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Episode Date: July 24, 2023

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Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. There is a part of me when I'm texting, I'm like, I'm texting the GM now. Get the f*** out of here. That says you're crazy. You're a dumb motherf***er. It's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool Sports Network. I'm back. There it Network. I'm back.

There it is. I'm back. Yeah. John was like, how does it usually start? Not one person knew. I've said that probably 1,500 times. You said, like, it is KFC Radio or something. It is the podcast.

One of our all-time episodes. Dude, I didn't understand so many things about that episode. First of which, you texted me in like the – like right at 2 o'clock. It was like 1.57. And you were like, this is not going good. And I was like – or you were like, I'm not prepared to host this or something. And I thought maybe you were still doing the interview because it was like right at 2 o'clock.

Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. So he's going to do the interview thinking that you had already recorded the podcast. And then I was getting texts throughout that were speaking in the present tense. Like this is hard and not like it was hard or like it was bad you were like this episode we're doing right now is like shit and i was like it's like four o'clock and i just kept getting these updates hours and hours and hours apart and then when i

got the call i thought for sure you were walking home being like, yo, let me tell you about this episode. Because they were debriefed. And then I realized you were still there. But then I realized it was for the show. I didn't give you anything because I was just like, oh, yeah, whatever. Just the debrief, the recap. I was like, this is part of the show? I would say. It was 530.

It went about noon to recorded for six hours. Noon to quarter to six to get an hour 40, which Jack and I would have loved if you nailed when I was at an hour. I mean – Although, no. Actually, Jackie did tell me when we were at an hour, but we just had six ads in an hour. That's the KSU radio difference right there, first of all. Multiple things. hours doesn't that's the ksu radio difference right there first of all multiple things number one the amount of people out there who do their podcasts and are limping to get to like 50 minutes we'll give you an hour and 45 even when the podcast host doesn't know what the fuck he's doing

the amount of podcasts out there that'll be like hey if they're lucky enough that they can do six ads they will jam three in the front and three in the middle and just say fuck you we give you enough minutes to spread that shit out. Jackie was like, they'd be, she's like, ads would be like eight minutes apart. I was like,

no fucking chance can we do that. So I guess. But there's a lot of people who would. I guess I did know that. So. We did longer. So even, and then,

what KC Radio gives you is even when the host says the podcast sucks, everybody still wants to listen to it. I'm willing to bet that it's in the top, the top percentages of our downloads this year. I, I, I, I will admit John might have the correct take that retention rate might be a little bit low. We might not see – let's bet on percentage of listeners that complete an hour and 45 minutes. I mean that's always like zero anyway, right? I tell you the analytics,

just like based off average stuff right now, based on, I think it's only been live, it's only been live three, four hours, something like that. Probably the same exact as everything else. So it's performing way higher than typical. I'm telling you, this is going to be one of our top five listened episodes of the year.

It's also like we have more comments on this one than we do on those episodes. And that illuminates a lot of things. That's the argument against doing things. Because I'm not doing the, oh, shut up. No, no, no, you're real. I'm being honest.

It was bad. This is not, I keep saying this, you're watching a marketing genius, and I mean it, but not like you're a marketing genius like you're scamming people. It's like, it scamming people it's like

it's just better to be like yo this shit sucks and then the fans like your honesty and they ride with you because it is kind of I know what you're saying you're going to say that it's an incentive to just do things shitty and then it's like but it's not it's that

it's so rare that we do that you can't do that every episode. Yeah, it has been. I actually had kind of a panic this morning. Not a panic, but I had a thought where I was like, fuck. People are going to be like, he doesn't care, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I hope the 10 years has bought me a great grace period. Honestly, think of another time that we were.

Because I also, I do care. I care that it's bad. I couldn't do it good it's honestly like when guys are trashing athletes and they're like you think i'm trying to strike out like i wanted i wanted to do a great podcast yeah i don't know well okay a few things here back to what you just said i can't think of another time that i we actually put out a piece of shit. Yeah.

Like, there's been episodes that are good, bad, short, long, eh, that guest wasn't great, oh, I was sick, whatever. I don't even know if, like, even once I've ever been like, I'm giving minimal effort to this, going into it, doing it, and putting it out, being like, whatever. I think I would say there have been three max and it was like i was sick or there's never a day where i was we just like where i was fine it was like i don't want to do it that's never right and and yeah because oh there's been times where i didn't want to do

it but we fucking yes right right um and then so and then it's it's what's interesting is two things about the audience number one i think it resonates with people either on a conscious or subconscious level of like we've all done that. Like, oh, I just bombed that presentation. We're like, whoa, that pitch did not go well. Or if you're in the – like if you're in the entertainment industry, you can directly relate. But everybody has been in that spot of like holy shit that sucked um so i think that people like can can sympathize with that and would almost like you know let me throw you a download like just because of that but more importantly i think it's 10 years of like people know who you are what you're about

what you can and can't do and and like want to tune in for the train wreck but also know that it's the the outlier like yeah also know that it's the outlier. Like, you know, if it was this every week or from now on, that was the podcast. They'd be like, we're not watching that.

I listen to that. But I, I argue doing that. You can't fake that. But if somehow that happens once every, you know, whatever, or there's another version of that,

like this time that we mailed it in this time, you know, uh, the quality was bad this time the location was bad every quarter it's probably better than just doing like our one millionth podcast right you know unless there's some big news or some really good topics or some great voicemails you know it's just like we're just gonna keep doing our thing and it'll always be like pretty good you know it'll always be like where we're at but i i'd argue that i'd rather

see i'm thinking about my own tv shows and podcasts that i watch when there's a special event or a thing even if it's like you know if i was listening to if one of the podcasts i listened to was like yo this episode fucking was like crazy in a bad way i'd be like i gotta check this out yeah now again i don't know if i'd watch all 41 hour 45 minutes i i there is like it's also like i i actually think like not particularly interesting is like, it's also like, I actually think like, not particularly interesting stuff, but like, it's not like we didn't have anything to talk about.

It's just like, it's just such a mess. Like, it's just like, we're going to talk about this now. Like, there's no like, there's segues.

Like there's no, cause there's no conversation. Yeah. It's there are segues happening. Also you sat here alone. Yeah. That's fucking half 90% of the problem. Right.

It makes no sense sense i don't know why didn't somebody just sit here jackie didn't want to i jackie just doesn't she just i mean she's the boss now she well he just says if she doesn't want to do something she just doesn't do it she's on strike oh yeah did she say that or you're saying no she said that okay that makes sense she's on strike oh i didn't make it in the episode. Not because of us. I think we go on lockout, though. Wait, why did she say she's on strike? It's – I guess commenters are mean to her.

We're going to have to talk to Jackie. She's on strike. Keeps a flying fuck about the commenters. I think it's a deeper thing. It takes a little while to get there. It's harder for girls. Yeah, we'll talk to Jackie. I didn't know that commenters were getting to her.

If commenters are actually being mean, first of all, it's different when you're a girl. Second of all, it's different when you're not set in your career. The comments don't matter to her, but she probably thinks that it could matter. People are going to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that shit. But man, fuck anybody who's actually being a dick. Right. It's all fun and games anybody who's actually being a dick.

It's like it's all fun and games here until someone is actually a dick because then it's like she wouldn't be on the show. We wouldn't put her out there on live shows. We wouldn't put her on camera. We always wax poetic about her because we actually believe in her and it's the other side of things. It's like we're going to tear you down because that's what we do to people we like but it you know it's like treating treating somebody as one of the boys when they're a girl they're not as old they're not in the same career spot like it's hard yeah before the episode i was like if you generally don't want to do it you don't have to do it obviously and i got i could see i was like i don't i think she really doesn't want to do it so we just did it alone now that being said there are times where you also have to power through

get to power through and figure that out because that's the fucking game but yeah we'll have a talk with jackie we'll figure that out uh because you know why that being said we couldn't find a single guest for our show today it's not that like i I went through the office. There's just nobody here. It's Thursday in the summer. Thursday in the summer. At Barstool Sports.

You can just say it's a Thursday at Barstool Sports. It was particularly barren. Passes a lap or two. There's nobody. And the only people that were here are the people who work and were busy. So we can't have our usual Monday Barstool guest. So in order to fill in for that, I am today's guest. You will be interviewing me.

Oh, boy. That's a lot. You don't have to interview me, but I will be today's guest for a look inside Barstool. I think we both agree. We've always both said this at various times, either during when we've been interviewed or during work speeches and presentations and stuff. I think both of us feel that the only true like hallmark moment we can like pin down on our career was the moment we knew we could do this as our career yes there's like you know when we sold out like the wilbur when we i mean yeah when we sold to churnin and sold to pen there are these these moments but just for me personally when people ask

like what was the the most important or biggest moment of your career it was when i could leave corporate life and be like this is enough to live i don't know if i'm gonna i never thought i would you know make as much money or succeed as much as we have um but i was like i was gonna pay like fifty thousand dollars a year yeah and and that that that wasn't right away that was like like because i did the part-time thing for a while and then when i went full-time it was still like we gotta cut some people we can't keep the lights on i think it was really the blackout tour and then certainly with churning but there was a moment like in between there where i was like this pays enough and it's going to last long the longevity because it's like my thought when i left

deloitte was okay dave's willing to pay like 50 grand. That's basically – it was less than what I was making at Deloitte but a reasonable pay cut. I was like, cool, but it could disappear in a year. And then I've kind of set myself back or what if I do it for five years and then it disappears and then I've really set myself back and then – I never thought that. You thought – I never thought it would disappear you so you figured you would always have like a even if it's just like an entry-level job pay yeah i never thought it was going to get much more but i didn't think it was going to go

anywhere it was i also it was probably easier to have that faith boston i think is so different too yeah yeah you saw like the fucking power of it i knew not even being in boston was like i knew in high school we all read it and i knew people were gonna stop and like it was like all my friends read it it's like yeah i didn't again it helped to have that faith that there was nothing below it like when you're walking across a tightrope this isn't't going to break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all I got. Yeah, yeah. But the – I never had that. But like the – I came home from the Blackout Tour once and Dave just handed me like three grand in cash. And because it was like – he was paying me in cash at the time.

And it was like we'd been on the road for like two months or whatever. And he was like, here's three grand. And I was like, oh, I'm set. Actually, I retired. Yeah, that – it was probably a very different experience for you. I'm set actually I retired yeah that that it was probably

a very different experience for you mine was always like I had to like nobody knew it everyone I talked to what is Barstool Sports so I was always like

trying to grow it and being like man these people don't know it was of course a bunch of people who did know but a lot of people

in my world were like what's that so probably in like 2013 into 14, I was like, all right, this is probably what I'm going to do. I think when I got to like – I think I started at like 50 and then like – whenever I got to like 100 grand, I think I was like, wow, I'm making like six figures to do this. Like I probably – there was a point where I was like I would probably be like at that at Deloitte after that many years too. So like fuck it. But I –

How long did it take you to get to Nicky Smokes' first week? I knew you were going to make a joke about salary there. I didn't realize it was going to be that. And how fucking... Bro, there are people who must be furious. Yeah. I can tell you it's come up a couple times in every single one-on-one that I have. And I manage them people. I mean...

And it's like, it's not his fault. Yeah. You know? But it is. But it is. But it is. Right. When you're an overpaid athlete, you're going to – Yeah.

And especially like I don't think he – Of course you signed the deal, but guess what? You're going to catch the heat. That's why I actually really do maintain if I was ever like a Boris client and he was like, dude, they're going to give you $300 million. I legit think I would be like, let's sign for $250 million. Yeah, yeah. Just get the PR of saying, hey, you know what? Reinvest in the team. Do the Brady.

I really, truly think I would do that. I know it's easier said than done, but when you're talking about that much money, I think it's actually more beneficial. But it's also you can flip that where you're like, $350 million and $250 million isn't that different. But you can also be like, oh, I'm not going to give away $50 million. Yeah. Well, yeah, but yes, I wouldn't give it away. But I guess if you did it in the sense of not gonna give away 50 million dollars yeah well yeah but i uh yes i wouldn't give it away but i guess if you did it in the sense of like 300 you know this is for the team for other people you know nick nicky smokes is what he goes by i think so

yeah he could he could have said you know what i mean like i know there are people here who have been here longer than me and like who who, because there are people who are like, you know, have scratched and clawed and are probably making the same amount. Yeah. I've thrown up one blog when two teams of his were in the playoffs. But, you know, that would have been cool. It hasn't been exactly. I haven't kept tabs or anything, but I don't know if it's been the best showing. I just checked that one for fun.

Where are we at here? Yeah, that's got to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Yeah, it probably took me like five years. It's apples and oranges, but it's also not. Right, right. So anyway, this is all to say that the moment that I was like, I don't have to do conference calls and meetings and email chains and slacks. And I remember, I remember Erica coming in and saying, we're going to all get

on slack. That, that was the only thing I like put, like, I was like, Erica, Erica, Erica, we ain't doing slack. That was very funny to hire. We hired a real business CEO, and we were like, they're going to take us to next level. They're going to get us in line. And Erica's first request slash demand was, we do everything on Slack. And we were like, no. That was also GChat for life. I was like, you can GChat me.

I've got a green dot. You can send me a little instant message on G-chat if you need me. Otherwise, no. We put our faith in this person. Here's my first piece of advice. No. We actually stuck to it. To this day, I don't have a slack.

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My hook, my thing was all of that. Cubicle Chronicles and Mail Time. And because for the first few years i was like in in doing it like i was at a desk hiding from my bosses the same way that everyone else was you guys were reading it and i was just writing it but it was the same thing of like the boss is over your shoulder you're you know you you got a deadline to meet you're blowing off work shut your shit down on friday just get out of there and then monday morning sucks i was like living and breathing that so all my content was real and people could feel that and all that shit and um and i was just happy because i just knew i was like i am not

cut out for that life and i never will be so i gotta get out of it and uh that's what the last you know like 10 of my 15 years has been like fully out of the cubes and so then this year i made the decision to do something i said i was never going to do ever again and go back into corporate life and i accepted actually not even accepted like proactively sought out and i actually have a job at parcel sports like when people ask me what's your job for the last decade and a half i don't know what the answer is right that's when one of our all of our you know all the original people our biggest thing you don't want to say blogger because there was at least early on there was a connotation You don't want to say blogger because there was – at least early on, there was a connotation. You don't want to say writer or journalist because we're sure as fuck not that.

You don't want to say radio host because we're not on the radio. Podcaster. People didn't even know what podcast was. And whatever – you didn't want to say influencer, content creator, whatever. And whatever you landed on, people said, oh, you make money? Oh, that's not your hobby? What do you do for a living? So for years, I still don't really.

Luckily, I haven't had to move or anything. I've had to fill out a form lately. Right, so you don't even have to write it down. All of my most recent panic attacks have been brought upon by someone going, what do you do? Truly, at least in New York, I know there's always this debate about like when you go out on dates like what kind of questions do you ask like in new york city the first thing you do is say so what do you do and the people always answer with their job that's always a big thing where it's like i guess in other parts of the country they don't answer that with their job if you if

you answer that question with anything other than your job you're either a child and don't have one which is like cool like you're a kid or you're an asshole it's i i i do not i think we might have talked about once before but like at that time i learned that like it to me it's just it's not even like it's a very clear question like what do you do when i ask what do you do i i'm 100 000 i don't mean what's your what do you do for like i mean what do you do for work what do you do for a paycheck and you know Europeans do it different if you're trying

on purpose you know you're trying to stand out from a girl's been hit on by a thousand guys and answer the same questions the same way

you want to stand out fine but that's to admit that the regular answer to that question is just what the fuck do you do

but when you don't have an answer to that then you look like the ultimate asshole because you go like oh well you know this is a thing and this is a website it was a paper is it it's it's in boston but i work in new york and it's just like this fucking sucks so i technically in my mind have not had a job for the last 15 years and i went and got one i the other day i said to someone i got a job at parcel sports they're like what are you talking about? I was like, because I actually have a job at Barstool Sports now.

Are you on your LinkedIn page? I have a LinkedIn page. You have a LinkedIn? I've never used it, but I have it. I started it, I think, when LinkedIn started. No, I might have started it. I'm lying a little bit there was a time where dave i think when i got that hundred thousand dollars i think when i hit that level dave called me the

director of content at that point oh really i don't know if he ever said it or if it was kind of like the idea was that i would kind of just We were like, we're going to write more lists. We're going to do some crossover blogs. We're going to do Smoke Smash. Marry, Fuck, Kill. All the things that were like... God, Smoke Smash was the worst.

But it was such a great grift, dude. It was such a great grift. I was the one doing all the fucking cropping and shit like that. It was the worst cropping and shit like that. I didn't even find the girl. You had to crop it perfectly or it wouldn't work. It was the worst cropping ever. That was when the design menace was still in the mix. Remember that guy?

The design menace had all – he created all of our backend, and it was all like specific to his code or whatever. It was great. He was a mail-time king. He made himself indispensable because it was like nobody else knows how to change the code on this. So he was – I was so bad at it. And it's like I hate – that's why I'm not good at social. It feels like busy work to me and I just – I got a mental block I can't do.

I hate busy work. And the – obviously when I started, i had busy work and the dave sent me an email i still remember to this day that we never even met in person i was living in new york so i was like technically like the bar school new york intern yeah and dave sent an email that said jesus fucking christ feidelberg you're gonna be the first guy ever gets fired before he gets a job. And all I knew of Dave was like the funny internet guy. We never met. I didn't know his personality. Right, right.

So like I had typed out an email like, ha, ha, ha, whoops. And I was like, I don't know. That might be a serious email. I'm not going to send it. Good call. And I didn't send it. And now we know that that's a – Dave does not joke around. If I sent that email –

You would have been fired for sure. I'm not here. Yeah, 100%. Well, because it was just like the pictures weren't going up right or something? They were going – it was like there would be black bars. I was like, I can't figure it out. I don't fucking know. It was so stupid.

I remember the day that we – because every thumbnail on the blog needed – and then for Smoke Shows and Smoke Smash, it was even more picky. You had to put a perfect square around the circle. And this sounds stupid, and if you've never done any type of blogging and back-end blog stuff it wouldn't make sense to you but like it's a thing that other websites it's very intuitive like you know the computer or the the program or the service like tumblr or um wordpress whatever they just know that like here's the picture you want the middle of it far school sports was like you could upload a picture and it would give you the top corner like a black square yeah because because it was black there was a black bar around the hot girl and instead of you know her fat ass and tits it would be the perfect little square of light on the ceiling of the bar yeah uh the worst the worst

so that was always a pain in the ass um so at that point that was like the one time i think for like 45 seconds i like had a title and i think maybe i had a linkedin then where can you yeah no i got it yeah but i don't think i've ever done it i think i just filled it out still just says blogger at barcelo sports okay and i i i get like emails all the time from like blah blah blah is trying to connect the automated thing my dad has a linkedin and my dad has the same name as me so he always gets he's like i get more entertainment people sure it was probably good for him i guess but the uh i i mean it's probably a super untapped resource for us over the last decade yeah because they were just constantly people i probably had like 90 like jamokes but there's probably like some real people being like

oh i want to work with barstool like i'll use linkedin like the rest of the world not knowing that we were like suck my dick i just signed into mine apparently walt disney reached out to me yeah i mean for all i know bob eiger could be in my fucking mentions you know um so i had the linkedin um i i know the picture i have because i remember i just liked the picture of myself. So I posted that. I can't – I'm not going to use LinkedIn for real. There's a lot – so here's how this all came about. We might have a new segment though because I just looked at the Barstool LinkedIn. We're posting like, are you going to see Barbie or Oppenheimer this weekend? Quotes from Barstool employees about why they like her.

But that might – you might have to be gay on it. You know what I mean? That's what plays. So I – yeah, let me take a sip of water. So I have a new title and a first title really ever at Barstool Sports, and I am the general manager of comedy. I'm a GM. Dude, GMs always throw me for a loop.

Like in sports? I know GM in one – when I first learned that when you're in high school and college and you have people who work in bars and I got to talk to the GM. I'm like, what are you talking about? GM is a sports figure. GMs run baseball teams. Actually, they don't anymore presidents from baseball that was a fucked up thing too is like for our whole childhood the gm the general manager drafts the players signs the contracts like builds the team and now there's the the pobo the president of baseball

operations and then under him is the gm but other teams don't have that. They just have the GM. But then, yeah, you find out there's a general manager of a bar. But that's not the owner. That's different than – I had no idea. In fact, I'm now – until not this very second. I guess I put it together a little earlier when I heard about GMs at this company. I thought it was just bars and baseball teams. Well, I actually don't know how many other – yeah.

I couldn't tell you if like – I don't know if there were general managers. I think there's vice presidents everywhere else. There's a million vice presidents. Like in the finance world, every dickhead is a vice president. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Every fucking loser who was like 23 years old and working at an iBank, like out of school, wearing like sneakers down in the financial district would like have their business card and be like, hey, babe, I'm a vice president. Yes, dude. I never put that together either.

You're right. It's always vice president. Everyone's a fucking vice president. There's hundreds of vice presidents in every group. So basically what happened was we are thank you at Barstool we are re reorganizing and realigning like everything

and as I kind of understand it we got corporate fast yeah realigning I tried like there was I almost said something the other day that was like circle back ish and I like deleted it and was like no. No.

No. I – oh, no. I think I said something like – I was going to say something like let me get – like give me a little bit of time to – and I was going to say something. And I wrote like no, like get settled. I just used the regular phrase. So we heard that we were kind of realigning. As I basically understand it, there was kind of this, like, chaotic just barstool. If we can actually bring up the old picture of the organization. We had this infamous picture at Barstool that was more for the podcast, but kind of represented everything pre-Chernin, where it was like, here's New York, here's Boston,

here's this podcast, here's that podcast. And they all, it was like, rather than just being like a pyramid or a line, it was like this swirly, crazy thing of our organizational chart that made no sense. And Chernurning came in and, you know, wiped it all out and was like, here, we're going to build things like a real business over the five or six years in, in the churning era that started to get messy as well because just Barstool is a

mess. So what they created got just as messy and all of it ended up with Gaz running the company. That's the best way I can put it. There's all these different arrows and lines. But all I can tell you for sure is that everyone was somehow reporting to Gaz. And we now – Erica has brought in a new COO. And he is coming in and implementing this GM structure that really worked for him at his old job

Jonathan Berkowitz he's a great guy very like you know I think in this corporate world there's people who like come in and they're like I'm going to institute my shit and do my way and they don't succeed and then I think there are people who come in and they're not they're kind of just like I'm just like however

you guys do it and they don't succeed you kind of need like a good blend i think he's a good mix of the two anyway he's come up with this structure to do these gms which is like we're going to break up the company into different sections and they're all kind of make sense there's like sports and gambling there's um entertainment there's um uh culture and and i don't know it's the black podcasts and uh and then comedy and we we fall under comedy and basically um i was hearing that they were going to like hire this gm all while having my own conversations with erica about the future and like things that i can do at barstool with the connections I've made and the inroads we've made in the comedy world. And I had already been talking about some of like the things we should be implementing from like pay-per-views and streaming and live shows.

You know, KFC Radio has always kind of been at the forefront of all these things that I think Barstool should have been doing and been doing earlier. And if we adopted earlier, I think we would have been even more successful. So we already were kind of doing that and not getting credit for it, not making any money for it, not getting it fully implemented because it was just like, oh, a couple bloggers, a couple podcasters are saying it. And I was like this. So another person is going to come in from the outside and do a lot of the shit that I think I'm already doing or trying to do. And not know how Barstool works. So probably try to do some shit that I know right away is not going to work. And I was going to have to listen to another person. I mean, we've seen how many people come and go at Barstool. If you've been here for if you're a lifer here, the amount

of executives or head of's We're batting below the Mendoza line. The amount of people. They come in and they're like, this person came from Bleacher Report and they're going to implement this system that's going to

change the whole system for Barstool six months later. As some of you may have known, this is my last day. And also, I think, and I've said it privately and publicly pretty often, that we were consistently hiring people from the companies we say we don't want to be. Yeah, right. And then pitching them back to us as if – They were a win. It's a win.

Yeah. And I'm like, dude, that's the company we hate. That's the company we hate. That's the company we're better than. That's the company that's failing. Yeah, and I don't mean hate as in like a rivalry. I mean like hate as in like that's – what they're doing isn't good. Yeah, like they're late.

Yeah. You know? Not – yeah, I mean if there was a company we hate but they're like fucking incredible maybe right it's like right you know i don't want someone from like sb nation yeah you know bleacher report was like big but they weren't like it wasn't like a payton brady thing where they're bringing in brady's fucking quarterback coach it was like yeah fucking sucks bringing in uh chad pennington's i don't know why we have to shot have to I guess this is a rivalry we had but like it's not impressive

why are we listening to this there was definitely some hires in that regard and then there was some that like I think they would have been good but they ran for the hills they were like wait a minute this place is a shit show so sometimes they didn't work sometimes they didn't work with us and inevitably what would happen

and i learned this i learned this right right before i took this job i told myself probably like last year i was like i'm never listening to anybody again uh there were people i listened to who sucked there were people who i listened to were good but inevitably i would buy into their process and listen to what they say do what they they do, only to have them leave. And then the new person comes in and they have a whole new process. And it might be better. It might be worse.

But bottom line is it's different. And now we've spent all of our time undoing the way we did things, redoing them as a new way that this random person said to do it. And I thought to myself, well, they've produced this show and worked with that person. And they've made this much money. So they must they must be smart it must work and sometimes that was correct but other times it's like hey what works for them does not work for barstool and bottom line is i was just like i'm here always and there's a revolving door of people telling me to do shit and i'm buying into them probably because i'm i'm stupid probably because I am not confident enough

like if KFC radio was just like top of the charts, the best show in the world, I would be like, no one's telling me shit, but there's always been room for growth and I was like, you know, if this person who created this show or worked with that guy and got these numbers and these ratings, like

I think there's some value there, let me listen to them and some things to them and some things were good and some things weren't and bottom line is like then they're gone they're gonna be gone whether it worked or didn't work they leave and we're still here you know so i was like i'm not doing that ever again i'm just gonna i'm not i i didn't like voice this to anybody probably but you guys but i was just low-key gonna be like i don't care who they hire i'm never gonna listen to them yeah just not gonna do anything they say oh i've been doing that for 10 years yeah like i i if it aligned hasn't worked great but i think you vote you

voice that to about the 100 000 people that every single episode listen to this podcast i mean i i remember actually uh even like things that do make sense. But like when we had a team come in and their job was to like make merch and create like storylines out of our content. And it was at the time we were making like the JJO jokes and saying how you get the post nut clarity. And they were like, we got to make t-shirts and the bracelets and all this stuff. And I remember being like,

this feels like very forced. Like we're just taking a joke that we make on the podcast and we have to turn it into merch and we have to turn it into like a hashtag and a movement. But I was also like, this is how it goes though.

Like we are just like this little like two bit blog, and I want to become a real fucking company. And we hired these people who I kind of trust that the people above me implemented them. They must be good. And she's like, here's the T-shirt. Here's the bracelet. And it worked on a very small level. But I remember being uncomfortable with doing it. But I was like,

I got to get out of my comfort zone and like, try to do what's best for business. And then slowly learned that like our comfort zone is what's best for this show. And maybe that's not all, all jobs. You know, you can't,

you can't tell like people to just do like what you want to do at your job. Cause it's like, that's not how it works. But for this, it's all about like feel and, and it's a very, I mean, and I But for this, it's all about like feel and – It's a very – I mean I don't mean this show in particular,

but yes, this show in particular. But a lot of them are just very personal. So it would – people who like it like you, it would feel weird to do stuff that's – Impersonal. That's not what they would do. Right. Yeah, yeah.

It's basically like it's our show. We got people to buy into us, and if it's authentic to us, like they'll probably buy into it. If it's not, it's not. And I, you know, did want to like make money and find a way to turn like this was just a joke on the podcast. And now we turned it into like a line of commerce. Cool. But only when it just happens. I think I learned that.

I wish I could put a year on it i wish i like journaled all this stuff because there was also a time where i think the same thing about work that i do about tweets where like if i ever called you up or texted you to be like is this tweet worth it the answer is already no yeah the answer is already no whatever laughs and retweets you're going to get from one post is not worth whatever you're worrying about the blowback might be same thing at work where it was like the first first inkling i had of like this is a square peg in a round hole i didn't do it anymore and with within reason there were certain times where it was like i think this might work let's give it a shot but um that's where i i had a good like system going with brendan

where like he would throw every idea that he was learning at me and i would just be like no no no didn't respond didn't respond no no but then the one that hit me that i liked i was like let's go let's do that you know and there was a million in between that i was like nope nope nope nope because i just felt like no nah for whatever reason it's not gonna work and as that time went on just more and more of that where it was like i'm pretty positive now we have the the barometer and the compass for like what works um so i was like i'm just gonna do what i do and then it got to the point where i was hearing about this gm job of that someone else was gonna fill i was there was this whole new york chicago thing going on where people were like well who's gonna run new

york and i was like it's logically gonna be me but it's not technically me so like why am i gonna take on this role and all this stress and shit if it's not really my job um i don't i never really know where i stand with pen so i was kind of like well i don't even talk to them so should i do it but i had everybody else all the you know the people who work here were either coming to me like directly or indirectly kind of being like hey can you help me with this or like what are we gonna do so it all just kind of added up to like somebody i care enough about the the company and the people that are here and especially the people that are staying here that i want to see them succeed

so i'm probably going to be helping them anyway i don't want to work with somebody else i'm going to be doing a lot of that stuff and strategizing anyway so hopefully i can get credit for it and get money for it and all that and and I like at the end of the day I also like this is all that I really talk about and do like I like the Mets and I like this and I do nerd out on a lot of it not to the level

that they're probably going to need me to like I don't want to I just came from a meeting with fucking charts and shit and I was like oh this sucks and it actually I'm looking at it and I'm like this is an impressive chart as far as charts and information go you guys fucking crushed it. I was going to say you came in here right after

and were like dude the data we have yeah like they know fucking everything I still update we are no longer the 21% we're the 12% 12% African American so apparently we've lost 10 percent of our african-american listeners or slash the 21 percent is incorrect as is the 12 percent

again it's gonna end up being like 1.2 it might even be 1.12 but i see some of these numbers and i'm like i have no fucking idea how you came up with that and i don't think you do either but it's presented it's presented really nicely though nicely so it like as far as some of that stuff goes and there's just levels to how much you nerd out where it's like i want to talk about it ad nauseum what's going on in the industry other competitors other like friends of the program newcomers who's hot what's not the new platforms all that shit i don't want to nerd out to the point that i want to sit there and go over the minutia with you of a PowerPoint presentation. But I'm willing to make some sacrifices and do that. So some so so far it's been it's been a rocky couple weeks of I legitimately told our CEO, Jonathan, I said the biggest hurdle for me in this job is going to be checking my email.

I reached I reached Nirvanavana i think we all did i don't i don't maybe not you i don't know how much you i think the greatest place in the world that you can exist is where you don't use email no nirvana truly is actually like i don't text it like you just can disconnect i couldn't go that far i'm closer to that than email you check email more than you check text and all that shipping yeah package shift got it i mean when we were blogging we were g chat gang the the og gang within the gang of the g chat gang we were on the computer on our email all the time and it was, but it was also emails. Guess that ass.

There was a million things we had to email about, and I was always on it, sending each other links, the tips email. We were always on email. And then as it shifted to podcasting, I just slowly checked less and less, and it got to the point where I was like, I don't need this. It's all just like slowly checked less and less. And it got to the point where I was like, I don't need this.

I, it's all just like, uh, uh, you know, spam and like, there is literally nothing I get aside from, you know,

it's funny though. It would be like, I wouldn't miss anything except for like one or two things, but they would be colossal. Yeah. You know, they'd be like, Oh,

you didn't get that email about like your taxes that you owe or whatever fuck it was. And I was like, Oh, Oh, cause you know what I would say? Like there was also times where people would be like, did you get that letter we sent? And I'm like, oh, you didn't get that email about your taxes that you owe or whatever fuck it was. And I was like, oh. Because you know what I would say? There was also times where people would be like, did you get that letter we sent? And I'm like, no.

Who the fuck checks their mailbox for a letter? This is 2020 whatever, you know? And then I was like, oh, but if they emailed me, I wouldn't have gotten it either. You actually probably have a better chance of reaching me via letter than email these days. I probably think that. Actually, at my new house, I don't even know where my mailbox is. Wait, where's my mailbox? I don't think I know where my mailbox is.

I mean I could take a pretty educated guess it's next to the front door, but it might not be. So maybe not right now, but there was a time. Do you have one of those ones where it's like a street mailbox where you have to walk down and like there's a key you know what somebody did the other day so my my my my driveway's a like a smidge weird you pull in it's a u there's there's an entrance and an exit yeah so you can go both ways and that just seems to bend the minds of delivery people where they sometimes they like just pull up and there's a very clear front door just fucking put it at the front door they sometimes go to the back door which i think is super weird but it's like okay it's still a door and then sometimes they just leave it at the foot of the driveway.

There is a mailbox at the end of the driveway now that I'm envisioning it because I saw the box the other day and it was in front of a big fat mailbox. But they just put the box on the – like it's touching the street basically. Just throw it as a driveway. Probably, I guess. And then it poured rain and like soaked the box because I didn't even know it was out there because I went in the other entrance because I got a two as a driveway. Probably, I guess. And then it poured rain and soaked the box because I didn't even know it was out there because I went in the other entrance because I got a two-way driveway. Anyway, my point being, there was years where my email went dormant. I probably didn't even send one except for a once-a-year tax thing that I had to send.

Whatever. And now it's a lot of emails emails and I'm missing a lot of them it's a lot of so so when do you get fired from this job yeah really I think I'm kind of like I mean uh I was gonna say I'm unfireable I'm probably unfireable from this job yeah like like they could be like you're you're just getting demoted back to regular job but that's what's kind of cool about it is it's like it's kind of playing with house money. Right. Like if it goes well –

They probably won't even take the money back either. But you can keep your salary, but just stop coming to meetings. Well, I'm also the only asshole in the world who just started a job with more responsibility without getting a new contract. So par for the course in the KFC radio world. Like, oh, more responsibility but no money? Okay, cool. Yeah. Are they going to give you the Clemens?

Are you going to get back pay? That would be cool. Not going to happen. Back pay is pretty nice. Bro, we don't get front pay. We're not going to get back pay. It did kind of sneak up on me. I got to take a personal loan out from Nicky Smokes.

Bro, you mind if I can borrow a key? That would be like 500 bucks. I know you got that coin. By the way, are you going to get it on Slack? Because you're in a lot of Slack groups. So I was just going to say, as funny as we talked about Erica saying that today, or all those years ago, I got a from uh nicky hams yesterday yeah yesterday at 10 18 you on slack didn't even write back there are certain concessions i'm willing to make

there are certain concessions i'm not willing to make it is i'm not going to get on slack i'm trying to minimize the amount of bullshit like i i understand i gotta show up to meetings and stuff but what i'm what i bring to the table everybody brings their strengths you know we have a girl who came from meta and facebook like i'm sure you know she has a ton of like important shit that she can implement and we got people coming from different industries and like i come from the content world of barstool sports and like the logical world of like we don't need to do all of this shit the corporate way and you're probably gonna hate me for it but i'm gonna at least like i have to at least try to implement some of my shit you know where it's like we can talk about it we don't need to over talk about it

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If you have 10 ways to reach me, it's too much. And also, it just invites bullshit. This doesn't need to be here at fucking all. Because there are people. People like to have a third floor challenge. There's a whole group challenge because there are people the whole group why does that exist and it just invites people who do it for FaceTime purposes

I sent this Slack today I don't need that in my life what I do I bring to the table a fuck ton of connections in the comedy world a deep knowledge of the content game a deep knowledge of how Barstool Sports works, and that's really about it. Those are all pretty important things to run Barstool Comedy. And then within this whole GM structure, every single vertical or whatever you want to call it, brand, umbrella, blah, blah, blah, blah, comedy is the most unique because it's the least like specialized you know it's like sports is sports you know it's also a little depressing comedy's depressing

yeah in like a literal sense or it's just like that bar still has a comedy part now bro also this also let me tell you that we used to just always be funny right that was what bar it's like i was kind of like isn't everybody under comedy? Yeah. I'll tell you the other worst part about it. By a mile, number one with a bullet, like the weakest and worst run of the brands. Barts lose? Comedy? Comedy.

Like, we don't make any money off of it. It needs to be, like, completely overhauled. Not even overhauled just like implemented for the first time ever where it's like we're in the middle of a golden age of comedy a gold rush of money podcasters comics influencers everybody who's yeah maybe this guy is from the sports world and this guy or girl from the stand-up world and wherever they might come from, but at the end of the day, they're doing comedy and making money hand over fist.

Our company is like, we can't make any money on comedy. This is never going to work. I was talking to Jake Bass the other day about it, who is the assistant GM, because I just wanted to pick a real fucking bulldog Jewish guy who's going to do all the hard work for me.

And he was like, we have so many people doubting us that this is not ever going to be possible, that it fuels me 100% more. I think that some people somehow are, I think they're all still stuck in the Me Too, Trump, political whatever era where like everything was radioactive and brand safety and all this shit. And I'm just like that's not the fucking world anymore. And I don't know whether we – I know that there are certain groups and certain people at Barstool in-house that need to learn that and stop being afraid. I don't know if we need to do a better job of convincing clients of that.

I don't know if those clients just don't believe it or whatever. But gone are the days where someone would be like, that podcaster said this about LGBTQ. I'm never going to drink that drink again because they were on that show. It's just not a fucking thing. And I don't think there's – It is funny to always have this conversation while Bud Light is still doing the Bud Light thing. But that's like – it's not a podcaster. That is like a – that was a – that was not a podcaster that they work with that said something.

Is that person a podcaster? She – he – she, he. Dylan Mulvaney? He. He is, I think, just like an influencer. Okay. He probably has a podcast because everybody does. But that's different.

That is someone that brought them in as a spokesman. I agree it's different wholeheartedly. I'm just saying people would say that. Right. Yeah. It's more like, I guess the better example, and it happened relatively recently, but even this was a couple years ago now, was what Miller Lite did. Like they were on board with us. We said something that they don't – like they had worked with us. They didn't announce us as some big part of their company.

It was just like we worked with them. We did something they didn't like, and they were like, this, we got to pull out. I mean that was one of the all-time. So like that to me is like maybe we need to find the right brands that have moved on from that. Maybe we need to inform brands. But I think it's more people here just go, oh, they're a brand. They're not safe. They're unsafe.

They're edgy. I'm going to lose my commission. I'm not going to hit my goals. There's no way I could possibly sell this because they're talking about sex and stuff. And I'm like, dude, we're not Alex Jones. We're not like 4chan freaks. We're not right-wing maniacs. We're not left-wing anarchists. We're just the most regular.

I'm talking about all comedy, from our show to Tommy Smokes to Anus to Out and About, Roan and Kayla. These guys, we're all just normal people who talk about the stuff that's going on in the world. We don't make the controversy.

We don't have even really edgy opinions anymore if we ever did. It's just like if you were to put together who are the don't touch list of the internet, it's not us. It's not even close to us. It's particularly depressing when they tell us that stuff as if we don't have a lot of friends who do what we do. Right, who are making millions of dollars. Incredibly wealthy. And have what?

Maybe have one hundredth of the resources. We have friends who are surprised when they're like do you want to come in on this? It's only two million. I'm like can we have sticky smokes? What are you talking about? Yeah, that was tough. What was that? That was Theo.

Yeah, yeah. Theo Vaughn asked us to join on something that only cost $2 million each. I was like, uh... This was years ago. Years ago. Like, it's not possible now. It was not even remotely possible then.

I think I made $90,000 when he asked. The amount of people, I think... So this is actually the crux of the job. It was in this office. It was that because we were in the old studio. Was it? I remember you telling me about it as we walked into the old studio. I thought it was the old, old office.

I'm not. Maybe it was. Because Theo we haven't had on the show. Yeah. Theo was in the old office. Maybe I was touring this office. I just have a memory of that right but maybe maybe i made that up but i remember you being like theo wants to have

it was so cool in 20 years if i don't have to pay rent yeah if i have no bills and no taxes i might amass i might amass this wealth in the next hundred years. And then they tell us that this can't be sold. What are you talking about? Dude, it's nuts. At the time, Theo's the similar size show. It is. It's great.

Yes, some of our friends are burnt, and that's a different animal. All of our friends are so rich. So rich. And not only they're rich. They don't even have sales teams. They don't. They just have like themselves or like one guy. And it beats a whole sales team.

It's crazy. And not only that, they like blew past us. Like I remember being like, you know what? Like I'm happy for this person, that show, that girl, whoever. They're making a boatload of money. But like i've got my equity coming and i'll be good i you know mine's kind of like the long game and they've just been making millions of dollars a year for several years to the point that it's worth more than my equity like if i just did that instead though these people are you know supremely talented there's a million reasons why i couldn't just do that but i'm like

wait no they just ended up making more money than i did owning this fucking company it's great And these people are supremely talented. There's a million reasons why I couldn't just do that. But I'm like, wait, no. They just ended up making more money than I did owning this fucking company. It's crazy. I mean there's so much money to be had. And the people here, as you say, can't figure it out. Well, that's – Can't figure it out. So that's what this whole thing is. That's what this whole overhaul and this whole reorganization is to find the right people.

And because a lot of it I think was you don't have – we don't have dedicated salespeople here. Ultimately, I would love to implement that. I think we should have a world where you only sell – I mean it would be great if you only sell one show. But that might be unreasonable. I don't know how salaries work out or whatever. We have a lot of shows. But maybe you could only sell like these three shows so that you know everything about it. You know what they like.

You know what brands they should work with. Right now, people just go, I'm going to sell PMD. I'm going to sell foreplay. Golf is worth millions. Boom, done. And there's nobody who is in the comedy world selling based on comedy. What I think is crazy is that there are people who don't see that as the opportunity. There's only so many ads you can sell on some of these top shows where comedy, there's money in this game, bro.

Like you said, look the fuck around. I don't know. Pick up the phone and call those podcasts. I'll tell you who to call. Yeah, we know. So that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm going to end up doing this job, so I'm just going to do this job because it is going to be like I will talk to these people about how do you sell your show, and I will have to go to my sales team and tell them this is how you sell the show. Because here are guys who are doing it on their own that they have to make the content, edit the content, produce the content, and sell the content,

and they're lapping us, so let's figure it the fuck out. So that is hopefully what we're going to do with – It's going to be a long, hard battle. It is. Well, I hope it's – I think it's going to be like a bloody battle. I think there are people – I think there's a set group of people who probably really benefited from the old way of doing it who are going to be like, fuck this. I don't want to change a thing. I think in the long run, everybody will benefit from the way we're trying to do it.

But in the short run, if I was making my money, my commission, my bonus, my whatever, if I was getting my promotion, blah, blah, blah, based on the old way, I'd be like, I don't want anything to change. And I get that. I get that there are people in sales and marketing and whatever that are told to hit certain numbers and the easiest way to do that is to sell only certain things and work with certain brands.

But we're gonna just, like the company will die doing that. Like there'll never be any sort of development or we'll never find the new talent. And I think, I mean like One Minute Man to me is like the best example of it. Like the first year of One Minute Man, we were selling ads like hand over fist. I would have like seven a week. I would have to do like an episode every single day including the weekends. And that was like year one and i was like

oh this is it i finally like have my my real thing that's like gonna be like the rocket ship and i can do kfc radio but this will be like a big money maker and i think it's gone down in revenue which is like unfathomable to me i was like oh year two will be bigger and by year three we will be like established like that'll be the prime of the career you know year three will be bigger and by year three we will be like established like that'll be the prime of the career you know year three will be one minute man will be so big the same way that like rigs was like i'm gonna change lanes and do foreplay a few years into foreplay it was massive you know i was like oh if we're making if we have this many ads and this much money in year one by year four or five like forget it and i think it's going backwards and the only thing i've ever heard is

it's too edgy and they can't sell the the frequency like it's too it's it's uh last minute it's like oh the news popped up today and we don't have the time or they don't know what what they're gonna be on and they don't have the time to clear it and i was like or is it that you change the price because we used to sell seven a week and I never changed my content and I never changed the frequency and they were selling. Something happened here and they stopped selling and it had to do with what we changed the price and who was selling it and all these things that I was like, fuck all this, you know. So I wanted to at least be like if it's going to if shit's going to go wrong, I at least I'm at the point in my career was it's like i want to be apprised of it involved in it in control of it and if it if it doesn't work then like luckily for me i'm like i'm gonna go be a content creator i suck at the business side i don't think i think it will succeed but i i you know i i at least gotta give it a go like some people were saying

to me like don't you like you really want to do this like go backwards into like the uh annoying part of the job some people who work here some people outside of here were like this is gonna suck like there's gonna be a lot of bullshit you got to deal with and i was like i have to at least give it a go to try to like as much as we've run kfc radio we've never like run kfc radio we never like had full control of it and we still don't but we have more at least doing it this way where you know I can say there's been a million ideas that I've thrown out over the years that either haven't been done or

they finally bought into them too many years late and maybe now we can be at the forefront of a couple things and we can actually do some of the shit we want and if that means I gotta go through like some business meetings and some shit like that sucks but i gotta i gotta give it a shot you know so um and ultimately i do believe part of me always thinks like i'll always do that i'll always do the show and as long as i'm in front of a microphone i'll be a slave to the joke and i'll probably just say wild ass shit

but part of me thinks about like when my kids get older it's like can i really be like And as long as I'm in front of a microphone, I'll be a slave to the joke and I'll probably just say wild-ass shit. But part of me thinks about when my kids get older, it's like, can I really be talking this shit and saying these things and talking about these topics? I think everyone says that. Yeah, so do I. And I think they keep doing it. But you also – you just – your sense of humor – we talked about this last episode or a few episodes ago where sense of humor has changed. Things you do change. Sure. Like, so you – yeah, you can't imagine continuing to talk as a 34-year-old, but, like, you won't be talking as a 34-year-old.

You'll be talking as a 42-year-old. True, but as a 34-year-old, 28-year-old, 38-year-old, I'm still, like, talking about, like, sucking your own dick and stuff. Well, people do that, and I would argue we do it less like a person does. We're grown. We talk about sucking our own dicks a lot. I mean, you sent me that meme just the other day. Because we had just talked about it.

That's what I mean. It's a vicious cycle. We had someone call in, and we gave her voicemail of the week. She was talking about her husband sucking his own dick. She brought it up. I didn't come in with my notebook and say, let's talk about sucking dick today. It was someone called it. I'm going to opine, but you asked me about it.

My hands are tied. But also, I will never not do this. I will always joke about these things. When I got hired, maybe a few years into getting hired, hired Dave was like I got a few years left Yeah Cause he was the same thing Right right Dave probably

I remember Dave doing like porn blogs Can you imagine Dave doing a blog about porn Never Never I really remember But that's what's I hate that he doesn't do that Yeah

Like part of me Part of me And he was older than I was Like he was doing porn blogs He was older than I was Right right Than I am currently Like Dave Cause I don't think Dave was older than I was. He was doing porn blogs. He was older than I was. Right, right. Than I am currently.

I don't think Dave was like ever. I would guess he was probably 36, 37. Yeah. Because it was so perverted where I was like, I know the blog. Because he did a blog where it was a screenshot of a porn. And he's like, is there anything better than seeing a porn you thought you lost? Yeah. Or something like that. A porn you loved but you thought you lost yeah or something like that you loved but

you thought you never find again and i was like dude that's christina rosa i know but that i loved that version of dave like the blogging dave when you got to hear him talk about all those topics and i think whether it's personal professional whatever he kind of outgrew that but i wish he didn't i wish there was more of that so i will probably do this forever and you know just have to have awkward conversations with my kids one day or whatever but also two things one i think it would be nice to have like some semblance of a regular thing that i do that i can either lie to learn about myself, I think a part of this show suffers because I don't promote it the way I really should because I just still feel weird about posting myself and clips and – I would – I agree with you and I was like we should just have – like we should just be like – do the social because I can't see myself.

I can't – we're talking about – Yeah, like that's why I've kind of given away my password and stuff and like you just do the – but it also – that doesn't work because it's got to be in your voice and – But I think promoting a podcast is – That's true. Like I can't even look at a video. I can't. But when they send over the clips, I'm like – I can't watch them.

I trust that they know the show, listen to the show, watch the show, have a good sense of humor, know how to make good clips. I'm sure there are funny parts of the show, but sometimes I open them and I'm like, I don't think that's good enough to highlight and post as its own video. Watch this. I don't think so. And so to highlight and post as its own video. Like watch this? I don't think so. And so I'm not – but for other people, I love it. Posting out-of-order stuff, I love it. I'm genuinely like this is so – it has to be good. I'm not going to lie.

So the product needs to be good. But I'm like this is so fucking funny and these guys work so hard and they deserve it like please go do this i'm like asking people to do things begging people to do things like telling them why they should do it i just am never gonna do that for myself yeah but i'll do it for outer order i think sunday conversation is fucking amazing i think out and about has like come on the scene in a way that yeah they have uh i think uh i think you know anus is one of the funniest things that is completely undervalued i think um please end this is like right right in lockstep with without of order like i believe all that i think it's all very funny. And in my head, I'm like, well, now I do have this platform and I don't really utilize it that well, that well to promote my own shit,

but I can promote it. I will promote with other people. And if I can kind of make it my job and my business to like raise all of this and we can just use, you know, I have half a million followers on Instagram and half a million followers on, on Twitter. And if we're just use, you know, I have half a million followers on Instagram and half a million followers on Twitter. And if we're just highlighting who's funny and what's funny and why you should follow it, kind of like what I mean, the crux of the whole thing, which drives me crazy. The amount of promotion and help that we do for external things, people and not internally. whole reason this works and works really well is because people come on and say i need you to listen to my podcast watch my movie buy my book use my project products buy my shirt whatever we do all those things and we don't do it for ourselves and that just drives me absolutely insane so i've always wanted the place to be a little more collaborative i always wanted the place to help each other a little more and focus internally. I wanted to, you know, try to sell things differently and do things differently.

And this was a chance to at least have like a, I could always say these things as like KFC, the podcaster. Hope, I guess maybe some more people will listen if I'm GM of comedy. It's bullshit that it would take some fake title and me sitting in a boardroom rather than just listen to me because i do it for a living but i think uh it's at least a make make a real run at it especially with people moving away to chicago i think the group we have left is like bare bones the funniest people we've got for the type of humor we're doing on the comedy scene the connections we've made are like unparalleled like truly second to none

um and that's why i think like things like theo and like i'm pretty sure like when when we talk to bert i'm pretty sure bert thinks that we're like equals like i'm pretty sure bert thinks we have like the same amount of money and we don't we don't sometimes he throws around numbers that he's like you know that's like my my throwaway show that only makes XYZ dollars. You know how it is. And I'm like, I don't. That's 100 times what we make.

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Yeah, we're going to change that. I referenced the other day on the show. I don't know how much you listen to, but I talked about the person on the third floor was like, this is racist. And I was like, this is... That was insane. That was like, I knew that we didn't exactly have like comedy junkies up there but like holy moly it was and it wasn't like any of that like

if there was if somebody went up if francis went up there and had a set where i was like oh buddy's letting it fly today right i could maybe understand that some people were like holy shit it was like i don't even know what she's talking about i said i argued i'd argue it was a very left-leaning set yeah yeah if anything i was kind of like oh we're like the leftist pussy there's there's like a type of person that just thinks if you mention race it's racist that's it yeah yeah it's like you can't you can't say it like freak out and like one of my best friends is like that i'm like shut the fuck up those are the people like i don't see color or i don't say you know it's like you can talk about it and even joke about it doesn't mean

that you but i i really like i love out of order i love dollar slices being at the dollar slices show the other night first of all not having to have my that's the other thing i realized about myself like we'll always do it but i'm'm still always nervous, and I just feel like a fish out of water, and I feel like I can do more from like a GM role. You weren't nervous at Dollar Slices? I was – I mean I was like I'm not nervous that I – I was arguably more tense. See, I think I have so – the thing about it is I have supreme, 100% faith that that that's gonna work and that they're all funny so i'm good because like if we were putting an inferior product up there and we were trying to

like snake it till you make it i'd be like fuck like if this one doesn't go well then like we're really in you know i was like even if something goes wrong here these are the right guys for the job the people on stage the people behind the cameras like this is going to work so i was good see i i agree with everything you just said where i disagree is it was to me like introducing your high school and college friends yeah yeah you're both you're both awesome yeah but you don't know if it's gonna work because the crowd was a heavy barstool crowd sold out so fast yeah and the comedians you know common common comedians and barstool are friends but like they're it's very different totally and that's a good it's a good analogy i was like just be cool each other just be cool each other just be cool with each other yep and there were some times where it was a little

so that's what i love about dollar slices is and i'm not like i we've gotten really established in the comedy world but i'm not some like i didn't grow up listening to stand up and like i know all the greats and it's my dream but i feel like we've gotten pretty like entrenched in it so i actually i could almost tell you the date when i was like i love this and like started watching all the time what was it i i can't tell you the date but i can tell you you can it's googleable it's because he only hosted it once john stewart hosting snl his set fuck his open monologue killed me i always i mean i loved chapelle show skits and i loved chapelle stand-up i never really like was like oh then let me go watch other ones but i i always knew those were like when i said

like what's the funniest thing in the world is that show and those stand-ups so i always had that in me i just never took i do remember uh my brother dming me i could probably find the dm on twitter saying um you should go you should get big j okerson and tom segura on the podcast this was like like before we were even doing it. And that was the first time I ever searched those guys and found out who they were. And that was probably like, but I just started looking at it because it was like, oh, this is probably a smart move or whatever.

But I don't know if I have a moment like that where it was like, this is what I love. I remember the joke. It was, he was talking about, I honestly don't remember the joke it was he it was he was talking about i honestly don't remember the whole joke but the like punch line was like if you believe that and i think this has become like a thing this is the first time i ever heard it i did you what what was the year i guess it was late 90s john stewart host snl what year maybe early 2000s um but it just ended something with like if you believe that you believe employees must wash hands is keeping

piss out of your chicken McNuggets. And like, I thought it was like, I was like, that's fucking good. So true. That's so funny. That's,

that's what got him to, that's what got me into blogging is I was always read a blog from Dave or somebody where I was like, that is the relatable ones where you go like, Oh, I think that too. Like you're inside my mind. It's like a magic trick almost. So, oh, I think that too. You're inside my mind. It's like a magic trick almost.

So, I mean, Dollar Slices was so good at points, so bad at points, awkward at moments. It was some real comedy shit where like Barstool got so big so fast. Early days, we were like there was true blogging going on but in the past like many years it's been like we're a company we're making money it hasn't been like gritty you know and i hate to even use those terms because it's kind of corny but it was like francis up there like i gotta host this and i gotta direct traffic and we had some some new comics some old comics we had a trans comic followed by a guard dog who gets up there and does like all his material was trans jokes. And he was like, fuck, I'm a piece of shit.

I can't believe I told all those jokes after this trans girl just got up here and did that. And I was like, I love that. And I don't think he did. And I think Sabrina in that moment was a little like, whoa, I'm definitely not – I'm out of my comfort zone. But I was like, I love that. I think it's awesome that the audience was a heavy Barstool crowd that got introduced to non-Barstool comedy. And I'm sure some of them were like, I don't like that. But I'm sure some of them were like, that was fucking funny.

I love that the comics were like, oh, this is what – if you don't have like a snobby comedy crowd you just have like regular dudes and guys and girls that's what this is i love that like everybody's just kind of figuring it out that there was no fucking wait staff and everyone was getting up to go to the bathroom and it was i just love all of that i was like this is real comedy that is undeniable like it i don't know how or when like it'll be a big thing but it's gonna be because the guys up there the girls up there are funny that we we know who we have a good eye and ear for it francis can host in direct traffic we have the best guys doing the edit and the filming it's gonna work and i think i have so much more confidence in other people when it comes to that stuff and i can like hopefully do a little of the business side and direct traffic and so i'll

always do my own content but i think sometimes i might be better suited to help other people with their content so that's ultimately what this job is as much as it's like dealing with bullshit uh business stuff i think it's more about growing the whole group. And I think anytime I've really – we've done it unofficially with certain shows, Chicks in the Office and Clem and Robbie and things like that. But if we're like let's really do it. We'll sit down. We'll talk about strategy. We'll implement it and hopefully it works. And if it doesn't, I just really do it. We'll sit down. We'll talk about strategy. We'll implement it. And hopefully it works.

And if it doesn't, you know, I just kill myself. But it's like whatever. So at least we make a run at it. Win-win. Yeah, win-win. Either way. Now, how much have you noticed our relationship change? Zero percent.

You notice a change? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah? Corporate Kev? Corporate KFC? Corporate FC? I'm obviously kidding. But the part of me is not.

That's why I said it. Because I would have said nothing. There's nothing, no conversation we've had. There's no thing I would say to you or I would have said to you two weeks ago that I wouldn't say to you now. You better not be. But there is a part of me when I'm texting. I'm like, I'm texting the GM now. Get the fuck out of here.

That says you're crazy. You're a dumb motherfucker. That is totally insane. I almost – you know what is so funny? Not like – again, not like watch what you say, but like when I text you, I know I'm talking to someone. That is so stupid. Who had like – I text you, I know I'm talking to someone. That is so stupid. Who had like – I'm like – No, bro.

That's so crazy because it's like the opposite. It's more like they should be like, I'm texting with a guy from content. You know what I mean? Because I'm obviously like – I'm like the kid who's like the teacher's assistant is going to steal the test for the class. You know what I mean? I'm going to come in here and be like, guess what we're doing? Like I got all – like I got the inside scoop. So you – I mean that is crazy.

And you know what is – Not – okay. I'm trying to clarify how it is. Like I sent you a text. Here's one that sticks out. I sent you a text. We were talking about severance. And I was like it's a good

commentary on corporate life yeah i'm still thinking about that now because you didn't reply to that text and i was like fuck does he think i'm like trying to make it about him oh my god this dude is crazy i'll tell you i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to you guys right now. That was the most offensive thing anyone's ever said to me. I'm upset. I'm upset. See, now I'm like, fuck, my boss is upset. I'm upset that anybody, let alone my best friend for 15 years, would think that your text about Severance the TV show upset me somehow.

What a – Sell the show! I'm having a heart attack. That's great. So we'll see. I mean part of me is like – like like i said i guess a lot of people are like doubting us and think that it's like impossible i'm kind of like i think we're starting on third base and the industry is perfectly set up for this and we just haven't

done it right but to me it's like like i don't know if know. If you were externally and you went to someone and you were like, do you want to sell stand-up comedy and podcasts right now? They'd be like, yeah. That'd be great. Like that's fucking a gold rush. It's almost like a scam right now. You're saying like Born on Third Base is like the perfect thing where it's just like, oh, just ask your dad for the job. Yeah. Just do it.

Just like, you're just not doing the thing that you need to do. And I don't know whether they don't believe that or they are again, I just think we need to like change the system a little bit, but it's like, and I also, I, you know,

part of me may learn the hard way that like what, what budgets are and what is possible and realistic and feasible within like the constructs of like corporate life or whatever. But I'm like I will call up all of the important people in comedy and we will at the very least be heard out and like – You know what I mean? And I'm talking like we've had a lot of like most of all of our successes in the sports world and we've had access to a lot of great athletes we've never had like lebron james and tom brady and you know the top like mike trash joe hey otani like on the shows we do that in comedy we have literally minus like chapelle and chris rock we've had like

every other one. And not only are they on the show, they're like friends with us, probably want to work with us, are like down with the brand. Fly us to Europe. Right. Like really intimately involved with us. And, you know, I can pick up the phone and say like, yo, you want to like partner up? And they'll probably say yes yes and they'll be down does that mean that like it works within this company's budget or will get approved by whoever like that i don't know but i can bring you that that i don't think any other gm from any

other world could have brought so i might not be on slack and I might miss some meetings, a lot of meetings. But if you want to sell comedy and you want to build – and it's more about we want to sell it but we want to make it the funniest place possible. We already have a great crew to start. I think we know how to develop it internally and I have literally the best in the world externally that we can just at least try to work with. So I don't know. If you can't make that work then that part of me is like this is so set up to succeed that if it doesn't something's gone radically wrong or or whatever and i can just hang my hat on like then it then it didn't then it doesn't work yeah then then i know that the only way this works is to be an individual comedian who starts your own podcast and people really support

you because they like you and it doesn't work when you try to put together you know like it's trying to be SNL and maybe you know SNL doesn't quite work as well as it once did and maybe that's the lesson that we learned that you can't do it under one big umbrella but we will prove that out

like one way or the other true or false because we just got too much going in that direction. So I think it's going to be easy, but I guess some people don't. But I think between me, Jake, and the crew we have here and the people staying in New York and the amount of funny we have here, I almost want to get in the room with some of these sponsors and just be like, are you guys fucking stupid? It's just the easiest way to access some of the funniest minds on the internet. You don't want to do that? Okay. I don't know.

I got very excited. It was, I think, two weeks ago. You and Jake were just talking business. And I've been wanting to work with him since I started here. I first sat next to him, we he was always just on foreplay and like he's always had that mind for this yep and the fact that it just worked out where he was like i'm trying to get off that totally like that it's almost like the thing that didn't work with jake on foreplay is what this job requires it's like he was almost like too business oriented

where they wanted to just be like guys on the golf course and i was like business oriented you say like liking all of that shit you know and he is like a bulldog who's like like you're gonna stay on top of everybody and like really push it and i was like oh yeah and and the most important thing though because they told me i was gonna like have an assistant not an assistant but they're calling an assistant gm so i partner basically and they were like we're gonna need you to interview people for that and And I was like, that is going to be a problem. Cause I'm like, I'll just be like, yeah, you, yeah, you're nice. You have the job. I don't have it in me to like, don't bother booking a second. Yeah. Right. Right. Whoever you decide, whoever can meet the earliest time. That's it. Yeah. And I was not going to be good

at that. And I was like, who is somebody that like we get along with that gets the vibe that works on the business side knows barstool and it's like it was like checking every box with jake so um yeah he he hopefully will pick up the slack that's why i didn't make content baby uh and uh we'll see where it goes but yeah i uh i broke my own rule, like my only rule, and went and got a job. I'll stop texting you. you you you you you