KFC Radio - Guys We Fucked, Marcia Clark, and #MAILTIME: Greatest Twitter Days

Episode Date: April 16, 2019

The girls from Guys We Fucked, Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson (52:30), dropped by to talk about Chris Distefano's sexual performance, getting in on podcasting early, peeing in the street, Marilyn Manson, and masturbating in prison. Marcia Clark (1:25:48) on the program to discuss OJ and her new show, The Fix. Feits is on the road so we kick it #MAILTIME style and rate the top internet/twitter days of all time, and some Thrones talk. Voicemails (40:31) include: treasure hunt, Mike Trout money, art teachersYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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The laziest hour of your day. It's not that I'm lazy. It's that I just don't care. You listen to KFC Radio. That's right, folks. It's a mail-time edition of KFC Radio. We're throwing it back. Fights is on the road.

So it's just me and Puerto Rican Puff Daddy. It's been a long time since I heard that name. It's been a long time. Nobody knows why the fuck that was even a nickname to begin with. But we were in the basement in Brooklyn and you were Puerto Rican Puff Daddy. I think that was Mom's Porch, actually. Really? That's how long ago that was.

We've done it all. We've done it from your basement, my mom's old house, outdoor porch converted to an indoor side room. Several of your bedrooms. Many of my bedrooms. Because you lived on the entire Upper East Side. I moved so many times, and I probably am going to just keep that trend going now. In studios that we had to rent, and now finally here in the house that Mush built. Probably one of the last episodes we'll be doing from here.

I mean, it does sound like early May, really. I heard from the boss. She was like, I'm leaving on May 6th. Okay. I was like, I'm coming with you then. Let's go. Let's go, Khaleesi. Let's ride.

So a whole new chapter coming up. But I figured we'll throw it back and do it old school for anybody who misses the mail time days. We got you covered today. Me and BC doing it old style with a themed episode being the greatest days in internet and Twitter history. Because last night, yesterday. I'm really glad I watched 67 episodes of Thrones

just for this moment. Holy shit, man. I mean, that's why. That's why you binge. That's why you catch up. That's why it's hard to be on the outside looking in on certain sporting events and certain TV shows and just the world of entertainment and the internet. Because when you miss out, you're not just missing the TV show. You're not just missing the, you know, final event, uh, in a sporting event. You're not just missing the TV show. You're not just missing the, you know, final event in a sporting event. You're not just missing like some celebrity gossip. That's kind of entertaining. You're missing out on the entire internet culture that revolves around these seminal moments.

I mean, yesterday was arguably in my 10 years now, August will be 10 years blogging. It was the most eventful day in, in my in my life, in my career. I mean... Bigger than Balloon Boy? Well, we'll get to Balloon Boy for sure. Because that was probably the original moment where I was like, oh, the internet is fucking awesome. But yesterday, everything lined up in such a way

that the internet gods had to have a hand in it. The rain down in Augusta forcing everything to start at 9 a.m., thereby making it a full 12 hours, that just doesn't happen. The first time ever the Masters have ever done it at that time of day with this format, with the trios and threesomes rather than the pairings and the foursomes, starting as early as they did, finishing as early as they did, allowing for enough time

in between that and the premiere of the final season of Game of Thrones, which, you know, at their peak, Game of Thrones and Tiger Woods are probably like the only thing that can go toe to toe with each other. You know, like like Thrones is probably much more niche because at the end of the day, we're still just talking about a TV show, and there's probably a million people, zillions of people who are just like, I don't even watch this show, whereas everybody knows about Tiger Woods. But the, like,

the ferocity with which people watch and talk about Game of Thrones, I think the only thing that can really rival it is the way people talk and think and watch Tiger Woods. I mean... That's a couple months of thrones though because it's like thrones is championship tv like iconic yes like it's like in the same category as tiger woods and like kobe bryant and michael jordan yeah the thrones has has transcended just

a tv show and it's become like a sporting event where it's like you have to be on whose side are you on who do you want to win? Who are you predicting to win? People are betting on it. People are making reaction videos the same way that people switch in sides. I used to be a Thrones hater because I was I was the guy who was like, what's the big deal? And I was like, no, no, I'm going to go to the dark side. I mean, I saw you yesterday.

I tweeted. I said, if you want if you want your your predictions to be like official, you got to be in this thread. And this guy, I think I had the most prediction. If you want your predictions to be official, you've got to be in this thread. And this guy. I think I had the most predictions. Of the thousands of people that send in submissions. The thought that you were not going to be in on this show after having. Do you see how many thoughts and predictions you now have on this?

What if you just didn't have this in your life? No, but I'm glad I did it the way I did it. The binging? Yeah, the binging. I think I enjoyed it more than most people that did it week to week and now like that last episode i don't know if you want to go into the episode but i like this is why i didn't do it because that episode i didn't think was was good enough yeah to like hook me i get it i respect it i know that it's a setup episode but that was the problem if that happened in the middle of season four i'd be like yeah if it was week to week i would be like i don't know if i'm gonna do

this again i don't know if i'm gonna do this well that's i mean we broke it all down on game of stools me clem and riggs and that was part of what made it such a wild day is that we all watched at the office we watched game of thrones so they all watched the masters together like live streaming electric chair style and then we did that for a tv show at night and it was sick big day for the foreplay guys and by the way this office on the weekend they don't have any of night. And it was sick. Big day for the foreplay guys. And by the way, this office on the weekend, they don't have any of the air on.

It was hot as fuck in here. Those guys were literally, like literally figuratively sweating, sweating it out on these leather chairs in their red mock turtlenecks for Tiger, like a bunch of assholes. That is wild. I mean, I knew it was Trent and Riggs, but I forget to pair together

that they're also, they're the biggest Tiger guys and also some of the biggest Thrones guys. So for them, it was a huge day for them. So we had Masters in the morning, Thrones at night, in between NBA and NHL playoffs. And if you want to, you know, for all you girls out there and for anybody, any of the clout chasers out there, you had Coachella going on. So like social media was going crazy with that. Big day. Shout out to my girl, Christina out there, you had Coachella going on. So social media was going crazy with that. Big day. Shout out to my girl, Christina Shulman.

Her Coachella outfit. It took my breath away. It took my breath away. I was like, please just marry me. Come on. I'll give you the fucking rose. Just marry me. You're so goddamn sexy.

So that's one of those days where if you don't watch the TV show, fine. Not only are you missing out on the TV show, but now you're missing out on life. Now you cannot do the water cooler talk. You can't do the talk at the bar. The girl you want to talk to is probably watching Game of Thrones 2. And the guys you're going to hang out with, they're not going to be talking. There's guys right now who just want to talk about like Yankee baseball and instead they're going to be on the outside looking in because everyone was talking about the Night King.

And I think this was the last real opportunity. Like you think about this being a show that's built for like 10 years. What other show could even, what show is like three years deep and buzzing? This is why people, people don't seem to understand this point. And when I say it, people freak out. A guy like Sepinwall says it, and people are like, yeah, fine. This will probably be the last great week-to-week, like I just said, water-cooler type of show.

Because by the time, it's not even about by the time one starts. It's like you said, you almost have to be like three seasons deep. By the time something is finishing to make it this cultural phenomenon, it's going to be like ten more years from now. Seven, five more years from now where the streaming and binging model is going to completely take over. I get when people give you pushback on that. It's like, oh, everybody who says there'll never be another Jordan, then there's Kobe. Oh, there'll never be another Kobe, and then there's LeBron. There's always something next.

But you can't even predict right now. It doesn't even look like anything's on the horizon. Bro, it would be like if Jordan played, and then they radically changed the sport. Like, what if they just outlawed fadeaway jumpers? They'd be like, there's not going to be another Michael Jordan. Like, what if they just change the fucking uh the the hoop is now 15 feet tall you're never gonna see someone dunking

from the foul line like that's what's going on with television right now it's radically changing the landscape to the point that you're not going to consume and talk about shows the same way anymore i mean for me i couldn't even get into it until it was just bingeable. A hundred percent bingeable. Yeah. And so like maybe, uh, I don't know. What are the other like major shows right now that aren't already streaming and bingeable? I don't know. But I mean,

HBO is still doing their thing week to week. Like maybe Barry will become an amazing show, but like, that's what I'm saying. It's just like, you can't, you don't see anything like even on the horizon. Cause it took 10 years to really like become,

Game of Thrones has been huge the whole time, but it's peaked now. It's reached a whole new level. Same thing happened with Breaking Bad. I mean, people caught on on the last seasons, you know, we,

me and the other television hipsters, I've been watching it the whole time. And Game of Thrones goes way back to the book people and the early, early adopters on TV. And they're all like, you know, fed up with the Johnny-come-latelys. They must hate me. I got all my theories

and they're like, fuck you, dude. You've been watching for three months. Game of Thrones hipsters are like hockey hipsters. It's like, you want the world, you're mad at people who don't watch the show, but then the people who do watch it, well, I've been watching it longer than you. Shut the fuck up, man. Somebody said to me the other day, you're a fraud people who don't watch the show but then the people do watch it well i've been watching it longer than you right shut the fuck up man somebody said to me the other day you're

a fraud game of thrones fan i said bro you were talking about a tv show like what does that even mean like i'm not committed to what are you talking about i watch it that's it i mean like yeah like i i fully admit i'm not like uh i'm not like a stan like ellie or something but like i don't know i just i watch the show i'm gonna talk about it like it a lot that's it yeah watch it and like it right that's the only two things that you could do you don't even have to like it you watch it and not like it but you you're watching it and talking about it so uh so anyway you can well you know you want to talk more about actual game of thrones game of stools is out and me clem and riggs were recording here at like midnight last night so the from, like, early rise to watch Tiger do this ridiculous

morning Masters thing. Watch a couple, you know, six seeds and seven seeds in the NBA pull off some upsets. I didn't even know DJ Augustine was still fucking alive, let alone a very, like, solid contributor hitting, like, dagger, cold-blooded shots to end the fucking Raptors. And then you got NHL is obviously not on the same

level of popularity of these things, but the Islanders, you got a guy like Frankie going crazy because the Islanders are up 3-0 all in between. On the bookends are the most historic athlete of all time and the most historic TV show of all time. And in between was playoffs. Two major leagues playoffs.

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I can fondly remember who all seen The Leprechaun say, yeah, I can fondly remember that two-and-a-half-second clip of Shovelhead where that kid just bashes his friend's skull with a shovel. Shovelhead was just called like shovelhead.mpeg, you know, like.mp4, whatever the fuck it was. And this is before Twitter, before YouTube, probably, right? Like, why were those people even filming things back then? You know, like now everything's filmed because you're trying to go viral.

These kids are like, I just want to be able to watch me smash my friend's head with a shovel in posterity. I just want to be able to watch me smash my friend's head with a shovel in posterity. I just want to be able to watch this forever on a loop. The one video of that guy who just puts on a pair of plastic shorts and takes a shit, I don't know why that was ever a thing, but it was. The first thing I ever did on the internet,

I googled the lyrics to The Crossroads. I wanted to learn how to rap Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. The second thing I did... Even if you know the lyrics, you can't rap that. No, you really can't. I mean, those lyrics, I don't even think the lyrics were right. I think they were just like a guess because those are just noises. Second thing I did was probably try to find some tits. And the third thing I did was hop on a chat room and, you know, say disgustingly perverted things.

I am from the internet. Two other men. I was two other boys. Two other boys pretending to also be lesbians. Yes. I mean, the internet was where you know i was born in the internet but the moment that i like professionally understood that the internet was a motherfucking monster and it was a like a network of like power falcon the balloon boy

and most of these days have multiple things occurring at the same time like yesterday we saw with tiger and game of thrones falcon the balloon boy he did it on his own if you don't know that story look it up right now i gotta try to find the old blogs when we were like live streaming it the story we thought was that this kid from a wild ass like carney family right they were on wife swap they were, in the circus or some shit. And I think they were like end of the worlders. Okay. Like, I think that they had a,

like a bunker. I think they're that type of people. It's funny. I had a fucking balloon. My wife knew the family because she, right? Yeah. Either,

either produced the first episode or like, I think he was like a wife swap all star, which is like very fitting. Of course he was a wife swap all star. Yeah. Um, so like, you know, she was worried that she had met this little boy and thought he was a wife-swap all-star, which is very fitting. Of course he was a wife-swap all-star. She was worried that she had met this little boy and thought he was going to die. Well, I mean, we all did. Because Falcon... 2009, October 2009.

Yeah, I mean, I started August 2009. So two months in, maybe a month in, I see the internet go into a frenzy. Because CNN had a live stream of this hot air balloon that was taking the fuck off, completely untethered, and looked like it was flying about 100 miles an hour. I don't know if that was just the camera or what, but they were like, CNN anchors were like, there's like an 11-year-old boy in there. How old was he? He was like 9, 10, 11 years old, right? He was something like that. I think he was younger than 11.

Was he? I mean, he was a child, and he was allegedly inside this balloon, just soaring. Six. Six? Six-year-old Falco. Bro, our kids are almost turning four. Yeah. Like, within striking distance of that,

if Shea was stuck in a fucking balloon, soaring away. How crazy is it? Wait a minute. That changes everything. Because we're all sick fucks then. Because I was like, give me more. I need multiple angles. That's just because you had kids.

I know. If you had kids, you'd want more right now too. Put that six-year-old in a balloon. Let's go. Send them off. It's the anniversary. October 15th. Let's throw a six-year-old in there.

Every person without parents is like, let's put a six-year-old in and see what happens. It's a KFC Radio hypothetical. Everybody with kids is like, this is terrible. How dare us even consume this media? That is crazy because it is a little like watching a train wreck or watching some guilty pleasure shit. The balloon was 7,000 feet in the air. Holy shit. Six-year-old, 7,000 feet in the air, probably going like 40, 50 miles an hour, right?

It's got to be soaring at that point. Who fucking knows? I don't see that here. It probably wasn't that fast, to be honest. It's just a balloon floating. But we were, I mean, I had a live stream, a live blog updating it, like with new, every time like new story, new news developed.

And we had like 500 comments on the blog for the first time. We would put a t-shirt on sale. Think about that. We put a t-shirt on sale for what should have been a fucking six-year-old dying in a balloon accident. Turned out he was just hiding in the air. That's El Presidente. Green lit that. That's when I realized.

This is a dollar to be made off of absolutely everything. It was a 90 minute flight and it covered 50 miles. So it was probably going like 40 miles an hour. Cruising. And then it just turned out it was all a hoax. And the kid was just, was it a hoax or were they actually confused? Well, that's from insider information. My wife was like, this could definitely happen to this family.

Like, they're crazy people. And, like, this dad may have put this kid in the balloon. Wow. So that lent it me thinking it was real. But that also means that the type that would do anything, like, they want it viral. So it's, like, caught up in this hoax. Yes, they do. Like, this Wikipedia is called the Balloon Boy Hoax.

So I don't know if they, like, later found out that the dad lied the whole time right like a hoax would imply that yeah someone behind the scheme when we found out that the kid was hiding at the time i remember it as seeming like the dad didn't know that the kid was hiding right but now looking back i mean looking back on everything i was saying on cck the other day i don't even think that who wants to be a millionaire clip was real i think that guy calling his dad as a lifeline to just tell him he was winning the million dollars, I think that was all a plan. I'm too skeptical on everything now because if you look at viral moments through the 2019 lens, everybody's trying to go viral and everyone's scamming their way to do it. People were doing it back then too.

It just wasn't as well known. We took everything at face value. So we thought this balloon boy was floating away, and then we found out, oh, my God, like, thank God he's actually just hiding. When in reality, it was probably somebody being like, all right, call the paparazzi. We're going to let this balloon go. Call the local news stations. Those sons of fucking bitch. It's wild, though.

I remember that thing coming down. It came down real slow. People were tracking it. They chased it down. They realized there was nobody in it. And then there's only two thoughts. Like, this was all a lie or like this kid fell out somewhere from 7000 feet and I was just like find the body show me where

did he land in the water did he land in the mountains in the plains like what happened the morbid curiosity of the internet was on full display which brings more than a mile high that's crazy yeah like a mile and a half high also this balloon probably could not carry

how heavy is a 4-year-old? Six-year-old, even heavier. This balloon is taking that kid up there. Well, it was like a hot air balloon, right? Those carry people. I don't think, I mean, it wasn't. It was like a tinfoil balloon. Yeah, it wasn't that big.

It was awesome. I need to get that shirt. I put it back on sale. Print me a one-of-one. I need that one. That kid is only, he's 16 now. Yeah, he's still a kid falcon motherfucker yeah the internet you quickly realize is a place where you know people are going to laugh

or be intrigued by some fucked up shit which brings me to one of the other best days best i use lightly uh not the best words but the the day that the uh internet was you could appreciate and understand the internet was a powerful thing, was the marathon bomber day, the manhunt day. Which made, I've never been more uncomfortable in my barstool career than the manhunt day. Because Dan and Dave were on the scanner and they were like directly involved with this. And I was like, I don't think we should be doing this like this was a fucking terror attack and we were like dave like outed the wrong guy remember that date like that one dude was like dave was like it's him and it wasn't and people were like there are so many

things that i can't believe barstool made it like we really there's a lot of things what was funny was like i remember scott van pelt gave a shout out to them being like you know i was getting my that I can't believe Barstool made it. Like, we really, there's a lot of things that could have gone wrong. But what was funny was, like, I remember Scott Van Pelt gave a shout-out to them being like, you know, I was getting my updates from these two bloggers who were like, Like, please don't. Yeah, like, well, and that, I mean, at one point I think they said, like,

everybody's listening to the scanner and, like, everybody's on the internet, so, like, you're fucking up our investigation, whatever. It was wild. It was, like, on one level they were, it was like this rogue journalism where people were getting real-time updates to one of the most like horrific uh events in the country's history but on the other side it was just like but this is not a game like we you know when did that happen

because i can't remember if this is accurate but it does feel like one of the times that twitter really was used as like a news outlet well and that was i think that was one of the times that Twitter really was used as like a news outlet. Well, and that was, I think that was one of the first times, I think it took a few more unfortunate incidents for people to be like, we need to stop breaking news. That's like incorrect. Like it was like, it was this guy who did it or this person's dead or this person now is here. And they were all incorrect because everybody just wanted to be number one, you know, on the get. But, I mean, we did the KFC radio live stream while Dan was doing the manhunt. They stayed up for 24 hours straight.

Dave got his nosebleed. Dan was like, he looked like a fucking mess. Nobody took showers. But they were also, like, giving the internet, like, it's real-time live information. Remember Dan was, like like huddled over his computer with his back to the camera and he would just like he would spin around and give an update i mean it was it was weird because people were like i mean if you if you were being 100 honest about yourself that day there were people who were like quote unquote enjoying that that's weird that's a weird fucking thing i I watched Harvey Strasburg at Citi Field that night when they caught him.

And I was consumed by this pitching matchup at the point Harvey and Strasburg were like it. Those were the two. They were the chosen ones. And Dan and Dave had caught this guy. It was so weird, man. That was one of the better you know barstool centric days another one that you if you're going to go through the best internet days of all time talking about barstool the grudgement day was just absolutely unbelievable there was so much going on i honestly can't even remember everything but obviously most of it's centered around dave

and his girlfriend cheating on him and him being very openly public about that. We just spent two hours the next day on the radio when we were the only serious show at this point. It was just two straight hours. It was more than that. It was like ten straight hours because it was like a whole week. Who called it Grudgeman Day? Because Dave wouldn't have named it. No, yeah.

He was just like, this is what I'm going to do. There was more going on. There was a lot of grudges coming to a head. I can't even remember what it was more going on there was a lot of grudges like coming to a head I can't even remember what it was it was like obviously him and his girl but there was some other shit where people were like interested to to see how like that was all I just type in grudgement and grudgement day barstool pops up I love that's why we have to name these things so we can find them years later so this is my blog from March 10th 2017 I'm just gonna straight up read it we've been at barstool HQ for six months almost exactly to the, 185 days to be precise.

That means 185 days of people getting to know each other, 185 days of new hires, 185 days of disputes and fights bubbling, 185 days of make-ups and break-ups, 185 days of grudges. Today is grudgement day. There's something special in the air. The place is at a fever pitch. Portnoy still hasn't arrived yet. The whole office is staring at the elevator, waiting for him to show up and head to his studio to have a nuclear meltdown about his personal life as we sit on pins and needles young page views and rigs are about to

throw punches yp was late to the office today rig snitched on him on twitter and now there's a big war going on regarding who's the snitch since yp is basically a professional snitch this is when stool scenes is like brand new. Of course, the spider monkey jumps in the mix. Potster Gaz was getting in. Sales guy Lewis was sending out tweets. And then all of a sudden, a lot of these tweets aren't loading

so I don't know what these people said, but Paula Duka got in the mix. Pauly Lowe coming in from the sky. This was right after Spags and Loud Sean had their beef. Uh, Lou wore a, so a soul cycle shirt.

Oh, um, and LaDuca said, just waiting on Jay Hammy flight to arrive. XOXO. What did, so what did a spider monkey say? What did Nate say?

Is that tweet in there? You scroll up. So basically spider. So Nate, Gaz, Lewis, and and laduka were all just dancing on dave's grave saying yo blatantly tagging someone or saying her name like waiting for your girlfriend who cheats on you to arrive at my house it is fucking wild paula duca you a wild boy man you are crazy and honestly that was right after spags and loud sean had what

i could add that to the list of barstool moments those two spags saying that he was gonna fuck uh sean's wife and take his kids and then sean like ending spags his career basically uh oh and by and then the icing on the cake 15 year old serious serious steve was here with his mom and dad to meet prez they just like scheduled coincidentally just happened to be there with his parents and it was like oh yeah well dave's not here yet because he's about to try to like internet murder his like 19 year old girlfriend what a fucking day at barstool sports that's that's very inside barstool but at the same time we basically are the internet so if you're going to talk about big internet days, Grudgement Day is at the top of that list.

What's Steve? Steve must be like 18 by now, right? Steve is probably turning 17 this year. Because throughout last year, it was 15-year-old Steve who had turned 16. So he's pushing 17. He's taking his SATs. He's going to be in college soon. I feel like things are going to go really well for Steve when he's

free. He's going to have a job here. No doubt about it. Other infamous days on the internet that were incredible. Drake and Pusha T have their beef. Drake's song comes out right as the Sixers owner gets

found out having a burner account talking shit about his own players and fans and everything like that. Those two things happen. I remember I was rocking shade of sleep in one arm, writing a like a fucking dissertation, breaking down the Drake and Pusha T beef where everyone thought Pusha T had won because he, you know, uncovered Drake's secret baby. But I was over here talking about how Drake actually was talking more about his rap career and why he's a phony, fake, tough guy rapper. And all the while, I'm looking at Roan and Sixers Twitter going crazy because this guy's got a burner talking shit about his own people with his wife and everything in the mix.

That's really when these internet days explode. When things all come together. Which is also why May 2nd 2015 Mayweather Pacquiao, the Kentucky Derby Yankees Red Sox, NBA and NHL playoffs going on. And if you want to throw in the mix, Mets Nationals as well. All in one night. That's

fucking wild. That's a day where you need your Mophie charger. You can't even have plans on nights like that. If you're going to be in this game, or you want any sort of traction on the internet, that's all you're doing. That's like when stuff is going viral, and you don't even know

what it is, because you're focused on the other three events. You can't keep up. Game 7 of LeBron over the Warriors was Battle of the Bastards was right after that. So yeah, you want to talk about things that you were missing out on. To that point in the series, the Battle of the Bastards

was the biggest thing Game of Thrones had ever done. Meanwhile, LeBron is coming back from a 3-1 deficit. And that is where I think... I don't know if it was out at the time or if I was just binging it at the time, but Peaky Blinders was also out. So i was watching peaky and game of thrones while lebron was fighting the warriors and those are the moments where you really get all sorts of internet hardos coming

out like oh man card you're not watching sports yeah i'm like but i'm watching like the greatest battle of all time over here don't tell you I'm not watching the real housewives. I'm watching Ramsey Bolton and fucking Jon Snow go to war. Uh, and those, and, and, and at that point, like Thrones wasn't what it was,

but you know, I would have been interested to see like, what if game of Thrones was going on at the same time as the masters? Because you know, the NBA was more like, you have to watch LeBron game seven in the finals. I was kind of like, I like game of Thrones.

I'm fucking watching it. But it's also not just the masses. It's Tiger. Tiger wasn't in it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No doubt. But if Tiger was going up against the Game of Thrones premiere, I feel like Tiger still wins that battle. I mean, Tiger, the world

stopped for Tiger. I mean, anything that's actually unfolding live, because you could just be like i'll have a ddr and you could literally watch it like 15 minutes later 30 minutes later an hour later yeah you're not you're not missing out on it well i i i pose this question on game of stools and it's a sick morbid thought but i was driving into the office to watch it and i was thinking what if game of thrones truly was like sports and there was some way this could be postponed? Like, you know,

remember the Phillies and Rays had a World Series game suspended by rain? And it was just like, this is all fucked up now. What if there was the equivalent of a rain delay for Game of Thrones? And I started to think about what would make that happen.

And the only thing I could come up with would be if there was like a catastrophic event was like a catastrophic event, like a terrorist attack. Right. Like, would you,

would you not suspended because of, because of that? Yeah. So like, would you not air a TV show if it was a terrorist attack? Well, that's wild though, because that also makes you,

so I think they, the producers would be concerned about like, do we think that this is important enough? If we delay this TV show, aren't we acting like it's... Yeah, it's like, well, Game of Thrones is... Because I think when there's a terrorist attack, you also are thinking about the players themselves. Can they go on right now? Shouldn't we give them a beat to recover? Because they have to go perform.

Yeah, where a show is just like... And then you could also play the card like, you need the escape, you need the distraction. Would you still watch? I guess it would depend on what the event that actually happened. When 9-11 happened, we all went home and we just watched, like, you know, news reports for probably, like, five days straight. Would you have taken a break to watch the premiere of Game of Thrones?

And then would you like talk about it? I think it would depend on like how close to home it happened. Like the Blueprint came out on 9-11. Do you remember like getting Jay-Z's new album and being like, yo, H to the Izzo and Takeover. Oh shit, he's beefing with Nas. I don't remember doing that.

But I certainly remember like the blueprint I remember being like this album's dope but in that exact moment and it was like you had to have listened to it like fairly soon afterwards like September 12th

right like what's the grace period here for these like culturally important things I feel like a lot of people would still probably watch Game of Thrones I don't know if there'd be

as much you know let me hop in the studio and do a podcast and we're gonna live tweet it and shit but I think it's that that important

where people would justify it and be like we're not gonna let the terrorists win it's the American way of life to watch important TV you know you know I wish and I know Riggs was calling it gimmicky

the bonus episode but I wish that people would do more shit like that I wish they would do different stuff like I think it'd be wild if they were just like yo we're gonna drop

Game of Thrones but we're gonna do it in the middle of the day. Just because, why not? Like a Beyonce album. Ellie called it the lemonade. I'm like, I know it is definitely gimmicky, but I want to see that happen. I just wanted to see how people react.

Boom, you can watch a whole season at once now, or it used to be week to week. We don't call that gimmicky. It's just a way of life now. What if there was just surprise episodes of shows? Or if there was a Game of Thrones episode that was live, meaning we're only going to air it once and at this time. And I know people would rip it,

because you can just do that. People would record it or something like that. Imagine what the ratings would be on that. But what if it was just like, we're going to drop the finale of Game of Thrones on Periscope, and it's only going to be at this time. And again, people will screen record it's only going to be at this time. And again, people will screen record it and you'll be able to do it.

But then you're watching the screen recorded version instead of this. Yeah, you know when you want to be in on. It's a gimmick. It's a total gimmick. And I know everybody would hate it, but I want to see it happen just for the reaction. It's funny because a lot of these days

that I mentioned here, we're talking rat beef and personal grudges, straight up people threw out when we got Bin Laden. So between that and the marathon bombing, we're talking about terrorist involvement. And then one of the other most talked about internet days is the blue and gold dress and the llama chase, which had to be the most wholesome internet day of all time.

This was just pure, good, G-rated entertainment. Not even PG. You don't even need parental guidance. This was a llama running down the highway and a puzzle of a dress. And the internet went fucking bananas. Watching in real time, watching the internet's eyes

shift and go from gold to blue was awesome. It was so stupid. It was nearly as polarizing until Yanny and Laurel. Yeah, but even that, like that one, I don't know how that was a thing too.

Like Yanny and Laurel are two totally different words, but it was that. But I almost feel like I was a little woke on that. I was like, is this someone just trying to recapture like the purity of that dress

was why it's stupid it's like people why are we talking about a dress it's like because that's the internet that's what that's a gold dress it was but it also then all of a sudden looked blue it was it literally was a gold dress like they found the one and it was gold i thought they found and it was blue well see that's the internet for you that's why that day is actually the perfect internet day because it was like there's no right answer. There's not even a right opinion because it's shifting. And we can just watch the world burn with arguing.

People were getting so fucking mad about that. All the while, we had like a 10-car police chase trying to track down a fucking llama. That's the only thing that rivals a boy flying through the air in a balloon. I mean, that's why the internet's the greatest. It's just you can find all your music, all your porn, all your movies, all your entertainment, and then you can also just find the greatest stories ever told. Like, stories that

only exist and live on the internet. If there's any other classic internet days I missed, I'm sure there's a ton. You let me know. Right now, we're going to get into our voicemails, followed up by our chicks episode. This is our, uh, KC Radio is the number one feminist podcast on the planet. Today we have two interviews featuring Corinne and Christina from the Guys We Fucked, a very popular podcast about chicks who just don't give a fuck.

And then we have Marsha Clark, who honestly is probably the most important person I've ever interviewed. I think anybody, she's the prosecutor from the OJ Simpson case back in the day. She's got new TV shows out now. Anybody who was involved with OJ Simpson in any way, shape, or form, they're the most important. You want to talk about the greatest internet day. I mean, that's always the one. People say, what's the event you

wish Twitter was around for? The low-speed Bronco chase and then the subsequent trial of humanity, not even the century, with Game 7 of the Knicks. I mean, that blows everything out of the water. The jokes that would have been flying. Oh, and by the way, I just have to shout out Black Twitter

because there weren't specific days, but the Black Twitter moments when that couple dressed up for a party and they looked like they were in the 1840s and everybody just roasted them, looking like they were old, like time travelers. The N-word Navy was another one. Black Twitter went so hard. Anytime Tiana Trump did anything, the Kanye, Taylor Swift beef, when Black Twitter gets a hold of a big piece of news, or even they just come up with their own hashtag, those days transcend anything. It doesn't matter what current events are going on. Black Twitter's going off. They are the event. They make the day happen.

Marsha Clark, not Team Adnan, though, so fuck her. I had great respect for Marsha Clark until she told me that Adnan definitely did it. And then she really had no fucking evidence to back it up. She was just exactly what Feidelberg's opinion is. She's like, well, he probably did it. He is the boyfriend. It's like, like marcia wonder you're making tv shows now

stick leave the lawyering to me thank you very much so we got a oj simpson prosecutor we got uh the guys we fucked podcast on the show because we support our girls out here our female entertainers you guys are way more uh way more interested in us First, we'll do some voicemails. They're brought to you by brewmate brewmate. It's the world's first and only stainless steel insulated can cooler for 12 ounce slim cans. That means you can drink your truly spike seltzers, uh, and you can keep them icy cold, uh, for under 25 bucks. There's also the wine solator. It's a, it's a, uh, a steel insulated cooler for your entire bottle of wine and the wine glasses. I have the wine solator and the glasses. I drink everything out of the glasses. I put my ice water in there. It stays freezing cold the whole time. It's got these tops that slip on with this little, I actually give them to my kids.

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I was listening to an interview with or about Dane Cook, where they're talking about his brother-in-law stealing all his money and burying it. So it got me thinking, and I was wondering, would you rather take 50 grand right now, or do you get a map with the state of your choice, and it tells you where all the money that is buried in that state is. So you're going to go find all that money and actually work for it

or take the easy 50 grand? Oh, I'm going on a treasure hunt, bro. I know that I'm barstool indoors for life. I know I'm not much of an outdoorsman. I know I ain't going to, I'm not inspiring many people to go out there and get your shovel and dig things up. But there's a part of every guy out there.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe not girls. Maybe just guys. I'm not sure. I feel like girls don't have the same dumb, like, daydreams that we do. But I mean, like, being a treasure hunter is something that every, it's like ninja, cowboy, fucking pirate, you know? And a treasure map is like you basically become a pirate for the day, you know? And a treasure map is like, you basically become a pirate for the day, you know? This is more just like,

no, this is almost more like you're like gold prospector. You're searching for gold in the arhils over there. Because what you do, by the way, you have this map and you find the first like chunk of it. And then you use, you pay people with that money. Okay. You know? So you're really only treasure

hunting till you find the first like treasure chest and then you take that money and you pay like 10 mexicans to go dig up the rest and then you're you break them off a little bit and then you're rich and you're not actually doing any work then you become like the like the john hammond from jurassic park like john hammond wasn't out there building the fucking dinosaurs. He was just the rich guy who funded it. I'm going to walk around with a cane made of gold from my trip. Like, I'm John Hammond. I'm going to be directing traffic like an archaeologist.

Be like, yep, yep, go get me kingpots, this and that. I'm going to get rich off of you guys doing the work. So. This is completely impractical and basically undeniable. Like, you just, you can't not do it yeah oh i can't it's it's stupid it's like first of all like what if they didn't guarantee that there was anything there is in the treasure or not like uh you're not going to necessarily like a 50 grand or more

guarantee but you are like i guess there'd be like a minimum like you're gonna say like it's not nothing you don't just like open it up and it's like an empty treasure that would suck but maybe maybe the total treasure would be less than 50 right but it wouldn't be like it'd be more than 10k or something like that right but it's like in a game show where it's like you know uh deal or no deal i'm pretty much always just opening you know going for it right unless it gets down to like mathematically like you have to just take the deal like i feel like if you get on a game show you gotta like roll the dice if you are given the chance to go on a fucking pretty much guaranteed treasure hunt you have to do that didn't they do this not too long ago didn't wasn't

there like a no one's done it and nobody can find it people keep dying i'm saying like we didn't do it we didn't try and find this you know true but that also but we came very close like we we thought about it we talked about it yp almost went and did it i mean that also once people start dying i'm out and now for content like i'm telling you right now somebody if somebody like launches a new treasure hunt we're going on it i mean well that one is still live we might do it we might it's in the area no no it's like in the fucking it's in like the four corner states it's in like new mexico arizona that type of shit if somebody does it in the tri-state area we're doing several people have died so i'm not i'm not gonna die yeah because they're like in the fucking mountains

and shit they like fell off a cliff you know trying to trying to get to like this you know the devil's peak where the sun meets the bubble. They're following some riddle and they fucking die. If it's just like, if it's just like a map, it's like, you know, go like two miles this way and one mile that way. And then you get to dig it out. You find a cave or some shit. Yeah. Like, fuck. Yeah. But again, that's where I, if it's not that physically difficult, we do it. But if, if the first leg is not that physically difficult, I'll give it a whirl and then I'll pay people to do the rest. As long as it's not all in one spot.

Hey, what up, KFC Fight Superstar BC? This is Clay from Indie. First time, long time. But hey, me and my buddy had a question. A little hypothetical for you. If you got, let's say, the Mike Trout contract, right? It's like $430 million for, but we'll cut it to 11 years. But you have to do any job, all right?

And it's like legit anything. anything so you're risking being a gay porn star or being a football coach or whatever is your dream job 11 years 430 million dollars would you take that contract let me know 11 years 430 million i have to be a gay porn star is that what he's saying he's saying it could be literally anything. So I think the hypothetical comes down to, like, is there a job you wouldn't do? Oh, God. But not really, because it's like, how small percentage chance of randomly being assigned that job would you get? So first of all, you have to come up with a job that you would not, you'd be like, $430 million is a lot of money but i'm not doing that and then you have to say is there enough of a chance that i could get that job that i wouldn't take it still not understanding that last part well i mean like we could do it

two different ways we could just say is there a job that you wouldn't do yeah all right but because he says random job so it's like okay you you are randomly going to be spit out. Of all the possible jobs in the world, you're going to be assigned one. And is there a job that you wouldn't do it for, and then also wouldn't even take the risk that maybe you'd have to do that job? I think when you look at it like that, there's so many jobs in the world, and all of them, like 99.9999999%, you would do it, and there'd be a few jobs that you'd be like, even for a quarter, half a billion dollars. I don't think I could do any human trafficking. I could be an assassin.

I mean, I don't know if I could be a good assassin. If you want me to kill people, I'll probably do that for $400 million. But see, that's where I was going to draw the line, just because it's like that can negate the money. Because it's like now you could just go to jail yeah and if i was like a vigilante justice dexter i'm killing bad people sort of thing i'd probably do that if i'm just killing like random like are you are you watching the show barry like at one point you know he's at least being told that everyone he's killing is like a bad guy but then there's a couple people that really don't deserve it and he's like what the fuck is this about you know but i don't know 400 million is a lot money, but I'm not like trafficking any little kids.

Oh yeah. That's, that's for sure out. But like, but most feminist pockets and also firmly, firmly anti, anti human trafficking. But murder is on the table.

Like, like it's like the kid stuff is a non-starter murder. We can talk. There are circumstances where I might murder for $500 million, for sure. So there's an age limit on this. As long as everybody being harmed is 18 plus, then we can do $400 million.

This is a mail time. Well, not classic. I hadn't heard this before, but this is mail time to the max. Hey, boys. So I was just listening to Thursday's episode of Action for Bronson, and because of Frankie Borelli's office questions, he started talking about school projects. Just wanted to tell you a little story, get your take on it. So I missed school for a day of my senior year of high school, and I was thinking this just, you know, give me art class for a free day.

And the teacher had done an example the day before that I missed to show the students how to do this project. So when I came in the next day, rather than doing the project myself, I just took her example that she had given and turned it in, just turned it in, kind of a bold move, but it was open for the best. And I didn't get busted for turning in her work, the teacher's work. She actually just gave me a B. So I don't know whether she noticed and gave me a B in fight or if she just

made it herself like she was a shitty artist. She did later get fired for the administration finding a bunch of wine bottles under her desk. So, I mean, anything can happen, though, as an art teacher. Alright, why don't you take it? Peace, boys. Of all the teachers, art teacher has to be the biggest joke.

That's worse than gym teacher. At least like gym, like you're going to have some memories about gym class, mat ball and good games. I mean, I remember Mr. Coons. I remember Finn and Plunkett. I remember my gym teachers. My art teacher. Well, I remember Mrs. Lear in elementary school because she was sexy.

That was a girl. That was a teacher. Looking back, she, I remember Mrs. Lear in elementary school because she was sexy as fuck. That was a girl, that was a teacher. Looking back, she was probably like 24. She was a rocket. And I remember being like, I'm having feelings that I don't even know

what's going on. But art class, I don't remember. She just liked to paint and she was like, oh, I can get paid to paint my paintings while other little kids watch.

When, yeah, you could be the shittiest artist in the world, all you have is a bunch of fucking students judging you. I don't fucking know. The thing about art though, and apparently you're drunk all the time. At least in the world all you have is a bunch of fucking students judging you i don't fucking know the thing about art though apparently you're drunk all the time at least in my experience

was that like art teachers would be like well this kid can't draw so when they saw that you couldn't draw they'd just be like ah just fucking do whatever you want right like like gym class was still like you need to have some physical activity in your life to be healthy art class is just like you fucking suck at painting dude but i don't know keep doing it yeah just we got 41 minutes left in class so like just keep going teachers just tried to find the one out of like you know there's like two good kids in school who were like could really be artists and they were just looking for them like getting a scholarship or something here i'm gonna show you how to paint and then when you try to do that and it sucks they're just like good try music class too it's

like i don't fucking sing you're just picking like very specific talents that nobody fucking has like there's like dance class and it was just like you suck at dancing again no kidding like i don't know how to do these things i'm not bored with it man art teachers they're all probably drunk all our teachers are doing and getting high and fucking that's it they get high they paint some paint things they fuck somebody in like the the student lounge closet what a life let's get into our interviews we'll lead off with christina and uh corinne from the guys we fuck podcast i mentioned them before this podcast started it was just them talking to dudes that they used to fuck and now they're uh they're two comedians who just keep it extremely real a lot

of people kind of said that they're like the female version of me in fights. And I'll tell you what, the interaction, but like they were, I feel like there was a lot of sizing up going on. You know what I mean? It was like, it was kind of a weird interview. It was like, we just kind of shot the shit the whole time. There was never any like, all right, let's start the interview. At the end, they even joke like, what do we even just talk about?

Which is kind of the way we like to do things. But this one was extremely like by the seat of our pants and fights was just being fights he was just being like a total depressed weirdo and they were like they were looking at him almost like you could tell those girls feel like they've got the guys figured out in a way and they were like i don't know what to make of this fucking kid so the guys we fucked interview it's brought to you by quip one of the most important things we do for our health every day is brush our teeth yet most of us don't do it correctly that's where quip comes in they have a better electric toothbrush created by dentists and designers

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Three. See? Yeah. She's literally $3 million. She's only worth $3 million? Mm-hmm. Beavis is worth like $400. Well,

because her Baldwin dad also became a pastor a long time ago, so he got out of the- Which one? He's not Steven, right? No, yeah, it is Steven. It is Steven.

Yeah, so it's like he's not making money the way like Alec is. Yeah, but if he gets into that pastor game, that pastor game gets big money. What do you mean? He's not like,

if it's like Hillsong. Yeah. Like those mega churches? Oh, yeah. If he goes to like 60 million years. Yeah, yeah. He could give me a tithe If you do one of those 60 milli years. Yeah. You're going to give me a tithe so I can buy a fucking private jet?

I feel like he actually likes God, though, so he's probably not going to exploit it like that. I think everyone starts liking God. You start seeing that bucket get passed around.

You're like, shit. I don't know how much I like God anymore. I like green, baby. It's crazy. They just give a bucket and they're like, fill it up with money.

Everyone's like, okay. Sure. We'll do it again. We'll do it twice an episode. They just give a bucket. They're like, fill it up with money. Everyone's like, okay. We'll do it twice an episode. Am I going to do a talent or anything? You're just reading. I'm paying you so I can read. You're just reading in front of a class and be like, anyway, how much do I get for that?

It's like having a personal trainer. You need someone there to help you focus a little bit, I think. Alright, I'll take it. Alright, we're in studio right now. Was that all on the show? A good portion. I was just on a cold open. We have K-Hutch and Corinne here

from Guys We Fucked. Yeah, K-Hutch. K-Hutch in the house. K-Hutch, my football coach. I've been hearing you guys' name for a long time. I feel like people have been saying that we should have done this a long time ago, so I'm happy to have it. As Kay Hutch?

Is that how you've heard the name? Kay Hutch? Yeah, I listened to a couple episodes, and I heard you say Kay Hutch. Oh, man. I probably did. I ran with it. Yeah. Didn't look like it worked.

I listened to one episode. I thought it was her nickname. I said it. I guess it wasn't. I mean, I've called her it before, but not like, I like it. It's something new. I think Hutch actually is a football brand, too. Hutch was my nickname in middle school for one year.

So you were kind of right. One year, and then you just abandoned it? Yeah. Just name changed. Prince style. Just like, I'm out. Yeah, it just felt too masculine. I'm like, damn.

So I don't think I understood that this podcast literally when it started was you were talking to guys you had sex with yeah I thought it was about them or whatever but every

like every episode every week just talk behind men's backs I mean that's fun too always talk behind my back that's really my thing don't ever talk behind my face well I have until now

right oh you've been crushing me back there I get it it's fine no but we interviewed guys we fucked yeah for a while and then we started interviewing comedians who've been crushing me back there. I get it. It's fine. No, but we interviewed Guys We Fucked, yeah, for a while.

And then we started interviewing comedians who've been through tough things under the umbrella of sexuality that were willing to talk about it and kind of put a funny spin on it because it was part of their story. And then we've talked to like, man, it's taken a lot of turns, the podcast, that weren't expected, but we interviewed Amanda Knox. Oh, really? Yeah. And I was like,

holy shit. And because it's a sex podcast, I'm like, I guess it's appropriate for me to ask her if she masturbated when she was in jail. Only natural. Because I really want to know.

That's what was on my mind. I don't want to get dick about it. What was the answer to that? She did. Yeah, she learned how to masturbate in prison. It was interesting because she described, oh my God,

she just described the circumstances under which she was living. And I'm like, oh, these guards were terrible to her. It was interesting because she described, oh, my God, she just described the circumstances under which she was living. And I'm like, oh, these guards were terrible to her. And it was bad. I'm sure the only thing you could do. Some people find religion. Other people find the clitoris. And also it eases the anxiety that I would imagine she was going through. If I was in prison, I'd masturbate all day.

That's all I would do. I'm not in prison. You'd do reeds? People are like, I go to jail. I read and I do pushups I'm just going to jerk off the whole time the entire time

no one will bully me because I'm just covered in jizz yeah you can make it weird no one wants to go near me for sure you're the guy

no one will fuck with it's a good first date guilt tip I'd be the gross kid I'm not talking to Timmy I'd be the gross kid Kevin's just walking around like that kid just

I heard him beating his dick all night I'm the cum guy Timmy. I'd be the gross kid. Kevin's just walking around like, that kid just, I heard him beating his dick all night. I'm the cum guy. Yeah. You're the cum guy. Oh, imprison me. There's worse nicknames.

How did you guys convince the guys you fucked to come on a podcast? Bribed them with millions, no, I just asked them. Yeah, I asked.

Oh, the old fashioned way, huh? The old fashioned way. You want to do this thing and they're like, what? Facebook message.

We play a game, we're going to subject you to it afterwards. One of the questions is you get to have sex with the girl of your dreams. Girl? Well, you know, guy, girl. I think that was like your dream game. You're like, yeah, the girl of your dreams. You know, girl.

I give you my fuck a hot chick, right? Tell me about it. Tell us in detail how you'd have sex with a lady. But afterwards, they're going to hold a, they're going to hold a press conference and talk all about your performance. And that's kind of, in a weird way, like what you guys were doing in a way.

Yeah. Like, did it get to the point where someone was like, well, like, I want to hook up with you, but I don't want to go on your podcast.

I don't want to be talked about. Oh, yeah. People, or people are like, how do I get on your podcast? I'm going to fuck you. I'm like,

oh, wow. No one's said that before. But yeah, I have, I'm single now. I was in to phone you. I'm like, oh, wow. No one's said that before. But, yeah, I'm single now. I was in a relationship for seven years. So two years prior to the podcast, I had to do a deep dive with guys. Deep dive meaning two plus years ago. But, yeah, now I'm single.

So I have to tell people that I'm not doing this because I want to do it. I'm not going to talk. It's not for research purposes. I don't let them know that I'm not going to talk about them unless I ask and they're okay with want to do it. I'm not going to talk. It's not for research purposes. I'm not going to talk about them unless I ask and they're okay with it. Got it. Yeah, I would just have sex with less people since we've had to talk about it because then you realize everyone's going to find out everything about this person and what they look like, so you're a little more

choosy. Before, I was just like, yeah, you're here. But as people bring it in, I would take a look and I'd be like, oh, actually, you do have some discerning taste, mademoiselle. I would pat myself on the back. Because even like there are a couple of people who are, you know, not aesthetically pleasing. I was like, but they were good in bed or they had, you know, great, really good personality.

Look, he's not much to look at. Well, no, it's a pun. It's not a good picture. There's a filter on this one. This is fine. Everyone knows what they look like. You know, we all have access to mirrors, so it's fine. It's okay.

It's true. Sometimes people are hot, and sometimes they're hot. You know if you're gross. Right, you know. No one's getting shivved up. I don't know if you know if you're gross. I think some people are very blissfully, like, unaware sometimes. And that's good.

I read, like, a psychological thing that said if you saw yourself walking down the street, in many instances, you wouldn't recognize yourself. What? Oh, I look at myself all the time in the mirror. I read a psychological thing that said if you saw yourself walking down the street, in many instances, you wouldn't recognize yourself. What? Oh, I look at myself all the time in the mirror. But how you see yourself is very different than how you actually look. Yeah. That's true.

That's true. I think so. I've caught my reflection and been like, ah, who's that hottie or who's that ugly bitch? I've said both, and then both times it was me. Mirrors are kind to me. Windows are. I smash windows. Whoa. You smash windows?

That's what you should put in your Tinder bio. Walking by a window is just like a piece. And I mean a mirror is just fucking a piece. Windows are. I smashed windows. Whoa. You smashed windows? That's what you should put in your Tinder bio. Walking by a window is just like a piece. And I mean a mirror is just fucking sick. Because it just widens you. It stretches you out like some dough. What's going on? Windows.

I don't know, man. Are you okay? Windows are a little like you can't see as much. No, no. In no way am I okay. But the complete polar opposite. Look up towards the sky, maybe. It was.

Very far from okay. John Fidelberg. Distant. It's going to be a live suicide. It happened in a J.. John Feidelberg. Distant. It happened in a J crew the other day. A guy, a very pushy salesman tried to get me to buy a sweater. I knew it was successful. He did. He got bullied.

Oh, you're the me of the group. Good. But he was like, he's like, all right, you got to. He gave me a sweater. And I was like, I knew right away. I was like, this is Merino wool. I don't, that doesn't work well on me. It's a thin wool. It hugs me in the wrong way. Yeah, no, I knew right away, I was like, this is Merino wool. That doesn't wear well on me. It's a thin wool.

It hugs me in the wrong way. Yeah, no, I know. Yes, I was thinking. And I was in the dressing room, and I was like, I'd been sweating so much because it's on the third floor of a day crew, which is ridiculous if you ask me. But I've been sweating so much, and I'm in the training room just trying to stop sweating. So I can put on this fucking wool sweater that I hate. You are a mess, man. And the guy ends up, he's like, I'm like

trying to like, I knew what I looked like. I look like fucking just tits and love handles everywhere. It's disgusting. Well, then you shouldn't be wearing white. The guy's like... You should get some blinders. You know horses, they have the blinders when they walk by. Yeah, oh, I know.

So you don't catch a glimpse of yourself in the window. He's like, can I come in? And he convinced me to buy. He came into the fitting room while I kind of opened the door. And it was kind of like a meet in the middle type situation. Oh, I thought you were going to say it was like a me too. And I was like, what is happening? We're on your way.

You were on your way. This just seems like an unsafe situation. It was. It was uncomfortable. I was like, I'll buy a sweater. I'll buy a sweater. Leave me alone. Are you going to return it? No, I'm too lazy for that. How much was it? Wow, lazy pussy. Just sitting on your way. It was like an unsafe situation. It was. It was uncomfortable. I was like, I'll buy a sweater. I'll buy a sweater. Leave me alone. Are you going to return it?

No, I'm too lazy for that. How much was it? Wow. Lazy pussy. Just sitting on the floor. Yeah, he's a real catch. Give it to someone for a hug. We'll work on that.

We got to work on saying no. We got to work on saying no. Yeah, what is this dynamic here? Men can say no too, you know. Yeah. Consent all around, man. I mean, you don't want that sweater. We're going to work on that. With Yeah, what is this dynamic here? Men can say no too, you know. Yeah, consent all around, man. I mean, if you don't want that sweater, we're going to work on that. With me, it's like, no is like, just tell me my arm's nice and we're good. It'll turn into a yes real quick.

Yeah, no, this dynamic, we've been doing this for like 10 years now. Were you friends before? No, never met. No. We were internet friends for a while. Oh, okay. Because I live in Boston. I was in Boston.

But how did you meet? Like MySpace? No, through the job. Oh, never met him. No. We were internet friends for a while. Oh, okay. Because I live in Boston. I was in Boston. But how did you meet? Like, MySpace? No, through the job. Oh, okay. I thought that. I was like, oh, what a sweet story. But Jared and them are very weirded out by the fact that you've never been to anywhere that I lived.

Yeah. Ten years, never been to my apartment. Oh, that's fucked up. Nothing. Whoa. You've got a lot of weird qualities, man. Let's clarify. Ten years, but, like, I've only lived in New York City for three years. Okay. And then he had a family. I'm nothing. Whoa. You've got a lot of weird qualities, man. Let's clarify. Ten years, but like, I've only lived in New York City for three years.

Okay. And then he had a family. I'm here. I'm up on Westchester, but when I was in the city. You have a family? Yeah, I got two little kids. Oh, fun. So when, that's understandable.

You have a family? No, I didn't think so. Okay, no. Come on. You hear the story I just told? Yeah. That's how I make sure I don't have to call child services. You're like a third, like a third kid. You're like a third kid.

You're like a second god uncle. Yeah, they were weirded out by that. If everyone else dies, John gets the kids. What's your story? How do you guys know each other? I have friends who recently asked me to be the godfather to their dog. What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is all going on your Tinder bio.

The wife was like, maybe not, though. You couldn't even meet the dog? Like, yeah, it was like, it was actually Sean. Sean's like, do you want me to be the godfather of my dog? I was like, fuck yeah, man. He's like, Kim said no.

That was rude. That is honestly the most disrespectful thing I've ever heard in my life. He should have told you. He should have told you. That's the most smart thing. Bro, what? What are we talking about?

It's a godfather for a fucking dog. And she said no. Well, I don't like the level that you're talking about dogs. They really think that the dog is

going to outlive them. That's weird. No, I think it means it. First of all, I think it was just kind of like an honorary dog trip.

Well, let's make John feel better. Yeah, like, here you go. You didn't really deserve this, but take it away. And the wife was

like, not even aesthetically, we will make him feel better. Well, there's just two levels to it. Number one, that they're even looking for a god't really deserve this. And then we'll take it away. And crush his spirit. We will make him feel better. Well, there's just two levels to it. Number one, that they're even looking for a godfather for their dog. And then two, that you're not good enough to be the weird thing that they already made up. That's weird.

It's unfortunate for me. Oh, my gosh. You don't display enough qualities to even take care of a dog. Which I honestly get. I was like, Kim's right. That's true. It's fair. But it doesn't even make sense because a godfather is like trying

to lead a dog, like leads you down a religious pathway and makes sure you stay. Is the dog going to church? What's happening? I think it just means if they died, I'd get the dog. Oh, that's it. Okay. Just the most basic thing. I hope the guy baptized the thing. That's what I was concerned about.

That's how you kill the dog. Drown this thing for a little bit. Yeah, we're good. And that's how Jerry died. Boy, I didn't know that one. The dog's name was Jerry. I wouldn't even want it. If you name your dog.

I mean, you could change it. You can't change a dog's name. Yes, you can. You can. When you adopt one from the restaurant, it's really easy. You can do whatever you want. If you just evolve yours into a name. If they die day two,

I'll probably rename them. They die a couple years in, he gets to keep his name. You can rename a puppy, though, for sure. It's without any mental, like,

spiraling. I don't know who does the science on this. Who's talking to puppies, being like, are you okay with this? Basically, if you give dogs treats, they'll do it.

Michael, how's Michael? It's pretty easy science. In my experience, yeah. You guys were comedians first before podcasters, or podcasters and comedians? Comedians first.

Comedians, yeah. I feel like there's a very big distinction. Yes. Things go very differently if you start in one versus the other. Well, comedians are also snots, so. Yeah. Well, comedians, we're very protective of our art form, but yeah. Right, yeah.

And we're like, I'm a comedian before I'm a woman, before I'm a human. We're very offended. Before I'm a living, breathing person. Yeah, if anyone calls us anything else but comedians first. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so it's like podcasting beneath. Well, podcast came three years into us being comedians. But anyone can start a podcast.

I mean, I guess anyone can be a comedian too, so that's kind of. Well, now, yeah. Everybody's got a special. Everybody's getting stage time. Everybody, everybody, everybody. Yeah. Yeah, stage time, yeah. Specials, yeah, but the good news with comedies is the funnier you are the better more people laugh i mean i just want to listen to

you and watch you shop like yeah you can get one or it's easier to get exposure but can you get a second one can you get a third one yeah exactly do people show up so i get it but i also think that there still is always going to be that barrier of whether you're funny or not absolutely but i i think that the like when you were did you want to start a podcast or were you like like we're comedians I'm not in that girl what the fuck no we thought a lot of people had podcasts back in 2013

December 2013 boy were we off now a lot of people have podcasts but podcast was the only medium for what we wanted to do interviewing a guy we fucked is not going to happen in front of a camera. We're not going to get the conversation we want to get. The guy can't be anonymous if he wants to.

Because we don't care about the identity. We care about the honesty. The story, yeah. And we've gotten a lot of honest, uncomfortable moments. Oh, God, this sounds like my fucking nightmare. This is... It sounds like your life. A lot of anxiety about things that are not going to happen now.

But, like, I mean, like, just, like, sitting down and talking to someone honestly. That's why he sweats a lot. Like, honestly, like, how was last night? just, like, sitting down and talking to someone honestly. That's why he sweats a lot. Like, honestly, like, how was last night? I'd be like, oh, my God. Nobody wants to know. I got to buy this sweater. I'm telling you. I might sit in a window by the way.

I would lie through my teeth to you. It was the best sex. Oh, my God. What? You would say it was the best sex, even if it wasn't? I would say you are a fucking heaven-sent goddess, no matter what. I'd be like, you're amazing. Why? I definitely think this podcast works. I would believe that you would lie to mesent goddess no matter what. I'd be like, you're amazing. Why?

I definitely think this podcast works. And I would believe that you would lie to me too and say I was mediocre. Why are you so afraid of? Life. Damn, dude. Damn, dude. Why? You do not have enough time to crack this case, okay?

What is the worst that's going to happen? What are you not afraid of? You should be afraid. The world is scary and awful. No, you're not going to get to me. No, no, no, no, no. You're not going to turn it around. I'm not trying to get to you. I'm just telling you two plus two equals four. You can be afraid. The world is scary and awful. No, you're not going to get to me. No, no, no, no, no. You're not going to turn it around. I'm not trying to get to you. I'm just telling you 2 plus 2 equals 4.

You can take whatever vision you want. Do you enjoy this? Do you enjoy this? Do I enjoy this? Yeah, do you enjoy being afraid? I'll answer that question for you. No, you do not. Well, I'd rather be this than like... Happy? Yeah, exactly. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, you're more complex. Do you see a professional or

is this just your outlet? No, this is the outlet. Yeah, this is the therapy session. Do you see a professional or is this just your outlet? No, this is the outlet. Yeah, this is the therapy session. Oh, boy. That's why a lot of people podcast. Okay. I understand. Yeah, it's basically like a couple therapy sessions a week just on a microphone.

Right. Yeah. I hear you, though. It is. Social anxiety through the roof. All sorts of fucking body dysmorphia. Wow. Dysmorphia.

Yeah, you see your pits. I'm like, where? I don't get it. They're there. They're there. Wow. You're not helping We bring out the worst in each other You want a toxic relationship with us?

We got this one This is it right here I don't think your show works the other way People have said that but I would be interested in it Actually I was on my friend Chris Stefano's podcast and we had sex. But it was after we interviewed him.

And then he asked me how he was. And I was like, yo, how honest can I be with you right now? Because it wasn't good. That's fucked up. No, but he was dumb. Chris, that's fucked up, man. No, he wanted to be. He asked.

I didn't bring it up. And I wouldn't talk about it on my podcast. Because that's like, if I was going to talk about it, it would be in front of, to his face. Oh, you did it on his podcast? Yeah, yeah, he asked. Oh, okay. I thought he was going to straight up like over talk. We were together., to his face. And also you did it on his podcast. Yeah. Yeah. He asked. Oh, okay.

I thought he was just like straight up like over talking. We were together. Oh my God. No, no, no. And I adore Chris. He's like one of the,

he's amazing. He's so fucking funny. Um, but he was like, no, honestly, you could tell me, tell me exactly what you thought.

Like, what was it that you didn't like? I'm like, really? I can, I could just say that. And you're not going to like get upset. What was his reaction?

Uh, he was fine. He's like, thank you for the feedback. I'm like, man, I wish everyone could take, but I, shit. I think he is. What was his reaction? He was fine. He's like, thank you for the feedback. I'm like, man, I wish everyone could take shit. Now I kind of want to fuck you again.

Well, I guess you guys would know better. Now you know. I feel like that is the exception to the rule. He's in the minority. It is the exception, but I saw how easy it was for him to be like that. I'm like, okay, because I don't know if I would be like that. If someone was like, yeah, it wasn't great, I'd be like, well, shut up. I got to go.

Yeah, right. It's embarrassing, but also I want the feedback because I want to be the best I would be like that if someone was like yeah it wasn't great I'd be like well shut up I gotta go yeah you know it's embarrassing but also I want the feedback because I want to be the best I can be that was the whole point of the podcast

to get feedback and to become better partners whether it's just the goal wasn't even like money or anything I just want to get money

this is 2013 we didn't even know about the money we didn't know about the money in podcasting for years we were like Mark Barron does it

out of his garage because you know this is not a lot of money in this field. Yeah, and if anything, we would be trying to get fame before money. That would be, out of the evils, that's what we would be going for. Yeah. We used to be broke.

Yeah, broke comedians. Yeah. It's kind of fun. Yeah, it was. Oh, yeah? It was. It gives you a lot of personality. So what do you mean I'm walking?

My car got declined. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that sounds awesome. Really fun. What do you mean for dinner tonight? Ramen noodles. declined. Yeah. I mean, that sounds awesome. Really fun. What are we eating for dinner tonight? Ramen noodles. Everyone's done that.

Yeah. I don't, I mean, I get the idea of kind of like remembering it fondly, but I think when you're in it, you're like, this fucking sucks. Anything awful, it's terrible in the moment, but like, it's definitely funnier than this. What's not terrible in the moment for you? I mean, like, yo, getting your card declined is never an exciting moment. Like, oh, fuck yeah. I'm living it.

Living the dream right now. In five years, you look back on it like, that was a crazy time. And living, like, many years being, like, every time you give your card, you're like, it might have canceled it. I don't know. I remember, like, I used to be like, I'd have, like, my, like, Bank of America app open. Be like, can I, like, Can I grab a 10, too? Yeah.

Do it in the mail. The ATMs are where you get fives out. You're like, yeah! Oh, yeah. You get the charges, like half the money you take out. $3 to take out $10. Yeah, they're charging if you go under $12, $5. And you're like, well, now I just don't have extra money.

So do you think that a guy could do this show? I would be interested in how they would do it. Yeah, I would be interested. I think that conversation is so interesting. I definitely think it's interesting. It's so awkward and uncomfortable. Could a guy do it? And would girls be as willing to come on as the guys are?

Yeah, because if they approach it with self-betterment as the thing, they couldn't approach it like, you know, we're just going to objectify women. Well, then it's not funny. It's hack. That's hack. Like, you've got to have some substance to it. And you probably couldn't call it Girls We Fucked. You'd probably have to call it something else. Well, women. Women. Dolls We Fucked.

Women We Fucked. That does not have a root to it. Broads We Banged. That's the kind of person who would do it. We've heard that one. That's also like exactly what a morning radio DJ said to us once

when we were promoting a stand-up gig. Well, it's a broads we banged or like guys we hugged. Like we get all those... Yeah, like every variation of guy and every variation of the word fucked.

We can't say fucked. Well, just like hugged, knew biblically, we've used. Yeah, stood next to. I'm like, uh-huh. Yeah. Wow. It's a lot of jokes that really

are 7 a.m jokes yeah yeah you know it's fine sort of shit yeah yeah yeah what's uh what's like so what what is what is more dudes death you are fucking you said you started to sleep with less people was there any point where you were like well we got like we need a guest this week i gotta fuck no i never lived my life like that. But I wanted to fuck him anyway. Yeah, that's true. It just happened to be convenient. Like, we also need a guest for the show.

Well, he was already booked. And then I was like, well, if you're going to be on, we're certainly not going to have you on twice. You're not interesting enough for that. Wait, you booked someone and then smashed him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, then you're, no. It was a mutual decision.

We were going to, we kind of booked, like, we booked him knowing that we had a lot of sexual tension. We just literally had not had time because I live all the way uptown and he lives in Brooklyn. You know how it is. That's like a foreign country. I live in Harlem and he lives in Brooklyn.

I mean, that could never work long term. So. That's a long distance relationship. It is. That's crazy. Yeah. I feel like you could, you could date somebody in like Philly and it's closer than if it was Brooklyn.

If that makes sense. It would also feel more like I would be like that's not ridiculous but then like yeah Brooklyn I'm like no chance. I would probably see you more frequently hopping on like an Amtrak and going to another city. Philly as well like an hour 15. It probably takes an hour 15 to get to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is probably longer. Hour 15 in traffic. Absolutely. It can be some parts of Brooklyn. So you booked this guy with the intent. I feel like we're bordering on prostitution right now. Mm-hmm. With the intention of making money off the podcast. I think you have revisionist history on how this guest went down. What?

I like that you guys think, number one, that I was like, I had to book him to fuck him. It was the other way around. He was the first person who made a move on me. Thank you. You said we booked. I'm just going home. Yeah, we booked him because he had sexual tension. book him to fuck him. It was the other way around. He was the first person who made a move on me. Thank you. You said we booked. I'm just going home. Yeah, we booked him

because he had sexual tension and he's a funny person and he's good looking so for the live show you need to worry about aesthetic. You know, we can't just be shipping the uglies in.

Yeah, stay home. He's in tall drink water. You know, so we brought him in and then he literally texted me that night and I remember I was already like

intoxicated at a gay club which is where you can usually find me and he was like, oh, I was just thinking like since we're gonna do the podcast together tomorrow like maybe we should like have sex and of course I yes anded that immediately like because one two drinks in that's a great idea and I'll just say whatever he could have been like let's rob a series of banks and I'd be like yes it's a great idea and then I took a cab to Brooklyn because I was already you know far enough downtown that I was like, oh, well, this is convenient, cost effective, all the good things. And I did stop on the way because I told the cab driver, I was like, I have to pee real badly.

And I just peed in the street. So this was a different time in my life. It's a different time in my life. There's definitely like a like there's a before and after in your life. Like I pee in the street. I don't pee in the street anymore. Yeah, I still pee in the street. It's like a BCAD thing. a before and after in your life. Like I pee in the street. I don't pee in the street anymore. Yeah, I still pee in the street. It's like a BCAD thing.

You're still on that level. When's the switch coming? I don't know if it's ever coming for you, babe. I feel like I should be on the other side of that. I was in my neighborhood yesterday.

2 p.m. A FedEx guy just like unzipped and just started pissing in the street. I'm like, that's where we are now, huh? Ah, fuck it. But I feel like people

with penises can do that. Yeah, it's a lot easier. I know. A lot easier for us to pee random places. Because if you see a guy peeing, you're just like, eh.

But when you see a girl peeing in the street, you're like, something has gone terribly wrong in her night. You know? Yes. And I feel like

the person's gotta go. Yeah. I mean, a guy, I guess it could be 9 o'clock on a Tuesday and Starbucks wouldn't let me use it. Right.

And we would all be okay with that. I got a meeting coming up. What do you want to do? If you're squatting in the middle of the road, you're like, that's bad. That's way more than just you. Or squatting in an alley. Squatting anywhere. It's the squatting.

It's the squatting with your pants around your ankles. Something in life has gone catastrophically wrong, not just you have a full bladder. I was wearing a dress. That's why I was like... It isn't easy. Yeah, that's why I was like into it a little bit more. But I mean, like the pain is so excruciating at a certain point when you have to pee.

What are you going to do? And that can cause long-term damage. I didn't have healthcare at the time. It's a health thing. Yeah, thank you. You're actually being very responsible. Yeah, exactly. That was a very responsible move, yeah.

Very classy and respectful in the street. Doctors would be proud. Oh, God, I'm already in Brooklyn. for a fucked up very responsible yeah exactly that was a very responsible move yeah very classy respectful in the street doctors would be proud oh god I'm already in Brooklyn I'm not worried about class

things have already gone downhill things have already gone downhill I'm already upset with myself the judgment is there's gonna be

people from Brooklyn that's more of a fucking bitch I don't think we have people from Brooklyn I lived in Brooklyn and it was I had a roommate

who unironically wore a cape around the house and that was that was the end of Brooklyn yeah it was I had a roommate who unironically wore a cape around the house and that was that was the end of Brooklyn yeah yeah I was done in some sort of like

real life superhero type shit or fashion just fashion he had a band he would also dress a little bit like you know nods to Mork and Mindy

which you know you think is fun but if you steal my mirror out of my bedroom and do cocaine off of it don't even put it back put it back you know it's a full length mirror put it back don't even put it back. That also did happen. Put it back.

You know, it's a full-length mirror. Put it back. Don't leave it on the table. Does cocaine have a full-length mirror? I know. It's like, go get a compact. A person who wears a cape. Grow up. Take your cape off and get a reasonably sized mirror for your cocaine use.

Full length. Jesus Christ. Get a plate. What are we doing here? Amateurs. That just seems like way too much to carry around. I thought the level of disrespect was just like pretty high. It's high. Thank you. And that was done. That just seems like way too much to carry around. I thought the level of disrespect was just like pretty high.

It's high. Thank you. And that was done. That was Brooklyn. Yeah. And that was my Brooklyn story. I feel like that's enough for me to write off a whole borough.

That might be enough for me to write off like a whole species. Like I'm done with humans. The fact that there's one person like this out on this whole fucking thing. I write off Brooklyn

the same reason I write off New Zealand. It's just like way out there. Your logic is so fun to me. You're wacky. You're a geek. You're wacky. Yeah, he's a bundle. He's something.

Bundle is something. My little bundle. You ever been to jail? Oh, yeah. I've been arrested a bunch of times. I've never been to jail? Oh, yeah. Not like... I've been arrested a bunch of times. I've never been to jail. I mean... I've done overnights in jail.

I've never been like, boom. You've been in jail then? Like five times. I've never been to jail. That's jail. You haven't gone to prison. I've never stepped foot in a facility. People who have been to prison would not like me saying I've been to prison if I did a fuck out.

And you know that because you've been to jail. Jail's different than prison. You've never done like the judge is sentencing you to prison. You've been locked behind fucking bars. He has no question. Five times. Five times. Five times?

Four times. Oh, four times. Three times I was under 18, though, so those are sealed. What did you do? Can I ask the press secretary to make those breasts public? That's so funny. I want to know what the fuck you did.

Wow. Have you ever been to jail now? No jail for me yet. Me neither. I think my high school was so weird where I'm shocked when I meet people who didn't get arrested for underage drinking. You gotta go deep for this guy. He went to I think my high school was so weird where I'm shocked when I meet people

who didn't get arrested for underage drinking. You gotta go deep for this guy. He went to boarding school. He was living on his own when he was 11. He's fucking weird. He's not just a normal person. He was drinking and doing all sorts of weird shit when you were way too young.

Now we feel bad. There was a silence that came over there. Don't ever feel bad. We gotta wrap it up here. What are you guys running hot about? Well, now we feel bad. And there was a silence that came over. Now I feel bad. Don't ever feel bad. All right. Well, we got to wrap it up here. What are you guys running hot about? You guys got anything you want to talk about? I'm not even sure what this show is about.

Like the topic. You got a theme or something? I thought it was about sports or something. Good. You can talk about anything. Okay. So we'll pass it over to you. Yeah.

That was the show. That was it. I had sex with a prostitute. Thank you. Good night. What are we going to talk about? I don't know. I. That was it. I had sex with a prostitute. Thank you. Good night. What are we going to talk about? I don't know. I already talked about it.

You don't have like a topic. I have a hot Irish guy in my bed. Everyone's running hot about something. Well, I mean, for me, I already did it today because it was Justin Bieber. So the other thing I would, I mean, I like to talk about aliens, the X-Files, serial killers. That's kind of my thing. Marilyn Manson, very into.

If you want to talk about that. Do you believe the rib thing? The rib thing? Oh, that he took a rib out to suck his own penis? No, you can't do that. Come on. He did it, but he did. What do you mean you can?

You can take it out and put it back in. I mean, it makes sense to me. How does it? Because you've done it. I definitely tried. You've met Adam? And like, all right, the ribs are in the way. Okay, take them out and I'll be able to do it.

Or, you know, stretch. Yeah. Just take a yoga class. Honestly, take them out and I'll be able to do it. Or, you know, stretch. Yeah. Just take a yoga class. Honestly, I think guys are more like, I'll do this. Just call it a day of surgery. I could stretch

for like years on end and maybe be able to suck my own dick or we could just physically get this done. Get a surgery. It's the easiest way possible. Put socks on

so it'll start sucking your dick. I was trying to think. I was thinking if I had a penis and it was kind of good size I think I could do it I tried to lick it just to see everyone's getting it back

it's very hard man is that a fun moment to not be caught in being fully down when you're like and also women are just more flexible usually than men

but Marilyn Manson is I mean like have you ever seen him in person he's like Frankenstein's monster he's huge he's in Sons of Anarchy so yeah I don't think So you might need several

ribs removed. Maybe take them all out. But they were there. I for one believe it, but it's like Miracle on 34th Street. You ever wonder how we all found out about that urban legend? There's gotta be one person who invented that. I'm jealous of that guy. But just the fact that we all knew it all across the country. We were all

kids. It's a fun little rumor. Who told us? The same person who made up the Lil' Kim one. The internet? The Lil' Kim one? When I heard Marilyn Manson for the first time, there was not internet. What? There was AOL for sure.

I didn't hear about it before I was in middle school. The Lil' Kim one is that she ate her stomach once because she had so much semen. Those were just... I like how he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I thought literally everyone knew these things. And as far as I'm concerned,

they're both very true. Very true. And they passed by word of mouth through Jewish summer camps is what I think it was. There you go. I actually think that's very spot on. The Jews are gossiping again. They go back to their schools, and that's what I think patient zero was. But that doesn't even make sense to be scientific, because cum isn't toxic, so your body would just get rid of it either by vomiting or if you i mean i think there was a

lot i think there was a lot of like bad boy i can't believe that you have a family and you're in westchester and you're like but the ribbon to come thing are true like those things are not mutually exclusive okay and i listed a podcast on my commute and they're all rumor podcasts you're like a celebrity flat earther over there yeah you're like the young Alex Jones. That was the most disrespectful thing I've heard since the sweater story. Embrace the Alex Jones bio. If you have gum in your belly, I fucking know it.

If you don't believe me, you're a piece of shit. And just start sweating. Alright, the book is Fucked. I forgot where we were. Daddy's mad. He's like, Daddy, stop. Fucked I forgot where we were here daddy's mad he's like daddy stop

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I took my ex-boyfriend out of the dedication nice nice and petty I love that move I'm gonna get left hanging just leave it

that's so petty I love it that's awesome. You know, it's embarrassing. That was almost like, that's worse than getting a tattoo. Maybe we go on pinball road trips well into our 80s. And then my editor was like, you want to take that far back? That is.

What is a pinball road trip? You go play pinball? We would go play pinball road trips, okay? It was really cute. We were together for seven years. Like listen to The Who the whole time? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah.

No, we had a good relationship. But, you know. That's worse than getting a tattoo is putting a dedication in your book that early. Yeah, but you can fix that. But it's not in the paperback. Available wherever books are sold. Get the paperback so you don't have to read about the pinball story. Pinball journey. Pinball whatever it was. I don't know. Something I never heard of. You are great at listening

and then saying what happened. And then you go on pinball and your color commentary judge. But they were two words that separately you should definitely know. Your bar is a unique spot. That applies to so many things right there. I didn't know what you were talking about. John Feidelberg, his bar is a unique spot.

Your name is great for your energy as well. Feidelberg? Feidelberg, right? What's my energy? Feidelberg. Feidelberg energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

It's like a word. It's Fiddleburg energy. You're like, yeah. It's a real Fiddleburg over here. All right, go get that hot Irish guy. Enjoy. Bye. Oh my gosh.

It also looks like, is that like, I'm like, did you work for NASA? Like, that's our artificial voice. All right.

Big thank you to Christina and Corinne from guys. We fucked. Like I said, it was just some, some tension in the air. Almost. It's like, this fight's gonna,

if I'm going to fuck one of these girls, are you about to be next contestant? Come on down fights. Uh, all right. It's not time for Marsha Clark. I think that the OJ Simpson trial is is literally I know I exaggerate a lot, but I think it's the most interesting and intriguing cultural event of all time. When you factor in the Knicks being in the finals, you factor in that it was an ex NFL superstar turned Hollywood entertainer.

I mean, it would be like The Rock if The Rock all of a sudden committed a double murder and was on trial for everyone to see, that was OJ Simpson. And the woman who was prosecuting him and seemingly let a slam dunk slip through her fingers is Marsha Clark. I would have probably killed myself, but Marsha Clark persevered. She looks great. She's living great. She's in Hollywood. She's in storytelling now. She's making TV shows, and she's at peace with everything that happened in the OJ case. And she was a phenomenal interview. If I was her, I would need my common comfort weighted blanket every single night to even try to fall asleep. I need it right now. And I didn't go through a traumatic experience like the OJ Simpson trial. I'm just a blogger and I still can't go to sleep without my weighted blanket. Common comfort. I brought it to the office. I brought it to watch

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Can I just say, I love your radio. I am. Here I am. I can't believe it either. Can I just say, I love your hoodie. Thank you. Very warm. Oh my God. Very warm. I'm squeezing his arm right now. It's like embarrassing. I probably start sweating in the middle of this because it's getting a little hot in

here. Kevin created it. Yeah. This is an original. You can buy it if you would like. I would like to maybe give you one. Oh my God. You did?

Really? Seriously? It's so cool. Thank you. I didn't pay her for this. He didn't. He really didn't. And I'm going crazy for your hoodie. I mean, I do have a thing for hoodies.

It's the best clothing item ever made. I like how I said you created it. You invented fucking hoodies. I actually sewed it. I came up with the concept the whole night. He's the perfect man. He sews. I mean, it's like, oh god. You came up with the concept for your new tv show that's

what we're here for the fix you co-wrote it you produced it um and it is the story of a uh superstar who murders his girlfriend and her friend um so where did the concept for this come is that did that come to you in a dream or was that is there any sort of inspiration behind no i don't know. I just woke up one day and said, you know. So, you know, it's my origin story kind of and we depart from there. But what happened was the co-creators, Liz Craft and Sarah Fane, I had worked on another project with them, with Laurie Zaks from Mandible Films, our production company. And we, the three of us, had worked up on a pilot for NBC based on my series of books

that features a criminal defense attorney. When that didn't go, a few weeks later, they called me up and they said, hey, Marsha, we got an idea for a show. High profile defendant. Then this prosecutor loses the case and she leaves the DA's office. What do you think? And I said, it's not me, though, right? And she, not you, not you. It's not you. It's not you. It's not you. And I said, I'm in. But we really did think, you know, we want this to be, yeah, that's the departure point because it gets everybody on the same page. We know what we're talking about here. A prosecutor had the high stakes, you know, lost the case, devastated by it. Now what? It's believed that he killed again. Eight

years later, you've got to come back and see if you can bring him to justice. And it was like, great, a completely fictional case. And so everything about it is fictional. Robin Tunney, who plays the lead prosecutor, not me. And she's not trying to play me. And that's really that's very purposeful. I know you're laughing. How many times can you say? She didn't have my life at all. She didn't have children. She did a lot of things that are completely different and purposefully so. So she went up to Washington State and started this horse farm that looks like a Nancy Meyers film. It's a gorgeous place, by the way.

Shooting there was so much fun. Real horsies everywhere. I love horsies and goats. And so she has this hunky cowboy boyfriend. I didn't have that either. So, you know what I mean? That was all fantasy. I didn't have that either. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. That was all fantasy. We had fun with that.

And then she comes back eight years later when her former trial partner says, hey, we think he killed again. You got to get him. And that case is completely fictional and different, totally different. So I just don't want people to be misled and think that they're seeing a retelling of the Simpson case. They're not. Right. They're really not. No, but I mean, the inspiration is there.

The inspiration is there. People know. And it did. I mean, I find that to be, especially because it was intertwined with the Knicks in the finals. And there's documentaries about that from a sports point of view. I think it's the most interesting thing to ever happen. But it's got to be so weird to have been a part of it. And, you know, I feel like people almost lose sight of the fact that there were two people who were like grizzly murders.

Even just a couple of days ago on our podcast, we're joking about O.J. and it becomes part of pop culture. Is that weird when it's like, hey, guys, this is actually a horrendous murder, a horrendous trial. It was rough for me, my family, all that. Yeah, I think people do lose sight of that. And I think they I understand that. I understand why they do. You don't want to remember. You don't want to think about the horribleness of these two innocent people who were so brutally slaughtered that can't.

There's no fun in that. There's just tragedy and devastation there. And so it's easy to forget because it did become. And that's part of the problem with the whole trial. It became this media circus. You know, it was all about the data data data up here with all the problem with the whole trial. It became this media circus. You know, it was all about the da-da-da-da-da up here with all the commentary and the clowns. I mean, literally, some of these commentators were clowns. So it became about everything except the evidence. And that was like one of the saddest things about that experience was the painfulness of that. So nobody wants to remember that. And I get it. But it's the truth. I mean, that is what happened. So we don't spend any time on that past in the fix. That case is in the past and it's eight years in the past. And we really don't talk about it. We talk about what's happening now and whether or not this defendant committed this crime. And in every episode, we build it.

There are cliffhangers, there are twists and turns, but we really never go to court. These are case, this is all about what happens behind the scenes. Because I feel like when we sat down to talk about this, like, do we really want to be in court? Have you not seen enough? We've seen enough of that. I mean, been there, done that. What's interesting is what happens behind the scenes, how these people deal with the case in terms of their personal lives. And we go home with everybody. So you see how Seve Johnson, the accused, how he's dealing with his life, his children, his ex-wife, his girlfriend. You see Robin Tunney plays the lead prosecutor, how she deals with her life, the love triangle with the cowboy up in Washington and the former trial partner here. And then you see the DA. You see also the defense attorney played by Scott Cohen.

Brilliant. You'll love him. You know, he seems like a complete snake, but he actually has more layers to him. And you'll see those. So everything is about behind the scenes and how they affect the case effects and personally as well as their personal lives and how they try to manipulate public opinion through social media. Because part of our mission is to show like what happens if a big high profile case happens in today's world with facebook snapchat and all the rest of it imagine well it's kind of happening right now right like with in hollywood with like laurie lachlan and uh felicity huffman right that's that's that's gotten we were kind of talking about that the other day because that's gotten so much

play where it's great where like yes what they did was a crime. But people act like they're murderers, too. Oh, my God. It's a million-dollar bill. They caught Twitter on this. They dropped from that. Well, because part of that, I think part of that is the way people love to see celebrities get taken down. You know what I mean? The rich and the famous, oh, that's schadenfreude.

You know what I mean? So, yeah, you got yours kind of thing. Right. There's that. But there's also, I mean, there's a real injustice that it exposes in terms of college admissions, which should be a meritocracy and isn't, you know. It just isn't. So just move on. I feel you. You're right. But shut the fuck up. This is how it's going to go. In Utopia, everyone should have equal access. They don't. They don't. I mean, you're absolutely right. They don't. And, you know, but the thing that's painful about it is there are so many deserving kids that don't. They don't. I mean, you're absolutely right.

They don't. And, you know, but the thing that's painful about it is there are so many deserving kids that don't get into Ivy League schools because daddy doesn't have the money to buy a wing who are so talented and can never get considered by places like Google, Microsoft, Apple, because they don't have that Ivy League school in their resume. So I look to not the schools. I look to the companies and I say, why don't you? Yeah. They're getting sued now. Someone's suing them for $500 billion because their

son didn't get some. With a B. With a B? Oh, why not? Because their son didn't get into college. And the crazy thing about that too is like it really, it didn't affect you at all. If it was your son trying to be on the woman's crew team, then it had nothing to do with him. He did not lose any spot.

I promise you. 500 million. But that's what's so crazy. I mean, people just like pull a number out of a hat. I was doing a thing for Facebook Live yesterday where they said they'd give me a log line to read about a case and say whether it was real or fake. And one of them was a guy who's the dry cleaners lost his pants and he sued them for $570 million. Literally, true case. When you lose your favorite pair of pants,

that's priceless. That actually is serious. That's very serious. So you use this hoodie? Yeah. At least $600 million. Oh, that's a billion. Oh, no, a billion.

Do you keep up with a lot of the high-profile cases? Yeah. I mean, I don't, you know, I mean, I don't go crazy, but you know. But you keep it on it?

I know, yeah. Did you listen to Serial? Of course I did, twice. I did it, right? Oh, God, know. No, of course, but you keep it on it. Did you listen to Serial? Of course I did, twice. Adnan did it, right? Oh, God, yes. No! Fuck it, that's it. Interview's over.

Okay, wait. Fuck you, Brent. No, no, no. No, no, no. Okay, wait, wait, wait. This is the best interview ever. Let me just ask you a question. Then who?

If not Adnan. I think that Jay or Don could have got just as much of attention as Adnan did. If they didn't get that call that said look into the boyfriend, those cops wanted to pin it on someone, they had one lead and they made it work. They backdoored that shit.

So much to say here. Oh my god, so much. You think that there was enough evidence? Like whether or not you did? Yeah, fine. Whatever. I mean, we know about how evidence can affect you. So I think at the very least, the cell phones triangulating and all that shit was fugazi. You know what? That's true. There was actually an issue with the prosecution's timeline that I thought never kind of squared up. And in that case, I don't I just don't think they had actually all of the details. I don't think they had enough information to base the timeline

on that. And I think that actually caused more confusion, caused more problems than it solved. I don't know that they know exactly when things happened. That said, when you see when you see it all put together in a more logical way, it feels to me and I'm not necessarily commenting on whether the evidence was legally sufficient, because that's a whole separate technical legal issue. But, you know, if you ask my sense of things, my guess is that he did it because his motive feels like much more real to me. Jay, what motive? Why would he kill this girl? I mean, we don't have all day. Do you think that if Adnan's lawyer got a haircut in the middle of the trial? Would have made all the difference.

I mean, you know, it's all about. That's crazy. Were you just like, fuck it, I'm doing it because that would. No, I didn't. I didn't do that. Appearance be picked apart. It was ridiculous. I just felt to me like everybody had lost sight of what was real and what was important.

That's what it felt like to me. The funny thing is, I didn't cut my hair. I mean, I cut my hair before the trial, just because I knew I wouldn't have time during the trial. But what happened was, I had two little boys under the age of five. I did not have time to play with my hair. I'm working. So I got a perm

because my hair is naturally straight, and I didn't want it to blow dry it out. You live to regret these things anyway. So I had a perm and then the perm, like I didn't have time to get it re-permed because I was in trial. And so I just had to blow it forever. It never ended. So I had to blow it out and that's what happened. And so there was no conscious effort to change anything. It's just, I had no choice. And then this big deal got made of it. Like it left me speechless, actually. I said, what? I mean, really? Seriously? And so, you know, so the question that is kind of poignant today, would the media still do that if a woman is in a high profile double murder trial, make a big deal of her hair, her makeup, her clothing? Would that still happen?

I bet the public would. I don't know if the media who are writing articles about it would. I think one person would, and then they would get run off Twitter. Everyone would be like, nope, not doing it. No, the media would cover the people who are commenting on it. That's how they would get around it. Yeah, right, right. Do you think it would be easier or harder now to try that case?

Like, yes, there's all of the new there's social media. But like, could that have helped you? Would there have been such an outcry of people being like this fucking guy did it? Yeah. That it would have helped. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it is kind of one of the questions we try to answer in the course of the fix.

Right. It's like, how does social media impact and how do the lawyers use social media to manipulate public opinion? How successful are they at doing that? So I don't know if I can answer the question. There's so much pro and con there. I think you're right. People would be weighing in to say, you know, I think he totally did it and this is why. But then you get pushback.

You get pushback on everything. You can get pushback on the sun rising tomorrow. Right. So then you're going to have both sides. You're going to have a lot of back and forth. I don't know where that lands, you know? Yeah. I mean, with the racial aspect. Yes, we still have it. I was going to say we've come forward. Actually, I don't know if we have. I was going to say like things are a little different, like racially. No, they're not really. Yeah, we're very similar. Yeah. Things are still in that stuff is still in play. I think

the racial issue is still in play. There's no question in my mind about that. The issues about the injustice in the criminal justice system when it comes to people of color, black, brown, doesn't matter. Still true. Still happening. But the domestic violence issue is one that we understand better. There actually has been, I think, an awareness raising in terms of that. So that is kind of the silver lining of that case. Right.

You spoke about the injustice. Didn't two jurors afterwards say that they knew he did it, but it was time for them to win one? I don't know that the jurors said that. Certainly people said that. Oh, I thought maybe I misread it then. Two jurors did vote for guilty, from what I understand. One of them was African-American. I've heard so many different things that I don't want to repeat what might just be rumors.

But that much I believe is true. I think it's fascinating how much you have moved on in a way I don't think I would it consumes me I'll sit in the shower all day long thinking I should have said this in that argument or I should have said that it would drive me nuts to just think about how

how he fucking did it you seem so pleasant and happy, everyone here is like she's great to just think about how he fucking did it. He seemed so pleasant and happy. Everyone here is like, she's great. We want her back on the show. I would be miserable. I would be the most curmudgeon. I was.

Oh, I was. I totally was. Are you kidding? Yeah. Oh, my God. I was depressed. I was depressed. I was devastated.

I was shredded. I was a mess. It was horrifying. It was, yeah, horrifying for a very long time. And in some ways still is and always will be. You know, you can't live in that place for the rest of your life because you can't. It doesn't help anything. It doesn't change anything. So at some point you have to say, okay, I have to accept that this is what happened and accept why. And I think one of the things that really actually helped me, I'm not going to say get past it because I'm never going to really get past it. But one of the things that helped me put it all in perspective was the documentary O.J. Made in America. If you saw that, it was on ESPN the most brilliant documentaries, you know, ever made because it brought in all of the ways, the whole world of what was happening in that trial. Everything, all of the components that led to the result that it inevitably led to and seeing all of that made it so clear that it could only have ended the way it did. That was that was helpful, I think. What do you think about the people

versus OJ Simpson, the FX show? Amazing. You liked it? I mean... She was sitting next to Sarah Paulson. I wasn't. I didn't know her. I never met her until it was done. They didn't let us. She was amazing.

I thought there were elements that were very... I think it was entertaining, but I couldn't believe that it was critically acclaimedlaimed because I thought of it as kind of like a soap opera. Yeah, soap opera. I thought it was very dramatic, which I guess it was. I mean, in that sense, isn't it true? I mean, you know, they're covering the case that the people saw. I'll take your word.

She says it was good. No, let me say this about that. Sarah, without ever having met me, somehow managed to understand how it felt to be me. How did she do that? I have no idea. I mean, that is true genius. That is brilliant. She's really great.

She is. She's always really great. Travolta, come on screen. Come on, fucking Travolta. What are you doing? Yeah, Travolta looked ridiculous. And Schwimmer. You guys think.

Juice, juice, juice, juice, juice. Can I just say one thing about Travolta? People think that he was like really, oh my God, he's pulled it so far out. You know, ridiculous. Jump the shark. He's very close to the truth. Really? Yes.

Wow. We used to call Shapiro the potted plant. He just sat there in this captain's chair that was donated by somebody because everybody was throwing things at us because we were on camera. Well, we call it F.S. with free shit. We were getting free shit all over the place. And he did nothing. Literally nothing. And I think that I heard he got paid the most of all the lawyers. Yeah. Let's talk

about those college admissions. Right. Talk about college admissions again. Shall we go there? Yeah. All kinds of non-meritocracy things. But yeah. So it's not as far off as you think. Yeah, it is crazy. And then, I mean, your life since then has been books and now TV shows. Yeah. So you just kind of went the entertainment route with the legal background. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. A lot of lawyers actually do more than you think.

I bumped into so many. Yeah. I was a lawyer, too. But then it's not surprising because as a lawyer, and especially in criminal law, you're telling stories. You're always putting together the facts and the evidence in a way to tell the story in a way that's most compelling. No.

We shape the truth. Make up a timeline out of nowhere. Oh, no. And we're back. Are you watching it now on TV? I watched the first episode and I thought it was very boring. Yeah, me too.

I thought the podcast was so captivating. The podcast was riveting. Yeah. Absolutely riveting. Trying to capture that again here. Yeah. Do you think the rise think they're trying to capture that again here. Yeah. Do you think the rise of, like, true crime stuff is weird? No, I think it's always been there, honest to God.

Yeah. I feel like we went out with, like, Netflix, though. It's so much bigger. Yeah, but here's the thing. What we have is more outlets. What we have is more access. But people were always riveted by this stuff. If you look back in history at the Fatty Arbuckle trial and all the rest of it, people were back then having those penny newspapers they had or whatever, and they were devouring it.

But now we have Netflix and we have Amazon and we have the HBO documentaries. We have access. People are participating in it now. But we couldn't do that before. Abducted in plain sight. It's like, what are you guys doing in this documentary? Why are you telling us this documentary? Why are you telling this stuff? What are you doing?

If people just want to be part of it that badly now. But they do. You want to talk about how I gave a guy a handjob and he abducted my daughter? Let's get famous, baby. That's absolutely. I totally agree with you. It's bizarre what people will do to get on TV.

I mean, but they can. They do it because they can. And I think they would have back in the day, too, if they could have. But they couldn't. There was only a newspaper. That's it. Physical newspaper. That's all they had. But now look at all the outlets and look at us. We're sitting here on this. Right. You know, in front of these microphones talking about it again. I mean, there's so many places to get it now. But I think the desire, the appetite for it was always there. I think the next logical step is going to be people just committing crimes.

On TV. On video. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. A hundred percent. It's the crime hour. Yeah.

And we're just going to follow like Instagram people who are like good murderers. This guy does awesome murders. Best murderer in the game. You got to follow him. You got to follow him. Never gets caught. It's unbelievable. Oh, my God. We have the mask singer. got to follow him. You got to follow him. Never gets caught. It's unbelievable.

Oh, my God. We have the Masked Singer, so, you know. Do you ever get the itch to get back in the game when you see stuff like that? I'm actually still in the game. Yeah, I never left the game. What happened, I was a defense attorney before I became a prosecutor. And then after I left the DA's office, started writing books and doing other things, I wanted to also keep my hand in it. So I became, I joined the panel of lawyers that handle cases for the indigent. And so I get court appointed appeals for criminal cases. So I've had to dial that back since I got involved

with the fix. But, you know, I still kind of handle the case here and there. And so it was the idea of the fix of the eight years later, the case. Is that like you thinking you would love another shot at it? No, it really wasn't. I mean, really, I'm not kidding when I say it was Liz and Sarah who, you know, and God bless them for thinking this. It was their idea. And I just said, that's an interesting one. And it was really it was cool. I mean, really, you know, you have a good premise when you sit down together in the office and start pitching ideas for the pilot. And the ideas were flying fast and furious. I mean, we just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And we knew, OK, this is going to work. This is actually going to work because it lends itself to so much.

And all the storylines for all the characters were so much fun. Watching and watching Adewale, he plays the defendant, Seve Johnson, and Scott Cohen plays his lawyer, Ezra Wolf, the Wolfman. Watching those two together is like the two titans. It is an amazing dynamic between them. I think you guys will really love it. And then, you know, Robin's, Maya Travis's relationship with Ezra Wolf, she was up against it with him before.

Now she is again. And what that's like for her. And then she goes face to face a couple of times with Adewale, which is really interesting. So you have all these great dynamics of all the characters, and then you have Breckenmeyer playing the DA. Oh, boy! Oh, yeah.

Oh, he's awesome. Oh, he's awesome. He's awesome. He's wonderful. And so he plays the DA, and he gives you all the layers. I mean, he does a really great job because he's funny as well as serious as well as kind of crazy. You know he slept in a coffin in high as well as kind of crazy. Crazy.

But no, but also he slept in a coffin in high school. He slept. No. Yeah. He went through a vampire phase. He slept. He had sex in a coffin. Ouch.

That just hurt. I mean, to think about. Crazy. And he just offered it up. Like, yeah, no, I went through a vampire phase. So I had a coffin. Okay, dude. Okay. Yeah. I got it. Like, yeah, no, I went through a vampire phase, so I had to cough on that. Okay, dude. Okay, yeah, I got to cough.

Oh, show's over. Well, the show sounds awesome. Especially, you know, the plot point about Maya having a romantic thing with a legal co-worker. No, she doesn't. Oh, she doesn't? No, no, no, not in our show. Oh, it's just in real life. Yeah. The show is the fix. Oh, it's just in real life. Yeah.

The show is the fix. We're going to talk about odd nonce more. The show is the fix. NBC? And ABC. ABC. ABC, 10 o'clock Mondays. Awesome.

Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me, guys. That was really a blast. Thanks so much. Thank you very much.