KFC Radio - CCK Podcast: Kill Floor Paper Chaser (featuring Charles Oakley)

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

Legendary New York Knick Charles Oakley joins at the top of the show to confirm his criticism of Patrick Ewing and the tension with James Dolan. Tom Arnold takes a shot at the boss, Kowloon is undergoing a transformation, and do Blake Snell's comments mean the end of baseball in 2020?You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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We're back. Another edition of CCK. We're coming off the top a little bit different today. I got Charles Oakley on the line, and since we only got an hour, I want to get right into it. So Charles Oakley joins us. What's up, Oak Tree? How you doing, man? Hey, what's going on?

How you doing? I'm good, dude. Are you aware that it is the anniversary of the PJ Brown-Charlie Ward fight game and the subsequent suspensions. It was 23 years ago today that that all went down. Well, no, it didn't. It was a bad thing. You know, it's hard, but it's like... Your phone's a little bit of a tough connection.

It's hard to hear you right now. Am I on speaker? I said... No. I said it was a tough bit of a tough connection. It's hard to hear you right now. Am I on speaker? I said, no. I said it was a tough game, tough that happened. You know, we were playing well. Yeah. You know, things happened. Do you feel if that fight doesn't happen and those suspensions don't happen,

do you think that series ends differently? Oh, no doubt. We had control of it. We still came back and won the game, but it didn't happen like that. I feel like it's been an interesting few weeks or months with you and some of the comments that have come out recently. And I know with the last dance and everyone talking about the Bulls, the Knicks, the Bulls, the

Knicks, the 90s, it's on the forefront of everyone's minds. Do you still stand by all your comments regarding Patrick Ewing, the Knicks, and how those series played out? I mean, I say what I say. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, all of us should have the same kind of answer I had. I mean, even though Michael Jordan wasn't on a high level, you know, one good thing about it, they had the same ages. It was probably bad for us as a team.

He might have taken Patrick away. It might have been what he wanted to do. I mean, I feel like it's fair to say, yes, Patrick Ewing's not Michael Jordan, but you can say that about literally every player that's ever played the game. I mean, when you look at that series,

Patrick goes for like 25 and 11. He has 33 points in that game five. Like, I really, I don't know if that's the dude to be blaming. Well, I mean, people look at the numbers. A lot of guys having 20, 30 points. Ain't no big playoff. Ain't about just getting points.

It's about being a leadership. You know, Michael Jordan, being a leader. I got guys by hand. You got to do things more than basketball, score points, rebounds, team leaders on the floor, off the floor, adversity. I don't think passing to an adversity like Michael Jordan, a little wrong, a bad thing. You can play that type of playoff.

So my thing is, for us, when you're on the team, you're trying to get something. We had toughness, but this is going to be a leader that's going to bring other things out, the team trying to get something. We had toughness, but this is going to be a leader to bring out things now, like making a cake or something.

It'll look good, but you don't put the butter and the sugar in it. It ain't going to taste good. Have you always

felt this way? Like in the moment during those games and during those series, did you feel that way or did this happen years after?

When you play with somebody with 10 years, you see things. I think I have a job to do. I mean, a lot of people feel a way to a job. A lot of people see what happens in the garden. I said stuff. Stuff was said back then.

Mason said stuff. I said stuff. Good child said stuff. A lot of guys said stuff. But they're scared to talk now. So it is what it is. Is there bad blood between you guys? Like if you saw Patrick now, would it be, would it be friendly?

Or would it be like, you know, no love? I don't know what it would be. I'm going to be me. I'm not crossing the street. I'm going to keep walking down the street. So, you know, with the time come, I mean, I ain't never been scared of no one. No, I don't, I'm not saying you're scared, but, bro, I'm 35 years old. I'm a Knicks fan.

It just breaks my heart because you guys were the last time the Knicks were good and relevant, and I always had this image of you guys being like a band of brothers, and now it feels like it's the total opposite. Well, that's because people haven't been true the whole time. I think I've been true for a while. They always ask me a question, I answer.

So if you could ask me this 10, 15 years ago, you'd get my same answer. I've been up front for everything I say. I'm standing with it. I'm not picking on no one. You know,

I played with Patrick for 10 years. I've seen a lot of weakness. I mean, it is what it is. People don't want to see how he have a 23 and 10 career. It's not about just

scoring points. I mean, we gave him the ball 25 People don't want to see how he has a 23-10 career. It's not about just scoring points. I mean, we gave him the ball 25 times a game. He should have scored. Right? So, yeah, no, I mean, yes, yes. But I also don't think you can. Turning your nose up at 25 and 12 is a bit much. I get what you're saying.

But if you look at everybody else who was in the era, King, Calvin Long, Michael, Barkley, they averaged over 25. I mean, I mean,

like I said, force is force, but they always said we never had a number one, two. I think we ain't really never had

a number one. So, you know, it's number one because it's our best, you know, number one pick in the draft and all other stuff.

I mean, yeah, it's what it is. Y'all would know what, you know, after he's torn up, that's the guy to play. I mean, start asking people about what I said. I mean, you can ask some people what they say. I mean, I don't want to lie about nothing I say, but y'all want to keep asking me questions about it, so y'all must don't believe me.

No, no, I get it. I actually really appreciate the honesty. I think it's very interesting. I like it much more than, you know, people who just give bullshit answers all the time. I just like the, so the names you listed there though, you know, Akeem and Malone and like monster names are, yes, maybe you would rather have those guys over Patrick, but would you, are you saying you'd rather have, like, like, do you think the Knicks were still a better team with Patrick Ewing on the team? No? Would you rather have not been playing with him at all?

You said that. Well, that's what I mean. That's what I'm trying to clarify, whether it was just like, yeah, he's not Michael. My thing is, I play with anybody. My thing is, when he was there, I still play the same way. My game, travel, my game, didn't change because we played. I was

the same guy. Do you think that being... He did a lot for New York, I'll say that, but it could have been a lot more. We could have been more happy with a campus here than New York. Oh, you're goddamn right. You're goddamn right, bro. I mean, how much does it hurt that

Rocket series without Jordan? When Jordan was gone and the opportunity was there, does that hurt more than the times you lost directly to him? Well, to be the champion, you've got to knock him out. I think some serious with Chicago, we could have beat Chicago. Like I said, we didn't capitalize on some strategized in-game decisions, you know,

after halftime, just in the game. I think we played one half of the court. They played the whole half. They played the whole court. And one half of the court against the Bulls, it's going to be hard to beat them because they're athletic. They want to trap you. They want to get you out of what you do best. And we fell into that trap. Into that trap a lot.

You know, six or seven times in a game. And plus, we were in the game. It wasn't like they just came in and knocked us out, like first-round knockout like Mike Tyson did right today. Right. So are you blaming, do you think, let me ask you this then. Do you think it's more Patrick's leadership or Riley and Van Gundy's coaching that was the problem?

Definitely. For his leadership, he wasn't the leader like you see what Michael went through or this and that. Was you around or you just watched the TV or did you watch things happen? You know, I mean, I don't know.

I think I was the best leader of the team. So we had to put it in the best of us. He asked the guys. I mean, he probably don't think he was the best leader of the team. We had to put it in. He asked the guys. I mean, he probably don't think he was the best leader because he made the most money. I don't consider that a leader. I'll tell you from the point of view of me as a Knicks fan, and I think a lot of people would agree with me,

that I think they would agree with that sentence, that you were more the leader. You were like the heart and soul of that team. He might have been, like you said, the number one pick and the talent, but I think I would agree with that sentence, that you were more the leader. You were like the heart and soul of that team. He might have been, like you said, the number one pick and the talent. But I think I would agree with that. Do you have any personal regrets or anything you would have done differently in those games? Or do you think you left it all out there?

There was nothing I could do. I tried my best. I wasn't running the offense, calling the plays. But when she's back in Iowa, we play. It wasn't about the jack-up shot. You mad if I'm honest with that It wasn't about to jack up shots. You mad if I'm honest with that. You still had to play structured basketball. I mean, I could have been

this, couldn't have been that. That means I'm going to come out as changed. I think we could as a team, we could have did better and made one another better. You know, move the ball more. You know, we didn't move the ball well in Chicago. If you move the ball where Chicago

put in their pick and roll make it work I mean that was good I ain't gonna cheat that's what I'm saying we was right there a couple

mistakes here and there a couple I mean hey it could have been different we don't know but we didn't win so what can I say

but being a player who I did on the floor team things that wanted to win and you know as a team that but we didn't win, so what can I say? But being a player who I dealt with a few things that wanted to win, and you know, as a team that knowing how the Bulls play, the triangle, and how the defense they're going to trap all the time.

And we just need, when the team traps, we got to move the ball and everybody knows that. You know, Cleveland started doing this, Golden State. If you could go back and change the way your career went, being a guy who played on Chicago, then on New York, do you wish you

played your whole career out in Chicago? No. I don't worry about what happened. I got traded. I live with that. I don't wish all that. I wish I could be president. I wish I could be president of a company. No, you've got to make it and do it.

So once you're there, do your best. When you trade, do your best. I mean, I have no grudge against Jerry Crowther or nobody else for the full organization because they gave me a chance to go out of my life and family and friends. I love that motivation. I love that sentiment. Also, as a Knicks fan currently, I mean, we haven't had a goddamn thing to watch

or to be happy about or excited about for over fucking 15 years. And I feel like you're the only person from the organization or from the fans' point of view that has ever just stood up and said, fuck James Dolan. I hate this ownership group. I hate the way the gardens run. And I know that it's been, you know,

drama for you, but as a Knicks fan, I would like to thank you for doing that because it more people need to, need to expose James Dolan for the fucking fraud that he is. It ain't the fraud. It's just, I mean, you do things over and over.

It doesn't happen. And you keep getting away with it. I mean, that's what we do. So I just like, you do things over and over, and it doesn't happen. And you keep getting away with it. I mean, that's what we do. So, hey, I just like, you know, respect. I give respect. I gave respect. I played for 10 years. And I didn't leave nothing on the floor.

I played with my heart. So, I mean, that's what you feel about it. That's what you feel about it. You don't like to be in control of people. Do that and do this. So, I don't know. I hope they can get together. And the New York fans, they're looking for a winner.

I talked to a lot of fans, a lot of people, and they're just waiting until they can get something, a superstar, get something going. Hopefully, Leon Rose and his group, they can come in, change things around. It's going to take a minute. I mean, I hope fans don't get all excited because we're not going to just jump from 300, you know, 22 wins to 50 wins. It's going to take three or four.

I mean, I think until Dolan is gone, I don't have any hope because I feel like he's always going to meddle in the process and always fuck them over. Well, we're going to see. This might be the last straw for us. You know, you had Fields. One of the winning coaches, this guy, won the 10-11 championship.

10-11 championship, and he couldn't change it around. Then you get a guy who's an agent on basketball or the player. We're going to see. I mean, you got to give him a chance, you know. That's what you bring someone in. I hope that their first move, second move, third move can make people say, okay, yeah, I see what they're doing.

I know the team's going in the right direction. So, first of all, you got to get some talent. You know, you can't win without talent. You know, you get some pieces, but, you know, you got to have a special piece winning these days. That's what it means. You got to have a special guy. And you had KP, you had Carmelo, and nothing changed.

So I don't see what one piece can give me an eight-round playoff. Then you have another piece that gives you triple six seed. Then you get a third piece. Now you're talking about the two or three, one seed. So it's a process. No, it's definitely a process. It's funny that you brought up leadership because I feel like that's kind of what they've lacked. You looked at a guy like Carmelo

and the numbers were there and the talent was there, but I don't think he was a leader. I don't think he was a clutch winner. I feel like that was kind of a modern problem for the team as well. Who would you be? If you could pick someone in the league right now, besides

the obvious greats, who are you building around? That's a hard thing. That's a hard thing these days. It's not leadership. These guys have been playing AAU ball, doing one another. You got to get some good chemistry. Hope the guys are good guys.

Know what made Golden State so good? Two of the best players, dads, played in the league for a long period of time. Michael Thompson and Dale Curry. And they seen basketball when basketball was tough, hard, and learning, playing, Curry playing one-on-one events in Toronto at nine, 10 years old, just getting the feeling of it. So he was brought up in a way that probably, you know, some guys, you know, had, you know, son playing in the league.

But I seen Curry, I seen Dale, I seen the whole family, Dale and I did play after know, son playing in the league, but I've seen Kerry, I've seen Dale, I've seen the whole family of Dale by their playing after practice, playing with Vince. I mean, it's just eating it up in your dad's place. You watch him, he's been an all-star game. I mean, I thought I'd get that. Now I hear that. Let me ask you one more question before I let you go.

When is the next time we think we'll see you in the Garden? Are you staying out of there? Are you going to be in the mix? Is it bad blood with Dolan forever? When are we going to see Oak Street in the Garden? I was banned twice in six months.

So a guy jogging on the street in Atlanta got shot abroad. Sometimes you just got to learn from mistakes. Some things ain't meant for some things. I love New York. I love the fans. I be out.

I do so much in the city. We don't publicize it because I've never been about publicizing. I just do it from the heart. You know, you never know. But I'm in New York, so I still love the city and the fans, and that's all I can say right now. I don't know, but I'm welcome back. You know, I know there's some stuff there in the fans, and that's all I can say right now. I don't know if I'm welcome back. You know, I know there's some stuff said in the paper that, you know,

we were open arms, hopefully. How you going to have open arms for me? And, you know, you're so disrespectful. I mean, I'm about respect. That's what my grandfather taught me. You know, he's coming up, you know, he said, yes, no, hold your head, I'll talk to a person. And I've been talked, I've been lied to.

So, I don't know. I hope that something's going to happen positive. That's all I can say. Amen, brother. I mean, I know. I ain't never going to stop going to the Garden. I know for a fact that basically 100% of fans are on your side when it comes to that feud.

So I hope things end up breaking your way. If I could do it, I would get rid of fucking Dolan in a heartbeat. Well, I blame the head man who ain't running NBA, but he got some stakes. So, you know, sometimes it means sometimes Spike Lee with more petty shit up in life. I bought a ticket or entry or land. Somebody's been coming in one way for so many years

and just blow up. I mean, you know, I don't, I might see it. I might walk up to them. You know what? Some people have flashbacks.

Anything can happen. Anything. I don't know if it's safe but I can come back in there. You know, if I do come back in there I might have to bring security because I don't think it's safe enough because look what happened then. I do come back and I might have to bring security because I don't think it's safe enough

because look what happened then. I was lied about. When you say you don't think it's safe, what do you mean? It wasn't safe. If eight guys walk up to me for no reason, how is it safe? Right. It's crazy. It's fucking unbelievable. Them guys

just walk up to me and say hello. They got aggressive. It's fucking unbelievable. And them guys just walked over there and said hello. They got aggressive. So it was sick. You know, when a hitman's trying to hit somebody, they're going to do something out there. And that's what happened. Well, I loved the skirmish, dude. I loved you speaking up about it.

And I long for the day where the garden returns to glory. Thanks for all the years, man. I just want to say a lot of people want to be mad at me because, well, you keep talking about this or keep doing this. I mean, we got cameras, we got police, we got this mess, and stuff's still happening in broad daylight, you know. So don't be mad at me. Be mad at the person who did it because they caused what happened, okay?

Don't get that message out there. I'm going to be me. I hear that. Don't ever change, Oak Tree. I appreciate it, man. All right. All right. Let's get back to business. It wasn't the best connection there with Charles.

But as a fucking lifelong Knicks fan, I had to get those questions off. So I apologize if it was hard to hear some of his answers but I thought I thought uh his comments about Ewing were bullshit but then I mean as you kind of break down what he was actually saying it's like yeah no fucking kidding he's not Michael Jordan but who is I mean in my mind I don't think those comments are necessary because it's like yeah there's a lot of guys who lost to Jordan you don't all have to like pile on but it's also interesting. It's like I said about Carmelo. There are players who are kind of glitz and glamour and will put up numbers.

And then there are guys like Charles Oakley who take it a step further and are fucking crazy about it. And if he's telling me that Patrick Ewing didn't kind of have that championship medal, I mean, I got to believe him. It breaks my heart. I never even knew this. I thought that that team was pretty gritty and a band of brothers and always laid it all on the floor. They always kind of had one fatal mistake or they didn't have enough

talent, but I didn't think there was ever a problem with effort or leadership. It kind of fucking sucks to hear that there really might have been, but who am I to tell him what's real and what's not? So you heard it straight from the horse's mouth there. Pretty interesting shit, though. We got Casey back as Rocket joining us. I'm not sure if he's there or not, but I don't know if you could hear much of what he was saying. But what do you think is. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of tough to hear.

But when I could like I told it's one of those things where from like the outside looking in, you think have a perspective of what's going on and not only do you think you have a perspective you want to believe certain things right it's not even just with sports teams it's with anything like I want to watch a tv show and think the whole cast got along but then when you're in the inside of it it's probably completely different right more than not and so you know it's the same thing with like the patriots when we talk about like what exactly went on behind closed doors for tom brady to leave and whose fault was it and what does robert craft say to bill belichick like those are answers that you will never get unless somebody speaks out just like he just did with you right just like i mean nobody will ever everybody will just believe what they want to believe until somebody just tells the truth and that's the thing is that

if it's the truth like i don't think those comments are necessary but if he's like if he's like someone asked me a question i answered it honestly i'm like well what can you you know like we you can't you can't have it both ways like like what i probably would have said was hey man like you know uh we were a great team we just like could never get over the hump like you could give me a canned answer like that but i also that would be disingenuous of me because I talk shit about people who aren't honest. So, you know, you can't have it both ways. And if he's we also don't want you just don't want apathy either. Like that's the thing.

Like I always say that with, you know, like and Dave is a great example of that. Like he like nobody's going to sit and be like, well, Dave Portnoy's comments were just kind of meh. It's going to go one or the one way or the other. So like a canned answer from an athlete is the same way. Like, it's like when Richard Sherman went off on Aaron Andrews in that sideline interview and everyone was like, oh my God, he's such an asshole. It's like, no, like she wants that. Like, because we're talking about it still years later. So if like an athlete, it's like, yeah, you know what? Everything was fine. Like winning would have been great, but like, it is what it is. You're like, like well what really was going on because you're an adult you know that everything's not sunshine and rainbows where you work so obviously it's not where they work either

i'd rather hear it even if i disagree with the comment even if i think it's unnecessary or they even come off as an asshole i'd rather that 10 out of 10 than some bullshit coach speak answer yeah i guess the thing for me is that it's just like i personally don't like it so i'm like no don't say right exactly but like if you're a non-nyx that it's just like I personally don't like it. So I'm like, no, don't say it. But if you're a non-Knicks fan, it's like, well, that's interesting to hear. Patrick Ewing didn't have it. And I think Patrick is kind of too much of a basketball. He's still in the game, and I don't expect him to respond at all.

But maybe that's kind of the point. Maybe the fact that Patrick is the type of guy that I don't expect to even respond to this. Maybe that's what Charles Oakley is talking about. Maybe we needed a guy to be like, fuck off, dude, you know, and maybe that would have been different. What was interesting when he said early on when you were talking to him was like a lot of people were saying stuff behind closed doors. They're just not saying it now or however he said that he was like people have been talking they're just not talking anymore and i'm like well then i would rather even like again like i know it's it's hard to to compare teams on teams but like if it was happening in a&m football you know team way later down the road and somebody came out and was like listen

this is exactly what was going on like if kyler murray now being in the league is like you want to know why i transferred from a&m like let me tell you why and even if it looked bad on a.m i would rather know that somebody was saying it behind closed doors and is willing to say it publicly like i even if i don't want to hear it i uh as as we transition here you mentioned dave and his comments and right now, him being embroiled in a battle with Tom Arnold, of all people, is fucking spectacular. Now, Dave went super viral yesterday with his press conference about opening the economy and COVID-19. And when did flattening the curve turn into finding the cure? And Tom Arnold says back to Dave, who is we and who is you asshole fuck put on your big boy panties motherfucker brave barstool sports employees tell iowa meat packing plant workers to

suck it up buck off give me two minutes with you on the floor paper wait give me two minutes with you on the kill floor paper chase i don't even know what the fuck that means yeah i don't either i i read it multiple times and i thought i was maybe having a stroke chase i don't even know what the fuck that means yeah i don't either i i read it multiple times and i thought i was maybe having a stroke because i couldn't figure out what he was trying to say and then i was like am i just stupid am i am i just not understanding something i i have no idea what that guy all i know is that he didn't like what dave had to say that's the only takeaway i can i feel like a t-shirt saying kill floor paper chase is is in the in the works i don't even know what it means but

i love it i can't get enough i feel like maybe could this potentially be that like we're old and we don't know the slang or is he just casey do you think tom arnold knows the slang that we don't no i don't think that's the case but that's what i felt like when i was when i was reading it i was like damn like am i my mom right now and have no idea what lit means or am i just it's tom arnold losing it i feel like i'm gonna open up tiktok and there's gonna be a chorus saying like kill floor paper chase somebody's like oh shit i guess tom arnold's cool beat us to it i i will say like i obviously and dave says it off the top of that emergency press conference it's like you know anytime i speak out about coronavirus like people fucking hate me or

people agree with me so like let's see where this lands. I, and again, like obviously at Barstool, we all look for reasons to argue and we try not to get into politics. And I don't even think that was a political rant. His metaphor of being like, okay, if you're on a flight from New York to LA and they tell you it's six hours and when they get to five and a half hours, they say, never mind. There are 10 hours left. Like, that's not what you can do. That to me was just like, you can think we still need to stay shut down or you can think we don't need to stay shut down. You can't argue with that logic because that is what it feels like to me.

Yeah. But also, I also I don't think you can hold anybody like nobody knows the answer. Well, no. you can hold anybody like nobody knows the answer well no and i tells you right but that is what it feels like down till may and and then we'll see and may rolls around and he's like yo we're gonna get hit with the second wave i i mean it's like that's the problem kevin is that they said flatten the curve though they didn't and again like maybe we didn't understand but like even when we were still in the office you know keith was walking around like we need to flatten the curve like kind of you know just like repeating the

vocabulary that had been said over and over. And like the whole idea to flatten the curve, at least from what I understood. Now, listen, I don't have an opinion that I necessarily like feel comfortable sharing, like exactly what I think needs to happen. Cause I don't understand everything that's going on. I don't have the answer, but from what I was told at the beginning and what I believed was that flattening the curve meant we needed to make room for beds in hospitals. We needed to make sure our health care system didn't get overrun. All of the things that they said at the beginning. And if that was the point of flattening the curve, then that's what's happening. Now, that doesn't mean it's safe. That doesn't mean we should reopen the economy and just go full steam ahead because I don't know

those answers. But that is what they said. Right. They said flatten the curve to not overwhelm the health care system. But also, if they're telling you like the second you open things up the curve ramps back up what what do you but there's but they're saying but they're but that's not happened where places have started to open up right again like i know new york is completely that's the problem is that everybody is such a different circumstance. Like, right. Like my, my entire life is New York. Everyone I know, everyone I love everywhere I've ever lived has been New York. So I don't really cook fucking care about anybody else.

I'll just flat out say that. And my experience in New York has been, I know people who have died. I have family who works in hospitals. The stories I have heard have been entire families getting wiped out. Like in one week, a mother, a father, a son have been entire families getting wiped out. In one week, a mother, a father, a son, and a daughter, boom, gone. An entire

bloodline killed. My experience of this has been very, very different from the vast majority of the country. I understand that. I don't expect them to feel the same way I do. I also understand that we're talking about when Dave says people who worked their entire lives to build businesses and now they're they're going

on i get it i have no answer for you i personally don't feel comfortable rallying to open things up when i right with the stories i just heard a matter of weeks ago if you're telling me there's any chance in my hometown and my home city that it will just go right back to that the same way it was a couple weeks ago, I want no fucking part of that. And if other people want to say, hey, that's natural selection or that's the way it goes, good on you. That's not me. I will not be the one here saying we got to get back to things when I know all the stories I just heard about, like families dying.

But that's also the very rare situation here in America. It's very rare, though, because because I mean, yes, it's definitely in the minority because there's not you know, not everybody has dealt with like I don't know anybody who has died from the virus. I know people who have gotten it. I know people who had no symptoms, who had symptoms. You know, I'm going to go get the antibody test because I'm convinced I probably had it at some point just living in New York City. But at the same time, I feel like right now in America, at least, and I do not pretend to understand politics. I will never be somebody that will speak on what I believe politically because I know I'm not smart enough. It does feel so politicized here, whereas like you're seeing things like Italy, you know, when it first, when everything first started happening, like I thought Italy

might never recover. Like when we talk about like the serious soccer, like not playing in front of fans and how weird that was, like that's all reopening now. And so to me, it's like, okay, you're going to have a governor in Florida versus a governor in, you know, in California or mayor in LA, like immediately it feels like it's political because I've not been personally affected by it. But that also doesn't mean that I'm ready to just run out. We talked about this earlier this week. If the gym opened up right now across the street from me,

I wouldn't go to it. But I do feel like there are people that are like, then let people make that decision. If you don't feel safe, if you don't feel like you should go out there, you still want to fly on the curve, then you have the option to not leave. You don't have to leave your apartment. You don't have safe, if you don't feel like you should go out there, you still want to flatten the curve, then you have the option to not leave. Like you don't have to leave your apartment.

You don't have to leave your house. But there are enough people who want to. And again, whether it's natural selection, whether it's stupid, whether it's correct, like I don't have that answer. But I feel like at this point, like they're going to have to do something because the fact that L.A. is talking about not even opening for three more months, but Arizona is saying sports can start back on June 15th, that becomes a problem. Right.

When it's not like equitable. I mean, like then you're going to see people shift. Like Joe Rogan was like, I'm going to move to Texas. And I'm sure there are people who are going to want to move from LA to South Beach because South Beach is open. And like, there are professional teams that could move. Like, yeah. Did you see that with like the governor in Florida who, by the way, again, like I don't know anything about his political beliefs and I don't care to talk about

it. But one of the things that happened was when all the beaches reopened in Florida, everyone was like, oh, they're such fucking idiots. Like they're going to get hit like New York. And thus far, it hasn't happened. Now I understand numbers might be skewed. We don't we might not know the whole truth. But then the guy, the governor in Florida is like, OK, well, sports teams want want to come here, then we'll let them like, they're like, you guys can practice at the university of Florida. You can practice at Florida state. You can play in the stadiums. Like that's going to start fucking over much bigger picture things. And I'm not saying that's more important than human life whatsoever, but there are people out there that would, that would disagree with that. And that's the problem right now is that there's definitely,

there's definitely a debate about, you know, uh uh is the cure worse than the the disease and is the economy being shut down worse than losing old people uh by the way like nobody like i you and i can both agree like i don't think that if somebody says like we don't care if we lose people like they either are just saying that for the effect or they're just bad people like no one that i know wants people to die right like nobody it's not like oh like i'm okay with old people dying like absolutely not i do not want anyone to die from anything let alone the coronavirus right and i mean that's why there's no easy answer i my thing is just like people speak on politics without really being informed right and you and you can get away with it because you have basic understanding of economy. You have basic understanding of social issues.

And you think you can speak on it. The thought that anybody thinks they can speak on the science behind this, that bothers me. Because it's like, when you say the phrase, it's not rocket surgery, it's not brain surgery, it's not you know when you when you say the phrase like it's not rocket surgery it's not brain surgery it's not rocket science like you're you're usually admitting like hey this is not that hard of a topic to talk about this is like when people are when people are yelling at fauci it's like yo the dude is a scientist he just tells you the fucking facts about the disease if you don't like what he's saying fine i know dave thinks he he's like in bed with the crooks and all that shit. I feel like it's just like, yo,

I'm telling you, I studied this shit for a living. I've done AIDS. I've done Ebola. I've done SARS. I've done swine flu. We're doing coronavirus. Here's what's going to happen.

Here's what's probably going to happen. We've done this. We're readjusting. I think this is going to happen. If we do this, here's what's going to happen. If we do that, here's what's going to happen.

He doesn't have that much of an agenda to happen. If we do this, here's what's going to happen. If we do that, here's what's going to happen. He doesn't have that much of an agenda to even push. It's like I just don't understand where people think they're smarter than a guy like that. So I don't know if it's necessarily for me. Yes. Like for me, it's like it goes back to Marty and I actually talked about this on the brain busting morning pick me up thing that I do with him. He was like, why do we listen to NASA? Like, why do we listen to NASA? Like,

why do we just trust what NASA says? And I'm like, well, because I don't fucking know anything about space or science. And so I believe that the people who are at the top of their field are telling me the truth. I think that's the same thing here, obviously in a much different way.

Cause we're not talking about going to the moon. We're talking about a virus that we can actually see the impact of it, but it's like, well, and there's the rocket, but, but, but that's the thing. It's like, so you can say

you've never been to the moon, but you're trusting that a scientist and somebody at NASA who knows way more than you is telling you the truth. There are going to be people that are listening to Dr. Fauci and being like, okay, you're telling me this, but that doesn't mean that I believe exactly what you're saying. For me, if somebody's smarter than me in their topic, like I'm going to listen to them. Like I'm going to listen to Jared about baseball. I'm going to listen to Dr. Fauci about this because I don't know shit about it. But there are plenty of people just like you guys with NASA who are saying it never happened. Right.

So it's like, you know, Marty says a lot of weird shit. But like his whole point about I don't even know if it was him. I think it was him about how like we went to the moon and then we went one time or just like, ah, we're good. Like, why haven't we gone back if we actually went there? These are the questions that keep me up at night rocket. Some would say, some would say that we found there's just absolutely nothing there and no reason to go back. Others might argue that there's something deeper. Yeah. I mean, like we have way better technology now than the first time that we quote unquote went to the moon. Like what? I feel like that's something that we should revisit at some point.

Also, side note, a thought that I had when we were talking about like a vaccine for coronavirus. Can we can we figure out a cure for the common cold? Like, I know it's not killing anybody, but it fucking sucks. Like there's got to be a pill you can pop when you when you get like a fucking common cold that lasts seven to 10 days. It's the most miserable seven to 10 days. You're not going to die, but you feel like you're going to die. Can we fucking find a cure, please? Apparently not rocket.

That's the problem. And that's why we still can't take it. We still can't take a pill for the hangover. Like, how have we not cured hangovers yet? I thought they had. I thought in Japan, I they like came up with like a pill that cures hangovers yeah they come up with these pills you can buy it like duane reed but like those are they're basically just like a bunch of just shit that makes you think that you feel

better like how have we not put something in alcohol like put something in my bottle of vodka that's not going to make me hungover how have we not done that yet no i found the hangovers the hangover is a necessary evil if there was no hangover the world would spin out of control because you would have nothing true keeping you in check you would drink everybody that at that ati question that we did last week or maybe it was this week i can't remember where it was like what would you do like would you rather never drink in your team win a championship always drink and never gain weight like obviously like winning a championship is a big one,

but if you can't drink to celebrate it, plus who wants to watch football for me and not have a beer or something? Easy answer, no hangover, because then you won't gain as much weight because you won't feel like shit in the morning. You'll go to the gym and work out. If I just wake up normal after a bender,

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But they say that social distancing is going to have to be in place. And if you've ever been over to the beach during the Jersey Shore peak months, it's fucking nobody six feet apart. You know, I mean, people. Did they ever build that back up after the hurricane? Oh, yeah. Big time. Like it's it's it does it.

Is it better than what it was before? Is it like still a work in progress? No, I think it's it's it does it is it better than what it was before? Is it like still a work in progress? No, I think it's pretty solid. I don't think I mean. I'm trying to think if there's anything that was like completely wiped out, but I feel like they're pretty much back to back to cooking. So, I mean, if shit like that's going on, it's hard. It's going to be hard where it's like, well, I can go to the beach, but I can't go to this person's restaurant, or I can go here, but I can't go there. But that just kind of might be the new norm

where it's like, well, certain places are okay, certain things are not, and that's just how it's going to be. You see what's going on at Kowloon, Kevin? No, what's happening? Oh, this is big news, Kevin. Oh, baby. Kevin, you might have to take the kids, come on down to Saugus, because Kowloon, what they're doing is they have a gigantic parking lot, obviously because so many people come to Kowloon, that they're turning this massive parking lot into a drive-in movie theater.

Wow. Oh, baby. So you can socially distance in your car yeah early uh early in quarantine somebody said that i want to say it was like tom segura some comedian i follow was like driving driving theaters are going to come back in a big way because like it's the most social distancing thing ever and what would be better i mean how bad how bad have you ever wanted to bang a chick in a car at a drive-in movie rocket i feel like we missed out on that whole experience done that kevin i mean at a drive in not a drive-in movie but like uh at a buffalo wild wings yeah but the movie is the part where

it's like i want to be like watching a movie and you like put your arm around the headrest like the scenes in greece yeah like when you watch greece like what what was going on back then right yeah it was game seven of the 2016 world series the cubs were about to make history and i was in a buffalo wild wings parking lot and it wasn't a drive-in movie but like when you listen to baseball on the radio you can picture the green grass and the crack of the bat you can picture the whole thing next thing you know hand job city and job city as as the wild wings as the game was ending as the like what part of the game were you in um it was before the rain delay so like i i got to like see the final out but uh it was like the later innings

we were in a buffalo wild wings parking lot and uh you get your little hand job and then uh the rain delay happened and i was like all right well i guess i'll go home now got to see the final it was a glorious night it was a history making night kevin and wasn't that not also the the vengeful hand job yeah it was uh it was the last of uh the trifecta so to speak right where rocket avenged his uh best friend cheating and fucking just killed a whole bloodline it It was unbelievable. The whole bloodline. It was unreal. I mean, it took me I don't know, like 10 years or so. Eight years. But, you know, once

you complete the deed, it's like I feel accomplished. I don't even think she knows. It doesn't matter. You know. It doesn't matter. I know. And that's all that matters. Honestly, people say, like, what's the best way to get over a breakup or whatever? Like, just do that. Just, like, fuck everybody. Yeah. I mean, mean it's very fulfilling put that on a billboard kevin that'll speak to the youth that will speak to the youth rockets for the kids just go

speak to the kids now tell them how to avoid hangovers what do you do well i mean you you just told them uh you think about the kids you know know, every time that I'm like, he's trying to say, don't drink Casey, Casey, let me, I mean, it's not that simple when you're out at a bar. Obviously it's like, you have to be 21 to get in, but the kids are going to be waiting outside when you get out of that bar. So do I want the smell of alcohol in my breath? No. Uh, the next morning when, when obviously I probably wake up early and volunteer my time at like a local little league field and you know, we run practices and obviously they practices and obviously they they're they want to learn how to throw the fastball and you teach them different pitch grips and stuff do you want to be hung over

for that no so the answer to the question to avoid hangovers it's the kids it's not just abstaining from drinking alcohol it's thinking about today's youth which Which Casey, you just don't do enough. You really don't. No, I guess not. I guess not. You know, I always just go back to this. Like, I'm sure the kids listening to Jared on radio really inspires them to grow up and be great. If the alcohol in his breath, it would inspire them to not be great. Then who am I to say?

But I will say not drinking is not the answer to a hangover. Like, that's the lamest answer ever. Yeah. Well, that's, that's perfectly said by someone who doesn't care about the kids. Did you see the video that I posted on Instagram, Kevin?

There was a, there was a lovely mother filming her, her, her child son saying, uh, Oh, what are you watching? And he said,

Jared Kawabis, Kawabis, Kawabis. And I was like, fucking kids, better pronunciation than Dave's ever had in the, I don't know, nine,

10 years. I've known him. I mean, uh, listen, you can't fight with that. You can't argue for the kids. Can't fight city hall.

Can you argue with Blake Snell's comments? No, you really can't. I think the only thing that you could kind of make a case is like, uh, he said he was like risking his life to go back to play baseball. And in some cases, like he may not be risk.

He, he's not risking it. No, no, no, let's call it a spit. He is not risking his life. He's not even really risking himself getting sick.

If he wants to tell me I have older people in my family, I have kids. I don't want to that's fine but don't tell me that you are putting your life risking his health yes because like there are like when he was talking about you know it stays for you for with you forever like it's like mononucleosis or something but like if you like contract the virus and you damage your lungs as a professional athlete that sticks with you for life but you're not but that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen we don't know that but we do like that i think we can pretty much say

if you're a peak if you are a young athlete in your prime peak physical condition you probably will not even know it what do you mean we don't know that the nba like half the nba got it and they didn't feel anything they said they could go play a seven game series what do you mean we don't know that everybody's different you can't say i mean that is true that is not an exact science like i've seen like plenty of people have gotten this disease this virus and like their symptoms and how they felt when they've had it like it all varies like it's not you're right it's not like like you get it and it's just like oh this is what happens this is what you can look out for like i know people that have gotten it and felt nothing. I know people that are like, oh yeah,

your taste and your, your smell, it goes. And like, you feel like you have a fever, then people have died. And then people like, it totally varies. So like, that's why I'm a professional athlete. It does, but they can get the flu and the same thing happens. Like I'm not, first of all, I'm not comparing the coronavirus and the flu, but, but people can die from the flu too. So if we haven't seen anything yet, and again, I understand how serious coronavirus is. I'm not comparing it to the flu right now, but what I'm saying is like, if there's no standard that if a professional athlete is going to fuck up their lungs, like we don't, that hasn't happened yet. It just hasn't happened yet.

So it's like, the coronavirus doesn't know your professional athlete. It's like, it's not like neither does the flu, neither does cancer, neither does any of those things, though. Those things aren't comparable. We're talking about one singular disease, and we're talking about people that have contracted it all having different reactions to it, different symptoms, different variances of damage.

Right. But you don't have to compare it. If the guy doesn't feel comfortable, the guy doesn't feel comfortable. No no i'm not no he's totally entitled to that i think the problem is entitled to that you're gonna i don't think you can paint with a broad stroke when it's like your demographic your age and your body type is like almost 100 going to be okay i don't I just don't like he overplayed his hands. If he had just stopped at you're asking me to go out there.

It's more hazardous for less pay. And, and we, the millionaires are taking the loss instead of the billionaires. Fuck that. I'm okay with it, but don't tell me you're going to risk your life and it's long-term damage and all that shit.

Cause it's probably very, very extremely, probably not, but it's not a 100% guarantee. No, and it's long-term damage and all that shit, because it's probably very, very extremely probably not. But it's not a 100% guarantee. No, and it's not, but you can't. But nothing is. That's fine. It's not 100%, but that cannot be like a major building block of your argument then.

Because the argument then will be like, okay, well, prove to me why you're risking your life. And what does he say next? Prove to me why you think if you play baseball, you're risking your life. what does he say next because prove to me why you think if you play baseball you're you're risking your life you're risking your health absolutely you could be risking other people's lives who are more susceptible to the virus yes but that would be my next argument if i was trying to argue with him i'd be like okay what's the proof that your life is at risk i think that they're like we know that people with underlying health conditions

if they were to get the virus, they are at a higher risk. Underlying health conditions. If he has if he has an underlying health condition, then he should say that if he's going to use that as an argument. And there are players in Major League Baseball that do have those things. So it's not just about like Blake Snell. It's about as a as a brotherhood of. Right. Yeah.

Like there are definitely players like that have come back from cancer that it's like all right we're we're more at risk than everyone else and of course uh i i understand the concerns and i understand why people like if they do come back and i think i said this yesterday if major league baseball decides to come back i would not be surprised at all if you had certain players just straight up bow out be like hey i'm i can't and that would be their right to do this like that that could that would be totally their prerogative kevin and i talked about this earlier certain players just straight up bow out, be like, Hey, I'm, I can't do this. Like that, that could, that would be totally their prerogative. Kevin and I talked about this earlier this week. Like if they don't want, if you don't want to play, then don't, it's kind of like if, if like this, all the states reopen, say New York opens up. And if you're like, you know

what? I don't feel safe. You don't have to go out of your apartment. You don't have to leave. Like that's the whole, you have, everybody has the, their prerogative and can do whatever they want. And if he thinks his life is at risk, that's but i agree with kevin and just like you're overplaying your hand by saying you're risking your life like there is no proof that if you go out and play baseball that you're going to die what would you say rocket is the uh consensus among players agreeing or disagreeing with him uh i would say most players are agreeing with him maybe like because i think too many people are are sticking i mean it was like a two and a half minute clip and people are sticking to the oh risking your life part of it but everything else that he's saying like obviously

players are going to agree when you have a situation where players agreed to prorated pay which you're you're getting paid for what getting paid for the games that you're actually playing. And then you have a situation where owners are saying, well, if we field these teams and we'll get the TV money, but we're still going to take a loss even with the TV money, because if there's no fans and everything like that, then you're not going to be profiting off of actually bringing back baseball. So owners are essentially saying, OK, so we'll we'll agree to a prorated rate. But then you also have to take like a 33 percent cut on top of that. And then Blake Snell is talking about like taxes and stuff, which I mean, everyone gets taxed. That's not

like an unfair situation. But yeah, I think if you're going to have players come back and play, then they should be paid the the rate, the prorated rate of of what they originally signed for. Because the other counterpoint that I had was, you know, if you have a monster first half of the season, you then can't go to your team and be like, well, I'm actually worth more. So can we can we talk about paying me more? So how can you talk about paying a player less when you already agreed to the contract? Um, it just doesn't, it shouldn't work that way. So I think regardless of if there's fans, which there's not going to be, if there's no fans, if you're an owner, if you're a business owner, if you're a team owner, that's one of the risks that come, that comes along with it. You agreed to pay this player X in a contractually obligated deal. So therefore, that's what you have to pay them. That's that's the rate that you have to pay them.

And I know that there's people right now like we've talked to other people that in their jobs that they've had to take pay cuts in order to keep their job. Well, Major League Baseball, like that's what I don't like is when people try to equate their real life jobs to these professional athletes. It's like there's a lot of jealousy over. Well, they're getting paid millions to play a game. And it's like, well, you just need to accept the fact that someone was exceptionally better at what they do versus what you do. That's why they get paid what they do. And in the fact that Major League Baseball brings in billions annually, it's like, yes, they get paid millions of dollars to play a game, but the money that it generates, they're getting their cut of the money that's being generated. Like, of course, like the skill of being able to throw and hit a ball, the stick

is not worth $30 million a year, but that's, that's what it generates. And that's based on what they're worth. That's just classic. That's economics 101. So I won't listen to that argument. Like, well, they're getting paid millions to play a game. So shut up and get back out there. Like that, that doesn't resonate with me whatsoever. No, I feel like the majority of people are coming around on that and that you're still going to get like some hillbillies in middle America who are like, do it for America and be heroes and don't worry about the money.

But I feel like anybody who has ever worked a day in their life is like, I wouldn't work for less money. So why should these guys? Yeah. But I also think you're never going to be able to reconcile the guy who says, well, you know, there's a grocery store worker out there doing it for $10 an hour and

you won't do it for a couple million. It's just, that's never gonna compute in their mind. And so why even have this argument? But, um, I think most people, I mean,

anytime. Yeah, I agree. I mean, anytime, yeah, I agree. I mean, it's just the smart thing to do. It's like when I make the argument about, you know, college football players getting these scholarships and they should get paid and you've got the idiots coming up like, well, my daughter has to pay for college.

Like my son has to pay for college. It's like, yeah, your son wasn't fucking good enough to get a football scholarship. I'm sorry. Like you, I mean, that's just the way that it is. And I think like what Blake Snell's comments were at the core of it makes sense to me. If he would have just left that one part out, I think that the reaction would be much different because if I was in a position where I just didn't want to play for less money and I totally

understand that, I would just say, listen, I don't want to go out and play for less money than I was promised. And that's, I wouldn't blog for less money than I was promised. If I all of a sudden got blindsided, you know what I mean? Like anybody could agree with that. It's just once you take that step to make it a little bit more than what he probably meant. I also think they need to play the card of like,

I would major league baseball owners are fucking scumbags. And if you give them an inch during pandemic, who's to say they don't take a mile fucking 10 years from now, you can't agree with the new cba is coming up now too like right it does set a bad precedent the new cba is coming out the the threat of a of another like strike or a lockout is looming and this is the first time in a long time where players have some serious leverage here right adam jones uh adam jones is now in japan obviously one of the most respected veterans in major league baseball for a long time.

And he was tweeting about it being like, Hey guys, like, you know, I'm, I'm not going to call anyone out individually, but there's a lot of big name players right now that should be stepping up and saying what everyone else is thinking. Cause everyone's thinking it like, this is your time to vocalize that you have some leverage here. You can fight back and, and the owners can only push back so much because they want to make money too. They because they want to make money too they don't want to lose money and and this is one of those times in baseball history and sports

history where players can sort of be like hey uh we agreed to this now you're going to follow through with it and if you don't we'll just fucking not play and like that's happened before and it can happen again i mean it's it's there's no easy answer. I cannot imagine any answer. Even anybody figures this out. I don't know how people tweet about serious topics every day because my my Blake Snell tweet has the last time I checked it had like twelve hundred replies. And the people that tweet about like politics and just like serious world topics on a daily basis like i'm just not even looking at my phone like it's just a bunch of people that

are angry about everything so i'm like all right well it's a baseball topic so i commented on it but the people that have been talking about like the politics behind like the coronavirus and like everything in between like businesses and getting back to the real world i don't know how those people do that every day i think they just probably don't read their notifications i think they love it that's what i would do i think the people who do that love to stir it up love to argue love to just scream into the abyss and uh it's it's i mean everything's politicized now that's the problem you know it's not just baseball you're talking about it's not just uh like you know going that you're talking about. It's not just like, you know, going out you're talking about anymore. It's all political.

It's all financial. It's all economical. And it's a fucking nightmare. Just pray for the meteor to hit. The sooner the meteor hits, the sooner we all get this sweet, sweet release of death. And we can all just move on to whatever's beyond this shitty fucking life we call Earth. That's it for us. The Chicago boys are up next.

Big thanks to Charles Oakley for coming on earlier. And we'll be back tomorrow, same time, same place, for a Friday edition of CCK. Stay home, stay safe, stay hot. I'll see you next time.