KFC Radio - Matt Barnes, Mache Customs, and Sober John

Episode Date: May 16, 2019

Matt Barnes (56:00) stops by to talk about the Kobe Didn't Flinch play, not testing positive for weed, protecting Blake Griffin, and why the Zion needs to be in NY. Mache Customs (1:20:55) comes through to talk about his custom sneaker designs with KFC. John has sobered up and explains the bender and how he poisoned himself. The Office topics: stuff you ate as a kid (Hubbs), hook up spots (YP). NY sports is a dumpster fire, as usual. Voicemails: selling farts, uniform fantasy, should i quit my job and move to NYC, and POV options.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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We're back. Have you sobered up, Pettelberg? Yeah. It was a full-blown drunk Tuesday for you. It was a drunk episode. It was drunk rundown. It was drunk episode. it was just a drunk day it was like you were walking around the studio just talking yeah it's like what do you think you're mic'd up you have to be in front of your microphone you were over there in the corner grabbing whiskey just talking i was like nobody can hear you john nobody it was like it was one of those things where you just kind of pile on a weekend you're

trying to put it off a little bit. And sometimes it sneaks up on you. Yeah, John, he had the Sunday scaries, so he just powered through that. And then he had the Monday scaries, just powered through that. And then Tuesday hits you like a ton of bricks. I highly suggest watching last week's episode. Go to barcelogold.com slash KFC to just witness a drunk man doing a podcast. It's quite a scene when it's just usually it's just this and instead all of a sudden it was all that and i was just

like we're doing this it was it was a lot it was uh it was a monday morning train and i just i mean you went on a 36 hour bender for no good reason yeah 36 hours and i ended it with take with poisoning myself i've been sick for three weeks and I was like, I can't fall asleep. I'm going to take some NyQuil. I woke up at 4pm. I can't even begin to imagine that your body at that point needed more to just eventually pass out. I think your body was ready

to just shut it down. I don't know what it is with NyQuil. I've probably taken NyQuil three times in my life. At no point have I woken up before 4pm. Once I take it, but I still try sometimes. That's what it does. It knocks you the fuck out. Just dripping wet. I was just like, I woke

up yesterday and I was just like, what the fuck? And I was looking at the time. I had to check three sources for the time. I was like, there's no way it's 4 o'clock again. Again. I'm done with NyQuil. NyQuil's off the table for me.

But it was like, it's just one of those things that happens. There was no shot of even, like, I don't even try to wake you up or track you down anymore. It was like, well, I know he's not going to answer his phone, which I don't even think you even had. It was off. Oh, yeah, it was off. And then it was like, should we go try to physically wake him up it's

like that's not gonna work either so it just is what it is you hope he wakes up the only reason i was like he might be dead but light switch was like i can hear him snoring so he's breathing all right that was the only confirmation we had that john was even alive the amount of people i had to tweet out when the new episode went out i was like john was so fucked up in this episode just so people weren't like confused. They were like, am I hearing this wrong or something? Am I on like half speed or something? Because I got a couple tweets of people being like,

I was listening for 15 minutes thinking something's weird. And then I read your tweet. Okay, now I know. He's just, I'm listening to a drunk person. Because if you're not expecting. Just for the record, it's not the first time you've listened to me drunk. No, it was, well, it was not the drinking that was the problem it was the lack of sleep yeah you become a fucking idiot when you don't sleep that's true you become a big baby yeah a big baby walking around with

with no i feel like that's everybody though that's common right i don't know about not not to your extent you revert to a baby-like state where it's like you are an infant. You are infantile. I can't believe we even put together what was a somewhat coherent podcast. Yeah. By the way, I got your book. You got my book? I got your book.

Okay. It was left at the bar. Yeah. And the bartender opened it up and looked at the handwriting as well. And they were like, they thought it was Casey's friend who you were at the handwriting as well and they were like they thought it was uh it was casey's friend who you were at the bar with for whatever reason they just assumed it was her and he was like you are a crazy person i mean my thoughts are keeping a running diary of my thoughts is the diary of a madman it is rich it is truly the diary it's a schizophrenic it is

script everything there are multiple personalities writing and they're thinking of different things and oh the last one uh you added something and it just said something like um like coronary heart attack something like that it was something very dark about a heart attack it was like it was like massive coronary heart attack said and it was like really scribbled out i had to really decipher it i was like i thinkary heart attack. And it was like really scribbled out. I had to really decipher it. I was like, I think he was having one while he wrote this down. I think he was like, my last words, I'm having a heart attack. You just find someone dead like it was a heart attack.

So sober once again. Sober once again. We got that going for you today. We also have Matt Barnes on the show. NBA quote unquote bad boy, which after you listen to this. Very soft-spoken. I have never heard him. I've heard his post-game interviews when he's juiced up, jacked up, ranting and raving still.

I can't believe it's taken this long for me to know that he's just like a very calm, soft-spoken, normal dude who's like, when I play basketball, I get very intense, but otherwise I'm a pretty chill dude. Yeah, he's been like 15 years. Yeah, and maybe, I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not seeking out, he was never, I'm not looking at all the Matt Barnes post-games or any of the interviews he did off the court, but he needs to, if he would like. Tall as fuck.

So tall, so lanky, so like long, you know. Every time you meet someone in the NBA, like we were sitting here talking and when I first met him, I was like, shit, he's tall. And then I forgot about it, because I probably because he's so soft-spoken. I forgot about it. Then we stood up again for a picture. I was like, Jesus, fuck, he's tall. And it's really, I mean, he's tall, but he's not enormous. I know normal people who are very tall as well, but it's like his hands are really, his fingers are super long, his limbs are it's crazy when you be an nba player you gotta be total freak i'm saying these

things now while matt browns and barnes is not around because he would just jab me from across the fucking just get reached me from across the table he if he wanted to shake that image he should do more of these interviews because i'm sure right now if you're listening and you know matt barnes reputation you're thinking they're about to do an interview with a fucking lunatic. And he is just a completely normal-ass dude who was like, yeah, I played hard on the court. Yeah, and after that, I didn't care. Right. He's like Dwight Shrewsbury.

I'm like, it's after 5, Jimmy. I'm going to take him home with me. Yeah. I'll get Matt on the court. And then I'm like, yeah. Then I go home and smoke some weed. I'm good to go. Like smoking weed a lot. Loves to smoke weed.

We also got my boy Mosh on the show talking about his uh custom pair of sneakers which you can see up here on the kc radio wall of fame if you're watching on barstool gold the ace ventura patrick ewing uh old school ewing's collab which is his first ever commercial release so if you are into sneaker culture uh we talked to pretty much the greatest custom uh sneaker creator on the planet one of 500 that he came through and dropped off here for the studio and we talk about everything from you know uh hypebeast and what shoes you can and can't wear and the people who kind of the sneaker heads who kind of ruin sneaker culture and all that kind of shit so very interesting stuff from a guy who

is it's i think it's always cool when you can sit down with someone that is pretty much the best in their craft you can really make the argument he's like the best or the biggest on the planet at what he does whether or not you even like are into sneakers you got to respect anybody who can be like i'm the best in the game at that so uh a couple good interviews at the back end here we also got voicemails of course but first it's thursday so we're doing another edition of the Office. Delivered by Postmates. Everybody here in The Office gets their food delivered.

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Why don't you just support your team? Look what fucking happens. Look what happened in a matter of 18 hours. I let myself... I feel like it's funny. How have you not come down to the other side where it's just funny? Because it still hurts you, I can see.

Yeah, last night really hurt. The lottery really hurt. Because that was a chance for something. People just still don't get it, and I don't blame them. People don't understand what it would mean if the Knicks were good, because it hasn't happened in a lifetime.

Everyone always says, when the Knicks are good, the city's just a different buzz to it. How do you know? Are there people alive who were alive when the Knicks were good? Honestly, yeah, it's like that. It's like, back in the... You should have seen America during the Civil War. It was crazy. It is like which one of those days?

Yeah, because there was nothing else to do then. People are going to be so disappointed. Channel 2, 4, and 7. When the Knicks are good again, it's like, oh, it's not the same thing as it was in 1986. Oh man, I'm telling you, if it was good like Zion good or good like KD and AD good, it

would be a sight to behold. Because it really is, it just adds this dynamic of like, there are just certain people in my life like close friends and family that i have never enjoyed sports with that i've always been at their throat it's weird so like you know me and hubs last night were like arm and arm yeah not that i really give a fuck about hubs but you know there are like close friends of mine i've known for a long time and family members that it's like every time the Mets are good, they hate it. Every time the Yankees are good, I hate them.

I'm always cursing out the Giants. They're making fun of the Jets. All of a sudden, we could all be on the same team. That must be weird. It is. I mean, I've been behind enemy lines my whole life. All the people I knew are Yankees, Giants fans. I just didn't know that many Mets, Jets fans to begin with.

So, like, I would be able to enjoy sports in a completely different manner than I ever have what was what was the worst pick you could get five okay but I would argue I would rather have gotten five with the Pelicans and the Lakers out of the picture because then you could still maybe entice the Pelicans with the five pick the problem is the Pelicans got the number one pick guess what you can't have a better pick than number one. Did you know that John? There's no, there's no number zero pick.

It's just, it just starts at number one and the Lakers got the four. And obviously the Lakers have been like salivating over a D. So like the Lakers can offer a better package. Now that they also have a bomb ass draft pick, if they were working with like the 12 pick, it wouldn't be that in that good of shape. So not only did it torpedo the dream of one of the top two players,

it also was the perfect storm to take a D pretty much off the table. Probably. So it was like, in my mind, it is the worst case. So where is he going to go then? I think he still ends up on the Lakers. I don't,

I don't, I haven't followed basketball at all this year. I just feel like eventually, like I know they kind of have like beef or whatever, but like if you put together, I don't know, get crazy, give up the four pick, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, give up everybody,

eventually they're going to take the best package possible. Maybe not. Maybe the Knicks can still sneak in there. Maybe the Pelicans still don't want to. Maybe they're not going to trade. He said he's still out no matter what with the number one pick, which is crazy. Maybe this guy's just a fucking dickhead too, by the way.

It's like, what? You don't want to play ball in new orleans with with zion williamson like i don't know that's what you could be worse boss huh that's what you just hate your boss yeah i mean how bad could it really be yeah i hate my boss yeah i guess so i mean i don't understand that like dude no it's the new bloggers coming through he's gonna be on your podcast i don't want to be here but so anybody out there whoever is like you're a band fan i i was the groundhog i was thinking it was a groundhog day i like i've been hiding i've been hiding in my little tree stump for 15 years from the knicks and i pop my head out i was like nope still eternal winter smash my head back down.

I'm fucking dead. Go back into the long night. My watch has ended. It lasted 18 hours. And then the Jets. I mean, that is probably. Honestly, I saw that tweet, I think, from Rappaport, and I said Rappaport got hacked because while they're the Jets,

they're not this Jetsy. They're not fire your GM on May 15th Jets. Let your GM do your whole rebuild and then fire him before you even see how it worked. That's insane. He traded all your draft picks to get up for Donald, right? He traded a lot of draft picks for that. And then chose your coach. And then drafted. Signed $100 million for the player.

And then drafted. And, you know, Quinn and Williams just fell into his lap. So, like, a monkey could have made that pick. But, yeah, he drafted everybody. Six players. Drafted six players this year. And then two and a half weeks, three weeks later. And then while, like, prior to the draft, this was all rumored.

So, like, they could have fired him then. I guess maybe there wasn't enough time. They should have fired him with todd bowles right a fucking way and then hired a new gm to hire a new coach to go into the draft to go into free agency like everyone else does when they don't believe in their gm the jets the jets are like uh that like that was just like a messy breakup where it's like you should just be done with it but you're like let's try to make this work or i want to fuck you one more time and we keep like letting it linger but we know where this is going and then eventually when you do officially break up you're like i wasted a lot of time there except now the jets now imagine that except you're now single and there are no

girlfriends around i don't know smitty tells me that joe douglas is the most important thing that ever happened to the city of philadelphia he told told me short of Carson Wentz getting a brain tumor and dying, which I thought was particularly specific for this hypothetical. He could have just said, like, short of Carson Wentz going down, this is the worst thing that could happen to the Eagles. He was like, short of Carson Wentz contracting brain cancer and getting an inoperable brain tumor that's terminal and dying, this is the worst thing that could happen to the Eagles. I mean, that seems very dark. Yeah. And I mean, also, so it's going to be, you know, Douglas and this guy Jeremiah and Gase as some sort of trio,

which those always work. Yeah. It's like, let's go with the two quarterbacks and three GMs, two and a half GMs also with a coach. Like, yeah, okay, great idea, guys. That shit's going to work. Yeah, if you have two quarterbacks, you have none. If you have three GMs, you have none.

Just give it to this Douglas dude. For fuck. Also, it's like Portnoy's best friend, which is weird. That is very strange. He's very close with him. How does Dave become friendly with? It's like a little child friend. Elio's like really good friends.

So it's like, can we get some inside scoop or some shit, dude? Yeah, I mean, this would be the case where if it was you who was friends, really good friends so it's like can we get some inside scoop or some shit dude yeah i mean this is this would be like the case where if it was you who was friends you would be in a lot of trouble oh absolutely he even said to me he he kind of knew i mean the the rumor like came out publicly pretty quickly right after that but he was like it's it's gonna be my buddy joe and i was like oh for real he's a good you can't say anything it He's like, a word, Dave Portnoy? You should have tweeted that. Just like, I had done the I want the credit thing.

Right, right, right. I know the White Sox Dave. Like, I know something, but I can't say anything because I got a big interview with Wendell Carter coming up or whatever. So fuck everybody tells me not to be negative. I'm going to go back to being negative. I'm going to go back to being pessimistic. I'm never going to get my hopes up again because if you don't have high standards,

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Things you ate as a kid, but not like food. Play-Doh. I don't think I ate anything. I think you guys are all just not smart. I don't think I ate anything. Maybe I had a bite of glue here and there. Oh, I don't think I ate any. Maybe I had a bite of glue here and there. Oh, I don't think I ever ate it, but I thought about just spooning the rubber cement into my mouth.

It smelled so good. But I never did that because I thought that would really kill me. It probably would. But Play-Doh, knowing that it was non-toxic, I would eat that shit like an apple. Did you really? I would pull the cylinder out. No, you didn't.

No, I didn't take a big bite, but I would take little bits of it because I love the smell, and I would take just little bits. What did it taste like? A tangy, very didn't. No, I didn't take a big bite, but I would take little bits of it. Because I love the smell, and I would take just little bits of it. What did it taste like? Tangy. Very tangy. And nowadays, kids these days are not going to understand. They did something to the formula. It doesn't taste like it used to.

Probably because they were like, we've got to stop these kids from eating it. You've been eating it recently? Yeah, I've got to give it a little taste. Because of the kids? Yeah. It's back in my possession. I smell it. So you're still just like, I'm going to have a bite. Well, not anymore, because it a little taste. Because of the kids? Yeah. It's back in my possession. I smell it. So you're still just like, I'm going to have a bite.

Well, not anymore because it doesn't taste good, John. As a fully functioning adult man, you're like, I got to see this Play-Doh still. Correct. It was back in the 80s. Correct. And fact of the matter is, it does not taste better. It does not taste as good. So I don't eat it anymore.

The reason Hobbs asked this was the guy who did, you see he had 196 nails in his stomach? Oh, Jesus Christ. What? I don't need it anymore the uh the reason hub's asses was the guy who did you see he had 196 nails in his stomach oh jesus christ what what i don't like those people like you have a like a real mental issue how do you get that out if you're just eating 96 nails yeah no yeah i think yeah wait what what could be like like with your smells i get it i get like it's an intoxicating scent like a nail what about a nail makes you be like well he's doing this to be like a circus freak right like i don't think so like he was just addicted to it what's that called pica or pica or something when you eat eat shit that's like uh you know not edible i did not used to see that like you see that on like the tlc channel it's

like i ate my entire couch oh yeah yeah yeah the uh yeah you ate like my strange addiction right people eat paper they rock addicted to eating light bulbs yes yeah that guy used to Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ate the couch? Like my strange addiction to something like that? Right. People eat paper. They eat rocks. You're addicted to eating light bulbs? Yes. Yeah, that guy used to chomp down on light bulbs. The one guy who ate all his couch cushions.

Ate the whole cushion. And that's a double whammy because at the end of the day, now you don't have a couch. So now not only have you filled up your belly with that orange, yellow styrofoam, now you don't have to sit. Yeah, you're full. That's just stupid. And you've got to be. And you've got to stand up. That's crazy. Anything else i eat i would eat uh i used to just devour pens i wouldn't eat them but like

in like i just chew the back of it you know like the you know the end of it just like in class but then i would just like i did that i would just start to like chomp like i'd be the guy but yo can i borrow a pen i forgot to borrow a pen for my notes and i'd be like here's a back and it was just like slobber oh god i would be like i would i think that's why i never did it like i'd be like i'd show it but yo i owe you a pen yeah you keep that though you hold that pen i think i never ate pens because i did i respected other people's pens and i never brought my own pen i used to chew on pencil sometimes bro i was i was the kid you're gonna be shocked at this i was the kid who didn't show up to class with nothing.

No backpack, no notebook, no pen. No. On a Tuesday, because I didn't cut my Monday. Just sit down and be like. What? Yeah, I don't have anything. You don't have anything. I would start off the year, I'd get my five-star,

trapper keeper type of thing, a stack of loose leaf, a couple RSVP pens, and then when those were gone, that was it. I ran out of loose leaf. I would spend the rest of the year, let me borrow a slice of paper. Lose my pens,

let me borrow a pen. I'm going to chew on this one, ruin it. It's mine now. I just spent the whole day just doodling in notebooks. I mean, in the textbooks. Just draw all of that shit.

You know what I love to do? I love to do? I love to make up names. Not make up names, but like put like celebrities' names. And you know on the front page where you sign like who had the book

one year? Library checkout, yeah. I'd be like Michael Jordan, 83. Guys, Michael Jordan had this book. Yo, how weird was it when you had to cover

your textbooks? Yeah. Like everyone had to fucking wrap it up like a goddamn present and like tape it and fold it. Like, oh, I we preserve the book like what are we doing here well i mean how much damage how much like how much is that paper really preserving that book i feel like it probably preserves it pretty well i think i think so i'm like drawing really not from like

from where it's destruction yeah i mean like I'm still throwing it around and smashing my backpack. I would use it to sled. Yeah, right. Like, the paper ain't saving that. Like, sled down on books. Yeah. Probably not good for the paper. No, no, no, no.

For the textbook as a whole. Like, yeah, it's all covered in snow. But thank God we got the resealable. Piece of brown. Yeah, like a brown, like, leaf bag. Yeah. Like, Ace Hardware. Yes.

I ain't doing shit. You didn't eat anything you weren't supposed to eat? I don't think so. I really don't think I had anything. Like I said, sure, I'll have a bite of glue here and there. But aside from that, were you like the kid, would you eat gross things at lunch? You'd be like, oh, yeah, slam those mashed potatoes into this milk. No, no, no.

But I did love a good warhead challenge. What's that? You never had warheads? I mean, I've had warheads, but what is a challenge? Yeah, you just put five of them in your mouth at once. I like the sour ones a lot. Sour lemon, even sour apple, but the sour lemon, but the hot ones,

nah. Put these little chunks of fire in your fucking mouth what was the fun of that? I was much more in like outside pain I like to hurt my body

not my mouth yeah exactly I stab myself with a protractor did you do the five fingers with the protractor? never really I'm sure I did it those people used to do really fast do that with the pens? Did you do the five fingers with the protractor? Never really. I'm sure I did it a time or two,

but that's not one. Those people used to do really fast. You know what I'm talking about? You take the pointy protractor thing and you go in between your fingers.

You ever do that? And make it real hot and you put it on. Yeah. I was big on the big red challenge. What's that? You lick your hand

and stick a big red wrapper to it and it just burns. What was that about? I don't know. I was big on that one too. That's some shit where it's like big red and it's got some chemicals up in there.

Well, yeah, it's just cinnamon though. I guess, but it's just like heat activated, saliva activated, fire. Yeah, I guess that is a little strange. We talked about doing the wasps. You did the wasps, right? No. You take paper, you fold it up, you bend it around the rubber band,

and then you kind of slingshot it, and you could get some speed on that. I've been knocked unconscious with that before. Did it fall on your head? It was with a nickel or a quarter or something like that. No, someone just shot a quarter. It's like a temple, right? No, right in the eye. And just pushed my eye so far into my head that I just collapsed.

Right on my table. Yo, whoever shot a quarter at you like that is a reckless motherfucker. Is that how your tooth? Shattered. Shattered. You're lucky you didn't lose an eye. It was just, it scratched my retina the whole time, but it was just like,

it was, I wish I saw it happen to someone else because I bet it was just like, like it was, I wish I saw it happen to someone else. Cause I bet it looked so fucking funny. Oh yeah. That guy who did shoot it was probably like, there's just, just a straight up call off. Like you killed him. He's dead. The, uh, that happened in the same class and it sucked. My teacher had no sympathy for me because you ever just black out and just say something like you know you shouldn't have like he he asked like yes does anyone know how to spell his name and i just teacher ss yeah uh-huh and it was mr medeiros and i just said fat he was humongous like and it was like humongous it was like not a planned thing at all is it was almost like when I as soon as I said I immediately snapped back in I was like

what have I done I'm so sorry I'm so sorry and like it was like a freshman high school class like everyone's just that is the meanest rudest shit I've ever heard I'm so like I really liked him like he's like a cool teacher F.A.T. I was just like F.A.T. bitch oh my god it was so mean what did he do what did he do yeah he was actually

like he was mortified which is why it was worse yeah cause he was like everyone was laughing at him he was like yeah I thought we were tight

fucks yeah that guy and then as I kept apologizing he was like enough enough cause like that was just making it more of a scene right

he probably wanted to kill himself yeah it was really mean he probably did it's like I didn't like I didn't didn't dislike him I didn't want to disrespect it was just like it's fat it just came out just like describe this person in one word fat i think it was like a ugly a rorschach test like first thing comes to mind what is it fat well what why what does that have to do with anything what is we're talking about shooting

people with things because it happened in his class. Oh, that he also got killed. He didn't care. He was like, I hope he's dead. The only other thing that was the most painful thing, the most, people talk about childbirth, they talk about kidney stones, getting whacked with a Nextel fucking antenna was the most painful thing in the fucking world.

You could bend that shit back like a catapult. Whap! It hit you right on the knuckle or right on the fleshy part of their forearm. Break the skin every time. Blood. I don't think I had to deal with that either. Yeah, you guys didn't have NexTels. You were white.

We had... I remain white. I had one buddy with one, but it never got into that. Oh, man. It was... He bent it all the way back. Whap! I almost want to get a NexTel just to do that. I'll keep never got into that I almost want to get

a Nextel just to do that like I'll keep my iPhone but I just want to have like a I don't even charge the Nextel You just want a baton I just want to

whack people You just get a billy club I just want to hit people Number one Number one YP Hookup spots like your town

in high school or something like that like where did you guys have like a like kind of like cliche points yeah like make out YP, hookup spots. Like your town in high school and stuff like that. Did you guys have like a... Kind of like cliche points? Yeah. I mean, we partied in the woods, which was the 18th hole of the golf course. Yep, that's what we did for a while.

So I remember this very, very vividly. There was this girl who was... You had to walk. You climb this fence and you walk through the woods and then you walk basically part of the golf course to get to the green so there was a a long way to walk to get to like where the keg was and there was a girl along that walk just getting her face fucked by this guy this mexican guy named jose and uh i mean it was like a right in front of everybody and then my best friend ended up dating her in college. Oh, no. Yeah.

And he was like, yo, this girl, she said that she went to high school with you. Do you know her? I said, what's her name? So the name I said, and he was like, that's not the face

you want to see when you tell your buddy like you know this girl. Did you tell him? Oh, yeah. You told him? Oh, yeah. I'd fucking kill you

if you told him. Well, he continues to date her, so. I'd be like, why would you tell me that, man? No, I mean, I get it mean i get it like you want like ignorance is bliss but you got to tell your boy that why because you have to let him know you have to know if people behind your back are going to be talking about how your girl got her face fucked by a mexican in the woods i don't i don't think ignorance is bliss on that one yeah i think i'd be'd be like, I don't need to know. I should have been like, I was just joking, man. I was somebody else.

So the woods was a big one. Ours was just like my garage. Yeah. What was your garage for? Well, I guess like a – No, no, no. Because like there was also like, you know, it was like the party house kind of. It was like the people who threw parties, you know?

Right. So that would be a spot that you could we did have like a friend's shed we had we had in uh at school we had the um it's so funny because it was the uh what do you call it where you develop film dark room sure dark room i was gonna say the film developing but like all all the people who you know took photography were kind of oh that's it wait you guys like that's like from a fucking high school movie yeah first of all yeah you guys had like what photography class or something like that photography club and then everyone's in there with those buckets of water and the clothes pins you guys are fucking in there exactly wow that is cliche shit the people in like photography club like weren't having sex right so it would just be

like these people bombarding like their studio why is like everything like all over the place why is that condom on the floor yeah who made a mess in here last night i was like oh john and even the thing was john it didn't have didn't have a lock on the door oh wow so you have to like on the wrist fucking like so you were doing that shit in high school you really like fucking in public places i wasn't fucking i was i was like when you were at parties like were you fucking uh i know i, I didn't lose my dreams after high school. Right. So I mean, I guess other people were,

but I wasn't really like, at that point I was only hooking up with girlfriends and like specifically just like one, one and two girlfriends. That was it. Like I wasn't going to a party. Yeah. Well you, I mean,

you're always so weird though with the, like, like my, you know, but we're boarding school. It's like, everybody should be fucking. Cause there's like no goddamn parents, parents but like but high school for me and

like middle school for me was like the cool kids were fucking the pretty girls and the hot guys were fucking you know what i mean and like hooking up at parties and shit i was like going and hoping to but i was just like drink a 40 and hang out yeah i mean i was like i didn't have that cliche like can't hardly wait movie moment where it's like all right let's like sneak off to the parents bedroom and like fuck i kind of i get but like we never fucked but i mean i make out and shit yeah do make out do hand stuff i don't think i really got much of that but then i was also just like having anal sex with my girlfriend so kind of like skipped one one part and really like went hyper driving the other yeah i tell you what i wasn't having any sex with my girlfriend.

Yeah, right. Well, you know, it's the grass is always greener. It's like I wanted to go to a party and make out with a girl. Instead I was doing butt stuff at home. Instead I'd just sit home, watch a movie,

and just put my dick in my girl's ass. That's really how it went. Ordered some takeout, watched a bad movie. One I have here for Ebony. I said, Ebony, give me something

to talk about. And she went, you don't want me to. Yes, I do. I said, come on, Ebony. What is it? She goes,

man, every time I look at you, I just think it's so much nasty shit. Yo, Ebony sexually harasses us specifically so much.

She's always just like, oh, Kev, you got that white boy flavor. You want to take a face shot? I'll give you a face much. She's always just like, oh, Kev, you got that white boy flavor. You want to take a face shot? Give me a face shot right now. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Barcelona has that reputation where it's like, oh, I'm sure they're sexually harassing women there. First of all, we're fucking not. We're getting our asses sexually assaulted all the time. Well, yeah. We're not getting our asses sexually assaulted. Well, I mean, like our, like. We're getting our metaphorical asses. Metaphorical asses. My butthole, not getting our asses sexually well i mean like aren't like we're getting our metaphorical metaphorical ass my butthole not getting no no no yet but ebony if she wanted to

you know an elevator on a particularly ornery day i i could be getting a finger in the butt like no i i it wouldn't shock me no if that no i haven't got a computer producer cam make sure we zoom in on that one. There's been a couple, actually. I forgot about the producer cam. Is that always running? No. No?

Never. It better be. Yeah. Ebony, how about that tweet from Ellie the other day? What's that? The Mother's Day one. She said, on Mother's Day, oh, you were drunk when we talked about this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do remember. On Mother's Day, all I can think about is all the kids I've ingested or absorbed into my skin. Goddamn, girl. You really went all in on this shit, huh? You went all in on that internet life. That's... And as she described it, she touched her face. I was like, goddamn, leaving it to no fucking...

Nope, it wasn't her stomach or anything. That was... Hardcore shit. I don't think I've had to tweet that graphic. no see women got it so easy right they can do whatever they want i really sure can't get an abortion out i was kind of excited except for except for getting rid of a baby by a rapist i'll tell you what i can't i just can't even i can't even do you see the onion article the onion headline headline? What was it? I mean, it was great, and it's great commentary,

but whoever wrote that, it just said, let me get it exactly right, because I'll botch it. And that's the whole point, is that the Onion doesn't botch it. They always get every single fucking word. There's not a wasted word. There's not a missed word. I know they had the PR firm suggest the u.s cut ties with alabama abused 12 year old alabama girl doesn't think she can handle being a mom on top of everybody

on top of everything else with like a picture of a little girl oh my god and i mean it is it's a it's a hardcore headline but it's trying to fucking make a very serious point conveying her concerns that the additional obstacles presented by parenthood would be too much to bear 12 year old abuse survivor abigail dunn was reportedly worried that wednesday she wouldn't be able to handle being a mom on top of everything else quote i have several i have several big book reports and a big algebra test coming up in the next few weeks and i had And I had even begun thinking about trying out for my school's chorus. But giving birth and caring for an infant is going to really cut into my studying time. This year has been hard in a lot of ways. We had to move to a new neighborhood,

and my family life has been very, very bad, especially recently. My relationship with my stepdad is pretty much a nightmare i wish i were responsible enough to look after a baby but i'm just so scared that i won't be i'm really sorry dunn had expressed hope that her unborn child would be friends with the babies of her fellow classmates the onion playing for keeps the onion no holds barred that's a mic drop on them i mean holy fucking shit that's really honestly that is literally the worst thing that you could could make a person do is carry a baby full term from a rapist. Yeah. It's bad. Producer Cam, he's like, next topic.

For a lighter onion, we will shout the onion today. They actually had another awesome one, not about Alabama. It reminded me of when people get newly hired here, and it's just a brave intern giving his parents an office tour. People walk around. People get in here with their parents. And within 30 seconds, they're like, what the fuck did I do? And then just very tentatively walk.

Dude, who are these people who bring their parents? I don't know. I would never. Never in a million years. Never in a million years. That's why Dave was like, why didn't you introduce me to your parents at the wedding? Like, I don't. No.

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else because you're getting the best price possible. It's SeatGeek, promo code KFC for $10 off today. What's up, guys? I just got a DM on Instagram from this strange guy. And he told me he would give me money if I sent him videos of me farting. So my question for you is, how much money is too little money for this? I'm not saying I'm going to do it, but the girl is poor and could use some more money. So, I don't know.

Just let me know. Thanks, guys. Props to this girl for not using a voice changer. Someone's going to be like, Cheryl? Was that you? Well, I will defer to the butt wiper, the $60,000 butt wiper, how much money for you to fart? Because that probably involves showing your asshole.

Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. Like, I've seen my asshole once before. Yeah, that's what he looked at through the mirror. Yeah, not for me. So I don't know if I'd be interested in like... Not for me. ...showing that to the world.

Like, I'll just be straight up. I don't have a good brawl. I mean, that you know of. You saw it like 20 years ago. Yeah. Maybe I'm matured. I was really young. I'm not really young,

but I was young. I don't think assholes are something that get better with age. I think however your asshole looked when you were 14 is probably its best time. That thing's just seen some shit since then. He's sobered up and he's having

a great show, folks. Funny with the wordplay. Let's go. Seen some shit. That was like... Yeah, crushed it. That's some onion shit. I could see an Onion article being like, yeah. Yeah. Crushed it. Crushed it. Yeah. That's the onion shit. But the, uh,

I could see the, I could see an onion article being like, asshole says he's seen nothing but shit the past 20 years. I wonder if this is a, this is just a suave move to get to the show. They're asshole. Yeah, exactly.

Like, like he was watching it on mute. Yeah. No, like, I mean, basically what that is, you're going to,

I mean, we're going to get real, but the producer came on. I mean, you're just going to get to see a girl's asshole winking, which is like what we want to watch on. Can you wink at me, baby? I know that voice. I know the dick that goes along with it. Do you remember how excited he was when he found out he was going to do anal with Tory

Black? Yeah. He was so pumped. Remember that? No he was going to do anal with Tory Black? Yeah. He was so pumped. Remember that? No, they're different guys. No. Yeah. Yeah.

It's Mike Adriano and then... And Manuel Ferreira. Manuel Ferreira. But they both have that accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Okay.

My bad. Yeah. Like, can you make a wink for me, baby? And so... Just fart. I'll mute it. I'll take care of the rest. Yeah, that's like...

It's almost like... It's almost like... Disgusting. Don't... Like, ideally, don't fart. But if you do, I'll mute it. I'll take care of the rest. Yeah, that's like, it's almost like, well, it's almost like don't, like ideally don't fart. But if you do, I'll mute it. Yeah. So yeah, this guy is, he's a hustler. Right.

What is, what's the number? If Ellie's getting offered 500 bucks for feet pics. By the way, I'm, I'm, I'm pimping Casey's feet and Coley is trying to like invade on my block here. He's like, I'll just, I'll do it and I'll take a lesser cut. It's like, whoa, listen, listen, bro. So you know what I did? There was just a detoxifying foot mask lotion that came and I was like, put it on her desk.

I was like, see, I take care of my hoes. Take care of my toes. What is the number for a girl? Because also it's's like don't put your face in it or anything so it's just like i don't know it's not my butt farting i i think it really i think the the um reluctance to film this video for me would just be the difficulty of the angles the logistics yeah because you really gotta like keep you gotta like open it up while also getting the phone yeah how do you gotta put the phone on the ground and like squat basically that would be one way to do it yeah yeah the uh i i think yeah i think it's just so is this is just so embarrassing that this is what we do for a living i i i think that it's just like it's this is this is low for me this is

a low moment i don't think so that's good that's good we balance each other out it's just like it's. This is low for me. This is a low moment. I don't think so. That's good. That's good. We balance each other out. It's making me less uncomfortable that you're okay with this. Yeah, I'm actually surprisingly okay with this. There are some times where I ask uncomfortable questions.

This one, I think you start the guy off. Say a thousand bucks. Okay. I was going to say a thousand is a good number these days. I think you can get a thousand for foot picks. I mean, if you can get like a thousand for feet, if you're showing your asshole, you should probably get

like $2,500 to be honest. Yeah, but I also think the deeper the fetish, the more money they have. And feet is kind of cliche at this point. Let's be honest. That feet are interesting.

Farts is still, you're fucked up. I mean, farts, I don't know. Cake farts and shit? Cake farts is so weird that, I mean, it works for me.

Does it? Like, I don't like jerk off to it, but I'm like, let's see it. A KFC fight. Quick question for you guys. I've been seeing this girl. We went out a couple times. I'm a police officer. And then we go back and hang out.

And she starts asking if I screw her with my entire uniform on. Duty belt, vest, everything. So people who don't know, that's like an extra 20, 25 pounds. Yeah. That's a lot of weight just to be throwing around and have on your body while you're doing it. While you're doing it. Just want to know what you guys thought of it.

Now that I'm saying it out loud, I'll probably do it. To be honest, I'll probably do it. But let me know what you got. You got to do it, but you got to recognize that. She wants to have a bulletproof vest on? Yeah, and the belt. Like, that's... That doesn't make any sense.

Come on. Like, you want the uniform. You want the hat, the fucking shirt. I said that. I want to make sure I say this on the podcast, too, because I said it on radio, and I don't know if people really took my point to heart. Uniforms are ugly.

I think a woman likes a man in uniform. Woman, you have bad taste in what men's clothing is. It's not the fucking clothes. It's the story. The allure of it all. A man in uniform, I've never seen a guy in uniform been like, oh. I'll be honest. The sailors

look ridiculous. The three-week sailors with the Popeye outfit on, you guys look ridiculous. Like the Fleet Week sailors, you know, with like the Popeye outfit on. You guys look ridiculous. I get that you're going to fucking smash so much on Fleet Week. You come off the boat, you invade New York City, and you like rape and pillage, and it's awesome. But you guys look like fucking Popeye. Okay?

There aren't any good, I guess maybe the Marine uniform. Dress blues. That one's not bad. Shout out to The Code on CBS, the most authentic military show in the game. Chaps are going to come kill us. But anyway, I mean, yeah, you just can't do this. Who the fuck does this girl think she is? I mean, I'll fuck you in the uniform, but I'm not putting on a bulletproof vest.

A belt? Yeah, the belt. I mean, how do you hurt you? I was going to say, are you going through the fly on that? Like, how do you keep the belt on? But even then, just like fucking get a mag light bouncing off your hip. Yeah, there's a gun involved. Like, maybe you do need the bulletproof vest on if you're going to do this.

I would tell her, I mean, that's such a bizarre specific request. Like, no, no, no. Leave the Kevlar on. Like, what? You know, like, no, We're all good on that. Fucking in clothes never works either. I had it one time. I wore, like I said, it's just a shirt still.

And it ended up having, like, come on. Yeah. Well, the shirts usually fall, like, right where it's a problem. You know? This is ridiculous. What are we doing? But you can go ahead and leave your underwear on. I'm down with that.

Give us something to grab on to. Oh, you... Leave hers on. I see, I see, I see. I can take mine off. No, I'll take mine off. There's no appeal there. But hers, keep it on.

KFC, hi. It's producer BC. Hey, guys. So, I'll ask a more serious question, I guess. I live in California, and I'm trying to get a job in New York. And I flew out there two weeks ago for interviews, and I got rejected from all of them. So, asking your advice, what should I do to get a job in New York when I'm in California? Should I just go fall to the wall and just move there without a job? Let me know.

Thanks guys. Viva. You should probably start selling your farts first. Get a nice base of money. I mean, I would love, I watching this joe rogan clip the other day he was talking about taking a risk and he was just like yeah like you're gonna have to take a risk you're not gonna have health insurance when you quit your job while you like pursue your dream it's risky you just have to do it and if you go half measure you're never gonna fully achieve it

and if you tell me like oh but what if i fail then you're already in the wrong mentality you just have to do it i'm like yeah you know it's all well and good joe rogan but like you're rich you know what i mean like you're sitting pretty and like you you your risk like happened right at the right time for everything to click it's hard to just tell people like yeah just fucking move to new york and your human instinct will kick in and you will find a way because you'll be dead if you don't but it's just not really realistic either i would not tell this girl to get up and move to new york without any money or any job. It is funny too,

with just like the, the amount of people who always offer that advice and it's rich people usually. And, and yes, that is the way they got rich. Maybe listen to some of the poor people who were like, really wish I didn't take that fucking risk.

Like for every one Joe Rogan and Gary Vee, there's a thousand people who are like, uh, like I, you know, it was ended up sucking dick on the corner. I lost that. Back in with my parents. Because I guarantee there's much more of those people. Yeah.

And, you know, it's like you have to be Gary's Vee sometimes says I have to be realistic about like your your limitations. Like, you know, LeBron James was just like, why don't you fucking play in the NBA, dude? Like, well, I'm not you, man. So but I think the way to go here is bartend, right? Yeah. That's like the move that anybody can do. So, like maybe. Why do you want to live in New York so bad?

I don't know. It stinks here. I don't mind being here. From California. If it was like Idaho or some shit, I'd get it. But like, you're in California, you're good. I've never, I feel like I haven't really heard that. Like someone from California would be like, I guess I'm from New York.

The only thing that would make sense is Broadway. The only thing that is here that's not there is Broadway. But they're applying for jobs. She's not on Broadway. No, I'm not saying her. I'm just saying the only thing I can even think of. I need a little bit more cold in my life.

I need a little more dirt in my life. No sunshine. Homeless people. I think it depends on how old she is, too. What's the age? cold in my life i need a little more like dirt in my life no sunshine homeless people i think all it depends on how old she is too like oh yeah what's the age well i don't know because i actually as i keep getting older i'm like oh my god you know when i was younger i'm like you're only 21 like now's the time to do it and now i'm like you're only 30 now's the time to do it no man 30 it's too late you gotta have like you gotta pay your bills you have responsibilities and shit like that i think uh the cutoff – no, I don't know.

I shouldn't say that. I really do think you can go – it's not about age. It's about circumstance. Like if you have a wife and kids or some shit, you can't be doing that. But you could be 30 and single. You could be 35 and single. As long as you haven't been tied down. Yeah, but it gets easier because you've probably been accumulating a little more money.

So you could be 35 and have more in the bank, and then you have more of a cushion to go achieve your dream. But I think bartending is the way to go. And I think if you take bartending seriously and you're like, I'm going to be personable, but I'm also going to try to be a manager and all that shit. I don't think a lot of people do that. I think a lot of people are like, I'll just sling these drinks. Right. I think you can make yourself a nice little living if you take bartending seriously. Some bartenders I know

are like, you mean what last night? I will quit this job right fucking now and go bartend with you. Or if you know, you sounded pretty cute, you could be a stripper. Nah. I like that idea. That's, yeah, you want to go like, what should I do to come to New York? To chase your dreams? Show your butt. Hop like that idea. That's, yeah, you want to, what should I do to come to New York? To chase your dreams?

Show your butthole. Hop on the pole. Sell those shoes. Sell those feet. Sell that b-hole. Hop on the pole. Last, uh, last voicemail? Last voicemail of the day is brought to you by Brooklinen.

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Hey, what's going on? KFC, Fights, DC. First time, long time. I was listening to some older podcasts the other day, and I was listening to you guys talking about girls, Amazon fucking guys. And Fights said how girls kind of have it better because they don't have to look at the guy while they're fucking them sometimes.

So I kind of had a hypothetical for you guys. So would you rather watch your face in a female POV? You only have to see it. No one else has to see it. Or would you rather have your own sex tape that's released? Let me know. Viva. So you have to see your face

in a POV porn? I don't want that at all. The problem with my sex tape... I don't even understand. Yeah, I don't really get the comparison. I'd be looking at myself. I'd be fucking myself. Basically, I guess it's like, like you know you would see your grill uh every time you know like like like the meme like what you see versus what she sees so you're seeing the what she sees which can't be good uh i mean like the problem with getting my sex tape released is like it

depends on what's going on during that session you know there's certain sex tapes certain sessions of mine i would not mind being released and there's certain sex tape sessions of mine that i would be yeah but like it's like i mean i i operate at like a one for 25 click i think where i'm a guy i was when i put out no i'm not even talking about performance i'm talking about activities going on in it you would you be more inclined if more activities are going on no i would i would rather like i'm down with like my vanilla tape being out there nobody needs to see me doing butt stuff you know you don't need to see me fucking talking about getting pegged you know i don't get pegged but you know i'm also not not ashamed to that area. No one needs to see that.

You're right. You're right. You know what I mean? If you want to just have some missionary and then we finish off doggy style, like, sure. It's like my fucking legs are over my head. Nobody. No! We'll edit that out. We'll edit that out.

Let's get into these interviews. Matt Barnes. Let's talk to him. One of the most unexpected interviews I've ever done. Couldn't believe it. He's a totally normal guy. Yeah. Honestly, too, most of it.

This probably went on the books last week. A good amount of the time, I thought we were going to be reading Matt Barnes. Matt Barnes, the Red Sox pitcher. Yeah, he kept being like, why are we interviewing this guy? No, he said, this guy's like an NBA legend, actually. All right, let's talk to him, Matt. Let's get into it. It's KFC Radio featuring Matt Barnes.

How we doing, man? I'm good, I'm good. How you guys doing? Doing all right. Doing all right, man. We're just doing, I was doing a little research, just trying to pick up some knowledge. And I see the same thing over and over again a lot

NBA bad boy when you hear that, when you read that, you see that how do you react? It's whatever, you know to me I think reputations are earned whether good or bad I think to get into this league I had to scratch and claw you know and sometimes that ended in physical play

or altercations and then throughout my career I was someone that always kind of looked out for my teammates. So I think the marriage of those two things made me a bad boy. But then when people meet me off the court, they're like, oh, you're chill. Like, you're cool. Like, you're, you know, you're not a crazy gangbanging thug, lunatic, all the shit I've heard I am off the court. So it doesn't really matter to me.

I mean, I'm sure the teammates like that, right? Yeah, they loved it. I mean, I was always someone that you loved, hated to play against, but loved to have on your team. You know what I mean? Like, I always had my guys' backs. I think that's like as important as having a superstar in your team. We have a guy, Biz, here, who used to be a hockey player.

And he does a podcast for us. And he says that the only reason he was in the NHL for however long he was in it is because people in the locker room liked me. That was the only thing. He's like, I sucked at hockey. You were good at basketball. Biz will tell you. He's like, I sucked at hockey,

but people just liked talking to me, so it ended up really improving my career. Hey, man, make it happen. There's also such a difference between, yeah, maybe I scrap on the court a little bit, I get physical, or I talk shit, versus gangbanging. You know what I mean?

Like, the jump there is... People don't know, though. You know, people don't, I mean, you only see what you know, you know? So unless you're from that kind of area, you know. But, I mean, then I got the tattoos, and I do, I'm always in some shit. Well, so it's interesting you said

reputation earned or otherwise. Right. You do acknowledge that some of this is earned, right? Right, absolutely. And I'll be the first to tell you, but I just think it's a part of me it's in me it's not who i am you know i never let the basketball at all define who i am so i think when people meet me now i'm starting to kind of show who i am more post-career now that they're not getting fined for everything i do until people start to get to know who i am like okay well shit you're not the

person we thought you were so i think it i find pleasure and joy in kind of seeing people's kind of perceptions of me change as they're almost talking to me. Like, oh, shit, you know how to talk too? Yeah, I mean, even like you seem more like soft-spoken than I would have expected. So like, you're just very chill. I mean, I'm a dad. I'm a stoner. I'm an advocate. I'm a businessman.

I'm chill. You know, it's just life is too short to be mad or crazy all the time. I was going to say, so you think you saved it up for, you know, between the lines sort of thing? Yeah, I mean, it was, I was just always, you know, I came from an abusive, physical background, upbringing. You know, we played tackle football on the street when I was little. And so I was just always raised tough. And then, you know, my dad tackle football on the street when I was little. And so I was just always raised tough. And then, you know, my dad always taught me to protect my family, you know, so if my brother or sister got in a fight, even if they won, I had to fight like you're fighting, you know

what I mean? So I just, I kind of, that protector has always kind of been in me, you know? So like I said, it's in me, but it's just, it's not who I am overall. Like if we're just chilling, I'm very chill. Who's, who's a player you play with who needed the most protection? Um, I wouldn't say needed protection, but people just always fuck with them. Probably Blake Griffin. Really? People always used to mess with

Blake. Obviously because I think he was so good, but he was just always on TV and dunking on people and doing all kinds of things. So guys would really take a lot of cheap shots at him. And once we became teammates and I found out how cool he was, I'm just like, okay, I got you. Don't worry about it. I would have guessed the answer there would be Steph. Because Blake seems like a guy who can take care of himself. Yeah, but I mean I'm just like, okay, I got you. Don't worry about it. I would have guessed the answer there would be Steph.

Because Blake seems like a guy who can take care of himself. Yeah, but I mean, that was, I can't understand. I played a half a season with that team and they already had Draymond. So if they got through Draymond, I'm a tough second line of defense. But you got one line of defense already. What do you think the idea, like you were speaking on perception earlier. Like for some reason, I think, I feel like we recently did a thing in the NBA where Steph was the golden child, and now people don't like him. How does that switch?

How does that morph so rapidly? That's why you just can't take anything serious. You know, one day they love you, one day they hate you. You know what I mean? And it's crazy to me how downplayed Steph and KD's talents as a whole are because they play together. Or they just cancel. No, both these motherfuckers are very good. You know, to me, KD's the best player in the world steph's right in the mix um

you know but if steph takes a like willingly takes a backseat no question you can see now it's like it's crazy he's out of the game all right i'll just hit every three people talk a lot of shit people don't understand like that team everyone kind of had to take a backseat i think even kd took a backseat and i just think of late after the patrick beverly shit kd is kind of all right you guys keep pushing like keep poking that bear. I'm going to show you what I can do. You know, he's efficiently scoring 35 a game and, you know, playing on another level.

But he's passive too before that. You know what I mean? Sometimes if it's not his night, you know what I mean, or it's Steph's night or it's Klay's night, I think all these guys sacrifice so much. But then once KD kind of got hurt, people quickly forgot how good Klay and Steph are. Come on, man.

When it was like, you know, are they going to be able to pull it out? It's like, oh, we'll just go back to the first dynasty team. Right, right. You forget. I mean, like I said, the only thing that's different from that time, like they're not as deep, but then their bench is played well. You know what I mean? Now that they're getting a chance to play because they haven't really got a chance to play,

but they've been ready. But, you know, to me, it's hard to bet against Steph and Klay, and then you throw Draymond in that mix, and Iguodala in that mix, and Sean Livingston in that mix. It's a disgusting fucking team. These guys, they know each other like the back of their hand, and I think their chemistry gets them over the hump a lot. I'm a Knicks fan.

Yeah, exactly. That snicker says it all. I stupidly let myself get my hopes up last night that was a fucking catastrophe and now i'm like now i'm not willing to let myself get my hopes up about kd either which sounds like it's like a hundred percent a done deal if you talk to you know anybody who thinks they're in the know uh do you think so so you tell me is kd coming here i don't know to be honest with you would you come here if you were kd let me say that or in general let me ask you this would you

would you be okay with playing for for the next playing for a guy like james dolan for like a team that's ownership is always a fucking nightmare and that's what i look at you know i look at up top you know because i being with the warriors the first time and then being with them the second time the only thing that changed was management and in draft time and then being with them the second time, the only thing that changed was management and drafts and keeping their court. The Warriors were always notoriously known for getting rid of whoever they got that was good. So management had changed and it started at the top. And you got great owners, great management, coaches, staff, everything.

And you end up with championships. So same thing the Lakers are going through. To me, if I'm a superstar, do I want to go put myself in a fucking mess like that well you don't know who's calling what shots and then why would you same thing here you know Dolan has notoriously been not a very good owner so like I said if you're here to win you know what I mean like you have to worry that it's not built sturdy you know um do you think that he's doing that on purpose do you think I he's doing that on purpose? Do you think,

I'm getting the vibe. That Dolan? No, KD, like I'm getting the vibe, you know, he kind of, he caught his,

his flack for super team and joining the Warriors. And now it's like, okay, well, I'm going to go take the worst fucking organization and prove that I can do it. It'd be interesting to see. Like I said, I really don't know.

I, to be honest with you, I don't know if, if KD's mind is made up, you know, you hear all these stories, it's a thousand percent going to happen. You just don't know. To be honest with you, I don't know if KD's mind is made up. You know, you hear all these stories. It's 1,000% going to happen. You just don't know.

You know what I mean? Like stuff changes all the time. You take management out of the equation, which is hard to do. But if you take ownership, management is solid. They have a good group of guys doing things now. I would have to take somebody with me. Yeah, right. For sure.

Like, not coming alone. For sure. And anything, I mean, imagine, hypothetically, KD and Kyrie go there, KD and someone, another star go there. His legacy is going to skyrocket if he's able to put this team on track to be relevant again. You know what I mean? To jumpstart the Knicks, like, you're a god.

You don't even have to win. Just, like, get me back in the fucking conversation. you're a god you'll be a god no to just jump start the conversation you're a god that's where the bar is for you yes absolutely but i literally just want to be a fan again i just like i used and i really think it's that serious to be on like to to be able to be like you change the knicks like holy shit like you know i mean that's a lot and that would be special but on the flip side you know why not stay with the Warriors and win as many championships as you can

that's that's the easy one for me and like there's especially with Kyrie I feel like I'm a Celtics fan

so I feel like Kyrie is like KD has to watch that from afar and then just this whole postseason this whole season

and just be like I have such a good thing going I like my teammates like me. My teammates will take a back seat for me. No one really, there's not too much bitching. I guess there was a little bit to start the season. But, like, I'm in a great situation.

I'm happy. I make a lot of money. Why do I need the stress of New York and Jacksonville? And the one thing I would counter to that, like, I'm a Warrior fan and Laker fan now that I'm done. Those are the teams i i'm for i think the one thing about this team the way it's set up no matter how how many finals mvps or possibly a three-peat this year that this team does it's always going to be steph's team so as a competitor and you know possibly as a superstar he may be thinking like like you were saying earlier i can show like i'm good enough he and he's he's definitely good enough to carry

a franchise there's no question about that. But to me, you're going to need to bring another star with you because that's just the way the game is constructed now. You okay with that? Yeah, it is what it is. Because I feel like you would be a little more of like an old school vibe, right? You know, that's kind of how I started. But to me, you kind of always have to just stay with the flow.

You know what I mean? Because it's going to move whether you like it or not. started but to me you kind of always have to just stay with the flow you know what i mean because it's going to move whether you like it or not you know like i'm not the biggest fan of all these touch pussy ass fouls they call and but the nba wants more scoring and that's what's continuing to make our game grow the way it is because there's more three-pointers there's more dunks people are scoring more points you know because they're not letting you play defense or foul people so i i don't like but i understand where they're going. What about all this chummy shit? You down with everybody being boys?

It's different now because we all really know each other. First of all, back in the day when I was playing, you'd see these guys in AU, and then you'd play them a little bit in college, and then you'd match up against them. Now you can always see what they're doing. Now everyone migrates to LA in the summertime, so you're playing pickup basketball with these dudes at UCLA anyway. You're on the same team so it's just a different it's a different

time you know like back in the day it wasn't and i was never really like i had plenty of friends but like if we're friends and you're on the other team like i'll take your head off the whole game and then after the game we can be cool and smoke or drink or whatever we're gonna do grab some dinner but during the game it's like wartime so i I don't like the chummy during the game shit. Like, I'm not for that. Like, that's the enemy during the game. But after the game, it just kind of is what it is. Have you had anybody that you were cool with and then, like, you know,

game starts and you're trying to take their head off? Zach Randolph. Me and Zach Randolph got into it during the playoffs because he was someone that he didn't like Blake. So he would always try to come with Blake. And, you know, Zach and I were cool, still cool. But I just, you know, I had to, you know, flagrant foul Zach. Yeah, you're crazy going at Z-Bo.

We kind of got in each other's face. And, I mean, Z-Bo's my guy, you know what I mean? But like I said. Was he like taking it back at all? No, I mean, he came up to me and we get face-to-face and then he kind of patted me. I just think he knew like, okay, like he's in war mode like I am. You know what I mean, he came up to me and we get face-to-face and then he kind of patted me. I just think he knew, like, okay, he's in war mode like I am. You know what I mean?

And then after the game, we could be cool. I have a question. I've seen kind of a debate a little bit on Twitter with this today because of all the draft stuff last night. What do you think of the draft? I've never really thought about it. What does an athlete think of the draft? Do you think you're demanded you have to go work somewhere?

I've never thought about it. Yeah, I actually thought it was interesting. I think it was Bomani Jones on ESPN. He's like, if you think about it, they should get rid of the draft

and just free market should have it. Because I could see being an 18-year-old, like John Morant's like, I have to go play in Memphis. I don't really want to go to Memphis.

Yeah, yeah. I think that would be if they just did a three-day signing period. It would be more entertaining. Yeah, it would be more entertaining than the draft would.-day signing period. Every week. It'd be more entertaining. It'd be more entertaining than the draft would be. Yeah, but you got to see. Then you got to think like some people are never going to go to certain cities.

Right. You know what I mean? But money? Like I'll go live in Memphis for a shitload of money. Yeah, but then what if, you know, the Clippers are offering you the same amount of money? Then I'm going to LA. Right. You know what I mean?

So if everything is fair with money. I mean, the draft is needed. You know, I think, I personally NBA and the needed Zion to be here. I think it just would have been such a better much, you know, a better storyline. And it would have brought some hope and enthusiasm. But let's not get it twisted, man. R.J. Barrett, if he falls to three, he was supposed to he was supposed to be the number one pick. You know, unanimous high school player of the year, won all the awards, you know, put up amazing numbers at Duke.

He just happened to have just as amazing sidekick and someone that can jump to the moon. Right. You know, so I wouldn't be too down, like, if R.J. Barrett is going to be able to live up to what he's supposed to do because that kid could play. I know, but it's just not Zion, you know. Like, again, I'm trying to just be excited again.

And when you're sold this dream. Yeah. But, you know, I think we will see. I think R.J. Barrett should have a serious fucking chip on his shoulder, too. You know? And it's going to be tough, too, because it's always going to be like, damn, we have him and it should have been Zion. So he's going to have to come here, especially here. He's going to have to come here and show his ass.

You know what I mean? Like, he's really going to have to be on his game because you guys are already a tough ass crowd you know what i mean so if he i mean they're not a tough crowd anymore all you want is to get into the conversation that's it they talk a lot of shit i'm not gonna talk shit i mean i'll for me all my teams here in new york all fucking suck i'm not i'm going at ownership i you know i'm not i'm not gonna hate on rj not going to hate on R.J. Barrett. I hate fucking James Dolan. He's a scumbag. He's the worst owner in sports.

I hate his guts. That's the problem with the Knicks. It's not R.J. Barrett yet. I don't know. James Dolan gets his hands on him and fucking ruins him. You saw how he said yet. Yeah. So I guess earlier last year, for the first time ever,

I don't know how it just happened, they re-released the footage of the Kobe Bryant non-flinch. And I thought you were so vindicated in that because it like... How have you been quiet this long about that? I mean, it wasn't even at his face, man. But it was at his face. It was at his face. Was it?

Because the other angle looks like it wasn't. It was weird. I don't know where the angle came from, but I put that ball right in his face when you saw the ultimate angle it was at his face was it? because the other angle looks like it wasn't I don't know where the angle came from but I put that ball right in his face I put it right in his face and to me

the fact that it lived on so it's 10 years ago you know what I mean it's still but how do you find what are you looking for when you're just

going through some old ass footage and I'm looking at a different angle of a scene it's weird you know what I mean for it to come back up

when that resurfaced you're like ah fuck I didn't really i mean it's still since then you know i'll post a newborn picture of one of my sons kobe didn't flinch like bitch you know i mean like the kobe didn't flinch i i guarantee i could find you one on my twitter you know i mean excuse my instagram right now but so it's it's it's always been whatever to me it's never been a big deal i argue that not flinching is stupider than flinching. Like, you should flinch. Crazy, yeah.

It's not like a proud thing to not flinch. Like, you should have the reaction. You should flinch. You're about to get hit in the face. You should move. A normal person would have. You know what I mean? It was funny because he, Ridiculousness, kind of a short story,

Rob Dyrdek shows my twin service show, so we went on there, and then Kobe just went on there after us, maybe a month or two after us and they asked both of us about it and he talked about it and i never heard him talk about it you know i mean so i heard him talk about it and then i kind of just always you know he's just he's like you know i knew he wasn't going to hit me but it just it was what it was we were battling that game and you know matt's my guy and we ended up being teammates after whatever the situation was. But it was interesting to hear his take because I don't think either of us really thought it was that big of a deal.

Really? I definitely didn't. I'm sure he didn't give a shit either. Yeah, I mean, it's obviously a pretty inconsequential play, but it is just such a bizarre human thing to not have. I would imagine, though, if there's one person who would respect your style of play and your career, it would be Kobe Bryant, right?

Yeah, that was the one thing he said you know anyone crazy enough to fuck with me is crazy enough to play with me great fucking line we became teammates

after that I was in talks with Orlando to re-sign there and then he hit me up like do you want to be a Laker I'm like fuck yeah

and like five days later I was a Laker that's awesome so that's how we kind of became teammates so it's been cool anyone who's crazy enough to fuck with me

is crazy enough to play with me I'm like I'm gonna get that tattooed on what are they playing with though So it's been cool. Anyone who's crazy enough to fuck with me is crazy enough to play with me. I'm like, I'm going to get that tattooed on me. What are they playing with, though? That was fucked up. How much, I've always wondered this, how much when you get fined.

It sucks. Yeah, it does you know I mean it's not that you're losing money but like you've obviously made a decent chunk of cash as well yeah I lost a lot I think someone tallied

I think it was close to like $600,000 I lost over my career that's a lot that's a lot of money no matter who you are and it just it's bullshit

it is what it is I think you get fined over like small shit especially me you know once I kind of developed my reputation I was getting

$7,800 here for saying something on, saying shit on, or something crazy on Twitter. I'm just like, what?

What? Fuck? Wow. You know, and then, they fine you for saying stuff on Twitter?

I don't remember what it was. I've been fined like three times for saying stuff on Twitter. Really? But it's crazy

because thinking about like, these aren't just small fines, like it's $25,000 here, $50,000 here. I got suspended for a game and it was, you small fines like it's 25 000 here 50 000 here i got suspended for a game and it was a you know a hundred you know so it's just like it's a lot of fucking

money you get to write that off i wish no no because i mean it is it is technically being donated charity right so i don't know i've always wondered where they where it really goes like i should be like if you get fined you should be able to say like to what charity it goes yeah i mean so it's for your money what you need to do is just rebrand it like i'm not being fine these are just donations to the matt barnes charity right now you're a good guy that'd be awesome if i can donate to my own thing we would have been rolling in it so let me ask you this i mean what are you doing like what's next because i as when we found out you were coming in i was like all right what are we promoting is it a book is it a show is it something and and it just sounds like you

came through to to talk but obviously you have aspirations um yeah first and foremost just a dad i love that i got twin year 10 10 year old 10 year old twin boys um that i coach football and basketball i just had a five month old son so i got you know i got three kids now so being a father is amazing just having more time man right it is hell of an age gap, man. Right, it is. Crazy, right? You're back into diapers. But it's good. I love it, though, because my twins think they're fucking 10 going on 18. They don't need me for nothing. You know what I mean?

Right, right. So to have a baby background, I absolutely love it. And then that cannabis advocate and activist. I'm working with UCLA on a UCLA cancer research program. Excuse me, cannabis research program. UCLA cannabis research program where we're studying the plant from head to toe and doing all kinds of clinical trials and in hopes to change some regulations in sports. Now, how, obviously, this isn't a new hobby you found.

Yeah. So, like, how often did you, like, smoke, like, while playing? The whole time. Yeah? Does the NBA not test for it? They do. There's just ways around it. You know what I mean?

Like, I obviously, you know, I couldn't smoke as much during the season that I would do during the summertime, but I would just have to eat clean, drink a lot of water. I was always in the steam room and just kind of keeping it,

you know, So when you, when you see someone fail a test, you just keep fucking it? No, because like you got, it took a lot of work

not to fail. Really? I can't give all my secrets because I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but it took a lot of work for me to be able to, but I was,

I was willing to do that because every time I took a pill, it hurt my stomach and I wasn't, I mean, I'm a social drinker. I'll go have a shot or a drink with you, but I don't like of work for me to be able to but I was willing to do that because every time I took a pill, it hurt my stomach. I'm a social drinker. I'll go have a shot or a drink with you, but I don't like to drink. So for me to just be able to sleep or to unwind or to take some pain away, it was always

weed for me. So I'm doing that. The NBA feels pretty progressive in general. Are they making strides? It's definitely on its way. To the NBA and the NBA's players' associations, they're definitely making strides and hiring's definitely on its way. They definitely embrace gambling. To the NBA and the NBA's players associations, they're definitely

making strides in hiring doctors and doing their research and their due diligence and the fact that they're even listening. You know, I think sports as a whole

is doing a good job. I think CBD will be in professional sports within the next year-ish. And I think they're going to be able to have, you know, hopefully our trainers

prescribe cannabis for us just like they'd prescribe opioids for us. You know, so I think that's probably in three to five year range. Hopefully we can speed that up. That's crazy. It's legal.

Yeah, it is. It's a legal thing. Why should it take five more fucking years? It's ridiculous because there's just people that don't change their ways. They should or anybody, you know what I mean? But, you know, what is it? David Irving just retired from the Cowboys, right? Smoking because he got in trouble for smoking again.

So I just think it's a process. i think obviously that people need to educate themselves i think more people need to hear our stories you know why we do it when we do it this is what happens when we do it because i think if there's a huge negative stigma on it that you smoke and you're going to be a loser and you're going to be this and you're that and some of the brightest minds and best athletes in the world smoke you know so i just think right there it's just more education i'm launching my brand called Swish. So it will be a health and wellness CBD line and then a flower line. I'll be launching this summer. Big money in that, bro.

Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. Who would ever thought that I'd go from playing 15 years of basketball and getting paid good money to being paid to smoke and promote weed now. What the fuck? Open a lot of doors. Two best jobs ever. You want me to taste this?

You want me to tell you what this does to me? Like, oh, sure. You know, so that's right. And then I have, you know, like a handful of other businesses. I have a fresh, fresh juice company where we have three stores and it's called Vibe Health Bar in Sacramento. And kind of our motto is Starbucks but with juice and healthy food.

So we kind of feel like the new millennial is more juice than coffee so we kind of just create a whole Starbucks vibe, a new hipper vibe around juicing. See, I would not have guessed that.

You do. You ever think about this stuff? I'm launching a podcast with Steven Jackson. We're launching it in the summertime. So be looking out for that

it's called All the Smoke you would have found the only guy crazier than you in basketball so yeah sorry what was it called All the Smoke

so we'll be you two did we'll be taking topics down you know and it'll be more than it won't just be sports it'll be just life you know

what's going on with that when can you find that that'll be we're in talks with Showtime right now Showtime's very interested and we also have a few other options but to right now Showtime's kind of the lead dog with that when can you find that um that'll be we're in talks with showtime right now showtime's very interested and we also have a few other um options but to right right now showtime's kind of the lead dog with that so we'll see how that plays out sports in mind bro yeah no i'm saying that someone told me that earlier so uh you know we have some platforms so we're excited about that

i have a uh a betting company which sounds strange but it's actually dope so we have the likeness the nba likeness uh licenses so we can create any player on a bed and a pillow type situation. Oh, betting. I thought you said betting. I was like, you're doing CBD,

juice bars, gambling, you are really fucking caking. No, betting. So pretty much we can decorate your whole room with your favorite player

and team type situation so I'll show you guys once we're done. It's really dope. It's basically for kids but we're about to shoot that out of the water. I have a men's grooming line that's in Target.

So I do hair care products. I'm doing a CBD infused skincare. How are you? I'm trying to, I'm trying to get, I'm trying to be super filthy rich. My ex took a lot of my money and then shot the poor. You know,

I had to start over. The NBA took a lot of my money. So I knew, but I'm someone that just, you know, everything I do, I love doing. So it's not work to me, but I just knew like I made good money, but I was never going to be able to make like sit of my money. So I knew, but I'm someone that just, you know, everything I do, I love doing. So it's not work to me, but I just knew like I made good money, but I was never going to

be able to make like sit on my ass. Fuck you world money. You know what I mean? So I was excited about what was next. So I think, you know, I started, I'm fortunate to play until I was 37 at like around 30, 31. I'm like, all right, well, if it ended today, what do I want to do? So I kind of mapped out some things I wanted to do.

And it took three or four years, I think, for things to start start rolling i think that's what athletes sometimes have a hard time with like if you don't have a game plan to get anything rolling it doesn't happen like that you know i mean so i think that's where guys get lost you know i mean so i was fortunate enough to start um you know a while ago and things really started rolling um by the time i was done playing so like i just i love being able to just you know i be a dad, and I can take meetings from home, and I can smoke when I need to smoke. There's no complaints, man. I love what's going on post-career.

Hustling, dude. Same way you were on the court. You're sitting off the court, dude. Appreciate that. Well, we appreciate you coming through. Good luck on all of those fucking endeavors. Thank you, man. Thanks a lot, man.

Appreciate it, fellas. Yeah. All right, big shout-out to Matt Barnes. He's going to make so much more money on all his other shit than he did on the NBA. Jesus Christ. Leave some for the rest of us, man, you overachiever. Then if he gets wind of that, I didn't say that, dude. Let's talk to my boy Mosh now.

Mosh is a friend of mine who makes custom sneakers. We've been talking for a little while now. He made a pair of SAFTB, Saturday for the boys, Jordan 1s. He hit me off with these Ace Ventura, Patrick Ewing collabs. I think I'm about to do another collab with him, just a KFC 1. See what Mosh can come up with, put that on the KFC Radio Wall of Fame. So I'll do a little sneaker talk here to wrap things up today. All right, KFC Radio now featuring what I, who I believe to be probably the best custom

sneaker creator on the planet. Thanks, man. You just got to be up on the mic. We got your boy Mosh in here, and I mean, you know, we're in the presence of greatness. Oh, God. No, because I mean, I really do believe, though, that if not the, you are one of the top guys at your craft, which is always a pretty pretty cool thing i think it's good to be at the top of anything yeah yeah that's what i mean it's

uh it's wild because you know when i started there wasn't many people doing it now you fast forward 20 years there's so many guys doing uh-huh so but it's like so many different things like there's different techniques there's people that just take apart shoes people at the part you know so like i think we kind of lumped into one category. Right, and it's certainly not that way. Not as we know, but I think common sneaker people or whatever are like, oh, it's customs, and that's it. Well, let me ask you about that. We'll get into more about the customs.

But the sneaker world versus the non-sneaker world is an interesting dynamic. And I just hope to kind of float between the two because I think not knowing shit about it and walking around with lame shoes, I don't want to be that guy. But being like the hipster sneaker head, I know more than you. I have better taste than you. I buy more expensive shoes than you. Whatever it may be, that guy drives me equally as crazy. They're the worst.

Yeah, right? I mean, there's a question for you. Who would you rather be? Like you're walking around with fucking Sperry's on every day, like just lame dad shoes and penny loafers, or you're the asshole who thinks his entire self-worth is based on owning the latest off-white drop or something like that. I only can pick one side of the spectrum. I'd be the lame.

Yeah. I'd rather be the lame. I swear to God, I swear. I'd be happy. Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like those people that are really judging, they're so insecure with themselves spectrum i'd be the lame yeah i'd rather be the i swear to god i swear yeah happy yeah because i feel like those people that are really judging they're so insecure with themselves that they gotta show it throw shade and that kind of goes with not even just sneakers that's life in general

yep trolls all that shit it's like when i hear enough flack that i hear it i'm sure you hear plenty of it too you're like i feel really bad for that person yeah like like what what is it to make you put that energy towards that person? And don't get me wrong. I mean, I still get sucked in and be like, fuck you and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's only human. It's only natural.

But that's why you have people talk you off the ledge. Or you think about it. You're like, all right, is it 12 o'clock in the afternoon or is it 12 midnight? You know when you should be really tweeting or talking. Yes, that's a good point. That's a good point. I'm putting the phone down. Yep. It's always smart.

Disconnect a little bit there. Yeah, to me, I call sneakers legal drugs to people. That's why I want to get into – I mean, you know better than anybody, right? I do. So I've always wanted to get more into it, the business side of things and the content side of things, because people eat it up and they will spend – they'll be late on their rent, but they got the latest drop. That's true. But at the cost of, you know, the more that I got to know about the sneaker world and see how many people are truly just like, you know,

whatever Kanye drops, they want. Whatever Virgil puts out is a must-have, and anything that's not those is lame. And it's like, what do we, you know, I just feel it's almost like wine. You know when, like, the people who know wine the best is like you don't need the 300 bottle right you can get quality for like 25 bucks but you get the guy who doesn't know and they want to show off so they're like yeah i got this that the guy told me is the best exactly i dropped you know thousands of dollars on the secondary market for it it's like all right good for you guy but that doesn't mean that there's not some other brands that aren't as popular or some other models and silhouettes that that aren't right

that aren't heat you know yeah and then and silhouettes that aren't heat. Yeah, and then you get into a deeper question, and then they get exposed in about five minutes, and they don't know what's going on. And you know what? It's not even that they don't have to know the whole backstory and the lineage of Michael Jordan. I don't know everything either. No, you don't have to be, but I feel like just don't act like you are who you're not

or whatever, and that's fine. And I think we kind of give everybody a pass. Not to say I'm the gatekeeper of sneakers. But if there is going to be one guy up there it's going to be you because i mean you you got to a point where so so your background are you just like an artist like did you start like when you're younger you painted yeah like on canvas it's actually funny i never was a painter i never did colors like my my grandma was an art teacher so that's where the artistic talent came from you know i wasn't taught it was just it was there um my mom

can't draw a straight line with a ruler so like it totally i wasn't taught it was just it was there um my mom can't draw a streetlight on the ruler so like it totally skipped that generation so it was just totally inherent but you know when i was a kid you know i'd be in the as if i wasn't playing sports i was at my grandma's house and she had like a back studio and i would just draw cartoons and i drew sneakers back then i was drawing my own little designs and whatever and if i wasn't doing that that's what i was doing you know and it's kind of wild that, you know, however, I'm going to be 40 this year, which is wild. So I'm going to finally have something with my name on it for people to be able

to consume. It's kind of like, you never thought when you were a little kid, I thought I was either going to be a pro baseball player or like a cartoonist drawing Garfield. Right. Right. You don't know. No, I mean, and the way that it hits and that you can combine your talent with like your passion and what you like to wear and all that shit is pretty awesome. Yeah. Pretty lucky. And it's definitely easier to look a little more swag-tastic with sneakers.

I came in and Ebony is her name? Yeah. She was like, oh, you must – Oh, boy. She's like, oh, you don't see too many white boys with swag walking in here. So she must be here for Kevin. I'm like, because you're coming in with shoes. I'm like, yeah.

So we had a nice little combo. But she found out that i wasn't i wasn't a poser real quick yeah she knows she knows her shit she can tell for sure the first thing uh so she used to be our security guard she wasn't actually for barcelona she's working for the building yeah yeah and every time i would come in with a new pair she'd be like oh what you got on your feet she was telling me how much she so i ended up actually grabbing her a pair i bought her a pair of 12s uh because she just you know she said she didn't have any late any sneakers recently she was going through a tough time so i bought her a pair of 12s because she just, you know, she said she didn't have any late, any sneakers recently.

She was going through a tough time. So I bought her a pair of 12s. So we were like thick as thieves after that. Right. And then she got moved to another building, the security company. Yeah. And we were like, no, fuck that. We need Ebony in our life.

And we were like, you know, let's just hire her here. So she's our internal security guard now. That's awesome. And all we do is just talk about kicks. You know what? I think I actually heard her on the radio this morning. Yeah, probably. Yeah. With the breakfast.

And it's just funny because I was like, I was hearing her talking about fighting people and stuff. Oh, yeah. Then you definitely heard Ebony. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's great to get a face with a name. Yeah. She's a real one for sure. But the, so you start designing sneakers for fun?

Oh, yeah. It was always fun. It was one of those things that as a kid, like I wasn't broke, but I wasn't like, didn't have a lot. I lived in a trailer park for most of my life when I was a kid, like I wasn't broke, but I wasn't like, didn't have a lot. We lived, I lived in a trailer park for most of my life when I was a kid. Where at? Um, Poughkeepsie, New York. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm good. All upstate. Well, upstate. See, you know, I know, you know, it's real touchy. The, the, the, what, what defines upstate is the touchiest thing for all of New Yorkers. Cause everybody, wherever you live, you want to say upstate is just above you because you don't want to be from upstate. Exactly. And the thing is, if you're in New York, anything that's not New York and the five boroughs is upstate. Yeah.

There's a lot of New York up there. Oh, yeah. And like I've gone to school up in Oneonta. That's upstate. That's upstate. That's upstate. I went to school in Albany. That's getting upstate. I wouldn't call Poughkeepsie upstate. No. I would say it's, you know, you're getting deep into the Westchester burbs, but you're not upstate. See, what's good about Poughkeepsie is it has like 10 minutes one way, you're in the hood, in the projects. 10 minutes the other way but you're not upstate. See, what's good about Poughkeepsie is it has like 10 minutes one way, you're

in the hood, in the projects. 10 minutes the other way, you're in cow country. And like my wife always used to bust my balls. She's like, you're country. I'm like, no, I'm not country. It's just almost as touchy as saying upstate. And she's from Connecticut, so she's not gangster either. She ain't gangster either. She's not from Norwalk. I'm like, alright.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, I remember somebody being like, the Bronx is upstate because they were in Manhattan. And I remember someone being like, they live downtown. They were like, North of 14th Street is upstate. I'm like, fuck all you guys. Give me a break. I've always said, I guess it's more of an east-west sort of thing when you look at the map. But I think when you start getting over the Tappan Zee and you start getting into some of that territory.

Like past Rockland. Yeah. Like that way. But yeah. And it's definitely a different type of person out there yeah they're they're something no doubt i stood out like a sore thumb i went on ianta i believe that yeah it was tough so you start designing them for fun yeah what like like who was your i know eventually got to the point where you you what you designed a pair of custom uh lebrons with the iron man type of theme right for him and but what was what was the one that he saw i was like i need to get in touch i did a i You designed a pair of custom LeBrons with the Iron Man type of theme, right? For him. So what was the one that he saw and was like, I need to get in touch with this guy? I did a pair of LeBron 10s that was based off of the Devastator from Transformers.

Got it. And I did them for myself. Right. And someone of his crew or team showed him the shoes and he was like, I need these. And he posted it on his Instagram, right? He posted it on his Instagram and had a picture of like my ashy ankles, like with his shoes on. I'm like, Oh,

I'm the only one that's there. Yeah. So what is that like? So you, you're just fucking around on Instagram or maybe somebody starts texting you saying, check out LeBron's IG. And are you just like,

holy shit. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you never think it's ever going to, yeah, you do. You're in small time,

whatever. I can never see this and whatever. And this is, this is obviously way before, you know, LeBron is what he is now. I mean, I'm building schools and shit. I mean, he was still a really, really big deal, but he wasn't like a cultural icon. No, not like that.

I mean, he was the man. I figure if you go by followings, he might have had like 5 million followers as opposed to like 45 million now. Right, right. And I hate to even compare follower accounts as to how big they are because it's bullshit. No, but when you get to that level, it is. LeBron's LeBron. You're now into a level that you are more than just a celebrity or an athlete. You're something bigger than that.

Yeah, exactly. So he already knew who I was, and actually his, like, I mean, they know. It's like between either Nike or their people or whatever. Yeah. But one of his guys reached out, and I ended up befriending this guy and just was like, yo, LeBron wants to get a pair. Let's do it, yada, yada, yada. Then I was, at the time, I was still kind of coming up in my business,

so I saw an opportunity for obviously people. Other people wanted a shoe too, so I made a run of 12 available to buy. And LeBron's like, you know, he goes, that's dope and all. He goes, I want to get a one-on-one. I want something just for me. So then, what'd you charge for the 12, by the way?

What'd I charge? Probably a lot different now. Yeah, it was probably like 600. Jeez, I mean, but that's with the shoe. That's whatever.

Like, that's the thing. Like, that's, you know, considering what it'll run you now, you could have got a mosh original for, yeah,

I mean, shit. When I was slinging the, the shoes in the barbershop, shop you're getting for 75 bucks because i didn't know what the hell i was doing well that's so what's that you just link up with a local barber shop well that was the thing like when i was in poughkeepsie i mean there was this is before mind spaces before all that stuff i was in my mom's basement drunk painting on shoes and it only started because i saw a magazine article of someone doing art on shoes. And I was always a competitive type. Like I said, I played college sports and all that stuff.

So I was like, I can definitely do better than that. And then when I did my first pair, they were fucking terrible. Really? But it's like, you know, at the time, there was not really much to compare it to. When you say you did your first, you're talking like paintbrush on sneaker type of like literally drawing it out and painting it out on the sneaker. Yeah, it was just colors when I started. But like I said, back then, we didn't know what paints were to use, how to prep a shoe. There's a lot of

things that YouTube and things have taught people over the years. And when I started, there was none of that. So I was just destroying shoes, trying to figure it out. And that's kind of like now I'm the jaded old guy. When I see all these young guys come up and they have all these tools and airbrushing the shit with Photoshop and that. Yeah, well, it's just like

they just had all this wealth of knowledge I didn't have so they had a head start you know something that took me seven years to figure out they're like oh here's the youtube of so-and-so that's the cross you bear as a trailblazer you know what i mean yeah we kind of did it here with podcasts it's like not like we invented podcasting but we were the first one to do it here yeah and then all these new ones come right along and they had this this huge surge in popularity and it's like we're the old grandfather who's just like, well, you know,

we were, we were doing like 200 downloads an episode when we first started, you know what I mean? Right. And then you can either take it as, you know, like motivation for yourself to better yourself or, or you can piss and moan about it and just stay stagnant.

I go somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. But, uh, yeah. So that's kind of how the hell.

And so what, like you just realized, you know, guys at the barbershop or the type of dudes. Oh yeah. So you're like, so I was just making shoes and like, you know, I wore them at the barbershop are the type of dudes who like these. So I was just making shoes, and I wore them into the barbershop, the first pair I did. And they're like, oh, when do they come out? And I was like, I made them. They're like, oh, dope.

So by the month it was done, every barber was wearing my shoes. Big spot. Yeah, of course. Well, that was social media back then. Everyone's ass like, yo, that was like the hair salon for the girls. They talk, and the guys, same deal. used to people just go to the barbershop to talk shit you know so you know they were like you know you know our boy he does it so you know i was just getting better at it so i was charging next to nothing just to get better yeah it's almost

like when people do video they would just want to shoot for a portfolio same deal yeah so i was doing that and then once i felt comfortable enough to really go into doing art, because like I said, I always did art. I had a scholarship partially for baseball and partially for art. What position was it? I pitched. Oh, boy. I pitched in old Yankee Stadium.

Did you? And actually, speaking of your Mets, when the All-Star Game was at Citi Field, Nike had a whole big deal with influencers and whatever to play stickball, Mercer Street. Whatever. But they know my man Julian, who's now he was with Nike at the time, but now he's with the Jaguars. He's like VP

or whatever. He knew I was a ringer. So they bring all these influencers that are really cool and take really good pictures. And I hit a ground rule double like oppo. He goes, don't worry he goes i got because we had our like training at city field and i got the photo of me and it says like mosh on the screen and all that so it's really dope you know there's probably like 125 people in the stands but it

looks awesome yeah yeah so it was it was cool uh so lebron comes along he wants this one of one are you do you charge a guy like that or is it just like well here's the thing because on the one hand here's the pay and the other hand it's like yeah well here's my rule of thumb if i approach you like i've never done a shoe for you then it's on me because it's kind of like all right you're not asking for it whatever and when you come back you know that you're going to come back and you're going to pay but if they're coming to me then i'm charging them right so we kind of worked out something i didn't go this is in 2013 when the all-Star Game was in Houston. So they took care of me like to the nines. Like, you know,

I had court seats for the dunk contest and all that stuff. So like, at that point, I was like, I'm good. Yeah, I mean,

that's payment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was great. So, we ended up delivering the shoes and whatever. And actually, the plan was with those

was I was doing stuff for Wade at the same time. And obviously, they were both on Miami at that time. Yeah. And I had done a War Machine pair for Wade on his way to Wade's. And the plan was to have Wade wear the War Machine and LeBron wear the same time. And obviously they were both on Miami at that time. Yeah. And I had done a warm machine pair for Wade on his way to Wade's.

And the plan was to have Wade wear the warm machine and LeBron wear the Ironman. Got it. And what ended up happening was Nike sent me a size 15 shoe. LeBron wears a 16 in games. Ah. So that's why when he wore them, he only wore them in warm-ups in the finals. Got it. Because he couldn't play in them.

Yeah. Yeah. But it was still a really dope moment. Yeah. That's incredible, man. I tell you. I mean, I feel like sometimes it's the warm-up. You see that a lot in football.

Well, now. Now forget it. You can never, right? Oh, God. I mean, today it's walking through the tunnels, the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't get me started. It's become like a WWF type of vibe, WWE,

which is where you're really making your bones these days. I mean, you designed for anybody with any ounce of swag in the WWE. Yeah, or wants swag. Or wants it. No, it's great how that started because it all goes back to relationships. You understand that? I did campaigns with Seagram's years ago, and I was talking to one of the guys that was on the account,

and I just happened to say, I was like, yeah, I'm watching the NBA finals, and I'm watching a WWE pay-per-view on my phone. He's like, oh, you're into wrestling. I was like, well, yeah, kind the NBA finals and I'm watching a WWE pay-per-view on my phone. He's like, oh, you're into wrestling. And I was like, well, yeah, kind of, because my wife watched Total Divas. So it kind of brought me back into watching that. Wow, interesting. Because obviously, you know, we were kids. We watched it and then it kind of went away.

Then you come back. And he was like, oh, I got a league with my guy, Joe, though he used to work with in the NBA. Now he's with WWE. So he linked us up and Joe already knew who I was. And he was like, yeah, you know, we got to figure out a way to get you in here and do something. So Nikki Bella, at the time, was the only one wearing shoes in ring. So this is SummerSlam 2015, I'd say. And it was just a conversation.

Hey, this guy's a really cool designer. He wants to do some shoes for you. Done. She was like, let's do it. And I had literally a week and a half to get her shoes and keep in mind like girl shoes are a little tougher to get if you're trying to get like jordan ones yeah that's what she wanted so i'm like fuck all right so i had to like find an ebay seller that could sell that was local to get them and whatever exactly and do it you know and then

luckily we got them done and then you know they came up to my studio in connect it's a different studio now i have a different place and but you know it was the whole total divas crew like film crew all i didn't expect this whole big right to do so like it was a little overwhelming but it was cool because you know it kind of opened up you know other other a lot of opportunities and obviously it wants the girls see the one girl with the nice purse they want the nice purse too and that's kind of how and then it just was like growing and you know befriending a lot of people. It really is all about relationships. It is. I knew a stoolie who knew that I was into sneakers.

He was like, I got this guy, Rich Franklin, out in Brooklyn. He wants to come through. We ended up trying to, at this point, I was trying to shoot a sneaker-type show. And he came through. You know Rich. Yeah, of course. They're like stingray skin. I did a shoot with him.

We did a shoot a fair while ago. And that's actually when, so at first I just thought, all right, this guy's, you know, he makes sneakers almost as a hobby or as like a one-off here and there

for people. And then all of a sudden he's telling me that he does merch. Oh, the Rich and Faded stuff's been, he's had that forever. So I put on, I wore his Rich and Faded shirt

and the barstool people started buzzing. Where'd you get that quilted hoodie? Yeah. And I was like, yo, we got to make our own. I was like, I hate to do this, but like, there's too many people buzzing. We're going to make a i was like yo we got to make our own i was like i hate to do this but like there's too many people buzzing we're gonna make

a killing off this let's just make our own right that's what he reached out he was like no no no that's what this is what i do like you get the rich and faded one and then i make one for your company right next thing i know i got this entire line of clothes with rich that is born from the rich and faded line and then i see like i start to follow him on social media and you're liking his shit i'm like oh wait a minute like rich is like he because he's he's pretty he's pretty humble about it all and he's pretty like he's he's he's not the face guy right and I'm always mad at him for that I'm like you should be the fucking front-facing guy you do he's a handsome fellow too I know he's got the look he's got the swagger and he makes like some of the

best fucking sneakers in the game but he's so humble about it where he's just like no I'd rather I mean he's some of the names he's told me that he's actually doing the work for oh yeah our fucking major names oh he's a great ghostwriter what's that about though like i'm not gonna out anybody here but i've heard some names that the sneakerhead community was like would be like oh yeah that dude was designing like a classic custom right and i find out that it's not even his handiwork yeah is that common um it it a, I guess it depends on the person. Everything you make is you? Here's my thing.

I have two other artists that help me out. And what I do with them is they do prep work. So it's either taping, doing base layers, like things that are processes that don't need, like, that you could do on YouTube or like learn. And I teach them my process of how to prep a shoe and whatnot. Right like right now i'm doing a project with cardi b and reebok okay 100 pairs so obviously i'm here talking to you yeah so someone's gotta be so while they're doing that they're prepping shoes and you know and then i'll come back tomorrow and we'll start going i obviously i have the blueprint of what we're doing i do the first one cool and they can do as much as

they can and they're coming to me for the mosh, whatever. So at the end of the day, I'm never going to pull a Warhol and just start stamping. You've got to have my hands on it somehow. Even if it's just minor tweaks and making it from good to great. That's kind of where I'm at. That's what people pay for. Marty, by the way, is a name to be attached to right now. She's a fucking rocket ship to the moon, man. It's awesome.

Just don't let her drug you and rob you, bro. Yeah. I don't think I... I think we wouldn't get to that point. Yeah. But yeah. And it's just... It's wild, I guess, the people that I've gotten to meet.

I mean, obviously people like you, but then even like the shoes for The Rock, which is like... If you want to talk about influence... Would you say that's like the number one? Yeah. That was... The Rock and Jay-Z were, like, my two

bucket lists. I did all the 444 shoes for the Pumas. Wow. That was, um... Because I saw you recently at, like, a brunch with him or something. That was a Grammy brunch, yeah. I've been doing a lot of work with Puma. Again, it's a good relationship, a good partnership. I've been doing stuff with them for the last, god,

like, three or four years. So did Jay come to you? Emery did did so i was with emory and whatever and i was on the phone and i heard and jay was in there and i was you know i'm fanning out i'm like yeah yeah yeah you know because you hear him because like you know it's just not there's not too many people i would get starstruck for anymore he's one of them yeah so like and obviously at the time it the it was more about the moment for the 4-4 tour than like my recognition. And we understood that. And it was cool.

So like, you know, obviously I'm like jumping on the down when I see Beyonce wearing my shoes. But I'm not like, I did those. Or like, you know, like whatever. Play it cool. Play it cool. Try your best. You know what I mean? If Hope and Beyonce are sporting your shit, I don't think I'd be able to play it cool.

Yeah. That's me. It's, you know, proud mama. Yeah. Like one of those deals. But yeah, so then. So who's, who is your dream get now? I mean, if you checked off The Rock and Jay-Z, like who's next?

I don't know. You're running through the WWE otherwise. I mean, for the most part, the only, I think the only guy from WWE I still want to do shoes for is Vince. That's about it. Have you done Shane? Oh, I'm pretty much any custom ones. Okay. Cause I know he,

he obviously is a sneaker head, but I wasn't sure if he had, no, that maybe struck me as a guy who has his own guy already. Shane's awesome. Now, well, he deals directly with,

with Jordan brand, but, but they'll, they'll do special makeups and sometimes he'll be like, eh, you know, well, I have something real quick,

you know, so a couple of pay reviews, I would do stuff for him. Yeah. And even just like other projects, like I'll do stuff for like like family projects like so it's kind of cool yeah and he knows i'll get a phone call like the day before like hey uh raw is uh on monday and uh i already i already do a pair of ones so uh can we do that like you know shaming

man in college you know you do it yeah of course you say how high and he's awesome because i mean obviously he is who he is and he's a one day he's probably gonna be buried in one of your sneakers after jumping off of a goddamn building or something. Oh, my God. He survived. He could kill himself. He survived the freaking helicopter crash. Like, what? He's a superhero.

He really is, man. He's like unbreakable. He's jacked, dude. Yeah, I'm sure. Like, you don't realize it until you actually get next to him. Well, because they're next to freaks. Right. It's like him and Vince are like normal humans, relatively speaking.

Right. And you see them next to an actual normal human and it's like, oh, wait a minute, you're fucking huge. Yeah. And it is, like, they're either really, really big or they're really, really small. Yeah. And obviously they can flip and jump through the freaking roof. Right, right.

So it's kind of, it's wild. So, like, when I walk around, actually, during WrestleMania, I was in the elevator with Maryse, Maryse's mom. Okay. You know, like, the Miz's wife. Yeah, yeah. And she's in there, and I watch the Miz and Maurice show, so I know who his mom is.

And me and my boy are kind of like, we see her like, whatever. And she's like, are you guys wrestlers? And I just started laughing. I was like, well, kind of. Depends on your definition. Yeah. And then she starts, oh, you know, because when I watch Mike's wrestling matches, you know, whatever, and I was like, no.

Not yet. Not yet, bro. I'll tell you what. People keep predicting I'm going to have a run in there. Something's going to happen. Something stupid. I could see it, man. I could absolutely see it.

Could you imagine? Some storyline where somebody disrespects the sneakers that you made. You run in and hit him with a steel chair. I'll tell you what. If Enzo was still in there, baby, that would be a storyline. Yeah. But so, I mean, you got LeBron in basketball, top of the top. You got Jay-Z in the rap world.

The Rock in basically movie and entertainment now. I mean, you kind of checked off the goats of every realm. I did. I did stuff for Jeter, too. I did the Yankees commission me to do his retirement. And I mean, you kind of got Beyonce through Jay-Z. Right. I mean, who was really left?

Rihanna, maybe. Rihanna would be good. Yeah. I remember Kylie Jenner. Like, if you really want to go like that way, I did stuff for Kanye.

Did you? Yeah, that was, that was, what was that like? Because I mean, I feel like he doesn't let anybody fucking,

I didn't deal with him. I was, it was like a gift for like Father's Day. Were you a custom music? No, I did Ultra Boost. It was really cool.

There were, I cut the cages off and did a whole boost it was really cool there i cut the cages off and did a whole like um like a whole pablo-ish kind of deal it was cool it was like olive green and like that they're they're one of my old posts but i did shoes for him and for north are you a knicks fan but i'm not really a knicks fan but obviously i'm rooting hard for him i hope they get zion well because i see the new the new project here is the old school patrick ewing segway look at you. That was like a seminal

moment for you as a fan. Because I'm thinking if I was to design, if I was in your shoes and I was, you know, to me, like, the 11s were like the shoe for me. I was old enough to really be like, oh, fuck, I want those. But if there was something like old school, like you're watching Patrick Ewing and now you're dealing with his

kicks, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest with you. With the NBA, it's really hard to just pick one team because when I was a kid, it wasn't like how it is now with the free agents and making super teams and things like that. And I mean, I'm not knocking. I'm not saying it's bad, but you weren't seeing Jordan try and go get all his boys. Well, he didn't have any boys. He wanted to kill everybody. So it wasn't like that. You're never going to see Patrick Ewing on the Bulls.

No. That ain't going to happen. So he'd going to see Patrick Ewing on the Bulls. No. That ain't going to happen. He'd rather sit there and not win a title. Right. You can't keep it real. But it's one of those things where I just kind of root for the guys I work with. I mean, it's like if I'm watching a game and waiting. Once you get plugged into a world, it's hard to just say,

that guy was a dick to me, or that guy was really nice to me, or this guy's a great business partner. I'll be honest with you, man. All the famous people I've dealt with, all the people are always great never had a bad interaction it's the people around them but the people in themselves they're normal dudes like like but yeah i mean i think i think there's something to what you do i think they're normal because like sneakers are funny they're like kind of like a great equalizer to me where it's true you might be rich or poor or big or small but like if you have a pair on your feet that people make people true it's kind

of and and i think we all kind of remember and this is why i think there's the legal drugs element to it like i said the 11s for me were a pair that i never had my mom wouldn't buy them for me and i couldn't afford them so when they retroed i was like i have to have them and you kind of no matter who you are you you you have the nostalgia play where it's just like yeah you might be a rich rapper but i can sit here and talk to you like i can hold my own in a conversation with you about those kicks that we all wanted well you know from a different era or whatever it's gonna bring you back to your childhood and know where you were and you know when you when you were playing field you know exactly so they're probably cool to you

because they're like this guy can make me happy with like the shoes he's about to create for me and that's there's value in that for a lot of rappers and entertainers and whatever. Yeah. And they're not going to be whack. Yeah. For sure not. So this is the old school Ewings with an Ace Ventura Pet Detective theme. Theme.

Where did that come from? Okay. So a lot of my customs are always themed off of things that are from me growing up, whether it's movies, cartoons, music, whatever it is. Yeah, the nostalgia place. Yeah, I mean, it's not even so much for people to want to buy. It was just shit I wanted to make. And I was like, you know, it's dope.

I made Coming to America shoes for Wade. But that was a custom. This is actually my first ever fully manufactured collaboration. So are these going to be available through your website or are they going to be in stores and shit like that? They're going to be on the Ewing site. So they're released May 1st.

And we're actually going to have a release event in New York. You're invited. How many pairs are we talking? The first 50 that get sold at the event, we have these special custom lace locks for them that say laces out in the dolphin spot. That's awesome. Yeah. So that's for the first 50 and then i believe we made 500 pairs i think that's what we made so it's limited um and it's gonna be on

ewing website um all that stuff um also designed a whole capsule collection so it's like shorts the jacket cool like it would the same kind of print it's it's really dope the jacket this is like the it's like a hawaiian shirt that he wears right yeah so like so this is my my design process i originally wanted to do it so it was just fully the the hawai Hawaiian shirt that he wears, right? Yeah. So like, so this is my, my design process. I originally wanted to do it. So it was just fully the Hawaiian shirt. That's why I wanted to do that print. And, and I was going to do it in a whole bunch of different colors. Like it was like every panel is a different one.

And when we mocked it up, I was like, like, I want it crazy, but like I. Too busy. Yeah. I was like, you know, I was like, I don't want to keep it that real. I'd start turning people off. I want people to still want to rock with it. Yeah. That's the thing. Sometimes customs are, uh, they're like a work of art, but it's like, I don't want to keep it that real that I'd start turning people off. I want people to still want to rock with it. Yeah, that's the thing.

Sometimes customs are like a work of art, but it's like, how can I even wear it? What am I going to wear? What am I going to wear with it? It's too much. Right. Unless if it's a one-on-one for a customer that wants that, then whatever. But obviously when I'm trying to appeal to an audience and obviously make a little coin from it, I want to make something that's a little more nice and pleasing to the eye.

So we ended up going with the color palette of the Dolphins. Obviously, you know, the whole Dan Marino tie-in and all that good stuff. There were some other things that I was going to do to it. Again, they just would have been crazy. Like, I mean, these are a lot more toned down than what the original was. Okay. But they're really dope. And on the back, you know, where it usually says Ewing on the back, it now says Finkel is Einhorn on the back.

Let's break them out. Let's take a look. Well, I'll let you just open them up because this is your 10.5, buddy. I do. I appreciate this. All right. We got the packaging here. I'm actually going to get a little video of you guys doing this.

To serve and protect your pets. It's got the Patrick Ewing signature with the Mosh signature. I love your deal here. This is fully licensed by them, so that's totally official. This is something. There's something else, man. Yeah? But it's like... Even for you, you look at this and you're like, out of all the things you created, is

this something where you're like, God damn, I went in on these? There's something else. It's one of those things where if you're going to give a customizer a shoe, you can't just do colorway. You've got to do something a little crazy. Yeah, yeah. And the Ewing shoe is like... It's some. Yeah, I mean, it's old school.

It's high top. It's thick tongue. It's like a roller blade without the wheels. That's a great way to put it, yeah. You will kick the shit out of somebody wearing those. I love it. I put them on. It's like a fashionable Timberland.

Pretty much. Yeah, you ain't rolling an ankle on these. No, you're definitely not. A lot of support. And, you know, it's a fully self-made upper, so it's all printed in one piece. So, you see the seams. It's all whatever. So, I'm happy with how they came out, for sure.

Like I said, they're crazy. There's no getting around it. I like the black tongue. Yeah, contrast. Black tongue with the gray lace crazy. There's no getting around it. I like the black tongue. Yeah, contrast. Black tongue with a great lace with the contrast. Yeah, exactly that. The Ace Ventura logo on the front of the tongue, the top of the tongue. Finkel and I are wine-worn on each heel.

It's something. It's great, right? I love it, man. And again, so this is like, you know, it's a Ewing shoe from the past. It's a movie that we all grew up on. And it's actually the 25th anniversary of the movie this year. Very cool. So that was just a nice tie-in that happened to work that way.

Because I'll be honest with you, I kind of hoped to have a manufacturer collab years ago. And I've had conversations with other brands at times. It just wasn't the time. It wasn't the time yet. And Ewing was nice enough to be like, yeah, let's do something.

Because Ewing and Chalk Line are together. They're like, you know, they're the same owners and whatever. Chalk Line's the one that they do the movie and the cartoon. All that stuff. So I've done stuff with them in the past. So I was like, yeah, we got to do a show. And they were like, when? You know, whatever.

Yeah, you name it. So, yeah, and they're obviously very like, hey, this is is your baby you do what the hell you want with it and and it was great so like you artists need that freedom yeah because i mean i'll be honest to you like people like oh why don't you work for nike why don't you work for it i'm like like it'd be great and like if you asked dan 15 years ago i'd be like oh hell yeah i'll go to portland and whatever and and i don't and i think having the taste of obviously being my own boss or at least thinking I'm my own boss, I still answer to the lady at home. We've all got a boss.

Yeah, of course. But I don't think I could be able to do it. I wouldn't be able to answer to somebody. But, like, if you, let's say, you know, what if you had a chance to be the next, like, Tinker Hatfield for a guy? Let's say Zion is is like i want to have zion ones through fucking 30 and i want you to design them and we're not talking you know crazy fun type of shit like design design that shoe yeah like make like like the way tinker did with

like yeah where it's like this is an iconic design that you know people can wear on and off the court and all that shit if if they came to you and z said, I want you to be the designer for my entire line, would you give this up for that? It would have to be a totally business decision. And I hate to say it because it's just like, I know what I've created and what I've done. And I think I know enough to know what I would give up to do it. So it's tough.

And I think it'd be one of those conversations that I'd have to like with myself. Don't you think you could do both? It's all about the brand. Right, right. So Nike said like, we just need you to design just a normal shoe,

just, you know, an original concept, but you can still do these types of collabs. If they did that, hell yeah. I mean, that's perfect. But the thing is,

you know, with a lot of the brands, you know, it's either like, oh, you rock with us or you don't. And the thing is like with me, I'm very transparent with all the brands because i you know i've been fortunate to work with every pretty much every big brand in some capacity so

it's they they know that like i'm like i'm sitting here you know slinging my ewing's but i'm wearing jordan's right you know i mean like i'm not you don't be tied down no well and it's just like i want to i enjoy different things and the thing is like i love hype shit i like normal shit i like everything like it's you know that goes back to our earlier conversation it's like like, I want to, I enjoy different things. And the thing is like, I love hype shit. I like normal shit. I like everything. Like it's, that goes back to our earlier conversation. It's like, there are times I'm just as gassed to get a pair of fucking like Asics as I might be.

I have a new Jordan. Of course, people can't appreciate that to me or are the worst of this whole like industry in this whole world. Yeah. What's your favorite sneaker ever? Black and silver Jordan fives. They're tattooed on me.

The thing is that you, what you go, the one for you, you go back to that to that story about you know when you're a kid and whatever shoe was i shoveled driveways and mowed lawns all summer to get the jordans and like you know and you didn't know there was no east bay there was no sneaker news there was no whatever you didn't know it was coming out right you took your butt the full locker and you saw it was on the shelf that's it yeah you walked in that was it and i remember that was that was the first pair i wore them in the ground okay i'm so like the The clear part was separated from the other part so it was flapping. I wore them things.

I've been in my 12s recently. The thing is, you have to get another pair. It's over. People ask me all the time to fix their shoes. I don't do the restorations just because it's a lot of work. Honestly, for my time, I charge too much for that stuff. I'd more rather send you to someone who does that kind of stuff.

Would you take, you know, like if a listener right now just has the cash for it, would you take, you know, any old buddy? Yeah. I mean, pretty much. Yeah. I got about a six-month wait. But what happens is, you know, I do a lot of corporate projects are usually last minute, most of them. So I always know, like, even like like, this Cardi thing was, like,

came about, like, two weeks ago. You think you have free time, and then all of a sudden you don't. Yeah, so, like, and I don't want to have those. And in the past I've learned, I'm like, I had these four people waiting, like, a year for a pair of shoes. And, you know, and obviously they're like, oh, well, you got, you're doing the shoes for so-and-so. I'm still waiting on my whatever.

And I understand. I'm like, no one wants to wait. People complain about Nike ID. But certain things do. You know what I mean? So, like, so I get it. Like, and I understand. So I learn. I'm like, all right, wait people complain about nike id certain things yeah you know what i mean so like so i get it like and i understand so i learned my all right i'm gonna give a six month window and if you know if it's gonna be longer that i'm very open about like yo like you see what's going on i was like you know thank you for being patient i was like it'll be worth it you know we'll make it work what's can i ask you what the going rate is

or you don't put it varies i i compared to getting a tattoo you know it's like you can get something real simple yeah i mean i usually think ballpark about 1,000. That's usually if you want to go real crazy and if you need it, like, tomorrow. Like, I don't really care about who it is. I mean, I care who it is, but, like, I'm not going to be like, oh, because you're not big enough or whatever. Right. Or, yeah, like, I don't care about that. And if they have a theme that I'm really excited about, I'll bump it up because I'm excited.

Because, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, yeah, doing a project's cool, but like doing a hundred of that project, you know, like anything, it's like pressing a button. Right, right, right, right. It doesn't matter. So I don't care. I don't care what the bag is. Right.

So, you know, when someone has something that's like, that's a really dope idea or it resonates with me, I'm like, you know what? It's like, if you want to do this, like, I might even take money off because I want to do it so bad. Right. Because, you know, again, I'm always you know what it's like if you want to do this like I might even take money off because I want to do it so bad right because you know again I'm always looking for ideas I mean I have a lot of them but or someone says do you and I have these this whole like my book of rhymes of you know of things and themes I want to do you know and I'm you know so yeah and you know

hopefully they I sell it to them and they understand it you know or whatever well so the first time we linked up, you did a Jordan 1. You painted over it for like a Navy base, right? We did like the Navy and red color that Barstool has. We did a Barstool logo on the toe box and the back has SAFTB. And as you mentioned earlier, that was the first one where that was on the arm. I think I'm ready for a Mosh Custom. I'm a pony up for it.

You're ready, huh? I'm ready. The time has come. I'm still debating what shoe I want to use. Okay. I think the P-Rod Jordans are one of the most underrated shoes I've ever had.

Which number? The P-Rod ones? No, I think the one that has the elephant print on it. So the J-Rods? Yeah, the J-Rods. Sorry, that's what I meant. The J-Rods, I think, are so underrated are so underrated criminal oh i agree could you give me a custom out of that is that a shoe that you can work with yeah yeah because the thing is well you're right it is a p rod but it's a j rod because it has that jordan one for that specific colorway but yeah i mean i think if there's enough because there's there's there's enough empty space up

on the top that's flat you can make it work right. It all depends on what you're trying to get painted. That's all. Yeah. I mean, I got to figure. But I'm probably going to defer to you on that because I think I'll be one of the people who say you rock me. Do me. Because I'm going to let the artist and the guy who's the best at this shit just you tell me what sneaker you look good. And I kind of going back to what we were talking about, about different levels of customization.

I think kind of what separates some people and other ones is some people are just straight up artists some are just nasty you can just like paint a portrait but they have no concern of the lines of the shoe and there's no like composition of it and like that's why like they'll they'll kill it on like a vans or a chuck taylor or whatever like and like my wife like oh like they're really good i'm like all right we'll see them do that on this one like your panel and the thing is like i'm really i'm really tough on customs like like i love that about you because a couple people have approached me and wanted to do some shit for barstool and it was a little more um let's just call it like simple type of customers

and i remember you just saying like you could you could do that if you want you know and i just i got i understood exactly what you're saying yeah there's a level to this that they're just not at. And I, and I think people, when they hear that, they're like, oh, he's a hater.

And I was like, no, I'm not. I like, if it's, I mean, and everyone's taste is different. Like it's art,

it's subjective. Like something that like, I think sucks. People go nuts for it. You see these customs with like Sharpies and shit and markers. And I'm like, people are like, oh,

these are rolling eyes, but someone loves it. Yeah. And like, Hey, to each their own god bless them make all that money till a wave crashes right whatever then what yeah i mean i've been here i've been here for 17 years yeah well you learn how to just evolve and kind of like

listen enough to what they want but still be able to have my spin on it and kind of kind of keep my thing well yeah i mean i'll give you some some wants and desires but i want i want the mosh custom meaning what do you yeah what do you see for that shoe? Cool. I think that's the biggest thing is you give me some colors, give me something to just run with. Okay. Then I'm good. All right.

I'm going to come up with it. I already got this custom. I appreciate the Ewing pair, no doubt, but I need a KFC one. Let's go. I'm about it. I'm about it, man. So, I mean, you want the people to just follow your accounts. You want people to get out there and get

these pairs. All that stuff. I mean, go buy KFC's merch. Make sure to subscribe to Postmates and all that good stuff. Yeah, buddy. He knows. GoatApp. Do all that. Come on, man. I told you. I listen. I do listen. You do. You're a real one. I appreciate that.

But yeah, I mean, I live in Connecticut, so I don't need Postmates. I just kind of roll out and it's down the road. But for those who can't and don't want to leave the house, go to them. But no, I mean, obviously, if you care about seeing some shoes and whatever, if you don't want to see your customizers all up in the videos dancing, come to Mosh Customs. I love it, man. I've had that one. Come to Mosh Customs. I love it, man. I've had that one in the chamber for about two years. I love it.

But, yeah, that's about it. I mean, like I said, you might rock what I do. You might not. Whatever. I hope you do. Yeah. I think your product is proven. So I appreciate you coming through, and I really appreciate the kicks, man.

Oh, yeah, man. And I'm looking forward to that next collab. I'm ready to pony up, ready to get the full treatment. So we'll see where this journey takes us. Yeah, man. Thank you. Appreciate it.