KFC Radio - Logan Paul, Kathy Griffin, and Summer is Canceled

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

Logan Paul comes by Barstool HQ to talk about the Challenger Games, how Ochocinco doesn't stand a chance against him, his boxing career, his brother Jake Paul's engagement to Tana Mongeau and their alleged pregnancy, aliens, what happens when you die, and how he got pink eye. Kathy Griffin also stops by to discuss her new movie, Hell of A Story, her famous picture with Donald Trump's severed head, and whether she thinks the President has treated her fairly. Summer gets canceled. The guy who called out Dina Hashem sucks. Voicemails: one haircut for life, swapping babies, switch lives with a guest.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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I said, do you think you're so is Howard Stern? Which I think is a little bit much, by the way. I don't think it's a little bit much by the way i don't i don't think it's that much i think he's kind of i think it's uh it's not much in terms of popularity and reputation i think i shouldn't say this because i haven't consumed all of logan's stuff but i think howard stern is regarded as like a supremely talented interviewer and radio host and maybe it's just a different type of skill different type of talent yeah um but i don't know i i think he is put him on that level yet i think he's he's the one i i think at least when i think of youtube the first people who like made vlogs and stuff big it's them that's that's the paul

and it's the next form it's the next yeah of that kind of radio i i think that so we have logan in the beginning and we have uh kathy gr Kathy Griffin on the show as well, who is an accomplished comedian and actress but most recently known for all her political drama with Donald Trump. This is a very controversial episode. But I would say this. I would say that I think some of the controversy is confirmed and some of the controversy is dispelled. Yeah, I think that's fair. And I'll leave it up to you to decide who and what and if you agree with me.

But we're going to lead off with Logan Paul. I would say someone comes off looking... Better than the other one. Pretty good. Someone comes off with... So we'll lead off with Logan. He is, I mean, the dude has energy through the fucking roof

and i can see where you know it might rub some people the wrong way when you have energy and charisma and like attitude um but we we sat that for a while right i feel like it was like like 45 minutes yeah so enough time for you to really gather you know your own opinion on logan i'm not going to sway you one way or the other. So whether or not you're coming in with a preconceived notion or whether you don't know anything about him, just know that he's a very successful and wealthy YouTuber, and I'll leave it up to you.

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Let's talk to him. Let's go. We'll do it live. Logan Paul, KFC Radio. You're bringing the energy, man. I'll try, dude. I'll try my best. I got fucking pink eye I see that You can't even see it

I see that You can tell I thought you were fucking high No really In one eye In one eye I'm just stoned over here You're fixing that way

So I can only see that eye I was like oh you're fucking high We dapped it up And I was like I'm gonna get pink eye I know I've touched so many hands today I feel so bad

You're just gonna spread it through this You can really see it Cause I'm kind of squinting at you with one eye. That left eye, right? Fuck. It's not that bad. But it doesn't, if you didn't tell me it was pink eye, I would maybe have been like, maybe he's just high on one eye.

I'm going to be honest with you. That might be the case. I don't know if it's pink eye. I'm assuming. I think, I don't know, dude. If you're making assumptions about pink eye, like how you go about getting that? Well, here's how it happened. And then here's how I presume it happened. I did right dude i did i took some edibles the other day and then the next day

you know edibles bleed into the next day you know they fuck you for like two days and the next day my eyes felt like they were dehydrated and just dry and i was squinting the whole day and then i got pink eye so i think the edibles gave me pink eye or you were doing some butt stuff after you had the edibles you know that's usually i hate that pink you get pink eye. Or you were doing some butt stuff after you had the edibles. You know? I hate that you get pink eye from fucking poop in the eyes. It's pretty bleak. I think it happened because my dogs eat poop and then they lick my face.

Let's roll with that. You guys eat dogs? If you got a dog, you got a shit dog. Not all dogs eat shit. A lot of dogs eat shit. I actually didn't know that was a common thing. I have one friend who, like, after their dog poops, they have to bring it in the house quick and go get it.

Because, like, it doesn't eat poop on circumstance. It's like a lobster. It's like, fuck that. Wow. It's like the bottom of the barrel type dog just trying to get those nutrients. No nutrients go uneaten. Nothing to waste, baby. Nothing to waste.

Incredible. But whatever, dude. Like's amazing. Nothing to waste. Incredible. Whatever, dude. You just roll with the pink eye. I feel like the beauty of you is you could be like, yo, I got pink eye. And people would be like, that's so fucking crazy. Logan Paul's got pink eye. But it's gross, dude. I hate that I opened with that.

It's disgusting. But I think it's better to get on the table. True. And we can just deal with it. We can move on. Would you have brought it up if I didn't? Would you have brought it up? It's not that noticeable.

If I thought that on camera, the people would have been like, he's got pink eye and you're not bringing it up, I would have brought it up. But I think we could have got away with it. But I commend you for just owning up to it. Thanks, man. Hey, so great to be here in New York. What's going on, boys? This is what we do here, man.

We were just saying. Just shoot the shit and shit. We're kind of a glass half full type of guy. That's not what you said, man. No. What did I say? Oh, half empty. Half empty. Yeah, we're the total polar opposite of that. That's not what you said, man. No. What did I say? Half empty.

Yeah, we're the total polar opposite of that. And I feel like you are the opposite of us. I am. You're the opposite of us in energy and happiness and fucking. I asked you how you guys were doing when the podcast was off and you're like, man, not so good. Like, why not? Like, what was that bad? Just our general demeanor, man. Why?

Why is it like that? Why are you the way you are? You got to remember, like, you're 24, right you are you gotta remember like you're 24 right that's right you're fucking rich and famous and good books and shit

but we're not dude let me get some money you were always giving away money yo wait hold up we'll go viral right now if you give me 100 grand wait hold up we'll go viral

you'll make 100 grand back with the AdSense yeah if I give these boys 100k right now dog I don't have 100 for the first time ever nope listen my expenses have exceeded my income my financial manager told me two days ago i know how that goes and he goes and so we talked about the whole like the budget

and everything i go what's the budget and then okay so check it out though you just asked me for money yeah bro for the first time ever one of my family members asked me for money. Like in a serious situation. Like a, yo, I'm going to get evicted and my car is going to be taken away. How close of family are we talking? My first cousin. He grew up with me. He lived in my house. Second, you can be like, get the fuck out of here.

First, you're on the fence. I don't know. Every family is different. He looks like you, bro. He looks like me? Exactly like you. So just give him the money instead. Oh, shit. It will be the same. Fuck your cousin, man. Hey looks like me? Exactly like you. So just give him the money instead. Oh, shit.

It will be the same. Hey, do we have the same color beard? I don't even think I have a beard. I don't count as a beard. I just have like shit on my face. You have shit on my face. Patch of fur on the head. Now you got a little.

So wait, did you give him the money or what? And how much? I guess it depends on how close the family member is and how much they're asking. I actually didn't get around to ask him how much he needed. Maybe that's important. I told him, I said, I said, listen, Alex. That's super important. Alex, bro, I'm so sorry if you're listening to this.

I said, Alex, if I gave you the money, I would be enabling you. And he goes, what do you mean? I'm like, bro. He goes, I work 150 hours a week, he said. I'm a liar. I go, I say, guy, there's not. What are your expenses? Why can 99% of the world live on 150

hours a week? And by the way, who's working that much? Alex, if you're listening, you're a fucking liar. Or you need a new fucking job, man. I'm like, yo, sell the car, take the bus, stop buying alcohol, eat hamburger helper for the next month. I'm giving you options.

When I was growing up, I was roughingoughing it i was brown bagging that shit oh wow that's you know that's like that's a story you can tell one day that's a story you can tell one day i used to bring my lunch to school they're really gonna take sympathy on you i was brown bagging it for reals though yeah no i feel like if you didn't brown bag it you were the weirdo in school no you're saying you got shamed for brown bagging at school also the kids yo i grew up kids brought lunch poor kids ate lunch you were brown bagging it was like lobster and filet mignon no no no no pbj pbj pbj's dude chunky chunky chunky chunky no i didn't it didn't start as chunky i agree but then

i evolved i called it i evolved a little more manly. You wanted to get that chunk in there. Trust, bro. Get the chunk, you'll be a better man. No, no, man. The rich kids, our school was called Westlake High School, and it was nicknamed White Lake because it was just a bunch of rich white kids. This is Ohio, right? Yeah, and so I wasn't one of those kids. I was, like, middle class, and everyone would have, like, super nice lunches.

Like, what's, like, a top-tier type lunch in high school? Icy and fruit roll-ups. None of it was that top-tier. Nah, but you had the one kid who always had that good shit. The snacks were usually where you made it. Yeah, that's your mom's fault. There were some real good... The person with the Scooby-Doo gummies was the shit

and everyone knew it. I was never that kid. Dunkaroos, shark snacks. Oh, cream puffs sometimes? Whoever had the cream puffs? I don't like the cream. I don't like the cream. Cream puffs.

You don't like the cream and cream? Do you like puffs? I don't like the cream puffs. I don't like the cream or the puff. Damn, you like that? How do you feel about Cheetos puffs? I'm better with the cheese doodle than the Cheeto, you know what I mean? I like the puff.

Okay, so you do like the puff. I like the puff when it comes to the cheesy stuff. I don't like the puff when it comes to the dessert stuff. I don't like the puff when it comes to the dessert stuff. Ah, I see. Okay. I feel that, yeah. I don't like the donuts with the cream in the middle. I'm a fan of puffs regardless. You like the puffs. Yeah. And you like the cream filling.

I like everything, dude. Why? Like I said, I'm the... Don't ask me that, bro. I want you to say, you don't even have any fucking money anymore. No, you're right, bro. I'm poor. I hate myself. Guys, guys, guys, because life is so dope. For you.

For you. No, but for everyone. No, not for everyone. There's so many people who it's not dope for. No, no, so false. Yeah, I'm getting divorced. That sucks. You're getting divorced.

Yes. Oh, shit. That's not dope. Oh, shit. Just threw me right under the bus. That sucks, bro. That sucks. Wait, what sucks more? What sucks more? Me getting, shit. Just threw me right under the bus. That sucks, bro. That sucks. Wait, what sucks more?

What sucks more? Me getting divorced or him just fucking throwing me under the bus? There's an example. Oh, no. So, boom. Right in front of your face. That's why life's not dope. You're just talking about it like this?

You want to talk about expenses exceeding income, bro? What's the reason? Not a good fit. Not a good fit. Not a good fit? What went wrong that you thought it was a good fit. Not a good fit. Not a good fit? What went wrong that you thought it was a good fit? I'll tell you what, bro. We can talk about this if I can talk about a specific forest, but I don't know.

Oh, it's like that. Okay, okay, okay. But we can if you want to. So I'll leave that on your court. This is the pivot point where my PR team is like, you shouldn't have talked about his ex-wife. Okay, I'll strike a plea deal with you. Alright. No, but you gotta understand, your life has been

very dope. And I absolutely understand that. But yo, no, no, no, dude. Life is dope! Do you hear what I'm saying? Life is dope. Trust. It's better than being dead. That's what I'm saying. If you have a body to live in, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Have you seen some people's bodies? Yo, it's a body. You got pink eye. That's not cool. So currently my body's not the greatest vehicle. It's a vessel. But a shit one at the moment in my eye. I'm just saying, dude dude whenever i'm like super sad

when did you become like a happy guy like your whole life my whole life dude when i was you think that's why you had like so much success on i think so i think so when i was in ohio like i remember i like i my dad would trap me outside i try to play uh super smash bros on gamecube he trapped he locked me outside for the whole day play Here I am playing with leaves and figs and sticks, just creating my own worlds and imaginary things. And it became the staple of what I do today because I had to

make fun with my life. So yeah, dude, whenever I'm crazy sad or depressed, legit, no joke, I look down, like, oh shit, I got my legs still, that's tight. I got my arms and my hands still. That's tight. I got this body living.

Like, how bad can it be? But what about, like, it's only temporary. My arms? Like, you know it's coming to an end. Like, my arms are going to fall off? They're going to die. They're going to die. It's a temporary vessel.

Yeah, but what do you... When you're doing good, remember you're going to die. What do you think happens when you die? That's great advice. Huh? What do you think happens when you die? You're great advice. What do you think happens when you die? You're going to ask me that right now? Right now.

Let's get deep with it. You're going to ask me that right now. Is there an afterlife? Are you just going to be dead in the dirt? Are you going to get reincarnated? What do you want from me, bro? I'm just curious what you think happens, man. All right.

When you die, I don't know if anything happens. That's it? It's just blackness. I don't know. Right? That's what's scary. I can't call it. I can't call it just yet.

Not many people can. Tell you what, bro. I know what happens when you die. What's that? You see your ex-wife. I know that's what happens. You did me dirty, Logan Paul.

You did me dirty. I know what happens. I want to talk about YouTube. I'm like fucking fascinated. Like, how famous are you? Like, when you go out, how famous are you? Man, I don't, like, people kind of where you are. You have 20 million subscribers.

Like, how famous is that? Like, if I go out at any given club at any given night, I can expect 10 to 15 people to spit at my feet. Why do you think that is? Why do you think you're so hated? I'm just joking, bro. Not so hated. Well, I used to be like that.

No one would spit at my feet. I was being facetious. But I used to definitely be hated. And then I just matured my content, dude. My old shit is cringe as fuck, dude. And I can look back and say that. How old is old? Two years.

Two to three years. What made the switch? Japan, I think. Really? Yeah, it forced me to grow up really quick. I mean, I had to. So I evolved. Quite literally, I evolved into the next phase of my life.

If I were a Pokemon, that was my middle evolution. And now, I'm approaching Final Form, boys. I'm God. I'm approaching Final Form. Feels good. Did you, like like i'm trying to think because you were i i first i don't know if i first learned of you i definitely knew your name but the 60 minutes with kim right well you weren't like with her but 60 minutes you did the influencers

right wasn't it oh wow yeah okay oh that was a long time ago okay like was that was that validation for you to be like oh shit like i mean i'm on kim on Kim Kardashian's level? It was one of the many. I've had a decent amount of nice benchmarks in my career. That was definitely one of them. 60 Minutes is big, you know? Yeah, it's a pretty good one. Heard of it. 60 Minutes is definitely big. That was one of them.

I've been blessed with a lot of fortune and fortunate things in my life. I don't know. I feel like people think you're controversial, right? I don't think you're that controversial. Is that crazy? So I used to be. I used to be. I'm not going to lie.

Because I put on my villain hat. Like a heel, right? Yeah, exactly. I absorbed it. I adopted the heel. And now, I'm not that controversial. Like, I say edgy stuff, sure. But I think most of my mistakes, there's no malintent you know it's

not like me trying to be that's what i'm saying i don't think you're that i was gonna ask you if you you think you're controversial because you're famous you think you're famous because you're controversial no we just no no no i'm controversial because i'm famous we just we just talked about on my podcast actually like i'm an ex-controversial youtuber bro like that used to be the label and it's just not anymore i feel like you're i I feel like the name – and I think it's because – I think you're one of the few YouTubers who like you have name recognition everywhere. Like I was watching you have the Challenger Games coming up. And I didn't recognize – I'm not an anti-YouTuber,

but I'm just not on YouTube as much as someone who makes their living there. And so I saw all the lists, all the names on it, and I was like, I don't recognize many of those. I recognize Jennifer Rooms because I follow her on Instagram. Okay, cool. She's a weapon. I recognize you and your brother. And I feel like you're one of the few that really transcends pretty much everything.

And I think when we were going through what your controversies were, I was like, that's not a big deal. Like 80% of people have that mentality. The 20% that don't are the ones that are really vocal about it. Really vocal about it. And.01 still hang on to it to this day. I'll get the occasional, at Logan Paul, it's still a relevant thing. And I'm like, yeah, unfortunately.

Fuck me. But I also think because there's two of me. Let's be honest jake as well who is equally as uh insert adjective here there's two of me so jake and i both have crafted this like narrative around jake paul and logan paul the paul brothers this like weird story arc of two stupid white kids living like the craziest life ever well i definitely think that contributes contributes to like the reputation as well stupid white kids living the craziest life ever. I definitely think that contributes to the reputation as well.

The notoriety? You're a good looking young white guy. You're in shape. You're confident. People want to hate on that. For sure. For sure. It's easy to hate. And by the way, go for it. If it gets you off to fucking hate on it, get your fucking nut, bro.

Go for it. I can assure you I'll be good either way. well that's the thing is it's easy to say that when you're just like well they keep coming for me and i keep doing my thing man they haven't won yet and they if i was slowing down if i were gonna be canceled i mean it would have happened y'all missed the fucking boat y'all had your chance does it ever does it ever bother you because like we we have people here who are always the same way with that where it's like i don't give a fuck but at some point it's things so i sure do indeed give a fuck now i used to not at some point it's like i just want people to be you prefer them to like you absolutely that's just by human nature i want you to be nice to me

exactly actually the number the number one thing humans like to the core of what it means to be human is wanting to be accepted. Every person, deep down, they want acceptance. The lesson that I learned is my I don't give a fuck attitude fucked me. Truthfully, in the hardest way possible. I kind of scrapped that. While I definitely am running out of fucks to give, I still do give a fuck. I still, in an ideal world world would like people to like me and

enjoy my concept but not i mean not that's not going to happen it's easier when you're just when you kind of you said you're coming into your final form when you're kind of just like look i've matured or whatever it is you said right when you're like i'm just being me yeah as long as you're being honest it's easier to be like okay well they don't like that but it's just me absolutely the thing speaking my truth if you will speaking the truth being authentic being genuine whatever you want to call it the issue i'm sorry bro i'm burping hold on i'm gonna get one out the pink guy the burping this is fucking i'm a mess i'm falling apart the uh the the thing is if if about being yourself is like what if you suck?

You know what I'm saying? Welcome to our show. No, but that's why we usually feel this way. We just took the happiest, most confident forward, and I broke him down. No, but y'all don't suck. That's why you have a show. You're clearly dope, and people like listening to you. I don't know how real it is. I'm sure you like are on and you perform slightly when you're on the show i would like to ask you that because we're pretty real i mean maybe you

could say there are things that we amplify we exaggerate whatever but we're not we're not doing a character we're not doing anything for for clickbait we're not doing anything for outreach and i feel like the youtube world is very blurred. It's like, what was the script? What was not? What was staged? What was not? How much of your shit is or was contrived? When I was vlogging every day, 50%

of it was... Hey, bro, that's gotta be contrived. You gotta mix shit up at that point. Life's not that interesting. No, it's not. You need a piece of content every day. I'd say 33% of it was contrived. 33%, which actually is... That's a pretty good number.

It's low compared to most YouTubers. Like, I tried to keep it real. Now I'm trying to keep it way fucking real. Like, I try to make all my stuff absolutely authentic and real. And it's just so much better. It's so much healthier. For me, having to not try to like force content. Oh man.

We're just straight up bad at it. It's not even like annoying. Don't do it. Yeah. How many pockets you guys do a week? We do two of this. We do radio five days a week. We do like a,

yeah, we do a lot. So you're talking, you're doing it. Yeah. You need material. But even that is like, you know, we're usually talking, we're reacting to stories and shit like that. Okay. It's like uh yeah we do a lot so you're talking you're doing it yeah you need material but even that is like you know we're usually talking we're reacting to stories and shit like that uh okay it's like like we did a vlog for a little bit and it was like we're just not

we're not jet setting we're not doing crazy shit we don't know crazy people we're not partying we're not going out it's tough to like yeah if you have a camera rolling on you for everyday content i mean maybe now you're you're you know you you have a lot of resources you got a lot of attention maybe now it can start rolling in. But in the beginning, you almost have to set things up. Absolutely. You have to fucking light that firework, bro. And when it explodes, and it will, now I feel like I've been given the privilege.

I can kind of chill. I can kind of be myself because I've said this before publicly, and this is kind of pretentious, but I, but, like, I'm a cool dude, and I'm aware of it, and I know, like, I do fun shit. I'm crazy. I can be funny sometimes, and people enjoy watching it. And I'm authentic. Like, I'll be real and tell you what I just told you and not be like – like, I try to stay humble, obviously, but I'm not going to be like,

I don't know why people watch me. I'm just like you. No, I'm a fucking weirdo, bro. Like, yes, I was indeed a normal kid one day, but not really. Right. You know, like I'm a fucking nut, dude. Yeah. But it's weird that you can't like you had to put that disclaimer out.

Like what I'm about to say is kind of pretentious. And it's like, well, not really. It's just being honest. My honesty might cross to you as such because maybe your own insecurities. Yeah. But it's like I was saying this. I was talking to the other day just about like if you're a pretty girl if you were to just be like yeah i'm attractive and i know it because we know what's attractive so refreshing yes and it's

like we know we get it so many people would probably be like oh that girl's a bitch for saying that but it's like you know she's pretty you know why can't we just stop front and bro self-awareness right key like that's what i'm saying so so so being yourself is is great but the problem is again back to my question what if you suck so i'm saying like you what i'm saying so so so being yourself is is great but the problem is again back to my question what if you suck so i'm saying like you guys i'm sure if you guys go out uh to a bar like you're gonna hit on new girls now like you'll probably be able to do that because you're like a confident funny guy that's not even a dig bro you're just so no you shouldn't have said that it wasn't a secret have you have you talked about it? Yeah, it's on.

What does she think about when you talk about your relationship? She's not a fan of it. She's not a fan, right? Oh, I know what that's like. Oh, I know it. Oh, I get the calls and the DMs every day talking, did you talk about me on your podcast? I'm like, babe, that wasn't you. She's like, you used my name.

I'm like, fuck. It was you. It was you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you in a fake YouTube relationship? I don't do that shit, fuck. It was you. It was you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you in a fake YouTube relationship? I don't do that shit, bro. Yo, I had an opportunity. That's my brother, man.

My brother's a fake one. I had an opportunity. I don't know what's going on there, man. I had an opportunity to do the fake relationship. Wait, in a fake relationship, is that just like we have a mutual benefit or is there an exchange of monetary funds? You got a dowry? There's no exchange, but you can make money together.

Like, say you make merch together. It's probably like 50-50 split. I hope so. Like, what if my brother's, like, doing 80-20 with Tana? Oh, Tana, no! Tana, don't do it. I've been doing 80-20. Damn, he's been doing 80-20.

He's been doing 80-20. He has. Shit, no, I don't do it. I don't do an 80-20. Damn, he been doing 80-20. He been doing 80-20. He has. Shit. No, I don't do that, bro. And I had an opportunity, like a big one, by the way. Like I could have pounced in a relationship that would have lit this shit on fire. Come on. What?

Who was it? I can't say. Come on. No, I can't say. No one listens to this show. No, I can't say. We're not even recording. You're not recording?

No, this is all fake. Well, in that case. No, I can't say. No one listens to this show. No, I can't say. We're not even recording. You're not recording? No, this is all fake. Well, in that case. No, I can't say. You can. I could, I guess. No, I won't say. Give us a hint. All right.

No, I can't. Give me initials. Give us initials. Initials. First and last initial. I would, but I actually can't. Just give me her Instagram handle. Bro, bro.

It's fine. It's just her Instagram handle. No big deal. Oh, man. All right, listen. You have a choice. You either have to give me $100,000 Just give me her Instagram handle. Bro, bro. It's fine. It's just her Instagram handle. No big deal. Oh, man. All right, listen. You have a choice. You either have to give me $100,000 or give me her name. Which one?

Fucking pick one, all right? This is tough, bro. You know who I think has major promise here at this office, actually? Who's that? I got the hots for Alex. Oh, yeah. You've been doing shit with the Daddy Gang for a little while now. I just love those girls. The Call Her Daddy girls.

They let it fly, man. They're so great and awesome. How many times have you met them? And great. Twice now. You've met them more than I have. You're lying, bro. I swear to God.

We just made six loops around the office trying to find this person. I've never talked to them. Shut the fuck up. I swear to God. How is that possible? They live on an island, man. They just crush it on their own. I'm not even saying, I've never spoken to them.

You talked to Dave. I talked to Dave too much. Too much? Yeah. How much Dave is too much Dave? He's been gone the whole month. That's what I heard. I heard he takes the whole month of July off.

Yeah. That's bold. Every year. That's way bold. Yeah. But now the thing is, he's nitpicking everybody's shit while he's away. He's watching everyone's content and listening and shit.

I'm like, just come back. Just fucking come back. Ah, but wait. I heard you want to piss on his desk i'd so i did oh sorry sorry dave i don't know if you're joking right now yeah i would not be surprised if you actually beauty of the world so i don't know maybe he did if i if i knew dave more i would i would have pulled some some real viral shit i just don't like like i saw some bats in his room and i saw tv obviously like the first thing came to mind was like

let's shatter this motherfucking TV. I think we could do that. But like also also what's like Dave. I'll get him another TV. I'll tell you what you can do whatever the fuck you want. I don't give a shit. It's not my office. It's Dave's. I hate Dave. Why does everyone just dog on Dave all the time? How about you

piss on the desk and I'll smash the TV and it'll just be a poop thing. Man, why you hate everyone? What's good? That's just how I roll. That's the brand, man. All right, fire, fire. No, but I don't have beef with Dave, so he'd probably just be like, what's really good

with this kid? Yeah, like, why did you do that? I couldn't think of anything funny enough to do. I don't know. I don't think Dave would be okay with that. As long as, like, put our name in the fucking viral video, he'd be like, you can piss on my desk all you want. I'll roll this clip and you saying I can do that before I do it.

Done. Permission granted. I mean, I am absolutely not kidding. We'll go piss on his desk right now. I just got to be with Dave. We've just DM'd on Instagram. I'm like, come on the podcast. He's like, all right.

One butt, everyone knows the rules. Like, he DM'd me that back. It's so weird. No. I'm just kidding. Oh, my God god you almost made my year can you imagine i'm like come on the podcast he goes one bud everyone knows the rules why are you saying this are you still in character how uh how is the pocket going you 100 episodes something like that 100th episode we just had it it's the number one podcast in the world that's a fact I couldn't make that up. I think everyone says that about their podcast.

I think we have the best office for number one in the world podcasts. You can't be number one. We're number one. Sorry. That's not true. It is. You like it better than vlogging? It's like my kids my kids like asking me to

choose my favorite child yeah because you got one bro no but i fuck you do you always do i love i love both dude i really i really mean it like i love them both equally podcasts is nice because i can talk uh along for him obviously and be articulate and and talk about shit and show that i have a bit of wisdom in this dull brain of mine. No, but listen, we're talking about some dumb shit right now, but let's get intelligent.

Okay, let's do it. Are we storming Area 51? I'll tell you something. Are we doing it or not, boys? If you think that Area 51 is really the important spot, you have no way. No trust.

It's Area 52. It's Area 53. What, are you out of your mind? Everyone knows Area 51. You have no idea. No, trust. It's Area 52. It's Area 53. What, are you out of your mind? Everyone knows Area 51. There's no way. Maybe it once was, and then they were like, we gotta move all this shit

because everyone knows Area 51. So, right. So, maybe we should storm Area 52 and you will find some shit. We need to retarget our efforts into the place where the aliens really are.

Now would be the time to strike while they're all worried about Area 51. Me and you are gonna sneak into the whatever. Just us. Yes. now would be the time to strike while they're all worried about Area 51. Me and you are going to sneak into the whatever. Just us. Yes. That's fire.

Do you believe in aliens? Oh, fuck. Come on. I mean, that's like, do I believe in fucking oxygen? It's like, that's just a fact. Scientific fact.

We're the number one podcast in the world and aliens exist. Can we change our, like, whatever category we're in on iTunes, can we change it to the alien one?

Because every time we just somehow talk about aliens. Every time. I mean, aliens are dope. They're so fire. You watched the Bob Lazar documentary? Yeah. I don't know if I'm sold on that guy.

Tell me why. Tell me why. Well, so we had a comedian in here, Jim Norton, and he might have poisoned the well a little bit because he was saying that he didn't buy into a lot of what he was saying. Did he say why? And then when I watched it through that scope, it just seems like none of it was ever really proven. It's a lot of stories.

You know what I mean? I want to believe him so bad. I know. He said a few things that didn't quite add up. Right. And then you start to be like, never mind, never mind. I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that. But some of it makes so much sense.

I hate it. I hate that I can't get to the bottom of this. He said flying saucers fly vertical, which completely contradicts every aerodynamic rule we have. Why would a plate fly not like a flat horizontal plate? They don't follow our rules, man. They don't follow any goddamn rules. These aliens are reckless motherfuckers. They're coming down going, can you believe these motherfuckers

fly horizontally? How dumb are they? Morons. They haven't even figured out to fly vertical yet. What I don't get is why do we still need documentaries? The Air Force has come out and been like, here's videos of us chasing UFOs. And we're like, I don't know what's wrong with me about it. But look, the United States Air Force

is like, yeah, we got them. Here's a video. Watch. We just want to see. We just want to see. I think humans aren't ready to accept the idea of it. That's why we still pretend to debate it. It's real. No, you know what I think is? I think it would fucking blow up accept the idea of it. That's why we still pretend to debate it. It's real. No, you know what I think is? I think it would fucking blow up, like, religion. It would blow up everything if it was, like, if it was a full-blown. What about religion, though?

Are you religious? I don't know, man. You religious? Not really, no. No. Were you? You grew up religious? No, no.

I mean, I was, like, you know, I was forced into the Christian camp when I was younger. And then I kind of looked around. I was like. I raised my eyebrows at that. It was really good here. I went to Camp Cathedral. And by the way, not to shit on Christianity or any religion per se, but I don't know.

I just... I believe in a higher power. I just don't know what's really good. Aliens. Like what's really good? Like God. Hello. Please. really good. Aliens. Like, what's really good? Like, God, hello, please heed my calls and put me back on

Google Preferred. Please, dear God, take me back. I can't believe that, man. Out of all the shit that has gone on, I really don't think you're controversial. No, I was. I trust I was. I don't think you were. I don't know. I'm not going to make you sit here and list them. Again,

unintentionally, but sometimes the intent doesn't matter. You look around like the rest of the people who are intentionally doing really fucked up things and those people aren't catching near

as much heat as you are. Do you think of yourself as like the Howard Stern of YouTube? For sure. I'm not going to lie, for sure. Especially with this

new podcast now. And it's interesting because I actually just today met with his producer. And I told him, I was like, people are saying we're like the young Howard Stern of the internet and my podcast I'm referring to. And it's interesting because Howard Stern is so out there. And he almost, I feel like maybe has a hard time being his fullest self now,

given how tight everyone is. He is a watered-down version of himself. For sure. He's made so much money and so successful, and you can't jeopardize that. But compared to what he was doing and saying, it's like a fraction of it. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like you're pretty good at the podcast. Thanks, man.

I appreciate that. I mean, I probably, you know, having, like, a preconceived notion about you watching the vlogs wouldn't have thought you could do this shit and talk. For sure. That's why it's so fun to me. You're kind of proving people wrong. Yeah, absolutely. I need to get more eyes on it.

Like, you know, I don't know how many viewers or listeners you guys get, but like six? I got about six or seven as well. The people in this room? Like currently, yeah yeah about six uh but it's harder to get people to listen to long form shit they just don't care so we try to we try to uh sprinkle in bits of wisdom because i'm as dumb as i am i also have a lot of wisdom in these bones i also

got some nuggets coming back around i feel like i feel like, because you were a Vine guy, right? Oh, yep, absolutely. I think we've almost gotten, like, it went from six seconds, I think people are, everything is so cyclical with trends.

I think people are kind of coming around again and be like, all right, I'm speaking to myself, I'm like, I watch movies now. I watch movies again.

Full movies. You never watch movies? I did, like, the last five years I've been doing TV. I didn't have the attention span. Whoa! Opposite, exact opposite. I watched movies? I did. Like, the last five years, I've just been doing TV. I didn't have the attention span. Whoa. Opposite.

Exact opposite. I watched movies, but, like, I would much prefer watching a TV show than a movie. Crazy. Now, every night, I'm like, I'll pop a movie on. Wait, but hold up. TV shows, see, for me, if we're talking about time, like, you get sucked in and you're binge watching a whole season. It's like a mind trick, where it was like, I would rather watch a full season of 30-minute

shows than one hour. For real? Yeah. See, the other thing for TV, for me, is the moment. And all I do is tell stories, and I'm goddamn motherfucking good at it at this point. I've been doing this since I was 10. The moment I feel in a TV series that the writers have clearly struggled to create some sort of cohesive script and narrative, I'm out.

Because I know they're reaching now. It was once a great project. Game of Thrones, so I heard this. You didn't watch Thrones? No. That doesn't surprise me. Does that surprise you? Of course it surprises me. He doesn't live on this planet, bro. They don't air Game of Thrones on planet Paul, man.

It's just not even there yet. You know, I watched West world yeah and at the end of this first season i just i was like y'all are reaching yeah i mean that's some complicated shit too that show gets yeah true and and like lost too i watched lost when i was younger and at the end i was like i mean what's really good like the same question was really good really good guys everything was really bad by the end man yeah no i'm and that's because they have to because they're not it you're no longer creating because it's like i want to tell a good story you're like fuck like the network yeah the network needs me to write something down on a paper by next monday so do you have any of that or like

uh is there anybody who puts pressure on you to make content or no no i'm the only one yeah so if you wanted to like you could just be like we're shutting it down for a month or something like that facts facts and i've done that and i've done that before but which i would have never ever done back in like 2017 daily vlog ever like posting a daily vlog was the only thing that mattered now it's like it's it goes living first living being human and then content uh which which again is so much healthier but i i think i'll get back to a point where we do have quotas per se and we have to give get our three videos out a week five videos seven days maybe i'll go back daily who's like your team is maverick or whatever yeah so that's so you have other vine stars other

podcasters other youtubers no no not quite i don't not quite. I don't have a team per se. I know I just verbatim said Team Maverick. But that's kind of our group of people that live in our house. I'm starting a team actually really soon. So you haven't like co-signed people yet? That's next steps. What? I don't know.

I don't know if I could do that. Why? Do you think we could have like a team of podcasters that we would be like... I just feel like I would want to do it myself and say it myself. I don't want to put my name on something else that somebody else is saying in case they're saying some shit. Should I make money with it? Yeah, I was going to say, if you can make money, then fuck it. Don't you think you could breed them to create offshoots of some of the greatest podcast content?

Well, but that's the thing. It's almost like the TV shows. You've got to keep it tight-knit where you can't stray too far. Just get dope-ass talent. Get awesome talent. It's called the network effect. Imagine a giant polygon, and each point is a person. And it's like a giant pinball machine.

You've got to find dope people. You have to find dope people. What you're saying is you wouldn't start Barstool Sports. That's what you're saying, man. I think it's harder. What do you mean? It's a great business model. Some people here I would be okay with co-signing.

Other people I'd be like, that's directly my name. Like example, call her daddy girls. Would you want them under you? You know, so I never thought they were going to blow up the way they did. I thought they were going to be too much and they did. Really? I thought they were going to be like too much and too far. So I was dead wrong on that. So maybe this is just not the business for me of like picking out the next people. I see.

Well, that's where Dave Portnoy comes in. Yeah, no, I got to give it to him on that one. One pick. Everyone knows the rules. And that man's got a golden point. Let's go piss on his desk. Stop. Stop.

What's next for you? Man, who knows? So I got the Challenger games coming up. I'm the... Hey. Why do you keep doing so much fitness stuff? Bro, what's good, bro? It's 6 his desk. Stop. What's next for you? Man, who knows? I got the Challenger games coming up. Why do you keep doing so much fitness stuff? Bro, what's good, bro? 6'2", 200 pounds. Would you not? All I do is grind.

If I looked like that, I would do that shit. That's the point. I wouldn't fuck. I'd be like, I'm going to watch TV. I'm going to watch a movie where the story falls apart. You could box a little bit, too, man. I just watched the highlights. Because we have our own amateur boxing thing,

but it's like haymakers and like... No, I saw someone... They tried to convince me to do a rufferati. You would beat the shit out of somebody. No, I'd fuck some dudes up. Bro, I'm a boxer. Like, I box now. For a year and a half,

I've been boxing almost every day. You know what I'm saying? You got the rematch coming up. Got the rematch coming up, yep. Keep your eyes out for that. Stay tuned. Did I read right? You might do it at Staples?

Yeah. You're going to fucking sell Staples? Easy. Easy. So when I asked how famous you are and you said 10 to 15 people might fucking notice me, what are you talking about? I said spit at my feet. Oh, right.

Everybody's noticing. I thought that was 100%. I thought that Venn diagram, everyone who noticed you spit at me. No, bro. I'm pretty fucking famous. What do you want from me, bro? People know me. Yo, I was looking at your videos.

More people watch your shit than an NFL game. That's ridiculous. That's crazy. But listen, I'm going to say this and I'll say it. I'm the fastest YouTuber on this planet. I'm the fastest entertainer on this planet. And I'm putting $100,000

on the line. I'm quick, bro. Ocho Cinco is the one who responded to this, right? I mean, what's really good with Ocho Cinco? He peaked. He peaked. And I told him that. I tweeted it to his face. He's probably still got some wheels. No, he don't. He don't want the smoke. He peaked. He peaked. And I told him that. I tweeted it to his face. He's probably still got some wheels. No, he don't. He don't want the smoke. He didn't respond to my DM. He wanted his clout. Look, I'll put 300k.

First off, you don't have 300k to lose. Second off, I feel like Ocho does. No, you're... Hey, he frail, dog. He frail as fuck. So I'll say this. I'm the quickest entertainer on the planet. The Challenger Games are happening this Saturday, July 27, Long Beach, California. Get your tickets at Eventbrite.

And we're racing some of the biggest entertainers on the planet. It's a track and field event. It's for charity. If you win, you get to donate money to a charity of your choice. There's a lot of good things happening. A lot of fans are going to be there. Are you doing the 100-meter dash? I'm going to do the 100, the 4x1, and the long jump.

But, ooh, I just pulled my hamstring, dude. Oh, here it comes. Bro! Play the excuses out. I know how that goes, man. No, no, no, no, no. Legit, I just pulled my hamstring five days ago, guarding Snoop Dogg in a charity basketball game.

Oh, so you're washed up. You can't even play Celebrity Hoops without Snoop. You're absolutely right. I am Snoop. Yeah, if Snoop puts you in a body bag, man. Snoop crossed you? He didn't cross me up. I was, like, chasing him in Floyd Mayweather, and I fucking just popped some shit. Yes, I'm washed up in a body bag, man. He crossed you? He didn't cross me up. I was, like, chasing him in Floyd Mayweather,

and I fucking just popped some shit. Yes, I'm washed up. You're right, bro. Like, my body's falling apart. Yo, when you slapped that guy in the face and, like, knocked him into another dimension, was that real? That was absolutely real.

None of that was staged. None of that was staged. He came out. I don't know if you saw this drama, but he came out, I think, two and a half weeks later, and he, he like sat down he's like i went down but i wasn't knocked out oh god that guy if i didn't go down i wouldn't have gotten paid we're like hey bro like we didn't pay you to come we paid for your flights

and then after i knocked him out i had a conversation with him uh for about 30 minutes because he was in another dimension like quite didn't know where, how, what. Bro, and it's scarier in real life. When the camera's cut and he's still completely out of it for an hour afterwards, I felt so bad for him. I was like, hey man,

what can I do to make this better? He's like, I don't want you to post that video. I'm like, well, aside from that, anything but that. You were supposed to come here to teach me how to slap. He was supposed to be the slap master. And he was supposed to teach me how to slap based on how I slapped him.

Unfortunately, I knocked him out. We never got that far. And so he's like, you can't post a video unless you pay me. I'm like, God damn it. Oh, so how much am I supposed to pay this dude? Maybe if I get slapped, he'll pay me. Bro, it's not damn it. Oh, so how much am I supposed to pay this dude? Maybe if I get slapped, he'll pay me. Bro, it's not worth it. It's not worth it.

You would literally take my head off. It's not worth it, bro. I'll take free money. I'm not doing this. What about the dude who showed up at your house and you boxed him? Also real. That's what I'm saying, bro. So this content that seems like crazy, outrageous, might be staged.

It's not. Absolutely real. I get that because we get accused of that shit all the time, too. Not just us. For sure. Boxed was a whole where it's like, they staged. I get that because we get accused of that shit all the time too. Not just us. For sure. Like, Barstool as a whole. It's like, they staged it. Man, most of the stuff that happens that's super crazy, you can't stage.

Most – I'd say 95% of my content now is real. I can't remember the last staged video I did. I think I might have just done something that was – I had Flat Earthers fake break into my house. That was a fake one. But you – I mean, you know, if it's crazy outrageous, it's fake. It's fake. That's like a general rule. Have you ever had like a stunt or a video idea or something like that where you were like, too far.

Nope, we're not doing that. My too far radar has been subpar. I wish it took harder. I'm the same way. I wish, bro. I wish. People come to me. They'll be like, yo, can you read this blog?

Like, can I publish this? I'm like, I'm going to say yes. I am not the one you've got to ask, bro. I am the worst person to ask. Like, I am the worst litmus test of what's appropriate for now. Yeah, we need to work on that. I know. You've got a lot to lose now, bro.

You can't just be. I'm good now, bro. We've got a review team and everything now. So I ask you what's next. Like, do you think that you will be able to last until you're like 50 yeah you're just gonna make as much as you can flame out when you're like no that ain't me that ain't me i i'm here for a good time and a long time you know i some drake shit no drake said i'm here for a good time not a long time i'm like why not both fuck that like i'm gonna be i'm do both, man. I got some staying power in this

shit and I'm not here to make money and dip. Do you have aspirations to go... Hey, what a funny question. I'm not cutting it off there. I have more to say. Aspirations? Do you have aspirations to go more mainstream or are you good on YouTube? I used to.

I think it'll happen naturally. Do you think YouTube will become more mainstream or do you think you'll go more traditionally mainstream? I'm going to take YouTube and my fellow creators. No, we will take YouTube and bring it and make it mainstream because kids nowadays think YouTube is mainstream. I mean, it definitely is with a generation that's younger than us. Yeah, Gen Z absolutely thinks YouTube stars are the greatest thing on planet Earth. Like put me and Leonardo DiCaprio in front of a 10-year-old and see who he wants to take a picture with. Weird, right?

It's weird as fuck. Yeah. It sounds cocky, but again, it's just true. That is a fact. That was a wild sentence to hear. It is true. Absolutely insane. Oh, I don't think I'm not accusing you of lying.

I'm just saying he and it was like... Oh, yo. That is a fact. And weird as fuck, I can acknowledge Leonardo is a million times more talented and deserving than I am. I mean, not deserving. I work goddamn hard. I mean, like, talented, I'll say.

That motherfucker slept on a horse. He slept on a fucking horse and ate a walrus heart. He earned it, too. He definitely earned it. Yeah, it's odd, dude. What was the question? Don't remember. Who knows, but yeah, it's odd, dude. What was the question? Don't remember. Who knows?

I mean, it was- What's really good with your brother? You cool with him? Dude, who knows, bro? Fuck! I mean, there's got to be some weird, like, fucking, I don't know, biblical shit going on there. Some Cain-Abel shit where you guys, like, secretly want to kill each other. Chasms and fissures in the Paul relationship.

Dude, Jake is a- Jake's a- He's just a saint, bro. and they just can't be able to see where you guys secretly want to kill each other. Chasms and fissures in the Paul relationship. Dude, Jake is a saint, bro. Are we still live? There was no way you were going to beat me on that. We could have sat here for 20 minutes in silence. I would have gone to dinner, man. You're not going to win that battle. Yo, that's... I can't tell if it's because of the pink guy or if that was hilarious.

But, oh, man, as soon as I saw you guys were going for it, I was like, I can't. They're going to beat me? Literally, you had no shot of winning. Do you all do those awkward pauses? I'll let you sit there until the fucking sun comes up man goes down and comes back up again no but I mean you're the older brother right it's true

how old is he 22 so it's like you're 24 right yeah so it's not that much yeah he's uh he's thriving dude in his own way we're very different we're the exact opposite we're also the exact opposite. We're also the exact same.

I had a very brief... I didn't... He came to our old office. Oh, he did? With Dave, yeah. Oh, shit. Popped in for a minute. And he was very, like...

He would be, like, talking business, and then he would, like, turn to the camera and, like, do some vlog shit. Yes, yes. And it was very, like, on and off. Like, pow, pow. Yep, he's both. And I feel like you are more, like, one speed...

Now I am. Yeah. Were you used to doing that? I mean, mean yeah if you met me when i was daily vlogging i i could give you an example i'd be like yo we're here at the barstool sports office and final podcast these guys are fucking sick and then i come out and be like yo like so that's me about your that's what i saw from your brother. You used to be that way. So I'm wise. I've got wisdom. I like talking about intellectual things. You guys going to Storm Man in 51? Fuck, I'm such an asshole.

You know what? I think your problem, you've seen the Karate Kid. You look like the bad guy from the Karate Kid. You look like a villain. Wait till I put on a bandana. Billy Zabka fucked you. If you didn't look like that, people would probably think you're a nice guy. I look like a villain. But wait till I put on a bandana. Billy Zabka fucked you. I know, bro. Like, if you didn't look like that, people would probably think

you're a nice guy. I look like every villain, dude. Yeah, you got a villain face. Like, every bully in the movies, that's me. Yeah. I hate it. I always pick the toe head

to be the villain. Listen, make me a promise. All right. Don't go doing some, like, stupid Netflix movie where you're, like, the nice guy because you don't want to be the bully or some shit like that.

No, fuck that. Okay. Like, you know, people do that. The bullies are sick. Everybody thinks of me as the bully, so't want to be the bully or some shit like no fuck that okay like you know the bullies are sick everybody thinks of me as the bully so i wanted to show another side of me like fuck that fuck that be the bully you should do a movie called bully for you bully kids lean into it i want to be that yo what what just transpired if i said like something the wrong way could have been clipped and turned into logger parol supports bullying like that's bullying. I'll say it for you. I support bullying.

Bullying is awesome. Not in an extreme sense, but if a kid's being weird in class, bro, I was bullied. I was literally the smallest kid in my grade. Because I was bullied. Freshman beatdown, when you're in 8th grade, they go, the freshman beatdown doesn't exist. You have nothing

to worry about. And then they whoop your ass. Jacob Coutts. He beat my ass with a belt. Fucking Coutts. You should fight that guy. He's fucking huge, bro. They called him the monster, the man child in high school. So you were small and you had like a growth spurt or some shit?

Yeah, I did. They called me shrimp and then I had a growth spurt. And I was like, fuck, I'm kind of big now. First I was tall and skinny and then I got muscles growth spurt. I was like, fuck, I'm kind of big now. First, I was tall and skinny, and then I got muscles. And now, like, I'm too big, dude. Like, from the side, I look like a fat guy. Like, my arms look like a fat guy. You're a wild dude, Logan Paul.

Thanks, bro. Thanks. Thanks. You guys are fun. This was great. Thanks, man. Let's go. We're going to do a YouTube video real quick.

Oh, you smash Riley Reid, by the way? Yeah, you definitely fuck Riley Reid, right? Me? Yeah. That's a yes. No, I'm not going to answer this question with a yes or no. All right. You already did. Then you just did. No, by the way. Yeah, you don't fuck Riley Reid, right? Me? Yeah. That's a yes. No, I'm not going to answer this question with a yes or no. Then you just did. No, no, no.

I'll answer it with an analogy. Sit back down. Pay attention. Yeah. You ever gone to the grocery store? Yeah. Yeah, I've been there once, twice. It's been a long time.

Okay, you've been. Oh, you fucked her in a grocery store. Oh, okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Why did you go to the grocery store? Probably some candy, probably.

Probably buy stuff, right? Yeah. Some sort of like amenity or like food or something. Justin's peanut butter cups is usually what he gets. Oh, by the way,

fucking awesome and fire. We eat them all the time. You think Reese's are better than Justin's? You're out of your mind. They're great. All right, listen. Would you ever

leave a grocery store empty handed? No. You wouldn't, right? Unless they're great. All right, listen. Would you ever leave a grocery store empty-handed? No. You wouldn't, right? Unless they didn't have Justin's. Okay. There you go. My man. Why would you do that?

That would be dumb. All right, boys. So I'm totally okay with Logan Paul. But that's also because I think I would probably be regarded as a bit of an internet asshole and I don't really see all the drama, I don't have any problem, we didn't really get into it, if you're unfamiliar he went to the suicide forest in Japan, which is just

a fucking place that exists, there's a place in Japan where everybody goes to kill themselves, and he made a vlog from there, now I understand I think he was kind of laughing, and I think some of it was a little bit distasteful, but I don't know, it's not like he fucking made anybody kill themselves or anything. He went to a place that exists. It is a thing.

He documented it. It is a tourist destination. It is definitely a tourist destination. I watched other specials on it. He's not the only one to go in there with cameras. You know, maybe he wasn't showing the proper amount of, like, reverence. I don't care if someone I don't know dies. I don't know if that's a controversial take.

I certainly don't care. If I don't know you and you die, I don't really give a shit. I definitely don't care if random people kill themselves. That's up to them, man. Look, I'll give you some empathy. I'm like, oh, that sucks. Bro, when it's a murder or something, sure. When it's tragic.

Someone just died. Someone just died. Definitely. Someone just died. Death. Death. Death. Death.

Every second. Every second. Every second. I don't care. So I think what happened was, I think that this is a dude dude i do think he looks like the bad guy from karate kid i do think that's a problem i think he has a villain look to him i think he's successful i think he's charismatic and he's tall he's jacked in the grand scheme of things good looking right i think people wanted that guy to fail and they felt like this is our thing this is our shot we've got him now

let's cancel this guy i yeah that's how cancel culture works now in this day and age a lot of times there is cancelable offenses and that's what that's what blows my mind about him is like in this age where people are doing like really fucked up stuff actually harming people assault sexual indecency all that stuff like he did something you know a little distasteful on a blog. That's what we're going to get all upset about. Yeah. I didn't really have many preconceived notions about him. I wasn't – I really didn't. I didn't know much about him. I think I said as much in the interview.

I don't really – I don't live on YouTube. I don't know too much about – We're a little bit outside the demo. I know the name for sure. And I guess because of the name, I definitely had it. I had a negative association with it. Yes. But you remember you wrote the first vlog about Viners

when they were making like a million dollars a month. And what was your first reaction? Like, fuck these guys. Fuck him, yeah. You know? And so there's definitely this vibe of, wait a minute, these guys make six-second videos and say, fuck you.

You know? And they make a ton of money for it. So I get it. The first vibe is like, you're a douchebag. The second wave is probably one of jealousy. Third wave is like, you know, I wish, why not me? I work harder. All that shit.

And so you hate. And I think there's something super refreshing, and I likened it to, I think I was talking about this on CCK. Like, if you're hot, you should be able to say you're hot. If you're funny, you should be able to say you're funny. If you're compelling, you should be able to say you're compelling. And that shouldn't come across as, like, arrogance or hubris if it's a fact. Yeah. It's like Kanye West.

Yeah. I mean, when you can back it by the way i heard yandi this weekend it's very good you did yeah how'd you hear that don't you worry about it i just got a leak i mean how do you how do you hear anything i got a leak um it's very good i was gonna send it to you but you don't like him so i've said i definitely won't like it i think i sent it to trent and ke was going to send it to you, but you don't like him. So I've sent it to, I definitely won't like it. I think I sent it to Trent and Keith. Keith liked it very much. It's a, I haven't, I haven't heard his opinion.

Nothing is breaking me out of my Ed Sheeran trance right now. You can send me anything you fucking want. There's no way I'm listening to anything, but my boy Eddie. So I'm, I'm, I would imagine. Team Maverick.

If you listen to that interview With an open mind And you didn't already Like dislike him Or have an axe to grind You were like Yeah You know Maybe

Maybe comes across As like a little bit I think it's confident But I could see you Thinking he's arrogant I could see you Thinking he's maybe Like a little bit

You know Abrasive maybe Whatever Stupid words like that But none of it's like None of it should be like That guy That kid's a bad person Fuck that Yeah He's young and rich He's young and fucking rich maybe whatever stupid words like that, but none of it's like, none of it should be like that guy, that kid's a bad person.

Fuck that. Yeah. Well, he's young and rich. He's young and fucking rich. That's the problem. That's honestly the problem. If that guy's not rich,

nobody cares. I think it's one of those things where people will get the name and then it's just like, I fucked them. And, but again, I went into it pretty open. I,

I was surprised that they were like, you know, people around the office who didn't want to interview him or whatnot. I was like, Oh, did, did we miss something? Like he did something horrible and missed nothing.

Just a guy who made a flat earth documentary or something like that, a joking documentary, mockumentary. Yo, look around, man. Yeah. We're just as bad, if not fucking worse. I'm not going to turn down interviews because people don't turn down interviews with me. And if you were taking an interview with us, you probably all went to take interviews with other people. Absolutely, man. A thousand percent.

I honestly do think that I could for sure see somebody turning me down and being like, no, you heard what that guy did. So it would be hypocritical of me to turn around and like not at least hear somebody out or whatever the the i mean it was it was totally i i went out i i heard from certain people that it's always the worst and i went in and i i liked him i liked the guy i liked the idea i like he's really cool he was funny i thought he was hanging on his house and shit honest like i was even surprised when i was like so when was your problematic stuff? You see the controversial things. He's like, a year and a half ago, two years ago.

I was like, oh, like that recent. Yeah, no, he's very aware of it. He could have been like, oh, I was a different person. But even that, you know, what's funny is like, it's not like he's turning around

and like, you know, curing cancer. Like he's, you know, helping the poor kids of Africa. He's still doing like idiotic internet content. Yeah. Which is fine.

But, you know, he was like, oh, I've like changed. I'm like, oh, you're just more careful about who you piss off that's really all it is yeah i think that's what he said he wasn't he wasn't trying to i don't think he was trying to pretend he did anything else he just said yeah well there was i would do controversial stuff and i kind of don't do that anymore i love how the answer was just like he put a team in place to make decisions for him like i

love that he was self-aware to be like my radar for where the line is is not great right now i hear you bro i mean we we had a moment there we were talking self-aware to be like, my radar for where the line is is not great right now. I hear you, bro. I mean, we had a moment there where we were talking self-awareness. I was like, yes, yes, yes, queen. All right, so that's the first half of our controversy. Second half with Kathy Griffin we will get to on the back end. We'll get into our voicemails in a little bit. But first, we've got to cancel.

I have a big cancel. John has a huge cancel. I actually have, like, I feel like almost everything I want to talk about in this could be coming in the cancel realm as well. Oh, yeah. Or, yeah. There's a lot to cancel. There's a lot to cancel. I'm canceling summer.

The whole fucking season. It's not just because it was so hot. I didn't go outside, so I didn't want to give a fuck. It was oppressively hot. It was dangerously hot. It was go check on your nana because she might be dead hot. I'm actually changing the cancel from summer. Summer can keep existing.

People who are dumb enough to say that summer is their favorite season, you're canceled. If summer is their favorite season, you're such a fucking idiot. How are you so goddamn stupid? This is your favorite season immediately regret it you're such a fucking idiot yeah how how are you so goddamn stupid this is your favorite season this is what you enjoy this is what when it's fucking spring and it's nice out maybe rains a little bit when it's fall and you're getting your fucking fits off you're like i can't wait until it's a thousand degrees so i can go to the beach four times this i'll say this fuck that i'll say this i had the most fun in my life during the summer but it's not because it was summer if everyone just agreed to buy to fucking rent houses and shit like that in the fall and like go to places and we all partied there i would have just as much i don't know if i've ever liked summer

i've done it i don't know if i've ever had i've been i think most of the time i'm like this fucking sucks. My favorite times of life was renting houses with my friends, which just happened to coincide with summer. But the whole time I was like, ah, it's hot and it's sandy. I enjoy ski houses more. For sure. Yeah, but that's usually just a weekend. Yeah, but you can get it for.

You can get it for the whole winter if you wanted. But I feel like people like they do the whole summer and you party the whole summer. You have fun the whole summer. Everybody out. The good part about summer is, like, everyone shuts down at work. It's just, like, an agreed-upon season. You're going to go on vacation. Summer Fridays are a thing a lot of places.

There's just a culture of laziness that goes along with the summer that I can get behind. That's fine. But the rest of the summer. The actual season itself is a catastrophe. It's terrible You're such a This was I mean this weekend

I can't believe people live in places Where it's just warm all the time It's awful You know what I don't even like being tan anymore I was gonna go like hang out On the Esplanade this weekend The only reason I'm tan

Is because I'm out there If you lay out anymore To like just sit there And soak in sun Because you want to be tan You're sick of it I think you're coming around To the you know The the powder in your face and you stay white bitch i haven't been outside all weekend yo you know i haven't been outside all week you know what they

do in australia they put like zinc on their face but it doesn't rub in yeah yeah but they so they make it like tan color so it's not like you have a big white nose they make it like skin color oh i like the white yeah just go fucking full ghost face with it. I like the white. White face. Yeah, I like a zinc nose. But they got to do like their whole body. I couldn't have a zinc nose.

I'd look like a goddamn pelican. Oh, it would be huge. It would be so loud. It would look like a boat sail. That would be great. I don't know if that was necessary. Well, you know what wasn't necessary was bringing out my goddamn divorce during the Logan Paul interview. I was going to talk to you privately about that.

That's it for TAC. I didn't realize. I saw it in your face. I was like, oh, I don't know if you like that. I thought we were just showing why we were visible. I don't care. But then Logan Paul was like, let's run with this. Yeah, I felt really bad after the second time.

All right, well, talk about your suicide force, bro. It's fine. I noticed a little bit there. I was like, I should. I thought it was just a one-time thing. It was, I'm not going to do that ever again. I felt really bad about that. But it's good when you have.

I was going to bring it up before the show. And then I was like, maybe like, maybe. Because I thought you were mad. No. And I was like, I was like, you know, I'll talk to him afterwards. But I didn't know if you were actually mad if we brought it up before the show. It would ruin the show. Like ruin the chemistry.

So I was like, I'll talk to him after the show. I felt really bad about that. And I was like, I was getting my lunch today. And I was like, I shouldn't have done that. It's so stupid. No, I'm actually, in a sick way, I'm happy that it allowed me to bring up the suicide forest thing. Because I don't like doing interviews where I can't talk about certain things.

So I was like, all right, I'm going to bring up the suicide forest. Anytime someone has a do not touch, jump on me first. They'll make fun of me. Kevin, you're getting divorced. Then we can turn our keys. It was. It's one of those things to be totally honest like we've talked about it

and joked about it so like I was like yeah it's on the podcast we're doing the podcast and then I just I hadn't really put together that it was like

kind of a stranger it was it's gonna be a new thing for someone else they're like oh shit yeah I very much we're very much used to it

I really regretted bringing it up to be totally honest it was I was literally putting it in my head, Kev, you got a minute? Oh, man. I was, fuck. I wish that happened, because I would have been like, you fucking pussy. I wish we had a camera rolling or something.

Hey, man, can we talk? Can we talk for a second? I felt really bad. You're finally coming out. I felt really bad. It was, speaking of coming out some dude yesterday was like we were talking about the hair thing because uh one of the queer eye guys uh-huh he says he doesn't shave his hair every seven days and someone was like i thought i thought

you were like closeted now this is official so that that thank god or shout out to the gays because now being dirty is gay. They got it all. Now you don't even wash your hair. They've taken everything. What a fucking poof. It used to be like, what do you use? Lavender body wash? Now don't wash at all.

You just let dirt sit on your head? What are you, a queer? You like sucking dick too? That's unbelievable. Fuck that kid, Ian. I remember when she looked like you little fucking bitch. She had a fucking flat brim hat, like one of the old shitty ones, too. Not even like a real flat brim hat.

Like one of the douchebag ones with fucking like Bieber bangs. Like Bieber sideburns underneath the hat. Oh, no. You fucking loser. I know what you look like, you fucking son of a bitch. All right. So we're going to cancel summer. We'll cancel that guy.

Cancel that guy. I'm canceling for the 500th time. I want to drive this home. Let me just say. Okay. Let me say. If you like summer. I'm canceling for the 500th time. I want to drive this home. Let me just say one more time. If you like summer, I'm staring at the camera for those listening. If you like summer,

Barstoolgold.com slash KFC. Fuck you. Fuck you if you like summer. You're a fucking idiot. Fall, my favorite seasons go in order. They start in the fall though. Fall, winter, spring, summer.

Dead last for you, huh? Summer is dead last. It's not even close. I was thinking about it today walking to work. It's not even close. I was thinking about it today walking to work. I was like, it's not even close. This is my least favorite time of year. When it's like bitter, bitter cold, snowing, sleeting, slush puddles,

you like that better than oppressive heat? Yeah. I happily walk to work in the winter. I miserably do it. Sometimes I can Uber it. I do everything happily now. Oh, that's right. Even now, despite my mood.

By the way, I woke up at 4.45 this morning. John has officially passed his depression to me. Oh, yeah. It happened this weekend. It was bad. Kevin slept till 11. I slept till 11 a.m. Now, I kind of made myself feel better because it was coming on the heels of like 50 straight hours with the kids by myself.

It was like a 48 to 56-hour binge with them. And so I'm allowed to be tired but sleeping till 11 i rolled over being like uh i feel like it's a little bit late like i'm getting a late start today i think it was like 9 it was 11 15 it's funny i was like whoa kevin kevin like learning it on the fly where he texted me he said this is pretty great day's almost over yeah i was like, this is why the Sands do it. I get it. It's the best day to live. You sleep through life. It's amazing.

It's not a big deal. When I was a freshman in college, I used to sleep like 18 hours a day. I would be awake from midnight to 6 a.m. I mean, that is full-blown clinical depression. Yeah. I wasn't going to class. I'm seeing the light. I kind of get it. If you wake up at lunchtime, you skip a whole meal, you skip a whole section of the day.

It's a lot easier to get through the day. Yeah. But I definitely think that it's your depression. I've caught it. Because the universe does need balance. It's Thanos style. It's perfectly balanced as all things must be. You got happy and you're waking up at 4.

I'm getting depressed. I woke up at 4.45 this morning. I did go back to sleep at 10. You better. You fucking better woke up at 4.45 this morning. I did go back to sleep. You better. You fucking better. But I woke up. I ate breakfast. And went back to sleep.

Went back to sleep after that, yeah. What a weirdo. Yeah. You're going to be very bad at this well-adjusted life. You're going to be doing weird shit like that. Get the fuck out of here. I said it's like that movie Fallen with Denzel where the demon just jumps from person to person. The depression demon just jumped from John right into me.

I was the closest one to him. I'll take this guy. Were you not already depressed? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You weren't joyous before. Did you get doubled up? That was the thing. In the last podcast, I was explaining. I'm like, you know, I still am just like, I get up, I go to work, I'm functioning, I laugh, I joke, I see my friends. I'm not depressed. And then I was like,

well, I just slept away like half the day. I think I'm officially... I like how you... I think I'm showing the symptoms now. I like how you count 11 a.m. 11 a.m. Was a good time to get up. Yeah. Hey, good job, John.

It was like, if I, if I hit 2 p.m. That's when I was like, all right, I got half the day out. That would, if I hit 2 p.m. I'm like going like to a insane asylum. Like put me in a straight jacket. It's coming. If you sleep till 2 p.m. I'd go back to bed and skip that day.

I'd be like, ah, we've got to punt that whole day. Yeah. I'd go right back to bed skip that day i'd be like ah we've got a whole day yeah i'd go right back to bed like i'll get up but then you know what it would i'd be like let's get back on track i'll wake up at like four if i go to bed right now i'll wake up with happy john in the morning you know because it's only because i've slept 36 hours straight i'm uh canceling for the thousandth time uh xxx tentacion fans and this new wrinkle of any of them who are coming at this comedian Dina Hashem for her joke, because you're the fucking worst. You're worse than XXXTentacion if you're defending this fucking guy. I used to kind of hedge it a little bit. In my blog originally, I was like, I understand it was a senseless act of violence, and this kid shouldn't have that doesn't mean that, you know, just because someone's bad doesn't mean you can go kill them.

And I still agree with all those things. I'm just not saying them anymore. I'm just saying fuck XXXTentacion and all of his fans. Just fuck them. It's ridiculous when you lay out the shit that he did. He's horrendous. And this girl using his murder to joke. And fuck that.

So the story goes, this girl, I guess, can we drop it in here? Here's the to joke. And fuck that. So the story goes, this girl, I guess, can we drop it in here? Here's the fucking joke. Is anyone still mourning XXXTentacion? He's a rapper who was murdered. He's dead now. He was shot.

He was on his way to buy a car with $50,000 in cash and somebody shot him and took the money. Which is very tragic. But I think also it would be a very good Venmo commercial. That's the first thing I thought when I heard that. Like, I don't have Venmo.

I should get Venmo. And another comedian was the one who called her out. It was like, oh, rappers getting murdered is funny now? Yeah. Have you ever heard the Chris Rock bit? I don't really care. I mean, Chris Rock has a legendary bit about Biggie and Tupac. Nobody was complaining about that. I didn't see the problem there. Nobody's canceling Chris Rock has a legendary bit about Biggie and Tupac. Nobody was complaining about that. I didn't see the problem there.

Nobody's canceling Chris Rock. No one's calling that offensive, you fucking baby. Honestly, if I was a stand-up comedian and this was my new reputation, I would quit. If I was known as the guy, I mean, I'm a little more into this. I'm sure other people are going to forget about it. But if I ever hear the name James Davis, I'm going to be like, oh, that's the crybaby who couldn't handle that one joke. And you're supposed to be a comedian. You're supposed to be up on stage having your own like your own tough guy act your own thick skin and big balls and making like ballsy jokes fuck that dude it's it's something like i think we deal with a lot

because it is whenever we make what i i will make fun of anything i don't care did you see seinfeld yeah we talked about this i just seinfeld and eddie murray on comedians and cars getting coffee like we find the humor in absolutely everything i don't even like giving myself that level of credit where it's like i find the humor i just think it's funny yes i just i i feel like i feel like when you say i find the humor in something seinfeld can say that i can't because he can literally pick apart the nuances of the details and be like there's actually a punch line in here and that's and that's what this girl dina was doing and like not to put her on seinfeld's level seinfeld can do it better than anybody but you know she looked at that and was like what's funny about this guy oh why do you have the money on him oh if you had venmo he could have avoided that like that's what

you do in comedy you try to take something that's fucked up you try to like come up with an angle that no one else is thinking of and you make the person go oh shit i didn't even think of that you laugh first i mean seinfeld and and eddie murphy and then probably sit around being like that no one else is thinking of, and you make the person go, oh, shit, I didn't even think of that. You laugh. I mean, Seinfeld and Eddie Murphy and them probably sit around being like, let me try. It's a challenge for them. It's like, this is something that's horrendous. I bet you I can find the funny in it.

And it's like a game. It's like a challenge, like a sport for them. But regardless of if you're that funny or not, it's just what comedy is. It's like when somebody stands up and has a microphone like they're trying to make a joke right they're not it's not like when they get on stage it's like my task here is to try to make you laugh no matter what and it's like that doesn't it's not like that doesn't mean i'm not that i'm co-signing murder it doesn't mean that i'm racist it doesn't mean i'm sexist it's a game for me to try to take something and make you go oh my god i didn't even see that joke coming so it's like a what what i what i don't like is the people

defending her and i i i think it's even silly that you need defense but the people that when you're defending her and you're trying to be like it's not even a joke about the murder it's a joke about venmo i think that's stupid be like it's a funny joke but who cares right but you know what i'm saying where it's like you take a it's not a joke part of it's a joke about x and austin getting killed it's that that is i think it's i think it's a joke about a rapper paying fifty thousand dollars cash for a car that's the the getting shot with three thousand dollars is like the main premise of the joke it doesn't work without that so So like, it's like, it's a joke.

We made, we made, we made, we laughed at this. We laughed at this. I don't think everything needs to be separated. Well, actually it's a joke about Venmo.

It's not, it's a joke about fucking, but I think her, her intent matters. And her intent was not to be like, fuck this kid who like, like I love when rappers get murdered because like blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, That would be more like, I am mocking your death. Yeah, that I think is totally warranted, though. Right. So I think it's all warranted. I think it's all fine. I just think, like, if you're going to defend him, be like, he was funny. The way he was like, oh, so, like, a young black male being murdered is funny now?

It's like, no. What's funny is that he was, yeah, $50,000 in cash and, like, and, you know, was being, like, ridiculous and g ridiculous and gaudy and like that is what led to the circumstances for this joke. The punchline wasn't like, ha, ha, ha, young black man got murdered. I think just calling him a young black man isn't fair. Oh, that's so – it's so racially charged. It's such a loaded description. It's like – No, a young black man getting murdered isn't.

A dude who used to fucking rape and beat his wife. You can describe, you can describe. Kind of funny. Like, you know, a fucking white guy with a silly mustache. Like, that's fucking Hitler. You know what I mean? You can just boil anybody down into a description that doesn't make them sound bad or makes them sound above comedy. But at the end of the day, I don't think anybody's above comedy.

I literally don't think anything is above comedy. I think you can take the most fucked up subject, but you have to make it the funniest fucking joke you've ever made. And as the level of controversy of material comes down, so does the bar for how funny you need to be. I don't think the bar was all that high for XXXTentacion.

I think a quick little Venmo Yeah, you could have Venmo'd instead of having candy. That's appropriate for the type of life he lived it's a funny joke yeah I wasn't like oh

but it was just like oh yeah that's fine now her joke her other joke during the roast battle that was the most fucked up joke

I've ever heard it was strong to say I thought it was like a joke I googled it real quick when she was like

so Dave's mom died in a motorcycle accident. I was like, did she? Shit. His mom's doing riding motorcycles. That's what I was thinking, right? Got her fucked up. But shout out to Dave Kinney, who he's really getting fucking. Boy, that sucks.

Like that happened, what? I don't know, two years ago, let's say. And he was like, he probably just got over that. He probably just got over getting fucking roasted on stage by this girl talking about his dead mom. And now he's just right back into the cycle. Like everybody back on it. But what did he do? Just got over getting fucking roasted on stage by this girl talking about his dead mom. And now he's just right back into the cycle. Like everybody back on it. But what did he do?

He tried to like throw another jab back and rolled with it because he's a fucking real stand-up comedian. I didn't see what he said afterwards, but I feel like anything after that is like the fencing response. You're not even throwing a jazz back. It's just like you're laying down, knock that with your arms up. So he was like're you know what actually sucks i'll tell you what happened uh i guess dina i don't know this but it sounds like dina's dad left her left the family and he goes your dad abandoned you you put more you put more effort into that joke than your dad did his whole life raising you and i but i think that was like he had the dad abandoned joke and didn't want to go there yeah and then when she went there he was probably

like fuck i should have gone there you know but then by that point it was too late the mc comes on stage and he's like it's over so it's over like no more so you can tell he probably was like oh i should have played that card first you know i don't think it matters no her joke is superior but like that one first but after the fact it was it was like grasping it was like it was over over by then he should have just dropped the mic but shout out to him because that's how a real comedian would handle it not like the fucking james davis guy crying about it so xxx tentacion james davis anybody who supports that anybody cries about and then i mean the overwhelming irony in both scenarios of a comedian crying about a joke like you should not be in this business and fans crying about someone being insensitive and then issuing death threats

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This is not a correct stat. This is not a correct stat. If you started making $2,000 per hour and you saved every red cent of it and you started making that when the fucking Bill of Rights was written in 1791, if you saved it, every cent, making $2,000 an hour since 1791, you still wouldn't be a billionaire. That's just not true. No way. Look, $2,000 per hour times 24 hours, right? I'm assuming it's going 9 to 5. Okay, so even fine.

So we'll do 2,000 times. We'll do, what do you want to do? You want to do 8 hours? Maybe that is the difference, though. So 2,000 times 8 is going to give you uh sixteen thousand dollars per day right times five regular work week oh okay so that's where it's coming in because i was doing like 24 and seven and then it's like you get there real fucking quick so sixteen thousand times what i said five five days a week and then do that times 52. That's 80,000 times 52.

That would be $4,160,000. That's all you make? You only make $4 million a year if you make $2,000 an hour? I don't know. But, yeah. Yeah, because if you

only make $4 million a year, you're not going to be a billionaire. No, yeah, it's going to take a long time. That's why. That's so insane. I think in 2031, you'd become a billionaire.

If you started in the Bill of Rights, 2031. That's $2,000 an hour. Since the 1700s, you're still not a billionaire. And then you think of Bezos, who's like a $120 billionaire. You know what I mean? He's done this shit over and over and over and over and over again. That might be one of the craziest stats I've ever heard.

Is that a Rebell stat? He's probably so mad he didn't get that. No, it was Barstool's State of Metrics quote of the day. I don't know where it came from. We should just keep making these up, by the way, though. You can just change the dollar amount and extend the years. We could just do a new one of these and go viral every day. Did you know if you only made $1,000 an hour, it would take this much longer since the Magna Carta was we could do this all fucking day it's so hard to

become rich it's the hardest thing in the world except if you're like logan paul and it's just like i'm making videos fucking dick all right voicemails and then we'll do kathy griffin what we got you know first first time, long time. Here's a hypothetical for you boys. So, especially since you guys have been getting all these crazy new people to talk to and everything, of all of your guests, who would you choose to switch lives with for one year? But they also switch lives with you. And you both live out your lives as well as you can,

and then you switch back. So, in a way, you could, let's say, hypothetically take over Ashton Ronson, since he wanted to throw you through a wall, and make his life miserable, and then you switch back. But he could also do the same thing, or he could live your life. Either way, something else.

So... This is very difficult. I'm not vindictive enough to want to be someone new. It's whether or not you want to become someone to ruin them, or if you want to become someone to like live the high life and then you know i guess only living the high life for a year sucks or if you think that they could live your life better and then that's like i was back in it it's probably a recent bias but my first thing was logan paul yeah i mean great i talked to him an hour ago so he's probably that makes a lot of sense because it's like you know that he can do a podcast pretty well yeah like

he'll probably elevate the podcast. So when you come back a year later, you'll be in good standing. And right now you get to go live like a rich boy Beverly Hills life. Yeah. It's a pretty fucking good one. Basically, you go on vacation while Logan Paul grows your podcast. Yes, exactly. But now why would you maybe not just go like Leonardo DiCaprio from that interview?

Like if Leo did this podcast, people are going to be like – I don't think I care for Leo's life. People – I'm not – There's a take. I'm not – That might be the craziest take of all. I'm not as high on Leo as the world is. I think he's a very talented actor.

I think aside from that, he bores me. I don't have much interest in the things he has interest in well you're talking about the environment yeah stuff like that i don't i don't i don't think he's as good looking as people think he is i'm not anti-leo i think leo's incredibly talented i'm not like i just don't think leo's leo's that picture you sent me once him in a jacket you look dope in. I think most of the time I'm like, eh, he's not ugly. Don't get me wrong. Leo's persona is bigger than his looks are. Like, you know, like a Hemsworth is like, you know, you're like chiseled from stone.

You have the eyes and the jaw and all that shit. He doesn't have that. I think Clooney's hotter than Leo's. He has like 70. But Leo at his best has like a pretty boy, hot boy look to him, no doubt. But now, do people know that Leo's in John's body? Right. If it's just John, but he's tweaked, I think...

If Leo came in my body, people would be like, John just somehow just got really fucking annoying. He won't shut up about the environment. He won't shut up about Hollywood politics. He won't shut up about... If I just had Leo's personality, I think if I just had Leo's personality,

I think if I take Logan Paul's personality, I don't think people would be that, think it was that different. He's pretty happy. I know this is your new version, but like,

he's happy and like, energetic. Yeah, I think, I don't, I mean, basically it's because we're probably both,

we're just white dudes. Same guy. Yeah, same age, kind of, same like age bracket, same demo, same lifestyle. He says different words.

John always asks what's good. But the, well, what's really good. Imagine like Logan Paul comes back to his body and he's just like, I am so addicted to tobacco. What the fuck just happened? What the fuck, man? My gums are killing me. I am so...

Why is there a bottle of whiskey in my bed? I think as I talk through it, it's actually probably easier to pick an enemy and sabotage than it is to pick a high society kind of guy and think that you could fake your way through his lifestyle. Oh, I could fake my way through Leo's lifestyle. Yes. You would think that if could fake your way through his lifestyle. Oh, I could fake my way through Leo's lifestyle. Yes. You would think that if we just magically switched,

you would think I was being really weird if Leo was in my body. If I was in Leo's body, people would think it's the same. Because I am a goddamn motherfucking chameleon. You can drop me into any fucking zone. I agree. I would be like – That's our skill. That's our talent.

Yeah. He fits in perfectly. I'll fit in fucking anywhere. I pose that challenge. Yeah. Find somewhere I will not fit in. I can fit in fucking anywhere. I find – I feel like on the – as far as the internet goes, people think I'm very, like, polarizing.

I've just done a lot of people on the internet that hate me. But if you put me in, like, any party in any room anywhere i'll i can i know how to i'm not saying i'll own the room no but but at no point will you be like get that guy out of here yeah agreed because the overwhelming like theme there is that you know when to shut the fuck up yeah like if you walked in you're like all right like let me work this room make some friends and then if it wasn't working you'd be like like, I'm going to go drink in the corner. I'm not going to say anything further to get these people to want to kick me out. I think some people might drink. I know how to hold a drink in a fashion that makes you think he's really listening.

He's interested in what I'm saying. I am not. And you're staring right through your eyes. I'm thinking about when I'm going to go get another one of these drinks I am one of the world's best actors That's why I'd fit in Leo's skit You'd win the Oscar? I'm an incredible actor

Imagine Leo hadn't won his Oscar yet And you went into Leo's body The fact that most conversations don't stop Halfway through with someone going You don't give a shit about this do you Means that I'm one of the greatest actors in the world Because guess what He doesn't give a shit about this, do you? It means that I'm one of the greatest actors in this movie. Because guess what? He doesn't give a shit.

And it's not even me. It's you. You're boring. It's not me being disinterested in interesting things. It's you not saying interesting things. I have an appropriate amount of interest in what you're saying. It's just a boring thing. It's a boring thing you're saying. I think that some people might think of being a

chameleon as a bad thing. Like you're a conformist or whatever. Like, yeah, I know I am. And that's what you should be. People who are anti-conformists are the fucking stupidest people in the world. They're such assholes. It's like if you walk into a quiet room, like you should be quiet. If you walk into a big party, you can be loud.

If you walk into a place where people are telling jokes, you can tell them. If you walk into a fucking funeral, you should shut your mouth. It's not really being a chameleon as much as it's social – taking social cues. Yeah. And a staggering number of people can't do it. Staggering. It's the – How do you not know how to dress?

How do you not know how to speak? How do you not know how to behave yet? It's actually really weird that it's a braggadocious thing to be like, I know how to hang out in our room. Yeah. I'm great at it. It really is. I'm unbelievable at it. Get me in your living room. Get me in the kitchen. And I'll know what to say out in our room yeah i'm great at it it really is get me in your in the

living room get me in the kitchen and i'll like know what to say and what not to say i'm i'm the best in the business it's second best i will i would you like i'll fucking give the keynote address at the environmental conference people be like yep makes sense like yo we gotta i don't know about that i feel like there's a limit to your i don't think it like if i if i was just like all right you know you got to deliver the the speech here for our quarterly earnings because we're talking to our stockholders you wouldn't know the fuck i mean you had to give me the figures but yeah i could but yo we're doing great these you see these dummies going with it these dummies are fantastic i love the confidence now because i mean like can we just can we just like copy that very very like can we just be logan paul now Can we just Be Logan Paul

If we just start vlogging every day It's gotta be genuine I would have to be in Leo's skin Not my skin Yeah we could start copying Logan Paul If I get Logan Paul's skin deliver that to me I'll deliver you his personality If we were to do a vlog every day

Like I said it was just kind of Behind the scenes here at Barstool. That's not the same. You can't fake it. I know, again, I mean, I'm a chameleon, but it does. I think that it runs out. I think that if you drop me into a Logan Paul sort of thing and you were like, be this fucking loud, braggadocious entertainer, I don't think I'd be good at that. No, I think I would.

But if I, again, if I had his, yeah, it's almost like the Big Daddy sunglasses. Exactly. Everyone thinks I'm cool, so I can be cool now. Yeah. If you look at me, you don't think cool. You look at Logan Paul, you think cool. So if I know that you're looking at me and thinking cool, I could be cool. I think – I'm really convinced of myself.

I might start going to – I might start teaching acting school. I was going to say go, but I already got that. Just Johnny Ops. Start acting. Just be an actor. Be an actor. Give me a character to play. I'll play the rest of the scene. All right. teaching acting school i was gonna say go but i already got that johnny oscar if you're like just be an actor be an actor give me a character to play i'll play the rest of the thing all right we'll take you to hollywood heavy on your accents right now what else well no you just did the irish accent again on cck right it was case i i didn't want to do it casey kind of made me i i think things like that have to come out sparingly do you want to do uh like the rest of the episode as um as a uh a academy award-winning actor playboy who's like fuck tons of models no because that's

sure see you later you're not here i'm out of the stupid podcast game i gotta go i gotta treat you that's your little loophole you're gonna be like wow you know what's real though yeah like an academy award winning playboy how many how many podcasts

has Leo done zero zero see you later not even how many podcasts has Leo host how many podcasts has Leo ever been on

appeared on yeah zero I've never even heard him on the radio or anything no he's too big over it but you don't like him

you're out on Leo I'm not out on Leo. I don't want that to be. See, this is that black and white shit, the world we live in. I'm not as enthralled with Leo as most people. I love Leo's movies. I think he's incredibly talented in what he is. Him off screen doesn't interest me so much.

My mom said that Jason Bateman's hotter than him. Bateman? And Bateman's a good looking guy. She's heavy on Jason Bateman. How come? What brought that up on? I think just like the 80s. What?

Jason Bateman in the 80s. What was Bateman in the 80s? He was, what was that show with the twins? Mm-hmm. Hogan's. Yeah, something like that.

Hogan's. She's been on this show. It was the Hogan family? No. Yeah, it was the Hogan family. And I think that was one of those shows that changed because they had to recast like the mom from it. So they family? No. Yeah, it was the Hogan family. And I think that was one of those shows that changed because they had to recast the mom from it.

So they pivoted. I think it was about the mom. And then it was like, oh, this is about Jason Bateman. She's been big on him for a long time now. But I love Bateman. He's hotter than Leo. That's tough. It's a tough sell.

Yeah, it's a tough sell. But she also was bullying a seven-year-old the other day, my mom. Oh? She was at the playground and this uh this this this uh this bratty little like seven-year-old was being a dick and she was like bullying around shay and my mom went to this seven-year-old and said something like that's not nice and nobody here likes you so go away to a seven-year-old and i was like god damn she's like well she deserved it i was like she probably did but she's seven no one likes you no one likes you so go away i think she said like no one here likes you nobody wants to play with you so go away

as a seven-year-old that's a tough one one. Tough one, but, you know, listen, you come at the queen, you best not miss. You start fucking around with Grandma McKay and her C's fucking grandkids, you're going to get the smoke. Polly had a weekend, a Polly moment this weekend. Oh, boy. She just saw my brother walking to a bridge. It's like, it's over by the beach.

We go to Baker's Beach down in Westport. There's a bridge. People like it's uh over by the beach we go to baker's beach down westport um there's a bridge people jump off and my mom just she was driving home from the beach my brother was still there and she just texted him i think when a mom sees her son walking to the bridge she's supposed to say it's for a good reason right and that was it didn't even stop i texted my sister last night mom loves loves suicide jokes, but with Logan Paul. Oh! I texted my sister last night. She works in a hospital.

I was watching Big Little Lies, and there's a scene in that show where you can tell a person is thinking about maybe smothering someone with a pillow. And the whole time, I'm like, you can't do this, can you? You're going to get caught. So I text her. I'm like they're uh they're cameras in hospitals like in all the rooms she's like i i think in like certain rooms there's certain security measures i was like if you smothered someone with a pillow would you would they would see that you would get caught right she was like are you about to do

something crazy it's like no i'm watching a TV show. I swear. I swear. That's also where I'm at in life. People think I might be trying to murder others in hospitals. Let's do another voicemail. Hey, what's up? KFC by Super Nintendo BC. First time, long time. This is Dom from Mass.

So I saw something earlier on Reddit. Thought you guys would like it. So you just found out your eight-month-old baby was switched at birth at the hospital with another couple's baby. What are you doing? You keep the one you have. Let another couple raise your kid.

This is fucked. Give away the child you've been raising. Get your biological child back. You ever see that movie with... Eight months? Don't fucking take this thing back. Eight months?

You ever see that movie where the... I think it's Alicia Vikendar or whatever her name is. I know who that is. And the guy who plays... I think Michael Fassbender is in it. I don't know.

They basically kidnap a baby or a baby washes up on shore or something and they fucking start raising it. She couldn't have a kid and then 10 years later, the real parents come back. Yeah, if it's like eight years later, maybe I'll take that kid. Eight months, I probably don't even like the thing yet. That's actually a good point. Moms have a connection right away, but I don't think I started liking my kids until right around eight months i probably even like the thing yeah uh that's actually a good point moms i have a connection right away but i don't think i started liking my kids till right around eight months eight months that's when it is like of course you love them and shit you want to protect them but they don't really you know until they have like a personality you don't start to

like individually love them so i think you could send it back yeah i mean eight months i i don't i'm being very real with you you don't love your kid until eight months you don't know. I'm being very real with you. You don't love your kid until eight months. You don't individually love that personality of a person until eight months. Yes, I'm sure there's the primal instinct to protect and whatnot. Yes, but at that point, it's just an eating and shitting and crying machine. They're all the same. They're all the same at that point. I can't even think of anything I'd like in eight months. It takes a while.

It's a long time for you to warm up. It takes a while for me to get there and it takes a while like the baby person like me either the baby's probably like but it's tough like i'm sure it would be very difficult at the time you grow to be somewhat attached but kids are so difficult i need that baby to be mine yeah i need to i need to know that that baby's mine in those dark moments so much effort yeah if i knew someone else throw it and stuff you know especially if especially if i i always kid isn't even mine that's why i can't have a kid i would definitely shake a baby i know i would i'd be like yo shut the fuck yo i when i don't i don't condone it but i always said when you see those stories like mom drives the whole fucking minivan into the lake.

Like, I get it, man. I fucking get it. I won't do it, but I get it. Before you had kids, you could think of, like, you know, luckily you didn't have to take care of any of them, but you thought of all kids. It's, like, precious and sweet and innocent. Once you have kids, you're like,

they're the only ones I eat slightly. I like my kid and that kid. When I take them to a birthday party, I'm like, why do you eat all these kids? Yeah. I would do nothing to help any of these children. I do not think, like, ooh, sweet. I don't know if I even want to have kids.

Don't do it. I don't know when it's supposed to kick in. Maybe it will at some point. That's different for guys. You don't ever have, like, baby fever when you're a kid. Yeah, I definitely don't have this. You'll probably be made to have kids. What's that?

Yeah, that's how it happens. I don't think I'm going to let someone make me have a child. I think that's such a huge thing. You can't, like, let someone make you a child. Oh, John. I have to be, like, you can't just be like, we're having a kid. That's kind of exactly how it happens. It happened to me twice.

Yeah, that's going to happen. It's going to happen. I dare someone to make me have a child. I am going to run this podcast back one day. You can – no, I'm not saying – I'm not putting in stone right now I'm never having kids. No, but I'm putting in stone that when you do have a kid, it will be because a girl is making you to do so. I can't have a kid. I'm not mature enough, responsible enough. I can't have a child. She'm not mature enough, responsible enough.

I can't have a child. She's going to be like, bro, it is go time. My clock is ticking. It's either that or we're splitting up, and you're going to be like, all right. All right, well, I don't know. See ya. If you try to force me to have a child, I'm just not. That is how the world has continued to spin.

That's how humankind is continuing to grow. It's by women being like, yo, it's time, let's go. And guys being like, alright, I guess not. That's rape. Yeah, it's definitely rape. That's rape. You can't rape a baby out of me. Bro, they can and they will.

They can and they will. It might happen accidentally. But I'm... It's going to be a full-blown, on-purpose... If I don't want to have a kid... Rape baby. If I don't want to have... It's going to be out of context.

Brendan's head's down. That is... That is... Everyone down in Alabama talking about rape babies. I'm talking about the other direction, the other version. It's not happening to me. It's absolutely not happening to me. No one's taking my semen against my will.

It's the same thing as fucking getting married, where it's just like, well, I don't really want to do this, but I guess I will because this girl's pregnant. I'm not going to do that either. Yes, you are. If I don't want to get married, I'm not going to get married. I can't believe how dumb you sound. I'm going this for you look it happened to you baby you're just my cautionary tale it happens to all of us if i look i i didn't know this is like a thing but i am not getting married unless i want to and i'm not having a baby unless i want to i am not doing either of those things without consent. This is not happening.

Okay. All right. I don't know. We'll put that down in the book. Yeah. I'll go back to that. I think it's crazy

this is out of context. You got against your consent married and against your consent babied. That's a little bit on you. It's on every guy. What were you wearing? It's on every guy.

Every guy. I'm going too deep with the rape thing. We're going to back off that. I was asking for it. I deserved it. Last voicemail before we get it to Kathy Griffin, as if this show hasn't been ridiculous enough.

That was all in Leo character, by the way. That wasn't me. That was acting. All right, last voicemail is brought to you by Raycon. Everybody needs a good pair of wireless buds. I leave the resistance with the wired, wireful earbuds. But here's the thing. I fully acknowledge that everyone thinks you're poor if you have wires.

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Buyraycon.com slash KFC for 15% off. That's exactly what Leo said. Frank from Peeville. So first off, you know, great show. Keep it up. I love listening to the show. So anyway, I got a hypothetical for you. So would you rather, would you rather keep, you know, keep it the way it is your hair cycle of cutting and growing back and cutting and growing back, not just for your head, but for all over your body? Or would you rather shave it as, you know, whatever way you want, and then it never grows back. So think about this.

If you don't like your chest hair, you can shave it once, and bam, it's gone forever. So this is just body hair versus head hair, right? Dick hair. Dick hair, get it? You got a hairy dick. Yeah, I mean, it's like – I mean, it would be very nice to manscape one time and be done with it forever, but not at the cost of, like, I mean, it would be very nice to manscape one time and be done with it forever, but, uh, not at the cost of like never having hair in your head. Or is it just like if I, if I were to lock in, you could lock in one haircut.

Manscaping takes 30 seconds. Yeah. What are you fucking putting in shapes and designs down there? It takes, it's like, it's literally like six fucking raises. You're like a cat though. You don't have any, you know, any hair. What do you a cat, though. You don't have any hair. What is it? You got to worry about your chest. You got to worry.

Yeah. You do all that shit? Yeah. It's a bitch. So if I could be done. Sure. Yeah. You?

Yeah. What is wrong with you people? You just grow hair. You don't. Right. You grow hair. You shave your arms and backs and stuff. Yeah.

I don't really do my arms, but... No, yeah, I mean... But the rest is like, you gotta take care of it, yeah. Shoulders? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You guys are sick fucks. My dad...

No, I mean, the sick thing would be to not do it. Right. It's a problem. You think I should just let it fly? Like, no way, dude. No way. So how long? Give me a week. long how long you shaving

oh i know it's not like in every that's the thing it's still not like a it's a pain when you have to do it but it's i don't know yeah for me it's like am i going to the beach or right if i don't do that then i'm like yeah this doesn't matter do you do in the winter yeah i i'm kind of i just kind of do it. I feel like I'm a chick where it's just like I'm not doing it for someone else. I'm doing it for myself. Speak for me. I feel gross if I'm not like – it's like, yeah, maybe no one's going to see this.

But if they do – I actually am always like, well, I don't know. I work for Barstool. They might make me just fucking – they might pull my pants off in the middle of workday. I don't know. You know what I mean? I can't have a fucking bush. Who knows? Oh, yeah.

See, I only – I don't shave like i got a bush right now oh you are you are he said that if you were watching barcelona goal he was like so sassy you're talking to a man with a bush at the moment i mean it's not really a bush oh it's probably a big fucking red bush it's not oh it's like gray it's weird gray you got a gray bush it's not gray you, it's like gray. It's weird. Gray? You got a gray bush? It's not gray. You got like an old like wizard's beard down there? It's not even like. Gandalf the gray? Oh my God. Barstoolgold.com.

No. Don't make them. We have to cut that. We have to cut that. I want to cut that from my brain. It's not gray, right? It's not gray. It was like red.

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John, fix this. Was that weird? I just showed you my dick. It's just hair. Yeah, it's almost worse. I'd rather see a dick than the patch of hair that's in between your belly button and your dick. All right. Noted.

Understood. Holy moly. Let's absolutely move on. Why? Hang on. What was the question? Okay. Yeah, I think you're definitely not going to – you want to be able to change your hairstyle.

Oh, no doubt. And you also don't need to manscape, so this is perfect for you. This question doesn't apply to you. you basically applies to a guy i think the real question is like could you lock into one haircut for the rest of your life right which like you could pick a pretty like classic look but you know there might be a time where you want to let it flow or a time where you you're out of style for a little bit you feel like an asshole imagine if you're just like i'm locked in guys like i gotta have this bowl cut you know what i mean like if in the 90s i was like nah bowl cuts would be cool forever let's do it you'd be a real big ass man with a bullet yeah well think about some of the pictures that that fleishman brings

up all the time right and you were like i think this looks good i know i know i think about that now i'm like maybe i'll look back at my hair in 10 more years from this i think that was stupid to go back to your clothes you always think you look stupid. But, yeah, I'll just deal with the rest of the body hair and be able to adjust my hair. Okay, it's time for Kathy Griffin. It's time for KFC Radio featuring Kathy Griffin, which is a phrase I never, ever anticipated. I didn't anticipate it the first five times we were asked to do it. So there was a little bit of a – there was a little bit of a there was a little bit of a there's a saga that goes along with this. And after you listen to the interview, we'll come back and discuss a little further.

But when we first heard that she was doing this press tour and that she was available, we thought not really a great fit. Demo wise, sense of humor-wise. I know she's very successful, and she did TV back in the day, but she's gotten pretty political, and just no thanks. So our booker was – she was insisting on it, though. She's like, look at what she's done. She's been a great guest for other – She's worked with her before. Right.

So – and I'm always – I'm very much all about compelling people now. You don't have to necessarily be a perfect fit. You don't have to be best friends. But if you've got a story to tell and she does and that's what she's promoting, this movie called The Hell of a Story, because it really is all the shit that went on with her. Whether you agree, disagree, whether you're down or not, like or not, think she's funny, whatever. It's it's a one of a kind story. It is for sure a saga that will go down in history. So I said, fuck it. Let's talk. So is for sure a saga that will go down in history. So I said, uh, fuck it.

Let's talk. So we'll leave it at that. We'll come back and talk more about it, but I don't want to, I just want people to listen to it on their own and draw their own conclusions, but we will discuss afterwards, uh, where we're at. So Kathy Griffin is brought to you by clutter, whether you are maybe moving to a new apartment, or let's say you're having a baby, or you're just looking to clean up your life, clean up your apartment, get a little more organized and structured,

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I do think people probably think it's a funny fit, but I'm always interested in... I love highlight. I'm here to talk nothing but highlight. There are a few sports ever. Yeah, sports is not the... Now, what is in season right now? I'm just curious. Baseball.

Really? Well, you really don't know. People watch that still. Yeah? Okay. Big time. Is there any other sports after that or no? No, that's it.

Actually, it's over. There's no more sports after that. I thought they were going to finally just kind of do less because it's very time consuming. You know how it is. It certainly is. So as we were walking in here, you said something interesting. I said, how are you doing? You said, I'm working and I'm back on my grind.

That's right. I'm back on the D-list and I'm just trying to make things happen, which has got to be an interesting experience. Honey, I have been through a federal investigation, under investigation for two months on the no-fly list like a terrorist, investigated by the Secret Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office, interrogated under oath, and they were considering charging me with conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States, which holds a lifetime sentence. Yeah. So I made a movie about it called Kathy Griffin, A Hell of a Story.

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You don't know what to do with me, do you? You two are looking at me like, what are we going to do with this hack? I think it's interesting that you leaned into it because I think some people would probably, I don't know, I think some people would maybe try to just be like, fuck that, I'm going to move on. That never happened. Close that off. That was Riva. You definitely

do have to lean into it. That's the way to do it. Yeah. That was Riva. Yeah. You definitely do have to lean into it. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Well, it was okay. I think that was a smart move to begin with. Well, when you're in the no-fly list, you can't tour anyway. How much of it do you think was way over the line? How much do you think?

Do you feel any responsibility for any of it? Well, here's what I want people to know. Number one, I think that I'm happy to take responsibility for offending people. I've been doing that for decades. I don't even mean the offense. I mean, like, the Secret Service investigation. Do you think that I'm happy to take responsibility for offending people. I've been doing that for decades. I don't even mean the offense. I mean like the Secret Service investigation. Do you think that was over the line? Oh, I know it was.

I mean I know I could sue the president for abuse of power and Jefferson Borgard Sessions. And I've talked to Zabutros about it. So that might be coming down the line too. So the reason I made the film is I do want people to know I didn't break the law. A lot of people thought that. And you can be as offended by the photo as you want. That is completely fine. Doesn't bother me one bit.

I didn't violate the First Amendment in any way. And I think it's important that people know the actual parameters of the First Amendment. You can't yell fire in a theater. People get trampled and get killed. But you can take that picture. And God forbid you or one of your kids, you guys are young guys, but if you had a young cousin or – He's got to. There you go.

Put that picture up online. They shouldn't have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and have no-knock raids and be interrogated under oath and be threatened with a crime like this and be on the Interpol list. I was also on the Interpol list when I went to tour overseas and detained at every single airport. And I also want people to know, especially young people, know your rights because they can take your phone. They can take your SIM card. They took my phone and SIM card at every airport. Oh, and I think you said it was – I watched the docket part. Yeah.

So it was – It was London Heathrow. It was JFK. It was LAX. It was Singapore. And they can take your passport. And they don't need to let you make a phone call or tell you anything. To this day, I don't know what was on my passport.

I filed FOIAs, and I still don't know. So it must have been bad. Now, do you – you got attacked a lot afterwards. Oh, yes. Oh, it still goes on. Don't worry. The Trumpers are still a little obsessed. Now obsessed now obviously there are absolute lunatics online but you do you like understand why like some people would be angry because it happens to us all the time we're like someone

will attack barcelona yeah and then our fans will go crazy and we'll be like i didn't want you to do that obviously trump is a different case he did not he did want them to do that yes we'll be like shut up like don't let us fight our fight right but like you like someone you offend a fan group sometimes they'll get mad. Now I'm not. I am as anti-Trump as it gets. But I still, at the same time, I'm like, I get why people got mad about that. Why?

Why holding up someone's face? Why are you so ignorant? What's that? No, honey, I'm sorry. What were you saying? Why would someone, like, you get why people got mad. Why is he ignorant to think that people would get offended by holding up a severed head? Yeah.

I mean, like, that's, I mean, you're intentionally trying to rob people of. There's Medusa and Perseus. There's a David Spade movie called Eight Heads in a Duffel Bag. There's a scene in Death Becomes Her where Meryl Streep's head goes down a bowling alley. This is actually kind of common imagery for comedy. But I also feel that there's a lot of kind of comics. And I think it's great. There's comics that don't swear and there's prop comics and there's all kinds of comics.

But I've always been the kind to kind of push the envelope and stuff. So you know that. I absolutely know. But you also know that you were going to offend somebody. Yes, but I ran it by my lawyers and I knew that I was well within my rights. But no, I'm not speaking legally. That's the thing. So I think right now you're talking about your rights and very extreme stuff that I understand you had to go through.

But I'm thinking just more of like you were you were doing a comedy bit in your mind. But you know that you're active. Like some people thought it was a joke. Some people thought it was a statement. So I will say it's when you were doing it. For me, for me, it was more of a statement, you know, being a woman. And, you know, even though I don't like Megyn Kelly still, when he said, you know, blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever, I thought, you know, he's all about humiliation, right? I mean, everything that's happening now with the concentration camps and the racism, et cetera.

I mean, when you think back on the picture, it really is kind of harmless compared to what he's doing now in this administration. I'm 58 years old. I remember watching Watergate as a little girl. I can't believe something worse is now in this administration. I'm 58 years old. I remember watching Watergate as a little girl. I can't believe something worse is happening in my lifetime. So I did feel kind of obligation to make a strong statement. And I felt like people weren't, you know, and I know I'm just a comic. I tell dick jokes, fine. But I thought a lot of people are still sort of thinking, oh, this guy's harmless or he's kind of funny. I've also known this fool off and on for like 25 years. He hired me one time to roast him for an episode of The Apprentice. So he knows my shtick. He knows my gig. He could

have called me if he thought he was offended. He could have had someone from the White House call me. But to just open an investigation with no pretense, no way to have a conversation with the Secret service and explain myself in any way which all the other folks the dudes who allegedly threatened him you know he's not going to go after snoop dogg he's not going to go after johnny depp or morrissey or peter but also like i don't think they threatened him to the extent of holding his head up i don't i don't remember what they said i remember your picture yeah. Right. So you see why I made a stronger statement. That's why I sold tickets all around the world.

So I have to say that one of the reasons I toured overseas first is, number one, I have to admit, the picture that almost took me down allowed me to play a lot of countries, many non-English speaking countries that I would never be able to play before. So I, you know, I got to give them that much. But everywhere I went overseas, when they would even hear my American accent, I mean every country, they would just stop me if I was in a cafe or whatever and just say, what is going on over there? And remember, you're talking about I was in Auckland, New Zealand, where they can enact gun control in a week. I was in Australia where I think their elections are like 72 hours or something like that. So that was really cathartic and enlightening. You picked the right, you played to the right crowd. I mean, going international right now as an anti-Trump person is a smart business move. Yeah, I mean, he made me unemployable and uninsurable.

And one of the messages and one of the reasons I wanted to make this. Well, I mean, he didn't make you. It was your action, right? No, he did. It was literally an abuse of power. So he broke the law by doing that to a private citizen. It's the first time it's ever happened in history, which is another reason that I wanted to do it. Because like when you think about Lenny Bruce, right, he was harassed by the local PD. I talked

to the great Jane Fonda and she said, well, my problems were with police departments, not the feds. And I talked to the great David Steinberg, a comedian, and he said, well, I was on the Nixon list, but that was a secret list. At least he wasn't broadcasting it to the great David Steinberg, a comedian, and he said, well, I was on the Nixon list, but that was a secret list. At least he wasn't broadcasting it to the world and, like I said, making you unemployable and uninsurable. And also spreading the rumor, like they made a connection within 24 hours that I was in ISIS. And I show that in the film, and I wasn't even aware of it until I was doing the documentary part. Who made that connection? That the Trump wood chipper, as I call it,

so whether it was Brad Parscale or Harvey Levin or AMI or all these guys that flipped for the Bob Mueller report, I'm in there somewhere. They spread the image and manipulated however they want. And it was in Arabic papers saying Kathy Griffin is a jihad asset. That's really putting someone's life in danger. And it was in, you know, Moscow papers and it was in Chinese papers and all over the world. So was that just because of the symbolism of holding up a beheaded head? Yeah. And it's also because they have the ability to do that.

So I obviously don't have that ability. And I will say, you know, I knew what I was doing when I took the photo, but I will be honest, I really did not expect this level of response. Do you really? I honestly, no. See, I remember when, I remember like when Obama were some rednecks or whatever would hang him. And that would be national news and they're not celebrities. So I would picture a celebrity doing it would be huge.

That's one of the reasons I did it. I thought, man, all those times where everybody's got the racist uncle, right? And they send you some dumb meme with Michelle Obama as a freaking gorilla or something. I thought, man, eight years went by and it was always kind of an underground thing. And I thought, well, you know, let's see how he likes it, you know. And so I really did do it just to shame him. I also know I know exactly what gets under his skin. And I've tussled with him a couple of times.

And when I knew him before in my NBC Universal days, I just called him the orange realtor. And, you know, he's really, really stupid. Like, he's aggressively stupid. You don't regret it, but do you think you bit off more than you can chew? Like, if you could go back and do it all. I mean, I guess you answered that when you said you didn't regret it. But if I could rewind time to that day, would you still do it? Yes, absolutely.

You're crazy. That's fucking crazy to still sign up for for you know interrogations and no fly and like fucking isis i know it's it's worth you know do you think it's worth it really that that still believe it i mean i get confronted on the street um you know people calling me terrorists and grown people people my age i uh did a speech at oxford about the first amendment and i didn't even go to college. And I was with my assistant, Caleb, and he's right over there, and he was new,

and the two of us were in a car. So you're not doing your own socks anymore? I did my own socks because they had to be done. I do what needs to be done, darn it. I brought my own poster. Anyway, so I'm on the way from London Heathrow to the hotel, and the driver says he's from Morocco. And so I'm joking and say, well, let me apologize for Trump.

Sorry about the whole Africa as shithole countries. And he said, what are you talking about? He's the greatest president the world's ever seen. And I said, oh, and he said, if we were in Morocco, I would cut your tongue out. That was a long drive. So I just texted. I don't think I would want that. That's not worth it.

Do you think that you are that you are that more like good is coming out of this? Like, do you think that you you beat him at all or won at all? Oh, I think I prevailed against the president of the United States and the Department of Justice and the attorney general. So I'm now not afraid of anything because you prevail here because I was able to tour the world for the first time the tour that grossed 4.4 million dollars which I had a great time doing that's it that's it so to me it would be like would you you know deal with you know the interrogation and all that shit for four million dollars well I would think about it I don't know I would probably do like 10 million I don't know if four is enough but I don't think I would have done it when I was younger you know

when you've been in this business it's a very male-dominated field, stand-up, as you know. I'm 58 years old. And I think when I was younger, I probably wouldn't have done it. But you kind of get to a point where, you know, I got the Emmys and the Grammy and I'm in the Guinness Book of World Records, most comedy specials of any comedian, male or female. And you get to a point where you're like, okay, what's next? And I think it kind of gives me a little bit of a fearlessness. I mean, I could get shot tomorrow. I certainly get those invites every day.

But on the other hand, I do feel like this. How many of those do you think are legitimate? Are there any that legitimately strike fear into you or are you like, it's just an asshole? Well, the Cesar Sayek, the pipe bomber one. Because when I found out that I was on his kill list was three weeks prior to the day I actually filmed the comedy part of the film. And I opened the comedy part with that story, which is Twitter.

And you were overseas at this point, right? No, I was back in America. Oh, you were back. Okay. Yeah. And I funded it myself because nobody would touch me because I'm so toxic. Even though I've made about $75 million over my career and they all were happy to take their 10%. Well, yeah.

Goddamn, Cassie Griffin. You are paid. I'm a catch. No, so anyway, I'm a little risky. I'm a little risky. But, you know, and when the FBI came over the very day that I was filming and they do what's called a no-knock, that means there's what's called an imminent threat. So they had already captured the pipe bomber, Cesar Sayek, and I didn't even catch this.

He had said he was going to kill me three times on Twitter. And they said during the interrogation he mentioned me again and said that he had shared his kill list with like-minded people. So I said, well, I have a performance this evening. Is there anything I should know? And they said, you know, it's an open investigation. And I got to tell you, I was almost so used to the FBI folks coming over to my house. They would never laugh at this joke. I would go norm norm, like cheers, and they never thought that was funny. But I was very glad to have them. I'm not against the government.

The FBI, I think, saved my life, frankly. They came over many times, and they would help me sort out, literally, the imminent threats from the sort of we're not sure, we'll discuss the threats, to the threats that just ended up in my act. And then they told me to open my mailbox 10 feet away. I will say that. I don't even do say that I don't have a 10 foot arm. That's tough advice. This is a sports show.

Maybe there's a basketball player somewhere that has a 10 foot arm. I do not have one. But I could get a grabber. I can't believe that you think this is all still worth it. I mean, I'm just not desperate times call for desperate measures. So honestly, I yeah, there's just look, the shame of our country, in my opinion, slavery, internment camps and now this. And so it gets worse every day. And like I said, I kind of know this dude.

I know he doesn't have a brain cell working. I know the crowd he runs with. But this but this it's not going to stop it. I mean, like that's I don't agree with his politics either. But I'm also just like I don't think any stand up act, any video, any anything. What do you think? What do you what gives you hope like that we can come together? Or do you think there's like a certain call to action?

Yeah, I mean, you're talking about the wrong show. We're on a hopeless haven here. I mean, I do. I just don't think like I think that you you probably wanted to make a statement. Yeah, I think you did it. And I think like he responded way over the top. And then you were like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And and like. But so I think it seems like you're kind of saying both things where it's like. If you were truly just doing this to be like, I'm an activist, I want to stir the pot.

I'm ready for the interrogations because I'm making a political statement. I get it. But it more sounds like you were doing a comedic bit that was political and that was inflammatory. And then when shit went down, you were like, oh, fuck. That's correct. Those are two different things, though, you know? You're correct. You got me because the second one is correct, which is when I did it, I truly didn't think it would have that much of a reaction.

Really? I wasn't even on TV at the time. You know, I was like in between shows. You made $75 million. You're Kathy Griffin. You also know him, though. I get most of it. I mean, you said you know what goes under his skin.

You know how he reacts. You know how he behaves. To think that he wasn't going to like put every ounce of his being into stopping you was kind of naive. I thought he'd be busy presidenting. I thought he'd be spending a little time presidenting. And also, like I said, it's never happened in history. I think he chose me because I'm a 58

year old woman and I have no movie franchise behind me, no big producer, no big hit show that can sort of gather around me or anything like that. So in that way, I get the deal. There's no doubt that that all helped. But again, I think that he obviously targets women. There's 100% that's a helped. But again, I think that he obviously targets women.

There's 100% that's a fact. But I do think that what you did was a little, I think there's a line, I think it went over a bit. I mean, it would be impossible for him to ignore that, right? I think if Jason Bateman grabs a head. You're a DJ with a sports show. What's that? I just teased you. No, I didn't hear you.

I go, why would I care what you think? You're a DJ with a sports show. That's fine, but you're here. I know, but I just want you. No, I didn't hear you. I go, why would I care what you think? You're a DJ with a sports car. That's fine, but you're here. I know, but I just want you to know that I totally agree, and I think anybody can feel that way they want. I just want people to know, and I wanted to put it in this movie, I didn't break the law if you do something that's too far, and we've all done things that are too far in some way, shape, or form,

but there's a difference between yelling fire in a theater where people really get trampled and killed, and that's why it's against the law.'re not talking about it doesn't sound like you actually agree with like you can believe that when i did it i did not know the wall of shit that was going to fall on me you are absolutely correct i also am a long-time improviser so as a comedian my act is very improvisational and i had to sort of start improvising my safety, my life, my relationships. You know, I lost about 75% of my friends that never came back.

So don't you think that's even a sign there? Like if 75% of my friends were like, dude, you fucked up. I'd be like, I might've done the wrong thing. Well, at Hollywood, it's a little different. It's not the biggest crowd of readers and not so into reading, writing. And so it gave me some clarity. And also, you know, if you're not going to stand up for something, then sit down. Like I said, it might be a into reading, writing. And so it gave me some clarity. And also, you know, if you're not going to stand up for something, then sit down. Like I said, it's, it's might be

a generational thing too, where I go, all right, this is just different animal, this situation. And I personally, you know, I'm going to bitch about sexism and misogyny, but I personally have felt it my whole life, but never like this before. And I thought, man, I worked so hard to get whatever I have. And this environment is pushing me and other women and people of color and gay folks. And the majority is marginalized. And the minority, the Trumpers, you know, I mean, he actually stole Nixon's slogans, you know, the silent majority. No, they're the loud minority. So I really did feel at that time, and I still feel, that I don't

know that people are quite getting it yet. You know, I mean, I always tell people elections aren't every four years or two years, they're every year, and you better get involved and get involved down ballot as well. So when you go through something like this, you got to know your rights. And I did, I learned the hard way, and I did pay the price, and I'm still paying it in some ways. But I also can't walk away from it. And you're right. It's going to be part of my, whatever you want to call it, brand or whatever the rest of my life. I'll probably be associated with this photo more than anything in my whole body of work.

But you're also, like we said, you're leaning into that because the dress is going to the Smithsonian, right? Yeah. That's pretty great. I know. I'm like flattered by that. And I'm opening Tina Brown's 51 Fest on Thursday night. And I'm in the Michael Moore Traverse City Film Festival and Outfest is before theater in L.A. And like I said, for this film to be shown in 700 theaters across America is astonishing to me.

I mean, it's good business to be anti-Trump. I feel like I don't think it's I don't think it's rare. Like you said, it's it's a loud minority. It's also it is. We are all in this reality show. I mean, I'm sure you guys were watching the news even just yesterday we don't even know what's going to happen today or tomorrow and that's a level of uncertainty were you surprised there wasn't an uh like you that you had the staying power that there wasn't just something the next day that kind of took over the news cycle like the fact that this picture and you stuck i think that was by design though like now that i've seen and you guys know like for a while honestly it was like me cap and madonna you know or like me cap and rosie you know and so i became aware fairly early on that he had a relationship

with harvey levin and that tmz was really pushing out the story a lot and then when i heard that ami flipped which then acquired through saudi money not, I don't know, but not just the Inquirer, but also InStyle, Life & Touch, not InStyle, I'm sorry, Life & Style, InTouch, a bunch of the weekly mags, as we say. That is not surprising. Once they all are on against you, yeah. And so when they flipped

and testified in the Mueller report, I don't want to say I felt vindicated, but I was like, oh, that's why all these hit pieces are out there. And that's why they're getting perpetuated. And on Fox News, as Mariah Carey would say, they're obsessed with me. There's a constant, you know, Hannity blog or something. But I have to say, out of all of the craziness, it's taken me a long time to laugh. But the idea that so many people thought or think I'm in ISIS is.

I mean, that's a little extreme to actually think you're going to assassinate the president. Like, I know obviously you're going to make the jump but like that shit's silly but I do think that I get the impression you don't give an inch on the idea of like thinking that was over the line I mean I think that's silly but

I commend you for standing your ground but it's just something like if somebody came to me with that did you come up with that idea or did like so what exactly was it again it was like it was like an internet video or no it was um you know i'm like i'm very honest about this when you're out of work and you're an actress you do kind of crazy stuff sometimes right and i've done wacky photos before i did i've done other photos that i think are more offensive and they were like on a gay blog for two days i did a photo one time of a man's hand with a scissor in my tongue like to symbolize like men trying trying to shut me up. Later on, the guy in the car wanted to actually cut my tongue off. So I was on

to something. And now that's more offensive to holding the president's head up. Yeah. Well, I also was afraid the scissor would slip. You know, I mean, that was a real fear. But, you know, I also knew that there was this kind of imagery. And when you look at the history of comedy, like a lot of the greats, I mean, I admire, like I said, all comedy. But when I think about my beloved Joan Rivers and Carl Lynn and Pryor and Lenny Bruce, you know, comedians at a certain point when there's a time in history, I think a lot of comics feel like it's kind of part of our job to be the ones that go a little too far. And I had a great compliment. Wait a minute. But this is the problem. So you do keep saying that you went too far.

But then when he says, did you think that went too far, you get very offended by that. Well, it's very easy to offend me. I'm fucking kidding you. It takes a lot. But it does feel like if I say, I think you went over the line, you're like, fuck you. No, but I'm not going to agree with you because I think it's important that people push boundaries. And if I had broken the law, that would be different. If I had violated the First the law that would be different if i had violated the first amendment that would be different but i think sometimes you have to go what some people think

is too far right right no no i had i agree with you nobody was really hurt by it and i think now in hindsight with over two years behind us when you look at what's really happening ice raids in our own neighborhoods and stuff i am just hearing from more and more people, like, actually, your picture wasn't really that big of a deal. I don't, like, personally, I was like, I don't give a fuck, right? Like, what do I care? But I would, it does not surprise me that other people got mad. Yeah.

So you were totally shocked by that. I was shocked by the level, but I've done controversial stuff before. I mean, when I won my first Emmy, I went up there, and I was trying to, like, spoof Emmy speeches, and I go, suck it, Jesus. This award is my God now. Well, people took out full page ads in the New York Times and religious groups and took out full page ads in the USA Today and calls from the agency and you'll never work again. So I kind of. I got another question for you. It just popped in my head. Do you think in any way that you maybe gave him more power like do you regret the fact that maybe you gave him material that he was probably like happy about it in a way i i think he was happy about it but yeah see that would that's

what would bother me i'd be like fuck because now he's got he's got this symbol and like this thing that he can use to rally his people whereas you know you know, if he didn't have that, he wouldn't have. You know what I mean? In a way, it almost emboldened him. Well, here's the thing, though. I really have a history of tussling with guys like this. Like I know this middle aged white guy who thinks it's powerful. And I know this guy who thinks he's going to step up to me and put me in my place.

And like when the sun's come after me, it's just really embarrassing. You know, Junior tweets me and it's like a bad pun. And Eric tweets me and it's just an awkward joke. And so in a way, it fuels me as well. But I will say as I get older, I do become more fearless about stepping up to these guys. And they do hold the keys to power. And I go, OK, the only power I have is maybe I have some talent and I can sell a lot of tickets and I'm an earner and I can make companies a lot of money. And I remind them of that and sometimes in a direct way and sometimes more subtle. But I hear what you're saying. But the list of people that are to that standard that have, like, quote, emboldened him, it's like a scroll.

So, you know, I was before this was pre-Weinstein, pre-Me Too. I think there weren't as many women sort of coming out and being bold and stuff like that. So I'm not tying myself to those movements. But I do think in a way that there is a new engendered sense among groups that are, like I said, the majority but marginalized to speak up more. And I think there's something in the air where we just all as Americans know this is just different this time and different in a scary way. So I like to make fun and make people laugh at stuff that's scary or not scary or the Real Housewives, any range of things. But this is something, you know, it's pretty rare that you feel like the president's actions are affecting your everyday life. So when it happened to me so personally, it makes you more

aware. You start looking around. You go, oh, this group is getting into trouble more, and this institution isn't holding. And I better pay more attention to my electeds and how they're voting. And I'm going to, you know. So it just makes you more aware. And I think if it starts conversations, then that part I'm kind of proud of. You said when you said, you know, you're not ashamed or you talk about the, like, when you're out of work, you kind of look for other things. How did they pitch it when they came to you? I pitched it.

Oh, it was your idea. Yeah. I made the film. No, no, not this. The picture itself. Oh, the idiot photographer sent it to TMZ. But it was your idea. It wasn't someone else's idea?

The photographer and I collaborated on the idea. Okay. And we went and got a bunch of silly props. By the way, which are now federal evidence. And so luckily I did throw away the mask, which I thought was I mean, I have to laugh now. But they're like, we need the mask, Miss Griffin. I go, it smelled really bad. I threw it away weeks ago, but I was interrogated under oath as well. And I wanted to clear that up because a lot of people thought I just got, you know, a phone call or something.

And, yeah, I wanted to make a statement, a bold statement. I've made the before. So when you were collaborating, it was because you said you said like to make people laugh. But when you were collaborating, it was statement. That was it was statement was one guy needs to be shamed and humiliated because that's his gig. His game is all about shame and humiliation and making people feel less than and projection. So the things he accuses others of are typically the things he's doing himself. And I just felt like people aren't really getting that message yet. I think they're getting it much more so now.

Do you think you won this battle? Yeah. When you look back, Kathy Griffin versus Donald Trump, do you think people are going to say Kathy Griffin won? I can't wait to see him again. And I say that in a non-threatening verbal way under the umbrella of the First Amendment. I swear to God, Kathy Griffin, if fucking the government comes here to talk to us or some shit, I'm going to be very mad at you.

You might get a call. Very mad. You might get a call. I can't promise. Well, all right. So the movie's out on July 31st. One night only. So you only got one shot to see it.

Hell of a story. It is a hell of a story. Appreciate you coming through. Thank you. Thanks, you guys. Thank you. Okay. So that was Kathy Griffin, which if you're watching on Barstool Gold,

you probably got a little bit more of the vibe of awkwardness and a little bit of contention. I did. I never felt awkward. I did not. I think she did. I was good. I usually, no matter what, even if I know I have, like,

the upper hand with someone, if I'm fighting with someone, if I am arguing with them, if are uh butting heads disagreeing you know your blood your heart pumps a little more you get a little faster yeah yeah it's a little like adrenaline i never got that with her because i just i think i made it pretty clear that like i don't necessarily agree with uh like what she did don't also necessarily agree with what she went through i'm somewhere in between on all this and i'm happy i think everyone's gonna hate that interview which is why it's probably a pretty good one uh well so as i was doing it so like i said we didn't want to do it then we gotta agreed okay let's give it a shot and like two seconds into it i was like what the fuck am i

doing because this is gonna she started off she's like the interview started and i don't think i said anything and she's like you guys don't know what to do with me, huh? Yeah. I was like, no. Well, because I know exactly why she said that. I paused to ask a question. I was just like, so. And I just thought about how I wanted to word it.

And she was correctly like, you don't even know what to say right now. And I was like, I just want to choose my words carefully here. But yeah, right away, I think she had the vibe of like, I know this is an awkward fit. And I'm going to call it out. She also, while we were walking down the hallway, she said, I'm back on the D-list, and I'm hungry and scrapping and all that shit. So I thought she was going to come with a lot more of a disarming approach and a little more like, not like I'm wrong, but just like, wow, this is fucking crazy, huh? And she is definitely still in like, I'm right, you're wrong mode, which is, you know. She did not care for me.

No, she did not let go at all. I was quite wrong often, according to her. You were ignorant. I was ignorant. That's what I didn't like about you. I'm just a. She threw ignorant at you so quickly. What was I saying?

You said, you can understand why people were offended by that. And she was like, no, I can't. You're ignorant. I was like like that to me is quick quick draw quick draw on the i card i i was waiting for her to actually we went into it being like i think this is going to be pretty contentious like we don't really necessarily see eye to eye on this and let's be honest most of the time when you're booking podcast guests they're picking places that they want to go they're not setting themselves up for like a fight

but so this one was kind of like well i think we're gonna maybe butt heads a little bit but then i was thinking to myself i bet you she is gonna come in and like be charming and and uh like disarm us and make us like see her side of things because at the end of the day she's still a wildly wealthy and successful comedian before all this so you know usually people know how to handle people and she didn't do that she just went pedal to the metal. Yeah, I think there were other things we wanted to talk about. You said you want to talk about, you know, Joe Rogan on news radio. I want to talk about, I mean, she's friends with Kim and Kanye.

That's interesting to me. And it just never really got anywhere else because she didn't have the canned answers that you should have. Yeah, that's really what it comes down to. It kind of happened with Logan. It's funny where you address something and then it's like move on. And it was just like it never – Well, I kind of – I do think we might have gone circular a couple times because I felt like sometimes she said it was just a joke on bad. And then other times she said she was trying to make a point.

It's like, well, which one is it? Because that changes everything. That changes the entire story if you did it on purpose versus if you were just like, oh, shit, I went too far. She stands by it in every way which i you know she's entitled to that i feel like i would never do that again for four million dollars to be like interrogated by the government to be death threats to have to open up your mailbox with like special bomb shit to be accused of being an isis like four million just not enough i mean the isis thing i don't care you can accuse me of being isis if anyone wants to accuse me of being isis that's fine i'm not okay wrong but you know i if you're like

getting death threats and that like ropes your family into it and shit like that like i that's just four million is not enough for me but she was still down to do that so god bless her uh but two seconds into it i was like oh wait a minute we're either gonna look like we're like trump sympathizers by disagreeing with her or if you like trump and hate her you're gonna be mad that we didn't like call her a bitch and kick her out you know what i mean like it was it's all that's why you always lose in politics so either way you know if you hate trump or love trump you probably thought we weren't hard or we weren't soft enough but that's also when i then realized that probably the% of our listeners are the average rational person in between who is neither who can go, oh, shit. I think it was stupid.

I wouldn't have held up the president's fucking head. But I don't know if she should have been like, you know, waterboarded by the government for it. I think those are so you can have those thoughts. I mean, if I were you, I would I wouldn't like her. She was particularly prickly with you. Yeah. I don't know what her deal was. would you call me a host a sports i guess shock jock sports jock host some shit like that not inaccurate but just a dj with a sports yeah dj with a sports with a sports show i don't play

enough music um yeah but even that to me is like no that's not correct it's not it is inaccurate and she said like why would i care what you think? It's like, okay, that's fine. You don't have to care what I think. This is a little bit contentious to say. But I love that. Like, that's fine. You're still sitting here for a reason. I love that.

You know? Oh, I don't matter. But you said that you're on, like, the D-list trying to latch and claw your way back up, and you're here for a reason. So I will just say this. When we walked out, out like everybody in the office was like i was like whispers and like wanted to know how it is so there's something there there there is a a juice to kathy griffin and whether it's her or her story or some sort

of combination i think uh people were were gassed up for it one way or the other so um so let us know where you know i was just writing that i didn't so that's where i mean i guess you know let us know i mean i guess i'm interested to know where what people think of that yeah i i think i think let us know and and uh uh a little shout out to everyone. I am curious. I think we should start ending the shows with that because I feel like it's almost a call to action because I'm curious what you think. I am curious if you think that was interesting. If people are like, don't ever talk about politics again. I don't think we talked about politics.

No, but even like. Also, I think I might cancel the phrase politics. I had a couple of words I've been looking to cancel. I might throw a cancel on politics because everything is political yeah everything is politics shut up about don't talk politics everything's fucking politics yeah everything we talk about is not i mean here not so much but everything in the world is politics but if someone's like don't you know we've never had talked about donald trump that much in like our entire history of our show so if someone's like we don't do that, fine. We didn't talk about Donald Trump. We talked about Donald Trump's head that someone held up.

I would love to do more. I would love to do interviews where there's maybe some disagreement and some friction. I thought both of these were pretty good. I went in with, I think, minimal preconceived notions with both. Some. But then we went minimal of both. And one, it was, was oh that was pleasantly surprising

one was a little disappointing yeah one was not surprising at all i would say yeah i didn't think i thought they both went how i thought they were gonna go put it that way yeah i absolutely agree i agree with them let us know and if you liked if you liked one of the guests let them know too i think i think i like i like people did that with Joe Manganiello, and I thought that was nice. If you think a guest came out particularly well and you didn't know about that, let them know I liked them, come on the show. And if you didn't like them, just don't say anything. Straight up, that's selfish of me, but that's helpful for us.

If you liked it, if you enjoyed the interview, be like, hey, you were great on KC Radio. People reach out to us afterwards and be like, wow, we didn't see the response. We'd love to do something with you again. It's very helpful for us. Yeah, it definitely helps. So if you have something nice to say, go ahead. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. Like your mama taught you.

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