Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour presented by NASCAR on FOX - Chase Briscoe Wins At Talladega & Playoff Pressure Builds Ahead of Martinsville

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Kevin Harvick, Kaitlyn Vincie, and Mamba Smith break down an electric Talladega weekend where Chase Briscoe scored a clutch win to shake up the NASCAR Playoffs. The crew dives into the biggest moments from the race, how Briscoe pulled off the victory, and what it means for the Championship 4 battle. They also break down the playoff picture heading into Martinsville, the final race in the Round of 8, and debate which drivers have momentum—and who’s under the most pressure with everything on the line. Mamba delivers the best social media reactions in Social Sips, and the show wraps up with burnout grades for Briscoe and Martinsville predictions in Last Call. LINK TO SUBMIT PICKS FOR MARTINSVILLE: https://forms.gle/gP5eBuaQMF3hHqCg8 0:00 - Intro 5:48 - Talladega Recap 32:22 - Martinsville Preview 42:32 - Mamba’s Social Sips 53:03 - Last Call! 56:40 - Submit Picks For Martinsville GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Terms: draftkings.com/sportsbook. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I think the rules should change constantly with the super speedway. What the 19 is doing is wildly impressive. I'm reluctant to say, yeah, Blaney's out of it and Lugano is out of it. Brittany and Lugano will whoop my advice out of it. Yeah, they're never out of it. Apparently, I'm going to run full speed and run into shit at the same time. Keep your eyes forward, Kevin. Keeping our eyes forward to Martinsville.

Welcome to Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour, presented by NASCAR on Fox. I'm Kevin Harvick. She's Caitlin Vincy, and he's the one-and-only mama Smith. He's already trying to get me spun out before we even got going. He acted like I had something on my face, yes. I was just itching my nose, and she started itching her nose. I thought it was funny. Yeah, trying to play games already.

Listen, we have nothing but time today, you know? We do. A full slate. Full slate. Might as well start it off right. I like that we have these fall colors going on. I didn't get the memo. You're close.

Teal is, I mean, but I will say you didn't get the fall memo, but the way your fit is put together, The laces match the top The socks match Yeah I mean it's not a hard As long as you keep it to simple colors Yeah

There you go The neutral palette Yeah neutral palettes I didn't even have to ask anybody this morning Well it's because you're learning Kevin Yes I'm a slow learner Yeah but it's working I guess

I mean at least Delano I'm sure it's better for her She only has to put two people together Instead of three people together Yeah we're back to school this week So are we Yeah, had fall break last week. So the kids were home all week. How, so how is that?

I was excited. I was excited that we got back to school. Yeah. I know that feeling, yeah. Yes. It was a big weekend for your family, though. It was, yeah. We went to North Wilkesboro this weekend, and I raced not long.

Had a little engine failure with about 20 laps into the race. But other than that, I got to go sit up on top of the truck and watch Keelan have a great race. with Luke Baldwin there towards the end of the race. And Landon and Connor Hall racing for the late model stock championship. That was intense. So great weekend all around for the cars tour in general with two great finishes. And hopefully capped off. Well, we did cap off another year, but hopefully leading up to another season.

So it was fun weekend. It was those guys, those two kids were racing super hard. Yes, they were. And like, I don't know. I just really love watching that. Because you can see the racecraft in them both. And a lot of times when we watch younger drivers, even older drivers, at the short track level right now, it's weird how people race sometimes

and to watch that type of craft and the coot and the car control for both of them and not running each other completely over. It was interesting, though, because the first time Keelan drove in there and tried to drive in there hard, he kind of hit Luke right in the door. Yep. And the next few times it was like, all right, here's a whole car link. Yeah, it's a little. And then it was, okay, I hit him in the door.

Now I've given him too much room. Now I'm going to slide up there and the finesse got a little bit better. But when you're able to race against people that race well, you can trust them. And you can trust them. And it's not just going to be some surprise hack move here, hack move there from both of them. It puts on good finishes. And so they've, they've raced against each other a couple times.

And the part that I like about last weekend for Keelan in particular is he gets to race against somebody like Luke, who has a ton of short track experience. Obviously, the Smart Tour Modified Champion. He won the championship on Saturday in the Smart Modified Tour. So, you know, Luke's, he's a good little short track racer. I want to see Luke Baldwin at the next level.

He's got something. He has the it factor. And, you know, seeing Tommy around the racetracks always good too. That is always a plus. Yes, for sure. Some good talent coming through the pipeline. I saw your wife posted a cool picture of Keelan's sitting with you

in, I think, a media center years ago. Yeah. Like, she did two pictures back to back. It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's weird when they asked me to come to the media center now for the first time that happened. Obviously, at North Wilkesboro, things are a little bit different because you got enough media there to actually have a press conference.

Have a scrub. And I'm standing up in Victory Lane, just walking around, just trying to stay out of the way. And they're like, hey, we need you in the media center. I'm like, or what? Yeah. Well, you know, you're kind of dad, team owner. Whatever you want to call it, we can position it as.

And in Delaney, I saw that picture she posted. But he used to always go up there and do something silly. I think he had a, he had a stack of hats on his head. That was in Michigan. We were up there up there by ourselves. We used to always like going to Michigan together because we had a golf course and we had a lake and ice cream shop and a pizza parlor and all the things that we always like. like to do up there, but we always had a good time in Michigan. So we would go by ourselves for the most part and just have, have like a father's son weekend every year when we went to Michigan.

Usually we went twice. So that was, I don't know if that was a particular weekend that we got the golf cart stuck under the tree. I think I've told that story on here. Yeah, but we definitely spent some time at the golf course and one time was under the tree. That's so cool, the full circle moments. It's got to be neat for you. Okay, so guys, we have plenty to talk about leaving Talladega. Martinsville is up next. You have some good sips. Really racy sips. Really racy

racy sips. We're going back short track races. I love that. Okay, so we've got plenty to break down. How was Talladega, by the way? You were there. I was there, yeah. How was the energy? Energy was high. Whiskey Myers put on a great show on Saturday night. Is that a guy or a group?

A group. Okay. They're big race fans. Okay. They played at Ryan Blaney's awards. Yeah. Yeah. They're buddies with Ryan. They're also buddies with Rico Abreu on the dirt side.

Like, they like racing. So, and the fans, man, I'm telling you what. They were rowdy. Yeah. I saw, they were rowdy. There was a lot of overalls being worn. A lot of, it was a fun weekend. I don't, did I tell the story about my walk down the boulevard last year?

No. Was this? That's the first time I'd walk down the boulevard was last year. Okay. Well, actually that was this year. Yeah. Talladega. It was this year at Talladega. So I've ridden on the little float and done all the driver things that go down the boulevard. But we were like, all right, let's just ride over there and

walk down the boulevard. This is with the Fox Group, right? Yeah. I think I told this story, but I think I know about it. But you go ahead. We drive the golf cart over there and we park it on the side of the fence and we walk into the boulevard. And the first thing we see are three ladies that should not have their shirts off. Just walking down the boulevard, like... Just like another regular day. Like nothing was happening. You got people walking around in their underwear,

costumes, normal. It's quite the interesting place. Talladega Boulevard. Did you spend some time on the boulevard? Not, not remotely. I saw Whiskey Myers for a hot minute and then... Yeah. That's places like international waters.

That's really what Talladega Boulevard is. Like, the rules there are just very different. Different. Yeah. Well, there really are no rules, it seems. That's what it seems. Yeah. And that's why we love it. Anything goes. Yeah.

Taladayagena. Which is why people fly from all over the place. I think there's some folks in from Alaska. That way, they're like, like, like Taladaga for us is like a must, is a spectacle. It's a must go-to event. You got to experience it.

If you like racing at all, you should go check out Talladega just because it's a... I wonder what it looks like today. I've seen it on days like today. Well, the Talladega social media used to post a funny series of photos the day after of all the weird things they found out in the infield. I don't know if they still do that but it was always

very entertaining. Yeah, we did it one. I did it, we did a video one year and like we went around and picked all that. I said, I'll do it but I would have to be in like a full hazmat. Like I was in a full gloves, boots, like I was not touching stuff with my bare hands, but Talladega was fun. Yeah. You know who loves Talladega? Who? Jeff Gordon. Yeah, oh yes. Jeff Gordon is a big Tallinnah. He is known to go to go to a little bar. Yeah. Yeah, he's a big Talladega fan. There's some interesting competitions that take place at Talladega as well.

You know? Check it out in the spring, y'all. Yeah, you guys got to go. Hopefully we're selling this really well. Okay. As it comes to the race, did you feel like this was a traditional Talladega or did it flow differently? Well, I think it's been what we've seen, right? I think that if I had turned it on with 25 laps to go out, I'd have been like, man, that was a badass race.

But, you know, I think that the fuel mileage and all the things that happened in the beginning of the race, just make it different. And there were savings and not savings and people backing the pace up. But it's very, at the end, it was very exciting to watch and very intense for the way that the race finishes. Now, I understand that there are moments that lead up to getting towards the finish

and the drivers all know how to get to the finish as we watch the video clip here of Kyle Arson running out of gas at the end of the race. And that really broke that bottom line up and allowed Brisco to get underneath Bubba Wallace right there with his teammate tucked in right behind him and Ty Gibbs. And they were able to get themselves organized

and get to the start finish line first. So just a great finish. You know, I think that there's definitely some things that need to happen with Super Speedway racing that allow us to see what we saw at Daytona. I think a lot of that, you know, Do we need another stage? What do we need to do to break up all the fuel mileage, all the fuel mileage stuff to have those lulls in the middle of the race to get rid of those?

I still don't like the fact that I think the rules should change constantly with the Super Speedway cars to keep the teams evolving to keep the competition mixed up. I do think that the Fordson lost a little bit of their advantage compared to the Chevys and the Toyotas this time around, which is as we can. keep going with the same rules, things become more and more even. And then it becomes about strategy. And so I'm a big fan of keeping the rules mixed up at the super speedways. I still don't like the fact that you can push as hard as they can push and not get more rewarded for it. I don't know how we fix that problem of when the two cars get connected, that it's a bigger difference of speed than what it is right now. But the amount of time that they spend pushing and shoving to not have it be mixed up more isn't isn't how it needs to be isn't isn't how you want super speedway racing to be you want to be able to go from the back to the

front and not get when they're all going it's two lanes until they decide to fan out and try to you know make those moves at the end of the race but if those moves only last for a lap or two when people are going and trying to get their their final position for the most part it winds up double file two lanes and they're pushing like that. crazy and not able to get broken away from a lane. I just wish we could understand what we need to do to get those pushes to be more rewarding to get more gain out of the, because you have to, I mean, you have to push really hard, which is why we see most of the wrecks, because, you know, even when we saw the 17 car of Chris Busher get spun out, that didn't happen from the guy

right behind him. That happened from the guy that was pushing the second car in line. And that that the, Byron was probably off the brake and off the, on the brake pedal and off the gas. And the guy behind him and all the momentum from that line just shoved him forward. I mean, that should be a massive advantage to, to that line. So we've got to be able to figure out how to make the, the intensity of the pushes mean more with the, with the speed gain in the cars that are happening. Because they just get locked into that, that double file racing. But awful late to make a change. when it's already end of October

to get to the Daytona 500. So yeah. So two Joe Gibbs racing drivers now know that they will be going to the championship four and it was neat to hear Chase Briscoe talking after the race about, you know, doors that have closed in his career, the ones that have opened. And we all know Chase and he's such a genuine person

and it's really neat to see this opportunity come together for him and to know he's going to race for a championship in the Cup Series. Yeah, I mean, like, he, when we sat here when the playoffs started, I said that, that I thought the most dangerous drivers were the 19 and the 23. You were right.

He was 50% right. It was 50% right. Now, the 23 was dangerous. They should have won Kansas and they didn't and whatever happened, whatever. But listen, the 19 has seven top tens and has an average finish of 5.62. Look at him doing his notes.

Okay. They are, they have been throughout the playoffs. They have been, shoulders above everyone with consistency. And he has, he won, this is a second one in the playoffs. He finished second at Gateway. So, like, it's not like, he could have already had it as a second win. So they've been pushing them.

And then you look at the 24, who's a regular season champion. So at that same time, they only have two top tens, an average finish of 16th. Yeah. So when we talk about the playoff system and people are mad about whatever, Byron not being in it, yeah, Byron has, they have done everything that they were supposed to do in the last couple weeks because some things haven't worked out. You know, the wreck at Vegas

and then kind of getting spit out of line here, coming to the line. But ultimately, where they're finishing is, it's just not up to snuff. That's not what they've been all year, and it's not very good in the playoffs. And this is why the playoffs are cool, is because it all,

when he cuts to this time of the season, it all really, really matters. And who locks in, and it takes luck, right? It's hard to win these things. But what the 19 is doing is wildly impressive. Yeah. And when I interviewed Chase in our winner's interview earlier, the part that intrigues me is how he started to where he is

and being able to evolve with that mindset that, you know, going from surviving knowing that if I don't make this work, I'm not going to get another job again, to I'm a winner now, to now I'm a, I'm a consistent top five contender and can win every week. That mindset that evolution and growth that they've had through the year is pretty impressive. And I think that now it's going to evolve, whether they win or lose this championship at Phoenix, they're going to get that experience.

They're going to have a full evolution of experiencing all the different levels of pressure and evolution as a team and people. When they get to the Daytona 500 next year, you know, I don't see James, James Letting, up on Chase. And I don't see Chase, you know, pushing back to say, hey, I'm not doing this and changing his work ethic because that's what's got them to this point is the evolution of their relationship on and off the racetrack, what works, what doesn't work in the car. They've cycled through all that stuff. And now they're consistent winners and contenders on a week, week to week basis. And, you know, that's quite the difference in mindset from I hope I can get in it.

I hope I can keep my job. And if I don't, I'm not going to get another job to thinking I'm a championship contender. He also won with Johnny Morris. There. Listen, y'all, the difference, when you win, it's huge anyway, and you get the phone call from the sponsors and everyone's happy. But when you win and the sponsor is there because it's so hard to win and so far and few in between that you get to do that with everyone there,

you really solidify your situation. I feel like with a brand. Well, think about this, and Chase told me this earlier. He said the last time Johnny Morris was in Victory Lane at Talladega was with Dale Earnhardt Senior. To have him there and just see how excited he was, he was telling us that it's one of the greatest days

in his company's history, and I didn't even realize he told me had not been in Victory Land in Talladega since with Dale Earnhardt. So that was really, really cool just to see how excited and jacked up he was. And then, you know, it was our third one of the year, so I got to do some three for Dale's with John. in Victory Lane at Talladega.

Yeah, it was a perfect day. 25 years ago. Yeah. Those emotions and memories for Johnny Morris at Talladega flashing the threes in Victory Lane for their third win of the season. Oh, I didn't even think about that. You know, that is something that usually locks in a sponsor

for a long time. When they have those memories and remember the joy and excitement that they got out of it with one of their good friends and now their brand is on a car, they obviously believe in NASCAR racing. But when you look at Johnny Morris in the past, it's Talladega and Bristol that seemed to be the most important races for that brand and having them in Victory Lane,

you know, that's good for the longevity of the partnership. Did a good job. A little more security there. Yeah. Picked a good one to win, for sure. Big moment for Chase Briscoe. So he was happy leaving Talladega. Pretty much every other driver they interviewed seemed rather dejected.

And I want to start with the Penske guys, because both Joey and Ryan seemed to express they were surprised they weren't getting more help. And we had talked to the week before about how well the Fords typically worked together. What do you think was missing for that? Yeah. And, you know, I don't think that those, I think that everybody knows if they put them in a position

to win, they're going to win. And if they can keep them shuffled and put them in the middle of the field, that's going to, you know, make the odds of them having that track position and being able to have that workout out for them. I mean, guys know when you have the dominant car and they're not, let's face it, they're not Dale Earnhardt Jr., right? Or Dale Earnhardt Senior, they don't, people don't want to

see them win and don't want to be a part of their win. And when you get to a point of being dominant, you know, the competitors want to put you in a bad spot. And they got shuffled and put themselves in the middle of the pack. And that was it. And as we talked, I think that that might be it for those guys. I think that I felt like they needed, one of them needed to win this race to get themselves to have a chance to go forward. They didn't capitalize on that. They didn't, one of those cars didn't get to get to Victory Lane.

And I think that that could be the end of their championship run. Yeah, it seemed like they had a good plan that Team Penske had a hole. One of the other two, Sindrick and Barry, was going to kind of stick with the 12. one was going to stick with the 22. It kind of seemed like that was where all their help was coming. And then Barry got an issue with the rear end. It seemed like maybe a rear end burned up a little bit on him. And then Cindrick got caught in a wreck.

So they lost their help. So they lost their two wingmen. Guaranteed wingman. They're guaranteed wingman. And now it's like, all right, how do we reshuffle this? Because of course, RFK and front row want to help the blue ovals as a whole. But like,

trying to make their year. Yeah. A win changes their whole perspective of their year. And I don't fault them. And then you look at the other OEMs, they definitely don't want them in. Yeah.

Right? So it's like, if you're behind one of those guys, you're like, don't help if it doesn't help you. If it doesn't help one of us. Because, and you look at it, right, they get to Phoenix. And they've been inevitable at Phoenix

in the championship race. So to Kevin, point, if you can keep them out, you're going to keep them out. And that's just, that's what happens when you've been dominant. Yeah. And I think that it just doesn't feel the same this year as far as, like, even at Vegas, right, like when you look at the, when you look at the 12 car and the 22 car, it just doesn't feel like they made the jump. And the 12 was going to be good. I mean, but he wasn't going to be dominant. Yeah, yeah. I just think that the dominant, the dominant car is speedwise.

are the Gibbs cars. Yeah. Right now. And that's been the case at most of the places that we've been except for Loudon. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, Joey kind of eloquently said he didn't have the car either. Like besides the strategy, not working, he didn't really have the car. I want to go to the Hendrick Motorsports guys for a moment. Chase Elliott now, 62 points below the line got caught up in an early incident.

Definitely in a must win. Yeah. And I think everybody, I really think that the two guys that have won, obviously you're in a good spot. But I think that really the four guys that are out and the two guys that are in,

all have to race like they're in a must win because it's like you said earlier before we started the show. You've got Kyle Larson and Christopher Bell one point apart. That's it. So they can race each other. So you've got two different agendas, right? Like you know if you're behind Christopher Bell

and you're Kyle Larson that you might be the guy out because you have to assume that one of those other four guys that are not in it are going to have a chance to win. Chase Elliott's definitely in a must win. Ryan Blaney, you know, Joey Lugano. They're all, I mean. All of them have won there in the past, too.

Yeah, that's the crazy part, because they've all won there in the past. This is, the way that this is shaped up, honestly, is so, is cinematic. It's so great. So you look at the two guys in. Denny has the most wins of the, season, right?

So you'd want someone like that to be in. Chase has the most top fives. That's consistently in speed and he has the most polls. So he's in. And then you got Bell, who I think he has the most top tens. And then Larson has the most lead laps. Right? So that's your current top four.

The guys outside of that, any, there's three for sure that I feel I could win. Joey, it's going to take a lot. I just don't think that they've had the raw speed. Yeah. And especially at Martin's where I haven't really seen over the last couple years. It's been a while. 2018 is the last time we won. But Blaney and Blaney, Chase and Byron,

like, it's been every year they've been right up front in the mix. And they went toe to toe with it to duke it out last year. So if I'm Larson and Bell's teams, I'm like, look, we are racing the 20. Yeah, whichever one of us, whichever one of those two is lower, that's the one getting knocked out. Yeah, and the unique part is, and we've had this happen a few times this year.

You got a little bit different left side tire. And that always seems to throw, hey, this is who's going to do it. Here's who's got the advantage because you have this little piece of the puzzle that could change everything, right? And so to me, that's the piece that you just, you have some, you're reluctant. I'm reluctant to say, yeah, Blaney's out of it and Lugano is out of it because of Loudon. Yeah. And, you know, the fact that they put together such a great weekend up there.

So I don't know. I mean, I want to say that Blaney and Ligano are out of it, but I know better than they didn't say they're out of it. Brittany Lugano will whoop my ass if I said. Yeah, they're never out of it. And really, nobody's ever out of it because of the quality of competition and the quality of teams and cars, the level that they race at in the playoffs from preparation

and everything that goes with it. So, you know, I think that any of them could win. They've obviously done that there before. But I think they all have to race to win. Yeah. Yeah. And the agendas are going to be interesting. The lights have never been brighter than they are right now.

And I can't wait for it. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be very interesting to see how it unfolds. I still want to hit some things from Talladega. Denny Hamlin expressing some frustration about their cars because they had a throttle issue. Yeah, I was going to ask. I mean, how concerning is that? Because you also want to have momentum, too, going to Phoenix. Yeah, and they've had this throttle

problem a few times. And when you look at it, I think that's where the frustration from Denny came from on the radio was the fact that they've dealt with that particular issue. But you've talked about some other mechanical issues that go with that car. And, you know, we've seen the break issues that 2311 has had. We see the brake issues. We see the brake issues. that Christopher Bell had there with the rotor. So, you know, the mechanical issues are just, there's been a lot of them. And I think that that was where the frustration has come with Denny in, you know, the power steering that he had at Kansas and all the things that have come with those really fast cars.

They've had some grimlins that go along with that. But that one seems to have been multiple, multiple times that has happened. It's only the 11 that, like the other ones seem to be pretty sound with their week to week. The cars are, I'm not going to say prepare because I don't want to make it sound like the guys back of the shop aren't preparing the car correctly because obviously it's coming to the track fast. I just don't know why it seems to be that. I think fast is different than mechanically sound. Yeah, that's true.

That's fair. You think the processes would be almost the same, but obviously there's something different that is going on. And I'm sure they want to figure that out this week for sure. Yeah, they're definitely not doing it on purpose. You know, I think that, you know, it could be a coincidence, but it seems to be somewhat consistent with that car. Yeah. He says, why can't we keep our cars together?

It was the quote from Denny. What about Kyle Arson, running out of fuel at the very end? We typically don't see something like that out of the five group. Well, we saw a lot of cars pit. You know, I think that the 12 and the, the 20s. when that caution came out, you know, they timed it to get the track position and didn't time it to not get to the end.

And, you know, they timed it for the track position and it put him in a position where they had to pit. So obviously the five was close. Yeah, I mean, without that last caution with the 17, he's probably making it. Yeah. Right? So, like, and I think Cliff even said that

they, Kyle kind of talked about that in his postways. Like they knew they were close. Yes. They thought that once they flipped the switch, they were going to be right there, and it just came up a little short. But get on him for realizing that. Just back in the hell of him.

And just, like, getting completely out of the way. Now, it screwed the 24 regardless. It did. And it really opened it up to where, like, it was Chase Briscoes because he had Gibbs behind him pushing. Yep, teammate. And he had Bubba Wallace, another Toyota on the outside. And then 24 got spit out.

And it just died. Yeah. It was over there. Yeah, my pick got spit out with 100 yards to go. A hundred yards ago. We don't want to address the picks just yet. Listen, that's a little later. Even though that was your pick, he's my champ pick.

And so I need that. Yeah. We're in the spot now. You guys got to win. We got it. Yes, we do. Ours are still alive technically. Yeah.

Bell and Larson. We're still in. We're above. Yeah, one of you guys is making it. Yep. Okay. For sure. So SVG, always in the news for something.

And fortunately, it wasn't a mistake he made. He had an incident coming to pit road, hit the water just right. And that could have been way worse than it was. Yeah, the fact that he was able to spin out like this and nobody else wrecked was pretty spectacular. You know, you see him go through the middle of all those cars and wind up stuck in the grass. And, you know, that water on the apron, obviously it's not ideal. But that is pretty much normal at Talladega. that always has those weepers in the cracks.

And he just caught that seam exactly on. They had a great shot of it, exactly in that seam where the water was running out of it and lost control of the bag of the car. It snapped around quick. And you're already edgy right there with locking up the rear tires coming on to pit road. And he got in there pretty hot

and it just snapped around on him. But the fact that nobody else crashed right there, was pretty lucky. And he's still to top 15. It's Halladega, by the way. It poured. It poured the night before. Yeah.

And they were doing, they were drying the track like leading up, like pre-race got pushed back. So the fact that that was the only incident that we really had with that was surprised, is lucky. I thought he was just going to, I'm like watching it. And I'm like, is he just going to drift this thing all the way down pit road?

Like, it seemed like it was going to kind of catch back straight. And then the 24. and there's the 24, the 20, and the 5 were all being touched by the 88 wall of the side. I thought he was going to bounce off the back of the 20 and straighten back out. But it just kept going. Insane. Exciting moments. Another one happened in stage one when Eric Jones was attempting to push the four, and this caused a pretty big pile up.

And a scary situation, it appeared for A.J. Almondinger. Yeah. And when you look at the situation of this particular incident, I think it's like the other ones. It's coming from the car. the third car in line. And when Eric got to the back bumper of AJ, it just wasn't square.

And with those Chevys and Toyotos, if you're not square, it's going to spin them out with that much momentum. I think the fords are really the only ones that you can get away with not really hitting them square. You can still do the exact same thing with the way that those front bumpers are shaped. But when those Toyotos and Chevroletes bump draft each other,

it's very, very delicate as to being off center like that and spitting the guy out and spinning him out. So AJ took a big shot. We saw him on fire there, and apparently it had the breath knocked out of him. And he was on the ground because he couldn't stay in the car because it was full of smoke while he's trying to catch his breath.

I'm sure most people have had the wind knocked out of him before. And when you're trying to do that. Not you, well, not in the car. I don't remember ever having the breath knocked out of me in the car. Kevin's just a machine. Getting the breath knocked out of you and then trying to get it back. while you're inhaling smoke.

Like, yeah. Sounds like a disaster. Panic in my mind would come in because you can't breathe and I got to think about unstrapping to get out. Yeah. Has that happened? Have you gotten knocked out?

Not in a race car. I've gotten knocked out in other situations. Oh. Have you been knocked out from a punch? No, it was from a lacrosse wall. Oh. Yeah, that, that worked. I only know of one time that I've been knocked out in my life.

How to happen? Well, my sister and I were, playing tag in the front yard. And I look back to see where she was and ran into the tree. I was going to say mine. That's the only time I ever remember being knocked out. I similar fell out of a tree house. Oh, you fell out.

On my back and that knocked me out good for a second. Yeah. You fell out of a tree house? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's how I got this scar on my head too. I was going to act. It was tag inside.

Yeah, I was going to ask. That wasn't from the tree. This was the same situation hitting the door jam. Oh, wow. So you're not going to tag. No, apparently. So the moral of the story is. Apparently, I'm going to run full speed

and run into shit at the same time. Keep your eyes forward, Kevin. Eyes forward. Yeah, we're keeping our eyes forward to Martinsville. That's where we're headed next. You know, man, I'm tremendous. She's a professional. It was incredible.

I'm going to go with that. What's the intensity like for everybody this week leading up to this just... Well, your whole season's on the line if you're one of those guys that hasn't won a race. if you're not Chase Briscoe or Denny Hamlin, your whole season comes down to this to still have a chance.

It's a lot of pressure. And it's a lot of pressure. I would rather be in the four guys below the cut line than the two guys above the cut line. Because you only have one way in. So you only have to think about one way. Those other two guys have to think about winning, protecting points, race in one car,

all the things that come with. that last point spot, if they're not one of those guys that's in contention to win. So that just makes it more difficult. I think that, you know, you can talk about, I'm just going there to, they'll tell you that I'm just going there to win. But in the end, you're going to go there to try to beat Christopher Bell or Kyle Larson. If you're, if you're one of those two guys, you've got to have, you got to have two different agendas. But it's, it's as much pressure as you could ever put on one human being in sports in this type of situation. So it's great if you're Chase Briscoe and Denny Hamlin

because you're just checking the box to get ready for the biggest weekend of the year in Phoenix. But it's a lot of pressure. You've been in that situation, obviously being on a team at this point in the year. It's a lot on the whole group. Yeah, I mean, you are the focus. We talked about when the playoffs started.

You're laser focus when the playoffs start. But when you're in this situation, you're almost like not speaking. Like at the shop, like you just know what your job is. Everyone's just like locked into doing their job. It's not like we're not talking to each other because we're mad at each other. It's just like you're just like you're kind of anxious. Yeah, you're anxious because you're like you don't know how, you hope that you're bringing the fastest piece for your driver to get the job done. Yeah.

And that's the first thing. fast. Because if we're not fast, now we're in really big trouble because we don't have the tools and the time to fix it. So now it's going to come into, all right, what kind of strategy can Rodney on the box get us to get out of this situation? Can the pit crew nail every pit stop? Like, it's a money stop. And, like, can we flip it somehow to get close enough to give Kevin an opportunity to do what he needs to do to get us in? So, like, it all starts at the shop. And the pressure is like, you can cut it with a butter knife when you walk in the shops. And I'm interested to see with the 11 and the 19, like, you guys can be focused on Phoenix, obviously.

But if you bring a fast car to Martinsville, you can definitely affect the outcome and who you're racing against. So how much are you, you know what I mean? No enemies. Just don't make any enemies. That's all you don't want for. for Phoenix, right? Like, asked Danny Hamlin. Look at,

look at he and Chase Elliott, right? I mean, Chase settled the score at Phoenix. So you just don't want to leave Martinsville with any enemies. But it also puts the drivers in a position to where you have to do things that you don't want to do. Right? We saw it with Ross at the Roval. You know, he had to do what he had to do

and tried to, you know, knocked any Hamlin out of the way. I've done it. You know, I had to knock Kyle Busch out of the way and, you know, know, spun him out and wound up spinning myself out and not getting by him when you need one point. So sometimes you got to sacrifice the guy in front of you doing something dumb in order to try to get in. Yeah.

And that's just the position that it puts you in as a driver to do something that is totally outside of your character, totally something that you don't want to do. But you know if you don't do it, it's over. You're going to hear about it. Yeah. And you've got to do things that are uncomfortable sometimes that are just way out of character in order to put yourself into having a chance to get into the playoffs and suffer the consequences later. From my observations covering your Cup career,

it seemed like you really thrive, though, in these situations. I think we were always pretty good at these pressure-pack situations of being able to get everybody in the right mindset and knowing how to be able to focus in on getting everything out of every lap.

And when I say every lap, I mean every lap once that car hits the track, it's one lap of practice at a time, go execute, and qualifying, get the car on to pit road, and, you know, do everything that you can do to minimize the loss and maximize the gain. And it's, there's nothing better than being in these positions when it, when it works. And even when it doesn't work, I mean, that intensity that goes with these types of moments from the driver's standpoint is exhilarating. I know that, I know that

we're, they're talking about a change in the point system and people want 30s and all this stuff. I get it. But those. But those. conversations, that way he just said, like that, you don't get that without some type of playoff format. And it, it just, as a competitor, there is nothing better than competing in, in these situations. I just think that that is the purity of sports as a whole. And I absolutely love that. And I love being in those pressure cooking moments. I got to look up these points. That's why I got my phone out here. If we had the old Winston Cup point standing, it would be a Christopher Bell over Chase Briscoe by 17.

Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that. I wouldn't have either. Kyle Arson would be 209 points behind. So, and then there's another system that I saw where it's like if it was just this point, this points format, how you get points, but season long, it was a completely different. Conversation. It was like four guys in it and they were completely different.

So like, I'm not against a full thing. So is it better to, I mean, if two guys make it all the way to the end of the season and we had two guys race and for the championship that when we got to Phoenix off of the traditional year, would that be okay in your world? I don't care. I mean, that's what I'm asking. Oh, yeah, that's,

is a championship race between two guys as good as it is against four guys, knowing that it comes down to the last race and you've got to do this? This is why I don't like it. If all you have to do is show up and run 15th, I don't think that's very good because these guys are great.

They're going to run 15th. Like the 24 has had an awful playoff run and he's averaging 16th. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, like, that's where I don't, that's what I don't want. It is a complex situation.

Yeah. It's not a very clear answer. I just, I love these moments. It's not a game seven moment that I care about. It's just being in that constant pressure and having to perform. That's the part that I love. So if it's a four race, three race,

end of the year to the championship, I love that because the pressure is, so what about a guy that wins on week 10 and then just kind of, cashes it in until the playoff start. Who does that? I mean, you can't win.

I mean, I mean, there's a lot of times we see, we see guys win, and then the next thing, you know, they're just kind of not there. I think there's a lot of guys that win, and then you don't see them until, until the playoffs start.

Now, they're not going to win the championship. Well, that's kind of my point. Is like anyone who's... But with the, not having the playoff system like we have it, would it make everybody more, honed in the whole year? No, I don't think so because a lot of guys are going to be out of the playoffs by week 10.

Another section are going to be out of it by week 25 and you're going to buy 10 races to go I think you'd only have maybe 5 to 6, 7 that are mathematically in but are not really in. You know what I love? What's that? That I don't have to make this decision. Yeah, no kidding. Because you're going to have 50% of them hate you one way or the other. It doesn't

50% are going to hate you one way or the other. We've learned that. Oh, trust me. This year we have learned. Yeah. I know. So we have to make our predictions, though. What are we predicting?

What we believe the champ four will look like? Ooh. So we know two of them. So who else is going? Yeah. My champ four has been blown up once Danny won Vegas because I didn't have a man. I know, but you can still say who you think is. Yeah.

Did I have men? Yeah. I thought you did. Yeah, probably. So Briscoe and Denny are going to be there. Right. I think that Blaney and Bell also will be. So you're saying, okay, so that, okay.

What do you got? I don't think it changes. You don't think the four, I think the four we have go. Well, but I picked Larson, so I guess I have to. I guess I have to admit to that. I wasn't going to correct you. I'm like, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, so I think someone from the bottom four is going to win. I, listen, and make it in. And my pick for the championship is William Byron. So that's where I'm going with. If William would have won Talladega, I would have said Blaney would be the one in. Right? Like, so for my pick's sake, I'm going with Byron.

But in my brain, if he was already in, I would say that Blaney would be the one winning Martin'sville. So it's a small thought is what you're saying. Small thought. You said it was in your brain. It figured it had to be a small thought. It's not a very big thing. Very small thoughts at a time.

Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of where my brain was. app, but because I have to remain loyal to my original pick, I have to say it would stay the same, then. I mean, Kevin can give you an olive branch and you can. I mean, we let him cheat once, so.

It wasn't cheating. It was just using all the resources, using all the resources. Who do you got? Who do you got? You said it's not changing. I think it's the same four. Okay. I think the four that are in right now stay in. I think it's Larson, Bell, Briscoe, and Hamlin. Well, you're just going have to have to watch on Sunday to find out. It's going to

be very exciting out of the paper clip. I can't wait. Yeah. Guess what? What's your turn? What do you mean? It's my turn. I've been carrying this whole thing. You're up.

Yeah. Do something today. Caleb says my back is hurting. I've been carrying the whole show. Hey, listen. Friends, family. Closers from all over the world. Welcome to Mamba's social sips.

Are we worldly? Huh? Are we worldly? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to start. I told you we're going. short track racing. You ever wonder what you sound like in like Japanese or something?

I don't think I... Do they translate it? No, I don't think they translate it like that. They could with AI. Okay. But I don't think they do that. I would think that the like Japanese and any other country would

not just them, any other country would probably think that you're weird. I hope so. Yeah. Listen, if you want to be number one, you got to be a little odd. You are definitely unique. You got to be odd if you're going to be number one.

Was that the word I was looking for? Unique is it? I think she got you there. Okay. We're going on track racing. My buddy, Rico Aibu, won the High Limits Championship. I think there was actually two races this weekend, and I think I'm pretty sure he swept

him. Won a bunch of money. And that series is super cool what they've been doing, putting it together. It's a great picture of him, Megan, and Gus, their dog and Victory Ane. But the real picture I wanted to show you guys

is this trophy that he won in Texas. Look at this thing. Wow. Look at that long horn. Big longhorn, yeah. That thing is huge. That's funny. That might be one of the coolest trophies that you could win.

Yeah. That is definitely very unique. Yes, very unique. I want to give a shout out to Brad Sweet. I called you weird. She said unique. That's fair. I want to give a shout to Brad Sweet

because Brad is retiring from full-time racing competition. Yep. There's a really cool, a really heartfelt speech that he had on the high limit. socials, I urge you. I wonder how much that has to do with owning the series. I would think that it's to the point where to make it grow,

like he probably feels like he needs to be more involved with the business side. I haven't had any conversation with him, but in my brain... It's a massive undertaking. A lot of work doing both. Yeah. I mean, you run a... I mean, you... I mean, you part owner a series. To do it the way that they do it,

I can't... I mean, we put it a lot of work into the cars tour stuff. I can't... I mean, they race way more than we do. So the workload that goes with that is extremely high. Yeah. And way more places, like how they travel and the whole thing. Good for Brad Sweet, though.

He's had a really impressive career. Yeah. One of the... He's such a nice guy. He's synonymous with that series. He's a great guy. He's a fun guy. So good for him.

And good for Rico and that whole group. Car store. Staying in the short tracks. The championships have been completed. There was a great picture of the driver. and the owners. And this is the end of the late mall stock race. So we have Landon S. Hoffman, who is Shane Huffman's son.

Shane Huffman is the crew chief for Butterbean a lot of the time in the Arcus series. And Cain Quaple driving for J.R.M. Kevin, we talked about Keelan and Luke Baldwin, duking it out. I felt like this was just as good. Absolutely. We were really fortunate to have two really good finishes to our late model races this weekend at North Wilkesboro. So, yeah, I had to think about it there.

Where have I been? I don't know. I'm thinking about where I'm going. But I think when you look at the finishes, I mean, that's what we see half the races all year, are great finishes like that. And you see two guys battling for their first win with Huffman and Guapel.

And, you know, the unique part about Caden and his situation is dad's crew chief. and Travis, Quappell, his dad, Truck Series winner, long-time racing family. To see him, I mean, he works his freaking guts out. And both of those kids work their guts out as well, Carson and Kaden. So to see them win.

And then you have the Huffman family, a long tradition of racing in their family. So both of those kids did a great job. Obviously, Landon came out a little bit short. Yep. on the victory, but led most of the race, did a great job, qualified on the pole. So a great way to end the cars tour season with two great races

in our pro-late model division and late model stocks. Yeah, and we actually got the picture of the champions. I thought this was great. The car owners and their drivers, super cool to see that. I think Delana's, yep, the KHA owner, the real owner is right in the middle there next to Lannon Lewis who won the late model stock champion. And then on the far right, you have Rick Ware, who won, that's Luke, it is Luke.

Luke, yeah. It's Luke Baldwin that's standing there with him, but they won the owner's championship in the pro. And then Ben Mayer, right? Ben Mayer. He won the driver championship in the pro. Yeah, another long, long racing family tradition with the Setsers that build his cars. So that's part of the conversation that I had with a few people this weekend at the racetrack. You look at the Setsers and you look at the Huffman.

and you look at the co-woples and our family and the Earnhardt's and their family. I mean, it's just a racing is a cycle of generation of people and families. And so when you get into this part of the country, in particular, when you look at the generations of racing families, you could go in that garage and find multiple stories, just like the ones that I just mentioned. So it's fun to see the different generations and commons. that families have made to auto racing and racing in general.

If this conversation doesn't make people want to watch Cars Tour and go to Cars Tour races, I don't know what to tell you. Support your local short tracks. Yep. Yes. And speaking, since we're talking about that, I want to give a little shout to Rick Ware in that group because they have decided to do that. And I would love to see more Cup teams, more national, national series owners,

involved on different levels, whether it's just getting their drivers into a race or two or doing a full season, whatever it is, it all helps, it all matters a lot. So, love that. Congratulations, champions.

Hey, we got a mailbag this week. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Michael. Tartaglia. Thank you, thank you. Good job. It's a Italian.

Yeah, it seems like, yeah, very... Dalliano. Yeah, he's one of our Northeastern fans. He says, I'm one of your diehard Northeast fans and love hearing you analyze different tracks. He must be talking about me, not Kevin. In your opinion, what makes the perfect racetrack?

Well, that's a tough question because I think all racetracks go through an evolution. And when you go through that evolution, I just mean the surface being at a point where it's worn out enough. How do you... I would tell you this. I think back to Old Bristol.

And we talk about how great it was, for so many years. But it was really only one lane. It was one lane. And it was great for a different reason because in order to pass somebody had to move them, so the fans loved it. From a racer standpoint,

you like New Bristol, right? Because of the fact that you can run the bottom, you can run the middle, you can run the top. So that's a really delicate question to answer because of the fact that what makes it exciting compared to what makes it racy are two different things.

And I think that You want a racetrack that is that's got a couple grooves, but doesn't take the spectacle out of it of being able to not have to rub on somebody's doors. It's like you look at North Wilkesboro. North Wilkesboro is going to keep getting better and better and better because it's not level. One straightaway's down. One's uphill. Go to the corners. They're kind of banked, but this ends over here.

that ends over there. The Exeter turn four has got a little more banking than the middle of the corner. It's just, it's funky, right? So a good racetrack is not perfect. A good racetrack has great asphalt and it doesn't, you still have to be able to have a little door banging.

Yeah, yeah. When, like at North Wilkesboro, right? You got to lean on them in order to, they can make it super difficult if they want to and you've got to be able to lean on them a little bit and get some donuts on the right side of that thing in order to get by them. And so drivers love racy racetracks, but I think that as we've evolved through time, we also know that a racy racetrack can only be one, to be exciting, it really can't only be one groove.

So you want to be able to race all over the racetrack, but the racetrack that only has one lane was also our most exciting for a long time. So I don't know that there's any right or wrong answer to this. I think you can have a great race at any given moment. But the short tracks, I think, are where the bread and butter is as far as, you know, the size of the racetrack. So we've seen a lot of great races at Loudoun. We've seen a lot of great races at Bristol. One's flat and one's bank. I'm going to tell you right now.

I don't have a perfect answer. I'm sorry, Michael. There's no perfect answer, but they're one of the perfect racetracks, not the perfect. One of the Thunder Road Speed Bowl. Never been there. In Barry, Vermont. You should go. You should go run a race up there.

It's high bank, 24-degree banking, quarter mile. It's racy. You do got to... Is that the one where you kiss the cow? That's where you kiss the cow. That's right. Yeah, we can get you into the milk bowl. Listen, I would love to have you guys join me at a race at my home track.

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This guy, he had it on before you even finish the reed. I got excited. I have so many things to say, but I'm not going. Go Charlotte FC, let's get it. Yeah, yeah. It's inflatable. It is inflatable. You can take that in the pool with you.

He'll keep you afloat. Okay, so we didn't really get to see the burnout, but we're going to try and show our best version of it. What do we think about the Briscoe burnout, Kevin? Well, I don't know what to think because they didn't even show this part that I remember. All I saw was the car parked against the wall with a pile of rubber, so it had to be. just a meltdown session as Chase did the burnout right there against the wall right at the start finish line. So not really in contention for anything at the top of our list. You know, obviously it was a big win. And he melted the tires down and was excited after the race.

But hard to top some of the things that we've seen on the burnout list. So, Chase, you're going to have to work on your burnout. Chase, you're going to just have to go win again. We can see it. next two weeks so we can get you on the list. So, you know, little Gio had a good burnout in the truck series. Did he? Yeah, he did. Because, like, I was the pit reporter, so I was in the truck.

You get to see it. It's like right in front of what you're happening. He did a good job. Good out of him getting that win. I think it's also kind of hard at the Super Speedways because of gearing. The way the gears, the way the cars are geared up, it takes a little bit more effort, I feel like to get anything going. Well, I think that hopefully we can see more of it next time. Yes, please.

We would like to see more. We would like to see some improvement in the points as well. I would. I mean, Kevin's still leading. No surprise there. Take a look, seize. None of us got points, though. We all laid an egg.

But we did. I thought we had good selections. Kevin was with William Byron, Mamba Ryan Priest, Ryan Blaney for me. Can see the standings here. Kevin is still leading. Running out of races, guys. Do I look concerned? she's in trouble.

She has to win the championship to come bring this thing home. Yeah. Yeah. About doubled up. The good news is we laid an egg, but not very many of the fans got it either. No, 3%.

Only 3% of pick Briscoe this week. That's what it says. Honestly, they should have just bet. That 3% should have just gone to draft kings and bet because they would have won some money if they really fuck away. You can submit your picks for Martinsville by scanning the QR code on your screen

or the link in the description of the podcast. So we want everyone to join us for our Martinsville picks. So who wants to go first? How's it being working? It's always me starting because I'm in last. Larry Luzer has to go first. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going with Christopher Bell to win.

But this still would mean the same floor likely would be in. Yeah, I see what you did that. Yeah, you see what I did? I had to. I'm committed. But she has to keep bars. This is a tough one because I'm telling you any of these guys can win. But go ahead.

My championship pick from day one has been William Byron and the 24. I really thought that they would be in already at this point. They're not. But you know what? I know that group is hungry. They have something to prove. There you go. Stamp it.

24 victory lane. Well, I'm going to pull an asshole move right here. You should. It's not going to be my. championship for a pick, but as a defensive gesture, I'm just going to pick William Byron, too, so you don't score any points. Okay. You realize, though.

No. It's all right. Okay. Because you know that I'm going to win the championship and then you're going to lose anyway. What do you mean? Like, like, when Wayne Byron wins the championship, he's not going to win. He's got Christopher Bell winning. Yeah.

I know who he has winning. I'm willing to sacrifice Kyle Arson. This is a sacrificial pick. out of this championship for pick to just make sure that you lose. Oh, wow. I think America will agree with me when I say we need a race-winning pick

for Phoenix and you have your champ pick. What do you mean? What do you mean? Because you don't have to win the race to win the championship. Yeah, but that's not going to happen. I bet for that way. That's not going to happen.

I'm just saying. Okay. Well, you're just going to have to watch and see how it all unfolds. Defense. This is getting very interesting. So we've talked a bit about your Thursday interview. You want to share with us more?

Yeah, we're going to have our cars tour Late Model Stock champion on Landon Lewis, who actually drives the car for Delana and I at KHI. For Delana. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why it says Kevin Harvick Incorporated. But anyway, I think it's going to be fun.

I know that he's probably super nervous, but that's the great part about all of these. late model kids putting them in an atmosphere that they're not used to to get them the experience that they've earned to be able to have an interview like this and have so many of our listeners be able to listen to it.

So butter bean was great. You know, we've had him on here before. So proud of Landon and everything he's done. So I'm looking forward to drilling him. That'll be good. Landon, when guys like Landon get opportunities because he doesn't come from a spot with a ton of money

to get it done, that's what keeps people trying. When you see somebody like that, get an opportunity, that's what keeps them pushing to try and make it too. And I think it's really important. I'm proud of him. He's done a really good job this year.

He's a really nice kid. Yes, he is. And he's very helpful with everybody else that's in his around him. Right? Kevin talks about the circle of life. He is fully bought into keeping that circle right. For sure.

I was very impressed with him when I interviewed him for that cars to a race at North Wilkesboro, just a good kid. And good by you also making opportunities and stuff for all these people and making a difference in their lives. Well, if it wasn't for who he is as a person, we would not race that car full time. That's the bottom line. The only reason that we race that car full time was for him this year, right? Because he deserves an opportunity with who he is as a person and the things that he's done to help not only Keeling, but all the other legend kids that he's been around.

And I mean, the kid delivers golf carts during the week. Out there pressure washing dirty golf carts and taking them to golf courses or picking up body parts or putting a body on a car. I mean, he can build the whole car. So it's rare that you see a kid like this come through our sport and be able to build the whole car himself and have the work ethic that he has. You don't hear many of those stories. So to see him succeed is a lot of.

fun. It'd be hard for him not to with the hornetays around him. He's going to have to, you're going to have to earn it all the way. That's right. That's right. Make sure you don't miss it. You can catch that on Thursday. But it's been fun. We only have a few to go. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. Leave a review. Leave five stars. Send some mail to Mamba. And we'll see everybody after Martin's Well.