KFC Radio - Kirk Minihane, Jon Taffer, and The Return of OJ

Episode Date: June 18, 2019

Kirk Minihane skypes in from his car to discuss his new podcast with Barstool, negotiating vacation time with Dave, and how he thinks it will all end. Jon Taffer visits the new studio and chats with KFC and John about Big Brain, his new show Marriage Rescue, bar fights, and sharing you location with your spouse. KFC recaps his weekend including tubing down a river and being rescued by a stoolie. OJ and Bill Cosby are both tweeting. Voicemails include: how to curve and beating MJ when he is 75.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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Congratulations, bro. I mean, you didn't knock that out first time. Yeah, well, I said it's one of my problem words. I don't think I have any problem words. I have problems spelling words, but not... Look at me. I'm John. I can pronounce all the words in the world.

Guaranteed is a tough one for me. Guaranteed? That's the easiest word in the world. Oh, to spell. Yeah. Garan. You got to do these things phon say you say i'm different in definitely wet nest day you know how about somebody the other day said how about this one february versus february i'm like no no that's not a thing february like you're just an idiot if you say or or maybe it was a library someone said library or library uh The right one. Yeah.

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All right, we got Kirk Minahan on the show right now. You can watch him on Barstoolgold.com slash KFC, which I highly suggest because he is an old man trying to Skype on his phone inside of a car right now, and he's sweating profusely. He dripped sweat on his phone five times. He was doing the wipe on his biceps, you know, that wipe. Jesus Christ, Kirk, clean it up.

So go to Barstoolgold.com slash KFC. Watch this interview with us right now. It's KFC Radio featuring our newest co-worker, the latest Barstool employee. It's been a long time coming. This was absolutely inevitable. When was Kirk first on KFC Radio? Not first on KFC Radio, but most recently on KFC Radio. Because at that

one, you're like, why did you come work here? When did you go crazy, Kirk? That was the last time you were on. I was on in November promoting my brand new radio dot com show, which I'm looking forward to. That was quite the illustrious radio dot com stint. Can I can I just take a second to tell you how much I hate this fucking Skype thing? It's so dumb.

It's well, it's so it's so you know it is i hate to say it in 2019 it's just not masculine like i don't feel masculine doing this at all well you're sitting in your mercedes and you're holding the thing up to your eyeballs like you're a 90 year old i don't know i i can't i can't see without my glasses what am i i went for a run where where would you like me to be and like a fucking resort somewhere like what should i i went for a run where where would you like me to be like a fucking resort somewhere like what should i do it this way actually yeah i mean that works a lot better yes i'm not looking at like your pores so what you're telling me is if i put the phone sideways it actually okay i've never done that before yeah welcome welcome to the world grandpa like you're you're here now you

work for an internet company so let's fucking get with it, huh? No, I have no – I will never do that. I have no desire. None. None. None. How is – what's it? Two weeks about now technically at Barstool? Two weeks now.

Technically two days. I first came on the 15th. Yeah. It's been good so far. Yeah. It's what you guys told me. I've talked to you a little bit off the air. Feidelberg hasn't returned any of my calls sounds about right it's been it's been it's been pretty

much what i thought it was gonna be is that and i keep waiting for it to change but it seems like i can kind of do what i want and do my thing and if it does well it's because of me if it doesn't do well it's because of me i think yeah pretty much it's sink or float here i mean yeah which is funny because i i feel like coming from eei right or sports coming from coming from eei where you know eei and radio.com both were probably considered much more traditional and quote-unquote safe and probably structured but i bet that was a lot more chaotic than what you're getting at barstool because it's just like we leave you the fuck alone well it's very yeah it's very quiet like i haven't talked to erica text a little bit she just checks in once

in a while i've had literally no connection i've talked to portnoy's dad more than port oh you won't hear from dave for another like five years yeah and it'll be it that's it can be a good thing can be a bad thing where sometimes you're like what the fuck am i supposed to do yeah and i like i worked at the boston office i can't imagine like working in new york for seven years and just never hearing from dave it's crazy i mean but but it's perfect for someone like you you're a veteran in the business like a new a new kid coming in they want feedback they want hands on they want guidance you it's like yeah i know what the fuck i'm doing leave me alone but you still want feedback no not really no i mean i mean well i mean i like because honestly like when i talked

to dave even a few weeks ago like so i i you know basically kicked my way out of intercom i did that video at barnes and noble and like basically did everything except you know light myself on fire to get out of there and then portnoy portnoy reached out pretty quickly and like i i still don't i've done radio shows with him like On EEI, I've done radio shows. I don't think he has any idea what I do. He's like, you're going to do the thing that you do where you kind of rant, right? I'm like, yep. And he's like, once again, like you told me a few months ago, he said, just don't get depressed, okay?

Sounds good, boss. Let's get to work. But when you negotiate a contract with Barstool, so I took a deal. I talked about it on my podcast today, which is up now. I took what is known as an ad rev split. Feidelberg, do you know what a contract is? I think you're well aware of my contract knowledge, Kirk. As a matter of fact, just to sweeten it, in my contract,

I made sure I got one-tenth of one percent of Saturdays for the boys merchandise. I actually make more than you do. But when I talked to Portnoy, I was like, well, what about vacation? And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, vacation, like something somebody does when they're not working? And he's like, yeah, we don't really do that. That's not a thing. I'm like, that's kind of going to be an issue for me because I have a family.

It's just stuff like that. When I was like starting at – not starting at Barcelona. I was probably year three or so. My first year I worked in New York. I worked at my apartment. And then I moved on to Boston. I was there probably two years into there. So I was three years in, and I was asking to take off a Friday.

I was going to leave Thursday night, and I was just going to go for a long weekend. And Dave was like, what are you talking about? I was like, well, I was going to go skiing with some friends. I was wondering if I could just not come in Friday. And he's like, are you asking for a vacation? I was like, not really. I was asking for a Friday off. A single day?

Yeah. And I was like, and who would you be going with? I was like, my friends. He's like, have they only worked at a company for three years too? I said, yeah, some of them, some not even. And he said, if you take a vacation in your first five years of working somewhere, you're going to be a loser for the rest of your life. Something along those lines.

And I was like, I was so taken aback. I was like, are you telling me my friends are going to take a Friday off? Are they going to be homeless? He's like, yeah, probably. Right. So the way the contract, if you look at it, I'll show you guys. The way it's written is like Kirk can take X amount. They get the word vacations.

They make sure it's not in there. They're going to set this horrible precedent where employees can take. Kevin, if you want to go away with your kids, do you just say I'm going away? Never done it, Kirk. Is that true? I really never done it. I is that true i really never done i went i went on a honeymoon that's it yeah well but that's also like at the same time uh chaps was in hawaii and roan was in ethiopia like you i think the plan i think the best way to do it is

to just do it and and hope that dave doesn't even notice right because if you go up to him and you ask him for it you shoot yourself in the foot i I really haven't. I haven't done that. So, I don't know. That's why I put in a deal. I was just like, but now I feel like if I'm gone for a week, I feel like some asshole. But like, that's what he does. That's what Dave's the best at that. Dave is very good. Nobody, no, I don't want

I mind fuck. I don't want to be mind fucked with. I'm not comfortable with this. I don't like this experience. Oh, Kirk. Well, we might have a Radio.com situation on our hands then uh if you don't want to be fucked with your mind and you work for dave bortnoy you might be in trouble i was really under the impression dave would leave you alone but like he will he will like i think if kirk just goes and takes vacation i don't think dave's gonna be like kirk what are you doing taking vacation i don't i i think if dave finds out luckily dave doesn't pay attention to anyone but Dave.

So you can get away with just like. You know what he'll do? He'll give him a nickname. That's what he does. So like let's say you go to like L.A. for the week or something, Kirk. You'll be California Kirk for the next five years. So he'll just try to like shame you and annoy you. But I would imagine being an adult with your own career under your belt, you might just tell Dave to go fuck go fuck it's less possible now because there are so many employees but like back in the day it was dave would dave would shame you for

absolutely everything he just does it publicly so you're just like okay i'm not gonna do it anymore and that's why i don't know if anyone takes vacations or like doesn't try and work every day it's just because i don't i just don't feel like having we used to like when we were back in boston we would like buy our own laptops just because dave would write a blog that we asked for money because like i'd rather just spend two thousand dollars and have dave right yeah i mean he's he's the definition of a bully boss he's a narcissistic bully so welcome aboard kirk yes uh you've been doing some good videos though i mean even technically before like you know the clock started on your barstool career you did the kevin collin from the globe thing and you did uh you do a hell of a fucking old, like smoky Boston newspaper guy.

Well, yeah. Well, here's the thing is, so I grew up, you know, 15 minutes outside of Boston, right? I grew up in Winchester. And you know, there's certain towns in Boston where you don't have an accent and there's certain towns where you do. I, I don't, I don't naturally have one. My parents have them. Uh, but I, I didn't, I, I don't have one, but you one my parents have them uh but i i didn't i i don't have one but you know you spend like i my contention is that nobody's ever done a good boston accent ever in motion pictures they all think they're doing john f kennedy and they all fucking suck like it's

it's like it's some of the worst ones you ever heard in your life but yet you be around you're around some of these guys enough whether you're hockey you know and they're just kind of like and they talk faster they're kind of like yeah you know i went over there and i did that and it's just it's just fast that's the key it's not so much the accent it's fast They're kind of like, yeah, I went over there. It's just fast. That's the key. It's not so much the accent. It's fast, and it kind of comes and goes. But, yeah, I got in the character mode.

I spent four or six weeks getting in the character mode. I did. I followed them around. Yeah, it's fun. I like doing dumb shit. Speaking of accents, have you seen the Showtime City on the Hill or wherever it is? So Kevin Bacon is one of my favorite actors. And by the way, I am the best living Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon player.

You could give me anybody, I would get it. The best ever. So I was excited for the show. I saw his fucking accent, which he had in Mystic River, which sucked. And I was like, I'm not watching this. I can't watch it. The accent's terrible. It's really bad.

You know nobody talks like that. And he's one of the better ones in the show, though. That's how bad the whole show is. But I've seen guys from Boston, like Wahlberg and Damon, their accents are like, how is that possible? How is it bad? How? I don't know.

I don't know. You know, the moment during the straight Pride Parade video where you were talking to those two fucking clowns in the parking lot, when the one guy was like, this is Barstool Sports, right? You talk about sports. I want to make a sports point. And you were like, I suppose. That was my favorite moment that you've done so far. Just the sheer disgust of the thought of just discussing sports anymore is something that I feel like I need more of that.

I love it. Well, I appreciate that there are fans at Barstool who listen and also work there who are huge sports fans. There are certain sports I like, but I am uncomfortable with the level of homerism at Barstool Sports. I'm not accusing anybody in that room of it at all. I haven't seen any video or evidence. I can't seen any video or evidence. I can't think of anybody. And by the way, I'm glad everyone's been there. It always made me

uncomfortable at EI when they'd be like, hey, the Red Sox are playing today. I'm like, well, I mean, why? I don't care if we win or lose. Promoting is... Are you a sports fan? Do you still watch sports? I watch golf.

I watch football. And that's really about... But when you say you watch football, are you watching the Patriots? Or do you mean you just watch the NFL? I'll watch any football. Are you... So the sports thing, I was kind of talking about it

very briefly this weekend with a friend. Are you thrilled to not have to discuss ad nauseum today like the bruins drank beers on friday yes like how much do you think that will be covered on sports talk today a lot i mean you're gonna get the usual stupid like like what do i have to add to say the kevin durant discussion that like everybody else right like what's what's left to say? Like what you want to even say about a guy like Charb is you can be like the total opposite contrarian and be like, oh, I think he's fucking faking it. Like some stupid thing.

Like, which is just so dumb. Like everyone agrees he was tough. And the other thing about like hockey for me, you sit there, you play for like seven or eight months, you play a game seven. People skate around and like a fucking puck hits somebody in the hip and goes in. And you're like, well, that's what we've been watching for the last time. It drives me nuts. Yeah, I'm with you on that.

I think hockey is too much of a crap shoot. I mean, you know, I don't know. But, you know. So what would you say your focus is now? What can the people expect from the Kirk Minahan show if like it's not sports talk? You know, do you just kind of go with whatever the current events are? I know you kind of get a little political. Yeah, a little bit. But like if you listen today, it's sort of we kind of jump with whatever the current events are? I know you get, you kind of get a little political. Yeah, a little bit.

But like, if you listen today, it's sort of, we kind of jump around. You do story of the day. We kind of, it's like we used to do on my old show, which you kind of break balls, make fun of each other, play a shitload of sound. Well, I mean, like, you know, like today, for example, like you got to do five or six minutes on OJ. It's fucking unbelievable.

I mean, it's incredible. This fucking lunatic is on Twitter. It's like threatening to kill people again. It's, it's total fucking madness., I will use him for fantasy advice. I've already reached out. I mean, he is going to be part of my team. But I mean, like, you know, a couple of stories we saw today we did. You know, this is the first episode today. I did kind of go back and talk about where I worked before we played some sound of how shitty that station is now and some other stuff. Just stuff like that. Yeah, I feel like you're a bit of a grudge guy. No, not really. Are you... I mean, I will say

I'm still mad at Feidelberg for not saying he was sorry that my parents died. It's been nine months. That's a lie. We don't do lies here. I mean, I told you as soon as we got out of that room, hey, sorry about your parents, by the way. That's true.

That was actually a good moment. I have to give you credit. I did laugh at that. I did laugh at that. Are you – Oh, and I'm sorry. One thing we'll do every day, which we did today, we spent a couple minutes shitting on Carabas.

I feel like that's kind of necessary. Yes. Yeah, I just feel like that's almost required. If you work here now and want to be part of it. Everyone has reached out privately, texting me, whether it's Dave, Casey, and told me that Kravitz is a fucking prick. Make sure you rip him. He's an asshole.

I remember Feilberg, like picture after picture of the terrible things that Kravitz has done. And he said, please, please avenge this for me. I'm too afraid to do it. That's kind of my part of my job as well. So, yeah, I'll be doing that. Who do you have your sights set on? Because I feel like all your enemies, you're a big enemy guy. I have enemies.

Either you or the Minahan show. One of you had a tweet, I think, last night where it's like, who do you hope the first of my enemies to fall is? I feel like they're all very local. So who do you have your sights set on on a national level now? I mean, I think it just kind of happens, you know? I don't – I see my fucking thing. This is what I'm saying.

Yeah, I don't know if Skype's an advertiser or not. Skype's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. Skype's awesome. Skype's wonderful. They're great. Roman is great. Skype is great.

All wonderful. I love it. I'm using Roman as we speak right now. And I just I just ejaculated. Put your shirt up. Would you want to look at it? Thank you. Well, I think I think enemies sort of present themselves. You know, you got to wait. Nationally, I haven't really – I battled with Stephen A. Smith a little bit. He wound up not coming back on the show. But I want to have these guys on.

Like Brady and I really had issues with each other. I had him on every week, Tom Brady. And I don't think he liked the fact that I would ask him questions he wanted to be asked. I tried to get him on this first show. I want to have him on. Like I like having enemies on. I think that's important. Oh, yeah.

Like even that – you know, I think that I talked about a little bit today. I know it's a little old. But that girl from The Herald, that lady from The Herald with the towel story, it's fucking insane. Like, and she should, if you write something like that, I reached out to her to try and have her come on the first show. And she wouldn't respond. I feel like if you make charges like that, you have to respond. You have to. Particularly if you're a journalist, if you claim to be one.

I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I would say, Kirk, I think one thing we don't really have at Barstool is a show that almost invites or seeks out the attention and the controversy. I mean, we had one interview go awry with Action Bronson

and everyone was talking about it. Because it was the only time it's ever happened. We've never had people on shows that aren't friendly or, you know, there's nobody really going at it. Because it was the only time it's ever happened. We've never had people on shows that aren't friendly or there's nobody really going at it. So I would lean into that if I were you. Do you think that happens less and less nowadays? I can't even imagine anyone who didn't like us who would come on. Right.

Everyone kind of reverts back to the echo chamber, which is just such an overused buzzword now. But I'm just going to go on with my friends. I'm not going to go on with someone who's going to challenge me or talk about it. Well, you're right, and that was kind of my issue with Curt Atoni, who's a Somerville mayor. I tried to get him on, tried to get him on, tried to get him on.

He wouldn't come on, and once I lied and said I worked for the Globe because he thought it was a safe landing spot, boom, he jumps on and walks into whatever he walked into. But like me, if somebody who hates me reaches out and says, hey, come on my podcast, I would do it in two seconds. I mean, do you guys enjoy that? Do you feel uncomfortable when you did that, when you have somebody you don't like? Is that process uncomfortable with you guys, or do you like them?

Well, it's not that we didn't even like them. It's just Kevin. It went south mid-interview. So when it came on, it was fine, and then I asked him a question he didn't like, so it developed in the middle of it. It wasn't even like, it wasn't a planned thing. It wasn't scripted. It wasn't like, okay, we're going to get them with this. It was just, it just happened.

Do you find yourself, did you find yourself enjoying it or did you want to go? Um, I, I was uncomfortable only because of inexperience, but I, afterwards I was like that, like it got the juices flow and it's interesting. It's compelling. People are going to want to listen to it. But also it wasn't, it was, it was one thing I would enjoy if they would talk about it but he was also just like i'm not talking about you yeah he got mad and just shut down it's like well yeah then you're right then that doesn't become interesting it's like we've like talked with the uh uh friendly with like the pod save america guys

and we've like often talked about doing a crossover and um tommy would be he was like well he's like you know we might have to ask you harder questions about Barca. I welcome that. Please. You're right. I'm confident in my responses and my answers. I think I'm fine talking about it, but I feel like the other way around isn't very regular. Well, for me, I grew up

obviously listening to Stern, but the other show I listened to a lot when I was at Fordham and even before and after that, Kevin, I mean, Mike and the Mad Dogs would have crazy fights with, now there's a lot of Sporto kind of fights, but, Mike and the Mad Dogs would have crazy fights with, and now there's a lot of sport-o kind of fights. Right. But they would fight with, they would have the manager on,

whereas now, like in DEI or other places, it's like, you know, we're going to kiss this guy's ass. Right. They would drag Bobby Valentine on or somebody on or Brian Cashman, and those guys would kick the shit out of each other for like 30 minutes. Yep. And it was unbelievable. Like, you know, I know Frances is doing that now, but it was unbelievable. Like, you know, I know Francesca's doing that now, but it was unbelievable stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's so little of that going on now. And I don't know. I mean, the problem is, you know, you've got to, like, play nice to even get these people. And there is value. You know, if I get you on my show and our downloads goes up, like, who cares? But if you want to do it right, there's got to be some tension.

So, you know, if you want to do it right, there's gotta be some tension. So, you know, if you can, if you can lean into that, I think it would be a huge, huge market in the Barstool world. When you were earlier in the radio days, did people have basically like, like we'll get a podcast guest.

Now we get offered a podcast guest. You basically get their no-nos. You get like their topics of like things they won't talk about with action Bronson. We did not get that list. But you know, people be like, you know,

do you want this? Do you want X? If they won't talk about why y and like it happened recently with michael vick where it was like do you want michael vick you can't talk about dog stuff we're like well then what the hell we're gonna talk about like you can't it's not even like the whole interview is not gonna be based on that but we're gonna have to talk about it because it sounds ridiculous right right is that a newer thing or was that around in the like you know the the heyday of radio so to speak when you were like 1940 when you were in your prime. Yeah, I was going to say, who the fuck am I, 96 years old?

I mean, you're bald. You're bald, you're 60. By the way, I do appreciate, obviously, I didn't want to talk about penis reduction, so I thank you guys for not asking. It was very painful. But no, I mean, so in my experience, the old show I did, if that was one of those things, for us, it was just always a no. Like, we're not doing that.

That's not, we're not, it's just not happening. But for us, it kind of happened rarely because I think, especially with me, I think they thought, well, if we bring that up, he's just going to say what we brought up. You know, like, I'm going to say, well, you know, because if I add on Michael Vick's a great example. If they said, you can have Michael Vick on, you can't talk about the dogs. I'm like, well, okay, sure. No problem. But I'm never going to have Michael Vick on again. So I talk about the dogs, I'm like, well, okay, sure, no problem. But I'm never going to have Michael Vick on again, so I might as well ask him, like, what's the worst thing that's going to happen?

Come to my house and kill my dog? Like, you know, so we're going to talk about that. Well, you know what? I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what Elise has told to me. Well, that person's repped by this publicist, and if you piss her off, you're never going to get anyone in her Rolodex, and now half of Hollywood's gone, and I'm never going to talk to an actor again. And while I don't want to cave to that or maybe that's bullshit, at the same time, I'm like, yeah, is it worth it?

Do I really need to burn this bridge and piss this person off and all that? True. When it's worth it, it's worth it. If there really is a big moment, if we can get O.J. in here and he says, please don't talk about the double murder, I think I'll probably bring up the double murder. Would you? Would you bring up the double murder in front of oj i feel like uh i think i would absolutely first of all i oj is like dream guest number one we went through the guests we want to have on today like you know for me it's like i want i'd like to talk to trump again but oj for

sure i love that the question we asked today on my podcast is i i contend that oj and trump there is one at least one woman in the world they both fucked. Oh. Isn't that – that's not even a conversation. Kirk, at the same time probably, bro. At the same time. There you go. That's the next question I ask. Do you think OJ and Trump have had a threesome at some point? It's certainly –

Definitely. Not out of the question, yeah. I think one is so low for women they've both slept with. That's true. What's the number, do you think? Six and a half? I was going to say it's probably bordering on double digits, so I take the over on that. is so low for like women they've both slept with i i think true what's the number do you think six and a half i i was gonna say it's probably bordering on double digits so i take the over on that yeah i mean if you think about some of the senior bigger 90s type of things that were like

going on in the places and the circles you could run in i'm sure there's a ton of overlap but you know oj will never i know he's on social media he's never gonna do any interviews with anybody that's never gonna i can't i know he's on social media, but he's never going to do any interviews with anybody. That's never going to happen. I can't imagine. I know he's crazy, but that's never going to happen. You don't think so? Well, I mean, he's done, like, TV specials and shit. You mean like an off-the-cuff podcast type interview?

Yeah, he's going to be like, hey, I'm going to go on Barstool Radio and KFC Radio. He doesn't – because he – I mean, whoever's handling him knows what's going on. I agree with that, but I also think that just the mere fact of getting on Twitter means you're trying to grow a presence. So he's going to be doing some sort of appearances. And I mean, he's had the famous book, right? I mean, I feel like he knows. That's true. He knows what he's going to say.

He was out in Vegas. I feel like he doesn't care. I mean, Double Jeopardy. He's like, I don't give a fuck. What are you going to do? Could he literally be like, I did it, and they can't do anything? They truly can't do anything about it? Yes.

That's crazy. I think that's right that's right fucking wild but like so if you guys ran into oj at like a party some barstool but he's there would you talk to him like or would you be i i thought that i'd be scared to like i wouldn't be scared to but it wouldn't be fear preventing me just talking to a random person at the party would it's just a stranger it's just it's just a reasonable that's a reasonable answer i feel like i'm less afraid of oj than i should be now don't get me wrong i'm not i'm afraid of him but i think he just like wanted to kill those people like i don't think he's like

yeah like i didn't cheat on him yeah he's not like a serial killer he doesn't want to kill me i didn't it's like it was his wife that he didn't like and the girl was having sex i meant more i meant more from a moral objection perspective. He'll beat the shit out of his wife for like 20 years and then chop their heads off and Ron Goldman. I don't know.

I have a moral objection to the act. I don't have a moral objection to talking to the guy. You're anti-decapitation? For the record. Or anti-attempted decapitation. Entire decapitation I'm still wishy-washy on. I feel like I would talk to him, but I wouldn't smile. I wouldn't yuck it up.

I don't want a picture of OJ where we're shaking hands. But I feel like you've got to interact with the guy if you have the opportunity in the business we're in. I mean, if your boyfriendco interviews OJ, Twitter will just freeze and go away and melt. That hadn't even crossed my brain. That would be the ultimate for me. That would be my entire existence coming together.

I don't think Francesco would do it. I don't think he would either. I think Francesco would do a phone one. I don't think he'd have him in studio. In studio? I mean lot the amount of people following him and whatnot are like he's got more followers than brady already yeah morbid curiosity man you guys so so i i put up a blog kind of kind of debating this because

you know in one hand it's like the most interesting thing ever in my mind the oj saga and this is a chance to get like all of his thoughts and then on other hand, it's kind of scummy if you're like, follow, like, people are liking his tweets, interacting with them. It's one thing if you're just more of a curiosity, but another thing to almost appear like you're a fucking fan of the guy. I know the whole thing, everyone makes me how stupid

he is, but right now, Kim Goldman, Ron Goldman's sister, just started a podcast. It's called Confronting OJ Simpson. It just started last week. It week it's actually really good i listened the first couple of episodes you hear it and like i know we remember he killed people would you kind of forget yes what a fucking psychopath yes man a fucking lunatic the the goldman family is always the key like if you watch any documentary the goldman family are like my son was slaughtered and this guy is walking free like why aren't you you know like when you hear from the mom and dad's point of view you really do remember what happened and

you're not it's just i mean obviously it's the worst luck of all like what person at barstool would have the kind who's the worst luck person at barstool who would walk in to that kind of situation returning sunglasses and get their heads cut off kevin's me yeah i would say so i set you up for that. And at this point I would welcome it. Just fucking take it. Yo, Jay.

Uh, you mentioned podcast. Do you listen to a lot of podcasts? I do. Yeah. I listen to you guys. I have you guys subscribe and I listen to you guys. No, you don't.

That was bullshit. You can hear it in his voice. You don't listen to our show. I have you subscribed. I have you subscribed and I, I loaded it to my phone. Ask me any question you want about your podcast. I'll answer it.

It's fine because guess what? Ask a fucking question. Ask a fucking question. What's a good question from recent episodes? What did Feidelberg, when his parents tried to get him to go to therapy, what did Feidelberg do as a child? I have no idea. Yeah, exactly.

That was like one episode ago. Another fucking clue.berg do as a child? I have no idea. Yeah, exactly. That was like one episode ago. Another fucking clue. For the record, he threw chairs through the window as an eight-year-old boy. You never went to therapy ever? No, they got me to go one time, and I was like, this is stupid. I go every week still. I said 2019 was going to be my mental health year. I haven't gotten to a therapist yet, but we're going to get there.

No rush. Yeah, you'll be fine. Take your time. It's not that important. How you how's your headspace bro pretty good i feel well i feel you know honestly like professionally this is so good like i'm enjoying it and like i am amazed at how i've never worked anywhere where people want you to do well well you're gonna find one thing that's funny is i think people want you to do well. Well, you're going to find one thing that's funny is I think people want you to do well when you start. And then when you get up, people will go against you.

And Barstool has the weirdest fans in the world where the fans don't want you to do well. They're like indie fans. They don't want you to be successful. Oh, I have this weird like parody world where it's like it's strange and they want me to do well, but don't want me.

You can never win, right? They're going to hate you no matter what but i don't feel like i mean look i'm gonna do a little podcast hopefully it does well but it's not gonna be like fucking pardon my take or call her i mean it's just gonna be this podcast i do it's not gonna be like i change the world there's the fucking attitude kirk you fit in great with casey radio i'm just gonna put this mediocre product no i'm gonna do the best show i can but i know i recognize that you know podcasts are monsters now right like i mean you know i'll i think it'll do very well so far so good and you know we'll see what happens i don't fucking know what made you want to do podcast rather than radio um well first of all i think it's just less segmented and i was kind

of tired of that even serious and And Dave wanted me to do this, do serious. Erica wanted me to do strictly a podcast. I was leaning more toward podcast. And I importantly, we never even had a conversation. He was like, oh,

okay, whatever. You know, it wasn't, so I don't know where I was going to be on. I don't know where I was going to be. That was the other thing. We'd have to like rearrange a few shows,

I think, or give you a time slot. Yeah. I didn't want to do that. This is way more, I think it's a, frankly, it's a bigger audience. I mean, you guys know, I think, or give you a time slot. Yeah, I didn't want to do that. This is way more, I think it's a, frankly, it's a bigger audience. I mean, you guys know. I mean, you know, I know you guys do serious, you know, you have your show there as well.

But, like, don't you feel like the podcast reaches a more, a bigger, and more loyal audience? There's no doubt about it. I think with serious offers is a much different demo. I think I'm getting, you know, people in the Midwest and the West Coast who are out there in their cars all day, which is great. I want to always expand.

But if I need to put a good interview or a good product or whatever to my bread and butter, it's my podcast. I think it's funny with Serious. Maybe part of it is due to the fact that it caters to people in cars and people driving. But we put out a podcast. I'll wake up to a bunch of tweets about the podcast about like certain segments on and stuff like that i'll go on serious for two hours and it's like it didn't happen it's just not yeah i mean again it's like the people are listening it's just they're not who we interact with and who we care about as much you know what's funny is i didn't listen i didn't listen to bar i'll be honest

didn't listen to barstow radio at all until like a month ago on Sirius. Yeah. And it's actually – I thought it was going to be kind of a mess. Actually, it is a mess, but it's actually better than I thought. Like I actually enjoy – I fucking love the show. I went on it. I love the show of Poor Noise Daddy. I fucking love the show.

I think it's funny as fucking hell. You and Carabas and Casey – well, you and Casey are good. Obviously, Carabas and Casey? Well, you and Casey are good. Obviously, Carabas is there. There's actually stuff. I did the week with Riggs and Dave in Atlanta and I was like, I was talking to Riggs during the break. I'm like, how do you do the show every day? He's not even fucking paying attention.

I know, it's wild. He's the worst radio host ever. The worst! He's the worst radio personality in America. I've worked with some fucking shitty radio personalities. He's as bad as any of them. Dude, one time we did two hours of him on the phone with American Express customer service.

The entire show was either on hold or talking directly to them. It's crazy. I don't know. Let me ask you one pressing question before I let you go because I can see you're sweating your dick off in your Mercedes. I ran before. Yeah, sure you did. Whatever, dude. What was the implication there? Just that you're sitting there sweating like a fucking loser. That's all. I, sure you did. Sure you did. Whatever, dude. What was the implication there?

Just that you're sitting there sweating like a fucking loser. That's all. I'm in tremendous shape. The reaction I got from a few of my friends who are like barstool people who live up in Boston, pretty like level-headed. We're just, you know, I usually trust their opinion or whatever. They were like, what makes you think Kirk Manahan's not going to have some sort of falling out with you that happened at eei it happened right away with radio.com uh would would there be any reason to expect things to go south here yeah i think so i think it's probably gonna end badly i mean i mean when you when you say

when you say when you say when you say you you mean you personally? I think we get along fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I mean with, with Barstool.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, of course it will. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I,

I take anti-psychotic medication. I was locked up. I was in a fucking rubber room. Like, boy, your friends are so perceptive. Wow. Great job.

The real fucking detectives you have for buddies. Jesus Christ. Uh, yes, it's going to end for buddies jesus christ uh yes it's going to end really poorly like it's going to be my fault but i will blame everyone else and and and then i will like i mean what do you think's gonna happen oh this is some oh make sure yeah make sure you listen to willie cologne today he's a fucking he's tremendous like what like what like what do you what do you what do you want me to do? But at the same time, that's why I got hired.

Yep, yep, yep. That's exactly. It's almost like the hot girl who, like, fucks really good, but you know the relationship's going to be crazy. You're the radio personality. We know we're going to get fireworks, but eventually it's going to come back. But it's in the ass. I think so.

I hope so. I mean, yeah. I mean, the good thing for you is like that will never be requested of you because it's never requested of anybody like promote someone else's show it's not like it's very much you're on your own so this is the question I'll ask for you guys you guys are veterans what is the in-house policy

if something sucks to shit on it um it's I don't there's nothing against it I think I think I think so few people who work at barstool consume other barstool content it's true too yeah that it's like it's not even really known like it's like right you like i like with blogs i probably have like four people four or five people whose blogs i read i don't listen to podcasts i don't listen to the radio so i don't like i don't see a ton of barstool. If something sucks, I'd probably just be like, I have to fucking move on.

Yeah. But there's nothing against it. You're free to say whatever you want. Just know that despite the name and the reputation, it is a very large collection of insecure people who like are very too touchy and will be very upset by it. Minus, you know,

like me, Feidelberg and Dave, like everyone else is going to be, it's going to be an issue. But if you want to, you want to just, you know, shit on, I don't know. Dave. Like, everyone else is going to be an issue. But if you want to just, you know, shit on, I don't know. Dave will love it. Dave will love it.

Dave does it all the time. Well, Dave used to do it all the time. Dave consumes the least Barstool content out of anyone at Barstool. Director of content. And he's the director of content. Good. That's what you want from your boss. Yeah, like.

Trust me. Trust me. The last thing you want is your boss coming in every day at the end of a show saying, ah, should you have said that? We're going to get a call from that. That's true. Just like, go. Get the fuck away from me. Just go away. There was one time we were at, where were we?

It was probably this summer or something. Or no, it was last summer because it was the Super Bowl before that. And Dave went to open something on his phone. He accidentally opened podcasts. And the last podcast he'd listened to was a podcast he was on probably like eight months before. Yep. Just listening to his own interview.

He hadn't listened to anything. Again, he's the director of content. You would think he at least takes a glance at things. He does not. You can say whatever you want about whoever you want, including Dave Portman on your podcast. Unless someone twitches on you, they're not going to hear it. I guess I'll get you guys. I'll

wrap it up with this because it ties back into OJ. OJ's been looking for his killers for so long. KFC, you should get your brilliant detective friends maybe to put that together and maybe we'll finally find the true killer. Is there anybody who ever says, hey, you know, boy, it's great that Kirk

Minahan's coming to work for you. He's a really funny guy. I never hear that. Oh, it's going to fucking end badly. Well, fuck your stupid fucking friends. Fuck them. Honestly, that is what you're signing up for. I think in this business, if anything ends smoothly, it means you weren't pushing the envelope.

It means you sucked at your job. Yeah, agreed. I hope it crashes and burns. Thank you very much. But I hope at least, you know, let's get a few months under our belt, at least. Let's try to beat Radio.com stint, okay? Well, I've already done more work now. The podcast is up now. I am up right now

on my Radio.com output. One podcast up, another one will be up tomorrow at 11 a.m. Alright, so wait, what is your schedule? Like, how many times a week? Five days a week. Oh, shit. Five days a week. Wow.

Yeah, I mean, you know. Yeah, so today's was like an hour and a half. It'll be like an hour, 15, hour and a half every day until I go on vacation next week for three weeks. That's the problem. I get the house in Maine. I mean, what the fuck? All right.

Go download it now. The Kirk Manahan Show on iTunes, Spotify, all those spots. Kirk, we'll talk to you soon, pal. All right, boys. See you. The Kirk Manahan show on iTunes, Spotify, all those spots. Kirk, we'll talk to you soon, pal. All right, boys.

See you later. All right. Thank you to that fucking lunatic. Kirk Manahan. That interview was brought to you by Postmates. Kirk is going to do Postmates last night. I slept in a bar last night and I got Postmates last night. I mean, that's the thing.

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funny, and exactly what I wanted. Did you think, I knew that was coming. I didn't think he was going to be like, no, it'll it'll be great i knew i didn't know it was gonna go to the extent of like i take anti-psychotic medicine of course it's gonna go terribly but i really do believe that especially you know there's it's funny like certain people are hired to do certain things or just certain expectations you know and i think you can be a new hire here and people just want you to like make your videos and crack some jokes and get some clicks and some views and call it a day and I think with Kirk like there's

an expectation of like you know some fireworks and some compelling shit's gonna go down and some controversial shit's gonna go down and I think when you sign up for that you kind of know that it will crash and burn in some way you know I don't think I I will personally ever crash with Kirk no I can definitely see a scenario where eventually it's like we i think it's time to separate we won't clash with kirk because it's not like kirk i i think kirk even i'm trying to think of a good comparison for a good analogy for it but like we're just like the the animal in the wild the lines like it's not even worth yeah with him he's not he's going to lay down and let me eat his guts. Right.

You're not going to get what you want out of this. Kirk wants to get mad. Be like, I don't like that Feidelberg blog. I'm like, I don't give a shit. Yeah, fuck you, dude. Okay. It's not supposed to be for you, I guess. Right.

I got to treat everybody else. It's one thing. Yeah. It's like, I don't like me. I don't like what I write. So when you say it, I'm just like, I get it. It's fine. I'm not super defensive of what I do. Your don't like what I write. So when you say it, I'm just like, I get it. It's fine. I'm not super defensive of what I do.

Your criticisms are probably valid. Yeah, you're right. Self-awareness, bro. I know. Self-awareness on 100,000 trillion. You don't like that take. That's fine. I understand it's probably not going to be for everybody.

I feel like it's weird that most people don't get that. I don't understand that. I physically don't understand that. Well, most people are full of themselves. But why would you want everyone to like you? Why do you think what you do should be for everybody? Yeah, because people have an insatiable need to be liked. Wouldn't that be like that's the exact opposite of like,

not even controversial, but like entertaining. I agree. I think if you're not polarizing in some regard even i think i think even if everyone likes you i think that's boring too yeah yeah you know it's not even like polarizing one way i also think that everyone likes it's like all right i don't really fucking care aside from a few a handful of people who are just like so cool so enjoyable so likable that everyone universally is down with them i think it's different also like i'm thinking of i think you're probably you say like someone who's universally like i think immediately the rock

yeah but i think it's different when you're pretending to be something else i think if you're if you're offering your genuine human emotions and everyone likes it i think that's fake if you're acting that that was kind of my point is that if you are outside of those those type of those handful of people who are like entertainers if you are even musicians i don't think she's universally because you're offering your own yes opinions and thoughts you're writing being real someone is not going to like you right if you have a a massive amount of people and like even i would almost even just say like a large majority i think you have to be trying to do that right you have to be saying yourself like all right i'm not going to say that because I want more fans.

I am going to say this because that's going to appeal to this fan base and I'm going to have them. And no shame in that game. You could pull a Drake and be a chameleon to every single demo and every single style and make all the money in the world. But you're not being totally real if everybody likes you. Someone said that to me recently. It was like one of my – I got like a lib fight or whatever it is response.

And it wasn't even about something like liberal or conservative at all. I forget what my tweet even was because it was so benign. And someone replied something along the lines of like you really don't understand your base, huh? Like that's the opposite of what they think. I don't give a fuck what my base thinks i don't even know what my base is yeah i don't like i'm just my i feel like my base likes because i just say whatever the fuck i like it's almost it's almost what i honestly think it's kind of like a cop-out or a catch-all or enabling in some regard but our brand is just like us you know what i mean it's like i i that's that's why i never listen to

feedback really i listen to feedback from people i respect i would listen to feedback from you i listen to feedback from dave i listen to feedback from nick brendan i listen to feedback from a lot of people the office here yeah no i i respect dave i do and um i will listen to feedback from people who like i feel like have earned my attention, but I'll never like pay attention to anything else because it's like, I'm not acting. There's nothing. I know. There's like what you say.

I don't like change. You know what I mean? I'm just telling you what I think. You're just going to make me feel bad about myself. If you're like, I don't like this. Well, I'm like,

well, like if you're, you know, like if you suck, fuck you. I'm like, well, that's just me.

So like, I don't really care if you don't like it. I mean, it's just like, there's nothing for me to change. There's no character for me to tweak. If we were writing scripted jokes or something, and it was like, you know, that joke isn't funny,

I'd be like, all right, maybe I could work on this or change that punchline or the setup or whatever. I mean, it's just my opinion. But that's where, I mean, I realized, the moment I realized that Barstool, and this happened, so I'll be 10 years in this August, and this probably happened, I don't know, maybe within the first two years,

where I just realized no matter what opinion I had, no matter what thought I had, like 50% of people would be down with it. Or agree to it, or react to it. Like, I was comfortable enough that anything that came

through my head was gonna like stimulate conversation and be at least a reasonable take you know what i mean like i'm not saying everyone agreed with me but it wasn't that people were gonna like be completely dismissive which is it becomes a powerful thing where eventually you're just like so my my thoughts are what like is gonna pay my bills now you know what i mean it's like it's it's kind of a it's a great spot to be where um you know i'm sure on some level we hit like a ceiling but i'd much rather do it this way where it's just like well we don't even have to work that hard we're just like saying what comes into my brain and it seems to work every single time that's what's weird about uh like getting older is like i'm like you know is that is that does that still

apply like now what do you mean like my my opinions definitely have changed as i've like become a father or gone through a divorce and i'm like well what if you know my my thoughts on the world now are not as universally like understood or reacted to you know what i mean yeah like at one point i was so i always say i'm so medium you know i was like a 25 year old dude white guy living in manhattan and i was like with a few friends in murray hill and i worked in a finance job and i looked like i look i made the money i made and i and i had you know but that's so much more boring than a single father agreed but it was you it was very universal so it was back before like kind of the opposite of the conversation we just had where it was like i know that every one of my friends peers relatives acquaintances are going

through the exact same thing as me so i can it's it's it's relatable now it's like uh i don't know i mean there aren't many i mean i don't know anybody who's gone through the shit that i've gone through so now i think i might be more interesting, but less... Less... It's weird. I'm like, relatable to a less amount of people, I think, now. But the people I am relatable to, I'm like, they are like, I get it.

You know what I mean? Yeah, but I think you're still looking through it. You're looking at... I don't think your beliefs have changed. Like, largely. Like, yes, maybe about parenting, or whether you put kids in a microwave, it's changed a bit. But you just have – it's the take, the spin you have on it where it's just like, yeah, this is a more unique understanding. I'd want to hear from you more.

That was always my thing. I don't really get it. I want to hear from people I don't i guess i'm relatable but like i i prefer to listen to people who i disagree with or have just some insight to offer that i don't understand that was kind of that was what i was banking on after uh the whole public explosion because you know and i wrote that in that that long ass fucking long-winded blog i wrote is like i've seen some shit now and i can speak with experience we said this the other day i don't know if we said it on there uh when when you start when when you can relate to music that's when you know like

you're living you know what i mean like you used to yeah a radio song comes on the radio and you dance to it you like it whatever when you start listening to lyrics and it's about like a horrendous breakup or a death or a rock bottom or and you're like oh shit yeah i feel bad you know like i listen when when i when when i can relate to some halsey lyrics that girl's crazy man i'm like oh shit so uh yeah it's definitely you know as you grow you get more experience with any lyrics i don't think i don't think use a song. I'm like, yep, that's it. You hit the nail on the head right there, buddy. No, I mean, maybe not you exactly. But like, you know, if you if you just have like a happy, normal relationship when when

someone like a Halsey puts out a song about like a fucking catastrophic, deep seated, like abusive fight type of relationship, those people can't relate to that you're like oh yeah i know that is i guess i guess i get that but like largely i i don't have any songs where i'm like oh yeah like i don't preach this i i yeah i don't have i have songs i enjoy kind of but there's i don't really i don't have a word but i gotta put that on to feel like oh yeah i mean that that's a chick thing you know what song I'm really down with right now it's very funny you know Lizzo

I like I get so sassy with that song it's just like me pretending to be a big fat black chick singing about like I don't need no man I think those songs are very funny cause girls it's like the one I've been listening to a lot is Truly Madly Deeply by Yolk Lore.

By Yolk Lore? Yeah. We'll have to drop that in. I don't know that one. Is this some like Feidelberg sappy shit or some Feidelberg crazy shit? You just like listening to this in the shower in the morning? Let's do doing walking.

Yeah, this is... It's on Olive Garden. Savage Garden, right? Yeah, I was going to say. It's redone. It's very good. I like it. That song. But I'm not like...

Oh, the love. I like that voice. It's interesting. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I sing it. That song. But I'm not like, oh, the love. I like that voice. It's interesting. I mean, I sing along with Lizzo like I am an oppressed female. I just can't get enough of those songs from girls like that, though, because how many songs from your favorite male entertainer have you heard about like, male power, I don't need no girls in my life. Like,

no, we don't do that. You know what I mean? Uh, I mean, fuck bitches get money. It's kind of the same thing. Yeah,

but it's much more. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Get money is up there for sure. I just think it's funny when it's like all this like girl power shit and it's like,

but you're still like so consumed by this that you're making music about it. You know what I mean? No. What do you mean? Like I feel like this song is kind of like I'm so like unbothered by men and it's like – It's all you girls talk about incessantly. I know the song, but I don't listen to lyrics. The song –

I don't know. It's just very much like I don't need a ring on my finger. I don't need no man. Like I'm on to the next one. I'm a bad bitch that you could have had the best thing. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. But like you also know that deep down girls who are singing that are like i want a boyfriend so bad you know i don't think so i think maybe sometimes it's like i think most times the girls

are doing that it's like they're putting on a front because they feel like they need to i think not that they actually feel it i think once you once it happened like once maybe like before breakup you thought that but then once it happens you're like oh yeah i wasn't even happy i don't need that yeah yeah but i i think then girls are like, you're like, oh, yeah, I wasn't even happy. I don't need that. Yeah, yeah. But I think then girls are like, but I need to get to the next one. I need to find the right one. I think very – I mean I think people in general are very like uncomfortable alone.

I think what – I think saying that, it reminds me of – because it's one of the popular phrases on Twitter right now is like rent-free. Yeah. Live like – Yes. And it's just like, well, no, it's not living rent-free. It's just a thought I had. not i'm not living right it's just it's a thought i had yeah and it doesn't consume me right it's just like oh yeah like fuck toronto people like oh toronto just live in red i don't like them at the moment i mean like i mean i saw a picture of him i was like ah fuck that and it's not living space in my head right it's just like

i was on twitter i saw a picture i reacted to the picture yeah and i think it's kind of like yeah i i wrote a song about how i i like being single that's it i i i i would uh i would imagine that there are some girls like that but i would also imagine based on sure my experience is is that girls, normal, just average chicks, if you could ask them, okay, right now, do you want to be in a happy relationship or do you want to be single? They wouldn't be like, I'm single, living my best life. They'd be like, oh, yeah, give me the boyfriend. The average girl. I guess probably.

But you can probably say that about guys, too. If you told me, hey, I'll give you a really healthy, happy relationship. But I don't know. There would be part of me that's like, maybe not. I think most girls would be like, yeah, give you a really healthy, happy relationship. But I don't know. There would be part of me that's like, maybe not. I think most girls would be like, yeah, give me that regular dick. Just girls. The girl power,

it's the power of the pussy. You got the best thing in the world right there. That's the most powerful thing on the planet. Just lean into that girl power instead of the fake girl power. That's fair. Let's get into maybe a little adolescent to adolescent.

Because, I don't know. I think it's just adolescent-adolescent. I feel like it's going to be reversed. Yeah. I spent the weekend with my girlfriend. Yeah, that's why I was like, so who's dad-adolescent now? Let's find out.

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Went to the X Games one time when they were in Providence. I used to pretend to be the snowboard cameraman. That counts. I'm basically an X Gamer. I was a snowboarder. I'm a skier. I was a snowboarder during my rebellious years. And then I went back to skiing because i saw an old guy who snowboarded and i was like i don't want to be that guy yeah well uh but it's not just even like it's not just extreme sports anymore it's just doing doing what you love getting out there your passions and uh

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Dew the Dew, baby. Dew the Dew has been their slogan since the beginning. Yeah, when you hit a home run that's got to be the longest running like campaign ever shout out the mountain do uh so this weekend i go on a bachelor party so i'll be the adolescent and it was in leesburg virginia hell of a place and i think it was just because uh one of the dudes owned a house out there and you know it was probably like 65 grand and it was like a thousand acres and like 55 bedrooms and all that shit so i think the idea was like uh you know you don't pay for a hotel you don't pay for a house we can just stay at this guy's place for free he had a big backyard so we're doing it was up to me that's what every bachelor party would be too just like random place you get to go get fucked up well

i was as i was i mean i was driving now it's like five hours oh you drove yeah i mean i don't know how else to get to the fucking sticks of virginia what do you do i would say fly into a town in virginia that's bigger and then yeah i mean i guess i just didn't even i guess i don't even know what the capital of virginia is uh richmond richmond that's the time i was trying to think i was almost at raleigh but i was like nope i was like it's like on the border of west virginia and virginia i i guess i just didn't even consider it but yeah i hopped in the whip and i'm driving i'm kind of like why am i going here but then i show up and i see like this big i mean we are i'm in the sticks dude like like one of those places where the neighbors are like a half a mile apart yeah so like you die you don't get found yeah by a bear in three years yeah but once i saw like the porch in the backyard i

mean we had corn cornhole uh can jam uh uh beer pong table we had beer diet we had so much space open air like whatever um so we did that for the first day we were called it was the official like bachelor party of sitting everybody there's like a lazy slob right the one activity we had planned and we did it the saturday like day we went tubing but not like pulled by a boat tubing like we went to a river and we floated down it on a tube like now was this river set up for tubing or did you just find a river no no it's all set up um like yeah you go to this place they buy you buy a tube and they give you a life preserver they bust you to like the top of like this mountain or whatever and then you can you float

down it back to the beginning um how long does it take two hours that's a long time it's a long time so like it's like people love it uh in new england they do sacco like sacco main yeah and they i've never done it because it's not something i have any interest in. It's basically the same thing. We set up a campsite and you just go tubing forever. Forever. I show up and I'm thinking that there's going to be a locker or something somewhere like Ultraboost

and I'm not really prepared for this. They're like, here's your tube. I was like, where can I put my belongings? They're like, you can just leave them here if you want. Just outside. You can pick them up later. I was like, oh, alright can I put my belongings? And they were like, I don't know. You can just leave them here if you want, just outside. You can pick them up later. And I was like, oh, all right.

Yeah, I'm going to do that. I don't want these. The only shoes I had on the trip, I can't have them soaked. And they were like, oh, well, you can't. One pair of shoes on a trip? What are you, a middle school boy? Well, I mean, again, this was supposed to be the weekend. It was build up to me. It's like, don't bring any nice clothes.

Don't worry about going anywhere. We're just going to be deplorable and sit around all weekend. Okay. Still, I'd have, I mean, no matter where I go. Bring your high heels. I have a bag of clothes and a bag of shoes. No, I'm usually with you, but this weekend was supposed to be, I was, like, embracing the fact that it was going to be so opposite of that.

But then they're like, oh, well, you have to wear some footwear because, like, a hazard or whatever. So I have to go buy myself some like aqua socks. So now picture me in a pair of like mountain hiking river shoes. Where did you go buy? They had them there. Like 15 bucks or whatever. So this is definitely not the first to do this. Not the first to wear those probably.

Yeah. So I'm walking around in those. Did you give them back? Ridiculous. No, I don't even know what to do with them. Oh, okay. But I just want to make sure you give them back because that meant someone else would get them.

No. Well, they at least had like a you know plastic thing around it anyway those are impossible to put back on it's so hard they buy it back for me after it's for three dollars people like cats how would you like get a fucking pound of meth with that so they give me they we they drive us to this fucking river and uh we got we got a floating cooler we got like a tube with all the ice this one dude had a uh a waterproof speaker so we hop in a beautiful day water's nice enough i'm like all right it's pretty cool i had like surrounding beers just sitting in my tube and we're floating the music's on it was like all good and then like we hit a couple rapids and shit and it wasn't like whitewater rafting but like it's a big river and everybody just gets separated

which is kind of stupid i'm like the whole point here is that i'm gonna like hang with my friends and catch up with them and it's like well he's floating on the other side of a goddamn river now and he's like half a mile up that direction and people are getting stuck on rocks and shit like that the father yeah like like there's you know there's fucking rocks in the middle of the in the middle of the river and like somebody event a couple people tried to like tether together and then like the rope got caught around the rock and i mean my arms are still sore from trying to paddle around also when you sit in a tube you're actually kind of flexing the whole time you're not like completely relaxed yeah so my abs i was just flexing for two straight hours.

Pissing on yourself. Oh, pissing all over. Somebody was like, where's the bathroom? I was like, it's this giant river. This thing is at least 50% pee right now. Are you kidding me? So the father-in-law was there. His tube pops.

So at one point, we just see him like struggling with a deflated tube what are they i don't know because nobody's got a cell phone that was the other thing that's the other thing we all were like uh i guess like should we bring our cell phones and wallets and and a few people like nah like fuck that we're not gonna need it and a couple guys like all right i'll bring it so that we have like a phone to use whatever but we all got separated so how long by the end by the end of the story i'll fast forward to the end for a second i'm in west virginia on a mountain with no phone and no wallet you cross state lines oh yeah and i'm like i don't know what the fuck to do now like i am completely stranded so i'm on the river michael scott episode of the office i haven't even watched

a bear grills show it's a it's not a parody of that show that's my extent of my living in the wild situation i mean guys were a couple guys got like real roughed up like i guess the different part patches the river i i was i chilled the whole time i was good but some guys like they they popped their tubes some people flipped and got stranded uh it was it was put it this way one of the guys uh the big wheeze he told me that uh it was a top three worst experience of his life the uh first time number one was when uh he found out someone in his family had cancer number two was when he found out someone in his family had a miscarriage and number three was this that was his list list of experiences and how bad they were. The funniest shit, though, was there's multiple companies that were doing this. And when we finally get towards the end, eventually I just said, fuck it.

I went down the river by myself because people were trying to stay together. And we were all getting stuck because there was too many people. So how long were you solo? Probably like the last 25 minutes. Oh, okay. It wasn't that. Yeah, yeah. But I also was with guys that like, I just met like, I'm here to like, see my friends

of 25 years. You guys are cool. But like, I didn't need to drive to Virginia and float down a river with you. So, uh, everyone's like peeling off to this one spot that looks like it's the end of the road. They said, get off at the green bridge. So there's the green bridge. I get off.

And it turns out that was just for that company. So I walk up this hill in the woods, and I see their bus. And I'm like, all right, where's the bus for Adventure Town, whatever our company was? And they're like, ah, no, bro, you're in the wrong spot. You've got about 15 more minutes. You've got to get back on the river, go past the Green Bridge, and you've got another whatever hundred yards whatever hundred yards and i was like nope you can't give me i was like i am

not getting back on that fucking river i am back on land my feet are on the earth i am done being outdoorsy like back to reality and i just walked on the side of the road with my tube in my aqua socks with a sunburn very drunk and i and you had to like walk up a mountain like i had i was like trudging my way up and then we get there and uh i'm like oh now i have no cell phone and uh oh so you didn't bring your cell phone to the plate like it was nowhere to put it there was no so and at first i was like you know what it's gonna be nice i'm gonna unplug never again never again i'm not going anywhere without my cell phone ever again we get we i know we're done and i'm like uh all right i don't nobody has a phone so we can't like get an uber i was like can you

talk to the employee i'm like can you give me an uber and i guess i'll like pay you back and he's like now uber doesn't come here what he's like yeah they just refuse to come here i can't that's another thing x off anywhere and i can't get an uber yeah if you don't do uber you just don't do it i don't do it i don't do you so then i eventually got a call uh i i by the grace of god i found a stoolie i just hear like yo kfc and i was like oh my god like in fucking west virginia like in the strangest of place, you know, it's like not one of our footholds at all. So I use his cell phone to call a cab.

And I just, I mean, getting back home, it cost me like $120 to get the fucking cab. It was insanity. I would have paid $120,000 to leave that mountain and get home. It was, did you have the cash? I had the cash at the house. So I was like, I was like, I got nothing on me, but I promise I'll be able to run in there and get it. But I mean, I would, I would have blown that guy if I had to, I would have done whatever

it takes to have paid him money to get back. But I'm making it sound like, I mean, it was still a very fun weekend and actually having such a ridiculous like event, uh, led for some great stories. But the whole weekend otherwise was was I think I was probably I would say like 18 and 2 at Beard Eye. Dominant run. That's pretty good. I never played it.

I never played it. The bachelor party was Jay Hay, former starting 9 guy here, or I guess still current. He was Midwest, went to school in Chicago. That's like what they do. So I'd always heard about it, never played it.

Great game for this age. Very fun. You can just sit. And I mean, these guys get so into it. They're like diving on the floor, getting splinters and shit, trying to catch it. I would do like the Daria. I'd be like, if I can't reach it with my hand, that's it.

The Daria. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. The throwback. The throwback it's a throwback baby um yeah so it was a lot of that it was the oddest dynamic one dude lived near the bachelor house like full-time residence with his family like it was one of the neighbors so he was like back and forth the whole weekend so sometimes he was in like bachelor party mode and other times he was just like with his wife and kids and he said he was like back and forth the whole weekend so sometimes he was in like bachelor party mode and other times he was just like with his wife and kids and he said he was like i woke up in

the morning and i was looking at my family like they're strangers who are you people he said his daughter was like daddy where have you been let me tell you honey i'm about uh three quarters of a mile down the road getting absolutely blacked out with 24 dudes it was uh quite the dynamic but yeah that was i guess i'm the adolescent you're just washed up i did i i actually i unplugged for longer than you i got to my girlfriend's apartment friday night and she was working and she her internet was down so i just read all friday night what did you read and she lives in like a weird apartment like there just isn't service so like it's just isn't service. I couldn't even look at Twitter. I was as uploaded as you for a much longer time.

Wow. It was from 9 p.m. till 11 a.m. I was just reading and just looking at shit in books. What book? She had books or you had a book? No, I had a book. You're a fucking pussy. What kind of

pussy has books audible.com audible.com slash kfc dude i i was going through tsa speaking of books i was going through tsa recently and my bag got pulled out uh-huh and i was like i don't even know what could be in there which is always harrowing because it's like well we said this before is like you know you use you use your bag from the last trip. Yeah, but I was – I know I'm good right now, but I don't know what I was doing with that bag six months ago. And the guy pulls it out, and he's like, you got a book in here? What is this?

Fucking – Fahrenheit 451. Fahrenheit 451. I was like, yeah, there's a book in there. He's like, all right, I got to check it. He takes it out. Then he starts talking to me about the book. I was like, dude, I'm trying to catch my flight.

It's 7 a.m. I don't want to tell you what I think about this book. It was a book called The Club. It's a Premier League book. I was like, yeah, we're discussing Premier League. I was finally like, dude, I got to go. But who checks? I know I got to take my laptop i take my laptop i take my books out now too um but then then saturday i went got some you know nice drinks on the water and then went to see rocket man

look at you and sunday went to go see my dad father's day so i was very much the dadless a wrap dude it's a wrap for you man we are ships are ships in the night, bro. I drove all the way back. I mean, don't get me wrong. I blacked out both nights. Yeah, I actually, I was for sure a dad of lessons. The second night after the tubing, I had like a billion beers on the river. I got a ton of sun. They put Arrested Development on the couch, and it was kind of like the pregame. I was like, it's a wrap for me bro it's

like i'll see you guys next time like i'm going right to sleep i was probably i was probably out of commission i was probably like i sleep asleep at like 10 o'clock see i don't i don't that i don't understand what i like i i would never do that no matter i don't know how old i am i like if we were going out i'd be like i don't know i'm going out but if we're staying i'll be like okay fuck that why not i have to put on pants with buttons. Okay. Well, fuck you,

dude. I mean, I was already sufficiently drunk. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's like, you know, and they were like,

like who wants next on the table? And I was like, I'm not trying to do any activity or anything. Yeah. I might. Yeah. Maybe I, maybe I'd go that far.

Maybe I just falls. I'm not, I'm going to bed. Yeah. That was the thing. Like I was, I was on the couch watching the rest of development. I just passed out. But then what happened was it was 10 o'clock

and the previous night i slept in a chair and i was like if i go to sleep right now i'm gonna get that bed so that's what i'm doing so someone else is on the fucking chair tonight that's when that's when you know you're you're washed up like i used to roll to a bachelor weekend or a share house for the summer or a ski house and i was like i don't know just as long as there's a roof over my head you know like one time i slept underneath the dining room table i don't even need a roof to be honest right as long as the temperature is like you know livable now i get there i'm like all right my back hurts i make sure i have a pillow i need a blanket i might be cold i could give advice to people is is treat your body like shit

your whole life and then it doesn't feel bad this is what I feel like set the bar so extremely low it's like oh you have a headache no kidding like my head always hurts so does my back my stomach my neck always hurts my shoulder always hurts my neck I got a real crick in my neck right now like everything's everything always hurts

so who cares where I sleep it's called being tough sleep on a fucking cement slab is good for your back we'll get to who do we have on the show today who the interviews we had minahan john taffer in in what is a very compelling interview i think it's very interesting so john's new thing is uh marriage rescue so he takes all the knowledge of people and interactions and all that shit from the bar rescue he turns it to relationships and we got deep with it man yeah i it was funny there was there's two specific moments where john and i like lay out our opinion and john just completely

disagreed with it without like saying such you know he'd be like yeah yeah no uh blah blah it was the exact opposite of what we just said i was like oh okay so you you actually totally disagree with me on all fronts okay good but i mean obviously he did not agree that lying is necessary which i stand by i i yeah yeah john was like you have to lie in relationships john was like john taffer was like yeah absolutely no no lying though no and there was a moment where i was talking about my experience in uh marriage therapy and uh the the the doctor like wanted us to do something that i would i thought was would be universally like canned like this is crazy that a doctor would would would tell you to do this and john was like yeah no i did that with a couple i was like well fuck so very interesting stuff there um but first we'll

do uh some i did the exact opposite of that this weekend by the way well you you didn't lie you told the truth of no of pretty crazy giving your so you know to spoil it uh what what you didn't want to give up was access to your phone yeah and we were driving this weekend my girlfriend and i was it was her phone but i was running the music on her phone and she kept telling me her password to open it, to change the song. Yeah. And I was just like, no. And I don't remember it.

And I was like, nope, just stick out your hand. I'll use your thumb. I don't want to know your password. I have no desire for that. None. I don't, I don't want you to use your phone thinking I can ever get into it. Use your phone however the fuck you want to use your phone. And I don't ever want to have like the inkling.

I don't ever have it, but you know, if I know the password, maybe to use your phone. And I don't ever want to have like the inkling. I don't ever have it, but you know, if I know the password, maybe I would. Right. I don't want to know that I have access to it. Do, do your thing behind your wall.

I will do my thing behind my wall. That's it. Be adults about it. Now that was, I, when my marriage counselor was like, give her your phone records and let her track your GPS. I was like,

that has got to be the most unhealthy recommendation ever. But I don't john john tafford did it and uh but i think that that just reinforces all the bad things that led us to that point so some interesting relationship talk with a with a funny probably someone you never really thought about uh giving out marriage advice but he says it he said you know when he rescues bars a lot of them are marriage a married couple so got some experience there very interesting stuff uh first we'll do a little uh little oj and voicemail talk why not uh brought to you by ron not not the fantastic human you see ron in ethiopia yeah ethiopian wedding he dressed traditionally and everyone else just dressed in oh i don't see that no he bought a local like you

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voicemails the big news we talked about a little bit with Kirk Minahan is OJ joining Twitter. I guess this was something kind of to go back to, uh, to what I was saying about, uh, my opinion changing is like,

I feel like I was a little bit of a wet blanket with OJ joining Twitter. I feel like I was a little bit like, this is kind of fucked up guys. Like, are you really going to follow OJ? Yeah. I guess I disagree with that. I don't really like tweets when people tweet at me to just basically acknowledge, like, hey, I saw that.

Oh, you click the like button. Right, right, right. I don't typically like tweets. I don't do that in general. But I also like people like, hey, my family member passed away. It's more just like i acknowledge i saw this yeah rather than that's why i always hated the heart because it's like well i don't actually feel too much right yeah it's more i'm more just saying hey caught this but i'm not i don't actually you don't have to do with something you like

right yeah no i get that i just i i i think uh i, Twitter, the internet's a bad place. Twitter's a bad place. I don't know why it surprised me or whatever. I mean, there's got to be other murderers on Twitter, right? Oh, without a doubt. Like high-profile ones, though? Oh, I don't know. I assume people who have killed. The thing is, is Casey Anthony on Twitter?

Because I'm trying to think of the people who got away with it. Because that's the difference, is that they are free. Most of these people that you would know in these high profile cases like the bad guy is either dead or in jail or something you know i i think that maybe it speaks to how society has come to view different crimes but like i think i think uh bill cosby on twitter is much worse than OJ. Really? Why is that? I think, and this is going to start to come off as an OJ apologist, I think there's a much bigger difference between a crime that is at least somewhat a crime of passion in the heat of the moment thing versus a strategic raping of 70 plus right over the course of like

you know decades right he just kept on doing it don't get me wrong it was a really bad moment but if you really talk about like oj had a bad night i'm not defending it i'm not saying what he did was okay, but it was... Bro, the other night on his bachelor party, one of the guys threw up in the Uber. He had a bad night, okay? That's a bad night. OJ Simpson slit two people's throats

and bathed in their blood. It's a bad night. It's a real bad night. When you break it down, it's a bad night. Bill Cosby was an awful person stealing, you know, whether you want to say stealing innocence, stealing whatever from women for decades. Yeah. Like going out with like, like that's his plan. Yeah.

I don't know if OJ, when he got there, he's like, I'm going to kill all these people. He might have been like, I'm just confronting them and things got out of hand. I don't know. But I'm just saying it was a night. You think like the next morning OJ was like fuck yeah fuck why did i do that you know like i'll have those moments with something like like when you get real drunk or like i've had like drunk injuries right like i fucked up my ankle real bad one night and i was like just so mad at myself i was like i wish i could just rewind time and not be that drunk and not jump off that step because now this is a problem yeah yeah imagine if you do that with a double

murder i do it all the time when i'm angry and like you know i'll get mad i don't do it all the time anymore because i don't really get angry anymore but like when i was in college i'd get mad if i'm about this i had very thin walls i just didn't just like i'd be on the phone with anybody i just get mad i'd punch my wall i had like a hundred holes in my wall and uh every time i had so many holes it was i just stopped taking phone calls in my room because there were too many holes i had to go to the living room to punch more holes and um what and my roommate would be like what happened to this one i'm like you know talking to my mom she was just pissing me off um somebody needs to make an animation of that as well do do do that like can you just weave that into the next one

thing i learned it just has a little little animated john just pow god fucking damn it um and like every time as soon as my hand crossed through the drywall. I'd be like, son of a bitch. I was so fucking stupid. Yeah. I imagine that's what OJ thought when he looked at the bodies. Just like the ultimate, I can't undo that. Ah, they're dead. This is a mess.

Fuck. That's going to cost me some money. That's what I would think because I'd have to pay the walls fixed and I'd lose my security deposit. That's money. I lost money. What do you guys think of the conspiracy theory that his son did it? It's a very intriguing one

when you start to break down. I actually am not as fascinated with it. I kind of pretend to be because everyone is. I think it is the most interesting modern news story in the world. I've never watched the ESPN one. Really?

I don't know if I watched the whole FX one because that sucked. Yeah. I mean, I remember being at my grandpa's house watching the Knicks in the finals, watching the low-speed chase. I remember being in Mr. Green's class at Valley Forge Middle School when they rolled the TV in and we could watch the verdict. I remember all of the interviews, all of Judge Lance Ito. I loved talking to Marsha Clark.

I like talking to Marsha Clark. OJ to me is like, it's the one. Maybe I wasn't old enough to really remember it. Because one of my earliest memories is him in court. Because I was what, 94? Yeah. 94. It's 25 years to was what, 94? Yeah. 94. It's 25 years to the day right now.

Yeah, so it's like I was probably five. Yeah, so I mean I was nine, right? Sure. I was nine in 94. So like, yeah, that's a big difference. You're still like a baby versus me. I'm starting to have memories and shit I can remember. Yeah, I was in kindergarten.

I mean, it would really be, you know, if I said in my blog today, if The Rock murdered two people and then went on a high-speed chase as the Raptors were playing the Warriors, that's what happened. Could you imagine that? Like, this guy was a supreme athlete, super big movie star, very likable guy, now murdered people on the run during the finals it's just like it's hollywood turns down the script they think this is silly this is like too far-fetched and uh so to me it's like the most interesting thing ever so

i'm down to to watch it all and like see it but i you know it's just when the dad in me does think about the the goldman family being like, it's funny you mentioned getting even. Wow, this is wild. It's like, you know, this is very ominous. And like, yeah, man, that guy murdered my kids. Yeah, I can see that that definitely plays a factor. But I think you can do it with every story. Yeah, it affects somebody.

And I think we've talked about that before where, you know, just because something affects you. People always deal with me with cancer because, like, it happens. You can't joke about that because. Yeah, like, dude, like, my grandfather had cancer. Fucking so did mine. My mom had cancer. My dad had cancer. So what did mine?

Like, really? I don't know what you're going to tell me. No, and that's what I'm saying. Like, I was being a little soft about it. It's like, I'm not going to. You can't just, just like put yourself in the goldman family shoes because they're the only people in the world who had someone get murdered like that like and the brown family there's nothing like you know the rest of it being

interesting interested in it is not like a bad thing yeah entertaining or interesting like it's all everything is always going to negative effectively affect somebody right and if you let that affect your enjoyment and like you're probably there's not much you can like i agree but i just it does i think everyone just needs to acknowledge that it's at least a little bit morbidly weird yeah i think i think what everyone does it's definitely strange it's a very strange phenomenon and the fact that cosby had his tweet for father's day what is that even is it cosby in jail that's his wife His wife runs the account. Almost weirder. Yeah. Like, hey, my husband, who was like a serial rapist. Let me tweet for him.

America's dad. Yeah, the America's dad thing was weird. It's it's I think Cosby being on it is much worse than OJ. OJ was at least found innocent. Whether or not you agree with it. Like, I mean, the court of law found him innocent. I know. That's crazy.

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is a move or what move you guys go to or you have used and maybe what's the craziest to curve a girl that you really don't I guess want to kiss, make out with, whatever. Thanks guys. Have you ever used the dip to your advantage? Yeah, but

not, it's just like because I don't feel like kissing. It's not something I don't want to kiss. Someone you are okay with kissing just not at the time. Yeah, right. So it's like, I'm like, I gotta dip it. Yeah, maybe later.

Like, I'll give you a little peck and then we don't have to make out. It's just like, well, all right, that's fine. But like, and that's... There's not enough time. So like,

as someone's going in, like once they close their eyes, I gotta whip the table to my fucking quick draw mcgraw of chewing tobacco am i who am i right i can't imagine we talked about this, man. It was one of the episodes where you're out. It's just wild how accepted tobacco is. It's outrageous that you just sit here with a cup of your own spit.

And you walk around. You talk to everybody. Talk to girls. Talk to bosses. Talk to clients. I don't do it with clients. i don't do i don't do clients i don't do it in like if we're in a meeting you you you would do it to like seek geek you know like one of our whatever like our ogs yeah if i know if i if it's an early meeting no

but if it's like ian yes i'll do it if if it was rich i don't know but you know what i mean like in a vacuum that's disgusting yeah it's like yeah's like, hey, what's up, man? Like here's my cup of my disgusting spit. Yeah. Like a spittoon. Sometimes you almost knock it over and shit. It's like it could be catastrophic and you can't talk as well. I talk perfectly.

You can't even tell I have it in. You're pretty good at it. But some people, you know, especially if they're throwing a hammer in there. And it's like you look at it and sometimes it's like on your teeth and shit and it's just like you know the world like you you'll you'll you care about your hair you care about your appearance you want to look good but then also you'll just have like a lump of dirt in your mouth at the same time you spit everywhere for sure is that weird yeah yeah definitely and it's just like and for the most part i'm sure there are some girls who are like yeah that's gross or whatever but for the most part people are just

like oh yeah he dips yeah what yeah it's it's do you think that people who smoke are gross um not really because of like a tobacco kinship no no i feel like it's almost enemy lines like oh you're you're a smoker i'm smokeless yeah um no i mean i don't i don't think they're gross i probably wouldn't like date someone who did just because like their house stinks and yeah that's what i mean though like all the like breath is bad your clothes smell you're yeah that none of that's with me yeah but i mean it comes with other things i guess it's more just aesthetic it's not like yeah it's aesthetic where it's like it actually affects me where it's rather than just like ah whatever it's gross the um i also don't think i'd ever curve anybody like if someone's leaning in

for the kiss you're just just going to kiss them? I'm probably going to kiss them. I kind of agree with that. If we've gotten to that point, unless someone just literally runs up on you and tries to Bill Cosby you, otherwise if someone was putting out some sort of signal or vibe at some point where someone's leaning in for the kiss, I'll probably just kiss you and be like, okay, I got to go.

Right. Or I'll probably end up dating you. Yeah. Or we'll get married and have kids. I don't fucking know. Who knows? But the, I,

I like, I almost like the other thing where I could make this really uncomfortable. Everybody. Like, could you imagine like, like doing the head turn and just suck it up and I'll kiss you for a minute. Has that ever happened to you? I'm sure it has.

It clearly wasn't a very jarring moment. Well, I think that they are for me and I think I've like, you know, like blocked them out of my memory almost. Maybe that's what happened too. It's not a memorable moment. KFC fights super producer beef. Nah, it's not.

Question. So Michael Jordan is 56 years old right now, and you, KFC, I think you're 34. Fights are about 30. You are given $500 million if you can defeat him in a game of one-on-one. Oh, come on! And you have up until he's of the age 75. Do you ever take the bet?

Well, what's the downside? Viva. Something catastrophic on the other end of the say. Yeah, what's the downside? I mean, I'm never in a million years going to win, but if I get to play him whenever I want. You think a 75-year-old Michael Jordan, like, who could beat him? Like, how good do you think you have to be to beat a 75-year-old Michael Jordan?

I could beat him. I don't think. Well. I mean, the problem is when. Are they aging as well? Yeah, you'd be 50. I'll be 55, 54. I mean, I guess I could practice.

I guess I could just start playing basketball. Well, I guess that's, you know, that's. I'd be better at 50 than I'll be 55, 54. I guess I could practice. I'd be better at 50 than I am now. Could you continue to make money and live your life while just dedicating yourself to practicing basketball enough to beat Michael Jordan within the next 20 years? It's kind of a good...

I don't know. Michael Jordan might be so good, maybe we have to change the person, but it is a good hypothetical. I think 75. You're pretty old so old 70 50 if i started exercising like there's a very real possibility that at 50 i could be in better shape than i'm in right now definitely right so like but you gotta think michael jordan's gonna stay in like good shape i don't think so you know he doesn't he's not in great shape right now is he he's pretty big i don't know he? That's the other thing, by the way.

Okay, it's fine. Sure. Say he's not. So you're going to go play one-on-one and body up with a 6'6", upwards of high 200-pound man. You know what I mean? I probably couldn't beat that guy in the park who's like that, let alone the greatest player of all time.

The more I'm thinking through this, there's shot i think i think i think if i've worked on it i think 55 year old 50 year old we could take 75 year old michael jordan that's a great statement this show's so dumb i love it ah man like just think about it if i if i just went and worked on jump shots for two hours a day I feel like in 20 years I'd be pretty good. Yeah, but would you ever be better than Michael Jordan? He's pretty good at jump shots, dude. I mean, I think back to like... Don't you think that crafty old Michael Jordan would still be able to just wet jumpers in your face? If Mike knew this was happening, there's no shot.

If he knows now at 55 that at 75 he's going to have to play against 50-year-old John Feidelberg, he'll be better than he is right now. Right. Because he won't lose. He doesn't know about it. He doesn't keep himself in shape. So if you just caught him on a day, like, hey, roll up on your other park, 75 years old. We're playing one-on-one, and he has to agree.

And I have half a billion dollars on the line. Even then, I don't know. Mike might know. He doesn't even get anything he just knows you win something yeah that would almost yeah that would make it worse like he might like fuck around at the park for fun but as soon as he hears that there's a true competition on the line you're getting elbowed and head butted and like he's backing his ass up into you and bodying you man i think i i think back to to uh him at bahamaama Bay or whatever it is when he was on Brady's guy's bachelor party. And it was like him and Keegan Bradley and Brady all playing pickup.

And Jordan was just smoking them. And he's like 55. Those are premier athletes. Right. So, like, I don't think that's going to change much. He's yelling at kids in the crowd to fucking YouTube him. Who's that fucking youtube me like that's dude that is not changing it doesn't go away at 75 they were probably playing

for half a billion dollars yeah that was there was probably a significant amount of money on the line there i i i don't know i i just i never have myself and i just have to think that if i found out right now that in 20 years i can play michael jordan for 500 million dollars i think i think that's enough to motivate me what and what if the what if you know the other side is uh you know death would you do it would you take the chance probably you would take yeah because at that point whatever you know well i don't know 55 but dying at 55 is pretty early. 50. I was thinking about dying at, yeah, you can't die at 50. Would you really risk, you would risk,

I mean, forget about aging circumstances, you're going to risk your life on playing basketball against Michael Jordan. Even at 50, like, what does $500 million do for me?

Like, my kids get money? The fuck do I give a shit? You get to brag. Like, I want $500 million. Like, I have like,

two more years before I even care about getting rich. After that, what the fuck does it matter? How are we going to spend this money? This is money for my future kids. Fuck that, man. I'm a Warren Buffett, this shit.

Bury me with nothing. Pay for your own fucking college. Fuck you, Michael Jordan. I think final answer for me is absolutely not. I have to believe. Just because if not, I really lost all hope. I think he would body you like 11 rip. He'd be like, you wouldn't even get the ball.

Mike would beat you at rock, paper, scissors for who takes the ball first, and then you wouldn't even see it back. But I think once players get old, people who beat their body up that much, even if you stay in shape so so to speak you can't walk anymore yeah that's true you're kind of hobbled but guess what like like how old's bill russell so he hasn't been able to walk for like 10 years so but you're and you're going under the assumption that you would become like a finely tuned athlete because you knew about this and you're training for it i don't think i'd be a finely tuned athlete but i

think i'd be i'd be a better athlete than i am right now and you're but you're saying it would take like to the 20th year. Probably. It would probably be a one and done shot. I would just monitor. I'd have Google alerts on Michael Jordan's health. Oh, he's got the flu. Let's go.

Well, not the flu. Flu game. But I'd be like, oh, MJ had surgery yesterday. Game on. Get out there in a wheelchair, fucking old man. Do you think you could take him now?

No. If he was 75? Not 55? No. That would be worse. I need 20 years to get better and him to be worse, yeah. But yeah, definitely not now. Again, at 75, I feel like Michael Jordan would be able to walk.

He has a hitch in his step already. I feel like he's still just going to – he doesn't have to be able to move. How old is Bill Russell his step already. I feel like he's still just going to... He doesn't have to be able to move quick. I think Bill Russell is like 90 something. He puts jumpers in your face all day. Let me just check Bill Russell real quick. Bill Russell is also like he's like a hobbled tree.

He's like 100. Bill Russell is like a tree came to life. You know what I mean? MJ was like smooth fucking Air Jordan, you know? Bill Russell's 85. That dude has been decrepit for a long time. You'd beat up on Bill Russell?

I'd smoke Bill Russell. You would beat Bill Russell right now one-on-one? Yes. Absolutely. Crush him. Crush him. I'd probably win 21-0. 21-0. Yeah. I mean, he can't do anything. Alright. He can talk. He's funny. He's interesting. But, Yeah. I mean, he can't do anything. All right. He can talk. He's funny.

He's interesting. But, like, I mean, he can't stand up. He might just swat your shots all day, dude. But he can't stand up. He physically can't stand? No. He moves in a wheelchair. I mean, he can physically stand.

That's different. But it's not, like. If you can't stand up, I suppose, yeah, then maybe you could beat him in basketball. Otherwise, I'm pretty much always going to side with the immortal basketball players when it comes to playing basketball. That's a good one, though. Let's come up. We're going to wrap up right now.

We've got to wrap up. But what should be the other side of that hypothetical for the internet? You agree to these circumstances. You can play them. It sounds like you can play them as many times as you want, although I think your best shot would be like one and done. I think you get cancer. Cancer. That's worse than death.

Okay. Terminal cancer. Yeah. Stage like three and a half so that it takes a long time. Yeah. How about you live the Chernobyl life? Well, not the ones who are right there. No.

Not the firefighters. But like the people who are in Chernobyl who died years later. Okay. And you know it's coming and you can't stop it and it's bad it's terrible you have those bullets and you're going around so michael jordan one-on-one for 500 million dollars between now and when he's 75 or you get chernobyl's that's a fucking hypothetical let's get to this interview john taffer shut it down uh today's interview is brought to you by Scentbird. I'm wearing my Nautica blue cologne right now because that makes me feel good about myself.

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in this building it's obvious guys no you know what it was? We just responded to emails, man. Which is a hard thing to do. It's hard to respond to emails. It's hard to read emails. I don't do it with most of them. This one I feel like we kind of put a little out there. They said, you know, what do you want on the wall? What do you want on this?

And we just said this, that, and the other thing. They did a great job putting it together. I think some other people didn't. And, you know, now they're a little bit behind. But I'm sure that'll come together. I do a lot of radio studios. You know that. This is a really comfortable, really nice studio.

Yeah, and we had a few things already, but people are bringing... We had Camille come. We put her cover up, and we had this guy with the hat over there. He had a story about hiking through the Appalachians and listening to the show, so we're adding to the wall as we go.

You can watch it on Gold, barstoolgold.com slash KFC. I've got to get you guys a shut it down button. Yeah, I would love that. I was going to say, if you have anything you'd like to contribute, we'll make sure we'll feature it. Yeah, that would be awesome. John was just, well, is just freaking out about this blown call with the Bruins. Oh, yeah.

Oh, come on, guys. I went through with the Knights. Exactly. We talk about a blown fucking call. That's what I was going to say. I mean, have you gotten over it? No. Yeah.

Because we'd be in a cup right now. I mean, we would have beat the Avalanche. Yep. Right? So, I mean, don't you agree? Had that call not happened, that five-minute penalty, we would be in a cup right now. Mm-hmm. That would be brutal.

Which means your Bruins call is bullshit because they wouldn't have been there in the first place. So there we go. No, I got to tell you. How long do you think you can complain about a call? Because I'm already being told to get over it. It happened 12 hours ago. What's the statute of limitations? I think you're cool until next season, man.

If they don't win the Stanley Cup, I think you can be pissed all fucking year. He said even if they win the Cup at the parade, I will still be bitching about that call. I'm really pissed about the Knights. I haven't watched the playoffs. I haven't watched any of the Stanley Cup. So you're one of the guys, if your team's gone, you're like, I can't watch it. If we lost legitimately, I'd be okay watching it.

But we didn't, so I've just sort of written off hockey for the rest of the year. I think that's totally fair, and I think that's what the NHL should worry about with this. The officiating in this playoff has become such a joke where almost every series it feels like there's one call where it's like, are you kidding?

How can you have a brain and let this happen? Do you subscribe to the idea of people kind of, there's some arguments being made that it should all be AI now, advanced intelligence or artificial intelligence. Do you think that or do you think do you like the human element? I think the human element, but I think calls can

be reviewed more often. I think they can send the tapes up to Toronto to review them more often. We know the five-minute call with the Knights, had that been reviewed, would have been a different call. I'm guessing last night, had it been reviewed, might have been a different call. A thousand percent. But I think at a minimum we need to review it more. I like

the human call, but maybe there's an AI backup, if you will. AI is gone to as a second resort if the call is disagreed with or somebody files it. I think there's a way where you can leave it you can leave the human element in it where the AI can go, hey, I want to take a look at

that one. And then the human can look at it and go eh, it's close enough. We're going to stick with our call. Yeah, technically by a tenth of a second you could get this right, but knowing the human element. In the spirit of the rule, it's like something in baseball when you come an inch off the base or a centimeter off the base, and they're like, oh, he was off.

That's not the spirit of the rule. We're still going to leave that up to the human element. Because I think that's a huge part of sports is having the ability to bitch and moan. I completely agree. If you're like, well, statistically, that's what the robot said, so the robot's right. I think having someone be a villain is so necessary in sports, and if that has to be the ref, then so be it.

But I think that's what people talk about after the game, right? If that hadn't happened, what are we talking about today? Well, you know, the other thing is people say, what else is up? People say, well, the human element is important to the game. Fuck that. It should be accurate. You think so?

I mean, a referee's bad call shouldn't be part of the game. Well, I don't know. I think it is. I think it's part of the game. Well, if it's part of the game, then does he have the discretion to make a bad call when he wants to? No. See, that's where I get. So then, you know, betting and all these things come into factor.

That's a totally different ballgame. So, you know, we got to keep this legit. I'm actually surprised there's, you know, the Tim Donaghy and a couple points shaving scandals throughout history come to mind. But overall, it stays in check, at least that we know of. Maybe he'll do it so subtle. You know why? But I'm surprised there hasn't been more gambling. You know why it stays in check?

Because guys like us get pissed off when it's not. Yeah. But when we stop getting pissed off, that's when we lose the check. Well, I don't think that's ever going to stop either way. Don't you think if it went AI, wouldn't they open it more? Manipulation, right? Yeah. Like a hack into that and change the…

Hacking it, sure. Computer programs. I'm a founder of a social media company. I know about tech. I'll put $200,000 on the Brewers today. I'll hack it. I'll change the – Yeah.

I think that makes it much easier for – whereas you have one person who you can be like, that's singularly responsible. You got caught point shaving. Whereas in sport, you can be like – You can't fire a computer. You can't fire a computer. And is how you're going to act. And a computer doesn't have integrity. Right. It does whatever you tell it to do.

Right. Exactly. Whereas at least the ref would say, no, I'm not doing that. In theory, right, for the payoff. As a bar owner, what is more profitable, a hometown win and people are celebrating buying drinks, hometown loss and your drowning sorrows? On a hometown win for sure. Yeah. Just the whole celebration of a win causes people are celebrating buying drinks. Hometown loss and you're drowning sorrows. Oh, no.

Hometown win for sure. Just the whole celebration of a win causes people to drink more, stay long. You know, bars are best in that party environment. I don't know, man. I've done a lot of losing in my life, and I've done a lot of drinking in my life. I got you. I mean, the first thing I do is like, oh, there's the walk-off home run against my team. Like, another one with a bartender.

So I feel like you can go, you know, you can drink for happiness and drink for sorrows. The sales are higher in a win, for sure. I was in Boston last night and it was easy to get into a bar. There were not many people. You just go home and want to kill yourself. I went out for one drink afterwards. I went to meet a friend. Even when you win, it's totally different.

Don't you also think they've spread it out too much? I'm genuinely telling you. Don't you think they've spread it out too much, guys? It's the middle of June. Yeah. You know, we're still playing the Stanley Cup. It's months in the postseason. It's days between each game.

You know, they're sort of spreading it too much, I think, and it's losing some of its energy. The NBA always was that way. I feel like the NHL used to be great. I actually went back and looked at it. The Bruins in 2011 won the Stanley Cup. They played the Vancouver Canucks. It was, and I believe still, the longest distance traveled

between teams in a championship series. And there was one day, one double day off in that whole series. Seven games it was either, you know, you're in Vancouver, you travel back to Boston, you play the next night. Back to Vancouver, you play the next night. Whereas in this one, we've gone two games in a week. Well, that's all TV, right? That's all ratings and scheduling.

But how did they get into a momentum that way, too, and get into a groove? So I'm not sure that's even good for the athletes. Give me a day's rest. Let me go back to work. Yeah, I mean, I know the NBA loves their Sunday night games. So if it should be a Saturday, they're like, fuck it, we'll just do Sunday night.

Because I feel like they're all about the ratings now. See, I think the NHL is avoiding the NBA. Yeah, trying to do the opposite. Which is not a good idea if you're just talking about growing business and money. I guess if you're not a casual fan. I feel like the demographics of NBA and NHL fans are so different. Completely. I can't imagine you're picking up too many viewers by just not playing the night the NBA is playing.

Right. Yeah, yeah. You might as well just do whatever you're doing. Mark Cuban said the other day about the NBA. He says that even if games are 11 o'clock at night, he feels people will come no matter what time the game is. And the NBA is a juggernaut, man. I wouldn't doubt them either.

It's a strong state. I'm not sure I fully buy into that. Maybe that's a little bit of extreme. People still have work. People still have stuff to do. I think larger than that, an 11 o'clock game is you're risking losing the next generation of fans. Kids can't stay up until 11 o'clock game is you're risking losing the next generation of fans. Kids can't stay up until 11 o'clock.

I agree. Right? I agree. But also globally, you've got people who are like, that's, I don't know, noon over. I just don't think you grow a sport out of prime time. What do you think? Speaking of Cuban, what do you think about the debate, I guess, that's been raised with the NBA with calling them owners, calling the owners owners? They're owners.

Right? I mean. That's what they are. You can apply a racial spin zone to any of it. It's like the word is the word. They own the team and they're paying people. An inherent part of slavery here is that you didn't pay them.

It's such a leap. I wonder what the alternative is. What are the names that they want to call him? That's a good question. What would they come up with? What is the alternative? He's the managing partner. He's still a freaking owner.

Controlling interest throughout the team. What other word would they have to come up with that's still going to say owner? He purchased the team, therefore he owns the team. Correct. That's an owner. That's what it is.

People just need to use their brains. They do. Speaking of brains, Big Brain is out right now, episode three. It's everything that's good that people loved about Shark Tank plus everything that it was lacking. Everything they couldn't say on network TV and the attitude they couldn't bring, it is electric, man. That was fun to do. Of course, because that's just kind of what you made your career off of, but

man, you can bring it. Did you see the Lumens guy this week in a Lumens episode? The guy brings a movie screen that doesn't reflect. That was unbelievable. It doesn't matter how convenient it is. It doesn't freaking reflect. And you had to buy the projector on top of it. Oh, yeah, it was just ridiculous.

Now, the one I really want to talk about, which will be out by the time this airs, is our guy Frank Tank. Oh, yeah. And the Sports Encyclopedia. Yes. Sports Encyclopedia, yes, for... Now, I don't know what's happened in this episode, but so we can't... You can explain to us, because by the time... It will be out when this comes out.

So, as I understand it, he asked for $100,000 to revamp the website. And he wasn't quite sure what it would cost to revamp the website, what money he would need, how he would use the money. He just sort of plucked that number out of the sky. Were you aware of who he was? I was aware that he was sort of part of the family. Sure, and I knew that. So I was a little nicer to him than I might be, which was hard. He was a complete mess. He didn't know what he wanted the money for.

He wasn't sure that was the right amount of money. He wasn't sure where he was going to take the website. But his premise is a passion, and I respected his passion for this and all the work that he put into it. So you don't want to look at him and say, you know, you're completely fucking this up. But he was completely fucking this up. What would you say?

I don't know how much background you even remember. He had a blog since 2001, which might have been like the first blog ever. And up until 2017, I guess it is now, he was just doing it as a hobby. I mean, that level of commitment is basically unprecedented. And the amount of data that he put in this site, it's incredible. He's a robot. Speaking about artificial intelligence, he's a fucking robot. But that was the whole point is that's an asset. That's a

cool asset. Yeah. But you gotta have, it's no different than Barstool Sports. It's a great asset, but if nobody can find it, and you don't know it's there, it doesn't matter. Right. And none of his dollars was to help him be noticed. Right. It was to build a site that nobody will know is there when he's done anyway. So I don't want to destroy what happens in it, but I felt bad for him.

The $100,000 number is just, I couldn't have, I don't know what he was going to say, but when he says $100,000, it was like, Frank. But there's one coming up, the pube one. Yeah. Yes, that one's out now. That was, jeez, man. So what is it? He'll send pubes like as a gag? It's almost sort of as a fuck you. Yeah. Sort of that one's out now. Jeez, man. So what is it he'll send pubes like as a gag?

It's almost sort of as a fuck you. Yeah, sort of as a fuck you. Where does he acquire all these pubes? They weren't. They were nylon pubes. Oh. They were actual pubes. Artificial pubes.

Okay. So he's just selling fake hair, really. Yeah. And it went in a little envelope and it had a letter in it, something like, you know, you got me by the short hairs envelope and it had a letter in it something like you know uh you got me by the short hairs or whatever the hell it said in it and he challenged you to rough and rowdy right yeah yeah are you gonna take him up no no could you take him of course i could you're a big guy open my mouth and take him down i feel like you could hold your own in a ring or

in a bar fight of my own a bar fight fight, the bar fight, like, world. Like, the type of guy who's going to – how do you even, like, prevent against that? Because, I mean, bars are inherently, like, morons coming to get drunk, right? But there's typically always a woman in a bar fight. Is that really the basis? Really? That high? You know what, though, Tapper?

You could say any number. We were going to believe it, right? Yeah. You never fucking know, Tapper. A vast majority of bar fights is a woman involved. You know, somebody comes up to the girl you're with, something like that happens. But, you know, most bar fights start with an argument and then a loud argument and then a fight. So you got to catch it in the argument stage.

Right. You know, so when a fight starts, you know, I'll always be angry at my security guys because they should have seen it before it happened. Right. Right. The look on your face, your neck tightens up. I mean, you just don't start swinging that out of nowhere, of course. Yeah, interesting. You're now

taking the rescue mentality business and applying it to the love life. Marriage rescue. Marriage rescue is next. So now you're... What's that? So now you're going kind of Dr. Phil, Dr. Ruth, kind of what? Bouncer?

A little more aggressive, I think. I was going to say, how does that work? Because I think about it in marriage counseling. I feel like I've never been in it. I've never been married. I feel like the calm voice is necessary. And, John, I love you. I don't know if you got the calm voice.

I do on this show at times. Oh, you do? Absolutely. Okay. What happens? I have two couples if you got the convoy. I do on this show at times. Oh, you do? Absolutely. Okay. What happens, I have two couples a week for four days each. Now, therapists are into process. They need you to come back next week and the week after. So they're not going to offend you very much because they want the next check.

I only got you for four days. There is no next week with me. So it's much more aggressive. And I take them to Puerto Rico. They're in a five-star resort. I put them in separate hotel rooms, no makeup sex. Right? I have a PA.

No hate sex, which is even more. I have a PA outside the room so that they can't get into each other's room. And then we go at them. It's pretty damn intense, guys. I mean, you obviously have your own experience. But there's a difference between, like, I've been in relationships, I've been married, I am married, and I am qualified to tell you how to do it sort of thing. So what makes you qualified to do it? It's interesting that you say that because in Bar Rescue, here's the way it happened.

The network calls me up and says, John, you've done 200 Bar Rescues. About 30 of them are with couples. Every one of those couples' relationships you fixed. Wow. Because they were fighting with each other in a bar. I couldn't fix the business if I didn't fix them. 30 of them are with couples. Every one of those couples' relationships you fixed. Oh, wow. Because they were fighting with each other in a bar. I couldn't fix the business if I didn't fix them. So you fixed them, yeah. So you've probably seen some of those episodes.

So I went up against the couples, fixed that, then fixed the bar. So the network says to me, John, let's do a show about this marriage rescue. The couples didn't know it was me. All they knew is you're going to Puerto Rico to work with someone who's not a therapist for four days. So when they walked in and saw it was me, they sort of freaked. Holy shit, yeah. Because they knew shit was getting real now. As a matter of fact, that's what one of them said.

But it was really aggressive. Now, but also, I mean, if you sign up, you know you're signing up. Do they know it's a TV show? Of course. Okay, yeah. So if you're signing up for a TV show and you know it's a – it's still a different type of couple that you're trying to fix. Well, they're desperate. It's no different than a bar owner and bar rescue guys. They're going down.

This is their last chance. So even at the risk of being embarrassed on national TV, it's better than the alternative. And with these couples, it's the same thing. They've been to a therapist. It didn't work. They're going down. They have kids. They have alternative. And with these couples, it's the same thing. They've been to a therapist. It didn't work. They're going down. They have kids. They have families. And this is heavy duty. And this is sort of their Hail Mary. Marriage counseling is the fucking worst, man.

I hope you do it completely different from them. Because marriage counseling is the worst! Part of it, when I was doing it, it was so bad that it was like, as much as I was trying to fix things, it by itself was so bad. I was like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to do this.

You're ready to rip your eyes out. Yeah, and it's not because of – it's not even the relationship right now. I just don't like you. I don't like this. I don't like the whole layout of it. So it's like now I'm fighting two different fights. And how is that going to make this better? It didn't.

It didn't. So what I did is I read a bunch of books on marriage counseling, and I saw that, and that marriage therapists are into process. I'm into results. I'll cut the process for the results. Let's get to where you guys are happy to go. They won't. They're just committed to the freaking – and then it doesn't happen as quick as you want it to. You get frustrated by it.

You don't like them. You spend too much time with them. So every one of these couples failed in therapy. So when they saw me, it was almost refreshing. And each couple said, wow, you've helped a lot of people. Okay. Right. And, you know, one of my concerns was how are they going to react to me?

What if they said to me, you know, why do you do this? But they didn't. Every one of them bought into the fact that I could help them. Well, I think you want to buy. You know, if you're there and you're trying, you want the person, a therapist, or you to fix it. So you kind of buy into it. They did. It was pretty intense.

I had bought into my, my, my, our marriage marriage therapist said you need to give all your phone records over and turn your gps on so she can track you everywhere you go i was like dude i don't i don't think that's right i don't i don't think that's very healthy at all and then it's like once i once you lose like trust in that i was like i don't i'm not gonna buy into any of this at all so where do you have like any uh so let me ask you a question. Yeah. Would you rather lose your wife or let her track you? Well, there was... I think I'd rather lose my wife.

Honestly, it was such a... To me, it was... It's easy for me to say as someone who doesn't have one. There's a scene in last week's Marriage Rescue where I did just that. The guy cheated on his wife. See, I think that's bad advice. Let me finish. Guy cheated on his wife.

She's convinced that he's texting with other girls. He won't come clean with her. Their marriage is going to end. The only way that their marriage doesn't end is if he opens up and comes clean. So I ask him a simple question. Are you prepared to do anything to save your marriage? He says yes. I said, okay, then give her your telephone password.

He could have said no. He could have said yes. He chose to say yes. I said, okay, then give her your telephone password. He could have said no. He could have said yes. He chose to say yes. When he gave her his telephone passcode, it changed her world. The fact that he was willing to do it at all made a powerful statement to her. That he cared enough

about her to make the... Now, there are other factors maybe in your marriage that play a part. To me, it was like that was almost the crux of the issue. It was like maybe him turning it over meant the world to her, whereas me, it was like her asking that was like – and I know obviously based on my circumstances, there was reasons why. But it was like almost just reinforcing that there is no trust and that there is a power dynamic going on here. So maybe in certain circumstances it works. I would argue with you. Yeah. I would have convinced you of the fact that if you have nothing to lose, then give it a try. Because right now you're going to fail.

I would be interested to see where that couple ends up long term, though. Well, so far they're doing great. But you know, it's interesting how we all look at these kinds of things. And that's what's powerful about a relationship. At that moment, there was something in you that allowed you not to agree to that. And it's what's powerful about a relationship. At that moment, there was something in you that allowed you not to agree to that. And it's other factors. It wasn't just that. Right, right, right. So you've got to look at the whole picture, of course.

Now, to them, this was the sole thing. And if he was willing to make that sacrifice, that was his call. You made the call that was right for you. He made the call that was right for him. Who knows? I think having that password makes the ability to lie impossible. And I think lying is incredibly important. I think lies, and not major lies, but I think lying is –

I tell a story a lot where I accidentally gave an ex-girlfriend of mine my location. We accidentally shared our locations. I never looked at hers. I don't think she ever looked at mine either, to be honest. But just knowing that she had it meant like, I can't lie to her. You know, like I have to. There was one morning specifically where I was hungover. I'd gone out the night before.

And she was like, I have to go to my parents' house. Will you come with me? And I wanted to say, I can't. I'm at work. Just a simple lie because I was just tired. I just wanted to be on the couch. I knew she knew where I was. So I had to be like, okay.

So then I went and I was just miserable. I had a terrible time. It would have been easy just to say like, look. So then I went, and I was just miserable. I had a terrible time. It would have been easy just to say, like, look. Because if you're saying I don't want to go hang out with your parents, it would have been a fight. So it would have been very easy to just have the ability to lie and say, look, I'm at work right now. I'm doing a podcast in a studio.

You need the excuse app. Exactly. You know what the excuse app is? It has the sound effects. So you push one button, this typewriter is going in the background. There it is. The phone's ringing. Oh, I'm at the office. There's another one. going in the background. There's phones ringing. Oh, I'm at the office.

There's another one. You push the button, it's sirens. Oh, I'm stuck behind a car accident. There's another one, all these different sounds. And the greatest one of all is the static. Hello, hello, hello. It's the excuse app. It's great.

That is unbelievable. I have a question for you. You know what's interesting? A moment of truth. My wife has had my phone password and computer passwords for maybe 15 years. Yeah, you told us this prior interview. And I've had hers. And it isn't about trust.

It's that she can get into my stuff if I need her to. Right. I can get into her stuff if I need her to. Do you ever feel the need to? I'm sure you don't. I've never checked her stuff any time ever. I don't think I ever would. I feel like that's a very –'ve never checked her stuff any time ever. I don't think I ever would.

I feel like that's a very... I think female snooping is a thing. And I think guys don't as much. It's a different thing. Exactly right. My wife loves to organize my briefcase. But it's not a thing of lack of trust. They have a comfort in knowing. And sometimes as guys, you just gotta accept it.

See, I put the onus on them. I think you have to accept, and I'm very good at it, accepting things that, look, I don't need to know that. It's okay. Don't tell me that. I don't care. It's not, I'm very much a need-to-know basis kind of guy. But we're guys. I'm like, I don't need to know that.

They're girls. They need to know. Right. But someone's got to give in, right? But why isn't it them giving in to our side? Well, I think that they give in in other ways. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

We each have things that we'll sacrifice. We each have things that we won't. Yeah. I could use you in my life, Jon Taffer. You know, your girlfriend says that she's going out. I'm going out with the girls tonight. Cool. Yeah.

See you later. I'm going out with the guys tonight. Where are you going? Who are you going with? Yeah. And actually, this will maybe tie into the bar life as well. I mean, if I hear that it's a girls' night out, I'm like, great. That means I got a guys' night in, you know?

Right. But I feel like women, at least stereotypically, generalizing here, if you're out and having fun without them, with the guys, with the girls, with coworkers, whatever it is, it's a thing, right? It's a problem. So I don't know what – Not with me, though. What? Not with me. I think it's just a, right? It's a problem. So I don't know what – Not with me, though. What?

Not with me. I think it's just a general feeling of trust. And that's hard to get. And once you have it, it's amazing. So why can't you just look at your girlfriend and say, you know, I love you, but I don't want to go to your fucking parents' house tonight? Why can't you just say that? We're pussies.

But that's the whole point. No, you know what? I am always path of least resistance. So it's like I will save – if I can save a fight today for tomorrow, I'll do it. And that was actually the problem where I got to where it actually snowballs and then you have the biggest fight of all or the biggest problem of all because I've been doing the bullshit I didn't want to do forever because I couldn't just speak up and say, I don't like this. It's interesting. My next book idea is using conflict for personal good. Using conflict for personal good.

You see, we avoid conflict. Yeah, I avoid conflict at all costs. Which means you're not sticking up for yourself. God damn right. In those moments when you say, I can stick up for myself, or I cannot stick up for myself, you don't. Yeah, I never do. So by avoiding confrontation, you throw away what's important to you.

That's actually deep when you think about it. Yeah, big time. So had you looked at it and said, you know what? I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not going to your fucking parents' house. I'd rather watch the game. I love you. One thing has nothing to do with another.

You know, one or two times she'll get used to it. And she'll appreciate that. But we wimp out. Big time. Absolutely. It's all about being whipped. But I'm quick to do conflicts. It doesn't bother me.

I'm very comfortable in conflict. It's a tool for me. I neglect them. I refuse to have them. I don't do it. You doesn't bother me. I'm very comfortable in conflict. It's a tool for me. I neglect them. I refuse to have them. I don't do it. Yeah. You're right, though. It is.

But you're going to throw away things that are important to you because you don't want conflict. But what if the most important thing to me is non-conflict? Ooh. Fuck you, John Taffer. What do you got for that? Then you're going to compromise in everything that's important to you. And there's times when you're going to go home and you're going to say to yourself,

fuck, I wish I would have done that. Yeah. I want to do that every single night. So, you know, you're ripping – I think you rip yourself off that way. And you don't want to conflict about everything. I'm not suggesting that. But something that's important to you, absolutely you should hold your ground. Yeah.

And they should respect that. Yeah, because when you don't, it creates a – it establishes a precedent where it's like, well, now you're going to have to go to the parents' house every single time. And then she knows you're not going to have conflict with her, so she manipulates the shit out of you because you're not sticking up for yourself. And then it turns so bad that you get fucking divorced because you can't reverse it. Had you stuck up for yourself along the way, maybe it would be different. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying maybe it would be different. You are, brother.

Yeah. It would have been interesting to at least see where it would have stuck up. It would have been a different precedent. Yes. The relationship would have had a different dynamic to it. Did you ever think you'd be doing this? Never. When you're sitting around talking about how far the chair needs to be from the bar and

this and that, and now you're talking this shit? No, I've gotten good at it, too. Yeah. But that's funny because I think it all is more like if you have confidence and if you have, I don't know, maybe analytical thinking or a couple other traits you can apply it to bars, to TV, to you know to now marriage when you're doing the marriage counseling do you find it difficult

or do you even attempt to remain partial impartial? I have to be I also have to believe that they can get back together again but I mean like are there ever times when you're like you're wrong you're the problem oh you'll see it in marriage rescue there was one couple I said you're the problem. You're being a fucking asshole. Oh, you'll see it in Marriage Rescue.

There was one couple I said, you're the worst wife I've ever seen. Right. Okay. I mean, maybe you're just a terrible wife. Well, you know, that's so important. But then five minutes later, he was the villain and she was good. So, you know, there is not necessarily a villain all the way through. No, I mean, a relationship is two people. Absolutely.

So, like, there's, you know, unless there's an extreme, extreme case, there's a reason why everyone behaves a certain way. But I mean when I – so again to go back to my own situation, it was – and I don't know if gender matters, but she was a female doctor and it was just like so heavily skewed or at least maybe I felt that way. Whatever it was, I felt like the deck was stacked against me and I met with – well, another guy I had on the show before and I mentioned I was in counseling and he was like, is it a female doctor? And I was in counseling, and he was like, is it a female doctor? And I said, yeah, and he was like, yeah, you're fucked. And whether or not that's true, and I'm sure there's plenty of female doctors that are good, when you go in with that feeling, or you start to feel that way,

I mean, it's over. Because then I'm on the defensive, I was like, it's two on one, you guys want me to be wrong, and all that. So I think impartiality, or at least trying to make the people feel that way, is the only way to do it. The other thing about it is, look, I know you pretty well, Kev.

You're a good guy. Thanks, man. The fact that your marriage wasn't successful doesn't mean you're not a good guy. So you've got to remember, and I have to do when I'm with these couples, these are good people. They're not bad people. They're just in a bad place. Right. So you've got to separate that.

There's not a devil in this per se. You're just trying to get through your own life. Right, right, right. It doesn't make you a bad guy it's also it's one of those things where you know if you haven't gone through a divorce or even a bad relationship or something you can't you're never gonna understand it right and so that's when you judge or whatever you think people are bad and then you go through yourself and you're kind of like oh shit like you know i'm just trying to survive here exactly right you know but you also don't want to do that to the point that you're enabling i don't know know. It's a whole fucking mess.

It's not easy, man. It's not easy to be John Topper in your life. That's why sometimes that person to navigate through it is good. And that's why I think Marriage Rescue is successful because there was no therapy. There was no process. Right. It was direct. Yeah.

Tell me how you feel. Let's fix this. Let's fucking figure it out. Absolutely. And I think that the couple sort of welcomed that. Was there ever a point? Was there ever one of them where you said, look, this doesn't work? No, but there was one

couple who said, fuck you, and left. Really? Oh yeah, there was one couple who said, that's it, we're out of here. And they just went left and got on a plane. Maybe they got, maybe the common, yeah, like the common hate, they can go home and be like, man, fuck that John Taffer. Let's have some sex. I hope so. I hope so. It's a nice way

to end the story, Kev. It's like 1980, Herb Brooks. Him and his, he told his assistant coach, he's like, look, I'm going to be the asshole, and then you're going to be the nice guy, and they're going to love you, and the team is going to be galvanized by their hatred for me. You've got to be that. Yeah, I think that's true.

But you don't want galvanizing the hatred in the family. But I think what John says... It doesn't mean he's a bad guy either because everybody hates him is the point. I think you should think about the idea though. I mean I know you say you got to go into it thinking and hoping everybody figures it out. But I do think there's probably times where the best move – Is to separate. Is to separate.

Yeah. To that point, some of them come. They're separated. But they're in like this maybe mode, Kev, which sucks. Yeah. Should I commit to the marriage? Should I get divorced? I'm fucking stuck.

And there's nothing worse in life than a maybe. Right. If you turn a maybe to a no, you move on. Right, exactly. But as long as it's a maybe, you're freaking stuck in anything in life. Maybes are the worst thing in the world. Right. Especially with a relationship, there's stigma or you feel like you're a failure.

So make a choice. You know, either say yes and commit to it. Right. You know, and do the stuff you need to to make it successful or walk the fuck away. Shit or get off the pot, man. But a lot of them were in that maybe mode, and it was my job to move them out of that place. Interesting stuff, man. Yeah, really. It's fascinating. I could keep going.

I could ask you a million questions. Humanity is fascinating. When you look at even shows like Bar Rescue, I think the reason why we're interested in those things is we get to see humanity in its extreme. You see people in situations you don't want to be in, right? But how do they act in that extreme situation? And it's fascinating to us when we see humans in extreme situations, whether it's love, hate, fight, business losses. It's fascinating to see how people react to these extreme situations. I'd say no more extreme than deep, fucked-up love.

Right? Because it rips you shreds. Yeah. I'll give you one more question. I'm sure you could talk about it for hours. But humanity-wise, where we are as a 2019 with technology, with socialization, everything, the idea of monogamy do do you think, is changing?

There's a lot of temptation out there today. But you know what happens in a marriage is there are things you have to get in a marriage, right? Love, connection, significance, all this stuff. If you don't get it in a marriage, human nature is you need love. You need intimacy. You need respect. You need to be significant in life. If you don't get that in your marriage, you're going to step out of your marriage to get it. In that moment,

you're fighting with your own integrity and your own needs. And that's a conflict. The integrity says, don't step out of my marriage. But your needs say do. Over time, the needs win. And that's what happens in a marriage so cheating isn't a cause it's an effect right if you got what you needed in the marriage you wouldn't step out of the marriage so you know that's what and most things in a relationship are the consequence the cause is what happened within that marriage so when you think about those kinds of things the trick is to you know give yourself a reason to stay in it. Right.

Because you will step out of it if you don't have a reason to stay in it. Human nature is what it is, Kev. I believe that the cheating is often a result of breach of contract. Where we had a contract and we said our vows and we promised to remain faithful as one of them. But there were a lot of things before that. And you violated seven of these. Therefore, I'm out of my contract. Or violated is a strong word.

But, you know, in one way or another, you let me down. That's correct. And, you know, I didn't expect this when I married you. I didn't think this would happen. Now it happened. I have needs. And I'm not saying all sexual. You know, there's a lot of needs that we have as people.

And, you know, you're not going to live your life without those things. So you're almost forced to live your life without those things. So you're almost forced to seek it out someplace else. And sometimes the spouse just doesn't get that. Do you believe in the idea of a one soul, one true love? I think it's – I think it – I do personally because I found the right one. So my wife is my best friend. So for me that works. But I understand today, look, there's a my best friend. For me, that works.

But I understand today, look, there's a lot of things out there today in social media. There's a lot of options. There's a lot of people. I think that monogamy is threatened by society today for sure. I think the idea of one true love, I think that poisons monogamy. Because then you get lazy and you're like, this was the world putting us together.

This was God. This was together. This was God. This was spiritual. This was an instant connection. And I think that means you rest on your laurels and you're like, look, the universe made this work. They're going to make it work in the future now too. And that's not how a relationship works. You have to work on it. Work at it. It's not the universe.

But I think one true love makes people think that. The universe will take care of it. It's like a fantasy land. Exactly. And you see that when young people get married. Oh, it's going to be all one, but it's not all freaking one. Right. The universe will take care of it. It's like a fantasy land. Exactly. And you see that when young people get married. Oh, it's going to be all, but it's not all freaking work. Right. You have to keep working on it.

And even money. But if you think it was the universe that put you there, you don't think, you don't have to. It's freaking hard. It takes away the responsibility. Yeah, the universe. Hands up. Yeah. And then money.

Over half divorces are because of money. There's a lot of factors, yeah, that play a part to it. When you think about it, the same thing I've learned in doing Bar Rescue and Marriage Rescue, you'll find this interesting, is in business, if you and I were partners, it's still significance, connection. Same thing. It's the same six freaking things. If you look at customers, we've got to have relationship. Employees, they've got to feel significant. They've got to have it.

So there's no difference between a business and a marriage. So there's a lot of personal things in a business, but there's a lot of business things in a marriage. So I don't find the two that different. Just a little bit of sex. And that never complicates anything. But that line is really fuzzy. No question about it. Very interesting stuff, John Taffer.

You are a man of many talents and a lot of wisdom. You guys too. It's always great to see you guys. Check out Marriage Rescue, and you can see him on Big Brain. You got the podcast. And on Bar Rescue. Overachiever. Jesus Christ.

You're one of us, buddy. You're one of us.