KFC Radio - Eddie Reveals He Almost Gave Up On Barstool Forever - Behind the Blog

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

Alright, bang bang, Eddie Farrer sits down with KFC to talk about his life, journey to Barstool, and plans for the future. This is Behind the Blog.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It's the return of Behind the Blog on hiatus for a little bit. Once again, you know how things are forever moving and shifting with all the different content I do and who's selling it, who's buying it, when it's airing. But since we've switched over and made the kevin clancy show back to live radio we haven't had any of our sit down interviews like we did last summer so i am happy i am thrilled to bring it back with one of the most deserving deep dive let's get

into it let's find out who he is and what makes him tick my main man eddie kevin thanks it's a long time coming we've been talking about it for a while so uh excited to do it man i said you are one of the only people who i think can fully relate to me at barstool there's a ton of people who uh you know me and clem are like cut from the same cloth as how we grew up and where we grew up and what we like and all of our interests we're kind of like clones of each other but when it comes to work not as much and then at work you know me and john have been doing. We're kind of like clones of each other. But when it comes to work, not as much. And then at work, you know, me and John have been doing KFC Radio. Of course we can relate together, but we have different roles.

And me and Dave have been doing this for so long, but we're very different. Eddie is a host. In your blood, you are a host. And I wonder, do you think that is a personality thing or not a coincidence per se? But I kind of became a host by necessity. Like I started out alone. So I was doing it. So it was like my show.

And then when more people came in, it was just I open it and I direct traffic and all that. But I never was like I want to be a host i want to be personality whatever but it was never like i want to be in control of this or be an interviewer or whatever did you want to do that it started as a personality thing just a naturally curious guy inquisitive yeah very curious yeah you know i'm just always kind of i don't know i just find uh i find a lot of things fascinating and especially things that people wouldn't think are fascinating. Like that's what I really like.

That's like the dog walk. It's perfect. You know, talk to the beer man, talk to the mailman, talk to the little people, quote unquote, little people in life. And there's something like pure about that that I like. Cause you know, let's be honest, like you, you want to land you want to land the big guests and get the big views and all that. And there's this other side that's like, but also don't you want to know like some real shit in life? Haven't you ever wondered like what's it like to be a tollbooth worker or fucking, you know, whatever.

And there's something a little more like for the love of the game in that. Totally. And I mean, I find those people more interesting to talk to a lot than that the celebrities and athletes let me let me let me try to rank it i guess by far the nicest and i think most interesting people ever we all we ever talked to are sex workers without a doubt they're like so polite so nice and i and they're doing things that like so very few of the population would ever dream to do you know and then uh then like comics and then actors and then like athletes go towards the bottom sometimes where it's like we know you're trying to win a championship and play for the team and yeah you know like uh you're going out there and trying

to compete work hard play hard sure like yada yada yada the ones who open up are awesome yeah but it's very few and far between but when you get these regular joes in here and it's like that's that's truly relatable you know i can it's really about finding what if i could get the people to be like hey you know what that was a good fact like i didn't know that that was interesting you know what dog walk is good for cocktail party ammo yes you know when you're at a happy hour you're at a cocktail party like did you know that uh you know keg beer has you know they sold this many beers in wrigley and all that kind of shit um so so yeah that so it was a personality thing and i also think um you were always interested in howard stern's and the

letterman's and the interviewers and media you know moguls and radio shows and whatnot right yes that's how i first got to know you and connect with you and that's what you know moguls and radio shows and whatnot right yes that's how i first got to know you and connect with you and that's what you know i went to new york for uh the spring of 2015 and i did an internship at the stern show and really just kind of once you realize what like i was like okay i'm an inquisitive curious guy how old you at that point i was so that was i was 24 at that point okay so 2015 i was 24 and uh i was just i was just you know i you learn you watch people and you learn you're like it's almost like it sounds weird but you study tape and like yes and it helps i guess if you were going out to do an internship you were doing it on purpose i kind of mr Mr. Miyagi'd myself for like, I didn't realize how much game type tape I was,

you know, watching over the years. Like I went to, when I went to Fordham and I did the radio, that was a, obviously a, a, a,

an attempt to do it. But even once I started there, just little things about like how to throw it to a break or come back for a, from a break. And, and just like, and to be honest, I actually tried to shake some of that

because I don't like to sound like every other radio host you've heard. But, you know, just things like, all right, we're back. And we've got this guy, he's sitting here, you know, like just little cadence things that other people might not know. And because if you watch it and you grow up on it, it becomes, you know, part of like your personality really. Totally. And that's why I love the Stern show too.

And, you know, it's so Barstool like because you know you got arty on there and there is he does not have a clean voice you know and he does not have you know eyes and arms right right and i do that too i'm not you know i'm not a fucking professional right i hate when i hear stories about people being like you got to lose your accent no fuck that oh exactly you know were you so you grew up on more like stern shows or were you listening to lose your accent no fuck that oh exactly you know were you so you grew up on more like stern shows or were you listening to like what's their name like um wally and silva or something like that around here i i like to say i grew up on barstool barstool oh wow that's crazy you know what i mean like i started reading my junior year in high school

right so that's that's that's your formative years for sure for sure you know i grew up and and i what i wanted to do i grew up on a uh i grew up in the northwest side of chicago very blue collar town city workers cops firemen and uh it's it's definitely not a place where we like to say we like to joke around they don't respect the arts as much sure you know it's not that's kind of like when i told people what i want to do they're like what the fuck pussy yeah join the union yeah shut the fuck up right it was completely um outside the box completely outside the box but i you know from a young age i remember seeing you know at the time it was chip carry right and i i was like i want to

be the cubs hell yeah yeah everyone's like dude what is wrong you know what i mean just whatever go whatever go fucking you know, dig ditches. Exactly. Break rocks. But I don't know, man. I've always been one of those people that are like, someone's got to do it. Yeah. You know?

And I just kind of believed that. I was like, I think I can. So you always had a little bit of like, I'm going to make it. I'm going to be something. Like, you're going to know my name. I did. But it's weird. You could think that, but then you could still have a lot of self-doubt at the same time.

Absolutely. Yeah. Like, the balance is crazy. I mean, it's, you know, some then you could still have a lot of self-doubt at the same time. Absolutely, yeah. The balance is crazy. I mean, some days you have a good day, some days you have a bad day. You wake up happy, you wake up sad, you wake up whatever. There are times where I'm like, you know what? We've achieved something that's fucking unachievable, and then we're going to reach the moon. And there are other times where I'm like, this is going to go away tomorrow.

It's just part of the ups and downs of being a human, to be honest. Yeah, and like, you know, on your best day, you feel like you could do it. Yes. But everyone knows you don't have your best day every day. We have good weeks at KFC Radio. We just had one the other day. We had Josh Richards in, Sal Volcano, Adam 22 from No Jumper. And we ran the gamut of, like, talking to this guy who makes, you know, porn with his wife,

talking to Josh Richards, who's like this, you know, new age superstar. And then Sal Vacano is like a mega TV star and comedy. And we kind of touched all the boxes of the shit we do. And we got all good answer. The Internet's all good interviews. And I was like, these are the weeks why we do it. And this is the week to make up for, you know, the weeks where we're, you know, banging our head against the wall because shit doesn't go well or whatever you know and those are the times

that you know it's like being you know having a good game or going on a hot streak where you're like this is why i put in all the work in the gym a thousand percent and you feel it man like you know when you you cranked a good one right and you know when there was a bad one and you're like fuck like you don't want to throw that out there you know you don't put that out in the field but it's like it sticks with you yeah i know i know um so all right let's oh my so my other question so you so you grew up on like on barstool re reading right yeah reading but as far as listening to stuff you were a stern guy listening to stuff not even i mean i was like everybody i was like when you went to for the stern interview it's's just because you know the name Howard Stern and want to be involved in media in some regard. But it's not because you were like a radio guy. No, no, not not really at

all. It was, you know, I was like any horny kid and watch the show. But you know, exactly. But wild on on E into exactly the Howard Stern show. So I did that. Don't get me wrong. But you know, I was still too young to, like, I didn't know where to find that as a kid. Right. Sure. I had no idea where to find that as a kid. So really what happened was it was like perfect timing.

It was right when Eric, the actor, died. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He's a whack pack. Yeah. And it was, like, right when he died. And I saw him, like, trending on Twitter. And I was like, oh, who is this guy? And I just, I'm a wormhole guy. Yeah. Click, was like right when he died and I saw him like trending on Twitter and I was like, oh, who is this guy? And I just, I'm a wormhole guy.

Yeah. Click, click, click, click, click, click. Yeah. So I just. Have you ever thought about having a show called Wormhole? Wormhole? I mean, that's a. Where you just click through and see where you end up.

That's a good. Like today, I got to give a little bit of credit to Bert Kreischer because he does open tabs where he has a million tabs open on his computer. Similar idea. But if you said, or almost maybe like a six-degree separation, I'm going to start on this and I'm going to try to get to this, but just like where it can take you because, man, that wormhole goes deep. Yeah, exactly.

And I think we're similar in that way too where it's like we watch something and say, you know, you hop in the Reddit, we're going to read what people are saying. So that's what happened. He died. And I was like, and uh i was like oh i was like man this is funny dude like already these guys are funny like this is very very reminiscent to barstool and i went on their website wow what a world though i mean not to interrupt but like most people would you know see the other way around like oh barstool's got like

a stern feel to it yeah to be the other way is like wow we started like reaching people at an early age for sure exactly that's how that's how different is he right and uh they their first tab was like looking for interns and i was like oh i was like i needed an internship i was in my last year of grad school right i was like i never think i'm gonna get this shit i was reading forums that you know tens of thousands of people apply and i just applied you know i was aggressive i followed up and i got it just regular like email uh and and resumes and shit there's no like hook up or anything like that nothing like that that's wild yeah and then how did we connect so we connected it was uh 20 2013 i had just graduated i was 22 years old. You guys were playing in the Greg Olson kickball tournament at Grand Park. Yes.

And I went down with my friends. I was a big stoolie. And like a lot of people, I was done with college. I didn't know what the fuck I was going to do. Sure, yeah. No idea. I was probably going to go back for grad school. I was maybe going to find a job.

I didn't know. But I loved Barstool. Obviously, would have loved to work there. Like, you know, because once I got older, I was like, you know, I don't even know if I'd like to sit there and call game, you know, 82 of the Cubs when I could like sit here and like fuck around and do other things and like that. The comedy aspect was more intriguing to me than the sports. Always.

I gravitated. I gravitated. And so I was like, I'm going to go down and I'm going to, you know, maybe I'll get to meet the guys I thought there was no chance. I was like I'm gonna go down and I'm gonna you know maybe I'll get to meet the guys I thought there was no chance I was like but at the worst comes the worst you'll support the charity whatever so we go down me and five buddies and uh you know we walked up and you know it's crazy to think now I think there was me and my five friends and I think there was four other guys maybe that were at that right and now it'd

be like a mob scene right yeah crazy so i woke up i was wearing a gronk nation t-shirt that my buddy borrowed me and you know instantly dave's like oh i like this guy i like this guy and i'm like yeah you know i've been trying to be big cat's intern but he's been icing me out and big cat's like oh what's that i was like yeah you know we're just giving him shit and uh you know did you guys end up playing with us because i knew there's a few stoolies yeah what's that? I was like, yeah, you know, we're just giving them shit. And, you know. Did you guys end up playing with us? Because I knew there was a few stoolies. Yeah. Yes. Now I remember.

There was like an extra charity thing where you could pay money to get people to jail. Yeah. And someone kicked Prez and Big Cat out. Right. And I was like, we need an extra guy. And I was like, all right, I'll play. That was awesome. So I played.

Yes. And then, you know, all my buddies are hyping me up. And they're like, hey, Big Cat, you got to look. You got to give this guy a look. Were you writing a blog or anything at that point? No, I had just got my degree in radio and TV. So I had the paper loose affiliation, but I wasn't really doing what you need to do to get hired here. And then Big K was like, yeah, just send me an email when you get home.

And I ran home. Ran home. Immediately, yeah. Send him the email email when you get home. And, you know, I ran home. Ran home. Immediately, yeah. Send him the email. Check your inbox right now. Exactly. And I didn't hear anything back for two weeks. I'm like, ah, it's done.

Like, it's not. You know, it was cool while it lasted. Sure. And Big Cat hits me up, you know, literally two weeks to the date later. He's like, hey, all right, Ad. He's like, here's your chance. If you could find me four A-plus smoke shows for next week, you're in. So pretty much Big Cat not wanting to do smokes for a week is what got why yeah man the smoke show grind was

was no easy task except in the beginning for new york it was an easy task there were so many beautiful chicks i remember dave uh when it was just boston and new york you know every day at 5 30 or 6 o'clock 5 o'clock whatever it was we put i New York You know every day at 5.30 or 6 o'clock 5 o'clock whatever it was I think I actually used to post at 5 When he posted at either 5.30 or 6 Because I wanted to get mine in first And I remember him being like

You know he writes a little blurb about whatever girl And then he was like PS like Boston We need to send more smoke shows Because I will not give in to the fight with New York Even though they post an absolute 10 out of 10 Every single day. I don't know what they put in the water there. It, like, went on and on about it.

But, yeah, the smoke show grind was a funny one. But it was an integral part of, like, you know, see, that was a valuable intern thing that you were doing. So even if it was just that for a little while, you would have shown value. Yeah, and, you know, instantly, right when he sends it, I hit up all my friends that are girls, and I'm like, hey, I need a little while you would have shown value but yeah and you know instantly i ran you know right when he sends that i hit up all my friends that are girls and i'm like please yeah you know right right right they're all so cool they love it love it all right so that's we'll catch back up to barstool we're going all the way back to the beginning um chicago guy through and through yeah chicago guy through and through and And so what's like young Eddie like? What's like baby Eddie like?

You know what, man? I was just kind of like a normal Chicago kid. I was kind of more a jerk as a kid, I would say. Really? I was kind of an asshole as a kid. In what regard? Like a punk? Yeah, I don't know.

A little punk, yeah? Yeah, I was just the head of the ledge to me, I guess, and then i kind of at some point i just grew up my parents were always very worried about me uh i had poor grades um failed religion went to a catholic school failed religion uh which is like impossible i was gonna say it's like failing life in a way you know it's like what yes i i definitely was it was an underachiever i didn't really uh i don't know it just wasn't it like if it didn't interest me i had no time for it which is kind of fair you know i mean you got to learn certain things no matter what but you know it should be more of a system like do what you like and what you're

really gonna you know apply to your life but it's funny the difference between underachiever and just like dumb, if you will. Like if your kid's trying hard and he's getting bad grades, like I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, like got a lemon. Maybe your genes are just not – maybe academics is not your kid's scene. But it's when you can tell someone is underachieving where it's like, can you just try because it's in you can tell someone is underachieving where it's like, can you just try? Because it's in there.

For sure. And for some reason, it clicked to me when I went to college. And I got grades that I never, ever got in high school. He got bad grades. Did he? Or bad grades, or you weren't really interested in school or whatever. You didn't care. And now he's like the most hardworking dude in the world, like around the clock, perfectionist, making sure.

And I'm like, you used to just like mail it in on a paper or a grade or whatever. Like, I don't care. Wow. I never quite had that. By college, I figured out how to game the system. That was more my thing is I took APs in high school. So I had college credits, which let me register for classes early before everyone else. So I went to rate my professor, and I was able to pick the easy professors.

I always said I picked out a class that had a lot of participation was your grade, and I just made sure I raised my hand every day. Took classes over the summer, so I was always ahead in credits. And so I was, like, gaming the system. But even, like, in high school and middle school, I always tried. I was like i was kind of a pussy i was like afraid to get a bad grade i was afraid to be you know to fail or whatever i never really like took it personal i was just like my mom's gonna kill me if i do she also used to bribe me i got like 100 bucks if i got an a in a class so i was like i got that money that's nice uh good old bribery good old capitalism um but so your

parents kind of knew it was more of an underachiever than it was like, he's not an idiot. He's just not applying himself. Totally. Yeah. I mean, I was obsessed with sports and like I could tell you, you know, the ins and outs of the Orlando Magic's roster. Yes.

The brain. Funny you say that. Do you know that they were founded? What year were the Magic founded? Was it 90 or 80 something? 89. 89. If you would have told me where the magic

founded in the in the 80s i've just said no way like it's only like a year whatever difference but 89 uh yeah so it's like if you can memorize all those stats and understand the you know the world of pro sports or whatever obviously the smarts are there just mcbeth just had no you know yeah i just wasn't you know wasn't a mcbeth guy right you know so i was you know i almost didn't uh almost i got caught cheating on a final my in high school i didn't walk yeah how were you cheating uh it was there was we were handing a scantron back so we we had two scantrons and we were having another kid fill it out me and and my friend. So he would do the test and pass it back to you? Yes, yes.

And then he would do his own test again? Uh-huh, yeah. Essentially, he would fill his out and then quickly do them for us. I would cheat on tests if I knew the answer. I'd be looking over at yours, just be like, just a double check. Sometimes I'd be like, nope, you're wrong. But I was always – we had kids who were doing the right on the inside of the water bottle. You ever do that?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had that. We had a lot of like revolutionary people who were scheming and scamming their way through school. My best one is in college, I was in a frat. And we had a big lecture hall. And one day, we had a back row. There was a bunch of us guys who were initiated and there was a bunch of

the sorority girls and whatnot. And we're like, hey, we need a couple pledges. Because they would always zero in on our section. You know? So I was like, hey, I need you guys

to come to this final. I need you to sit. Weren't even in the class. Weren't even in the class. Wow. The decoy. Yes. I was like,

I need you guys to ask as many questions as you can. Wow. So, you know, because they were, you guys to ask as many questions as you can. Wow. So, you know, because they were, you know, boom. Yeah. They were suiting on us. And these guys, I had them in every corner. And they're asking questions.

No fucking way. The maestro over here. Like crazy. The grand poobah. The fucking, the Don. Yeah. Wow. And so that was just distraction while you guys were.

No, distraction. We were kind of making our moves in the back so it was brilliant brilliant i love it i had a scheme going with my buddy in uh seventh or eighth grade his name was genaro rodriguez fluent in spanish and absolutely uh no brains when it came to math and i uh was struggling in sp Spanish and I could do well in math. So we used to just do each other's homework. And there was one day, for whatever reason, my math teacher, what was it? It was my, no, yeah, my math teacher was looking over Gennaro's shoulder, kind of being like, show me your work on this homework assignment.

And as he was flipping through his binder, some of my handwriting was there. She was like, stop. That is Kevin Clancy's handwriting. I knew my writing. And looking back, I should have denied, denied, denied. I should have been like, what are you talking about? Look at my sample.

I was writing in block letters and stuff, but she caught us red-handed, but that was my hustle for a good long time. It's like, you're good at this, I'm good at that. good at that let's go make sense and to me that's just ingenuity i feel like you know that should have been praised thousand percent but you know 15 year olds you'll fold like lawn chairs yeah oh yeah you're not denying dude i never had that in me like early on i was like if i was caught i was caught so were you like a schemer and a scammer in all regards like were you the kid you know were you ever like you know shooting dice at at recess or like you know trading baseball

cards and scheming kids and like that because i could see a little bit yeah i had a but it was nothing uh there was nothing crazy to be honest with you it doesn't have to be anything crazy though i think that's either you're a person who does that or a person who doesn't you know so even if it wasn't you know high stakes it's like you know there were kids in high school who just decided to like get a brick of weed and sell some dime bags here and there and they and they weren't you know pablo escobar but i would i just would never have done it and if you asked me i would have been like no i can't do that but then there are other people who like yeah fuck it i can do this yeah yeah so like a schemer and a hustler

uh a little bit of a punk parents know you're an underachiever trying to get you to focus and straighten you have you have siblings yeah i have two older sisters who are like brainiacs perfect so you're like the black sheep or you know the why can't you be more like your sisters yeah so that always that hurts or you know it's annoying at least yeah and then you get to college and that's where you kind of like straighten up a little bit yeah that's right at some point i just become like uh you know like opposite of walter white i just yeah i opposite of break bad You know Just honestly

Yeah you were breaking good Yeah I was breaking good The way it should be You know Fuck around When life's silly Yes Would you

Would you do like Would you like egg houses And light off fireworks And that shit Oh yeah Tornado alley What are your best What's that

Tornado alley What's that You just so Obviously So you guys You don't have alleys anywhere right This fucking alley talk. All I hear about in Chicago are alleys.

Yeah, I guess we don't have alleyways, yes. Yeah, so alley where we keep our garbage is where we keep trash, which is a good system. Yeah. You would just, we would pick random alleys, and there would be like, you know, four of us, and you kind of, it was so stupid looking back. They get hyped up, and you just run down and you throw down every single garbage can in the alley so it's called tornado alley you look at the alley oh man it's like a tornado um that was big you know just shit like that we were always

fucking around throwing snow you know i was yes yeah we're throwing snowballs at the bus yeah we used to spray aerosol on top of tennis balls and light them on fire oh yeah throw fireballs did you do that because sometimes when i tell these guys that they're like you did what and i was like i don't know i thought that was a thing yeah we did the ice cube with the salt you ever do that one yeah what's that it like burns your skin or something like i didn't do that those kids were sick i was but i watched them do it partaking it's always good that's where i i think i now looking back i think vandalism is kind of no not it definitely is one of like the the shittiest douchebag thing you can do it's like now thinking about me like if someone were to egg my house i'd be like do you

know do you know how fucking shitty my day was and now i can you know fuck this yes um that being said i think every at least boy i'm not sure exactly how girls are growing up should kind of go through a little bit of that yeah like like check it off i went i egged houses one halloween felt like a total asshole afterwards but i was like i can tell that story now and i can relate now and i kind of get it now i got you know cops grabbing by the collar that night and it was it was little things that you try to get out of your system, I think. No, you're 1,000% correct. And it's just good to know. Street smarts, I feel like I'm equipped.

I can handle a lot if you put me in a situation and be like, all right, I'll do that. But I look back and I didn't learn shit because I didn't pay attention. You know, just like books and like fucking I learned about the real gist of Pompeii a couple of years ago from Chief on a dog walk. Chief is very book smart. He's great. He knows that. Yeah. He went to what, at a prep school?

Yeah. He sat around a round table. Oh, wow. That was a real deal. And like he knows like all the ins and outs of history. I'm like, damn. Looking back, I'm like, like he knows like all the ins and outs of history. I'm like, damn. Looking back, I'm like, damn, I really wish I had fucking taken this serious. You know, it's funny because it's not like it's I think it's so fucking cool to be smart now.

Yes. And not even smart, more like knowledgeable where it's just like I can tell you facts about Pompeii. And I know why, you know, like the Greek economy collapsed a few years ago. And I know what's going on with crypto or whatever. But at the time when you're in school, it's just you think of like knowledge is just something you need to pass the test. Yes. Not like because it's going to be cool one day when I'm talking to a girl or I'm trying to impress a boss or whatever. I'm trying to do a podcast.

It's cool to know shit. A thousand percent. But that being said, if I gave you the choice between you get 100% of one and zero of the other street smart book smart what would you take it's tough I mean I like who I am

so I'm happy being the street smart guy who would you know just kind of knows his way around I'd still take street smart like zero book smart is tough because you sound just like an ignorant fool but you know some of the guys i know who maybe uh you know were failing a class i was getting an a plus and you throw them in the street at night in a bad situation and they can like know a guy or know a way to like get you out of trouble and it's like that's fucking to me you know maybe it's not always applicable maybe it's rare here and there but i think that maybe it's not always applicable. Maybe it's rare here and there.

But I think it's just more important to be able to handle yourself in life because you always can learn. I think there's a window for street smarts. Agreed. I think the window closes on street smarts once you're through into college. It's like now you're already kind of pampered and spoiled and used to people doing things for you and you haven't lived any experiences. It's done, you know. You can try and maybe pick up some things here and there. Whereas I can pick up a book now and still, like, learn this shit.

But who I am as a person when it comes to, like, you know, how to handle money and how to handle yourself in a bar and what to do when shit is the fan and all that stuff in fights and in bad stuff. It's like that. Like the intuition you can't teach. Right. You cannot teach that intuition. You know, like you're walking in New York, like you know when it's time to tense up. You know? Sure.

How to carry yourself. I got that for sure. Even like how to talk to a bouncer. Yes. How to talk to a bartender. Yep. Things like that. You know, I would never want to be the guy. Like when I walk into a bar, especially when I was younger and I still was doing it frequently.

When I walked into a bar, I was like, this is my home, you know. And I can belly up and I can talk to the bartender and the waitress and, you know, meet the strangers and shake hands and kiss babies and all that, you know. Felt at home. Whereas like if I ever felt like out of place in situations like that oh i would hate myself yes exactly i mean you know it's like congratulations that you know you know you have a 4.0 but you know the pythagorean theorem yeah but you can't you know you don't know how to like order order a drink at a bar or something like that you know uh so yeah i mean i don't think anybody would be surprised by the the description you just gave of yourself i think you're pretty true to like who you are i think that's interesting because i think in on the internet there are characters

and there are personalities and then there are just people you know and i think i think the idea is to kind of be a person one of those those people, with some personality and take half that and fully be a person. And I think there are some people who are the personalities and then push into the side of characters. And it all works. And if you do them all, either side can be very successful. but I always think the most relatable and kind of powerful at certain times when you need to be is just being like a real person as opposed to scripted or whatever creation, you know, and I think you're just who you are, right? Totally. And that's what and I'm sure we'll get back to this at some point. You know, we started with the host talk. I had that option,

man. Like when I came up like i i was i really got noticed by dave from that first bears video when i was screaming into the camera about calil mac and you know there was there was a real time there where i could have went that character route and character route for like you know followers and all that it's great like if you want to scream into the camera yeah and like do that like it's great man you know what i mean but to me like i don't know there was just just – there was more stability and more upside to like becoming the host and just settling down as me. Yo, so what I've always thought is – it's a little bit confusing,

but my ceiling being myself is here, right? My potential ceiling – so like I'm here here people who go characters can make it all the way here yeah but me trying to do a character is down here so i'm not gonna reach that same level because i'm not a character guy yes and so i'd rather be myself take a little bit off the table but not risk being the guy who flops because the internet can smell that on you you know they're like that's he's not a guy who screams and yells at the tv or at the camera he said maybe sometimes but for the most part he's you know more mild-mannered and just talking and and so you know like you can only keep that up so long for sure i think when you

are a character sometimes you worry about that you're like looking over your shoulder like are people you know they're gonna know that i'm faking it or i'm phony like i got all my cards all my skeletons and everything on the table so i i feel like and that's where i think the host stuff kind of comes from because it's like you already know who i am if you've been listening you, and now I have this co-host or this guest or whatever, and we're going to learn what they are. And, you know, you know who I am and why I'm asking the questions the way I am, because you know that about me. And but it's it is hosting is one of the most difficult. Thankless And underrated Jobs

In this podcasting world And You know I guess in the radio world as well It's not like what we're doing is new Because there has been radio shows forever But I think there was this like Welcome back to WPLJ

I'm your host Tommy Bones And today You know it's like That was hosting But that was a character Yeah character hosting where you're just yourself kind of is this new wave thing of being on a podcast. And I don't think people appreciate what goes into it because it doesn't seem hard. Sometimes it might seem effortless to people, but you know, it's not,

it's no joke, especially with some of the people we're hosting with. Right. No. Yeah, for sure. It's, it's like you said it perfectly. It's a thankless job because you like, you really don't, you got to know to pull what lever where and when and how long to let something go. And like, you're, you're thinking about, Oh, should I move this? Should I, or should we move on? Should we not while other people are just thinking how to make jokes and that's what gets the attention that rightfully so people want to laugh, you know,

but to have that in the back of your mind, like, Hey, jokes and that's what gets the attention that's rightfully so people want to laugh you know but to have that in the back of your mind like hey i need to make sure that this is consumable content that people want to hear you're thinking about that whereas you're not just so free where it's like i'm just gonna go fire with when's it my turn to talk exactly you can tell the people who are just like you're talking you're talking you're talking when is it my turn to talk okay now joke and it's like that doesn't really help the conversation. I mean, it's very similar to being a point guard, right, where you're like half your brain is thinking about the play right now and what you're saying while setting up the next play,

and you've got to worry about getting back on defense. That's kind of all the things that are happening here because I'm thinking, well, I definitely still have to talk about this topic. We've got to get to that. So don't forget that. Don't forget that. Keep that in mind while still talking about this thing. You need this ad read. Yes, got to get to that so don't forget that don't forget that keep that in mind while still talking about this ad read yes got to get the ad reading got to get the the plug for

whatever the the the guest wants to talk about in you know got to continue with the current conversation while also here's what i really want to talk to about how am i going to segue to that you know we're over here talking about uh you know the the the cell phone company he's plugging somehow i got to get to talk about like you uh, his girlfriend who went viral the other day or whatever. And you got to try to get there with segues and, and with, you know, in a smooth way that doesn't make it all choppy. And, and I think that there's, you know, when you work with certain people, you want to just like lob them up for them. And there's no, you know, there's no glory unless you're fucking Jason Williams. There's no glory in the way that the alley was being lobbed.

You know, it's always about who's throwing it down. And, um, and that's, you know, really what we're there to do as a host is like set people up for the spike and you don't get remembered for as much as that,

you know, some of the people who do, do really appreciate it and respect it and they know it and they can see it. There's just fewer people like that for sure. And, you know, you're right. It is, it really appreciate it and respect it and they know it and they can see it. There's just fewer people like that. For sure. And you're right. It is.

It does happen. But at the same time, it would be nice to throw some down once in a while. Yeah. Well, that's why I mean being – when I'm a guest on a show, I'm like, this is amazing. You talk about whatever you want. I'll jump in, not jump in however you want to do it, dude. Like I'm good.

I also find it interesting. Like when you're doing something like this, you're allowed to talk about yourself. If you, if I, if on your podcast, you're just babbling about yourself. People are like, you're selfish or you're,

you know, all you do is talk about yourself. This is like, the point is we want to get to know you. So whatever's on your mind, man, like you can let it out and that's okay. And so i find that very freeing where it's like here's what i think and that's all right you know no for sure because if you open up a show and you lead

with yourself it is it's just weird man that's a hard thing to get over i'm not over that i'll be honest yeah like there's so many times where it's like ah you know like especially when we were doing serious where you know the clock was ticking like i was waiting to many times where it's like, ah, you know, like especially when we were doing serious where, you know, the clock was ticking. Like I was waiting to fit something in. It's like, ah, it's just going to be here. I was waiting for someone to set me up. It's like, no, they're not thinking that way, man. They're thinking to get their shit in.

And it's like, I don't know. You need someone to set you up. Yes. And I'm fine with the show. Ultimately, all I care about is that the people, whoever is listening on the other end, is enjoying our product. Then it's fine with me, you know. But, of course, you do feel like, man, I wish I got some... Doesn't get reciprocated.

Yes, exactly. Wish I had some points and not just assists today. Yes. And even things like, I'll just laugh at your joke. Yes. Even if it wasn't the best. I'm not going to be phony. I'm not going to be cackling.

And if it's really bad, I'll be like, come on, dude. But when people are out here just trying to make conversation and trying to drop some punch lines and some jokes it's like oh yeah yeah yeah or you know if i disagree with you or somebody if you say something that's like oh that's not really how it goes but whatever you know i'm gonna be a stickler about it because it makes for a better smoother show and like let's get the most out of someone rather than nitpicking everything and kind of shutting it down and that definitely doesn't get any love you know no one's gonna be like you know it was great there where he didn't like press him or whatever you know it's like there are times to press and times not to press and i don't think people get that um and and i really don't think people gets sometimes hosting is just bringing up a topic that would not have been

been brought up at all you know and some of the funniest jokes come out of that and it's like had i not even brought the conversation over here that would have never come out. But no one's thinking three lines ago, if you will. And if you're watching a movie, you're watching a fucking rock movie. When you leave the movie, you're going to remember the big action scenes. You're not going to remember the crucial plot points where you've got to push a storyline along. Yes. So that's like the laugh. And it creates this thing on the whole and hopefully you get like the

love for that yeah but you know people are always going to remember the some of those characters and some of those jokers more now why i say that you were one of the only people who i think we can relate to each other is we both have had the pleasure of hosting alongside of dave yep and it's not even hosting it's like dave's the host of the show without being the host of the show. You know what I mean? It's his show. You're just there to open it, close it, facilitate it. But it is one of the most difficult jobs in media, I think. And Tommy Smokes did a little bit. Riggs did a little bit.

I don't think anybody else has really done it to the extent you and I have done it. I mean, it can be a challenge for sure. It can be a bear for sure. Like there were times I would walk out serious and be like, Whoa, that was draining. But you also know that you are, you got the opportunity to sit next to one of like the most dynamic people in media who like at any moment we're going viral at any moment we're going to have a moment of you know people are going to be talking about or whatever and so drawing that out of him is altogether at once the easiest task because sometimes it's just like let dave talk to american express on the phone about his points and sometimes the hardest task where it's like

how am i going to get this like angry stubborn guy who just lost 50K on a game to play ball on this podcast, you know? And you know what, you know, Kevin, though, it goes further back than that with like how that came to be. And I would really split my Barstool career up in like two chapters right now. You know, there's the first one where, like I said, after I got, you know, brought in the door from big cat, um, you know, we, there was, it was a different time. Like there were, it was a city-based thing and you had your guys in New York and we were with big cat here in Chicago and there was no backing, you know, there was no turn and there was no money, you know? And, uh, but you know, all I wanted to do was work for Barstool. All I want to do is kind of work my way in and you know i would always have conversation with you and obviously you were a tremendous help with with dan and uh it um but there were just wasn't

money man you know there wasn't it was a couple hundred bucks a month if you were lucky yeah and i was not lucky you weren't even one of those i wasn't one of those what were you doing like for money at the time so at the time so i so 2013 i went back to grad school did the stern thing and everything that i came out in 2015 and so this is what is a story i've never told before that that's kind of interesting is uh so i had just come out in 2015 um and it was fall 2015 and big cat had hit me up and he's like hey man, he was doing this podcast at the time with this guy, Sam, for WGN. And he's like, hey, man, Dave shot that down. He's like, I have to stop doing that because it's for them.

He's like, but I'm starting my new show. And he's like, I want you to be the producer with an Andy Richter type role, like, you know, from Conan or like a Danette, like Dan Patrick type thing. Where I have a co-host, whether it be, you know, Cutler or Kyle Long. Like, he'll have a rotating co-host, but I'm the guy behind the glass. Like, you know, like Amy over here. And he's like, I want you to be that guy. And in my mind, I'm like, wow, this is it. Yeah, I made it.

Yeah. This is all I ever wanted, you know. And, like, you know, this is perfect. Like, I'm lined perfectly. Like, I'm coming home. I'll be home finally back in Chicago for that time and uh then like a couple weeks went by he's like hey you know once again Dave Dave shot it down so it's it's not gonna happen and uh shot down the whole show yes so

little did I know at the time so he shot it down but he's like hey once the new podcast comes up like well like you know once once I'm able to do the show, I'll let you know, you know. What happened at the time was 2015 fall. There was a turn and shit was going on. So kind of it got put on a freeze. It's the way I understand it, too. It might be different from Dan's vantage point and everything. But, you know, everything got put on a freeze, you know.

And so, you know, Dan obviously was great, helped me out tremendously, helped me get my first job out of freeze you know and so um you know he dan obviously was great helped me out tremendously helped me get my first job out of college and i worked at a sports media company that was uh it was brutal man like it was not barstool i was working from 4 p.m to 1 a.m and tuesday i remember that yeah yeah wednesday thursday it was called uh 120 sports yeah yeah and it was wednesday thursday off and it was 120 Sports. Yeah. Yeah, and it was Wednesday, Thursday off. And it was just tough, man. It was tough times. And it was just now, you know, when you know where you want to be and you're so close,

but you're somewhere else. It's like, it's brutal, man. It was brutal. It was a very tough stretch in my life. Getting paid anything? No. Peanuts, man. Right.

Paying $14 an hour or something like that. Right. Likeuts, man. Right. Paying $14 an hour or something like that. Right. Like, peanuts, bro. And what's crazy is then the turning deal happens, and, you know, Dan's next podcast turned out to be part of my take. Sure. So you're like, ah. In my eyes, I was like, fuck. Yeah.

Like, that was my spot. That was supposed to be my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, Kevin, man, it was a very hard thing for me to swallow. I bet, dude. You know you know it was like holy shit and credit to those guys they fucking are superstars they built it to the moon uh i was just i mean sort of the same thing for me where it was like he was still kind of doing some kfc radio episodes but once it blew up it was like oh well he's never seen him again he's gotta go do this thing and ride this to the to you know

jupiter um so yeah when you have you know you can't plan too much in this in this industry because yeah no you can't exactly so that's why i was like man and like you know it really fucked me up for a while man you know i was just like man i just uh like because i'm very you know like like you and like a lot of people here pretty career driven guy and like i don't you know not really you know in a relationship and whatnot and uh and and it was just like man i i gotta i gotta take a step back and you know i've always been in the bar still i'm like kind of you know oh yeah no the history of it oh yeah it's again why you're perfect for the dave show because it's like you know the ins and outs and the characters and everything about it. Yeah.

Which I always appreciated. Like the people who come in and are just like, oh, this is how you get a bunch of followers and how you become popular versus the people who are like, you know, can tell you what getting J-Macked means, you know? Yes, exactly. He's a real one. Uh-huh. For sure. For sure. And that's what, you know, that was the first time in my life I was like, man, I have to, you know,

I have to kind of take a step back, you know, deleted the app. And it was just like, it was one of those things that like, Kevin, it haunted me. Was it like, fuck Barstool? Or it was just like, I can't torture myself by thinking about this? It was more so. Was there bad, not bad blood, but like, you know, was there hard feelings? To an extent, but it was mostly misguided because, like, I don't know. You know how it is, bro.

Once you're on the other side, every person thinks, like, oh, KFC, he's like the fourth guy at the company, third guy. He could get anyone a job. That's not how it works. It's not how it works. There's one dude who can do that. You know what I mean? It's not exactly.

So, like, yeah, it was misguided anger. Like, I shouldn't have been mad. But, like, Dan hooked me up with his job. It was just the weird timing. Like, Hank was already in. Like, why wouldn't he be the producer? Like, it just made more sense. And you can't have two guys, two salaries on the same spot.

It doesn't make sense, you know. But then in your brain, like, for me, and then once it got bigger, like, there's pizza guys getting jobs. There's guys running on the street who are fast because they got a job and obviously i love both i love glennie and frankie yeah like you know in my mind i'm like dude i've been working for free for this company for three four years when's my shop you know what i mean that is um there's a tough like i i a lot of people do think yeah like i you know i can get you the job and it's not the case but i also don't want to like discourage you from trying yeah so sometimes it's like i can't pay you right now i can't promise you anything even so like be clear on that you're

welcome to still do this but don't just think that like at the end of the summer i can make it happen i wish i could and if i could i would exactly but truth be told more often than not i you know i go to bring something to dave he'll be like no i gotta get out of here you know so uh exactly and that's and i know that now obviously but once and i knew that in the beginning but once turning came it was like oh this is now they're going to be able to do this money everywhere and then then they started to, you know, and then once they started to and it's like, bro, how are you not going to take care of it? And not not anyone specific. I'm not saying, you know. Yeah, but it's just and that's just how my brain was working.

You have a legit gripe there, though. I mean, and it was like I was I was help. I was doing everything I could, bro. You know, I would hit you up. Yeah, I booked Norton. Yeah, Norton, uh mail time clips i would go on uh like serious every now and then on other shows and you would kind of give me notes on like here's what this guest thinks or here's what his host thinks here's what you're gonna be talking about just kind of guiding me through that shit you were always a

great help and and i could trust you because i knew you knew you know radio and stern and media and how it all works so i I could actually listen to you. And I still think to this day, there's some of that, whether it's hiring or bonuses and raises and stuff where it's like, so some of that, some of that, like, you know, employee pool of money is going towards that, that, you know, person that was on TV that one time on camera, like, you know, the cameras caught tv that one time on camera like you know the cameras caught him doing something silly like okay i guess so you know but also there were people who were like um oh like they just hired another tiktok girl really and it's brianna and it's like

yeah huge media person like fuck you you know so you never really know and you're trying to catch lightning in a bottle. And, you know, I remember this one time. This is one thing that haunts me a little bit, not to take the focus off of you. But when I was starting Mail Time, same exact time around Chernin. Actually, what we should have done was that. Me and you should have done it. Because I was looking for somebody. And I was, do you remember that dude, Patrick from the Cosmo Sirius channel?

He then started his own gambling thing now. Was this early on Sirius? Yes. So that was my dark Barstool period. Okay. So he worked at Sirius. No, no, no. So this was like Sirius completely unrelated.

He was on the Cosmo channel. Dave used to go on his show and talk about American Idol and all that shit. I got to know him. I got to know his producer. Their show kind of fell apart. And I was like, why don't you come do mail time with me? This is before my brother was working and I needed a producer. And Dave was like, rather than just hire this guy, why don't my brother had been brought in?

And that's when Asa came on. He was like, I think we should do a big splash and have a bigger name and something that can really move the needle. Rather than just this person who I knew was a good producer, good fit, but wasn't going you know elevate anything you know and i think sometimes you know somebody wants the shiny new toy or the big new thing rather than like well this thing just this is the thing that works over here you know and you gotta like i do understand the logic of it but you gotta also remember you need people to drive the fucking drive the ship and direct traffic and again it's a little bit thankless and it's not when you're not the character you're not the like i'm the crazy guy who did this and remember that I went viral for this. It's like, no, I'm just the guy who has good conversation.

I'm smart and I work hard. But in the long run, it might have taken a little longer. But now I feel like you're here, right-hand man of one of the biggest guys in media, running this whole office, multiple shows, all able to be yourself because you grinded it out that way. Totally. Like it all worked out in the best way, which is exactly those. If you would have told me that through 15 to 18, 2015, 2018.

It was that long, huh? It was three years. I'm telling you, cutting clips of the Caleb Presley show. Like, you know, you name it, bro. And the thing, too, man that i really uh sympathize with people for is like when you try to take yourself out that's fucking hard man like you think you take yourself out like you think of guys like uh like who left who like have to live their life like a jmac or a whoever you know what i mean and they have to live their life and see people i'll never

forget i literally that was the first time like since i was in high school so i'm talking like 2007 to 2016 like living and dying on that barstool sports.com and i remember you're deleting it and i remember i was like i'm just cleaning myself you know i remember going down thanksgiving in 2016 or 2017 and i remember like i'm like you know just mortified that like i'm thinking i miss this boat on the biggest sports podcast in the world right and i walk down i sit at the table just you know sludging through my life and my brother-in-law goes oh did you get here this week's part of my take and like i'm just like it was like a weird realization bro where i was like i'm never gonna like i'm never gonna get away from this you know

and i it was because it got so embedded with with our demo yeah you're gonna watch sports and you like comedy and you're on the internet like there's always going to be somebody it's going to get retweeted onto your timeline and if it goes viral it's going to you're going to see trending on twitter and and you yeah you you can't get away with it you can't do and that's where i like i sympathize with those guys who like are probably living their lives now and they're seeing something like oh yeah remember that time and it's like could have been me or could you know who is is an interesting one that you got you have a connection to Neil is I know ghost in the wind yeah like a dude who I would love to talk to yeah and uh I don't know whether it's hard feelings

or feelings of regret and like fuck or whatever it may be. Or maybe just like I don't want to get abused on the internet anymore. But I would have thought by now we would like sit down and maybe hash it out, do this. And he, I don't think we've ever even gotten like a direct no, like thanks for the offer,

but I don't have any interest. I think even people we've tried to get in contact with them it's just like that we don't even make it that far yeah i guess there's like no way i would i would you know i would love it but i also understand that he he had you know i'm sure he gets it still once in a while yeah i would people who know yeah i mean like i don't know where, like, if he's some. You know what, though? Like, I think as many people who know the old shit, there's just so many who don't. And, like, you know, there are people. I guess if you do know it, you're older, so you may leave the guy alone. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. The people who know probably wouldn't be like. The people who know him know that it's not the best thing to be like, Hey, remember your time at barstool. So you're being polite about it. And the younger people would just wouldn't know. But the amount of people I get who are like,

yo man, like diehard stool. You've been listening to since 2017. It's like, get lost, man. You don't even know the half of the half of the half of it. Yeah.

Um, but yeah, like trying to if you are if you live if you live this life yeah you're not going to get away with it you know i used to always say about new york i could become the biggest blogger in the world and in new york there's going to be people on broadway and hipsters in brooklyn and and people who just don't even know who the fuck i am or any of that but in certain cities and in certain lifestyles it's yeah it's hard to get away from that i feel bad for people who have dated and broken up with people in barstool it's like yeah you're gonna see their videos you're gonna see hear their blogs you're gonna be talking about

you like all that shit yeah it is same type of thing man where it was just like i just had you were going through a bad breakup really is what you were doing dude and like it was constantly there was little shit that i'd just be terrorized like every little thing that would happen like i the company i worked at was i worked with chuck naso he worked at the company and we both applied for that viceroy position the viceroy manager or whatever yeah and he got it i didn't so literally i remember when he got the call we were in the same bullpen bro and like i obviously i love chuck he's one of my good friends at the company and like at that point you must have been like i was like i was fucking distraught but i and i could see him like how bad he felt he knew like he knew he did not want to tell me i was gonna say is that one of those like totally um

i got the vice word drop it's like what did you say i got the vice word drop yeah because he's just such a nice guy but i was like so happy for him i was like dude and he deserved it don't get me wrong he was the guy for that but so do you i mean you know yeah i would have done fine but like he was like he was like i there's there's no hard like i said whether it's a pizza whatever it's a frankie glider wherever there's no hard feelings but it's like man i just how many times how many times is a roster spot can open bro i'm so so glad you stuck with it because i think you would have been fully within your rights if you will would have been totally understandable if you just said like i can't keep getting my hopes up and getting shot down i'm gonna go work for a fucking complex or something you know i was there kevin and i was it was it was it was 23 years span 2017 to 2018 i

really started to cut it out and i was like i got to a point 2018 in the spring i went on an awesome vacation with like 18 of my friends from college like bunch of girls bunch of guys and we uh you know i don't know man i became at peace with the fact i was like it's just not gonna happen it's not gonna happen yeah it's not gonna happen i was gonna let the summer go by and i was gonna you know maybe looking to join a union and just sure be whatever you think yeah you know what you were supposed to be quote unquote which was like so fucking shameful for me man like that i put my neck out there and like everyone you know people definitely had their jokes like dude what's this guy doing really yeah yeah oh yeah like people like personal life you

know friends and family yeah yeah yeah they were like they didn't understand bro because it's indescribable like to find a place like i want to work at this bar so it's like what do you mean yeah people just didn't understand it and they were it's indescribable. Like, to find a place, like, I want to work at this bar. So it's like, what do you mean? People just didn't understand it. And they were kind of clowning on you or they would just be like, they would talk about it and not realize how much it's, you know, hurting your feelings. More like that. But there were definitely people who were probably like, oh, dude, like, grow up, Peter Pan. Like, get a real job. And I had that realization, man.

I was about to turn 28. And I'm like, man, I gave it a shot. It was time, yeah like i gave it a shot yeah i did everything i did everything like i could for you guys i started my own separate podcast yeah with social media danny and like i was trying any way i could and then you know i i just honestly man i finally somehow i became at peace and i was like all right it's just like you said it just didn't happen and you were working so at that point you're working where you're. Yeah. I'm still making peanuts.

30 grand. You know what I mean? Right. At this company. And, uh, and, and, and that July. So you were still planning on, what was it called? 120 sports or whatever. Yeah.

So you're still planning on working in this field. I was going to leave the field. Yeah. Oh, and you, right. Go do some, some union shit. Yeah. I was cop fireman, union, team fitter, whatever it may be. Okay.

So what stopped that from happening? I got a call or I got a text from Big Cat. It was a Sunday. I came back from a bachelor party. And at this point, like I wasn't really talking to any of the three guys I work with now. I wasn't talking to Dan a whole lot either. Yeah. You know.

Moving on. Yeah, just moving on, man. It was time to just let it go. Right. And he texted me. He's like, hey, man, I'm in town. Meet me downtown at this coffee shop. If we want to talk, we have an opportunity with Redline Radio.

It's getting picked up, and we want to talk about bringing you back. Was that because of Sirius or uh the podcast was coming back the pot so that's when barstool was acquiring more shows got and barstool we weren't full time but they picked up red line is under the barstool umbrella so like we'd get like a rev share and like you know barstool you know there's really no barstool it's a great deal you know right right it's like if it blows up we got them and if it doesn't we're happy to just like post their shit under umbrella but whatever exactly yeah and uh you know this is i'm at peace now kevin you know what i mean i'm at peace and i'm like you just got over the girl i know and then she calls up and says do you want to go on a date

i know i was like i don't know if i could do this but i was like you know i'll take the meeting you know i'll take the meeting why not you were really you weren't like yes you know, I'll take the meeting. You know, I'll take the meeting. Why not? You were really – you weren't like, yes, you were thinking like I'm not going to do this to myself again. I mean, of course I was. Yeah. Because, you know, it's that girl you can never get over. Of course. However, I went in for the first time with truly no expectations. Yeah.

Or expecting – Like I'm not going to get hurt again. Yes, yes. I was just like, all right. Yeah. What is it? Like, no, I know. You're probably not going to get this again, but okay.

Yeah. So they pitch it to me. They're like, hey, we want to think about you, you know, whatever, which is like, you know, super awesome. They thought of me to, you know, to do that even. And so, yeah. So that happens. And to be fair, too, there were a lot of ways where I didn't do enough to maybe like make it work, you know.

I mean, you know, it's like one of those like the proof's in the pudding. Did it happen or not happen? If it didn't happen, you didn't do enough work. Sometimes it's not that. It's like you did do enough, but right time, wrong place or the wrong guy or, you know, whatever reason get overlooked because everything you did do was valuable. Yeah. But, okay, so you take that meeting. And then that's where I'm like, all right, like, hey, do you want to show up?

And I was like, all right, fine. I'll show up to the first recording. And then it's like, all right, come back next week and come back next week. And then I was the Bears guy on the blog in 2013. So I was the Bears guy. And it just so happened that the Bears, you know, they make that Khalil Mack trade. And that week one game, and I had a lot of regrets about, like, not putting myself out there more and whatnot.

And that first game hits, and that, if you remember that week one against the Packers, the Bears went up 20-0 in the first half. And I, like, something took over my body where I was like, I'm like, this is, you know, and I made a fucking crazy video and I was like, and I was like, it was honestly just pure joy. Cause it's like out of a little bit out of character. Yes. You know, I, you know, we, we saw Carl have his rant and plenty of people who are, what do you think I can find? Like Eddie Barstool. Yeah.

If you looked up like a bears, like bears Packers recap and, or whatever. And it was like, and, and, um, if you looked up like Bears Packers recap or whatever, and it just took off, and we lost in heartbreaking fashion. Oh, wait. Okay, so that's why Dave loved it, right? Yes. Because you were up crazy at halftime, and then you lose, and Dave loved the fact that you got absolutely crushed by that, right? And I remember walking into my job the next morning,

sludging in, whatever. Bears just lost a fucking sunday night football game yeah and my buddy's like holy shit dude prez blogged about you i was like what do you mean i had never i've had like two in a row i met him at the dog show and i met him somewhere else yeah and uh like never really met at the kickball too and so i never really had any interaction with prez and he wrote like i can't stop watching eddie barstool's heart get ripped out of his chest yeah and i was like that's a big deal you know yeah i mean that's that's i can't find it but i do remember now you got it Yes. Yeah. The old Eddie with, like, the beard and everything. Like, the lack of beard.

Yeah. Halftime review. Are you fucking kidding me with what's going on at Lambeau Field right now? We got fucking scat bats skating all around this motherfucker. We got Charlie Leno lining up at wide receiver. Oh, two first rounders. That's too much for Khalil Mack. He's fucking taking handoffs.

He's got his fucking knuckles in Brian Balaga's nose. This guy is a fucking stud. He's reading screens. He's coming up. He's dropping back. He's picking off. He's picking six. This fucking team.

And that Collins was going to say, oh, you hate to see that. Aaron Rodgers. That changed everything. That didn't change fucking shit. This fucking game, Bears had it from the fucking get-go. This is a different fucking team. Still got a half left. That is the moment right there.

You go, and you know it. Your brain short circuits. You're like, wait, still got a half left. And then this is the aftermath in the dark. And it's so funny because, you know, Dave loves the misery. Loves it. And the heartbreak. All right, I'm here to face the music. The Bears lost.

The Bears lost. As you may know. Today is definitely one of those drive home with the car radio off kind of nights. I may go sleep in a forced reserve. I don't know what happened. We had them 20 to nothing. 20 to nothing. Missed pick.

Running out of bounds. Bad snaps. That motherfucker Aaron Rodgers just does it to us every time. It's just, it's, I don't know. Just get ready for Seattle, I guess. We, Monday Night Football, I'll get to do it all again on primetime. So, go Bears. Dude.

And so this is what Dave writes. You know that expression, that's why we play the game? Well, this is why we blog, for moments like this. The pure ecstasy of Eddie's halftime review with the pure despair of the postgame review. You can't make this shit up. That's what makes sports so great. That's what makes social media so great. That's what makes Barstool so great.

Barstool Eddie was every Bears fan on the planet last night. He even unintentionally mastered the lighting of both videos. The halftime review was all bright and cheery. The postgame was all dark and somber. You hate to see it, but you love to see it all at once. Poor Eddie. Poor, poor Eddie. That is so true on every level.

It's what is authentic. It's like real. And that game is why you have this job. Because that Dave blog, once he likes you like that, and he knows that you just – because what it is is when Dave sees you do something that not that nobody else could do this, but you nailed it.

Like he, he saw like there's a billion people every Sunday would make a video. Fuck this team or this team's great. But when you nail it, Dave noticing that. And you know, what's funny is if you win that game and your second review is just as cheery and like we did it,

Dave doesn't even look twice. Yep. But the best thing that's ever is if you win that game and your second review is just as cheery and like we did it, Dave doesn't even look twice. But the best thing that's ever happened to you, arguably. Is the Bears losing to the Packers. Yep. Which is very ironic. I know. It's crazy. Very ironic. It's crazy.

But, you know, sort of the same thing for me in a way. And a lot of people. The misery moments are the ones that stick out. All those losses Dan had. The first electric chair with Connor Gillespie for me, you know, and then Dave, you know, I hate the motherfucker, but he, you know, that's when he hops on the periscope to make fun of me as I'm about to lose and blogs it and post it. And that's when everything takes off. The best thing that can happen is you get the cosine fromsign from Dave for, you know, being absolutely crushed. So that video is really what, like, iced it?

I mean, that video, it was on. And that's, like, Dave and I have been, I mean, that whole fall, that whole season, that's when the Bears made the playoffs. He was live-tweeting Bears games, basically, and tagging me, like, every Sunday. Just to, like, antagonize you and be the dick? Yeah, exactly, which is exactly which is like great you know um but like i'm like texting me like and like he doesn't do that with everyone and you know that you know what i mean so like no to see that like i'll never forget like when he's like oh i'm coming to chicago uh my one thing i want to do is do a pizza review with eddie barstow i was like

holy fuck man yeah there's something about uh like, your whole vibe that I know, like, Dave gravitates towards. Just, like, bigger guy, funny dude, like, the accent, you know, and I think he just likes unique people. And as much as you're, like, a common dude here, it's unique to him and when you get that with him like that's you know when you become like the baba booey to howard or something like that like the dynamic duo and so so then that happens you're then you get officially hired so that fall goes by and then and then um at the pizza review when i that was like the next time I officially met him after we've had this three-month online relationship where he's just busting my balls about the Bears. And we talk a little bit there.

He's like, hey, man, I have no qualms. I'll hire you tomorrow. But then there was a little bit of confusion because there was four of us and how does that work and everyone had real jobs and stuff. Did that get tough? Briefly. But then ultimately they were like, hey, let's do everyone. So you guys got all – you got like four full-time salaries offered to you guys?

Yes. Wow. Because that would have been weird if he was like, I like Eddie and Dave, but I don't like Chief and Carl or like whatever it might have been, picking and choosing could have gotten very ugly. It was very close to that happening and being ugly. And that's what – and Kev, you know me, what I just told you, everything I went through, in my brain, I'm like, this is going to blow up again.

It's happening again. It's happening again. Holy shit. I'm going to have to work this fucking job till 1 a.m. where I got to work Friday, Saturdays, and fucking, I'm never going to get this. And I was just convinced. And then when I finally had it. But even at that point, you're the main connect.

You're the main point of contact for Chicago. And you still were thinking I might not be the one getting picked? I still just had... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was that battered, Kev. I was that bad.

I get it. I was like... And there's even more stories where it's just like I've come so close so many times. I was like... And then it happened. You know?

Yeah, yeah. And it was just... I remember going down I-90, theedy and just being like just holy fuck dude that's so sick like i i i don't have that moment for me because it like it just we built it and it just steadily grew to have a moment of like you know triumph where it's like it fucking that's a movie that's you know do you remember like you're like i feel like i would know the song that was playing and like the car where exactly i was and like

just that moment of i just remember driving on the kennedy you know just looking at the chicago skyline and uh no radio and just thinking just the whole car ride to myself just being like holy shit you ever cry oh yeah man tears of of being like, holy shit. Do you ever cry? Oh, yeah, man. Tears of sadness, but do you ever cry tears of joy? I've had tears of sadness, and I've had tears of joy. Yeah, that's fucking so sick. It's crazy.

So it really ends up being like a four. So 2015 to 18 was a dark period. Dark, yeah. And then when did you get hired? I got hired 2019, January 1. So like a four-year period of a lot of lows, but sticking through it and then getting it. Would you? I've never told this. I don't think anyone knows this.

Yeah, I never knew that there was a period of time of like more or less kind of like fuck Barstool. Like I can't be around it anymore. Yeah. So you went through the darkness and then god because of aaron rogers the baggers because eddie you owed all the aaron rogers it's crazy if you ever meet aaron you gotta say thank you you gotta shake his hand and say thank you and khalil mac too yeah yeah yeah yeah there's two sides to the story if the first half wasn't so good yeah man and then so then you're hired and you're you're doing Redline Radio and shit like that.

When does becoming Dave's host, right-hand man, because I know we've talked about how if Dave had a podcast from Jump Street, he would be huge. And the reason why he even does have one now is because you came to him and was like, I'll do all the hard work. I'll do all the bitch work. I'll plan it. I'll host it.

You just talk. Yep. And that's still all relatively new. What? You've been doing it for two years now? Yeah, I think this August or this September it'll be two years. So from like 19 to 21-ish or whatever, right? Yeah.

There's at least like a year, year and a half where you're just doing Chicago, right? Yeah, I'm doing dog walk. Dan fucking, he knew my brain and everything, and he gave'm doing dog walk uh you know dan fucking you know he knew like he knew my brain and everything and he he gave me the dog walk podcast which i'm super grateful for and you know he thought of me about that so you know that that was huge and i just kind of built that up and i kind of built like a little cult following on my own with that yeah um which is clutch man sometimes people don't realize you don't need the biggest audience you need the most loyal audience because if you have a couple thousand people that watch you and that's it but they all buy And sometimes people don't realize you don't need the biggest audience. You need the most loyal audience.

Because if you have a couple thousand people that watch you and that's it, but they all buy merch and they all buy tickets or they all back you and retweet you or whatever, you have influence then. You have a following then. And that's sometimes I think better than having a large but whatever audience. So you're doing all that. So I do that. that then the next football season uh 2019 rolls around and that's when i um we were in new york for the opening the opening game opening thursday night it was bears packers again okay and uh that's when i made that ten thousand dollar bet for dave i got handcuffed to a a suitcase briefcase yeah yes sent me to uh new jersey

to place a bet and uh you know and that's the next day he's like and just so many things with him like which is funny by the way now he'd be like ten thousand dollars i know it's great you can drop it down the fucking sewer i know wouldn't even care but yeah so you're what you're going to jersey with the suit with the briefcase bears get smoked, and lo and behold, I'm sitting at an airport waiting to catch my flight. Dave sees me at the airport and ambushes me with a can. I don't know if you remember that video. I think I do. Ambushes me about pointing his finger in my face about how the Bears suck.

And really, it was, you know, then it turned into serious. He's like, hey, man, I want to do Eddie Mondays. He's like, I want you to call in every Monday, and I want to talk a football, bear, whatever. And so Eddie Mondays happened, and, you know, we just, you know, everything was gradual. For like a segment or like the whole show? Just a segment.

Just like a segment the first hour. So everything was like gradual. And then, you know, man, you got to have a vision. We've talked about this. Like it's always like what's next, what's next. And I was like, I was just like you know, man, you got to have a vision. We've talked about this. Like it's always like what's next, what's next. And I was just like, hey, Dave, like I know. And this is at the time Riggs foreplay is really blowing up. And Riggs is going.

You know that's going that way. Yes. When I slide in. Yes. I go, hey, Dave, like I just want to let you know if there's any opportunity to guest host, I'd love to come in if Riggs has to go. And he texted me. He's like, hey, Riggs love to come in if he has to go smart. And he texted me.

He's like, hey, Riggs is gone. November, whatever. It's in November. And I was like two days before I'm like instantly hop on a flight. I'm there. Beautiful. And, you know, I go to New York and that's like, I mean, you got to realize, man, my life in a year is like I'm hosting a show with Dave, you know, to being like to going from like, I don't ever want to even see this on my fucking screen.

I'm going to be at O'Hare working, you know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like, we talk about, like, in this point. But I was just so ready, man. Yeah.

Like, everything. That's almost, you know, the corny, like, it all happens for a reason. It's like, had you just gotten your break with PMT or some shit back then and you weren't really ready, maybe you would have bombed. Maybe the audience would have liked you, whatever. This was just like, all right, bang, bang. Like, you know and there's also this fee the the uh the reckless abandon of like what's gonna happen i'm gonna get dumped for a fifth time like yeah whatever dude i was so if i bomb that and dave says get the fuck out of here like that's already happened three times four times you know whatever so that fearlessness is just like yeah yeah i was

just like let's go it's like this is fucking you know and like that's the thing too you know doing stuff with dave like the amount of people there's not many people that could just have like people are afraid to talk to him you know what i mean like people are just well that's why but what's so funny is like you are not afraid to talk to him but not because you got the job. It's not like a chicken or the egg sort of thing. It's like the reason why you got the job is because you're not afraid to talk to him.

So people, the people who want the job who are afraid to talk to him realize they're never going to get the job as long as you're afraid to talk to him. You gotta just fucking treat him like, you know, if he's wrong and you think he's wrong, call him out. Is he stupid?

Call him out, you know? But what I do think you do wrong call him out is he stupid call him out you know but what i do think you do well me and him i think clashed too much i i maybe you can weigh in more as a viewer like listener i was sometimes thinking like if i was on the other end of this listening i'd be like all right guys like move on or like shut the fuck up or you know one of you is clearly just like digging your heels in like stop you know yeah um i think you do a good job of like you don't you push back without really arguing whereas me and him were like fuck you fuck you you're wrong no you're wrong like because we were kind of you know not same level because obviously he took a skyrocket but at you know the point of the

barstool world it was just like i'm a leader of New York. You're a leader of Boston, sort of that sort of thing. This is like you're – I feel like you talk to him and set him up, but you'll also be like, no, that's not fair. No, that's not true. Come on. You don't really mean that. Even little things like that, people won't say to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they won't.

They won't. And you're right, though. It was just a different timing of our relationships and working at Barstool. Like you came up, and yeah, he was your boss. Yeah, he was the owner of the company, but you were still an equal because Barstool needed that at that time. You were all three window screens. You guys had to combat each other.

Right, right, right. So like naturally you're more combative, where to me I was like, I need a different approach, you know? Like I'm not afraid to go back at him, but I don't think it's always necessary for me because i'm not that role i'm right an original guy at that point i think you're getting like if not already there i think you're getting to the point where people are like but what does eddie have to say but i think in the beginning it's it's just like we're here for dave and eddie's setting it up yeah no one's sitting there going well now i need eddie's rebuttal i

think now you know you've made a name for yourself enough that people will be interested in that but that is another part of the hosting. I used to even on the rundown know sometimes I was never going to be timid and not give my opinion. But I also knew we're here for Dan and Dave to be like their wild, bombastic selves. And I'm not going to derail that by being like, but actually, let me give you – you know what I mean? Especially on an NFL Monday or something. Oh, those times or college bet. And I know there's a big bet that's been lost. I let me give you you know what i mean especially on an nfl monday or something oh those times or college bet when they're and i know there's a big bet that's been lost i'm just like you know what but that's what people don't realize is like stepping

away is a choice it's not a like if you would have done that you would have made the show worse yes you know i mean you like everything is a conscious choice like people who just steamroll everything like that's not good radio either it's not good content no so like to know and it's and me removing myself a lot because i'm knowing that they're there for dave is a choice yes i'm doing that you could you have a million opinions you can talk on anything but jump in i i like there's so many things he like he don't kick back you know what i mean he never kicks back never but like there's so many things i would have a take on if he did but no it's just i am there to set up the dominoes for dave right and he's gonna knock him down sure yeah as time goes by my my opinion people will want to hear more of but it's just

like i don't know man you gotta that's it that's a conscious you have to understand that for me it was different because it was like i'm trying to make a name for myself it wasn't the day board i show was barstool radio and i needed to i wanted to i did want to get my opinion in there yep but then you know there was times where i was just like okay actually it's funny i sat down at wrigley the other day and i was looking at the netting of the fucking the foul ball netting yeah and i remember we did two hours on when they first put up the nets dave was like fuck that it's like impeding my sight lines and i was like, fuck that. It's like impeding my sight lines. And I was like, dude, a kid like just died the other day. And he was like, I don't care. And we yelled for two straight hours in circles and circles.

And I was like, I don't even think this is good. But I'm not, you know, it was like a macho thing at that point. Like I can't back down. But I think that you found that, you know, I do love when you guys get into it it's a very funny dynamic ours was you know there's been plenty of people who scream and bicker at each other with dave but yours are very funny in a way yeah because you guys are so different and there's the juxtaposition of styles and you'll just be like i don't know i just you know i don't really think that way he's like eddie what do you mean you don't think that way you know i mean the

argument the other day about um fuck, what was it? Where he was like, you're changing the rule. Oh, the Barkley thing. The Barkley-Cooper thing. I'm sitting there. It was one of those times where I'm yelling as a viewer on the other side, you know? Because I totally get what you were saying. Like, if you're talking about a starting five, Barkley is like LeBron,

and the other four people don't matter. And Dave was misconstruing that to mean like you don't have to draft other people or something. It's like your point was just Barkley plus four, whoever, doesn't matter. And he couldn't get that. And you didn't get what he was saying. And it was like it was very who's on first, what's on second sort of thing. For sure. But in the amount of people that just think that they could be in that chair. And that's not you know it's not sucking my dick the amount of people who think they can

be in that yeah it's like it's ridiculous man bro yo like that is it's walking into the lion's den and and you're dealing with it i dealt with it when he was like rich dave you're dealing with it when he's like legitimately media mogul, Dave. Because even like I said, there were times where all of us younger, when we were younger, we could argue with Dave. He was always the boss. He always had more money than us. But it could be like you don't know what you're talking about. You're an idiot and I'm the right one here.

Now, even if that's true, Dave is like, well, I'm worth $100 million. Yeah. So you're fucking wrong. And, you know, it's impossible to argue with him. But you still go in there every day doing it. I tip my cap, you know? Yeah, man. It's, you know, someone's got to do it.

And, like, listen, as much as there is all that, like, I've just naturally through this, like, I mean, and you might have a reaction to this, but I do love the guy. Yeah. You know, I do. this like i mean i i and you're you might have a reaction to this but i do love the guy yeah you know i do no i i've actually i've had ups and downs where like dark periods and and and now um like the other day when he said you asked him you know who do you want to do more content with and he said me i not only was i shocked but there was a little like soft spot in my heart that was like oh wow like cool you know and i i think if you're cool with him like there is a you know uh a love for it especially when it's like kind of was your dream and it all happened through him you know like it is you know through all the trials and tribulations

like i i i genuinely do love dave and you know what he's done for me i just can't i can't put into words man like he's grew up as 2007 as a high schooler, like one of my comedy heroes. And from, you know, me not being able to get the job for six years and being across from him every day, it's a dream come true, man. So the question is, are you going to Miami? Are we going to get Miami Eddie? I don't know, man. That's up to him. That's up to what his vision is i don't know if i'm in it or not but i've obviously i think if

if you know all of a sudden the day porno show could just all be done in person i don't see why he would not like that it'd be great but i just i don't know what he wants to do though you know i don't know if he wants how much longer he wants to do a podcast because you know doing stuff with him too there always is that reality of like he could, he could pull the plug tomorrow. He could pull the plug tomorrow. It's very interesting

when you, when someone truly does not need to do any of this. Yeah, exactly. He could stop all of it tomorrow and be set for life. Everything.

But also, if you know him, like I think both of us do, you know, there was a time where Dave told me all he needs is 10 million dollars and then he will walk away from all of it he said you give me 10 million and i

will you know disconnect and go to go to the beach forever 10 million dollars was like his bet on the reds lesson you know it's like so that dude does need it because he does need to be in the mix and i think you'll always have maybe it's not like the exact format, but he needs – there's a very short list of people who he trusts and will work with, and you're on that list. I personally think there's only a certain amount of time in this life, and there's a window to pick up and go to live in Miami, and now is the time to do it. And if it doesn't work, you come back home. Yeah. But if it does work, you are the right hand man of a guy who I think is going to eventually be a

billionaire. You know, like I do. I think it'll hit a B. I think that the gambling industry will be a billion dollar industry. Multi, multi, multi billion.

Right. And you know, when you look at those other industries, like whether it's cannabis or like oil or, uh and you know when you look at those other industries like whether it's cannabis or like oil or uh you know whatever the big things are the people who get in first are those guys who hit the b like he is the first gambling mogul guy aside from like the owners of casinos but like as far as online internet gambling's been legalized and now there's personalities amongst it so i just think he'll have unless you know unless i just i hope that you know silly shit doesn't get in the way of him like you know reputation shit but i think if all

that plays out that you could be a billionaire and if not a multi-hundred millionaire you know think about take yourself out of those shoes and if it was like if there was somebody else doing this for howard stern in the late 90s and early 2000s who was like i don't know i think i'm just gonna like stay stay home and do it over the computer yeah no i know and it's not that i'm i'm i'm totally i'm totally you know about exploring that it's just you know just depends on what they want to do you know yeah have you had have there are there any conversations like um like just regularly scheduled like hey the show's going this direction what do you think of this like production meetings if you will i try and a big thing with dave you know too like in person

is crucial yeah you're just not going to get the same interaction or what you're looking for through text or maybe even a phone call um so like, you know, and I'm not there. So that makes it harder. So every time I'm in person, I'll try to be like, hey, what do you think? And he's like, oh, yeah, fine. You know, whatever. And I'll always because I'm always looking to check my work. Yeah.

It's a weird guy to check with, though, too. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like trying to if you anybody who's ever had like a weird relationship with their dad, if it's like, hey, dad, like, you know, you want to go have a catch or something like feel the dream style. And it's like, so are you you good? Yeah, I'm good. You're good. OK, good.

Like, that's it. You know, not going to be mushy or anything. You're not going to get any out of boys and you probably won't get much discourse at all. But you want to try to make sure you're that's where I think that's the most like, you know, you still have to do that with Dave, even if it feels awkward or whatever. Some people don't, you know, make that effort. Because I always tell him, like, hey, dude, we could change stuff, too. Like, I'm about, like, wherever you want to take this thing. Like, I'll give you my input of what I think.

But you know how it is, too, whichever way the wind is blowing, you know. Right now, I need more guests. In six months, he's like, I don't ever want to talk to another guest again. You know, that's the way of Barstool and certainly the way of Dave. Do you think that you'll, whether it's here or there or whatever, do you think you are in the Dave Portnoy business for the long haul? I mean, yeah. I mean, I just don't know because, like I said, I've even gotten pretty close to his parents even.

I went there and I did some cookie reviews with his dad shout out Linda and Mike I went to their condo and everything and just talking to his mom and everything she's like

I think he's going to walk away like she thinks he's going to walk away she's like yeah I could see it happening the only thing I could see happening is I think he's getting fed up with some of the bullshit

the hit pieces and all that stuff fighting for yourself even recently I heard him say like I don't remember which one it was, but he was like, I just didn't have it in me to fight the – I think there's going to be a basketball tournament this year that we run,

college basketball tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said – yeah, that's what it was. He said if these teams that agreed to it back out when the bullshit starts coming, I'm going to be furious because i told them this is gonna happen and if you're gonna get afraid let's not even bother because i just don't have the heart to fight anymore yeah and i was like wow that's the first time i've ever heard him be like i can't i can't just keep fighting the same fight so i know i know there's another you know hit piece coming

down the pike and it's like how many times can we do this yeah and personally you know i was more like how many times he can he do it um do you so what do you think then like i don't think he'd walk away his own mother thinks he will walk away what do you think i think he'll do something in some capacity and i'm always there if he if he'll have me you know what i mean yeah that's what if i'm if he he deems me valuable i'll always i think i'll always have a role and i think oh yeah you know you'll always have a role period i think like even you could pivot to production or behind the scenes or whatever your value has been like very clearly established

I think yeah and I'm there for him for whatever he needs me for you know so we'll see I I'd be willing if that's something that he if he wants to do it for life you know but if he wants to walk away then you know I'm I'm fine here, I think you've done such a good job of establishing your own shit, too. Like, you're not just lackey, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's been some. Which is important. Yes.

Yeah, I mean, very important. Like, I think there's a very important, like, when you come to a place like Barstool, you can jump on, if you're lucky enough, you can jump on somebody's wave. And sometimes it's like, yeah, yeah, do that. Like, of course.

And it's like, or you could take the hit now and you're not going to be as big and as comfortable, but you start building your own shit, you know? And you've got, you're doing both. It's perfect.

You know, you can one hand, you know, one show feeds the other. You can finish. The important thing would be check, go check me out over on the dog walk right now. And then, you know, have your own style. hand, you know, one show feeds the other. You can finish. The important thing would be check me out over on the dog walk right now and then, you know, have your own style. So, you know, you really have become the mayor of Chicago here.

It's cool to watch because, I mean, you're very deserving of it. Very deserving because it's like one of the guys that you can trust, one of the guys that you know knows what's going on and can handle himself on the mic off the mic you know business-wise all that shit very few people that i'm like you know i can we can talk business i can talk secrets i can you know yeah we can whatever and it's like that's just a good guy it's crazy that those are few and far between and hard to come by it's very unfortunate that it's the way but it is true you're for sure one of those dudes um do you where do you think where do you think barstool ends up as a person as a kind of a connoisseur of this from days when you were not working with us through days when you are howard stern letterman comics

stand up otherwise you know you've seen all this kind of shit i know you're a fan of all of that do you think that barstool you, we know some major changes are coming. Do you think that it survives that? Do you think that the hit pieces add up? Do you think that it pivots one way? What do you think Barstool is in five, ten years? Yeah, man, I think I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little nervous about the full takeover from a gambling company.

And that's nothing against them. I think it's been a great integration so far they've let us do our thing um they fucking have stood by dave and everything so i absolutely it's it's not a knock against them but um it's just you never know if they wanted to just turn it to hey scrub it all get rid of the chick's page and make it the barstool sportsbook.com. Like, they could do that, man. You know? No, I mean, sometimes I get worried that they can do it and they're going to be like, yeah, like, why not? We have, like, 90% of our eggs in this basket.

Let's make it 100, you know? Exactly. And, like, I live in a gambling state. I gamble. Like, I think I might be okay if that were to happen. But still, it's just you never know. I wouldn't know for sure. And I like doing the other stuff too.

So I'm sure maybe you feel the same way. Well, I mean, as a non-gambler, I find I personally, those guys are going to be funny doing whatever they do. But they have had so many funnier moments in my mind not gambling you know and i love for like there to be more of that or you know somehow to integrate some more of that or something but also there's just so much money to be made as a gambler and i know that that's dave and and uh dave and i think dan but specifically dave's like true passion you know it's like what he always loved doing is gambling and now we can make money doing it. So he's gonna.

But I think that they're, you know, the comedy side of things is always where it's really. For sure. Shines the most. But, you know, with all the moving to days in like, I don't know what's going to happen in New York. New York's going to be the new like kind of ghost town. If all these people leave. For sure. I'm hoping to inherit that and grab, like, three or four more rooms because we're fucking filling up our studio.

Yeah. Do you view that as yourself? Like, do you kind of view that as, like, hey, now it's time to take back New York? I think if I sometimes I wish that Dave approached me and was like, I'm leaving the office. His leaving the office was done very, whether it was intentional or not, it was just done very like Dave's gone for a week. Oh, Dave's gone for eight days. Dave's gone for 10 days. He comes back for a week.

Oh no, wait, he actually just wants to stay for two days. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, he just doesn't really live here anymore. You know? And I don't know if that was intentional or not. Part of me sometimes wishes there was like a, I'm leaving the office, you know and i don't know if that was intentional or not part of me sometimes wishes there was like a i'm leaving the office you know we need a plan and uh and i wish he had said like you know you you run the office now you know because i do part of me feels like the the horse is out of the barn it would be very hard now to tell everybody in the office here's how we're going to do things because it's kind of been like every man for himself for the last,

you know, however long Dave's been gone. I think that the office, you know, I think there's been things where Dave followed his gut and was absolutely right. And I think there are some things where if we did things a little bit different, we could be even further along, you know? And I think if the office had a different vibe to it, which is something

i always wanted to have a little more of uh music playing and people going on each other's shows and you know i mean i can't tell how many guests come in and they go like this is heads down at your desks is what like everybody does here and partly that's because it's harder work than people realize yeah partly it's also because you know it still remained a competitive place and a very segmented place. And I think that was partly because of how we started with the different cities and how Dave kind of runs things. And I always thought it would be cooler if we were all just like cool with each other. But Dave, you know, drama brings more views and all the controversy and all that so he's right in that regard so long-winded way of saying if I were now to be like the uh the most

tenured person at at the office which I mean I guess I already am now but more in the sense of like everybody's gone now I'm the only tenured person at the office. Listen to what he says. I just don't think that's the case anymore. Part of me wishes it was because I think we could do some cool shit. It would take a lot of work. It's just like changing the fabric. It's changing the whole style. It just kind of feels like two.

This is no knock on them. There's certainly been some successful ones. But just the way that hiring happened, too, where now it's like we're getting a lot of 22-year-old kids out of college. And back in the day, it's like what made it so beautiful is we're getting this weird ad ops guy who watches Buccaneers film. Yeah. The weird bird shit is kind of gone. Yeah. Because it's just the way of, it's gone Because it's just the way of

It's like We got too big Where it's like everyone wants to apply You can no longer be Like the underdog when you're not the underdog You can't be the weirdo Renegade pirate ship When you're now just like the front page

This is the biggest best place in media to work Because when everybody Who has skills on a camera Or a mic knows to go to Barstool the front page this is the biggest best place in media to work because when everybody who has skills on a camera or a mic knows to go to barstool you're gonna get you know the cream of the crop and you're gonna get a bunch of hangers on and people who are doing it for the right reasons and the wrong reasons but you're never gonna get like the the wacko like i'm a i'm a museum ticket taker who breaks into the stadium with a butter knife. Yeah, and those are the people I always think are the funniest.

I'm the mayor campaign guy with a bad haircut. You know, like it's just not going to be the case anymore. And also just even having the dynamic of like I was this old and I worked this job before I came in. And this guy has been doing it his whole life. Now it's just like you're young. You graduate. You come here. You work your way up.

It's become more traditional. And you can't change that. Yeah. No, you can't. Trying to be. It's like the number one thing Barstool is we're authentic. And so we're not going to pretend to be this little shop in Boston with a bunch of weirdos if we are a mega fucking ship of new talent.

So you can't you can't do anything about that but you know you you you will probably be one of the last ones the last uh one of those type of hires yeah like who came after you uh in a into a full-time capacity i don't 2020 2019 20 like you're you're probably the last you and these guys but you specifically are the bookend you know it started with uh let's say jamie chisholm or manzo or one of those guys one of those weird hires or with the internet side of things it starts with me or whatever and then you're the bookend of like you're the last of the Mohicans, man. You're the last of the guys who kind of did it the right way and suffered and knew and was a fan.

And now it's just going to be like, hey, check it out. I got a TikTok already that has 100,000 followers. Can I work here? Yes, you can. You know? So props to you for that because, man, that dark time sounded dark. It was awful, man, that dark time sounded dark. It was awful, man. And, man, you probably would have slid right in

and been the funniest, most likable guy at Union 472, Steamfitter Union or Pipefitting or whatever, and you would have lived that life and been the life of that whole union and been the funniest guy there. But thank god that didn't happen man man it's uh it's been a it's been a strange road man it really has and uh grateful to be where i am and you know obviously you've always been a tremendous help and you know that's where like i just said that about dave but it's like you know you see you read people's wikipedia's as you're reading them and how you know you're a committee you have so many comedians on KFC radio.

You're like, oh, their influences were this guy, this guy, this guy. For me, like I said, I grew up on Barstool, man. It's Dave Portnoy, Kevin Clancy, Dan Katz, man. I appreciate that. From a professional point of view, it's very flattering. From a personal point of view, were you like, I mean, I know we're all winding down now. Were you ever like the party guy were you ever like the the shit face like dancing on a bar like wild

kind of like man like that or are you always kind of low-key in the well that goes into me kind of being like an asshole kid like i started drinking in sixth grade when i was 12 sixth grade now all right we gotta we've already had like an hour and a half here but we got to get into some of the good shit here. You're 12 years old? 12 years old. What, sneaking into Dad's liquor cabinet? A little, it was Bacardi. It was after a New Year's party.

Bacardi Limon. Drank it one time my whole life. Half a bottle with Barstool JJ when we were in like sixth grade. Drank half a bottle of Bacardi Limon. I threw up in his shoes. It was brutal. I have never had Bacardi Limon since. I had half a bottle of Bacardi Limon. I threw up in his shoes. It was brutal. I have never had Bacardi Limon since. I had half a bottle of Bacardi Limon.

I almost dropped off the Sayre Street Bridge. And how old was that? That's when you were 12? That's when I was... A little older, I hope. That was sophomore year of high school. So that was a little older. So you're a wild child from like 12 on.

Now, when you say you started, like you had your first drinks when you were 12? Or were you like regularly trying to party when you were 13, 14 years old? First you say you started, like you had your first drinks when you were 12 or were you like regularly trying to party when you were 13, 14 years old? First drinks, you know, once a weekend, you're sharking for a fucking

half a case of Miller Lite or whatever you're doing. Yes. God, I'm... Like the fact that that will never happen again. Yeah. Those days are over.

Never. You can... You're never going to have to ask someone to buy you liquor. You're never going to have to ask... You're never going to drink a warm beer that you stashed in the woods. You're never going to... You would someone to buy you liquor. You're never going to have to ask. You're never going to drink a warm beer that you stashed in the woods. You're never going to.

You would never drink in a million years now. Oh, now I'd be like. Back then? You know. Back then? The rush and the joy and the feeling of defeat when it didn't work. Yes. And the feeling of success when your fake ID did work.

Yes. Whatever. It is a rush and a feeling of accomplishment that you cannot, you cannot replicate. So you're, you're, you're boozing. I mean, at that, if you're young and you're doing that, you're kind of like a popular kid. No.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're, you're like, you're, you're, you're the man in high school, in middle school and high school. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, definitely, you know, middle school, then high school, a little bigger.

I was definitely, yeah, I was one of the guys in high school. I wouldn't say I was a man, but I was with, you know, I was there. What's your background? Are you Italian? Italian, yeah, but I'm like a Wonder Bread Wop. Italian? Yeah. That's what they.

So were you, did you ever have like the Jersey Shore Italian stuff going over here? No, no, no, no. That didn't reach it out here? We watched it. Like, it was huge. Right. But like, we didn't, you know, there wasn't that. Okay, because we had guys like, you know, with the blowout and the tape up. It was huge. Right. But we didn't, you know, there wasn't that. Okay, because we had guys with the blowout and the tape up.

Yeah. The chain and the fucking wife beater. Tell me, were you doing that? I had a day. You were doing the chain and the beater? I had a day, but it was, you know. Here's the question. Have you ever had frosted tips?

I have. I have. Oh, shit. I mean, I said that totally being like, you know, you had frosted tips. I was like in shape. I was like, I was a different guy. I didn't really start putting on weight till like college. Wow.

And like, so you kind of just mold into like this like couch guy. Yeah. I know how that goes, man. I was a pretty fucking cool dude back in high school. Well, no, listen, listen. You're still a cool guy. That's not up for debate. But that's funny.

So were you a little heartbreaker? I did pretty well. Were you like a relationship guy or like a hookup guy? Pretty much a hookup guy. I kind of always have. That's what I said. One of my bigger regrets is I was always a relationship guy. Were you?

Yeah. I was always with a girlfriend. And then after the divorce, I was single. But I was always like, yeah, I like girl and you know i'm doing cutesy shit with her so let's just make it so you were you were bouncing around yeah i was always trying to get my buddies to not be the relationship guys for sure that's who i was as though you need that guy yeah no i'm telling you me that's where like people may not believe that i was an asshole back as but like grammar school in high school i wasn't you know you're you're boozing you're you're pranking and you're fucking let's go eddie

wasn't it was a different guy yeah but i also think like there's when you were when you were the guy telling your buddies to not have girlfriends was that from a place of foresight being like one day you're gonna regret this or just even in the moment you were like it's just better to i remember being the relationship guy being like this was my spin zone for sure but there was an element of like i'm having more sex than you guys i'm hooking up more than you because i'm doing it on a tuesday night because i've got a girlfriend where you guys are like hoping on a party night on friday you might get some but we all know the thrill and the excitement of a new person far outweighs the millionth time

with your girlfriend you know but i was trying to be that guy arguing the other side of it were you doing that from a point of view of like you idiots you're going to regret it or just because you needed like a road dog to oh yeah i mean i hang with if you come on bro if you were like if you went into college with a girlfriend i thought you were the biggest moron insane and that still holds true. I didn't do that, but I did the next worst thing, which was like get one right away. Yeah, yeah. You know?

So, yeah, no, I was definitely the fourth side of like, bro, we only – and you realize now too. It's a finite amount of time and you got to fucking make the most of it. Absolutely. And I think that's like – I think being afraid of girls turning you down is one of the stupidest fears in the world. It is. I think the need for some sort of, like, comfort, like, is silly, too. Like, just be on your own. Like, you know, I know people always say, like, you want to be single on Saturday night and have a girlfriend on Sunday night, you know? Yeah.

But even that Sunday night, like, power through it when you're young because it just complicates things. Totally. It makes things more dramatic. It changes you. It's like you want to just live, man, just fucking party. But now, so at an older age, we're not going out anymore. We're washed up. Is there family in the future?

Bro, I don't know, man. Because that's the thing. I always kind of wanted to like establish this yeah you know it took took a little long time yeah yeah yeah and then now that i'm you know i'm here but you're never satisfied like you always want to keep growing sure um and even who knows you know what if i gotta move or what i'm just i don't know man to me i just can't i have trouble wrapping my head around being like oh oh, I can't just go do that. I got to call someone first. Yeah.

I have a big, I have a real hard time. I was watching that special on James Carlin, George Carlin on HBO Max. Real good. And there's a point where he's talking and he more or less says like, I'm a totally different person when I am a singular entity versus not.

So like even in, forget about like having a family and kids, but in so much as just like I was a single guy who would do whatever I want, pick up, go wherever, do whatever versus I now have a girlfriend or a wife that even if you're happy, I just change who I am as a person because now I'm like, I want to cater to you. I want to make you happy. I want to make sure you're good.

And when you're solo, you just, that's all of that energy and effort is going into just you. And I think sometimes people paint that as selfish. Or sometimes I think it's just a balancing of all the different balls in the air. It's like I just don't have that extra ball, right? I can just do what I want when I want. Or the opposite of not do what I don't want to do I think is a big one too. Sometimes people are like, I can just do what I want when I want or the opposite of not do what I don't want to do I think is a big one too uh sometimes people are like I can do I can just pick up and go wherever or you can just sit on the couch if you want to sit on the couch that's that's almost the

bigger one exactly um and I don't think there's anything wrong with that I think like there's you know some somehow along the way in society we have you almost you know getting in a relationship is a you're making sacrifices for everything else in your for sure in your life and that's kind of the nature of it but also i think we've kind of let that get out of control a little bit where it's like why does it have to be either or definitely you should find someone that complements it but yeah it's almost like you want to make sure you've done everything you can professionally before this hinders it yes Yes. That's definitely it. And yeah, you just,

I know the answer to that is always, well, you just haven't met the right person. There's definitely a fact to that. That is true. Because I could say like, there's probably like two and a half people I've met throughout my life. Have you ever been in love? No.

No, no, no. But I could say like, I could have seen that. You know what I mean? Like that's, did you ever like cut it off early? Like were you the one to break up or did they break up? I've definitely cut things off early just because I'm like, hey, I just can't.

You know where it's going and you're not like ready for that yet. And that's fucking terrifying. Yeah. I mean, some people call that self-sabotage and sometimes it is. Also, sometimes I think it's like kind of the mature way to be like, I think this is going to go somewhere that I'm not ready for yet or don't want to do yet or can't handle yet. So like, let's let's stop now. And I had this thing, too, where like, I don't know, like people are so like people go through so much trauma. And I'm like, I don't want to be someone's, you know what I mean?

I fuck with their lives, bro. Sometimes being I've said it before because I've never really been like heartbroken, dumped. But being the dumper is like its own bear across the bear where it's like, I don't want to hurt you. I don't want to break your heart, but I have to be true to myself. And so both sides of it suck. And it's like, and you know, there's going to be fights along the way. Sometimes I think it's so funny. It's like, if I were to get in a fight with you, the magnitude of some of the fights I've been in with people in relationships, we would like never talk again.

You know what I mean? Like if it was like you say some of the things that people say in relationships to a friend or a stranger they'd be like okay well we're not going to talk anymore like you know whatever right but you just have to stick it out with relationships for for what like it's crazy you know the standards have really dropped I think but and it's just dude it's just I'm one of those people too that realizes the gravity of that uh decision um and it's just like hey man if you uh if you get in a relationship and you marry someone and your kid and it's you're you And it's just like, Hey man, if you, if you get in a relationship and you marry someone and your kid, and it's, you're,

you're, it's a tough thing to deal with. And I, obviously I'm, as you know, you know what I mean? And I like, man,

like I think about that. The people who are like, man, I know that he's not sure about doing that move, marrying that girl. And he's going to do it. And nobody speaks up. Nobody says anything.

No one says anything. And then if he realizes that after, you know, too late like well what i mean what happened in my situation i think for so many other people it's like this is good now yeah but it's gonna change and what you hope is that you find the person who changes the right way with you so you stay but like things changed and we changed and it was like, well, wait a minute. I guess I'm immature for not having seen that possibly happening. But I also was like, well, fuck this. The equation changed. So now, you know, now what?

So, I mean, I think forever is a hard thing to predict. And monogamy is kind of crazy in a modern world where it's like I'm going to have this work opportunity and this travel opportunity and this this sexual opportunity this friendship opportunity all these things that really don't play into the idea of like i just go to work and come home to you every single day and i don't think that's the you know the worst thing that doesn't make you a bad guy or whatever you know what i mean it's like it's just how the world is now just you can't that's those are some life-altering papers that's the life-altering the birth certificate i also i never understand why we take your money and your assets and your investments and your buildings and your all that the most tangible logical things in the world and we tie that to our most illogical out of control feelings you know when you're in love it's this thing that's

like you'll die for them you'll you'll fuck them you'll fight them you'll kill them they'll kill you whatever and it's like let's make sure that all of our most important money and everything that's very real is tied to this thing that is uncontrollable what no because if you break up you can just go your separate ways it's whatever yeah but it's when it's the divorce and kids and and all that shit that it becomes like, holy fuck. But that's why I think Jeter is always the blueprint, man.

And if you can somehow Jeter it and see the future and be like, I'm going to do this until this point and then find you. And then we get married and we have kids and it's all perfect. But God damn, how hard is that to predict? You know, it is man. Because,

you know, people just sign those willy nilly and it's like, Oh, I'm at this point. You know, it works. It works fine. It's enough. And you know it is man because you know people just sign those willy-nilly and it's like i'm at this point uh you know it works it works fine it's enough and you know the time's ticking on having kids and they just schedule they do it over a schedule i'm 30 i'm supposed to and it's like man you gotta i don't know about that now would you would you have a feeling of like do you think you hit you hit 40 maybe and you're like fuck i'm now that's what's that's what's scary yes that you know i

think about i haven't thought about that yet i'm 31 but like that's common yeah that age of like for sure am i gonna be alone because you know that's not great either no that's that's what's you know that's why jeter kind of you know you gotta like if you can time it perfectly but that's so hard to do because i think what i think is crazy is we give up basically 30s 40s and pretty much 50s for kids yeah and then like maybe when you're 60 if you're still in good shape and you're happy in your marriage and you have the money then you start to travel maybe you retire but it's like we're gonna give up these three decades for the back end for like maybe one and a half until you're too old for what and the answer usually is kids and you're happy with them but you know if we could just shift it i know there's

like biology and biological clocks and shit that's a problem but if we could just make it like 40 instead of 30 and you had because what i i partied and i got the partying out but what i wish i did was more like travel after that adult stuff i'm not just going everywhere getting shit faced i want to go see a country and a show and experience and maybe live across there for a little while or whatever and i didn't do that now you know to be honest too late. I got to watch my kids for the next fucking 25 years, you know? And so, but I also do know every,

you know, Christmas and holiday and time that I need them when I'm older, they'll be there. So, you know, but it is crazy to start thinking about, let me sacrifice these really good years for, for when I need someone to wipe my ass when I'm 80.

Well, I don't know. That's probably going to suck anyway. So why, you know, why, anyway. So why limit yourself now? But these are the, you know, balancing life, work, love, and friends and all that is the most difficult thing in life. It is. But at least without a doubt, I can say you got the professional thing on lock. Yeah.

I don't know enough about the rest to say it, but professionally, through it i didn't even know how bad it was makes me feel bad that i didn't step in and try harder for you um but i also do think the reason why you're doing so well now is because you went through that yeah for sure and like i said i'm super grateful for for dan you dave everyone it's uh and maybe you know after this conversation, it's – and maybe, you know, after this conversation, maybe it was just calmer for me being a dick kid. Maybe that's how it was for us. What was your – let's wrap up with, like, what do you think your worst moment as a kid is? Give me this.

Your worst and your best moment as a kid, your worst and your best moment as, like, an employee, and kind of, like, your worst and your best moment, like, just now as a person. Worst and my best moment as a kid. One I can't tell. It's not a good thing. Excuse me? Yeah, one I can't really say. Are we saying what legally you can't say it or family can't find out or what?

I'm trying to think. It doesn't even have to be singular moments, but just like the two sides of Eddie, you know what I mean? The what i mean i feel like you're very like two sides of the coin here like you're this lovable guy who is so like interested in other people and very unselfish in a lot of ways but it sounds like when you were growing up you were like you know the party guy and the ladies man and the like you know the punk right yeah so it's just funny the dichotomy of both both those sides you know yeah i don't know the worst side of the worst side of me as a kid was just being uh you know just was probably just being i have my run of my mouth too much yeah you know i mean just being too sure of myself and just being like hey this is uh it's funny that what you did as a kid

you now know when to push the mic away. So you live and learn. Shout out to Jackie. She doesn't live and learn. She just lives. Eddie lives and learns. I did, man. You get humbled quick as you get older.

And what do you think your best moment, aside from that day when you got the job at Barstool, what has been your moment at Barstool? Was it an interview? Is it a video that you've made? Something Dave has said to you? What moment were you like, this has made it all worth it there's a couple one is definitely when i remember it was after field day um and we were i was we were at barstool we were at we did it somewhere in brooklyn i remember and we came back and i went in his studio to do a dog walk in dave's yeah and i was like you know, you're always looking for feedback or whatever.

And he's like, oh, you're fine, man. You're a star. To hear that was like. Whoa. Whoa. You know. I mean, that's about as much as you get from Dave. That's it.

Yeah. And it stuck with me, obviously, you know. So there's a lot of those like, holy shit moments. And, you know. But, you know, what's funny, it does all seem Dave centric. Yeah. holy shit moments and you know but you know what's funny it does all seem dave centric yeah like it seems to be like when dave you know gives you that seal of approval or you know you've made it with him it feels like that's kind of your benchmark for what constitutes like you made it yeah is with dave right yeah for sure which makes sense i mean he's that guy and then just really

just you know you the growth of my own show the dog Dog Walk. You see, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure you've seen the numbers from your show. And when you just see yourself going up. It's working. It's working. Yes, exactly. That's definitely a gratifying feeling as well. Have you had any, like, oh, fuck moments?

Like, I fucked this up? Or, like, did you ever feel like you were going to lose it? Or you embarrassed yourself or anything like that? No, but there's definitely been interviews where afterwards I was like, I'm mad at like i'm i'm mad at myself i didn't prepare as much as i should have yeah and i don't know if you're you've been there right like yeah i'm like it's usually like that's fine they're gonna people are gonna maybe like it it's but they don't know how much i blew it like i forgot to ask this question i could have segued into this he you know the way i asked that question fucked it up and it just could have been that much better he you know the way I asked that question fucked it up

and it just could have been that much better yeah yeah so that stuff happens for sure where I'm like but nothing so catastrophic and now really what I'm dealing with too is like Dave Bourne actually was growing so big and you know the more you do with him it's like getting called up and you're just you're you're unleashed just so much more criticism it's like oh yeah you know it's a different a lot more assholes a lot more haters are you seeing your your numbers personal numbers growing too is it like yeah it's going up and it's you know i could i gotta do a better job and some things like that but you know no it's definitely i mean you're a star baby he's not he's not wrong dude it's uh but it's very cool to see the two sides of it and like i said everything else falls into place but professionally you got to unlock big man max man mayor chicago eddie farce so go follow him on uh what do you barstool eddie

or eddie barstool eddie barstool and everything check out the dave portnoy show dog walks all week long and uh the snake drafts with all the barstool chicago guys also one of the hardest working guys i love the people who do multiple shit like I always do. I'm like, yep, he works just as hard as I am. He's in the studio just as often as I am, and I really appreciate that. So you went through it, but you did it, dude. Thanks, man. And always sincerely thank you for all the help throughout those years.

You deserve it, dude. No problem. Same thing with you, like Dan did for me. I didn't get into Barstool, but he got me into that other sports company. When I moved to New York, you were the first one to give me that job at Howard Stern, and that shit I'll always remember, man. Happy to do it, dude. You deserve it.

Cool. We'll see you next time on Behind the Block.