KFC Radio - Team Nightmare Reacts to Their Embarrassing Loss on the Dozen ft Holt McCallany

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

Subscribe, Rate, share, and leave a review! -Feits recalls the Oral History of Fast and Furious -(15:15) Jeff D Lowe and Kayce join to discuss Team Nightmare's performance on The Dozen -Top 5 Condiments -Voicemails (1:18:54) Holt McCallany stops by the show to talk about his role in Wrath of Man with Jason Statham. We discuss talk about his time playing Bill Tench in Mindhunter, how he got linked up with David Fincher, and whether or not he'd like to see Mindhunter return. Let us know what you think on twitter: @KFCRadio @KFCBarstool @Feitsbarstool @HoltMcCallany Watch on youtube: barstool.link/KFCRADIOYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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I feel like Fast and the Furious is your true therapy, John. It's what makes you happy. It's your happy place. You're just saying it kind of made me smile. Yeah, you did. It's real. And I was just drawing on the desk. And you was like, you know, you're kind of right. You're a little bit right there.

And we're on the verge of a fast line. We actually are. We are like, we got about a month and a half. Yeah, we're getting close. But that means you got to watch it. Yeah, I got to bang out eight fucking movies. Eight, yeah. Well, yeah, if we're not counting the spinoffs.

I got to watch fucking Calvin and Hobbes or whatever that one's called. But, you know, it's been a little bit of a hiatus. I feel like a little bit of a drought. And maybe that's why your mental health has been slipping, John. Maybe that's why you've needed BetterHelp to get you through the drought, to get you from fast eight to fast nine. You call up BetterHelp to get you through the drought, to get you from Fast 8 to Fast 9. You call up BetterHelp. BetterHelp is a mental health therapy source that you don't have to be in person.

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The trigger. It's not one of your problems, but it's a trigger that you haven't had your Dom Toretto and your Ludacris and your drifting and your cars and your family. Oh, this is like a good piece together. Yeah. Hobnob of ad-libs. These are the only words that I know about it. But BetterHelp can get you through the toughest of times, whether they're actual problems or that you

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Like I said, we're at the finish line here we're in the end game for f9 i i i was just reading an oral history i love oral histories love a good oral and uh nailed. Um, and, uh, it was just like, it was a lot of the stars talking about just like 20 years ago. Cause it's the 20th anniversary. It came out in 2001. And wow, it was, it's actually crazy.

I didn't know the whole story behind it. Like I didn't know it was born of this story and was born in it. And it's molded by it in In Vibe magazine called Racer X. And it actually took place in New York. And it was just a real article about underground street racing. Wow. Yeah. And they called.

And then some director got his hands on it. And then he was like, oh, he had just done The Skulls with Paul Walker. And he's like, Paul, I want to do this movie with you. And he was like paul i want to do this movie with you and he was like paul paul walker because there were also inserts of an interview with paul walker from 2007 or i'm sorry from fast seven from 2000 whatever where like they were just kind of interjecting his comments when they were asking the rest of the cast about similar comments okay so like anywhere it fit in it was just just like Paul Walker five years ago,

whatever he said. And his agent was like, Paul, absolutely not are you doing this movie. It was called Redline to begin with. And he's like, no chance of you doing this movie. And he's like, dude, I just get to hang out with cool people and I make a million dollars. I'm doing it. I'm just doing this movie.

Just so you know, I'm doing this movie. But there were a lot of cool reveals like a lot of cool review reveals and like a lot of cool like moments in the thing where they're talking about how like when they first filmed it everyone was a no one right like paul walker had some he had skulls he had skulls he was a pretty good varsity blues yeah um and it was like he was known but he wasn't no he wasn't paul walker he wasn't like that vin diesel was just a bald new asshole. Vin Diesel was the guy from Saving Private Ryan very briefly. Although they said when he met with the casting director,

Vin walked in and they were like, it was just like a spotlight was on him already. He knew he was a superstar. And it was just like, kind of like what we're talking about with Holt, where it's like just waiting for everyone else to catch up. He knew I'm a superstar. You guys will get here eventually.

But they – so when they were filming the first thing, they – no one knew who they were. They're filming in L.A. It wasn't supposed to take place in L.A. They ended up getting a new writer, and he's like, nah, this is an L.A. movie. And he actually had a cool comment where he's like, I wanted to be like L.A. street culture because this guy was from L.A. And he's like, that's why I wanted Asian people in it. And I wanted Mexican people in it. And I wanted black people in it. And I wanted white people in it.

And he's like, nowadays, we'd get accused of doing that for filling quotas. He's like, but that was just the reality. That was what happened in my neighborhood. We had these guys and these guys. I think he gave over. This guy, this thing. We had this white kid from East Los. We had this kid from this place.

All these terms I didn't know. Yeah. But I thought that was very cool but the coolest thing i saw was vin diesel talking about him and paul walker going to an illegal street race because like they were so anonymous they just could yeah go to an illegal street race yeah and they was out there and he's like he's like and then like the fucking helicopters came and i was like, I was a bouncer in New York at the time. And I was like, I don't ever see police helicopters. So him and Paul Walker started running down the highway. He's like, we're just getting chased by a fucking police helicopter.

And that was our – From there, we're like, all right, we are brothers. We're family. And he actually – Vin was like, I came into it with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed twin brother named Paul. So it wasn't that hard for me to be like, yo, family. We're family. We're good. Wow.

And one of the other cool things, he's talking about how they went down to. Did you look at this fucking guy beaming about this? They got a call where they were like, the movie's getting pushed back from March to June. And they were like, oh, what the fuck, man? We want to watch it now. And the studios were like, no, you goddamn idiots. It's a very good thing. This is going to be our summer blockbuster.

They're like, no, we want to watch it in March, dude. And he's like, so me and Paul had to go down to spring break, MTV spring break. That's how old this movie is. Yeah, they were still doing MTV. He's going to go down to MTV spring break and promote it he's like he's like and we're sitting on the floor of an airport in mexico and people are just stepping over us right and he's like he's like and i hit paul i was like soak this in because the last time ever this is the last time we ever own our own anonymity ever again and like he was right about

that that's so cool part of me part of me feels like when that happens that's when you get like fucked up when you go from like zero to happens, that's when you get fucked up, when you go from zero to 100 and you're not ready for it, your family's not ready for it, your whole life changes, you fuck it all up. I feel like it's a better slow ascent. But if it does happen that way and you're cocky enough to know it and you have that moment, no one's ever going to step over me ever a fucking game

two weeks from now. That's got to be a very cool moment. It's also a very depressing one. Like, like, like we're never going to own our own anonymity. Yeah. We'll never, we'll never be our, yeah. Alone. Uh, you know, but if you are the type of guy who is so confident that when you walk into auditions and shit, when you, it was probably a good moment for him where he was like, I

can't wait to never be anonymous again. Whereas I can't even imagine having that confidence that that that cocky swagger to be like this is it but you know what sucks when he's something awful awful awful that paul walker died in a fiery car that's one yeah the but that the original writer of like tell me he's one of these guys got like cut out of it he didn't get cut he was like do it he's like he i he's he's involved in this he's like i don't even like he said something like i don't even think i really got fucked it was just like no one knew what this was gonna be so i didn't ask for points on the back end i didn't ask for shit like this and that's us man so he's just like he did that one fast and furious movie and gets no money for the massive.

I mean, it's the most prolific. It's like Star Wars and Fast and the Furious. It's. However, how many? Harry Potter has like eight. Star Wars has, you know, 11. Harry Potter's got 10 now. Well, yeah.

But yeah. Yeah. So also, if you include Calvin Hobbes in that. There's 10 or less. Hobbes and Shaw. Don't they respect it? Actually, it doesn't. It's if I separate them as well. They're that. There's 10 or less. Hobbes and Shaw. Don't they respect it? Actually, it doesn't. I separate them as well.

They're different. Yeah, that's what I mean. They're very different. Nobody, like even the Harry Potter spin-offs are not, people don't really like them. They're not that good. And what is it like, I think best three people are like, we don't count that one or something like that?

There's one that we're like, we pretend it didn't happen, right? Because it didn't have like Paul Walker or something, right? It didn't have Paul Walker or Vin Diesel. Right, so that doesn't count so i know they came back around for three four five six seventy nine i personally don't count that one so what happened was fast one happened and then vin diesel was like i don't want to make a sequel he's like he's like this is sick this is like what we did here yeah they say like when they walked out they they always do

every for me it's pretty funny to treat that movie like you know leave, leave it alone. I mean, it's like – Come on. He's like, look, it's awesome. We're not talking about doing a fucking sequel to Schindler's List here, all right? But the – I guess they always do it – every premiere is done at this little, like, I don't know, outside L.A., like where the street car racing culture is alive. It's always done at their theater. And that's where they did the opening one. And they just kind of did their good luck one.

Yeah. And then they walked out and all the vatos and shit are racing their cars going nuts. And Vin was like, this is something special. It's already something special. And he's like, I just wanted to move on from it. So he did Triple X. And then Paul Walker did Too Fast, Too Furious. And then they were both gone for Tokyo Drift.

Although Vin has a little appearance at the end. Excuse me. And then they all came back after that. After that, they brought the bag, I'm assuming. I was going to say, yeah. When you can pay Ludacris and Tyrese and Dom and this and that. I mean, yeah. The money rolled out. They make like a billion dollars.

They're massive here. And those guys probably have equity in points and shit, right? Oh, I mean, Diesel definitely does. I'm sure Paul Walker's family does. I'm sure I would get that. You want to hear something pretty morbid? One of the best things for that franchise, business-wise, might have been Paul Walker's idea.

No, I completely disagree with that because it was already well on its way sure but i mean i think that the song and the the culture and the family it almost like art imitated life it like became i don't i think because it was fast five set it off again they came back they all came back before i'm not saying i'm not saying it made it i'm just saying it made it that much more yeah i don't know you know the movie itself they had to like write it into it and they had the song and the moment it was like i'm not saying it didn't have it made me like take note like i would never have even cared of anything about fast and furious ever but that almost like brought it to uh you know you took note of it even if you knew the movies or not you know yeah it had everything has

an effect it had an effect, no doubt. But Fast Five was a monster. Because that was when The Rock came. The Rock didn't come before. The Rock came for Five. And that. I still want to get to the bottom of The Rock and Vin Diesel. The only person in the world who has the balls to be like,

fuck Dwayne Johnson is Vin Diesel. He says he was a punk on set. Yeah. I mean. They did a whole movie together without ever shooting a scene together. That's awesome. And also, the Fast and Furious stuff, where they fucking...

Since they're all such A-list actors, where they have to do math, where producers have to do math, producers and directors have to do math for fight scenes. Like, oh, yeah, you have to hit the same amount of time and shit. If you go back and watch the movies, no one

clearly ever wins a fight. That's why they're all superstars. They have to go A for A in the sense that if he gets put through a table, I have to put him through a table. I have to get up and put him through a wall, he gets to put me through a wall. It's all A for A.

Are they going to space? Yes, they go to space in the preview, the preview the trailer well they're like in a flying car but you don't see them like leave the atmosphere with rockets and they have like helmets on and shit but like but i feel like they would be pumping it as like the one but i guess they know it's going to sell anyway so let it be like i think that's just a little taste it's like hey we if you put the pieces together here, we're in a flying boat with rocket ships. We go into space. They never had anonymity ever again.

Yeah, I mean, it's cinematic greatness right up there with Mindhunter. I like how you just give it to me. You haven't seen it. Yeah, I know. Well, listen, the proof is in the pudding. If you get nine fucking movies and two spinoffs, what can you tell? Oh, yeah, by the way. What can a Fast and Furious hater say at this point?

Talking spinoffs, I don't know if we've ever mentioned the fact that there's going to be a Paramount Plus show. They have a series coming? Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I believe it's Paramount Plus. There's definitely a series coming. I might come back around on hating it. All right, that's fucking enough.

You're telling me that we're going to get a goddamn Fast and the Furious show before we can get season three of Mindhunter? The fucking TV world needs to get their priorities straight. Okay? All right. So we got Holt McAllen, who is in Mindhunter, and he's in a new movie with Jason Statham. Statham has been in Fast and the Furious or no? He was the cop.

Oh, he's been in Fast and the Furious. Many of them and in the spin-offs. He's Shaw in Hobbs and Shaw. we should get holt in fast 10 he would he would fit right in holt would fucking run the show i was gonna say holt would come in and be like holt's gonna be guys a fucking lesson on lesson on act holt's gonna be the villain who ends the franchise imagine uh in space he blows them all up all right last night was the dozen trivia kevin is busy right now so it's just me and casey and jeff commissioner jeff commissioner jeff obviously yep uh yep things didn't go great

it was it was that was a this was the toughest one to keep under wraps. And we're, we're, we're talking about this on, on Thursday. So this still hasn't aired. Like this is, this is Tuesday currently when they're listening to this, right? Yes. Yes. But like, we're still like, I'm talking, I'm talking about it right now. We still have a couple of days to waste.

We're like inception timing you right now. But like, yeah, anyway, point is, this has been the hardest one to keep under wraps why because it's just so happy it's so shocking so mad too because like i i've been feeling really bad because the people who are like repping our shirts and being like team nightmare all the way i'm like they're gonna be so fucking sad casey john you're gonna get zero zero shit. You're not going to go, oh, look at me. No, because I fucking got the big point at the end. I got that shit. We celebrated that as if we won this fucking Super Bowl.

We really did. The celebration when he said last man standing was incredible. So for those who want to watch the rest of the tournament, this is I don't think this is the earliest any match ends, like goes final.

I think. That's a spoiler. Oh, I wouldn't know. This is the only one that you could classify as a blowout. But it is... When we wrote this match, I turned to my the two people who helped me write all the questions, and I said,

this is a hard match. I said, unintentionally, this is easily the hardest match I've ever written so far. There were two questions where, there were obviously one and two, but two that stick out to me were smallest stadium in the Pac-12. I think so, yeah. And then smallest stadium in the Big 12 or something like that.

I was like, I wouldn't even have a prayer on these. But yeah, it was until round four, there wasn't a point scored. This is crazy. The questions that we got wrong, I came out and asked Dan, because as a college football guy, college basketball guy, he didn't even know the answers.

Yeah, they were hard. Yeah, they were really fucking hard, Jeff. With that said, they still scored 14 points. They still scored, I think. Wait, that was a final, it was 14-2? 14-2, yeah. Well, I was thinking it was 11-2, which doesn't make it much better. No, team makes it way worse.

11 doesn't sound near as egregious. Shocking. Okay. Shocking. So where do you think? Not where do you think. Where does the commissioner now currently stand on cheating allegations against Team Nightmare? I stand very firm that ever since that first big allegations

where I gave cons the ban, I don't think anyone's done anything. Now, typically, Casey, you're the one that catches shit, and I think people have made up their mind that you have people helping you in your apartment are just going to always think that. They're always just going to think that. And there's no...

But cons did enough. He had a tough argument with Brandon that made me kind of skeptical in person in the office. And that's why he got banned. He knows it too. Whether he did or not, that was karma. It was the most karma. I've never seen karma hit like that in my life. Boy, did it smack us right in the fucking face.

Well, because I was honestly confident that we were going to go on a good run. I thought you guys were Chicago. That's the thing. I actually – so I actually got a ton of shit. Like, you knocked Chicago out of the turn. People think I, like, rigged it against Chicago. I was confident that you or Chicago would make the final. Like, the rest of my team wasn't confident.

They were like, why? You were tweeting, why is John so confident? You've been playing well. I've been playing real well. I woke up and I was like, I'm feeling fucking dangerous today. I got a fucking text message in our group text, it was just me, John, and Cons at like 7.45am. John doesn't wake up

ever at 7.45am. And he was like, what did you say? I'm like the cock of the walk or some bullshit? Probably, I don't remember the walk or some bullshit. Probably. I don't remember. Good term. Nobody knows that term. Well, nobody uses it anymore because it's 2021. I like that.

I like that. And he was so confident that it immediately made me super unconfident. I thought you actually were going to steamroll them. I did too. I mean, they were a very good team.

I will admit that. No, they weren't though. I was impressed when Dante had like... Hank guessed lasagna. Okay. Well, Hank did. Oh, that was team. I will admit that. No, they weren't, though. I was impressed when Dante had like a – Hank guessed lasagna, okay? Well, Hank did. Oh, that's true. I already forgot. Dante guessed Texas for country flags, okay?

Like, let's not act like they were just like coming out swinging, okay? It was stunning. I was – and I haven't actually watched the whole match since it happened, and we're about to start – like, again, this is not in real time. We're like all over the place time and time again. We don't know how bad people actually are yet. So, yes, you've watched it. You've watched it already if you're listening.

We actually haven't edited it yet. So I haven't rewatched it since as we're standing right now talking on May 13th. I'm excited to see my facial expressions because I was legitimately floored. I was stunned. Were you that surprised? I could not believe it. So that's what I'm saying. I still stand by, I still ride with Team Nightmare.

I still stand by my squad. I definitely don't think there was any cheating lately. No, there definitely wasn't. I don't know if there was any cheating ever, but lately there definitely wasn't. I don't know if there was any cheating ever, but lately I definitely don't think so. I don't know if there was early on. I don't think so. I stand with my squad, but...

It's just a really bad look. I'll say this. I don't fault anyone who thinks it. No, no, you absolutely can't. Okay, so here's the thing. We said this going in. So, of course, our three dumbasses like we're like oh how are we gonna get ready for the the trivia tournament we went across the street you

started ripping shots of vodka like complete assholes like so we're sitting there i'm like okay i know we had three drinks it's not like we came in there stumbling bumbling we had we all had a beer a shot and a half uh i think i yelled you at one point you were banging the table through it i was like i think that's think that's going to ruin all the microphones. You probably can't do that. The two options were, you know, that if we did make it through, that we were going to play Kirk, which had Rico, because Rico got dumped because he wouldn't play cons.

Right. That was the big thing. That was going to be great for content. I'm making the argument here, Jeff, that us losing that way is going to be way better for content. Oh, absolutely. We're going to get shit on. You guys versus Rico.

So now that match, I think, airs later. I think that match airs the 20th. I don't know what it is. It's Misfits versus Kirk. So now the Rico-Khan thing just doesn't happen. Right. Which is crazy that Rico, in the end, avoided it completely. Did you know that John tried to pay

Dante to take a fall? I didn't try and pay Dante. Dante asked me for a favor and I said, I'll give it to you if you take a fall tonight. You were going to bring burgers in if you played. If we played Rico, there was talk of burgers coming in in the middle of the match. Which I would not have had anything to do with because...

I don't even... I don't know what would have happened. It might not have happened. It was just, you know, we're just throwing things out. What could happen? How could you get in another team's head, such as texting them the morning of and him saying, hey, can you do me a favor for this thing I'm doing? And I would say, well, yeah, sure, if you don't win tonight.

And then we just scored two total points. Yeah, it was two. We didn't answer one of our own questions right. What do you mean? Like, right? I think you missed. Both of them were on steals, right? No, I think you actually answered your own question.

Again, I haven't looked at it. Oh, the last one was our question. The last one was our question. The first one was Kate and Leopold. That was it. Yeah, so you missed. We didn't even get our own category. So the 9c gen xyz

large vibs and jake marsh set a record they had 11 of their own 12 questions and you guys set a record you hit you missed 11 out of 12 you missed your first 11 fucking scene 11 questions now um do we know when the next round starts or next season starts? Next season will start. I don't know the exact date because we're going to take two weeks to kind of figure out what we can do to improve it and organize it. Because this all kind of came together so. And one of those things won't be kick out team night. No, you'll be kicked out. Oh, no. We are the villains.

You have to be in. That was really the whole point of this. We have to be in. And not only do we have to be, we're going back to our home setups, right? Yeah, but I'm going to make you guys do your next match probably from the radio room. No, no, no, no, no, no. If Kahn's is cheating, let him cheat the regular season and let us get to the tournament and fail again. I know he definitely hasn't cheated lately at all.

He's standing up in the middle of his apartment. He hasn't. I think for your sake, you should do it from the radio room and have a good match. Do people think I'm just living in some sort of brothel at my apartment? People think you have an earpiece in, so you should probably put your hair back. An earpiece? You should be giving— I don't even know how to make an IFB work from my apartment.

You should win and squash it quick. And then all along the being, it's just one very embarrassing match. It was karma whether he cheated or not and i know people who think he did or like they scream because like are you fucking how do you fucking still say that like i just i legitimately don't have like i just don't have definitive proof i have some damning evidence based on his argument with brandon that just makes him look really bad. And that's why I suspended him. I was like, I can't. I can't not. You just sound so guilty, whether you know it or not.

I just had to suspend him. And he accepted it. He accepted the suspension. He didn't complain about it. And he came back and he played. And he loves playing the dozen. And I appreciate that. He loves coming on.

He knows he's going to get completely shit on every time. And he keeps playing. He is going to have a tough. Now, again it's gonna be on before it all comes out captain cons i hope you are not reading your twitter mentions it's gonna be insane when john and i walked out we were just dying laughing because it was so fucking bad cons was so rattled and i was like listen like you just might as well turn your phone off for a day. If you're going to get rattled now... It's going to be ugly. Social media is going to be tough.

And it should be. We were humiliated. As I said, I will fault no one. There is no response that would be ridiculous. Celeb mashups were definitely the hardest, if I recall. But even Maid of Honor, I was shocked.

Maid of Honor? I came out, I think Ken Jack was also very surprised. I'd never seen that one. I didn't know Maid of Honor at all. I'm going to pull up. No, the smallest basketball arena in the Pac-12. I mean, the arena thing I did on purpose. I gave Khan's arena.

I had to. Like, I had to give him arena. Well, here's the thing. I knew TCU for the Big 12, and then I was trying to do process of elimination with the Pac-12, and I just forgot about Stanford. Like, I said every other team, and you actually said that. You were like, the one team you didn't mention is the answer. You basically said everybody bought the right answer.

I'm trying to pull it off. I also actually didn't know Kate and Leopold. I didn't know either of our questions. I knew Kate and Leopold, but I didn't know Maid of Honor, obviously. Oh, we also missed the— what was the bonus round for us? Bonus round was close. Landlocked states. And we just kept naming states that are not landlocked.

No, no. We only got one wrong. The description was weird off the top because we had to kind of redefine because the Great Lakes – it was basically states that don't border an ocean. Oh, no. Late in the match, I was still trying to pull Alabama, Georgia. I was still going – Oh, you were saying them,'t we weren't putting them in no we i think i think we went

to like triple overtime on that or something like that that one went pretty far yeah it was like states that don't border an ocean is what we ended up i said it wrong when we said it but the question that we were very sure on was the rick porcello one i i had never been more confident in you answering that question both rick porllo and R.A. Dickey. You got Kate and Leopold. You got the steel on your knees. The other side got both music. Oh, yeah.

They got both music, and then they got... What was our music one? I forget what it was. I had never heard of it. No, I knew the song, but I had never heard of the band. Right, right. We sang the song. And they got Italian food,

and then they didn't miss one question the rest of the way. They got all the remainder of their own questions, and you guys. By the way, Jeff, I have a bone to pick with you, as a matter of fact, now that you're bringing this up. You let people do niche, niche, whatever categories that were so specific, but you told them. No. Romantic comedies is pretty fucking specific. No, no. You let Roan do battle rap

But that's very wide ranging Not really Romantic comedies from the late 2000s Late 90s or 2000s That's a pretty I would make the argument that John wanted to do Taylor Swift Taylor Swift is bigger than battle rap No, but Taylor Swift's one person

Battle rap is a whole entire thing But it's the whole thing that no one knows about You can do folk music, but it's one person. Battle rap is a whole entire thing. But it's the whole thing that no one knows about. You can do folk music, but that's just Roan knows it. We are changing the niche up, but that's kind of the advantage of Roan. I see both sides of this. Coley made this argument, I think, during their match where he was saying that

Simpsons is wide-ranging, and you were like, yeah, but it's one single show and one single artist. You should let us do however specific you want. I see. I waver on this one. I get both sides of it. No. We should be able to do the most specific things that we want. No. Well that actually is changing. You will

next year. A little bit. Niche categories can be way different. Gotta do succession. But you guys were very good at at romantic comedies, too. So it's not like you weren't. Hans was studying movie posters the night before. And we still didn't find it. That's why he was made of honor.

I couldn't believe he missed. He got Kate and Leopold. Yeah, you guys ended up getting your last point on Last Man Standing with Tim Allen. Yeah, that was big. That was a fucking good point to get. Just because we had a good reaction. We were having fun. Well, we knew how. I mean, that was big. That was a fucking good point to get just because we had a good reaction. We were having fun. Well, we knew how...

I mean, it was over way before that, but we also knew that we didn't want to... Yeah, that was the very end of the match, and it looked like we were dancing on their graves. We couldn't only score one point. I mean, we just simply... They were just getting... They got movie years.

They got sort the flags. They got arenas, and they just got so many things. Listen, it was embarrassing. There's really nothing else to say. They got sort the flags. I think we got lucky with one because I think we had Nicaragua. And we knew it because it said Nicaragua on the flag.

So we just knew where N is probably going to be in the middle. And then we gave two different answers. You got Christina Appleggate and jason bateman yeah and then the bateman was a hard one because the bateman was like it was long hair longer that's not the way he looks yes it is that that that's i remember him looking like that it's just it's just not how i ever think of him looking you missed elizabeth banks and colin firth on the steel yeah who does that said pierce morgan on that yeah which i was colin firth oh he's in...

Colin Firth, very famous. And actually, oh my God, I mean, I gave you a... He's like a rom-com guy in many cases. Yeah. You'll know who Colin Firth is. It was, I mean... I mean, he's a Mamma Mia guy.

We're talking about one or two points here or there. You lost by 12. Yeah. And they actually only stole three of the ones you missed. They weren't even that great on the other side. We did it for content, Jeff. We humiliated ourselves for content. Yeah, I mean.

We took one for the team. Yeah. We did. Also, like, the fact that Nick made our logos the Astros logos is so fucking funny. It's a cool logo, though. But people, like, didn't realize that it was the Astros. You didn't realize it, did you? I didn't realize it until someone said it to my face.

It might have been you. I think it was. I was like, yeah, we were wearing the Astros logos because everyone thinks we cheated. Yeah, the bonus round went to triple overtime, and you lost. The first wrong answer was your answer. Yeah. Yeah, we won. I think you said somebody that was already on the list.

Yeah. I think it was Kentucky, and Kentucky was already on the board. But whatever. It's been a great tournament so far. I'm very much looking forward to. The fact that Kahn's isn't here is damning, too. I mean, Kahn's couldn't really. We kind of just did this on a whim.

You mentioned. I was trying to make it seem like he refused to be on the podcast. You mentioned Coley. Coley takes on the experts next, Brandon, KFT, and Fran. That's going to be on the week before Memorial Day, the Monday. And I guess if you're listening at this point, there's a bunch of matches you haven't seen. Tune in.

It is top-notch content. Congratulations to Jeff. The dozen is awesome. Congrats to the show. I think you guys played a shitload of times. I've been very adamant about that. I appreciate the praise, but it's been a pretty large team effort here the face gets the credit the face is here thank you very much yeah sparklers got me got me shit here so i don't

appreciate the fucking sparkler i mean you guys you guys played many times and you guys don't i don't think you guys ever said no i i like i i didn't like when i wasn't asked i was like what the fuck i wasn't asked this week. You'll be one of the first probably four matches in the next season. Absolutely. All from home, Jeff. All from home. All right. Thank you very much.

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today is top five condiments number one pick craft mayo oh you did it you went for it huh i alluded to it mayonnaise is the pick the pick is in i don't need the full 10 minutes. Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise. It is not just a spread for the sandwich. It is a base for a lot of other things. First of all, let me just take you down a little road called Chipotle mayo, sriracha mayo, whatever mayo. It's a good base to add some other spices to that all of a sudden you have an entire new spread. Also, let me put you onto something like a little bit of a dip I used to make. I used to make a dip that was a block of cream cheese, a bag of shredded cheese, a bunch of bacon, and mayonnaise.

Delicious. Delicious. But these are things that you need mayonnaise for. So on top of putting it on your turkey sandwich or your bologna sandwich, it's not much whiter than that. Wonder Bread Mayonnaise Bologna,. It's not much whiter than that. Wonderbread mayonnaise bologna. Whitest sandwich on the planet Earth. But as I've learned, I used to think that it was a cultural thing just for the white folks.

And as I've learned, there are plenty of people of all of all ethnicities that enjoy the mayonnaise. Yeah, they do it with less gusto. Right. They don't make it like, you know, you know, when they say, you know, liking mayonnaise is not a personality trait. But, yeah, to me, it's the superior sandwich topping, condiment. Okay, so I am... I have an asshole answer that I'm going to give at some point in this show, just so you know, you're going to hate it. No fucking kidding.

But number one, off the rip, I will take hot sauce. Because like Hillary Clinton, I keep hot sauce in my bag. You've said that a hundred times in the last month. It's funny how much it's worked its way in. For some reason, whenever I talk about hot sauce, I got to talk about Hill. Got to reference Hill Dog. It just comes out. It is. It just comes out. It is.

It's a weird, it's very odd how it actually has, it's worked its way into, like, just the standard lexicon now. Yeah. Like, Hot Sauce in My Bag swag is, like, that's a Hillary Clinton thing. It's not a Beyonce thing. No, she took it from Bay, you know? And she was mocked at, And it's still mocking, obviously.

But there's a part of it, I think, that's more just like more genuine. It just happens. I think it's got the Chet Hanks treatment where it's not as 100% mocking now. Right. We're kind of laughing with you about it. Just keep that motherfucking thing on me like Hillary. All right. My next pick, I'm going to go with...

I haven't given this much thought. I am just letting this fly. Top condiments. I'll go two. I'll take my second one right now. Oh, you're going to snake it? Okay. How about that?

Unless you take something I was going to take. I was going to use the one I hate. Okay, go ahead. No, the one you're going to hate. Okay. My number two favorite condiment, because a condiment is technically something you just dip things in, would be Gatorade. And what do you dip in Gatorade? Oh, Coach Bill Belichick.

Fuck you. Boo! Boo this man. Throw tomatoes and lettuce at the... Oh, my God. You don't dip Bill in it. You pour it on him. You dumped mayonnaise on something. Guess what? You used it as a in it. You pour it on him. You dumped mayonnaise on something.

Guess what? You used it as a condiment. You are a colossal asshole. I mean, you put ketchup, you squirt ketchup onto a burger. That's a condiment. It's more like if you were to put it on top of the fries.

When people just put ketchup on top of their fries. People with chaotic evil energy. Yeah, that's like you just want to watch the world burn if you spread the ketchup on top of your fries. All right, I'll go. I mean, I can't believe we're just not taking ketchup, too, here. I mean. You are? Yes.

Oh, okay. I'm going to go ketchup. Because you looked like you were giving it more thought. No, no, no. It's ketchup. Ketchup is the answer. Tried and true. Old faithful.

Americana. You need it on your burger. You need it on your fries. You don't need it. Again, half of, you know, I have my mayo. Now I have my ketchup. Mix them together. Now I have my Thousand Islands.

So, like, I, you know, you need those two things. It's like, you know, mix them up and you create a whole other creation. So, mayo or ketchup is, while not exactly, it's a safe pick. And that's okay. Yeah, it's a safe pick. Trying to think of something else off I can say. I'm just not

going to do it. I will go three. Not what everyone thinks I'm going to say. Not going to do what you all think I'm going to do. Say come. I'm going to say not going to do what you all think I'm going to do say come I'm going to go pickles I'm sorry relish

I think relish I was about to veto pickles to be honest relish when you take none of the people will just do relish at the cookout kind of deal it's usually like at the only times I really have relish is at, like, a ballpark dog. You know what I mean?

Like, I don't have relish very often. Oh, I'm not talking about on dog. I'm talking burgers. I know, but I'm saying, but the only times you really have it is then, you know? It's not as a condiment I keep in my house regularly.

It's not readily available. Yeah. But it is one that when you... Like, I get it at Five Guys. Do a little bit of sweet. It's a little sweet, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That takes the burger to another level. It changes the burger. You completely realize. Because if you just go, there's some other condiments that you can just have on some kind of mix of them all. And it all tastes about the same. Right. When you put pickles, relish on it, you know. Yeah.

I done did something different. Yeah. And I feel like Chicago does it very often. But most places, you break out the relish. And it's like, whoa. A serious cookout. Whoa. I am going to go with the pick of the draft.

Old Bay seasoning. Old Bay. Now. Is so fire. But you just called it a seasoning. Seasoning's not a condiment? I wouldn't say so. I would say so.

Like, I put, like, Southwest seasoning on, like, chicken when I cook it sometimes. All right. Well, I mean, you know, an Old Bay fucking... Now, I'm sure there is an Old Bay sauce out there. Yeah, that's what I mean. But if we're going to say Old Bay seasoning, I don't... I don't think I have a problem with any seasoning. If you wanted to take salt, I'd let you take it.

Really? I think of a condiment as a, you know, a garnish to your food that enhances it. I mean, you're not wrong. I mean, I will acknowledge there's obviously a difference. So what are you saying? So the differentiation would have to be that it's like a liquid? Or a cream of sorts. Right.

It can't be like a crystal type of thing? Yeah, it can't be a crystal. It has to be a goo. Well, can I take an Old Bay cream then? Yeah. I think they exist. I think there was like, I'm sure in fucking Maryland, Twitter went nuts one day because it was like,

oh, the best thing ever in the world. That's fine. Old Bay, what? According to Wikipedia, a condiment is a spice sauce or a preparation that is added to the food. Then that flies. Seasoning is included. I'll give it to you.

I'll give it to you. And I think it does fly. I'm not just giving it to you. I'm agreeing. Yeah. But I think that there are people who will also rightfully disagree. Yeah, and I wouldn't fight you on that, but it's my fucking show. I also think that Old Bay is a thing that is a victim of its own success.

It gets so hyped up, and you say things like, oh, fucking Maryland. They put it on everything. They don't shut the fuck up about it. But it's fucking fire. And when you get up, have you ever had Old Bay Wings? Hype Lounge. Remember that place? Hype Lounge used to do Old Bay Wings that were out of this fucking world.

Only place I've ever had that. I don't remember. I remember Hype Lounge. It's like? Hype Lounge used to do Old Bay wings that were out of this fucking world. Only place I've ever had them. I don't remember. I remember Hype Lounge. It was like a dry rub or whatever they call it where instead of the buffalo, it was Old Bay. And they were – it takes a lot for me to get other wings flavored than buffalo. I usually just get buffalo wings. And the Old Bay, I did it every fucking time. Man.

All right. I'm going to go – I'm just going to stick with the things I use. Yeah. And that's going to be mustard. Bah! Like, I honestly don't have a solidly prepared. I thought to myself, I can get Old Bay with the last pick of the draft. I just know you're not going to think you're not thinking that.

But I want to be tried and true to, like, I want it to be a higher pick. You know what I mean? But I should have taken mustard. Because you know why? It's a great bagel spread. That's why. you know why? It's a great bagel spread, that's why. Oh, true. It's a great bagel spread. You're right.

Your pick. Cream cheese. Fuck! I was trying to get you to pick before you could tell me. As soon as you said it, I was like, oh, I know what that means. Cream cheese, you know, and this is going to be highly contested too. I mean, what else would you call cream cheese if it's not a condiment? A spread?

But a spread's a condiment. Oh, yeah. No, it's a condiment. Yeah. Cream cheese is a condiment. I would, I'm not going to argue against myself here, but if I were to, I would maybe make the argument that a condiment needs to be squeezed out of a bottle. What do you think about that?

You can do that with cream cheese. I've squeezed cream cheese out of bottles and boxes and bags plenty of times. You've never got cream cheese out of a bottle. A bottle? A bottle, I'm thinking like, not a bottle, but it's like a canister. So not a bottle.

A canister? I squeeze it out of bags. Like a plastic cup? A bag? Cups all the time. I mean, Philadelphia cream cheese just comes in cups. Bags, bags, bags, bags. What?

Philadelphia cream cheese. The full loaf of cream cheese comes in a bag. Oh, like that silver bag? Yeah. That comes in the brick? Yeah, exactly. Okay. We have that in our house.

I think that's more of just like a foil cover. It doesn't come in a bag. It comes in a box. But we pull it open like that. Yeah, and you kind of just squeeze it. You cut a corner and squeeze it like it's a bakery thing. Yeah, cream cheese. Cream cheese is strong. And then I'm going to go blue cheese.

Fuck, I didn't think of blue cheese. I didn't miss blue cheese. I didn't think of blue cheese until we said cream cheese. I told you I didn't prepare for this. This whole draft was just us reminding each other of another thing so wait do i have one more yeah uh i guess i'll go with the almighty ranch you know ran i was

gonna go if i had another pick i was gonna go mango habanero oh wow you were going deep in your bag there i think i'll take if i can't have blue cheese i will take ranch you know i prefer if i'm eating wings it's blue cheese i know that's a big debate. In my mind, it's not. Blue cheese is the answer. But I go to a place called Bar Coastal. Their ranch there is so good that I actually prefer their ranch over their blue cheese. Bar Coastal is a chain, right? A chain within the city?

Or is it just I always see the same Bar Coastal? The only one I know is on like 78th and 1st. Yeah, I don't think. I feel like there's one. I feel like there's more than one Barco still Their wings and their fucking ranch is amazing And then they have the waffle fry to go with it

I get tubs of the ranch from there And it's not blue cheese But it's It's good, so Ranch final answer So let us know your top five condiments What we missed, what we wrong What's

your definition of a condiment? And I'm sure we can debate this one until the cows come home. I almost... This is where I used to live. Well, that's why I think you are thinking of it so much. You probably used to see it just all the time. I used to go there all the time, but I just could have

sworn I've been to other ones. It's a good bar. A lot of TVs. The whole thing is bi-coastal, bar-coastal. I haven't spent much time on the Upper East Side since I lived there 10 years ago. But I could have sworn I'd seen them elsewhere. Again, I'm probably wrong. I was going to pick an aioli. I like a good aioli, but that's kind of mayo. Kind of mayo.

Mix that up with some oil. Also left off my list. Oh, fuck. Wait. Kind of mayo. Mix that up with some oil. Also left off my list. Oh, fuck. Wait. Very specific one. Chipotle Southwest sauce from Subway. One of the greatest condiments of all time. Really?

One of the greatest condiments of all time. So I can get specific too because my mango habanero was from Domino's. Okay. You dip the kickers in there? Yes, sir. Yeah, but I know what you're talking about. All right. Let's do our voicemails. You can just feel it stick Yes, sir. Yeah, but I know what you're talking about. All right, let's do our voicemails.

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My mom's chocolate sauce. There's a lot. A little cream cheese frosting. I can do it with my cream cheese. Make the red velvet. Ooh, the red velvet. So good. Red velvet factory explosions.

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Thanks. That was quick. I didn't have my headphones on yet. There's something about hockey players or football players. Hey there, who's a better athlete? Hockey players or football players? Yeah. So the question is simply, who's better athletes, hockey players or football players?

You know, football is too much of a specialization. You know what I mean? Yeah, because football players just do their thing. But it's like a wide receiver oftentimes would be super fast, can run, can jump. But they all are. Like linemen. Sure. If you look at what linemen's like 40 times, oh, Jesus, I figured he was much slower than that.

Despite just considering the fact that he's 400 pounds. But but then you look like a quarterback where it's like you know they're a great thrower and they're a great athletic at their position but are they as like can they run jump and move as gracefully and like quickly and strong as a hockey player you know that you get into that whole debate whereas a hockey player aside from maybe a goalie uh they're all doing the same sort of thing. You know what I mean? Football, you're doing your individual skill. I would say, but also if we're talking about specialized skills, skating is one of them.

And the hand-eye coordination is out of this fucking world. Yes, that is true. And hockey player, you see it with a lot of different sports. I always just think when a team shows up to baseball and they show them taking BP, and I'm like, Sidney Crosby can hit home runs? Yeah. What are you talking about? But sometimes don't hockey players look like total spazzes?

Hockey players definitely have, but I think less so than football players. Yeah, football players. I'm thinking of, like, I forget. The worst is soccer players. When Neymar was taking those cuts, remember that? Oh, I'm thinking of throwing first pitches. Oh, okay. Neymar taking batting practice was insanity.

Sidney Crosby literally hit a home run. Like, just put one deep. I don't think Sidney's even ever played baseball. Right. Wooden bat the whole night. I would guess he didn't really grow. I mean, they have it in Canada, obviously. But I would guess he didn't really play that much baseball.

Right. I mean, you're asking someone who had an argument with Jay Cutler that I'm more athletic than Jay Cutler. We know your answer. I think we know what I'm going to say here. I still stand by that argument. Not the argument as a whole. How about this for an answer?

On average hockey, yes, but the supreme athlete will be in football. I think that's pretty fair. I think if you pulled a high school hockey team versus a high school football team, the hockey team is more athletic. But there's probably one star on the football team

that would probably be able to do everything. Yeah, because also on a football team, you're going to get 40, 50 kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just thinking, you know, you hear the stories about the Wolf Forks and these guys who are huge, but also happen to have hands,

and they're quick, and they can jump, and they can dunk, and they can – and it's just like, oh, fuck. I think if you polled random kids – because, again, if we're talking professionals, then it's like – it gets weird. They're all very, very, very, very athletic. Right, right. But if you're talking about just like high school kids, I think rather regularly I would put my money – if they did a Marty Mush, Deion Sanders type thing, I'd put my money if they did a Marty mush, Deion Sanders type thing. Yeah. I'd put my money on the hockey team.

Cause the hockey, you're going to have like a lot of the strength training of football with a lot of like the agility training of basketball. It's kind of like a little bit of everything. Brendan's fan. I think it was Brendan's fan. Maybe Steve Weissman is one of the, one of the old nineties Red Wings had a quote where it was like very over

the top. If we're being honest, but I remember I loved it when I was a high school hockey player. And it was like hockey players need to have the agility of a tennis player with the speed of a this, the blank of a that, with the power of a this. Might as well. And mind you, the entire time we're on blades that are one-eighth of an inch thick on the slipperiest surface in the world or whatever.

Right, right, right. It's a little dramatic. Right, but it's a flex. Like is Wayne Gretzky, was he like a great great athlete was he like shredded and like could he do other things or was he just a fucking sick hockey player i would always look kind of goofy to me like but he's probably i mean like so here's a good example patrick mazica i this guy yeah he's my favorite met he's got two walk-offs with no hits. It's incredible. Two walk-off RBI, no hit.

Every time he gets his shirt ripped off and he looks like me. Was he covered in eggs last night? I think so. In the locker room. I think he must have hit him with eggs. Yeah. He's a stoolie. He's awesome.

Kind of sparked the team. They're on a run right now. Last night or tonight? Whatever it was. Last night was one. A couple nights ago was the team. They're on a run right now. Last night or tonight, whatever it was. Last night was one, a couple nights ago was the other. And then fans were trying to talk shit, like seeing him shirtless, being like worst athletes in all sports.

And he replies with videos of him dunking. He's a fucking athlete. He's a professional baseball player. So obviously Gretzky being the greatest hockey hockey player ever i'm sure is an athlete but within within the realm of greatest athlete in a sport he just never looked i don't know maybe it was because he had this like mullet and this canadian shit or whatever but he it didn't i i never think of gretzky as like this intimidating athlete i know i'm gonna get crushed for saying that but you know i'm saying no i get i get exactly what you're saying, and I think guys

have just gotten too gay. And they're like, I don't want to fuck you. You can't be an athlete. You've got to have muscles and abs and arrows. That's not what the models I like to look at look like. Think about the dailies

of the world. Look at fucking Tom Brady. Tom Brady doesn't have a fucking Tom Brady, dude. Tom Brady, like, doesn't, he doesn't have, like, a fucking, he has muscles on his body, but, like, it's not his definition. Then that popcorn muscle bullshit. Yes, there are some athletes who look like absolute fucking freaks. Yeah. We have, like, DK Metcalf or someone like that. But then, like, I do.

The MMA guys are, like, monsters, you know. But even a lot of MMA guys, they get in the ring, they're like, fat dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Like, it's like. Some of them, some of them are some of them some of them are abby yeah like some of them are just really skinny like right like you could just be anything and be athletic just be yeah all that you look like in the fucking mirror has nothing to do with your athletic absolutely and there are guys who are like the fastest guys who can be like you know average looking white guys you can be not not defined but you're strong as long as you're coordinated and fast and quick.

We all just fucking grew up rubbing the fucking washboard abs of a G.I. Joe being like, this is what a man looks like. Yeah, that's athleticism. No, man, that's what fucking, like, male model TikTok dancers look like. But yeah, I would take the hockey team in a, like, you know, seven-sport competition every single time, and that's almost strictly

because the football team would quit halfway through the basketball game every time. Because playing hockey, playing basketball against hockey players is the worst. They just fucking like attack you. Absolute nightmare. Yeah. Yeah.

You're just constantly getting hit, fucking slapped. Like it is. It is. And like I played hockey and I hated playing basketball with my hockey friends. Like why are we doing this? This is so stupid.

We just keep hitting each other. None of us know what we're doing. We're not going to call fouls because we feel like that's a fucking – Pussy move. We haven't hit puberty yet. We can't knock our masculinity already. Let's just fucking go play video games or something. It sucks.

Let's just go play hockey. Let's do that. All right, next. KFC, Fight, Zach, Jackie, Nick, what's up? Quick question. So I just saw the clip of Fight holding PFT's hair back while he was vomiting and then proceeded to vomit himself. And just one of the word is-time great but weirdest fuck moves.

So this question is more for KFC because fights, I'm hoping that's as weird as you've ever done. But what's the weirdest thing you've ever done while vomiting? All right, Viva. Shit. You shot him, Pete. Disaster, man. The double Barbossa.

That's where my mind went. Yeah, the double Barbossa could kill him. Really? Yeah. We were both making out. Me and this girl were both like... Shit face. We were both making out, both puking.

Like you would kiss, puke, come back? Yeah. Oh, that's disgusting. We both just found ourselves in the woods puking. We left the party. You too? Let's get intimate. Trust me, we're not in the woods puking like we left the party like you too you know let's get in my man let's get intimate trust me we're not in the woods but we're like you know we're a little

removed from the parties but we're like yeah and i was like oh hey girl you've been like a little kiss oh you taste like he was reaching over grabbing her ass a little bit we might as well become romantic right now yeah that's that was... Nothing more than trauma bonding. We're going to get through this together, girl. I would say that was probably it. It wasn't full makeup. You know what it is? Just because I haven't done it in so long, just drink until you puke.

What a move. What a move as a relative adult human. You're in control of yourself. You make your own decisions, and you're like, I'm just going to poison myself until my body rejects it, until the point of puking. Yeah, I mean.

And you know what we call that? Fun. That's a good time. That's a great night. Memories, man. We used to do case races in college where that was just like, it was encouraged. Stan, puke and rally. It was just like, hey, if you've got to puke, just puke in the yard.

Absolutely. And it became like drink till you puke competitions where people were projectile vomiting. One of the most fun parties I've ever been to. If you take away the stigma of this is bad. Yes, then it's okay. It's great. Then it's okay. It was part of our hazing in my frat.

It was the only part I had to take part in. But it was just like the night. I don't think it was initiation. I forget what it was, to be honest. I had to drink until I puked. But it was like you, in order to leave the house to go to the party, you had to puke. You can't go to the party until you puke. Yeah, that's not flying anymore.

That's not happening anymore. But everyone got a bottle from there, big. Yeah, so it must have been initiation night or whatever. And it was just like, here you go. I'm sure he got me a bottle of whiskey or something. And I just drank the whole thing and was just standing there. Yeah, I don't want to puke, guys. Yeah, sorry.

That's badass. Guess I'm not going to the party, you fucking pussies. No one else like who like none of the other pledges had like even gotten through like a quarter of their bottle and i was like i'm done and i think i'd like to go to the party please i feel like the the the president was like like like like he's luke skywalker like he's the one we've been waiting for the highlander is here there can only be one and then don't get me wrong i i was allowed to go i eventually puked a lot and it was probably the drunkest person at the party

because i never puked out that initial bottle of whiskey i had to drink right right yeah they were probably all puking because of like taste and like a gag reflex you you needed to get into your system and get into your bloodstream and then your body rejected it with everything else that you drank just a little bit later don't worry it just take a minute to catch up. Don't worry. It was fun, though. Yeah, it was. Everyone had a trash barrel, one of those big gallon barrels, a little barrel. Everyone just stood there in the fucking

chapter room. It just waited and I was just like... It's not like this one. You can take it away. It's just not going to happen, guys. I'll just jump in the car if you don't mind. I'll head to the party. Thank you very much. It's just a different time, you know?

It feels like a different life. Just like, yeah. Just drink till you puke. Dude, that wasn't even like the thing that people like. That wasn't a bad one. That was like, we were like in suits and ties. Off of the course. It was like, but there were other bad ones where you had to be like sitting around.

This wasn't in our fraternities like we heard about other fraternities we're like the you had like puke on your brother next to you and then like he had to start drinking and the other guy couldn't start drinking like it was just like you'd all sit around like covered in you like absolutely not absolutely fucking not in no world you could be like you're gonna have no friends for the next four years and I'd be like okay I forget if you were in diapers or tiny whiteys or whatever if being cool and having friends means getting puked on wearing diapers I don't want friends

see you fuck it later it would be awful for me cause guess what I wouldn't end up puking on the other guy I'd be like I'm just gonna sit here covered in puke it sucks puke or get puked on the other guy. I'd be like, I'm just going to sit here covered in puke because it sucks. Puke or get puked on. Oh my God, that's fucking vile.

Yeah, I mean, making out with a chick, shitting, what are you doing with puking? I'm sure there, you know, I know there are girls

who will say sucking a guy's dick. Sucking a dick, yeah. I've seen it. Yeah, it's probably about the big three yeah I wish I had a different one I think my two are pretty gross

they're pretty god I mean I'm definitely pissed and puked too but that's not that gross getting it all out next up yo what's up ksc fights jackie nick the rest i've got a hypothetical for you guys today uh i saw this one on twitter thought you guys could have fun with it if you didn't have to do any of these pencils for life but you still could would Would you? For that, we're talking, you know,

pitch, shit, eat, drink water, whatever. So, yeah, curious to hear your thoughts. So if we didn't have to do any of the essentials to, like, stay alive? I'd probably go breathe. You know what I think about very often? The whole planet.

Eight billion people. The vast majority of us. of us really if we don't get air for a very short amount of time we're dead oh yeah that's kind of crazy like if you somehow get trapped underwater or the building collapses or something goes wrong you know like i don't know a couple minutes maybe max you know, like, I don't know, a couple minutes maybe. Max, you're dead. Like, you're fucking done. What if a supervillain from a different planet came into Earth and just put, like, a fucking hose in the ozone?

Yeah, just pumping CO2 in and just everyone is fixated. That's a lot of space balls. Is it? I was just like, I thought it was describing a cartoon. But it's also, okay, that's fucked up that that just happened then because i've seen space balls a handful of times and i definitely just thought of that because you said space balls like last week yeah yeah but like never it was it's all subconscious and like yeah the way subconscious just works it's percolates up later yeah bizarre

yep because i i was thinking i knew i was describing something but i was picturing as a cartoon i cartoon I saw once so that's fucking weird think about it though isn't that what you just did? doesn't that happen from lack of oxygen? yeah, you gotta get your air in I'm thinking about my CO2

there it goes, that's crazy guess not all you motherfuckers just yawned the contagious yawn is insanity your body's like, oh wait, I need some more oxygen too I'm gonna do that also So all you motherfuckers just yawned. The contagious yawn is insanity. Your body's like, oh, wait, I need some more oxygen, too. I'm going to do that also. That's one of those things scientists don't know why we do that,

but it's very incredibly contagious. I'm fighting it so hard right now. This is terrible. Eating, I like. Shitting, I like. But, see, I always think with these things, like, if I could take away eating and then you're like and then you're healthy, you know? Yeah, but like I mean, I don't I don't have any interest in that. I mean, you know, wait a minute.

You notoriously say you don't like eating. I don't just do it for like survival. I do just do it for survival. But like when I want to eat, I want to eat. Yeah, that's where I'm at. To get rid of it forever would be I would regret that. I don't know. It's only happening now.

I can't stop yelling. Um, but the, like, I guess either a breathing or a piss, maybe like, I don't, I don't dislike.

I would rather never shit again. People who like shitting, I don't get that. We're like, Oh, the like feeling when you like, I feel like we've gotten voicemails before. Like,

would you rather come or shit? Yeah. Uh, come, come for sure. I'd rather do like the, I'd rather have the explosive orgasm. Thank you. I mean,

look, I don't, I don't like a shit. I haven't shit in three days. It's becoming an issue. I'm giving it until tomorrow. It's becoming an issue. What are you going to do if you don't tomorrow? You're going to give yourself like an enema? I'm going to eat some food.

It's coming. I mean, like, I've probably I'm going to eat some food. I'm like, look, it doesn't make me shit. We got a problem. I mean, like. Drink some coffee? I've probably eaten. Let's do the math. I mean, you've had like 40 meals. I've had.

And like. I had Mexican food last night. I had Chinese food the night before. I've had two full sandwiches in the last 20 minutes. And they were like old. I've had three big Texas cinnamon rolls. Like I've eaten. The concoction in me should kill me if I'm shooting it out.

Why is your body. You know when you drink tons of water and you don't pee and you're like, wow, I was that dehydrated. My body needed all that water. When you don't shit, does that mean your body is using using all of the nutrients from the food, even the bad stuff? I guess. Your body's just like, thank God you put something in here. There's been no nutrients in any of the things I've been eating. That was the first piece of green I've had since Monday.

Your body was like, yeah. Just like a rotten piece of lettuce was like, finally, something that isn't fucking drunken noodles or quesadillas with Pablo Cramer. What up? I love fresh. Yeah, I think breathing, you know, breathing just happens. Again, it's kind of crazy that your lungs, your lungs just, you're born, your lungs never

stop working. They never stop. How many breaths do you think you take in a lifetime? Oh, goodness gracious. Google that real quick. I bet you someone's extrapolated that, like you breathe this many times in a minute, this many minutes on life.

Oh, that definitely happened. I would guess you breathe, I would guess I breathe about 18 times a minute, and then I'm lost after that. I mean, yeah, it's estimated to be 16 per minute. Extrapolated, it comes down to $672,768,000, roughly. In a lifetime? Yeah.

That's actually... I actually thought it was going to be lower. Oh, I thought it was going to be lower. $678,000,000? Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, and that's for somebody who lives to be 80. I mean, that's... Yeah, I thought we might catch a bill. No, I didn't think so.

I thought it was going to be like low $100 million. Oh, wait, yeah, I'm just bad at math. I thought we were going to catch $100 million. Wait, no, it's $678 million. Yeah. So, yeah, we almost caught a bill. More than halfway there. More than halfway.

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It used to be like, we're going to go and fuck women and cheat on our wives and do cocaine. And that was like, what a time that was. I didn't live through that. It wasn't that for me. Now it's like, and then when I started, it was like, we're going to go to Vegas. We're going to get fucked up. And now it's like, I just want to play some golf and go on the boat. And I don't even want strippers.

That's literally exactly what we're doing. And we're not going far because, again, still so like yeah we're just sticking sticking around the northeast playing some golf going on which is you know probably the mature and better way to do it's the way better way to do it if i were to get married like that's how i'd want it i don't want the whole thing yeah i'll get fucked up on the course don't get me wrong but like i don't want to go like i wonder if that's because people are getting married older or something like that like if you were getting married when you were 24 you might have been like yeah i mean that's because people are getting married older or something like that. If you were getting married when you were 24, you might have been like, yeah, I'm going to fucking ball these hookers in the ass.

What do you think brought upon that thing, that change? The later in life, getting married? No, no, no. I think getting later, I think women have gotten more rights and more say. I think it used to be like,

honey, going away for the weekend with the boys gonna come in his driver's ass and i'll be back to marry you and she was like okie dokie husband like i'd prefer that not be the case but i don't have much say in society so okay and now i think it's like oh i'm afraid of i think guys are i mean i i got i'm afraid i was always afraid of my like my girlfriend i feel like guys are afraid to be like like i feel like going on a bachelor party is like I'm already in trouble. You know what I mean? Really?

I've never had that, but also I actually have not only ever gone on a bachelor party with a girlfriend. So yeah, it's never been a thing I think. I think people – guys are a little scared to just run around and be like, yeah, we're just going to fucking do whatever we want now. I think a little bit older. I think – I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's like, is the world just getting more mature? I don't know.

I know, like, my dad talks about, like, it's not an uncle. It's more, you know, call him an uncle. It's not really an uncle. That kind of shebang. And he had, like, his first marriage where, like, his bachelor party was insane kind of deal. And then he got divorced and later in life

got a second marriage. And it was, like, we just rented a sailboat for the weekend. Yeah. Or whatever it was. I mean, yeah, when you reach a point where you personally

don't want to do those things but as I always say the bachelor party is not really for you. It's for the other guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, yeah, I just want to like

remember Tony Romo played hide and seek? Yeah. I just want to go play capture the flag and there's some guy who's like, I haven't,

my wife hasn't fucked me in five years. So, so we're going somewhere and buying whores. Oh, okay. Steve really needs it. So that's what we're doing. Or, or who knows, ladies, maybe we just talked about this at our latest monthly meeting and we're lying.

And we say that we go for a nice little relaxing golf weekend and we're still banging whores. It's all just marketing. Who knows? Maybe that's what's going on but it is weird too though when you actually i have it on bachelor parties we're like you know but they're bachelor parties we got fucked up on them like i don't i don't think we went to a strip club on either of them we definitely didn't hire a strip club on either of them oh no one of them one of them we popped into a strip club like before dinner we're just like

just to say we did like put your feet on dip different toe in the water we're a strip club everyone get the fuck out of here now right um oh that's one thing by the way i am a i'm not a fan of the the big dinner uh it wasn't it wasn't that big of a dinner for my bachelor party there was like a i think a steakhouse like a nice italian restaurant and we just stood them up and they they called a bunch they're like confirming like 18 of you guys are coming i'm like yep yep yep and then we day partied and it was like nobody wants to stop partying to go to a fucking dinner and fall asleep so we're standing you up uh but but yeah i feel like uh but it's like they were they were weird and not they were the parties were big enough that it was like i mean why is the one guy here yeah like you know because it was although actually no i gotta take

that back there was one where we were all really close and it was like why is the one guy here. Yeah. Like, you know, because it was, although actually, no, I got to take that back. There was one where we were all really close and it was like, why is the one guy here? And then there was one where like there was actually a mix enough of like college friends and friends from work and friends from high school and friends from growing up. Yeah. Where it was like everyone didn't really know each other. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Like everyone had like a group of three. Yep. Yep. But that way, so like, you know, the one or two brothers don't stand out there. Yeah. When everyone's got a group of three. But there was one so you know the one or two brothers don't stand out there yeah when everyone's got a group of three but there was one where it was like eight or ten of us or whatever and it was like just this one other kid alone it was like i mean he's nice enough guy but it's just like this is which is why that that experience is why i told my sister's

fiance like you don't have to invite me right and then he did so i'll go but it was it was like and i'll be happy to go but it was just was just like, I've been in a party before where it's weird. I've seen, you know, I knew a guy in college who like was there with his other family members. I think it was more like cousins and stuff, but it was like, it was the type of thing where like, you know, one dude had a dildo strapped on his head and a stripper was like riding him. And it was like, that's like, you know, my baby brother or something.

I think that's weird. I think it gets strange. I think it's equally as weird when the dad and the brother-in-law come And they're like, just want to let you know Like whatever happens here, you can fuck other chicks And it's okay I think that's all weird Like whatever happens here stays here

It's like, yeah, okay, that's like your daughter, dude What the fuck is going on So I think that's all bizarre I feel like I don't believe you and this party's over It's like you say that And then if you were to see me do that i bet your fucking tune would change so i think that should not be like the case at all like i feel like it shouldn't even be like you don't have to invite me and then he's like well i think i kind of have

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I live in New York City, but I'm in Chicago shooting a series, and I came back to New York because I'm renovating a house in New Jersey. As soon as I get back to New York, I get a call from David Fincher. Hey, man, I'm in Chicago. Let's have dinner Friday night. Let's go! I know what that means. Or it better mean that

that's incredible that's good news no no no no listen I don't think it's about Mindhunter I don't think it's about Mindhunter it happens to be in town you've worked with him for a while was Fight Club the first time you worked with him?

no my first experience with David was on a film called Alien 3. Oh, right, right, right. With Sigourney Weaver, which was David's first movie. Oh, wow. And then he brought me back for Fight Club. And then he brought me back for Mindhunter, of course.

So, yeah, so it was like 30 years ago when I first met David, yeah. Alien 3 was 30? No. Alien 3 we shot in 1991. 1991, yeah. Oh, my God. I'm not adjusting to this. I was six years old.

All right, we got Holt McElhinney on the show. I said McElhinney. That show. I said McElhinney. That's all right. McElhinney. Are we rolling? Yeah, we kind of just kind of let it. We just kind of do that. Yeah, but I did feel the need to announce it for when people listen.

So you're a New York guy, but you stayed here. You never made the move out west. You lived in New York? No. Well, I always maintained a residence in New York City, but I lived in L.A. for – well, I was bi-coastal. Oh, you're an Instagram girl. I am. I am. Wheels up.

Three million followers. No. What happened was I knew that I wanted to be in the television and film business. You know, both my parents had been had been Broadway actors. So I grew up in a family of actors. But, you know, the realities of Broadway had changed a lot, you know, by the time I got there in the 80s. And they really wanted, you know, to to use film stars in Broadway shows. So you kind of had to be successful on the West Coast just so you could come back to the East Coast. So I went out to LA

and I started working in films and television, but I always maintained a residence in New York and this was always home base for me. Manhattan or where? I live in Midtown by the park. You almost got too specific. Reveal my address. Yeah, I live in Midtown.

You like New York? I love New York. I was born in New York. That's how I asked. I was born in New York too and sometimes I'm like, I gotta get the hell out of here. Well, you know, buddy, look, I mean, the truth is, has the city changed a lot since my boyhood in the 70s?

Yeah. Yeah, sure. And are all the changes, changes that I'm happy about? No. But I still think it's a very unique city. And I think there's no other city in the United States quite like it. Better or worse. And I say I want to get out of here, and I never will. I mean, I feel like I'm just going to be here forever.

That's just how it's going to go. And I think the fact that you even maintain the residence, I think there are people who you make it, especially if you're going to go to Hollywood and you go out west and you kind of leave New York behind. But I don't know. I think it says something when you keep home base, keep a spot here. Well, it was tough because, you know, look, for two reasons.

First of all, because California is very seductive, right? You've got the beautiful weather. You've got the sunshine. There's pretty girls everywhere. You get lost in L.A. real quick. You're making deals for movies at the studio or you're starring on a series or whatever it may be, right? And, you know, yeah, a lot of New York actors go out there and never come back. Right. Um, but you know, I had family here.

I had people here that I cared about and, um, and I want to, but you know, you're, then you're maintaining two residences. It's two sets of bills. You pay two rents. You have two, it's, and, and, you know, it's, it's all right when you're doing well. But acting is a tough business and it's a competitive business. And a lot of guys have lean years. Right, right. And I certainly experienced that. I mean things are going great now.

But that wasn't always the case. Right. And there are times when you think, how am I going to make it work? Um, and, uh, but you know, I managed to, I managed to do it. And then what happens is you get to a certain stage where people know you well enough and you're well enough established that, you know, you don't have to audition anymore. Right. And as a consequence, that's, that's the big hurdle. And you know, that was David got me over that, you know, it was mind hunter, you the big hurdle. And, you know, that was – David got me over that. Yeah. You know, it was Mindhunter.

Because, you know, you can be the same actor doing the same job for many, many years, but you have to be in a show, you know, that's really critically acclaimed the way Mindhunter was. And, you know, in a commercial success, perhaps not a runaway hit like Stranger Things or something like that. No, but yeah. For sure. A television show that had an audience, a loyal audience. People really loved the show. And I got enough attention because of that performance that now, you know. Now they come to you a little bit.

Now they come to me. I was just surprised you weren't nominated for an Emmy for season two. I thought season two to build tension. Thanks. I appreciate that. Look, you know, I felt as though we could have gotten more recognition in multiple

categories. You know, first of all, how about for David Fincher as director? Or Eric Messerschmidt for director of photography. Now, he did win an Oscar this year for Mank, which I was thrilled about because he's a wonderful guy and a good friend, and it couldn't happen to a nicer person.

But, you know, I thought we could have been nominated in many categories, including production design. You know, it's a period piece. The attention to detail was so impressive. You know, really across the board. I mean, we did get, so Cameron Britton, who played Ed Kemper on the show, was nominated for season one.

I thought a very well-deserved nomination. Actually, sorry to interrupt you, but when quarantine first hit, like hardcore lockdown quarantine, and I went home and my parents were like, we think about getting into TV, which is such an insane thing for people to say. It's this television thing.

I'm going to try television. I was like, I got a show. So we put on Mindhunter season one and I watched it alone the first time I ever watched it and watching that scene with your mother was not easy. Something I really should have predicted was coming. I was like, I completely forgot this was going to happen

and oh, this is going to be awful. Yeah. And it was, you know, you talk about like watching sex scenes with your parents things like that you don't really talk about someone killing their mother and having sex with their head with your parents like that one doesn't just pop up in conversation no that's a heavy fucking show man is there something like that take its toll we've talked to uh we talked to brian cranson recently about some of the scenes in breaking bad where he like i think he said he cried tears in a certain scene and had to leave it at the set. I mean you were dealing with some stuff that was heavy material or is that just –

Well, look. I mean you spend a lot of time doing research about these serial killers and about the crimes that they commit. You yourself do it. Well, you have to – well, sure,, you know, you know, sure. Because you know, you, you, you have to know what's going on. You have to know the,

the, the, the personal histories of the, of the, of the criminals and what makes them different and how they did what they did. Because so much of the show hinges upon that. Right. I mean,

it comes through too. We're doing a study. Yeah. You know what I mean? Of incarcerated serial killers and their psychological underpinnings of sexually motivated homicides. So there's a, there's, and they're all different.

He's done his research. No, but you have to do it. So what I came away more was a real respect for the guys. For serial killers, huh? For serial killers, yeah. Because it's a tough job, man. You've got to be nasty.

First you've got to stop it. You've got to chop up the body. You've got to figure out a way to dispose of it. You know, exactly. You've got to make sure that you don't leave any evidence. It's an underrated hard job, I feel like. People don't name it atop the list. No, look, for the guys in law enforcement who devote their lives, you know, to homicide detectives generally.

But definitely, you know, the guys who go after those, you know. The monsters. Yeah, because they have to become obsessed with them and the crimes that they committed. And they're always thinking about it. And they're always pouring over crime scene photographs and they're always you know you know talking to you know the families of victims and trying to uh you know uh imagine you know the the the what the killer was thinking at the time that you gotta become you gotta really immerse yourself in that stuff all the time and you take it home with you and you pay a price for that, I think, in your family life and emotionally and even physically.

Sometimes these guys have nervous breakdowns or they – you know what I mean? When you have the daily combo with your wife of like how was work, honey? It's like, well, let me tell you. What I think what they do is they don't talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Right, right. That has its pitfalls as well.

Which has its pitfalls as well. Exactly. But then it's become such a thing now where I have that daily convo with my girlfriend. I'm like, how was work today? She's like, I listen to these podcasts. And then she just tells me about true crime podcasts. Oh, man. That obsession, true crime.

And this is different because it's true, but it's still like a scripted show, so it's kind of a little hybrid of the two. But yeah, people can't get enough of that sometimes. And usually skews kind of female, but when you see people get obsessed with it, they're like, what's wrong with you? This is crazy. You want to listen to this so much. Yeah, but it's an infatuation, and i think mindhunter did it you know better than anybody uh i mean i'm sure i speak for every single fan when we want more mindhunter so god willing whatever you know holds that up gets out of the way uh but then you do like so you do

a movie like wrath of man which is still obviously very violent and not exactly like light-hearted but i'd imagine it's got to be a lot more fun per se doing kind of a Jason Statham, shoot him up, you know, revenge action type movie. Well, look, it's a great question. I mean, I had fun on both projects, but for very different reasons, you know, um, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's always fun to be, uh, uh, with, uh, with David Fincher. He's got a great sense of humor. Um, you know, um, he's really smart guy, you know, really got a great sense of humor. You know, he's a really smart guy, you know, really, really dark kind of humor.

Yeah, I bet. You know, my friend Jonathan Groff, who played my partner on the show, who's a really gifted actor and just one of the most genuinely, you know, the nicest guys that you'll ever meet. And we got along really well. So it was always a pleasure to be around him.

And it's a pleasure to be on a show where you really can trust that the level of quality in every department is going to be, you know, at the highest possible standard. Right. So that, and we're always going to do enough coverage. We're always going to do enough takes. The editor is always, David's always going to have choices. Right. Do you see what I mean?

And, you know, and you just know that the show is going to look great. And there's a tremendous, you know, sense of, you know, it gives you a lot of confidence as an actor when you can believe that. Look, I had a lot of fun working for Guy Ritchie, but for different reasons. Guy is a tremendously charismatic person who is also fun to be around. He's got a kind of an infectious energy, a real kind of jovial, kind of, you know, jaunty kind of quality to his personality. He really shoots from the hip. You know, guy works very quickly, you know, fast-paced, energetic.

Let's it fly. Let's it fly. And look, sometimes you get great stuff that way. He had great – Jason was a very easy guy to work with, very down-to-earth, very affable. And then we had really fabulous actors in the supporting roles. So guys like Scott Eastwood, Josh Hartnett. Josh Hartnett, who we were talking before, and I was like, he did, I forget what the, he had the show on Showtime. But he went from, you know, he was the guy when I was younger. I was like, oh, I haven't seen Josh Hartnett in a major motion picture in quite some time, it feels like.

Well, look, I think, you know, Josh is somebody who really cares about the work. And I think that I don't want to speak for him, but just from conversations that I've had with him. You know, I think that when, you know, when he was young and they were offering him Superman and Batman and, you know, just wasn't it wasn't really what what he wanted to do. And, you know, and he's married and to and he lives in England and he has a family. And he still works all the time. But he kind of managed his career on his own terms. Yeah, it would be nice to turn that down. Penny Dreadful was the show.

But yeah, I remember reading an interview where it was basically exactly what he was saying. Where it was like, I think it was after Pearl Harbor. And he was like, okay, I just didn't want to be the pretty boy. He's like, I like, like you said, doing the work. I like to be a little something more. Well, let's just say that, look, you know, anatomy is destiny. And Josh is one of the most handsome actors in Hollywood. And I don't think that's ever going to change.

So the career is great and everything's going well, but I feel like your life story is worth its own movie. I mean, the places you've been and the upbringing you had and some of the jobs you worked and all that, it's not the normal upbringing i feel like i don't think you know to mireland to france to this school and that school and working in the factories and all this crazy shit uh to then just end up you know uh also just acting i feel like it's been a very unique path i don't know how many other people could have said

they've lived the life you've lived well look it look, it's really nice of you to say that. None of it was planned. The only thing that was planned was that I knew that I wanted to be an actor. And I knew from a very early age. And I had wanted to – my parents were actors. Is that a lot of pressure? Was it like you – Well, no, on the contrary. If you didn't want to be an actor, could you have gone?

Oh, sure. No, no. The conflict that I had with them over this particular issue was I wanted to be a child actor. And I basically did not want to go to school. Ah, that makes sense.

I wanted to get an agent. I would watch a lot of films I would watch television shows I would see young boys my age and I would think to myself I could have played that part so when I started school in Ireland my father was Irish

my mother was from Omaha, Nebraska she was Miss Nebraska in the Miss America pageant and that's how she got into show business. I mean, she was she she came to New York and she was a nightclub singer. In those days, there were two big nightclubs, the Copacabana. And there was one that was owned by Barbara Walters' father, Lou Walters. And that was called the Latin Quarter.

And so she started off as a chorus girl. Then she became a band singer. Then she, you know, became a Broadway star and made some films in Hollywood. And my dad came over from Ireland, also became an actor, and then later became a producer, won a Tony Award on Broadway, produced the first Irish play to win a Tony Award. You know, so I grew up, you know, I was born was born here you know grew up in the theater and um you know and made in my one of my mother's oldest friends was uh a woman named neil adams who was the first wife of the great american film star steve mcqueen you know and so you were around it

it's in i was around it you know and and like and and and you know like i've always felt that um one of the great advantages that a young guy can have is when he has a certainty about what it is that he wants to do with his life. Yeah, yeah. You know, because when you don't have that. And so many people don't have it. And so many people don't have it. And so then you kick around and you're trying a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And you're looking to find your niche.

And it can be elusive. Yeah. And it can take time. Right. You can waste a lot of years if you're not. You can waste years of your life trying to of to find yourself i didn't have that problem you know i knew that you know eventually i was going to be sitting here and having these kinds of interviews with guys like you yeah you know and you know to be honest with you

i i really feel like you know the time that it took, and it took time, you know, it took 25 years. Did you ever have any doubts for the years? No, not at all. It was always a question of when are they going to catch up? When are they going to, when are they going to finally, and I knew that they would, you know, and I'm not trying to sound cocky about it, but when you believe in yourself, you know, you believe in yourself. And so it was, you know, I always believed that

my success in the entertainment business was an inevitability. And it was just a question of, am I going to get the opportunities? You know, and so and I think you got to have that mentality. Yeah. Because if you allow yourself a way out, you'll take it. Yeah, you give yourself an excuse. You give yourself a real, well, you know, if it doesn't work out, I can always do X. You're going to end up doing X. Yeah, you're right. Because the acting business is hard, and you really have to want it, and you really have to work at it.

You really have to try to grow and improve, and that's the key to the thing. You've got to be a little better this year than you were last year. How do you do that though? You get better at acting. Yeah, well, look, you get better. I mean, look, if you take an actor for example, like Paul Newman,

and you look at early performances of his, like when he played the great middleweight boxer Rocky Graziano, in a film like Somebody Up There Likes Me. You know, he looks great. He was always, you know, he's as handsome as my friend Josh Hartnett, right? But the acting, he was still very much learning as an actor.

And then you contrast that with a performance like the one he gave in The Verdict, for example, near the end of his career. And you see there's no more sort of stark representation than that of a guy who has just learned his craft over many, many years and now has another good example of that would be a guy like Burt Lancaster, you know, who was always a favorite actor of mine, who was never better than at the end of his career in movies like Atlantic City, Local Hero. I don't know if you remember any of these films. But no, but that's what you're striving for. You know, look, we just had Anthony Hopkins win the Academy Award for Best Actor at 84 years old.

Right. Or whatever he is, right? That's great. He's another really good example of what I'm talking about, although some would argue that Tony was always great. I was going to say, Tony's been doing it a little while. Tony's been in the game. Would you say this is something that's achieved through reps

or through like, are you going home and you're studying something? Or are you just like, I'm going to act and I'm going to be with actors and I'm going to learn how they do their craft and I'm just going to absorb it rather than actually practice it? So, it's a very simple answer to that question.

Anything that you want to get better at in life, there is only one way to accomplish that, which is to do it over and over and over and over again. And you will get better. You know, whether it's sports or whether it's, you know, some kind of intellectual pursuit or whatever, you have to be doing it. And especially like now in a very competitive marketplace,

you know, where you're not only competing with actors from the United States, but there are a great many talented actors from the United Kingdom and from Australia and, you know, from, from, from Ireland and Denmark and many other places, all of whom, you know, are your competition, you know, so, so, um, and, and you think about it, you know, you think about a director and, you know, what are his options? You know what I mean? When he's casting a part, you know, he's got a lot of choices.

You know what I mean? He doesn't have to pick you. So, you know, you have to really be able to go into the room and to show somebody that you're the guy. Look no further. You found the right guy. I am that guy. You're almost already acting in a way, right? You know what I mean?

I'll tell you what, you already convinced me. Yeah. I don't have a ton of bull, but I'm like, yeah, give him the part. I don't even know what you're trying out for right now, Hope, but you got it. Sorry. I mean, you got to, if you don't believe it, then how are they going to? That's it. You just expressed I was a little long-winded,

but you managed to say what I was trying to say in one sentence. Right, right. That's hard to do. I mean, I say it. I can talk it. I don't know if I can walk it, though, because a lot of people have a lot of self-doubt, and like you said, there's a lot of competition. So you have to do the things

that are going to allow you to not feel those emotions. And how are you going to That's the working at it. It's like Muhammad Ali used to say, right? I win my fights in the gym.

And at 5 o'clock in the morning doing my road work when nobody's watching. Right. Do you see what I mean? All the hard work that I do in preparation so that when fight night comes, I get to dance under those lights. Right, right. It's easy. Yeah, I'm ready for it. Right.

And you get to feel like you deserve it. Why do you deserve to win this battle? I think once you believe that and you really believe it, you're not just trying to tell yourself when you actually believe it. That's what it all comes about. That's it. Laurence Olivier was an actor that I used to admire greatly when I was a boy. I still do. And he used to say that acting was 90% preparation and 10% inspiration.

So you have to do everything that you can think of to do. To get better. And what can I do to make myself more believable as this particular character? So when you do all that work, right, and you land something like Mindhunter, and then it's a success, and then it goes away for whatever this reason is with scheduling and money and Netflix and Fincher and all that.

I mean, that's got to suck, right? That's got to be like as an actor on it. I don't know who makes that final call if it's Fincher or the network or whatever the problem is. That's just you got to roll with that punch or is that something you fight for or try to convince people of otherwise or that's just the biz? You know, it's up to David. It's what David wants to do. And that's just something you've got to respect his will. I'd be like, come on, what do I got to do?

What's the cost? It all depends on how you choose to look at these things. And would I have liked to have come back and played Bill Tench for a couple more seasons? Sure. Yeah. And if I ever get that call, I'll say yes immediately. Okay, good. Good to know. But I've been in the business long enough to know how fortunate I was to have had that opportunity in the first place.

Right, right. And it had a transformational effect on my life and my career. I said earlier in this conversation, I don't audition anymore, bro. Yeah. You know, there's a reason that Johnny Depp could live in Paris or Harrison Ford could live in Mexico, whatever they want to do. Yeah, right. It's because they don't have to make themselves available at Warner Brothers and Fox and Paramount, you know what I mean, every week to go into rooms, you know what I mean,

and read for directors and casting directors and producers. And I'm not against that process. I think that you want to be a good actor, become a good auditioner. Well, yeah. You know, yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. That's what you're going to have to do. Yeah.

Yeah. And you know, a casting director that I, I really admired early in my career. She said the guys who get the parts are the guys who go to school on the material, you know, you know, really know what you want to do when you walk in that room. So, yeah, I mean, Mindhunter changed my life. And I have a lot of gratitude because of that.

But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to come back and do more. Give me a percentage in your gut, percentage chance that mindhunter comes back wow well you know it's so funny because um i uh i read a news report recently uh an entertainment journalist in in the uk who said that he who reported that that discussions that had been going on between David and Netflix about a potential third season. I'm actually going to have the opportunity to see David, you know, in a couple of days. So I'm sure the subject will come up. But I was on the phone with a great director named Carl Franklin. And Carl Franklin directed four episodes

of Mindhunter in the second season and has directed so much film and television a lot of people remember him from a great movie called One False Move but he's directed everything and he's a friend and he said I spoke to David about

that he didn't seem to think that there was that there was much to that so I don't know what the answer is but look life goes on I did this movie that's out right now, Wrath of Man

with Jason Statham which is the number one movie in the country I've often described my favorite genre of movie as badass guy who just wanted to be left alone, but you fucked with his family, and now everyone has to die. And it's a very specific movie. It basically means Jason Statham movies.

And it is, having seen the trailer, we unfortunately didn't get a screener. A screener. Yeah, that Red Band trailer. The Red Band trailer, it looks right up my alley. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah, well, you know, it's a remake of a French film called Le Convoyeur that starred two very well-known French actors, Albert Dupontel and Jean Dujardin.

And some of your listeners probably remember Jean Dujardin because he won the Academy Award for Best Actor for a film called The Artist a few years ago. And I'm in the Jean Dujardin part. And Jason Statham is, of course, the Albert Dupontel part. And I had really liked the original film. And I really like some of Guy's films. I loved Snatch. I loved Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. So, um, I was really happy, you know, when they offered me, when they offered me the

part and, um, uh, you know, and as I said, you know, we had, we had a great time. There's a, there's a certain kind of, um, I don't know, kind of camaraderie that exists on Guy's sets. I can imagine that. A little locker room vibe. Yeah, a little bit like that. Like a sports team, yeah. Yeah, and then you add to it some of these guys that I mentioned,

like Eastwood and Hartnett, Jeffrey Donovan. Yeah, it's a bomb squad. Yeah, no good actors, man, and experienced veteran guys. And then Jason is one of the biggest movie stars in the world. And there's a reason for that. When I was young, people used to talk about this thing called star quality. And it's something that Jason has. Steve McQueen had it too.

Clint Eastwood had it. Where they just kind of walk on screen. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And they evoke something in you. it, you know, where, you know, they just kind of walk on screen. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And they evoke something in you. Yeah. You know, it's not something that you learn in acting school.

No, but you know what? You got that as well with like the broad shoulders, the voice, the jaw. I mean, there's a presence to you, man. It worked so well on Mindhunter. And I mean, I'm sure for movies like Fight Club and Wrath of Man, it translates really well. You got a vibe to you, sir.

You have just in the voice, everything. Wrath of Man reminds me of, and again, I've just seen the trailer, so I could be wrong on this, but The Losers. I was in that one, too. I know. The star-studded cast. Guys, it looks like they're having fun.

It's such an interesting comparison. No one has made that yet. I think it's a really good analogy. The Losers is a film that had Chris Evans, who later went on to become Captain America. You know, Idris Elba. You know what I mean? Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Zoe Saldana. Zoe Saldana, yeah. Like really, and me and Jason Patrick. And some really good actors. And I think Joel Silver produced it. He was the biggest producer on Warner Brothers a lot. And I think it was something that they thought could be a franchise. And I kind of liked the movie.

And I was never – I love the movie. Sid Van White, a French director, a lovely guy. And I thought the movie was kind of unfairly sort of dismissed. I love the smile you have, though. You can tell it's got a place in your heart by this movie. It also was a little early. I feel like that genre and all that kind of stuff is a –

I think it would be different had it come out now, but I think anybody who's watched it appreciates it. I mean it's a fun time, and I feel like Wrath of Man will be very similar. But we had a good time making that one in a similar way to Wrath of Man. Really? Yeah, well, one we shot in San Juan. Well, listen, it does look awesome, and God willing, I hope there is more Mindhunter to come and anything else you do because, you know, like I said, you got a vibe to you that I'll always watch.

So thank you for the time and thanks for all the movies and TV, man. Well, it's a pleasure. And if I could just plug a couple other. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. So, you know, I've got a film coming out next month with a great guy, a good friend named Liam Neeson, a movie called The Ice Road. Heard of him as well.

You're working with some small-time indie guys these days, huh? And then I'm in an extraordinary film for Guillermo del Toro, who's one of the great directors of his generation. His last movie, The Shape of Water, won the Academy Award, and that one stars Bradley Cooper and Kate Grandshake. Alright, enough, Jerry. You want RoboFlex for us right now? Thank you, man.

Anyway, check those out. Wrath of Man, Ice Road, Nightmare Alley. Thanks, guys. Thank you so much. Absolute pleasure. Thank you. Bye.