KFC Radio - Chief on the Vibe of the Barstool Chicago After Changes to the Chicago Crew - Inside Barstool

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

Timecodes: 0:00 Start 00:38 New Chicago Office 12:29 Nicky Smokes 18:54 You can learn anything on the internet these days 29:32 How to exxplain to people you're a blogger 37:46 Meeting haters in person 43:27 Getting in fights 58:36 White Sox Dave and his top moments 01:11:08 Chicago vibe after split 01:20:09 Pulling a prank on Hank ++++++++++++++++++++++ HelloFresh: Go to https://HelloFresh.com/50kfc and use code 50kfc for 50% off plus free shipping! BetterHelp: Visit https://BetterHelp.com/KFC today to get 10% off your first month. Straight Talk Learn More at http://www.straighttalk.com/mulitline?utm_medium=BAC&utm_campaign=AW&utm_content=EVRGRN&utm_term=GNRC-%epid!_%ecid!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. And then they had an agreement where they would punch each other in the stomach and take a shot after every round until somebody puked. And then Dave lost. Dave puked. And then they were friends after that. This is like, it's just like a construction zone because now everybody's here, and I guess the new office isn't going to be ready until, who knows, mid-October. So it was supposed to be.

Bro, what? I've been hearing about this for 18 months, and it's not ready? I will say this is a Chicago thing, probably not a barstool thing. I don't know if you've heard of this. We had this big fire like a hundred years ago. Now like they take construction and all regulations like very seriously. The whole city burned down. So like there's all these like old laws, like you can't have,

like there's, if you're going to like build a house, you're like, oh, it'd be nice to have a fire pit. They're like, you have to have this fire pit in this location. Otherwise, and it's this type of fire. if you're gonna like build a house you're like oh it'd be nice to have a fire pit they're like you have to have this fire pit in this location otherwise and it's this type of fire otherwise you're out so one little fire in the whole city because in the sg that happens again boston drowning maple syrup we still let everyone have all the maple syrup they want yeah so wait so you're telling me everybody's in your office now so like our big studio right the ones that you see us where you do all the shows uh that's been like i don't know it's like under plastic bags or paint everywhere stefan's been like working non-stop uh like getting other capabilities for live streams to come out of there i don't know

what's going on uh so that's wait that's separate from the new shit yeah so like we have that new office that's being built on like the west side of town okay i didn't know that you guys were keeping your thing i thought it was all gonna go into there yeah well they have to because everybody moved here and it was like it'd only be a couple weeks where we overlap and now it's like when pete was here for i think it was the barstool the the corn ferry thing he's like yeah we actually extended the lease on this to the end of the year i'm like what are you not saying what you're not telling us that's not a good indication, Mr. September 15th. So we'll see. I will say this.

For a company that overall is wildly incompetent just in every facet, construction-wise, when it was the churning office, the new office, new studios, et cetera, et cetera, when they tell me a date, they usually nail it. i'm always like yeah fucking right that's six weeks away that's one week away whatever it is and they usually nail it so maybe it is the chicago difference i don't know but uh i know there was also like some pipe that was running underneath the basketball court that they like that failed an inspection of some kind and it's like well we'll see you in 2024 i was gonna say uh the fantasy factory is you know it might be a real fantasy yeah well kevin do you see what's

happening is everybody works from home there is no office anywhere what do you say do you see what's happening in new york today kevin i did not in the office yeah what bro i actually i i'd like to see you uh go to it's my go i i quote tweeted jack mac um i don't know who would be the easier way to find it me or jack mac okay oh that's not great I perhaps spoke too soon what is even going on there? No one knows. They didn't tell anybody anything.

It looks like they're rebuilding desks for whatever fucking reason that is. So they took everything and put it in the middle of the room. I mean, well, this is probably because of the outlets. I would imagine so. I think people would have liked maybe a heads up that straight. This is going to happen sort of thing. Yeah. Wow.

That is the new office. I would say HQ2 was far and away the most successful new office we ever had. Yes. Like, like it was still, we were still such pieces of shit that we were excited for that, you know? And it was like still kind of a small group. So we was like, this is cool.

Is there's a bar, there's enough space two studios were good and then within like 35 seconds it was like get me out of this fucking closet dude i still and i i think this is i i said it about when we built a new office which no one beats a dead horse like barstool sports we've talked about new offices for two years now um but the what do you think we do more talk about new offices or two years now. What do you think we do more? Talk about new offices or celebrate anniversaries? Every month, my 13th month anniversary, my 14th month anniversary,

my 15th month anniversary of Arsenal Sports. I think it's dead horses, man. I think it's dead horses. I think we need to shut them. But let me get in my licks real quick. I got one too I said it when we had the quote unquote new office in New York that is now being destroyed already

that like all you can do is make cool shit because I still remember like you're saying within 35 seconds we were like ah fuck this place I still love HQ yeah I shouldn't say that I just meant we outgrew it right away

but yes that is so true whatever you're making in that spot is what makes it good or not I still have nothing but fond memories for HQ2. I do not have them yet for HQ3. I had fond memories up until a certain point, and then it turns out. But before that, it was all good. It was just like – because you know what it was?

It was still – and I'm interested to hear where you think, what you think on this, Chief, because Chicago is still like, it's almost like Chicago is like Ghosts of Christmas Past for Barstool because you guys still are like a small group that kind of keeps it real and keeps it Barstool. But everybody got like, you know, fucking entitled and like expectations were high and all sorts of shit going into that first studio i mean very quickly every celebrity that came through was

like this fucking studio sucks and i remember nardini saying to me that she was like looking through the glass watching me record and she was like you are just like beaming like you're so happy to have your own place and it was a white four white walls with a strip of noise canceling uh insulation and that was it and i was like because at that point i was either recording in like my kids nursery or rented space in hell's kitchen or a basement in my mom's house and all that shit so it was like this is amazing then you know you get to that, and all of a sudden it's like, I want my studio to look like this, and I want to have this painting and this statue and these, you know, features and all that.

So, you know, everybody got too cocky about it. But I feel like you guys, the Chicago office that you guys are in now, not the new, new one, but the one that you're talking about now, I think has HQ2 vibes. Yeah, I think so. that you guys are in now, not the new, new one, but the one that you're talking about now, I think has HQ2 vibes. Yeah, I think so. And I think that HQ, real quick on HQ2, that was a hard thing for me to say for some reason,

but I was working my old job and I had like a customer out there. So I went and did my meeting and then I'm like, I don't want to sit in a Starbucks. So I just like texted Dan, like, can I just come in and use the wifi and work? And I think that office had been open for maybe a Starbucks. So I just like texted Dan, like, can I just come in and use the wifi and work? And I think that office had been open for maybe a month and Riggs like got up to go to the bathroom and I just walked in and stole his seat. It was the only seat available. And it was like after a month. So like that place was never big enough from the word go. And then, yeah, like this office,

like I have no complaints about this office. I think's you know served it served us well i remember when we had the shared space like that famous portnoy video where he's like what are you doing like we're a billion dollar company and what are you doing yeah yeah that one the room that he walked into i remember like because we just had the smaller room in the way back and ed was like we should get that space too and i was like that's too expensive it's like another 400 a month like they'll never go forward like don't ask for that like i thought that was like too much to ask like we could all just work in this eight by eight room and it'll be fine like shut up and uh so yeah so now like when we walked into this place, I was like, oh, shit, we got furniture? Well, I think that right there, what you just said might be the delineation, like the line that I can tell if you're like a real one or not, from Barstool's point of view.

If you worry about spending the company's money, you're probably from the old era. Like, I probably respect you. If you're like, oh, $400 a month, they might fire us. We might lose our job over that. You're probably an early day guy. Well, that and then the company I was working for immediately before we went full-time went bankrupt.

So I was always going to lose. That too. I don't need to eat food food today i was a lot skinnier back then that's another thing too though is you know most people were like signing now or like they've never had another job or never had any other sort of life so if you have a previous life and you and you actually uh probably to a fault worry about money then uh you know i i feel like chief and the chicago guys are like um it's funny because now you guys are like og guys you know like i mean you were pretty early when did you sign up well 2012 then you fired me and then i came back and then i came back uh like april of 13 but it was it was super part-time like i do like a like

i during the hockey playoffs when the hawks were great i would probably write every day but then the rest of the year it might be like i don't know once or twice a week something like that so that's that's a full that's what you're talking about is a full-time job now. Well, yeah, true. I feel like, you know, you're not like a – once enough time goes by, you kind of get grandfathered in as – you're not like original six, but you're like the Predators. You were an expansion team, but now you're like fully entrenched in the league.

Well, Kevin, that's great news because my contract's up November 1st and no one said it. Thanks for your time. Well, let me tell you this. You'll probably work without one until like January 1st because I don't think this company realizes that people's contracts expire and you have to sign them to new ones. I should just go on strike.

Just do the Kostant do the work and just get paid for doing nothing. Let me tell you something. When that whole union thing went down and we were all laughing about it and Dave was kind of like, why the fuck would these

people need a union? They've got the cushiest job. And like 99% of the way he's correct that like 80% of the company gets paid for free, like to not do anything. Why would you ever want to unionize and fight back? But I do remember there's a couple of times where like we're talking about contracts and money and profits and all that shit. And I was like, man, I wish that we could come together and kind of negotiate this all at once as one team. Yeah, that's what he means.

I heard Nicky Smokes talking about that earlier. Uh-huh. We got to find you. This fucking guy, he's the bane of my existence man people think he smokes is well every time i come in they go did you see did you see nick's video i'm like i'm thinking of my nick there's like 50 nicks and the last one on the list in my life is nicky smokes i thought he was nicky what i called the other day? Nicky Sweets. I was calling him Nicky Sweets. He makes videos responding to our segment we did the other day talking about his salary. I'm like, I can't even.

He did, Tars? Yes. Apparently, he. That's his full-time job is responding to Kevin. Yeah. What did we say? We were saying how, like, he's, you know, fell ass backwards into a $100,000 salary.

And we were saying how it was more like we were talking about the company. I was like, I do not begrudge this guy at all for taking this contract. But it's bullshit that there are guys who worked here for like 10 years before they got to that level. And while he has every right to absolutely take the contract maybe just do one or two things to like ingratiate yourself to the guys who made it literally possible for you to just drop like a hundred thousand dollars out of the sky into your pocket and um i didn't listen to it with the sound on i i he was like filming so far i don't think we overstepped yet but i've made a mistake with that before so i mean he he posted it like uh kfc's talking about my contract again and i didn't listen to what he i didn't have the sound on i guess he was talking over it but i um i was like yeah well you know don't worry in six more

months no one will talk about your contract ever again dude so we'll oh you said that yeah yeah oh all right. Now I think Nicky Smokes has fair beef. Yeah. Well, now, yeah. Well, now it's on. But before that, let's see what we're talking about here. But he, so he's in Chicago too?

Yeah, he's. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing, he was doing that completely fake segment on your show the other day where he pretended not to know anybody. He, I was astounded. But he keeps that going, like, off camera, too. Like, he just – I'm like, I had to ask him if he knew who Leonardo DiCaprio was because I was, like, not sure.

Did you see that, Fights? No. He was like – he didn't know – he said he didn't know who Blake Lively was, Nicole Kidman, like like a bunch of other, like. If you don't play for the dolphins, he's never heard of you like that. He's also,

he has called me beast every day. He's like, Oh, what's up beast. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm barstool beast. Like, I don't think he knows anything.

This is an act, right? I don't. Well, like you have is an act, right? I don't. Well, like you have to be. We were talking about this on our show the other day. Like if it's like a satirical Miami guy, like we were like, what is satire? Like nobody really knows. That was like a Feidelberg thing.

But it was like the only person who I think actually does it is probably PFT. If this kid is like some sneaky comedic genius and he's doing method acting of how to be like a Miami douchebag, then get me. Many more contracts. Maybe we're underpaying. I feel like we do that a lot with new employees. And I finally come to terms with just the fact that people are weird, man. Like, I feel like every time there's a new employee of our school, who's like a little eccentric, we're always like, they're faking it.

They're putting it on. They're doing something different. And I think Marty was the one where I was like, nah, he's just wrong a lot. I think, like, if Frank Fleming told me he's never heard of Blake Lively, I'd be like, that's entirely possible like right you know for up until recently was like living in that basement getting pieces slid through the window while he does nothing but watch Mets baseball I it just from from the outside looking in like judging a book by its cover he doesn't seem like a guy who would be you know like i don't know

who the most famous actresses in the world are but yeah and i like with that done i can't do the celebrity mashup but i'll like recognize their faces or if somebody says their name i'll be like oh yeah but like i just like i have kind of like a pop culture blind spot for celebrities. I thought until I met Nikki smokes, this guy, dude, my, the most embarrassing thing about me is I'm good at celebrity mashup. Like,

like there are times I don't want to get it right. I'm like, Oh fuck. That's, you know, that's Drew Barrymore and, and John hammer. What? I'm like, damn it. I got another one. It's like all the questions I can answer on the dozen. fuck, that's Drew Barrymore and Jon Hamm or whatever.

I'm like, damn it, I got another one. It's like all the questions I can answer on The Dozen are the same things that all the girls are good at. Fuck. That's like we had to go get Kelly Keegs. I'm like, this is the only thing that we're missing is somebody couldn't do all the music without having to call somebody because Dave has a guy that he does. Dave thinks like he's the best music guy in the world,

but we just use his lifeline. He's like, oh, another point for Dave. A music podcaster. He's got to know everything, right? That was the Henry Ford, right? Was it Henry Ford who like had that famous thing where he was like, you come in, I can get you the answer. I can't answer it, but I'll get you the answer to any question you want.

And he's like, you ask a question, you just make a phone call. Yeah, I got it. I nailed it. And if you can do that, Henry Ford got pretty rich, pretty famous doing that. If Dave can do that, then i tip my cap to him i never had heard that story but i always i had like a big time imposter syndrome in my my last job and in this job too but especially in the last job where people would ask me these questions like like i don't know like engineering thing but i don't fucking know give me 24 hours and i'll get back to you and i'll have somebody like like write this as detailed as you can so an idiot could read it and then I would just call them back the next day with an answer.

So I always... That's a skill in and of itself though. Like that is a little bit snake it till you make it and a little bit like I will just find the person or the thing or the whatever you need to get this shit done. I mean, if you

want, you can do anything in the world at this point and just watch YouTube and learn how to do it. Like, I think I could fix a car, maybe build a car. I could, I could fucking, maybe us getting,

building a boat to sail across the sea. John is not that far. It's just about whether you're willing to do it because it's like there's entire, entire college curriculums basically on you know youtube you just have to fucking sit there and go through it but you can do it all it's just a matter of i would just need all the videos to be like six minutes or less yeah 12 12 minutes to learn how to build a car sorry it's funny you say that because i there was a there was a period of time where one minute man was like you know well longer than one minute and then uh

now it's like never over 90 seconds so that it can fit on instagram reels but when it was a bigger story or more details i would you know go for five six minutes and yet every single time i myself would open up a video if it was five or six minutes i'd be like jesus fucking christ i don't got time for this like give me one or two minutes and that's it but when i make them i was like i gotta fit this other minute in and i need this segment and how could i forget about that so make it nine minutes long i will say though with, I remember those longer ones, obviously too. There was something about, there was some magic that you're doing with like the editing or the cadence or

something. It was like, it was almost like it felt like five more minute videos in one. Like I never, I don't know. It wasn't like, all right, swipe this out. You know, that's kind of what it, what the, you know, it's, it's, it was early TikTok days where, you know,'s that yeah it's kind of what it what the you know it's it's it was early uh tiktok days where you know we were still we weren't on tiktok and doing long we were doing longer videos but it was always a jump cut and me changing my voice or changing the topic that i'm talking about so it was always just like oh i gotta i gotta know this part i gotta know that part and i gotta you

know keep it going now it's like man i don't know i i i almost think we've come all the way back around that long form stuff is almost getting to be appreciated more because some of this like micro content is is like boy i'm almost starting to get nervous like geez we are getting like collectively stupid here by watching all this shit it is like i think there's kind of a place for everything in a way like you know i'll listen to like a three-hour podcast like not all at once but if i'm over the course of a day like if it's like an interesting guest or pod you know guest subject whatever i'll walk the dog with it in i'll make dinner with it in i'll you know like and i'll just over the course of maybe two days like i'll finish the

the three hours on doing all like the other mundane things i have to do i just have headphones in and i feel like i'd probably do that more than actually never mind i fall into tick tock vortexes all the time or it's like oh you'll be sitting there watching a baseball game it's all of a sudden it's like the seventh inning you're like i saw nothing except for those time holes man like they they just go the only thing i found worse is video games now i started playing video games again in my later years i'm like six hours go by like that i'm like oh my god i'm one of those fucking guys it's those are the ones i never fell into i i thought i was getting like on that path where i was to get shorter and shorter and shorter. I never got shorter than TV. I don't watch 10-minute videos.

Not that that's too long. It's just that I almost think that's too short. I watch a TV show is the short. I've never done a TikTok hole. I've never opened Instagram Reels. I've watched a Reel on my feed.

You're fucking amazing you you we make sure when you inevitably kill yourself you know straight to the chest junior seo style so we can study that brain because it feels like nobody is immune to it but i think you are whatever john has he's the cure like we need to like study his blood and mass produce it so that we can get off of this shit because it's part like it's part i'm not interested in it like if someone shows me someone sends me a tiktok it's a pain in my goddamn ass because i don't have the app so i'll have to open it and fucking whatever but i'll watch it but i i'm not like I gotta see more of these what do you do on your phone

what do I do on my phone are you on twitter I scroll instagram stories I don't watch them but I just tap through them and then I'll do I never scroll like the grid on instagram

like that I don't do that I do Twitter a good amount and then I guess not much I guess What are you doing with your day? I do a dozen I do the New York Times mini

I do Blingo and that's about 40 minutes to start my day and then uh that's about it so you're you're more likely to do 24 hours of fast and furious than a 90 second reel i guess i just like i don't know it is. I almost like instinctively joined the conversation there. I was like, Oh yeah, definitely me too. But as I think about it, like not, I don't really do the short cut. If I, if someone sends me a YouTube and it's six minutes long, I'm like, Oh, but I'm not doing the shorter stuff. I basically just watch TV and movies.

Am I mistaken or do you read books too? I feel like you do. I read, I go through phases read i go through phases i go through phases of like i'll read a i'll read i'm i'm i'm reading books right now um but then i'll probably read 10 to 15 books a year oh i feel like that's top one percent in that's so fucking many you don't read 15 books a year you lie 15 is probably high but i a month huh yeah one a month's probably high but i i hit 10 at least okay i'll do it we won't belabor the point but i'm throwing the challenge flag i'm on so i guess it depends on on on annual per i'm on a pace right now of like i'm probably on my fourth fifth book this summer but summer i read a little more yeah it's it's a very i think 10's a fair number i i've done a bunch of like audiobooks we've been

doing that like the last couple years too and i feel like this is so like stupid in vain but i feel like i want to buy the hardcover books just to like have them on a shelf so when people come over like yeah yeah one one of the uh what i think one of like life's great not mysteries but like uh something like that's like a commonality throughout. For whatever reason, owning a book, maybe because you feel smarter, maybe because you like the cover art, but

whatever it is, almost everybody in the world would say they like that better than a Kindle or an audiobook. 100%. It is, you know i i consume them like you do but if you ask me like do i like the way a book is like absolutely i don't know why there's something because it's it shouldn't necessarily be something like everybody agrees on but there's

just something it makes me think that like reading will just never disappear no matter how advanced we get because it's just like something about it in the human mind you just want your book i i i have some old soul stuff about me i guess if i don't do tiktok and i would never consider reading an ebook yeah i've never had a i've never had an ipad or anything yeah or i wouldn't do an audiobook either if i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it, I'm going to do it. I would definitely listen to it, but I would never, like, you know, you click the screen to turn the page.

Like, that's, I mean, bajillions of people do it, so I can't be like, that's so weird. But to me, that's like... If you have to click something to turn the page, you might as well just have the real... I did, I went to somebody's house one time you have to click something to turn the page, you might as well just have the real page. I went to somebody's house one time, and

they just had these stacks of books on their mantle, and you opened them up, and it was blank pages. They were just decorative books, but they were different sizes, and it was like... That's your sign way too hard. Nothing in there.

Wait, were they like titles? Like they had like a title? No, they were just like... They looked like a hardcover book without like the paper jacket. And then you would just open it up. I'm like, is this like a journal? And they're like, no, it's just like

an aesthetic decoration. I'm like, why wouldn't you just... I was like, I started to ask a question. I'm like like never mind i personally have to thank hello fresh because without hello fresh my esteemed colleague and co-host john feidelberg would probably be dead by now he's been on his own a drifter a grifter and he probably would never eat if it wasn't for hello fresh it's the only meals he eats and not only does it keep him alive it actually it gets him to be up and awake and healthy and happy well not happy let's be honest you're not even hello fresh could change that

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And I love Sam Talens book. And then Cormac McCarthy just died and was considered like the last great American writer so I was like fuck it might as well go with Blood Meridian I'm like 50 pages in I couldn't tell you shit that's happened it's it's crazy but I'm gonna push through because he has one of the when he died they were interviewing uh they were like you know quotes coming out from wives and a couple of his ex-wives and stuff like that and one of the dopest quotes i've ever read was that he was the last real writer because his second ex-wife this is he i think he'd already written blood meridian um he wrote like no country for old men he wrote a bunch of and uh the book not the movie um and uh they say he's the last real he was the last real writer we ever had because his wife i forget after what

hit book it was but it was after one of his hit books and she was like we lived in a shed on a farm we had to bathe in a river and we ate cans of beans because we were so poor and schools would call like colleges would call and offer to pay ten thousand dollars for him to come talk about x book for an hour and he would reply anything i had to say about the book i said in the book he would just continue living for i was like that's gangster that's a fucking artist right there man i can't i was about to say before you told that story and i and i think chief is a good person to have on for this discussion i do think there's something gangster about being one of one of those writers like yes you know uh i mean obviously like a hemingway or you know jd salander

or something but even like hunter s thompson and those guys who like they're all a little crazy. They're all like addicts and abusive and wild and weird. I will say that might be that might be my line. Literally like a caveman when you could just, you know, live normal by just talking about, you know, the book you love, the book you wrote. Anything I had to say about the book, I said in the book you love, the book you wrote. Anything I had to say about the book, I said in the book. The line is eating beans for a meal.

That's it. If you are eating beans like a hobo under a bridge, I'm not going that far. Even to draw comparisons is silly because we were never like writers. Blogging is its own unique thing that I do think is a talent and I do think deserves some respect. But I would never compare it to like writing great novels and shit like that.

But I liked myself better when I was like, I'm a writer. You know, even like even when, you know, when when I was single and you're messing around with chicks, tell a girl you're a writer versus I'm a podcaster or I'm an influencer or whatever. No, I write. It was always like, oh, you write. That is true.

I don't know what I ever said. We always talk about that, that there is the most difficult part of working at Barstool for as long as we have has been just describing what we do in different ways like you got to use some kind of word and i i think i'd always be like i kind of like you're saying like i wouldn't i would never say i'm a writer but i was like i write like stuff on it i wouldn't say articles but i didn't want to say blogs either so i'm like i write things on the internet like this guy doesn't know i'm in media i'm like i'm in media yeah that's a catch-all yeah i mean that's that's how you know i what i what i think is really cool uh for all of us is

when you know we're on our deathbed we uh we were like are still but definitely were in the infancy of all this shit, you know? And that's basically the evidence you need right there when you're doing something and there's not a name for it yet, but you're just like, nobody's really just like, like coined the phrase for what I do. That's how, you know, you're, you're, uh, either very early on or you're just being an asshole by, by not saying what you are but like you know when you look at you know all this shit like we were early early early you know like podcasting blogging even if there's a couple people that predate you it's just a couple people like that's it you know

you kind of just you guys for us it's kind of just you guys that predate us yeah you know to me it's like uh bill simmons was kind of blogging and first joe rogan kevin smith bobby kelly uh the nerdist guys what tyler durden tyler durden was my yeah yeah yeah well that was yeah that was blogging for sure delisted uh um mark maron but you know so i'm up to like 10 10 people and i'm already like there's i'm sure there's a few more but when you can list individually all the people uh that that's it that's done it before you you know you're very very early on so i think that's cool that's a cool thing to like be a part of um it is weird like when you're

dating this is like a couple years ago like you meet a girl's parents for the first time and they're like what do you do it's like oh like how do i explain this to a 60 year old like that like and they're like so you don't have a job i'm like no no i pay taxes i get paid like but i i definitely am self-supporting all that but they their thing is like you're on twitter you just don't you don't have a job yeah it's funny that that's like flipped in a way now where it's like for the most part in recent years has gotten like, you know, famous really Barstool and Dave and everything eats a fund.

Like everybody knows Barstool one way or another. It's almost like I expect people to know now, which is something, you know, like I almost am like, there'll be times where if I'm meeting somebody for the first time, if I'm in a weird scenario, I'm awkward because I'm like, they know who I am and they know what Barstool is, but I don't know them. And like, what do I say?

What do I do? So, and I might be wrong. Maybe that's narcissistic. Maybe they don't know. More often than not, I feel like they do know, but that's a long cry from when it used to be like, nobody's going to even be able to understand when I explain it, let alone you already know it on your own like nobody's going to even be able to understand when i explain it

let alone you already already know it on your own it's worse now it's way worse now what do you mean people knowing like like that experience because then because back then it was like it's at least kind of interesting where you're like we can have a conversation about this and i can explain to you and you'll walk away either like that guy doesn't have a job or that dude's gonna die or like that dude's never gonna have any money or blah blah blah but like you'll i mean there was a time where you're like this is fucking gonna die um and it's like i work in a fucking dent repurposed dentist office and i go on a tour and drink at a blackout tour. Like that.

Yeah. But now I'm now I'm like almost reluctant to even say it, not because I'm embarrassed or anything like that, but just like everyone's going to have an opinion. And it's either going to be you're you're right now. Like if someone's like, where do you do? You're like, I'm either going to say something that you're going to love so much it's going to annoy me or you're going to hate so much you're like if someone's like where do you do you're like i'm either gonna say something that you're gonna love so much it's gonna annoy me or you're gonna hate so much it's gonna annoy me and i don't feel like fucking doing that very true how much do you guys run into the they hate it so much because i i don't i haven't really experienced that too much i would say again i could count it on maybe one hand there there i mean i feel like i've um

i haven't had like any any conversations about it there's definitely been like a guy comes up to me i can tell his girlfriend doesn't care for it but she just kind of ignores it stays you know just doesn't talk to me and then leaves i i i'm trying to think if i had like an incident where people were like oh barstool like fuck you because that's someone throw a drink on you before so that was the one no they didn't what happened was it was before our show a couple years back in um in, Gramercy Theater. Yes, Gramercy Theater. And that,

so a girl came up to me at the bar pre-show and was like, are you that Barstool guy? And I said yes. And as we started to talk, I realized she thought I was Dave. I think she started talking about pizza

and all this other shit. And I don't remember her being particularly nasty about it, but she was a little bit like aggressive and combative kind of. And I was like, oh, you think I'm Dave. I'm not him. I'm the other guy. And then she kind of like said, oh, okay, and walked away. And I didn't realize it, but everybody I was with was like,

that girl had her drink cocked, ready to go. It was awesome. It was actually where I learned I was not going to take a bullet for Kevin. I was like, this is fucking awesome. I wouldn't even take a vodka soda for you. It was like the hand went from here to here. Even the way she was holding a glass, she had her hand on top at first when when you're having a conversation and that rotated like everything's like the tank

cannon right in the face i had my phone out i was ready i mean that's where i learned about myself that i apparently have no instincts or like, uh, combats, combat survival instincts. Cause I, I was like, what are you guys talking about?

I was like, yeah, weird and like not nice. And everyone was like, that chick was about to spit on your face, throw a drink at you and kick you in the dick. I was just like, Oh,

she was a little weird, but that was the only, the only time I can think of. And then there was one time just randomly, I was walking in the streets i think i just got on a date with this chick and uh some drunk girl like pinballing her way down the block couldn't even stand up uh and it was in the like smack in the middle of tabloid days for me and she was just screaming about that stuff like right right down fifth avenue and i

wanted to like kind of first of all i'm on a date with this chick and she knows the deal but it's also like don't love being fucking publicly you know humiliated but um i wanted to be like excuse me miss you are in no position right now to be throwing stones like yeah i'll take it from anybody but not from someone who's so blind drunk they can't stand up like their friends were carrying her and they were like i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i was like you're not allowed to not right now sober up and then you can talk shit to me like i can right now and you'll be in the new york post like that's how it's right yeah but uh yeah i mean you

know it's it's people always say, if I ever catch you in public, and I always am like, if you catch me in public, you're probably going to buy me a beer, to be honest. That's usually what happens is people say, can I buy you a beer? So unless you're really crazy or really tough, you're probably not going to do anything good. Have you heard the White Sox Dave response to that, what he does to people who say that to him?

No. Well, he's had two instances and they are the first one he was with he was at some south side bar the white socks and this guy was like I don't like you and Dave's like well then I don't like you either and then they had an agreement where they would punch each other in the stomach and take a shot after every round until somebody puked and then dave lost dave puked and then they were friends after that but he traded gut punches yeah this was like a year or two or two years ago probably he'd trade yes i thought you were gonna say like this is like 2010 nope it was he was fully full i think it was probably on his second contract with Barstool. And fully, probably 2021.

It was like maybe the first real baseball season after COVID. And then he was just like, yep, I lost that one. I puked outside the bar. I think I'd heard of this, but not in such detail. I knew he had some kind of tussle or something like that. I don't think it was a gut punch. It was like, all right, your turn. And

he, how many rounds did they go? I think like maybe six rounds, something like five rounds, six rounds of just gut punch, J-Mo, gut punch. You know what? I'll say this though. Like that guy deep down actually doesn't hate him as much as, you know what I'll say this though like that guy deep down actually doesn't hate him as

much as you know what i mean like if you you you don't do that with someone who you like actually that's like i disagree with your fucking baseball opinions and and i think that you know i think i'm funnier than you and i should have your job sort of shit but not like i you know dislike you as a person because if you do some like all right let's man up and go i you know dislike you as a person because if you do some like all right let's man up and go then you know what imagine as a matter of fact he's probably identical to white socks well that's what it must have been like i'm looking in the mirror because how many people on planet earth would agree to do something like that it's probably two guys and they found each other so remarkable remarkable. Yeah. To think that, that like,

like the, the, the, the, the, the probability of those two guys crossing paths in that exact moment and being like, let's, and was it his idea?

Dave's idea. I don't, I don't remember that either, but I know like they hung out like the rest of the night, like just chopping it up, having a good time. That's the kind of thing where like, they should be like best friends now.

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first month that's better help help.com slash kfc you got to give it to dave uh i would imagine the guy was probably a little bit bigger than him dave's not like a huge dude so i feel like dave gets a lot of shit dave's a good guy. Dave is the best. I hate him. I love Dave. You meet him through Barstool? Yeah. The first night I met him, we had a watch party for that,

the 17 seconds, like the game six. We had some Barstool watch party for Bruins, Blackhawks, Stanley Cup. That was the first night I met him. What was your initial impression of him? You know, like that night, he was a little bit quiet, like nice, talkative. But I was like, I don't know, I was very on edge. It was game six of the Stanley Cup final. But he was fun and he was fine.

I didn't know he was how he is until like the, you know, and he's like a very different guy. This is 10 years ago. Right. So he was probably 24, but like, Is he that different though? He, he has, I would say as someone who, yeah, I'd say he's grown, like he's matured quite a bit, you know,

in a lot of ways, and in other ways not at all you know you would think a 30 you must have been 33 at the time of the gut punch off you would think you might have grown out of that but no i cannot even tell you how far down on the list of things i would do the gut punch shot trade-off is like i would do all sorts i would have a regular ass bare knuckle brawl i would i would get in the ring i would do a million other things before i do let you punch me while we also choke down shots to be doing that at age 33 is fucking insane at all at the same time like pretty kind of cool like that's some weird it's awesome it's like brett thompson and ernest hemingway probably did that sitting in weird

you know yeah and it's just like it was like it's like a modern day duel like they do yeah yeah so i love that story his other one is that he will hold his hands underneath the table and like if someone's really giving him shit then i'll let you hit me as hard as you can and then it's on like so that like that's the other thing he says and he's i've seen him do that and he is not joking it's not what i that's the one i've heard yeah that's a fucking baller line yeah you can hit me as hard as you can but i'm hitting back yeah And has anybody ever done it? No.

I've seen him issue that challenge, but they didn't take him up on it. But I've seen it in person. It's kind of one of those things. I've been in one fight my whole life when I was in eighth grade. Everything else has been scuffleuffle pushing at the bar and like if you are if you are calm cool and collected as that's happening you can do shit like that like 99 100 of the time no one's gonna punch you in the face but you gotta be willing to do that and like keep cool and not be you know jittery and like and like you know what i mean and

if you could just stay calm in those moments you probably can issue all sorts of challenges and ultimatums and ultimately the person is going to back down and you'll look at the time you say that though and someone fucking knocks you out before you finish your sentence leaves you sleeping potatoes but but you know what i don't i can't speak for dave i don't know how many fights he's been in i would imagine once once you have been punched in the face a decent amount and you know you can take a punch like if it's like if i brace myself right now i'll be able to just eat this and and then fight back judging on the guy's size and all that shit once you know like i can do that you're probably like

all right let's what's the worst that can happen i mean the fucking velcro wall took him out harder than the block i yeah not all punches are created equal and i but he does just have like even when i look at him he just has like one of those faces and one of those heads where it's just like if i don't know if you guys were Simpsons fans, but it was like the whole, like there's an episode where Homer was a boxer and he like, could not be knocked out. Like,

so, and I feel like, I feel like Dave, I feel like Dave could take a pump. Yeah. He's got like a bucket head. It's like a, yeah.

And he is like, and I've seen him, you know, like he, I think he's, and there was that, there was that line to your point. It was like, you know, the name is Sonny Liston, the that there was that line to your point it was like

remember you know the name sunny listen the guy who fought like muhammad ali and it was like the only thing sunny listen was afraid of was a crazy person and muhammad ali like made himself seem like insane so sunny list was like i don't want nothing to do with this guy and he likes right down like kind of easy it's it's much more of a head game than anything now i mean maybe for all i know maybe the next guy who ever takes dave up on that would just knock him out and put him in his mashed potatoes like you said but my the best thing i've ever seen was a guy who did exactly that i think i told the story on on case the radio recently it was one guy at fordham who he used to i mean he he had a career of fighting at fordham like we were like, he's 27 and one with like 24 knockouts.

Like we just, he fought that often. He fought that often that we would talk about like this fight and that fight, the way you talk about like MMA fights, you know, Oh, that was McGregor Poirier too. We'd be like, it was him versus him for the third time. He just always fought and always won. And so he was just like, this is just what I do. So he was never frazzled.

He was never nervous. And he was talking shit to some guy. And he's like, dude, I'll knock you out in two seconds. And they keep talking shit across the street from each other. And then eventually they cross and they come into each other. And the guy goes, I thought you said you'd knock me out in two and he just dropped him. He couldn't even finish the sentence. I thought you said you were gonna

bam and the guy just hit the ground and we were like that's what he does. The coolest. It's so stupid and it's not cool but I was also like if I could do that shit I would go fight every day of my life. I would pick a fight every single day if I could do that shit i would go fight every day of my life i would pick a fight

every single day if i could do that that area i don't know i've been lucky the the uh you know what that's what guys who can knock people out say oh i've been lucky i mean literally i've thrown like five punches i just get lucky the uh if you've thrown five punches and basically knock five dudes out you're not lucky. No, it's more than five. The University of Miami fight ended up with a lot more. But those stories, they always get like any fight story. And any story really gets exaggerated.

But there's one. I think it was the day I was born. This is actually wild that my dad was out at a bar the night I was born, but he was out at a bar. It's a different time. Now it's like, you want to be at the head or the foot? Nah, I'm at the bar fighting. Let me know when he's ready to play catch.

He was out at the bar. I think it was the night I was born. It might have been the night my sister was born. And he's, like, smoking a cigar, sipping a beer, celebrating his kid. And there's this fight at this bar. And my uncle was like, he's like, John, you're not. Like, they were trying to pick a fight with my dad. And my uncle's like, you're not fighting the night you had.

It must have been me. Because he's like, you're not fighting the night you had. It must've been me. Cause he's like, did you not fight the night you had your first kid? And it spills out into the parking lot. And my uncle's like trying to like break it up and all that. And then my dad's buddy who had just been drafted. Yeah. Cause my dad was like 21, 22 when he had me, had just been drafted by the Seattle Mariners was yelling at two guys he goes I got

two fists you'll each get one and and they they kept shot they kept chirping chirping chirping and the guy just walked up and went once two and hit him with a right and a left and knocked them both out and they just laughed like that's kind of awesome I would trade now this is stupid because part of having that story is that you're one of those guys that could do that so i would i would give up a significant sum of money to have a story like that and have it be true like if i just throw down a stack of cash and actually one two a couple guys i would i would i would pay more than i should for that like fuck yeah i did that that to me is because there's just such a like there's a very small portion of the population that gets in fights and then an even smaller portion that

wins and having a story like that is i think it changes your whole life legit like if i one-two'd some guys from that moment on it would be like before bc and ad my whole life would be different after that because i because i because i know that i could do that to somebody oh my god i had that happen to me fairly recently let's call it six years not even six years ago it's actually really emasculating now that I tell it. But I was at a wedding in Gloucester, Mass. And like we were talking about earlier, we're like, I ran into somebody who does not like Barstool.

And like, we were at a bar. It was a reception dinner. And then we all went to a bar afterwards. And this dude was just following me around all night, chirping, chirping, chirping, chirping, chirping. And I was just ignoring it, hanging out with my friends, all this stuff. And then we're in the parking lot later and we're getting into like the bus to go back home, whatever. And the guy's still yelling from across the parking lot.

Like, I don't know if he's saying fuck Barstool or fuck me, but he just didn't like either me or what I do. And my buddy, my buddy big dude, just hands me his blazer and goes, I'll be right back. And went and just fucking smoked him, came back. And I was like, that was really nice, but what the fuck, man? I was

choosing not to fight. I can fight if I want. I could have fought him. That's like Peaky Blinders shit. Yo, what I'm that's like peaky blinder shit yo what i'm learning here is if you're ever about to go fight say or do something cool before the blazer if you just knock somebody out that's one thing taking the blazer off and saying i'll be right back and putting it that's what makes a fight awesome. I went through like a fight

phase, but like you said, your buddy is like 27 and one. I did not have a winning card. I remember I was down at Illinois State and my girlfriend at the time was going there and she was in the sorority with this kid I went to high school with and we were

friends in high school and he was like meathead, like middle linebacker football team, good guy. But like that night, we were we were friends in high school and he was he was like meathead like middle linebacker football team good guy but like that night we're both at the same dance and he like he we were sitting in the back of like one of those vans that take you and he kept just like punching me in the arm like hard and it fucking it hurt and i'm like joe like you better fucking stop as like a as like a playful thing like i'm gonna but it was like he was too drunk and i'm like joe like you better fucking stop as like a as like a playful thing like i'm gonna but it was like he was too drunk and i was like that's like enough like it's not fucking funny like it hurts and i and i said like if you do it again like we're gonna have a problem

and so we get out of the out of the van and he punches me in the arm so then we had a fight and i lost that one bad but it's like i had kind of like drawn a line in the sand i thought that would be enough to get him to stop it wasn't so that like i had like a contract with myself where i'm like i can't let this keep happening it got a lot worse i didn't i didn't see him after that. I bumped into him at a bar in Chicago like three years ago. And that was the first time I had seen him since the fight. And we talked about it. It was like a funny story.

He's like, my bad, dude. And I'm like, yeah, well, look, I kind of wish I had just taken a few more punches in the arm. Well, they say, what's the phrase? If you're going to lose a fight, make sure they don't want to fight you again, and then it's kind of a wash. You never fought you again. Yeah, I'm a big believer in sometimes as long as you just answer the bell

and you're not a pussy, then you're all right. And if you lose, like, people lose fights. Some people lose more than others. I kind of agree with that, though. Like, Francis's infamous story of getting beat up by the lobstermen is probably my favorite fight story ever. I don't think I know that story. Oh, it's so good, dude.

I'll summarize it quickly, but he wrote a blog about it, and he also told it on Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast with Shane Gillis. And you got to get every detail because it's amazing. But long story short, he was in a pizza place after a bar, so everyone's drunk. He's with his one crew of friends. He has another crew of friends, let's say high school and college, whatever it was.

He goes over just to say hi to the other crew real quick hello sits down in their booth just says what's up while he's just saying hi a fight breaks out with somebody else and he's kind of like i'm not even with these guys tonight i don't even know these girls that they're fighting over but some dude just like grabs him and clocks him and he kind of gets pulled into the scrum ends up fighting this lobsterman from like docks of maine who uh he was like francis like he was like six two and he was like he ended up kicking me in the face oh and and then later in the story he goes i mean and that guy he was like six two and very flexible and the guys were like how did you know he was flexible?

And he was like, because he kicked me in the face. And they were like, he was standing up. He gave him a boot while standing. And Francis isn't a short guy either. So he gets kicked in the head. And then apparently, Francis was kind of like on his hands and knees. And the guy got like on top of him, almost like riding like a – and he just boom, boom.

And he was just wailing on him. And like the police come. I think it kind of breaks up. And he went over to the guy and dapped it up with him and was like, good scrap, man, like good scrap. He was very proud of himself that he could like take the beating and that he was okay. But he was like, yo,, man. Like, good scrap. He was very proud of himself that he could, like, take the beating and that he was okay. But he was like, yo, dude, like, good one.

And he said to the other guy, he was kind of like, yeah, like, I beat the fuck out of you. There's not a scratch on me, but good scrap. Francis was like, you good? You're like, you know, you're all set? You're going to get out of here? Okay, cool. That's how Francis treated it like it's a hockey fight.

Yeah, it was exactly that except francis needed like facial reconstruction surgery because he got wailed on but the point was he was like i you know you're you you probably until it happens you worry about getting punched in the face yeah more more than actually you know it's like anything else in life the worry and the fear of it is way worse than the actual thing happening which i totally subscribe to that in everything, it's like anything else in life. The worry and the fear of it is way worse than the actual thing happening, which I totally subscribe to that in everything, whether it's fighting or whatever. Like going through shit is way easier than worrying about going through shit.

Well, like the internet has made me more afraid of fighting than I used to be. Because now it's like you see guys get like knocked out and then they're knocked out and they just keep beating the shit out of like an unconscious body and then they like die so if there was like that we could go back to a time where it was like like france is talking about like hey like i lost and but it's like everyone is effectively walking away like no like real uh you know real problems a little little stitches surgery or whatever but like we're not trying to kill people like when someone's out they're out if we could just do that i feel like we'd have

a better and no weapons or anything i don't know the amount that's more of a chicago thing the amount that people do that on camera where they just keep wailing and it's like bro you see that someone's filming that, right? Like committing murder on camera. It's crazy. And then, of course, everyone's a MMA fighter or an amateur boxer or whatever it might be now. Like even if you're just – fighting is one of those things. If you're like 1% better than the average person, you have like such an advantage where everyone else is just rough and rowdy

flailing. And if you know how to throw a punch, you know, it's light for the other guy. If you're, if you're a yellow belt, honestly, you're super advanced.

Yeah. Um, when, when, uh, when white socks, Dave cut his face on the Velcro. Yeah.

Were you there for that live? Oh, yeah. Oh, I would have given anything. I would trade a good fight story to have been there live. I mean, that jump, he just puts his fucking head right into it and then acts like it was the wall's fault where he was like, okay, that's done. we're done with this thing you're the you're the one who headbutted the velcro dude yeah and look again i love dave but like that i think there was like the embarrassment the blood like the whole thing but like we that was the thing with miller light and they're like hey like

we want we wanted this here we're gonna they're they're like the big bear sponsors so they're gonna have like their own Miller Lite tailgates at Bears games all year long we want to have this apparatus Velcro wall is gonna be part of the thing like will you do it so Dave does it gets off he tells the Miller Lite people that's the end of that like no more like this is the dumbest thing in the world and then like so he gets himself cleaned up or whatever i mean like goals over it has a couple beers i'm kind of standing in eyesight talking to a different group of people of the apparatus the big velcro wall and i saw probably 10 12 people

do it totally successful they just didn't try to headbutt the the velcro wall so but he was like he was like this is they're gonna get sued over this i'm like i don't think that they are but it is a one time i saw a 50 year old guy do it no problem like basically everybody that was doing it was like at least 40 years old except for him and he just led with his face, but he thinks it can't be him. It's got to be him. I'm going to have my boys back. I've watched that video five, seven times, not to laugh, but to figure out what he did wrong, and I still can't tell. It looks like a perfectly fine jump to me.

If you were to show me that video and be like, okay, now you jump into the wall, I would do exactly what Dave did. I'm more scared for you just being stupid then. Because he puts his head first. I get that his face hit it. But, like, I wouldn't turn my head like this. I wouldn't have my head back. I'd just jump into the wall.

It's not even that. It's down, dude. He, like, leads with his crown of his head, like a penalty in the NFL. I mean, and this is – Targeting his own head. I would probably fuck my shit up on a bouncy Velcro wall, too. That's why I don't do those things.

I have my rule. My feet don't leave the planet Earth anymore. i'm always on the ground from now on but you know if you if you're not that's one of those things if you are not comfortable in it you're gonna look like a spaz you're gonna cut your face you're gonna fall over you're gonna do something you know there's certain things that you there's no way to look good like you're trying to like swat a b-o-a there's like no way to make that look good. But like the other, the comment that he had like a week later, because, you know, like it keeps coming up, believe it or not, on different shows. So he was like, he said that those dummies at Miller Lite, you should have put like the softer Velcro on the wall and like the hooky parts on the suit and like that i was like well

they've miller white didn't build it and the company that built it has probably built thousands of these things but i don't think that's the worst idea i was gonna say that logic to that yeah that one checks out yeah so yeah all Yeah, point for Dave, yeah. Still your fault, but that one, maybe there's something to that. We talked about it on the rundown, and Portnoy, Dave Portnoy, loves White Sox Dave so much for moments like this. And he hired him after the infamous Walter Payton Jr. TV event where he was chewing the gum and the hair and the shower that didn't take.

And the way they describe it, when he talked to Dan, he was like, what's up with this guy? And he said he's the funniest guy in the world, but it's all unintentional, and he can't do it on demand. But if you keep him around, three months, you're going to get like the funniest thing of the year will be from White Sox Dave. So as long as he can just fill in the gaps with some,

some blogs and some, you know, podcasts and some good content four or five times a year, you're going to get a moment that the most talented blogger who can do it on, on command could not, you know, can't recreate. It's like, which one do you want? It's like in a weird way, he's almost just as valuable as some of the top guys. Totally.

What was this thing he did with Dave Portnoy? It sounds weird to say this, but it's one of my favorite things, despite the fact that I can't remember exactly what it was when he, Dave asked dave invited you guys all to elton john was it yeah yes what was he he replied to dave like so dave sent us all an email and it was hey i got tickets to um that it was like a suite at soldier field for elton john and i had a wedding so i replied like hey thanks but i i can't go i got a wedding carl replied to the whole group saying like you know i'm in dave read it as there was only one ticket like there was a suite two and there was one ticket available first come first serve so he just never replied and that was his excuse. But then there was like, I don't know.

I can't remember all the details. There's so many like White Sox Dave, like stories like that that they kind of bleep together. But like to your point, I pitched Merge Team, Allison and Pilar an idea last year, which was just a White Sox Dave calendar, which was like his top 12, like hilarious pictures and they're like that's gonna be hard to source we have like some pixel resolution issues on some of these like i don't

know if we can so we just never did it but like i think i sent that to them like last september oh let's do that no let's do that i'm so sick every one of the biggest problems with barstool is the amount of no's that people run into i hear from everybody and there's always some valid reason but it's like i don't know we'll have trig recreate the fucking picture with the painting so that you don't have to worry about pixels done and i will i will fund this fucking calendar myself if i have to the 12 months of of dave the 12 months but but thank god that they said no then because i feel like there's been like three the catalogs since last year annual thing that guy's got 12

12 months of dave and i brought i said, because it died on the vine, that idea, I brought it up like, I don't know, like two weeks ago on our show. He's like, you never told me that. He's like, I didn't give consent to my likeness. If my dad asked you, you would have said no.

I was like, when they first introduced merch bonuses and the Christmas sweater Caleb just put Big Cat's face on. And you're like, can I get back pay for Saturday's Superboys for this new structure?

Right. Dave is like, it's like Kramer and Walter J. Peterman selling his stories buy the rights to your dumb pictures and sell them Dave because they are impossible to recreate what a legend

he is like Kramer and Costanza like into one person that's really how to summarize White Sox, Dave. So how is the – I mean, there's worse people to beat. Are you paying too much for your wireless plan? Straight Talk just introduced the new Straight Talk multi-line plan where more lines means more savings. Just $25 a line per month when you get four lines with unlimited data,

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animosity is one thing but like not being able to trust somebody that's like i have if i can't trust you um and you've given me five seven seven, ten years of examples, then that for me personally just makes it like an untenable situation. And it was just like we could never make progress on ideas. And we were just like, it's time to just make a split. So we made a split and we like set it up. So everybody could kind of save face. And then certain, you know, Carl didn't like,

like live up to that contract, I guess, you know, a verbal contract and was like spewing more lies. And so we just had to address it. But I really like, I don't think about them, you know,

like that's kind of what it is. Like we're focused on our thing. I know he's doing the baseball thing. Like I don't, I'm not like know, like, that's kind of what it is. Like, we're focused on our thing. I know he's doing the baseball thing. Like, I'm not, like, rooting for him to fail or anything. You should. If I have beef, I'm fucking rooting for you to fail. For sure. Yeah.

Like, I just. Not on a Fortnite level where I have, like, the bottle of Ace of Spades. But I'm rooting for you to fail. Yeah, I'm checking in on your on your i'm getting the updates i want to know yeah like but that's like i think maybe because i just feel better about what we're doing and i feel like we're kind of trending in the right direction so i think if we were really struggling maybe i would want him to struggle too yeah it's it's easier when you're uh you know coming out on ahead of coming out on top of the two sides.

So it's easier to just be like, whatever. And I feel like I've only seen him. Like since that whole thing. Or if I like, you know, like it's just like it's almost like out of sight, out of mind. And so I just I don't know. I just don't, I don't really think about them and I just kind of try to focus on, on what we're doing. And, you know, and it's just like there's so much like changing and going on too, that it's,

you know, we're trying to, I'm more like concerned about how we're going to fit in or what, you know, like to the, all the, the new dynamic and how do we how do we you know it was like like we had kate on the other day like kate's awesome like i love kate like how do we like how do we like kind of um incorporate these people and do more stuff with them uh rather than focus on like the one person who we're not going to do stuff with so uh funny what you said is is so true because like over over over the years i've you know i fought i battled dave content wise yeah almost exclusively on every single topic we think the opposite like if he says left i say right and it's and it's just that's just the way it is but i've never

once not trusted him or thought there's been times where i was like fuck this guy's an asshole but if it was ever anything like real about my contract about my life about something personal not even like a question that he would you know handle right you know what i mean so like you know it's one of those things where you can hate somebody and then also ride with them like no questions asked if she goes down yeah or but once it crosses over to that like i don't think you not only like you not have my best interests in mind but like you're actively that's yeah or you know only you know only yours is what matters whatever it may be that's a whole different ballgame.

Yeah. And that was the, that was the thing that drove me crazy, you know, and he, and it was just like the, uh, the line. Like, I just, I, I, I have like a hard time lying about like anything. I just feel like, even like Dave, Dave always like, you're out of the, like the, I, like we were pulling a prank on Sidney Wells like when we're doing this hunting thing and she was like calling her dad her dad was getting pissed at her and Dave was out in the field and I was sitting shotgun and I I broke it's just like so Dave's like you're like you're in the no fun crew I'm like you didn't see like she was on the

verge of tears her dad was on she called her dad like three times in 15 minutes what was the trip so i feel like it won't make sense unless you're like a hunter person but they have all this land down in like central illinois and they have these like giant bucks and they like have them on the deer cams and they like intentionally don't shoot those so they let them get big and their antlers get bigger so when they finally do um it's like you know more of a trophy or something and so dave uh it was funny joe but dave so they told him like hey like only shoot does don't shoot any box or whatever so dave photoshopped him giving the finger over like this giant massive buck that they had been waiting and like following for like six years and so it was like legitimately it was like a great prank and

it was like the last buck that they had like that on their plan so you know mr wells and like you know and he's in the hunting content thing too so like he's like i'm gonna get that block i'm gonna make content like if sydney gets it that's fine for sydney and but whatever but we're gonna get that buck next year one way or another film it you know do it the right way make it a big content thing and she's like dad like he got like you know they nickname all these all these bucks and he's and he he had like that like the calm but like furious angry dad reaction over the phone and then she called him back he's like what are you doing sydney what do you know i was like oh i started to like panic and feel guilt so like as i like, Sid, it was a joke. Pranks are fucked up

because in that moment if he's like, this is why I love your sister better than you. You say you're crazy. And then it's like, sorry, it was a joke, but your family's ruined now. Right. And so it was a joke but your family's ruined now right and so it was like it was it was funny until

until it wasn't until it like she was having like what i can't see especially girls but i can't see like people cry like yeah dude if i was pulling a prank and i was watching human suffering i would so so and that's just one of those things where I'm like, I can't, I can't lie about this anymore. Like this is a harmless thing and I can't fucking do it. And so Dave is just like, well,

you're not a part of it. You're in the, you're not the fun crew anymore. I'm like, I fine. Then I can't be, if I can't, if I have to watch somebody like have a panic attack and cry.

And that is what I have to do to stay in the club. I'm out of the club. We did to jackie once she uh i think i could do it to jackie she forgot to record an entire ati and it was with taylor tomlinson that was pads you did that what did did Jackie cry over then? She cried maybe as much as anybody at this company. She's one of those naturally funny things where it's not as stupid as Dave is. It's more just natural funny from her. It's just like you got gotta hopefully ask her the right question

and bring up the right topic and then she says something and you're just like thank God the conversation went that direction uh I thought she's asleep a lot and she's on this call and I think she's just dead asleep no I'm here I'm here that's why I'm so sleepy I was trying to

what did I make you cry over with a prank didn't we do something make you cry over with a prank? Didn't we do something to you? It wasn't a prank, I think it was just I was just like, I fucked up And I didn't like, I think I didn't get the podcast up on time And then you sent a text being like To the group being like

Like we can't keep doing this All that, and then I felt, and then I just came in And I was trying not to cry, and then I just That's what it was, yeah, it't a prank. It was just that she started crying and I was like, it's okay. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Post a comment. Whatever you want. I don't care. I got out of it though. You weren't mad at me anymore.

That is like the girl's trump card. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to do it if I'd seen him, but we did that with Hank when we found out that Hank was Franny Lydon. And we were like, we're telling Dave and but we did that with Hank when we found out that Hank was, uh, for any light in. And, and we were like,

we're telling Dave and, and I Hank, this is back at Milton and Hank sat in like the little fucking cubicle or whatever, the reception desk. I think it was. And we're like, we're telling him cause he'd obviously,

he'd said some pretty horrible things about Dave. I think he liked K-Marco. He was not a fan of me. He liked me. What do you like, Hugh? I think I got good comments, yeah. You got good comments. This is territory

where I am okay pranking somebody. If you fuck around, then it's fair game. He had a camera on him. I think D-Lo was like holding the camera on him while all day I just played fucking like you're fired music

where I just out loud on my laptop the only one I could vividly remember was I was playing goodbye my lover it was like and apparently this is unbeknownst to me i i thought he was just fucking wearing it on the chin and was like fuck you i don't like you anyway read the comments bitch and um i think as

he tells it he was tearing up and had written his like resignation letter to dave before uh i was like yo we're not it's fine like it's all good because he did find out somehow uh but I was like, yo, we're not, it's fine. He did find out somehow, but I was like, yo, it's all good. How did he find that out? I guess maybe... If I remember, it's like a birthday or something, and Hank just

admitted it. Oh, it was Hank's birthday! Yes! Hank's 21st! Hankapalooza! He said something like you know like that was that Franny Lydon thing was crazy or whatever Dave was like wait what I figured like maybe I

said something or maybe Gaz Hank fucking ratted on him but that makes me think he's a good guy but he wasn't telling on himself he was like he he's like oh i think so maybe i'm misremembering but i think no no you're right like he it was definitely unintentional i don't know which way he confessed but it was for sure just by accident

like saying he was like wait what are you talking about and it's the only the only example in my entire life pretty much anybody else who does something like that i would really be like yo you're a piece of shit that's a fucking scummy move and i just don't know why with hank i'm just like it's okay man it's okay he's just like too good of a guy otherwise but like just just knowing like the like maybe he was new in the game but like knowing now how much internet fucking trolls and haters and shit can like hurt and harm to just be like i'm gonna do that and it's gonna be fun is so fucking scummy but i was just like i was like anybody else in the world i would like fire this guy tomorrow. And instead, I was like, eh, it's all right. I think Don was the one who found it out, if I remember correctly.

I think Don – because I think – I don't even, like, know who Franny Lydon was. I think everyone hated me. It was hard to – I read comments at that time. It was hard to suss out who was a repeat customer and who wasn't. But I think he used to always comment on the blackout tour mixes that Dante sucks or something. And then Dante took such offense to it. Obviously, this is as I remember things. If people dispute it, then that's fine, too.

It sounds accurate so far that dante took such offense to it that he got the ip address and had d-low look up the ip address and then it was like hank's girlfriend at the times or something like that and it was and then d-low came into the office that day and was like i know who it is and i was like who is what and he's like who is commenting on all our stuff that we suck and i was like okay he's like it's fucking hank and i was like that motherfucker because i i obviously knew at the time that that stuff hurt i didn't know he was doing it but i was like what the fuck and so i was like i was like that motherfucker. Cause I, I obviously knew at the time that that stuff hurt.

I didn't know he was doing it, but I was like, what the fuck? And so I was like, I was like, we're telling on you. We're going to fucking rat you out. And, and obviously I,

I, I didn't, but Hank took that upon himself to do. Well, that's like, it was, it was, uh,

you know, karma or whatever destiny that he, he did get caught for it because it's such a scummy fucking thing to do. I don't know why with Hank it doesn't bother me. It's the lowest of the low, though. He was so young at the time, too. He was probably like 19, 20. I'll tell you what. I swear to God, if he had grown the beard by then, I would have held him to the fire. He still had no chin chin and he was still

eating the sandwiches sideways and he was breaking into the the garden the boston garden with the butter knife so i was just like ah let him live it's so funny to see like him now because it's like it breaks your brain because it's like you talk to him about like the new office or whatever plans and it's like oh like you you really know what you're talking about and then you have like a flash in your brain of like the no chin eating sandwiches backwards and you're like how is this the same like you've grown into like a real corporate adult you're a very impressive young man he's like pinocchio like you're a real boy now now all of a sudden you're a real human somehow i'm comfortable putting my future in your hands

there's a couple ip address stories from the early days that are are just like you gotta be fucking kidding me but hank was the one that was just like the fact that ip addresses i don't really understand exactly what an IP address is, but the fact that they can trace anything to anyone just through that. It's also, I think to like really trace people is you got to know what you're doing. But like early days of WordPress, you have like a commenter name, your email address, and your IP address. They're just like boom, boom, boom, right there. So if you took the time to like cross-reference, it was as easy as just like looking and studying.

So it was not like that hard. It was just like who the fuck would take the time to do that? But there was a couple guys here who were getting crushed and eventually they do take the time and it's like oh you're you know you think just creating a burner email is like good enough it's like coming from inside the house i love that it was dante i never knew that either oh that's so perfect because he's like the guy to do that. Like he's serving Internet justice. Well, dude, you have grown into a like I said, got kind of grandfathered in as time went on to be one of the OG guys. And I think that the stuff with Carl and similar to the stuff with Hank is just like even what you're describing with Sidney is like, you just kind of know which people are like the good ones

and which ones are the, there's like good, bad, and ugly you know, and you know, the list for the good people isn't always the longest here, but you're one of them, so Chiefs are very, I was lucky enough to spend a weekend with Chief very recently in Minnesota Chief's a great guy

I had a great time with Feidelberg innesota i have to wear the fact that i fired it your defense i think i had written one blog so i had to suppress that and black that out because when you told me that i i truly was like i don't remember one second of that but then you dug up the email and i was like yeah there it is i guess i i gotta say i love bringing up to you one of my favorite things yeah all right well keep it up and like i said there is some element of that old bar stool uh that i you know with the show moving to Chicago, just try to keep some of that old school mentality because there ain't much of that. You got to keep that alive.

I only know one way to be. I feel like if I was like, I guess, talented as Francis, I might try more things. But now I'm glad you can say just I'll be the old school way. All right. That's what it's easier said than done, i'll be the old school way all right that's what it's easier said than done because like sometimes the old school is not gonna you know get the most views or the most money or whatever so it's like sometimes there is a trade-off but there is like a crew of people both fans and people at the company that i think are like man it was better when it

was like that and you know you guys are still doing it that way. And I know we've talked a little bit about trying to do more long form. When I did that interview with Michael Schellenberger about the aliens, you reached out being like, this is the kind of show I'd like to do. And I guess we'll put it in the hands of the fans. That's something that I've always wanted to do. I kind of dabbled in doing it a little bit, and it was always like there is an audience, but not a huge one, at least for when I did it,

that I could justify doing a 10th podcast. But if there is a big – I know that you've already done a lot of that on the shows in Chicago. But if there is a big fan base that really wants more of that and we can kind of figure that out ahead of time, I don't know if you want to – there's just a way to garner that audience and maybe we could launch it and try to make a show, a more formal show with all that kind of stuff.

I mean, that's what podcasting – the original podcasting to me was that. Yeah, and I was thinking about that too. Am I getting cucked right now? I am getting pod cucked. Like, why don't you fucking watch, bitch? I was thinking about ways to do that that made sense. And it's almost maybe it's better if it's like a series. Like how Dan did the, what was that?

He had all the different CEOs and people like that. And you release it as a season. Yeah. So you could cut three, come out for a week. We can talk about that after. You know what you should do? Let's pick like the 10 best topics. Yeah yeah like the pyramids the the jfk assassination yeah you know like pick the heavy hitters which you know it's not like we're gonna bring new information to the table

but you know hopefully people want to hear the way we talk about it you know and we can do a little barstool series of like you know know, and we'll make it well produced. Yeah. And it will be. I like that idea. Nobody, nobody will sell it. It'll just go out and be free,

but we'll at least pitch it to somebody in sales and they'll say, yeah, we'll try to sell it and it won't. But yeah, we can, we'll pick those like 10 topics and then everybody who's interested in, in whichever topic can kind of be a part of it. And we'll do a 10 part series. I think that sounds great.

Great. More work. All right. All right. Everybody go follow Barstool Chief on all the – on all socials and make sure you keep up with Chicago, the draft, the dog walks, the mid-show, all that stuff. I mean, Mr. Porter on the draft next week. Yeah.

It's something else. What a duo that is. The first 15 minutes we're just trying to turn Zoom on. It's things we don't understand. Mr. Portnoy had first overall pick. It's one of the best 1-1s in history. Let's wrap it up and then you tell me and we'll keep it out because i gotta សូវាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប� Thank you.