KFC Radio - Nate Admits He Thought KFC Would Have Him Fired After Their Beef on the Rundown - Inside Barstool

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

Timecodes: 00:00:00 Start 00:01:32 Is The Dozen scripted? 00:04:39 KFC is already experience "mo money mo problems" 00:10:37 Blogging days 00:17:41 Food Reviewing at Barstool 00:34:45 Nate's "spider monkey" era during early Barstool 00:54:42 Smitty vs Nate feud 01:01:31 Dave and KFC came back around on eachother 01:04:18 What's happening with the blog +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rhoback: Go to https://barstool.link/RhobackBSS and use code "KEVIN" for 20% off your first purchase Factor: Go to https://barstool.link/FactorKFC and use code kfc50 for 50% off your first boxYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Or you can get a job for life for being sad. I was just sad. And so, like, it's just like, I swear to God, Nate is the funniest guy in the company. I've never been here. I've never done a show. Really?

Now's your time to shine. Extremely. We want the doll. We've got to let it loose on us. I was saying it's like Michael Scott Paper Company when he finds out that he's going bankrupt. And Pam's like, don't tell him that you know. He's like, I'm not going to say it. And the elevator opens and he goes, I'm going to say it. This could be...

I mean, let's go down. We have two years left anyway. I watched that episode. Turn this bitch down. I watched that episode. Barso can survive without me. I have two years left on my contract. I'm negotiating.

Okay. I'm just reading the script, by the way, that they gave me. I'm just reading the script, by the way, that they gave me. I'm just reading the script. This is all going in the show. It's all running. We got the dog. I love that people think that everything's scripted. It is.

Like, yeah, I'm not a piece of shit. I'm just reading the script again. I mean, the fact that the world pseudo-believed the Arian Foster joke with the script. I mean, if people think that professional sports is... Can I say not pseudo? They're definitely going to... 60-40 believe, not believe. But that is also just Twitter.

But that's also the world now is like, we're in a simulation. What are you talking about? I would argue the one thing that's left that is not is professional sports. The only thing left in the world where it's like we don't know what the outcome is going to be is professional sports where two teams get together. The rest is kind of scripted. But if people believe that sports can be scripted, then they definitely think Barstool Sports is scripted.

What about the dozens? Is that scripted? At this point, I'm woke you would break the tank you guys are lined up he picks who he wants to win I kind of believe that Jeff D. Lowe

creates drama and entertainment and I think he's too defensive about being called rigged and scripted if he is that that is then yeah maybe he needs to cool it i think that we lose sight of that at barstool it's like yeah man i don't know let's like rig some questions so that like that's what the fucking

match is entertaining i don't know it doesn't need to jeff you're you're not running a professional sport you're running a dozen and we're not giving the day that like the dozen has like a hundred thousand dollar prize okay sure you can't do that but right now it's for his job bragging rights at the barstool office his job is to get views and eyeballs on his program and if you have to tilt a match to get frank the tank screaming about it for two weeks the uh fuck was i just gonna say actually i forget i i just anytime anyone ever says jeff d low it just reminds me of like it's literally one of my favorite stories of all time when we fuck was I just going to say, actually? I forget. Anytime anyone ever says Jeff D. Lowe, it just reminds me of, like,

it's literally one of my favorite stories of all time when we went to Pop Punk. Were you on that stream with us? Has the story been told more times than this story? Yeah. I tell a story. It's the best stuff. I was on that stream. I know.

It's my favorite story. You knew I had to be worried about this. You knew I was going to be worried about this. Did you witness it? Yeah. I would love to have witnessed it in my life. Dude, it was like Forrest Gump on a bus. He's like hugging his backpack.

And it's just like, Jeff, we're going to Mulcahy's. I love that. Taking a half hour train to Long Island. I love Jeff because he was one Ken Jack away from being fired that day Dave was mad on radio. Yeah, I forgot about that. If Ken Jack was like homesick, like Dave was that mad at them. What on radio? If Ken Jack was homesick, Dave was that mad at them. Why would he get mad at them?

Dave was like, they don't work. So it was after Duncan wasn't in the office? He goes, you have 20 minutes to get Ken Jack in here or you're both gone. Oh, I don't remember it was that intense. Dead serious. He was like, getting lunch or something

but if he was home sick i don't know what would have happened and then jeff is like i'm gonna make the dozen thank god for covid for him yeah that was huge he was one of those guys who profited off the death of all the americans just like so many of us he's a profiteer another thing that runs in the streets oh man that's fucking great dog I'm in my woke era dude I think everything's fake

no no you're not it's like almost the opposite of woke you're like red pill or whatever yeah yeah whatever it's called I'm seeing the world

for what it is yeah yeah no you've seen the matrix bro yeah realize realize realize you know I hate that so

much but then like you die and it's like all right i'm dead nothing mattered i'm also in my people a lot more people need to congrats on being rich by the way that's awesome because i would say i'm in like money doesn't matter like who cares uh just saying and but no now that you have all of it like do you feel more conscious about spending it oh yeah because when i had zero dollars in my name no this is yes when i had zero dollars i didn't care about spending it? Oh yeah. Because when I had $0 in my name I didn't care about spending it because I would still have $0. The more money I get, the less I want to spend it. I disagree with that.

I hate spending now. And I'm not rich. There was a time where I legit hit $0 during the divorce. Well, pretty much $0. I had to borrow money and shit. But I wasn't like, oh, I can't order DoorDash tonight and not like well pretty much zero dollars i had to like borrow money and shit but i was like i wasn't like oh i can't i can't order a door dash tonight because i was like what's the

difference if i have yeah four hundred dollars or three hundred and eighty dollars that's whatever i believe that's literally a storyline in veep when um matt walsh's character is not good when you're living in real life not good he's so in debt he buys a new car he's like it doesn't matter what matters but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I'm still working through this and I don't quite understand it or believe it but I'm being told I got half my money in cash, half my money in stock, but this next tax

season, I gotta pay for all of it. And I was like They're keeping you humble. And then I'm starting to do the month and i was like uh what they're keeping you home and then i'm starting to do the math and i'm like well you know tax is like 30 40 percent and i only got 50 of it in cash so i'm only gonna be left you know what that with this junk but that chunk is more money than i ever imagined but i all of a sudden just shifted my mindset so you can tell i'm like wait a minute i'm only gonna have xyz left and i'm like, wait a minute, I'm only going to have XYZ left. And I'm like, but yeah. It will be okay.

I get it. So that makes sense why people, when this happens, they sell a chunk of stock immediately. It's to pay those taxes on what they got. That makes sense. I mean, Sleepy Joe is trying to take all the money from us anyway. You see that shit? I will say this. I see one tweet about Sleepy Joe raising taxes.

I'm like, bring back 44. Yo. say this i see one tweet about sleepy joe raising taxes i'm like bring back 44 yo everybody everybody who is hardcore liberal is broke yeah you know what i mean as soon as you get some money you're like wait a minute i see jack back like oh we sent some bad tweets i'm like you know what you have a point you know the old way is like everybody's born liberal and dies conservative or whatever it's like yeah as soon as you have some money and they're talking you know the old way is like everybody's born liberal and dies conservative or whatever it's like yeah as soon as

you have some money and they're talking about hitting you with like everyone's like tax the rich it's like tax the fucking mega rich

the people who just need a little bit of money and the higher up you go you go tax those guys you always and then you

become baseless you go tax the catholic church it's hard like there's nobody left dude it's just the pope going

alright I'll pay like it's hard to hold on to money and when I look at not to get like super real like single mothers and shit like that

I'm like how do you I make I mean we make good salaries here I do not understand it and I don't get how anybody has money we I mean I have me good salaries here. I do not understand it. And I don't get how anybody has money.

I mean, I have me and my kids, like, two very solid incomes. Now, granted, we live in a very expensive suburb. We have, like, the best care. Like, there's a million ways we could cut back. That being said, we're not living, like, lavish by any means. And I'm looking around at the other families that i'm like you know you don't work for a fucking media conglomerate you're a nurse you're this like how are you guys doing and they have like four kids five kids life is so expensive but i think because people just like i

don't know i have data yeah it's like well that's that's not my mind mine isn't because like i'll die which i will um sick this sooner rather than later um the uh. Sooner or later. The phrase we all grew up on is like, money doesn't grow on trees. Yes, it does. It literally does. They just decide to make more. It is. But no, I mean like my money grows on a tree.

And every two weeks that is ready for fucking, for raking down. Well, it's about how big is your tree. Some trees are bigger than others. Right. But everyone literally has a money tree. Right. So you can spend all of it. And what in two weeks it's time to harvest yeah yeah yeah no i mean that's true that was your goddamn job now your harvest also can fucking suck you know yeah yeah yeah i i uh what do you think about minimum wage nate should be higher higher you think that like mcdonald's workers should be

able to have a full life yeah no because i don't believe i know i do i i think i'm not ever no like crunchy white man on that one like i kind of think some of those jobs are designed for like high school kids like make disagree because not everybody is as fortunate as you and i that they get good education so okay my sister so no no no i'll tell you sorry my sister was a inner city baltimore school teacher and the story she told like makes you like sit back and be like whoa coming living in a house with multiple generations you know like 10 people living in an inner city Baltimore house coming to school smelling like smoke haven't eaten in multiple days yeah that's McDonald's would be a lifesaver for these kids right and if you can help your family and

grandparents and aunts and uncles like provide you need more than eight dollars an hour McDonald's is making trillions or whatever that is that's the point it was like like i i so maybe not the fast food is not the good example because those guys have i think everybody do think there are certain jobs that it's like every job you want to like have a whole life like not every job is a career is basically i disagree every job every job should be able to be a career interesting because some people just you know you're not not educated enough to work in an office. Dumb people don't get to. We overpay everybody.

It's insane. Yeah, I knew you. I mean, I know what is happening here. This episode is LeBron and Wade. That's so funny. When I got hired, the way This is year 10 Me and Willie C Both year 10

Year 10 right When Erica gave out Wait who's Willie C Will Compton Year 10 Neither of us worked year 10 I've never heard of Will C before I thought Will Cologne

To be honest You missed that Wait we said Neither of us are worth year 10 Oh I said Neither of us worked year 10 I work sometimes But

When I got hired This is 10 years ago It was $45,000 a year. And I didn't make what the current starting salary for content is until after the Caps won the Stanley Cup in 2018. And Dave was like, that's when I got a contract. So I got hired in 2013. I got my first contract in 2018. I don't think that is that crazy. I think a lot of people are going to be what they call at-will employees or whatever.

It's like year to year. Yeah. I didn't ever think I would be on a contract. They're like mini pro sports contracts. I got an extension for three years. I got an extension for four years. Get your Instagram carousel ready. Got to post about my anniversary.

Today is the 19-month anniversary of my time at Barstool Sports. That's the Mincy special. Every month he goes, like, today is my 19th month anniversary. And you feel, like, happy for him. So it's like, I guess we're posting the 19th month anniversary blog. Mincy's the best. Some people love their anniversaries. Some people love their anniversaries some people love their anniversaries

for sure um uh so yeah but so you got you know i think earning the contract is is you know a pretty exclusive thing i'm happy that there's i think about this a lot so the caps won the stanley cup june 2018 and i went to games one two three and four and i didn't go to game five because i was like when they win the cup i I'm a blogger mentality. They won in five games? In Vegas. And I would have been able to celebrate with the cup,

party with the cup, all that. PFT did the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would have been able to do that, but I was like, oh, Barstool, you have to blog, blah, blah, which I feel good about.

That's what our generation, you live for your team to do that. I almost want, I don't know but you know but i think i don't i don't i don't think i want to party with the team it's a like i like once in a lifetime type opportunities i know but to me it's like i it's like salt bay at the world cup it's like i don't think you know i would have been super awkward and shit, but I'd be able to say that you did.

I did it. And so, but I, but the, the alternative being that like, I came up on this blog and I want to write fucking 20 blocks about the parade or whatever. And I think it worked out. So it was like summer of Ovi, you know, swimming in the fountain, all that stuff. And I was on top of it and I got a raise and a contract out of it. But I always think back like, well well could have started with the cup yeah but i and i think i made the right decision just like um yeah like and and barstool like totally appreciates you for doing that right that was no no no shit that's the only time i've ever felt appreciated when they won the cup when

i guess you got your contract because dave pulled me into his office and he said good job here's a contract so then you know you can go party at the fucking – The next time. With those assholes. No, but it's like you can have bottles at the club with a bunch of assholes on the caps that you don't even know. And maybe you don't get a contract for the next however many years or you do your job. I did my job. And I mean, won't do that.

I don't – yeah. And then, yeah, maybe the next one. Even though it was five years ago, we're such a different company now. Now you'd be crazy to not take that opportunity. Of course. Who fucking cares? Of course, yeah, maybe the next one. Even that was five years ago. We're such a different company now. Now you'd be crazy to not take that opportunity. Of course. Who fucking cares? Of course, yeah. But at that point, I think the right move was to –

It was – I did that a lot. Which part? John had to do it 30 times. You didn't go to any Super Bowls for the first five. Oh, yeah. I mean, for the first one, I was fucking 12. But the – I think I only missed two as a Barcelona player. Like, didn't go to Seattle, which was in Arizona,

but the Seattle Super Bowl I didn't go to, and then... You were at all those Super Bowls? Where? After Seattle, I think I was. So that's what... Can we not count Super Bowls that he's seen, by the way? I went to three. You went to the game three times? I went to the game three times's two. I went to three. Three. You went to the game three times?

I went to the game three times. Wow. I went to – I don't think I realized that. We beat the Rams. I was there with my dad and my brother. I was with Hank for the other two. I was with Hank when we lost the Eagles.

I was with Hank when we beat 20-3. It's crazy that after the Seahawks, there's three. Yeah. The fact that there's two more after the Rams. I think of the Rams as like, oh, that was the last one, right? It one right it's like no so you you payers won six five six six so you know he's won six superbowls my life right now is arguing i'd rather have lamar jackson than sam howell that's my life brother i mean you know you're getting a lot of the choir sorry to say what i was gonna say was when i was and we you know we did it with the bruins we did it with uh i didn't do much celtic stuff did it with the socks in like 2013 2018 those blogging days are incredibly fun

yeah because because they're so easy it's just like you sit there and put it up yeah yeah those were like and it's like that was what we did yeah and now you have the best material of all time and it would it would start like it would start the Sox, it would start in the divisional round because, fucking, they use champagne everywhere in the MLB. But it was, like, those were, like, you're missing out on the party itself. I remember the Sox won, I forget if it was the World Series or just the AL, but, like, Napoli was hitting us out, like, come out, come out. And I don't think I ended up going out until, like, 4 a.m.

It was the night, because I, Napoli was texting come out while he was, remember he was like shirtless like Roman Streets of Boston. He's texting come out while he's shirtless. I was like, I can't. You go into a bar and shut up and I'll come out. If you put a shirt on, there won't be a story to blog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great point.

Love those old days. But like, you know, it is kind of weird. What do you think, like, if the Cavs don't win a title, like, what happens? You know what I mean? My life? Yeah. But, like, just in general, having a job that is so tied to outside forces, you know, it's like. I mean, I think I'd still be here.

Totally. But, like, I'm not just speaking about you. It's like, I mean, we know for a fact Barstool wouldn't be barcelona if it wasn't for the boston sports right yeah and if um uh i'm trying to think of non-sports examples they escape me but there's definitely been times where like oh this is my thing and now it's in the news and so now like everyone's gonna be reading my shit and following me for this reason you know and like but if those things don't happen you're just like i don't know i don't know i just know. I just hope. You just got to hope it does, right? Yeah, and this is going to be self-deprecating, but I don't have the outside.

I don't have a KFC radio. I don't have something else to lean on. It was that. It was like, that was it. You got to just pray that your city has a big story or your teams do whatever. Or you can eat food and tell people how good or bad it is. Have you ever considered that? People forget I was the first food reviewer.

Oh, were you? What did you do? Old Bay Fries or some shit? No, no. The Taco Bell breakfast menu back in 2013. And I think, I guess they did the pizza burrito thing right before I did that, but it was before people were reviewing food. I left that one on the table.

Ah, you could have had it. Wait, so they did the big one right before? I was going to say, the pizza burrito thing was the thing. Yeah. But I was reviewing. To be fair, I don't know if pizza reviews came... Pizza reviews came with New York.

No. No. No, but it became a thing because he was like, I'm going to go to every pizza shop in New York. And that's when it became an app. But once he, yeah. Was One Bite Urban Overs the World a thing in Boston? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know if it was a daily thing. I don't know if it was as often as it is now. Right. But it definitely started with that. 100%. Right. But maybe he saw Nate eating Taco Bell. Yeah. I don't know if it was a daily thing. I don't know if it was as often as it is now. Right. But it definitely started with that, 100%. Right. But maybe he saw Nate eating Taco Bell. Yeah. And was like, ding.

I see that a lot. I'll do something, and then like three months later, like I'll be called an idiot, and then three months later, people are like, oh, I guess he was right all the time. Like what? Just any opinion I ever have on Twitter. Give me an example, though. Oh, God. I wish I came with examples.

It's just so do I. You're the one who brought it up. I'm just usually right, though. Oh, God. I wish I came with examples. It's just so do I. You're the one who brought it up. I'm just usually right about everything. I'm just usually very correct. Okay. Thanks to Rollback for sponsoring the show. Rollback Activewear is, I mean, you can't watch a Barstool Sports video without seeing that little doggy in that left-hand corner of someone's shoulder.

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passionate about the thing they like right where it is like politics or sports meaning like he made pizza into sports because everyone's like no this is the best pizza place and even going back to the cover of the newspapers like everyone thought the hottest girl in their school was the hottest girl in the world local smoke shows was the thing

you gotta see Jessica and everything garners such a fan base. So you instantly have an audience built in. It really is. Like, the rest of the world caught up to sports, honestly, when it comes to, like, politics and social issues and all that shit. Like, sports fans were crazy morons from Jump Street. It was probably back in the day, like, this gladiator versus that gladiator like i'm you know but like we were you know being like moronic

blind crazy fanatics of this thing and then it was just like oh i'm gonna do that for my presidential candidate or i'll do it for my pizza place or i'll do it for the girl in my school it was creepy when we did it for the girls but whatever I I still defend I do too I was honestly talking about this last night I was out with some people and we were talking about they were they read the paper back in the day and and I'm really kind of having this exact conversation and I was like I will defend smoke shows guess that's probably not uh but I will defend smoke shows till the day I die because if we were Just taking pictures

That's one thing Girls Wanted modeling careers And things like that The only thing I'll say Is And this always This always fucked with me

And it definitely does As I got older When everyone was just like What if it was your daughter Or your sister And I was always like I would never want that to happen Well I mean

If it was my daughter Or my sister If they were Adult women Of age I know but I wouldn't like it I would never want that to happen. Well, I mean, if it was my daughter or my sister, if they were adult women of age. I know, but I wouldn't like it. I would be like. Like, if Shay was 18 and was like, I'm an adult making this decision. I'm like, no, you're not. You're a fucking moron.

And we're not doing this. Yeah, yeah. But they were probably. Totally. Obviously, there were some 18, 5 mixed in. But I think they were usually. I wish at the time I realized how weird it was. So I get hired. I'm 20... Well, we were

young, too. I was 24. Right now, it's crazy. I was 25 talking to a 22-year-old being like, hey, I read this blog on your site. I was 24. Want to come to our party? Want to be on the website? And Dave hires me and he goes... He told me two things. He goes,

you have to do an MFK every day. And this is old, old, old, old, old back end. It took like over an hour. Any uploading pictures was not worth it. I never wrote blogs because when I was a reader of Barstool, I never read it. I never opened Smokeshow or blogs. I never opened Wake Ups. I was there for fun.

So I never cared. Don't go to barbershop now. I'm interested. I wish that was like two hours into the interview. We could have just ended it on that. Fuck, that was great. Can we talk about the difference between then and now? I could do that for three days.

Yeah, that's why we have you here. But like commenters, where's the picture? It's a story about some famous woman. Where's all the pictures? I don't fucking care. I'm not greedy. I was funny. I made a lot of funny fucking jokes. Read that shit. You want to go look at fucking women? Go look at porn. Before I worked here,

I just kept that mindset. I'm here for funny. There was also, like, when you were a new blogger, you leaned on those, you know, like, smut. Yeah. And it was fine. It's like, I'll write the funny shit while you post Megan Fox. You gave me the best advice.

Like, first week, I said, because, you know, we had to do, as Dave would call it, 15 to 20 a day. It was like 10 a day, 10 to 15 a day, whatever. Eight a day whatever eight a day it was like every number gets higher every you guys did 30 we did 40 yeah it's every 30 minutes but there were two of us yeah but so like i tried to do every hour 45 minutes to an hour uh but you i was like what do you do if you just can't find sign the blog you said write about football or find a girl and just post pictures of a girl i used to make it a point i wrote a jets blog every you told me that and i did i would you know read an article that's just like rex ryan is trying to like reorganize the the defensive backs and i was just like

here you go that was now i would like never in a million years want to talk about that or write about that but i always you know and i and to be fair i'm not known as like a jets blogger anymore like people don't come to me for that topic but back then it was like yeah i made sure that i was not even like it wasn't even like uh this article is that interesting it was like i want people to know i'm an authentic you know like i know what i'm talking about i'm well read on it i can give my opinions and then when the day comes when they're good and lucky for me 2009 and 10 was like pretty good run i was like here we go you know um but yeah like football always plays you know i don't know about now like if you can just write a football sports article people probably don't care but chicks and football always played the the uh big and the real

like crutch and this is one of the tips uh hotline email whatever was humming like you there would always be some picture from the guy on a t on a t and you just go caption contest and then you just post like we haven't done that in forever dude captain contests are great the best and commas would roll in it would might be one of the most clicked things yeah the top fucking we didn't check metrics back then but the i mean the i don't even know the ability to check metrics back then but like i remember having uh google google i know you're talking about i can picture it. It's not AdSense. AdSense is coming to my mind. It's just Google Analytics? Google Analytics, yeah.

I remember also doing that with For Sure or Not, checking like today we had 400 readers, and I was like, I want to get to 500. But at the same time, never caring. There was a period of time at Barstool where we said, let's make list blogs. Let's do MFK. Let's do smoke smash.

Like we got that fucking, you got to get our clicks up the Buzzfeed quiz. Yeah. Buzzfeed quizzes. Which part are you? We were like, we got to make money and we got to get clicks. We got, I got roasted for that because it was like,

what's your favorite shoe brand? And I'm like, you Vans DC. Yes. Wait, you were what? I said, yeah. And that's when i realized like osiris like like like we're all a bunch of like fucking virgin losers and you guys are bloggers we're nerds and but like i was like why are they roasting me i was like just

because i'm wearing no that that was a tough like up until Barstool, me and my friends were like – me and my friends are nice to each other for the most part. We bust each other's balls. But it was not like a tough guy routine. Nobody was like looking to be like the alpha, whatever. So I like never cared. I never thought about what people's hair looked like. That's like at Barstool. It's like are you balding?

Are you not? Do you have thick hair? Are you not? Are youding? Are you not? Do you have thick hair? Are you not? Are you fat? Are you not? What do your clothes look like? And so when I realized that, I was like, oh, this kind of sucks. Now I'm very insecure.

And it ruined my life. I took the words out of my mouth. I was just like, I can't do anything. I was like, I never – nobody in my real life cared if I could run sprints. Now all of a sudden because I can't run sprints. People are like, I'm not going to read your blog anymore. What the fuck is going on here?

Dave was trying to cultivate a certain media company, which made sense. And I got an email from him. This is very, very, very early, probably first two months. And he sent me a link to one of my blogs and it said something like,

this blog is not bro enough. And I was like, I was like, do you know who i am that's actually surprising yeah he it just it wasn't the until so it was you guys dan right well we were the same person well i actually disagree i was thinking about this recently how we're obviously are all very comparable and and it's it's differentiations on a minimal level but how we are all very different in the sense that like music.

None of us like the same music. That is true. Which is very weird. And when you're all just white dudes liking different music, it's like you're the rap guy. I was like the pop punk pop. Dave's like fucking Jimmy Buffett, Dan's rock. We did – on a granular level, we actually were all very different.

I always thought it was funny. It was like I'm the New York Irish guy and the Boston Jew should be reversed. It should be the New York Jew and the Boston Irish guy. And you were the fashion guy. And K-Marco was – I don't even know. The music guy is weirdo. And Dan is like the die know the the diehard midwest guy and uh it was just like but on the on the whole uh you know when you look at it from above it's like we're all just someone outside our bubble

would be like they're all the same yeah so inside but until chaps came i would say he i think chaps broke the mold on what barstool was and then became i i i wouldn't i wouldn't disagree with i look at so it was everything was city-based, right? Like you could not get hired if you lived in the same city as someone else, no matter how good you were. And so it went me in DC and then it went Trent, Iowa. And he literally was-

Still one of my favorite things that it was like New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Iowa. And the font on the home page was a different color for each and his was like a yellow that blended into the white and you couldn't even read anything it was awesome so so it went me trent i think uh caleb was maybe right before right after chaps but so chaps was not a city he was uncle chaps and he started calling everybody handsome on twitter he started talking and like just so different than the the way we blogged it

was pretty uniform pretty just yeah every you know change the team name change this or that it was talk about a girl how hot she is you talk about sports team how much you root for them he was talking about completely different shit and just the and i was from there on you didn't have to need a city you didn't have to root for sports it was are you funny are you good on camera you're hired and i think he completely broke the mold and changed the way like just the company in general because there was a huge i also think that the world was moving that way with social media where it was like the only way you found people was almost through a website. You know what I mean?

You came to a URL and then it was like you read the person's name and it's like where can I get more of them on this site? I didn't have a Twitter when I was hired. I also did not. I take that back. I did. I had one for like a year. I probably had like $50. I started my Twitter. I remember

setting up my Twitter at my first New York apartment when I was like 21. I had – And that was I would guess 2010, something like that. I had a for sure not Twitter. And then we started a Barstool Boston and a Barstool New York. And Barstool Boston was just an automated – when a a blog went on it would tweet and then so that would just and I just ran

Barstool New York and Barstool Boston was automated because Dave was just still Presidente and then when it was like clear we were putting

all our eggs in the Twitter basket I just took Barstool Boston because it had a fuck ton of followers because it was just Barstool

it was all Barstool fans like I'm a fan of Barstool Boston so it had I don't know let's say like 20 000 followers at that point and i just changed the name to at kfc barstool and started tweeting and people were like and i would be like fuck tom brady and they were like how the fuck i never even followed this guy how the fuck is this happening and i was like i just like fucking trojan horse you know we have all these like dead shows that we just have instagrams with like,

like, um, uh, going deep with Willie Cologne is just sitting there with 150 K. I was like, guys, can I get that? Yeah.

He's like, no, we'll use it for something. I was like, yeah, me. I, I,

I'm not, I only go down to followers across every platform. Well, I mean, it's also, it's a different time. Like, I mean,

in the very, very beginning, I think I set up Barstool, New York and I bought 5,000 followers right away. Nice. For like 50 bucks. Really?

And it was just like, because back then it didn't even fucking matter. It was like, I just got to get on. I remember that was a thing, like, even internally,

it was like, that motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you go to like, like, like,

like Twitter. Are you, yeah, whatever it was. Yeah. Once, once, once that like,

became a thing, I never bought them. But right off the bat, I was just like, yeah, we got to start this. But also, I liked that better because it was just like, all right, we're starting a business here. And we need to have social media. And people will follow it if they see there's no followers. Yeah, let's just make this happen. And now it's like we have these unspoken rules and codes. Who fucking cares cares But I remember You spent $50 on marketing

Losers This isn't real Yeah It was a big thing in New York Because of incarcerated Bob Because he had like 90% fake followers He has me blocked

Yeah I mean He's still out there I don't know who he is He has me blocked He's still out there He has me blocked He has a million like other

But he had like 90 fake and i remember he fucking bought me fake followers yes yes that was the most diabolical thing ever but i also was kind of like okay i had an excuse to like yeah yeah i was like let's talk about it for two weeks i'll be like incarcerated bob did it yeah forget about it i guess i do remember though it was a it was a It was a Like a I don't want to say checkmate Because he didn't like win the battle

But it was It was a move Because I Like I'm like looking at my page And it was going fast Like it just happens Like you're refreshing

100 more 100 more 200 more And I was like Wait what the fuck is going on here And then I like put two and two together And I was like Oh shit

Because it's going to look You know what I mean Like he did it too He did it like the next day so it was obvious what he should have done was like played it a little bit and then just like in two weeks been like look at this guy he's got fake followers too but it was so it was like the next day after i called him out so it was like he's clearly doing this to me but it was a move i'm like yo this is some grimy shit i i was thinking about this i've been thinking about it a lot but like it took i'm 34 now turning 35 it took me way too long to just stop caring yeah about pretty much everything like good advice for all of life like i got so like nadu like took a shot

at me on the rundown yesterday and i got a couple texts like what are you gonna i was like what is that he just called me like a rat fuck and i was just goes, better me on the rundown than that rat fuck. And I was like, one, that could be a joke. I don't know if he's busting balls or what. I was like, wait, why would I? You mean you don't want to do a spoken word rap battle with him on the rundown? Can we talk about that? We've never talked about that.

Let me give a take real quick. It's not that bad. We had bars. We had bars, but the delivery is just awful. I mean, we're not rap battlers. But if you read the bars, it's like... Well, that's why I didn't want to do it that way.

That's why I make songs. I don't do performances. I make songs. I make hits. I was like, what songs? Oh, the one with Dave? Yeah. I was like, I want to make... I had a beat picked out and all that, and then you were like, I'm ready to do it right now. I was like, I want to make, I had a beat picked out and all that. And then you were like, I'm ready to do it right now. I was like, fuck.

Because we're going to look stupid. But it's an all-time moment. It was probably the lowest moments of both of our lives. For sure. So back to what I was saying, it's going to be too long not to care about stuff. I just got like, God, this fucking job. Like, I thought I, you know when we talk about like a character becomes real life yeah i i don't know how it originated but like i became like the spider monkey or the dog

and then i thought i had to do that for dave i thought i had to be his little monkey dance for me puppet and so i did and i thought it was like i'm playing a character but then it like i have to keep up this forever and it got me into a ton of like just not trouble but like i was just i was just a fucking piece of shit to a lot of people to everybody like and it well here's the thing and i would go home and be like another good day but it was like wait i'm not not only personally affecting these people that I like and work with. And I'd be like, no, we're still friends, right? It's like, no, you're like a fucking asshole, dude.

And then I was, I mean, not to be that guy. I was the original depressed guy at Barstool, too. Before it was cool to also mention your depression. Before you could get a job for life for being sad i was just sad and so like it's just like i swear to god nate is the funniest guy in the company and so and so i was i'm like really like my first of all my parents not diagnosing me when i was like 12 and then being like rub some dirt on it it, kid. They missed the boat on that one. I think about this.

I was like, how did they look at me as adults? Like getting like, I'm their third kid and not being like, this kid needs therapy. He's different than the other two. Why is he just laying face down on the floor for 12 hours a day?

No, I don't want to go to soccer practice. It just never dawned on me. Why is he just sitting on the floor in the shower humming pop punk? Welcome to my life. I have a vivid memory of doing exactly what you just said. That is so bizarre. When you're hurt, when you're down. Feel like you've been pushed around.

When you're on the edge of breaking down and no one understands it. He has no idea how accurate he is. No, I'm just saying my life right now. Betterhelp.com. He nailed it the other day. He said, he's like, you either grew up in this world, you're either a rap person or an emo, like, pop punk person. And it's so true. Because, like, there was never a day where I was ever, like,

singing angsty lyrics being like, yeah. Or I was like, fuck these hoes. Blast shots in the air so i'm like nobody fuck with me like i'm depressed like all through middle school all through high school parents do nothing about it i don't i do nothing about it i got in college i got a job at the ups fedex store on campus like to make a little money and that was also the first day that i and that i took an antidepressant and it's like you. And you have to try different dosages and this and that. And it just prescribed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You made it sound like I got to work. No, no, no, no. UPS gave me a... Open someone's package. Lexapro. UPS had a great year. They were just handing it out.

So I was like, I'm not doing this fucking job. And so I got fired my first day at the UPS FedEx store. One day? Yeah, because I didn't work. Because I was on antidepressants and it turned me into a zombie. I don't know where I was going. So I the UPS FedEx store. One day? Yeah, because I didn't work. Because I was on antidepressants, and it turned me into a zombie. I don't know where I was going. So I've been depressed my whole life. And then so I get this job, and it actually helps things, obviously.

But then working at Barstool, the most stressful, like those early days, working around the clock. Me and Trent just used to text on weekends about like, I'm scared to leave the house like i'm scared of being fired dave did a really good job of instilling fear um the most fear but like also i think he got lucky and found like a crew of guys who like worked hard and all wanted to like row in the same direction for the most part i will say that's why i'm shocked that rundown clip that you guys talked about where d Dave's like every media company wants to be us and he and you and Dan kind of laughed at him because I know you believed in it.

But I know nobody thought it would get to this part. But none of you thought like maybe there's a chance. I never did. I did. I did not again. Obviously never here. It was very different for me in New York. New York was it's like you're you're you're nobody in New York.

Yeah. It's like this is cool. I mean boston yeah probably that's true like the moment i was an intern in boston's like i was like but i it was one of those things like i remember my dad telling a story of like buying apple stock because when his buddy like went to go get a charger for his son's fucking iphone or. I forget what it was. But whatever. And everything was sold out. He's like, I'm going to buy it. I haven't even heard of this, but I'm going to buy some stock. And so my dad's

financial advice, who's not a financial advisor, was always like, just buy what your kids like. Because that's what, right? Sure. And not the most savvy financial advice. No, but there's logic to it. Yeah. And I remember even him being like, you're obsessed with this. Everyone's obsessed with this. It's got to work. It's got to be something.

I just didn't think it could become. Right, right. This is a different level. To finish the depressed story, I get the job, and Dave, I just think I have to play this character as the dog or the spider monkey,

and then that became who I was, more or less, and I burned bridges with a ton of people, including you, obviously. So wait, where are we at? Is it over? It's all over? Me neither. I think it's now a few of me and Nate.

You took a ricochet shot at Kevin. You're good. I'll carry the torch. No, talk. Kareem's over. You're getting bodied now, Nate. I don't think you read the internet today, but Kevin is back. He's blogging again. That was cute when I actually was blogging, and he is back. I'm blogging. So he's blogging again.

That was cute when I actually was blogging, and he wanted to put up a Lena Dunham blog, and he was like, oh, I'll give it to you. No way. Fuck that. They're my page views, because that's all you have in life. So I'm going to start blogging again, and you are skyrocketing. I gave you the Lena Dunham blog. You are skyrocketing.

We'll see if that continues. I couldn't be happier about this entire turn of events. The moral high ground in this office. Go ahead. Oh. Continues. I couldn't be happier about this entire turn of events. The moral high ground in this office. Go ahead. Come on, man. Moral high ground, for sure not. Professionally speaking, you are absolutely nobody.

Your whole shtick of where you white knight for us and defend us, nobody fucking wants you to do it. You are insufferable. Nobody personally likes you. You're a spider monkey. That's what we call you. Because all you do is spider monkey around. That's it. All you have are your page views, which aren't even that good to begin with,

dude. So keep making enemies. You made one of me now. It's fine. See if the skyrocketing continues. Which, by the way, I thought in that moment you were going to be like, this guy's gone.

I thought you were just going to use your pool and fire me. I never had that. I don't know if you remember. I never could have that. Also, that's another thing. You've always had more pool than you've given yourself credit for.

Are you saying pool? I can't say the word. I can't say it. That's another thing with you. The whole fairy, fairy, fairy. I say it all the same. I know't say it. That's another thing with you. The whole fairy, fairy, fairy. I say it all the same. That was like an early version. You say pull pool? I've never heard that before. So I also grew up with a speech impediment. Thanks for bringing that up. I know. I've talked to you before. Grew up with, aka are living with, currently have. You grew

up with depression and a speech impediment they would pull me out of pe class or whatever you're i never had pull like that and so they would take me out of class to go to the speech person in school and they'd be like where were you i'd be like i had to go lay down in the nurse's office because i was so embarrassed of my speech impediment i don't care anymore but um anyway so i burn all those bridges i thought you were gonna get me fired i sent a text to john me and john had no relationship i was like please don't hate me and john's like i don't care and so what are you talking about and so kind of stayed like a piece of shit for a while uh and then it's just like a few things happened

to make me turn like i i had a relationship that I totally torpedoed because I was always on my phone. I was scared of being fired. I was terribly depressed. I was a piece of shit, spider monkey, asshole. All of it combined at once. Not mental breakdown, but more or less. I was like, I need to figure this out. Three people helped me turn a page and become a much better person. One is my brother who always, he's like just fun as hell guy.

More friends than anybody I've ever met. Like at his wedding, he had friends from like preschool, elementary school, middle school, high school, college. People we, who makes friends after college? This guy does. So like more friends than anybody I've ever met. And just always ride or die guy, down to do anything. So fun. And he was always like, what the fuck's your problem?

Like, why are you just so angry all the time? Like, what is your deal? And I was like, I don't know. His mom and dad didn't take me to a therapist. No, no shit. Like, yeah, because mom and dad were too busy at your fucking award ceremonies. Pay attention to me. It's you.

He did get like a four row and all that shit. Super smart guy. And, you i just i could just go to school and just get like b's and c's like who cares like i i knew i knew from very very early age school didn't matter and and like that teacher is just like all of it was there's this teacher mr matters and i i he was the worst human being i've ever met he fucked with chill like we were 10th grade he just fucked with children all the time and made us hate life. He was the worst human being.

I have no idea how he was allowed to educate. Did he molest you? No. 10th grade is too old to get molested. He was just a really mean teacher. Just a really mean guy. How old was 10th grade? Did I say that? Was that sophomore? You fucked. Must be nice.

That grade's like 15 or something. You're just fucking. So one's my brother. Two is Mark Roberge. And he is, I hate when people say, oh, nicest guy I've ever met. Because you're wrong. Mark Roberge is the nicest person you will ever meet. He has sold out MSG multiple times.

And he is the most genuinely kind. And would still like right now cancel his plans to go to dinner with us or some shit. Puts us in music videos, comes on stage. I was at Team Impact, the charity I worked with last night. He loves saying I do one charity thing a year and talks about it the rest of the fucking year.

You do not have to dog anymore. I don't jump down people's throats He emailed Because he works with them too now Oh he does And he emailed in the middle of the event And there were like 8 people there who were on the email And everyone was like

Oh my god Mark just emailed us Everyone just started going crazy I can't believe we're at this thing right now Where Mark Robles just emailed us He's always like thank you guys for coming to a concert. I'm like, thanks for having us. What are you talking about, thanks for coming?

When I saw in person the way he, stuff like that, how graceful he was and how thankful he was. When he came in and played music and let you spider monkey around him and touch him. We had never met before. He was just cool with that i was like this guy is almost too cool we had never met before that night and he was just down to do it and uh he just i never thought we

would like see him again yeah it was just like and then he's just like the absolute nicest human and i saw the way he treated people and i was like i need to do that i need people to say i enjoyed meeting eric like that is he was a pleasure to be around and then third is john feidelberg whoa i was i mean i think i've told you this drunkenly maybe not i don't know you were probably more drunk than i was so i wouldn't remember i was i was lost in new york home alone i was just completely lost i i didn't like that i i didn't i didn't i was lost in New York, home alone. I was just completely lost. I didn't... I was lost in New York, home alone. I think Drake said that in 06.

There's some Macaulay Culkin Drake joke to go there, but I don't know. If we were better rappers, we would have had it. How does Jerome do it on Spotify? So sick. I didn't really have friends. I was like, I didn't know. This job was just like, I don't know, one of my just type dumbass jokes all day on the computer.

I had no idea what I was doing. This was maybe pre-making minimum wage like at Barstool. New York was tough for people. It's like, you're not in your home anymore. You're not with your family, not with fucking i mean and i'll go live in another city i've apologized to people for like hq2 shit where it was like so cutthroat and i thought the i looked at it kind of like i think we all did but like eat or be eaten like step on people's throats to elevate yourself it's good that you apologize but like i don't think it's necessarily you even have to because it was like first of all it's work but you should

still treat people with like oh yes but i think you walk in those doors and it's like stepping between the lines of sports i only looked at it like wrestling i and that's why when i would go home i'd be like yeah no we're still cool but no like you just you were also the people who have like too much of a problem but i also wanted to play both sides also. Yeah. And I love to do that. Yeah, yeah. It's all a joke.

It's a joke. What the fuck did you say about me? Yeah, yeah. I mean, anybody who's ever had a relationship at Barstool has played the it's a character. Yeah. And then I would go and do an interview and be like, no, no, no, I'm not a character. I'm an exact same self. But I'm actually my best self.

This is cool. this is saying exactly what i want to be yeah but no so but like i just started hanging out with john going to bars like it's a great hang and it's just like great hang it's just like he's an all-time great yeah and it's just like was i can't look at you it's so gay it was just like it was just don't look at me either it's just super gay i don't know he just kind of like i i didn't really like you know i would hang out with like you know Riggs here or like someone else there but like he's the best it was just like why do you think I hitched my wagon to him he's the best

I've known this since day one it was almost like oh he's down to like just drink or sit at a bar quietly and stare at a TV and it's like that's exactly what I needed that's what I was looking for yeah man I mean he's that's why he's the best I'm not gonna say saved me but like it definitely helped like ground me plus ever that's that's what i was looking for yeah man i mean he's that's that's the best and i'm

not gonna say saved me but like it definitely helped like ground me plus god it's so gay like you like you and mark are similar and you treat people nicely like you're just down to suck his dick or what jesus christ yeah no are we done yeah i'll be done there but no like so the three of them combined well here's what i realized i remember when the when the combine happened i was like i original combine yeah yeah like that really did a number on you i was laughing about it at first but then like i thought it was i did and this is sorry no you go no no i was gonna say uh probably until like two years ago i didn't even know there was anything about i didn't yeah you uh maybe maybe longer than two years ago I didn't even know there was anything about maybe longer than two years ago

whenever you first mentioned it I had no idea there was ever any backlash I never knew it affected you that's part of the internet too you think your experience on the internet is so bad I never saw that I never looked at your replies

you have your own timeline you have your own mentions you have your own timeline. You have your own mentions. You have your own inbox, whatever. And if you don't look at others, you're like, yeah, I didn't even know that. I had literally no idea. But that's also a good lesson to not freak out about your shit because it's like nobody else fucking knows. But at that point, so when it first came out, I was kind of like – I almost was like – I thought it was a good thing because i was like i think the combine that video kind of would have sucked if it wasn't for me like those two guys just doing

like okay and it was like funny like but i was the butt of the joke but i was like whatever but then i got like a flood of people being like this guy talks about sports and like all that shit and i remember calling dave and being like yo man i don yo, man, this is bordering on like laughing at, not laughing with. Like I don't know. And he was like – he goes like, I will never put you in a position that I think is like bad for your – for you. Like I'll always like take – Anybody can be a star. Or an angel of a star.

And at that point, I was like, okay, cool. Like I trust you. You know this internet well. Like I was like, okay, cool. Like, I trust you. You know this internet well. Like, I'll ride it out, you know, whatever. And then – and it was not like the Combine ruined my career, obviously, by any means. But also, it went south enough that I was like – and he was just laughing the whole time. And I was just like, oh, no. It's every dog for himself.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's kind of why I stopped. So I'll blame anybody who's a little bit like – Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's kind of why I stopped. So I'll blame anybody who's, like, a little bit, like, you know, backed into a corner. I'm going to say our era, just, like, not new Barstool, but, like, we, anything I tried, because I wanted to try everything. I wanted to do podcasts, video, whatever.

Anything I did, it was Dave making fun of me and laughing and saying I sucked, and then his swarm just saying how bad I was. And it crushed me to the point I stopped trying. It was like, I'm not going to subject, because I'm already mentally weak as it is, and miss me with, don't let it affect you. When you have 10,000 people telling you you suck,

you begin to tell yourself that you suck. And also, it's like one attaboy can erase like so many of that and when you never but you never get any of them it just they all pile up someone like mincy who just like he just takes it like in the movie 300 like arrows flying he just takes it yeah he doesn't know he probably yeah he probably thinks it's real arrows but he i think he does such a good job of just he can he continues to do it and he takes it and he goes i know they're laughing at me but like this is an awesome job that i love so much well that's the other thing too is like you gotta have a little bit of perspective on like well all right this part sucks but the alternative is what you know yeah

at 24 25 years old i was very immature and i was very mentally weak and i could not handle it like whatsoever bro like nobody at like 24 25 like nobody can i think i think robbie fox can he's so good i mean but i mean bob has openly talked yeah yeah yeah yeah like it nobody can do it with ease i didn didn't mean to dismiss that. There is no experience like it. No. There is not. The only people who can relate to this experience are other Barstool people. And I know a lot of people are always like, oh, Barstool sucks, Barstool's dick, or Barstool loves talking about Barstool.

But it's like there's nobody else. I remember talking to Craig Carton. I remember talking to Mark Roberberts people in other industries and like oh this is when i struggled in my industry or this is when i had a hard time in what i do and it's all you can take bits and pieces but like the internet's its own animal how many people have come through barstool and been like oh i have like a lot of followers i can handle it and it's like okay babe we'll see about that oh i you know i've done this kind of stuff before i can handle it and you know what almost what almost broke me was or i guess it did break me uh the me and smitty stuff where i mean one i was on the wrong side i was wrong what was the what was the what was your

character's name donovan mcnate no no no the like the the um the housekeeper in Vegas or whatever. You had the – Gladys? The robe? Yeah, there was a name. Oh, Glenda. Glenda. Glenda. Glenda. You were Glenda. But the me and Smitty stuff, I don't know.

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You get 50% off your first box. That's basically free. Try it. I guarantee you'll like it. And, uh, cause I thought it was my job. Like, and then, uh, I mean, he was like what the fuck fuck this kid and i dealt with that backlash for probably like two years to the point where there if the question is have you almost quit barstool ever one time it got so bad for me where i told him people people saying like why

are you going at no no like just like because he had no reason to take that shit for me and like he has he has a good amount of philly fans and they were like for you know it was about a year or so in and smitty was still just like at my throat yeah and when you're i always we always say like when you see barstool drama it's like who can dude nobody cares like you know it's not a big deal it's funny everybody's laughing when you're in it it feels like the world is caving in around you and i was at my wits end and i told him i was like i you've won like i'm gonna quit like i cannot take this anymore you guys had like a uh and he was like they talked or whatever he was like all right i'll i'll i'll run in the dogs and uh and we're great now he's like he's like one of them yeah what's weird is like. He's like one of... What's weird is Smitty's one of my best friends now. He went through it too.

We see the world very similarly. And he's like a family man with kids now. And so he's obviously settled down. And we just get along great. I mean, yeah. If you stuck around long enough, you either... I think you either... you're like Dan or Dave and you made it or you like – you kind of come to like terms with it.

You're like at peace with it. You know what I mean? It's just like that was a wild ride. Dude, it was – Looking back on it. It's like being in like a band almost where it's just like – I was going to say like a child star where like you're going to go crazy. Right.

And hopefully you go on the other side and like, oh, he's a good dude. Right. He's been through some shit. Seriously seriously yeah and i i think like i mean when dave did the draft in chicago he drafted me versus smitty one one for like best feud or whatever yeah i mean it was just like that was the thing like you also have to realize you guys had fake personalities to kill each other on the website you guys were that's Donovan. That's what I quit. I still don't know what's real and what's not. I don't know who Clickbait Smitty is.

No, it's him. What do you mean you don't know who it is? I was pretty sure, but he never broke Clickbait fame. No, he tweeted from the wrong account a couple times, which is pretty funny. I actually don't even follow Clickbait Smitty. No, me either. Then I'll tell you what. His blogging as Clickbait Smiths was always better than...

Well, I'm like that moron. Dude, I said that. I was like, oh, I guess I got you to work. Dude, we're going to just drum it all out. No, no, we've had that conversation before. It's funny, but that is like HQ2P, Barstool, crazy feuds. And that was real. Like, talk about Barstool scripted.

That was as real as it gets. It was real, but it was also, when you think about Dave, Dave said just recently, I think when we interviewed him, he was like, my role in the office, like, I think we were talking about can the office survive without him, can Barstool survive without him, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, yes, it can survive without me, but it won't be the same,ada yada yada and then he said something to the effect of

my role at the office was to make everybody scared yeah yeah and while he that is his personality and he was just doing that naturally i think he very much was like i'm trying to build a fucking massive media conglomerate and it is very good for business if there are these two wacky dudes who have these very unique personalities who are going to have a real feud, and I'm going to stoke that fire. Part of it is genuine. I think he was like, yeah, let's do it.

And part of it, even, who knows if it's where the lines get blurred, but he was always like, think about the... He was like, the best thing for you guys is this this feud you're gonna get the most clicks and all that shit and like yeah it's a it's a it's a first overall vote for a reason i mean we we always say like we're not we're a reality show when it comes

down to it and we're it's we needed that era to get where we are now because you can't just hire people with zero personalities and become what we are it's just impossible and even and even if it's all like kumbaya like i want this next generation to be all everyone's happy and not scared and shit but it probably won't be as popular or successful because drama and fighting and there's no reality shows where everyone's happy nobody fucking there's no going back to like nadu on the rundown there's no point of replying like i don't gain anything. There's no benefit to do. There was a ton of benefit to doing that before when Dave was in the mix. Getting followers, getting spotlight, getting these mentions.

And you were the star of the reality show. And you were main eventing WrestleMania when your feud led the rundown. You might be a heel, you might be a face, but you are getting the big matches. The real life implications, terrible. Terrible. Especially going back, nobody knew it was real or fake internally when you're in the feud you don't even know if it's real but it is real like the feelings are real but like it's such a mind fuck in the gray areas and stuff but the me and smitty stuff was as real as it gets well i was doing that shit with dave yeah i was always like man like

he said some mean shit on the run down like maybe we're not friends and then it was like oh we're not friends but then you know and it's like okay this is you know it is what it is like are you you guys are cooler now like it's like i'm probably you cross this with because you cross the finish line yeah yeah i mean there's definitely a part of that. I mean, we'll get there. There was a huge – I definitely, like, still to this day feel a chip on my shoulder about, like, I was not involved in the Penn deal. Like, I wasn't with Chernin. And then not only was I not involved, like, I, you know, I got – I didn't even know I had gotten cut out of it. I didn't even know it was happening, you know.

So, like, waiting – and I knew they got paid right away. And I was like, well, there's so everybody was happy at barstool. They got their money. Everyone else, like all the other employees are happy because it's like big buyout. And like, we're going to, you know, go places or whatever.

But I was like the only person who was kind of like, I mean, I know this is ultimately a good thing, but right now it's like, what the fuck? Yeah. So those like that five year period of like, well,

I'm not rich and they are, and I got cut out of this and blah blah but then when you you know i finally got there i'm like okay whatever just let let it die all that all that work was for something yeah yeah yeah for sure i mean the yeah i guess i guess it was worth it no that's where we're at in life. Employee nine, not so much. Erica gave out those t-shirts with the numbers. I was like, employee nine, that's crazy. Single digits. Huge sale, 600 million. I was like, all right, back to work.

The guy who painted the front door of Facebook retired? Yeah. You should have just painted a mural on the wall of Arsenal. You should have hopped on the NFTs with the spider monkey picture. I have a tweet. It's the saddest tweet. And Dave wrote a blog in like 2016. It was like, I know. He quote tweeted it when the sale happened He goes I know I'm going to get rich

From sports betting I just don't know how yet This is like 2016 or whatever I replied under it He wrote that in like 2006 No it was a newer one then whatever I remember it because it was in the mill I worked for the company and I replied to it I hope I have equity by then.

Oops. Well, you know, I don't know. Everything happens for a reason. Now you're the editor-in-chief, though. Yeah. I gotta read Greeny blogs all day. What a privilege. What?

This is the only thing we've ever talked about. Honestly, what does that entail? Yeah, the day-to-day. Let me say this. The blog is still important, and it still gets tens of millions of people go to. We have an app called Barstool Sports, and it's just the blog. It's a pretty big app, and so a lot of people go to it. I think we're the last website and app that is just like,

everyone else just goes to social media. We're like, oh, everyone has a website. I wish people looked at it. That's why I get mad when people tweet all day. It's like, people should look at the blog as that. I almost have to apologize to you because I know you're good about it. You're always like, hey, that thing you said is cool or great story or this thing happened to you. Maybe write a blog about it. All I can do is encourage.

I do not have – I was going to say, what is your power with that? You know what? Can you make someone do stuff? You should because you come to me and I know you try to encourage and I – it's just so hard. I don't know. It's like maybe I'm all blogged out. I don't know. It's like maybe I'm all blogged out. I don't know. I think there is a part of it.

It takes a fucking seismic shift for me to sit down and write a blog now. But the people who are younger and my age when I was blogging who don't, fuck them. Because it's such – I mean I built – we built our characters and our personas and everything doing that. Francis crushes. Yeah. He understands it so well. We built our characters and our personas and everything doing that. Francis crushes. He understands it so well. It's like, here is a homepage of millions of people, and nobody uses it. Dude, imagine just reading your stupid, illiterate, bad grammar to five football stadiums. Right?

It's just like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put it that way. Five fucking football stadiums reading your shit, and people are like, maybe I'll write a blog this month. You know how many people work for newspapers and shit that would literally suck somebody's dick for that audience? And that salary.

Right. But you know what also the thing is? You don't have to because you don't get fired. You can just sit here and collect the check. There's zero accountability. I don't want to start calling for people's heads. No, me neither. That's part of the not caring thing it's like i don't care what other people do with their job all i can do is say there is a blog

here for you to say whatever you want to million i mean a million people won't read a blog but millions of millions of people go to the app or the website every single month yeah and you have the opportunity to put your podcast your videos videos, your humor, your voice, your merch, your face in front of that many people. And people just don't do it. And you say, nah. You know what we need to do? I mean, a blog. Okay, let's say a podcast, like a smaller podcast at Barstool.

I don't know the numbers. I'm just going to say one. Let's say 30,000 people will listen to an episode if you have a good headline and it's tweeted from the main account on twitter which has four million followers and it's put on facebook to however many people follow the facebook you're getting quadruple the number but also but no one's listening to it like that's at least what we were told one day like they were like they were like don't bother with that because this is back in the day like i don't even know what was – No one will listen to that episode. No one will click the podcast, but no one – it will drive – I believe it will drive literally zero.

But the thing is, why does McDonald's keep advertising to keep your eyeballs on their logo? If you have your face on the blog and your podcast on the blog – But also more importantly, those people are doing so little that even if the click through is zero fucking do it anyway we got to a point where it's like we're busier we're doing other things where we've earned the right to say yes or no but these other people it's like I do want to do we've gotten pretty good at

we get like our Fridays are lighter and I do want to I want to start this last year I know it's our best trait I always want to blog I tried to do it last year and I kind of just fell off I want to do this last year. I know it's our best trait. I always want to blog. I tried to do it last year and I kind of just fell off. I want to do something new on Fridays and then blog about it on Monday.

Go do something on Monday. I did it with chakras aligned. There's things I've wanted to do. I don't know. Something weird might happen. This is something I've never done. I do want to put it out there that I would like to do it more this year. Also, there is a part of me that is like we have this audience that likes us.

We don't have a Howard Stern show where people are like, I listen because I hate listening. People like us. And kind of what we were talking about where feedback is very largely just good now. I love that for you guys. My social media and everything is largely just fun stuff. Sometimes people are motherfuckers. My social media and everything, it's largely just fun stuff. Sometimes people are motherfuckers to an individual tweet. No, you have very funny replies. Largely, it's just good.

Part of me just doesn't want to open it up and be like, fuck you, fuck, I fucking hate you. I don't know, man, things are good. But you're entitled to do that. The people who are just sitting around not doing anything and they don't really have good feedback on anything else or any feedback. It is tricky though.

You'll say we should have a quota. Absolutely not. Because then you're garbage. And I won't put it up and then I'll be mother... Guess what? My job is to stop Dante from putting up blogs about George Floyd. You don't need a quote what you need like like

a lot of companies like finance companies and shit if you are a bottom 10 performer you just get fired and that's it's just a black and white way to do it i think 10 is a too high of a number but if you made it like so low if you are a bottom three percent performer, it's almost like you know you deserve to be fired because you are literally the bottom four or five people at the company. We're doing a great job not saying names. We're doing such a... But then those people...

I should fucking pat on my back. Those people, if you're like, okay, I need to make sure I'm not in the bottom 5%, you will do enough to probably be in the top 15%. You're not going to just make it. Do you know how easy it is? There's going to be a couple people who get fired. Marty Mush is a top 10 blogger

every week. He cannot put together a sentence. He spelled Floyd Mayweather's first and last name wrong today. That is a top 10 blogger a billion dollar company so i i mean we work with him a little bit because he he's a genius in this way he goes i just take whatever's popular on tiktok and i put it on the blog and i know people like it because it's the top of my tiktok i go you're a genius you don't even need to like write you know a novel just. Just put some comments in there, and you're good to go. Yeah.

The people that don't do that are fucking stupid. It's also funny. Every meeting for the last five years, we've heard two things. One, anybody can be a star. Look at the painting. Anybody can be a star. As much as you put out, you get it. And then everybody texts me, he said it.

He said the line. I might get that tattooed on my body. With the quote. I'm going to get the reverse. He's just going

back and Dave's shoveling my water out of the star. Absolutely not. It's you shoveling and Dave's just taking it and putting it in his pocket.

Dave's just below and getting bigger and bigger. You're going to try something new? Uh-uh, not on my watch. I do always say that I was very lucky when I started here, being the intern. If I'd gotten that internship with Dave, I do not think I'm here. You wouldn't have put up with it? No, no, no. I do not think I'm here you wouldn't have put up with it no no no I don't think I'm sitting here you were good

Dave would have been Dave and bashed me and beat me down whereas when I got the internship with you you were like right I think I wrote I think most people are here he probably wouldn't have been published he would have just

I give credit to Devlin for like he continued to push through and do more stuff because he was just doing the link swap and all that shit. But I was like – He went to a rival company for a hot minute and then came back. Yeah. Hot minute. But like – He's like in their Getty photo. But that's where – I do understand like – I think I was able to be a little more positive because it was like a little bit of good cop, bad cop.

You know what I mean? Positive Kevin is what they call it. But that's what's so funny. I'm so negative in my work and my content. But I think behind the scenes, I was always the one being like, no, go, go, go, try, try, try. And then there was Dave to be like, no, you fucking pussy. Hopefully you find a balance, you know. The Nate at Night thing when I did the face.

Because Mark Content Cone told us, like, we're now a Facebook company. And that's how every other company went out of business. Yep. Because Facebook lied about views and all that. We. They fired all their writers. Dude. Every other company.

And Facebook was like by the way you got seven views yeah like we see yeah oh no we added a couple zeros but like yeah no one actually saw that that happened with one minute man too because the original ones were on facebook and i was like i am i am the god and then they like changed everything and it was like 13 000 views i was like well i'm never doing this again so i had a thing to fall back content cone pushed everybody to do facebook so i was like all right i'm gonna never doing this again. So I had a thing to fall back on. Content Cone pushed everybody to do Facebook. So I was like, all right, I'm going to be on the forefront of this. Made Nate at night.

And all Dave did was go live on Periscope while he did it and said how shitty everything is and all that. I was like, then what's the point, dude? So the two things at the meetings. One, anybody can be a star. And two, tweeting makes this company $0. And they have said both of those things at every meeting and all i can do is encourage people to hey if you want to tweet for three hours about something type those tweets into a blog and it'll go up and i there's some

disconnect where i just cannot get people have you ever thought about um like a little bit of ghostwriting uh what do you mean? For other people? I do all the time. I write for... Like if... You ghost write? I write for Dave... You write Dave's blogs?

Not all the time. Not all the time. I will... If Dave's tweeting about something... Okay, the last one I did that comes to mind is when the playoff game... What was that really exciting one? I was riding my exercise bike, and they came back.

Jacksonville. And it was the most boring broadcast ever. They were snoozing on the job, and Dave was tweeting nonstop and making videos nonstop. So I'll send Dave a text, like, can I put these into a blog? And he'll say yes. And then I'll just put a few sentences. Dude, that motherfucker will always be like, look at me. I'm one of the top bloggers

you have a team of people writing under your name but so like would you ever think about brother if I'm writing it's as me yes I do get that but like if and you would have to like I would if I were you I'd have this in my

contract that like you know you get you would benefit from this. I negotiated a bonus out of my contract. Not a joke. Right now, not a joke. I don't know what that means. I'll tell you in a second. The Mean Girls pop off every time now on their social clips.

If you were to just listen to their clip and almost transcribe it and add a little bit to it, editorialize a little bit, it basically sounds like Jordan and Alex published it under their name. You could just do the reverse too, right? Or take whatever your opinion is and be like, the Mean Girls are dumb because blah, blah, blah. We have to get back to doing that. There was a time we employed

someone to transcribe big interviews with different guests and then we would send it to whoever we thought would blog it like the way because it happened because we were just blogging joe rogan podcast every single day because you know he's the biggest needle mover and so like pat would blog every single joe rogan interview and i was like why don't we blog our own interviews so we would transcribe the big interviews with guests and then send it to whoever and we just stopped doing that because we don't promote our own stuff i'm desperately gonna try to change that

yeah uh but what did you how did you negotiate a bonus out of your own contract i didn't really understand this bonus structure that was put into my contract so i went into erica and i was like i'm kind of like confused like what does this mean she's like oh we'll just take it out i go okay and then and then you realize that you would have hit like and made money it wasn't like a ton of money it was just there was some weird like chart it was like this dollar this amount of this and that and i was like ari i'm kind of like confused by this section and she instead of explaining it she goes oh we'll just take it out you're like word yeah thank you very much yeah i like this is when like coley that could go back 15 years i always say they get they got so lucky that they did get a good

the hardest working hard working talented funny but dumb and loyal to an absolute fault. Dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. So this is when Coley named me co-editor-in-chief. And I was hyping myself up because I watch all of Token. It's like, never take the first offer. Negotiate this and that. I'm hyping myself. I'm going to ask for this.

I'm going to ask for this. I'm going to ask for this. Eric is coming to my office. I was like, give me a pen. Negotiated absolutely not. It is like coming to my office. I was like, give me a pen. Negotiated. Absolutely not. It is so hard to put into practice. I told this story a million times, but the first time I ever had an agent and they called me and they're like, what's the lowest you'll take? And I said, about half of what I make now.

And they go, well, we're not going to go in with that. I often think about how many conversations the the only time i ever started to grow a backbone was i started to think i bet that they've had conversations where they go like thank god clancy is a fucking pushover you know like like well we know that we're gonna lock him up for cheap you know it's like the braves right now signing all these guys, like everyone reacting. Like, what the fuck are these? I bet everybody at like Barstool and Chernin were like. I mean, they did. To be fair, they said it about Dave.

Dave sold Barstool for $12.5 million. It was like, Dave, Portnoy. And they were like, cool, we own you. You are never negotiating anything ever again. Like, we are. Yeah, you are not the one. You've talked candidly that looking back,'re like i was so loyal i just assumed everything would work out i wish i got a agent earlier like you just you got to look out for yourself at some

point i just said it on oops the two things i wish i did i wish i was a little less self-deprecating like i always made fun of myself and that's my sense of humor but i i wish there were times that i was like no no wait a minute like fuck that you know like I can make fun of me you can't make fun of me because if you make fun of yourself everybody else does about that too it's like should I just like you know I I never talk about my personal life that much like people I've dated relationships and that isn't that no no but that but that aside it's like should I just like stand up for myself more yeah you should so like Don't be self-deprecating. Stand up for yourself and absolutely get an agent

and have representation and all that shit because it's just like, you have to look out for yourself. In the beginning, it was like, we're a family. So you only go down in followers and you want an agent? All right.

But there's somebody who will, you know. I don't need an agent. I'm so untalented. That's not true. This is one of the funniest podcasts we've had in a long time and I was actually just about to say that you are one of the people who knows like the like you have all

the inside info because you've been here that long so you are you're my you're my source for the juicy goss you would tell me so i need a why don't we do this why don't we do because every every monday we try to have somebody from barstool but this has been a dream of mine for like two years why don't we do every one monday a month it's hot goss with with juicy goss with nate dog i mean i'm fine with it because you have all the stories and all that shit so how to stop doing power rankings too many feelings got hurt there so let's do power rankings on kx radio with the nate dog but the thing is like you know how like we haven't said a name this whole time yeah because what's the point it was just called

world war three see i can't say that. World War III. That's hard to be. That's a tough one. World War III. I feel like I nailed it. Without, I hate him.

Without, without dating. Take back everything I said about you. I'm not going to suck you. I'm not going to suck you anymore. That was so not sick. Oh, second Mike Neat over here. You got one Monday a month.

How about that? Let's not overkill it. People get very sick of me. One Monday a quarter. For a year. Yeah. I like that. Okay.

I like that a lot. And then if it goes well, we'll up it, but you got to come with some juicy goss. I will. You got to drop some bombs. And how about one name an episode? One name an episode.

On some story. You know, you just got to come up with some story. Deal? Deal. I love it. Let's go. Everybody go read the blog because it is still funny.

Everybody should read the blog. But also follow. Are you Barstool Nate or Nate Barstool? I'm Barstool Nate. I might change it. I might just become Eric. Don't do that. Take my life back.

Don't check. Have Take my life back. Have a semblance of autonomy one time for the first time in a decade. I was like, who do you think you're talking to? There's plenty of semblances of that. Now stay barstool, Nate. You're the dog, man. You'll forever be the dog. That was great, Nate.

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