Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour presented by NASCAR on FOX - Josh Berry Interview

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

In Episode 44 of “Kevin Harvick’s Happy Hour,” join NASCAR legend Kevin Harvick as he sits down with Josh Berry for a compelling and in-depth conversation! In this episode, Josh Berry reveals his journey to the Cup Series, discussing his early racing days, his pivotal connection with Dale Earnhardt Jr., and the profound impact it had on his career. Kevin also shares behind-the-scenes insights about Josh stepping into the No. 4 car. Don’t miss this exclusive interview, brimming with captivating stories, expert analysis, and an inside look into the world of NASCAR! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I remember the reporters were like, who are you? Yeah. And I'm like, well, you know, race late mall stocks, you know, whatever. And Dale pleaded for me, man. He still is. He still does. Yeah. But he was like, man, this kid, you know, we need a partner.

We need to find this kid opportunity. Like, he deserves it. He can do it. And I think both of us walked out of there that night feeling like something was going to happen. Like something was going to come from that. Welcome to Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour, presented by NASCAR on Fox. And we're excited to have another guest. in studio this week, Josh Barry.

And for me, this is, this is going to be fun because I got, I got a lot of questions of just what you compared to, what the driving styles like, everything that, that's happened with that four cars since, since I've been, been out of it. But tell us about Pocono. You got to, you got, you got to do a little bit of racing this week. What, what did you think? Pocono is a fun track. I really have enjoyed racing there.

And we, you know, we had some good speed. obviously qualified really well, which we kind of qualified better than better than we expected. I feel like based off how practice went. So that was encouraging. But it seemed like we had good pace taken off. We'd build pretty tight later in the run. And I think that's what some of our struggle was. We had kind of up and day, up and down day with the strategy.

You know, had one restart where I got super loose into one and went out of the groove and thought I had a tire going down and pitted. And we couldn't really find anything. So I don't know, really still don't know what exactly happened there. but we battled back from there, led some laps, just kind of just a strategy and everything didn't fall away. What's the hardest thing that you've had to learn as you've gone through this whole journey of going into the four car, running cup races. You ran a few cup races in the nine car. But I tell people a lot when they ask, you know, what do you think about Josh and Rodney or whatever the scenario is? Gosh, you're in your low 30s as far as the amount of races that you've run in a cup car.

and we hear so many people talk about, well, they need 100 races to understand the dynamics of everything that's going on and learn about cup racing. And that's become a lot harder with this particular car. Tell me about your journey, I guess you could say, from the cup races that you ran, transitioning into the four car and everything that you've gone through. And what all has come with that as far as what you've had to learn with the processes and just cup racing in general. Yeah, I think, you know, for one, like you say on the starts, I think sometimes, I feel like sometimes I get looked at that I have more experience than I do necessarily, whether that's in an exfinity cars or cup cars. Because really, you know, I got a later start in my career, but I've raced a lot and I've had, you know, had, you know, a lot of accomplishments in the short track racing that I did before. That sometimes I think I get judged like I'm a little bit more of a veteran than I am, I guess. if you actually look at the paper.

I think last year, you know, going into this, what last year taught me driving HMS was like how hard this was really going to be. You know, I think going there and working with those guys and experiencing all that really gave me a clear indication of just how competitive and how difficult cup racing is, right? So that was great for me in that experience to be around guys like Kyle and William and taking things from them and get the experience. of the obviously on-track racing, but then the experience in the debriefs

and working with the team. So I felt like I went into this knowing that it was going to be difficult. And I think now the biggest thing that I'm looking for, and even now that I've transitioned into the 21 car and having conversations with those guys, it's like, well, how do I take the next step? And to me, that's just consistency, right?

And I don't know if you had asked me, a year ago, well, how does that help? I would say, well, I'd like to work with the same crew chief and the same group for a little bit of time. That's going to change again. So that didn't happen. But I think it's just experience. I think I look at the potential we've shown, right?

We've qualified on the front row a couple of times. We've had a couple top fives, a couple really good races, and then we've had some tough races, too. So I think the biggest thing that I'm looking for is like, how do I, just get more consistent. And I don't know if that's, that's a question that I'm still trying to answer, right? Is that part of my prep or my process or am I being too aggressive, not aggressive enough, or is it just going to be experienced? Yeah, I think a lot of that is experience. I think a lot of that just comes with time just because of the fact that you can, you can help the engineer and you can help the crew chief and you can help them make those calls. and so much of it has become strategy, but also not misleading your team down a path that maybe you're going down and you need to pull the reins back and say, hey, let's take two steps back. And I guess that leads me to my next question. When you come into a situation like you have with the four car and we've had 10 years worth of notes and characteristics and driving styles and theories and everything that we had as a group with Rodney and the engineers, what has that been like?

for you trying to work through what is you're going to have it everybody's got a different driving style and different things that they focus on what have been some of the things that you've focused on and said these don't work with the things that I use compared to the things that you like some of those things that that you and rodney and your engineers have had to work through to just say we need to go a different path what have some of those characteristics changed i think uh on on the short track and you know kind of the unique maybe small intermediates, like your Darlington's, your Dovers. Like, I really feel like that we've really had good success based off what y'all have done

the last couple years, really. The speed's been there, places like Richmond, Martinsville, Darlington was really good for us. I think that's been pretty, you know, kind of plug and play in a way. I think the biggest change has just been the intermediates. And I think a lot of that's just me adapting to this new car and figuring out how I want to drive it and the style I like to drive it. And then obviously Ford has a new body. There's some things different there.

But it seems like that that's where we've had to, you know, basically just focus on getting the car a little bit more secure on entry. I think this was the biggest thing that we fought. And I think that, you know, your driving style, I think, allowed you to run the car a little bit freer than what I like. And with this next-gen car, it's hard, too, because, like, you watch, you have to carry so much throttle into the corner and have this huge shape, you know, and I think that's kind of what I've been finding on,

like, especially early in the year. I was, like, trying to get that comfort of, you know, how the car felt, so I could really learn and experience the race better. Now we're kind of backing off on it. And it's like now I'm coming back more towards where y'all were last year. And so we just need to be somewhere in the middle, I guess. So when you talk about the SMT data and the simulator, how far ingrained into that are you?

Because for me, I was always one of those guys that said, hey, I want to use it, I want to listen, I want to observe, I want to correct some of the conversations that we have between crew chief engineer to try to keep things on track. But how ingrained are you into saying, okay, I like this, I like that from the simulator or watching on SMT, you know, Rodney and I were always communicating. Steve, my engineer, we were always communicating about that stuff. How do you approach that? it's we've been you know trying to find the balance in that i think right because i think in a way obviously i think using the simulator has been really good i think that's been a good tool for us we've had pretty good results with you know some of our better races have been our better simulator sessions or whatever so it's definitely uh we've had some success in that i think that you know

diving into the data and going from practice and stuff's a little bit harder because i think for me, I'm taking in so much information so fast that sometimes it's, it's, you know, we don't want to over analyze it. I think, you know, obviously we spend a lot of time looking at that stuff beforehand, but it's hard, you know, I think back to, I think back to this at Iowa, actually. We practiced okay at Iowa. We come in the next day, it rained in the track, and then like the first couple cars went out to qualify, and they were like two seconds off because the track was so slick. and it just to kept track kept getting faster, getting faster. And Cheddar actually, he's like, leans in the window.

He's like, what are you going to do? And I'm like, I'm going to go hit four good corners. And he's like, that's a good plan. And then we qualified well, right? And sometimes you just, it's that balance of like preparing and focusing on that. But at the same time, just trusting your instincts and what comes natural and just, you know, just going and doing it, really, right? Like I don't think that, you know, the preparation side of things is more so to make things

come more naturally when you're when you're out there doing it I feel like and um on the car stuff like I think I'm just learning right like you know it's too complicated yeah I mean it's just too complicated to completely understand it it's a science project yeah I mean you can't ever but I think for me like you know I think back to there's been so many things happened this year that I think back I'm like man I wish I to you know Nashville was one that comes to mind like we practice okay I was pretty tight but it's like you don't really know how tight you are until you know and then we qualified well so we're like okay well the car you know and then we get in the race and we're way too tight and it's just building that experience is what was just going to take time to know what direction

to send those guys has rodney yelled at you yet um not one time yeah yeah one one time why because over do what over what it was at chicago um which i you know chicago was a difficult day and then I think we had a little bit of miscommunication on whether, you know, he was asking me if I wanted to pit. I said I wanted to, I thought we needed to. And then he said that more or less, it was a misconduct, kind of, yeah, but, and I smart it off to him. And then he chewed my ass, but I deserved it. Yeah. Well, I think back to those moments.

We never, we never yelled at each other much. there was a few times. And we started in 2014, and we started off really good. And then we kind of got into this lull. And Michigan, I mean, we had a disaster on pit road. Should have won the race. And I came in, and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, what am I going to do to see if I can get a rise out of this guy

and see if we can stir things up here a little bit? So I took the steering wheel and I just whacked the dash one time. I'm going to say, well, I'm going to see how he reacts to his dash being torn up in his race car. Wrong move. That pissed him off more than any, that pissed him off more than yelling at him on the radio because he flipped out because I had banged the dash in with the steering wheel. And I did it intentionally just to see if I could get a rise out of him. Well, I got a rise out of him, but it was not productive at all. So it's always interesting to hear those dynamics. But I want to go back. I want to go back. Tell me about your journey of how you got here because we talk about how people think you have been here for a long time. But tell me. me where you started and your journey just through the racing ranks to get to where you are in Cup today. Yeah, so I grew up in Middle Tennessee. I started racing when I was eight, um, racing go carts. It was just me on family. Yeah, flat, yeah, oval. Yeah, asphalt oval at the time. That

was pretty popular. And I raced that for a couple years, um, went to ultimately we, he just got to where it was just too expensive for us to do a lot of traveling. There really wasn't much, you know, there was racing in that area, but we needed to branch out. Um, went to, um, went to, ultimately, we just got to branch out to have more competition and it just got to where it was just too expensive. And we actually decided to build a little four-cylinder car to race at the quarter mile at the National Fairgrounds. We built that. I raced that for two or three years, I think. And then we got a legend car and I raced a legend car there for probably four years. And that's about, so that's when obviously my life gets pretty interesting, I guess, because I was, I think 18 or 19

years old. I was playing racing and I racing a lot. That was when it was becoming more popular. And to me, that was a great way to race, and it didn't cost a lot of money, right? Like, you're racing real people on there, right? Like, it's real competition. And so, and I had success doing that and

enjoyed it. And I got to know Dale on there, just kind of as for-handedly. Yeah, I mean, he was racing on there, too, at the time. I got to be friends with him. You know, they had a, you know, a couple of leagues and stuff they were doing on there. I remember racing in one of the, you know, his league a couple of times. And we just struck up a friendship, really.

And I can't remember, I can't remember exactly how it all started. But I know, you know, Dale was asking me about my past and my history and what I raced and what I did. And I remember sending him some videos of me racing and all this stuff. And he was like, you know, what do you want to do? And I was like, well, man, I just loved to race a late model on time or something. right because at that time I had no there was no plan or path to me to race anything other than than what I was doing now really we could barely afford what we were doing there right and he

asked me if I was interested in testing his late model at at motor mile and of course I was like holy shit yeah so when I you know came over met with them and then we went to a test I want to say it was like January February this was 2010 at motor mom with those guys, the test went good. I ran pretty good. And then he said, all right, well, you can run the first two races. And then we'll see what kind of see from there, right? So I was still living in Tennessee at the time.

We're driving back and forth. Went and ran the first two races at Motor Mile that year. They went fairly decent. You know, there's a good, I can't remember exactly where I finished. I think just outside the top 10 in the first one and maybe inside the top 10 in the second one. There was about 30 cars, I think. All late model stocks. Yeah, late malls.

stocks, yeah. And, you know, after that, he was like, hey, we'll figure out a plant. He's like, we'll figure out something. You know, I'm working on it, whatever. So I went back to Tennessee for a couple months. And then he eventually, yeah, they offered me a job at, because obviously I need, if I was going to move here, I needed money, right, to live. So they offered me a job at Junior Motorsports. As, no, well, no, this was as, as a mechanic in the expensive shop. I say mechanic loosely. I washed the cars after they read you know i did tear down i washed the cars i did pit practice so i had to clean all the wheels glue all the wheels there all the tires drive the pit practice car um and there for a couple months actually i lived with with willy jackson and brenda so that's dale's uh stepdad

and mother uh i lived with them for like a month until the apartment that i was getting came available or whatever. So that was funny story too. And so I worked at the Exfinity shop, kind of at the bottom, you know, sweeping the forward level, right? And then worked on the late model car at nighttime. And eventually that transitioned into where I could go work full-time for the late-money team and just I probably did that for two years. And then eventually that worked where I went full-time just on the late-model team

and obviously got to drive the late-model car full-time. The first year it was kind of part-time here there. And then that transitioned to where I was racing the late model full time and got to work there too. So before you go any further, where did you get your mechanical ability to work on the cars? Because when you've driven our cars and been around our cars, like you're super hands-on. So where did that mechanical ability and knowledge of the race cars start? Is that something that you had to do from the very beginning? Or did you learn that while at junior motorsports and along the way before or after that?

Well, I think when I was in my mid-teens and we were a legend car racing, that's probably when I got, I learned a lot throughout that. I was, you know, really, you know, my dad owned a restaurant. And basically when he, he was either working or we were racing, kind of was where it ended up. So it got to when I was a little bit older and more capable that, you know, I was hands on with the car, right? Like if we were going to a different track, you know, I would change the gear in it.

I would change the oil in it. I would, you know, clean it, whatever and get it ready to go to the next. So really, over time, like I, it's the more I race, the more hands-on I got. And then, but really where I really learned how to work on a race car was when I, you know, started at Junior Motorsports. I would say, like, I learned a lot from there because I actually worked in an exfinding shop with structure and everything that goes along with that. So I learned a lot in that short amount of time. and then when I transition to the late model program, the fun thing, it's tough, but it's fun.

And some people struggle with this is like when you're working there and doing that, like you have to do a little bit of everything, right? So I would say that throughout that process, like I never got to be a really good fabricator or a really good mechanic, but I could do a little bit of everything. And that came from, you know, Brian Schaefer worked there. He still runs that program. He's been just like a second father to me, like great, great part of my life.

And he taught me so much about everything. And I'd say that's where I really started to become more and more hands on. So you have this relationship at junior motorsports. And obviously Dale and I, you know, we have this partnership with Justin Marks and Jeff Burton owning the cars tour. But the thing that I have learned is Kelly's in charge. And I love, I love Kelly to death because she made. that whole thing go around for all of us and our vision and is so much a part of that. And I think it's interesting because of the fact that Dale is Dale, right?

Like he's just, he carries this extreme weight with whether it's late model racing or our sport or whatever it is. But behind the scene, she's really the one making sure that that vision is in place. So when you, when I look at going from the late model team to the Xfinity team, you have the success in the late models. Was that you and Dale talking? How did that opportunity with the Xfinity car come about to actually, I know there wasn't a lot there to make it happen,

but it happened and led you to where you are today? Well, I think it was a number of things, really. So over the course of, you know, 14, 15, 16, I think I got a couple one-off starts here and there. and usually it was kind of like I think the first one you know the first one they kind of just did and then you know we had a sponsor for a couple of them and I remember you know just had a couple one-offs but just a couple of them went pretty good but I just never had that moment where it like went really really good right like the closest to that was I think it was in 2016 I ran a race at Richmond I believe Casey Kane was supposed to drive it and he decided not to because he was in the chase close to the chase something. something, something, something. I remember that. And I drove the 88 car and, like, running the top five the whole night.

And honestly, I stood a chance so probably winning the thing if I had any experience on pit road, right? I was learning all that stuff on the fly. And I wasn't, and I was say to this, too. Like, I remember that night, like, I remember passing Kyle Busch, passing Joey Legano, you know, racing with Chase. I think he ended up winning the race. Like, the expanding series was, that was, it was.

was stacked with cup guys at the time. And I run in the top five, a lot of that race. I think I ended up finishing seventh. And I remember after the race, they come and got me, and they're like, hey, you got to go to the media center. And I'm like, what? I finished seventh, you know? And I'm in there, and it's Chase Elliott, Kyle Bush and me in there because they wanted

to talk to me. And I remember the reporters were like, who are you? Yeah. And I'm like, well, you know, I've race late mall stocks, you know, whatever. And really, and Dale pleaded for me, man. He still is. He still does. But he was like, man, this kid, you know, we need a partner.

We need to find this kid opportunity. Like, he deserves it. He can do it. And I think both of us walked out of there that night feeling like something was going to happen. Like something was going to come from that. And, I mean, I ran two more races the next year. I think I finished. I don't, I think it was top tens or ran in the top ten.

I don't remember exactly where I finished. But nothing really materialized from that like we thought. and I don't know why, really. You know, looking back on, I don't really know why. I think looking, you know, I'm sure I could have done things different. I could have beat on more doors. I could have been, you know, maybe more aggressive in that stuff. But at the same time, I was racing full time in the late mall and loved doing that.

Love racing those and enjoy doing it. And I guess I just am old school in the fact that, like, I think that, you know, if you do well enough, long enough, something will come your way, I guess. And so anyways, after that, like, we really, I would say from 18, 19, 2020, like, I was full-time late model racing, but we were kicking ass. Like, we were winning. We finally won the big race at Martinsville. That was a huge moment for us, winning that race, and we won a lot of cars tour races,

won a cars tour championship. And really at that point, I had kind of made peace with myself that, that I was, wasn't going to race at the top level. And it's not that I didn't want to. It's just I just was like, hey, you know, there's, there's a place in racing for guys like me or Bubba Pollard or Lee Pulliam, Philip Morris. Like, I'm like, if I, if, just because I'm not racing in NASCAR doesn't mean I can't go out and try to be the most badass short track racer in the country, right? And that's where I was at with it. I was like, we, you know, we won Martinsville. That was a big deal. And then we won, you know, this big race, that big race.

Like we, you know, we won at Myrtle Beach. We were just kind of checking things off the list. And I think kind of how I got here, I guess, was in 2020 with COVID and everything going on. So the schedules got jammed up.

Well, we had the race at Ace. And Bobby McCarty and I had a rivalry going there for a while that he was getting the better end of more often than not. And we were racing at Ace. You know, he got in. made contact, I wreck, I multiple laps down. And I kind of, we just collectively as a group, it wasn't just one, it wasn't just me.

It was a collective decision. Actually, Robert, he, you know, was actually the voice of reason. He actually tried to talk me out of it. Believe it or not, he really did. That's unbelievably hard to believe. But I, more or less, I waited for Bobby and wrecked him on the front stretch. He was leading the race about to win. So I got, not my proudest moment, but, you know, I felt like it was time to settle the score or

whatever and be done with it. So ultimately, so then I get suspended a week for wrecking him on purpose, which was well deserved. And uniquely, due to COVID and everything that was going on, we had raced several races at Hickory and won and had accumulated some national points. So I remember calling Dale and being like, hey, I think we can go race for the weekly series national championship. And he's like, really? And I'm like, yeah, like, what do you think about this? And they were like, go do it. So we did.

We went after it, really. You know, we were racing some nights. You know, we'd race Hickory on Saturday and then, you know, load the cars up and then drive to Southern National on Sunday and go race. And they were all twin races. So we would, you know, end up getting like three or four races in in a weekend. When the dust settled from all that, like I think I had won. And counting some of the year-end races that we went back and did.

Like, I won 28 races, I think, that year. I didn't realize it was that maybe. I think it was 28 out of 36 or something. Holy crap. It was something like that. It was stupid. And so then, so yeah, we ended up winning the weekly series national championship. And then I'm doing the media day for that with Dale.

And at the end of it, they announced to me that I'm driving the eight car part-time in 2021. So I had no idea that they- No kidding. I had no idea that was going on. I think Brian knew maybe the day before that they were planning on doing that. that and they surprised me surprised it just threw it on me in the middle of an interview right i'm like whoa holy crap and um i think that you know looking i mean that was just such an incredible opportunity i just remember how happy you know dale was but lb and kelly just to like do it you know

they did and they said hey you know we're going to go it was 12 races at the start of 21 and they were like hey, we just want to go do this and see what happens. Right. It was kind of, and I really, I remember that evening, like, feeling like something, I'm like, I can make it. Like, this is my chance. Like, this can work now. Like, for whatever reason, I didn't feel like that before.

I felt like I wanted to win every late model race in the country and wanted to go race in the snowball derby, wanted to go, you know, wanted to do all these things that I had to check off my bucket list. And then now it's like my mentality changed that day. and I'm like, I can make it. I can make this work. And I don't really know. You know, I think part of the reason that I got that opportunity

was because of how well I did in the late model. I think that there were some people that passed on the opportunity because it wasn't full-time. Some people that might surprise you that didn't want that opportunity because it wasn't full-time and it wasn't this and whatever. And so I got that opportunity. And, you know, the fifth race in, we went up.

martinsale and it changed kind of just changes my life made the made the trajectory of your career go straight to the straight to the top so you go through the exfinity cars you go through dale and i don't know if you know this story but um the management at steward hoss racing actually came to rodney and i said hey we need to find after i told them i told them in july a year and a half before that i was going to going to retire and so at the beginning of the next year they they came to us and said, hey, we need to find, you guys need to decide who you want to drive this car. So Rodney and I talked about it, talked about it, talked about it, talked about it. And he, you know, he was adamant, you know, from the very beginning that he wanted,

he thought it should be you to drive the car. And I had actually never really followed the cars tour stuff or the late model stuff. And so I started going back and looking at those races and watching Nick Infinity races. And we finally both agreed that it needed to be you. And so I called, the first person I called was Dale. I said, hey, here's what I'm thinking. What do you think? And he was just like, absolutely, let me know what I have to do to make it happen.

We will figure it out if that's what we need to do. And that's how that conversation started. I don't know, you know, how it would have all progressed if it wasn't Dale owning the car and Kelly to be able to work through those scenarios to actually. to actually have you come come drive the four cars. So that was pretty cool stuff to see it all play out. Obviously, it didn't play out how we all thought it was going to play out with Stewart House Racing selling their charters and everything. But now you're in a spot probably where you've never been before in your whole career,

going to the 21 car, going to the Wood Brothers, with a stable environment. You have all these pieces in place. You know where you're going to work before the end of July. and what's that feel like? No, it's been a really fun experience, honestly. Getting to know those guys have been, I mean, they're just super good people. Great, great, great people. And just how excited they are for all this, I think it's been really fun.

And then obviously the Wood Brothers has a great relationship with Team Penske. So getting to know some of the guys there, I think that that's going to be a really good relationship for me. I think having the structure and the environment that they create there, I think is going to be a good fit for me. And honestly, one thing that was really important to me, too, is like, you know, working alongside of them and being able to learn from, you know, Joey Legano and Ryan Blaney and Austin throughout that. I think that's only going to accelerate where I'm at as a driver because I feel like, it's like we talked about earlier, I feel like the potentials there, like being able to focus in and harness, you know, corral that and become more consistent.

And I think those guys will have great insight on how to do that. And, uh, I have a funny story, too, before I was going to say, what, the four car thing? Like, the first thing I remember is we were at the Fox Media Day, and you came up to me, and you were like, hey, did anybody call you? And I'm like, I'm like, looking at you like, what? You know, I'm thinking, like, you're going to say something about the cars tour or something like that, and you're like, what? And you're like, the four car.

And I'm like, huh. And I think he told me to ask Dale about it or something like that. So then I get in the car after that, I'm sitting there thinking about it the whole time. So then I get in the car and I'm driving home and I call Dale. And I'm like, hey, did you forget to tell me something? He's like, what? And I'm like, well, Kevin, you know, I said the story. And he's like, oh, yeah, he did, I meant to tell you that.

He didn't, he must have forgot, I guess. Well, I think he was playing dumb because he called me. He's like, hey, you know, Josh asked me about this four car. Is it okay to, can I talk about it? What do I need to do here? And so, you know, you know Dale better than I know Dale. And I think it's just funny because he gets. it's so excited about things and wants to tell everybody.

Yeah. And in that particular moment, he wasn't telling the soul because he didn't want to mess it up for you. So he was actually calling to, you know, to make sure it was okay. But he's been a, it's pretty cool to have somebody like Dale Jr. on your side like that. And obviously you guys have a great relationship of the things that you guys have been through in life, racing.

But I'm super, super happy for you to be able to be in a position to where you can plan your life and have that kind of that calm before the storm before going to the 21 car but know that you're going to be the driver you've got a team you've got a sponsor you've got all the things in place that you've worked for your whole life to get to that point but before i let you go i have to ask you the kind of the the normal question that i ask everybody and that was it's a tough one but what was your what was your very first car do you remember that you that you actually bought and drove when you were able to drive like that i bought myself car yeah um my first car was a s 10 but i didn't i didn't buy that you know my dad bought it was like a

single cab s 10 white like the real small and like the yeah um ones that you see did you do anything to it no just drove it just drove the hell out of it yeah where to go uh did you wreck it sell it we sold it and then i got like a i ended up when i was like later in high school i bought like a little Nissan ultima or something that got a little better gas mileage and stuff but i got a little bit bought down but yeah i don't i don't remember what happened you you had some real some real speed demons yeah yeah yeah you real speed demons well i appreciate you taking the time today uh it's good to i think it's always fun to hear different people's stories and and a lot of these a lot of these trials and tribulations that people have along the way of of everything that that they go through people don't

hear they only they only see what they see on on sundays and saturdays on on on the big tv so uh i appreciate you taking the time good luck well i want to thank josh barry for taking a time to come inside the studio and take all the, all the tough questions, but it's always intriguing to me to hear the path and stories of all these guys and gals that come to the studio. So we thank Josh. We encourage everybody to follow us on YouTube or anywhere else on social media, and we'll see you next week.