind of incomprehensible and sort of like a personification of destruction in a way that is more than the sum of its parts. You get a real sense of awe, real sense of wonder, real sense of jeopardy. There is a great score by Nercosato, who the scores kind of got this, this weird thing that on the, sometimes it's very subtle and it sort of groans and like the, almost like the sound of the earth howling. And at other times, it's, it's getting into the emotional substance of the characters. So you've got proper story, proper characters, proper arc, proper big monster stuff. And the film feels like it's absolutely in the tradition of the original Godzilla,

not kind of what Godzilla. I mean, they have been great Godzilla since, I mean, Shin Godzilla was very good, but it feels like getting it back to the essence of the original story. And I was genuinely surprised by how good it was, and just the other day I was with Kim Newman. And I said, did you see Godzilla Mon is one? He said, yeah, I said, it's great, isn't it? And he went, yeah. And it's, but it was, yeah, it's really properly good gods in the movie. And again, who knew? And a Kaiju movie is defined as giant monsters. So you know, Pacific Rim or something, you know. So that's Kaiju. Yeah, rather than here, Eric Hurst,

In Sacramento. Oh, we have email. Simon Mark, I caught Godzilla, minus one, at a matinee last Saturday, and I came out, lost for words. I thought I was in for a fun Kaiju movie, hence my question. But what I got instead was a heartfelt loving, masterfully crafted piece of cinema that takes the modern monster movie genre, tears holes in the side of it, stomps it into little

pieces and then shoots a heat ray through it. It was absolutely sublime from start to finish. I just say the heat ray sequences are astonishing. I brought a friend of mine who I knew was a huge fan of God's Earth, but had become bitter towards the franchise thanks to the American film starting with the 1998 peace starring Matthew Broderick Godzilla lost in New York. The first thing she commented on was how refreshing it was that the movie simply acknowledged that the original film exists.

Something that has seemed unimportant to the American films. This movie has a clear appreciation of the original film exists, something that has seemed unimportant to the American films. This movie has a clear appreciation of the original film, not just through the music, but also its themes that Godzilla is all about. War, nuclear weapons, civilian casualties, nature, industry, and of course, people. It is a refreshing take on the Godzilla story. I'm so delighted to hear this. I'm great. I'm telling everyone I know to go and see it in theaters, not just because it's one of the best movies to watch in theaters I've seen all year, but it's simply one of the best movies I've seen all year. Happy holidays to you both. There we go. There we go. Fantastic.

I'm really, really chuffed about that, because it's such a surprise that it's as good as it is. Yes, fortunately you weren't lost for words, but you said that you went in it's as good as it is. Yes, fortunately you weren't lost for words, but you said that you went in expecting one thing and you came out. I went in and I was not knowing what to expect at all. And having no, it was said having no sort of pre-seller beforehand.

And then just like 10 minutes in, you go, like you and Wonka, do I need another Godzilla movie? Really? Oh, yes, I do. And it's, as I said, and if anyone gets the chance, do get that. There's still the BFI DVD, it's probably a blue right now, of the original Godzilla Godzilla. Because that film in its original form is a genuine, proper standalone masterpiece. And there's great, there's a great documentary on it as well, about all the fallout of the nuclear testing and the, and the, what's it called, the fishing ship, which was the, was it lucky dragon number nine, in which they brought back the radioactive fish? So, you know, anyway, it's, it's great. It sounds like if you have a, a jaded palette.

Yes. Then this is the, then you say, this is a, a refresher. Yeah, so that if you hear, I mean, we should bear this in mind for next year. If you hear, there's another one of this particular type of movies. Yeah. Or whatever's your rate. Yes. Do we really need that? Well, who knows.

The answer might be yes depending on what they've done with it. Well, this should be a new category. Do we really need that? Yes. Yes, we do. In fact, the way you were talking about it reminds me of the way this is back to Radio One Day. Okay. We talked about Starship Troopers.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. I loved it. Yeah, we're just fantastic. And as I remember, it came out on Boxing Day. It did. It was, it was, it was, okay, Christmas, that was great. And that's gone.

And now we want to shoot people in a huge box. Yes. And then realize that actually we were on the wrong side all along. Now we can experiment on them. Yes, I might keep this movie for boxing, and take all my family and go and see Godzilla. Very good. Very good.

So once you've seen it, let us know. Correspondence at curbidomeo.com. Time for this week's listener correspondence, which has been sent to that very address. What you do is you will call the voice note and then you send it to us. Yes. Like this, for example. Hi Simon and Mark this is Pat Kelman of Sixth So Sixth Distribution based in Cornwall.

We've got Monica coming out this week starring Patricia Clarkson and Trace Lysette. In addition to the amazing Indies playing the film, City World have given us a one night special screening slot at 90 of their sites across the UK on Sunday December 17th. It'll be incredible if your listeners could come along and support this. With no budget for promotion, we don't normally get a chance like this. So the more people that come along, hopefully this will open up opportunities

for small distributors like myself to get their releases seen. To find out where Monika is playing, please go to 606distribution.co.uk forward slash Monika or book direct from cityworld.co.uk. Thanks ever so much. Thank you Pat, from 606 Distribution Promoting, a one night special screening of their film Monica and if you have a zero budget to advertise anything to do with anything to do with

Citramon theatre, then let us know send us an email as patented to correspondence at carbonamau.com. Excellent. Very good. So yeah, seconds, though, to be honest, if it's interesting, 40 seconds. And he will put some production into it. And then I'll ask. And always the key, don't do the what's it. That was very well recorded. It was nicely recveered. It sounds though, he had a decent quality microphone, and he'd maybe done a rehearsal before. It's not always the case. Anyway, that's always the end of tape one. It's been a Sony Music Entertainment production. This week's team, Lily Charlie, Gully, Vicki, Zachi, Matty, Hany, Michael, and Simon Pulle, who gets a full name. Mark, what is your film of the week? Take

a while, guess. I think it's the Meg Ryan, David, a covenine. No. Godzilla minus one. Yeah, Godzilla minus one. Okay. Anyway, don't forget take two is a landed alongside this particular podcast with loads more extra stuff including some extra reviews, for example. Off the top. Oh yes, every body, chicken run, chicken run, dawn of the nuggets, and we're revisiting my stroke because it's dropping on Netflix on the 20th. And take three, we'll be with you on Wednesday. Thank you for listening.