KFC Radio - Tommy Vietor on Why Trump Won the 2024 Election - Full Interview

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

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prize amount may differ at time of drawings, terms jackpocket.com slash TOS slash free dash ticket dash promo slash. We were just saying, like, it's cold out here. Yes. But there's no chance of hurricanes, earthquakes, and fires. Yeah. And it's like people hate the cold so goddamn much that they're willing to live in, like, guaranteed danger zones just because I don't want to be cold. Like everywhere else in the world or in the country except for New England or, I guess, all extended to the Northeast. The environment is actively trying to be cold. Like everywhere else in the world, or in the country, except for New England, or I guess all extended to the Northeast.

The environment's actively trying to kill you. There's no tornadoes, there's no hurricanes, there's no earthquakes, and there's no fires, but you will have to put on a jacket. And people are like, nope! Give me an uninsurable house, please. That's going to be a real issue. I mean, the fire stuff was no joke.

Yeah, it's crazy. If it was just me, I'd be be fine or just me and my wife we have two little kids and like finally on wednesday night like it started in the hollywood hills it was kind of near us and we're like let's get out of here we panicked was it like like when you were leaving was it i'm picturing independence day yeah it was like that it was like apocalyptic like it's seven o'clock it's completely dark out. You're driving one way. You get on the five, which is like one of the main freeways.

The whole other side is just like emergency vehicles going a hundred miles an hour the other direction. You're kind of sitting there and you're just imagining your death, which is roasting in a car on the freeway. Yeah, well, I mean, everybody abandoned their cars, right? They had to like plow through the cars.

Yeah, up in the Palisades. So I was going to say kind of fun, but not at all. Like, a little part of it's like, this is kind of exciting. It's almost like when, I remember when Sandy, when Hurricane Sandy came through, there was, like, it was like an adult snow day. Like, everyone knew it was coming. Get your booze, get your snacks, like, evacuate and go stay with your friend who's uptown. And you, like, hunker down. Maybe you lose power. It was, like, fun. get your booze get your snacks like evacuate go stay with your friend who's uptown and you like hunker down maybe you lose power it was like fun and i remember even like we were on like the

upper east side and i was like this thing's a bus like didn't even not even a problem then you find out you know like half a fucking queens and broken water you're like oh okay never mind it's not that fun you know there's not a covet you're doing puzzles, you're FaceTiming high school buddies. One of my buddies lost his, a Boston guy, lost his house burned to the ground in the Palisades. And it's now starting to get to the point on the group chat where one of our other friends is starting to fuck with him and being like, that's a rental. How long do you wait?

We're all just like, how's this going to go? It was. So my buddy lives out in, I don't know, the hills. He lives somewhere like that. And I texted him the next day. And I was like, yo, you all good? And he was like, yeah. But it was crazy.

Like, from my house, I could watch. Because I think he said he watched, like, I don't know the number. Let's call it 5,000 Acres Burn or whatever it was. I was watching a football field catch on fire every three minutes or something like that. That's about right, yeah. And I was like, holy shit, that's crazy. So New York's not so bad. Subway. It's like, yeah, there's like a lot of weird people on the subway

and it's cold and it's pretty dirty. But it's not actively on fire. It's a good time. It's good stuff. So, yeah, but as a Boston guy, so you went out, what did you say, seven or eight years ago?

Yeah, I got to LA in 2017. I was in DC until 2015. And you became a pussy what? Birth. I've been so soft my whole life. Yeah, I was so soft too. You're in good company. Yeah, probably. This jacket wasn soft too. I was just saying, you're in good company. I promise you that.

This jacket wasn't earned. This was vintage. Stolen valor. I always hear fights, plug, and plays. I'm like, oh, what a nice, you know, cultured guy.

Oh, God. Cultured? I don't know about that. I don't know. You are, you know, you're jet-setting around to Italy now and you're an actor.

Maybe you are cultured now. I would actually, I would, I'll accept culture. I think I'm a cultured person. You go to Broadway. If you said I was a smart person, I'd correct you. But if cultured, I'll take it. Cultured also implies,

like, I don't think most cultured people will, like, fall asleep with ice cream on their chest. Correct. So, like, whatever, you're cultured and that, that's what you are. I think your spin is you set the culture. I think I remember... I remember DMing you in, like, their chest correct so like whatever your culture and that yeah that's what you are yeah i think your spin is you set the culture because i think i remember i remember dming you in like 2015 and just belialing we knew each other ever met but i was like look i'm a 40 something guy from

boston right like i grew up like barstool has been a part of my life forever and i like knew of you guys and i did that weird parasocial thing going on i was like do you ever think to yourself i woke up one day tweeted saturdays are for the boys and no one has stopped saying it for like three years and my boss sold like how many million dollars worth of merch off of this one thing i overheard i would i would i would honestly i don't know i would guess this is a complete guess. I have no idea. I would guess 10 to 15. A million? Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Oh, really? I was going to guess like 100. Really? Yeah, bro. Saturday Night at the Boys has been around for a long... I mean, Foreplay has probably made 10 or 15 million dollars off of Saturday Night at the Boys. That's a bummer. I mean, Dave used to always say that Saturday for the Boys funded the New York office.

That's what like – yeah, I think it's made $10 million. Oh, okay. That was like a phenomenon. And it was kind of going on with Viva La Stool as well. Like Saturday for the Boys kind of like took what Viva La Stool was. Because Viva La Stool, we had this thing where people would make signs in certain places. Like game day or something?

Yeah, yeah. But it started out like at a Red Sox game. Fine, Viva La Stool. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh, there's like some troops overseas who did it.

Like, that's cool. And then I remember it made it to the Buckingham Palace when, I guess it was the wedding? It was Kate's wedding. Yeah, the royal wedding.

And it was just like somebody like popped in the corner, like that little guy on Mortal Kombat. Toasty! He just popped in and said, Viva La Stool. And I was like, no way. That and then it made it to the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio.

Nice. And I was like, there's something going on here. And then it went crazy. I mean, there's been a Viva La Stool in every major spot in the world. And then Saturdays for the Boys was kind of the vocal version of that like that was it was almost like it was not brand specific it was it could just be well that's why I work yeah nobody like not nobody but like half the people did not know it was Barstool right they just thought you know but I remember that started

like you know maybe some of the patriots say it's like okay that makes sense but all of a sudden like bill clinton's saying it's like really adams i think right he or somebody said hey bill like what are the salaries for the boys and he said like yeah there's not like that you know there were a lot of like political people who got weird into like it was super weird for us like a politician like trying to like be like young hip and cool by like adopting some of their their friends no way that would never happen right never happens i also like how i said i like it's all i've been thinking about since i said it how casually i was like it was kate's wedding like i was invited to it i think that was when kate tied the knot but yeah that was that was that was probably the first thing where i was really like, Whoa, there's something bigger going on here.

You know, viral stuff. When have you had that with pod save? Like obviously you have a million different times, but like, it was weird. Like we were doing it with the ringer. It was a hobby. Like I was the ringer at first. Yeah.

It was called keeping a 1600. It was like John and Dan started this thing. We were trying to pitch a show. You guys have gone through this process of when you're in LA and you're trying to pitch shows with people and you do call call like the couch and water circuit where you have meetings when everyone's having a great time and they tell you you should work together and then nothing we were such suckers dude i got crushed we did not know that that was like everybody has good meetings you know i was like we we're gonna get like 10 shows we're gonna be on every network

we're gonna be in every movie we're gonna like we crushed it it's so funny ever again it's so funny you say like the cow i've never heard that before the couch and water exactly what it is because like we did it we only did one day and we probably went to five six seven hundred meetings and by the last one like the first one i walked in and i was like so polite and so like oh wow this is crazy by the time we went to last night i was like where's my fucking water shine my shoes like it was it was literally the water i was like i have a water bottle at every meeting i've gone to how is there not a water bottle we had some meeting with hbr show time and they were talking about shameless at the time was like popping and the the bartender was going to wear saturdays for the boys gear and somehow the rock there was something mentioned the rock

wearing it they were going to do for hobbs and Shaw right and I was so comfortable by that point that I was pitching my ideas I was like another Saturday for the boys let's talk turkey right now I'll be I'll come on the movie I'll help write the movie for you yeah wait so you were doing that there's two versions that like me and Jon Favreau my co-host we wrote a script we thought it was going to get made because why wouldn't it all work out for us? And you just like slowly die, right? Your soul just has like a potato peeler just scraping away, right? Six months later, they're like, no.

So that happened. And then you go into some rooms and you just talk to people. They're like, what is real politics like? And you kind of like give them notes and stuff. But then we went, we wanted to do a TV show and it wasn't working out. So Jon and dan did a couple episodes for the ringer for keeping a 1600 then we added a second episode and like i was doing it from san francisco at the time um it was just something we were doing for fun and then the

election happens uh hillary loses trump wins we're kind of like crushed by how shocked we were and how fucking wrong we were in everything we predicted in that election like everybody and um we were like okay we feel guilty the media is fucked up it was terrible to like try to watch to get information about the 2016 election you turn on cnn and there'd be like a panel of like nine idiots telling you nothing interesting and you'd be like depressed and not informed and you're like these people are speaking like a broken language. You know what I mean? It's just like talking points yelling at each other. So we're like, let's start a thing.

And we thought leaving the ringer, it would take us like six months to kind of like get back on our feet. But we were just so lucky with the timing of starting in 2017 that it exploded pretty quick and worked out. Yeah, Trump's the best thing that ever happened to you guys. Every once in a while, i have a double an agent meeting that was like a like a couch and water thing where they'd be like yeah but if trump wins again it's good for you i'm like i don't think you understand i don't think people are going to be like paying attention this time the way they were the first time i think people are going to be a little broken have you noticed

that i think people are broken right now at least the Democratic side is kind of like, we're a mess. We're a disaster. What do we do about it? Yeah, you guys are like the team right now that like, it's probably like the Bills in the 90s where they just like couldn't get over the hump. And you're just like, well, what do we do? It's a rebuild. You know what I mean? Yeah, fire the coach.

It's a top-down rebuild. Yeah, you got to fire the concessions. Gut them, you know? And it's our own fault. Like the Democratic Party, elections are a choice. And you can't just be anti one guy. You have to give people something. And we were like, hey, here's this guy.

He is clearly way too old to be elected for four more years. But we're going to try to shove this down your throat. And then that debate happens. And like, like yes he eventually dropped out but it took months and months and it was just a mess and it was like did you know it like as soon as he was up there you're like oh five minutes in it's the worst debate i i couldn't even watch because like i i'm i do not like donald trump and i'm voting for whoever was democrat and i was like i just knew and i was like i can't even watch this I was like I gotta be able to

earnestly say I still think he can do it so in order to do that I can't watch if you had even a slight brain you're just like no do you think it was his like his ego and hubris that like or like

so how does that the force out process happen like who like led that charge somebody has to be like okay we go yeah so to like what happened i think he ran he suggested he was going to be a transitional figure someone else was going to take over then the midterm elections happen democrats do way better than expected and better than like historical uh norms like usually you lose seats in the midterms democrats won seats mostly because like trump convinced people like herschel walker to run when in georgia it was like when you talk no yeah right yeah but joe biden decided that was because that involved

in him and then he kept going right so that was how that part went down and then the the force him out process was like uh anyone who watched the debate with eyeballs was like, this is not working. And it took members of Congress time. Like initially they tried to go to the White House and be like, hey, you need to make a change. This is not working. The White House ignored them. Then they got polling back and they finally went to Biden was like, we're going to get wiped out. It's not just going to be you.

It's going to be senators and blue states. It's going gonna be like 60 members of the house like you're gonna take down the whole party i think like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and those kind of leaders were the ones who eventually got him to step aside crazy but at first he was like i got this though the first they were like fuck you i'm staying in yeah settled issue i think i saw i think it was Favreau I forget but someone kind of had like a longer post about like there are two sides to John love it Yeah, yeah, and I was like, oh I didn't realize the other side of like Which I'm sure you have to be together. Well, that's exactly that's a question I have for you at what point in politics

I'm trying to think how I should phrase become a fucking scumbag like like what kind in a sense yeah like what point do you think because in my head like well why would you get in the line of work if you don't actually want to help people it's like what i think about myself with podcasting like well i don't know i just want to make people laugh like right i that's what i still want to do yeah at what point is there like kind of a jump you have to make to be like, because I genuinely don't think maybe it's just the way I choose to view the world. I don't think most politicians are bad people. I think most politicians want to help people.

But at what point do you have to make a switch where you're a little more selfish or narcissistic or whatever? I mean, like I think at the end of the day, like politics, it's human beings who are flawed making imperfect decisions. You know what I mean? And like, we're all we all have egos. We all can be petty. We all can be assholes. Right.

And so even if you're the most powerful person in the world, you still like feel a little slight. Like if you're the you're the lead singer, the Rolling Stones or like you're the bass player in the hottest band in the world like I'm sure you get pissed off if the lead singer is getting all the shine right like we all have this petty shit inside us I think like I worked for John Edwards in 2004 he was just like a random senator from North Carolina ran for president got on the VP ticket

and then for John Kerry who was his vice presidential nominee I think he's an interesting example of someone who was, like, a normal guy, U.S. senator, good dude, lawyer, got kind of used to the trappings of the office and, like, having a motorcade and security and all this shit and got enamored with it, and it led him down a bad path where he ended up cheating on his wife and had this child out of wedlock

and this whole scandal came out, right? And so that's one example um i think though like i worked for obama for nine years and the thing that was just alien about him he's just like so secure and confident at all times and it's so fucking annoying you know like i whenever i see him i a 24-year-old kid who met him for the first time. And I remember the fact that I was, like, sitting on the floor and wearing a ratty T-shirt. And I didn't have my shoes on. And it's like, will stick with me forever because I feel like I was an idiot. A little dipshit.

And I think he remembers it. He probably has no memory of this, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just, like, doesn't care. Right, right. But, like, you're right. Like, I think most of them are in it for the right reasons, but you can get, like, led astray.

Yeah. Because, like, when people just say, like, politicians are scumbags, like, you mean city councilors? Like, who, where do you start? There certainly are scumbags. Of course there are, because they're people. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, well, nowadays it's so, I mean, the modern version, this modern version of politics

is like being a celebrity, basically. You know what I mean? It's all about attention. Yes, it's about attention and money and followers and popularity and all that shit. Like, when it's supposed to be a job, that's, like, the furthest thing from that. It's supposed to be, you know, like, civic duty. And it's like, no, I'm a fucking rock star. And obviously Trump is, like, the king of that.

But I don't think you can undo that. You know what I mean? I think you used to probably be famous, but it was like you're in the newspapers and you're talked about on the nightly news. Now it's like you're an influencer. You know what I mean? So it's like if I was brilliant, no fucking way I would ever go into public office. You know what I mean? I'm going to work in the private sector. I'm going to'm gonna make more money i'm not gonna have all the pressure in the

world on me i'm not gonna be hated by at least 50 in the country like i'm gonna go be a tech guy i'm gonna go like who would want this job this job sucks yeah you have to like really care about helping people you have to have a supreme confidence in yourself but it's even like beyond what you just said you also if you run for president there is an entire industry digging up dirt on you there's journalists who are doing their job they're doing the right thing right but there's the opposition side there's opposition researchers there's every bear that you killed and buried in the park stories are the best i when that one came out i pitched the idea. The government has not gotten back to me on it. But that RFK has to be able to run in perpetuity. He's always just potentially on a ticket campaigning because he just has to be investigated at all times.

Not for negative thing. Well, obviously, negative, whatever you want to say it. But like, funny, negative. It's like he buried a bear. The story was so funny. it was like none of the geography made sense to new yorkers right like because he had to go to a uh he's doing falconry he's doing falconry he found a dead bear then he went to like a bender dinner in brooklyn yeah he had to go to the airport he buried in the park it's all but he staged a bike accident

in a bike lane with a bear corpse. And then got caught like 30 years later or whatever it was in the 80s or whatever, right? It's like... Every level of that story, I was like, that's the most rock star thing

I ever heard. It felt like Mad Libs, honestly. It was like animal, place, vehicle, action, and just put it all together. I was having a horrible like week at work and when that came out,

I was crying laughing, like dramatic reading for my family. Anyway, it's the best. So wait, you wrote for obama so i because i one of you guys love it if ever we're speech writers okay one of you guys uh used to date my buddy's now wife i hope it wasn't me yeah so i i i don't know who it was but we used to give him so much shit because he was hopelessly in love with this girl and in the beginning she just didn't really give him the time of day and he was like she's dating obama's

fucking speech writer man and we're like sitting in our apartment like drinking like two dollar bottles of wine like fucked up and like i don't know yeah you're not gonna get that girl bro you're fucked he ended up getting her but well love it's gay so it's probably not him did you uh did you ever live in hawaii no was that is that because she lived in hawaii for a while where we'll talk names after yeah yeah yeah we'll stick up on that but no i i worked i worked in the press i was his press secretary or like deputy for a couple years then i went to the national security staff at the white house for two years so like why are you in this shit why i feel like i wouldn't want to get in politics in

any way like we we talk here like there there was a moment where if we just i always joke like we just became two-way guys we probably would have like you know 10x our audience yeah and i was like i i mean i'm just not like a sellout type to do that but also i don't want to be in that world where you're fighting like every every people are digging up dirt on you and you know it's like uh i wouldn't even want to be tangentially related to it but i guess it's just what you love and you're into it so yeah i mean look setting it like i don't want to portray myself as some like noble public servant right like just what sucks about politics right now is it feels so shitty like it feels so negative in zero sum and worse than it was

when i worked for obama i started working for him in 2004 on a senate campaign basically i worked for edwards we lost i uh i found obama's book i read it and then like literally bug someone i knew in that campaign every single day until they hired me i was like that annoying kid that douchebag uh but it worked out and i was gonna say you have to be really talented to be that annoying kid and get the job yeah because most people go get the fuck away but at some point it's like okay luck and timing so that's life i fall into that job backwards and i get to like grow up in this orbit and it was like the opposite experience of what you're saying like he's not a perfect guy you know like he he can be arrogant he made mistakes we screwed a million things up at the white house

on policy i'm happy to unpack any of them but like he was a good guy in it for the right reasons and they were normal people like i remember i went to their, their condo in Chicago in 2004 to staff up like photo shoot. It was like a one bedroom and their kids slept in bunk bed, you know, normal shit. Yeah. And I think that is what's missing in politics. Like people might not like AOC or her politics or think she's too liberal,

but I think it's good that she was a bartender like six years ago, like a regular human. Yeah. Human being. She knows what like it's like paycheck is like and coworkers-workers yeah or how congestion rent fees yeah yeah you're in the pocket like you're talking about and like so i think that's good and he was an inspiring hopeful person who made it about like a bigger cause and mission and he made being a democrat like a party you wanted to be a part of and cool and fun and that is sorely missing that is

gone brother the i read that article the other day um in the atlantic i think uh the anti-social century have you heard of that yeah and like i was thinking about i knew we were going to be interviewing you and i was thinking about that as i was reading it and like so basically what the article is about is you you think by the title it's more phones and it is it hits phones pretty hard uh but like we've been getting away from being a society for a long time where it's more about negativity and all that stuff where but the the article kind of highlighted that it's been since the car it's been since the 60s when the suburbs became a big thing. And then kind of like isolate yourself out there.

Yeah. But then obviously phones were heroin for it. I think from 2003 to 2023, I believe it was like social interacting cut in half or something like that. Oh, you know what I was saying? People think it's the pandemic. But the pandemic was just another bit of heroin heroin yeah and like it was like it's just following the trajectory it's been following like since cars were invented and it was all talking about how there's one line in it that i love i thought was so great um what we lose in that is

is tolerance because family teaches love tribes teach loyalty village teaches tolerance and because we don't really have villages anymore everyone's intolerant of everyone yada yada yada if the republicans are always not always but in the last 12 years running kind of more of on a hate campaign how do you combat that like if if what everything we doing, everywhere society is going is towards isolationism, which then breeds hatred and intolerance, how? Like, how? You have to have an Obama type? I mean, I just think, well, a lot of it is leaders. And I think, like, what will happen now?

I mean, I remember 2004, Bush got reelected. Everyone thought, like, Kerry was going to win. They thought Iraq was going badly. People might want to change. Bush got reelected. And the Democratic Kerry was going to win. They thought Iraq was going badly. People might want to change. Bush got reelected and the Democratic Party was like crushed. And people were having the same conversation as we're having right now. Like the Democrats are done. They're on the mat, like third party time, burn it down, start over. And no one was thinking like, well, what about this black dude, Barack Hussein Obama? Right. Yeah. This community center leader. Yeah.

He's a state senator from Illinois. Like, who's this dude? So things emerge, and I'm hopeful that that will happen, but I think it's going to take a concerted effort to find those people.

How is there not just a decent candidate out there right now? And I don't want to say it in like a... It sounds ignorant what I'm about to say, but I don't think right now like like and and i don't want to say it in like a it sounds come it sounds ignorant what i'm about to say but like i don't think right now is the time to put a a minority woman up there right like if you're trying to win like i know obviously that would be good progress

all that but like i think the way the country is right now if you want to win you probably need to just like uh uh almost you know back to a more prototypical politician which is not you know great for progress and all that but in terms of trying to win the party and there's just nobody that's just like hey this is a young guy like ivy league just brilliant in like the tech field who wants to do civic duty like there just is nobody or or did like something happen was there somebody who had promised that like dropped out or there was a scandal or something like that? I mean, look, people, again, in 04, people made that same argument. And like people, that's what they're like.

Oh, John Edwards, like Southern moderate Democrat. And then he flames out in Obama, the Illinois guy. Right. So you never know. I think there are, there is a bench. Like someone you guys might really like is Wes Moore, who's governor from Maryland. Just like a cool younger guy serving the military. There was this awesome clip of him like in full pads or maybe not full pads, but he was like wearing a football uniform, like going to practice with the Maryland team.

And they're just like, they're trying to punch out the ball so hard. And he's got these guns, but he's like gripping it with all his life. Like just a young, cool guy. It's crazy, but that shit like that matters. It should not matter but it really matters yeah dude donald trump serving mcdonald's like was brilliant yeah brilliant but that so that guy that makes a difference i think so it's so like like if if you can't see through that though you know what i mean but the fact that there are people out there being like he drove a truck that that day. He was in McDonald's. I know. He's an everyman. It's like, he would spit on you and piss on you and, like, you know. But dorks in D.C., myself included, sometimes think of, like, campaigns and candidates as, like, a list of policies. But your average, like, the biggest disconnect in politics is people who pay a lot of attention and then people who pay no attention.

Yeah, huge gap. And not because they're bad or dumb or, like, they're busy. Yeah. They have shit going on. And so you see Trump serving McDonald's on TikTok, and you're like, oh, that's funny. That's relatable. I like him. And that's how people vote.

I remember seeing that before the election coming up, or the election that just passed, where it was like, we're all getting worked up, and this is going to be decided by 3,000 people in Michigan who didn't even know until they got to the poll that Biden wasn't running. And it kind of puts things in perspective. You're like, okay, I can exhale. It is really out of my control right now.

But you said earlier about in 2004, that's exactly how I was before this election with MAGA people. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. That's exactly how I was before this election with MAGA people. Right. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. Like, Barstool gets pigeonholed as conservative, right? I don't totally know why that is. Maybe it's a Dave thing. Yeah, Dave's on Fox News every day.

Yeah, that tracks. That'll do it. That'll do it. Stop putting us in a box! But some of it is, like, issues that come up a lot in a comedy space, like cancel culture. Right. And like I sometimes I think people like think of cancel culture as a partisan thing when really both sides do it and what they really like. Internet pylons are bad.

Yeah. Here's what happened. Here's what happened. We were talking about relatively recently. We used to write blogs called the pussification of America. That was cancel culture and woke. We just came up. Dave came up with his own little phrase for it.

And that was like participation trophies and like uh at that point it was like you know we were making gender neutral jokes and things that are like totally you know can't do anymore but at that point it was like yeah can you believe that the high school coach is not allowed to you know run your kids into the ground anymore and things like that and then that kind of became more political but i remember we would write we were almost like people would send us those articles and be like blog about this because like people are being pussies basically and then that became like such a thing like i don't i hate either side of it like like i obviously being in comedy in some regard and and people getting canceled for jokes i don't like

that but then the other side of complaining about it so much became like i don't want to do that either you know what i mean so i don't want to do that either. You know what I mean? So I don't want to be like when people are like, yeah, make fun of cancel culture. It's like, you're fucking lame. Just as lame too. So the extremes of it just got, you know. Cancel culture I think never was a thing.

Like whatever you're mad about, there is someone making that joke successfully right now. If you're like, we can't say blank anymore. There's a show doing it. There's a stand-up doing it. They're just doing it better than the person who got in trouble. Yeah, Jess Lennox. There's someone making the joke that you think can't be made. You're like, oh, we can't say that anymore.

Yes, you can. There's someone making a lot of fucking money doing it. They just do it right. I guess what I ask is, I remember you reached out to me several years ago. You're like, hey, come on my show. And I was a fucking wimp and a loser. And I was was like i can't because barstool brand is bad and our audience will not like it and i think back on that and i really regret it because i think it's stupid for me to suggest that like you guys or your audience like first of all share all the views of the place you work like that's not how life works we don't like espouse the views of our

corporation right like yeah yeah well i always thought that was funny it was like and i get because we're just a smaller shop but it's like you don't go to like an espn and be like what is scott van pelt must think the same thing as john skipper right you know these are just people who work at the same place yeah but also like i think from a just a purely like tactical political perspective it's so stupid for democrats not to be talking to the barstool audience and then complain when people vote for donald trump i mean and that's kind of like what i you you just can't ever underestimate how many and how like passionate there are people who are like in the midwest who just like love football and like i always think of it from like a like a content

point of view right but it kind of applies to politics where it's like these guys just want to talk about football and their life. And we're in this bubble over here and don't realize that that is a big, big swath of America. And if you ignore that or not even ignore that, but like actively piss them off and belittle them or treat them so they feel that way for a long time, there's going to be a backlash. But that was an active thought for you to be like, you know what? It was just me being worried about getting beaten down by the internet. Yeah. I get that. Like, on the other, you know, put the shoe on the other foot.

Like, if I can't even think. I guess Tucker Carlson. If Tucker Carlson wanted to come on the show, I'd be like, no, I don't want to do that. And, like, it probably isn't smart. I'm not talking about numbers or business or anything like that. But it's kind of like what we were talking about earlier about the village. It's easier to just talk to people.

But now I feel like all of us have audiences that we just assume their audience is going to suck. So they're going to want to talk about blank. That I don't want to sit down and talk with them. Which, again, is dumb probably for both people yeah like i think when when you go on a show of any kind whether it's like i almost feel like a hundred percent of the time you walk out of like an interview being like no that wasn't so bad that guy was like pretty cool or like we didn't totally agree on like everything but like he's better in person it's like the problem is the fan bases because politics has just become sports it's like the way you radically root for your team

and i will never give a yankee fan like any credit or any humanity like i you know i just hate them but it's just silly it's sports when you apply that to real life politics it's a fucking problem but i do not know how like i don't know how to stop that at all there's no because even if there is some humanity amongst candidates like you're not going to stop your either of your mobs from engaging the way they engage you know what i mean yeah you can draw lines but you can't stop like jack to your question a couple minutes ago of like why do i like politics there is a piece of it where it's like you're on a team it's a shared experience you like you share the suck when it's terrible and the the good times when it's fun uh and there's a competitive piece of it and i think like i miss that in my life like i wasn't good at sports but i liked playing sports right i like being on a team

and part of like a shared goal and mission and bro let me tell you just go play like with like a men's basketball league don't do politics I will dislocate my shoulders so fast. Yeah, I know. For the fourth time. Yeah, yeah. I actually. Politics is at least safe physically for now. Yeah, right, right, right. I actually, I don't, I'm not confused why you get into politics.

I actually, I kind of like politics to an extent. I like. You're used to me. Well, I don't like talking about them on podcasts. Because I hate, like, if we're going to have a real conversation like we're doing now I'm happy to do that but I just hate being like is it Trump funny and I really like that's like how the podcast circuit works like do you see what Trump did yesterday it's so funny I'm like uh can we like you want to talk about like an idea I'm sure I'd love to talk about that but like the I can't do with it's the fan bases I can't deal with fan

bases and stuff like that 99% of people I interact with I like. Yeah. I like them and I have fun with them. Yeah. But just the one – if you're wearing it on your sleeve and all that shit, like if someone came in here, like again, like Tom Carlson, like a MAGA hat, I'd be like, I don't want to do this interview. Like this is so dumb. Yeah. I mean it became – I hate to be the – nobody likes the – it feels very much like you have to pick a side these days.

You know what I mean? And it's like when both sides are pretty radical and everything does kind of suck, it's hard. It's like I don't know what to do politically. It's like because I don't agree with one side. I don't like the way the other side acts. Like, there's different things that are not likable about each side. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I am very much like, you know, man without a party where I'm like, I don't like any of this, like, at all.

Yeah, it feels bleak right now. I mean, I think what's so annoying about politics is, like, a few thousand votes one way or the other, and you win or lose. And if you win, you're a genius and you lose, you're a moron. That's just not how it works. You know what I mean? Like, so I think it's treated as so zero sum, but the truth is right now, America is like a 50, 50 country, you know, and we're all acting like, look, the Republicans have all the control. They will for at least two years. There's going to be some dark times for, you know, libs like me getting triggered left and right. Lib-tard. But I think, like, it's a pendulum.

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What time is it? GameTime. Yeah. Now, I have a question there because that's another idea that I had forgotten about that I might want to pitch to you. You said America is kind of like a 50-50 country. I think what America needs, because we are so divided, more divided than we've ever been, I think we need state TV. Tell me more.

Like North Korea type shit? Kind of. Kind of. maybe a diet version i'm listening where it's like it's a pretty good place and like let's all just accept that it's a good place what's we're starting there it's not the greatest it's a it's it's not perfect but it's a good spot it's a pretty good spot we got here right and just just reminding people every day like hey it's not so bad it's not so bad yeah like you know what i mean like yeah like hey girls like Right. And just reminding people every day, like, hey. It's not so bad. It's not so bad.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, hey, girls, you can show your ankles if you wanted to. There are some things that are pretty cool around here. I remember reading before the election, and you'll know this better than me, but I remember reading that post-pandemic, we had the best economy in the world or at least in the G7. And I travel a good amount and we're better than the other places. And like, I really love them.

I love them. I love going, but like just someone reminded and someone like, well, someone who's not in a party affiliated, someone like, I don't even know who it would be, but just someone who's like, Hey guys, things aren't so bad today. you're like okay now i can talk to other people because it's not defcon 5 right now or defcon 1 right yeah i feel like your state tv idea like that kind of exists like pbs or something like substantive and thoughtful and like no no one wants it can't be that okay he wants like the the fast and the furious version okay okay well dwayne the Rock Johnson was going to be someone I threw out,

although he's fell out of grace recently. Well, that's not a bad idea, then. But just someone being like, hey, you guys see the football game last night? That was pretty cool. Popeye's still here. Just stuff like Brutalist is unbelievable in theaters right now. Just some good shit we got going on. Yeah.

Instead, we have the opposite, which is a bunch of social media sites dividing us in algorithms and making us hate each other. I don't see any end in sight. I don't either. Part of me thinks that Trump has been so one of a kind that nobody can take that baton and run with it the same way that he has. That's why before this election, I was like, people were in 04. I was like, i was super confident yeah i was like he i i was very i i i just don't think kamala was a great uh kamala was a great candidate and i thought it was just crazy i was like i feel like it was almost the running joke for like three years was like we're hiding her in the basement

she's doing nothing and then all of a sudden it was like we lied actually she's the greatest candidate ever and i remember being like i don't even if you don't like her or it's just not the way to run this you know what i mean but he had me i was like i don't know john seems pretty confident i was like i was sitting back smoking cigar i was like commo's gonna win a blood i was like i was like, I don't think so. But man, he's really... Kevin would have like a million polls. It doesn't seem that way, but those are wrong. I was so... I'm a logic guy.

And logically, I was like, I don't understand how you can lose by 7 million votes, get convicted 34 times, get found, you know, whatever the... However I'm supposed to legally phrase the, um, E. Carol. Right. I forget her last name. Yeah.

The sexual assault. Sexual assault. Um, and, and I was like, I don't, you can't lose by 7 million votes and pick up votes. You would think. Yeah. But like, so did you think that Kamala was a great candidate? And I mean, to put aside, like all of these people are accomplished and smart and like, you know, you come from a great background as an attorney and all that.

I'm not saying she's an idiot, but it's like in terms of being the president. Listen, I mean, winning is everything, right? So if you lose, I don't think you're a great candidate. I thought she did. I thought like spinning up a campaign in 107 days is next to impossible. I think they did a lot of things right. There are a bunch of things. I feel like that was like the machine though, no?

No. The money. Everyone was like, oh, the money came in. I think the money was lot of things right there a bunch of things I think they did wrong no no because the money everyone's like oh the money the money came in the money was gonna hire staff anybody look it was not perfect and I think they should have taken more swings and like too many too much uh has been written or discussed like should she do Rogan or not like of course you do Rogan yeah just do everything yeah but um yeah, I think you need to loosen up and just let rip a little bit. But, you know, like what did I think going in? I thought odds are he was going to win because everyone, all incumbents were losing. But by the end, I let myself kind of get talked into her winning. Believe. I wanted to believe.

I thought from the debate, I was like, it's the same thing as the other one. It's one person who can speak and one person who can't. She did well in that one debate. They only did the one. And I was like,'s the same thing as the other one it's one person who's quality like who can speak and one person did well in that one debate they only did the one and i was like after that like it when when the uh assassination attempt happened that's when i thought it was over okay yeah because i remember thinking that was another one i was like i was like it's a wrap and i remember him being like we're pretty far out from the election like that that might like fade in time i was like oh that's a good point but i do think things like that really matter that fucking imagery and the yeah you know it just rallies it's it's you know that was crazy by the way that was crazy imagine if his head just got fucking blown up on tv that would have been i mean his head would have exploded on television

would have been really bad i think it would have descended the country into horrible madness violence yeah yeah that would have been the country into horrible madness violence yeah yeah that would have been nuts but yeah i mean so he's got four more years he's a lame duck uh really it's two years until the midterms and then democrats if they win can block what he wants to do but like it's a two-year window for the party to get his shit together and figure out what they want to be for or fumble the bag you know what what is you said something there where you're talking about blocking um what he wants to do and i was thinking about that yesterday when he signed i forget come under executive order yeah and i think at least a good deal of them or some of them

were designed to undo what biden did yeah has that is that how it's always been that the next guy just undoes everything the last guy because you can't really get anything going at that point. Right. I mean, so yes and no, like an executive order is kind of a glorified press release. Like you are telling the government how to implement laws that exist. You can't like create new laws. You can't amend laws. You can't appropriate money for things. You can move money around a little bit. So it's like EOs are real in some instances, like you can sanction a country or you can like make immigration policy. But you can't do big things like you can't pass Obamacare or whatever, like that has to be through Congress. You can't put money towards something.

So he undid a bunch of things biden did through executive order yesterday like that's not that surprising to me but what will get harder for him is passing things through congress but did biden do the same thing when he got out like did he some shit like you know undid the muslim ban or like got you back into the paris climate accords that just got us out of yeah so that like at some point don't like we have to have to, it's almost like a team changing coach every two years. You're like, you can't get anything going if we just, every four years, we're just undoing what the last guy did. That's right. And it's all this bullshit about, like, I'm going to do this on day one.

And that ends up being all these executive orders that are, like, kind of, they're not as meaningful. It's almost like PR, right? It's like you're announcing this is what I believe or what I think. Right, like he put past an EO yesterday that will prevent uh the government from blocking freedom of speech did you guys notice a big difference today yeah well but almost like free speech is one we get a little too worked up about i'm an anti-free speech guy i think free speech should be treated like oh no like it should be treated like be treated like a baby crying. Where you're like, no one stop it, but I'm not loving it.

That's fair. Yeah. We shouldn't be proud of it. It's like, yeah, this has to happen. No one's ever been a free thinker or a free speech guy. And you're like, get a load of this guy. Turn him up a little bit. Well, the people who exercise free speech are the worst.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's the problem. Yeah. I believe that there's like a thousand people who should get the vote. Like I really – here are my two big hot takes. Like one, I think people are just dreadfully uninformed. Myself being one of them, I don't know enough about any of this shit to really voice my opinion.

And two, we need to, like, we got to break up the country into, like, five different countries. I legitimately, like, there's just no way that, like, people from the Northeast are going to align with, you know, people from, like, Mississippi.

It's like, it's different countries. It's so big. Like an ap poll and then conferences yeah no i i think there should be like the northeast needs to be a country the southeast needs to be a country the california california should be his own country yeah we got it uh and then like from like the like washington state through like the midwest can just be like them and then like Texas. We'll call it like the Bush or something. But like how in the world, why in the world would I ever think, feel, and be under the same rules, laws, lifestyle from like someone from Mississippi, Alabama? It's just like we're not – when you look – like when Europe, it's like so tight together and they're all these like little itty bitty places we have this massive fucking country with such diverse economics and thoughts and all that like why would it be under

one rule that's insane yeah but then there's the there's the federalist approach where you know you have a bunch of states that can make their own laws so there's flexibility yeah yeah i mean i get it but it's just it's it just feels like you're going – I feel like we ultimately started as a people who are similar, right? And then it's like you grow out in different economies, different styles, and then naturally you just keep going separate from each other. And it's like I probably would relate more to certain European countries than I would to some guy

you know in texas who's like farming and loves his guns and all that shit's like we are from different planets right well this is the problem with the country it evolves over time there's immigration people are having kids like industries evolve and change and it looks different and it feels different and we kind of have to grow into that. And we look to leaders to either bring us together or pull us apart as those things happen. And I think, like, Trump is trying to pull us apart and make us hate each other. And I think that's the scary piece. So what happens, like, what if Trump just, like, kills it? What if he's great?

Yeah. Well, like what would like, you know, I know there are times where it's like. Like, what's good, like what was his name on the soccer team who didn't make the national team like 10 years ago? Landon Donovan. Remember, he got left off the team. Yeah. And I was like, that guy's sitting at home rooting against America. For sure. You know, he just is.

And I feel like there's a lot of that that goes on where it's like, I think there are people right now who would rather the country perform poorly and things go bad so they can be like – Right now, the world is stuck in being right. They want to be right. Whether you're arguing about sports or like literal – like life. It's like I would rather be right than happy, prosperous, good. You know what I mean? No doubt. People get dug in. They get dogged and ridiculous about their

views and they hate the other guy more than they like their own team yeah yeah that shit happens all the time it's like it's sports yeah but again that's you shouldn't do that no it's bad it's definitely bad look from just from my personal perspective like trump uh there was just a ceasefire in gaza yeah biden people worked on this deal for like 13 months. Trump got it over the finish line. He told his envoy to go over there and basically get it done. And like when he named this dude, it was like his golf buddies, like real estate guy, Steve Witkoff. I made fun of it. I was like, who's this fucking clown? He's the Middle East peace envoy. And then the guy sealed the deal and got a ceasefire to happen, at least temporarily. And I give Trump tons of

credit for that. And if he can cut a deal with uh the russians and ukrainians that leads to peace there that isn't just like ukraine getting gutted and losing all its territory and not being able to defend itself going forward the guy should get the nobel peace prize you know what i mean like yeah yeah go president trump right i would cheer for you but you're right like i remember i was in the White House when we killed Osama bin Laden. And there were Republicans who even that week, like, wouldn't praise Obama. Right. I was like, ah, OK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're doing, like, the Super Bowl interview the morning after, still drunk. And, like, he couldn't get any love from anybody. Like, Lindsey Graham. Like, I see how this works. Right. I get the game here, you know? How much of it is a game? Because I remember seeing, I think it was at Jimmy Carter's funeral,

there was the video of like, it was Trump and Obama. Real quick, did you see that stat about Jimmy Carter? That he was alive for 490 of Babe Ruth's home runs? That's crazy. And 490 of Giancarlo Stanton's home runs. He saw the same amount of home runs as Babe Ruth and Mike Stanton. That guy was alive for 1,000 so long so long but when it was it was i'm sure you've seen it trump and obama like kind of laughing with each other which like as someone who likes obama doesn't

like trump i was like kind of like at first i was like people didn't love it but at the same time like i was like well that's what i would do i'm at a fucking funeral some guy hey hits me i laugh about i'm like i play nice and you know we're again we're a goddamn presidential funeral but like aside from that video how much of politics is that of people like who hate each other publicly just being like yo what's up bro yeah yeah it's a guy we're playing everybody like a fiddle huh we're all getting rich and fucking power and all that. Yeah. I've been told, like, my buddy was Jeb's communications guy, and he said Trump was like – Please clap.

Yeah. Trump was, like, the number one guy there. Like, commercial break would happen in a debate. Like, ah, how you doing? How's your family? What's going on? Like, and you can see that in Trump. He's a –

I think he's, like, Clinton-esque in that regard. He's a glad handler. He's a – He's kissing babies. He wants to be loved, right? So there is some bullshit to it. These guys, especially back in the day, they were all elite members of the same social circle, same schools, same money. Yeah.

Right? So they were buddies, and I think it kept it a little more cordial. And these days, it's just a bit more cutthroat. Did you see the clip of this girl I follow on Instagram who is a lip reader? And at the inauguration Obama leaned over to he walks in and he was like

how can we stop what's happening that's good good question sir Bush always fucks around Bush like cracks jokes slap bum in the stomach does he have like a PR team or is it just like I mean like one of the worst war criminals ever 20 years ago now he's like a PR team or is it just like, I mean, like one of the worst war criminals ever 20 years ago.

Now he's like this funny, goofy guy. That's weird. Is that like a, was that like a conscious thing or that just happened? Because he's one of those guys who naturally is kind of like liked as well, even though. I think that's just his vibe. Yeah. He just is a goofball. Yeah.

It's weird. I don't love it either. You know, like destined to be MLB commissioner forced to be a war criminal. Like he just wanted to like own the, and he should have stuck in that. I know. But, you know, it's crazy. Like, I mean, you know what the— Wait.

Sorry. I'm going to interrupt because it's important. One more idea I wanted to pitch to you. Please. You were saying war criminal reminded me. It's actually not my idea. It's PFT's. And when I saw him say it once, I was like, that's the most brilliant idea ever.

What if, after you're president, you have to go to jail? For how long? Forever. As president, you probably committed some war crimes. If you're American president, you go to jail after. I think that's a great idea. I don't know about that one.

I don't think I'd be signing up for that job. Now we're getting people who are committed to the cause. You're really down to ride. Real killers. God spoke to you. You know this is a calling. Because if you're signing up, you're going to jail. What kind of jail?

Like real federal? It'd be a nice jail. Okay. Like one of those Swedish prisons? Yeah. It's like a fence this high. Yeah. It's where that horrible terrorist in Sweden went.

Or Norway. What was the guy's name? Reykjavik or something like that. The's like a fence this high. Yeah. It's where that horrible terrorist in Sweden went, or Norway. What was the guy's name? Reykjavik or something like that, the guy who shot like 77 people. Yeah, he's like hanging out. I remember seeing his prison after. They're like, please don't go outside that fence. And they're like, okay, yeah. Wait, Reykjavik's a city.

Brevik. I don't know. I'm glad I don't know the name of this. But I saw his prison cell toured once, and I was like, not bad. What the fuck kind of tourism are you doing? No, no, no, no, no. It was on video. It was on video.

But it was like he had access to guitars, he had a music room. So the president could have all, they can have what he has. Okay. We'll take this one up the chain. Okay. At the risk of dying by suicide in a couple days,

the Clintons in the party, I feel like it would be best to move on and get rid of them. I mean, I think this is the other thing the Democratic Party really fucked up the last couple of cycles. Like, Obama ran against Washington and against his own political party. We ran against the Clintons. And, like, the message was he was anti-Iraq war

and anti-establishment. And in 2016 we were like here is Hillary Clinton someone you've known for 30 years in many cases like a lot of you have very strong feelings against her negatively right and then we ran Joe Biden who pulled it off the first time but still was like a fixture of Washington and I think being for the establishment being for the status quo like senators that have been around for decades that can't that's not the future like we have a gerontocracy problem we gotta get there really gotta be a limit like a i agree i mean it's crazy limits age limits whatever crazy like what would you cap it at if it was an age 65 70 i 70? I think even, like, because, you know, you probably, I know plenty of 70-year-olds who are fine, but it's, like, it's the same reason. I also know, like, a 30-year-old that could probably be smart enough, but you're just too young, and then you're just too old.

Like, it is insane that these guys are literally ancient corpses. And I also think there has to be something done about, like, Nancy Pelosi's money. I don't know what goes on there, but it's weird, and it it's just i know it's enough of an issue where it's just like there's this is broken you know what i mean like the fact that you can buy and sell individual stocks as a member of congress is insane and it should be banned how is there if there's any sort of insider trading rules that exist how is that allowed it's outrageous and it should not happen and it drives me crazy i I guess as long as... Do you follow unusual whales?

The rule is like, it's like Belichick. It's like, fix the rule then. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to not get rich if I can. You invoked Belichick, now I have to... I'm like, you're right. He's like my brother. I'm like, you're right, Bill would do that.

Bill would take the wind. I know he would. But like that is, you know know it's like that also just gives something it just gives ammo to to the other side and or or detractors or whatever faith yes like because i i i probably get a little more conspiratorial than than the average person okay but i also and i know like i don't think you do I think I actually yeah as conspiratorial as the average person yeah yeah I think I used I probably used to be a little more right yeah but I also do like a lot of that as more of just like you know for fun just thinking outside the box whatever I don't

like believe a lot of it but I do believe like there is that there's just so much mistrust there's so distrust that just feels like i and i i don't know if it's got to be like a new party system or like a new like what would it take for there to be like a change in in the election process the how many parties are involved how many right like yeah like well i we're just so entrenched in this that how do you stop it? Yeah. I mean I think we'd have to – a third-party candidate could run and do really well like a Ross Perot in 92 and steal a bunch of votes from one side. But even that, they never have a real shot, right? Never a real shot.

But like you've never seen someone that was really good and determined. And part of that is because it's super hard to get on the ballot and it's expensive. And there's all these roadblocks set up to keep third party candidates off ballots. And I've been a person who's, I'm not like work to do that, but have criticized them because I thought, you know, such and such like the green party or something will steal votes from

Democrats while helping Trump. Right. Yeah, totally. But you know, in Europe there's parliamentary systems or proportional representation where you have multiple parties that have more did that evolve though or were they always you know what i mean like yeah i mean those are just their system like just how it works in like the uk

or in israel um you can evolve over time like you can raise or lower the threshold of vote you need to get into parliament and get a seat but like we you know we're kind of stuck with the two-party system right now i feel like we're stuck forever how's that gonna change i think it has to change from the inside like i think people have to give a shit and get involved and try to fix the things that exist that's my personal yeah now people can disagree people can say fuck that burn it down this sucks i'm i'm not voting but um that's it you know who steps in there? American State TV. Right. You don't have to burn it down, guys. A little ASTV.

Everyone easy with the lighters and torches. Just fucking put them down for a second. They used to always, particularly like Trump's first term, when people were like, Washington needs a shakeup. I'm like, I don't think it does. Well, you know what? Unfortunately, like Trump is such an extreme of it. But I think there was a real appeal to people who hate the 90,000-year-old Mitch McConnell and the old people.

And we liked that it was a normal, quote-unquote, even though he's the furthest thing from normal, but not a career politician is really what it was. And if there was somebody who was a little more like less polarizing. Mark Cuban. Yeah, Yeah. But I, but I also think that once you get there, like, I think Mark Cuban would be just as bad in the other direction because you fall into the role and it's like, oh, I can't just like play it down the middle. You got to pick sides.

You got to, if there's too much money and like your life's in danger, if you don't, you know what I mean? It's like, it's easy to say these things, but it's much harder when you get there to actually do it. It's tough. It's tough. And look, I worked for Obama much harder when you get there to actually do it. It's tough. And look, I worked for Obama and like he ran, he got to the Senate. Fox News recognized him as a threat. And then one morning I'm watching TV and they're doing a report on how he was raised at a radical madrasa in Indonesia.

And they're suggesting he's like a terrorist. And it's like the beginning of this decade long birther process. So the media plays a role in this, like opposition research types and partisan hacks, and it can take on a life of its own, and it can take the political debate in this stupid, shitty, negative place that has nothing to do with the things that you're actually voting on or trying to do in Washington that makes the whole thing harder, and social media is making that way worse. It's really made like the age of technology and the age of information or whatever it is technically that we're living in

has oddly become like the age of faith. Because no matter what you believe, you can find statistics to say that confirmation bias is a whole industry. I know. No one's comfortable saying, I don't know. Like, did the COVID come from the wet market or the lab? I don't know. I really wish I know. Yeah. No one's comfortable saying, I don't know. Like, did the COVID come from the wet market or the lab? I don't know. I really wish I knew. It pisses me off

that I don't know. I could believe both. I don't fucking know. Right. Yeah, people have shown me things that say both. Both seem pretty credible. I'm just gonna have to go with what I think. It's like they show me pictures that the world is round. Did you see that dude who went to the South Pole recently? That was great. He was like, I was wrong.

Hand up, Will. That guy see that dude who went to the South Pole recently? That was great. He was like, I was wrong. I was wrong. Hand up. Well, that guy was getting so much love in the comments of being like, we need more of this in the world where you're willing to admit you're wrong. And I was like, correct. That is true. We don't need to give this guy. This guy does not deserve an ounce of anything.

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podcast talking about politics that i think is insufferable and there are some they're all my favorite people they're all like my favorite comics i think they're all very funny i listen to their shows about all the other topics i love and i'm like i just don't think you should be involved in this at fucking all i mean i think like that's one of the things trump did really well was he went on those shows and he engaged with those people. Like he he like went on and talked to Theo Vaughn and Theo Vaughn asked him about doing cocaine. I was like, man, that's like compelling content. But so there's a difference between like compelling content and like.

I wish people could watch that and like not have that sway what they think about the election or what they're going to vote for. It's yeah, it's cool that he would like entertain a conversation about cocaine i don't know if that necessarily means you should vote for him yeah look i'm trying to give the like the i'm trying to be open-minded like i wish democrats did more of these shows and they went on theo von show and try to convince him rather than like scold him for talking to trump oh that's step one right yeah like do i wish you know when i watched Rogan's interview with Trump, that he was, like, a little more informed and pushed back on stuff and told Trump when he was wrong?

Yeah. But, like, I feel like that's – I could be complaining for the rest of my life if that's what I wanted. As someone, like, who in these situations, I assume you're pretty informed, are you, like, screaming at the TV? Like – I mean, sometimes. Yeah.

I don't know. I'm just used to it. They just liked him they like here's the thing you know what it is like he the fact that he would sit down for three hours and just talk to someone is the thing that's what matters it's like there's probably a whole bunch of lies and and phony shit and he didn't push back all that shit but it's also like these other robots just wouldn't even be able to like physically do that. Right. You know, there's like the there's whether someone your friends, it's like, you know, they're not a good guy, but they're nice to you. Yeah. That just kind of means everything.

Like he clearly was cool to Rogan. They built that relationship over a long time. Like he clearly is made friends with like Taylor Le the one and the Boston with the boys guys, right? Like you build relationships and you get to know someone and then you see all these criticisms of him or like policy ideas he has. And you're like, yeah,

he's not going to do that. He's not a bad dude. And you know, do I wish people brought a little bit of more critical eye to that conversation? Absolutely. But I also don't really think it's their job. I think it's the democratic party's job to go to those places and make their case and like do that pushing back.

Do you think that they have like the Democrats have to stop focusing on hating Trump and being anti? Yes. Yeah. Republican. Right. To me, it's like it's like complaining about like, again, sports analogy. It's like complaining about the Patriots or the Yankees when your team fucking sucks. It's like being a Jets fan. It's like, get your own shit in order before you. But I think we got to watch what he does, not what he says. You can't be outraged all the time. You can't go down every rabbit hole. But it's like, all right, buddy, you said you are going to bring down inflation on day one. Where's the results? You said you're going to end the war in Ukraine on day one. Have you done it yet? Right. Like, hold his feet to the fire on that. When these mass deportations happen and families are getting ripped apart from their kids from parents, highlight those stories and the harm that's getting done.

But even that, I mean, that's different. You do have to shine a light on it if that kind of shit's happening. But even, like, worrying about holding his feet to the fire rather than, like, get your shit in order for the next election. You know what I mean? You gotta do both. But, like, the next election is two years. You ain't changing anything. The next election is the midterms.

You're right. He's not running again. He's a lame duck. But it's about... It's a different worldview. Proving that his is not going to work for... Look, he said he was going to be... But isn't that what we just said? You shouldn't do that.

You've got to do both. You've got to tell people who you are, what you're for. I want the Democratic Party to be the party for working people. I want us to be anti-war. I want us to be anti-establishment and not just for like fucking broken systems i want to get money out of politics those are things i want the democratic party to be for right but i also want voters who think that like trump is this populist who's working for the working people to realize that all the naga voters who went to the DC inaugural stuff got left outside while like the tech oligarchs sat on stage yeah like what does that tell you about

he's got his ear you know what I mean that's where I'm like trying to get good information but you can't like you're not going to change their minds there's nothing you can do to convince people who love Donald Trump that like they're not they're never going to see the light so why even waste your time love no like there's like MAGA diehard loyalists if you're going to Trump hat you're going to rallies you're probably with him for life but there are and vice versa by the way it's like you're not 10 percent of swing voters that decide every single election yeah and like Democrats convince themselves that all we have to do is turn out our people and what we really need to do is persuade people and this is what Obama was really good at right

like there was this story Obama would tell one of our organizers in like Virginia or something knocked on a door and it was this old lady and she's like, Hey, you know, I'm so-and-so from the Obama campaign. I was just wondering who you're voting for and who your husband's voting for. Cause like,

that's what you do in field work. Right. And she's like, honey, who are you voting for? And the guy yells back, I'm voting for the the guy yells back i'm voting for the racial slur and like that's a horrible story is that the door no this is a

an organizer told okay okay that's a horrible story that someone would talk that way but i think it also spoke to an ability he had to connect with someone who was like openly racist yeah that person thought that's crazy he you, cared about them economically or on all these other issues. Like, there's more to the story that I'm forgetting. But it was just Obama would, like, he just tried to talk to people. He tried to convince them. He tried to make his case and, like, not make you feel stupid if you disagreed. That's, I mean, the feeling of, like, the condescension, I think, is a big problem.

Yeah, there is a real feeling of it. Whether it's real, perceived, whatever, that is the issue you know it's like yeah it's like people feel like they've been talked to like they're idiots and then they can kind of stick it to you by like i think that got people out to vote that ordinarily wouldn't you know because it's like i want to prove this person wrong because again it's about the other guy losing more than your guy winning half the time you know for sure and part of Trump was a backlash to Obama and all the things he did and what he stood for, et cetera. And I think there is this pendulum that just swings. When you say we, well, the Democratic Party a lot, do you say that as a Democrat or are you involved in the DNC?

I'm not involved at all. Just as a Democrat, just a shorthand. I mean, it's like I say we with the Mets. It's sports, man. I'm telling you. It's all just like irrational fandom. What's your fucking billionaire insider trader guy's name? Steve Cohen.

Steve Cohen. You mean Trump? You watch your tone, son. You watch your tone in this house. But you were saying earlier, you said we, the Democratic Party, is in kind of like a dejected phase i actually think we i'm a registered democrat uh should stay in that because i do i think like what we're saying with like if we go back to how like like i actually think over the last four years i think the the game flipped and personally I believe that conservatives became the whiners.

And I think traditionally, historically, the Democratic Party is the whining party. And I think that's changed where it was just like, we won, we won. And all the J6, all that stuff. I think Democrats need to stay not whining. I agree with you. And I actually think that's an argument for getting rid of Electoral College. Because once he won the popular vote, I was like, he won. Like, what are you going to do?

The guy won. Really nothing you can get worked up about. Yeah, I mean, the Electoral College at this point, though, like, there is – I mean, you need that just out of representation, right? Out of, like, population issues. Yeah, I just think it's, like, almost impossible to change. I hear you. Look, I don't want to be the party whiner.

This is the thing that always surprised me about like this intense kind of bro affection for Trump because he just bitches all the time and it would drive me crazy. Like if you play pick up hoops with someone who complained that much, you would hate them in five minutes. And what I found as someone who did play sports, I always saw those people who were like still trying to chase like a sports locker room. And it was often people who didn't play sports it was i always saw those people who were like still trying to chase like a sports locker room and it was often people who didn't play sports i was like no this isn't what it's like like this bro like no it's like you read a wikipedia page on how to be a locker and that yeah you're not actually it you know but that's again where i think it comes from like a it's just uh he's just really good at rallying people. Right. Like, it's just this popularity PR contest that he's always that doesn't surprise me because he's always been good at that in that regard.

You know? Yeah. And it's just point out what sucks about the other side. Come up with these, you know, we're going to call it the Gulf of America. I'm going to invent the external revenue service. I'm going to buy Greenland. I'm going to gonna you know these are just dumb things but people go like yeah and if you want and he wants like democrats to freak

out and we need to not freak out about silly shit and focus on things that matter and that's kind of like what i'm getting at with the feet to the fire thing it's like find the things that matter matter to people like inflation like cost of living ending wars for real focus on that but like when i say we it's like i'm a democrat but basically long story short like i thought joe biden was too old to run in 2020 and we kind of were critical of him that white house hated us for like four years i got some friends of mine worked in there and they were cool they were helpful but like we never got an interview with him or anything not that we deserved one i'm not saying that because you were just critical because we were critical and they held grudges and they were like screw those that's

i'd say it probably you might not think you deserved it i would venture to guess you guys deserved i think it would be smart of them to like try to build progressive media the way you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face on that it's like that that is they're just dumb about shit it's just like just, it feels like you're living in the past and you gotta like get with the times and realize

that maybe it shouldn't be this way with some of the shit, but it is. So get with it, you know? I just want to, like my,

what I want to do going forward is just be as honest as we were the night after that debate. Just be like, yeah, that's like the guy

on my team, but that was terrible and it's insulting to tell voters my team but that was terrible and voter it's insulting to tell voters to vote for that i i can't understand though like it's got to be infuriating where it's like you know if uh like i was watching trump dance to the ymca with his sword in his hand cutting that that cake and it's like i don't know somebody else like obama wore the tan suit it was the end of the world but like shit he can dance and pretend the microphone's a dick and say dumb shit and it just doesn't matter how many times throughout the last through both of his uh you know the

eight last eight years whatever were you like this is it he's done a million times like little things like oh he you know, he says bigly, right? All the way up to like fucking felonies. But it doesn't stick. And I don't know if that's a testament to him or just the world we're in right now. Because it's like if there's nothing that they would bail on him for. And that's like great for them. Maybe not great for the world or the political system or whatever but it's like that is that's what you need that type of undying

unwavering the most timeless tweet of all time is the the one where it's like i'd like to see old donald trump wiggle himself out of this one and then in parenthetical says trump wiggles himself out easily ah well nevertheless nevertheless i nevertheless. Nevertheless. I love that one, too. I mean, like, nothing sticks, you know? You point out, like, he went into, he was not a politician at a time when people hated politicians. He was one of the most famous people in the world. The Apprentice branded him as a billionaire genius, right? So he had all these, he had this identity that was so fully formed and people liked it.

And, like, Shane Gillis has a bit on this where you watch the first debate and he started going in on like rand paul and telling him his hair sucked or whatever and he's like i don't know we could do this we can do this right and i remember like i remember canceling plans with friends that i hadn't seen in a long time because i wanted to watch a debate because they were thrilling to watch in 2015 now i thought he was going to lose in the general election but there's a piece of that democrats have to find it's like how are we catching people's attention and keeping it and like driving the conversation and trump is a master at that and democrats have not figured out and part of it is like the media infrastructure like fox news like i don't want to

be the whiners but like fox was a pain in my ass for 10 years because they would just manufacture bullshit. The tan suit, the madrasa thing. I think there's a Grey Poupon one I liked a lot. Yeah, he used Grey Poupon mustard. That one doesn't get the love. That one's the craziest. French yellow mustard or some shit? That's crazy.

We were these press guys. We'd be like, sure, there's a controversy you might get asked about Grey Poupon. I was staffing the interview where he wasn't wearing a flag pin one time and they're like why not and they go up into a thing so there's this like infrastructure challenge i think the reason i was pissed at the biden people for not talking to us is we were we are trying to build like progressive media infrastructure yeah on the left it's like they should be backing you like you know instead of they were not they're not but that's that's like that's a problem but we need more of us and we also need like culture shows

like seeing stavros come out and talk about politics the way he did like that's that was the platform was that one clip that went viral super viral and you know stavi is a very he is a very smart guy and very well spokenspoken. But I remember that clip being some pretty normal, basic thought. And people were like, this is incredible. It was in the middle of this dumb conversation of we need a Joe Rogan for the left. And it's like, no, we just need people with big voices

on the left to talk about this stuff in an interesting way. And Stavros came out and said those things. And I was like, I wonder if these people know he was on a show called Comptown. I bet they don't. And I bet they, I wonder if these people know he was on a show called Comptown. I bet they don't. And I bet they wouldn't like that show if they listened to it. So it is really interesting to watch how, like right now, there's always some crazy internal drama at Barstool, right?

Do you know Kirk Manahan? Listen, I catch a lot of, like I catch your show. I catch all the clips you guys do. But this was a great – I see him explode on people. Yes. So he's an absolute lunatic. But he went off and he was fighting Dave while Dave was dealing with this drama with this girl at a company, Brianna.

And there's a lot of gossip about her. Oh, the one who dated the – Yes. Yes, yes, yes. But the point being, long story long, all of a sudden Kirk had this female TikTok fan group that found him, and they were like, we love this guy, because they just found one clip of him saying what they wanted to hear about Dave, Brianna,

whatever it was. And it was like, if you girls watched any of his other shit, you would be like, he's a monster. But the world these days, if you find somebody that confirms your bias and you just latch on and that's it. And I guess maybe you want to do the honorable thing and not play into that, or you want to win. Because it's like, you've got to get dirty if you want those people to to you know back you or join you or whatever and it's just a

internet's an ugly ugly ugly world i don't know how you guys deal with the like internal drama barstool stuff like it's a hype house with the like team whatever on the outside going after you stuff they would make me insane i just bury my head in the sand just ignore it it gets to me too i find the internet to be very illogical and just illogical bothers me where like it's just people being like fuck you that sucks i'm like you did i posted it a minute ago you haven't had time to watch it yet like why are you saying that for no reason like it does like it just does like the idea the steps you would that would it would take to say that today i don't need i don't just mean to me i mean to anybody because it happens to everybody yeah like i just i can't put my plate i put myself

into that kind of mind and that makes me uncomfortable so i don't do it i mean we're still so at the infancy of all of it you know what i mean the internet as a whole and then specifically social media and the like we are not meant to be this it you know what i mean the internet as a whole and then specifically social media and the like we are not meant to be disconnected you know what i mean and so i don't know how like the long-lasting effects are going to be insane because i mean the the amount of just bad depressing awful shit that goes on here and you're just exposed to it all the time yeah it's gonna get worse too i mean yeah i turn on twitter and it's like exposed to it all the time. Yeah, it's going to get worse too. I mean, yeah, I turn on Twitter and it's like, there's just snuff videos everywhere. You tweet something. Twitter's become unusable.

Hardcore porn in every reply. Honestly, I think maybe something that might happen. I think he's got a dumb idea. You know what he was going to do. Actually, that's when you know what's going to happen. Now, let me. This is going to be, this is going to be, this is going to be like, actually, that's when you know it's going to be like, now let me. This is going to be an Elon Musk take. No, no.

This isn't. It actually isn't an idea. It's just it might happen. I think that we as a society killed the internet faster than we killed the planet. I think the internet is unusable. I find it. Oh, yeah. I find social media.

It used to be awesome. It was so fun for a while. Like social media is unusable I think even worse than social media is like our websites

you go to a website it's unusable the ad tech breaks my computer I have a brand new computer I go to like the reuters.com it just crashes my computer

how is this how we're running a fucking railroad so I think maybe we're gonna kill the internet and we gotta get off the internet

this is an interesting point Loveit was making this case last night that like throughout history So I think maybe we're going to kill the internet. And then we got off the internet. This is an interesting point. Love it was making this case last night that like throughout history, um, things become status symbols and they get built up. And then over time that that gets like in the 1800s in Europe, like you wanted to be fat and pale. Yes. Right.

Cause it meant you didn't work in the fields. And then all of a sudden tans were a status symbol and made you hot. The iPhone was a status symbol, and now he thinks there will be people who make a show of getting rid of their phones as a status symbol and get us off them. I would like that to be the case. Yeah, he's made that point before that young kids, when you're young, you hate what your parents like.

So if your parents are on the phone all the time, you're like, fuck. But I think there's something inherent about like the connect, like having access to everything. It's yeah. It's so intuitive and addicting. But like, I vividly remember like as a kid, always seeing my dad read the paper.

I'm like, that's what losers do. So I still have paper to this day. But you know what? Like, I think it's more like you watched your dad watch TV all the time and you were not going to put down a TV. You know what I mean?

You were, you were not going to not watch TV. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's cause it's, it's more like you watched your dad watch TV all the time and you were not going to put that on TV. You know what I mean? You were not going to not watch TV. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's because it's just like, well, I want to look at porn, man. For me, that was cigarettes. Like both my parents smoked and I would watch my dad like crush a soft pack of Camel Unfiltered, like ball it up and try to chuck it and make a basket in the little corner thing and miss it every time. And I was like, I'm not doing that. I smell.

But at some point you do. You see what the older generation is inherently lame. If it's what they're doing, you rebel against it. It's just the way society has worked forever. Again, we haven't dealt with something as addicting as the phone. But like at some point,

there even is like the status symbol to not being online yeah it already exists a new thing you're right mega celebrities like we talk about clooney clooney is not tweeting seinfeld's not tweeting uh even even those pictures which now become their own corny thing but when you post a picture of from the past and everyone goes not a phone in sight everyone just enjoying the moment it's cliche and corny but they are praising that behavior yeah they're not like look at these losers who didn't have phones they're like that's awesome so that was that way even like getting here today i'm like oh thank god i got this thing yeah i mean it's like you become so stupid and

dumb without it it's in that that article i read the the uh anti-social century they had a study i think it was mark emply epley maybe at the university of chicago and he's a sociologist and the study was uh people had to just take public transportation to work and some parts of the study had to talk to people other parts could just sit there quietly and the part of society the part of the group that got to to talk to people unwilling people just like they had to strike up a conversation and like reported like 50 percent more happiness like some insane number yeah well remember the one you talked about a couple weeks ago was that was great it was uh it was like a study that was you could either sit here and do nothing or push this button and it will intentionally shock you.

People did that rather than do nothing. It's a good-ass time to shock yourself. Dude, one guy went 190 times. We were saying that would be him. I read something. This is where I go off on my conspiratorial tinfoil hat or just crazy thoughts. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was some sort of discovery of technology, like ancient whatever society that had technology that we never thought they had. And it basically broke the mold of the idea that technology is always linear and always getting better.

And the idea that it was cyclical, like these people had this and then lost it. And then like the, the knowledge or the information was lost forever. And, and, you know, they didn't get it back until several hundred years later in a different region or whatever,

which would, I mean, that would just like break the entire way we view the world. You know what I mean? Like the thought that maybe something happens catastrophic with the you know the climate or whatever this all burns down and then people are like oh these guys used to have like iphones we didn't know that we thought that you know what i mean you just change the way you view the entire i think like the history technology it's like i'm here i'm glad we're moving away from the Silicon Valley bullshit of like, we're connecting people.

We're making a closer. Fuck you. Meta is where you see your. I'm here to make a billion dollars. The printing press happens. People talk about it as this thing that made the world better. But I think for like 100 years, it was like people printing pamphlets about burning witches.

Yeah. It was like creating bad stuff. And we're in the supercharged version of that now. Hopefully we course correct and figure it out. God knows what AI will do or Zuckerberg getting rid of all the rules. How about that weasel just flipping? I love Mark being like, I don't know what happened to the cultured Facebook. Fuck you.

You made it. Did you see that one? It was like at the very end of the interview, I think, Rogan said something basically being like, yeah, but like it's a bunch of people just like saying that they've changed when they really haven't. And he like kind of looked at him like – Like you.

Yeah. And Zuck was like quiet. And I can't remember exactly how he worded it, but I was like, oh, that was a direct shot at you for being blatantly phony right now. And it went right over your head. I mean, that is – it was insane to just be like oh yeah no no we just happened to like change change modes now like right after this election we now decided that we're gonna uh undo everything we just did like fuck off man do you think that

supervillain drives me crazy do you think that might be and these are all just things i've convinced myself but do you think that might be a silver lining of a second term of Trump? Is the proximity to billionaires. And maybe people realizing, like, we have a lot of these. Like, there's... I was thinking that, like, back... I don't know. Let's call it... I feel like last March, maybe, I read that inflation dipped below 2.5.

And I read that that's what Reagan ran on. Like his morning. It's morning in America was like inflation was down to two, four or whatever it was. And I was like, how is Biden getting killed for at the time? It was right around the same for something that Ronald Reagan ran on and won like everybody. And I was obviously fucking., it's obviously fucking corporate greed. Not obviously, but that was what I thought. Whereas like, well, they're just,

and I understand it in a business sense where like if you get someone to pay money, like X amount of dollars, you're not going to bring it down. You realize that they're going to pay it. Why would you ever take it down now? So like, are this many billionaires being this front facing do you think that could have the populace go why the fuck are

all these guys in charge yeah i mean i think it could like kind of unravel the populism as being phony like a lot of often there's populism is used as a means to like do favors for oligarchs and cut taxes for rich people i think on the inflation, it's like we all we all compare ourselves to the next thing. And like, that's the worst thing we can do. Compare and despair is like one of the steps, I think. And it's like, of course, yeah, it's like if it's prices still feel higher because they are in absolute terms, but inflation is down, you're like, who cares? You know, my life isn't better. I think like what's what's sort of what's not not frustrated, what what is hopeful and I guess about what we're talking about is like these big problems are things government could address if we wanted to. Like you could have a national service program for all 18 year olds where you do like city year or the Peace Corps.

You don't have to go in the military, like, but a way to bring kids together and build community and like get us off our phones. We could do that if we wanted to. Kids might hate it, phones we could do that if we wanted to kids might hate it but we could do it like we could we could tax billionaires and strip back some of that money and put it into other things we just have to have political will and like those are things a good political party would talk about and fight for is there a reason the democrat like i the democratic party i feel like they've obviously people the the, the, the left as a whole has always been very pro let's tax billionaires. I don't feel like I've heard that much at least. I mean, I'm sure people have said it, but it hasn't been a driving point. I don't think from

left, left owned white houses. Like, I don't think it was a drive, you know, I can't remember how much Biden talked about. I mean, like incoming equality has been a huge conversation. Like Elizabeth Warren was talking about. I mean, like, income inequality has been a huge conversation. Like, Elizabeth Warren was talking about, like, a billionaire's tax. It's just kind of a question of how you do it. And I think there are Democrats who, you know, like, have hedge fund guys who are their big donors. Well, that's hard. Like, when you have the Clintons, you have the Nancy Pelosi stories.

It's like, all you motherfuckers are just lining your pockets and stuffing, you know. So it's like, all of iters are just lining your pockets and stuff and you know it's it's so it's like all of it you know feels like but is that is that because of donors and stuff like that that people refrain from criticizing like it's just it's sort of who you listen to like i do think you know there was a time when um like al gore would talk about this stuff all the time and it was called like economic warfare what I can't remember the terms they use. So let me think of a better example than that. Obama in the financial crisis criticized the Wall Street dudes who all got their bonuses after the bailout and called them fat cats and they lost their fucking lives. Yes, I remember that. Right.

And they freaked out. And I think we overcorrected to that and like use less direct language when I think more direct language would have been good in that moment because the reality was the US government was the only thing preventing dudes with pitchforks from going to their houses in the Hamptons right so it's like how you I think you could be a little more direct in the language yeah like you pay a big tax we don't let people come kill you. How about that? You've seen movies, right? I mean, honestly, as we're talking through all of this,

it's like you just need some Batman shit, burn Gotham to the ground. Some good leaders. There's no – but it's just like even those good leaders probably get in place and they're like, oh, I can't actually change anything here. The system's rigged. There's too much money and lobbyists and like this is the only place that i like i really i i want if anyone like people might listen to this and think i'm this guy's full of shit he's just some fucking hack political guy like i do think who we elect matters you don't have to be in the

right party you should be a good person and like you can make changes that impact things like obama the affordable care act gave like 20 some odd million people health care it's not a perfect program there's lots of flaws it's fucked up but like you can do big good things you just have to care see that the caring that's that that's my political party it's like just leave people alone be nice to them but the like when you say he's the peanut the squirrel bro we got in a heated debate about peanut the squirrel that was weird john i'll just get all your let all your pets get killed but i i just the logic made sense the lot like yeah but the um fuck well i lost libertarians

yeah what was it not caring you said caring and yeah but that was a dumb thing i said before the important thing sorry i shouldn't have interrupted you. I don't remember. Yeah, you were saying just let people alone. Care and leave people alone. Yeah, that's why I said peanut. No, but I was saying, again, I wish I didn't say that because it was so dumb. But there was like that.

We keep saying the one thing as soon as I said that one. That was lame. But like I honestly forget what I was saying. That's okay. I do like i think it's easy oh wait sorry i remembered please sorry the um it's always how it works like with with like the obamacare aca yeah like people who i guess so where did it start being called obamacare with obama i think republicans called it obamacare okay almost in a negative way right so then when people are like losing their ACA Affordable Care Act aren't like don't you feel bad if you've if you branded Obamacare and they're like and like yeah we're gonna trick

those idiots oh the the lowest Trump's poll ratings have ever been was when they were trying to repeal Obamacare like these things do matter I think people like some shit breaks through real policy stuff that impacts you it does matter and it can change things it's like it's always going to be in a range he's always gonna have like 40 of the country loves him no matter what but like he'll dip down to like 42 43 41 when he does things that are bad like the 2017 tax cut was a tax cut for the richest people on the planet. So broke people got nothing, like 50 bucks of a tax cut, right? And they're going to try to extend those, and it's going to cost $5 trillion or whatever,

while Elon Musk says he's going to cut $2 trillion. Well, the only way you can do that is cut into Social Security or Medicare or the defense budget, and they say they're not going to do those things. So they're going to just like, I don't know. I don't know where they're going to find this money. Yeah, they just find it. So this is where the rubber meets the road, and you've got to kind of lift up the things they're trying to do., I don't know. I don't know where they're going to find this money. Yeah, just find it. So this is where like the rubber meets the road, and you got to kind of like lift up the things they're trying to do.

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And we're talking about important things that, you know, do matter to the party. So I don't want to sound like, you know, we're not talking about that anymore. But let's shut the fuck up about that for a little bit and worry about what's going to get us back in power. You know what I mean? I think this is hard because, like, Republicans really wanted to focus on trans people in sports and the bathroom stuff. Yeah, they do it the other side.

I think, like, you just have to find, you just have to talk about these things like a human being. You know what I mean? I want people to live their life how they want to live their life. I think people should figure out, if you're a kid in concert with your parents, I think we've got to be honest that, like, there are reasonable issues to talk about a fairness in sports. If you're talking about someone who transitioned and is going from, like, a women's team to a men's team.

And calling someone, like, a transphobic for saying that is wrong and unfair to them. You know what I mean? Just, like, be honest. It's a common sense thing. Common sense. We need a director of common sense. Director of common sense. Yeah, they're going to dominate the sport.

We can't do this. But there's also, on the other side of the common sense, you'd be like, well, I saw the other day, there are 500,000 D1 athletes under 10. Our transition. Right. So it's like, this is not even an injustice. What are we talking about? Ben Shapiro doesn't care about, like like Ivy League swimming on a normal day. He wants to talk about this because he's trying to create a political.

Nobody cares about Ivy League swimming, but all of a sudden they want to. Exactly. So you like talk about the facts and reality in a human way, but also like kind of lift up the game that everyone's playing. But then also like things people really care about. Inflation. Talk about that. Like immigration. Democrats were on the wrong side of a lot of things in immigration.

People were genuinely worried about the border. it wasn't like a made up issue So we got to figure out how to address that And talk about it So yeah it's like there is like a prioritization That's got to happen Those sound fair I remember thinking about the trans bathroom stuff Or the gender neutral bathroom stuff

When that was all really like the Hot topic and I was like I grew up. I've lived my entire life basically in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New York. It doesn't get much more blue than that. Yeah. Never had an issue in the bathroom. Never once.

I genuinely don't even understand. It's terrible. I don't even know what we're talking about. I genuinely don't know. Was there an incident that happened? What kicked us off? The suggestion is like what underpins this is this what they're trying to say is like uh gay people or trans people they're

going to go after your kids yeah and i think that's the shit where you have to push back yeah right that's just manufactured yes fear-mongering weird shit yeah yeah and also why are you and like aoc is really good about this she's like okay so you're not going to let kids who've transitioned to play on like youth sports teams. Who's going to do the checking? Is the coach going to like do a spot check on the field? Lift up the shorts and like take a peek-see? What are we talking about?

What the fuck is wrong with you if you want to do that? So you like AOC? I do. I mean, I think she's a normal person who talks. Like if you watch her Instagram lives, she talks like a normal person. She lays it out. She speaks honestly. I think she's a normal person who talks like if you watch her Instagram lives, she talks like a normal person. She lays it out. She speaks honestly.

I think she could sit in this chair and talk to you. Yeah, I do think that too, but I also think she's very divisive and yeah, they've lifted her up and polarized her and made her a thing. That's I think what my ultimate, like no matter who you pick next, the other sides and for both sides are going fucking hate that person dig up shit on them tear them down and so it's like can you even really get somebody's best effort or honest

effort or whatever because it's it's just inherently such a dirty game well it sucks i mean maybe trump has changed that like it shouldn't be that you have to be a fucking nerd boy scout from age 10 until yeah you know when you run for office to like get through this process i don't want anyone like that i want someone that's done normally yeah yeah i remember an onion article ages ago probably 12 14 years ago where it was like i think the headline was something like every presidential candidate is no longer uh viable due to facebook and i was like oh that's funny yeah it's true at the time i was like i i remember i was hung over in bed on the blackout tour reading that article and i was like

that's true i'm off the list yeah like like there there will be uh well i guess i can tie this into to my next question like will you vote for portnoy when he runs for president because because we're gonna have a we'll have a president soon where we've seen their sex tape it'll happen trump i think i wonder if he's kind of changed the whole game on like vetting of candidates and things like, yeah, I would imagine. Well, at least for a little while, you can't be like, wait, you're going to disqualify me from, for this because did you see who not only won, but like was the most popular guy in the fucking world.

Right. So that, that definitely changes things. I think Obama changed this. I mean, like Bill Clinton was was the I did not inhale guy Obama talked about doing drugs pain and things it's so crazy to think about that just how much the world has changed

in 15 years I forgot Obama Obama smoked a little weed in Hawaii maybe he smoked a lot of weed no I'm saying what he copped to. He sucked the most smoking weed, but then his book, he was like Coke if you could afford it.

That's a new thing. Come on, we think George Bush wasn't bumping rails. Didn't Bush crash his car at Yale with Coke in the car? He had a DUI that came out right at the end or something. If George Bush wasn't a war criminal, he'd be awesome. It'd probably be fun to sit in a box with. He threw that first pitch when he threw that strike at the World Series after 9-11.

That was pretty fucking cool, man. It's a good canon. Yeah, like we need normal people that can make it through this process without having their families ripped apart and inspire people, but also convince people that don't agree with them or at least make those people feel respected. I almost feel like you got to be like single, which I know that that doesn't like fly right everyone like you know you need but like to me i would not put my family through what you got to go through it's like if i want to do it fine but you're going to like dig up shit on like my daughter's going to school or like you know my my wife now has to

worry about everything it's like i want someone who's just solely focused on this you know yeah because or i guess you know the whole your whole family just has to be down to ride and deal with all the bullshit but you gotta be down to ride it's a lot of bullshit yeah so who so i guess is do you even have like uh i guess you said westmore was the guy i mean he's just like a cool guy is there somebody waiting in the wings though and it's like all right next election it's him i don't think so i think they gotta people gotta step up they gotta do stuff give speeches like lift up issues go telling you someone's gonna do this at some point he doesn't want to do it huh why no he would no he would never he would never but i but i honestly like he's a trump figure where it's like

i'm only half joking i think a lot of people would what he did with the the barstool fund and things like that like resonate with people he would never do it just because of all the things we've talked about how much it sucks but like you know you almost do need to find someone like that where it's like all right you had real life had a business like makes right decisions you know cubans would be the person people talk about in that kind of vein yeah yeah like there's all there's always like oh we need a business guy in government like that's always a little bit of bullshit like not how it works it's politics i always think of it as like it's just it's not just it's obviously much much more than that but like very largely the position is just are represented for the world and kind of the leader of the world in a sense

and i think that's that's kind of that's why I don't like Trump. I'm like, he doesn't represent anybody. I don't think like, like his actual upbringing, his personality are just like things that when I was brought up, like taught not to be right. All of them,

top to bottom. And I like, I'm like, I think it's so silly to have like the, would you have a beer with this guy? But like, maybe it was real. I don't know

like yeah there's definitely that's a real whether right or wrong it's a thing that like will affect for sure it's like do you want this person on your tv for four years you live with them in a sense yeah yeah you have to wear well with you and like that's a real thing it's not just a beer but like they're part of your life i think i wonder if trump the trump coin thing was a real error in my view you think so it was just such a naked grift maybe people won't care i don't know but you saw like even the crypto guys were like yo this is fucked up yeah what are you doing oh really yeah but he's like at this point he's done 10 000 right like he had the bibles and the yeah uh the day before your inauguration i don't I don't know. He's trying to make so much money.

That's a thing that I wonder if people who voted for him will start to notice, and it will bother them. Probably not. Spoiler alert. I don't know. They bought it. They bought it, and they're loving it. They got the rug pulled.

They just will spin anything, and everybody will. Everybody will spin. If everyone was down to spin for Kamala to say she was a great candidate, they'll spin for. And everybody will. Everybody will spin. You know, if everyone was down to spin for Kamala to say she was a great candidate, they'll spin for anything too. What do you guys think? Like, say someone cool and normal is a Democratic nominee. Like, how do they reach the Barstool audience?

What do they do? You're not, like, faking it. I was going to say, I think it's such a lame thing to say. But, like, I can only speak for myself. Authentic, as long as you're authentic, I like you. And, like, there's, like, I loved Walls at first. I thought Walls was great until they switched. I thought, like, really on to something with, like, that they're just weird.

And then I feel like halfway through, he became like the football guy. Yeah. They kind of buttoned him up. And then I thought that kind of got, like, I thought that got a little like inauthentic when, particularly,

it was at his debate when like, didn't like his team show up in jerseys. Yeah. The convention or something. Right. Maybe it was the convention. But it was, yeah.

You know what you almost need is like, like, I remember like Fauci wanted to talk to pardon my tea he went on yeah he went on right oh did he i don't get really early on the pandemic i remember but i i remember thinking like this is like you're you guys you know somebody in fauci's camp like was like get on the phone and find me like the biggest podcast that can reach these guys and we're gonna go do it yep as opposed to like this is who i am and i want to you know what i mean yeah like it's almost like trump kind of fits rogan in a way that's right and and and whereas kamala it would be like i'm doing this

because i have to versus like i'm doing this because i no yeah like that like it fits you know so like if there was a a candidate to reach barstool i would be like you would do it by coming on our shows and and talking to us and stuff, but not because you're doing it to win the election because you just are a Barstool guy. Yeah. Like sports. You like, you know, like,

I mean, there probably will be at some point. We've been around long enough that we'll reach a point where someone's of age and maybe in politics and it's like, I grew up on Barstool. And, or I know of it and I like it. And that's why I'm on the show and then and then you reach them because you're just a fan of it and then but like i think it's that when you're doing it out as a pr move i think people see through people are as dumb as they are they're

now savvy with this shit where it's like oh that's fake that's manufactured that's you know and that was real that's not it's very much like like i i kind of did what i can relate to is our show and we did a lot of interviews for a long time and at first they were fun because we became friendly with the people and they were coming on a lot and it was great and then it kind of got to a point where it was just like it was just celebrities promoting their show and they didn't care about our show and they didn't care about doing like a car wash yeah and it was just like same stories same jokes and then we kind of we were kind of sitting here and it's like dude i i don't want to fucking talk to you man i know you're here i get you have a job to do i get you have to promote something and i i completely understand the world you're in but like i i would say like podcasting kind of for a while there became like late night shows, which were already dead, that we became like, come on, sit on the couch.

And then you sit there and wait for me to ask you the question that prompts your story. Not that we ever did that, but that was kind of the feeling for them. And I feel like even had Kamala done Rogan, I think it would have felt like that rather than Trump felt like that's a show he would go on yeah like he would have done that when he was on The Apprentice yeah you know whether it's the president or not I heard Rogan talking about the interview with his boys like on the episode after

and he was like Trump came in he didn't pee he sat down he talked for three hours he didn't pee he left he's a super power forever I don't need to do anything human bodily talked for three hours. He didn't pee. He left. Like, he is a superpower. He can talk forever. And like, yeah, I don't know the comic.

I don't need to do anything human bodily. I am getting attention. I'm recycling my shit as we see. I have one need in this world. It's attention and it's working. Even the way you,

you know, you were saying like you wouldn't go on Barstool and now you would. Now you did. I think it's, you know, like a step in the right direction for like the whole party has got to do shit like that i wrote these i wrote the campaign a memo i was like

here are things wall should do and i like had a bunch of barstool shows on there i was like do a live stream with dave if you want to make some news and like today 100 000 people watching him just watch the inauguration yesterday that's crazy i told i knew part of my take wouldn't have them but obviously it said that but i I was like, talk to Chaps. He's a veteran. He's a super progressive guy, super smart, thoughtful, good dude. Talk to him. Make a thing that you're reaching out to that audience.

Talk about football. Talk about being a coach. None of it happened. I think Dave is from – I barely know Dave anymore. Not that he's changed, but we just don't talk a lot. And I do think he's ripe for the picking. As much as he seems to be a conservative guy, I don't think he is. No, he's really not.

We joke around that he always says – I don't know why people think I'm conservative. It's like you're on Fox News like every other day. But he always says I would – this is actually a great point because it's probably what you're talking about with your party. He's like I will go on any show. CNN and them don't ever invite him. Fox News invites him every fucking day to talk about his bee sting. And he would, I think, go chop it up with Anderson Cooper or whoever, but they just don't do it. And I think that was a misstep.

I think, you know. He has a very funny clip where he's on the Adam Freeland show and Freeland's pitching him on socialism and he agrees every step of the way until it costs him money. Dave and I think the majority of Barstool people are the prototypical, I'm financially conservative and socially liberal. And like that, as cliche as it is, there's a fuck ton of that out there. Yeah. I mean, I saw he did a great video on like abortion rights and abortion access.

Yeah, yeah, right. It's a lot of common sense shit. It's common sense. But, you know, people got to show up to the places and have those conversations and talk about it. Democrats do. That's hard to find? I just think we just were bad at it. I think it takes time, too.

It takes time. You know, because you were right with Waltz But it would have been a Like a forced thing Like it takes a long time For the next couple elections Or whoever Eventually there will be

A guy or a girl That's like Like I said He just Is a part of this world Not I'm trying to be a part of this world Yeah

That's the difference Obama authentically Yeah he would have been Light hoops And went home at night and watched SportsCenter. New rap music. With, what's his name, Andy Katz. Kat. Yeah, we did the bracket with him.

That was just real. It was a real thing. Yes, yes. He was a good blend of statesmen and carrying stuff well. Yeah, and age matters fucking too. He knows. young enough well and yeah and age yeah age matters fucking too it's like he knows he said to one of us a couple years ago he's like like i'm barely in touch with the culture anymore like i'm like on the other end of the well how old was he when he got elected oh my god he was what 40 43 that hurts i don't know i'm 44 that's painful if that's true i don't even know i mean just you know like we're talking 30 30 years

younger than the people you know we're talking a lifetime in between him and and these candidates these days biden was like older than everybody at that 47 47 oh i thought he was younger than that yeah i thought he was like 43 44 i mean biden was comically old. Turning to dust before our eyes. Biden was so old that, again, probably what affected me that I like him. I genuinely was like, I don't think we can joke about this. You know what I mean? He was too old where I was like, stop. He's got diapers on.

You know what I mean? It's funny to say the 60-year-old is old. I'm like, he's kind of dying. Stop being mean to him. I know. Well, it was weird because, like, I thought he wasn't going to run, and then he gave that State of the Union everyone said was great, and then he went to Ukraine.

And I was like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. You know, I don't see the guy up close. I haven't spoken to him in years. Like, maybe he is fine, and then no. But, I mean, for your average, you know, 100-year-old, like, I look not no but i mean for your average you know 100 year old like i look at my parents who are like you know getting old and struggling to move around but i'm like but you're not running for wrist right that's that job kills you yeah when you're young it kills you but you age all right well i think i think you're uh you guys are i think you

had to hit rock bottom in a way unfortunately Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. I think people thought you might have been there. And it was like, yeah. Do you hate watch? Or are you in a disassociated? I'm trying to be a little more just measured about it all. I watched a bunch of shit yesterday. I'm not going to watch everything he does. If Trump wants to come on your show, would you do it?

Have you done anything with him ever before? I've never done anything with him. Yeah. In a heartbeat. But would you be like... You should be tough on him. Yeah. But he doesn't want that.

Like, he doesn't want a real interview. He wants fuck shit. But, like, you know, I've been thinking about, should I talk to someone like Steve Bannon? Like, one of his, like, top strategy guys. And, like, the question is, to what end? What am I trying to get out of that? But I want to engage with people that disagree with me.

There's so little of that, dude. I know, and do it in good faith and have a conversation about it like i don't want to fucking debate like i hate that yeah right yeah but i do like that there's a little like when there's a little tension like there's so everything is what he described it's like set up with the right people in your little bubble and there's nothing where like it even used to be like you you go to town you have to go to like the radio station that's popular and there might be some disagreement there but you have to go to like this station because that's all now it's like you just pick the one in your lane and that's it and i think a little bit of disagreement is actually just entertaining first of all for sure and also good for you know to

a little tension it's also good to just experience the tolerance you talked about and be like well it didn't kill me so yeah So you're just scared of it. And then it's like anything, like a kid getting his tooth pulled. Like, just watch. It's not that bad. Oh, okay. For sure. I'm supposed to do Jesse Waters tomorrow.

I don't know if they'll cancel it because they just announced they got a Trump interview. But, you know, it'll be fun. Yeah, yeah. See if they'll just slap me around a little bit on YouTube and see what happens. Get some nice fucks. But I think that's great. Yeah. But honestly, then you'll probably go and you'll be like Trump and Obama.

You're like, Jesse's not a bad guy. But I also think that's what people should feel about you guys. I'm sure there's people who call you libcuck, pussy, blah, blah, blah. But if they were to like, if you were to just talk about, like, the fucking Larry Bird Celtics, you'd be like, I don't know, he's a regular dude, you know? Yeah. Show more of that side of you guys, and that goes a long way.

Just be normal. Yeah, be normal, bro. That's the fucking motto. Social media, obviously, all that stuff's bad. I think podcasting has, like, a lot to do with that because you just, like, I like my guys with my topic. Totally. And it's like, dude, just listen to another thing today.

And if you, like, stray from that topic, they stop listening. Yeah. That is annoying. So the audience and everything, the algorithm. Audience capture. Yeah. It's not even about subscribers anymore. It's just like pick this topic, find this audience, and hammer it.

And it might be good for business, but it's bad for like everything else because it's like someone like we made our career. You go to Barstool. We wrote about sports, lifestyle, jokes, and you would get a little of everything on the website. If you try to do that now, like I do that on social media with One Minute Man. It's like a little bit of everything. If you try to do that on like YouTube or something, it does not work. How do you pick? You know I met your brother at this event.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about it. How do I pick topics? That's what I mean. Like I do it the same way i used to write blogs it was if it just strikes me i do it but if you want to build like a youtube channel it's like well i liked when he was talking about game of thrones yesterday but i don't like him talking about caitlin clark today so it's like just talk about one thing i don't want to fucking do that no that's so true we noticed that like if you do a um a youtube about Marjorie Taylor Greene, a million hits. If you do some really smart, thoughtful thing, strategy with a really smart person, dead.

Nobody cares. And then it encourages you to do the dumb shit, and then it's a vicious cycle. It sucks. We kind of talked about this the other day. I cannot stress enough how firmly I believe I'm anti-analytics. In a kind of sports sense, too. But we were talking about early days Barstool and how I don't even think any of us, including Dave,

had access to the back end. To know what numbers did. Dave obviously could have found it if he wanted to. He did not check it regularly. And I think had we done that, had we gotten invested in, like, well, the clicks go up when we do this, it's a completely different, this whole thing never happens. We become a guess that ass carousel.

Right. And nothing ever happens. Never talk about anything. Or at least in the early stages of stuff, you can't look at the numbers. You have to do what you like. Facebook jerked all those companies around, right? Like they changed the algorithm.

The algorithm is the worst thing that's ever happened to like the world, period. Because there used to be like just some meritocracy of like people would go to barstoolsports.com and hit enter and go there because they liked it, because we talked about whatever we wanted. And now it's like, I'm with you that you shouldn't, but it's like, if you don't play by the rules you ain't going anywhere you are not building you know any sort of of

company any sort of channel and so it's like i don't want to give into this but you almost have to so it's like you know it's almost you need to be like financially secure or do a patreon or something where it's just like i know that i'm set my audience appreciates me i'm gonna do it because if you have to play with zuck and tiktok and all that boy what a fucking what a move that was by trump huh which one just getting them on band in like 45 seconds starting it however many years ago and then that that that notification saying due to the efforts of president donald trump i was like, this motherfucker. Tip your cap.

They manufactured a crisis. They cut off their own service, TikTok did. They gave him the setup. He knocked it down. Alley-oop on inauguration day. Stockton Malone. God, crazy. It's all a game, man.

Well, I think you guys are, it's a good first step to recognize what a lot of people – I think it's just about acknowledging what other people think and feel and trying to appeal to that. How much doom is there? Because at the end of the day, it was a shocking election and – I don't even know if shocking is the right word, but it went further right than I think most people expected. It was a thorough ass whooping yeah now completely agreed still it was more or less 50 50 yeah right popular about 50 so you gotta like you gotta get down but you can't get that down yeah it's like we still had 80 million people who are on our side you don't throw the baby out of the bath water right like and this is an important thing like like you're not a genius when you win.

You're not an idiot when you lose. Like, you got to change some things. You have to be introspective and honest about your fuck ups. You know, like, that's all I want the Democratic Party to do. Just like talk honestly about why we, where we sucked. Yeah. We'll see. You think you'll do it?

I think we're trying. I mean, like, we're trying to have people on our show talk about, like, the things. I think it's just a time thing. It's time. It's like, there's so many. It's too fresh. You got egos. Yeah. Too much power much power too much money but you give it a year a couple years maybe an election two elections where people go like oh we were we were we were going we got on the wrong path then course correct and then hopefully you just get a candidate you know someone to inspire you yeah yeah we'll see we'll, brother. Thanks for having me.

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