KFC Radio - Dean Norris Admired Brian Cranston's Leadership Role on Breaking Bad Set - Episode + Interview

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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Hey, KFC radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. And Brian was such a, like, a spokesperson and leader. He was like the father of our show, you know? He was such a good guy. Yeah. To, like, in six years, man, he never showed up late to the set. He was always the first guy on the set. So that set the tone for everybody else, right? It's like sports, man.

It's like the captain of the team. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, all right, that mother-of-a-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d You said cool jacket to that, haven't I? No, I haven't. No, you did not. Do you have a different blue jacket? Oh, you mean maybe like a different time you said this? Yeah. Or today. No, it's a different time.

You might have said it already. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I knew it was. You didn't say it the first time. No, no, no. You don't know for sure.

I said it about a new blue jacket. Then it's this. Yeah. So, I'm sorry. Wait, you said that you said. Yeah, I said that's a that's cool jacket no but you didn't say it's not okay all right well you know what we I did win is the 1130 definitively definitive oh wait I forgot to reply that I was driving yeah definitely what are you talking about definitively we've had to question we have we've had to clarify how many times we've done like what time we do the episode like a thousand this is like what time we do the episode, like a thousand times.

This is like the second time ever! No. This is like the second time! We did it last week! Bless your heart! You said last week we also moved it, and you referenced even last week. First of all, you remember that the year started with like six in a row, right? Yeah, there were a couple in a row.

But then it was like six of eight. I acknowledged that because I'm classy, I stopped stopped acknowledging because I was just running up the score Like yeah, there might have been something in the first but but the burden is not to be more often than not on her It's just that it needs to be done more often than you you know I mean It's like like you we will know the fact that you even bothered to send the text is proof positive that I'm right Because you mean you were like a big deal about it being 11.30. Because we always do it at 11.30. And you have to do something at 12.30 today,

so we had to move it up a half hour. But I had that last week as well. And then, and then, and then not really since January. But. Okay, but first of all, the thing was, for the month of January, we said, whoever gets the most time changes, whoever wins.

I think that ended up being a split. I think that ended up being two-two. And then I think since then, it's been all me. It's been 11.30s. The fact, you need to be at like 98% for you to be right. She needs to be like 50-50. I was being classy, but I'm letting you. I'm not like 90, I'm pretty goddamn close.

No. It's twice a week for January, February, March, April, right? So eight episodes. I'm comfortable with what that is. 32, 32 episodes. The whole month of January was like all to Jackie. It's probably close to 50-50. Yeah.

But the very fact that you sent the text is like, hey, we're not going 1130 tomorrow guys, we're going 11. No, but that's her point is that those texts need to be sent sometimes. Sometimes for sure. But they've stopped coming as often, they used to be weekly and it would always be 1130 tomorrow, 1130 tomorrow, we go, yep.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you think that if you had made such a big deal? an 1130 third time that we would have felt the need to Wait, I forgot That's another point That's a point you would have a better just set your mouth there You would have been better just set your mouth there You're gonna open your mouth and no argument

You don't have a point, he has a point Keep fighting He's right that the text What did stop is the 11.30 tomorrow, 11.30 tomorrow, 11.30 tomorrow But the same frequency of of needing to tweak Not the same, it's been

Is it the second time it's been these past few weeks Well but now you're basing it off of when it was a crazy time in her favor It's back to normal, It was insane for her. No, they were like January wasn't last month. January was three months ago. There's been a lot of times where we weren't sending. But we also we also were doing December too again. And I was like, hey, just so you know, like it's December.

We'll officially start the cow in January. But just so you know, like we did have to clarify, we didn't have to move. And I acknowledged it in the moment when we were talking, I was like, this is a bad start. Yeah, it's a bad start. But let's just remember like the points off the back end, like your, what has transpired in February and March has, lest we not forget December and November. Oh, now we're bringing November into the mix? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We started January. No, I wasn't gonna play dirty until you started playing dirty. January was a thing. I clearly won. What I said, the loser, like, we agreed upon a formal apology. This doesn't sound like one.

I don't hear an apology. I'm gonna be honest, I don't think you upon a formal apology. This doesn't sound like Knowledge that the first the very start of this contest was bad for me I'll acknowledge that a quarter of the year passed and then now this week has been Resolute for me like we're like, yeah Kevin's like hey guys can't go 1130 tomorrow. That's all right. Well, we'll go earlier. Thanks for the update Again again 11th of this was my pump before but 1130 became the official like, okay, we're all yeah I think you're moving the goalpost a little bit. Yeah, cuz when the argument started it was like it's insane to ever think that we're going At any other time to 1130, but we go at different times than 11.30 pretty frequently. The normal time, our standard time is 11.30. That was always my point. No, no, no, you established that.

You did establish that. But I know I didn't establish it. Our routine established it. I just acknowledged our routine. I don't give a fuck what time we were recording. You made the proclamation, it was based on that's our general time, but I was always like, I don't know, is it 11, is it 11.30,

sometimes this, sometimes that. You were like, bam, it's 11.30, but starting then, and then it was not 11.30 quite frequently. It was just acknowledging what happened over the last year. I never would, I don't care what time we recorded. If it was, okay, if you had before you made a big deal about it being 11.30, if you had like gun to our head, like literally somebody was holding a gun to all of our head and they said what

time you guys all have to agree on the same time you can't talk to each other what time do you guys start we all probably would have come to 1130 this is my point but yeah that was the text sorry what time are we recording tomorrow I was saying we can stop with those we recorded 1130 on the same side of an argument with Nate Okay, yeah sure we always record 1130 independently we're told The gun is anywhere else in the room Like if it's not actually like a life or death situation, and like I was kind of like, this guy's probably not gonna shoot me

if I don't say 11.30. Then I would probably be like, I don't know, like we don't really have a set time, we probably start like 11, sometimes 11.30, sometimes 12. Do you understand like big difference between gun being in the room and gun being in the head? And I don't know how strong of an argument that was,

but like, you don't get it. That's gonna be my new thing. I'm still talking. Instead of saying gun in my head. So gun in the room, you're under a 30% threat of death. You might beat him to the gun. You might be able to kill him. The guy's like 70% blind.

He was gonna be moving on to it. That was tough. That was tough. You guys wanna hear a crazy story? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so, um, my sister is, um, gay as the day is long. So, she scored the most points in basketball history. Super gay.

Is that a saying or did you just come up with that? Uh, as the day is long is like a, it just means like very... The fuck was that? Yeah, that was crazy. Oh, that's super loud. That sounded like a... Gun means like very yeah that was crazy oh that that's super loud that sounded like a yeah yeah so she decides that she wants to propose to her fiance oh so she calls my sister-in-law and she's like can you help me set this up that you know help me get the ring, I wanna get the ring from here, I wanna get this kind of ring, I wanna do the proposal

at Baker's Beach, which is like the beach that we grew up going to. And my sister-in-law, my brother's wife, is like, yeah, of course, let's pick out the ring, let's go, blah, blah, blah. So they go, they do all that, they get the ring, everything all set up, May, no, what do I want to say, April? April 18th, 17th, whatever Friday it was. April 18th they're going to propose, she's going to propose to her at the beach. They go ring shopping, like two weeks later, Hannah, my sister-in-law, gets a call from my sister's girlfriend and

she goes, I wanna propose. Can you help me out? I was about to say this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Hannah, my sister-in-law, is like, yeah, of course. You gotta let them go.

What do you wanna do? She goes, I wanna get the ring from here. Bakersby. And I wanna get the ring, I wanna propose at Bakersby. Ah! On April 18th. On April 18th. No way!

Yes! So they both, so they're like, the whole, it was like three months of this and it was like, you know at one point I think my sister's girlfriend called my mom and was like, I'd like your permission to propose to Nealey, blah blah blah, and my mom already knew the plan. Got all confused I'm sure. My mom would totally blow mom already knew got all confused. I'm sure she's like I'm a totally blow that she had the phone on you going. She's fucking with She knows and she's just telling us yeah the plan like she knows what's happening and my dad's like I don't think she knows she doesn't seem like she knows they unmute the phone and like and where do you want to do this? Proposal she's like Baker's Beach April 18th, and they're like I mean that would that would be I would be like come on. Yeah

Baker's Beach April 18th, and they're like I mean that would that would be I would be like come on. Yeah So I so they didn't reveal it then but I can't imagine my mom gave the most like approved. Yes I'm sure I confused me. Yeah, I guess I'm sure she Think I'm not allowed to marry my wife That's a formality And so they went to the end but then because they both asked the same person because they both asked Hannah to like be in the dunes and take pictures and do all that kind of stuff. So they're both walking on the beach going, Hannah's in the dunes.

She's going to take pictures of this. And then it gets to like they I think they put Hannah and my brother had put like Hannah getting Was Hannah getting paid by both? Or like... No, getting paid by either of them. She's not a wedding planner, she's just a friend. Oh yeah, sorry. I gotta stop talking. Sorry.

And so they put like a daffodil or some kind of yellow flower on the beach. So that they both... Again, Hannah's made this play with both of them. Go to the yellow daffodil. It's like an episode of The Office or something. It's crazy. She's texting them, my brother's helped with it in the dunes, and they're both texting them like,

Hannah, we're in place. I'm sorry, Paulina, we're in place. Drew, we're in place. And they're just copy and pasting the same text between both of them. And then the girls, Neely and Drew, are arguing on the beach about who planned this date because They both want to think that they planned it Like this is my date and they're like walking down the beach having that argument. She's like no, this is my date I'm the one who planned this is like I wanted you to like fighting bigger

and then my my sister like she did like a fake thing with their like sock or whatever so then behind and bend down and her girlfriend or fiance now turned around with just like the meanest look not obviously not actually but like you mother son of a bitch I'm gonna say that then you're like you know you don't realize that you're in a race but you're in a race to get down on me right and she said she and she like she let her say her piece and she's like, all right, all right up up Yeah, there's one like famous one at Disney Disney. Yes exactly and but which just kind of sucks because they're Disney weirdos Yeah, they're like that. I mean that that's the the

You know the first time that probably happened publicly virally It's something that's never happened before because always on art. You know what the first time that probably happened publicly, virally, it's something that's never happened before. Because it's always on art, you know what I mean? I fuck with the lesbians who have to do that. Because it's a bitch. And it's just something that girls just don't have to deal with. And it's like, yeah, how much does this suck, right? It's nerve-wracking, it's expensive, it's hard, it's scary.

They were all like, I think my mom... Because my mom had put it together. Again, everything I'm telling, like, everyone who told me the story was so excited that like yeah it's all little pieces of it I'm like okay I think this is what happened here but the my mom like put it together she never told anybody because she didn't want to sell beans and like three days before the engagement it slipped out that my sister-in-law knew. I was like, you've known this whole time! I've been talking to you about this!

You've known this whole time! What is funny there though, I mean I guess, I don't know how this works, but there would be part of me that would be like, I could have saved some money here. I don't know if in general, do girls get each other rings? It's a pretty one-way street with straight guys and girls But if girls get each other's rings, then it's no big deal. But if not, it'd be like, uh Return one of these I learned the exact same thing where I was like

So I found out about a pilot last Wednesday And my first reaction was like other pocket and draw straws to see who returns the ring. Yeah, but I don't think I think it's a Both standard they both like that like both women get a ring My first reaction was like, oh they're probably gonna draw straws to see who returns the ring. But I don't think, I think it's pretty standard. They both get a ring. Like both women get a ring. I was gonna say, it'd get me like a Jewish lesbian couple being like, well, let's get a two for one deal. But then he goes, eh, you know.

That is awesome. Yeah, it was very fun. So when they were bickering on the beach. They weren't like, in first place, they weren't like, actually. Did they kind of start to realize it? I did, I don't think, prison to be clear. They weren't no I don't actually did they kind of start to realize it like I did I don't think I don't from what I understand you would take Me getting hit with a fucking brick over the head to realize that I'd be selling my own

Yeah, you're worried about what you're gonna do and making sure it's perfect and you're looking at your your photographer Yeah, everything is your I can't even imagine what it would take for me to be like I can't wait I'm about to get proposed to also right. I've never proposed, your I can't even imagine what it would take for me to be like I can't wait I'm about to get proposed to also right. I've never proposed but I can't Believe or can't imagine that there's another day when you have more tunnel vision Your proposal day we like I am focusing on these three things that I need to get done Yeah, so I can have that step so I can get to that step so I get to that step Yeah, yeah No, it would be I mean I can't even fathom it as a straight guy, because it's

just never going to happen. Right. It's just not a thing you ever even consider. But it would take a lot, I think, to realize, to be like, am I going to get proposed to right now? That would be a mindfuck. Because then I'd be like, wait a minute, do they, like, should I let her? She wants to, but I want to.

Imagine if you figured that out and you somehow knew that she like, it was her dream or I don't know, whatever. You wouldn't be doing it if you knew it was someone's dream. But imagine if you swallowed it and just were like, I'm not going to do it. I'll let you have this moment. Man, that is crazy. I like, I mean, how you picked the same day? Same place. Same place. Like the beach is like... Is there any significance of the day or no? I don't know. I don't believe so. I

don't know. The beach is just like, you know, like we all go to the beach a lot. So the beach, my other sister who's engaged also got proposed to on that beach. Then my brother proposed to the beach, but a different beach. So the beach is pretty standard. Yeah., but the day I was like how the fuck do you end up on the same goddamn day? Yeah Yeah, I guess I should maybe get married I did a is there video or anything or just there is I've seen it But I don't cuz I want it like that Disney one is good cuz the girl is like I don't know how I would do it the like the way she does it is is probably on the table for me to be like you know like I'm doing yeah but the Disney one the girl is just immediately like oh my god you're never gonna believe it's like pulls it out right away too that is the best all-time

coincidence you can have. It's insane. I've been I intentionally didn't tell you guys I've known since last Wednesday I was like I'm gonna tell him why on the show But like I was like what do you mean that's they got the same rings at the same place chose the same beach on the same I'll tell you why was that fucking possible. Whoever is the Whatever's the priest or speaker at the wedding a story wedding a story is tall. You're gonna be a priest brother. Yeah. I mean that story writes itself the amount of like well I guess we're made for each other. Can't get more fucking obvious than that. Were you like was it like when you did it was it like the whole day's ruined like you're just thinking about it the whole day?

Or did you take in the moment at all? Yeah, I mean, it was, it's like a struggle to like make sure they get their nails done. We like went out to dinner and it was kind of like, we went to dinner and then I was gonna do it at home and then we had a party at the bar. So like, it was a little bit of a time crunch to be like, I wanna make sure we get to the bar by like eight o'clock or whatever.

But it was, you know, it was pretty okay. Like it went pretty smoothly. But like making sure the nails and the dress stuff, like if you don't do that stuff normally, you know what I mean? It's like, why do I have to put on like a nice outfit right now when we're going to the bar, you know? That was another thing because they're both teachers

or they both work at the high school. They're on vacation, so they're going on vacation vacation so they both were like, get your nails done for vacation. Yeah. I can't remember what my reasoning was. I think we, I think we, I think she knew we were going to the bar for something else. I can't remember what. I think it was around her birthday.

I don't know. Something like that. But it wasn't like a totally, you know, like the plan was set for other reasons as well, you know. I think about this cause I'm allergic to nail polish. So when I think I'm gonna get proposed to, I have to think a year, which is probably soon. So I should start doing this now.

But I have to think a year in advance, I have to start micro dosing nail polish so I get less doing this now. But I have to think a year in advance, I have to start microdosing nail polish so I get less allergic to it. So that by the time I'm getting it engaged, again, I should get on this now, then I won't be allergic. And then I can have my full nails done. Why don't you just start doing that now?

That's where I was gonna go, yeah. It really makes me flare up. You mean if you microdose, like even if it's like. But why don't you just start. Well, cause I have to do like one nail at a time. Like I would have to do one nail at a time. It's kind of like. They don't make some sort of like.

Whatever free nail polish. Yeah, they don't have like land skin nail polish. They do, but it lasts like one day. So it's like I could do that now, that's what I do now. But when I get engaged. That's what you need in one day. I guess. Nah, you need a lot more than that.

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It's definitely if you're gonna watch then go yeah, yeah, yeah, well it doesn't really matter for you. You're gonna edit it If it is not you don't have to edit this part and just start and stop okay, okay? Fuck Jackie, fuck Pat. Dude, that was crazy. Bro, I don't know if it's just because it was that good or I'm watching so much television these days, like as I was watching that, I felt it. I don't know if, like Last of Us is a big time show, HBO, nine o'clock Sunday, it is a big show.

But because I think of it as like a video game and I'm always kind of watching it adapt and all that, I don't think of it as like an epic TV show I was like this is Game of Thrones I was game last night same thing fully back yeah like like the there were three separate times in that episode that I thought oh it's gonna end right here could have been and next episode is that yeah that's gonna be great right like when they were ringing the bells and the feet zombies are pattering towards town

Yeah, they couldn't be like episode is gonna be right now and next episode will be the battle for town Yeah, just kept going. Yeah, right then when fucking Caitlin Devers, whatever her name is The chick who like was off on her own gets rescued by Joel and yes, Dina When she wanted to get back to the car the cabin and she's like and that third guy Joel could have got their caught I was like, okay Okay, so the second next episode is gonna be like what I can do with them Yeah, and then when fucking Ellie gets there. I was like caught Let next episode is Ellie's that's why they're so gang and they just kept giving it to us, dude

I think that's a like I think it's an old-school way of thinking to stretch that shit out Yeah And and I understand why TV show runners and all that shit do it because you get like three episodes, right? But what's more, why I think what's better for the health of a show is to have one episode like that where you could be like episode two was epic.

I mean, to have the battle, usually in those Game of Thrones and all those things, it's like the battle is the episode. It's the whole episode. The fact that they gave you those battles, and the battle was like three different things really, with a storyline. You could give me the Joel storyline

and the rest of the episode could be dog shit. And that episode's epic. You could give me all of the battles with no other storyline. It's epic. Put it together, all time episode. Wait, so is he dead, dad? He's dead, bro. I think he's dead too. No, no, no, I mean he time episode. Wait, so is he dead, dad? He's dead, bro.

I think he's dead too. No, no, no, I mean, he's dead. Right, but like. I guess you could in the show, like, nah, he's dead, bro. Well, the only thing I thought of, and I don't know anything about the game, so this is just me watching, you know, using what I've seen and thinking,

I thought maybe, like, there's some, like, the mountain type shit with, like, how the smart, how they're getting, like, smart. How, like, there's, like, some kind shit with like how the smart How like there's like some kind of could be thing I mean the show it like that all that battle shit is not a game. So they are they are You know doing whatever they want right with the TV show but I never in a Trillion years I knew this storyline of the game and I know

There's like this is right when he gets killed and I was like there's no way they're gonna kill him he's Pedro Pascal yeah he's their golden goose he's like the show and and then I heard that the game is so long they were gonna break this the game into two seasons and I was like alright so they'll probably kill him at the end of this season and then have a whole other season to do the rest of the game and and then I read an interesting article with the showrunner saying,

because so many people knew what was coming, they didn't want every episode to be like, is it, does it happen, does it happen, does it happen? They said, we don't wanna torment people with it, which I think is cool. And then they said for the people who don't know what's coming, they're gonna be floored. I would, I can feel it.

I actually don't like, I think I would have been Shocked and sobbing had I not known it was coming see I was kind of the opposite Where I didn't know it's like it did not that no point even entered your mind right was it like he's gonna die right now Right like why it's cool when the things in I'm like what you get him in the shoulder You would think you would do it in the head. In the game, she just tees off on his head with a golf club. It's just like a to the temple, like kill shot. The game is even more brutal.

And that's where he's done. Done. In the game, he's done. So Pedro Pascal had arguably the most shocking death of all time, and now he's beaten it? Like with the Viper. Yeah. Yes. Yes two times. We watched Pedro Pascal get fucking his head smoked Yeah, it's two of the biggest shows ever and honestly the fact that he's dead It actually cuz I was thinking that Pedro Pascal had a time machine

Because he's in too many mass all the time. Yeah I was like, you can't be doing the Mandalorian Fantastic four last of us and there's some other I think I want to say there's one more like major IP that he's attached to I was like you can't those are the four biggest things in the world, right? But he's not really doing all of them. Yeah, and so now it makes sense I would imagine there's a little flashback like it seems weird that they introduced that therapist character and then like yeah like Catherine Catherine was a big actor like I don't know what's gonna happen there, but does Ellie go to her now? Maybe I mean again. That's not in the in the game, so I don't know it could be there

Man that was fucking. I mean that's so sick. I've been scared to be hyperbolic about it It's a top three episode all time. It really is. Like television. I mean, television is the whole thing. I think we are in a really good spot with TV right now, where they are making many movies for a lot of different shows. So I feel like recently I've been like, this is one of the best, and this is one of the best, and this is one of the best.

But that was like, I mean, it had every f**k. All of it. That was, I still like, I haven haven't even talked about to anybody until right now Yeah, can't do when they they slam into the wall Oh The thing the door just shaking when they're deciding where to go and like the the the the plan they had is a good one They bruise a big oil. Yeah The oil barrels out into the thing. I was like burn it so jean. Yeah

This is gonna work like this is how I used to do in Age of Empires. It's smart Yeah, I mean that that was as good as it had very felt like hard home where they the battle with the white walker Yeah, I remember when when he makes them raise up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because I mean that was there was an obvious There's a there's two re I mean it was very large scale battle But it's also drawing Game of Thrones comparisons because it was white walkers. It was no it was white walk Yeah, it was they even had even had that like the cut of the feet Yeah, like rustling watching them kind of get ready. Yeah. Yeah, so that was very and like good Like that's a good thing to go after yeah

But I would put that up there with battle the bastards Blackards, Blackwater Bay, Castle Black, like all of the battles, awesome. The death, awesome. Like top battles, top death scene, all in one. I mean the death scene, I can't get over here. She's laying on top of him at the end. That was such a good shot when it cuts to like the ceiling shot and it's just two of them. Just all alone, yeah. They said they brought in like a crane shot for that one scene because they wanted it to feel like an empty room. Yeah, dude.

I mean, that to me... But she's going, get up, Joel. I was like, honestly, I was trying to process it in my head because it didn't... It wasn't a realistic... It never entered my mind that he could be dying. I don't think for game people it was... Again, for me, and I think a lot of people probably would have said, they're not going to kill Pedro Pascal this soon.

So it really wasn't on the table for me. And then she shoots him in the leg with the gun. And I'm like, in that world, you're fucked if you get shot like that. That's not like, you're not surviving that no matter what. So I was like, oh. It's either zombies gonna bite you or they're gonna kill you, but you're not living long. Right. So I was like, oh, it's happening.

You know? And then I'm like, They're gonna fucking do it right now shit But then I I at the end of the episode they kind of have the future or the yeah Yeah, what's coming next week, right? He's in it. So maybe it's flashbacks I don't know how often they'll utilize that if they bring them that will be I will be mad if they bring them back Like a lot. Yeah, like I like we said like well you said because I didn't know that Maybe they kind of want to rehash the last five years, so maybe that's where she goes to therapy She starts talking about Joel they did they did a little bit of that with um Abby had like a dream in the very beginning where she walks past herself, and she's talking to herself

I didn't know what was happening. Yeah, that was her. I was like that was an issue it actually It resolved itself, but at that point Going from episode one into that scene. I was like, I think Caitlin Devers and Bella Ramsey look too much alike Yeah, well, that's because I was supposed to be like similar I was like I can't tell who's who I get I get like again since it was only I'd only seen them share a Screen for 60 minutes now that I've had 120 I like I get it. Yes You thought that was Ellie talking to her. I was like, who are those two people talking?

Yeah. But if they're doing shit like that, there could be it's in Ellie's head or it's a flashback. I think you'll see him more because I don't think this can be the end of Pedro Basquale because he's too good. Yeah. Usually when you do shit like that,

you cast somebody who's not that good. But in this show, it's like he's the guy. I just I really respect them just being like this is the story right? He dies, but I do fucking kill him the more I think about it now or talk it out with you I do think he's gonna be in the rest of season the whole season you think I think a couple I don't know I think it'll be eight episodes to go. I think it'll be an 11 11 30 situation We're like he's gonna be in a lot whether you count it like the whole just cuz I'm thinking about the Eugene Storyline we don't know anything. Yeah, like we're gonna. We're gonna see that kill Yeah, we're gonna see about that happened and all that

We're gonna see what happened with Ellie and Joel and I think all that's gonna be found out through therapy. Yeah, so I don't hate that if there's some sort of flashbacks. That's fine. As long as there's not like he's alive or you know Yeah, as long as episode 3 doesn't start four years earlier earlier Yeah, right. What the fuck did we do that for? agreed Would you I Wait were your thoughts on Abby Abby is Caitlin Devers. Yes. She's I think I don't know. I thought she was great I thought she was I thought she was like I believe I remember She was great. I thought she was I thought she was like I believe I remember

Seeing on Twitter when she was first announced as the actress like people like I guess Abby's Jack She's so big dude, and so like almost almost how is this gonna play that chick again? If I didn't I didn't watch I didn't play the video game So I don't know but I thought she was a great psychopath totally well that was like in the game She is so big that it's like believable. She could beat the fucking shit out of Joel This felt a little I mean when you're tied up and you've been shot a leg you can get beat up and someone hits you Yeah, it's not that big of a deal But it just felt like almost like an even fight with Abby and Joel in the game And this was like she's a little bit smaller, but she I mean I fucking hate her hate her and I think

There is and hate her, hate her. And I think there is, I've never been, I've never really read the book first or played a game first on a movie or TV show. Being on this side of it is awesome. Because watching what people think and what they're saying about Abby right now and knowing where it goes, or like it's gonna, I just don't wanna say too much, but if they can do what they did in the game on television,

it will be one of the greatest accomplishments in TV history. Really? Because like in a game, it's one thing to do what they do when you're just watching TV and you have your, who you like and who you don't like, and the heroes and the villains, like, and if they do it, it's gonna be fucking sick. And I I hope they do because there's so many people right now being like fuck

I you know fuck Abby and I'm just like just wait and they're like and I'm people have been like no no No, like she's done, and I'm like just wait. You know so yeah, no I don't like hate Abby I think you know I actually killed someone I really like but I don't think in that world. She did it particularly heinous you know that's true. It was a bit much I mean when the rest of the gang who was like on the mission with her like stop I would have done that shit to someone who fucking killed his dad I mean that it's a really good. It's like wicked You know it's kind of like looking at it from the other angle and like and Joel is like so beloved and

But when you look at like he both of them watered 18 people and tortured Pete remember like yeah I've tortured those guys killed the the doctor You know I very much of the belief like look if you're doing that shit someone might do it to you one day totally like and really I I always had a little bit of a problem with what Joel did in general like And and this is why I hurt him and Ellie have this like strain relationship because I think even Ellie was like You should have let me die. You should have saved the world. And I always thought that was a little bit like much like I know you love this girl but like you could save the world. I mean that's why it's a great as a father figure at

least you understand where he came from but you understand the other side of it where they were willing to sacrifice her. I think he also like I would sacrifice myself to save the world if you give me 100% chance it's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, you give me a chance. Guess what? You're not getting it, right? Well, that's why it's a perfect thing, you know 100% chance my death will save the world bro the way Ellie even says in this episode when she stops the Asian guy and she's like It's Joel and Ellie Ellie and Joel forever. Yeah. Yeah, right forever like we're you know, we have our shit But it's Joel and Ellie Ellie and Joel forever yeah yeah right right like we're you know we have our shit but it's Joel and Ellie Ellie

and Joel and we'll always be that we're fine we're good and I was like oh it is but that's what I'm gonna leave cuz you know anything I was like when she pulled up I was like oh she's gonna go fucking save his ass let's go and then she's like get up Joel and I was like I was doing like the math in my head where I was I was already mad at the show Yeah, where I was like he's gonna get up and like he's not in a position to get up no leg eight people And I mean the like they did a good job of There was enough of like a time lapse

Where you realize that she's been beating him the whole time? Yeah, they didn't show it the whole time because that would be like a little gratuitous But it took a while for Ellie to get there. You see her start beating him, and it takes a while for Ellie to get there, and he's still beating him. She starts beating him, and she's still on the horse. Yes.

And then like it's... She comes all the way up, and it's still, ah! And then, ah! Oh, man, oh man. I mean, brutal, and you know, that after show had some of the makeup artists was talking about like, this was like the most important moment of his career to nail that the Joel makeup

Yeah, and it's funny watching him like pre they're like brushing him. He's laying face on the floor flat down Still you know eyes moving awake, and they're like action and just goes you know She has to lay on top of what's supposed to be his bloody ass face It's I mean to me that's one of the all-time you know Joel and Ellie Ellie and Joel are like ride or die that's one of the all-time, you know, Joel and Ellie, Ellie and Joel are like ride or die. It was all, I mean that was so sick. I love it in the moment when you can realize you're watching great TV. I was like, and it really was, again, I watch it through the lens of like, is this like the game or not like the game? That's pretty much like the whole time. So I kinda like, it's different from other shows.

And when the body start, when the avalanche starts. And I was like, oh. I was like, this is like some epic shit. I didn't quite, the only critique I have is two things. One, it's a show where like one or two infected are like a problem. And now there was an army. It was more like a battle with humans.

Where like I'm fighting you and they're fighting over here. I feel like you would just get overrun by, you know what I mean? It was not a human battle, that was an infected battle. They should have been more dead people, you know? I didn't notice anyone, and maybe I'm confusing my zombie stories. There's like a couple people getting...

You turned pretty quick with this one, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, I didn't see anyone turn. Right. Which was like... Somebody in my comments said, how about the scene at the end where they were putting down the people who had been bitten? I must have missed that.

But if there was a scene at the end where they were going through, like, all right, you gotta go, you gotta go, you gotta go. Oh, it's... I think what they're referring to is on that last it starts like a watchtower a shot and then it comes down and it meets the black guy a black wife in the Joel's program and and so the scene the camera shot starts up there and then they kind of slowly zooms in on them but But what you see in the first shot is a bit guard handing his gun to someone else.

And then the gun goes off. To shoot him. Yeah, OK. So I think they should have showed a little bit more of that for just to be realistic. And also the gravitas of we all got to kill each other now is fucked up. And I guess maybe there was no, once a human once Abby like fell down the

thing into them they like woke up because it was human to eat or something like why were they all just fucking sleeping if they're still alive you know what I mean I don't think they were sleeping there it was they they referenced earlier in the episode when I don't know the Asian kid who talks who yeah I can't remember his name either, but he was explaining to Ellie how There to how there are rumors of super smart ones that she's right and saying right and then he said they're also reports of You know some

Scout team who had found them laying under frozen bodies as Okay, so the ones on top were dead and there's okay. Yeah I thought it was something like they're like frozen and like kind of waiting and then like a human came and the Pipes with the little spores like well, I think it's just I guess that makes sense that top layer again Yeah, he was explaining it while they were I think it was when they were walking to The guy with the stakes to apologize to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or something like that. But he was like, yeah, they're like, they're getting smarter is what they were kind of saying.

Right, even the fact that they knew to leave the big fence and go to the small fence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bloater. The bloater is like, when you fight the bloaters, it was very real the way Tommy was like, you keep hitting it with the flamethrower and it's like, when will this fucking thing die? And it gets to you and then like collapses that was very real But man, I mean just I really like That there is a risk and I saw some people being like I'm not I don't think I like this show anymore without Joel

And like we'll see I think they're doing it right I think I think the fact that they were willing to do that shows that they're doing it right Yeah, it'll probably will be good good So I think they'll be wrong. Hopefully they're wrong, but like you do run that risk of like I've been the same thought definitely crossed my mind Yeah, but they've also done enough that they have the grace for the rest of the season total season 3 I'm on a show commit to a thing and do it right then just be like well We're gonna change the story to keep our cash cow in it You know right and like when they killed Ned Stark and Game of Thrones, like, I mean, Pedro Pascal is like,

like Ned Stark became a star on that. You know what I mean? Like Pedro Pascal is like an A-list. But Aaron Bean was a big, he was like, he'd already done GoldenEye. He'd done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying like, he, he never, it was not like, hey, are you guys watching Game of Thrones starring? What's his name? Sean? Sean Bean. Sean Bean. Yeah. It was not, you hey, are you guys watching Game of Thrones starring? What's the name? Sean? Sean Bean. Sean Bean. Yeah, it was not. You know what I mean? This is like I see what you're saying. Pedro Pascal is the last of us. And I will see how I think it's her time to shine now.

Bella Ramsey, like I do think it's a little bit of a weird casting casting thing. And so like some people really don't like that. and if it's now her show and she doesn't like come through for people, and Peter Pascal is gone, you do run the risk. So we'll see. I think that they're going to do it well. I think that that shows that they're committed to like doing the story right. I think Abby is like pretty fucking crazy and a good actress, so I think it'll be fine. But you really, like there's definitely some HBO execs and showrunners and producers who

are like, I hope this is the right call. Like we got a good thing going here. Don't fuck it up. Like that's a hard. That's a really I genuinely think they deserve credit for that because when there's so much money and careers and all that shit on the line, it's a lot easier to just say, let's do like four or five more episodes of Pedro Pascal. Yeah. You know, and there's like, no, I, I, I, I had no idea what to expect last night. We both agreed for season. Episode one was like, it was fine. You know, it did what night We both agreed for season episode one was like it was fine You know it did what I had to do, but it wasn't like you gotta watch this it was like you know If this was episode one, I wouldn't even tell him to get out of the room right right right right right but then

Episode like this kind of this level of episode is reserved for the seven eight the penultimate Yeah, yeah, this is like episode two Yeah, it almost does like harm like like I The Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey stuff his opinion like it is a fact that it's gonna be a hard seven episodes after this eight Episodes like you got it. The bar can't go much higher, you know But yeah, it's that was a that was like I think the last of us has been a good show Kind of living. I don't know if there was I would have called it good before I watched your recap. And then I was like, wait, this is fucking,

I forgot how goddamn awesome this was. I agree. When I was doing it myself, I was like, oh yeah, this, that, that other thing. Every episode had a major thing where I was like, oh yeah, that was awesome. Oh yeah, that was awesome. That's a big deal.

I think, I mean, again, knowing the game is so long, there's like three, four more groups and changes and the show has a lot of room to go. I wonder if it didn't have a game attached to it, like how popular it would be, because it would be just another zombie show then or whatever, but I think that, so good, maybe better than good, episode like that that you start talking like this is you know must see TV

Shit completely again. I loved last of us I After you know in the offseason I was I was like yeah It was pretty good, and then I watched your recap and I was like wait That's what's fucking awesome, and now I'm like it's one of the greatest shows all time Really and it has a lot of potential. I'm obviously very early with that. But I mean, it's I'm as locked in as I can be on you can't you know, whatever We'll see what happens the series but that episode is in arguably like one of the best. Yeah I mean, it's a complete movie. Yeah, how long was it? It must have been cuz I again I felt the same thing like

Yeah, no Going I thought if you would ask me, like if you had given me all of these things that happened in this episode, war in Jackson Hole, Caitlin Devers finally finds Joel, Ellie saves Joel, Joel die, all this stuff, I'd be like, that happens over the course of a season. Yeah.

It was all happening in one episode. One hour and 15 minutes probably. Fucking sick. I'm really excited. I was saying I think we're gonna get a lot of arguments online, is Abby a villain or an anti-hero? And watching the discourse start now, I'm like, I know, I know.

I felt, I said this, I felt this, I done all this. Just wait. It's a tall task on television though, just because in the game you play as both people. And I think when you become someone in a video game, you just naturally, no matter what the storyline is, you're like, don't kill me. I'm the guy.

I'm the guy, yeah. So it's a little different when you're just watching, but I think it's- So in the game you play as Ellie and Abby? Yes. You almost play like two games. You ever play as Joel? The first one.

The first one you're Joel and Ellie is like just behind you. You play as Ellie like a couple scenes here and there, but it's mostly Joel. And then this one, Joel pretty much dies like right away. And you start as Ellie and you play like a whole game. And then you jump to like Abby. And I remember being like, oh, they're going to give you like a couple chapters

at the end as Abby. And it just kept going and going and going I was like I'm playing a whole second game Yeah, fucking nuts, but what happens in that second game is you know very I? Don't know I guess shout out to the last of us community. I didn't know any of that shit I'd like that to me. I knew Abby was an important character I didn't know like she was like someone on the level of it like you play I thought she was like a Kathleen I thought she was like kind of that type. Yeah, no She's like a cover totally it's very I guess I'll say It's like Breaking Bad

With Heisenberg and The Nazis I'll say that like like I don't know if you'll ever forgive Abby for what she did to Joel, but there's other shit that makes you just think differently about Abby. And maybe I just didn't, again, I don't hate Abby. That fucked up and that sucks, all that stuff. But I think most people are just like, I like Joel. I do like Joel.

Joel kinda had it coming. Right, I think most people won't admit that. He's a great dad and a great, he's the man. And you're not thinking about like, well, meh. But it is also, it's a commentary on when the world goes to shit like that. These things start to happen and what's good, what's bad, it's all survival. Joel himself thought Joel kind of had it coming. Right.

He said shut the fuck up and do it. Oh, I loved that. Because that was the one thing Joel kind of had it coming right shut the fuck up And they had it a perfect time I was like enough with the storytelling she was about to start another one I said you know it's funny Just fucking do it She did it though. Yeah, did it man? So yeah put that on your calendar put that that on, like, must-see TV, Sunday nights, always now. I would tell people to go watch, play the game. It's not something that you just do. Like, you're not a gamer.

You're not gonna go play a hundred hours of fucking Last of Us, but it is in the game. It is just as, it's crazy to be playing a video game and like almost be crying. You know what I mean? Like, that's where the show's at. So yeah, I'm happy we're all on the same page these days with White Lotus and Last of Us. Big time. Big time. What do you think about your friends and neighbors?

Oh, what's it gonna get on that? You watch that? Okay. Friends and neighbors while we're on the TV, let's keep it moving. Friends and neighbors is great. But I was saying, I can suspend disbelief for just about anything. Fucking aliens, zombies, whatever you want. Fights, guns, killing, whatever. This portrayal of Jon Hamm as some hapless divorced dad is crazy. Oh! I disagree. I saw your tweet before I watched it and I was like, that might fuck me up.

He's crushing it. I think- No, yes, he's doing a great job, but I'm saying the like rest of the world treating him like this is fucking insane. I don't know what you mean. I haven't got that at all. Like if John Hamm Found some chick fucking another guy and like divorce he would be He would be I mean of course you're upset you have your family have your kids all that shit But like everyone else being like oh, what's his name in the show? I don't even know it's like oh is Coupe yeah, I'm gonna poor cute Coupe the most fucking handsome guy in the world cool

Yeah, but like I mean you walk in on your wife fucking an NBA player you're like yes But everyone else kind of looking at him like oh more cool He's not like he's at the party drinking too much like coupe would be smashing bitches left and right he'd be getting He'd be like the CEO of a new company already. He's the he's John Ham He's got a fucking hammer dick and his most handsome guy in the world, but I I completely disagree So we actually before you guys came in we just said it's awesome being on the same page on everything He is not like some sorry sack well, I don't think he's treated like that. Oh, I do I think everyone's like first of all he's fucking Olivia Munn. Yeah, he's always alright

Yeah, yeah, but even her that bothered me too with it She was like oh here comes like Steve the her husband with like her new boy Phil his new girlfriend It's like you're so much hotter than both of them like but it still just sucks like see again I understand from like their point of view yes, but everyone else kind of being like they're like Olivia like don't worry like you know It'd be like Olivia. Are you fucking insane? You're you're so fucking hot You're fucking John Hamm you guys are good. I think I don't know I I think everyone's kind of acting like like yeah That's a fucking bummer, but you got to get over it kind of deal with the like his business was a manager Yeah, not Lou Lou is the pawn shop woman

But when he's like that speech he gives in the bait in the driveway on episode 3 where he's like look me You just got like it sucks But but it is this is the world we live in both the way he handles the like the new Guy who's fucking his wife is just so funny. Yeah, I'll call you for help if anyone needs to fuck my wife. All those scenes and the guy's just like, you're right. I'm trying to make it work here, but you're right. You know what? I thought episode three was fucking tremendous.

I actually don't know if I'm totally caught up. I think I'm listening to it. Okay, so I'm not going to explain it, but I'm just saying I thought three was really, really, really good. I thought first one and two were really good. I thought three is really really good but the do you know how big John Hammons because I googled it because he looks like a Monster tell me he's one of these guys who's like five seven six one. Okay, he's six one two hundred pounds He looks like he is well, but for Hollywood that is a monster I know but like I'm watching the show because I watched it this weekend with my parents and Hollywood that is a monster. I know but like I'm watching the show because I watched it this weekend with my parents and

When it ended both of them like damn he's a big guy and I went yeah no shit, huh? I was like I guess he's like 6'4 250 6'1 6'1 200 He looked like a professional athlete. I was like like particularly when he gets fired and he's in the hot tub Yeah, that's a beef boy. I mean that's 6 1 200 He's technically like 6 1 1 80 and he has a 20 pound dick. Yeah that uh That when he finds out that there was no actual complaint levied. Yeah Yeah, I mean I would I would actually shoot that off

I would go in there with a gun killer I feel like shows like that like when they're kind of focused on the financial world and stuff like that It's always like this guy's an asshole. But like, he's a lovable asshole or whatever. Jonaham's not even an asshole. He didn't do anything wrong. He did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong. To get fired, he didn't do anything wrong

when he fucked someone at work, he didn't do anything wrong when his wife cheated. Like, he's, you can root for him every step of the way. Which I like that. You know what I loved is the scene in the very beginning when the girl hits on him and he like lays out why they're not gonna work. Very, that awkward moment-esque.

I don't, come on dude. I knew it, I knew it. I knew you would respect that. Come on. I, I, it was. That's exactly what, we're back on the same page. That's exactly what I was thinking. There is part of me, this sounds silly,

to be thinking about in a HBO show or whatever channel it's on with Jon Hamm. But there's part of me that thinks that that writer and producer has watched that awkward moment. I was like, let's have a scene like that. I mean, that was... It's identical. Look, I'm sure someone can go, you fucking idiots think that's from that awkward moment? That's from blank moving.

But from our generation, yeah. From that awkward moment. Yeah, that show is great. I guess I forgot to, like, it's good at doing like the divorce, cheated on, lost my job, like whirlwind of middle-aged life, that I forgot it opens up a pool of blood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when he starts to like rob shit, I was like, oh, that's right. We're technically watching like a crime caper show. Yeah. You know, when he wakes up in the blood and starts to like clean with paper towels. Like, dude, you need to burn that house down. That is a body's worth of blood on a marble floor.

I think that's going to be a good one. That was really, really good. And the last thing I saw this weekend. I haven't stopped thinking about warfare. That that that that is Wait, what is that one again? Um Netflix? No, no, no, it's in theaters. It's an a 24. Yeah, that's Alex Garland who did Civil War which I hated that's right. That's what I was gonna say the guy I made so I hated Civil War when I first saw it. I've since enjoyed it more upon rewatches

This movie is a horror movie. This is this is just war and I were act. Yeah. Yeah This is it's is it just like this is just life in it in war. No, it's one battle and it's all it's like in real time It's like an hour and a half It is like legitimately like I know people like say like war movies can be propaganda and stuff like that This is a horror movie. Meaning like almost the opposite of it being like- At no point is it like this is cool or like let's go boys. Like there's no like uh, you know like in war movies when it's like I just want to get home to my kids, have a barbecue on the 4th of July.

Like there's none of that shit. That's like your life is fucking over. Even if you survive this you're ruined. It is. It's a legitimate, it's a horror movie. Wait in terms of like Gruesome, it's yeah, it's very gruesome, but it's also just like the stress you feel Just like these guys are just fucking pinned down and it is it's not only what crazy is like there's so much crazy about it, but the like the destruction and they did the show the

movie does a good job of showing this of like I don't know I guess I'm very dumb but like when I when I used to think of wars I thought I always thought like when I first learned about World War two right I thought like America and Germany were like yo you're not going to work today we're going to war like I thought like things shut down. And then this is just a functioning town in Iraq. They just take someone's, the kids are there. They're in someone's house and the kids are there.

And it's just a family and the destruction that happens to this town over an hour and a half. Because they keep, the enemies get too close. And then when the enemies are too close, you don't have any more air support, because they can't start shooting. You blow yourself up. They'll hit you too.

So what they start doing, I guess, is they do shows of force, where just like, the fucking jet will just come to like as high as a ceiling, and just fucking buzz by. Just to maybe scare you away. But in I, to hopefully scare the guy. But like that only works once, because then they start realizing,

they're not gonna shoot. They're not gonna do anything. But like when, at supersonic speeds that low like buildings are just falling Yeah, yeah, and I was like and then but they did a great job of being like, you know when they all went out All of them, but when people get out at the end, it's like here's what's left And it's just a fucking pile of rubble and it's like oh god that was like a neighborhood holy shit and then obviously, like what these kids are going through. Dude, the first minute of this movie

is legitimately the best vibes you'll ever have in a movie. It was just them all in front of a TV screen. And particularly because it was 05. It's when I was in high school at a boarding school. So we would do that. It's just 20 dudes around a laptop watching the Eric Pritz call on me video. And they're like call on me! And they're going nuts and then it just hard cuts to like now we're going to war. And it was like it was like it's it's warped it's it's hard to watch but it's

really good. Did you see Sinners yet? Tonight? I missed the hype on Sinners. Me too, I feel like that came out of nowhere. I'd heard about it, I knew it was gonna be good, but I didn't know it was movie of the year good. I've been hearing a lot about it, probably two weeks right before it came out. I was hearing that it wasn't gonna be good,

and then two weeks before it came out, it was like, this is probably the most hyped up movie of all. I'm gonna go in a little skeptical on this one. I feel like Ryan Coogler is the man But he's also in the territory where people are gonna be afraid to say if you didn't do a good job Wait, what do you mean? I just think he's like kind of that Jordan Peele territory We're like people want to like his movies and say that they're genius and shit

So I think no matter what happens they're gonna like see I didn't think who was there yet Well, I think he's there like now. That's what I mean. I thought like this is trade was really good Black Panther was good, but like Bell I haven't seen so that's one but the like, you know created Black Panther both good But they're like action their action movies with but even this one I was surprised like a vampire movie is kind of like I hear a steinfeld is like that's her coming out Yeah, sure. She's already had one. I guess she's like a quarter or an eighth black or something like that. Oh really and so she like Talks and acts like that and I think a lot of people don't realize that so they were like where the fuck did Haley's time Don't they learn how to talk like this?

It's like when Halsey put like that Instagram post yes, yeah, I sure was like you know I think shampoo for black people I'm also always very skeptical of movies that do like a double actor thing, but I guess the technology is kind of like there now and it looks fine. But yeah, people are loving this one. Yeah, I'm jacked. Ryan Gugler's like gangster, dude. Have you seen him? You see him on the Breakfast Club. He is like, I think he's from the Bay or like Oakland, and he's like Kali Yeah, like he talks it dresses it like which I'm sure is an awesome switch up in Hollywood from like the regular cookie cutter shit He rolls in there like a fucking G. You ever seen the video him getting arrested

No, Tim. It's him getting arrested trying to take $12,000 out of Bank of America his own money He's just a black guy trying to get 12 grand out. Can't do that? What are you crazy? You can't do that. It's fucking nuts, dude. Imagine you just went to ask for money from your account, you showed your ID, and they were like, no, we've got a cost on this.

That is some fucking serious racism, bro. That is some real... Coughed and everything? Oh my, I thought it was a misunderstanding. serious racism bro that is so real coughed and everything oh my god was like a misunderstanding like yeah it's such a gangster line just put it in Google that's well grant like that's not even that much it's a lot of money but like yeah you Ryan Kugel is probably like dude I don't even know where this came from yeah you understand I have $12,000 everywhere

Yeah, that's that's a fair point. I've taken out money before like big money and like If you write down like give me the money if you seem like a fucking like a you know put the money in the bag Yeah, but if you say like out loud like hey, I do $20,000 and you put it in the machine And you know people are either looking at you or following you or whatever there is some validity to that You say out loud, hey, I need $20,000, and you put it in the machine, and you're like, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, gah, and people are either looking at you or following you or whatever. There is some validity to that. I can understand if someone puts a mask on

and is like, put the money in. You know? But, I mean, there's a big leap between that and call the police. And then there's a big leap from the police. I thought the police would come and be like, this is a misunderstanding. Not comfortable to put you in the car.

The truth, that was, like literally, that was me. We would figure that out in five seconds. I thought the police would come and be like this is a misunderstanding right not come here like what are the juice that? Would like literally that was me we would figure that out in five seconds five. I would not be in handcuffs. Yeah, yeah Okay, it's about to be summer It's it's spring weather's warming up City's gonna start stinking like body odor and do not be part of the problem. Be part of the solution with cremo shaving cream. You deserve freedom from sweat and stink and cremo deodorant is designed to provide men with 48 hour odor protection. Once every other day. Come on. Cremos products are all Barbara grade and made with pride,

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Yeah. New Bronco. Yeah. It's actually the outer banks Banks Bronco has like the interiors a little bit uh, it's the Outer Banks like the TV show Outer Banks like the Outer Banks I think it's like the Outer Banks like the place I think you know Actually what I read and this is actually perfect for me because there was some people chirping me that they were like you didn't even get the Sasquatch package or something that there's like all these different ones and There's ones that are like this is for off-roading. This is for like if you're gonna go drive like in the mountains yeah the Outer Banks is for luxury it's got like a nicer interior and and all that kind of shit so and I got it in the Azure gray it's like a gray blue steel blue type

color fucking sick where'd you get that? Oh shit. I got it on Saturday. No, it's the- do- A-Z-U-R-E- It's that one, it's the- the uh, like, kinda like bluish one right there, yeah. Um... Not one above it. Um... I've always been a...

Cheapest car, point A to point B kind of guy. And uh, not that this is like a fucking Lamborghini or anything, but I think it's a cool car and It is it a roofless. Yeah, that's hard. It's a hard top so I can take it off That's it. It does take like tools and you have to like fold it up and put it away you My kids were like what and I was like when we reach like the summer and I know there's like 10 straight days of no rain, I will take it off. But I ain't doing this back and forth shit, you know?

My brother had a Wrangler. Yeah, it was a similar situation. And it was like, I think he took it off like twice. Yeah, I'll do it for a game. For myself, I'll probably never do it for the kids. I'm at the beach. Whatever. I'll do it. But man, I got it from the, there's this Ford dealership, All American Ford in Old Bridge, New Jersey. And they drove

it to me for a test drive and then delivered it to the house. So I didn't have to go to Jersey, I didn't have to go to the dealership. They brought all the paperwork, signed it, I was like, I don't know if I can ever go back to regular life now. Is that typical for them or is that just because you're somebody? I think, yeah, I think they were hooking it up because of Barstool. I don't think they'll do that for everybody. But my man Jason Savino is the sales guy there and this guy Mark was the one who delivered everything.

So right now they're doing an employee pricing through June 3rd. So they told everybody all the stoolies to come through if you're in the area. And I think they're're like the best I think Broncos are still pretty hard to come by and I think they get like the most Broncos in the tri-state area. It's fucking cool yeah, and it was cool to like like the guy told me he was pulling up and I told the kids like let's go outside and Like they were like what? No, what is it ours? Can I get in I was like it was a cool moment It's a new car. Yeah I get in? I was like it was a cool moment as a new car Yes, and they just they drove the new one took the old one away This is fucking sweet, but I you know like the Ford Explorer is like not a lame car

But it's just a car and before that I had like Hyundai's and fucking Toyotas. Just like regular ass cars What's the cheapest monthly payment you could possibly have? And so it's cool to like, even this one, it's a little smaller than my other car and I was like, it's not the most practical for what I need right now, but I was like, fuck it, let's go. So yeah, we're going to have the top down for the summer and cruise around in a little blue Bronco. We're going to name it. I got to name it. So what do you, if you have any ideas for the name, let me know what you think. What our ideas don't matter.

Keegan's name in this question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna see what the people come up with. We've already kicked around a couple names and I think we already know what it is. They also hooked me up with the like black, black on black rims, which is cool. I never thought I'm like,

I would never be a rims guy either, but they were like, we'll give you the black rims like free of. I never thought I would be a rims guy either, but they were like, we'll give you the black rims free of charge and I was like, okay. And then it pulled up and I was like, that does look pretty cool. Rims are like the little silver things. Yeah, like the hubcaps if you will.

It's funny, that's like a generational thing. Oh, rims were a big deal. If I say 20 inch rims to you, does that not mean anything? Every wrapper, whatever you buy your car You just get whatever like rim or hubcap comes on it, and then rappers would get 20 inch rims that like there's like this much tire left It almost like takes up like the whole tire and it was 20 and then 22 and then like 24

Yeah, like you had there was like if you hit like a pothole your shit. Yeah, then you like you don't know about spinning rims That's like three well our stops the way I go in oh man Dope when I was in high school rims were like Not like not even like like when I like high school in my public school like when I was a freshman Kids were going nuts about it and like yeah people would be saving up like tons of money to put rims on like they're And like, people would be saving up like tons of money to put Rims on like their fucking Nissan Altima and stuff like that.

It was, Rims were a fucking cultural thing. I don't know if that's just like gone by the wayside with like the entire genre of rap. I don't know, all of this shit's just gone now, but man, yeah, big Rims. You had Rims and a fucking speaker system in your car? You're getting fucked. You're late, dude.

I did not have Rims. I did do that. I don't have like some crazy system in the car? You're getting fucked. You're lying, dude. I did not have rims. I did do that. I don't have some crazy system in the car or anything, but I went in there and I just turned the bass all the way up, and Shay was playing music and it was thumping in her back, and she was like, what's this? I was like, that's bass, honey. It's all about that bass. No treble.

That's probably what we were playing. Talking about my black rims and my new car system. I play Megan trainer Yeah, that's uh It's it's feels a little different when you get into a car that you're like. It's kind of cool. Yeah Yeah, get a couple people looking at it a little bit a necessary purchase or a treat yourself purchase I mean like my lease was up. Yeah, it's time for a new car. Is this lease or you bought it? Yeah, at least it. I'm a lease guy. I I don't know what the difference is. I mean, I know the difference is well You don't own it. You know you give it back. Yeah, but what's the difference between owning something and not owning it?

Well, it's kind of like renting versus buying and it's like, you know, you pay you're paying money for something You don't own at the end. Yeah, I People always get mad at me like my friends like why don't you buy a place? I'm like, I don't know I rent the place Who gives a fuck? People always get mad at me like my friends like no, I don't you buy a place. I'm like, I don't know I rent the place bro. I think the world is actually flipped on that especially now that it's impossible to buy right and it's like You don't you know, you have a super who takes care of everything. You're not you're not paying interest You're not you know, like Sometimes it is sickening especially in New York if you like rent for like a decade and you look at like how much money you put Down paying for something and it's like you just have nothing to show

Yeah but if I fucking look at how much money I spent on food I got nothing to show for that either You're a liar, yeah you're a roof Yeah I mean I trust me I think there was a time where it was like this is stupid because if you just save a little bit of money you have a down payment and there's good rates so you can get a house now it's like it's impossible Yeah are you well are you buying a house in a place I don't want to live? Right. Well, I'm glad I do that. More importantly, it's like, I think you gotta put way more money down and the rates are bad and you're gonna pay tons a month anyway and it's like for, you know,

yeah, living in like a shitty starter home, so just rent. In a neighborhood that I have no interest in, like, I don't know, I like living in New York, so I'll pay to rent a place here. Yeah. People who like buy a house when they don't have like a family and kids and shit It's insane But I you know some people like to buy their car like I'm the total opposite I'm like I'm probably gonna run this into the ground I want my style like I'm gonna need something new you know something bigger something smaller something different like whatever I'd rather switch it up Yeah, yeah,, I get that

But yeah, so I'm in the Bronco family. They were asking me what color and I was like any white ones Wonder if they make any white They discontinued it for like 20 years But I don't think there's any white ones that white Bronco is like kind of the hottest car I mean it's pretty white ones. The white, that white Bronco is like kind of the hottest car. I mean, it's pretty dope. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

Maybe you should name it after. I was thinking if I just called my car OJ. Or just like the juice. The juice. The juice. That's not bad. Not bad, we're gonna have a contest. Best name that my, that I will,

my kids are gonna name this, but everyone else give me the best name. What else we got? I was home this weekend and I had a moment where you like, you just get like realize what you are to people. And my mom was like midnight on Saturday night and my mom calls me into the kitchen and she just goes, fridge is really full. I got to get stuff in there for Easter. Can you just eat some stuff?

Do your thing and do what you do boy. I was like, just take out what in there for Easter. Can you just eat some stuff? Do your thing. And do what you do, boy. I was like, just take out what you want me to eat, I'll eat it. And so, at like, it was like 1 a.m., I had a chicken pot pie, baked beans, and half a sweet potato. And I was just like, oh, I'm literally just a garbage disposal. I was gonna say, you're a human garbage disposal. Just mix it up with air. I was like, just take out what you want, I'll eat it. I don't even like it, but I'll

just fucking eat it. I was sitting there with like half a chicken pot pie mixing beans. I was like, what am I eating? Like people on the fucking Oregon Trail ate better than this. That's been a similar business idea of mine is just like instead of like just eating people's leftovers for, but you pay them. So I would like, you know, you call up, it's like Uber and you call up a guy and you say, hey, like I have like extra chicken left if you want it.

They pay you like a little bit of money, but that's you paying for food. pay you like a little bit of money but that's you paying for food so you're getting money for... So you're like a professional chef? No it would not be like... No. You're paying the people that eat it? The people that eat it do pay you so it's a little bit of an opposite Uber but they're paying for food at a fraction of the cost. Yeah. And you're getting rid of leftovers. It's like you get money back for goodwill.

But what are we talking about? Are we talking about I couldn't finish my Big Mac? Or are we talking about you cooked food for the family? It's whatever you want. Probably you have leftovers. You cooked food for the family. It would be severely rock bottom You pay strangers for their scraps

There are people at that level But that's like like I think it's sometimes Jackie. You don't want to have a car communicate. Hey you are a quarter of a chicken nugget Like like sometimes I don't even I don't even take home leftovers from restaurants when it's my food and like, quality food. I'm like, I don't want to carry this out, I'm good. To just be like, hey, do you want to come over? I have like, there's a quarter of a chicken parm left that my family didn't eat. And you're like, yeah, sure, I'll be there with 20 bucks. And that's fucking gross. You bring it to me? Nah, I'm not gonna bring it to you, you gotta come get it.

That feels more like when you say like, I've got this old desk and you can have it if you want it. No cost, but you gotta come pick it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's almost like, I gotta get rid of this food. You can eat it. You charge people for your scraps. Yeah. Whew.

That's what we call a girl's idea. Where like, where it's bad. No, no, no. What I meant is where people aren't disgusted by me. No one's eating half my sandwich. Like, you gotta have a picture of me next to it. It's just like, y'all want half of this guy's sandwich? No, I don't want it.

That guy's mouth, his mustache, and all of that? No, I'm good. Like, oh, Jackie, y'all have Jackie's chicken nuggets. I think you should just call the app Scraps. Yeah. Like Scrap, like A-P-P, like Scrapping an app. Oh my god. And there you go, Scrap. Scrap app. Yeah, Scrap app. And then people just come to you and you can do it for anything. You can do it for their leftover food. You can take like my old clothes, hand me downs, just take my shit. You can bang me, you can do whatever you want. You get my food in my holes. Me casa and my mother.

Oh man. Do you guys do Easter? Yeah? You do it still? Yeah. I was wondering if like that that that holiday sucks so much dick. Easter sucks. I was. But like for the kids ideally the bunny in the baskets. But I was like if you don't have any kids this shit is stupid. I wouldn't even celebrate it dude I was driving home Friday rushing to get to the engagement party and had insane traffic What is this I was calling my mom? I said what the fuck I was like I've been in traffic for like four hours Yeah, literally took me six hours to drive home. I was having just sitting in traffic I'm like yeah, well these things what the fuck gives a shit about that? I'm crazy. She's like the most of the world. A billion people. Which also brings me to

CONCLAYS! All right Pete, Pope Francis really got on his Catholic shit dying on Easter Monday Went home from the hospital on a Friday died on Easter On Easter Monday is some pretty you know Godly shit right there. You missed the Pope dying? You're going to hell. No, it was like this morning.

It was like 5 a.m. Okay. So now it's on. So now we have nine days of morning. And so between 15 and 20 days, we'll have Conclave. You get about two weeks for people to travel and get their affairs in order. But it can't be any later than 20 dude We're almost get so jacked up when a priest dies cuz like tourism, you know, you know, it's even more than that is the

cities of the Pope's of the Cardinals if your guy becomes Pope your city like flourishes Oh, because everyone travels there to see where Pope Francis is from So like there's a lot riding on this for beyond just the church. There are cities across the world. Yeah, economically speaking. Particularly for like, I imagine a lot of countries like popes come from. Totally. South American countries, some of these European spots, smaller spots where it's like the church

will be big, the tourism, their house, their neighborhood, all that shit really matters. So apparently Spain and Japan are seriously seriously stopping like nighttime drinking or maybe just Spain. But Japan also is trying to have less tourism, but nighttime drinking in Spain because it's too many tourists. Really? So like what's some way to get rid of them? And it's by like. You can't drink? You can't like between the hours of like 12 a.m. And. You got like a ticket? I don't know. I think it's like fine. I haven't read, I read like two sentences.

But that's just crazy. And it's a good way to stop tourism. Totally, I'm not going to begin right here. So yeah, we'll see who's- Who are the favorites, Pat? I saw a couple other names when I had made my video. Those guys are still on the list. It's really, Pietro Parolin is like the main guy.

He's Italian, he's the Secretary of State at the Vatican, so he's second in command. He is, you know, being Italian is a big leg up. There's a guy, that guy, the Filipino guy is Luis Tanguy. I want an Asian or a black guy. The black pope would be so sick Yeah, there's two guys one is uh and bongo from the Congo. He is I think he's the odds on favorite from Africa There's that and Peter Turks and who was like the last guy he was he was he was had good good odds last time, too

Those are two African popes who would be fucking sick black pope white smoke him Black black pope it yourself the bonds. Let's fucking switch it up. Yeah, let's go. But yeah, this guy Luis Antonio Tagle is the odds on favor right now. He's from South America. He is pretty liberal. A lot of people, the big debate is whether if you have a liberal pope you want to go with a conservative one afterwards or vice versa. So some people are thinking that it's gonna swing back and get, you know, pretty, pretty tight. But I don't know, I just, it's gonna be this guy, Parolin, Pietro Parolin is like... Oh, dude.

I know, I don't want some fucking... I wanted a fucking black quarterback last year, I didn't get that. Dude, black pope would be so fire. I'm stuck with Drake May's white ass. Black Pope would be so cool. Have we had a black pope? No, no black popes, no American popes. We have we have a outside chance. There's a guy from St. Louis. I can't remember his name. He is a conservative pope from St. Louis, a conservative cardinal from St. Louis. He's our only shot He is a conservative cardinal from St. Louis. He's our only shot at an American. And that guy, Mark Ouellet, is from Canada.

Those are the only two guys from North America that even have a shot. The rest is, there's a Hungarian guy, Peter Erdo. He is, Hungary is considered the gap between the connection between Europe and Africa. I think it's like right there, like physically. And if you can get, if all the Cardinals, if all the Cardinals in Europe and Africa vote your way, you win basically. So they're thinking like Hungary is a good spot to get the European and African vote because then it doesn't matter what happens in North, South America, everyone else.

But Europe is going to go, I think, to Pietro. Like I think anybody from Italy is gonna go with their man But there was some quote from a cardinal last time that said like we were convinced we knew oh he was saying Everybody said there was there will never be a Jesuit Pope There's no way that happens and Pope Francis was Jesuit. So this guy's point was like we don't know what the fuck we're talking Yeah, there's something there's some new rule. Oh also Pope Francis has over his tenure, appointed two-thirds of the cardinals now have been appointed by him, which I guess is a pretty high number. So, all of these people, a lot of these guys are indebted to

Francis and probably like him because they got their position through him. So, they're thinking a lot of people will vote in the same vein as him, you know. So that's an interesting wrinkle that it's like a lot of these people feel like, you know, they are pro Francis because he got him the gig. Right. And they were I think he was installing a lot of liberal and progressive guys like along the way. So he kind of stacked the deck for liberal popes to come. I read a nice quote from him today that he likes to think of hell as empty which is very non-pope like most of the non-pope things he does. But he's like I think it's empty.

Nobody's there. It's all just. I mean he's like again he's like I like to think of it I don't think he like he's like I believe it's empty. I'll tell you who's there is most of your peers bud. Yeah yeah. There was a lot of frocked gentlemen down there. I don't think he like he's I believe I'll tell you who's there is most of your peers, but yeah Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of frocked gentlemen down there

it's not empty but there's a I saw some quote that was like a lot of the Cardinals like that one of their main concerns is How the new pope will handle sexual abuse in the church and like there's a lot of guys who are still like We don't want a pope was gonna make a big deal out of that Like there's a lot of guys who are still like, we don't wanna pope is gonna make a big deal out of that. Jesus fucking Christ. They view it as like letting like secular people into the church. They want it to be like the church is the church. It's like, well, this is one time where I think

we should maybe let the regular world in on this. Just stop the kid raping. Banging kids is church business. Yeah, right. I do get the idea of like, family, what happens here stays here. Not the kid magic. Yeah, right. I do get the idea of like, family, what happens here stays here. Not the kid next. Yeah, yeah.

So we'll see. Can you actually place bets? On like offshore, you know, like none of the legit spots, but yeah, the offshore ones will do it. And there was something else about, they said that the way the Cardinals are run now is very like secluded. Like I can't remember why they said this,

but the result was you're not like around each other as much. So there's not as much like relationships between Cardinals anymore, where it would be like, oh, I'm a Fidelberg guy. Oh, I'm a Jackie guy. It's kind of like everyone's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically. Maybe COVID fucked it up.

Whatever it was, it became very like, I'll vote for whoever I want. But so yeah, within the next couple weeks, we'll get Conclave. I'm gonna have to get like some sort of, I need to get like some smoke bombs or something. Making videos, lighting up black smoke and white smoke. And I cover the shit out of this Conclave.

So stick around for all your Conclave needs and all your Pope voting news. I got you covered on this I think I might be the foremost authority on this you're up there. I mean, I don't know anybody There was like some legit like Religious like accounts tweeting me and posting me like thanks for this. I needed this You're a fucking like church account I You're a fucking like church account. What's going on here? I assume I like, like, I feel like the way that they do the,

the smoke is kind of fun and it makes it so much more. Listen, the one thing you can knock the Catholics for a lot of stuff and the bads certainly outweigh the goods. But the pageantry is second to me. The music, the architecture, the dress, the presentation, this, like they smoke it, no pun intended. The history of it, right?

Even America, we got 200 years, this, I got thousands of years of history. Some of the proverbs and the quotes and the songs are just like, yeah man, fuck you. But if they had that, I still think that tax day if they had some more Patentry to that people be like so much more excited about it about tax day taxes Like it's kind of like let's all do it, you know Like they should give you a day off of work

So at the very least you think all right tax days a day off Or yeah, so I also you start to associate with positives. You know yo, you know what's crazy I was thinking about the episode the other day when you're like John's the most pro tax person alive I Think at least some of that is from the fact that I was what do you call it like indoctrinated? As a kid your dad dad? My dad. Yeah. Pay your taxes. Like every, every fucking thing he gave me, he takes them. And he'd go, tax man.

Like friday. Like every like he'd bring me a cupcake. He'd take a big bite. Tax man. Just the way it goes. Like, yeah, someone bigger and stronger than me takes what they want. I get what's left. It's like that's life. I'm like, yeah, someone bigger and stronger than me takes what they want, I get what's left. That's life. That's life, baby. I think there could be though, like if there was a big meal that you always ate, like turkey

Thanksgiving, you know what I mean? If it was like on tax day, we all eat filet mignon. You know, on tax day you have this big delicious Italian meal and you get off of work and like your wife fucks you. Everybody has sex on tax day. Like all these things. Like yeah, you're going to get whacked by the government. But also, not some bad shit.

That's not a bad idea. Put that one in the communicate bucket and not the scrap app bucket. Those are definitely separate. Yeah, I think if Hallmark got on it a little bit, we were cooking with something. Working on fire. Get some candy, get some gifts. Tax it, I owe, I have been paying California taxes this whole time. That's good though, because if you get it cleared up, they'll pay you back. Yeah, this time I owed like 8,000, I was like, if you could find 8,000 of my dollars, you

could have it, but it's not gonna be there. I don't know how you think you're gonna get that. But like, how bad is it? Good luck IRS. That's, yeah, that's, I feel a lot of people are in that boat probably. But anyways, but yeah, I would be a lot happier about them getting over it. We gotta fix this mic, right? It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. The chairs and the mics are just broken here and we just do the episode as is every time.

Alright, next episode we'll do some voicemails with whoever sit on the couch with us from Barstool. We're going to get back to voicemails. We've been slacking on those, but right now an interview with one of our all-time greats, one of our best interviews we've had him on a couple of times now. Dean Norris, you know him as Hank from Breaking Bad. He's now in Law and Order. And also John runs through his resume just second to none.

He's one of the greatest Hollywood resumes of all time. It's crazy. And he's just the man. It's like every major show of the last 30 years. He's at least done an episode of it. Dude sat right down. It was probably 11 something when we interviewed him. He had a midnight bean martini with me.

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just this this side there. I actually just it's it's my thing that I created. I just came out with it last week. Oh shit. Really? Yeah. I was drinking these espresso martinis like 15 years ago before anybody you know before it was like a craze and now it's kind of the most popular cliche drink. You know that bean espresso martini. But it's a pain in the ass when you order it, they gotta make the espresso, they got all this,

this is all, it's in there. You just shake it up, it foams up nicely, it's, yeah. You don't even need a cup. Yeah. There's one touch that right from the bottle, baby. We gotta have one of those, right? Can we do that on air or is that nuts? If you want one, I will shake you one up.

If you're gonna have one with me. Absolutely. I didn't have my coffee yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll get a shaker, some ice and some glasses. We had this rain to brow last time you were on. I was gonna say. I had a midnight bean this time.

A midnight bean. Dude, I love a man who will drink. You know it's the PM, right? It It's the midnight bean. Dude, I love a man who will drink. You know it's piece of the PM, right? Fuck yeah. It's past 12. We're good, right? We're late as far as I'm concerned, man. Yeah, fuck it.

We're happy to have you back in, man. We are TV junkies, and you're the man. Thanks. I'm glad you said that, because I have a question for you, Dean Norris. I'm sure it's a question you've been asked before but I want to preface this for the listeners before Yeah, I ask you the question now Where are we right here? Okay. Okay. I'm gonna ask you. Yeah, what's the best show you've ever been on? And now I'm good. Well, first of all, if you're gonna pick one of those two, you can't pick one of the two

You got to pick one One there's obviously one. Okay, it's Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad, yeah. Okay, now, the list. The list. And there's obviously, your filmography is much bigger than this. This is what I was like, well, they belong in the conversation. Yeah. NYPD Blue, married with children, X-Files, Nash Bridges, ER, Walker, Texas Ranger, Boston Public, 6 Feet Under, JAG, 24, CSI, West Wing nip tuck raise anatomy breaking bad

bones lost true blood criminal minds key and peel American dad unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt big bank theory claw scandal better cost all superstore curb your enthusiasm that's brother brother it would be easier to make a list of shows you have I mean I knew you were prolific, but that's crazy. I know, man. I did shit. I like to work, man. Dude, and now getting to add law and order to the mix is like, that's, you know, you have checked a lot of things off your bucket list, but that feels like, you know, right up your alley.

Oh, man. It's, you know, first of all, I have some history with Chris Maloney. We did an independent movie about 10 years ago. Of course you did. So, yeah. We did an independent movie about 10 years ago. Of course you did. So he and I have been buddies and we just had such a great chemistry on this show. We played used car salesman and we just wanted to work together.

And all of a sudden I get a call saying, hey, they want you for Maloney's brother. I'm like, pfft. So it's been great because he's just great to work with and we just have a blast because we you know, we kind of Kind of you know, we have a kind of a shorthand because we like each other and have been you know Yeah, so it's almost like right right right that chemistry is probably valuable, right? Yeah, it's got to be a lot easier to be on a set with someone you know Yeah, especially if you're playing a brother, you know, Yeah, yeah, because then it all feels natural. Yeah.

Yeah. I actually go to the same gym as Christopher Malone. Oh, do you? I've never talked to him, but I watch him work out. He's a beast. Yeah, he is a fucking beast, man. He's a beast, dude. Yeah, he is.

He likes to stretch a lot. Yes, dude. Like in public, too. He's always doing shit, and I'm like, what is he even doing in the corner over there? Yeah, he's doing shit like this. Oh, you've been at a bar with him. He puts his thing on the fucking bar and like what the fuck man

fucking like down What do you want Dean? Oh Look at that is are we on air? Are we on air? Yeah. Yes, sir. Look at that. Shall receive. Yeah.

I love it. Coffee, bean, midnight bean. Midnight bean. That's my man. Midnight bean. Shake it up, make it nice and cold, nice and frothy. Oh, nice. This is natural, by the way.

People like that. Yeah, we just had to have Burke Kreischer, and he wanted one as well. It's like, I'm not forcing all these people to do this. They want them. They're delicious. I asked. How did Schraderbrough is still going? It's like I'm not forcing all these people to do this. They want them. They're delicious. I asked. How did Schrader Brau is still going?

I have a restaurant bar in California. And right now that's the only place you can get it. We got it on draft. What's the name of that? It's called the Swinging Cafe. Hell yeah. And that's in Temecula, right? Temecula, California, right. Do you know, obviously I'm sure you know the history of Temecula.

Yeah. Like the internet lore of it. I don't know if you would know that. Oh. There's a, well like an internet fight happened. What? Yeah, it was on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve. Like 10, 15 years ago, I forget exactly how long it long was but it was just like a Twitter dumb thing yeah

And it was two guys it was two guys in California arguing about Kobe Bryant And it was like who's like I forget is Kobe the goat or something yeah Yeah, and they were arguing on the internet like a lot like yeah It was everyone was following along and then finally one guy was like fuck it meet me in Temecula. We're fighting what? One of the guys drove to Temecul macula and the other guy didn't show up. He's like you said meet me in Temecula Yeah, let's walk into the baby I hear Temecula that is the first yeah S&L thing like someone someone some some girl. She's like I'm so and so from Temecula. Oh, yeah

Yeah, right. Yeah, I don't know why that's kind of way random, but. It's good to see. I don't want to make you drink alone. Yeah, no, I wouldn't do that. You gotta share. I would do that to you. Nice kicks, man. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Oh, man. Yeah.

There we go. Are you a coffee guy, a martini guy? I'm both. Both? All right. That's why this works. That's what I got. Cheers. Cheers, brother. Cheers. To health, wealth, and happiness. Coffee guy a martini guy. I'm both Brother cheers to health wealth and happiness. Hey, close your eyes Give me honest review. What do you think? That's great. Yeah, I love it. Yeah It's awesome. So that's yours, huh? Yeah, that's a great idea. I mean like just came out like we could go We're trying to you know sure we get an all. Actually, if you'd like to stock it at the Swingin' Cafe,

we'd love to have you. We might do that. I have Brian's, you know, those hombres there. Yeah, put me next to him. Put me next to him and Aaron. That's a pretty good. Yeah, that's, and we serve, we have a Heisenberg drink, you know, it's a blue kind of a thing.

Very cool. With the little rock candy on top of it. Yeah, that's great Yeah, why did you guys buy that was it about three years ago three years ago? I was gonna say there a hundred years been 1927 shit. Yeah, and it was a little diner still is a little diners got like 50s like the booths are too fucking small, you know and But then I introduced it was only for breakfast and lunch, so I introduced a barbecue as a dinner. And it's been just smoking.

I mean, yeah, we have like 20 foot, two 20 foot smokers and one like 15 foot smoker, and they're going nonstop, man. Wow. Crank out the brisket and the, ah, so good, my guy. What made you decide, like, you and your wife, I wanna run an inn or a restaurant?

I feel like usually those are tough businesses. I feel like they either rock it or they're, you know. And this one was already an established business, which was nice, and then all I had to do was come up with some dinner, because it's like in this old town of Temecula where all the tourists go, it's right on the main drag of that kind of thing, you know.

I just wanted to have an investment in my local community kind of thing, you know. And I had two kids that are working there thing, you know. I just wanted to have an investment in my local community. Kind of thing, you know. And I got two kids that are working there now, you know. Put them to work. Make them earn their key. Yeah, you're retired and just giving out cash. Yeah, yeah. I started them all in the dish washing pit, you know.

Teach them right. Yeah. How old are they? One is just got the- Three and four. Yeah. Get to work! Fuck that. Anyway, 22 and 19. I just, I'm introducing the idea of like allowance and chores and whatnot to my son right now. I don't think he's quite getting it. No you do the chores first and then you get it.

Yeah, that's where I made the fatal mistake He was a plays roblox on yeah on PlayStation that you can buy things within it different Right outfits all that shit, and I I bought it for him first and then said you have to do the chores Yeah, would not recommend I'll get to it, but I gotta go play with my shit. Yeah Learning as we go here The I started in like a dishwasher pit yeah at my uncle's restaurant when I was a kid yeah I was younger than your children I was probably like 16 or 15 and I watched a man cut his finger off one day whoo that was a problem Yeah, that'll do it

Put you off that job That was my first very first at 14, was a dishwasher, like a lake and resort kind of place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 14 years old. I was working at my father, my family owned a coffee shop that was in a subway vestibule on 53rd Street. Oh wow.

So there was a cobbler, a bodega, an art framing. These things had almost been drug fronts, because I was like, who the fuck is buying their frames in the subway? In the fucking subway. But we had a coffee shop that was like right there with all the foot traffic, so like from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. was just like go, go, go.

It was, I remember I sliced my finger, cutting open a bagel, bled everywhere. Tried to still serve the bagel to the girl. I said to her, I promise I didn't get any blood on it, and she said, I think I want a new one. It's strawberry sauce. It was a little jelly. It was just a little jelly.

When did you, what was your big break? What would you call your big break? Well, it's funny, because there's different definitions. I was talking to somebody earlier. I said the equalizer, which got me my SAG cart. So at the time, that was the best job I ever had. Sure, so that's a big one. Yeah, it was here in New York,

and that gave me some money to head off to California so I could sleep on another couch for 200 bucks. And how old were you for that? I was back from Europe, I was about 25, 24, 25. And then in LA, what I consider my first break because it got me out of being a waiter was Lethal Weapon 2. Yeah, so I had a couple months, I'm waiting tables,

and the call come, this would be, I guess would it be before cell phones? I don't know. I got a call from the, hey Dean, you got a call, right? So my agent's like, yeah, you got it. I'm like, really, how much? I'm like, what the fuck? I'm making 500 bucks a week as a waiter.

Is that like a lump, is that like upfront? No, it's per week. It's like a weekly thing. I was like, are you sure? That took my weight, my thing off. Here you go. See you later. That burger's going over there, and that That burgers going over there

I'll see you guys at the premiere. That's the dream man You're waiting and bartending and doing shit with all people who are trying to yeah trying to have that call and like I got the Call I got the see you later. Yeah, we're friends, but I'll never talk to you And that's back in the day when they would take months to do a movie. Now they do it in a fucking eight month. And that job lasted for like, it just kept going. And I was like, every week I was getting a paycheck that I never thought I could get.

Sure, that's amazing. And then was it steady from there on out? Yeah. Then I got a heart to kill, total recall. It just kept coming from there. And then obviously Breaking Bad was a different another level. It's a different level. Yeah. But what is that like, like when, because I imagine like my introduction to you was Breaking Bad.

Yeah. Obviously there's been many, many other things before. What is that like when you kind of break through and become so recognizable and everyone's like, oh, he's a success. I've been a success. Yeah. You're like, I've been a success for 20 years, however long it was. Yeah. Like, is it, is it, do you take that as an insult, or do you just know what's coming?

No, it was great, man. I always describe it, some people go, hey, I went from 0 to 60. I'm like, I went like 30 to 60. I was cruising at around 30, maybe 35. Then that kind of kicked into a different level. 30's going to get you there. 30's going to get you there. I'm honestly not that much faster. it to a different level. 30's gonna get you there. 30's gonna get you there. 30's gonna get you there. And obviously not that much faster.

It's like, you know, 10 minutes. Very safe. Yeah. I drive 55 in the middle lane. There you go, man. There you go. We hear that a lot with comedians who are, you know, comedians do tend to have that moment

where they pop, but it could be 20 years after, you know, doing open mics and all that bullshit. So they're like, ah, I've been working at this. You know, it's not like I just stumbled into it. Right, right, right. You know, you get lucky, you get a break, but you earned your way there, you know. It's not like I just stumbled into it. Like, you know, you get lucky, you get a break, but you earned your way there, you know. Yeah.

But Breaking Bad also didn't, I would say didn't really go like, until like the, almost the final season, really go. You know, right? Absolutely. So the first, let's say, three seasons of that, are you, you're kind of doing it like, all right, it's good, it's a paycheck, it's A&E, whatever, or.

AMC. AMC, sorry. Are you like, are you like? Did you guys have faith that it would pop or you know what I mean like we didn't really know You know it luckily was on AMC, and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing Because we would have been canceled They had mad man is anything they had so people were like let's have two big ones But back in the day, it was like channel 355. Yes, yes, yes.

Or something like that, you know? As a kid, I remember being like, hey, what's up with this? Like, what the hell is this? Like, we're bad watchers, this shit. Yeah, right, American Movie Channel. Yes, yeah. So we knew that it was good.

What helped us is that early on, people in the business really loved it. Before the general public was on it, directors and producers and writers were like, fuck, this is so good. So that gave us encouragement. And then on the third season is when Netflix picked it up. And that changed the whole trajectory of the thing.

I don't think I realized that. So that was what made it go mainstream. Yeah, and Netflix, at one point it was like 30% of their streaming. And that's when they realized they needed to produce their own shit, right? So that's when they started doing house of cards and horror thing and something else and that shot them They used those guys like Reed Hastings and those guys used to come to our little parties You know our little our little rap parties or something at the end of the season

See those guys like should have fucking bought the stock, right? Yeah I didn't realize that you guys preceded break, House of Cards. Yeah. That's crazy. That's known as their first original thing. Right. But that was all because of you guys.

But in the term, they coined the term binge watching when it got on Netflix and people started, you know, watching it, binge watching it. No, you guys invented binge watching. We did. Before that we called it depression. Yeah, we called that nothing else to fucking do. We called that unemployed.

I unemployed watch, very bad, that's how it is. Yeah, and that's why it got big during COVID is like the second breath of the show. It got huge during COVID, because everybody's watching. I always say, like, I'm so jealous of people who I find out are watching it for the first time. It's the ultimate, like, I just wish I could,

men in black, erase my brain and go back and watch that again. For whatever reason, I remember, I was on that from day one. I remember, I used to have a blog, a tiny blog before I did any of this. And I remember putting up a post being like, check out this show, I think it's gonna be good.

And I remember I was watching it on an iPod touch. I was commuting from school and I was like, all over it from the very beginning. And so when it really popped, I felt like, you know, when a band goes poppin'. Like, I've been telling you guys, isn't that so? And that's what happened when, between the fifth and the sixth,

I called it fifth and sixth, they called it five A and five B. Why's that? They tried to fuck us on Monday. I know why. I know why. Yeah, we know. We know it's the same season. It's just a year apart.

That's such bullshit. Such bullshit. And we got, Brian actually, Krantz was the kind of the leader on that, and said, no, no, no. We all get our bumps that we're supposed to give for the next season. But let's just make one 150 long episode season.

Yeah, yeah. And we're like, nah. But between that fifth season where I discovered on the toilet thing, right? And that final season, that was when it was like the fucking Rolling Stones for about six months. Which I'm so happy that you guys at least got that because yeah We've talked to people who have had shows with like it really was not big when we were on so it was just a job Yeah, then became a cult classic or whatever afterwards, but to get a little taste of that at the same time

It was nice man. We'd have like four bodyguards going into comic-con person, you know That's also a crancy one of the comic-concon as Walter White that's right. Yeah, that's right Yeah, that was actually a ten-year anniversary of the of the original show. Okay. We went back to comic-con Yeah, and in San Diego, and that's when he wore the mask Yeah, so you said something interesting there that I thought or I thought was interesting when you were talking about how like directors loved it And writers loved it stuff. I feel like that's how do you see in the studio on Apple TV right now? Yeah, I can't wait though.

It's, I feel like everyone kind of has the same response, we're like people who watch TV are like, this is great. But I don't know if the general public is caught on yet. Gotcha. Do you think just Netflix is the only, is what really kind of got you from writers and directors? Yeah, I mean that put us from AMC on channel 355 into worldwide fucking, you know. And like I said, it was, I think that put us from you know AMC on channel 355 into

Fucking yeah, and like I said it was I think it was 30 plus percent of their of their downs of their Streaming back in the day. I still have a couple of discs by the way CDs Yeah You ever get a male the fucker dude, I had a whole system I was in college at the time I got the seven discs at a time right package right and I had a DVD burner yeah, and I so I burned maybe I'd like a Binder of like 350 movies yeah, and I would just get seven at a time. I wouldn't even watch it I would just burn them, but I mean everybody came to me. I should have run a business I was just you know lending them out, but I could have been like you ripped us off

I was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, been like five. So you basically ripped us off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Breaking Bad was saving Netflix while Kevin was killing it. Thanks. Piracy. You guys love that, right? I love that piracy thing. Make this your best season yet with Nutritious, two-minute meals from Factor.

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shipping. Earlier you mentioned Europe. What were you doing in Europe? You said you were back from there. What was I doing in Europe? You said you were back from there What was I doing in Europe which I was in Europe a couple times. I wasn't oh I wasn't working. I was just traveling. I was in Paris and did some stuff. Yeah also, I Obviously read your Wikipedia earlier. We call that research in the yeah You're valedictorian. Yes, Mark. I wasn't I knew you went to Harvard. I You're a valedictorian? Smart guy. I was a valedictorian. I knew you went to Harvard,

I didn't know you were a valedictorian. Woo, baby! I was a valedictorian, baby. I was straight A's, man. Before they have, now they have all these like A plus plus shit, cause you're in, mine was a 4.0, when they, 4.0 meant something. You couldn't even get to higher.

Now you can get like 4.5. You had straight A's at Harvard. Straight A's, not at Harvard, in high school. Oh, okay, got it, got it. Yeah, valedictorian. But then you went to Harvard. And I didn't, let me, I'll tell you a little something about Yeah, valedictorian. But then you went to Harvard. And I'll tell you a little something about being a valedictorian,

because I was kind of a dick and I didn't want to wear a collared shirt, so they wouldn't let me make the speech. They said, you got, you know, principals trying to be whatever the fuck, you know, and I was an asshole. And he goes, well, you gotta wear a collared shirt. And I'm like, well, I'm the valedictorian, man.

I can wear whatever the fuck I want. I do whatever the fuck I want. I said, I'm wearing a t-shirt, because that's what I feel comfortable in. He goes, well then you're not making the speech. I'm like, let the class president or whatever the fuck can do it, but I'm the guy who should be, and I should be able to wear what I want.

And I didn't make the speech. And you didn't make the speech? No way. What would you have said? What would have been your message? You put 10 toes down, you're like, I'm wearing a t-shirt. I'm wearing a t-shirt. I'm wearing a t-shirt for graduation,

and that's when I'm rolling, motherfucker. And I didn't. What would you have said your message to the class would have been? Would have been... Fuck collars. Have an espresso with you anytime. Would have been great for me.

You'll be older, not soon. You'll be in college. Enjoy your life. Were you, so you went to Harvard. Yeah. Did you, were you acting acting or did you do a full? There was no acting program there. So I majored in what they called social study, which was a combination of history, politics, and economics.

And, but I did two to three to four plays a year at Harvard, extracurricularly. So we had the ART, the American Repertory Theater was there. They just moved there from Yale, which is the defining great drama school, and then Bruce Dean moved to Cambridge and started his thing there. So I got to understudy equity actors at the time

and do things like that. But then all the student productions I just did there were you know productions there there were productions each well house that people lived in And yeah, I'm not sure that you just like you know, I'm like, holy shit this guy I don't want to be this guy, but you know, they would have like the Unified like audition week. Yeah for all the all the plays that would come that next semester I don't want to be this guy, but you know, they would have like the unified like Audition week. Yeah for all the all the plays that would come that next semester, right? Yeah, and like I would I just you know going in I just for all of them

Then they had the list up and is like The ones with the best-looking girls I think I'm onto something here. I'm onto something here. So I picked the ones with the best-looking girls in them. Because that's the kind of word I was trying to use. That's how I got my first girlfriend. I was acting at the high school play, and she was the female lead.

And I had sex with her. Is that what hasty pudding's put? Is it pudding or puddings? Hasty pudding. Pudding. I've heard of that so many times. I know it's obviously, it's very esteemed. I don't really know what it is.

It is a, it's another, it's like a club that people, members join. But separately from that, they have this, I did one and it was fucking so much fun. Separately they have this production every year. And you don't have to be in the club to be in the production. So, and we take, they have this production every year. And you don't have to be in the club to be in the production. So they have this big nice theater

and we would take it over for like a month. And it's all guys. So some guys had to dress up as women. That was when I was hot. And they have some great music in them and we would, I mean literally, we would have buckets on the side of the stage And they have some great music in them. I mean literally we would have buckets on the side of the stage because people would be so fucked up they would puke.

No way. And I had so many great, you know, and you do the kick line at the end. We're all like fucking drinking whiskey. It was the best. We took a trip to New York. We did a show in New York. Then on spring break we did a show in somewhere in the Bahamas and it was a great,

and I would never do it again, because that just ruined you for that semester. I mean, you were like, you know, it was nonstop partying, you know. Really? Great guys, I still have some great memories and great friends from that, you know, Hasty Pudding. How many?

So the Hasty Pudding, like, I know, Conan's been honored. Yeah. I think Adam Ray was this year and I'm sure, I think John Stewart and there's been a million. Yeah. But that's essentially what it is. It's just getting fucked up and, and. Well, that's what it was for the theater, Hasty Pudding theater. That's for sure. The theatrics. Now there also was a club and, and of guys who just, you know, are members of the club, you know, sort of like a fraternity, but not really,

you don't live there kind of thing. Got it, got it. But the theater was something separate, and yeah, we would do that, and yeah. Some rough grades that's missing. The 4-0 went out the window. Yeah, that was gone. So Law and Order is the organized crime union, right?

Yeah. So they bought, you know, there's a bunch of different spin-offs at this point, right? Yeah. That's... What's Dick Wolf's house like? I haven't seen it. I've been told about it. I bet.

I bet, man. What a... It's not a house. I think it's a compound. Yeah. Seriously. I mean, what is he, the richest... State. Dick Wolf, right? He's a compound. Yeah. Seriously. I mean, what is he, the richest,

Dick Wolf, right, he's gotta be the richest guy. If there's someone richer than him, they've done, you know, they invented. Yeah, it's probably Seacrest. Yeah, I don't know, man, you got FBI, three of them, you've got. Does he do NCISs, are those him? No, I think that's someone different.

But he does Chicago, right? He does Chicago. Any civic service in Chicago, he's gotta show about it. Yeah, that's right, and he owns Chicago, right? Any civic service in Chicago, he's got to show about it. Yeah, that's right. And he owns nights, right? Like Thursdays, all Dick Wolf. Right. Thursdays, all Dick Wolf. Crazy. I think we used to sell a t-shirt that just said, executive producer Dick Wolf.

Yeah. I mean, that's how you know, really. There's not many executive producers that you know of, you know what I mean? Yeah. Unless they're also a director or an actor or something, when you're just like the producer and everyone knows your name, and can associate a noise. You say dig well, you hear that dun dun.

Yeah, yeah, how about that? No kidding. That's awesome, that's a great one to add to the resume, man, that's gotta be cool. Yeah, it is fun, it's nice to be in that world, and like I said, I love hanging out with Maloney, and Mariska Hargitay makes an appearance. And, all right, so this restaurant I got, right?

So, I serve my barbecue, it's a great, literally great barbecue, so Maloney always gives me shit. He's like, ah, it's the king of the brisket, you know? And brisket king, and stuff like that. So I get the second episode, which was written by Maloney, and Risca Hargitay comes in, I can say this because it's already out. So she comes in the second episode, he's comatose,

she comes in to visit him at the hospital, and Randall, my character's there, and he sees her, and he's like, I'm comatose, I'm gonna make my move, right? And so he's like, hey baby. You want some brisket? Randall so fucking non smooth and like not a good game whatsoever Yeah, so that's it. Oh literally over a comatose body of Chris Maloney Elliott Stabler. Hey, you like brisket That's my go-to line as Randall's go-to line I make some of the best brisket

Are you are you living in the city while you shoot I do yeah, do you like that? I love it Yeah, yeah It's cool Like even just being someone who lives in the city like when you're walking around and you see those the the permits up like yeah Law and order shooting on this. Yeah, that's fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really New York moment like yeah I just want order. Yeah, it's one of those things I take for granted like I mean every movie and every show every TV every movie and show is shot in New York, so I Guess when other people are from living in different places watch it,

it's like this famous backdrop or whatever. But I'm always like, oh, that's where I take my train. That's the corner where I work or whatever. I take it for granted. It's a great, I mean, obviously it's a great, wonderful city, man. And it's nice to be able to enjoy it. Like I said, when I was here originally,

I was sleeping on a couch for 200 bucks. Where was it? It was upper west side, something like 82nd-ish, 86, something like that. And yeah, it was this lesbian woman who needed some money and she goes, you can get that couch right there. So I had my suitcase and all my couch. I thought you meant you were crashing like a buddy's house. No, no, literally, 200 bucks.

Yeah, I was like looking in the classifieds over theres Are they're all roommate for 200 bucks? I'm like, I'm your roommate Are you enjoying the city more now? When you're at this point your career do you I'm starting to find it in my walk of life that like everything feels like cyclical like things that you know You thought were maybe a failure, like five, 10 years later, come back around, or this trend you were a little too early on, and now it's starting to hit.

And the reason I ask that is because I was watching that show Paradise on Hulu. Have you seen that at all? I have not seen it. It's like post-apocalyptic world, and they make an underground city for like human race to continue on. And the first thing that popped to mind was Under the Dome.

And I was thinking, and this has been fairly successful, Sterling K. Brown's in it and it's caught on a little bit and I was like, this was right there with Under the Dome. And I think that had like three seasons. Three seasons, yeah. But I loved that concept and I thought, something like that now in the world of Black Mirror I think I had like three seasons maybe? Three seasons, yeah. But I loved that concept and I thought, something like that now in the world of Black Mirror

and all these kind of side by things and if it was just like a 10 episode season, I feel like that would smash. But maybe back then it didn't quite fit or whatever, so just interesting to watch how some of these ideas kind of resurface. Yeah, and that of course was based on the Stephen King book who wrote a couple of the episodes.

I got to meet him and hang out with him on set. He was fantastic. I remember, you wonder like these, I'm not a writer in like the mind of writers, you know, but I remember talking to him. He was a big fan of, he was an early fan of Breaking Bad. He was, I don't know if he had a blog or something, but he was one of the first like celebrity people

who went on record to say, man, I love this show. You guys gotta watch it, blah, blah, blah. And I forgot. Is that how you got the gig, or is that just? No, no, no, it was, yeah, this was right after Breaking Bad was finished and I got to, you know, no more audition and I walked into, it was Nina Tassler, the head of CBS.

That was the audition, we were just walking in saying hi to her, you know, literally an hour later, like yeah, we wanna play this guy, I'm like, fuck, life's better. Yeah. It's a lot easier than it was. That's great, man. But yeah, he was there and I remember him sitting there and he was just kind of sitting and he goes, you know, I should do a story.

He was watching the sound guy with the headphones on, you know, doing the sound. He said, you know, I looked at that guy and all of a sudden I see blood dripping down his ears. I'm like, fuck, That's why he's Stephen King It was a great image though. You know they show the show the sound guy and all send blood That's why you made that's why you wrote 200 fucking bucks. Yeah What's what's a role that you've had that you? Had to act the least like were you just like this is me. I just gotta be me

You know a lot of the cop roles Just a doesn't it comes naturally like like the Hank role seems it seems like who you are at least yeah Yeah, yeah, certainly., well I certainly brought a lot of myself too, and of course, I thought it was funny because the early Hank was much more fun and kind of more me, but by the third season, I was like, do I have to audition again? Because I'm reading this thing, and it's like,

now he's got PTSD and he's fucking, it was all dreadful and hard. Totally shifted, yeah. You know, his life was falling apart to a certain extent. It was all you know dreadful and totally shifted. Yeah, you know it was in you know His life was falling apart and to a certain extent so it was an interesting kind of route to get there you know I'm saying and That was just Vince Gilligan man. He you know I think he got to know me a bit I think he's on the record of saying this and he thought oh we can do do some more interesting stuff with him

You know yeah, that's pretty cool to have a writer of Vince Gilligan's Ilf be like, dude, you can do it. Yeah, yeah, that's it. You got this. Yeah, so... Are you sure, man? I was like, can I audition again? I'm like, yeah.

But you know what's cool about Breaking Bad is like, you know, I mean, Brian had had Malcolm in the middle, and like, you know, everybody was kind of successful, probably in their own right, but there was no superstar. You guys all became superstars together, which is probably a rare, pretty cool experience. It was great. And Brian was such a spokesperson and leader. He was like the father of our show.

He was such a good guy. In six years, man, he never showed up late to the set. He was always the first guy on the set. So that set the tone for everybody else, right? It's like sports, man, he's like the captain of the team. Yeah, exactly, and it's like, oh, that motherfucker's not gonna get out. I'm gonna beat his ass.

Brian, can you show up? I don't know what you're talking about. You don't give me half an hour to sleep in. I remember them saying that about Modern Family. Oh, really? Where they were like, at O'Neill. Oh, no, sure, yeah. At O'Neill, it wasn't ever gonna gonna be late so we weren't ever gonna be late.

Yeah, oh cool. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. That's uh yeah and it really um it really set the tone. He would like write us little emails every like beginning of a new season like that was a great season last year but let's all see if we can like reach down and do a little better. Yeah. Yes Ryan I will. I'll do it for you. KFC Radio is sponsored by BetterHelp. And folks, let's talk numbers. Traditional in-person therapy can cost anywhere from $100 to $250 per session or more if you live in New York City, which adds up fast. But with BetterHelp online therapy,

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Do you think Breaking Bad is done? Yes. No more spinoffs, no more movies, no nothing? Nothing. Is that your opinion or you know that? That's my opinion. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like it's something if the phone rings and it's Vince Gilligan. Everyone's probably in you think up, right? Yeah, it's not one of those things like yeah. Yeah. Yeah where it's like no, I'm done with that Yeah, don't you think he's I think he he smartly ended it and it's part of the I think it's part of the appeal That show is that it this is it it it ended, and this is what it is. I don't know how, I mean they're already doing the prequel kind of thing with the movie and Better Called Saul and stuff. I don't think there's any, I mean I could be wrong.

So here's what I always thought, I actually think you, there's two people I would watch a spin-off for. I would watch your whole career, and I also thought a show called No Half Measures with Mike Urban Trout. Yeah, he was so good. I would watch the whole career. Yeah, and I also thought a show called no half measures with Mike urban trout. Yeah He was I would watch the shit out of those so Vince if you're you know I just think I might be I don't let me sure I can say that I can say it's fucking

I'm gonna be writing the the the oral history of Breaking Bad. No, she's not a deal to do that Yeah, that's fucking so I get to talk to all my castmates Is that like a pocket? It'll be a book book. Yeah Yeah, so I just talked to Vince about it to make sure he was he'd be involved in the and he said yeah Did you come up with this idea? No, they came to me. Okay. Yeah, whatever the network sure is no other You know those guys HarperCollins or some shit I'm like how much yeah That's gonna be a some man brother especially everyone's involved. Yeah, just just telling stories. It's gonna be fun It's gonna be a fun book. Is that gonna be like you'll do

Are you do they come with everything or you have your input on like this chapter, that chapter? Cool. We have actually, you know, obviously a writer guy. But yeah, we've already talked about how we're gonna shape it and what was important and what was not. I'm just trying to get a lot of the stories that people they haven't heard about, you know. Yeah, oh my God.

Just from the actors and all the different people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know, it really is, we were talking about this early about binging and Netflix I mean it was a it was a seminal show that took TV into that into that hole into that sphere. Yeah, the streaming sphere You know I'm saying and that it was the antihero the sopranos and Breaking Bad I think there's a couple of like five shows. I think that were like the shield Yeah, yeah, the shield was great one like that, I think at least from a fan point of view,

turned television, I feel like it used to be movies and then television on the side. And now it's just as important if not more because of shows like that. Yeah, yeah, and we talked a lot about that. And I always like to bring up the fact that I think technology had something to do with it because people started getting TVs in their homes

that needed cinema level TV. You can't be watching Three's Company, it's fine when you watch it on that, but when you're watching it as big as that, you got the sound system, you want a cinema level. That's a great point, I never thought of that. Yeah, and I think that kinda helped bring all those shows in that direction.

So you brought movies into the home, and then you brought television to the movies level of entertainment, and then you brought television to the movie's level of entertainment. You know, and it was, I mean, it's obviously so good, but to me it's, you know, I feel like there's a lot of debate about other shows, great shows, but to me it's like, I've really never heard anybody. There's not a fucking debate, though.

There's not a debate. There's no debate. No, no, I meant debate like, like The Sopranos is great, but like, do you like the ending, or you know, like Lost was so good, but it never tied up, Lucentz, like all all these things that you can kind of if you're nitpicking right apart a show right I don't think there's that would break. Yeah, I don't think you're as good it ended perfect Yeah, perfect amount of time the perfect story. It was it's just and fucking Hank was insane. Oh, yeah, it was so good in that show One of the best looking guys on TV.

I believe you said that your favorite part for you was the toilet scene, figuring out everything. Does that make sense? Nope. Excuse me. Did I hear each other? You're like you can't wear a V-neck. I'm like fuck you.

I was a bellatorian. I hope that principal's watching right now. Right there. Well that was one of my favorite scenes. I think personally my favorite scene was in season three right before I almost get my head whacked with the cartel guys that came with the axe. But before that, it's a little remembered scene,

but I sit on my bed with my wife, Betsy, and I have this whole, I would read it, and I couldn't practice it without kind of tearing up, you know, and they're like, you can't cry, I'm like, all right, I'm trying not to, but it was him saying, you know, honey, the universe is trying to tell me something, I just don't think I'm meant to be a cop.

And for that guy, you know, to have reached that moment, and then he goes in and they take his badge away, because it's after he beat up Jesse Pinkman, and they take his badge away, and he's like, you know what, I'm okay with that. And then, you know, the fucking cartel, I get it, I get it, I get it. One minute, it's called One Minute, and that's it.

They gave, and it was 60 seconds from the call, they're like, you know, somebody's coming over, and I like what the bug? Yeah, you know and then gets that big axe I mean, that's a great thing. It's a great after like why didn't you have his gun? Yeah Had to turn in his gun in his back, but I mean fuck I'm forgetting your wife's name Betsy brand Marie Yes. Yeah, and but when Marie's talking to the sergeant and being like, why doesn't he have his gun? Yeah. And it's like, oh, I told you something.

Yeah, yeah, thanks a lot, guys. Yeah. Yeah. When you were talking about the book, I was thinking about how you guys have, your cast feels like a family. Yeah, and I think that's partly because you shot on location and kind of had to be around each other so much.

Do you prefer one versus the other, on location versus on set? to be around each other so much, do you prefer one verse to the other, like on location verse on set? Yeah, it's always nice. I just did a movie called The Parenting, oh it just came out, and we were all in Concord, Cockett, Massachusetts. And we were all in this small town, and like I lived with Lisa Kudrow and Parker Posey in the same house, and we all just kind of hung out, you know, it was such a fun

Shoot and I think it shows in the movie that we all just hung out, you know, Edie Falco was in it She'd come over we would have game night. We'd have movie night, you know, so you Lisa Kudrow and Parker Posey Yeah, would just sleep in the same house And shit I would have smoker but they would be smoking and just go out, hey what's going on? and the fun dude that's awesome

and not only that, we would just improv for the fun of it and so we would just like we would just start riffing on shit and Lisa Kodo is a genius and Parker Pozzi is a genius particularly in comedy and particularly in improv and it was some of the most genius, and Parker Posey's a genius, particularly in comedy, and particularly in improv. And it was some of the most fun times,

and Edie Falco, and it was great. Was this pre or post White Lotus for Parker? Pre. Pre. Yeah, we did a couple years ago. How about the White Lotus, man? We gotta get you a White Lotus, bro. I think you'd be great in White Lotus. Oh, man, I'm a fan.

It's such a cool thing, right? Yeah, you could be like a father figure, who's like a tough guy, but he's trying to figure some shit Great show is what have you watched all three seasons? Yes. What do you think of this this latest season? I thought it was great So do I I think it might have been as good as good as any other Only seen this. Oh, I haven't seen one or two and I was like this is on now. I'm going back Yeah, and you can watch them obviously not in order and right. I think there's something, it's an interesting show.

I think when you reach such a level of popularity, it's almost a good thing when you start to get picked apart and criticized. Because it's like, we're acknowledging that you're on this level, so now we're going to give you this level of criticism. But it's also like, I would imagine Mike White is like fucking furious sometimes when he's.

And of course, it's successful. It's like it broke records for their finale. It's not like he's failing. But there are some people out there talking shit. And it's successful. It's like broke records for their finale. Now he's, you know, failing. But there are some people out there talking shit. And it's just like, what else? What do you need to do? I actually said this on the podcast with these guys.

It's like, no matter what you're doing, just bear in mind that Mike White is like catching some heat. So like, you're always going to have haters and you're always going to have. Yeah. But I thought season three was fantastic. Yeah, it's fucking the acting. And I mean, the acting is always great, Matt, but Walter Goggins and he is unreal. It's unreal. And that he's another one.

He there's probably not many guys who can rival your resume with the list. We got off. But he's up there. Walton has a lot of shows. Yeah, I love him. He's such a good actor and Jason Isaacson. I mean, that whole thing was just was just crazy and awesome. You know, that started during the covid, right? Because they that's why it started as a contained in one place. Story, I didn't notice. Yeah, because of covid.

So they all lived in the same place. He wrote it fairly quickly and they they got it done during the covid time. So then the concept of being in one, you know, one resort, one location just just continued on. But it was a COVID time. I didn't know that. I remember it was not a time obviously. That makes sense.

Yeah, that's why they were able to shoot it. And a lot of people weren't shooting at the time. I saw a clip recently of Rob Lowe on a podcast talking about kind of like how Hollywood is a little bit like a ghost town right now because for taxes and money, like it's, you know, you shoot in Istanbul or you shoot wherever. And he was kinda saying that he's had projects that were like ready to go and then people find out

it's not shooting in LA and they're like, fuck it, I'm done. Is that, it felt like something that was maybe a little bit over dramatic to me, but like is that really a concern? Is that a thing? I think it's a concern for some people. I like being on location myself.

I like being in new places and living in New York for a while. Fuck it. Yeah, yeah. So it's never been a concern for me. And I live outside of LA anyway. I live like an hour and a half outside. So once I moved out from LA,

I did a sitcom for two years in LA and that was it for 20 years. I've been living where I live now for 22 years. And in all that time I've only had one job in LA Wow everything else has been location shit. Yeah, so you definitely don't care that yeah And I don't miss it. I mean I loved it when I was single and yeah I'm sure you know hanging in in the day, but I was like you know like it too much traffic Too much traffic. That old guy, god damn it, too much traffic.

When I was younger. That's great, man. Well, let me ask you one last question about Breaking Bad. Because we were just saying how almost perfect it is. Is there anything you would have changed? Was there any storyline or script or something where you were like, I don't know if I would have done this, Vince. No, no. And I think everybody else in the cast

would at the beginning of the seasons go into the writing room and kind of the writers room and kind of pitch their stuff. I was the only guy that never did. You do think? Because I was like, you know what, man? What do I have to say to Vince Gilligan and the writers? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey guys, I got this idea. Can we do this? I'm like, p guys, I got this idea, can I do this? I'm like, you know, nothing I could come up with would be as good as they come up with. Which is commendable in this day and age, I feel like, where everyone's like, I can do it, I've got an opinion. You're an expert, I've hired an expert, you do this,

I'll do the part I'm good at. Yeah, that's right, exactly, I never have. But what was Vince Gilligan's history before that? Was he well established to the point that? Yeah, he was like a Dean Norris before Breaking Bad. I mean, he wrote on the X-Files. Oh, right, right, right, I knew that, yes. And that was his biggest credit,

but he also had written some movies. He did a movie called Wilder Napalm, which didn't, and I was actually in it, and I had to remind him I was in it, and the first day we were on set. No way. I, because I was just, it was like a long time ago, it was like a one scene kind of thing, I was a cop. Yeah.

And I wore it. No. You know, they always give you something when you have a wrap and a t-shirt or a jacket. So I wore the Wilder Night Palm jacket to our first read through and reminded him that I was. He's like, where the hell did you get that? Yeah, yeah.

You stole it out of your trailer. Yeah. I, before we let you go. I have one more thing. What's going on with the crypto? Oh, fuck. Did you see that? I follow you, dude. You get hacked by crypto guys all the time. Jesus Christ. How would I see it?

That was the weirdest fucking thing that ever happened in my life. And my favorite part is everyone's pissed at me. I'm like, fuck you. If I made money, you could be pissed at me. I didn't get shit. I don't do my Twitter that much anymore. I literally had people going, hey, you got a crypto? I'm like, what are you talking about? I look, I'm like, son of a bitch.

Dude, you were pumping crypto for weeks. I don't remember exactly how long it was, but it wasn't a day. No, but it wasn't me. They were brilliant, man, because my Twitter got hacked, and I get a call, and it says Twitter, and 415 area code, Twitter support.

They, hey, you've been hacked. I'm like, yeah, thanks for calling, you know, blah, blah, blah, and they're like, yeah, but we need to be sure it's you. I said, okay, what do you need? They said, we need to take a picture and hold this thing up for the date. So I'm like, oh, that's you. I said, okay, what do you need? Do we need to take a picture and hold this thing up for the date? So I'm like, oh, that's me. They're like, okay, man, we're gonna fix this for you.

And it was these fucking scammers. Give me your mother's maiden name, your social security number. But I mean, it said Twitter and it was 415 from Sam's. I'm like, and I just got hacked. So I'm like, all right, these guys are on it. Yeah, Elon's got them running tip-top shape right now. Yeah, I never got hacked so I got all right these guys are on there on yeah, you know I'm running tip-top shape Yeah, I never got hacked until the Ylan bought the thing But yeah, I'm like oh, this is meme coin and people like somebody be like yeah, I made 10x

I made three actually like fuck. I lost my rent man. We're coming for you You know what you fucking talking about. I wish I had some of that The Nigerian prince emailed me and said he made money. I told him I was gonna save his family, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm a good guy that way. I literally called some crypto guys and said, hey, can I do this for real? I already think I did, so let's get paid.

He says, if you're lucky you can make 500,000 and you're gonna get a lawsuit from the SEC. I'm like, I'm good. Yeah, I remember like while it was ongoing, and I was like, I've met Dean before. He doesn't seem like a crypto guy. I would have had I know and I would have bought the shit. He was a valedictorian. I thought he was pretty smart. Well, man, congrats on Law and Order.

Thank you. And the book sounds like it's gonna be awesome. I'm sure there's plenty of things to come for you. Yeah, young man, please come by to promote the book. Yeah. Oh, for sure, man. Definitely. I would really love that.

That would be great, man. I think that's going to be, I'm sure you know it yourself, but I think that's probably going to be even bigger than you might realize. Yeah, I think it's going to be fun, man. That's a big one. So congrats, man. This is awesome.

Thanks, man. It's good to see you guys. Great to see you. Cheers, brothers. All right. Great to see you guys. Cheers brothers. I'm going to go ahead and put this in the fridge for a few minutes. Thanks for watching!