KFC Radio - Rich Franklin, 10 Years at Barstool, and One Fetish too Far

Episode Date: August 20, 2019

KFC recaps his first ten years at Barstool Sports, the Battle of the Blindos, the Tiko Texas Rap Battle, life before and after the first Barstool Combine, the launch of KFC Radio, and much more. Rich Franklin joins to discuss designing the Viva line and the process that goes into it. Voicemails: Wedding invites, One Fetish Too Far, Porn Shut down, and A Girlfriend's Secret.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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It just means sweating. That's it. It's just your life except sweating. And kids want to go outside. Yeah. No, let's get to like – Watch some TV. Give me gloomy, cold weather where you can't go outside.

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And the sun will shine. Bill Park. Bill Park. Bill Park. We listen to KFC Radio. It's a mail time edition of KFC Radio because Fights is out at the Barstool Classic up in Boston. We were recording this on Monday. Sunday night he was out drinking. So who knows if he even made it to the Barstool Classic. I saw a video. It was him, Casey, and Daniela, I believe. I saw a video of him singing

a song. Actually, we can put it in right here. We're playing the Jenga. We do it with our feet. You know it. We do just to beat this damn heat. We're drinking John Daly's because we don't have babies so we're drinking john dailies i bet that sounded great in his head it sounded great out loud brendan i was texting with him i was like god damn i would like to be out right now i had the kids on sunday night and i was like he was he was like why what's happening i was like no i'm just like just standard i want to

just i want to be drinking so he probably was that was probably inspired by me being like well he can't have any john dailies because he has a baby they think about you that much they're just like oh poor kev yep he's at home we're not and this is great imagine but see that's that's what you inspire you inspire so much happiness by people just thinking about you. You know? And how they're not you and how they're not in your situation. Yeah, I mean, Jared, the Rocket has said many times, like, you are everything I don't want to be. And thank you for that.

I am the cautionary tale. I am the one who knocks it's uh it's staggering how bad my life has turned out oh man it is funny though it's it's funny that people like are like i see what you have and i would not like that so i i am i I'll stick with my life. I have always been and always will be the guinea pig and the trailblazer, whether it was, you know, a new social media platform or podcast or vlogs or live shows or whatever. I'm always trying to push the boundaries and do what's next. And I happen to try to do marriage and kids and adult life, try to do all that. And now, you know, you know, whether or not to do it, you know, life try to do all that and now you know you know whether or not to do it you know certainly how to not do it you know maybe the differences to uh to implement and uh

so yeah i am i'm the cautionary tale it's like without darkness there can be no light sort of thing without there's no cold you know what's that it's very zen very zen like without me there is no you without me there is no blueprint without me there is no happiness and every single person has to balance out like the hate with the like the happiness so there's got to be someone out there who does it right and it wakes up every morning happy and that's the balance out me it's like it's just the other side of that same coin. We've done this analogy before. It's like the movie Unbreakable. Fights is Bruce Willis and I'm Mr. Glass.

It's just crazy that they just didn't give Bruce Willis a fucking superhero name. He's just Bruce Willis in Unbreakable, right? That's just his name. Yeah, we don't even know his character's name. He wears the hooded thing and that's it. Ridiculous. So anyway, very apropos that me and you are doing this episode. Last week, the 14th of August was our live show, second one of Caroline's, and it was Fights' 31st birthday.

And it was my 10 year anniversary of the last post ever on For Sure Not. So as we record this, it's probably, yeah, the 19th, I think, was actually, like, maybe my first day of Barstool, New York. This is the first day, first day or first day full-time? No, no, I mean, full-time didn't happen for two years. Right, right, no. I mean, full-time didn't happen for two years. Right, right, right. So this is so – I'm sure a million of you have heard the back story forever, but I started Barstool New York August 2009 after – I won't bore you with the details of how it all went down. Long story short, Dave liked my original website for sure not,

which you can still read if you want. I'm probably going to get in trouble because I'm sure there was something written you know 10 years ago that was pc or okay oh no it's all yeah it's all like all of it like i always say when people uh when they get drafted into professional sports you should go delete your twitter and just start a new one well i got drafted to the bigs when i got to barstool, and I should have just deleted my old website. I should do it right now. We still can, and yet I'm not going to do it because for sure not. I hold very near and dear to my heart. And so it's for sure not.wordpress.com because I lost the fucking domain.

That son of a bitch. Whoever fucking bought that, fuck you, man. That's some bullshit like that's just a stoolie who's squatting on that maybe thinking one day i'll give him like five grand not a dime you will not receive a dime from my website that's bullshit that's like when you hit a a a fucking record-breaking home run and then someone keeps the fucking ball fuck you give that shit back it belongs in a museum give me that domain give me that go i think it's available right now yeah for like for purchase right like like there is like there's something there it doesn't just say like site is not

available this domain is expired go to go daddy and then just type it in and see like it'll tell you if i haven't done it in years but it used to just say like for sure not across the top and it was like this is available contact like administrator like someone who's just like yeah you can have it if you want it they're not doing anything with it i'm not saying that for sure not yeah real not.com is taken yeah motherfuckers you motherfuckers i used to pay i used to pay for years and then i just missed it because i thought to myself i always want to have this and i used to just pay like the fucking 15 bucks or whatever it was and then like one year i got a new credit card or whatever it is i lost it somebody swooped in squatters i'm surprised i haven't contacted you and like that might be something that might be something that somebody just saw there was decent traffic to it

yeah they scooped it up without even really knowing what it is yeah ain't no traffic anymore not without me okay not without fsa we're talking about it and we're driving traffic back to it. This guy's like going to roll in the dough. He's going to make dozens of dollars. I actually, another thing I meant to keep, I had for a long time, I had the first Google AdSense check that got sent to me. Oh, yeah? For when we like finally implemented AdSense. It's like you get like a half a penny per per 10,000 clicks or some shit

like that so I got like a check for like 18 and I was all sentimental it's like you know when you go to the deli and they put the first dollar laminated and then I moved a couple times and I just threw that in the garbage so maybe literal money throw it into the garbage maybe we can like make a fake one of those you know um so anyway i started in 2009 and i was supposed to start on a monday and that weekend my cousin died remember that that was that was the same weekend the last the last thing that john ever said to me we were on the phone and he was like i heard you got this job at barstool like he was, we were on the phone and he was like, I heard you got this job at Barstool. Like he was working on movies at the time and he was like, we're about to do like big time things.

You're going to go do this. And I'm making movies now. Literally the last words like, I was like, awesome dude. Like we got to go celebrate. Let's go have some drinks soon. Hung up the phone. He dies that weekend. And I called Dave and I was like, I know it's supposed to be like my first day

but like yeah ain't happening so i think if you want to get technical about it my true first day maybe i got like one in maybe i got like a little bit of writing in but my first day is almost probably a week from from that that's why because i was in europe yeah you had to like come home i just landed yeah i landed checked in and i was, and went back to the airport. I think I used Twitter to get at you, right? Yes. So it was like the first Twitter users ever because you were on that shit like way earlier. Yeah, because I was still fucking talking you into Twitter in 2009. I had it.

What do you mean still? Like how – Twitter was around what? In 07? I think it was 06. Yeah. I mean, fine. Three years. But like if you were on Twitter –

I was on in 07. I was talking to you about it for two years. Now you're addicted to it. If you were on Twitter from 06 to 09, you're a fucking loser. A fucking loser. True. You also had the first iPhone, and I remember getting it and looking at yours and being like, I don't get it. Yeah.

This is not that cool. I do. I don't even know why I did that, though. Cold takes exposed. I was like, this is not as cool as my Motorola Razr. I had that one that, not the Razr, but the one after that. The Sliver? Yes, I had the Sliver.

It had room for 100 songs. And I was like, this right here is the future. You didn't have a BlackBerry? I never did a BlackBerry. I went from Nextel to crazer uh this razor to sliver and then to iphone to iphone yeah yeah because i i like the um like bbm was like early i message poor bbm just got like face fucked yeah like it was just like the vcr and betamax it was just like one was pretty good and it just got i'll tell you what the what i like the

most about it was the real keyboard. And the little ball thing. The little ball in the middle, yeah. And then you dropped it, and the ball, like, burst out of the phone and rolled down the street. But, like, the iPhone keyboard still sucks. Hell yeah. Like, that's the worst. Why do they put the period right next to the space bar?

Every time I'm typing something in Google, it's just word dot word dot word dot because it's right by the fucking keyboard. That's very true. I didn't realize that. Just move it like half a millimeter away. And I can't remember what letter it is. I think it's like the B or the N is too close to backspace.

Yes, M. It's M. I end up deleting the letter that's before the M. So you're missing the M and you're also missing the letter that went before it in the word. And I'm just like, I don't even understand how I misspelled that. K, L, and M are right by the backspace and it just totally fucks you. Also, I like the predictive text, like the suggested words.

Yeah. You know? But then also, that's right by the send button. So, I've been sending messages that just have an extra yes tacked on to the end because i hit the yes and then send it and it's just like where are we going tonight question mark yes or it'll be like super confusing i'll be like no i don't want that yes fuck you apple when are you gonna start fucking with the um the swipe texting you know where you just slide your finger no no no no no no it seems like such a good idea and then you try it and it's just like

i am now in my mid-40s my mid-30s you cannot i you cannot teach an old dog new tricks i can barely do the touch screen as it is i i got the um it's the google keyboard that you like enable and it has that and i end up just tapping tapping out words anyway which is like the worst possible scenario because they they make like on that keyboard the letters are smaller so it's easier to swipe so it's harder you're just like it's harder to type why do you but i'm just like i i i want to start doing this but i just don't so i'm like i'm just like, I want to start doing the swipe, but I just don't. So I'm like, I'm just making it harder on everyone. I mean, that's just so counterintuitive. It's like dragging your finger to type is just stupid.

And people who use it act like they get it right 100% of the time. And they don't. No. And when you swipe wrong, you can get the complete wrong word. Yeah. When you type, you're going to get a misspelling, and autocorrect will probably get it. Oh, speaking of that. This is the real mail time. I've misspelled Barstool.

Beartool? No, B-A-R-S-R-O-O-L. Okay, yeah. And so now my phone just thinks that's a word. That's the rule? I just say Barstool to everybody. I get Beartool a lot. I don't know how I get that. Tonight, also, the I-G-H is all mixed up.

My phone just predicts that. Wait, so you've miss these words so so much that it just thinks it's a word it's like a name my phone does just correct to asshole now it's like you got a really nice ass hole oh boy it's hey it was right on that one my phone was it's very good he knows what he's doing in that department my phone was capitalizing just names all the time i think it has to do with your contacts yeah definitely and for some reason some of my contacts are in all caps and it would just be like oh well i certain things like like mets gets like capitalized idiot like like random words like like uh the mets is like it's because i'm usually going to motherfucking mets right it knows that i'm usually angry but yeah it'll it'll like it'll auto correct asshole it'll auto fill gape it's

just it knows what it's doing dude it's it's very smart in some some regards anyway we truly are in mail time mode if you are new to kfc radio mail time was the actually kfc radio was first we'll get into that but mail time once kfc radio became the voicemails and the Skype and Dan and John, I was like, we still need to have a traditional podcast where it's just a conversation for an hour. So that's what Mail Time was. It was the laziest hour of your day where we just shot the shit and talked about whatever. That's our cult classic hit. Not enough people knew it.

When it came time to uh decide what the future of the podcast were we just said case you're gonna get more downloads mail time's not doing enough it doesn't make sense to split our our resources so let's just go with kc radio that was the flavor of that month i was gonna say yeah we you know r.i.p mail time it it could have all been different had it been like six months earlier or later. But at that point, we decided you have to have one initiative and you can't do multiple shows. And now it's like I have three serious shows, two podcasts, a video of this. You know, the people that said all that are long gone.

All long gone. So Mail Time. They were like going to be in charge of everything for forever. Mail Time bit the dust. But the people who did like it love it and they're always like bring it back and all that shit so um and and the people who like it still will will say to this day that like it's the most relatable version of me and the best version of me and all that kind of bring out the best in you yeah i don't know about that um i certainly bring out

something different than John brings out. I tried to wedge some asshole talk in there. I got to keep the people happy. John's not here. We got some good producer camera reactions out of that. I did say the word gape, so we're good. Check the quota. Check the box. So, because it's my anniversary and John's out and we're doing a little mail time here.

Today, we'll do the top 10 moments of the past 10 years. 10 years a slave of Dave Portnoy. That's what we'll call this countdown. It is brought to you by Stitch Fix. Stitch Fix is perfect for the average guy like myself. I like clothes. I like clothes. I like fashion. I like to look good.

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Edelman's dips? It was late last week. We noticed it was gone. That's my favorite thing on the KFC Radio Wall of Fame. We think that there was a tour and somebody might have swiped it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So you think it's nefarious. You think it's gone, gone.

I mean, I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're just going to have John fucking spit some dip into a pole and spring and put the label back on but knowing that the original is gone somebody's got edelman's dna oh we could frame him for murder maybe it was me maybe i fucking killed him maybe maybe maybe julian edelman fucking killed him are you sure i mean we haven't There's no sign of it. This is some bullshit. I'm trying to get John on the line right now. I want to hear his reaction.

No, he knows. Well, I want to just talk to him. Okay. So it was gone on, like, Friday? We noticed it... I think... Oh, we definitely... And I had just pointed it out. Somebody was in here, and I was like, you know, these are the things we got.

What a weird thing to take. No, I mean, it makes sense. If you're going to steal something from this wall, that's it. That was my favorite thing so far. It was like, that's what started the whole idea of like... I know, but you have a wall of stuff. Like, that's just a weird thing for another person to now have no that's why this is this is nefarious this is this is to this is not because like somebody wants that they want to not they want us to not have it maybe it was

edelman's people saying we can't have our dna out there mother who would they who did they put up to get to stealing it gotta be someone Patriots related. Anti-KFC. This is like a little barstool whodunit. Clue. Who stole Edelman's spit? Maybe Buddha Ben.

He's gone now, right? The man who's in the wind. Is he a Pats fan? I don't know. He never really liked me. Could be him. He gave everybody a parting gift but you. A gift?

Yeah. He made shirts for people. He had pictures framed. Wow. We had a nice. He was just the people he liked. We had a nice exchange. He was just doing nice things for us.

I wasn't here on his last day, and I texted him. I said thank you for – he elevated the level of production at Barstool, and I told him I'm here for life, so I appreciate anybody who leaves their mark on Barstool. And everyone always talked about Buddha Ben's video skills and shit, so I was like, thanks for that. We had a very good conversation. So maybe he hates me a little less now, but he hated me, no doubt. He didn't hate you. He got mad. I didn't put him on kicks in the office.

Right. Once. And that was like three years ago. Well, people grudge hard around here. Um, shout out to Buddha, Ben,

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slash KFC get 25% off your first box. When you keep all the items sent your way. All right, we'll kick things off 10 years, 10 moments in Barstool, New York history, KFC history, good, bad, ugly, whatever. I got to begin with the battle with the blindos, which totally set the tone unknowingly. Like, I didn't know what kind of blogger I really was at that point. For sure not. I had done for like maybe like eight months, nine months. It was a quick stint in the minors before before Barstool New York came and a lot of it was kind of like mimicked after the Barstool style a lot of it was like a lot of the original stuff I wrote

was more nostalgic and for like 90s kids growing up but I definitely didn't nobody knew about for sure not nobody interacted with it so it's just like my thoughts the blindos was the first time i wrote something that garnered a reaction that was very like negative do we know when like how pretty quick to it was pretty quick i remember the first controversial thing i did was uh there was a video of a special needs kid in a wheelchair that scored a touchdown they let they handed the ball off to him like he was the motherfucking running back and he wheeled himself in electronically into the end zone it's a great feel-good story and i said that's fucking cheating you're not allowed to have uh electric wheelchair on the goddamn football field and that even then in 2009 people were like this is fucked up dude

this is fucked up and way before pc culture way before it i was pissing i pissed people off because a lot of people were that was just a cute moment and i was like fuck this kid fuck him fuck his disability that's when everyone took this kid kfc had a black black heart black heart it's also funny because that was like pre i gotta adjust my i gotta adjust my list here That was pre-Combine When I could be like I would Fucking roast I was You know

I'll knock this kid The fuck out I'm faster than this guy I'm better than this guy That dude was probably More athletic than me That was BC before Combine Your whole life

The BC era Yeah So That was the first Controversial thing I did And then the Blindo thing I fucking stand By that shit man

If you If you're on you, if you're on Barstool Gold, you've probably watched the doc and I believe I've talked about this, but there was a story about a baby being born with two blind ass parents. And in my blog, I just was like, uh, and, and the state was like taking the baby away. And I was like, I get it, man. I kind of understand it. Now I became a parent since then, and I think taking a child away from any of its parents is a horrible, horrible thing. Trust me. I almost have to know literally.

But I also, if nobody can see what's going on, what do you do? I turn my back for one second, and he's got a knife in his hand he's trying to play with this stove he's drinking hand sanitizer all right all right we don't want off this hypothetically could fall down the stairs running the street and you can never see them do you just keep a leash on them at all by the way i'm really coming around on the children leashes really come around i used toashes. Really coming around. I used to just think Asians were crazy for doing that. And I used to think they're just lazy parents.

They're innovative. I mean. They're ahead of their time. I mean. Do you know how much I could use that? I mean, like, you yank the kid by the hand all the time. All the time. It's just like, hold my hand.

It's just like, I mean, come on. It gives them a little. You also could do like a Hannibal Lecter thing. Josh Wolf used to take his kids and he used to put them on a leash and tie them to a central location so that they couldn't reach each other. I thought you meant the, um, like the girney. The mask thing? That too.

No, I thought you meant rolling them around on a gurney. The straight jacket and the gurney with the mask that they can't bite things. That too. A kid's straight jacket. Now that, now we're. Well, let's swaddle him. Yeah. But I mean like. Swaddle him like let's swaddle it yeah but i mean like

then is good but like now when they're running around like maniacs i feel like if i could just wrap them up down josh wolf was a single dad but three kids in like a tiny apartment in hollywood and he used to put them all on leashes hannibal lecter style so they couldn't reach each other like they could sprint at each other and they would like they would get nose to nose but they couldn't reach each other a couple of rottwe wilders yeah like they just couldn't reach the oven they just couldn't reach the window uh leashes for humans big time in on them big time in um but i'm just saying you can't take the kid away from them but there's got to be like a third party involved you got to have like a nanny that can see or something. I feel like something also probably happened.

Like, I don't think the state just like went around knocking on doors and was like, hey, you're blind. We got to take these. It's like, well, you know. Yeah, you know, your kid like set himself on fire because nobody could see what's going on. So we got to take, we got to figure this out. And boy, the blinds were not happy. The blinders. It's funny.

Like, I'm such an asshole that I call people like the fats or the deaths. It started out as blinds and blinders that I call people the fats or the deaths. It started out as blinds and blinders. In the original blog, I don't think I ever said blindo. I think it just morphed into that. But it was the first time that there was a million comments on one of my blogs from blind people being like, I hope your eyeballs get ripped out. I hope you die and burn in hell, which is always so funny to me.

You're so insensitive. I hope you fucking rot to death. I'm like, oh, that's a little bit hypocritical now isn't it you know so uh that was the first time i took like all the comments and created a reaction blog and that's where i famously uh i said that they ride their their seeing eye dogs they took that very literally. We do not ride the dogs. They guide us. It's not ride dog. It's guide dog. It's like, nah, nah, nah, man. You ride that shit. Like the squirrel who rides the dog during the minor league baseball fucking like seventh inning stretch. That's you

guys fucking giddy up riding your dogs to work. I told them, I said straight up, I will, you guys can have kids and I will shut my mouth if you can walk into a grocery store and find a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Do that on your own. Find a box. Get the box.

Pay for the box. Walk out successfully, and I will shut the fuck up. And you know what their response was? We just have people who assist us. Well, then you can't do it. How would you find a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch? You can't do it how would you find the box of cinnamon toast crunch you can't do it you can't because even if you found the cereal box aisle all the boxes feel the same there's no way to find it no braille right someone no braille so you need someone to yeah i mean what unless unless maybe i'm not looking close enough are there is

there just braille all over the grocery store i don don't think so. I don't think so. If you need assistance to find a goddamn box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch, you probably need assistance to raise a kid. I mean, I need assistance to raise a kid. I got all my senses. All five of them. Can't do it. God, if I was blind, I'd be welcome in the state. I'd be like, please, thank you,

thank you, just give me some help. You get so much sympathy when you're blind you do and there's nothing better than sympathy hello i love me some sympathy it's like the ultimate male time's like well oh he can't do that he's like depressed he's blind he's injured whatever i'm like this is great uh so that was the first the first moment of in Barstool, New York history that I think really set the tone where it was like, we are not here to fuck around. I do not give a shit. And then what people seem to love the most is I said, I don't even know how you guys are commenting on a computer. I don't know how you're reading my blog. I don't know how you're typing this out. And they all said that they use like a text to talk sort of thing, which back in 09 probably sucked.

But they they you know, they were able to translate the writing so that it would speak out loud. So I just then started typing all my words completely jumbled enough that people with eyeballs could understand that. I said something like, here's a completely misspelled sentence. I think they have eyeballs. Huh? I think they have eyeballs. Well, they're not functioning. It's like, you know,

if you're impotent, you have a dick, but if you, you know, you can't use it, is it really, do you even have it then? If a tree falls in the forest sort of thing, you have eyeballs

and they don't work. What's even the point? Just take those things out. I said, here's a completely misspelled sentence. Good luck reading this with your robots,

you blind motherfuckers or something like that. And the people with sight just loved it. I mean, it was still to this day, you know, and, and the,

the battle list goes on and on from there. I fought with the Hondurans cause we lost it in the early days. Did you like check in with Dave about that? Or was it just like everybody knew that fine and nobody was worried about it. That one, I think I was pretty cool with, uh, I mean,

I know Dave was ultimately fine with it, but did you even like need to check in no we for about a week he we saved drafts and he like edited us more or less just like he didn't literally edit anything we wrote he just like this is funny this is not funny publish this don't publish that um but i always kind of had i think that was k marco was coming from like he hadn't really – he had a music blog and he was a funny dude. But I had been blogging, so he knew that I was just like, just go. Whereas I think Keith was a little more like figuring out how to like do the smut blogging. So I think I had free reign. The only things that ever gave me pause were like could I be sued for something, which is funny because I got sued all the time.

Many times. I should have paused a lot more often. But maybe you would have gotten sued even more we probably lost some of those lawsuits i gotta adjust the list again this is gonna be like the top 12 or 13 moments of uh of of the 10 years because as i talk out loud um there's well i don't know if we need to rehash all the lawsuits let's do it let's fucking do it so i went on to battle the hondurans we lost to them in soccer i said how do we lose to honduras and soccer they don't even have food there honduras did not like that i went to war with the real life superheroes

the people who run around town actually pretending to be superheroes that was when facebook was hot that was like now all of our material comes from twitter all of our banter this i went to like a real life superhero facebook group and they were talking about me dark guardian was his name yeah this dude ran around town pretending to be a guy named dark this is interesting because that must have been the really early days of mcu like iron man one probably just dropped right yeah well no yeah superheroes were not cool but the movies i think like they had come out so they had inspired these are like the the really really nerdiest nerds who are like i'm i'm getting in on this and this shit my favorite thing about being this deep in the blog game now is everything kind of comes back

around again there was one guy i think his name was phoenix jones felix jones some of that he like murdered a dude and they were like they're like you can't do this like you can't run around town he did something bad and it was like uh you're not a superhero you can't like go around assaulting people or some shit like that and i was like i know i know fuck these weirdos like if you're running around town pretending to be a superhero you are mentally unfit dude put that guy in a straitjacket i battled with the bahamas later and my i mean i battled with everybody but that first one with the blind people that set the tone and i never planned on being like an adversarial blogger, but I did see the reaction it garnered and I realized how much fun it is to get under people's skin. So I guess

that's where it all began. So yeah, that, that set the tone for Barstool, New York. The second moment, well, we didn't do our launch party until May of the following year. So, like, May 2010 was our launch party, even though we started August 2009. It just took a while to, like, build up enough of a fan base and get bars interested and plan the whole thing. So, we went to Johnny Utah's, which, if you're from New York, you know, is, like, just the most bridge and tunnel type of spot. It's got a mechanical bull in the middle of Manhattan. Like, that's not what people – The only mechanical bull in Manhattan. Yeah yeah and they'll let you know and it was like in a fucking downstairs in that basement but i wanted everyone to have zero reception

yep no reception at all but i mean i'm knocking it i'm making fun of it but it served well it was like a great party great party dave was there uh at the time renee was there we had and we hired do you remember the model company we hired so at that point Barstool New York smoke shows Barstool New York smoke shows I forgot about a force to be reckoned with like I said to John the other day on the podcast it like Barstool New York smoke shows changed my life, changed my outlook of the world. Cause I didn't know girls could be as hot as they were. I knew like Hollywood girls could be as hot, but regular ass chicks,

not regular. Let's be honest. These girls went on to be like, these, these are the girls who are flying around in Dubai now. Cause of Instagram. But at the time, these were the Instagram models before Instagram blew up.

It was just Facebook page. And it was just like, these girls are the only, the only girl who ever, there was a amber stratton remember her yeah laurel jones she won like college humor hottest girl in college wherever and uh well it was melissa midwest but she went to be a porn star but there was a you knew like you knew of individual names of girls that were like so hot they stood out on the internet somehow

yeah and then i just realized there's millions of them like they're all over the place and it was like i remember going back like uh going back to like a high school night out and be like like this girl this is the girl i used to like fawn over you wouldn't even make the like wait list for the boston new york smoke show bro um so we it was one girl i think her name was nicole and i wanted to get smoke shows out to the party and she was like, yeah, like I'll come. I'm, I'm like repped by an agency and we will, uh, it was like a promotion agent. It's like a promo. It should have worked perfect for this.

It was like, we'll send you like 15 girls or some shit like that. And the dude who ran it, I think his name was Barry. He was just, seems like a Barry quintessential sle sleazeball like you could tell he's just like some dude who was like i'll round up the hot girls and like pay them nothing and i get to like roll with hot chicks and make a little bit of money and i remember like the the girl showed up like there was like one smoke that like we wanted she was like well known you know and uh she like she had she couldn't like wear the shirt yeah she like wore the shirt over oh she wore a romper that's what it was i was like can you like pop the top off and just

put this one on and tie it up and she was like i can't then i won't have any pants on because it was all one piece right so i was like but we definitely said like we want you to wear barstool new york shirt and she just didn't yeah and she's like i wore an outfit that i absolutely could not do that which look in hindsight she probably was like yeah i'm not wearing your shit and in hindsight i should have been like i don't fucking care like just be a hot girl here i don't have to wear my t-shirt what was i thinking but she ended up wearing a t-shirt over a romper and i was like do you want to ride the bull and she was like not really like the whole thing was such a fucking mess they came in they like mingled for like 30 minutes and they just sat down and but you know what like drank that's what you want i don't need like girls like working

a party it's just like i need girls at the party i don't know what we really just needed we were worried about everybody saying it's a sausage fest right and i mean it wasn't though and that was so like a week earlier i was at the frying pan i don't know if that's even still like yeah i mean i'm sure it's a thing but i don't know if it's as popular it's just like barge on the hudson river that people like to go drink on because it's on the water and me and my best friend are on the barge and we see these two smokes this is this was the greatest heist i ever fucking pulled it was this beautiful chick named heather and her friend who we referred to as dino because she looked like a dinosaur she was huge she was like 11 feet tall and my boy is like good looking gift of gab tons of game and he's talking to this rocket and I'm like all right whatever I'll talk to dinosaur over here and

he goes to the bathroom at one point and I don't know what happened but in the time he went to the bathroom and came back his girl she just like totally switched gears and turned towards me and i was like i was like you've gotten enough bro like fuck you this is my time you're a good friend no i wouldn't do that person you know who i'm talking about i do he he he was thriving bro he could break he's still thriving. He could break me off. He's still thriving. Yes. He could break me off a couple crumbs. You know what I mean? Like lob your boy one time. You know?

Like let me. Like I'm out here just dishing assists. Like let me put up 35 one night. Please. Come on. Share the ball. And he came back and he was like, you motherfucker. And I was like, I don't want to hear it.

I don't want to hear it. I was like, do you remember what you did last weekend? The weekend before? Two Thursdays ago? I don't want to fucking hear it. So this rocket ship is is kind of into me. Probably the first time a knockout was showing any interest in me. And I remember by the end of – I won't get into too many details.

But anyway, I was like, do you want to come to this party we're throwing? It's at Johnny Utah's. And she was kind of like, yeah, I don't know, whatever. Not that interested. But I convinced her to come. And I walk in there. And it was the first time that it was like pictures and handshakes and all that shit. And she was like, what is this?

And I was like, yeah, I told you we're throwing a party. She was like, I thought it was like a birthday party. I was like, oh, no, girl, you know. You know. You know. It was just like me and like 700 people. We packed the bar that night and uh um oh and i uh yeah i couldn't get my penis hard that night i was too drunk but all right but

the the appeal was actually if to go into full detail dinosaur showed up and my boy was like no no no that was a one day only thing like i am not riding for this again so mid-party i took that girl back to my apartment and it was taking too long did not get going accomplish anything right well double whammy though it was taking too long to like get going because of my fault and then as that happened dino called up and was like all upset that like my boy wasn't talking to her and she was like i have to go i have to go back and like get my friend and at that point i was like well this ain't happening anyway so i actually left the launch party mid-party and came back people like where were you and i was like

i was having sex and i wasn't but i like was you know it was a great party it was a good time it was the first of many to come we ended up doing maybe we did mad river bartending contest what a racket that was it was just like i'm just to go hang out with the hottest bartenders of all time. We did the truck bombs. Every single Thursday night. What's that? Truck bombs. That was a good one.

Tin Lizzy. Tin Lizzy truck bombs. We did a competition. That might have ended Tin Lizzy. Oh, man. No, that was when Tin Lizzy was thriving. Thriving. I went back there the other day to the supply house now, and it's all like a craft beer,

nice place. And I'm looking around. I can still see the layout. They reversed it. now, and it's all like a craft beer, a nice place. And I'm looking around. I can still see like the layout. They like reversed it, but I'm like, yep, threw up over there, like smashed a bottle over there. I wonder what the Tin Lizzy's are now. Like where like there's like the hole in the wall spots. Because now it's just like, you know, like you hear like the young crowd here, but they're cool barstool people, and they go to like nice places. It's like where are like are like disgusting 24 year olds who

are wearing like blue shirts and khakis let me know drink yes their pain the the here's what i want to know the bar where blue shirts khakis with a backpack and you probably change into sneakers because you're you don't want to walk around in your dress remember that move like i couldn't possibly have my toes like be, be uncomfortable for a night. I got to put on my white, like, tennis shoes. My white fucking basketball sneakers with my khakis. That is what I want to know. What was that place that was more midtown?

It was just free for an hour. Remember that? Shit. Yeah, not Tammany Hall. No. Black uh blackfin no but that's another one blackfin did a promotion for a while where it was just like open bar just come show up drink the good old days man like we used to drink in on like second avenue in the 50s i don't think i don't know if there's like i mean like i think turtle bay is still there, but there was like 15 bars there. Turtle Bay caught that rape case.

That was tough. Turtle Bay went through a dark period of time. Turtle Bay, not a great place. God, all those bars. Sutton Place was like the fancy one. I'm sure that place sucks. In my mind, Sutton Place was like where the hottest, most expensive ballers went. I remember complaining about like $8 beers.

Yeah, that's just fucking par for the course, man. Yeah, there was there was some good old drinking spots there but mad river we don't have to do many parties but that that johnny utah's one was uh was something which i guess brings us to around like bro show days right probably like 11 2011 ish seems right 12 ish bro show is what became the rundown right right so the bro show stupidest name ever uh the idea was we're gonna do a rundown portion of the show plus like a guest preferably an athlete and then do like a physical challenge with them and i think that was maybe the first one was the combine it got to be early i don't know if it was i think it was the first one because we had McShay lined up.

We did the rundown portion from Dave's old apartment. We had Gracie Tracy there being the host, lobbing us questions. I remember Gracie Tracy did the wobble, and everybody in the room, particularly our guest, was like, whoa, what the fuck was that? And then we did the combine. And the combine, like you said, there's BC and AC, like before combine and after combine. The combine changed absolutely everything. And it was like, it was a precarious moment for me because I didn't know like what was going to happen. Because up until that point, like I said, every time we're talking about sports, every time we're blogging about other people, it was all like, like, fuck this guy. I can, I can beat this guy in that I'm buddy. I'm better

than this guy in that. Like, cause I, and I actually, a lot of that was just like bravado. But by that point, I, I mean, I just hadn't done anything for a long time. So in my mind, like the last thing I did after like fucking up my shoulder and everything was like, I was playing basketball in high school and then we were doing intramural basketball and intramural softball. And I was i was like fine like normal at all those things so i was a kid who grew up playing sports was pretty good at it for like the level and like the the league we were in and so i'm like yeah when i talk when i talk sports i'll talk shit about you i'll say that i can beat you i'm confident i'm arrogant like we're fucking around i hadn't been

put to the test at all so along comes the combine and. And I'm like, you know, I know that I've had multiple surgeries. I know that I am out of shape and that I haven't done anything. I did not know that my body had like not even atrophied. What's the word when your body like it's like rigor mortis had set in. Like my like limbs and body like couldn't move anymore. Like I didn't realize that like I used to when we at basketball practice, when we were on suicides, I would be I would be be first like i would beat everyone in the team in suicides and then it was like the three cone drill was like run get down run get down i like bent down i was like oh no

this feels very different like this is not what it used to be so i went into the rundown being like i'm not gonna fucking win this thing by any means i'm not strong i was i was worried about lifting and shit but i was like i don't know like sprints and jumping like i could do that kind of like i used to be able to jump pretty well and then as soon as we like started i was like oh it would have been all right to be beat by dan that was like crossfit dan yeah yeah um and beat by dave that'd be fine if you were just like slightly slower than them yeah the problem was just like how it literally looked on camera. Right. And how McShay was just like confused about what was happening.

I also like, you know, they showed up in cleats and I didn't do that. So I was like slipping all over the, all over the field and the, not like I would win if I had cleats by any means, but it looked so bad and I kind of gave up cause I was like, well, I'm not going to win this thing. And the broad jump, I think I had fallen. And then the, the 40 was whatever. The 40 was funny cause I went first and it was like i think i got like six seconds and i was like not that bad i don't know you know uh i was like yeah like i broke six you know and i was like oh no

that's actually terrible dude so but that was uh that was different i mean that was like i was worried at that point because i was like what now like everyone you know because the amount of stools at that point who were like, you're a fucking narp. You don't deserve to ever talk about sports anymore and all that. You look around now and it's like, I don't know. We got fat people. We got unathletic people. We got people who never played sports.

We got everything under the sun. But by that point, we were still very much the stereotypical bar stool guy. We play sports and we drink beer and we like chicks and all of a sudden to have that be like exposed i was kind of nervous i was like i don't know what to do but that was also the first time i ever got a taste of like the barstool combine video was funny and was memorable and shit because of me and now for the wrong reasons don't get me wrong that's like a you know uh spin zone but i was like there is something here of like that's getting views that's getting chatter it's funny because it's at my expense which obviously you don't want but good to know that when something that was the first time i learned there's no such thing

as like bad publicity there's no such thing as like bad publicity. There's no such thing as like when bad things happen, that's just blog material. And let me tell you something, looking back on 2019, good lesson to learn because like a lot of bad stuff was about to happen throughout the years. And it was like, well, that's always going to be a blog that people want to click. That's going to be a video that people are going to want to watch. That's a reason why they're going to follow. So it came at my expense and it was definitely like a touch and go situation. It was like, can I even critique sports anymore? Can I be critical anymore?

I'm sure I legitimately lost readers or fans or any of the hard-Os that now, you never would have liked my brand to begin with. But at the time, I remember having conversations with you, being like, what do I say here? How do I control this? Do I lean into it? Do I just own up to it? And luckily, this is just a precursor of all sorts of other stuff

to go wrong where we're just like yeah we can't control it no you just have to be who you are and do what you do right and then i mean it's kind of imposterous to think that like you have to be really good at sports to talk about sports like look at the landscape i know but every single person at that point it really was like it was you know like the credibility issue you know what i mean it was like and then that's why it's still to this day when i tell people like i was the captain of my basketball team a very bad one but i was the captain of it and like i played i was like hitting bombs in little league and shit like that people are like what it's just like a completely foreign concept to it but the combine was for sure a uh a a marker in history then uh i'd say that brings us to i can't i don't know if we know what's first the blackout tour or podcasts

i want to say probably the blackout tour like the infancy of the blackout tour they probably kind of all overlapped but it was like 2011 probably for the blackout, 2012 for KFC Radio. If I had to guess a year, I would have guessed 2011, but you know, like 2011, 2013 are completely interchangeable. It had to be the blackout tour because things were going bad. We tried to expand. We did expand. We had expanded into Philly. We had expanded into Barstool U, and I guess I probably was starting to go full-time.

So all those things kind of happened around the same time. And this is another story I've told many times, but I was working as an accountant and we expanded to Philly and then we expanded to Barstool U. K. Marco needed to run Barstool U full-time. We originally decided that we were going to crowdsource college writers

and actually we used to write under aliases keith used to write under brick noonan from wisconsin dave had a couple aliases elias lii i don't know aliases so we realized that that was not going to work we realized people aren't funny enough and that keith needed to write his own website full-time which meant that now barstoolool New York could no longer be split between me and Keith. And Dave was like, you need to go full-time. Well, that was, or we tried Manzo for a minute, right? Well, so he was like, you need to go full-time. And I was like, I don't know, man, making good money over here. I need the benefits. Like I have surgeries to worry about. Like I don't, you don't have health insurance. Like really don't think I'm in a spot to to do this.

So he hired his old buddy Manzo, one of the original newspaper writers to run to take Keith's spot on Barstool, New York. Like right as that happened, shit goes in a tank at Deloitte. And then I was like, hey, about that, like, I'm actually ready now, you know what I mean? Which was fucked and like Manzo was great. He just It was a new era. It was a new style of writing. New everything. And infamously, he was not really up to par with the Derek Jeter 3,000 hits thing. He was on a boat. So it didn't work out for Manzo. And by that point, I now was ready to make the jump because Deloitte was like, Yeah, this ain't fucking working.

You're gone. Gas, he gone. So I'm going full time. We have these new sites and shit's not going good feidelberg's working for free at this point dave can't even continue to pay him the like 400 or 500 a month like we can't keep the lights on type shit so why not buy like a bus full of like electro dave went all in the edm craze was here like avicii was just coming out molly was everywhere and dave went all in on this electronic dance music craze he bought the black lights the fog machines the setup the truck i remember it here like i think you explained it

to me over gchat maybe sent me a few links i think so i literally didn't understand and i was like well this was nice while it lasted yeah i was like this i don't know about this at all i i will say this i i think a lot of things me and dave differ a lot on like management styles and some ideas and stuff and i think on a more like day-to-day basis and some of the bigger picture stuff when it comes to content, I think I know what I'm talking about. A lot of the big like hits, I usually was like, I don't think this is going to work.

Right. So I've learned to just like shut the fuck up and trust Dave when it comes to that kind of stuff. Cause I would never in a million years, I think that's David was more in tune with what younger kids are doing, where I was like, I guess I still thought I was young. Kind of.

I was like, I don't like this shit, but I didn't realize that i was you know mid when you're like a generation there's a whole generation before me that is very much down with this like you were out of college you've been out of college for a while dude you don't know what you're talking about anymore so uh he went all in on that and it started out in frat basements and whatnot and uh then we hit like a a couple big spots all of a sudden that they pulled in like 250 000 in a night and it was all of a sudden like oh well now we're all rich like whatever let's fucking party i remember the moment for me the nokia theater i don't know if we ever ended

up doing it because i think eventually the police like shut us down everything but the nokia theater i think was supposed to like we're supposed supposed to do it in the middle of Times Square, and we were going to be up on a billboard sort of thing in the middle of Times Square. I remember telling that to my wife at the time. I was dressed as Darth Vader and a chicken suit. The stripper bachelorette bear. I remember the first one I went to. It was well underway, and it was at Irving Plaza.

And I came and I was impressed with all the lights and stuff like that. I was like, oh, this is, and it's all in sync. And the smoke would shoot out, fog machine or whatever. Dante Don kills it as a DJ. But I thought the onstage stuff was a little bit more organized. No. It was legit. It was Feidelberg just jumping and not being caught.

And Devlin waving a lightsaber. I thought they maybe had a routine or something like that. They had an opener. Yeah. And then the mix that Dante used to make, the one, all we do is fucking party. All we do is fucking. And then we did the fucking foam, which was the next level level which was just one gigantic fishbowl of stds like i remember girls telling me they almost watched people die like there was like foam people couldn't breathe people were having sex in

it it was a wild time that was actually the real true the smoke shows had always been a point of contention in my relationship and some of like the humor but when it was the blackout tour and girls were just fucking sluts and i was like yeah i'm gonna go to irving plaza like i gotta go on the road up to syracuse and like i mean we had avicii play a blackout tour he dj'd like the one of the first ones up in like syracuse i think it was like presented by like avicii and it was like right before levels like really popped off crazy shit perfect timing again the story of barstool will always be one of timing where it all like kind of came together at the right spot right time but i remember that was like i do not like this blackout tour thing and i was like yeah well it's the only thing paying the fucking rent right now so it is what it is um

and that's where like that's where feidelberg was able to get paid and we totally overextended ourselves eventually where like we thought this was Feidelberg was able to get paid. And we totally overextended ourselves eventually where like, we thought this was going to last every night. We started renting out places that were like 6,000 people venues and we could only fill, I think like the Dunkin' Donuts center. It was always a sweat. Like we've only sold a thousand tickets. We got to sell like 5,000 more. We were always promoting it and pushing it.

But that's where we also like, we learned Towson was like a crazy party school. Marist went so hard. The weirdest spots popped up as the best, biggest barstool markets. So that's now on to number four. The other thing that saved personally my career and launched a whole other branch of barstool was KFC Radio. And particularly the invention or the discovery, let's call it, of the Google voice number because you had been pushing me to do podcasts for a long time.

And I'm a sports radio weirdo. I love Mike and the Mad Dog. I love all that shit. But I also knew I was not good enough and I wasn't confident enough to just do like a one-man show. And we didn't have the capability to do call-ins. We didn't have a studio. So like what was the answer? And then you came to me and explained how people can call this google voice number leave a voicemail and then you can play the call

as if they were calling into the show and that's when you had been pushing me and i was like yeah yeah yeah yeah and i don't know if you remember but i remember hearing that and i was like let's go yeah that's it that's the one we can do that yeah we can make that happen because it's funny i mean i understand it now i understand you being like like, because it would be hard to do a one-man show right now, you know? And I guess maybe I thought it would sort of have been like mail time. Like I'd be there to just like prompt you with stuff. And I just get, but you were like, what would I talk about? And I'm like, you write 12 blogs a day.

Talk about that stuff. But you just didn't want to do it. And much like still right now, when you guys don't want to do something, I'm like, okay. Just remember. Let it also was like. And much like still right now when you guys don't want to do something, I'm like, okay. Just remember. Let's wait six months. Yes, you do. Because you can't force people to do things when they don't want to do it.

And also, you can't force, like, I need you guys to be good at it. Yeah. And you're not like actors. Like, you know, actors get a role in a terrible, terrible show and they're just like, I mean, I'll just read the lines. Like, I don't know how to make this good, but you're going to pay me to read these lines. I'll do it. I need you guys to be like comfortable so I can't push anything too early. Yeah, because when an actor does something bad, it's like, well, that was my character.

If we do something that comes off unlikable, it's like people don't like us now. Right, right, right. You know? And this is also pre, like everyone has a podcast now, and everyone listens to anything to get through the day. Right. I used to, if I was listening to someone, it was Mike Francesa. It was like the only people who are broadcasting are worth it and know it and are professionals

now it's like whatever just babble and you're fine but at that point i was like i need i need something to get me there so we do the google voice number and do you ever think about like what if we put it out at a different time and a different group of people were the first like 50 messages like we put it out at night and everyone called when they were drunk and high and we got dumb hypotheticals what if it was like the middle of the day and someone called up and was just like like who are you voting for this week you know what i mean like oh yeah i didn't think about the timing of which we released it but i mean like we got so many dumb questions i was like these are our people and i think they would have been our people no matter what no matter what you're right probably we're gonna get those

questions no matter what but the fact that like the first question was like who would win in a in a race a cheetah or warren sap it was like okay i'll do this not realizing that it was actually like molding an entire fucking career to come of like stupid hypotheticals i mean without without like the the rollerblade and midget question is there an ati i don't know right like i doesn't bella had danger i didn't four million views like i don't give a fuck about those hypothetical now i do now i think they're hilarious i love to take them serious i love to think them through i think some people view hypotheticals as like a crutch when it comes to content i view it as like can you be creative enough do you have an imagination are you funny

enough to relax and just let your hair down and bullshit about dumb things yeah are you uptight but at the time i was like whatever these people are going to ask me on this voicemail box i will answer it's funny because there's a lot of dumb questions that have just like circulated around the internet well that's the forever the horse-sized duck and duck-sized horses right people thought that we some people thought that we invented that right a hundred horse side one horse-sized duck or a hundred duck-sized horses. And I mean, like, I had seen that. I mean, was Reddit around then? Yeah, Reddit's that.

I feel like it was Reddit. That's where that stuff comes from. You know, message boards. And then everybody thought that was us. They were like, oh, these people, Scott Van Pelt stole your question. Right. No, no, no. We stole that question.

But we didn't. Some things are just, that's why Answer the Internet exists. Some things just come from the World Wide Web. Right. Because we didn't feel it that's why answer the internet exists some things just come from the worldwide web right because we didn't hear it on a specific show and i don't even know if that was a usually a message board thing i think that was like a yeah like a message i don't know if we just like read that question out loud or somebody submitted it on twitter or something or email or something like that was the birth of it all though but like it's like obviously like some of these questions have percolated on the internet for a reason. But we just, like, kind of put them all together.

And I'm sure there was other shows that were doing hypotheticals. No doubt. But we just, like, it was so heavily involved. And we just did it so early and for so many years that that's become our hallmark. The Boston people were saying, oh, so the Weiner line? And I guess, like, up in Boston there's a radio show that plays voicemails. And it's just like, yeah, I mean, like we're not inventing anything here. It was just, it was like, it was a get around.

It was like, we can't, there's no one else to talk to right now. You know, there was no other bloggers. And you did like 20 episodes basically on your own. I think you did a few close. And I used to do like 30 voicemails an episode. Now we do like four because we're like conversationalists and we keep talking. But I would just be like, yes, no, maybe, girl, boy, like whatever the answer was, like keep it moving. But I think I did like 18 episodes before John popped on.

And John Skypes in, Google Hangouts in, does the clowns or magicians question. That was great. No, it was just like if you wipe one group off the face of the earth, magicians. Big Cat comes on board. And for a while he was like too afraid to show his face so what we used to just like he did a um he called in on the phone right within the first 20 episodes right and i think it was just a question of like i i don't think i had seen what he looked like at that point and i was like black i thought he was black oh yeah yeah and and i was just like such great shape it's so funny now

to think of his brand but like he was like a crossfit like ripped up dude i remember him being like no i'm gonna stay in shape i'll be in shape like as a blogger everybody think that everybody bites the dust bro so the when he first called in i just was like i can put a graphic up and i think i put like andres galarraga yeah yeah yeah then, but then from there, I mean like the first episode he did, he showed, he showed his face. Yeah. Once he,

once he like committed to, uh, to the, I think he saw John do it and he was just like, oh, all right, this is cool. It works.

And at that point it was like, you know, 200 people watching whatever. I mean, we did Google hangouts and then there was a moment where like maybe a year or so in, there was like a summer where a summertime where like he was away, I was away and we missed like two or three weeks in a row. Yeah. And I remember being like, this is the moment here where like either this just dies and it was like a summer, a summertime where like he was away, I was away, and we missed like two or three weeks in a row. Yeah.

And I remember being like, this is the moment here where like either this just dies and it was like something we tried or we like recommit to it. Wow, yeah. And everybody kind of like recommitted to it. And I was like, we have to do this every week. But I was on the verge of being like, I don't know. These are kind of like a hassle. It was once a week. One time per week. But, you you know it was like people asked me about

advice and stuff like that i'm like we were getting no money and no credit like nobody even i mean like we were getting maybe some positive feedback hindsight fans but that's that he always thought it was just our hobby like we were just doing a little thing on the side for fun right that's what it was being viewed as when we'll get to the turn of the acquisition. But you can take any hobby that you stick with hard enough. You can make money at. No doubt. I mean, this all came together, but it really was we had to just keep doing it despite everybody being like, what the fuck are you doing this for? Right.

And it was one of those things like the people who did like it really liked it. It just wasn't reaching the masses yet. Jay Cutler comes on the show, sits with us for 60 minutes and people like wait something's going on here to think like even that jay cutler just read the blog or did he listen to the pod like jay cutler listening to the podcast in like 2012 that like his career was a little rocky and things went south but like jay cutler used to tell me he was like he was this back when he's on twitter he was like move to chicago like please come be the chicago blogger like i need a guy in my town who does barstool yeah he was a diehard he was like move to Chicago. Like please come be the Chicago blogger. Like I need a guy in my town who does Barstool. He was a diehard.

He was like – I mean he agreed to do KC Radio only if Dave wouldn't do it. He was like I'm not going to give Dave the credit for like – he knew it. He was like a major quarterback coming on your show. It has to just be you guys. And me and Dan had to scheme and scam away to tell Dave. We were like oh like i don't even know what we said i think we tried to originally plan it like on a time that dave wouldn't be around and then i think we kind of said something like hey it'll be funny if you're

not on it and he was like fuck that i think eventually we just had to be like he's we're doing it like without you at that point that was scary it was like that was our biggest probably athlete like get like ever and dave was intentionally to be removed from it i was like uh you tell him that jay i'm not fucking saying that to my boss but even that like you know we we i you know we never popped on that like now if we did something that happened now like the jay color quotes would be everywhere right i mean think about if a quarterback just did a no-name podcast for an hour and was talking like hypotheticals like we were like it would be massive but back then it just the virality of everything didn't really exist so i don't know we um it was our little hobby on the side which

ended up being like the main reason why the churnin group acquires us but before the churnin group happened the infamous tico texas rap battle happened and that to this day i still think is the most like dynamic moment in barstool history the fact that me and dave of all people were just like all right we're gonna make songs too and they were either good enough or funny enough that people were down with them that was wild so like i make fun of and then it also lets you know like it also reminds me of like why you just got to like tweet and blog and say shit because you just never know what's going to happen ariana grande was my wife at the time's favorite artist i had had been to an Ariana Grande concert as a 30-year-old man,

drunk with her, with teeny boppers running around. I was an Ariana Grande stan for the fact, for the storyline of, we're an Ariana household here. My wife loves her. She breaks up with Big Sean, and I was like, good riddance.

Big Sean, you're a fucking nobody. Ariana Grande's going on to bigger and better things because you're just a little midget nobody rapper. Meanwhile, big sean i loved his music his his shit like in that era that 2012 ish time was like so fucking good but i was like whatever committed to the bit and tico texas some hood rat fucking nobody from houston slash la slash wherever else she was making up being alive uh she got and god bless bless her we had a back and forth on twitter and that to me was like all right i'm gonna screenshot these tweets i'm gonna put them in a blog that's gonna be my content and she saw she knew yeah she knew she had a shot at some

exposure and she makes her rap battle uh numbers never lie which had a dope beat and a great hook she was a god awful rapper terrible but the hook and the beat was so fire. And I was like, I think I'm going to make a rap record. She was such a bad rapper. I am blown away by her confidence. I'm like, you are something special just in terms of how good you think you are. Do you remember getting naked in the Target because she needed a webcam and she didn't have one at home?

She was just using the demo computer to call into the rundown. of how good you think you are. Do you remember getting naked in the Target because she needed a webcam and she didn't have one at home? She was just using the demo computer to call into the rundown? It's ingenuity. Seriously, got to give her credit for that because she took it and ran with it. But I was like, I think I can rap a little bit. I started thinking of some rhymes. It's funny.

I feel like bloggers can kind of rap. We saw Nate be able to do it. Rowan obviously did rap first, but then can blog you're if you're thinking of jokes you can think of punch lines and if you have like basic rhymes you can figure out words to make make a rhyme work but i felt like costanza in the frogger episode of seinfeld like i can do this like i've been rapping in the shower i've been rapping at the red light i've been rapping in the shower. I've been rapping at the red light. I've been rapping in the car my whole life. I had a friend who could make good beats. And I start to do it.

And I was like, I think this kind of sounds good. I think some of these lines are pretty funny. I think this beat is very catchy. I think it's like a good pop song almost. And I think when that came out, I think people were very shocked by second round TKO. Where it was like, I think I want to listen to this like regularly. And then Dave took his, his time and the revisionist history on that battle is crazy. Like when,

when my, when our songs both came out, like nobody even listened to Dave's, it was like they pressed play and they were like, Oh, nevermind. And in his defense, he does have some funny punchlines in there.

And he had so much more ammo than me. I still, my, my, my rhymes were kind of like funny. There was a couple of lines. I wasn't going to cross with my boss. He obviously has the luxury of like funny there was a couple lines i wasn't going to cross with my boss he obviously has the luxury of like he can say whatever he wants the infamous blurred out line was like something about caitlin being pregnant because she guzzled down come

and i remember being like let's take that out like listen i know all's fair and love and warm and battle raps but like i have a pregnant wife at home please like let's let's just cool it with that um but the uh the reaction at first was like uh okay i guess kfc won that battle like not even a question and then dave like spun it years later still to this day we'll talk about raised page user eyes and uh people are like oh yeah he bodied you whatever but when it when it came out it was like it was just a song that people actually like to listen to it was wild uh i think a lot of people don't even know it now i forget that forget that there's like a whole new generation that could be a fan for like five years and not know well even like as i'm doing this episode i'm like this is probably pretty redundant for some people and for a lot of people it's probably not i mean there's

probably a lot of new fans who are like had no idea we did our fucking rap battle like made real original songs which you know obviously there's a ton of that now but like before pup punk there was uh young unsweetened white white zimando before uh you know the michael rapaport discs there was the the dave and kfc discs like all of a sudden i realized like we can kind of do anything music movies fucking tv whatever and that's why uh the churning boys got in the mix the churning All of a sudden, I realized, like, we can kind of do anything, music, movies, fucking TV, whatever. And that's why the churning boys got in the mix. The churning acquisition, the second half of the 10 year, 10 best moments in Barcelona, New York history brought to you by made in cookware made in our mission to manufacture the best kitchen tools by working with the best cookware makers. They use premium materials to make craft pots, pans, knives, carbon steel, and kitchen tools to complete the industry's best cookware.

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The Churnin' Boys come along and rob us blind. They buy us for fucking pennies on the dollar. Dave, you're never allowed to negotiate ever again. And to me, that's just like... Yeah know like they needed to get a good deal like they probably weren't out there looking to like buy something that i don't blame dave he put all the money like not all the money a lot of it went back to barstool but he put enough money in his pocket that he was like i'm fucking good whatever you know and uh yeah i'm sure we needed them i'm sure it was just like take it or leave it i mean dave's even said like if he had valued podcasts where he should have, he would have held out for more.

But it's just like, you don't know if they would have, they didn't want to buy something like valued correctly. They want to buy something undervalued so they can make a lot of money on it. I mean, shout out to Jared Lorenzen, rest in peace. He connects Mike Kearns to Dave. Mike Kearns has been like the one who kind of like connected all the pieces, all the dots. And that, that to me was like the huge legitimizing moment,

obviously. But that was where it was like, we're going to make it enough now. Like, I don't know whether we're going to sell this thing for a hundred million dollars. That's, you know,

what some people think certainly feels like we could be onto something big, but that's where I knew, like, this is now just a safe job. Like it could be onto something big but that's where i knew like this is now just a safe job like it could be a career yeah it could be a career now like there is enough here enough resources enough backing enough of a name i mean when i saw it like peter makes like monster movies like melissa mccarthy blockbusters and like saw his name and his power and it's like he's down with us like he was like oh what's up like to me uh okay let's fucking go and at the same exact time which i think we're on

like moment seven here this is now just a stream of consciousness the nlcs is happening and so it was like as we made it we're also like still idiots're going to hop on a bus and drive to these baseball games and still do exactly what Barstool does, which was good. I think some people were cautious about churning and whatnot. Or maybe it was right before. Whichever the timeline was, it was good that right as all that churning shit was going down or about to go down, we were still being very true to ourselves. Cubs-Mets?

Cubs-Mets. I saw it coming. I was like, oh, boy. If they get through the Dodgers, the Cubs are probably going to win the World Series. They're going to be there. And we're going to have a Mets-Cubs thing. Me, Dan, two Barstool cities. And I've got a pregnant wife at home.

Pretty fucking pregnant. She was born in December, so it's October. And, you know, obviously there was problems at home. So, like, at that point, things are tense with Barstool anyway. And now I'm like, peace. I got to go on the road. Right? Was that?

Yeah. I was confused that with Houston, the RV trip. Was that like? That was a couple years later, right? I mean, I know you guys were definitely out in Wrigley. You were like beating your chest in front of Dan's face. Yeah, yeah. That was 2015, right?

Yeah. The kids were born in 15. I remember there was two trips, and I think both times Caitlin was pregnant with either one of them, I believe it was. And it was like these couldn't – every big barstool thing has always come at like the worst timing for me personally. And that's probably why I am where i am today but like having to go on that rv trip when the mets were making a run like it should have been like the greatest moment of my life and i was like dreading it i was so nervous and anxious and juggling like trying to make her happy at home while trying to like perform for the camera and the mets just body bag the cubs four games and I'm just laughing in Dan's face.

That gif of me, like, I find him finding Kyle Schwarber, and he strikes out, and I fucking tackle in his face. That becomes a gif. Yelling yabbo to the people in the bleachers. Dave doing the shirts. He was a Cubs fan when the Cubs were winning. Takes off his shirt. He's a Mets fan when the Mets were winning.

And it just ends up being this rout, which was such a role reversal. I'm the loser. I've never won. Dan's the fan favorite. I'm the heel. And all of a sudden, the heel's winning. People were so mad at me. You don't have good sportsmanship. He wouldn't rub it in your face.

I was like, get the fuck out of here. I'm never going to experience this ever again. So I am soaking in. You were right. I mean, that was like the last good moment the Mets have ever had. Yep. Like completing that sweep. And you know what?

Me too. So probably karma, in a way, for being arrogant and obnoxious in his face. I remember I went home. We were done with the RV part of it for game four. And I get home and I walk into what Mike Vrabel would call the Viper pit. I learned from him, like when you're on the road and you got to go back home to your wife and she's mad, it's like, you're walking into a Viper pit. So I'm walking back in and Luke, I have to go pick up the pizza for dinner. And Lucas Duda hits like the home run

in game four. That's like, boom, we're up like four, nothing right away in the first inning or whatever it was. And I should be like celebrating like we're going to win the world. We're going to go to the World Series now. And I was like, I'm in so much trouble because of this fucking RV trip, man. But it was like that also that that was like the beginning of our coverage of sports games. And that led into next year, which was the first ever electric chair the wild card game of 2016 once churning has taken effect once we have moved we have the new office uh it's mets giants and i'm in the electric chair it's the first ever one i fucking made up the name electric chair by the way yeah that's me uh i made up the name rundown too but that name sucks but i was like let's just call

this the rundown but the electric chair was me and um other other people have had bigger moments i think we always looked at the number when because of the delay we saw like the spike in traffic oh yeah yeah dan did like 25 000 and then since then dave's done like hundreds of thousands but in the beginning i think it went to 11 000 people when connor gillespie hit the home run and it was i mean it kind of changed like everything in that moment i i remember i think you guys did you have your phones taken away or like you just wouldn't you had your phone i was like i'm looking i know and i remember like seeing that you reacted poorly and i was like fuck and i knew something was coming.

But what was funny is I was only – I don't think I was watching – I think I was just checking Twitter. I wasn't watching the updates. Right. Because I remember when – I think one of the forgotten plays of all time, I think Granderson made an amazing catch, right? And it's just like nobody – that would have been an Andy Chavez catch. A thousand percent. He smashed into the wall on and i i just you know so i'm just checking twitter and i just see grandy grandy grandy oh my god grandy so i'm just yelling grandy and i don't even know what's about to happen i see the hit and i'm like oh my god what's what's going on here and that was

a cool like we got to like see it unfold and then i forget how gillespie really unfolded but i was just like very negative very negative and then we see the spike and then i forget how gillespie really unfolded but i was just like very negative very negative and then we see the spike and it's just like what what's about to happen here that was uh made fun i said he's not even dominican i said he's the type of guy who you know oh he fucked your mom i don't i blocked out there in that rant but everybody loved it the pictures of me like the screenshots of me still circulate to this day and it was like oh like there's real value in this like second screen type of shit when youate to this day and it was like oh like there's real value in this like second screen type of shit when you do it this way the delay was uh was serendipity like

yeah because bad technology and wasn't the delay the delay was because because we were getting it on a delay it wasn't like the stream we didn't have delay we got to a new office we were watching it on delay yeah we were like oh wait we're never gonna be able to watch tv here but the delay was the only reason that that was even able to happen. Dave laughing in my face, like, I love your misery. And that became – and electric chairs kind of have had their run. We've done – we still do them, but we mix them in with the live. People go to the games.

But that was the beginning of it where it was like, I want to watch every game with you guys. And that's where you realize the true value of it. Wilbur was shortly after that, I think. The Wilbur, that a seminal moment for kfc radio we we go on the road we do kfc read it we had done saloon which was our 100th episode which is a total shit show we had done couchella where we got the couch put up on stage at caroline's and we did a couple shows at caroline's in front of like 300 people that was that's when dave was like oh you guys are actually pretty funny. I think the Wilbur got me a job offer.

I don't know if you got me a job offer. He was real impressed with the run at the Wilbur, the run of show. We used no more videos. We used throwback videos. You were kind of queuing them all up. And Dave was like, that was a really good show. He thought that was a show that we do every week. And I was like, no, we just made that up like this week.

And he was like blown away by that. That probably is what brought you on board. Because that was 1,100 people, two nights, sold out, after party in the club afterwards. You guys were trying to figure out, because I'm not sure part of my take it launched by then, right? And we were like, this is why. It was the last show.

Right, and that's why Dan was going to leave. And we were trying to figure out how KFC Radio was going to go on. So Dan was doing it. He needed a producer. Yeah. But then I think the Wilbur, because it's why Dan was going to leave. And we were trying to figure out how KFC Radio was going to go on. So we needed a producer. Yeah. But then I think the Wilbur, because that's when me and Erica had talked. But that kind of like everything started to fall in my back. I mean, I would hope so. We made like $75,000 a night.

That was interesting because I was kind of holding on to KFC Radio. I wanted Dan there. He clearly had moved on. He was checked out. He would pop in here and there, but he was focused on PMT, especially once PMT was a monster. And how much they do.

They make content so much. And that was back when there was this idea of you can't do anything but one show. Now I think it could have been different. I think Dan could have done both. He could have maybe stuck on, but at that point it was like everyone to focus you had to have your own vertical and they had to have your own success and all that shit and i i realized like there was

it was never the plan it was just like at that weekend i was like this is it like this is going to be the end and so i remember i think i said that during the second show um being like this is the end of kfc radio as you guys know it like dan's not coming back and this is like we have to have some sort of ending why not have it be right now when everybody's here like let's make it a celebration you're about to you're about to witness the last kfc radio ever um and then i mean that that launched into the asa year which i think the the asa experiment ended up not working for two reasons one i think we underestimated how hard it is to sell when you had a hardcore porn star on your show now again it's different call me daddy and all this shit's super raunchy at that like if ossa was here now i think

it would be totally different sales wise but they they were it was like a red flag for everybody and two it just didn't like it didn't jive with and like i said before the whole the regime that said that that couldn't be sold has changed since then. But I also think – I think if there was a new show with Asa, it would have been fine. I think her – anybody who was filling Dan's shoes was going to be fucked. And anybody who was coming into a show that already existed and we like it this way and now all of a sudden it's different, maybe not necessarily bad but just different. Now there's a girl in the mix. There's a female persona.

There's someone disagreeing with our silly takes, all shit it just started to weigh on people but people forget like the first like i don't know like two three months like eight twelve sixteen episodes were very funny yeah and they like skyrocketed our downloads like it it launched us into not like the pmt level by any means but like several hundreds of thousands of downloads more uh because of asa so like in the long run it kind of like wore some people down and didn't end up working out but without that i don't know because who else would have filled if you just filled with another blogger it's like this is just a watered down version of what you guys are doing right bring in this well-known world-class porn star who's well-spoken but fucking crazy and all of a sudden you're offering a very unique thing and i think it kind of like kept us afloat it like it grew us but

kept us afloat while we were trying to figure out that transitional period when she bought like a truckload of candles the candles that was the best it was just like girls are so dumb she's gonna become a fucking candle maker that the time her her husband called her like a seven or something to her face like she had some very good stories in the very beginning that really and the dynamic with her and fights at least in the very beginning was very funny and uh i think also kind of paved the way for like i mean we can we can talk about anything we can do anything all sorts of shows are gonna fly on this network now. So, uh, that was like the, the KFC radio continuation. And then I have down here, I mean, comedy central was, was, uh, more of like a barstool moment,

not necessarily barstool, New York or KFC radio. Again, the R 10 days in the RV, when you have a pregnant wife and a like one and a half year old, I'm surprised it didn't all fucking, I'm surprised I didn't get divorced right then and there. Uh. But that was the TV debut where I made a pregnant joke. Shouldn't have done that. Threw a fucking – a few F-bombs out there. We all thought we were walking away with a new TV show. Like there's no way Comedy Central can't pick this up. This is a fucking smash hit.

But, I mean, they probably should have. Oh, they definitely should have. Yeah. They definitely should have you know they definitely should have they had the shot to be in i remember i i was like i i thought that they were definitely gonna pick it up if you're based on like the internet reaction it was undeniable we did like you know 500 billion impressions and shit like that right but tv just like as good as timing for barstool is i think there's been some bad misses with timing and i think

like even barstool van talk i think like today would fly like barstool is, I think there's been some bad misses with timing. And I think even Barstool Van Talk, I think today would fly. Barstool sports is much more accepted in the mainstream even now than it was just for Barstool Van Talk and certainly for Comedy Central. And it's just like nobody had the foresight. If you had the foresight to say just weather this storm right now because this is where media is heading and all that shit, you would have had, like, first dibs and loyalty and all that shit the way, like, Chernin does for being down with us at the get-go. Right. And then the last moment I had here for my own personal, it's nothing major, but the gray hoodie, which sounds crazy to put down a shirt as a moment here. But that gray quilted hoodie from Rich and faded who rich is on the show today it was a very apropos we sat down with the creator of that hoodie and the designer of the entire

viva line of barstool clothes because i think people are still kind of confused as to what the barstool merch process is like especially when we're not just making like silly t-shirts with funny slogans um that that shirt like brought me into the merch world because I can't, I don't, I'll make funny sports shirts when they pop up, but like people are always like, where's the KFC radio shirt? Like, I don't want to just a shirt that says KFC radio on it. I don't, who's going to wear that? Who's going to buy that? I wanted to make shirts and clothes that people would actually wear hoodies and clothes, part street wear, part lounge wear, part just like casual wear. And that's exactly what

that hoodie was. And so I, whenever I think of my career, I'd say, you know, it's like writing, blogging slash radio, uh, some, some sort of video element. And then, and then there's this, this merch side of things that, uh, basically maybe the first, maybe the big sexy shirt was the biggest one. Like I coined that nickname, uh nickname. A couple other hits as far as sports-related shirts. But that hoodie and then the Viva line is what got me into the merch side of things. So that kind of rounded out the other element of my career. So if it wasn't for that shirt, there would be a whole piece of the gig missing. So I don't know.

That's pretty much my 10 years in a nutshell. And a monster $100 million lawsuit because I once jokingly called the guy a pedophile. Thank God. And if you don't know that story, real quickly, I'll just say, the guy fucked up filing the paperwork.

The only reason we absolutely didn't lose 100, like we were 100% lost a $100 million lawsuit and Barstool sports would have ceased to exist dave always said he's like i don't know we'll just start barstool sports two.com and we'll just keep writing like you can have the domain he's like i don't have 100 million dollars you can just own barstool sports and we'll just go start starboard yeah i'm sure like whatever barstool sports with my miss my fucking uh misspelling but he he messed up the he he filed suit against like barstool sports.com instead of barstool sports llc or whatever it was and he tried to get cute

with it and do it on the last date of the statute of limitations and it expired and that's the only reason i survived that one the only reason why barstool survived it so some good timing some good luck some bad luck and that's that's the Barstool life in a nutshell. Let's get some voicemails, and then we'll do our boy Rich Franklin on the interview. The voicemails for today are brought to you by BarkBox. Started in 2011, BarkBox. So that's right around the Barstool Blackout Tour. So it's been around for a minute.

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to be honest. Kind of want to know what you guys think and how to kind of approach that. I mean, we have at least 150 people in our family who have been divorced. So just kind of wondering, Joe, how to think about it. Thanks. I would – I mean, this is a touchy topic. So he's saying he's going to have a big wedding. Already. But not everybody's going to make the cut.

Yeah, like you get engaged, and because you have social media, and because everyone's connected in this world, everyone knows, and everyone congratulates you, and everyone reaches out, and it's like, awesome, man. Thanks, but we haven't even hung out in five years or whatever, and my wife doesn't even know you. I don't know. My friend got engaged recently,

got married recently, Marco, you know Marco Ben. And he's a friend of mine. He's not a great friend of mine. I didn't know him forever, but he's definitely a friend of mine. But I have been off the radar for so long. I never even met his wife.

I never once thought I was going to be invited. And I've spent summer houses and ski houses with marco just like a different life yeah it was just you know and like had i got to know his wife then maybe and and you gotta i mean you gotta be honest you gotta be honest with yourself about whether or not you think you're actually invited to a wedding at the end of the day you if you're engaged and you're getting married it's a financial decision it's uh like, I don't, I'm speaking from the guy point of view. It's a, I don't want to hear it sort of like decision.

You know, I would love for Marty mush to be at my wedding. You know, if I ever get married again, Marty, love you to death, bro. You're probably not coming to my wedding. You know what I mean? Like, and, and Marty would be like, you rat bastard. I don't want to fucking come to that. Like me and him could be real about it. I think. I think you got to be honest about both sides. Do you need this guy here, this girl here?

No. Do you want to go? Sure. But do you have to be there? No. That's a bold move. So these friends were presumptuously saying, can't wait for the wedding, and you're like a distant friend? That's a dickhead move.

But also maybe it's like, can't wait to see the way, like on Instagram. We're on Instagram. I can't wait to see, I don't know. That does sound specifically like can't wait to be there. But you got to draw a line somewhere. And it's the number, well, I don't know. Maybe not the number one thing, but I remember being like, I want plus ones for everyone.

I want everyone I've ever had fun with. I want it to be the best party ever. So maybe a guy I don't even know but a guy who I know used to fucking rage and has a great time. Let's bring him. And then you sit down and you get down to brass tacks and you look at the number per plate and the number of people. And you're like, oh, you've only been dating that girl for like two months. Well, you're not getting a plus one. Shit like that.

You hate to pick and choose. It's like the NCAA tournament. It's like there's always on the bubble it's it's how many people are going to be like your groomsmen and bridesmaids there's a bubble for that there's also a bubble for how many people in general are invited if there's plus ones invited you know i don't know gas was at my wedding sometimes some sometimes people slip through the cracks sometimes the goalie lets a couple through you know you know, I don't know, gasp is at my wedding. Sometimes people slip through the cracks. Sometimes the goalie lets a couple through, you know? You know what we did, and I'm, like, impossibly embarrassed about this now. We have, you know, I had, like, your main circle of friends, and then their main circle of friends.

But there's a lot of, like, overlap at events. Like, I see this guy a lot. The Venn diagram, yeah. I see him a lot, but it's because I, i see this guy a lot the venn diagram yeah i see him a lot but it's because i you know i have a best friend and then he is college best friends with that so i see him a lot but he wasn't really like on your friend he was a inner circle yes yes we decided he didn't make the cut then we got the round of rsvps that and then there was room so honestly and then i mean but we sent it last minute. Last minute.

He didn't even respond, and I was like, touche, but now I see him all the time. And, you know, like, it's been many, many years. Yeah. And sometimes we talk about weddings and stuff like that, and it was just like, oh, yeah, I wasn't there because you invited me two days before. Honestly, the wait list is basically what you're talking about?

Yes. Total dickhead move? A totally realistic move. Like, I don't't think you i mean i regret sending out a late late that late is bad if you if you can still make it within the realm of possibility honestly we're getting to the point when you make that person know that you're late wait listed yeah that's fucked that that's see now i think we're actually moving into a world where the wait list is very possible i went to jay hayes wedding i never got a paper invitation because he texted me and was like what's your new address and i was like save the money i don't like and now this is my best friend of 30 years right so i know i was going but i was like save the money

and i'll just come i had to venmo him his gifts by the way he didn't he didn't he didn't send me the the paper invitation i'm not sending the paper card. But so in that case, you almost don't – as long as it's not like the day before, you can kind of get away with like a text message or an e-vite or whatever the fuck the modern world is going to do. If you have to send out an invitation and it's arriving paper – and I got one that was once pretty late, and I knew it, and I was like like this is fucking bullshit but whatever because honestly there are people like i would in some cases i bet you the wait lists the first let's call it five on the bubble are actually probably like the best people the most fun people you want yeah at your party now it's like this is a dude yo babe listen i know you don't know this guy but he was awesome in college right heart of gold party animal i know you don't know this guy, but he was awesome in college. Heart of gold, party animal.

I know you don't know him, and I haven't seen him in years, so we can't give up Cousin Sally's spot, but she just RSVP'd Node? No, but the first guy in, the first alternate, might be the best of all guests. Right, right, right. Because those are the guys that you like in small doses. You've got your best, best friends, because these are the guys that have just always been there for you. So they're, of course, going to have the spot yep then you've got

the obligations yep but then you've got guys that you're like oh we really want to have a good time if you're trying to throw a party you gotta invite you know benny over here so as as there's more like hey text message you want to show up show up to my wedding and that's more customary i bet you can kind of like mix and match but all that being, to go back to the original question and live in the current world we do where you're still sending out paper invitations that are thousands, hundreds of dollars. I think at the end of the day, you have to make the decision for your wallet, and that makes your wife happy. And if you're the wife, I don't know what to think because I can't even get inside a girl's head. I feel like it's easier for the woman. She just knows exactly who she wants to be there and just never wavers on that. And really, again, from a guy's point of view, if I didn't get invited to your wedding and we were boys or we've ever had a really good night out, I would probably be like, your wife doesn't want me there.

Whatever. And we'd be cool. But I don't know. Maybe some people take it too touchy too seriously but most normal guys would either not care at all not notice at all or if they ever did think they should be there and weren't they would understand it's really not up to that

guy to make that happen I'm a little drunk Hey Vice BFC NBC so imagine that like the house girl in the world, your dream girl. Christina Shulman. But she has a fetish. And what is the one fetish that you would have to say no to

and absolutely not be able to be with her because of it? Oh, Vice would be here for this one. I also, like, I now regret, like, saying her name, because now we're going to have to get, like, you know, disgusting with this conversation, you know? Fuck. Christina, if you're listening, don't.

Turn it off. I think I draw the line at Scatplay. I'm out on that. Jesus. Yeah, that's disgusting. I think I draw the line so far. That's why I said John should be here for this, because he'll probably be like, there's no line. No, I mean, I think we both would probably begrudgingly be like, all right, like, pee play, whatever, golden showers,

we'll figure that out. I'm out. I can't do, I'll go with the Asa Akira. Asa Akira says no scat, no kids. Everything else, fair game. Yeah, I agree. And also probably I'm out on a bunch of normal people. Could you do a foot fetish?

I mean, like, what does that mean? Exactly. What does that mean? She wants. So what? What could I tell you about my feet or her feet that would really be, like, morally opposed? I mean, like, I don't, like, if she wants to suck on my toes i don't i don't want her to do that yeah but would it be a deal breaker if she was your dream girl when she just let some

girl lick it doesn't mean shit to you i mean it's it's certainly not something i want happening dream girl dream girl all right all right i hear what you're saying like think about like 1999 sable or some shit you're not gonna let her lick your toe fucking cares right right right suck my toe for like an hour straight make that shit pruney i don't give a fuck i think it's weird i don't want it but whatever the rest is all gravy yeah i i don't do all right i'll tell you i mean this is just like i'm thinking of like everything i've ever seen on a porn site that I've been like, nope, not clicking on that. Clothes pins on the nipples and shit?

Nope. Oh, yeah. My dream girl doesn't get hurt at all, though. She could be the dream, dream, dream girl. I'm not getting spanked. No, yeah, yeah. Sorry. That's funny.

You ever been whacked in the face and it's like, well, I do that to you. This is a one-way street. I will slap you in the face and that's it uh like electric like any like overly painful things again i'll slap your face but people are electrocuting and clamps and fucking no no no no no none of that uh i really really don't like my people like pinching nipples. That shit hurts, man. Fuck that, dude. No, thank you. Bodily functions.

Like when a guy would give me a titty twister, like busting balls, I'd be like, yo, fuck. I'll punch you in the fucking face. Yeah, like do not touch my nipples. Yeah, vast majority of bodily functions I'm out on. Some bodily functions I'm out on some some bodily functions certainly in on uh um i mean probably you know like fucking fem dom shit nope like okay guys being in the mix nope um i guess there's a lot of fetishes out there yeah that you really gotta if you're really putting me down to make a no-fly list it's probably gonna be pretty long yeah i mean i'm probably out on more than i'm in

on right but also that's that's like uh it's like an iceberg it's like the tip of the iceberg i'm in on almost everything you know right the bottom of the iceberg for sure not and there's a lot more to go through but the relatively accepted things i'll let you do literally whatever you want and i guess it's like if it's true dream dream dream. Does dream girl just mean like the hottest girl you can think of? No, no, no. It means literally when you fall asleep at night and you have your wildest dream about the prettiest, nicest, sexiest, cutest, friendliest, supportivest girl ever that you want to be with all the time. If that girl said, I want to electrocute your nipples, would you say yes or no? I'd probably let you electrocute my nipples. Would you say yes or no? I'd probably let you electrocute my nipples.

Christina, call me. What's going on, guys? Hypothetical for you. If the government shut down all social media sites and porn sites in one day. Chaos. What kind of reaction do you think the United States population would do? How many people would march on Washington? How fast? Chaos. What kind of reaction do you think the United States population would do? How many people would march on Washington House fast? Chaos.

Well, it's wild, though. You shut down porn, big, big deal. But then you also shut down social media, and there's nowhere to talk about it. True. It's almost like if you're going to strike something down, also strike down social media because then there won't even be talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like when there's a government coup they go after like the tv broadcast the infrastructure so that people can't can't communicate yeah somehow it's almost like when you're you blow up the bridges when

you're taking out the cities right you know what i mean like you gotta cut off the lines of travel and communication it's wild like when if if they were they were to drop i a – all right, I'm drunk. So I've been talking all day long. I was thinking about Batman in that sense. They blew up the bridges first, right? So I've been talking all day long. I did this show solo. I walk out – well, solo.

Yes, I did this show solo. I walk out at 12.54 for 1 o'clock show. Realize all three, both of my co-hosts and my alternate are out. I do two hours of radio solo. I go to do the rundown. Dave is out. RIP Stella. Very sad. Dave's with Renee and Stella passed away. He's the king of the toys. I do the rundown

solo. The rundown was sponsored by New Amsterdam Vodka. Grinnell passes me a pint glass of vodka basically a splash of pink lemonade the pink whitney has me buzzing good in my head that made sense about blowing up the bridges anyway you're getting you're getting a solo episode and half of it's drunk if you know how like if instagram goes down people tweet is instagram down what the fuck i can't believe instagram's down if all of them but if pornhub goes down, people tweet, is Instagram down? What the fuck? I can't believe Instagram's down. Cut out all of them. But if Pornhub goes down,

are people tweeting about it? Because it's like, you gotta admit that you're, I mean, everybody is on board with it. Everybody knows everybody watches porn. But to start complaining about it? People like us would, but a lot of other people, maybe the all three that's at your wedding, are like, I'm not fucking talking about that.

Yeah. I mean, no porn, no social media. Yeah, like, probably nothing would happen. alternates at your wedding are like i'm not talking talking about that yeah um i mean no porn no social media yeah like probably nothing would happen yeah probably be a lot of people grinds to a standstill everyone just just very frustrated they have to like keep their thoughts to themselves probably people just uh like masturbating from memory yeah and like yelling at their significant other whoever's like within years your your shot i think if if free porn all went away and if all porn went away i say like you couldn i think if if free porn all went away and if all porn went away i say like you couldn't like because if free porn went away i think a few

people bite the bullet yeah but i mean john bites the bullet like it's free and he still bites the bullet i'm like uh you know i'm like a two or three clicks away like i was i was looking at like a no face girl video and it was like uh for sale she like tweeted out a video like for sale and i was like i kind of want to watch this and i thought it was only for purchase and i just searched the title on pornhub it's for free i'm like no thanks do you need a business manager like i maybe it seems like you guys are doing great but it's like are these for free or not i don't know but I was real close to paying for it. She's like, it is for free, but maybe I can get a guy to buy it.

And honestly, is that not just the world of women? It's like, you know, maybe I can just – I'm self-sufficient. I can pay for this. But maybe I could get someone to do it for me. Good for you. Good for all women. So we don't know what would happen. I mean, honestly, I think people would be furiously masturbating,

and it would take multiple minutes longer than usual because there's no porn, and then they would sit around frustrated and probably drink and smoke to go to sleep and wake up in the morning with their fingers crossed like, I hope I can do all this again for free. Hey, KFC. I should have heard you say VC. Is this girl drunk? Sounds like it.

So I'm dating this guy, and it's getting a little serious now. She is hammered. She might fall asleep. What is the best way, or even if there is a good way to tell him that sometimes I'm a cam girl to make my rent.

I just want to know your opinion on it. Thank you. She had to get drunk to ask this question. You gotta keep that one. Yeah. You gotta keep that one quiet. Why? What do you need to tell him?

For a long... What do you need to tell him? Like, honesty and, like, fucking, you know, transparency. Like, I don't know. You don't. Yeah, keep it quiet i think that uh there are certain relationships that probably could could withstand that like you i think you know whether you're in like a fucking kinky crazy relationship like if you're like watching porn with this guy

and you're like just over the top and crazy and like open and free talk about no face girl, whatever, you know what I mean? Like if that, if that's the case, I think that, uh, eventually you could maybe broach the topic,

but I think you got to understand that like 99.999999999% is going to be like999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 of varies i think inherently when a guy finds out that someone else is fucking their girl or they're playing the field brian austin green he finds out he's like no no no no megan fox is like okay i'm gonna start dating he's like well hold the phone you know we're in an open relationship i can do what i want oh wait you're fucking around too never mind we're now monogamous like everyone's cool all guys are cool like oh yeah i don't really care about her i don't talk to her oh she just like posted a thirst trap on instagram and she's like no hey what's up girl you know what i mean jealousy is a huge motivator for guys and i think that that plays pretty much universal and so it's got to be a specific type of person who's cool

with you being a cam girl so how about there's But there is a – like I don't want another guy like whining and dining and touching you and shit. But like I don't know. An anonymous cam is different. I'm not going to like it. I'm probably going to freak out about that too. But there's probably some guys who won't. Well, she asked when to tell them. How about when you want to move in?

Be like, listen, I need help paying this rent. And if you want me to stop being a cam girl, how about you... Brother, let me tell you something. Cam girls don't need help paying rent. That's why they're cam girls. Well, she said she's a cam girl to pay the rent. Right, right.

But I'm saying, like, I think she's probably doing that successfully, and then some. Right, but I think she could be like, if I want to... Oh, I see what you mean. If I want to get this guy to move in with me, I say, like, listen,

this is what I have to do to get this done. Could you handle it, girl? This is where I need John. I can't have you answering these questions. I feel like – I mean I'm always like you could sell your foot pics, no problem. And then it's like, okay, what if I sent a picture of my ass in a bikini, like Instagram picture? What if I could sell that? Well, it's weird.

It's like the mentality. What if I could sell a picture of that? What if I could sell that oh well it's weird it's like what if i could sell a picture i could sell a picture of that what if i could sell like where's the line go yeah see i mean i'd be all i would not be about like the direct monetary exchange but like if a girl can be a instagram model and like make money and sell fit tea i'm like fucking do it would you ever do a don't ask don't tell where it's like all right yeah you sell your fit tea but there's a lot more money coming in than i then i think fit tea is worth and you also like tuesdays and wednesdays you're like gone you know you're on the computer all night i don't think so yeah right like the like the it's insecurity it's jealousy it's whatever it is that starts to creep in i think eventually all guys even if you find one

who's cool i think eventually every guy's like i don't want massive amounts of people masturbating to you so let's just cut that out but if you want to broach the topic i think you have to really have a decent gauge that he's at least like not gonna run out of the room you know what i mean to bring it up like a lot of guys are probably gonna be like no no no i think you have to know like hey i mean like this girl's a cam girl is she like vanilla with her boyfriend you know she's probably yeah it's probably like that makes sense see that that's where i'm you know if if you that's i was gonna say the opposite kind of like you know when you're in like an alternative type of relationship.

Like if you're doing some shit and you're into some things that you know your friends aren't into and then all of a sudden like it goes too far, you're almost kind of like, listen, I know. But if it's a true I'm hiding this from you and like we just do missionary, you probably never can tell him. If you think it's something like that he's going to get, I think you've got to wait a little while and ease him into it. But I think you almost always have to brace for him to be like, no. Like, absolutely not. No fucking shot. Last Voice of the Day is brought to you by Raycon. My man Ray J, he's a visionary.

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Right. Super producer, BC. First time caller. New to the school. Living viva. Love it. I'm at the gym. I get there.

And there's a middle-aged older guy just standing in front of the big fan, butt-ass naked, fully tallying himself off, between the legs, the whole night. And, you know, I get naked when I first get there to get the boxers off and the compression shorts on, and, you know, same at the end. But this guy was just rubbing himself down. And then at the end, the guy in the sauna has his music blaring, and it's just me and him. I'm listening to some terrible music. So I'm

curious, do you even lift? If you do, what's the most annoying locker room antic that you deal with? And are you the culprit of any of those antics? Now, this took such a bad turn with the way he ended up posing the question.

Fuck this guy. But I'll say this. I know what's going on when it comes down to things like this. This is, like, this guy right here with this accent, this older guy, older, Philly, like Delaware accent. Older guy. He's going to do this one day. He will be the guy fanning his balls and playing his music because it happened to him. Okay.

That's why this cycle continues until there's a generation of men who says, I know that I'm at the age where I should towel my balls in front of the fan, but I'm going to break on the, on the breaker of chains chains. I'm the mother of dragons until you break the cycle. It will happen forever because it happens at work. You have a bully boss. Who's an asshole to you. And you're like,

fuck this guy. I don't know why he treats me this way. And then you get a promotion. The first thing you do is you're like, I lived through it, and that's how it goes. So you got to do it too. It's hazing and initiating and hierarchy and all that shit. These guys, they hit like 65, 70, and they're like, oh, yeah, I dry my asshole with a fan. Because you know what I saw my grandpa do?

That. And it's like, no. No. Break the cycle. It it's like, no. No. Break the cycle. It's like a certain age. A certain age just hits and you're like. I think so. It's my turn now. Because I think like everything else in life, you're cool when you're young.

And then like people grind and wear you down. It's like, you know, right now I can't stand when young people like music that I think is trash. But that's relatively harmless. I'm not going to hold it against them. Well, another decade of that, plus when they force their TV on me and their movies on me. And then they're forcing their politics on me. And then they're forcing this on me. Eventually, I'm like, here's my nutsack hanging down to my knees, you assholes.

Eventually, you become the bitter old man. You're Clint Eastwood on the fucking porch with a shotgun. Because you just get worn down eventually where it's like, it wasn't like this in my day. Two fucking miles uphill and all that shit. I think eventually, and I implore my generation to be the one. Like, keep your nutsack hidden at the gym. Keep your nutsack in your underwear or at least behind a towel and break this. Because if no one

sees this, no one naturally is like, time to bend over in front of the fan. That's learned behavior. That's the nature versus nurture shit. Nature ain't telling you to, I mean it does kind of feel good to be honest, but you're not going to do that if you've never seen

someone else do it. So hide that behavior. Break the chain. Break the cycle. And no one's nuts needs to be out at the locker room. All right. I definitely need to get off the microphone now. Richie Range is next.

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It's Rich Franklin, the designer of all the Viva clothes, and in my opinion, I think the best custom sneaker creator on the fucking planet. That was a good one. That was deep. I thought I was going to get a little less of an intro. No, I mean, I think that from what I've learned from you, you're too humble about it.

And I think when it comes down to some of the work you've done and the shit that you can create, I think a lot of people in the sneaker world know certain names and they should know yours. Yeah, I appreciate that. You drive me crazy with how humble you are, though. I'm like, fucking say it! Put it out there, man! Sometimes I just want to shout it out and let people know because there's a lot of behind-the-scenes shit that

on Instagram and through the web, everybody sees the final product and they see a little bit of the process, but there's a lot of failure that goes in. There's a lot of different components, so it's very glorious at times, process but there's a lot of failure that goes in there's a lot of different components so it's very glorious at times but then there's a lot of work that goes in behind it that's the stuff that like just keep your mouth shut keep grinding until it's done and then you guys can see the pretty finished product but i see tears behind the rest of it sometimes yeah i see you on the ig yesterday doing uh where am i on yesterday but recently doing all the tape

jobs yeah that shit looks yeah it's funny because it brings me back to high school. When everybody asks, I did an interview yesterday on the phone, and somebody was like, where did this start? Where did you start doing footwear? And I started to think back to being 12, 13, in school, just painting markers on my shoes. And then it got to that elevated level where we put a little tape around it. So you had some type of guide and buffer and we were doing that young.

And then somebody, you know, segmented was like, where was your first shoe that you designed? And it was actually a soccer shoe. And it was, I was like 15 or 16 years old. And I like saved up all my money. I had like a really nice chunk and I did a thousand pairs in China. I never forget. They were dirt cheap. They were like $ I did a thousand pairs in China. I never forget. They were dirt cheap. They were like $13, $13 like in China to the point where like when you pulled the laces,

the whole lace bar, it just busted straight through. It wasn't even leather. It was some like shitty PU. So like I remember that and later on like that design was adapted into something that looks similar to the Total 90, like Nike's Total 90, which was a real big, you know, soccer shoe growing up. So it was nice to see that the design was like nike's total 90 which was a real big you know soccer shoe growing up so it was nice to see that the design was like a little groundbreaking and i was i was young at that point so it's it's definitely been a journey is that the moment where you start to realize like maybe

you're onto something yeah i think like once i you know i love better at this than other people i love to design and i love to create and but the other side of that is also seeing like the fulfillment of somebody's face like when they get get like that product and they're so happy about it. So like the salesmanship of it is also art in and of itself. Yeah, and the money. Of course. And then the fucking money. Of course.

But then I'm seeing like a couple of them fly off and I was like this works. My dad had like a little soccer camp and I noticed that like all the parents and all these like families would come and they would purchase all this regular type of soccer apparel. So I started doing clothing and then I started doing little converses with his logo on the side of it and made almost a streetwear version of his athleisure. You know what I mean? How old were you then? I was probably 15, 14, 15. I forget it was like two men's T-shirts, two men's hoodies, two men's zip-ups, two trucker hats, like what are those, flex fit type of hats, a Converse, girls' booty shorts, two girls' like Converse hats. Yeah, bro. And I was like slanging it out of like my dad's camp up in like Williston, Northampton, like all the way up top.

But you had like almost 900 kids kids plus parents per week rotating in. So I'm seeing the commerce at 14, 15 years old. I'm like, this is money. What made you start focusing on soccer then? On my playing. No, my dad played. He played with the Cosmos. He's an OG in New York for what he's done for kids and everybody in terms of football.

He has a soccer facility himself that he used to have in Mount Vernon. And now it's a large one up in Danbury. So he always played. And I played since a kid. And I had the opportunity to get a trial with these guys. We're watching Liverpool right now. So when he says I had a trial with these guys, he's pointing to fucking Liverpool. Yeah, no, that was a surprise coming in and seeing the game actually on there.

It caught me off. But, yeah, I had a little stint with them and it was just fun you know i just played all the time played in college and then after that like i broke a couple legs and a bunch of little bones and was like i'm just gonna coach so i coached and all that time i always had like some type of clothing line or some type of garments that i was selling at the time because from printing all these soccer shirts we had like a whole basement full of like heat presses. So I remember as a kid, like I'd always get like burns almost on my forearm because I couldn't reach the lever that was at the back. And that plate is like fucking 400 degrees, you know.

So it's like clothing and sneakers are like hand in hand to me. Like I collected since that age as well. And now I'm 38 years old almost. Like you're rewinding you know 20 years 25 years and i'm copping shoes like when i go to england to for a trial and i'll bring back like five pairs and ask my dad and uncle can you bring me to a sneaker store can you they had all the types of releases that nobody had right here right and they were going crazy with like the the superstars like they would have all the neon and bright colors like that we didn't have in the states we had

like more reserved colorways right so when you went out there it was like a new world you know it was dope the uh so the barstool connection comes in a few years ago uh our boy mikey is i don't even know why why i guess i was i was trying to start to do some some sneaker content and mikey was like i got this guy like i'm a barstool fan whatever and i'm like okay i don't know i'm doing sneaker content i don't know what i'm doing and i'm like yeah bring bring through some shoes whatever rich who are you i don't fucking know rich comes through with his collection of everything from just like rare sneakers to custom sneakers in fucking wooden boxes and stingray skin atris atris feathers and all sorts of shit and it was like one of of the first attempts I did at sneaker content.

And I'm just like, I'm not growing up with it. I'm not like you are. I was like, I just like shoes. I had East Bay as a kid. So I'm like, oh, I'm in way over my head, man. He's like quizzing me on sneakers and shit. No, you had a good rap, though. You knew your facts.

I got a couple questions right. I was like, all right, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. So you're hitting a good shot or two on the golf course. That was exactly it. He's got some potential. He's got something out there.

You know what it was? We were talking. It was either a custom you made or maybe like a Yeezy. And you were like, look at that sole. What's that sole there? And I was like, that looks like an AirTec 2. And it was right. And he was like, yup.

And I was like, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. And it was like a shot in the dark. And then he was like that looks like a like an air tech too and it was right and he was like yep and i was like yeah i know what i'm talking about and it was like a puff it up in the dark and then he's like that was it i had i had a good one the rest was all in the fucking woods in the drink the rest of the time but that's when i realized uh that you know you you you were the real deal you knew what you're talking about and that's when i learned about rich and faded which was uh your clothing brand and and that's that's when's when the quilted hoodie came about. The quilted hoodie is what changed everything because Rich was the original designer. And if you're listening to this show by now, you just know without even seeing it, you know what I'm talking about. The gray quilted hoodie I used to wear.

And every time I was on stool scenes or the rundown, whatever, everyone was like, what is that? What is that? What is that? To the point that like it was weird. It was like many, many many many tweets every time i wore it it didn't even say anything about it so i knew there was something there and then at that point being the fucking grimy shysters that we are here i'm gonna make my own of this thing like uh and so people like where can i get that i'm like don't worry about that we're gonna

make some like barstool version of it and that's when rich is like no that's that's my shit and this is what we do like i'll make it for you and next thing you know we got this whole uh this whole line coming out because yeah i didn't realize that that you know rich and faded is the brand but it's also more about just getting yeah you know you out there as the designer and everything so we just took that turned it into a barstool piece and uh that's when you started designing the rest of the collection which and that's the reason i wanted to have you here is because when people see the Vivo line, they're like, why the fuck would I buy shirts, shoes, clothing from you, dude? You are like an idiot blogger.

Well, you're not really buying it from me, bro. We have a head designer here who knows what he's doing. And some of the names you worked for throughout the years with customs and clothing is like, I mean, they're fucking major. Appreciate it. I used to laugh. I'd be on the phone with him trying to design a hoodie, and he's like, let me call you right back.

I got Puffy on the other line. I'm like, ah, Puffy. Did he? That was a great story. We were running downtown. I think it was like 2016, and we were going to like, it was All-Star Weekend or something like that. And we had just dropped off like a Yeezy, funny enough.

And it was a white bottom, all black upper, like suede, python, stingray, a little bit of patent. And you called me like as I was with Groovy Lou. I'm like standing there like passing the shoes off, having a combo. You know what I mean? Like, and I think you made the comment on one of your one of your interviews that mike sent me was like yo check out what what your man said about you and i go and i look at it and you were like bro this guy totally like put all of his work down be like yo i can't do i sorry sorry diddy i can't do that i'm working over here with barstool and that was one of my favorite comments honestly

it shows the multitasking i guess that's what it is like hang on a second yeah i gotta make a fucking hoodie for these idiots no i guess that's the that's what i love the most about what i do is the versatility and because i've been you know creating sneakers and clothing for so long and they they obviously complement each other when you're with one client you're vibing with like sneakers and clothes and like the next guy calls you and it's like kind of the same the same purpose but it's all these cool guys you guys are cool guys you kidding me this is like one of my favorite places to come like i mean i appreciate that wallpaper you put the sweatshirt as the office wallpaper for god's sake so it's so funny about that so i i knew i wanted to do something with the hoodie we were talking about just hanging them up on the wall first and then i was like fuck it why don't we

make like the the soundproofing the actual quilted and they were like uh okay we'll do that and i was like i'll all right i'll put you in contact with my dude who like has the material yeah and they're like no we got it and i was like i mean no you no you don't but okay like we'll see what happens and i walk in and it's this it's this wallpaper every single person that walks in though touches they walk right out to touch it i think i did the first time when i came in i was like yo you guys actually stick oh no i was like that was crazy it's wild how like yeah i mean you know when i look back on it and hopefully the viva line continues to be like a monster and i it's it comes down to this quilted material that like you know if it was that was kind of you know we get the sherpa next and there's other cool shit that we're doing but if it wasn't for that weird

that cut and the patches and the quilted i I don't know where it would have gone. But I appreciate you saying it's cool, but it's one thing when you're on the other line with 50 Cent and Puffy and you're designing Ben Simmons' all-star weekend shoe and shit like that, and then you get off with them, like, I got business to do with these morons over here.

I mean, it's the only reason it's even possible to do it, so we always appreciate that. And mean, it's the only reason it's even possible to do it. So we always appreciate that. And I knew it was going to work because, you know, your personal style is way more out there than mine, right? And you always say that the shit that I like and the Barstool fans like is like 18, 24 months old. Basically what we do is we sell Rich's old shit. Because my crowd is not ready for that yet.

We're Rich Invaded either. Rich Invaded let go. Yes, yes. We got all this extra material here, all these extra samples, stuff we made. We'll sell them to Barstool. Because my crowd is not ready for the new shit. Yeah, it's not like it's old stuff.

It's new stuff in our world. You can't even think about it like that. And the only reason is like I'm designing things like almost two to three to four years are trying to be like that far ahead of, you know, watching trends and predicting different changes. So my first sketches sometimes are like really out there. And sometimes it's not going to it's going to take two years for the actual culture to catch up to that kind of vibe that's exactly not to say it's old shit like not to say that we gotta dip in i think sometimes i'll design something that's too much and i'll show you guys like yo let's do this and everybody's like yo yo hold on hold on we're not ready for that one you are like throttle me a little bit you're marty mcfly and back to the future you're marty mcfly at the enchantment

under the sea dance you're playing johnny be at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance. You're playing Johnny B. Goode. The whole audience is like, what? And you realize you're not ready for this. But your kids are going to love it. About to fly out of this bitch. And I really knew it was going to work when I was trying to be polite about it because that is also your personal style now.

And I'm like, I don't think that's really for me yet. And my crowd's a little more, listen, we're kind of just, like, lame white guys. Like, you know, we want to be a little edgier, trendy, whatever. And you were like, I get it. Like, a little bit, but not too much. Like, some neutral colors, maybe a little bit of a different cut. And then he goes, and, you know, maybe, like, some thicker material to, like, cover you up up top when, like, the man boobs are coming in.

And I was like, so? This guy knows my target. He knows my demo. that's exactly it like when i put on a t-shirt i don't have to worry about the front tugging across the arms mad high you know slouching the shoulders yeah we're gonna make the cut a little different we're gonna build it with intention you know you know you're in a bad spot when your whole fan base is like look i got tits you gotta can you throw a bra in my t-shirt we're dropping a viva sports bra for the dude i'm not above it i'm fucking with it i'm not above it i'll pop spanks i'll be out there in the summer rocking it yo we

i've done it we did like a video before on uh me me and Dave were trying to see who could run on a treadmill longest at high speed. I wore a fucking sport bra. I would have knocked myself out if I was technical. That was all performance. That had nothing to do with style. That was function before fashion. Oh, man. So when people are, you know, it's mostly the people who like the Viva line.

They just get it. They like it. And then, of course, there's always in the world who like the Viva line, they just get it. They like it. And then, of course, there's always in the world of Barstool, there's always going to be haters. In the whole world. In the whole world. But the Barstool haters are always – I think they think I'm like in the basement like trying to sew these fucking shirts together in my goddamn cell. Like it's not – like I wouldn't even become – i wouldn't even be close to being able to do this i go to rich and i said like here's the color i like here's the cut i like like can we do something

like that and uh so like i just need people to understand that like we have a a designer here who like knows what the fuck he's doing and knows the trends and shit and what you just said is interesting so a lot of your stuff that i that i that i usually say we're not ready for it's got straps and patches and all sorts of shit so you sit around thinking like uh you know based on all right the way this is going and the way that's going i think that like straps on the shoulder is what's next are you is that like calculated guess or you're just like fuck it i'm gonna try and hope it hits or are you a lot of times like I'm like dipping back into, you know, vintage files of either old couture houses or old trends of what I used to wear as a kid.

Or I'll just find inspiration in anything. Like as you're walking down the street, you guys, you know, you're inspired by everything around you, especially in New York. It's almost like calming to me where there's so much going on, but I'm in my own world and picking up my own little inspirations and piecing them together that it becomes quiet and like real like it's really comfortable to me. So I think I'm just drawing inspiration from. And at the end of the day, you're going to run out of ideas if you stay in one type of lane. So as much as like I'm wearing tie dye today, I'm usually black, white, gray, hunter green.

Like that's all you see me. Stick to the basics. So as much as like I'm wearing tie-dye today, I'm usually black, white, gray, hunter green. Like that's all you see me in. Stick to the basics. And even mine is like I consider my dress a little reserved. And I step outside the box here and there to express myself. But I think that that's what it comes down to when you're designing something is also understanding the crowd. Like I understand your crowd. I know like who the dudes are. I know the stoolies.

I see them out there. So clutch. Mikey's always like pointing them out. Yo, he's a big stoolie guy over there. You know what I mean? So I know the stoolies. I see them out there. So clutch. So key. Mikey's always like pointing them out like yo, he's big stoolie guy over there. You know what I mean? So I get the vibe and also I floated around to a lot of people

that are fans of the show as well even before sometimes I bring it to you guys just like yo, is this too out there? What are you thinking? So it's not like I'm just looking at a strap

and just wanting to throw it on something. I might see like some type of cable that's on like a high rise holding two joints together and I'm like yo, that's a dope way to kind of like bridge the gap between like maybe the drawstring and the pocket

and connecting them in some type of mechanism. And I'll just start like wandering in my own thought a little bit. And then really it comes down to the Charlie Brown sketch. I bring it down to like either pen or paper or iPad and just get like the first thing down. Because otherwise the next day you wake up and you're regretting it. Like, yo, what was that idea? It was crazy. or the iPad and just get like the first thing down because otherwise the next day you wake up and you're regretting it like yo what was that idea it was crazy

I do that more when we used to blog I would always like if I didn't write down a joke or a premise for a blog or start listing the things out my iPhone notes

was just loaded with it because you will always forget it I don't care what if it's a design if it's a thought if it's an invention whatever if you don't write down

you won't do shit all day if you think about it don't fuck your whole day up it's the thought if it's an invention whatever you don't write down you won't do shit all day is the absolute worst i think uh you knowing the the audience differences i think is like maybe the most important thing aside from the artistic ability because i just get the vibe from the very little that i've dipped into this world that some of the dudes like the names you would know of other coaling brands and designers and shit, they think they're hot shit, they think they're the end all be all,

they think they know everything, and I don't think they think about, you know. All right, I remember he was like, no, your fan's like, you know,

26, he went to SUNY Binghamton, and he's like, you know, he like had it down to a fucking T, and that allows you, I think,

to make, you know, shit for, like this, as you look at the mannequins, down to like fucking T, and that allows you, I think, to make shit for this. Look at the mannequins, down to young inner city kids, up to rich, affluent rappers and shit. If you don't know the public and the audience and the demo, you're lost. It's the hardest thing to do, too. I think a lot of people can draw inspiration and stuff like that. The hardest thing is to be like, okay, this is who I'm'm making it for so i have to curtail my abilities and my my vision and your own like

yeah i'm sure the shit he's designed like this is fucking boring you know but to your point like that's exactly what it is is there's a there's artists sometimes aren't great businessmen and sometimes businessmen usually aren't artists at all i kind of teeter in between those in a very fine line where my creativity is like super high and I'm always like creating, whether it's shoes or clothes or, you know, stuff for Jaeger, like whatever, whatever it is like that I'm creating, I, I'll have that side of me. But then at the end of the day, like there's a PO that's coming in.

As you guys know, you guys moved a lot of, you know, you guys move a lot of merchandise. Richie moves great. You know what I mean? Like you gotta, you gotta come correct with your correct with your shipments, with your palettes. Everything's just got to be on point. And sometimes understanding the business side of things and then the creative, it's a tough marriage. So looking at all these different demographics, it's almost like a continuous wheel of evolution because things are changing every day. Within each company, within each category, whether it's sports or leisure or if it's a rapper or an influencer, everybody gets a different, not treatment, but they get a

different parameter. They have their own guardrails up that they want to use or this is their vision. So a lot of times they're tapping into me to make their vision happen. It's lovely that they give me the creative freedom to be like no bro do what you do like i saw that last one like that was a banger like go ahead do what you do and then there's some people that like no this is the way i want it and i'm cool with that too you know like i feel like we got to that point where it was like i you get it i trust you you know what i'm looking for but i also well i value like what you can bring to it so you go do your thing I actually always thought of it as very similar.

You're like the, like the barstool of clothes, fashion and sneakers where it's like, we kind of did all the same shit too. You know what I mean? We were like writing the blogs, but you were also like part salesman and part fucking, you know, boss in a way.

And, um, so that, I mean, I think that's why it works. I think that's why I definitely don't think I, we could do this with any other, like maybe traditional designer or traditional clothing brand who doesn't get that.

We're kind of making it up as we go. We're kind of doing it on the fly because that's kind of exactly how you did it too. I don't know how you deal with, like I said, the morons like us when you could be dealing with the rappers and the ballplayers. I love getting calls from you guys, bro. When I got your call last night, he called me. I'm going to put him on blast. He called me. He's like, yo, the new stuff that you're designing like you got like one or two of

those samples that have come in i was like i got the live show tonight i was like i got the live show i'm trying to maybe wear it i was like i said to mike coming in i'm like yo i wish i had these pieces done i was like i got pictures of everything coming off the sample floor but you can't wear no pictures you have to wait till next week when they're finished but yeah i guess that's that's the fun of the relationship that we have is that like i also believe like you can't just do business with sometimes traditional companies that have their process like be real like you're gonna be late you're not gonna know you're gonna need a little you know help here and there like and regular companies like nope sorry i don't do that no that's 50 cents extra no that's it's but you

gotta keep shit moving and keep a relationship. It's been funny watching Rich work with Welker, work with Alex. And we all are figuring out each other's tendencies or whatever. And it's like sometimes I've got to talk them down off the ledge. Sometimes I've got to bring Rich back. Come on, I really need the paperwork. Oh, it's a little bit late. Don't worry. Rich is worth it.

It's very much a funny little system we've got going. Well, it's a trust bit late don't worry rich is worth it like it's it's very much a a funny little like system we got going but well it's a trust that's what it is yeah you know i'm gonna you know i'm gonna deliver and that's the that's the biggest point is like sometimes if we were to design stuff and just vamp and a lot of people just talk nowadays and they just come up with ideas and they bullshit and then it's like yo so where's that at yo yo so where's that is that sampling yet like what's going on And then I'm there like the week, the next week with something like fresh off the press. That's like,

bro, how'd you even get that rubber patch done in a fucking week? Like, how was that even possible? You make magic happen. It's just sometimes like, I know you guys and I think you know me. So I'm also at the point I'll text Rich,

like, could you do like a fucking tie dye hoodie mixed with a, he's like, yeah, I guess so. I mean, we can make whatever the fuck you want so I don't know what Kevin's doing at some of these hours when he hits me

I'm like what struck this guy's inspiration cause I'm gonna lose it if I don't fucking get it out right then and there I've legit rolled over at night and like woken up and like I was wearing something in a dream sometimes he hit me like mad early like on some like Saturday Sunday morning like first thing off the rip like yo

what do you think about that and I'm like yo like this guy's on it man i'm like he's catching inspiration yeah we should ask you what your inspiration is i'm trying i was saying rich we gotta start getting these going his his thing has been these short sleeve button-ups with the ridiculous looking real silky the one he had so he got got on an instagram ad for one that was uh what was it 12 and 15 cents or some shit yeah 15 19 15 and 19 off it it took it took like 16 weeks to ship and it was a woman's shirt definitely it was like a blouse it felt like it was like ripped you all weird it felt like laminated toilet paper like it was all it was 100 polyester yeah that's a chemical it's like it's illegal to wear that shit he goes this thing is it had giraffes all over it was almost like

if you took a polo and mix it with a daishiki and made it like a shitty version he goes this shirt's so bad i think it's racist i think it's racist for me to even wear it it was it was out there it was bad but then i was like you guys i still like it so I bought a ton more and I wear them all the time and I'm like, well, we might start. I think the next time when you guys have me bring samples up, I might come with no samples, just pull up to like some little garage sale on some corner

of one of these streets. Snatch like five of these and be like, yo, fights, I got so fired today. What are you thinking? It's got that Yeezy vibe. It's got that, like, you know, sleeping on the corner, Hep B type of vibe, you know? That's what I'm always going for. Yeah.

Because I got it. So you got to tell people, yeah, Hep B. This is that bitchy exclusive right here. This is one of one. Dress how you are, bro, if you got it. Dress it. How am I going to convince you to change up your whole fucking outlook on this idea of getting credit and being frontward facing and being like, I would never say it. I won't put it on blast.

I know you've got business relationships, but like some of sneaker heads or sneaker fans, whatever you want to fucking call it. Some of like the most well-known designs, customs, designers. This is the guy doing the work. Kind of like a little fairy godmother, is that what you're saying? Yeah, and I actually really, really respect it because I think it's probably smarter business-wise, right? I would imagine there's a reason why you do it. I feel like you have a bunch of other people popping off,

and they have their own fan bases, and then you kind of get to reap the benefits of all that at least that's how i imagine it would kind of work but also when you see someone else getting like all the fucking love or like oh this guy's the most fire and look did you see this design and that's yours and no one's saying it no i think i think no i think the work speaks for itself like when people see it such an's such an artist. That's such a fucking stupid artist. I know. It sounds really. That's how these people feel. Stop my dick, dude.

I want the money and the credit. Get out of here. Everybody has that little interior feeling where they want to like shout from the heavens that they did something right. That was mine. And that's like. Mine's on a little voice. It's a fucking.

It takes over my brain. No, but I mean like a lot of times if I'm real with the relationships, like if it's somebody who's coming to me to commission me for work, like they're commissioning me to make that work. And it's most likely their design, their vision. And I'm executing it with perfection. And then for the other, you know, 80, 90 percent of the work that I'm actually designing with them, it's friends. It's like these are friends of mine. Like, you know, we just dropped off to like Joe Sikora, you know, Tommy from Power.

Like these are relationships. It's like so to me, it's not like who gets the credit like if we both you know like won a race or tied like it you know it doesn't like matter to me in that in that aspect as much as your face is hurling up right now if liverpool like if we don't win it's not that big of a deal because i was a center i was a center back i was i went from the center midfielder which are like you know the man you're like threading the needle, which you're like, you know, the man. You're like threading the needle. You know, you're like on every play, you're box to box.

I went from that guy to really enjoying like the center back or even like a low-key right back position, like locking it down, doing your job, doing what you're paid to do, and keeping it moving. Like all these other ones that you probably are thinking in the back of your mind, those are the center forwards. Those are the people that are the strikers that like you know gotta like score to one little hack goal and then like celebrate like crazy to the sideline like no i'll just knock that joint in and then fall back like all right let's get these three points i mean you know like it's an admirable way to be dude i mean not a lot of people uh would agree

with that but also not not speaking of speaking a little cheapies bad timing uh and i think a lot of people would agree with that. But also, not speaking of little cheapies. Bad timing. And I think a lot of other people think the total fucking opposite, man. And we give up some of the money. I appreciate that. We give up some of the success for the credit. I mean, I like it when you say things like that because I get a lot of people like that. A lot of people that want to show that love and want to be like, yo, look what this kid did.

Look what this kid did. And I got a low IG following. I was private for a long time. I always had really good work accounts. Yeah, like that doesn't drive you crazy. My work accounts are like – But at the end of the day, it's IG. I don't take that personal like that.

No, but that's the money. That could be – Yeah, no, but my business IGs are straight. I mean people in the industry that know what we do, they know us. They know what's going on. They know the energy. It's a lot of outsiders that are looking that might have stuff to say or might look at things differently but people that are in my industry which is streetwear and sneakers like they know who we are they know what we do like

we don't really most of the time they brag about it for us i mean we're not really trying to you know go and get all this credit scenario right where you don't even need to say do i need when i pulled out some of those things from the bag, did I have to really say much? No, no, no. You know what I mean? It speaks for itself. We're like, bro, forget that guy. Forget this.

Forget what I just scrolled by because you scroll by shit so quick on IG. And sometimes people underestimate the work that went into it. And I feel bad for a lot of people that will just not get the credit for what they do because I'm like – in the back of my mind, I'm like, yo, I know that little homie went through a lot to even try that. He doesn't have a last. He doesn't have a pattern. Like, he's just winging it. You know what I mean? Like, and I'll appreciate that at some point because I came from that.

It's been a long road for me. So I guess that humility comes with, like, experience and, like, understanding things in a wider scope, you know, trying to scale things a little bit. The understanding needs to be there. Like, it's like a maturity level almost that, you almost that you don't need to be flashy or whatever. But I also think that you've just achieved your own level of success where you're good with it. And, I mean, speaking of the IG, if you go to RichieRangers' IG,

he's living pretty good. I can't tell you. I mean, I would say this. Let's say I'm on Instagram and I screenshot like 10 things to send to John about like whatever. Like nine times out of 10, it's going to be like a hot chick or something like that, right? And then the last one is like, did you see what Rich is doing on vacation? And he's like, oh, I saw it. I saw it.

Oh, no. Rich is living. I work hard, but I definitely play harder. Play hard. You know what I mean? With good- looking people, several of them at a time usually, in gorgeous locales,

dressed in the finest fucking custom clothes and sneakers and shit. I'm trying to just get this six pack right. I've been working on this shit because I'm trying to get the grab. I know Kevin's looking at me on vacation right now. I am. I got to get this six pack up. Everybody else is looking good.

The girls is looking right i know you know what i mean shout out jazzy joyce and melena fox you gotta give them a shout i wasn't sure we could even say they make me look good now they make me look good i don't if you watch rich go on vacation with jazzy joyce and melena fox like you will not want to be any anybody else in the world other than ridgy range no it is... You're living like it's a fucking music video that your life is... That's even funnier and more ridiculous.

That's such a thing. That's Instagram, man. You see what you think. That's reality. I think friends going away and enjoying themselves. Shut the fuck up! You guys do it, don't you? I mean, come on. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

I'm going on vacation with two gorgeous smokes. Yeah, friends. We're just here for the company. It's a good time. You're an idiot. We love hanging out with Rich just to see how he's going to make

his next sweatshirt and see how he's inspired by the building structure. Don't even front. We have a lot of business conversations. That's mostly like we start businesses. We try to empower each other. So trust me, we're out there working. It's not all big K. That's a lot of business conversations. That's mostly like we start businesses. We try to empower each other. So trust me.

We're out there working. It's not all big K. It's a lot of empowering. You and a fucking couple smokes on a fucking private villa or something. You're an asshole. So keep doing your thing. We got a lot more coming out with the Viva line. Oh, not good.

You might be the bad luck charm, bro. What is this, two? No, we'll just knock just like another one oh is it called off offside oh thank god listen be on the lookout for more viva we got some comfortable clothes coming out we got some fire clothes coming out rich is now on board as like a lead designer like i said it's not just me and my dumb ideas it's rich coming through with uh all his thoughts. Take some credit, man. Go follow Richie Range. Just see the new stuff, and if they like it, they like it. If not, we're going to keep it pushing. Come on.

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