Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour presented by NASCAR on FOX - Tyler Reddick Does It Again! Atlanta Chaos, Overtime Drama & JGR’s Lawsuit

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Kevin Harvick, Kaitlyn Vincie, and Mamba Smith break down a chaotic Atlanta Motor Speedway weekend on this episode of Kevin Harvick’s Happy Hour, starting with Tyler Reddick’s incredible comeback victory that makes him the first driver since 2009 to win the season’s first two NASCAR Cup Series races. The crew analyzes how Reddick and 23XI Racing backed up their Daytona 500 statement, Michael Jordan’s presence and pride at the track, Bubba Wallace’s strong points day, and Carson Hocevar’s aggressive overtime drive, while also diving into major incidents involving Kyle Larson, Kyle Busch, Austin Cindric, Denny Hamlin, and others in a caution-filled final stage. They examine Trackhouse Racing’s impressive pace, pit strategy decisions, and what Atlanta revealed about the new points format before shifting to the breaking news of Joe Gibbs Racing filing a federal lawsuit against former competition director Chris Gabehart and what that could mean competitively across the garage. The episode closes with a COTA preview, Mamba’s Social Sips, and fan mailbag questions as the 2026 NASCAR season continues to heat up. 0:00 - Intro 2:47 - Atlanta Weekend Recap 31:49 - JGR Files Lawsuit Against Chris Gabehart 37:04 - COTA Preview 44:30 - Mamba’s Social Sips 51:05 - Last Call Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

They either need to stop talking about them or do something about it. The way I would approach it is, you know, I'd probably reckon the first chance I got. But any data you're actually copying or reproducing or disseminating officially, big no-no. Adam Andready. What about that guy? Welcome to Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour, presented by NASCAR Fox. I'm Kevin Harvick. She's Cape and Vincy.

And I think your mama's been. I'm ready to talk some racing. You are? Yeah. What's about time? Some NASCAR racing. Yeah. Hey, let's do it.

Hey, he's got the beard again. He looks more like himself. Yeah, I think I'm going to have to agree with her on this one. I think that the... I'm going to get comfortable. Yeah, you've been a long day. Get settled in. I think it's...

I think it's better with the beard. Yeah, it's as in like my face. Yeah. It's more mamba. Yeah, okay. I mean, look, man, I can't come into the new season with old energy, so I like to switch it up. So when you shave, it's new energy. Yeah, it's new hair.

It's new. So we're... New beer, new me. We're three weeks in, and now you're old energy. No, now I'm back to normal energy. Normal energy. Yeah. Okay.

But you can call OG energy if you want. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Well, we were just paying you a compliment. Just giving you a compliment at the top of the show. But if you don't want to take the compliment, you can go fly a kite. No, I'll take it.

My mom will appreciate it because I don't get very many compliments between the two people in this chair and then Tyler in the studio. That's not true. Yeah. He's a little bit to hard sell. Well, after you guys rolled me under the bus last week for going pee? First of all, that's not our. fault. You went and the cameras were rolling. What do you want me to do? Yeah.

That was pretty funny. Content. Content. It's for the socials. Welcome in, everybody, to another addition to Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube, our new page, wherever you get your podcast, and follow us where? Harvick Happy Pod. Let's go. Good job. Good job. The deal. Closers.

Love you. He's got that wisdom in his beard. Yeah, do you see that? It's a memory. It's back. Elder statesman. Beer. Memory's back. Yeah, all of it comes back. We have plenty to talk about after a very eventful Atlanta race at Echo Park Speedway. We'll recap that. There's a new lawsuit, guys.

It only took a few weeks, and we already have another lawsuit to talk about. We'll discuss all the Joe Gibbs Racing News and preview Coda. And you got some Sips. We got some good Sips. One of them is a little cringe. I feel bad for my one guy because I can, I feel his pain. And this person literally sent that to me. Like he tagged me in the video.

The guys who was injured. Yeah. So I had to add it. Yeah, so we'll see it in a little bit. Yeah, we got an injury on the show today. Not great. It's okay. You have that.

You'll have that. All right, let's do Kevin's word. Oh, we're getting right into it. Kevin. You need to lead this off correctly. Yeah, I am. Not having confidence in me. Yeah, no, I was.

I was. Nobody thought that you were going to get this word and land the plan correctly. And when I say nobody, I mean, our entire team. I never said that. I said I didn't know what it meant. So I had to look it up. We all had to look it up. because our producers, the one who gave it to us,

and he's the youngest one on the team, so that you'll have that. Oh, so he was against me, too. Everybody was against you, Kev. But you did a great job. Let's run the tape. You talk about Hosevar and having the problems early in the race, but, man, he's had a great start to the season, whether it's been the qualifying races or Bowman Gray,

this race right here. He's run great, and I think that puts a lot of pressure on his teammates, Michael McDowell and Daniel Suarez, because he's kind of mugged everybody as far as the performance that he's had throughout the season so far. You know how I know it was perfect? Because even NASCAR Social Show grabbed it

and put it on mid-broadcast. Oh, yeah, I saw that. You said it very early on, too. That's nice. I knew how I wanted to use it this week. I had practiced. I'm not messing these up this year. Yeah.

No, I believe that. Yeah, I was accepted. No, no, no. I don't think you can stunt me. What does the word mean for people who may not know? Well, it's a gym slang word for basically the coolest guy in the gym. Okay. Oh.

Best looking guy in the gym. Shizzled. Yeah. You know, it's like the best looking guy on this set. Yeah, Caitlin. We have the best looking gal, but we have best, you know, there's only two choices for the guys here. I'm not answering. So.

I already get people mad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, he did do good.

Seriously, I was like, I don't know this word, so I don't think Kevin's going to figure out how to use it correctly. It was pretty easy, actually. The word was easy, but like, you know, how you were going to get it in there. Yeah, well, I did study a little bit. I used the little AI thing. The chat, GPT. Yeah. I had examples, and I had two drivers that I was going to use it for.

Oh, you had a locked in. Ross Chastain. Oh, okay. Yeah, it works for both. Yeah. I see what you're doing there. You're really, like, storytelling. Ross doesn't want to be mugged.

No. by Conor Zillich? No. No. Because they already got it by SVG last year. Yeah. So you can't let the kid do it too. When the example of how to say the word was dog, I'm like, I got this.

That's true. The pronunciation was simple at least. Because some of the pronunciations are a little dicey. Yeah, yeah. Well, and without our encyclopedia, Caitlin, to explain how to say words and what they mean. He doesn't need me anymore. Now they just happen. Now they just happen on the air.

You notice Mike and Clinton are totally clueless. Literally. They don't even react. They don't even react because it's just smooth. It's just smooth operator over there. Well, good job. Thanks. So Atlanta, as I referenced at the top of the show, great racing across all three series.

I felt like this weekend. All of us were there. How was your weekend overall in Atlanta? My weekend was pretty slow. But I'm coming off of Daytona where I did everything under the sun. And it rained out qualifying for the cup cars. So I sat in the production truck. Oh, you did?

Yeah. I watched the truck race. and everything in the production truck. So pure chaos. Yeah. Pure chaos in the truck. Have you sat in a truck before and watched a race? I haven't.

It's pretty fascinating. It's pretty fascinating. We need a camera in there. It's way harder to get it from the trailer to your TV than you think it is. Yeah, people have no idea. No idea. Our people are very good at making it seamless. They do a great job.

So you were there too. I showed up Sunday last minute rode down. That was a long ride. I rode too. Four hours is no joke. Honestly, though, by the time you budget in, going to the air, reported messing with all that, you might as well just drive. No.

That's my feeling. Yeah, no, I'll fly anytime. Oh, well. We differ on that, I guess. I like the solitude of a four-hour drive. Yeah. It was cold outside, though, the solitude. Oh, my God.

You just like to be in your own. Pre-race was an absolute... The wind was freezing. Freezing. So, honestly, shout to all the fans, because, first of all, the crowd was packed. It was a really full house. And then you guys stayed all night, like, into the night. And it did not get above, like, what, 50.

degrees. It felt like it was 20. It was bad with the way that the wind was blowing. And I think the eye opener for me before the race was how hard the wind was blowing. Yeah. But also we had Joey Ligano on how concerned the chatter was about the wind with the way that it was blowing. Yeah. Tail wind down the back straight away.

And those cars always get tied into turn three right there. So you have to, you know, be aware of where you're at. And so the tail wind along with the wind pushing against the left side of the car, all the drivers were pretty concerned. The cruciers were too, because I talked to. Augustine, Halagosson of the 9 and Mike Kelly of the 47. I'm like, how are you guys going to adjust for that? Because if it's not really the car, but your driver is complaining about XYZ, they're like, you can't and he's just going to have to deal with it because if I adjust

for it, then he's going to be really out to lunch. And there's a lot that you just have to deal with there because the cars are just up on top of the racetrack. They're never comfortable. It's by far the most uncomfortable as a driver. They'll be all year because of just the way that the car feels there. and it's when you add that wind in there and we'll get to some of the clips

and you're going to see cars just spin out which is happened without the wind and it's just part of what happens at Atlanta in today's new world and Echo Park Speedway. Before the wind came, the rain came because I was doing the truck race on pit road, torrential downpour,

but we were able to get that race in. And the one thing I want to mention really quickly about that series, I feel a different energy in that garage this year and I've covered trucks for the last 13 years and I even asked a lot of the competitors

about this. and they were like, this is one of the most stacked fields we've had in some time with fully funded rides, really competitive guys. Like, they just feel like that series has been elevated a little bit this season. I want to give them some credit, too, because the drop of the green, they were out of control. And when the checkered flag flew, they were still out of control. Adam Andready. Adam Andready is a dog.

I know. I was like, he was hanging up for dear life. And he did. Like, we've had other people come through that have some experience in stock cars and stuff like that and couldn't do that. Like, brother, you're a dog. I was like, wow, all right. He was getting after that.

He was hanging on. Yeah, and he wound up with a decent finish. Yeah, like 12th, I think. Good for Kyle Busch. Got win number 64. Yeah, and kudos to NASCAR too for getting that race in. Agreed. You know, they used the sunset rule, which is, makes it a definitive end to the race at a specific

time if they clarify it before the race. So 420 was the end of the race. And basically what happens at it happened at 420 was they wound up running two. laps and one lap and then they got the white flag then the checkered flag to end the race at a specific time because we were out of time. The O'Reilly race was going to start and so they had to end at a specific time. So it actually only wound up losing 10 laps, but everybody knew that this is when the race is going to end. So it added a little different level of intrigue to it just because of the fact that you didn't know when the costumes were kind of going to come out. So it kept

everybody wanting to keep themselves positioned towards the front, which they were already doing anyway, but it just became that much more important. Yeah, I want to shout out to NASCAR from that side, the comp director's side, because they made that that comes from that situation, right? The ops people, they did their job on that. But then also in the race, there was a couple of spins

that they didn't throw a caution for because the driver collected it up in really quick time. Yeah, I thought they were on it. You can see it. We talked about it a little bit last week, but you can kind of see the change in philosophy, and I think it's standard now. Well, keep it.

The thing that we have always talked about on here, and I've been pretty critical of NASCAR, been consistently inconsistent, right? Just all over the place with their calls. Now we're a couple weeks into this in multiple races, and we've been consistent. Whether it's right or wrong, it's consistent. And we're not adapting to, well, it's this car spun

or that car spun or we need a caution, we don't need a caution. It's like, oh, that guy spun out. He didn't hit anything. keep it going. And, you know, that's, that's the most important thing is keep it consistent and they're doing a good job so far. Yes, definitely has been a refreshing change in that department. So the cup race, let's move on to the big event there. Once again, we kind of see how this racetrack is demonstrative of how the attrition battle can face, you know, back to back. You were going to do that. Such a big word. Attrition.

Basically, this racetrack demonstrates that you got to overcome attrition. And nobody's, you, did that better than our eventual race winner Tyler Reddick. Did it take you longer to think of that word or do your hair? I'm just curious. Did you search? I wrote that word. Did you come up with that word? Yeah, instantly.

It's right there. Like, as I was typing it out, I was like, this is the word I want to use here. My hair takes way longer. I'm way better at vocabulary. Prep for the show. What was your question? What was the question? Sorry.

I was saying that a lot of teams had to overcome attrition through this. this race and no one did it better than our eventual race winner Tyler Redick. No, he had no fender at the end and wound up winning the race and his car would look like it was actually faster than what it was early in the race. But when you come to Atlanta, you know that the attrition level is going to be high. You're going to have some moments that you're not comfortable. You see the block here at the end from Bubba. He just, I mean, he went to block and he got too high. And when you're racing host of art, he's going to go where you're not.

We saw this throughout the night. but Bubba threw the big block right there and ultimately gave up the middle lane and put him on the outside. And then he wound up fending for his life. And his pusher wound up becoming the leader, Tyler Redick right here, who in the end had a, he had a pretty solid partner behind him. And we heard Chase Briscoe talk afterwards that he just didn't have a car that he felt like had enough speed to really make that big pass or make a run at the end. And you see all those cars up the racetrack right there, tight. SVG getting tight right there going in and turn.

three, but what a start to this season for 2311 in general. And Tyler Reddick went in the first two races with, with, you know, a historic moment. Yeah. It was big. First driver to win the first two races since Matt Kenseth did it in 2009, six in history as well. Yeah.

It's pretty awesome. And it's a little different now because it's two people races. You know what I mean? Like anything could happen at either one of them now. I think what Tyler did and what that group is doing, their cars all have speed and they're all doing what they need to do. And as happy as I think it's a little weird right now over in the 2311 camp because Bubba has been in the position to be winning just like Tyler is

and hasn't finished off. And this time at Echo Park Speedway, it was even closer. I understand what he was going for. I think he was trying to control the front. Like if he makes that block right there, then it's 2311 run in the front row and like they're in control. But he just went a little too far outside. But even if he stayed in that center lane, I think Carson Hosevar is going to the top. I think Carson is going, like you said, wherever Bubba wasn't going to be and he was going to put him three wide.

So he was in the sucker hole. Maybe looking back on it, the only thing he could have done to stayed in front of the 45 and then tried to drag race the 77. But 2311, they got it locked in right now. You mentioned Carson Hosevar. Lap 31, he had a tire issue. At one point, he was two laps down. He also missed pit road the first time around when he had to pit. He was there at the end, though.

And a side window blew out. And a window came out. They had a lot of things happen. But I guess the question I have for you is, what do you like most about what you see out of Carson? Well, I feel like Carson is going to, he's going to take a run. He's going to plug a hole every chance that he gets. He's going to put you three wide.

he's possibly going to put you four wide. If you open the middle up, he's going to, you know, take a chance at like he did right here with Christopher Bell to fill that hole, especially when he's racing for a win. And he's not going to worry about it when he gets out. And I think that's the part where all the other drivers are, it kind of pisses them off. Just because, I mean, he wants to win and he's aggressive.

And he puts a, he's putting, you know, a lot of drivers in a lot of positions that they don't want to be in. Mm-hmm. And he doesn't care. He does not. He does not care. And I think that's, I mean, it's fun to watch. Look, Friday, Saturday in the truck race, he was a company man.

Oh, yes. He was. He made sure that those two trucks finished one, two, right? Great photo moment at the end, by the end, by the way. Great photo moment, the whole thing. And he said it was this, so we're watching the replays of this restart. Like, I know, I understand why C Bell and the 20 group are upset with that, the aggression. But you know that he's behind you.

you know that you can't give him a lane and they gave he gave him just enough like was it really there for most people probably not they're like no but for carson's like oh i see you opening up he jumped the lane and then it closed real quick and that's just i don't think i can really be all that mad at him like as a as a spectator watching it oh that's a spectator you're excited yeah like that's i don't think you're mad at you're excited right if that's my guy that's exactly what i want you do and it's two manufacturers in front of you that aren't your own. Like, there's a whole other level. So he's just trying to get at the front.

If you're a competitor and you're racing against him, what do you do to show him that you're not going to do that to me? I think we got to the point now where if they either need to stop talking about them or do something about it and like don't let him bully you. Like you're getting bullied by someone who, their problem is they're getting bullied by someone who they don't think should be bullying them. Yeah. Like if this was Kevin Harvick doing this or Kevin Harvick tech persona guy, they're like,

man, you just got to watch. Like, Kevin's aggressive and you got to give him, you got to know that. But they're like, he shouldn't be here. Like, they don't have the respect for Carson Holsavar. And he doesn't care anymore because he doesn't care about getting their respect either. So now it's like you see me in your bumper in the back bumper. You got to know. And, you know, I think the way I would approach it is, is, you know, I'd probably reckon the first chance I got.

That's kind of what I would do. I would. I mean, if it was, if it was, when you're trying to get in that position to be able to send a message, you have to show that aggression to send a message. And that was kind of how I would approach it in the past. I don't think he's doing anything wrong. I think he's racing aggressively. But in this deal, when you put people in bad positions over and over and over,

eventually somebody's going to take that method and try to, you know, make sure that they send that message to him that, hey, you can do that to everybody else, but don't do me. So it'll be interesting to see who does that first. I was about to say, who do you, who would you see doing it first? You know, it's really interesting because of the Kyle Bush and Carson Hosevar's situation. I mean, Kyle has been critical of Carson. And I think you could kind of tell in the interview afterward that Carson was somewhat referencing that the Kyle being critical of him.

And Kyle kind of, they didn't, neither one of them said it directly. But in the end, you knew what that, what that, those barbs back and forth meant. So, I mean, Kyle has been critical. But I don't think, I mean, right now, Kyle can't, Kyle hasn't run with, with Hosevar as far as, you know, the speed and being competitive consistently in the first two races. He qualified on the poll. But, I mean, Hosefar was in contention all the way up in the last lap in both races. So I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of guys that talk about it.

But if you're going to take the bull by the horn and send a message, you're going to have to be the one that does it. Someone's going to do it. I don't think they will. So Carson Hosevar finished fourth. Two spots down from him on the leaderboard was Mr. SVG. coming into Atlanta. This was actually pretty impressive because once again he had to deal with multiple situations. He kind of spun on his own.

He got into it with Kyle Larson. We talked about SVG obviously a lot last year. What would we see from him on these other style tracks now that he'd gotten some races under his belt? What did you think of his performance? Well, that and we had a question about where track house was going to be. Well, we've pretty much answered

that question. SVG and Ross Chastain both in the front. See right here Shane just lost the car kind of in the middle three wide, not abnormal there. If you get in unique spots at Atlanta, it'll do that. I've done it. And the wind coming across.

And there's just, yeah, I mean, it's just part of what happens here. But he battled back. He raced in the front. Connor drove to the front. At one point, Ross was consistently in the front and in contention all the way to the, all the way to the checkered flag as well. So he did a great job. And I think that I've said this a number of time.

His racing IQ is extremely high. And he's very mature, so he's methodical about how he's, learns and what he watches and the things that he does to get better. And I think that you see the improvement right here in the first two races. So I think that track house and SVG, you know, Connor has run good. He hasn't had two good finishes, but he's ran decent. He looks like he knows what he's doing. He doesn't look at it. He gets too much for him. No. And I think that, you know, when you look at Ross, I'll think of it in a minute, you know, we had some questions about where they qualified it. at Daytona and he didn't run like he did at Atlanta but at Atlanta they looked like they had

their stuff together yeah the hard thing about this the way the schedule is is now that it's back to back like super like super speedway style racing but Atlanta is so different like it's it is but you need handling so like we're kind of in an in between like I'm really excited to get to Phoenix because we still don't know where where everyone's at well think about this too I mean a guy like William Byron. He crashed in the qualifying race. He crashed in the Daytona 500. He crashed at Atlanta. You only get seven cars. That's three speedways. Yeah. So that's three cars. Now we're going to Cota. So that's four. And we got Talladega. You know, you put yourself in, you can put yourself in a hole really quickly from just where you are with car count in the shop, workload on the team, where you're at in the

points. There's a lot of different things that are that are building up for a number of teams. And oh, by the way, if you had two crappy super speedway races and you suck at road racing. Not good wait. Not a good start. Not a good start. Also, qualifying was rained out for the Cup series. So some teams were already starting behind the eight ball because of the metric. But it didn't seem to impact Chase Briscoe too much because he was still able to be there at the end,

finished as the runner up. That's a solid showing out of them. Well, you know, 19 car was good. 20 car was leading all the way until the end of the first green white checker when they had the accident with Hostvar. So, you know, I think that. that we expect Briscoe to do exactly what Tyler Redick is doing, and we expect Brisco to be as good or better than they were last year

because of them being together. But I think you're seeing that maturity out of the 19 group already. They know they have the expectation to be winners. The expectation is higher than it was last year because they expect to be a championship contender. So it's going to be a fun year because I think that 19 car is strong. and has been strong at the first two races. He had the accident at Daytona,

but finished it off at Atlanta. So keep it on 12, too. Like Ryan Blaney and the 12 group, they made their way through the field twice because they had to start out back and then got caught up and someone had to make it back. Or he had a pit road incident and had to come back through.

I honestly felt like the best Ford was Austin Cendrick. Oh, yeah. You know, I felt like Blaney wasn't as strong as Cendrick. I felt like he wasn't as strong as Ligano. They put themselves in a good spot track position-wise. They're at the end to give themselves a chance. But he wasn't quite as strong as those two forwards. And I think at the beginning of the race, I'm like, man, Austin Cendrick,

he went from 30th all the way up to the win of the first stage. So it was, that was, that was, they need to do that. That two car needs to perform more than just a couple times a year. Yeah, he advanced 23 spots by lap 35. He was hauling. Let's talk about the Kyle's for a minute. I want to start with Kyle Larson, who had a decent car, strong car, but I referenced that he came down on SVG. He said in his post-race interview, he made a mistake.

Obviously, he took ownership for it. He said, I need to listen more, I guess, and not react off what I feel. And Kevin, you've discussed that this format could be, you know, detrimental to them if they have DNFs and situations like this happening regularly. These are the types of moments that we have talked about with Larson. And even he himself, I mean, he talked about it afterwards. He's just got to do better. And there was really no reason to go all the way down the racetrack like that. There was nothing to really be gained in front of him.

And I'm not sure what he was trying to accomplish right there. I mean, obviously he was trying to block a line. But we went back and listened on the broadcast to the spotter. and the spotter the whole time was inside, inside, inside. Yeah. And then it was hang on to it. You guys kind of compared it to like a carbine in your blind spot essentially? Yeah, I mean, that's what he said in his interview afterwards was he didn't, he didn't really get a three wide.

He didn't really know he was three wide and he never got a visual in his mirrors of the 97, but it's in your ear. You know, just you got to take those moments and not try to make them. You can't make every moment spectacular because sometimes it works out like that. Yeah. And that'll bite you in this chase format. We're coming to the stage. Like right there, if you just take the one lane, your door to door, if the 97 beats you, okay, it's one point. Like, obviously we know one point can matter later, but I don't think it, in retrospect, guaranteed.

He went up to get it up 30 some. Yeah, gave up a lot. And maybe a win, because they were up front all day. They were. Kyle Bush wasn't up front, but he was having a decent run, running 13th when he got tight. He kind of had to check up. Noah Gregson was there. He kind of seemed to place the blame on Noah in his post-race interview.

What did you see out of the eights? Well, I saw a frustrated interview out of Kyle Larson. I think that in that moment where he went up the racetrack and got tight, you'll see it at the back of the frame right here. You see him tight right there. Like he's not even trying to go into that line. So he's off the gas with wheel into it. You know, and Noah blips the throttle and then gets into the back bumper.

But at that point, I mean, you can't really place the blame on Noah. They weren't lined up. I mean, you just jammed up into the, into the outside lane and had a few inches in front of the bumper of the four. I don't know how you place any, you know, all the blame on Noah right there. I mean, obviously the eight car spun off of the front bumper of the four, but the eight car also wound up in the lane that the four was coming at in full speed off the throttle. So, you know, I think Kyle was just frustrated. I think it's on him. Yeah.

No, the same thing. I mean, I think Kyle, they had some decent speed. He probably felt like they had something they could compete with, at least be in the mix. And this is, again, one of those tracks that they probably have circled as a place that they can win because they've come closer before. And then the day got shortened. And then it's somebody, again, when it's somebody that you, when it's somebody you're racing with that you don't necessarily have the utmost respect for, it's like insult to injury that that person is the one that got you

that turned you around or whatever so even though Noah didn't do anything wrong the fact that Kyle's already frustrated he's probably been frustrated with Noah's other things before is like easy it makes you an easy target Noah Riley Carson Holsovar like people go after these guys like that

but if you're in Noah's shoes I mean if you lift and get tagged from behind and get spun out you have to protect yourself a little bit too. I mean, you're the guy that slid up in front of him. If you're Noah and dump the throttle and spin out or get hit from behind, that's the risk that you take in these cars. So you've got to protect yourself. I mean, you can't just cast any, I wouldn't cast any of the blame on Noah person. No, it was a racing deal. Yeah. You got tight. Yeah. So Cowbush running 13th when that happened. A driver who ended up finishing 11th on the day was Chase Elliott, actually the highest

finishing Hendrick Motorsports car, but he did have a bad pit stop. Basically overshoots his pit stall has to back up. Then he kind of runs over the hose. Ended up in a 23 seconds for the 19, which is something we don't typically obviously see out of this group. And he was in the, he was in the game at this point, right? Up front. And, you know, after after he slid through the pit box, it took him a long time to get back to the front. He wound up somewhat in contention, but never where he was at this point. So it really, it took them out of the conversation for the rest of the day. Yeah. One thing that probably no one will talk about is so when he did that, he backs up. He kind of backs up deep, but he was still in the box. And then he pulls

back forward again. I don't know if he was doing it on purpose or not, but to do that, didn't mess up the 12. Like, Ryan was right behind him and Ryan was kind of deep in his box. If he stays there, Ryan's hung up there too. You know what I mean? So instead of Chase being like, ah, I'm just going to sit here. He's like, let me make sure I get myself in a position. It doesn't ruin anyone else to stop. Not a normal mistake that we see out of Chase, L.A. Usually, those guys don't make many mistakes. I'm saying, yeah. Usually they overachieve as far as the day on stuff like that.

And that's usually their strong point. But it definitely hurt their chances of being in contention like they were at that particular point in the race. Another team that typically we don't see make a lot of mistakes is Joey Lagano. But with 22 to go, he kind of crossed the nose of Carson Hosevar. We're trying to figure out what all was transpiring there. The aggression level, just hyping up, of course, at the end of the race. What did you see from this incident? You've got to take chances.

I mean, you've got to be aggressive and you've got to get in those scenarios that you can try to control things and block. And I think those guys in the Fords, Ligano, Blaney, I think they had to be a little bit defensive and a little bit overaggressive to try to keep themselves in the game. And I think it just, I think it bit him. I think it was very similar to the Larson deal where he came down the racetrack and he just, he wasn't clear. Yeah. shortly after that was William Byron's big chain reaction pile up. Yeah. Did we get confirmation that it was a tire?

He got loose. He said that he got loose. It snapped. He got into the wall in the middle of one and two. And then this is the aftermath of it coming down to back straight. It looks like it won't steer. And it's just veering down the racetrack. That would be scary if you're approaching that.

Well, and they're full speed. And he's just trying to hang on for dear life to get to pit road. And ultimately caught the door of the two car going down to back. straight away and and caused this this wreck right here. So he had a, he had a pretty good day too as far as the speed and everything and it just just came unraveled. It didn't come together. A lot of incidents at the tail end of this race.

Wow. Yeah. To be expected. It was caution ridden. Yeah. I mean, you have to be aggressive. You have to be willing to crash. You have to be willing to do things that you typically don't.

And, you know, we, we usually the aggressor comes out on the top in these styles of races might cause a few crashes like we like we saw with with hosovar but those are the guys that you want driving your car in in in these situations that are willing to to throw it all out there kept getting colder and colder the cars got faster and faster and the wind never stopped the handling some of them were on i think blaney was on like what did larry say it was almost like a hundred lap a lot of laps yeah a lot of laps on one on two tires like but tires mattered it mattered tires didn't matter It was huge. I was a bit surprised that more of those guys didn't put tires on to try to get themselves in a better position.

We saw 45 priests. A couple of those cars put tires on. One car had fresher tires and get themselves back in a position. And so sometimes I think that some of the crew chiefs and things play the track position game too much. And then it puts the drivers on defense. And your only option is to try to keep them behind you with blocks and do things that are just, outside of the capability of the car. I think that's one thing about the, this car too, is like before we knew the tire situation, like the, how the tire fall off was was pretty, like we knew. We've been

working with us forever. Now we're in a situation with still with this generation of car, the evolution of the tire that Goodyear has been giving us and getting better all the time, but it's hard to know how much new tires is going to be worth. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're still learning that as the years click off. So, you know, you'll see more of that, I'm sure. So it's an eventful race in Atlanta. It was an eventful news cycle leading up to the race as well. Here you go, guys. Joe Gibbs Racing has filed a federal lawsuit against former competition director Christopher Gabehart, accusing him of stealing confidential team information before departing the organization and accepting a leadership role with Spire Motorsports. So Gabehart has

denied these allegations as well, saying they are frivolous and retaliatory claims. So I did speak with some competition directors on the Cup side this weekend in the garage area. And they were explaining to me there's obviously a racer's etiquette when you leave a team and go somewhere else anything you retain in your mind because of course you're going to remember plenty of things that teams do right but any data you're actually copying or reproducing or disseminating officially big no-no is that the understanding well yeah i would agree with that but i think it's this whole cat-mouse game here is is pretty interesting because it's it's been pretty quiet on the gave heart front as to what was happening at spire then the lawsuit comes out.

Then you see the Spire announcement come out, what they call him, the chief motorsports officer. It's kind of confusing as CMO, but that's a different conversation. So, and then you see, so we had the Spire announcement and then the Gabehart tweet or X. Statement, yeah.

Statement. Yeah. So I just thought all that was interesting. I would have thought that you didn't want to say anything, but I guess in that type of situation, I guess I can see the Gabe Hart response, but it was interesting to see the Spired group kind of double down with their announcement as, yeah, he's coming to work here. And here's his position and all that. So this is, this is more drama.

They are not scared. Like, you know what I mean? They double down. Like they double down with their drivers when they're aggressive. Yeah. And they're going to double down with their people. And it's a very interesting situation. I feel like once Gabe Hart made said what he said, right?

his statement, it's like, oh, no, he, he's going to fight this thing for sure, right? So that's the interesting piece because the allegations are pretty heavy. They're pretty, like, those are serious things to say. I think it's an $8 million price tag. It's real, real money. Like, you can go cup racing for some people. And now we know what Gabe Hart makes as well, by the way. Yeah, now we know.

Yeah, now it's going to change. That's the other thing, Caitlin. It's like, it's going to change. Everyone knows what some people are making now at a high level. So now they're looking at their contracts. It's like, hey, wait a minute. I'm going to ask for a little increase here. We're getting up there.

So like this is, this is an interesting thing. So now we're on a second lawsuit. And not quite the magnitude of the NASCAR Jordan lawsuit. Different. It's different. Yeah. It's different. But it, I feel like it's going to set the tone for the expectations of when people

leave teams and just the amount of how this plays out and how much. pressure that it puts on crew chiefs competition directors of wanting to make a change or how teams operate with how they protect their information. Bottom line is they spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on all the all the information that they gather as a team. And so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the quarter of law. We're making very quick leaps from like mid 2000 stuff to like 2025 stuff. You know what I mean? Like how you have conversations with people in the garage. and people share information and what you're doing over here.

Like all those things happen. But now at this day and age, they really can't happen anymore because the IPs. Well, there's an ethics part of it, I think, as well, of how you approach it. And this isn't the first time Joe Gibbs Racing has dealt with this because they just went through it with Jeff Curtis, one of the engineers, who was looking to leave the team and had been sharing information with his. Where did he go? Well, right.

Yeah, our Sierra. We thought it was our Sierra. Yeah. It's interesting that it's them that it's happened to twice. And so what do you think it means for Gaypart? I mean, how do you think the garage views that? Well, I think the interesting part is what it looks like for Spire, right? Like, is he, can he start?

Has he started? Is he going to start? What do we do? You know, so you make this big hire and now it puts you in a position of trying to understand exactly what he can and can't do or is he doing, not doing? So, I mean, with a legal dispute like this of the magnitude that it has become, it's interesting to see, you know, what he can do and how public he can be with Spire Motorsports because they've announced it.

Yeah. They went ahead and announced it. Is he going to show up on pit road and on pit boxes and things with the team now, or does he have to stay away until this is over? Is he allowed to do stuff until the lawsuit goes through, yay or nay? Once again, here's the distraction piece too. that it presents to both organizations, which we talked about last year.

It doesn't look like it's hurt spire so far. They're proud of it. They're proud of this. Well, yeah, it'll be interesting to follow this. I'm sure we'll have to bring Bob in at some point for all his legal mumbo-jumbo. He's so good at those things to break it all down. Too much for me in this seat, that's for sure. So again, a lot happened in Atlanta. Two Super Speedway races, essentially, first of the schedule.

Now we're doing something totally different. We're headed to the road course. Circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas. obviously Kevin you have experience racing there the first one was a bit dicey with the weather yeah yeah we learned a lot about rain tires that's crazy running a buck 60 down the back straight away and you can't see in the spray and hit in a car fun fun memories anything up there I'm not sure can't see through the monsoon just keep going I'm going to the corner five four three turn right that was scary it was wild it was pretty scary when you go down the back straight away and you can't see and you're looking at the guardrail trying to make sure you're going the right direction down straightaway. That was your reference. You had to use the guardrail because you couldn't see it in

front of you. I don't know what the forecast looks like this weekend, but let's hope that it is not something similar to that. Yeah, I hadn't looked either. When it's dry and normal conditions, what are the keys of that place? It's a tough track. It's a beautiful facility. We changed the track last year to shorten the lap time. So we took a big section of, you know, over there off of 10, 11, 9, 10, 11, somewhere in that section of the racetrack. And we take the little cut through now. But, you know, the curiosity for me is can SVG win at Cota? He hasn't won at Cota. Is there, is, is that a trend because of the style of racing, that the racetrack is and his style that goes with the car? Can Connor Zillich keep up with his teammate? Are we going to see that that first battle?

We've seen Connor drive there and, and do the things that he's done there. Or is he just going to, is he still trying to figure out the cup car? And can anybody else, has anybody else made any ground to keep up with SVG. I mean, that's really the story of the road race. I interrupt this program to say that Tyler, our producer, just informed me it will be 80 and sunny this weekend. So there we can temper all those spheres. I'm going to bring my shorts and tank tops.

There you go. Cut off. I'm going to bring my vest because it's, you know, we're cowboy. Are you going? Yeah. He's going for RAM. I'll be out there. I'll be out there.

I will not, though, so you guys have to hold down the fort for me. Listen, brother, we'd be burning it down. So if you can't do an interview, just come over and tell me. Is there any way I can get to schedule those things? Actually, yeah. We've been outside doing some interviews, and then they start those burnouts, and the next thing you know, they just go and go and go and go. Is it on the little platform?

No. It's ratchet-strapped down to the ground. Then we just sit there and burn the tires off. Burn it right off. Burn those Goodyear Eagles right to the car. Who's in charge of driving? Driving it is my guy named Chase Crawford. Okay.

Who's in charge of getting it going is, you know, this guy. What do you mean getting it going? I mean, I'm like, you know, I get the people. Oh, you're the high guy. Yeah. So you're. We know. He's a hype. You're ram hype. I'm big time.

Hit a ram hype. Chief Ram hype. Chief Ram hype. Chief Ram hype. Yeah, that's me. Love that. You're the CRH. R-A-M, baby. Yes. CRH-R-H-R-H-R-A-M. Chief Ramp. C. Don't worry yourself, catch. Kevin's had a lot of thoughts on his brain today. He brings up a good point, though. This will be really fun to watch the battle with SVG and Connor Zillage now under the same roof, the first road course of the year. I'm excited to watch those two of who can get the bragging rights. Yeah, you guys are talking about those two, but I'm thinking about someone who really needs it. Ty Gibbs.

Oh, yeah, but he's good there. So he's been really good at the road courses. And let me, I know there's a lot of fans that did not want to talk about points. But you have to. But I'm sorry, they're almost kind of more important than this winning rate. Like, it's what you wanted. Have you guys looked at them? They're pretty interesting right now.

So 16th right now is SVG. SVG is 80 points out of the lead. Denny Hamlin is 27th, 93 points out. C-bell and the 20 group is 100 points out. 31st. Bowman is 107 points out. Two bad races in a row for them. Gibbs is 108 points out. So the question I have, and I was asking some guys on pit road,

how many Mulligans do you think you're going to be able to get? Because it's different when you get them at the beginning of the year versus middle of the year. Like how many? Okay, so hold on. So the Mulligans are one thing. I think that like Briscoe went from the trunk to 15th, right? 15th or 16th. Okay.

That's great. But you're not winning the championship unless you're in the top six, maybe five. So you can make, you can get some Mulligans and get yourself back into the playoffs. Yeah. But if you get too far behind and just make the chase, you're not winning the championship. So think about that.

Like being 11th in the points and being. in the chase, that's great, but you're not winning a championship. So those top five or six guys get too far away, it's over. Like you're not contending to win the championship if you're past six place. You can only make these massive leaps at the beginning of the year when the points are still close. Yes.

Once we get to the middle of the year around, say, the in-season challenge time, I believe that if you're outside at 20, you're not even thinking about going into the chase because I don't think you're going to be able to make it. And I think it's good. The landscape is going to be very interesting and how hard people are racing and what they're racing for. Because now you can't just get in by winning. Like you can't just hail marry it and get in. Now if you have remarried and ruin someone else's day, there's no real reward for you for doing that. Not at all. So now what are we going to do? Yeah. So it's going to be very interesting. And I'm ringing the bell on the 48. Like all three of his teammates have been in contention at

at some point in those other two races. And he has been non-existent. Him and honestly, Denny not having being great on road courses. I mean, I believe he'll win like three or four races this year, but you just don't want to, to your point, if he's beyond six or seventh, the championship, it's over. Not going to happen, both. And we have the other question, too, with Brad Kozlowski. Is he even going to race this weekend?

Joey Han's going to try. He's going to be on hand to drive the car. But we already know Brad is not good on the road courses. So why not just get out and let your leg heal and just put Joey hand in there. You're probably going to finish better anyway. Probably. Yeah, so those are some of the teams you're concerned about.

Besides the obvious of the SVGs of the world, who else do you think has a legitimate shot at a victory? Well, I mean, you have to look at, I think Ty Gibbs is great to bring into this conversation with where he's been on the road course stuff. Christopher Bell won there last year. Tyler Reddick has won there. So I think you have to take, I mean, Chastain has won there.

I think Kyle Bush will be okay here. I was about to say, Kyle Busch has been good. This has been a pretty good track for him. So I think you have to bring some of those guys into the conversation based off of past history. Yeah, William Byron is another one. He's been good at Carter. Okay, we'll have to see how it all unfold. You two have fun out there in Austin, Texas.

Don't cause too much trouble. We'll get you some boots. Line dancing bars. Listen, the line dancing bars. I do be loving some Austin Nightlife. Oh, we know. At the RAM display, Kevin, there is a RAM that we call it conquer the hemie. It's a ram and you can ride it and we'll give you a free t-shirt.

I think you should come on out. Wow, what an incentive. Is it like a bull? A free t-shirt. So it's like a mechanical bowl? Yeah. I would love to come out there and run the bull with you riding it. I mean, deal.

That's a good idea. I mean to send the cameras if that happens. What day? Whatever day your schedule opens up. I'll figure it out. I know he will. That's why I said it like that. Yes.

Yes. I'm not scared. I'll start you off slow. I'm not volunteering for the day. I'm not volunteering for the bull riding. So that's all you, my friends. I got it. And so is this next segment.

The Sips are up. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope these are better than last week. As the closers tell me every week, welcome to your favorite part of the show, Mamba's social sips. And we're actually going to start it off kind of where we started the show. We got a little video that I'm going to run for you. Tyler, run the clip. Carson. Let's just get the fuck out of the way.

And there wouldn't be a wreck. You know what I mean? Well, unanimous. That's it. Just get out of the way. And I just love the fact that he just owns it. Don't apologize for it. I mean, yeah, sure.

I mean, I did the same thing. You're going to get wrecked every once in a while by people. And you just kind of brush that off. But he doesn't care. And I think that's what makes it great is the fact that he doesn't care. And he just owns it. And he's aggressive. going to win. He is definitely going to win

this year. He's going to win because of it. And he's going to have some DNFs because of it. I can appreciate that gumption that he has, though, you know? I appreciate the fact that he just owns it. It doesn't care. Look, man. He's not there to make friends. No. And he tells

you that. There's a lot of people that are starting to become more and more Carson Holsavar fans. He has a lot of fans. I noticed that. That video that he posed that one, I think it went for like 32,000. and views. Like, he is crushing it on the racetrack, off the racetrack. He's pretty smart with his branding and things like that, I've noticed.

Pay attention to that boy. He's going to be making moves. Guys, this one's tough. This is what we talked about at the top. Yeah, this is what we talked to about at the top. I feel for this guy. So last week, Daytona 500 Day, Justin Drake, Carol. Acted a fool. Acting a fool. Putts on a bet.

Look, he's excited. Look at that. Tyler Reddick, there we go. Tyler Reddick won $2,000. Oh, my gosh. That is a brutal injury. This right here. This up, the dog's like, no, dad.

It might have been the dog's fault. I mean, do you think that the profit covered the hospital bill? No. Better have insurance. Kevin, his ankle touched Earth. Oh, my gosh. It was completely bent. 40 is a 90 degree angle.

And here he is with a makeshift. So his Amazon. stool. Yeah. So, actually, Tyler has one like this.

Tyler has, and he has attested it is worthless. He never would do that. Yeah. Yeah.

That's all he does all day is sit on that stool. I mean, he can't handle the weight. And here this guy's having a back it up

backwards. Get up. Back it up, son. Back it on backwards. Back in a check. Here's his X-ray.

Wow. I mean, it just doesn't end. This poor man. No, I feel bad for him. But he tagged me in this. And I was like,

. I absolutely. I love the fact that he hurt himself and then sent you the video. It's almost like America's funniest videos. People know to just send them to you. Look at me acting like an idiot. Oh my goodness.

Unreal. So I feel bad. We're thinking about you though, buddy. Hope you have a quick heel. If you got any more videos, send them to you. If you have any other things. You seem accident prone. So send some more. Y'all, mailbag.

The mailbag is in the house. This one is from Darren Kent. after the 500 Denny Hamman talked about getting NASCAR back to its identity with the new hell yeah promos in old school branding do you think the sport is heading back in the right direction

and I'm going to even double up on this and be like with Fox what we're doing here at Fox bringing back the speed logo with what you guys got going on I feel like that's 1,000% what we're doing. What's old is new again speed is back we've got the hell yeah branding back we're going to just be ourselves and promote

the hell out of that and I think that is great. And I think when you see the, I think it's caught a lot of us off guard, the enthusiasm for our sport when we went to the Daytona 500 and the TV ratings and just the feel in the garage and everybody just like, all right, we just get to be who we are. We're just going to go out, put on a good show, promote ourselves like we're NASCAR racing. And I like that. I think that's, you know, I think the only thing that could be better is if we had a thousand horsepower. There you go. There's always still work to be done. But I think the fans, feel like they've been heard.

You know, we're going back to the same point style format. We're embracing kind of the race fan, blue collar America a little bit again as well. And I think it's paying dividends. That was a huge number for the 500 for the viewership. We talked last week about how the stands and the whole venue was packed the whole week. So positive things.

Yes, Darren Kent. We agree. We think it's going back. Okay. Yeah. All right. Guys, I got breaking news right now from Bob Procress.

Oh, really? Yeah, Toyota Racing Development has signed Keelan Harmon. A long-term development deal. What is going on? Let's go. That's funny. I thought something bad was that. You got to tell us when you're going to do that stuff.

No, I don't. That's for the whole point of it. You're welcome. I'm a good actor. That was an Oscar-worthy performance. Yeah, no, we had to add this in. Super stoked for Keelan. Yes.

Going over to the Toyota Development Program, as we've talked about on the show, a gazillion times, if you're going to develop your kid, They do it the best or any driver, really. So they do it the best. So congratulations. Yeah.

Well, he's done a good job. He's got a lot of work ahead of him. And I think that, you know, for where he is and what's going on with the Toyota group and the things that they do, I think it's a great place to, like you say, develop your kid. And we're excited. We're excited for Keelan and Toyota to watch their growth. We're excited to have another Harvick to cheer for sport. Listen, ma'am, I've been cheering for Piper for a long time. No, I guess I can cheer for Keyers too

Apparently Piper's got an injury I got a call before we got on the show that they had to help Piper get in the car because she's had a pulled a muscle at PE today. Okay. As long as it wasn't like that guy in the video. We got a pulled calf muscle or something. Take care of that. We don't want to turn it to an Achilles. Don't take a salt bath or something.

Salt bath or something. Hey, y'all, that is the social sips for this week. If you want to leave a voicemail, 805-3174-4-1-7-4-1 7-5 email Harvick Happy Hour 4 at gmail.com. Who loves you, baby? Me. That's who. We all love you, Mom.

Good job there on your steps. Okay, guys, it's time now for our last call. And we have to grade the burnout. And I believe this one will have some high marks. I love it. What do we say? I love it. I love it.

This is just average. It's exciting. This is just average. Let's just keep watching. There's a crescendo. Yes, he's building up to it. And he needs. knows that we're paying attention and we're looking for style points and we got them keep going

hang on a lot of smoke yeah but this isn't the best part yeah this was creative though the idea behind it yeah well I mean as of right now we're just an average burnout that's kind of a harvick burner that's kind of like your burnout from Atlanta actually yeah a little bit across the start finish line down into there hmm there I didn't see all this yeah well it just here we go Okay. Finally, somebody does it in reverse. For back to back wins, I think was the thought process. He backed it up. Look at this. Locked up the front. Clear winner. And then shifts back to first gear at some point here.

But that's pretty good smoke for reverse. So, heck yeah. I got to believe that after last week when we were kind of like, man, I mean, it's tough. We kind of gave him like a pass. We gave him a pass. But he made up for it this week. He definitely made up for it. Creativity, smoke in reverse, we're definitely an A. An A. We got our first. We got an A.

All right. Remember that. Only because of the end and the creativity from reverse. Because I don't know that we've seen it in reverse, but never with like real smoke. No, yeah. And a good burnout in reverse. Yeah, and then shifting it to first. So.

Okay. Atlanta is an A. And the iconic words of Chris Bucson. You know what the best part about this is? I don't love it. I don't like it. I love it. That's what he says every time.

You know what the best part about this is? I feel like we're running long. We are. And I feel like she's a little antsy over here trying to get us to shut up. When she starts sitting up, that's how you know. And so. We're actually making great time because I just checked my phone slightly when you want to looking. Well, I thought like you were getting antsy over there.

No, I'm not. But I am moving on to the next thing, which is the standings. And unfortunately, guys, nobody scored any points this past week because I picked Joey Laganah, who looked like he was going to do me a solid until the tail end. And I'm still in second. You were at Austin Dillon and you picked Kyle Larson. So we all kind of wasn't great. But I still lead the clubhouse with six to y'all's goose heads.

I'm okay with you, wedding. And I'm still in second. Listen, you're not in second. You're tied for last. No, I'm second. No, your name comes up second. The way it's typed right here. It's because of the alphabetical order.

Well, we all have a chance to redeem ourselves in a few days. So who would like to go first on their COTA selections? Oh, I'll go first. I'll take SVG. That's who I was going to take. Oh, go ahead. You can take SVG too. I can.

Sure, why not. As long as he's in last, that's all that matters. I'm happy if you win and he doesn't. What do you want? Listen, I really want to go Connor, but I think. I thought about that. But I've seen that. You can change your pin.

So far when he's run the cup races, it just hasn't like, hasn't been as instant quick. I don't think it's going to happen just this yet. Right. Yeah. I also want to go RFK car because they have. been putting up one of the best fights, but I haven't seen it at Cota. So I'm going to go with a known commodity of what I know. What?

I got. Known commodity is what I know. Okay. Chris Bucer? Ryan Priest, road courses? Did you know what they did last year? They didn't speed. I'm not sure about that one.

All right. Trust me. Anyway. What say you? I'm just going to go with the 20 of Christopher Bell. Oh, that's good. I think it's kind of low-hanging fruit, but I think that, is either him or Gibbs, honestly. The low-hanging fruit argument doesn't, you want to win, right?

It's like, you know. Well, you guys just pick SVG, so I guess. I'm just saying like it's still smart to pick the low-hanging fruit because it's a good shot. Obviously, because that's what you guys do. Yeah, well, I mean, we'll just have a little bigger lead next to me. How many road courses do we have this season? Four, right? Yeah, you're going to pick SG four times?

I am. Yeah, okay. I think that's what he did last year. Okay, we'll have to see. I'm going to pick him until he loses. Yeah, exactly. Until he doesn't win for us. Yeah.

He's undefeated since Cota. It's a solid bet. Yeah. Thursday, you got a fun little interview coming out with the Hendrick group, Kyle Larson, Mr. H., Jeff Gordon. That was fun to sit those guys down and just the extended interview from what we did on the pre-race show. We give Mr. Hendrick a little crap about his TikTok usage and had fun with Larson's obsession to helmets. So cool interview. Nice.

We look forward to seeing that. I always enjoy hearing from Mr. H. Okay, guys, this has been fun. We're right on time. I'm not rushing us off. Make sure you subscribe on our new YouTube page, wherever you get your podcast, and follow us on Harve at CapyPod, and we'll see all of you after Coda.