KFC Radio - Billie Eilish Sparks the Internet Debate: Are Women Nice? Ft. Swizz Beatz

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

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speak of the nice shirt, you want to see a nice shirt? do you have the shirt? what shirt? from the place oh no, I don it was going to be the shirt. What shirt? From the place. Tony's shirt. Oh, no. I don't get that until next year. I'm serious.

Yeah, that's right. I forgot. November 2024. Yeah, right. It takes a year to make that shirt. That's right. That's right. That's insane.

Is that because he... How far is this shirt? Oh! What does the back say? The back's so funny. Feidelberg Insurance. Strength when you need it! Your dad's such a meathead.

I love it. The Feidelberg Family Insurance. Yo, the Feidelberg Family Insurance Company is low-key, like, not understood and, like, appreciated enough in the world. Or like in our world. I don't think people know. It's a fucking force. Well, it's not anymore. This is... The only reason I have this is because this company doesn't exist anymore.

Because it got bought by a fucking major bank, right? Yes. It's fucking dope. We got this. It was my nephew's first birthday fairly recently. We used to have these shirts all over the house. And pencils and rulers and shit like that. Was your grandfather the star of it?

Great-great-father. Maybe great-great. I think it was like 1912 or something like that. So potentially your grandfather's grandfather. Or father. I think it was definitely my grandfather's father. Maybe one more. Maybe his grandfather.

Yeah. Wow. And it got passed down to your dad. No, my grandfather's father. Maybe one more. Yeah. Wow. And it got passed down to your dad? No, my grandfather was the one who sold it. He was the president of Minnesota. Got it, got it, got it, got it. But your dad is in it? Yes.

Yeah. What a fucking tale. I mean, that's a great, you know, your dad, your great-great-great-whatever grandfather probably came over from wherever. Latvia? Latvia? Latvia? Latvia? In the early 1900s?

Well, wait, yeah. I make that joke all the time. They came over way before the 40s. Yeah, but it was bubbling. But yeah, you're safe enough to say Germany, but that is funny. Latvia, Austria. I actually never really put that together. I always make that joke. But yeah, no they came they came away before the 40s starts uh starts an insurance company and travel agency and travel agency and then you know three four generations later sells

it to a fucking big major name that's the american. Well, I thought you meant the more important thing is it was the only insurance company that would insure the Barstool Blackout Tour. Also important, the one son went to work for the family business, the other one didn't, but that business kept our business in business by

insuring the tour that kept us afloat. So really, the Fotoberg Insurance Company has its hands on everything. But kept our business in business by insuring the tour that kept us afloat so so really the photobricks insurance company has its hands on everything but that's i mean i i forgot about the strength when you need it until we made this shirt for my right now bro we made them like a onesie like a toddler that actually i welker made these if that was like that was oh oh so these are your yeah i we got it from my top for my nephew for his first birthday. We got him a onesie. And my sister... But wait, when you had pencils and shirts all over the house, that was a Welker thing?

No, no, no, no, no, no. That was when I was a child. That was when I was a kid. And then for my nephew's first birthday, like, let's get him a Farnsburg insurance shirt. And it was my sister's idea, my little sister. And then I reached out to Welker. I was like, you know what? Might as well throw a bunch of adult sizes in there, too.

Yeah, that's fucking great. I mean, if you told me that motto was like Corey G's fitness motto, I'd believe it. Also, by the way, this is just Facebook's logo. They just stole the logo. Now, I understand it's not the – I'm sure this F exists in many places. Yeah. But that's just the Facebook logo. But wait, who was first?

We were – Right, that was the logo back in the 1900s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking Zuckerberg. Fucking sucks. That had to be a fucking moment for your grandfather to sell the company. Like, I mean.

I don't really remember it. It was like early 2000s, I think. Oh, I thought something happened recently. Remember something happened in the last couple years? Not really. Huh? Did something that happened a couple years? Not really. Huh? Didn't something happen with Capital One? No.

It was Citizens Bank bought it in the early 2000s. Oh, I thought that was later for some reason. Now it's Hub International is the name of the company. I thought something like a couple years ago happened. I didn't realize. No, that one was an earlier one. I think I was in middle school, maybe early. I think middle school.

I mean, that's, you know, quite literally. Well literally well actually it's probably not when you're great when your great-grandfather starts out he's probably just like i gotta fucking heat the house yeah yeah and then you know a couple generations later one of your family members starts thinking like maybe we could fucking sell this thing you know yeah crazy all for insurance the greatest scam gone it's the it's the most it's the it's the biggest scam but the most until you need it yeah and then it's the most logical and important thing that's ever happened i was talking about brother about the other day when we were driving to tony shirt makers and i was like it's gotta be kind of nice though because like it's hard to get them on the phone like if

you're trying to sell insurance because no one wants to talk about it but then like i think once you're on the phone you're like fine whatever because you don't want to talk about like the worst day possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Make sure I'm covered. Make sure I'm good. I mean, even –

And I'm sure that's not – he obviously pushed back and we had a conversation. But I was like, there's got to be a little part of it where it's like, let's just get this over with, which I would think helps. So your brother got me my insurance, which was harder than I thought. I guess because of our reputations at Barstool, we were hard to insure. Yeah. Insurance companies, I guess, get scared. I think it's all celebrities. Right.

Okay. I just did not think I was on that level. I was going to say, I would not say we are, but I think like... But I went to Geico. You have a thousand followers? Celebrity. Yeah, I went to Geico, like just, you know,

geico.com, I need insurance. They were like, nope. I went to all of them. They just said, nope, nope, nope. And I was like, what is going on? Because I think anything with like where someone would be more liable to sue you totally more and i get that or target or whatever in any way but um so benny hooked me up and uh pretty much every two months i get a get a piece of paper saying we're about to suspend your your policy because you haven't paid it. Because for whatever reason, I'm stuck in this cycle with my insurance and my car payment.

I can't get on autopay if my account is in arrears, if it's unpaid. So they're on the phone. They call me. They're like, you haven't paid. I'm like, okay, let's fucking pay. And while we're at it, can you set up auto pay? They're like, no, no, no, because your account is showing unpaid. I don't know why that's a thing, but apparently it's a thing.

I'm like, okay, so let's pay it and then set it up. And they're like, it doesn't register for like 48 hours. And then two days later, I'm gone. It's in the wind. It's in the fucking wind. And then 60 days later, they're like, you owe two car payments again. I'm like, here we go again. So what I should do is right now, today, because this happened with my car two days ago,

they called me. I paid it. It probably hit today. I should go on and set it up, and I will not. And we will do this dance until my lease is up. And I'm sure, I don't know if it's hurting my credit or not, that both my insurance and my car payment are two months late every two months. But this is the dance we will do until I die.

That shouldn't hurt your credit. I forgot it shouldn't hurt your credit. I actually don't think it does, though. Because if it does, I think my credit would be way worse. I forget about a lot of shit. And even my credit card bill, I'll let it build up, and then I'll just whack it out when I get a bonus or something like that. That's what I do.

And I think they're like, okay, you're good. Okay. That's cool. That's good. I'm sure you'd have a perfect score if you just did a buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. But every time I've needed to check my credit score, I always check it with one eye, like, here we go. And I click the button, and I'm always like, oh.

And then I'm like, like boy you people with bad credit must really be fucking up because i got collections agencies coming at me i'm always i'm always ducking and hiding it's crazy with with the amount of bullshit that i still put up with after getting this equity i'm like fighting fucking easy pass and battling insurance companies and shit it's it's just the way of my life. Yeah. It's just like, it will just never change. And all these things take like 20 seconds to set up. Just nope. No.

Not going to do it. I still don't have it on my phone. Because I'm like, I'll expense it if I don't auto-pay it. And you never do it. I never do it. Never do it. And you never pay your rent ever. I got to pay my rent today.

You were screaming about that two days ago. Yeah, I know. In the middle of a healthy debate, you were like, fuck, I got to pay my rent. That was four days ago. I got to pay my rent. I'm going to take my wallet out of my pocket so that way. Oh, that'll do it. I'm sure after this recording is over.

I'm going to take my wallet out and I'm going to stick the checkout. And then I can't pick up my wallet to leave here without remembering to. I'm sure you won't just put that back in your wallet and walk out of here. There's no way. That'll do it. You basically paid your rent. I think that should be considered fair play. What do you think about Billie Eilish?

Wait, first, I want to do a pool. Well, actually, I guess we can't do the pool until I know if you agree with me. I absolutely think Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are going to get married. What do you think? I was going to say let's pick a day that they get engaged. But if you don't believe they're going to get married, then it's stupid. I think it is a wrap. My prediction is going to be an engagement within the year.

But a long engagement because, like, you know, you've got a lot of shit to work out. And then she's gone. They're going to have kids, and she'll be gone for a while. That would be my prediction. I would strongly disagree with that. You think she's going to? What part of it? The marriage, I would say, I wouldn't say soon.

And then her disappearing, I would say definitely not. She's at the height of her career. That would be crazy to disappear. She's never been more popular. She'll probably never be more popular. Yeah. She's got like two more years on that for sure. Well, that's what I mean.

So I think they'll get engaged and then she'll tour, like a two-year engagement or something like that. And then no mas. Or at least scale back drastically to have kids. Because I think she wants to have kids. I don don't think so you don't think she wants kids i don't know about that but like i i think she enjoys which i i think she's she's i mean she's living the dream she's she put up she ate shit for so long yeah and she always had fans obviously but still publicly ate a ton of shit right now she really isn really isn't. Why leave it now?

So, what, you think you're going to get engaged or no? I think it's very early. I mean, they're in the honeymoon stage of a dating. I think it's quick early to call. They seem very happy. I guess it depends on when this whole world tour ends. Not until next year.

She's doing Europe next year. I think he'll propose. At the end of that, if it's another full two years of touring, maybe not. But at the end of that or in the middle of that. I bet you within the year they get engaged. Okay, I'll take that bet. Pabs, what do you think? I agree. Probably at the end of the year. Okay, I'll take that. Pabs, what do you think? I agree.

Probably the end of the year. Okay. I think celebrities go in hyper mode. I think for anybody else it would be a little crazy. I think they're going to be like, it's working out so well. And it's probably why celebrity things often don't maybe make it because it is like a little bit fake life. But I don't think this thing's stopping.

No? I think there's training i i don't know i don't think she's gone through too much shit with other people i i think i think there's an air for celebrities a level of like if it works don't let it go like okay this one works you know i tried this i tried that these guys suck this guy fucked me over this one works i don't know if i'm gonna find another one that's like you know i tried this i tried that these guys suck this guy fucked me over this one works i don't know if i'm gonna find another one that's like you know the things we talk about with him on the same level and i think she's gonna like and both uh both ways i think like i think i would be surprised to see them get married they seem very happy i hope they continue to be happy i think a marriage would surprise me this fucking company. People are so gassed up over this Will and Riggs thing.

This is why Barstool Radio is such an interesting beast because we've been talking about it recently where it's like when it's on, it's on. It's a great show. It's an outlet that's needed. People get their shit off. People fight their fights. I think it actually helps a little bit, like as bad for morale as it can be to fight. I think sometimes it like gets it all out there. But, man, when it's not, it's just like, I don't know.

It's a fun show. I'm hanging with the fellas. We're talking. We're chatting. We're going to have a fight about that show soon. About? About Barstool Radio, how it's just us again. Oh, big time.

We're going to have a Barstool Radio fight about Barstool Radio. I'm going to start talking about it here. Pat and Tommy, just don't come on the show. As much as I like to look under me and be like, I got to do this, I got to do that. I'm like, okay. I'm not going to tell you no. But I don't know. Maybe you shouldn't be on the show.

I thought it was something good to have for the office. It was the last thing I wanted to do was another goddamn show. And we just have another show. Right. And I thought it was going to be like a, oh, wow, thank you. Big numbers and a lot of attention. It's like we're just doing a second one of our show that we already have. Pat and Tommy just text us like it's nothing like hey, not on the show today.

Okay. Sounds good. Sounds good. We'll do it. But I do like Barstool Radio when there's like, you know, when Marty and the basketball guys were popping on. I thought that was funny. But everybody loves the drama.

That's what they want. And now, you know, Captain Cons is probably at home lubing up for this one. He's like, feed me the drama. I'm like, this place is so goddamn broken this place is is disgusting um okay uh jackie what do you think uh is that jackie bethany yes uh do you think my question is do you think and if you do what when will they travis kelsey and taylor swift get engaged oh okay everyone ah I didn't really think that they were going to get engaged, but then the hugging video was so cute. I still don't know, though, if they will.

I don't think so, either. I kind of feel like it's like I also think that the pressure is so on for them that, like, they might be, like, bound to crumble at some point. I'm obviously not hoping for anything like that pressure like that but like i know i i think it's far too early to start throwing out engagements it's been like two months not even i think they've been together longer than than maybe they let on really it just or or it just went zero to a hundred yeah because it just looks like a couple that's like but that's what every new relationship is so like it's just happening on a global scale but like i look at it very much and i'm like i've done that with yeah 20 different women yeah that first video of them looked like very new you know which

one like i don't know if they've been oh when they were walking out of the cheese game yeah yeah that felt to me more like i think they were like well who fucking knows whether they were new or just new to the public but it was just like very overwhelming and now I think they were like, well, who fucking knows whether they were new or just new to the public. But it was just like very overwhelming. And now I think they're at a level of like, just do whatever the fuck we want. Yeah. Because we run the world. KFC Radio is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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Billie Eilish said that, let me get the exact quote. I know she hit something with Lil Yachty, said something about her titties. That was funny. That was funny. Lil Yachty had some line in his rap song about tits like Billie Eilish, and she wrote back, or she commented, she's like, I'm flattered, and also, I have big tits like Billie Eilish, and she wrote back – or she, like, commented, like, she's like, I'm flattered, and also, I have big tits. She said – what account did I see this in?

I like her. I – I don't really know her music, but I like her. She seems cool. Yeah, you know, I actually – I have no take on Billie Eilish. So she says... She seems nice, though. I'll give her that. She said...

Now, this is the Fox News headline, which is, you know... Being a woman is just such a war forever, especially being a young woman in the public eye. It's really unfair. And then... What is being, being like the headline nobody ever says anything about men's bodies um and the headline that it's being kind of like

warped into is that okay here's a quote nobody ever says anything about men's bodies if you're muscular cool if you're not cool if you're real, cool. If you're not, cool. If you're real thin, cool. If you have a dad bod, cool. If you're pudgy, love it. Everybody's happy with it. You know why? Because girls are nice. They don't give a fuck because we see people for who they are.

So that is being, the headline is being portrayed as like, girls don't like judge men by their bodies and girls are nice and men are not. Is kind of the boiled down, which side are you on sort of thing uh there's truth there's obviously falsehood to that there's truth to it so i mean like which what she's saying about women there is no doubt she's 100 right that there is more um more judgment on a woman's body you'll never see a fucking tabloid be like brad pitt put on five pounds is he is he pregnant is he sick is he is he on drugs is he they'll do it it's occasional but like it's not gonna be like a a cover like she looks a little different what's going on for sure it happens not at all to the

scale right and and and i think there's also just more on the line as far as like if you're a really fat guy you can be funny and you can be whatever you'll see way more attractive women with guys with disgusting bodies more you'll see totally an attractive guy with a girl with a disgusting body. So all of that, correct. I think, I don't think men's, men's bodies don't really get shamed as much. But their, the length of their bones do. How tall you are is for sure a thing. I mean, like, you know, you're not shaming my body. You're shaming my bones.

If I'm 5'2", you are throwing me out in the trash. Yeah, yeah. You are literally putting me, like, not even looking my way. I didn't think to make that connection, but you're 100% right. It's just a different type of, it's not like fat or ugly, but it is a physical thing. And also. like fat or ugly but it is a physical thing and also i was even going to say with like the men women are nice men or not thing i obviously disagree with it but like on like so on like uh like i'm just trying to see from her view we're like 99 of comments she gets

on the internet negative or from men so like, like, obviously that's what her view is. She's also a very interesting case because I'm pretty sure of this. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure she covered up her body, like, her entire childhood because she was like, I'm a kid. Yeah. And then was like, oh, my God, look at those huge tits. I think it was because of the Yachty's mentioned titties. I think she was like, I don't want people to see this kind of deal. Right. But, like, I was going to say men on the Internet are so mean to women.

And that's what she sees. So, yeah, no doubt that is very obviously that's why she would have that worldview. But it's pretty public to the women on the Internet who are like, if you're under six feet, you should die. And like six feet. You know, like it's not, you know, five, eight. It's not you know five eight it's not five seven it's like you have to be that's like the kind of the equivalent of a guy being like you have to be you know 100 pounds you know what i mean like yeah it's not like just just get in the right range it's like you have to

be elite or i won't even fucking look at you and then and then you can also go and at least women have women fighting for them where they're like, that's bullshit. Women of all sizes. Men tall and six feet are like, fucking right. I strongly disagree with that. There should be almost men exclusively under six feet so I can be king. I've said this. We're like, everybody needs to stop with the short king stuff because it's giving tall men too much confidence.

I want to be the George Washington of 2027. I'd like to be your leader because I am three inches taller than you. Yeah, that is true. I don't – what I think it is – I do not walk around being like, I'm six feet. I think I'm short actually. But I – well, because we are amongst the giants. But even when I'm walking on the streets of New six feet i think i'm short actually but i well because we are amongst the giants but like no even i'm walking on streets in new york i think i'm short i think we all it's also you gotta remember like the whole range of the country i bet you i bet you places like this have a bunch of tall guys yeah and you go somewhere like you go to i mean i didn't realize this but i

didn't know boston was like the town of the hobbits well i when i had friends from fsu come visit me in massachusetts and it was mostly fall river to be fair which is a very high portuguese population smaller people um they were like how did you grow up here and i'm like what do you mean i never thought i was tall i my whole life i've just thought i was like regular sized and i guess i'm a little taller than average but i'm pretty much regular sized and you're not regular size and i guess i'm a little taller than average but i'm pretty much regular sized and you're not regular you're a very large man you're a very large man i really got a 41 inch waist bro you are a large man i definitely don't feel that walking around i'm not like no but that's what i mean like i've never i've never walked around being like i'm six foot that's what's up but what i realize is i've never ever worried yeah i've never walked around being like, I'm six foot. That's what's up.

But what I realize is I've never, ever worried. Yeah. I've never walked in a place being like, oh, man, these guys are taller than me. And if they are, I don't care because they're really tall. It's just never been – I've never been cocky about being six feet, but I've never once been insecure about my height, and that's kind of the point. I also have it like – I definitely have if you were reading like particularly hockey, that's what I watched the most.

If you're reading like the stat sheet, not the stat sheet, like the starting lineup and you're given sizes, I'd be like, that's a big boy. Yeah. And it's just my size. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like if I don't think of it for me. Well, you have no social esteem. Nothing about you is good enough for you, John.

How tall would you have to be to be tall? You're like 6'3". No, I'm 74 inches. 6'2". 6'2". I know that because during driving Barstool, they measured us, and I was 74 inches, and Will Compton was 73 1⁄2, and they said, well, just write down 74,

and I said, you'll write down 73 1⁄2. We will not do that. We will not. We will not do that. We will not. We will not be rounding. That's funny. But anyway, with this Billie Eilish thing, like, the notion that girls are nice is crazy. Like, I don't even think most women would say women are nice is crazy like i don't even think i don't even think most women would say women are nice

well i just think that the men the men are the one that are commenting on the bodies so it's not about women being nicer i don't wouldn't say when you're well you're just like when you're when you're just talking with the girls do you guys talk about like other girls bodies like celebrities or like maybe even that maybe now you don't anymore but like in college you probably did right like it would be very it would be only if it was like noticeable weight gain like it would be like we would all kind of like hush hush be like yeah i mean exactly yeah yeah yeah that's the point yeah you know what jackie just said it would only she just said if someone gained weight we would talk about them behind their back. Yeah.

Which I just said. But I think that's the polite thing to do. Yeah, don't talk about it publicly. But I'm saying, like, I feel like I've heard men, though, be like, oh, like, she got fat. You know, like, we would never say that. I don't think I've ever said that. Listen, there are absolutely, this is a multifaceted debate here because it's about – specifically about weight and stuff, but then it's also about men versus women, and then it's also about the internet. There are men on the internet that will just, like, comment on a picture and be like, you are fat.

For sure. Yes. For sure. And that is not happening from a woman to a man. That is her point. And that is 101% a fact. But, and so she's not wrong,

really, in any way. What's the conversation that is, like, spiraling out of this is are men nicer than women, you know? So it's not about the original argument anymore. But, I mean, if you're just talking about, if you want to speak in generalities, who is the meaner gender?

Eh, that's gotta be chicks, no? I would say women are the braver gender because they're meaner to your face. Your face, yeah. But they also will do some behind-your-back shit that's, like, diabolical, you know? Yeah, but I think guys... They got it all. They got it all in their repertoire. Guys only have, like...

Guys are cowards. They're anonymous to troll accounts. Yeah, yeah. They'll it all in their repertoire. Guys only have like. Guys are cowards. They got their anonymous control accounts. Yeah, yeah. They'll wear masks when they rape you. Jesus. Rape me to my face. Cowards, man. Show me your face. They'll hide in the dark in a parking garage and pop out.

They're fucking. Guys are fucking cowards, dude. You better rape me to my face. Women will be like. Women in my life will just be like, you look disgusting. No, I think it balances out because they're like the rape thing and then. Dude, some of the shit that, that, that. And then I think it kind of, it's, it's, you know what it also it is? It's, it's, I think it's stranger, it's strangers versus when you know each other.

Yeah. Like the last thing my dad says before he goes to bed every night is, you're so mean to me, to my mom. Yes. Right, right, right, right. He says it with a smile, but he's like, you're so mean. My mom will say to my dad's face, you're not funny. You know that.

Yes. It's so terrible. My mom will be like, stop talking. She'll tell my my dad she'll be like like would you just you know what happened the other day i probably shouldn't talk about it but my dad did something like super harmless to uh one of the grandbabies like like just did something funny with a picture like so harmless and my mom was like don't ever fucking do that again like don't like just go in the corner it's it's and i was like you guys't ever fucking do that again. Like, just go in the corner. And I was like, you guys are crazy. And they tell the story to me as if I'm going to be on their side.

I'm like, you guys are awful. You're awful. Now, what will never happen is, like, you won't get a girl on the internet doing that to a stranger. Whereas a man on the internet will do that to a woman, a guy, anybody. Anonymously or with their account. They will just be mad online. But within your social group, within your romantic relationships, all that shit, girls will be so mean. So fucking mean.

I saw this great clip because now there's all these clips circulating over this. There was one clip of a bunch of women. They were like – let me see if I can find this one. It's like when guys are mean, it's dangerous. When women are mean, it's like a comedy where you're like, she's being really mean, but she's a woman, so it's kind of funny. Wait, well, can I also say, I also think it balances out because women are so nice to each other in the way that men, like,

Women are nice to each other, did you say? Yes. Okay, the way that women, like do you guys are nice to each other no yes okay the way that women like you guys will never experience getting ready with a group of girls is the best thing in the entire world like you put on an outfit everyone's like you look so hot tonight yeah like you look great your tits you look like small weight whatever and then it's like everyone will help like be like okay wait but your ex is gonna be there tonight so you need to find a slut of your top. Like, somebody goes to make the – like, it's just like this whole thing that guys will never understand.

Like, women, it's so funny. Yeah, you have a community. Yeah, but then you'll also, like, that one girl will get kicked out of that crew for some stupid reason, and they'll, like, burn her at the stake. Yeah. Well, yeah. You went against the community. Yeah. Right, right, right. He won against the community Yeah

Right There was a video It was just A bunch of women And they were just like Okay Here's a man This man is a 10

But you find out He's 5 foot 6 What is he now? And they were Like the girls were like 1 He's a 1 And then they'd be like

This guy is a 5 But you find out He's rich And they were like, the girls were like, one. He's a one. And then they'd be like, this guy is a five, but you find out he's rich. And they were like, nine. Nine or ten. And then it kept getting, it was just like, he's a five, but he has a luxury car. And they were like, eight. Just a car? He drives an Infiniti. Yeah, just like a Lexus?

What? So that was going around. I got a kick out of that. And then there's a Bill Burr clip where he's just like, guys are just so mean, so mean to us. And that is what men all have together. And I think it was a live show of his. And, you know, he just does his own solo. So he's just sitting on a couch just like this, literally legs crossed.

And he's like, I don't know you. I don't know you. I don't know you. But I can just look at you with your woman and you with your woman. And I can look at you and go. And we all go. And that's all we need that's all we need to know that like our women treat us horribly and we're just too afraid to stand up and say it about them about you about i won't stand up for you you won't stand up for me we won't stand up for ourselves and that is just what we have and women will never understand that and i was just like brother but i will say this though that and obviously again we're all just speaking from

our own experiences like the once again i guess i'll say it's like bravery like the women who are mean they're usually mean about the right like they're not wrong yeah they're just be like being mean but it's like like but like when i was like you're not wrong. They're just being mean. But it's so ridiculous to me. My dad's not funny. And he shouldn't tell those dumb jokes. I know, but he should. But it's like... You're not being funny right now.

It's almost like Larry David. Hey, shut up. It is, yes. Like, if the world is a performance and everyone's got to like be on their game, there are women who will tell you, you look gross. Get out of here. You're not funny.

Stop talking. You suck at life. You need to clean your act up. But like also life is not that. Life is sometimes just like we're just at the dinner table talking and your dad wanted to tell a joke. The dinner table is a performance. Fine, fine. If you're not just at the dinner table talking and your dad wanted to tell a joke. The dinner table is a performance. Fine, fine. If you're not entertaining at the dinner table.

Fine, wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm saying like just amongst yourselves, you know. My dad will like tell a story. He's like, why would you tell him that? Why does he care about that? And it's like I don't really care about that. But also, I don't know. People just tell stories and shit.

I'm the same way where I'm like, you're right. That sucked. Yeah. But like that was a little mean. And you definitely don't need to do it in front of other people. That's always my number one thing in relationships. You can't do it in front of other people. And girls will just do it in the middle of the goddamn party.

While you are on stage, it is your moment to shine. And they'll be like, you look terrible tonight. It's like, great. Thank you. Thank you. Dude, we were watching a movie when I was home. And to be fair, also, you have to factor in when we're talking about, we're both going to be talking about our parents.

You've been dealing with it for 40 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad falls asleep immediately during a movie. Like, immediately. Can't watch a movie. So we started a movie the other night. And, like, no character had appeared on screen yet. And his head started bobbing, and she just sits up.

She's like, hey, hey, hey, upstairs. Go upstairs. And he gets up. He's like, you're so mean to me. But so like, okay, that is a perfect example because I'm already that guy. I'm already trending that way, if not fully that guy. Your dad is probably putting in fucking work physically, literally, metaphorically, paying the bills, dealing with bullshit, hits the gym, gets berated, all that shit. And then he's just like, let's's go let's sit down as a family and

watch a movie and like yeah i'm probably not gonna make it to the end guys but i just want to make it to the beginning dude we didn't have play yet he just wants to be it was like when i fell asleep with movie night here i didn't really care about the movie i just wanted to like the day was done i wanted to sit with the boys even if it lasted for 30 seconds and then i'm just like zonked fuck and listen if you're like snoring and interrupting the movie yes I get all that but if it's just like you're bothering me that you're asleep and I want you to be awake

if it's interrupting that's just like how do we get him upstairs after yeah I don't know just fucking leave him there just leave him alone cause then you'll hear for 3 days about how his neck hurts yeah yeah yeah well that is sometimes there you know I do have to you really have to put yourself in the shoes of could you do this for five decades right and i don't get how anybody does anything in five

decades i'm like i i you you could be the best and after a half a century those same jokes are gonna bother me yeah you know everything goes oh Oh, dude. But right moments before he fell asleep, he started telling a story that I have heard a hundred times. The repeat is crazy. And it's just not a good story. It's just about his coworker who didn't like a lunch. You know what it is, too, though? I've been trying to figure that out. First of all, I think it's just you know your memory goes and it's you know i i i put i like i'm like your it's root it's kind of the point

i'll retell a story sometimes like no joke i mean you're being ever listened to the show was heard a handful of my stories a hundred times yes but like it's you're wasting my time i will say like you've heard this before or like it's applicable or like something like that yeah he's just like he tells us like it's the first time like he'll be like he said like he said it like the other day i was like bro that happened in 2009 right and i've been hearing it didn't happen the other day that is crazy to characterize it that way but i'll also say some yes some of that is no no defending it I think also there are times It's like I think what's going on there

At least when I hear it He just wants someone to be like Yeah you were right man It's this one thing that's eating at him And God knows when he tries to tell it to his wife She says shut the fuck up You idiot And he just goes on to the next one

So that somebody can just be like You are the hero of that story, man, or whatever the fuck it is. I just can't. The meanness is just brutal. Like I sit here at Barstool Sports where people will get like their career ended live on radio. People will fucking rip each other to shreds. People can be awful rip each other to shreds people can be awful to each other and it doesn't even like compare to some of the shit i will hear couples

say to each other it's just like oh i wouldn't say that to my worst enemy in front of people and you're saying that to the person you quote unquote say you love oh brutal, I don't know I mean, it's all about your experience I actually almost think of women's meanness As very Larry David-esque Where it's like Well, Larry David's an asshole If it wasn't funny and endearing You'd be like, you're a fucking prick

Yeah, but if you look at it through that lens It is a little funny We are all thinking that We all do wish they didn't look like that. It is. Larry David is just like a woman who's been in a relationship for 30 years. Dude, you know what my mom will do too? My dad and all men, either their hearing goes or they say that their hearing goes because my dad can hear

when he wants to hear yeah he turns it off when he doesn't want to hear it but my mom will be a good two rooms away like my dad's on the opposite end of the living room she's on the opposite end of the kitchen you're basically like two rooms away and she'll be like tim tim tim like there's no in between there's no like hey can you hear me it's it's whisper and then if you can't hear me why don't you ever hear me right it's like you were whispering to a 65 year old man 50 feet away you had no fucking shot he was gonna hear that and now you guys are screaming at each other for the rest of the day i'm out of here man i'm gone dude when i when i when i was when i was waiting to get my house and i was living next door to them for like six months i was like oh i'll go

home back back with the parents it'll be great and i was like get me the fuck out of here you guys are brutal to each other it's like watching uh it's like if Dave and Nate were married Just brutal back and forth Non-stop So I mean It's so so so highly Important to remember Putting yourself in Billie Eilish's Shoes versus like

Your shoes You are living in a different Universe from that girl All she knows is that she gets ready with her girls, she's on tour with her girls and does all that shit that Jackie talks about, and then guys are assholes on the internet. And, like, all we know is just, like, girlfriends and wives who are just horrendous to the men they're with.

And, you know, the boys, when we get together, it's all great. Yeah. So, you know. I think it's weird, like like how people don't get that they can't like how you can't just like think of like it's it's like the most common phrase like walk around someone's shoes just think about it for half a second how they see the world and most of their views make sense they don't get it they they people will not do it because then it requires both sides to be honest you know i'm sure if you press Billie Eilish, she wouldn't see it from our point of view or whatever.

But if you do that almost exclusively, like 100% of the time, you arrive at a common ground where you'd be like, oh, I see what you're saying. You see what I'm saying? Okay, yeah. And people just don't want to do that.

They just never want to do it. They just want to fight and they just want to be right. But the internet's the worst too it's like you don't realize that your internet's different from their internet's different from her internet you know you uh on your uh on like sports twitter is very different from a girl being on tiktok i don't know it's just people say different things and act different ways um now what's what's ironic is like Billie Eilish is now

at the center now this is going to play out exactly how she's you're a fucking idiot also if you read her quotes they are not it's not what's being characterized as so it's always

I want to say like Billie Eilish's comments have sparked a separate debate because you're no longer actually talking about Billie Eilish's comments. You're always talking about the comment. The gram. You're like, ah, that reminds me of something I've been dying to say. So I'm going to wedge this in real quick. Yes, exactly that. Exactly that.

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but like 1975 is gonna be number two 1975 i i've i've been a big fan for probably probably only like a year i probably it's probably been fairly recent do not take your girlfriend to a 1975 she will be stolen no no no it's all women in the crowd no i never liked the guys dude yeah the i went with like i went with pete blackburn dj bean and two other guys One of the guys had his girlfriend with him. And the whole time I was like, thank God I don't have a woman here with me. You would feel inferior? Dude, he is.

The front man? Yeah, Matt Healy is just. Oh, that's okay. I was going to say, I thought I knew. It is. It's funny because it doesn't look like that. No, dude. But when you see him on stage, it's a rock star. Really? Like a rock star I've never he is. It's funny because it doesn't look it like that. No, dude. But when you see him on stage, it's a rock star.

Really? Like, a rock star like I've never seen live. Really? Where he, like, owns the stage. The whole stage, it's probably my second favorite concert I've ever been to. Wow. Like, maybe concert's not the right word, like live performance. Crazy.

Like, they put on a show. It's like the stage, there's a whole house. It's a whole show. And, like, it, like, starts, a whole house it's a whole show and like it like starts that's where like instead of like and opening the band it's like almost like movie credits where it's like starring matt healy he comes out and then like they have it's all it's all of them i can explain to you this whole show but like it's a production and he like is acting throughout it kind of way i think he's acting throughout it because he drinks about 12 whiskeys and he's getting progressively drunker but i think it's like. I think he's acting throughout it because he drinks about 12 whiskeys, and he's getting progressively drunker.

But I think he's pouring fake drinks because they're in a house. Ice tea or whatever. And it's amazing. And it is like – I would say if you're a single guy, go to a 1975 show. Because it's women everywhere. And it is – it was unreal. It it was great i also have to give a huge shout out to the crowd itself i was on the floor i was like the closest i've ever been to a concert it was awesome and uh not a lot of phones out sure occasionally someone takes the phone out

for a picture or their favorite song comes on so they get a clip everyone was just kind of like rocking out no this isn't do you think we are reaching a point where that gets made fun of so much that people are going to stop doing it definitely like the full recording something like that like i i get if you want to get a clip of your favorite song yeah and you have that but i i have been the only time i've ever done it is because i'm like i have an instagram that like if I was a regular person, I don't, I really don't think I'd ever take my phone out. Oh, never.

Unless I was like, I got to show somebody this one thing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, like,

no, I never go back and look at my, all my pictures are just like screenshots or like something I saved to tweet. Like, I don't, if I was, if I was, uh,

you know, if I, if we go, when we went to Taylor Swift, I want to be like, it's like part of the content. We went to Taylor Swift. So I'll take a video there so we have it for the show, if I have it for my Instagram. But regular people, it's like, what?

So I – and I think that has gotten – almost become a little meme-ish, a little trope-ish that maybe we'll stop. But I don't know. We got a long way to go. I think it's probably a – not older crowd, but like not. Yeah, I mean, let's call it what it is. Millennial crowd is kind of an older crowd now. Yeah. Wait, what are, Gen Z is the new, what's Gen X?

That's like us. Isn't that what we are? We're like in between? Wasn't that the thing? We weren't really millennials? I think we're millennials. We're millennials? Yeah. I know we are? We're like in between. Wasn't that the thing? We weren't really millennials? I think we were millennials. We were millennials? Yeah. I know we are by the letter of the law. What is Gen X?

That's older than us. Older. Okay. Okay. Okay. Never mind. But the... He's very funny. He puts on... He's hot. He's funny. He puts on a show. Dude, he gave a speech. Sometimes during the show, they'll have on the crowd, on the Jumbotron,

they'll have almost like how anus videos have the video game running along next to it. They'll have that during music and shit like that. And at one point between songs he like gets the mic and he's like he's british he's giving like a little speech and he's talking about how he's been controversial and he wants to address some of the things and he's like you know it's it's it's it's lame i know but like sometimes i'll play the character of a rock star to make you think I'm a rock star. And in order to find out who you are, to find out who you're not. So I've done awful things like racist impressions and said some very controversial takes and done some bad things on podcasts trying to be cool.

And, you know, like, as an artist, like, it's like you're trying to bare yourself. And he looks up at the jumbotron and he sees that, like, the game, video game is playing. He's like, hey, turn it off, fucking off, mate. I'm trying to bear yourself and and he looks up the jumbotron he sees that like the game video game is playing he's like hey turn it off fucking off mate i'm trying to be honest here and he's like still like drinking he's drinking he's smoking and he's like so that's why i just wanted to take a moment to like clear up my intentions and like because i think intentions matter and like my intention was never to hurt anybody and and where's the camera where's the camera he like looks for like the camera to come up close he's like and that's what i just want to say go to so like a big ad pops up and it's like use code sorry 75 i'm just kidding fuck that play the music like i was i was fucking dying but then do you want something awful That happened to me

Awful Awful Before One of the songs Turns to the end As you guys know My legs have been hurt I've been

Very sore For like three days now Like I'm still Walking stiff Bro something is Wrong with you dog I'm like walking stiff I thought today would be better

It's better But it's not good still And Before the song starts He goes Now with you, dog. I'm like walking stiff. I thought today would be better. It's better, but it's not good still. And before the song starts, he goes, now, some guys out there think that if they jump, they're gay. Oh, no. And I completely disagree. I think if you don't jump, you're gay.

So everyone fucking get jumping. And I just stood there firmly going, I fuck pussy all the time. It was. You couldn't jump. Dude, I was like this. I was. Are you doing the.

I was like. Jumping with your upper body. I'm straight. I'm straight. And I'm looking at you. And I'm like. Look at that gay guy who can't even jump. And then at one point, he didn't point to me.

But at one point, he did point. He goes, look, guys, stop jumping. Gay guy. Gay guy. Dude, play the video I just sent you, Pavs, with the audio too. Jackie, have you seen this? Yeah. The top coat doesn't help.

It does not. That's for sure. first step you look like FDR taking his last steps that is so fucking funny bro did you like injure yourself no Like injure yourself? No. Just sort of. And you don't bend your knees at all. Bro, so try jumping with the threat of homosexuality hanging over you,

weighing your shoulders down. Bro, that first step, too. We weren't even, like, joking. Because maybe you were hamming it up at the end there. That first step, you were just hobbling with your knees perfectly locked. Something's wrong. No, I just did, like, I did. Do you not really work out your legs usually?

I do my legs a lot. I did, Corey G, I did lunges for 15 minutes straight. Oh. Just lunge walk for 15 minutes. 15 minutes? Dude, if I did 15 lunges. It was like I was home for the weekend, and I just didn't have a workout in me. And I was like, I know if I just go lunge for 15 minutes and do some squats, I'll be fine.

You're talking nonstop? Yeah. And I mean, I would have like. That is so many lunges. I'd have a sip of water maybe if I got. I was doing it in my parents' yard. So I would walk the whole yard and walk back and have a sip of water maybe if I got... I was doing it in my parents' yard, so I would walk the whole yard and walk back. I'd have a sip of water maybe, and then I'd walk back and walk back.

At your age, that's downright dangerous. And definitely eight minutes in, I would touch my quads. And they were just rocked. And they've just been flexed since then. What's wrong with you? I can't unflex them. Why did you do that? When you knew that in the moment, why didn't you just stop?

I said I was going to do 15 minutes, so I had to do 15 minutes. Have I told you about Keegan and the Crunches? No. So Keegan's getting more and more serious at martial arts, and the next level you actually have to try out at, and you have to pass a test where you can do sit-ups, push-ups, and maybe one other thing. And so the first thing is sit-ups.

Push-ups are pretty hard for a fucking six-year-old, you know? But sit-ups, they started doing and he's just banging them out. They do 30 seconds of sit-ups. And most of these kids are like, they'll be like ready to sit up and they have to go like and like push themselves up like that and king is just like so he he uh he's doing these sit-ups and and you know he has a partner holding his feet and counting them and then the the the teacher, Master O, goes around. He's like, how many did everybody do?

And they'll be like, two, four, and then Keegan did 21. And this pair next to him, one time he did 20. This pair next to him lied and said they did 21. And I was watching him because I knew I heard he could do these sit-ups. And so I'm watching him. I was fucking filming him. And I was about to be like, I've got the tape, sir. But the teacher obviously knew for sure that they were lying.

So he was like, oh, okay, you did 20? Oh, so he did 20 as well. So now you guys have to go head-to- to head and we'll see who can do more and the kid quick fast was like oh never mind but now now uh keegan thinks he's like i mean every every time we turn around he's like flexing his arms like does this help my six-pack? Do you worry that like, like most parents have a long time until their kid can kick their ass? Do you worry?

Oh, he's going to kick my ass when he's 12. Yeah. My goal is to make sure he can kick my ass when he's 12. I want, I feel like kids do the martial arts thing when they're young

and then they all seem to fall off because I don't know anybody who did it. Like an adult. Yeah, I did it like two years, I think three years ago. Yeah, but I hope like two years, I think, three years ago. Yeah, but I hope he sticks with it. Pat's got a black belt.

What does that mean? Because I'll see like an 11-year-old with a black belt. It's like, what the fuck does that mean? He's like five years. Just graduated like periodically. Yeah, because he's up to his fourth belt. This will be his fourth belt on Friday. What color?

Blue. Blue. It's still low. Pat's like his fourth belt on Friday. What color? Blue. It's still low. I kick his ass. You just start getting into sparring where you start fighting people and then you have to win a couple there. You win a chip and you get a black belt.

And then, yeah. So like, right now, could you do any of this shit? Absolutely not. I was like 11. Right, right. Okay, okay. But if you stuck with it, you would be in good shape. It's not like I think he's going to become a karate master, but I'm just more like I think you'll stay in shape and be fucking – help you with all your other sports and keep you active and all that sort of shit.

But it is funny when he's like – I'm just looking at these kids who are like halfway up the belts already. And they're like for fucking second grade. Yeah. I think that there's a tough I would imagine a tough window of like getting bullied when you're like it's not cool. Not even not cool. It is. I mean, from when I was in school, it wasn't cool. But like not even that it's uncool, that if you're good at karate, you're probably good at sports.

Sports are more fun. And sports are more fun and cooler. You're like, I'd rather just go play baseball and basketball and hockey and football. My friends are there. And maybe you make friends at the dojo or whatever, and then that doesn't become an issue. But I know where i went

did karate like it wasn't where my school was so none of my friends were in it and then once we started playing sports i don't remember actively making these decisions but i guess you do have to whittle things down when it's like i've you know practiced three times a week and games on the weekends and all that sort of shit and the girls like it like yeah yeah i wonder if it's not really like mma by any means but it is falling under that combat sports realm which is way more popular now but it is interesting to watch parents like definitely do it for like a confidence

thing for sure well that's the other thing is like he definitely is better about like he's focused more and he was like more respect and all that sort of shit but but he was he was flexing he was like what's this muscle called again what's this like i got a meathead on my hands the fuck is going on hit him with a try

to get by he was he was flexing we got out of the car and the headlights were still on and then it was night and the headlights were on he like walked by, and he caught a shadow, and he started looking in the light. God damn, dude. Don't fucking hurt him. Where's your trap? I think that's this. That one? The traps are, I think, what makes you have the meathead.

Give him that one. That'll be fun. Don't try to get by. You'll get trapped. That was a big one. That was some neat-ass shit. When you were... When did you become a meathead?

Like, was your dad, like, let's go work out? Yeah, I got a bench, like, my fifth grade birthday. You caught the it was early. You caught the meathead early. Yeah. You would work out with your dad. I would – I like – not grew up isn't the right word.

But like my parents like I guess couldn't afford babysitters. So like my dad would pick me up from school and I would go to the gym with him. And then like he would have a key to a gym and I would go to the gym in the morning with him. And I would kind of sit there before before school you would sit there before school and then like eventually you start working out with them yeah i like i was like sit there but like i was just like picking up weights and then by in fifth grade i started like but like they were also like i don't know if there's any truth to it but there was the rumor then that like you start working out before high school growth and shit stunts your growth so like i didn't work out work out probably i had a i had a gym probably when i in my like when i was in like fifth grade yeah because like i mean i never worked out and

it wasn't my dad wasn't like a big meathead either but he was in shape he was like in the merchant marines and all that but it was just like he didn't really care to like lift weights and shit so i i never grew up around it. So I was like, I don't want to do this. And then I never did it, and it was a terrible thing. So I'm like, I want to make sure he does do that. But that's going to be one of those. Go to your mom's boyfriend.

Go to him. I'll beat the video game. I'll beat this level you can't beat. You go lift shit with him. Come on back. He took him to the gym once. Keegan beat this level you can't beat. You go lift shit with him. Come on back. He took him to the gym once. Keegan, even prior to the sit-up thing, he went through. Some kid at school said something to him about a six-pack and being fast and athletic or whatever.

And Keegan just. Bro, six-pack fights I used to get in school. Bro, every kid has a six-pack when you're in. You're just fucking skinny. I know. I know. But I couldn't get skinny. Right. You don't actually have muscles. You just have your skin're in. You're just fucking skinny. I know. I know. But I couldn't get skinny. Right.

You don't actually have muscles. You just have your skin and bones. But it looks that way. I remember that very well. I'd just feed you one fucking pecan spin wheel a day, you fucking broke boy. You don't have a six-pack. You're just poor. Your dad doesn't have a job.

He went to the gym once because he got it in his head that he had to work out and had to train and shit. And he was like, I want to go to the gym. So dude took him to the gym and they were like. Wait, who's this? Caitlyn's boyfriend. Oh. And he was like, they were like, get out of here. He was like five.

This is absolutely not allowed. Go. He took you to the gym? Yeah. It's like sunny. You should absolutely not allowed. Go. He took Tiki to the gym? Yeah. It's like sunny. Just try to get a good base on it. Just put him in the tanning bed for two minutes. I'm going to call child services.

You see, I'm pretty sure it's the guy who did the beans in the computer. I've been following his account much more, so i don't know if they're new or old but he brought a tanning bed to the beach dragging a huge fucking like electronic power a battery-powered tanning bed to the beach and he also played um this might be the stupidest thing i've ever seen played reverse basketball they put a ball on a pole and shot the fucking entire backboard and rim onto the ball. It's good to see that there's some level of – did Steve-O go out yet? Yes. Like the fact that Steve-O is still doing it and he's moved on to like

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I have my own voicemail. I was in the deli this morning and just waiting in line, and this guy walks in, put together guy, but broken English, and he just goes right up to me, taps me on the shoulder. He goes, do you have a joke?

I was like, no. I'm trying to think of any joke I could tell. Isn't it crazy how men wear masks to rape? He's like, knock, knock, who's there? A rapist with a mask.

And he's repeating something. Do you have one joke for me? And I was like, no. And he's just like, okay. And then walked back. That was it.

Just walked in the deli, saw me, just because he didn't ask anybody else. Asked me for a joke. Did he go on camera or something? No, he had nothing. Fuck, dude the deli, saw me, because he didn't ask anybody else. Asked me for a joke. Did he have a camera or something? No, he had nothing. Fuck, dude. Now I'm thinking, like, if I was put on the spot.

What joke would you have? It's dozen brain. It's dozen bonus round brain, where it's like, just say a television show, and you go. I don't know a single show. I'd probably go with the Adam and Eve one. Is that one? The rib? Yeah.

Yeah. Such a long one, though. It's such a long one though it's such a but i'm ready to perform it dude that was one i i i told i heard when i was very young and we were at an insurance conference and the is it the greenbrier in west virginia wow i should stuck with you and because my dad was like, he brought me to the conference and was like, tell this to everybody. I was like his code

that day. He was like, my son's got a good joke for you. Oh, you told it to everybody? Yeah, he brought me down and I was like the icebreaker. Wow, that's pressure. I didn't think of it as pressure at the time but yeah, I was just like marched around

the Greenbrier. Isn't that funny, that innocence where you don't even realize yet that what you're doing is like everyone's worst fear? Yeah. I would probably go with the first one that jumped into my head was the jelly jam joke. That's a good one. It's not a good one but it's just a classic. That's a good one.

You couldn't think of one, huh? Not one. What about now? Still nothing. Jackie? Jackie, you got a joke? No. No.

I don't have anything. I was thinking the Adam and Eve thing reminded me that I think a saying, like I saw this TikTok and things like sayings that should make sense, and I think a good saying would be like when people are like in a perfect world like blah blah blah

and it would be like in a perfect world blah blah blah but Eve ate the apple. It's not a joke. It's just like I just think it should be a saying. You know?

In a perfect world where women do fuck up. No. Not women. Yeah. No. That is the joke.

You say in a perfect world like everything would be happy and we'd all be nice to each other but women fucked it up. No, no. Not women. Yeah, no, yeah. No, that's the joke. That is the joke. You say in a perfect world like everything would be happy and we'd all be nice to each other but women fucked it up. Eve won an apple. No. But Eve ate the apple. Sometimes it's so hard

trying to defend women. You walked right into that one. I actually don't even know what you mean other than that because that's really what you're telling me. No, but I'm just saying like I just think it should be a saying. Like blah, blah, blah.

But that saying conveys that men, that women fucked it up. No, I don't think it's about women fucking it up. I think it's just like Eve won an apple. It's about a woman fucking it up. Can we talk about that? What?

Jackie says women instead of woman. Oh, I was just saying like a woman, like Eve. Right, but when you say, does jackie say she says woman when she means when when she's talking about plural i think she says singular i mean shut up it's it's it's such a you say so many things weird no no you'll be like woman say woman say this That's crazy. Do you? Yes. No, I don't. Yep. Go back to listen to this episode.

You will. I promise you. I don't think I do. A woman says this. No, you'll be like, men are Neanderthals and women are nice. Rather than women. Do it fast. I'm thinking.

Men are Neanderthals and men, women are nice. You'll, you'll, you kind of did. Yeah. Whatever you want it to hear. It's like, it's whatever you want.

It's my, it's, it's my Mario. It's your Mario. My favorite. I think my, my favorite internet joke, like you can't tell,

I guess my favorite internet meme, I think I've decided is the, um, Tupac who said Pac, you know that one? No, it's great. Just so good. the um tupac ustad pak do you know that one no it's great just so good it's tupac like tats out gangster bandanas on and then a picture of tupac like in court in a nice suit and it says formal versus informal tupac ustad pak so good i'm just thinking about being one of those guys who invented one of those original memes it's got to be so good

one of the og meme makers is like that was memes. It's got to be so good. One of the OG meme makers is like, that was me. The whole fucking world uses this. That was me first. You should just start saying that. There's no way people could prove. You got to pick an obscure one, but you can be like, that was me. I did that for a while, so I invented no filter.

Oh, yeah. But you kind of did, right? No. No? I thought you were one of the first. See, it worked. Yeah, that was probably like early 2010s. I just said it all the time. I mentioned no filter.

And people believed it. It's a believable thing. It's a perfect lie. What's up, guys? I'm just listening to the episode about Kevin's high school reunion, and it's got me thinking a little bit about my time at high school. And the one story that sticks out is, this is probably 10 years ago now, on Halloween, someone dressed up as James Holmes, which is the dude that shot up the Batman premiere in Colorado. And this was right around that time.

So he basically dyed his hair orange. He was in an orange jumpsuit, and he basically just walked around all day with the craziest look in his eyes. And my English teacher was like, Are you who I think you are? And he's like, Yep. And she just kind of shrugged like, It's fair play it's halloween you could be whatever you want definitely wouldn't slide today definitely can't be a school

shooter for halloween um and then too it was the beginning ages of kids like sneaking into the bathroom to vape but there weren't these little portable vapes back then it was like these giant things that looked like a supercomputer ready to mine some bitcoin uh so i guess i'm just question for you would just kind of be what are you know would you go back and want to live your high school life as you did or would you want to kind of jump forward and and live the life that a high schooler lives now with their little baby babes. School shooter for Halloween. Just a funny story. That's crazy.

Throw on some Columbine trench coats and be like, we're like Ethan and Evan or whatever the fuck their names were. That's fucking nuts. I told the story about, I said that on the air, the skit I did making fun of my favorite teacher. Yeah, I mean, that was the perfect example of that where it was just like nobody nobody even blinked i don't i don't really have anything i'm sure don't i'm sure we did a lot of things but i don't have one of those a moment sticks out where it's like that was a different time you know what it really

boils down to all these stories it it really the whole era of like not being able to do things, it's just people realizing consequences. Yeah. Like those teachers were like, this is bad, but like, I don't know. So what tomorrow they just won't do it. You know what I mean? Tomorrow's a new day. But in like nowadays, it'll be like, this is going to get to like the superintendent

and blah, blah, blah. Right. So it's just like, nobody actually cares. They're just like, I'll get caught now. Right. It's really the superintendent. So it's just like nobody actually cares. They're just like, I'll get caught now. That's really the difference. I mean, I'm always a nostalgia guy. I'm always going to be like I'd rather live back then. Yeah, I'd for sure take my life, my high school life.

It's just so much more simple. Even just down to like the no phones, just i don't know we had your brains were no but like okay i had phones but like not being on at all not social media yeah you know like your brain was just like just running not thinking not or not or not yeah yeah not running just uh like in neutral you know there's no neutral now it's like you's like you're in gear all the time one way or the other. But that also coincided with my childhood. Like sometimes I'm trying to figure out is like all – is my stress and anxiety just a product of my age? Or is it that as I'm getting older, the world is getting more stressful?

You know what I mean? Like if you were 40 and 50 in the nineties, would, would, would you still be like, ah, I'm so stressed. Probably. Cause it's different. It's all relative.

Yeah. Yeah. It's new technologies that are right. I just, I just didn't even know what I would be. I guess you're, it's just like the one article in the newspaper rather than 500 things you learned that day.

Yeah. You know, but, but, but I would always, I would always go back. But I guess like, I guess his point though, is there are little things like the vapes are easier now. It's like, I don't know.

It's pretty fucking cool. You can get weed delivered to your house again. I personally like we were talking about that at the reunion. I was like, how did you guys get your weed? And they were like, you know, a couple of guys used to get from the same guy I got from. And, you know, we get in his SUV and drive around the corner in the Bronx. And I was super dangerous. A couple of the guys had some weird older guys that were probably communicating with kids for the wrong reasons.

So that was weird, but I kind of like that. I'm like, yeah, we had to fucking do some crazy shit. You kids can literally have your parents, like your neighbors come over and hear. I wish I had something. I'm still trying to think, like, I mean, that school shooter one's so good. That is. Bananas.

I really don't have, like, anything that really sticks out that, like, what we did was fucked up by modern standards. Like, we did, like, again, I want to be clear. We definitely did stuff. I just can't think of something right now. The only thing that's come to mind is when we stole someone's hubcaps and we hit them in shit. In shit?

Like in manure? Yeah, in a bag of yak shit, which I thought, it's maybe the hardest I've ever laughed to this day. Wait, where was there yak shit? We had yaks on campus. And... It's maybe the hardest I've ever laughed to this day. Wait, where was their yak shit? We had yaks on campus. It's ringing now. Wasn't it the girlfriend's hubcap?

Yeah, we just stole her hubcap and put it in. We sent her on a scavenger hunt. We had notes being like, here's a clue, here's a clue. And the clue was just a big bag of yak shit. And watching her open that up, it's the hardest I've ever laughed. Yeah, that's amazing. That's some Saved by the Bell sitcom skit shit. Big bag of yak shit. And watching her open that up was the stars of her life. Yeah, that's amazing. That's some like Saved by the Bell

like sitcom skit shit. Like you said, like you're next. This is the last clue. You'll have to have cash next. She thought they were going to be just sitting

like in a pile like an idiot. Obviously, they're going to be in a big bag of yak shit. Yeah. That girl, as soon as she picked up

the first clue, she should have been just somebody show me where the pile of shit is. I know these are going to be in a pile of shit. I know that doesn't apply at all i don't know why my brain made the connection between the two um but that like i don't know fuck like i really want to have an answer here but i don't you don't because you don't remember them because they weren't like moments they were were just like, I don't know, they came and went.

So you're being an idiot and like nobody cared. Yeah. You know? I mean, we all went on a, I don't know if this probably still happens, but like going on that spring break trip when we were all like, you know, we were seniors in high school, all allowed to go away to a fucking third world country. That ain't happening today. I'll let my kids do that.

I'll never forget my buddy Block who he wanted to rappel down the balcony of the hotel. It was only on the second floor so he just wanted to jump off the balcony and just like one time

like a one rappel and then down to the ground and we stole the life ring from the pool so it was like a tube and then had a long rope probably should have been more on a boat but whatever it was yeah it was at the pool and we uh and he was you know a big a big dude and we so so we tied the rope to the bottom of the bed, and then we had a couple guys stand there and hold the rope like this with their feet up against the railing to hold him. And then he jumped, and it was just way too much slack.

And it never caught. Smashed to the ground. And it was a different – i think one guy did it successfully uh and then this guy he hit and it was like the the um floor level hotel room and it was like a patio and it whacked the furniture everywhere and the the old people beneath like popped their head out and he was just scrambling running but another guy tried to do it and he uh i guess he probably went first or maybe you know the next guy was like okay let's try this correctly with the right

amount of slack and he rope burned all the skin off his hands all the skin right off his hands ruined his entire trip and i was just i was never that dude i was never the like watch me do some crazy shit i was always the i will watch you yeah and i will laugh at you and you will get the validation you want from me because i think this is awesome but i am not risking my body my life my you know i'm not going to jail for anything dumb none of that shit so my dad was that guy i don't know why it never really passed down to me my dad got kicked out of college his second semester senior year for uh he was in the merchant marines so it's like you know military school and his friends stole like the i guess like the dean if you will whatever it's called at at the fort uh stole his jeep and they hid his jeep and they had like the radio from the jeep and they were

like radioing in clues of like where to find it and they were like where the fuck is the jeep and they were like radioing in clues of like where to find it and they were like where the fuck is the jeep like you kids get off this line and they'd be like go here go there whatever and probably actually and they yeah it was a gentleman and then they found it and they were like okay you're expelled and he like had to beg beg beg beg his way to get on to graduate and then a couple other of his friends painted a gigantic 76. I've told this story before. They were the class of 76 on top of, I think, the Throg's Neck Bridge, which is the one in the Bronx. It looks like the Empire State Building. Like a gigantic, probably like 20 to 30 foot tall numbers.

They just tied ropes around their waist and rappelled off of that to paint, which is so fucking insane and then for that then just to like the payoff to be like we painted big numbers like they were just like okay assholes that was i'm just gonna send someone up there to paint over it and you're expelled like fucking dickheads that was in the high school in my town that was like there's this big water cooler by the campus and there's like a challenge like from graduating class to graduating class like who could get their year highest and it was like like picking a big thing water up no no no like like you know like you huge water coolers like like tanks like water tank like you know what i mean like yeah like but you're saying physically who could like lift it to highest no no, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, they're not like, like, like in Boston, they have the one that's like multicolored. That's like, it's maybe they're not water tanks.

Like a water tower. Yeah. Okay. Like, and they, who could climb the highest to paint their graduating year. And that was, no one ever died, but that's a pretty dangerous one. I'm pretty sure the senior class above me did, like, the typical, like, I didn't even think these were real. Like, you release three pigs and name them one, two, four.

I think they actually did that shit. Really? Yeah. Like, crickets in the hallway or a bunch of bouncy balls down the hallway. I think they did all those, like, classic ones. And then my grade got in trouble for we put a fucking toilet in front of the door with chocolate sauce. And, like, four of my friends were not allowed to walk at graduation. They went hard. They fucking punished hard. got in trouble for we put a fucking toilet on in front of the door with chocolate sauce and like

four of my friends were not allowed to walk at graduation they went hard they fucking punished hard that's that's the guys that's what guys do girls are mean and guys are dumb you're never gonna catch girls being like let's fucking get a bunch of pigs and then climb on top of the water tower all right what else hey ksc radio. We have an incredible app that everyone who buys gas, gasoline, you're probably listening to this in your car, needs to know about. Upside. Our listeners are earning cash back for every gallon of gas they buy. Are you looking for extra cash or money you could use towards paying bills? Upside is the perfect app for you.

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has a better version of the name John than we do. For example, in Germany, you have Johans. Kind of the same name, a little different. I like it. In the Netherlands, you have Jan. Just J-A-N, three letters, simple. In Russia, do you know what their version of John is? Ivan. Ivan.

If you have a fight and there's a guy named John and a guy named Ivan Based off of their names Who you gonna pick And they got Hans In the Danish H-A-N-S If my name was Hans Do you know how many women I would go up to

Like yo girl you want these Hans on you Speaking of putting Hans on women Do you know what the Italians Version of John is Giovanni I would go up to Leia. Girl, you want these Hans on you? Speaking of putting Hans on women, do you know what the Italian's version of John is? Giovanni. Giovanni. Bro, who would you rather make pizza for you? A John or a Giovanni?

That's a great call. Bro, let me tell you this much. If Rocky IV was just John Drago, that fucking movie stinks. I did not know that. Obviously, I assumed that Johan was a John. I assumed that Juan is a John. I never knew that Ivan or – Hans is like a prince.

You know what I mean? Hans is from Frozen. If you tell somebody you're Hans, it's like, ooh. Hans and Franz. John is just a kid with unoriginal parents. But like John, you know, there's a lot of like very important and famous Johns. Well, the odds are in our favor. There's a million Johns.

Right. But there's a million Johns for a reason. It was like fucking John Adams and John Quincy Adams and John Henry and John – like a lot of the important people in American history are John. Yeah. That's probably why there's so many of them. It's not original because it's like the Johns were fucking running shit. You know what I learned the other day?

Did you know that Jalen Rose is the first Jalen? I did just found that out too though. That's crazy. Great. Can you fact check that? They Googled it. His mom can find James and Leonard, I think. But that might be...

But you're telling me that nobody else ever had their own... One person before him. That's just like... And they know that from like a census or something yeah so gangster that's so cool i always think about like if you could only pick one like one name to date and you could only date people in that name but you could get like any person with that name oh that's a great question, Jackie. Thank you.

Very typical when guys are like the thing in TED. It's all the slutty names. If I could get every Amber out there, you'd have a lot of hot chicks. I went the other way. Those were immediately eliminated.

However you want to do it eliminated well that's yeah however however you want to do it but that's that's the point of the the the power of this question i i went with the first who came to mind were samantha and katherine well now are you going to play what do you why what's your reason i just think there's a couple ways you can play this you can play you can play the numbers game where it's like i want to make sure i have access to the most girls that's what it's that it's a number it's popular names that i think are typically attractive samantha and there's obviously some names that are more rare that you're like that's a hot name like a hundred percent of the time there's so many like

catherine's man i i i think i think samantha's and catherine's you probably got a good good record what do you what would you pick as a girl jackie like Like, so, then you, like, also think, is it going to be, are you going for quantity or quality? But, like, so then I would probably try and do a rich name. So, am I going, like, Charles or James? Or am I going, like... But then, you know, if you want to go, you've got to go, like, trip. You've got to go with some rich names. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then it's, like, I also want, like, somebody fun. Like, I don't know if I really want somebody who's, like, old money, you know. You know what's good about, like, yeah. But then it's like I also want somebody fun. I don't know if I really want somebody who's old money. You know what's good about the Charles? Jack is a good one. Charles and James, you just said, I think you're going to run the gamut. You'll probably get a Charles Wentworth from the country club, but you could also just get Charles Smith who's fucking – there's going to be poor Charleses too.

You're also running the risk there of dating adult chuckies or jimmies like they go by chucky or jimmy oh chucky is tough i don't think chuck's the worst i i think no i think chuck's okay chuck is kind of like it's a funnier nickname it's a it's a little saying it on purpose but like i i i i got a i got no problem it's my boy chuck yes i feel like hi this is my husband's sex yeah yeah it is a little different that's tough shout out this is my this is my husband he's a let's let's let's ask cartoon we should ask chuck how he feels about that have you ever felt weird yeah being chuck the i got i i i was chuck growing up who was like the man. He's like my favorite guy ever.

Chuck's definitely carry a weight about him. But that's like with the boys. I don't know. I have a feeling Chuck around the girls isn't as welcome. I mean if you meet a girl and you introduce yourself as Timmy. No, there was this one to me at USCc that everyone was like obsessed with timmy yeah but you know what i mean like in general that feels like you're a little boy yeah yeah my uh my sister's husband is named petey and he like my dad in the beginning was like hi pete and like

his family calls him petey yeah but my dad was like i don't know that's weird he's pete it's like it's just not his name. And he's like – he's not like – you would never be like, LOL, Petey. Like you're some – he will like fucking eat you alive. He's like a big dude. So it's almost like it needs to be that juxtaposition in a way. You know what I mean? It's like if you're called like Lil Jon because you're fucking huge.

But if you have – like Tommy, okay. Timmy, i don't think works nope uh i also think sometimes there's like i like robbie isn't it can be like a name versus just adding e on the end of somebody's name you know what i mean no like um jim is your name but people might also call you jimmy whereas i feel like i know rob and robbie but i think of like robbie as its own name yeah i can see that like certain names are just i'm adding on the ie or the y whereas other names of i think of that the ie or the y as its own yeah yeah i get what you're saying yeah i get what you're saying um names are so

wild i i get into a frankie like spiral where i like, who came up with names and why do they do them? And, like, there's so many to choose from now, but back then there wasn't. So when you were first naming your kid, who the fuck? Why did you? You know what I mean? Like, if it was me, first people, I'd be like, you're one, you're two, and you're three. You know? And then what?

You know, it's just the fact that it spirals into like you know this name means like ray of light it's like i don't fucking yeah that doesn't mean any i guess i guess parents do still look at it right like you i mean you what what i did was like i like this name what does it mean oh that's cool yeah that's what i mean yeah yeah but i never i don't think to myself like you gotta be like a native american to be like yeah you were born on like a cold American to be like – Yeah. You were born on like a cold, windy night, so we're going to call you whatever cold, windy means. Now it's just like, oh, I don't even – I can't even tell you what – I did this with my kids, but I don't remember what they are.

That's not what it means. But it's like, oh, I like the name Keegan, and it also means like Red Warrior. Like, okay, yeah, let's do it. Whatever, dude. Can't do 20 sit-ups or whatever. This guy saying the other countries thing made me realize, not realize, but think of, like, why do we call other countries what we call them? Yeah, because that's interesting, too, because they don't call it. Deutschland is Germany, right?

Yeah. Like, if someone comes to me and his name is Juan, I'm not like John. Oh, you're talking about the names of the... No, I'm talking about the names of countries,

but I'm just using that as an example. We don't change to fit. No, I'm... Mexico. Nah, Mexico. Yeah. Like, why is...

Speak American. Why do we say Germany instead of, like, Deutschland? That one really fucks me up because it's like it's like it's an easy enough thing to say it has a word why do we call it a different word right i think i think about like also our good question accent is like like it's like where'd our accent come from and i guess it's just like a mixture of all them so it's like like when you sing you

know how it's always an american accent yeah yeah so it's just like everything like like our accents i mean i guess it's not that deep of a thought but just like our accents are just like a really neutralized mixed version of everyone i think that's what i feel like it's like when we pronounce mexico it's just like all of it's the most neutral way to say it. Is that true? I don't know. Well, you would think that if we're – the American accent means like the melting pot. Like we all just mix it up until it meets somewhere in the middle.

Yeah. So like they say Mexico. Some other guys over here are like Mexico, and then it just becomes like Mexico. Everything kind of meets in the middle um there was that mid-atlantic accent that was like made up that's i always found that very interesting yeah yeah that that was just made up by hollywood and then just like stopped they're like that was stupid uh why do we call deutschland germany because it was germania, right?

Oh, yeah. That was like a... Let's see this. How about this? Everybody's got a different... It's crazy. Oh, yeah. No, like no country goes by what we call it. It doesn't make sense to me.

But I'm saying every country has a name for Germany. Do they all have different names? I know. Spanish is Alemania. French is Alemania. Dutch is Duitsland know Spanish is Alemania. French is Alemania. Dutch is Duitsland. Spanish is Alemania. In the middle, and then Polish is Niemcy.

N-I-E-M-C-Y. But yeah, I wasn't speaking strictly for America. Why does every country call it? Tisland. I thought it was an American thing. I didn't know that Germany had a different name all over the world. What does Italy call Italy? I thought they called it Deutschland all over the world. I thought they called it Deutschland

all over the world. It's Italia? Yeah. Why do we call it Italy? It doesn't make any sense. Why don't we just call it Italia? Good point. It's not as much harder. It's just Italia. I don't know why this reminded me of it, but the word whittle is just the dumbest.

Yes, I did. But you guys said it. I think just whatever. Um, I think it's the dumbest word. I think it's the gayest word. Like if somebody told you like, I whittle work, it sounds like you have like a list.

Like, Oh, I do a whittle. I do my whittle hobby. And when somebody says whittle, like I cannot take them seriously. Like, I just think about, I get take them seriously. I just think about it. I get the ick.

Wait. What is it? Is it about urinating? That was whittle with a D. Yeah. I thought it was how whittle is spelled. I thought it was spelled that way, too. I thought it was with an H.

I thought it was W-H-I-T. I'm going to whittle? Like, when you guys say whittle right now, I get the ick. Okay. Well, guess what? I don't have to go take a quick piss anymore. I got to go Whittle. John, we have three minutes before radio.

Let's go Whittle. All right. Let me just go Whittle real quick. You can't go Whittle real quick. You got to Whittle real quick. Just give me two seconds left. Oh, yes. Yes, of course.

Your forehead's shiny. You look perfect. Oh! Yes! Just give me two seconds. Oh, yeah. Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah. Your forehead's shiny. You look perfect. Oh! Magro. Yes! Yes. He looks perfect, but I have to own my kid.

He doesn't need me. Oh, man. You want to damp him up next? A little bit of it. Just get him with something. Oh, you're going to get me? Yeah. Let's go. Thank you very much.

Love it. Love it. Thank you. All right. We got Swiss Beats in the building. Dude, you are a busy man, bro. I mean, you were just saying you're up at 5 a.m., but, man, when you start to look at all the stuff you've done in your career,

it is quite the resume. You know, not just music and well beyond. Now you're doing this TV show. Drive, November 16th on Hulu. Drive Whistler's Beats. A little family action as well, right, with your son. But, man, I was floored when I found out how young you were when you started. I had no idea. Yes.

That, I mean, if you don't mind, we're probably going to talk about some things that you've talked about many times before, but my audience, I feel like, it would be a surprise to hear it. When I learned that you were 17? Yes, sir. And not only starting that early,

but that the first beat you ever made was Rough Riders Anthem? Is that true? No, that's not true. That would be nuts. That would be like... That would be nuts. That would be nuts. So that's not true. Before that I did Band From TV. Right, because I was trying to remember my years. Taylor Roofoff and Flip Mo Squad records. Right. I think what I was so surprised, most surprised was the age and then also just the sheer volume that you've done.

Like, for whatever reason, you know, you know about Rough Riders, you know about The Lox, DMX. But then you look, I mean, you've done songs for absolutely everybody. Like, you know, classics that sometimes I maybe just didn't even realize were you. Wow. And you realize your catalog is second to none. I mean, it's truly crazy. Thank you. Do you think you, from a sheer amount,

because you were doing entire albums for a lot of those guys, right? Yeah. So you're not just talking about like, oh, I got one or two beats from this guy on my album. You're talking about full executive produced 10, 12, 15 tracks.

Yes. Is there anybody out there on that level that's done as much as you have? I think people are catching up. Are they? They might. Yeah? Some might have passed me.

But the thing was, you know, it was about the formula at that time. You know, artists came to me for the formula. And what I did, how I got so many songs was because I would come up with the tracks, no samples, and I would have the chorus already pre-made. So all the artists had to do was come in and fill in the blanks. So they wanted to chase girls, parties,

all these different things, but they had to come to the studio to go to work. So let's say an artist came in the studio and I'm just examining like, okay, he's in a high energy, he or in a in a high energy he or she is in a high energy mood we're gonna do a party track today I'll pull up the party songs with the choruses in them okay she just broke away her boyfriend we're definitely gonna do the best love song or breakup song today and just curating the room and so um artists got used to that to

that to that system because they can come to the session with me and put the record out the next day wow no sample clarins no no anything like and that's we never doing any samples that was all original just like your your music i mean 90 percent of my catalog is no samples that's got to be a huge x factor right yeah it was a game change yeah that and right in the chorus so yeah you end up owning about 80 of the songs you see really you were plug and play yeah you were the cheat code you what was it game genie yeah i've never thought about the sample aspect no bullshit no red tape no fucking labels lawyers no the labels were sending them to us sending them to me because it was no headaches right you know so so not only are you just like it's a sound and people like it but it's also like

we got to work fast we need to do this let's go to swiss absolutely even and so and what i thought was crazy is finding out you were what 17 18 and during that that run nobody ever tried to be like like you own that and you you ran your own shit no like label exec tried to be like these are my beats or like let's like almost like ghost writing but for producers no one tried to take advantage of you being so young my family was the rough riders yeah that helps that house right yeah but but beyond that yeah so those guys were eager to be like no like he made these nobody was really around me to do that to be honest like we had a we had a we had a set way how we was working they had to go through dny to probably get to me because i was so focused on the records

that we had in-house that it you know um it wasn't it wasn't until um-Z and then we signed with Jimmy Iovine at Entoscope. And Jimmy Iovine is a producer himself. So hooking up with Jimmy, it allowed me to, like, expand my wings and work on different artists that I would have never worked on. Like, I wrote Keep Rollin' Rollin' for Lumbiski. I know. I wanted to ask you about that that is so funny because like i mean the beat is fucking incredible and you have some incredible incredible rappers on there but then there's fred durst on the track like that i feel like uh

it's you start to realize you can do any almost any genre work with anybody like this this sound works with whoever you want it to work for you and that was again you wrote the hook on that like that was like a full production that you were like 80 percent wow and then i remember being treated so well from the rock and roll side of the industry i moved to la for a little bit and i remember leaving i was at sony studio and i see jay coming in as i'm going out and and he was like, man, I'm going to be in the studio for the week. We should probably work on something. I'm working on this little whatever he was working on, and I was like, nah, I'm going to the West Coast for a while.

I'm going to start this thing called Swiss Beats in the Band. He said, I'll see you when you get back. Was Fred Dst cool? Super cool. Super cool. I remember being in the studio and we did two versions. They took the version that I made and made it a Fishy Rock version, which was pretty cool. And then it was technically the original version had, I think, Redman and a couple of other people on it.

But I remember at that time I made like a big mistake when it came time to shoot the video because I wasn't really letting people know that I was producing rock at that time because it wasn't the cool thing to do. I'm a rough rider at this time and people was quick to say you crossed over and all this stuff. And so they invited me to shoot the video

on the former Twin Towers, which I regret. And I'm like, nah, you know, I'm going to just sit this one out. Wait, I'm sorry. What'd they do? They shot the Roland video and invited me to it. And I didn't go to the video because I didn't want to seem like I was crossing over on the hip-hop side.

And then the video is shot. I see Snoop Dogg in the video, this one, exhibit. I see all over yes yes on the hip-hop side yes yeah and then i look at and then the video is shot i see snoop dogg in the video this one exhibit i see all of the artists in the video i was pissed and it was on the videos on twin towers yeah no shit i didn't know that i wish i did that video don't let people talk you out of your dreams but there was that was a time now it's all crossover and like anybody can work with anybody you know you got kendrick on a taylor swift track you know like things like that does not mean anything but there was for sure a time where it was like you don't do that or or when it like when jay did a song with michael jackson i was like wait what like rappers were in their own you know bubble yeah but i was pulling it with Marilyn Manson. Yeah, right, right.

With DMX. Yeah. This was different. They're like, who is this guy? You know, we go in the studio, and he comes in looking like a lawyer. I was like. Marilyn Manson does? Yes.

No way. It was the trippiest thing ever. We think he's coming in with the makeup and the boots like I got on now. Yeah. And he came in just with a suit on, just like, hi, guys. How you doing? Oh, shit. Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you? afternoon gentlemen i was like oh this is crazy so and uh so to go back to your style though you're like you know

teenager and you come with the beat and the hook and all these guys were were cool with that like you're making a beat for jay-z and you're like here's here's the music and here's your hook and he's not like i'm gonna do hey young and like i'll tell you how the track's gonna be no no no they wasn't they wasn't um i wasn't telling them what the hook is i was suggesting that you know i would play it and say i have a chorus on it but you know um they they can make their own choruses sure but most But most of them chose my choruses. Right. Like Money Cash Hose, you're doing for Jay-Z, right?

No, Jay-Z did that. He did that. Okay, interesting. Jay-Z did that. Interesting. But I had Jigga. So Jigga, then that was Eve actually saying Jigga. Eve's voice is the one actually saying Jigga.

Right, right. Yes. I mean, you had a pool of talent at that point. Yeah, man. That was crazy. Endless, endless days in Sony studio. Yeah, I bet, dude. So then, and then the other side of you, I mean, you are married to one of the most beautiful and talented people in the world.

And I feel like, you know, you have this great family working together now. I mean, it goes well beyond music. I feel like when people realize the full spectrum of you, it's a very impressive thing you've put together. Thank you. Tell me about Drive with Swiss Bees. Oh, man. I've been into cars since growing up in the Bronx,

seeing cars drive by. I couldn't afford, that's my car, this is my car. Where were you in the Bronx? Jackson Avenue. St. Mary's my car. This is my car. We used to sit on the side. Where were you in the Bronx? Jackson Avenue. Okay. St. Mary's Projects, to be exact. And I lived in Boston Road. There's two shots in my Boston Road team.

Family. You can't mention one without the other. And then my first car was a Nissan Z300 Twin Turbo. Paid about $6,000 for that. Then probably put like $60,000 in it. I know the exact car you're talking about. You put $60,000 into that? Yeah, Recaro seats with the Rough Rider logos, the TVs, all these things.

I should have just bought a new car. Yeah, at that point. $65,000, you could have got a nice off-factory set. But there's something about doing it yourself, too, right? There's just something about amplifying the car. You know? Are we talking now, like, Fast and the Furious type shit? Like, the performance of the car?

Or are we talking, like, the luxury and the look? I went more luxury because the Z was already performance-wise amazing. Yeah. You know, I wanted the lights under the bottom. Yep. I wanted the music crazy that would really cost me was you know using like recaro and those particular brands and alpine and all of those things um but it started it started my love started there then i started um becoming

successful with music and collecting and doing winning car shows and all those things so when it came around to doing the show um i didn't want to give off the blingy rapper car uh sub like it's kind of predictable yeah like the easiest thing for me to do is show you a bunch of million dollar cars and this ride type shit yeah that's easy but the thing was to really educate people on the car culture um and educate people on you know the different car clubs around the world because you know even right here in new york i didn't know how many car clubs we had in new york you know i knew that okay you have the bbs boys who's on the show pcNY who have

more new school clubs. What exactly constitutes a car club? Like, same way like a motorcycle club? Like, it's just, you know, cars, right? Okay. Do they drive, do car clubs tend to drive around, like, and together like motorcycles do? 100%.

Yeah, really? 100%. But you never really see it. No. Yeah. So, like, even in LA, like, the hot rod culture is crazy, which you'll see in the show. But then we go to Japan and see that the lowrider community is crazy as L.A. I was going to say, the only thing I can picture is L.A., the lowriders and the hydraulics and all that. That was never in New York.

We didn't shoot the lowriders in L.A. because it was predictable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we shot the lowriders in Japan, and then they referred back to L.A. of their inspiration. And then you get to see a father and son journey i thought this was amazing because you don't really hear a lot of good stories of father and sons from from our community you know it's always a bad story this my dad wasn't there his dad wasn't there all of these things yeah and that's not the only story you know they are amazing dads and son relationships. And I thought the show was a great amplifier, you know, to that particular topic.

But then, more importantly, it showed community. Yeah. You know, like, and it showed me patience and discipline. I'm not going to lie. Really? Yeah. Yeah, because you think everything is for sale and it's not. Were you trying to buy cars on the road?

I was trying. I mean, I bought one car. But in Japan, they wasn't having it. Really? They wasn't having it. Were you throwing out premiums on it? Like, I'll pay whatever? They said no.

It got to the point where I was like, man, just tell me the number. I own 80% of my songs. Give me a number. And the guy is shaking his head. And he pulls me to the number. I own 80% of my songs. Give me your number. And the guy is shaking his head, and he pulls me to the side, and he says, you know, it's not the money. It's that I built this car with my hands for 10 years. Right, right. I said, got it. And then you almost respect the fact.

Now I don't want to buy it because I want you to have it because I respect the car itself. But it showed discipline and patience yeah this person built this for 10 years to the perfection yeah i want to try that one day yeah well it's i mean probably similar in a way to music in a way right like if you construct the song and it's your beat and your vision yeah all that you know i was listening i listened to the old episode of drink champs you did where you were so mad that the boys uh that they didn't let the the band from tv beat drop if you know this song it's like it's just like the first you know 10 seconds was supposed to be like an intro and then the beat drops and they like that intro like so much that's just the song and he was like that's not the fucking song guys like we haven't even got there. And they're like, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever.

Imagine you shot the trailer for the movie and they're like, nah, this is the movie. That's how I felt. I felt like the trailer, they put the trailer of the movie out and called it the movie. The movie never dropped. But it was a good fucking trailer, man.

That beat, you know. Do you, have you ever put out the full beat? I don't even know this. Come on, you gotta find it. I have to find man. Have you ever put out the full beat? I don't even know who it is. Come on, you've got to find it. I have to find it. If you put that out right now, the world would light up to hear the actual band from TV. Maybe even get them back on the song. Nori has it.

I know Nori has it for sure. Call up Nori and be like, find that fucking song, man. I have i have to dig in the craze man find that shit that would be a real hip hop drills at that time it was two inch reels and it was that right so so you gotta find that yeah that's that's not just like pull it up on your computer you know um speaking of movies real, you mentioned something earlier. And I'm wondering what your take is on it, Swiss Beats. Fast and Furious. Are you a Fast and Furious fan?

Yeah, I like Fast and Furious. Do you love it? I like to watch it. This dude watched all of them in a row. He watched like 20 straight out. Oh, I didn't mention it. He said he watched it all in a row. Well, I did that. I did that. But I've seen it a million times in a row. He watched like 20 straight hours. Oh, I didn't binge it, but I... Oh, no, I don't watch it. I didn't binge it either. He didn't binge it in a row. I binge it. No, he said he watched it all in a row.

Well, I did that. I did that, but I've seen it a million times in a row. Yeah, I counted. He watched it, and he tried to guess how many car crashes there are in the whole series, and then he sat there, and he watched them, and he counted them. Now, that's serious. There's a lot. That's a big thing.

Well, I'm just trying to figure out what kind of car guy I'm sitting with. You know, I watch a lot of Fast and Furious. I know a thing or two about cars. Couldn't change a tire or anything, but you know everything about Fast and Furious. I genuinely feel like if you look back on your career when it's all said and done in terms of music, I think your catalog and just the music music you made probably number one let's say i think versus and what it is in hip-hop is like 1a i think that is one of the coolest things that has ever come out of music thank you specifically rap but music in general that

was like it was an internet phenomenon a music phenomenon yeah it's it's all positive you mentioned community it's like i can't uh when that was really popping during the the the uh pandemic it was like all i could talk about it was like do you see who's next to you like where you know it was like watching like a sporting event almost you know you get together with your boys to watch the game or talk about it afterwards it was like we're dressing up yeah it was like a million people on instagram live six million at once yeah concurrent yeah no way we started getting crazy numbers it started going that has to be the biggest uh instagram stream ever right no it's the biggest uh live performance stream period period right yeah i forget just instagram just out of all of the live

streaming performance shows. Do you remember which one hit six million? Which duo? I think Brandy and Monica. Big one. I think Brandy and Monica. It was a bunch of them. Yeah, I mean, they all took off at one point.

Was that hard to get people to do it? Are people nervous or are people excited to kind of compete? Scary. I would be scared. You got to have a good catalog to be ready to battle some of the names you were putting up there. I mean, people was down, you know, and still now. Like, we're about to relaunch again with some big surprises and have some more fun. Because for me, Versus wasn't just for the pandemic

because it's celebrating artists, it's celebrating music, it's celebrating culture, it's bringing the world together. And I think that's something that should continue. Because it's the only show that technically gave back to the artists in a real way. Like, each artist's dreams was going up like 700%. Yeah, I imagine. You haven't stopped seeing Ja Rule and Ashanti since Versus.

Yo, really. I mean. It's called the Versus effect. It was at such a time. I think hip-hop's in a weird spot where newer acts and newer music is not, you know, quite catching on the way it was. And old acts are touring again, streaming again. And I think a lot of that was kickstarting. There were so many guys that it was like you knew their name and you know they're good.

But then you watch them rattle off 10 or 15 or 20 songs in a row and you're like, oh, wait a minute. Ludacris is a fucking icon. This guy, you know the major names, but you start to go down the list. It's like all of these people. Oh, that's my favorite song. No, wait,ris is a fucking icon. This guy, you know the major names, but you start to go down the list, and it's like all of these people, oh, that's my favorite song. No way, that's my favorite song. Oh, he made that beat?

Oh, no way, I forgot about that. I mean, it's the sheer amount of it. And I think the fact that you and Timberland did it first, like if it was two music execs who came up with the idea, it's fine, whatever. But the fact like... Yeah, our versus was five hours. Five hours?

In the pandemic you're talking about? Yeah. Where you were in the car and all that shit? Yeah, from the garage to the car. That's what was so cool too. You were like, I lost my Wi-Fi,

I get in my car, you're leaning in. He was tuned in. Yeah. Oh, I'm telling you, I'm the biggest fanboy of versus because it's like, it's my,

especially that era is when I grew up with it and like, yeah, when you were in the car and playing that shit, like, I mean, again, and that's also where I started to realize. I was like, oh, man, that one, like Swiss has, you can go toe-to-toe with anybody in the world. Absolutely. To me. Is there a person you have not gotten yet that you want? Many people.

Many people. Is there a specific specific white whale that you haven't? I don't want to say it because I want it to actually happen. Don't say it until it's done. What happens is, you know. No, I get it. I get that for sure. Versus is very strange because people, the artists, this is a big task for them sure although it's celebrating them it's a big task it's a challenge yeah it's a big task do you do you think people

think of it like my favorites were ones that were still a little bit of a battle i like when it's a celebration give you flowers all that but when it's still a little bit like oh shit like all right i gotta come with i gotta dig deeper because he you know what i mean and it's still a little bit like oh shit like all right i gotta come with i gotta dig deeper because he you know what i mean and it's all about the way you play like when you play certain songs yeah so i like when it's there's a little more i mean the locks and dips that was one that was like i was like uh watching a ufc fight that's i think that's everybody's favorite at that you know in that in terms of that uh when when most artists are doing it are they planning it like like in football you

start with your first 15 plays so you know that going in do they know their first five songs call out or are they kind of just reading the room no they know their list they know yeah they know their list we advise them to know their list because you know caught off guard you're fucked yeah yeah someone takes it seriously and you don't. You can even play the wrong 20. I've seen that happen. Yeah. I'm like, why is he playing this? Why did... I saw a quote from you when you did it on stage with Kanye in way back.

It was like 07 Summer Jam or some shit. Yeah, that was technically the first verses. And he switched up and you were like, he shouldn't have, right? Like you thought there was a better... Yeah, I think somebody, um, told him to rope a dope me, but when I, cause I, I helped him pick his list and I picked his list to beat me.

Oh wow. For real. Cause you, you, you went down and took a knee. Yeah. Like you, you,

you wanted that. I just knew in that particular building, what was going to work for him even better than what I had planned for myself. And being that he was my guest, I didn't want to like, right? Like I wanted, I wanted.

Dude, that's, that's a, you know, especially in the rap world though, there's a lot of ego and a lot of that shit involved for you to be like, to take that fall.

Because imagine you invite me to your show as a guest and I, and I just destroy you, like try to just finish you. Like, damn, I thought we was cool. Yeah. So I tell him, I said, look, I said, these are the songs I'm playing. This goes with this.

This a count of this. That a count of this. That ba-ba-ba-ba. And I was like, he was like, man. And I was like, just do it. And my team was like, why are you going to do that? I said, because that's my guess. Who cares?

Smart man, though. Yeah. And my team was like, why are you going to do that? I said, because that's my guess. Who cares? Smart man, though. Yeah. Bigger picture type shit. Yeah. Did you know it was going to be what it became? Yes. Like the night you and Tim do the stream, were you like, here we go? I was like that the night of Kanye in front of 50,000 people when we did it.

I knew it. Because anything that's representing two artists celebrating each other is going to be big. Especially when you're showcasing each other's talent with 20 pieces, 20 hits. That's a big deal. What do you think it is? I'm more of a rap fan than he is. And he was asking me why I'm very critical of rap in the sense of...

See, you got your Clarks on. What are those, Clarks? Wallabies? Those are crispy. I appreciate that, bro. Hang on a second. Clarks are rap? Wallabies?

Yeah. Really? Wu-Tang? No shit. Bad Boy? What? I never owned a pair of clocks. I was more Tim's.

But. Tim's a little bit harder for a guy like me to pull off. Nah, you can pull off Tim's. You shouldn't have said that. I'm going to stop it around. Untied the whole time. Thank you. But Wu-Tang really sucked though.

Wu-Tang. And I remember the Been Around the World remix video. Puff and Mace and all of them had baby blue. And I was like, I would love to wear those. But I was like a seventh grade white boy at the time. I was like, I can't wear those. But I don't know, something like this. I appreciate that, man.

Thank you. But what I was going to say was, rap to me, I almost watch it like I watch a sport. And I have certain guys that I root for and certain guys that I almost, I don't want to say root against, but it's like, you know, in a battle I have one side and I think he won and he lost.

And then when, when, you know, I think what brought it up was Drake, where I was kind of like, I think the world wants like a classic from Drake and he's not giving it. And he was kind of like,

why do you care? Why don't you just listen to the music whatever why do you think rap is because I think it's very distinctly different from other genres where like there's really isn't battling there isn't like rankings of you know which pop girl is better than the other pop girl

where it's like this is the greatest alive this is the goats this is the way people argue like MJ and LeBron they talk about rappers yeah I can see that why do you think that is? I think because the artists made it a competitive sport. In the pop area, they're not saying they're the king or the queen of this. They're just doing their music and selling out their tours and keeping a low profile.

From a rap part, rap started with this. It started with battling. It started with expressing a rebellious expression. So that goes a long way. And just somebody being better than the other person is like in UFC. So rap has the same energy as a UFC. Do you think it's a little more of a music that you can measure in a way? Like rhymes are more clever or a better flow or, you know, like it's not a love song.

Yeah, you can kind of keep score. I can keep score of all genres. Really? I think so. Yeah, for sure. Yes. As a producer, that's my job. Right. Yeah.

Do you think rap is different or no? Like it's just as much as other genres? I think a hit song is a hit song, right? And I think the same energy that goes into a rap hit song or going to a pop or R&B or even a rock song. Do you think that, though? You think that someone writing like 36 bars of rap is the same as like a pop song?

I don't think 36 bars of rap is a hit, though. Right. I think to write eight, you know, 12, 12, eight. Two eights. An eight verse, an eight chorus, an eight verse, an eight chorus. That's a hit.

Chalk it up. Yeah. Do you think some of these rappers come in, they're trying to rap too much, and you like i don't need all that um i personally like a lot of rapping if the person can really rap right yeah yeah yeah but all right i wouldn't like this is a great point you say because look at with me and wayne did uproar that song before when I came in it was about 50 bars straight and this is how he loved the song

and he was rapping his ass off and I was like do we want to freestyle or do we want to hit record and so of course we wanted to hit record so I chopped up what the fuck though

where the love go 5, 4, 3, 2, I let one go and made that the chorus and placed it. Well done. That's some fucking producing. I don't think I realized it was like that. That was said one time in the beginning of the song,

and then it just ran like a train. And I think Wayne was upset with me for a few minutes about it, but then he realized that, and it became one of his newer biggest songs. It became his last anthem at this point right now. How nice is that when someone's a little mad and you're like, give it five minutes. You'll see. You'll see.

I told you so. How many songs have you gotten to be like, I told you, bro? Maybe 80%. The same that I own, 80%? Yeah. That's a great deal. Because, again, in the rap world, there's got to be a lot of guys puffing their chest out. I know what's right.

I know my music. I'm like, relax. Have you had a miss? Have you had one where you were like, damn, he was right? I miss a bunch of times. One that sticks out? You're like, ah, we should have kept it that way. I probably haven't missed

a bunch of times. I was being nice. I've never missed. I've never missed. I was going to say I've never missed, but not a lot. The track record

has been strong. It's pretty fucking immaculate, dude. It is. It's such a distinct sound. It was always weird. It was weird. I was like, Japanese noises or something like that.

It was such a distinct. Let's put it this way. You never put on a Swiss beat song. You're like, is that Pharrell? You know a fucking Swiss beat. Because at that time, you had to have your own identity to survive yeah you had to be who you say you are and who they thought you were yeah you know i mean like um it wasn't like now where it's like it could blend like if the most if you don't have a tag on the beat

you can mistake a lot of the i was wondering that you're there's you're on enough songs where you're either like singing a hook or you say something in the beginning, but it's not a tag that's every time jammed in your face. Would you have done that differently if you went back, like have something similar every single beat? I think my ad-libs became my identity on those tracks. But what I'm saying is Pharrell couldn't sound like Timbaland Timbaland

couldn't sound like me I couldn't sound like Dr. Dre Dr. Dre wouldn't sound like anybody right like but this is what made it special is because you had at least 10 different sounds like if you want a party anthem you come to me if you want something with a singing chorus, you go to Pharrell or Timberland. But two different dynamics. That doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, I'm a very much old man yelling at the cloud when it comes to rap music. I'm like, they don't make them like they used to. And I feel like every generation says that.

But I really feel like it was different i mean it was a golden era where like every beat every producer every album it was classic after classic after classic we didn't even know it in the moment and there are producers because i gotta clear these things up when i speak i have to think forward i'm sure right so you know like um mike will have his own sound i feel metro booman has his own sound dj mustard has his own sound, I feel. Metro Boomin has his own sound. DJ Mustard has his own sound. There are producers that have their own sound. I'm not saying.

But when we was doing it, it was like everybody had their own sound. Did you specifically, the no samples thing? That's interesting to me. You were like, I'm never going to do that on purpose? Because that was, especially in the very beginning of your era it was like you know that was it what was happening was i thought people were stealing my beats but what was happening is everybody had the same damn records i see right so bad boy was sampling a lot of the james brown records so that was like the particular sound so what i do do, I go get a bunch of vintage James Brown records,

sample those, and I got people that's picking them for placements. And then they're calling me saying, man, you know, that Puff just used that record, or this person just used that record you can't use. I'm like, yo, are they stealing my stuff? Like, what's happening? And then I just got tired of being losing placements because of samples so i said um you know what i'm gonna stop sampling and i got because they

were like first to market with it like like they just they didn't know you were working on it but they just happened to do it they just happened to do it right and they got there first so you're like fuck that i'm just gonna do it on my own yeah because then then i didn't even know that it was going to bring more revenue i just just knew that if I had a placement, it would guarantee a stick because I know nobody has these sounds. And so that's what made me do the No Sample. Oh, man. The revenue rolls and you're like, oh, wait a minute. This was really smart.

Yeah. I remember the whole thing. Yeah. Remember the first track? Yes. It sat in the shoebox for like seven months i thought it was fake no way yeah i swear how big how big was it like 750 000 no way dude and i was eating ramen noodles at the time and you had it in the shoebox yeah because you know um i used my my

grandmother raised me and they used to always send like publisher clearance and they used to always send, like, publisher clearance. They used to always send $1 million, all these things to your house, in the hood. And I remember my grandmother used to always say, don't throw them away, just put them in the shoebox. Anything that came in my house that I could check, I just always put it in the shoebox. And then I went to ASCAP because they was giving out, like,

some health care dental plan to all their producers and writers. So I took, like, two trains, a bus to get there. It was super raining. And I get there, and the lady that I see all the time was super happy to see me. She's like, hey, Swiss man, boom, you need anything to drink? I'm like, what the hell is wrong with you? Why do you treat me like this? Seriously.

And so she's like, man, how does it feel? And I was like, what the hell is wrong with you? Why you treat me like this? Seriously. And so she's like, man, how does it feel? And I was like, what you talking about? She's like, how does it feel to be rich? I'm like, you know how long it took me to get here? And she was like, no, what are you talking about? I send you checks. I know how much you have. And I was like.

Yeah, you can't lie to me. Yeah, that's how she. Yeah. I was like, then it hit me. I said, that's real? That was real? That was a real? And how long was it?

About seven months. Seven months? No way, dude. About seven months. And you're just sitting on that? Not still eating ramen noodles? No, I was broke. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. I had 2,000 To my name at the time Like it was It was No it was Went from Zero to a hundred Yeah

You know And I never had to ask Anybody for anything Since that day Ever again Yeah And what was that first song What was that

It was just It was just Different checks from A bunch of different checks There wasn't one that like No no It wasn't just like one check It was

Holy shit man It was about 750. I mean, Rough Riders was everything in the beginning at least, though, right? It was... Jay was most of it. Yeah. Because we did... But Volume 2 with Jay was, what, 98? 98.

So that's right around DMX and everything. I mean, you're already on a Jay-Z song as well. It's not like you went from totally undiscovered to DMX and Rough Riders. No, no. What was the first beat you made that things changed for you? Change, change? Rough Riders anthem.

Yeah, that was the one, yeah. Yeah, that was like, I mean, my phone, I didn't even, like, but but the thing was everybody wanted that song and i had to tell them i don't have that song no more because you can go chasing that hit and it's gonna it's gonna damage you or you mean like in the future people like give me my version of i need i need a rough rider i need a rough rider so everybody was looking for a knockoff of the rough rider anthem and i had to work hard to get them off of that to give them their own rough rider anthem right and then when i when i did two or three of those after that people was like just do what he said yeah yeah just listen baby can you explain to me

the clicking in the beginning of Rough Riders Anthem? That's Dan Lex's mouth. He was just fucking around? That wasn't anything you... He just wanted to get it over with. Yeah, I saw a clip of him saying he did not like that record.

No. He was like, this shit is lame, like simple. No way. He was like, it was ABC's elementary school rhymes.

Most of the artists don't like the hits. Yeah, I get it. And so are you there... But artists don't like the hits. Yeah, I get it. Are you there? But they don't like them from the beginning even? They just don't understand. Because DMX is used to rapping on hardcore gutter beats. Grammy dog.

Rough Riders anthem he felt was like a crossover rock beat. Because of the guitar. And he was like, Swiss, what are you doing, bro? He lost a bet. crossover rock beat because of the guitar. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. And he was like, Swiss, what are you doing, bro? Like, he lost a bet. And that's how he did the verse to Rough Riders.

No, it was really a bet? Yes, him and my Uncle D. He lost a bet playing cards. And my uncle would say, if you lose, you got to do the verses. And that's why he went in there. And if you listen to the lyrics, niggas want to try, niggas want to try,

then niggas wonder why. He's talking shit to us about this record. In the record and on the record. Wow. That's crazy. And it became a literal anthem and the same thing with Party Up

he didn't want to do Party Up yeah that was my next question he must have hated that one then right no but listen to the verses he's going grinding the finest verses

of DMX history yeah is on the biggest song we ever did I always get a kick out when I see like white people dancing to that

and it's like up in here up in here but then you listen to the lyrics it's like up in here up in here but then you listen to the lyrics it's like oh shit they do not realize what he's saying drop that song in 2023 no there's a lot was any of that stuff uh you know i got blood on my dick and i fucked a corpse and all that crazy shit were you ever like whoa hold up the reason why I didn't I wasn't alarmed by it because he had different characters right so this was like coming

from like Damien like the Damien is like this alter ego in his head that deals with the devil and then he has Earl Simmons who deals with God and religion and church so he had like these different characters that he used to play oh that's Damien oh that's earl or that's dark man x so like i just i knew that he was playing

different characters in his movie so when he's saying this i know he's you know being damien then he had changed his voice up uh which was damien as well and so um he was writing these movies in his head like horror films for real. Yeah. I remember I got Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood for like Easter. When I was like 10. It was an Easter basket. It was an Easter basket. I was like 10. Dude, she's covered in blood in the tub.

His mom's like, here you go, John. My mom's going to be happy to hear he did have a Christian side. Let me tell you, when I seen the photos, because i produced probably about 80 of that album that's the number 80 that should be your producer tag i was like i remember seeing him sitting in his tub with the blood i was like what the fuck is we doing what type of ha of Halloween shit is this is this where we going

yeah I'm gonna have to see the blood and it doesn't matter I'm like that's funny that he doesn't like the party tracks and you don't like the weird shit and to be honest you meet in the middle and it's for some pretty epic shit it was crazy I couldn't believe

he did that shot. I was like, so we're going with this. He's like, it's done. This is the cover. I said, okay. And that was,

I just remember so vividly it was like seven months apart or eight months apart from Dark as Hell and Hot to Flesh of My Flesh, both number one. First artist at that time

to ever do it. Ever do that. I mean, it was like, it was unheard of to have two albums that quickly That were good Both platinum

Plus Both number one Both number ones Yeah Same year Crazy And he's doing Ends up doing movies and everything

It's Yeah he was He burned bright He was the highest paid artist at that time doing movies With Steven Seagal and all of those guys And he really loved it You know like You look at him in Belly like artist at that time doing movies with Steven Seagal and all of those guys. And he really loved it. You know, like, you look at him in Belly, like, he took that.

Very serious. He took that like how Tupac did in Juice. You know, like, a lot of people compare X. The only thing I can compare with them is their passion for acting. Yep. Energy different, music different, thought process different. But the acting, they both had the same passion, I would say. I remember going to see Belly. I grabbed a couple of my buddies.

I'm from City Island in the Bronx. We grabbed two of my buddies and we went to Bay Plaza. No, it was Cross County in Yonkers. We were the only white kids in the movie theater. And I remember being like, I don't think we should be here. We should maybe wait for DVD on this one. I don't know. I was on a set of Belly. It was pretty cool.

I mean, that was, I mean, that soundtrack too. I met the man, Nas, D, like, I mean, those stars started to cast. Yeah, my dad did the casting for that. No shit. For Belly. My dad used to man his mace. My dad man his big L. Oh shit, so I thought your uncles were, Oh, shit. Your uncles were at the team.

Why were your uncles, right? Still are. Yeah. For life. Permanent role. Permanent job. They didn't leave me yet. I thought they were like the family that got you in.

So your father was in the industry. You're just a nepo, baby. No, no. Chris B. ain't shit, man. He's just. My uncles got me in. But my dad naturally... My dad started with Kool Herc in Cedric Avenue.

He met my mom in the rec room. Wow. So you're talking about hip-hop. Yeah, that's the birthplace of that shit, yeah. Yeah, so my dad and Kool Herc used to DJ together, and my dad was a part of that movement. His name is Mr. T, and he founded the first Latin breakdancers and all of those different things.

Wow, so this shit's really in your blood. Yeah, it runs deep. And then Rough Riders came way, way, way, way after. When my dad still had the love for the music and managing Mace and Big Al and Cassidy and all those different things. He was just having fun. Dude, that family is... Them deans! Yeah, and D&Y were more like the executive side of things.

They did the business side. They were not artists themselves right there. They were street artists. You need those people, too. They were street artists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is... Man, that is a hip-hop royalty, that family right there.

And then your family with Alicia Keys, that's quite the dynamic family right there and then you're you know your family with alicia keys is uh that's quite the dynamic duo right there too how'd you guys like the avengers yeah for real for real how'd you i met i met i met my wife um i was about 15. oh i did not realize that tr Truman High School in the Bronx. One of her best friends was in my class. She was a rapper. And she said, you got to meet my friend Ali because you're into music and she's into music. And I think you're going to be big and I think she's going to be big.

She called it. She called it. I hope she's in the industry. I thought you guys met after the fact, after your careers blew up. But so you were not dating the whole time? that no she was tougher than me at that time you know like i remember seeing her with a big bomber jacket on tim's she was baddie yeah yeah i thought she's gonna stick me up when did you when did the relationship start once you guys came back together? I never really looked at her like that. I looked at her as amazing, talent, mastermind, creative.

I just never looked at her like that. And it's crazy how it just happened. After all of those years of seeing each other, careers go, how they was going. And we would see each other and just be like, oh, what's up, man? What you got going? What you got going? And keeping it moving. I don't even, like, it just happened.

Was there a spark or something that changed it? Or eventually you guys just kind of see each other in that light? I just think the spark that changed it was that, you know, she was out of her situation, I was out of my situation, and we just started communicating on things of how we wanted to move forward. The last thing I wanted to do at that time was be in a relationship.

The last thing that she wanted to do was be in a relationship. But the universe just kept putting us back together. That's honestly when a good relationship starts, though. Two people who know what they don't want anymore. I swear. And then they're like, here's my rules. Here's my lines.

We're only doing it this way. I was ready to be the bachelor of bachelors. I'm talking about Batman. I'm talking about the penthouse. I was like, okay, we're going to get it. Because I never was a bachelor. You're the guard for it, too. You started so young, too.

It was not like, you know, you're a young kid. Was that weird? Like, I mean, you become like a super producer, and I'm sure people are on tour, there's parties, there's everything. You're 17, 18, 19 years old. It was a good-ass time. But the thing is, I'm not going to lie, like, I was so focused on my music, I never was at the parties. I never was hanging with the guys like i was on my i had my own tour bus studio built out on it and i had to deliver these albums

so thank god for that because it kept me um distracted and i made a lot of hits during those times uh being on that being on those road trips i mean what it's just it mean, there needs to be a movie. Swiss Beats movie on the whole life, man. And so, I mean, what's next? Versus became almost like a business now in and of itself, right? Did I hear you gave away equity to all the people who had been in that? Yes, I gave them ownership in Triller at the time. So Triller bought versus?

Me and Tim owned it 100% again. Wait, sorry, say that again? Me and Tim owned versus 100% again. Got it. But Triller had bought it at one point? Yes, they did. And you gave anybody who had participated in it, you gave them? Yes, they still have the equity in Triller.

Wow, but you bought it back? Yes. And so now it's like you guys, you're going to go on tour with it. You can just be whatever you want now. It's going to be bigger, better, badder, and global. Jesus. I don't think we even started. I think what people seen was the warm-up.

We didn't even know what we was doing, which was kind of the fun part. But you know what? I was going to say, yeah, we'll wrap it up. I'm sure it'll be like a spectacle. But there was something about the fact that you were in the car, and it was like the initial griminess. Even when people's internet didn't work, I kind of liked that. You know what I mean?

It was real. 50% of people like that, and 50% want to see quality. Yeah, I get that. Because Babyface and Telluride, when that – That was a little too – that was tough. That was tough. Yeah, that was tough. What is funny, when the internet works – I remember – who did Nelly?

Who was Nelly? Nuda. And I think Nelly was kind of like – I think Nelly had a couple drinks drinks. He was looking at his screen like your dad does. I can't figure this out. That cracks me up. I like watching rappers who are young and blew up. Now it's like you guys are getting older. Some people are grandpas and shit.

It's funny watching those people age. We've been shooting the Versus documentary the whole time. It's with Amazon. You knew from the jump we got to document this because it's going to be legendary. So that's going to be great. Lena Wave shot it. But Drive is coming first. Yep.

On Hulu. November 16th. Tonight. When is it? Tonight. I got the date planned and I forgot tonight is the 16th. But tonight, binge all six episodes. Love it.

What was the best? I know you went to Saudi Arabia. You went to Japan, you mentioned. You went to L.A., New York. Was it Louisiana? Did I see Louisiana in there? Not yet. Houston.

Houston. Yeah, I knew this one. What was the best culture? They were all amazing cultures. But I think you're going to say the same thing when you see it. It's Japan. Yeah, because Japan is just... Lowriders in Japan kind of blows my mind.

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