KFC Radio - WATCHLIST: Maniac, The First, Manifest, A Million Little Things, and more

Episode Date: September 26, 2018

Maniac starring Jonah Hill & Emma Stone gets the MUST WATCH tag (no spoilers 00:01-16:00, SPOILERS 40:00-50:50)The First (SPOILERS 16:00-22:45)Manifest (no spoilers 22:50-25:40, SPOILERS 25:40-29:00)PREVIEWS A Million Little Things,  Mr. Inbetween, South Park, Making a Murderer 2You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It's Watchlist Wednesday, September 26th. There's a lot of TV to get into, folks. We kind of discussed this a little bit. I mean, this might have been an internal discussion. We're never going to run out of TV shows to talk about. I mean, we did Marshall TV on in the past, and we came up with Watchlist. We're like, is there a TV show. I mean, when I, we, we did Marshall DVR in the past and we came with watch lists for like,

is there enough TV to talk about? Is there enough things to cover? And then you get to a season like the fall where everything's debuting and there's just so many awesome shows, good, bad. Some of them are flop. Some of them are awesome,

but there's a lot to talk about. Some of them. It's weird too. Cause like I finished maniac today and in the office, I had one episode to go. I watched most of it are awesome, but there is a lot to talk about. Some of them, it's weird too, because I finished Maniac today in the office. I had one episode to go. I watched most of it last night, but I had to finish in the office today. And Keith looked over and saw I was watching Netflix. He said, oh, I'll get your job.

And I said, watch TV. I was going to say, you could have. Talk about TV. Yeah. But that's such a funny thing in our office where it's kind of witnessing it happen with Nate and Smitty right now, where it's like, oh, you play video games. Our whole job is fun. It's all's such a funny thing in our office that where it's kind of witnessing it happen with Nate and Smitty right now, where it's like, oh, you play video games. Well, our whole job is fun. It's all a joke.

It's all a joke, man. Some people watch sports. Some people play video games. I do watch TV. Right. Everything we do, we enjoy doing. So it's to comment on things that other people find entertainment, entertaining. So, like, yeah, I play video games, bro. It's a billion dollar industry.

Yeah. I watch sports it's important some people watch the highlights from last night some people read articles i read tv and watch tv so obviously maniac is the talk of the town right now it's new netflix series it is my hardest recommendation really since true detective whoa i think i love we talked about yellowstone i loved yellowstone but yellowstone there was it was just a great it was a great TV. There wasn't.

There's something very unique about it. Since since True Detective, where I felt the need to go into Reddit threads. Oh, there's a lot of that stuff like that. Like check out Easter eggs. So let's make this a thing. Now watch this Wednesday. Let's say you get three. Per year, three months.

Yeah, like a must watch basically. Okay. You're going to use it. We've got two left. I'm definitely throwing a must watch. I think I will retroactively throw a must watch to Yellowstone. Okay. So that way we're both one for one. We've each got two left for the season. Maniac is... I'm not going to

go that far because when I give a must watch, I like to almost think that no matter who I tell it to, they're going to enjoy it. That's fair. This show is, I think, going to be very hit or miss because it's weird. And that doesn't mean it's bad, but there might be people who are like, I'm out on this.

I don't do sci-fi. I don't do weird fantasy. I don't do that. And I'm typically one of those. Right. So that's actually a good endorsement. So it's like, i don't like this kind of shit but even i'm down with it i went into this just because it was jonah hill and emma stone um and i thought going in i was like this might be a little too fucking weird and i even fell asleep in the first episode last night

i fell asleep about halfway through it does start very slow um i think first two episodes are pretty slow but but necessary. Plot building and character building and whatnot. World building. It's a whole new world. I still don't understand where we are in the world, what year we are. I love that. The retro future.

It's so weird. Let's back it up. Let's break it all down. It's Netflix, Maniac, starring Jonah Hill and Emma Stone. Who both gave the performance their lives. Yeah, it's there. Yeah, it's awesome. Very,

very well acted. 10 episodes. And about 30, 45 minutes. Right. Not too long. And the, so one of them was like really quick.

One of them's like 25 or something like that. They sneak a quickie in there and the basic premise. And I, I'm going to give a very, very basic premise. Cause you can dive deep on this one is Jonah Hill is a schizophrenic. Emma Stone has deep-seated depression from a traumatic family experience. And they both end up in this drug trial

for a new series of three drugs that supposedly, allegedly, hopefully, when it gets released, will basically cure the world of their unhappiness. Jonah Hill, he's also embroiled in this family situation where he's going to be forced to lie and take the fall for his brother. His whole family's an asshole. They're very rich, snobby assholes.

And on the other side of things... He's not taking the fall, but he's going to purge them. Right, yeah. And then Emma Stone has this traumatic past, and she's basically just a drug addict. And we come to learn that this drug that you take makes you hallucinate or relive your deepest, darkest depression moment. Basically the cause of your depression. Right.

And so the idea behind this drug, this future drug, is that it will help you work through that and hopefully come to terms with whatever is making you depressed and you move on. But this first drug that you take, all you do is relive this horrible moment. Which was, you said it's weird. It is weird. And it's like, I'm going to use a word. I don't use the word. It's beautiful.

It's weird and beautiful and heartbreaking. It's fucking awesome. And funny. Yeah. It's very funny. There are a lot of like every episode has like three laugh out loud moments. Now, at the end of this episode, we're going to dive into some of the deeper issues

in case you haven't watched it. We don't want to spoil it. So if you have seen it or you do want to just get right into it, the end of today's episode, we will really dig deep. On the surface, though, I will say it is such a weird show. i do think if it wasn't

emma stone and jonah hill i think i would have bailed i think if it was two no names i would have been a little too turned off by the weirdness that's fair but that's kind of like belichick and patricia we know they said patricia kind of lost the locker room at least that was the theory right because he doesn't have belichick success yeah Yeah. So people don't buy into it. Once you're at this level, you can say, I'm going to do something weird. You get to fuck around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. You're going to say more.

But in a vacuum, if I am just analyzing the show, I think it needs, you either need an, well, no, I'm going to speak for myself because some people love this weird shit. If you are a pretty normal TV viewer and you just like normal shit, you don't have to think too much, but you appreciate some level of that if you're just somewhere in the middle i think you need an extreme amount an extreme leash to let it go or a reason to say i'm sticking around because i think it's episode three where it's already it does i feel like it avoids the the hole that a lot of netflix and streaming services fall into where it's i'm telling one story the whole time yeah right where it's the middle ups

kind of the middle of the way yeah yeah right where this show the individual episodes are still entertaining all in their own right which is the best way the best tv shows do you know the the overarching plot with the individual each hour long that kind of wraps up and gives you some satisfaction hour to hour. But I'm saying that when the weirdness kicks in, I think Justin Theroux is almost too weird in this. No, I love him. But you can see where someone would be like, what the fuck is this? Well, I don't get what's going on here. But because I love him and because I love Jonah Hill and Emma Stone, I really did give a lot of slack.

So in my mind, is that a good TV show? And Carrie Fukunaga. Yeah. I mean, Carrie Fukunaga like writes, produces and develops, whatever that means, all of it. So it's, it's got the who's who, which makes me stick around. But also if I'm just in a vacuum, is that a good TV show? If it requires me to like give you that much good faith because of

your previous successes you know what I mean yeah like if these are a bunch of nobodies I think I would say this is fucking too weird yeah but it would be I think what would happen was I think if this was a bunch of nobodies it wouldn't catch on so fast right so I think it would it would it's a chicken and egg sort of thing eventually people would watch it

and then those people who aren't it would probably be recognized because it is even like people like i guess kind of like us people who have people who listen to them talk about tv if they were like look we watch this it's awesome eventually everyone would watch it and would agree it's awesome right but it would just you've never heard of anyone in the show but like trust me it's good you don't know what network is on but trust me it's good that kind of shit um but there were definitely moments where i felt like they were being weird for the sake of being weird they wanted they wanted to be a quirky wacky show and i think that's okay you want to build this world that's half of it looks like it's in the past half it looks like it's in the future we're creating new language and new everything that's

fine but then there were moments where i was like this it's gratuitous weirdness. I was like, what is happening here? There is definitely that. But also the scene with the suck bot, suck tube. When he's fucking the- Justin Theroux's fucking- The porn, the anime. The Priestess of Atlantis. Yes. That's weird.

And that whole scene is really weird and trippy. But also it's kind of real. Like that happens. Does it? Because I want one of those. Yeah, those things you've seen. The things you strap on your dick? Oh, those exist for sure.

Yeah, I'm going to get one of those. Yeah, that absolutely exists. That was actually my main takeaway from Maniac. I was like, yeah, that was good, the symbol and all that shit. But, like, can I put my dick in a box and have sex with a porn star? Everything that's super weird, it's almost like they tried to predict the future. They tried to envision the world that we live in now, how it would be predicted in the 90s. Right.

It's almost like a satirical take on like we're in the future. Right. Like the fucking – They have robots and ad buddies. Ad buddies. I mean, ad buddies, really. You go to an airport, watch these ads for half an hour, you get free Wi-Fi. Yeah, yeah.

Ad buddy is a real thing. It's just it's in a different sense in that one. Right. And they have everything's kind of rooted in reality but is like exaggerated exaggerated and grandiose and all that i do really love shows that create you know their own world their own language their own everything like fukunaga said that he said i could have said this in new york in 2018 but i wanted people to understand that it's not the real world and that's the thing too is that you there's some shit where you really are suspending reality and you really are like they're like

they're bending some rules of you know just society and how people would react in certain instances people die randomly and it's you know you just keep it moving like a lot of shit goes on that i think you establish pretty early on okay yeah this is this is kind of silly in a way so just ride with me for this story here it's definitely the most unique show i've ever seen the best way i could describe it is if you used to watch the leftovers when they would do standalone episodes where you were inside justin thoreau's like uh subconscious and it was like a dream sequence the whole thing and the whole everything was was uh fantasy and that. Almost every episode is that way.

It's a different, it's a different setting, a different scene. They're in her mind. They're in his mind. They're in both minds. Everything is. What was your favorite world? Um, I got a kick out of the like Long Island couple. Yep.

Um, I didn't. With, with, by the way, shout out to detective. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That was a great one they both and they both

acted that so well there's so many people in this who are yeah like side characters and shit that are all like oh that guy that guy I did not care much

for the elvish fantasy I loved that did you? yeah I mean that one actually made the most sense to me like so everything when they go into

these fantasy worlds is like a corollary between what they're going through in their real life like her guiding her sister to the land to cure her and all that shit made the most sense to me. But I just I thought that was like, OK, now we are literally doing like a Lord of the Rings movie here. Like I just thought I just thought that Emma Stone's character was so.

Yeah, she was like a drunk and, you know, give a fuck. The sister is asking, by the way, the sister is asking by the way the sister is ruth from ozark yep um and uh who's an important character not in a ton but a very important character and she's like every time i eat food you just drink your spirits because we all sustain ourselves in our own ways yes that and then she follows up with like i prefer your company when i'm drunk which is like everybody in my life then the other one she had another great line when she uh when she shoots herself with the arrow and she's like all my greatest triumphs go unnoticed yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the one i really did not like was the german alien thing that's that's is

that dr strangelove maybe i was thinking that i was like this is based on something that maybe i just have not seen before but they's his name? Over the Top. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. I thought it was all weird and funny. That made me laugh because Jonah Hill was doing the Over the Top German accent. Also, in that episode, shout out Carrie Fukunaga against her detective. That's a one shot. Oh, yeah.

That battle scene is just a one shot. Oh, right, right. When she's shooting everybody. Emma Stone gets her action hero on. Long story short, obviously you can tell there's a lot to talk about, and I have not even gone into the Reddit threads and whatnot. I guarantee you without knowing it myself. I have so many of these notes here that I have one side of Reddit threads,

one side of just stuff I don't know. I just don't know. I'm going to save it all for the end. Yeah, we'll definitely dive into that in the end, but my point being that without having dove, divin,ived into all that shit i guarantee you there is this shit is chock full of symbolism and easter eggs and callbacks and all that shit because there were times where i was like oh yeah that guy is actually from here he's and that that quote was from here i didn't know what they meant because i really wasn't watching it or think like when i used to watch like

leftovers and shit i would like take notes and write down and think about it. This one, I was just soaking in. And I was like, I know that's something. I don't know what it is, but I know I get it. There's something there. So if you want to dig into this, I'm sure you'll be reading for days. So one guy I couldn't realize, I couldn't kind of place his symbolism was the cop. Yeah, he was.

I'm basically the same. Yeah, there's no difference yeah yeah he was in he was in the opening episode when she grabs dante cote right he's the animal wildlife he i thought he was the security guard in like the drug trial place as well maybe no he's outside milgram right right right milgram uh so yeah there's a lot of like little little nuggets like that that you can really dig into. So I put that. I will say I want to give it the watch list seal of approval.

John has obviously given it his must watch. I'm going to say that this is a really should watch, but you might not like it. But I think if you're into TV and you want to talk about it and you're, you're into the whole culture, you should watch it because it's going to be like it or, or hate it. It's going to be something. I think depending on what your brain is like too,

I just saw a lot of stuff that I relate to very strong. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of like depression and, and a lot of stuff where you're just like, yeah, like I know exactly what he's going through. Like option

B. We'll save that for the end, but option B, I was like, I know exactly what you mean. What we're talking about here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, so before we dig into the depths of Maniac, we'll get to the rest of these shows here. We both have finished the first. Have you finally finished the first? I have finished

the... You still... You can't get over the hump. You told me what happened in the last time. Right, first. Have you finally finished the first? I finished the, uh, not yet. You still, you can't get over the hump. You told me what happened in the last time. Right. So you haven't. So, uh, the first is the astronaut show we've been talking about for a couple of weeks on Hulu. I have finished it.

I gave it the seal of approval and said with the caveat of like, I've only watched the first two episodes. Here's what I'll tell you. Episode one and two specifically episode one. Awesome. Episode seven and eight. Good. Very good. Episode five. Good. here's what I'll tell you episode 1 and 2 specifically episode 1 awesome episode 7 and 8 good very good episode 5 good is that the

yes good and super important you have to have to see that 3 4 6 yeah right so but that's okay I mean 3 episodes yeah the middle stuff kind of lulls it happens a lot I am I'm a fucking space astronaut nerd so I did take interest in, as we've said before,

this show is more about what goes on on Earth as people are trying to become astronauts, the politics of it, the family interactions, the sacrifices, all that stuff. I'm into that. I was really thinking, like, man, if I was an astronaut and I had to go to space for two and a half years, what would I do with my daughter? What would I do with my friends? I'm thinking that way. So I was intrigued to see how this couple handled it, how this parent and daughter handled it, how this this politician handled it.

If you're not that much into it, if you were like, I just want to see them go to fucking Mars, then it's really going to drag for you. If you are into that stuff and you care enough about the characters, I think the 10 episodes are fine. And there really are some fucking great episodes in the middle there. There are some really good ones. But the... I mean, we're going to say how it ends? I guess so. I mean, yeah, spoiler alert, but it's funny because I think if you

watch this, I think you watched it assuming there's a second season, and I watched it assuming this was just standalone. I didn't watch it assuming there's a second season, but I did watch it assuming we would get to the be a closure yeah i i don't want closure my own life i do like my tv shows so they they even even if it's just kind of vague closure i'm fine with if even if it's a closure that is open for interpretation and shit like that this one doesn't really give it for a lot of storylines i i guess so i mean but this is where um and maybe it was the sopranos there's

there's a show that i specifically used to be like i want i want some closure in it fuck i wish i could remember because it doesn't make for a great podcast but there are certain shows out there where people are like i want to know what happens and you get the tv nerds who are kind of like it's not about that it's about like the journey and the whole point is that you don't know where it's going to end up and you have to just you know take this for what it's worth and i'm like shut the fuck up i want to know that he lived that he died whatever you know i do think in this case there is some element so the idea is they end up traveling to mars and there's there's a pretty strong chance that it's a one-way ticket

based on yeah based on a lot of things, like they really might not make it back. And you were looking for whether they do or not. I actually do, in this case, think that it's more just about, like, anytime you blast off into space, there's a chance you're not going to make it back. Now, the chances are heightened,

but that's just our satisfaction. That's not going to change what that show is about. That change that shows about everything you decide and do before you blast off. You're right. And I think I think largely that works, I think, with all the astronauts that works. But I think with Laz, who is Hank Moody's wife, I think what she had a very important interview in line in the in the show where she says something along the lines of, I'm not worried about losing people. I'm worried about how many people I'm willing to lose to get to Mars. And I think – So it's like we've already lost one crew.

Right. I think you kind of have to – Did she lose another? Is she just going to keep – and I guess that's fine. It's not one where I'm like, tell me. I'm pounding the desk and whatnot. But there are – because I do understand all of the emotions and the desk and whatnot but there are because I do understand that all of the the emotions and the and the feelings and the the sacrifice like you said

that have to go into it and that that was all that all made for you know largely made for very good tv right Sean Penn monster Sean Penn was really good that scene when he's like I'm still here yeah she left I'm here powerful shit he is very very good see that that's where that show became about a a guy whose wife committed suicide and his daughter is a drug addict like fuck space you know what i mean that became in that moment that was what was important um the she gave her great right before when she kind of gives him permission quote unquote to go she was really good too where she was like bro you told me we had to move on and i now have to move on from you yeah yeah yeah that shit was that was deep little tingly even talking i just did and then the scene where she is sending her video to space oh wait maybe you didn't see it yet

that's what i didn't say all right i'm just gonna spoil it for you yeah so you know yeah this is like a common movie thing it's like you can send a video to space you know you can't talk whatever but we can send a video so she has that room in wall, that wall in her room that's a blackboard. Yep. Right? So she very like ominously, she starts recording this video. And this is after they've like fought and everything. And she writes, she starts writing.

And it's like I-H-A. And I'm like, she's going to write, I hate you, and she's going to go kill herself. And I was like sitting there just thinking like she's gonna do what her mom did this is gonna be I was like don't do it don't do it don't do it so she writes like I hate you and she turns and looks at the camera and I was like fuck you I was like please don't do it please don't do it and then she writes like because

I love you and then she erases hate and she writes I miss you because I love you and it becomes like this nice touching moment but I thought for a moment they were gonna like wrap it all back into suicide or something bad was going to happen. And I was like, I can't deal with this right now. I cannot deal with it. I've gotten so soft since I've had my own kids.

I'm like, if I was ever in space and Shay wrote me a note to say, I hate you, I would just fucking jump out of the fucking spaceship. I was freaking out. I'm coming back. I'll start swimming home. It was some intense shit. I don't know who that actress was,. I was freaking out. I'm coming back. I'll start swimming home. It was some intense shit. I don't know who that actress was, but she was really good. We referenced the scene

or I referenced the scene where she says goodbye to Sean Penn, but also when her mom when she's running like, Mom! Oh my God. Mom!

Good actress. I also feel like they did some casting that was like, do you look like a strung out tweaker? Like she was really tiny. No! At the last scene

when she did, or one of the last scenes, when she decides to finally go to the launch and she was playing with Laz's kids, I was like, who's that other kid? Right. She's just their size. She looks like a child. It was crazy. How old is this girl supposed to be? She's the size of a 12-year-old.

Yeah. So if you're into space and some deep shit, Sean Penn, the first. And we'll see. It does leave it, I guess, open-ended to do season two if you want to I feel like I'd be surprised yeah because I think with big actors and actresses like like Maniac is done they're not doing right to carry Fukunaga says he will not be doing one right there usually when there is you know a movie star you know kind of slumming it to the world of TV it's kind of one and done which is not slumming it any longer that's what that's the thing though it's like it might not be you know like like i'm matthew mcconaughey true detective but like

couldn't you see that coming back you know couldn't you see them eventually maybe probably trying to like reprise the role or something like that it just it's not like oh i'm absolute like i stooped low and now i'm done with that it's and i guess that's kind of the the the benefit of working on streaming where you keep like i'm gonna come again and give it some time it doesn't have to be next season. It can be that kind of, you know, it's always open. I feel like it. There was throughout the whole show that

the symbolism of the quarter going into the old phone and I don't get it either. I mean, the quarter obviously caused the first one to blow up. Right, but the very end shows like the person who's doing that and then kind of ties in to like the literal very end shows like the person who's doing that and then kind of ties in like the literal very end, like the last scene. And I'll be honest, it just went over my head and I haven't taken the time to research it.

I thought Laz's was very clear with the lightning rod and she wants to touch the sky. No doubt. She's always she created that thing to touch the birds. She wants to soar. I know that shit. But the, I did the quarter one. They show the face and it looks like it's maybe Sean Penn when he was younger

or maybe like Sean Penn's dad. I don't know if the dad. Maybe he's just trying to put everything back together. I guess so. It was, it was a very, I'm sure it'll hit me

over the head when I read it and it'll make for a cool like symbolic moment. But in the moment watching it, I was like, cause he's, and the whole time I was like, like they show you more

and more of it. First the quarter, then it's the phone and it's the shop he's in. I was like, the whole time I was like, they show you more and more of it. First the quarter, then it's the phone, then it's the shop he's in. I was like, okay, what is it? And then right over my head. So I don't know. That's got to be one of his. He's just trying to put everything. I guess so. I mean, we can do a little research on and figure it out ourselves. Some shows you got to

dig a little deeper. Some shows you don't need to. They smash you over the head with it. They make it way too simplistic and way too cookie cutter and absolutely ruin it. And that's the new show Manifest on NBC. How disappointing. This show played out exactly how I feared it was going to play out.

The premise of this show, it's a new NBC show, which right off the bat, you see one of the shows that's on 247, you get nervous. Aside from sitcoms and even those, it's very much like... I do like sitcoms, and also I will give a quick shout, Good Place. Good Place is coming back this's very much like I do like sitcoms and also I will give a quick shout to Good Place, Good Place is coming back this week yeah people do like that

but you know This Is Us is the other like drama out right now that on 7 I think that on ABC that people that is good, other than that it's slim pickings but Manifest grabbed my attention it sounds kind of like Lost 2.0 a little bit this plane takes off in 2013.

They go through some crazy turbulence. When they land, it's 2018. So there's some time travel, some space-time continuum shit, and awesome premise. Like, right there, I'm hooked. I tweeted last night. I said, if this happened, and we don't know it didn't happen yet because we're on what year three

in malaysia will pop out yeah yeah the uh if this happened if i just landed it would be the people always talk about what it would be like with oj or whatever for twitter and blogging we have twitter when a plane reappears for five years i mean we got gassed up for post malone having a sideways wheel on his plane imagine if we had a magical plane that ripped through the fucking universe. That's a great premise. I think on Netflix or on Showtime or HBO, it would crush. AMC, FX. Almost anybody but.

Anyone but network. And they absolutely murdered it in a bad way. They have this girl like narrate the very first scene, which is like, I know when you're in a hundred billion homes, you're trying to just like play down to everybody and like get the point across, but they fucking dumbed it down so much where it was like,

okay, hi, my name is a blah, blah, blah. And I'm the one who like is struggling. Should I get married to this guy or not? And here's the kid over here who has cancer.

And here's the mom over here who has cancer, and here's the mom over here who does this. It was just like, let me smash you over the head with all, introduce all of our characters in about 30 seconds. And it was a feel to it. When you watch Premium Cable or Netflix, there's a physical,

I think you almost hate it in Ozarks, it's too much. I was just going to say, it's also too much here too. But you need some of that that where it's just like, this is so, so plain and so obvious and there's no art or nuance to it. It's like way too bright. Yeah. Like,

like if this should be like a dark show where it's like, some people think that they lost all their loved ones and some people don't even realize that the world's been flipped upside down. This should look dark, feel dark. It should be a little bit ominous. It should a little mysterious all right wait who is she why did this happen instead it was just like we all got on this magical plane and now it's fucked up and it was just like blah they just spit it all out to you and it was like okay well we we smashed us

over the head with this and then as the show goes on they you basically learn that two of the people, two of the adults who got off the plane can hear themselves from the future giving themselves, their past selves, a warning. And also when they talk to themselves, it hurts. Yeah. It's like the future self has to grip you by fucking making your stomach hurt. So the girl's on the bus and they say, slow down, slow down, slow down. And eventually she's like, down slow down slow down and eventually she's like bus driver slow down and it turns out a kid was about to run out in front of the fucking bus uh she's she goes by a junkyard and the voice says release them release them and she thinks it means the junkyard dogs she goes back and investigates

it turns out there's some abducted kids in there it becomes do you ever watch do you ever watch early edition way back in the day no i saw you tweet about it but it's like coach taylor right yeah he gets the tomorrow's newspaper today and he uses it to go like fight crime oh like the old lady died in a fire he goes to the place and saves her and it's and i actually liked that show it was a fine premise back then but it becomes this like crime fighting show where it's like now we have superheroes with voices from the future rather than just being like let's talk about some sci-fi shit. Like you said, let's talk about what would happen if.

Because I want to see families putting their lives back together. Families would be fucked up. People would start to question religion. They would start to question science. They would question everything. Let's talk about that rather than future crime fighting.

And the thing is too, even on network, I feel like they could do it. And even in the show, they're doing it. Like the wife, she's clearly been moved on. She's clearly moved on right she's banging someone else yep and like i i'm just interested in that right i don't need superpowers here i don't need this yeah but yeah the notion

that like there's there's one wife who like is so happy her husband's home but then you see her texting like her new boyfriend and he's like i miss you so much have you told him yet can we talk and even the daughter walks over she's like what are you gonna do and it's like, I miss you so much. Have you told him yet? Can we talk? And even the daughter walks over. She's like, what are you going to do? And it's like, that would be such a fascinating, heartbreaking situation. Like, I moved on. I found new love. But you weren't dead. What do I do? That's so much better than fucking crime fighting.

The girl who disappeared as a young doctor and was happy that her research finally works. And she's coming home to realize what a business it actually is. Right. That's interesting. I want to see the girl who all her colleagues are five years scorned in this business, and she's still the whole kid, and it's her fucking idea. I want to see what that happens. The idea is there, and they started to go down the right path, but you can tell that they're just going to go NBC with it,

like find out this week who they save. Because that's almost what I was saying. The best shows have the long arc, but you can tell that they're just going to go NBC with it. Find out this week who they save. That's almost what I was saying. The best shows have the long arc, but then the individual arcs, they take that to the extreme, where it's like, we're going to have a superhero in this hour while we explore the bigger themes. Should have just stuck to the bigger themes. I'll probably check it

out a few more times, but this is off the list. No way I'm going to be four seasons in of 20 episodes a season i can't wait for more like people were talking about this being a lost reboot like for sure not that is weird the people who stick with these shows forever like the blacklist i love i was just gonna say the blacklist i can't watch 100 episodes i love the black the first 30 were great yeah yeah eventually it's like we're just gonna do it again? Okay. Blacklist is the perfect example.

Like, I don't have any complaint about that show other than, like, I can't watch this forever. The other reboot that, well, it's getting shit on as a reboot is A Million Little Pieces. I don't know much about this one. I think your text last night was the first I'd heard of it. So this show, if you watch The Bachelor and shit like like that like they they hammered you with promos for this and it seems intense it seems deep um this dude who's very famous who is it i think it's dylan mcdermott maybe he's a famous guy he uh and i'm assuming in the first episode because they showed the commercials he kills himself out of nowhere. He's on a business call, and he just walks out onto a balcony. And then you see, like, his secretary running out, like, Jim, Jim, what happened?

And then it's about, like, his friends, his family, his wife, and everybody, like, trying to figure out why and how and picking up the pieces of their life. But the commercials make me want to cry. Like, the wife is just like, how could I miss this? He was the love of my life but the commercials make me want to cry like the the the uh the wife is just like how could i miss this he was the love of my life how did i know he wasn't how did i not know he was even depressed you see the friends get together for a beer and he's like we have to talk to each other more like we're we're all gonna end up like this and like the kids are there like deep deep shit where i was like i'm going to be a fucking puddle watching this show i was almost like i'm not i'm not doing it. I'm not watching this.

I don't like shows that will make me cry. I'll give it a whack, but the commercials handle that for me. I don't need to fucking sit down for an hour and do it. A show that does that is This Is Us, which is like a deep family drama that tackles every issue. There's alcoholism, there's cheating, there's

this, that, the other thing. Different timelines, death in the family, all of it. This Is Us is great. And this is kind of being knocked as like a ripoff. Right, just like Manifest is a ripoff of Lost. Right, but here's the thing. Like, This Is Us is a ripoff of Parenthood, and Parenthood's a ripoff of Brothers and Sisters.

Brothers and Sisters is a ripoff. So it's like, this has been done before, and it will be copied again. Forever. If you do it well. These will be network shows forever. And if you do it well, then it's like this has been done before and it will be copied again. Forever. If you do it well. These will be network shows forever. And if you do it well, then it's fine. It sounds like from the critics and the people who have screened episode one, they don't do it well. I mean, like, if you Google it right now, all of the results are like total mess.

There's one main problem with the show. Everything. Like, it just sounds like it's a mess. Which I'm surprised by the commercials made it seem like they were like gonna tackle a deep heavy hard uh subject and do it well what i hate about network tv too is that they almost plan for this where like the writers know just do six episodes that's all we're getting paid for right right and then when it does get picked up we'll make some shit up and keep on with it shit we got it it's kind of like we talked about with true detective where he had to write a whole

new season so fast. They're writing a season every week, an episode every week. They're like, oh, shit. And then get lost. Got to keep going. It turns into a disaster just because you didn't have faith in it from the beginning. Right. Where it's just like, I like the HBOs.

We'll give you a full season. Right. And we'll see what happens. Right. But write a season of TV. This sounds like it's almost dead from the jump based on the critics and whatnot. But I'm surprised because it did seem like it was going to cut deep. A couple other shows premiering because, like I said, it's TV season right now.

Mr. In Between on FX. It's awesome. I have no idea what it's about. It's a dramedy about an Australian hitman, I believe. Okay. I've only seen one commercial. It looked fantastic. Yeah, the commercial is just like this dude

who it looks like he's in an AA meeting or something. And then they cut to him in an alley just beating the shit out of people. And he just looks like he's... Yeah, I guess I was going to say like an enforcer or like you send this guy out to break some kneecaps, but I guess an assassin makes some sense. He just seems like this grimy, badass dude. this is a show that i think is benefiting from the network where i'm

like fx is doing some weird dark shit i'm gonna give a shot the commercials really don't tell you that much i i mean i i can't tell you i didn't even know australian hitman i was just like i don't know this seems like some badass dude is gonna do some weird shit that's what i got but and but with the with the idea of FX usually does things right, I'll give it a shot. So not much more to say about that, but it will be on our list. We'll give it a watch and let you know whether you should...

It premiered last night. Right, before we recorded this. And two more things coming out that I think will be more successful, let's say. South Park season, I don't know, 33.

I don't know. Still doing it. I've still only seen probably six episodes. Really? I don't. It doesn't do it for me. Cartoons, animation.

Again, it's probably the cartoon thing. But I don't even find, I've tried many times. Like BoJack, when I watch it, there are lines I laugh at and I'm like,

oh, that's fucking funny. But I just can't keep up with it. The South Park, every time I'm'm just like this isn't that funny if people say it's genius yeah and maybe it's maybe it's the contrarian in me where i just want to rebel they are find it that funny they do write some genius shit they do satirize almost everything very well um you know what they almost in my mind it's a detractor how much people suck their dick because i do the contrarian in me does say like i'm never going to be the type who like who says something completely sucks because everyone else likes it right people think i do that i don't do that i hate a lot of things that's just i hate them i will like if i feel like people

are going overboard i'll i will want to temper their i'll be like listen i liked it it was good but let's relax. Yeah. And that's almost like every premiere episode, everyone automatically sucks it. That's what I watched. I watched the premiere because everyone... Everyone always hypes up the premieres. Yes.

And there was one, like, at least this year, within the last couple of seasons, it was bad. And I remember being like, that was not good. It was... I think the last two were football related. I think it was... Yeah, they did, like, the Redskins. And then it was Redskins.

Yeah. And I think both of them were like, no. And I still saw people being like, brilliant. I'm like was Yeah, they did like the Redskins and then it was Redskins. Yeah. And I think both of them were like, no. And I still saw people being like, brilliant! I'm like, no, no, no. This one has all sorts of potential.

Good, bad, controversial. Otherwise, they're tackling school shootings. Yes. Which is just about as much of a third rail issue as I can imagine. This is

There's certain jokes You don't do blackface. You don't fuck with dogs. And I don't think you fuck with kids getting killed today. They do everything. So it's like if there's one group who's going to do this and you have faith that they're going to do it the right way, at least somewhat tasteful,

it would be these guys. Trey Parker, Matt Stone. I don't know if tasteful is the word we're looking for here. Not tasteful, but like they're not like thought provoking. They're like, yeah, thought provoking. It's like we're looking for here. Not tasteful, but like they usually are. They're not like school shooting. They're like, yeah, thought provoking. It's like we're doing it to to show you how stupid we're being or how insensitive we're being or whatever. It's not just like shock jock value. It's like there is a message behind it usually.

Correct. But this is like a very tough one to navigate. Yeah. I see a cartoon form where it's like, you know, Cartman's going to be like, fuck you! And he's going to shoot people. It's like, oh shit. And I think this is a bad thing. I almost think school shootings are so common where it's

not even that dangerous anymore to make jokes about it or whatever. It's wild. It should be a third rail issue. I hope it still is. Instead people are just going to be laughing at a cartoon. I'm not going to be offended by it, but I can already feel myself being like, I don't know if this is necessary.

It still really is a bad problem. The next time one happens, like, what if one happens tomorrow, and it's like, you have this episode out. You know what I mean? And you know they won't pull it just because... Because that's not what they do. I mean, let's pray there isn't pull it just because. Because that's not what they do.

I mean, let's pray there isn't one. There hasn't been one. My favorite thing was when that Trump supporter not too long ago tweeted, like, there hasn't been a school shooting in months. And the guy was like, it's the summer. School's not in. There can't be any school shootings in June, July, and August, you dumb fucking asshole.

So let's hope there's no more for the sake of the south park guys than everybody in the world and last up premiering soon do we know the date i'm making the murderer october 19th october 19th making a murderer to back uh following up on on brendan dassey and uh steve avery steve avery steven avery um and you know the the murder case that captivated everybody along i actually so weird because i i was extremely and then i think i've said before i don't really like documentaries and this one was probably my last one because i was captivated i was i was calling my mom i was like stop people in the street i was flipping through phone books just to call lawyers like hey what do you think about this and it was i thought dean strang and jerome buting were the greatest lawyer i was like get them on the supreme court these guys are the fucking best and then you kind of you follow you look through it with different colored lens

and you're like well i mean the guy fucking did it fucking did it that was my problem with making a murderer is that i was always like this guy did it yeah and i do think you need a little an element of like doubt to make those things really interesting. Or like the jinx, like everybody knows he did it, but it was like, how can we not, how can we not pin this down, you know? To me, even the staircase,

a lot of people were like, he absolutely did it. I thought there was enough judicial procedural, like, well, but they mishandled this, that, and the other thing. Like, would that be submitted in court all that stuff this that one to me was just like that scumbag fucking did committed murder and so i never never you never captivated me the way it captivated the rest of the world i i thought he was like suspicious while watching it but i still it's why i fell i was never in love with

documentaries but what's why i kind of fell out of love with them because they are all just fiction stories they're all biased they're all you find out that they're like they they hate the prosecution they love the guy right whatever people just dug up like the prosecutor's pass and tried to get him disbarred yeah maybe he did maybe he didn't i forget what happened but it's also one of those people just get it's like everything in the world people get so hot on it for a minute and then i was i was doing the blog on it today and i said when did brendan get out because i remember he got uh his his part of it reversed i googled it oh the reversal got reversed he's still in jail motherfucker still hasn't seen wrestlemania poor poor retard it's yeah like and i and i don't really care if i'm right you have a limited window

where you care about these things and if you don't capitalize i mean to give it a watch but it won't be the same with the first time you're capitalized and nothing nothing's happened no i mean that well i guess it'll be about the conviction in the reversal and then the reversal the reversal but that is is tough when it's like okay well we know we're gonna end up right back where the first one ended so if you're really interested in the procedure of it all fine but otherwise there's really not much here to report and you never know what's being left out like when i found out in the staircase i'm pretty sure that dude peterson michael peterson whatever like the day before took out like a bazillion dollar life insurance policy on the

wife and then killed her and like they just didn't put that in the documentary because they were clearly on his side that's crazy like that would have completely swayed me if i was like well but wait they just were like yeah never mind nevermind that. Yeah, that's why I fuck documentaries. Documentaries should become fictions. Yeah, which is fine to also like still enjoy them, but don't act, don't go watching 10 episodes of a true crime thing and act like you're a fucking criminal justice lawyer

because you're still only getting half this case that you don't know about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a lot of premieres coming up. Maniac is obviously the talk of the town though right now the uh the entire thing is is gripping captivating confusing intriguing but if you can relate to it on any level i think it goes real deep there is it is and it almost like there's so many scenes in it where you're just like yeah yeah, like that's, like when they watch the guy die,

Marumoto, and when she grabs him, she goes, let's just go outside and pretend nothing fucked up happened. That's like every day. That's every single day. That was actually kind of what I was alluding to before where it was like, this guy just drops dead in front of them, which is already like a little bit weird. And then they just like walk

out and like nothing comes of it. It was like, alright, that's a little unrealistic. But then they just like walk out and and like nothing comes of it it was like all right that's a little unrealistic but i guess within this world of like this drug trial they have to just kind of ignore these things and but that was that was a moment where i was like all right we're starting to just totally suspend belief here uh but yeah there's a lot of relatability even like as when in the beginning when you don't really know what the a drug is i thought she was just kind of like high you know And then you learn that she's reliving this time she killed her sister. And, man, when they go to those flashbacks. She didn't kill her.

They were on the right side of the road. Right. He was on the road. But, I mean, she was being an asshole the whole time. Yeah, but they were on the right side of the road. It was the 18th. Well, that's what's funny is when he was like, at one point she says, like, if we're going to assign blame, it's his fault. Yeah.

But I almost felt like she was kind of convincing herself there because if she's not being a fucking asshole with the pictures and just a dick on that trip in general, I don't think they get hit by the truck. No, probably not. But it is, you know, it's, it's fuck you, Nan's fault. Yeah. Um, but the, the whole thing, the, the two, the one theory I thought here was, first of all, I love the Rubik's cube and Don Quixote.

Yeah. That was awesome. Don Quixote, the perfect, like, it was almost like too heavy-handed in a way that they weaved it all in, but it makes perfect sense. But it does fit very, very well, and even that was like, I thought that was really good. The Rubik's Cube was awesome.

What about it? The Rubik's Cube, its symbolism is that the Rubik's Cube is very easy for someone who gets it and can do it. And for everyone else, it's very hard. And that's life. Right, right, right. It's extremely difficult

for these people who have the shoes. I know how this works. For me, my mind's fucked up. This is fucking easy to me. I don't get it. I don't understand how it's supposed to be. But the McMurphys are my, the two things I didn't get and and i don't understand how it's supposed to be um but the the mcmurphy's or my the two things i didn't get and and i haven't gotten i i googled them i can't find them out the the mcmurphy's what they are like why they're called that and shit who are the mcmurphy's yeah

i think they're just they're just people there are other forever right and the theory on that is azuki james owen and annie are mcmurphy's see i was definitely thinking at some point we're going to zoom out of this whole thing and it's there's another layer of like this is all going on inside of a fucking snow globe or they're already dead or they're already lost or the world that we thought was real is actually the fake world I thought there was definitely going to be something like that I don't like that I'd like to

think that they got better but I can see that but to me it almost felt like the way they like break out in the end felt a little like fake yeah you know it's like that was almost too happy of an ending where it was like we just sneak in and smuggle you out and it's i i was like are we are we in the real world or are we still pretending here or is that fake on purpose because

we're supposed to like you know understand that they didn't really escape again this is like i haven't dug into all the theories and read it and the people who are smarter than me where they usually kind of explain these things there isn't too much but i think there's really the reddit isn't it's not popping right now but do you think that's because it just hasn't like people haven't dug into it yet or there's just not as much as there is for shows no i think it's probably like it's coming right they haven't dug yeah there were some cool things like when the wires get crossed i didn't notice that you know when he goes behind to try and fix it the like one and nine were together for some reason where it's like everything else was in order yeah but one nine were together i thought that was really cool but the two things i don't get either are the popcorn and atlantis why is atlantis always there is that just because

it's a fake world maybe it's a forgotten world it's a lost world it's it's fake there's atlantis references in like every episode. Yep. And the popcorn doesn't happen a lot, but it happens three times. I think happens when he's by himself in the real world. I think in the very beginning, he looked,

looks to the street and there's just popcorn popping up everywhere before you even really know what's going on. And then in the, the Dr. Strange love one, she kind of like finds the popcorn to get out of him. Right. Remember she's like,

she's like that weird thing. She gets in the elevator and it pulls it out of his mouth i don't know i mean they called it like popcorn issues or something problems is that like a thing at first where i thought that would meant just like things that pop up like in your life like a popular problem where out of nowhere you know you have something to deal with um but i i think these are sometimes people i think you start to read into everything and it's like i could see coryunaga being like, I don't know, man, we just made up a whole crazy world. Like some things don't make any sense. Like, you know, not everything is super symbolic. the internet nerds crowdsourcing and shit is a powerful, powerful force where all of a sudden you're going to get some

PhD or some shit who's going to break it all down and unlock all sorts of shit. And I'll be the first to admit, there's a lot that I know is something. I just know it's going over my head. But it's also really good that there isn't... It's very good no matter what. You don't have to... You can watch it on its surface. It is cool just to see the numbers pop up.

Just their names, like Owen and Annie. Like it's one and nine. It's all like just little things that you're like, that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. Easter eggs galore, which is like, even if you don't fully understand them, you're just like, something's going on here. There's a deeper meaning.

There's a deeper level. I get it. I saw it. Cool. Shout out to our guy, Hank Azaria, by the way. Yeah. I was going to say. What's funny is his name is Hank and when he's inside or whatever that robot thing is,

it sounded like him, and I was like, is that him? And then he pops in. I was like, it was him! It was Hank! It was Hank! But the whole thing's really fucking good, and I think if you have just shit you think about in life, there's a lot of shit you related to it. Option B was the fucking best.

Option B was like... Mm-hmm. Option A is she wasn't real the whole time. Option B is she is real, and you're going to fuck it up. Right. Which, I mean, that's way. That's not even a mental issue. That's just fucking life. That's just how shit works. You're just scared to go after something because you'll fuck it up.

And I thought all of it was really, really, really good. I thought everyone trying to find their superpower, I thought that was so cool. He's like, my superpower is love! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me ask you this. Would you take the pills? Yes.

Yeah? Yeah. I don't know if I would fuck with it. So A, you relive all your horrible shit, and B, you kind of like, you know, I think it almost turns your life into a video game where you can beat it. I think that's pretty cool.

Right. I don't know if I would do it. I mean, it's, I've talked about before. Better question. If you took a, do you know where you would go? I have an idea. Yeah. Yeah.

Where'd you go? E.coli Christmas? No, no. It would, it would be later. Um, I don't know. So you know where you would go. I think coli Christmas? No, no. It would be later. I don't know. So you know where you would go. I think I know. You would take it and go back.

I don't know for sure. And you think you could beat it? No, I don't think I'd beat it. So I guess what's the point of playing? I mean, I guess maybe beating it is just coming to terms with it. Or maybe not. You know what I mean? It's like just acceptance or closure or all that kind of shit.

All that fucking foo-foo shit. I don't know. That was cool. How they all like, I just, I got it. So fucking awesome. So awesome.

I just think the idea, I don't want to talk about too much cause I don't want to spoil it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, it was just fucking awesome. I'll just say the idea that you can cure these things or that,

you know, the notion that these three pills would go out and fix the world is so unrealistic. And it's like, but that's the point. I think you are going, I know, but I'm saying if practically so unrealistic. And it's like, but that's the point. I think you are going, I know, but I'm saying if practically speaking,

if you ask me like, would I do the trial? Would I, would I try it? You are going to go through fucked up shit in life. You're going to go through really fucked up shit in life. And there is no beating that. And maybe,

maybe the drugs, you know, like I said, you don't beat it. Maybe you come to accept it or whatever it may be. But like, I think part of it is like, you just live with the guilt or the shame

or the regret or the remorse forever. Or you- That's dark and bleak, but it's just true. Or you confront it, like they both confronted it. Yeah, I mean, confront, yes. And if that's what the drugs do, fine. But if you think that you can take a series of drugs, and this kind of applies to this,

and this is probably a bigger discussion about pharmaceuticals and medication and all that shit. If you think that you can like take some pills and that's going to like just change your human emotion for what you feel of your biggest deepest darkest moment i don't think that's real i mean you i i uh fukanama had a good i've read an interview with him where he said this is certainly not anti-pill It is certainly not anti-therapy. He said it's anti-ignorance. And he said it's like destigmatizing. Right. Everyone's got some shit.

Like, don't just, like, smush it, suppress it, and forget about it. But I also think. He said he wanted it very clearly. He's like, I very clearly do not want this to come off as anti-pill because pills save lives, hundreds of lives every day. Thousands of lives every day. Yeah. He's like. It does come off a little bit that way, though.

Really? Why? I mean i i'm saying i could see people thinking that like i don't think it i think when you really examine like the nuance of it but just like the idea of like you've got an addict you've got people losing their fucking minds you've got people who are like the doctors are basically like they don't really care about the patients they care about their work and their their prestige you know so i do think there's a lot of negative associated with it, but that's

just probably painting the full picture, not necessarily saying I disagree with medication, but I could see some people just being like, this is bad. When you bring in the doctors, I see it. But I think you can't be ignorant through your problems,

but I would imagine there are people out there who are like, I would love to take three pills and just be over the time that my dad committed suicide. I don't think that could ever happen, even in this fantasy world. I would doubt that. There are things that can numb it and dull it, which whether or not you want that is up to you. But there's a lot that goes on with it, I think. And I think that's what the show's good for. It's like he's got the mom who's the therapist who he doesn't believe. He's just saying, you know, the 10 steps and the little words she makes up and the platitudes and things like that.

And he hates that. And I think that's probably something that realistically happens in the world where doctors don't think talking helps. Don't think the medication helps. It's probably a rivalry. And I think it's just a cool depiction of it. All right. So go watch Maniac let us know what you think about that do not even bother with

Manifest I say get get your the first on go do that and be on the lookout for the rest of the stuff premiering the rest of this month let us know what's on your list what's off your list tweet us at KFC radio and we'll dig into more TV all month long here on Watchlist