KFC Radio - Quickie: Evil Genius (with KMarko)

Episode Date: May 16, 2018

Kevin, John, and Keith discuss the new true crime documentary Evil GeniusYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music.... For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. KFC Radio, quickie. Wednesday, we're doing a little Barstool DVR. That means we got my man K. Marco in the building. Today we are talking about the latest Netflix sensation, the four-part miniseries, Evil Genius. I did not know this was coming out. Was this highly promoted? Did it come out this weekend? Did you guys hear about it from me?
Starting point is 00:00:27 Do I get credit for that? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yeah, you texted me and Lou, right? I did. Or was it Lou who texted me? Yeah, and I tweeted it.
Starting point is 00:00:34 Yeah, okay. I just wanted that out of the way. I heard about it from you. I'm just saying I remember when Ozarks came out. I remember when Stranger Things first came out. These things were very highly touted. This just seemed to creep up out of nowhere, and you texted me, and then I tweeted about it, and then i noticed everybody replying and i was like oh
Starting point is 00:00:48 shit this is the new netflix jump off but i did not know it was coming i don't know either i saw the new york post tweeted about it like the day before it came out and that's the first time i heard of it and what were they saying this is the new jinx this is the new true crime that type of shit yeah yeah because i i think this had a very heavy jinx vibe to it where um it was still kind of an open case and uh yeah i never really got into the jinx i didn't like it as much as everyone else did holy shit like the like the ending was obviously sick but i didn't it wasn't oh wow i was very captivated by the entire i think i think the jinx is the gold standard for the true crime shows see i think I think making murder is. Right. Well, so you texted me saying this, that evil genius. I like the jinx, evil genius, making murder, if I had to put them in order.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I would probably go, I don't know. The jinx of making murder 1A, 1B. This is two. I feel like making a murder to me was kind of overrated. I feel like it was kind of like obvious. I don't know. The lasting image for me is like Brendan Dassey
Starting point is 00:01:47 doesn't deserve to be in jail. Steven Avery is a fucking piece of shit. I don't give a shit about him. Yeah. You know? That's fair. This was good because it was four episodes and they were under an hour.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Correct. You could like plow through this in one afternoon. I started at noon on Sunday. I finished before the Celtics. I didn't know that, by the way. I thought I was like in for like eight hours.
Starting point is 00:02:04 So I was like, I got started on like Friday and I by the end of the weekend hopefully I find enough time in between all my other bullshit and then when I was on episode three someone told me it was four I was like oh yeah I actually stopped and saved it for night most most most self
Starting point is 00:02:17 restraint I've ever shown I was like I'm gonna save half of episode three and episode four for tonight and they jam-packed it into it like making murder was stretched out more over ten episodes. This was like every second was something else. Let me tell you something. The best part about this
Starting point is 00:02:29 little miniseries, they get right the fuck into it. I mean, you see a man blow up in five minutes. Spoiler alert. Did you guys know the story going into it? No, I read your blog.
Starting point is 00:02:37 I was shocked. We were, what, 14? I wasn't following pizza bomber cases when I was 14. I remember the headline. It was a big headline. Yeah, I'm actually surprised
Starting point is 00:02:44 we didn't remember it. That's a wild fucking case that a pizza delivery man got his head blown off. It was 2003 cases when I was 14. I remember the headline. I'm actually surprised we didn't remember it. That's a wild fucking case. I was 16. The pizza delivery man got his head blown off. It was 2003, so I was 16. I can read the newspaper. You read the newspaper at 16? I didn't read the newspaper.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I saw newspapers with headlines on them. That's a different thing. I saw newspapers and I can read the newspaper. I can read the... Well, I didn't know the headline. I didn't know the story. And to be honest, maybe this is just me being stupid and naive because I guess there wouldn't be much of a show.
Starting point is 00:03:09 But I thought there was a chance that maybe the bomb wasn't real. I thought there was a chance maybe they were going to stop it. I didn't know that we were about to watch this guy blow the fuck up. And they had the footage of it. And you watch him, pow, blow up. What was his deal? Like, when he was just sitting there? Like, he was just calm.
Starting point is 00:03:27 One of the funniest tweets we got was that he was sitting in a really rough form of crisscross applesauce. I don't know why his legs. Backwards and wrong. You didn't have to sit like that. No. It looks so uncomfortable. Poor Brian Wells, man. He was just like, hey, I'm not lying.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Yeah. I mean, yo, yo, I have a bomb in my fucking neck! Get this fucking bomb off my neck! They're not going to get here in time. I know they had a gun drawn on them. I'd run right at the cops. Well, they had the guns on them, but I would have been like, I'm going to go stand next to you. I'm going to fucking hug you. And then we'll see how quick the bomb squad gets here. I'm going to make this not just my problem. This is going to be a collective.
Starting point is 00:04:14 We're going to handle this as a group. The best part was them keeping the guns trained on him after they just watched him literally combust. His body was blown apart, and they walked up to him with the guns pointed at him. Reminded me of that groundhog last week just pointing out a dead body so brian wells is the guy we're talking about pizza delivery man uh and just i mean talk about wrong place wrong time just the the wrong oh but i don't know i guess i guess we all debate was he in on it that's kind of the the lasting question was he part of it did he understand what was happening? I feel like he got blown the fuck up, so he didn't. But, uh, Brian
Starting point is 00:04:48 Wells, Peach Delivery Man, Marjorie Deal Armstrong? The stunningly, beautifully gorgeous Marjorie. Hang on, you guys are both, she's disgusting. She is grotesque. She is repugnant. But the,
Starting point is 00:05:04 like, she's not ugly in the young age. She's not like a. But the, like, she's not ugly at a young age. She's not, like, a stunner. But, like, she's not ugly. That's fine. But the way they were talking about her. I mean, it was, in my mind, the way they were describing it, it was, like, Britney Spears, Prime, Megan Fox Transformers, Marjorie, like, as a young woman.
Starting point is 00:05:20 And, like, the first thing they say about her is, like, Marjorie wasn't normal. She was an absolute unit. And then they're like, but everyone loved her. What do you mean everyone loved the big bitch in the sixties? A unit. Oh girl,
Starting point is 00:05:33 were you six, two, six, three. Yeah. The WNBA is coming down the line. I need a Marjorie deal Armstrong. There are those girls though that like have that,
Starting point is 00:05:41 you know, that it factor that can, you know, hook, draw you in and manipulate you and stuff. Fact. Without being super beautiful. Fact.
Starting point is 00:05:47 They described her specifically as beautiful. Yeah. Her eyes were incredible. And then they showed the picture of her, and it was like, her? And they did it so matter of fact when they showed the picture that you were supposed to be blown away. Yeah. They were like, everybody knows. Look, Marjorie, she got whatever she wanted.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Men were drooling over her. She was like a 6.5. She was so manipulative because she was so hot Men were drooling over her. She was like a 6.5. She was so manipulative because she was so hot. And then they showed the picture and I was like, hard 6, I would say. Yeah, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:06:10 But also like a hard 6 in 19, what was it, 60? It's a big deal. That's a weapon. Different story. That's true. A 2018 6 is a fucking weapon in 1962.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Yeah, I guess like Marilyn Monroe was like a 7.5. Right, right, right. That is true. All right, so there's a cast of characters here. You've got Marjorie the big unit. You've got Bill Rothstein. Boo.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Oh, I love Bill Rothstein. By the way, I love that you say boo. He looks exactly like Thumbs Down Guy. Exactly like Thumbs Down Guy. To a T. I loved Bill Rothstein. What? That's a big time sociopathic.
Starting point is 00:06:46 He gives such a bad name for Jews. I did not like that. Yeah, not good. Bad for Jews. Not good for Jews. I fucking hate it. He's just such a cocky motherfucker. When he came out and spoke French, I lost my mind.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Yes, yes. Je m'appelle. It started dying. Well, okay, so there's- Classic wild Bill. He's coming out and yelling in French at the court reporters. Dude just strutting around. I love, I mean, the highlight of the show for me was when he tried to kill himself.
Starting point is 00:07:12 That was a silly suicide attempt. Just really, really poo-pooed that idea. And then number one on the list was, this had nothing to do with Brian Wells. And the FBI was like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Nobody would ever fucking think it did. Just in case you saw it, it doesn't. Honestly, I feel like
Starting point is 00:07:32 these guys... I didn't know you knew that guy. They said the only thing more bizarre with them being like Marjorie was the hottest chick in the world was the way they acted. Like Bill Rothstein was like, he was a master manipulator. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:07:51 It was like, that motherfucker barely spoke French. Listen, Bill Rothstein was some fucking white trash asshole. And Marjorie is in jail. She's not that fucking smart. They all got caught. I mean, what do you want me to tell you here? She got caught like four times. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:06 She got off on one. She got off on one. So let's paint the whole picture with Marjorie because this is one of those times where I think if we had a little something called pre-crime, or actually just regular crime, we could have locked her up.
Starting point is 00:08:17 No, it was real crime. She broke real crime. It was like three. So she murdered her boyfriend in 1984. Yes. Straight up murdered him. Shot him six times. But she claimed it was self-defense, and everyone was just like, okay, sounds good.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Then her husband, her next husband. I'm surprised that was so easy. Like, I feel like that works nowadays. But back then? No, wait. It's like, come on, woman. You got to be able to take a punch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:39 That's true. That's a good point. This is how it goes. Like, this is 1960. What are you talking about? You fucking get a stronger jaw, Marjorie. I'm also surprised. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Very glad things have changed. I'm also surprised Marjorie couldn't just fucking handle herself being the unit that she was. So the boyfriend dies. She says, self-defense, nobody cares. Her next husband mysteriously disappears. No, no. Mysteriously dies of a brain hemorrhage that nobody thought was a brain hemorrhage. Yeah, he hit his head on a coffee table, right?
Starting point is 00:09:07 And so we all know what's going on there. Yeah, he got chokeslip. It's a power bomb. And then James Roden is, he ends up dead in the freezer. That was a funny fucking convo with Bill Rothstein. Sir, do you know who dead in the freezer. That was a funny fucking convo with Bill Rostein.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Sir, do you know who's in the freezer? I'll tell you my story later. I got time, Bill. I love when they were like, so why'd you put the body in the freezer? Why didn't you get rid of it? And I'm like, I don't really know. Good question.
Starting point is 00:09:41 They said Bill wanted to finish his business ventures first. So I was like, oh, he was busy. He had shit to do. I love the, uh. He put the tarp up. When they let the freezer thaw out. And then they just like flip it in his body. Ba-boom.
Starting point is 00:09:53 He's just rolling around. And it's all like tied up. That was their strategy. They had one guy. They were like, Bob, come over here. And he was just trying to lift it. And he couldn't lift it because it was a fucking freezer with a body in it. And he was like struggling.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And he finally gets it up a little bit, and the body just, like... But it just slides down. Like, it was up at the top. Like... They had one fucking guy. Like, don't worry, we're not trying to preserve evidence or anything over here. Tom, go ahead. Fucking do whatever you want to it.
Starting point is 00:10:18 They dumped him on the fucking floor. There was a woman actually laughing. I mean... There was one guy not doing anything. They were like, hey, can you do me a favor? Get this body out of this freezer, buddy. To be fair, I mean, to name, this thing is named like evil genius, like the most elaborate bank robbery heist ever. And everyone was a master manipulator and everyone was a genius. And all I saw was a bunch of fucking idiots getting caught or with bad ideas.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Who almost got $8,000. So they said, so the master plan People who almost worked for a month. The master plan was to grab Brian Wells, give him a fucking cane gun. What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:11:04 What is a cane gun? I don't know. It had bolts in it. It sounds like some 007 ass. Like, you swing it around all happy. Pow! They could have gave him a real gun also. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Why did he need a fucking cane gun? Bill Rossi wanted to show what a fucking genius he is. Like, oh, I'm going to whip up this gun. Thing doesn't even fire or anything. Meanwhile, he looks like a fucking hunchback another day with his fucking bomb sticking out 20 feet. I guess I can appreciate the drama of the neck bomb, but I gotta imagine there's
Starting point is 00:11:31 more efficient ways to rob a bank than to give someone a cane gun and put a bomb around their fucking neck. I mean, it just didn't seem that effective because, like you said, he walked away with eight grand and nothing else. He would have been just as effective stealing money if he walked in with a note that said, I have a gun. Give me the money. Yeah. Okay, here you go.
Starting point is 00:11:48 And it was a last minute. They didn't put anything under your shirt until it's a fucking neck bomb. I don't know. Whatever. It was a last minute decision to even put the shirt on. They were going to send it to me just with that fucking bomb. You really don't need the cane gun. A bunch of geniuses. She ripped it. She cut out a white tee and put it over.
Starting point is 00:12:04 It wrote guess on it. Real clever joke there. Guess what's under this? I don't know. Looks like a fucking bomb. The fact that that's just the FBI and the ATF and local police just trying to spin the story. They don't look like fucking these guys were geniuses. You had
Starting point is 00:12:22 to see him in action. Seriously, it was really confusing. Oh, man. It was really confusing, I promise. Bill, that guy, he could spin a tail. Let me tell you. He's just sitting there like, uh. Yeah, Marjorie shot him.
Starting point is 00:12:34 And then, I don't know, I just took the body. Like, this guy. I don't know how to get him down. Wait, why did Bill ever call the police in the first place? He was scared of Marjorie. He was just scared of her, what, killing him? Yeah, I think so. I also think that, so this is a little psychological profiling of my own.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Oh, sure. I think that this guy had failed at everything in his life, and he thought that he was so smart, but he hadn't been successful in anything, and he was dying of cancer. I don't know if he knew that at the time, but he was getting old, and he really wanted to go out having done something that made him seem smart and so i think that was the motivation is that he wanted to like pull off a bank yeah he didn't do a very good job of it he failed again if you have to keep telling everyone you're super smart you're not like you uh you have to no yes no
Starting point is 00:13:17 handsome not smart um you're probably not but you're just a dumb one you keep saying no no no no no you keep saying they were talking about me as the dumb one You keep saying No no no no You keep saying I thought they were talking about me As the smart one also Maybe they meant for that call To be when I was on the show It could have been I don't think they were mentioning that
Starting point is 00:13:31 The Like if you like They wrote on the note A bunch of times Like do not try and outsmart us Yeah And then they had He like
Starting point is 00:13:38 Every time like a cop came in He was like Just so you know I'm the smartest one in the room Like okay bro Bill you're probably not Yeah like By the way
Starting point is 00:13:44 You're about to go to jail He was in that room probably with the fucking idiot detective. Oh, yeah. What was Larry Clark? Dude who just couldn't stop laughing at everything he said. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:51 The funniest thing in the world. Every piece of evidence that came up, every piece of evidence that came up, they'd interview like the ATF or the FBI guy and they'd be like,
Starting point is 00:13:57 we missed that one. Yeah. When he was just like, sometimes things get missed. I mean, really, kind of the linchpin to the whole thing was that the black dude who was like, yeah, I saw the van, right? That was kind of the the linchpin to the whole thing was that the black
Starting point is 00:14:05 dude who was like yeah i saw the van right like that that was like kind of the only thing that really connect it was just like i don't know why nobody asked him about that i never thought i don't know why anybody talked about the van but it was a very very unique and noticeable turquoise astro van that was at his house and at his spot, and then he mysteriously moved it, and then the day after he was cleared as a suspect, brought it back. These people are not mastermind geniuses. The lead investigator was not ever questioned or asked anything about what he was looking at,
Starting point is 00:14:33 and he was standing on the spot and saw a van drive up to it, stop, turn around, and go back. Like, that's the most suspicious thing ever. And no one was like, oh, we missed that. Oh, wish we had not have missed that. And so the idea had this all gone off, like, oh, we missed that. Wish we had not have missed that. And so the idea had this all gone off correct, was that he was going to get like $250,000 for the house or whatever was going on with that property that he owned.
Starting point is 00:14:54 There was a whole, yeah, there was exactly $250,000 bill or price or whatever. And then that was the demands on the sheet. And then he was going to like, hopefully just drive away with it, Scott free and bring the money back to them. Criminal mastermind asked for the exact amount of money he needed for the property. Some Donald Trump shit.
Starting point is 00:15:12 At least Donald Trump changed it by like two cents. Ask for like 300 maybe and have a little extra cash. Yeah. Right. After you sell the house for the moon here, pal. Um, and,
Starting point is 00:15:22 and so that was really, I mean that like, that's what's funny is Like I just said This is supposed to be the The most like complex heist ever And it really is When you tell the story But when you break down the actual like
Starting point is 00:15:32 Criminal plan It was all fucking It was terrible It was a fucking joke But I'll just say When I was watching episode one Homeboy blows up Again
Starting point is 00:15:41 Me stupidly naive The criminal masterminds Didn't give him enough time to do it. To complete it. Right. And you're not going to get the money until he completes it. If he blows up. Yeah. He has to complete it to get the money. Remember they said they tested
Starting point is 00:15:55 it out and they were like there was not enough time. I assumed that that meant they wanted him to die. Yeah, but how are you going to get it if he blows up randomly in the middle of the trip? I thought they'd just go take it from him. But if you're just driving along, well, I guess it depends on where you blow up, right? Yeah. If you blow up and drive down the highway, your car's probably going to flip.
Starting point is 00:16:13 That's going to be a scene. They were following him, weren't they? So they would know where he was. But then you can't. If you blow up in the middle of the highway and it's a big scene, I don't know if you're just going to get your money and bounce. Well, I mean, we're not dealing with criminal masterminds. Yeah, that was my point.
Starting point is 00:16:25 It wasn't a criminal mastermind thing. As I'm watching the show, the dude blows up and then they leave the bomb for a little bit and they tell the whole story of James Rorden in the fucking freezer to the point that I started to focus so much on that murder that when they brought it back
Starting point is 00:16:41 to the pizza man, I was like, oh yeah, shit, we're talking about a guy who got blown up and then got decapitated. There's a lot going on. And then they'll it back to the pizza man, I was like, oh, yeah, shit. We're talking about a guy who got blown up and then got decapitated. There's a lot going on. And then they'll just casually throughout the four episodes, the guy stocked in. They're like, yeah, oh, well, he raped an underage disabled girl. Oh, okay, let's just pepper that in there.
Starting point is 00:16:57 I mean, when you look at all the criminals, all of their bullshit, all of their backstories, all of their history, and all of their crimes, we're talking about the biggest scumbags. The biggest scumbag crew in the world ever. Ken Barnes, that's my boy. Ken Barnes was a real piece of shit. The biggest opposite of a glow-up to ever happen to
Starting point is 00:17:13 any character in TV history. He had the... He's like, I like jail. Oh, that was the best. That's why Marjorie was so pissed. Bill Rothstein's dead. He doesn't have to deal with anything he uh ken barnes loves jail because he got off of drugs he gets fed every day and he's got a roof over his head i was like you know tax dollars at work
Starting point is 00:17:37 doesn't sound so bad and then marjorie's the only fucking poor bitch who's who's stuck in uh in prison rotting away and And boy, did she rot. She had her eyebrows for three hours. That was a sneaky good part. What does that mean, by the way? Just telling everyone how you kill people. Again, not the move of a criminal mastermind. Or is it?
Starting point is 00:17:56 They just keep sending in new inmates, new cellmates. Hey, tell her. Yeah, they come out with 20-page notes of everything she said and how she did the murder. What does the police send? Isn't that somewhere you send someone undercover? Send a mole. Send just a cop in. Yeah, have a wire.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Three people have come up and been like, hey, that woman won't shut the fuck up about how she killed everyone. We're going to put a real cop undercover in there and just see what she happens to say. And that's why, at the end of the day, you can never trust these hoes, man. You can never trust prostitutes because Brian Wells' favorite prostitute, his favorite of all of his hookers, his number one favorite, Jessica Spithook or something?
Starting point is 00:18:33 Hoopsick? That's Spithook. Close enough. I mean, she kind of ratted everybody out, right? I mean, she kind of blew the whole thing up. She set him up. Do you think he had anything to do with it? Not, like, I think he was, I don't use the R word, so, like, he was mentally handicapped.
Starting point is 00:18:51 He was retarded. He was retarded, yeah. I'll let you say that. So I think he was that. But he, like, was very, she even said he was, like, easily agreeable and could be pushed into doing anything, and I think he just, like, did it. He was, like, he just randomly danced sometimes.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Yeah, yeah. Probably retarded. No, I mean, yeah, that was a dude showing up at this whorehouse to get like, he just randomly danced sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Probably retarded. Yeah. That was a dude showing up at this whorehouse to get laid because he just couldn't otherwise. And I like he's Brian. He's Brian Dassey. Like, had he not died, Brendan Dassey, he had he not died and like and went down for this crime. I think there'd be a lot of people being like, this guy is a victim.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Yeah. No, I think he wanted friends. He wanted to be invited places. He wanted to hang out. And then these people manipulated him. And even the way they described putting the bomb on him. Yeah. When Ken Burns was like, yeah, I punched him in the face.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Like, come on, don't be a pussy. Like, they're getting bullied. Yeah. It's like he's getting pushed around in the locker room at school, except they put a fucking neck bomb on him. Yeah. It was a pretty rough bullying session. I mean, Brian Wells might have had the worst life in the world. And he certainly had the worst episode of television ever.
Starting point is 00:19:50 His best friend was the 90-year-old woman next door that was just the landlord. Best friend was an old lady. Only interaction was his hookers. Scavenger hunts. Oh, that was my favorite part. Oh, yeah. The poor guy never found the key. He never found the key.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Almost found the key once, though. Almost. Came real close to finding that key one time. Poor fucking guy. Yeah, I mean, that all makes perfect sense. Like, all right, go get the retard who likes scavenger hunts. We're going to make him do one and get us money. You know what?
Starting point is 00:20:16 That was kind of a nice way for him to go out, like one last scavenger hunt. Oh, right. Yeah. At least he died doing what he loved. Right. Painfully. Slowly and dramatically. Painfully. Slowly and dramatically. Slowly, painfully, and then they desecrated his body.
Starting point is 00:20:28 They chopped his head off! They chopped his head off! They said that so casually. I was like, hold on, I rewind. I was like, rewound. I was like, did they just say that he carefully removed his head? I love they said that. They were like, so we removed his head.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And then I think he realized what he said. He was like, carefully. I missed it. Gently. I missed it. Did they say that first? Because I learned about it during the press conference. When the sister... realized what he said. He was like, carefully. I missed it. Gently. Did they say that first? Because I learned about it during the press conference. When the sister... No, he said it beforehand.
Starting point is 00:20:49 So I missed that. I heard in the press conference they were like, they cut his head off. That bald dude with the blue shirt. He said it was the toughest position he's ever had to play. Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, they did it in the middle of the street. I know. Imagine being on the street. It wasn't on a surgical table. How carefully could it have been done?
Starting point is 00:21:07 You brought a huntsman, a woodsman accent, dude Let's not fuck around with this They're describing, they're like You couldn't have an open casket Because they couldn't prop the head pinned on Up well enough to look good I mean, imagine The fucking mortician for that
Starting point is 00:21:22 I can't get this goddamn head to stay. Listen, I'm not a magician, okay? There's only so much I can do here. I'll do the makeup, but I can't make him have a head again, folks. Yeah, I mean, the poor son of a bitch, Brian Wells. Marjorie D.L. Armstrong is one of the most obnoxious, annoying, fat pieces of shit who has ever walked the planet Earth. She was so arrogant arrogant so conceited
Starting point is 00:21:45 fat ugly and dumb i don't understand how it takes you three hours to shave your eyebrows it takes three seconds so she did it on purpose to scare people right however i don't even know how you do it for three hours there's so little surface area you have to like maybe like pluck like all three hours just stood there like every every 15 minutes she moved an inch but but here's the thing at the end of the day man, none of this worked. You tried to like manipulate people. And I mean, I guess she did move prisons, but that was because she snitched. She was ready to fucking talk.
Starting point is 00:22:12 It was like, long story short, they tried to pull off a crime. It didn't work. And when people started talking about it, it all like unraveled. That's it. There's no mastermind here. They were all like every criminal crew. They were good because they were all scared of the death penalty. Yeah, well, the first one who talks doesn't get the death penalty.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Exactly, man. So speak up. It's very, very easy. That's what Ken Barnes did, right? Ken Barnes was the first one. No, no, was it Rothstein? Whoever Rothstein. The fact, if you're an FBI agent in Erie, Pennsylvania, and Bill Rothstein hoodwinked you and died without a single charge. I like how, how Larry Clark or whatever his name is.
Starting point is 00:22:47 He went one last time to let Bill clear his mind. Like, Hey Bill, don't take this with you. Did you do it? Yeah. No. Promise. He wrote a big job. Larry was like, all right, God, here you go.
Starting point is 00:22:59 This guy. I had him this time. There's other, we can do? Cold case. Sorry, I don't know what to do. But we'll list the retarded dude who got tricked into this. We'll list him as an unindicted conspirator. But Bill's good.
Starting point is 00:23:16 He's good. Rest in peace, buddy. He said no. I don't know what else he wanted from me. He said no. He said no. He said no. He said no.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Imagine if he was just like, yes. All right. He said very clearly in his suicide note that he had, that had nothing to do with it. So I don't know what else. Wait, Bill, you knew Brian? Promise. That's twice he said no.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Yeah, but no, I just read him in the paper. I just wanted to make sure you knew. Nothing there. Oh, all right. Yeah, no, good. Makes sense. Don't have to waste our time on that. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Yeah. I mean, it's funny because now talking about it, it's all a fucking joke and it's all it's all fun and games and a good laugh. But as of watching it, I mean, I really did think I think of making a murder was four episodes. Yeah, I think I would have enjoyed that a lot more. I feel like this was just jam packed with good storytelling, good twists and turns. There was not a minute that went by. I actually was struggling to watch it because I had to rewind every two seconds
Starting point is 00:24:11 because I got distracted by the kids. I had to do some shit on the blog. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, I missed something important. You just missed like 20 plot points. Yeah, because they jammed it all in. So I thought it was very enjoyable as far as the true crime world goes.
Starting point is 00:24:23 I'll tell you what. The real enemy in this story. How about the mental health system in America? Am I right? They let the lawyer when he was pissed off. He was like, they let this woman out three or four times. Like they know she was crazy.
Starting point is 00:24:35 They said she was crazy. And they're just like, yeah, I mean, look what she did. She blew a poor fucking scavenger hunt boy. I just feel like that's like the oldest trick in the book to plead insanity and like to me you know oh well she shaved her eyebrows so she must be nuts so let's
Starting point is 00:24:49 let her out that type of shit give me a fucking break eerie pennsylvania the whole thing is a bad look eerie not a good look you got pizza delivery men who are dead left and right everybody's getting away with it the fucking police officers are getting hoodwinked the dude every turn of the every step of the way the atf dude i forgot his name but he was so like genuinely hurt when the news reports were saying that they were incompetent and he was like i just don't get it man like oh man i wish they could just see what it was like i was like buddy we're looking at what it was like you missed fucking everything the yeah the whole like suck at your job they were really laying it on like no no no you don't get it they were they were master manipulators it's hard to yeah i get it's hard to investigate a crime like here breaking news
Starting point is 00:25:28 criminals they lie and they like don't want to get caught and they'll come up with ways to avoid going to prison this fucking dweeb documentary maker solved the case better than you fucking did and you're professional at it and so that i didn't like that guy at all i didn't know no not at all and they did not do a good job job of establishing him as someone you care about. You know, it either should have just been like a regular narrator or, like,
Starting point is 00:25:49 you know what really bothered me? A couple times, they were like, like, they didn't know what to do. But then, they found a clue. That was like
Starting point is 00:25:56 some Hardy Boys shit. It reminded me of the South Park episode where they're making fun of clues. It was like, but, a clue. It was like, so corny. And he 1,000%
Starting point is 00:26:04 wanted to fuck Marjorie so badly. There was like, my family keeps asking me why I'm writing to her. And I'm just like, I can't explain it. I'm just writing letters to her for 10 years. That was some serial Sarah Koenig Adnan shit, except we were talking about a goddamn. That guilty guy from serial? I mean, the fucking proof is in the pudding, bro. When he gets his new trial and he's walking the streets, we'll see who's guilty then.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Okay. All right. Good stuff, Keith. Thanks for having me. We'll be back. Sean left. Yeah, we'll be back for another edition of Barstool DVR. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:33 When something strikes us, let us know what you want us to talk about. RIP Brian Wills. Poor retard scavenger boy.

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