KFC Radio - We Debate Who Was to Blame for Barstool Radio Drama Ft. Kelly Keegs, Francis and Nate || Noel Miller

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

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Hey, KFC Radio listeners, you can find every episode of KFC Radio on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I think that was funny, but I don't think you're taking accountability either. I said that if anyone else had told me that that Tate thing was worth talking about, I will give Nick Hale— But you blogged, Nick Hale. No, I replied to his blog, and all I got in response to it from anybody was, Dan, hey, great blog. But how often do, like, I don't know, like, I've done a radio, we've done shows for 10 years. I don't ever talk about what people text me about.

His original blog made no sense to me. It's another edition of KFC Radio on the Barstool Sports Network. Today's episode is presented by a company that I have been chasing down for the last decade. A company that I have been quite literally begging to work with since I started podcasting. It is my great white buffalo. We have finally attained it.'s episode of kfc radio is brought to you by kfc finally so annoying in your headphones i bet but but you know what it sounds crisp as hell because pavs has some new audio stuff going on that sounds extra crispy

we'll talk about that in a minute and why jackie might have to wear a helmet for a month uh but kfc kentucky fried chicken is finally sponsoring kevin francis clancy and kfc radio it's been basically a decade of me asking for it and them being like uh you guys are too crazy i don't know if we can do it and finally with the oh my god my mouth is watering i don't even know we can do it. And finally, with the... Oh, my God, my mouth is watering. I don't even know if I can talk. My mouth is watering. We had a little onboarding meeting with them last week, and they were like,

so are you going to eat the food? I'm going to do nothing but eat the food, just so you know. I will try my best to not chew into my mouth. KFC Radio is now a fucking mukbang. And it's... I will try my best to not chew into my mouth. KFC Radio is now a fucking muck bag. It's just me sitting here eating KFC. Well, let me tell you what's going on here. And sometimes, sometimes it's better, it's better to wait.

What's it called? You know, it's better, you know. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I know what you're saying. Because all these years. Listen to that, Detroit. Sometimes it's better, you know, to let things grow

and happen organically over time and the build up behind it all makes it all the more satisfying because KFC's new product. We're talking about edging. KFC's new product is the smash bowl where they take

all the good stuff and throw it together into one bowl. And I know a guy who operates like that. I know a guy whose daily life is all about taking his favorite foods and putting it all into one bowl. I also know a guy who's incredible at eating and swallowing on a podcast without chewing at all. He's going to put on a clinic again today.

So the fact that KFC finally advertises with us when John Henry Feidelberg has been living the Smash Bowl life for the last year, I'm almost happy it took a decade because now it's all the more satisfying, all the sweeter to watch a Smash Bowl. A John Henry Smash Bowl actually is like making us money is incredible. It's, it's, I just, I just let, did the, the Feidelberg with the mashed potatoes. It's amazing. When you do it, you feel like Superman. You can just swallow this food and it feels amazing. What is the point of it?

It's, I liked, I liked the easiest road there and the easiest road it's not true and you just swallow and it is it's perfect it's it's this is what i eat every single day only it's better i love it dude so the smash bowl mashed potatoes cheese bacon and french fries yo you mix in a kfc biscuit you get a little you don't even need to get the chicken but obviously if you're at kfc you got to get some chicken you mix that in there like all of your sides when i prior to the smash bowl i would always be like am i really going to order every single side i'm going to order like a two-piece but i do i have to be like i want the mashed potatoes and i wanted this and i wanted this and i want that and then they end up giving you a thousand forks and it's like no no sir this is only for two people uh so it's all the good kfc sides into one i would make

the argument that kfc out of all fast food chains have the has the best sides i think that's it's strong it's unstoppable uh the chicken is obviously their hallmark but when you go there deciding between all the sides is absolutely impossible and And that's where the Smash Bowl comes into play. You don't need to decide. Here's all of them. So for the next month, we will be presented by KFC Radio all through the Super Bowl, all through the month of March. The Great White Buffalo has finally been hunted down,

and we're in bed with Kentucky Fried Chicken. I want to thank all the chicken heads. I want to thank all the listeners. I want to thank my parents. I want to thank you guys for making this happen. It's a lifelong dream of mine to be sponsored by my namesake. There was a time where I thought maybe I was going to get a cease and desist. I didn't know how that was going to work.

I was like, maybe they own the letters. I don't know. But not only is there no cease and desist, we're in bed together, baby. A partnership. So cheers to KFC. Here's to the Smash Bowl. I want to see everybody eating Smash Bowls because there's no excuse not to. I want pictures.

I want videos. I want you at the drive-thru. I want you at the restaurant. I want you at taking it home. I want you bringing it to your fancy, fancy soirees. Pav sold me down on TikTok. There's a trend. You bring KFC potatoes to like your fancy dinner parties.

And people can't even tell it's so delicious. I want Smash Bowls. Oh, my gosh. Super Bowl party makes it. This casserole I made or whatever the hell you call it. You know what you do? Here's what you do. Everybody's going to bring their buffalo chicken dip, right?

You bring a Smash Bowl and you call it the blah, blah, blah special or delight. You put your name in. So you go and you'd be like, this is called the Feidelberg Delight. It's a family recipe of ours we've been doing for years or the feidelberg special and peep and you tell people it's a it's a family uh tradition and you serve it in a different bowl so it doesn't look like it's from casey and people will not even know they'll think your grandma invented it that's like when i when i uh studied abroad in spain and uh though the uh house mom i lived with and tried to convince me not try to even try to convince she just told me that she invented a dish that was um it was just sausage and potatoes

and i like the effort and i was like no you didn't. I think this was the Germans. And she hit me. She was like, no. You deserved it. Who were you? I just got abused by a Spanish woman. I think I have to tell my mom about this. I'm 17 years old.

This is abuse. So it is Smash Bowl season. Get your Smash Bowls. Send them to us. And for the next month, you probably won't see me eat anything. But, Casey, send. You know what? Throw me those slides.

Yeah. Toss me those slides. I'm going to get decked out in the slides. We'll get the koozies going. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, wow. These are like real slides. We'll get the koozies going. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, wow. These are like real slides. Oh, these are like real slides.

And I'm just FDR. Yeah, some people would use this as a beach towel. This is just John's sheets. This is John's bed sheets. He's going to take this home and sleep on this. Bro, I got out of bed this morning, and I realized, you know, when you're at a really nice restaurant, and they – I don't know if I can go toes out.

Can I do that? I'm going to put my socks back on. When you're at a really nice restaurant, and they come out, like, between courses, and they clear the tablecloth. Yeah. They have, like, little – yeah. I need one of those for my bed. Yeah, it needs to be like four feet wide. The crumb collector.

You know what? That's a great thing if you're ever lying to a girl, basically, or you're at a party and you're stringing somebody along. Tell them that your family invented that. Tell them you have a family fortune from the crumb collector. Be like, yep, my great-great-grandfather invented that thing and we are wildly wealthy from that i i know quote-unquote no this is a story that was told to me whether or not it's true i don't know i know one of the great ones of that i know like

one of the families um of like the outrageous inventions why they're generationally wealthy which one the uh gas oh yes the thing that like hangs which they abolished no it's back yeah it's around in massachusetts now it was not around massachusetts i was gonna say i think it's state by state like i think because i drive if you drive like into connecticut it's back you go into new york it's not you go to like if you go to like a like a fancy chain it's not but if you go to like a hole-in-the-wall place it is so it's it's it's case by case i don't know i'm sure somebody like blew up a gas station from it overflowing but those are necessary i want to i gotta go run in and buy something or do something else or just sit in the car because

i'm cold like i don't want to sit there and hold the fucking thing yeah give me a break that's one of the greatest inventions of all time um all right we gotta get we gotta dive into uh barstool business how this oh how this has come full circle. KFC Radio, when the Dave Portnoy show ended, we decided to take the baton and run with it a little bit and say we will cover barstool news, drama, inner workings. We'll do a third episode where we'll interview some people. And then as time went on, people liked it. People loved it.

People were asking for more of it. Barstool News starts to really happen. We realize it's a good time to relaunch Barstool Radio, which me and John had always kind of had in the back of our minds as a card we could play. And so we revived Barstool Radio. And within a few months, we come to learn that it is we've told you this before if you're a KFC radio listener but if you're listening from Barstool Radio

we found out that down to the day of of starting Barstool Radio basically we completely cannibalized this show and downloads and views were down a untenable amount there was there was no way i could be like well it's okay we can still do both it was like i don't know we're gonna end up with two like bad shows rather than you know we're gonna have no shows at the end of this so we so we we had to leave radio and i wanted to do it rather quickly i was like i'm not gonna dick around here and like do another three months of this because I got to get KFC Radio back on track. So that's where we end. And I feel like it's been a little convoluted, and I want to clear it up as far as how the new iteration came to be and then got axed by Dave.

But there was a couple, like, I think Nate and Clemmer said that they were like handed the show. And then they were saying they took the show. I just want to make it clear how that show came to be because when we ended, it was like, should the show keep going or not? And I think that if I'm not going to stand in the way of anybody who wants to do it. And I also think that we should at least give some people a shot to carry it on

because I do think Barstool is better when there is Barstool Radio. My initial thought was that Tommy would want to do it. Tommy didn't want to do it. Tommy wants to do more scripted stuff or doesn't want to do a daily show. Whatever his feeling was, I could tell he was not really fully into it, and it's not a show that you can do if you're half in and half out. So Tommy was out. I wanted Roan would have been the obvious choice of one of the talented guys still around in New York.

Roan is already having trouble keeping up with his load as is with Pat Bev and flying around the country. Uh, so the idea of doing a four day a week radio show was pretty much out on him. Uh, that leaves the rest of the New York office with, with the crew that is left here, there was three people that I feel work. And I don't know about their chemistry. I don't know about their ability to host a daily radio show. I don't know about much else other than they are talented, they have made content before, and they are here like every day. Because that's a big part of doing it is that you come every day. And that was Nate, Kelly and Francis.

I called each of them individually and said, we're not doing it, but I think you would be good to be involved in Barstool Radio. That was pretty much where I mostly checked out. I think I called Kelly, Nate. I don't remember if I called Francis. I can't remember how I ended up talking to Francis, if it was before or after. I think I spoke to Kelly, she spoke to Francis, then Francis called me. We all had discussions about who works with who, like how they're going to gel. And from the jump, it was never a very good fit.

It was like Francis was worried. He's like, my style of comedy is not really very conducive with Kelly Kelly but I think we can work on it and we can make something happen it's definitely worth giving a shot Kelly seemed gung-ho about it she was like taking the reins she I told her part of the problem part of the wait take a step back before I talk about them individually like as a show the show itself is a difficult show to do because as we found out it's good when there's drama and then you have to figure out a way to fill in all the other times that there's not drama and at least for us where we already have a show where we shoot the shit and talk about everything when you go do that on another show it gets repetitive it gets we're

not as into it we're we're bored with it we're repeating ourselves uh so that made it difficult to just like cover the topics of the day um and then the other side of it is if you're waiting for drama because those are the days where there's like thousands of concurrent viewers and you get hundreds of thousands of views when it pops off great but it could be a month it could be. But it could be a month. It could be six months. It could be a day. You don't know.

In the very beginning of Barstool Radio, I think for like four straight weeks, we had drama every day. We had Mean Girls. Yeah, then the Mean Girls got fired. And then it was downhill. Yeah. We had the Mean Girls. Then me and Kelly were fighting. And then there's the layoffs.

And then Dave and Nate. And there was just something pretty much every week at least so you're either waiting for drama to happen or you're stirring up drama and in order to do that you got to be a certain type of person that you know there probably is enough gossip and stories and rivalries and competition and all that going on within these walls that if you wanted to sit down basically every day and just pick a fight, pick a scab, talk some shit,

I heard rumors, what about this person versus this person, you probably could do it. You also then become a colossal asshole who everybody hates. That's why there's really only three people that can do it or have to be involved like when dave and me did radio together i think it was great because there was always drama because

me and dave disagree on everything naturally if he says up i say down he says you know left i say right like so there was always fighting, and then people would take sides. So even when we were talking about current events, there was tension because it was just like, I think the Red Sox shouldn't put up the fucking nets over the wall, and he does. So there was always drama, and he can yell, and he's a boss where I can yell back, and we are at each other's throats and then, you know, we just do it over and over and over again.

But if it's not the boss, if it's me or you or literally anybody else, it becomes like, why the fuck are you calling me out? Why the fuck are you calling me lazy? Why are you ratting on me? Why are you snitching? Why are you putting a light on how I didn't come to work today?

Why did you tell everybody that I did this or that? When the boss does it, it's like, fuck, the boss caught me. When a co-worker does it, it's like, you're a fucking asshole. So I have a question there. Why did we ever do it? If we know there were only three people.

Well, I think we learned that. I thought there would be... if we know there were only three people well i think i we learned that i i thought i thought there would be i planned on taking a little bit more of a dave role that i thought i was up for and and did not was not up for that's fair uh and so that was part of it and i did think in the beginning i was like this is what i expected it to be like once a week once every two weeks there was something yeah and then in between it's like it's not bad it's fine and i all this is funny because in a weird way like the feedback i was getting was like unbelievable like the best feedback i've gotten aside i still don't understand because it was never a good show they were were like for like two weeks. It was a good show after that. That show sucked.

I don't think you I don't think you realize that like we're good at this. Yeah, but like I were good at it. And I know when I'm sitting on a couch and going, this is fucking boring. And like a lot of the time, that was a boring show. No one was really talking. No one was into it. People would roll up five minutes after the fucking show started. Well, it was it was not a good show. Yeah, we can say from the very beginning john and i were very disappointed in in pat and tom but

i was like i was just one of all four of us like it wasn't just like it was all four of us did not it was not a good show yeah i i don't i don't think that's true though i think there's a lot of people who disagree with that i mean i i know that the the from the fan point of view if you feel that way it's fine but my my uh like experience with it and like my internet you know like my version of the internet was all very positive all the time i i guess they could say like that's kind of what we say with commenters like when they're nice they're wrong when they're right mean they're wrong like sitting on that couch those were not engaging conversations i i yeah i mean do you think they were were you like we are killing it

right now uh i mean no but all right so we both sat there thinking it wasn't very good so who cares what people thought no i don't i don't i i never walked away from it being like that was a bad show i just like that was a regular podcast we like there is sometimes we'll walk out of this room but we fucking nailed it how often do we do that on those couches when there was drama which is never like it was it was the first two weeks yeah that that is the issue is that you need to talk about the inner workings of barstool again if we if we had a show where we didn't repeat ourselves i think it would be great because we do it good here yeah and we would go do it there right so we were you were hearing us do it for like the second time but it's just kfFC Radio in between the drama.

Yeah. So I think it's a good show because I think this is a good show. And we were just doing it over there. And we were doing it with a different cast of people. We were doing it with callers. I think people like the callers. I think when the audience is responding positively, I don't know, you're doing something right. If you disagree internally, that's you.

But you agreed, too. You weren't, like... I was not like, this is, you know, my finest work. But I was very encouraged by the feedback all the time. Because I had, I mean, I had, like, friends who, like, came back to, like, listen to me again. Like, I was like, my life became way more Barstool radio oriented than anything. Because I was getting texts. I was getting calls. Like, people coming out of the woodwork being like, oh god i heard about this i heard about that and i remember being like

you know i i've had the podcast all these years guys right and people were like they they liked that it was a more like tangible real show about real people real things not hypothetical situations not you know what would you do in this situation like there's a person that we're talking about so i don't think it's as bad as you thought it was i think there were definitely times where we i we were frustrated with it for sure i i mean i i i remember tommy loving drama and loving to be on barcelona radio and i don't think he enjoyed his experience there pat there were times where you know didn't watch survivor showed up late so that that uh iteration of it was not i don't think we were like clicking or doing a great job but i think it was a good

product there was new sponsors sales was excited about it like there were good things about it that i think you're being harsh on i mean I mean, I'm being harsh, but we are in agreement. Like, we didn't sit on the couch and think we did good, so it's bad. I don't think that's true. I think your painting is black and white. I think there's an in-between. I think that's not our best work. It was fine.

I don't know. I didn't – but I never – I thought it was bad from – I don't like the drama either. When you have the callers, when you have some running stories, they call in multiple times. That sort of stuff is a very different type of radio show, and that grows over time.

And I think would have... And I think would have been a fine radio show. I think we could have done that forever. I just don't think it was not worth the loss of this. Right. If there was... I would have done that forever. I just don't think it was not worth the loss of this. Right. If there was, I would have done that forever if this stayed the same

or even if it was like, there's a little bit of a hit, but it's like a whole new audience, a whole new genre, good feedback, sales, all that shit. Which to be fair, I think we should have expected too with this. We should have expected it down.

I didn't expect that much. That was big big but the i was i was i was expecting some i did not think it would be you know cut in half basically that's that's crazy that's a lot but it makes sense because it's like you get a lot of air time with us you know it's like yeah people like oh even if you are like a die-hard supporter you're like oh i'm supporting john and kevin it's like yes but no you know what i mean like we need we need this to be the main thing uh because that's all also the problem barstool radio is it's not somebody's it's like it belongs to barstool you know so at the end of the day unless unless it like skyrocketed then i would just stick with that at the end of the day we need this to be

good because like this is where we get judged by and where we get paid off of and all that so it was like if i have to pick between the two i gotta go back to the bread and butter so which i think was a little unfair to barstool radio as a whole how quickly we left yeah but and i said that i was like i can't i don't think it's i think it it was a lot unfair. Like, I think those are problems we should have expected and foresaw and not just changed course immediately. I think it was a lot of like, I'm in love, I'm out of love, and see you later. Yeah, but I don't think we had a choice. No, but I think there should have been more, I don't know. I don't think anybody would have sat down and been like, we'll lose half our listenership because of this.

No, but the – I think we brought it back too quickly without a plan. I think we left too quickly without a plan. And I think it was – I do not think we handled the last six months very well, however long it's been. I mean, I don't think there was another way to handle it. What would you have done differently? Like how would you have done Barstool Radio differently? I wouldn't have done Barstool Radio.

I think we shouldn't have brought it back. If we could go back. I thought you were like totally. I was what? We had conversations where you were like, let's do it. When you called me and you were like, what about Tommy? I was like, that's good because we don't need a second show of us. Yeah.

But in those conversations, you were like, oh, that's good. With Tommy, yeah. No, for sure. 100%. But I would get them saying them saying how did we do again we shouldn't have done it oh well looking back on how it happened yes yes yes but like in the moment i don't think i forced you to do anything no no no okay but we shouldn't have yeah yeah yeah no i mean knowing that yes of course knowing that we lost half our listenership and the and the people we asked to be on it like seemingly don't really want to be on it. Yeah.

I wish they said no up front. I wish, you know, there's a million things I wish went differently. But once I knew that we, I was like, I don't care about any of this anymore. I have to protect what we've done. So I don't care. You can let it die. You can pick it up. But I'm washing my hands of it because it's not it's it's not my concern

right now like i have to worry about this because what i've been building for the last 10 years it just got fucking whacked in half so you can do it but i'm not i'm not i told him i was like i want to do this now like i can't give you like a month i can't i can't just let kfc radio dwindle to like slowly integrate you right so that's where i kind of was like you guys you are the three that i think are capable of it they it sounded like they did not want to work with nate that was a that was a mistake the entire time from i i didn't i didn't have many conversations with anybody i had a few texts with kelly a few texts with you nate should have been involved the entire time yes and i and i said to nate and if they didn't want to work with him then i think

we it should have been nate show but they i agree that uh so i called nate i probably should have like talked all three of them but it's one of those things where it's like i i don't know i didn't want to put people in a weird spot where if they you know they didn't want to work with me and they said that to me privately but if they were gonna if i was gonna put them all on the spot together it's like i mean that's probably should have been an episode of barcelona radio but nate is good at the drama and he's he's good at radio too like his radio show despite without the drama and all that stuff his Friday show there was one lull in the full hour

and that was when they did like G is the dozen thing aside from that it was a good radio show I think the problem with Nate is uh I think he has a reputation of not being good on camera. Yeah.

And I don't think... Which radio isn't really. It's become on camera. Yeah. But radio traditionally is not an on-camera show. Now, we've had Nate on before. Is Nate here? I think so.

I would guess he doesn't want to come on, but give him a chance. Ask him if he wants to come on. Okay. I think he does have a tendency As Dave says to Do it And love it And then when the heat is on He does not like that I think he's grown past that

I agree to an extent Like he's better at it He's gotten better But he does have a tendency to Either Like he can't stand the heat Or or like we always say, he's killing it. He's like super high, and then he does something, and he torpedoes himself. He's very volatile.

Yes, yes. But he's interesting because of all that. He's an interesting part of Barstool. There's a reason why he's a part of Survivor. There's a reason why he is in all these things. As he listed, you know, he's like the award show and this rundown

and this radio. He is always in the mix and you do need that. We were just discussing how there was the three people who could do it. Or more so that you should have been involved from the jump. And how I called the three of you basically separately being like i think the three of you are the people who work every day

and can or should be involved where what happened with you and them did they say like them who's kelly and francis okay they were just like we don't want to do it with you or that's what i understand but that's what i mean like like they said that to you or you know zero communication yeah no that's what so are you taking any blame yet have you have you taken any blame i i'm explaining how i was i basically was like i can't worry about transitioning this anymore like i'm i'm going i'm out i'm washing my hands yeah you three are the people i think could do this and then that was it there's a lot of blame to pass like we're doing a blame pie no i'm not doing a blame pie i'm just okay because like i would say you're like 12

percent to blame here for what for because why because just ending the show so abruptly and calling 10 of us all on the same day and being like you have the show you have the show you have the show you have the show you have the show i went down the line of people who i thought could do it there should have been and there's also a big that's part of the bigger problem here is that nobody there should have been nobody takes a better and there's a lot of like hindsight 2020 here there should have been a better what's it called like when the president hands it to the new president uh that process transition process there should have been a better one of those sure um i it also yeah i i when you talked to me and then i talked to keegs i was like i don't want to host the show i want to be the third or fourth mike right but i want

to be on every day because in the history of successful talk radio shows there has never been a rotating cast right in just the world history there's never been one time where it's like, so-and-so's on Monday and so-and-so's on Tuesday. It just doesn't work. You need, you know, just repetition and get the, you just, you need it. So, no, there was no communication with me. That's when Keegs said, like, that I wouldn't stop hitting her up and blowing her up. Right.

That was before the show even started. I was like, I want to be on every day and you're not telling me anything and then she's like no we included you in everything besides every meeting I was like okay well and then they said on the show that they just didn't want me on um so yeah that that's as far as the communication goes with me and them so and that's my fault not nothing is nothing's 100 anybody's fault there was just like bad communication across the board uh i do think i don't know the exact days i think you probably should have given a better like transition period not like you're starting tomorrow type of i know but i said to everybody my show just got whacked in half yeah yeah yeah no i told everybody from the jump the reason i'm doing this like this week is i was so if you guys didn't want

to do it no no you should have been like that's too soon and we need to take a break or something but i told everybody up front i'm not doing uh like a month of transition yeah and i didn't care because i was more privy to that information i don't know if they just didn't believe you or what flat out yeah but uh i understand like i understand why you did what you did you're like i have to make my money and the place the thing that makes money not the silly not the silly little rumble show right so so no i i it's nothing's like that serious you know like i don't think anybody's anger i'm not angry but it's like nothing's that serious but if we're passing out blame, you're 12%.

I'm like 2%. I think you're higher than 2%, but in a good way. I think you were... The blame is a good... I think you made a good show, and I think that created

If there was no Nate Fridays They'd just probably continue On and you know But you I'd like to take some of the blame Just because I think a great show came out of it So therefore if you're getting blamed You're getting credit

I felt like Honestly the only thing that would get minahan whitney and dave to do a a daily show would be i don't know that it's daily it's once a week daily are you insane well that's why i was like i couldn't believe when i he was telling me that it's back i was like no way that last i wasn't sure if it was once a week. I knew it wasn't daily. I just saw Dave tweet, like, radio slash DP. I saved the company, and also Rico is on Suicide Watch. So, I mean, it's going to – because they only – all three of them know one person, two people, Jeff D'Lo and Rico Bosco. It's the only people, like, that they know. And so – and you know Dave and Rico, they're like a fight forever type of thing it's

like yeah he's in hell right now are you going to continue your show that's also there's also uh barstool radio like i i don't think that what what uh you know dave whatever dave does is basically barstool so we're with him it's semantics but i think that like the dave minahan whitney once a week thing should almost be its own thing and if there's a nate dog friday it could be a nate at night or whatever it's just about signing a name to it basically yeah we're but if you're not gonna do what i'm brainstorming yeah i think there's definitely space for me to do something um i felt good about the friday show it did you know triple the viewers of the monday through thursday show you checked that and you knew that you knew that now i'll be honest i did no no i this is not

bullshit i never because i'm i don't want to look at like youtube chat and go down that rabbit hole someone tweeted me that and i just ran with it i i really have no i have no idea if it's true i would say this though you can fall into as as we did when barcelo radio is rocking the numbers are huge so you had a very what sucks is i you know i gave them such a blueprint to work with and like me and ohio tate who i'm not on his side but that does suck that was a bullshit thing because I don't think anyone's ever questioned Kelly's work ethic. Yeah, that was a weird – That's why – she's one of the reasons – there's very few people here who come to work every day and say yes when you say do you want to do something.

So when there's – you look around and it's like these are the only people who do work, and Kelly's one of them. So that was a strange – When it comes down to it, though – I will say, being like I can't come to work on friday that's a whole nother and then kind of getting caught in a lie that saying that you blog on fridays is is tough but that should have never like happened kelly was was never a top of list of like i've never when when it doesn't work she doesn't contract she she's tried everything she's been on everything she says yes to everything there's a reason why she's even in this conversation so when when they didn't talk about it on Monday

even if me or Pat or Tommy who was in there said something it would have just been the next thing you know like they it was never gonna work because they weren't willing it you you want to be in the fight and in the mud and do Barstool Radio until one episode of Nate on Friday, and then you're like, ooh, maybe this isn't for me. Well, listen, there's a difference between being in the mud and going up against the dog. Yeah.

And, I mean, Francis is obviously smart enough, good enough, talented enough to just member me limb by limb, but he's open about this. I'm not putting words in his mouth or saying anything he hasn't said publicly like he hates it like he he doesn't sleep he doesn't sleep at night yeah like and i what i did on friday was you know what dave pays me to do and i put at the same time the whole time i'm like this is so good for them because now people have to tune in on monday to hear their response this is exactly what this should be.

Right. It works perfectly. They can spend the first 15 minutes. I think it's hard to do a week like you waiting until Friday to say things. But no, it was even better because they have all the leverage. They have all the leverage. The tension, the buildup was, I mean, when I was here Friday and I walked by the, I just like kind of like walked in, head in my phone here Friday and I walked by the I just like kind of like walked in head to my phone

kind of like walked by the gambling cave and like didn't register right away I got a few steps past it I was like is there like a soccer game that I didn't know about and I looked back and it was just everyone in there getting ready for Nate Dogg there is something there bro

I really and always has been brother I want to say this like there should not be any anything there should not be any vibe of like let's not do at this office we should be doing you know what I mean of course like

if there and listen maybe it was because of the drama and it was a perfect storm and Nate Dog Fridays doesn't work But like you should try it Don't let it die Or it doesn't The blame pie

Where's Dante on that How much is Dante's slice of blame pie Dude he's My favorite person in the entire universe He's so funny Did you see that tweet Dante texted Nate What the fuck radio got cancelled because of us He's my favorite person in the entire universe. He's so funny. Did you see that tweet? No. Dante texted Nate, what the fuck?

Radio got canceled because of us? He probably was. He thought he said. He did say he wants to behead the mayor of Chicago. Did you say he's the number one unhinged? I didn't say John Ridge said it. I agree. I've probably said it before. In that moment, that was John Ridge.

I completely agree. In the roster, you know, we put like the Minnehans at the top and Ricos and stuff, but it's the Don. Or at least most delusional. Like, I don't know if he's... I texted this to Nate last night. Last night, Dante... This might be his most delusional thing. Dante retweeted a quote from the Daily Stoic. Dante, this is, I have the screenshot.

It says, Dante reposted. The quote is, it's possible, Marcus Aurelius said, to not have an opinion. You don't have to turn this into something. Oh, my God. He reminds himself, you don't have this to let's upset you you don't have to think something about everything retweeted by dante the doc yeah now he's the best dude yeah he always used to tweet the um the secret the secret yeah so that's not that's what i was saying i was like real dante heads know that he retweets the daily stoic every day the secret

because that that's why i added that that was my secret being the book that's like the five what he usually does is after he retweets it he then screenshots it and puts it on his instagram story so i see it in both places i i love dante i was gonna say you guys you guys have a dot thanks ben oh i am i am i'm like an awl of dante content like i love everything he does why did he thought it was him yeah well he he's he works weird hours so he's doing so many people by the way thought like who don't keep up with uh all the inner workings just hearing that parcel radio canceled i got text last night what'd you do how like why is dave mad at you i was like no me bro not me uh i it is it's good that they're doing this show whitney kirk and dave it's bad for smitty it's bad for me it's bad for rico i don't think

it's bad for you it is no well i mean you might maybe i'm saying professionally it's not bad for you personally if you think if it stresses you out that's fine i one idea i have is i might just fact check it after every episode yes this is what i mean like i'm gonna do nate dog fridays then you were gonna do for ke for Kelly and Francis with those three. You know how funny it would be you fucking doing the same shtick, but with them? This just stays in this room, okay? Yeah, nobody's listening.

Let's pre-record on Thursdays and play it on Fridays. Working Fridays is off. May have to put in his earrings in the morning. Have you ever slept in your earring? When your name gets not one but two earrings going you know he's in his bag this is what happened is pat the gay one he said that he would come to the bar if i wore my earrings this is a weird this is a weird and i was like no i was like all right that sounds that's a good plan and then he didn't come to the bar but But then I was like feeling myself in the earrings. I like the way they look. They look nice.

It's so you. It's so you. Yeah. You know what I really think? I really think there was a time where you were bad on like podcast or video. Okay. That was like 12 years ago. Can I tell a story about that?

Yeah. You remember a lot. You might remember. It was probably like my third month at Barstool uh it couldn't have been more than a year and you were doing some show i don't know it's like a baseball show um and you had me on and you pretended your internet didn't work because i was so bad on it you're like yeah the internet just shit out i've done that to people before but i don't know if i did it was so It was so early. It was 2016 or something, 2014. It was so early.

And we didn't record it, or I said it, we didn't even do it? No, you stopped it like six minutes in. You're like, yeah, my internet doesn't work. It could be possible, but I can tell you the people I've done that to, and I don't remember being you.

One is sitting on this couch. I don't know if that was you. I don't know. There is a possibility. Your internet never got fixed, and we never re-recorded it but but i think when dave when dave you know it's tough with dave because whatever you were in 2010 is what you are to this oh yeah so like you can't change his opinion on that oh never he he still does the same laundry list of things

that he's been saying for eight years he is right about that you will you go in guns blazing and then you're like oh fuck when when shit gets crazy that's you still do that to an extent not not not in the way he says it not well but because he's talking about when you would do it like 10 years ago. He's talking about one specific episode when I was like hella major depressed and I was like I need to take a step back or I'm going to like KMS. But that was literally eight, nine, ten years ago. It's the earrings and the skater shoes. Like I said, it's the shitty tattoos. I'm really like I've really come into like who I've always wanted. It's the earrings. I was going to say. Yeah, man. Like I said, it's the shitty tattoos.

I'm really like, I've really come into like who I've always wanted. Into yourself. Exactly. That's what I mean, though. There's, you are, you are, you've, you've, you've rounded into the final form of the dog. Yeah. And you're not completely wrong.

Like even after Friday, like I knew Friday went well and like it was everything it was supposed to be. Good show, by the way. But then like that decompression period when you're like, Oh my God, now I have to deal with all the aftermath. That's what sucks. But like,

that's the job. Like you have to do it the next day and the next day and the next day and the next day and the next day and the next day. The most adult thing I ever did. Cause I was sitting there reading all my mentions, getting really sad. I was like, I just don't have to check my mentions.

And I didn't check them until Monday. And it was the best thing I ever did i don't think people get that that like it's it's amazing right my dad just fucking discovered water last year yeah you're drinking water it's good for you yeah no shit yeah yeah like yeah that's why you're like a guy who i'm the meme of the guy on the bike who sticks the stick into the wheel and then he's like how did that happen you're like your last buddy to get a job where he's like dude wake it up in the morning

sucks like yeah it fucking does dude but you gotta do it that's the the other problem with Barstool Radio is like even when it the good times of numbers are awful like life wise like those Even when the good times of numbers are awful, like, life-wise.

Like, even those episodes where the viewers are loving it, you're tense on the couch, you're nervous, you're fighting, you have to defend yourself. And that's why I get why Francis doesn't like it and doesn't want to do it. But then, like, yes. Because you don't want to say no. You can't say no. You don't want to say no to an opportunity.

Because then if it involves Dave here, you said no. No, no, no, no. I made that very clear. I feel like I don't think Dave – I told everybody that in my conversation with Dave that I was having about my contract, he does not care about Barstool Radio, did not care about, like, the New York office. He was just like, you got to do what you got to do so I I said to them like I at least I hope I maybe you know I don't know if I ever like explicitly was like you do not like Dave will not care but I I made it I made it more of a thing of like I think people should you should try to do this yeah and then they were like talking about changing the name and changing the time and I did say say to them, if it's new people and a new name,

it's a new show. So I think you should probably just leave some of it alone. It probably should have had a new name. But then that's where I was like, but I'm not going to tell, I'm not going to tell people what to do, how to do it. I was like, that's where I'm out on that.

That's another one of those hindsight things. It probably should have had a new name just so they weren't so cornered. But the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, why, should have had a new name just so they weren't so no but it cornered but no barcelona radio has but there's if there was going to be why wait wait wait why why because then it should just be a different show it should be called it should have been a different yes it should have been well but but i don't then we're not then then it's like you then then go plan that on your own terms and don't take it over in a day like we we just talked about like if you're going to change the

name then don't do the show right because i i don't think anyone's like Frank Kelly and Francis need a show. So why would you create a show? Now we can open a whole other conversation. They thought that they – we can get into that too. The way how condescending they were towards me and how they thought they were like this beacon of radio talent. Are they here? I don't want to talk about them. But that's why I didn't say until just now.

But they thought that this show was going to be a smashing smashing success and then when it wasn't that's when it all started like deteriorating yeah i i think that the it actually ends up the the misgivings i had about that show where kelly and francis being too they're they're they're characters or partly you know everyone's kind of character is partly true Or only true Characters that they've worked on building Which is elite Higher class little high and mighty

People And I think that that was A concern of mine when I was like I don't know It seems like a duo That like it seems like they could get that way And it got that way pretty quickly and it's kind of funny That it did end up getting canceled while they talked about our music yes so yesterday we're all sitting around like my desk and like everybody's like very calm and

just like talking through it and francis just has it's so funny he has his legs like kicked up on his desk and he's not doing a bit he's just reading a fine wine magazine just flipping through the pages and it's like i is it's it was yeah it's it's there there they've been successful creating those personas it's like it's the auras they want and they've earned and they're good at i think the two of them together on a daily radio show i didn't i didn't think was i don't i didn't think they'd want to do what radio is yeah and and i don't think anyone was like and i still feel that show they could have done 10 to 15 minutes about friday's thing and then gone on to fine art

and taylor and all that stuff it just they could have done one minute bro they just you you could have said uh ohio tate is a nobody and i will not give him a second of my airways i i would not agree with that angle but like you did that yes that you could say that's what that's what i do pat said it best is even if you don't want to talk about it you just have to know the people watching and listening want to hear you talk about it and you just have to give them what they want because that's also a producer thing at barstool we, producers are very technical. It's like they record and edit and post and shit. And in the rest of the world, producers are the ones who call the shots content-wise.

They're like, here's the rundown of what we're talking about. And then there's a fight with the talent. I don't want to blame the producer, though, because that's just not how it works here. It's different here. I put very, very, very little. Very little. Almost zero. Almost 0.5 percent one percent like like such a zero yeah like but they're the ones coming from the the old new whatever barstool radio where it's like i i blame me for not i guess all you can do is give the people the

sheet going in on the sheets like we were all sitting there like should we go in there should we go in there should we go in there pat was like i'm on tomorrow i'll bring it up tomorrow like that was how did no no i thought that was fair he's like well that's the thing it's like let them do their show and then tomorrow will be fireworks when pat's on it i thought that was fair the barstool radio is i don't think a lot of people fucked up we were describing it as like it's not one person's thing It's like Nobody has ownership over the show

You know what I mean So it's just there to be But that's also kind of an idea I know when Kelly and Francis got control I was like that's good Because what I always wanted when we were doing Barstool Radio Was people to come in and just do a talk And as soon as it was their show I did not feel welcome right not nothing to do with them right that was not

there that's just like how what it's also a respect thing like it's a respect thing it's their show yeah like right i didn't want to interrupt their show i was like she had that clip when she was like i'm not gonna beg you to come in i was like you usually invite people on to your show and i'd heard that criticism when i was on barstool radio and i was like you usually invite people onto your show and i'd heard that criticism when i was on barstool radio and i was like what are you talking i've said it a million times just come on the show just don't do and then when the shoe was on the other foot i could i couldn't do it i was like i feel like i'm correct uh breaking in you almost need like a host who you need like a moderator and that's the only constant and then they call in people you know

what i mean because that way there's no like i did feel like i'm not gonna i didn't want to go in there and be like what the fuck are you guys doing not talking about this because it's like i i just passed it to you and then i'm gonna go in there and fucking rail on it but that's what it should be that show should be you're talking about what's going on at barstool you're being honest about it you talk about it in the open you throw punches and then you move on it's just that you can't move on dave can move on minahan can move on people here can't move on because we're all friends or enemies or co-workers or whatever john also said it best if that's not the show they wanted to do it's fine like then that's not the show for them yeah yeah and i think we've said it like if it wasn't yesterday let's say i did run in there pat ran in there whatever yelling would have

happened blah blah blah blah it just would have been the next thing you know like if they just real if their hearts weren't in where they wanted it to be so it's almost like exactly what happened to us. We didn't want to do a show that was drama-filled. You guys got very unlucky. It was during a quiet barstool drama period for nothing happening. We came in so hot, and then it went dry. Like Mean Girls, and then nothing.

That's the problem with the show, is it could be a month, it could be six months. I will say, when more shit happens here, there's more drama. There's also... There's not a lot going on here. There's also, like, Dave did... I don't even know the word.

Chastised. Like, not yell at them, but, like, reprimand a little. Like, you guys have to be more prepared. Honestly, I told John that when he was like, when I was on yesterday, you guys were bad. I was like, this is over. Yeah. But it's like that sort of...

And that's why i thought they would see about your show it's a wrap i've been listening to talk radio my whole life like i like growing up love talk radio like loved it everything about it listen to it night and day it to fill an hour it's not like rocket science it's like topic your opinion on topic calls on topic next topic you can fill an hour very very easily doing that story from the weekend have you ever had a story like that calls about that story next topic very easy recurring calls eventually you have running themes that group was not funny enough talented enough good enough at radio yet not saying they couldn't be yet to do what you know the yak does or whatever and fill an hour plus just shooting the shit they just they

didn't have that quality and it's not it's hard there's a reason howard stern is howard stern and everybody else is everybody else man it's like it seems like you know what i can name two people who have built an empire doing inner their universe drama stern and dave and to say i don't want to do that when dave's telling you to do that goodbye like well it's just you you say that you do that because dave did does dave tell you like i mean yeah he doesn't tell anybody anything well but he has said like i want you to be the spider monkey yeah he has said that of course he said that all right but does he does he do that like privately like in like contract oh god no no no no so that's just i mean because you when you say that i was always like does he actually tell him to do it or you're just so you're saying i think i understand what dave wants from me i if you tells me if you watch my

character arc whatever you want to call it i have picked my spider monkey spots like pretty well pretty well yeah like i i know dave wants it all the time i think that's kind of silly like you gotta have some yeah wait to it some gravitas but when when it's the mask it's your ass like and it were and i'm i'm way i mean obviously i'm way better now at everything than i was when i started like mentally like you know playing into the role whatever you want to call it and now it's like way more fun and I can handle it way better now right also but could you well that's the thing like yeah yes so I wouldn't so Kevin Kevin I wouldn't have done Friday if I wasn't ready for Francis to come back at me ten times harder. Because I know he can, and he just didn't.

And that's when I was like, that's when we all started. I feel like Francis is making a choice to, like, not really. Yeah, but I wouldn't have done Friday if I wasn't mentally ready for him to, like, rip me limb by limb. So,

so where, also, you pussies getting mad at me that i didn't go hard enough at you uh at the 20th anniversary party all i do no that's him i was okay okay you went out of this i was like i was like i have a i'm writing a whole section for you boy there was there was enough you know references and illusions and pictures and old videos of my shit. Oh, yeah. That was ridiculous. I do not need that. He wanted it harder.

I was grateful. I think I said thank you. I'll check the tape on that. If we do it again, I have a couple written already. Just saying. What's that? I said good. Okay.

It's all fun. So where does nico from here wherever the tides take me brother you know it's you can't i mean we got a friday coming we got a friday and you know what three days what what are we yeah the plan was to respond to what they did monday through thursday you know maybe like a monologue mask on whatever and then we were gonna do gentlemen's friday with large i'm disappointed that we're not drinking on friday now uh you could do it yeah no i have to see if like what's possible blah blah blah blah blah blah because i don't i don't think it'll be on like the main barstool channel i don't know i have to talk to dave even that so so what no we might like record i'm saying yeah make a new you

know yeah yeah like we have to be you make a new you know yeah yeah like we have to be you have to do shit here yeah right like we're in the lab yeah we're in the lab i think that if i think if uh yeah that's the other thing too if a lot of i just gotta push me to work friday so hard like it doesn't have to be friday bro doesn't have to be friday pick a different day no i know i work on monday through thursday i'm not working friday for a reason too i think i'm in a different spot than some of these people who are not working on Fridays. But you can do whatever the fuck you want. Just do something.

No, I agree. I agree. I'm not dissapointed. Did they reply, by the way, about coming in here? No, they didn't respond. Oh. That's fine. I think that's expected.

If there was more shit going on too, I think there would be more, more barstool things to talk about. Like when it's, when you, if you're stirring up some drama, that's like, I heard that Nate fucking hates Francis, whatever.

That's shit where people are like, Hey man, fuck you. Like you're making my life harder. This is, this sucks. Right. When it's like,

we were doing a video together and you cheated in the game or you fucked me in the game and you're fighting over that shit it's like there's drama and tension and it's entertaining but it's not like you're talking about my personal life you're talking about my work ethic you're calling me out to the boss okay just to make it clear we're not doing that. This all is because they would not stop talking about me. I, it was all. I'm not even talking about you guys anymore.

Okay. I'm just saying in general, like even like today we're going to do this draft and I can like, nobody cares. Nobody wants to do it. I almost want to call the whole thing off. Cause I'm just like, I'm done.

Try. I've done this. I've done my job here. We've been doing this forever. If anything, I think people should look at me as like, not that talented. I'm not my job here. We've been doing this forever. If anything, I think people should look at me as like, not that talented, I'm not that likable, and somehow I've made fucking a lot of money

and had a long career doing this. So maybe listen to me or come to me or let's do something together. And nobody does anything and nobody fucking cares. And I'm like dragging it out of them. Who's annoying you the most? It's not even... Ooh, name names.

No. Oh, I'll go get the mask. Do you want the most? It's not even... Name names. No. I'll go get the mask. Do you want the mask? What if we just did that? We brought the mask in and you have immunity when you wear the mask. Great idea. That would be great. If the office agreed, like those talking sticks, except it's the Nate Dog mask,

you can say whatever you want when you got the mask on. You need Festivus. You want me to go get it for you? I want to hear names. I want to hear who you're mad hear your it's not worth it it's like i don't care go don't do work i don't care like i i did care i wanted to try it's clearly going to be impossible or very very unlikely that it works so that's always kind of been an issue right is i think it's hard uh i think it's hard when there's no boss and there's no rules but there's no yeah that's like when you ask if dave's ever like told me to like dave doesn't tell anybody it either comes down to you work for two reasons pretty much in any job i would imagine your boss

tells you to and you're afraid to get fired or you you want it and you go do it yeah and i think people like us we wanted it dave never told us to do anything we did it we like it to an extent it becomes work but you like it still or you find something new that you like you know yeah but if you come here just being like i'm only gonna do whatever i have to do to get a paycheck and then like the guy who's really writing the paychecks is fucking chilling in miami it's like i don't know i'm gonna come and go as i please or do whatever and i'm trying new things or at least encouraging things i i do think a lot of the people here work i think most of the people here in the who come to the office people i see every day i think work yeah there aren't like community things but everyone out there right like i'm like that's why

i wanted him to name names that like it's not that they don't work it's a it's like i what is the definition of work like you write a couple blogs like i mean i don't know we we there were oh there's a long it was a long time of like writing blogs doing multiple podcasts doing rundowns for me like i we did a lot a lot hosting survivor after shows that's a big one all all of these things like there was a lot of that tickle you john he is good at it he's a dog for a reason. When I see a fucking slow-pitch softball, I have to hit it. It's not personal. It's just funny. And that is the convo me and Francis had.

Oh, he tried to Jedi mind trick me so hard with his, like, Harvard intellect, like, trying to get – because he knew the wrath was coming, and I was like, yeah. This is pre-last Friday. Yeah, pre-Friday. I was like, yeah, the wrath is coming. Like, this is what we're paid to do. And he was like, well, just don't bring up this. I was like, dude, I'm not going to do any of that super personal.

I was like, of course not, dude. I think if people understood that, it would go better. But here's the thing. We agreed that anything that happens in those glass walls of radio is fair game entertainment. And then I did mine. I think people can say that. And then people can't but i guess that's not a broader scope of this whole conversation we're having is like we've

always been this gray area of like we're half wrestling half real life but we're wrestling until until i'm not yeah and we've been having this exact back and forth forever and we'll continue to have it forever but that's why so there's there's the three people i love the gray area there's dave who's the boss so people you're not friends with the boss the boss is the boss and you everybody loves dave because he gave the opportunity and the money and all that shit and then if it comes with like he chews you out on radio that's just how it happens kirk who's a certified crazy person and also being removed he like doesn't give a fuck older and removed he doesn't give a fuck about any of this shit and then the dog who doesn't really you don't really

hold back either but you kind of do but kind of but you go further than the i live in the most gray area ever where i often don't know but your gray is just a little bit darker yeah you go towards the black side you start to get dark in there but uh yeah no for sure for sure for sure because you'll be like yo you fucking suck or you're fucking lazy like you called out a lot of people that most people won't and that's why you should have been involved from the joke agreed and they thought that it was i was beneath them and not talented and i had not earned the right to talk into a microphone right and that that that that is their words not mine right and that's crazy because if anything you know there was it's

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I think it is an option to, to just stay out of it. I get that, but I'm not, I, the problem with that is that it leaves Kelly high and dry. And I am, you get that feeling too.

I will say right off the bat that the responsibility for the failure of barstool radio in our iteration is at least 50 mine if not more when we came in on the day uh to the day where monday yesterday uh i saw kelly as we were walking into the office and i was like i don't think we should talk about this stuff and the reason was I thought it would create this endless loop of okay we Nate talked about it on Friday Ohio Tate writes the blog Monday Francis and Kelly come in they address it they get mad at Nate they get mad at Tate. He writes another blog. Nate comes back on on Friday and addresses everything we talked about on Monday.

And on and on and on we go. And I thought that would get very tiresome. And so that's kind of my thought is aren't you relieved? Because, yes, you're right. That would get tiresome. And, yes, that is what Barstool Radio is. Also, that is definitely my fault. When like thank god if i maybe i should have had a longer conversation with you um because what you just described is like literally the show i i and that's where like

if i if i had known that about you like that you don't want to do that or find that tiresome or grading because by the way it fucking is and that's why this this is a a very uh like it's not just a show that anybody can do it's probably only we were talking before you guys came in how there's only you know dave and kirk and people like that could do it if i had known you really felt that way i would have been like i don't think this is for you but i thought that it was kind of understood like i was describing it as when the drama is on it's good meaning the show is performing well that's what the audience likes when it's down is when you gotta like carry it but right but when the drama hits you gotta do the drama without a doubt and and to me a little

backstory here you know a couple months ago kelly and i got together we enjoy working with each other uh i think we have a little bit of like we like to try to dress a little bit and drink wine and all that bullshit and we thought maybe there was an opportunity for some kind of a show about that we were kind of meeting and to try to see if there was like a morning show and the person who behind the scenes was helping us organize that got let go in the huge let go layoffs and that kind of evaporated. And so when this opportunity came around, I think both of us were a little bit excited about, well, maybe this is the chance for us to create the show we wanted. Which I also think was, we talked about, before this all even started, I said all those things.

The morning show thing. Right. I told you that backstory. I told you what maybe we can turn Varsal Radio into. You said that the drama is good when it's not manufactured. Agreed. This whole thing with the blogs on Friday, apart from the conversations with Hubs and Nate about the blog itself, no one else talked about it or cared about it.

I got one text from Big Cat saying, oh,, haha, like great blog. That's it. The only people that were talking about it were the like trolls in my replies because I saw Kirk was retweeting it a bunch. So like that's and that's not the world that I live in. So I didn't think it was anything outside of my own immediate world. I thought like it feels heavy for me because I'm in the middle of it. No one else is talking about it. No one tweeted about it. No one said shit the middle of it no one else is talking about it no one tweeted about it no one said shit so i thought no one's interested in this the guy wrote this blog out of nowhere i don't know him he's calling me lazy saying i don't work he's thinks he's got me with all this like proof it makes no fucking sense like it was it was stupid in my opinion we were saying but that's what the show is he's taking victory laughs as if he's he brought me

down i'm like you don't know what the fuck are you talking about? Literally nobody. There's plenty of people who, who were, are like, they're, they don't earn their contract. They don't work there.

Uh, they should be like, Oh, whatever. Kelly has never, ever been even like mentioned in that. Thank you for saying that because nobody else has. And that's why,

that's my only concern is what Dave thinks. And at the, at right now Dave agrees like thinks that it's hard for people to jump under the bus with Dave though

you know what I mean yeah no I know but it's like but we're all like we're gonna watch I've never been thrown under the bus harder than I am with this situation

and it's like fine whatever I'll wear this there's nothing I can do about it now it's too late everybody it's my fault that Barstool Radio's over

according to everybody else well you know that it is according to everybody else Dave is saying Dave is literally saying it's my fault that Barstool Radio is over, according to everybody else. Well, you know that it is. No, it's not. Dave is saying it. Nate came on. We were talking about how we fucked up. Dave is literally saying it's my fault alone. But you're reading immediate tweets.

I'm saying on our show, we failed. It's our fault. I blame Kevin 12%. You should have talked about it. I said you're not lazy. I said no one thought. I don't know where. I appreciate you saying that.

But I'm saying. Nate gave me 12%. I will up it to 18%. Until this moment, no one has said shit about it. Yeah, I waited until I was in front of the microphone to talk about it. Where do you want me to say these things? I don't know. To my face yesterday?

It would have been nice. I said that yesterday when we were sitting down. We failed. We started the ball rolling. We failed. Then you guys failed. You did fail. You did a bad job on that show.

And I don't know- That's okay. But no one ever questioned your work ethic. I guess it just was- Kelly, kelly i get what you're saying when i was going through that shit with smitty and i felt like shit every day i was wondering like people were like nice to me and stuff like my friends i was like why isn't anybody vocal about this on twitter and then they basically they're like it's not my thing to get involved with. I don't want to be dragged into this. It's true.

It's hard. It's hard that Nate is still sitting here. I don't know if you got what the conversation you guys had before this. None of this would even be a conversation if you didn't try to paint the narrative that no one wants to work on Fridays. Don't blame me. I don't think I'm saying that. I think they should. Nobody does.

Like, it's just because they did a good show. He did a good show one day on Friday. Yeah cause Nate did a good show He did a good show One day on Friday Yeah he did a good show He didn't even have a And then you guys chose Not to reply to it And that was an issue

What what He said the same things We talked about all week What would we have replied to He regurgitated exactly What he said to our faces On the show But then said it again

In a two minute scripted monologue And then talked about how The company's nothing without him For an hour I mean if you didn't think It was interesting Then I think again It should be a relief. I thought the Dante thing was great.

I liked the segments. I liked that you had some time to plan it out. That's something that we would have loved to have had, but we didn't have that. And we're still trying to figure out the situation. So we weren't there yet. And all of that drama happened at one time. Like, it was not supposed to start out

being drama all the time. But then Erica resigned, and then Dave was in the office, and then all that shit happened at once. No it was all fine that's what we didn't started dave it happened for a week and a half and we had the mean girls and it was like this is good and it was great so we had like going with the same conversation just because like that now the laziest one here no not that but to be honest yeah like that is what barcelo radio listeners want is that shit right so i think what happened is that we you know we weren't barcelo radio right that's just what it was we wanted to do the kelly and francis show it was under the banner of barcelo

radio the people who drive that show have the obligation to do that show. And we failed at doing that show. And that's fine. I can't be, and I don't think Kelly wants to be, the host of that show. We're just not. Again, like it didn't, when it was presented, it didn't sound like that was going to be the show. Like it sounded like this isn't going to be the show like it sounded like this this isn't going to be the show anymore we're going to turn it into something else similar to like the

yak or whatever we need something in new york that is like that because this isn't working so i wrote that fucking novel email to everybody i'm talking about an hour long with you talking about with you 25 minutes on the phone with you i don't know how many people i talked about well i'm sorry on the same page and i am sorry if I didn't convey. I thought I said, like, you do the drama when there's drama. And then the in-between is where you have to have a good show. And we were doing the drama when there was drama. But yes, we did not think that this would continue.

And being in the middle of it, I didn't know if it was interesting or not. I asked, is this interesting? Everyone was like, you know, whatever. We're going to get stuck in this spin cycle. And I agreed completely. you know, whatever, we're going to, we're going to get stuck in this spin cycle and I agreed completely. I said, yes,

we're going to just talk about the same fucking thing for four days again and then Nate's going to talk about the same thing on Friday and it'll go on forever. Like, who wants,

already people were saying, I know, but already people were, I was under the impression that people were sick of it already and wanted us to move past it. Like, that's who I was.

Here's how naive I was. no, I do. You're from the reality and i'm so fine with drama but i also know when you harp on about the exact same thing it gets stale like you can't but it wasn't the exact same thing the ohio tate you mean ohio tate that blog stemmed from you pretending like i don't work on friday you have to stop blaming me you have to you have to stop i would like you to take a little accountability for stirring up the narrative that no one wants to

do shit on friday that's the only one percent blame you're such a fucking cunt nate i swear to god i i literally like i i think nate i think that was too but like i don't think you're taking accountability either i said that if with if anyone else had told me that that tate thing was worth talking about i will give you blog to kel no i replied to his blog and i mean and all i got in response to it from anybody was dan hey great blog but how often do like i don't know like i've done a radio we've done shows for 10 years i don't ever talk about his original blog made no fucking sense to me i'm saying he said like look she says she blogs on fridays look at all these fridays that she hasn't had a blog and i said in that clip he was referencing i said blog

other points in the show and other days on the show i said friday is the day that i write my newsletter so i included all my newsletters how many fucking subscribers i have this is good no but radio no but i wrote that on the blog and then it doesn't matter what i say because nobody cares about that dave already saw i think i I'm lazy. All this bullshit's happening. I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with Ohio's Tate who has an issue with me because he tried to blow something up, blow up a joke that I said that I don't want to,

I like working for him. But I think you said just that right there on the radio. And then him all day long, please don't get me started. Don't get me started on her saying she doesn't want my makeup. You knew it was a fucking joke. Why are you acting like it's not? That's why I didn't address it. Because I's not? That's why I didn't address it.

Because that's why I didn't address it. No, but you rose your eyes as if you were on the side of everybody else. That's why I didn't address it. It's like no one has thrown me under the bus harder than Nate. And it's very infuriating to me. I would say nobody's had your back more than me. Bullshit. It's fake.

You know that it's fucking fake. It's not. Listen. Yes, it is. Simply not, Kelly. To Kelly's point, when all this happened on Monday yesterday I need to interject real quick I didn't bring it up on the show the Ohio Tate thing and I pushed his blog to after my thing because you said Ohio Tate has a blog coming out right after radio because I thought

the makeup thing was so stupid and his whole point of his blog was you in the makeup thing that I didn't even want to address you guys said that you weren't you didn't even know if you wanted to publish the blog it was so insignificant because i feel like publishing a blog from him is as close to publishing a internet commenters yeah let me say let me let me say ohio ohio exactly right ohio tape throwing shots at people you replied to it so it was worth right because they posted it and he was accusing me of not working and i said yes i do work in case you ever see you heard me talking in the office i didn't want to publish it i had your back through that whole thing you know that well okay here but you let me wait let me just say this about ohio state because if everybody feels that way about him he probably shouldn't

have a fucking handle and a job that's not my call though obviously so if he does and he's writing i it's it's incredible bullshit to throw shots at people, get them in trouble with their boss, get them fucking having people coming at them on the internet while you are literally hiding behind a fake name because you want to be a gym teacher and you can't get doxxed. He also is so pissed about pictures. I took those from Google, bro. I Googled him into pictures.

I would put that motherfucker on blast. Dude, I say we're going to fly to Cincinnati and plant troves of child pornography on his work computer. If you're going to make my life miserable, you're losing your job as a fucking gym teacher. I promise you. It's easy to talk shit, but you don't have to come and look somebody in the face.

And it's like, that's all fine. And I understand. That being understood, Dave Portnoy has had arguments with fucking interns on Barstool Radio. It's just the nature of this job and that show is you is like you come in this arena and you're it's kind of like a fair fair fight or you you dunk on someone and be like you're a fucking nobody get the fuck out of the studio and it's like what you just said would probably have been great on radio like say you did talk about it

yesterday but your mindset wasn't like i have to address this let's say someone told you to pat or tommy or whatever it just would have been the like this show just wasn't for you guys then like that's fine i know we admitted that or somebody we weren't the right people for it was just like yo you guys have to talk about this would you of course of course i had no fucking idea that people were watching someone called in about uh someone called in about taylor there were a couple other like taylor swift calls i was like all right we're done talking about that one popped up for a minute that said Ohio Tate, and then it went away. And that was it. They said nothing.

I don't know if they were screening behind because they heard us talk about it beforehand, but no. And I had no idea how many people were watching and waiting for it. No one in the office said anything to me before we went on. Like, I came out and the only person who said something to me afterwards was Clemmer. He's like, why didn't you mention it? I was like, because it's bullshit. Whatever.

Like, who cares? No one else was around. No one said anything. Can I also say that I think you guys don't have a good radar on. A hundred percent. And my radar. I have brought up stuff that after shows, people have been like, we cannot talk about that. And I'm like, what the fuck?

Where's the line? I don't know. Which is why I get fired. I have no idea what is inbounds and what is out of bounds. It's a very, this company is a very. It's so arbitrary. It's like, we can't, you know, we don't really talk about the Chicago, New York office beef and we don't do this. And yet, like, how come we're not addressing

Ohio Tate yeah I know you're right you're right what the fuck is allowed and not what I would say to that is I would always err on the side of doing it then not doing it but that's what I I think I think a good line would be you have you have a very good argument I can't lose my job and I just you know your job for for talking shit about an employee but the i would avoid dead people from now i get what you're saying francis and because there are so many don't do the dips and dives but i think a pretty good barometer that i would use is if it's on the blog talk about yeah if it's fair enough originally i think what barstool radio is was like we're going to make the blog radio yes but but like okay i guess i don't know

i i feel i feel fucking stupid because i feel like everybody had all of a sudden everybody is like wow you didn't know this and i swear to god like i'm not trying to come in here and like not take accountability and whatever i just feel like it's it was so it was uh presented to me in a completely different way than i thought it was like i just didn't feel like it was presented to me in a completely different way than I thought it was like I just didn't feel like it was presented to me in the way of like this is Barstool Radio

it's drama only it will stay this way and are you willing to rise up to the task like why else would I be like saying all that other shit people were texting me

Rowan texted me after I sent that email and said great can't wait to see what this becomes you're saying oh great you took initiative like everyone's being

super supportive are you saying that I didn't are you dragging that on me because if I was unclear that like i mean i should have said like you should have been more clear yes and i agree it should have been more clear but but how is it that i'm because i remember saying like when the drama happens i would even come back or we would do it like kelly i blame kevin 12 but then i remember saying what do you blame him i can't tell how much i blame him because in my head, it wasn't presented to me as this. And it should have just been said like, no, this is Barcelona.

Let me just say, okay, on that front, I remember saying, when there's drama, I will come back and do it. And then I remember thinking, that's not fair if I just swoop in for the good times. It's their show. When the drama is popping off and the numbers are going and fans love it, they should get to reap the benefits because they are doing the the like the sludge part too so i remember thinking like maybe i won't do that so but i i still thought we understood that it was going to still be about inter barstool stuff and sometimes that was going to be i i guess i didn't and i okay it's crazy well then that i'm the only one that didn't like i i did not know that this is like that's why i'm so confused by this i have no idea how i missed it well it's not it's it's made more for kirk and dave and yeah i mean look like that's that's a

better iteration of me and john you you two if it took the original then ronan caleb then there's been many different versions of it uh the lindsay gonzalez like right if it took this failure kelly and i have a running joke any time i can bring her name off i do uh it's like when hitchcock used to appear in his movies every once every movie for stan lee as well like well there it is that's him there's stan lee in the marvel movie um no but like uh i i if it took our colossal failure to finally bring home the point to Dave that he is needed to do this. And he's now brought Kirk and wit, which talk, it's like, that's talk about the dream team.

If that's what it took, I can't be all that sad because I'm a fan of that show. That's the show I would have wanted it to be. So now to, to John's point about if it's on the blog then it's fair game the blog is arbitrary too correct i have written at least the blog has sometimes when you're speaking it just comes out of your head the blog at least at least someone thinking but this is good to go up knowing what dave is going to react positively or negatively to is flip a coin because i have

had blogs that i've written and sent off and nate has been like careful no and then he has had some where he's been like you should write this and we have and then it has pissed dave off yeah and it's an impossible job that he has i i am a am a writer who tries to go right to the line and dance along it and not go over. And, you know, it's a tough thing. It's not an easy job. I would get it. I don't write ever anymore. But speaking, I try and err on the side of don't get close to the line.

If I'm not sure about something, just don't say it at all. Writing, I would don't get close to the line. If I'm not sure about something, just don't say it at all. Writing, I would try and get close to the line. Because, again, at least you have a safety net there. Yeah. You can read it over once or whatever. I also, like, you don't want to piss off Dave. But, like, he's not going to fire anybody. He's not, like, actually.

I've heard that before. I hear this all the time. I'm literally living proof three years i wandered three years i wandered out alone in the cold it's very clear that taylor swift only goes so far like i mean for me no that's the only connection i have with dave i definitely you're the wrong person to say that too you will never like if you if you uh a situation like this is not you you're not going to get, like, fired because he doesn't think you work. You're in the mix.

It's all part of it. He knows that you do work. Like, you fucked something up, but it's like, you're still going to be here and do. Yes. If you write about a dead girl and then we get national. I have seven months left on my contract and to be embroiled, you know, you just, you don't want to add negative stuff to Dave's sheet as he's considering whether or not to renew you. I feel you. Which is why, like, I don't know why, like, I understand infighting and fun and whatever, but I've never liked, and i've said this when you guys did radio and i said

it i think in our conversation we talked about i hate the people that call out other people or think that they're calling out other people for their work ethic or how much they get paid or how what time they come to work or whatever i think that that's a toxic there's one there's one person who do that and that's the boss exactly and i think it's crazy to start that's why i try it using that as an excuse to elevate yourself, which is why I'm pissed at you. And it's like I think that that cultivates a mood in the office that's shit. Nobody should be afraid of fucking Big Brother.

Big Brother is Dave. That's it. I shouldn't have to worry about whether – I don't have to – Catching strays because some bum fuck in the middle of Ohio says I don't work. like you have no fucking idea what i do so it's like how do you even know that and i think it's insane that it's that it's used for content and i think that you know everybody's always talking about chicago new york chicago new york chicago never fucking does that so and it works for them and they all get along great so why can't we do the same thing it feels like old dog

you know can't learn new tricks why can't we? Why do we have to keep doing this bullshit? If you can't prop yourself up without putting other people down. Right. I feel like that's crazy. I mean, people think, and even just having said that,

people will give me shit because of the Mean Girls thing. People think I wrote that one blog about the Mean Girls because they were stupid and I deserve all of this. I deserve everything that's coming for me. I can't talk shit.

I can't say anything. I do not think this is the same situation at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like. I don't think it's as different as you think, but it's not that you didn't call out their work ethic. Well, the difference is that three of the biggest people in the company had their backs and instead it's opposite for me. That's the difference.

Had whose backs? Dave and Kevin and Dan all had the Mean Girls' backs. I do think it's similar to, like, I do think you were talking about work ethic and coming to the office and stuff like that. I don't think I was. Not until after. They didn't stop coming to the office until after.

At the time, I said, my main point of the thing was that they were putting out stupid clips on purpose for clicks, and it made everybody look stupid. And everybody jumped on that. And then, so now I deserve everything that comes out of this. i think it's in the same ballpark as like you're talking about other people's work and whether or not you whether you think you work hard or whether you like their content are in the same realm but i don't think i said work hard at all like i wasn't right you

didn't like but that's what i'm saying i don't i don't think that they're the same i think me being like i don't i think your content's stupid and makes me feel stupid and in general is different than you don't do any work you're lazy right i never called them lazy i think they both have an air of you don't deserve to work here right that's what it's in the very like the big bigger universe of like we are discussing other people's jobs and whether they deserve it or yeah deserve to work here or are as funny as they think they are or get the push that they're getting yeah it's it's like well regardless i get shit being like you know you condition you can't take it in what world am i not taking this right now i feel like it's i'm taking you're always there no you're always there it's crazy to go on the show to to hop on the mic

to write the blog whatever i think that is undeniable thank you for saying that yeah I'll be steaming about this for a while I won't lie yeah but I'll get over it but I think I honestly think like it but when we failed at radio I was like thank like not thank god but I was like I didn't I that wasn't for me oh no no you're right about that you said that before you're right I that show the version of the show that everybody's wanting whatever no way like i that's no i wouldn't have said yes if i thought it was that i so yes we failed in that i did not yeah just didn't even get it but okay i'd like to up it to 14 14 i've landed on 14 you're for you me i already agreed to 18 that's too high okay okay thank you when they came with their smash bowl, it's potatoes, bacon, cheese, and fries all in

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I do like that this is shot on security cameras. I like that this feels like John Wayne Gacy's basement. I respect that you fucking know that because I didn't know that until like a week ago. Yeah, they do look a little ominous. We've had people come in, like people with small podcasts, or not even small, but you know,

like their own Patreon. What's that? Yeah, I know. But like, and then we'll send them the clips and they'll be like, did you film this underwater? I don't know what you mean, man.

These look like good cameras to me. To me, it looks fine. They move and shit. I guess I should put, I don't know, an ounce of effort into learning what technology is. Did you choose these? Hell no. I didn't. Somebody back there pretending to know what they're doing chose these.

What do you guys use? This is avant-garde, man. I like it. That's what we're going with. We use regular old normal cameras, but the cameras is good it's good no i'm not our original studio um adam adam parry once described it as a uh living inside of a lit cigarette yeah oh wow so that we've upgraded from that yeah yeah no you called it white person trap house yeah that's good man yeah just trying to recreate the basement. I like it. Yeah, yeah. Just getting that hang vibe.

I feel like, man, I feel like I thought you were younger than you were. Oh. For some reason, like when Cody Coe and Noel I thought of as like, I guess because we were blogging and then like you guys were like YouTube and that was like new age back then. But it's even getting to the point now where like you're going to be the old man on the internet soon, you know? Yeah. People already call me that. If not, yeah. People already call me OG. Yeah.

They call me OG. Yeah. And now people say stuff like, I remember watching Noel on That's Cringe. Yeah. But are you getting the, like, you're okay boomer type shit? No, no, no no no no i think what's been great is like as i've gotten more like once i've like gotten back into stand-up and just have been doing it um you know a lot of our audience has aged up but now like they want to go out and they want to

drink and um sometimes they i don't know they just want to hear crazier edgier commentary or funnier jokes and so they come out to the shows um i'm finding that you know it's just a good time is that it was that like a um like a conscious effort like when you were are you is it like separation of church and state sort of you have like your internet content and your stand-up content uh not really i never thought of it that way i just i did stand up before everything and I knew I always wanted to get back to it. So, yeah, it was more like it just felt like the right time. Right.

And, you know, making stuff on YouTube is cool, but I think I was always doing stuff that was just trying to get back to stand-up. Like commentary is kind of that. I would Twitch stream a ton. And my Twitch streams were like these like psycho open mics basically i would just go live and with a handheld mic and i just like pace in a circle for two hours and just like say wild stuff just solo yeah yeah yeah wow that is some psycho yeah streaming is interesting to me like you know doing a youtube show doing sketch comedy like internet stuff you know traditional like a YouTube show, doing sketch comedy, like, internet stuff, you know, traditional, like, formats. But the world of streaming where it really is, like, you get the right people in a room or even just go solo and do wacky shit, do interesting shit, do funny conversation.

You can literally just, like, fucking press record or press stream and live. Yeah, it's a grind man i bet yeah i had to get out of that but how long did you do that for i did it all through covid or whatever people want to call it now and um yeah yeah you know once daddy biden let us travel again no i'm kidding um yeah once we could travel i you know that's when i just started booking clubs and uh it became really hard for me once I started doing stand-up to really fall back in love with like super internet. I can imagine that.

Do you think that's because of the, I guess it's not the immediate reaction because you get immediate reaction on the internet as well. Yeah, you do. But the immediate like hearing the laughter and stuff like that? No, I think what it is is like, I think sometimes when you put stuff on the internet, most of the time, I't know the commentary it's always always very polarized it's either like this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard and this person should kill himself

or it's like dude you are the funniest person ever and i think comedy ends with you yes like both either of those neither of those are helpful yeah i think what i like about stand-up is you know if something like sucks or it doesn't. That's a good point. That's a very good point. Yeah. And so, like, I really enjoy when, like, strangers walk into the show who don't have any clue about who I am. Because I'm like, great, I'm just going to say what I think.

And we'll see if it actually, like, you know. They walk out like you. Yeah, ignite something. So. I mean, if. And I guess I just think, think like this is such a cliche but and you know i don't want to talk too much about the science of stand-up but i think that is ultimately what's fun about it is that's just the risk you know you're gonna say something and if it

eats shit sometimes that's really funny if you say something people are like what you go there's a little bit less yeah yeah that feeling i i i almost yeah i do like a moment bit less of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That feeling, I almost, yeah, I do like a moment when a, I hate when a comic blames the audience being like, but when a comic's like, okay, you guys aren't ready for that. I respect it. All right, I'm a weirdo, I get it. You can get yourself in some predicaments on a stage for sure, saying shit, but far less i feel like with

you know the exception of fucking kramer and crazy shit you know if you really fuck up you're still going down yeah but you tell a joke that's too far or badly received for the most part you probably have a couple hundred or a few thousand people go like oh that was weird whereas you know the internet it's like they're coming for your life and your family and your job and all that shit it's it's a little more yeah it's a little more respect on when you're on stage the internet's just a grimy place man i think people are just super polarized now so like yeah kind of you know they're kind of like waiting all people do now online is argue like so i think they're like hype i think when you're in person too you can your relationship can change with like your audience with your like you can like win them over you can lose them you get back i with the internet i think that goes like almost

like erosion horses out of the bar it takes forever to have the flip or it takes whereas like in live like you know we we don't do standup. We've done jokes and like, I mean, we've done a lot of podcasts and like in five minutes, I've been like, fuck this.

Yeah. And then 10 minutes later, like, all right, that was pretty good. Fine. Yeah. I mean,

if you think about people who get, who do something wrong on the internet, lose their audience, lose their job or whatever, it takes them like a decade to come back.

And it's like, after, you know, 10 years away, we like returned and it's like, God damn, it took 10 years for whatever reason and in yeah in the club one good joke and like okay we're cool with you yeah yeah the internet's just uh i mean we we i don't think we realize how much we like live through the very very very very very beginning of the internet yeah the very first

iteration of it especially you guys because you guys were even ahead of of the curve at the time where it's like you know people like you kind of determined how the internet was used you know i mean like oh man i hesitate to say that but that's uh that's crazy you don't think so i mean i feel like you guys were early trendsetters and trailblazers of how to use youtube and yeah i think you know and i think i definitely think that as a fan and i appreciate that i think there's definitely different pockets of time with youtube i think um i think that when we came out i think the commentary format video essay whatever you want to call it, was, or at least like reacting to stuff, that was pretty, you know, at that point it was kind of a well-established format.

And I actually think people always compared us to another duo called Jake and Amir. And so, I don't know, now I view the internet like the Matrix where every three years it renews. Yeah, so whenever I see like some ethnically vague dude Now I view the internet like the matrix where every three years it renews. Yeah. Yeah. So whenever I see like some ethnically vague and a dude and like a white guy and they're like reacting to something, it could be like, it could be like an ethnically vague lesbian and a white lesbian. It's like, yeah, we all.

Ethnically vague is a great description. Then we all end up back in the room with the architect. And he like taps his finger and we're all on the screen. Yeah, that's fucking great. Just plug in the back of the head and go. That's funny. But yeah, I actually think this would be funny too is as I've gotten older, now I get all the ethnically ambiguous comedians or like aspiring comics.

Yeah, they'll message me and they'll be like, man, it's so sick to see someone that looks like me. It's like, what are you? I mean, you could get anything. You could get Puerto Rican, Indian, black, white, whatever. I take it all, man. If I were you, I would never say what I am. I would just be like, I don't know, man.

It's like in Veep, you never know what party Selena Meyers is a part of. I don't know it's like like in veep when they the feet that you never know what party selena meyer's a part of like i don't know man i'm all i'm not saying where i'm from especially on these security cameras uh so back on tour back on the road that that has to be i was gonna say that has to be a hard part of it but maybe you like it i don't know i feel like if you got used to covid internet life sitting at home in front of the screen and next thing you know you're flying to like omaha nebraska dude all sorts of crazy shit it's not the easiest transition i'm pretty like a pretty restless person so once i started touring again

you know i so the first year out the first day I went pan yeah I went pretty hard that year um I think I I think I did like yeah I did I don't know I think I was flying out of LA every weekend and I was doing you know when did you start you know stand up geez man uh so the like before the internet I was gonna stand up all the way in, like, 2013, 2014. So you were, like, what, early 20s? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was in my early 20s, yeah. Yeah, I got a lot of, like, random stories and random run-ins with people from that period.

What's your craziest one? Crazy? I don't have any crazy ones. What sticks out? There was a – I always, always like kind of appreciated this that like neil brennan was always like really conversational so i had seen him do a set at i think the laugh factory and then i had popped over to the comedy store and i was like standing against the wall and he was standing next to me and he just like he said what's up and i was like i was just at

the laugh factory and i commented on some joke and then then he just started talking to me about the joke, and then he went on stage, and I thought that was dope because I was extremely new to comedy, so that always kind of stuck out to me. And then I think outside of that, there was, I don't know, I used to go to this mic a lot with Trevor Wallace and those guys chatting. Yeah, I feel guys there's almost like

uh it's like a draft class in the NBA sort of yeah in a way like there's guys that are either a certain age or certain style or whatever it is where you kind of get associated with them yeah definitely I feel like that crew is a good one you got a lot of success yeah do you think there's a lot like I think it's Drake has a line where he's like talking about rappers and athletes how they want to be each other do you think that with like internet people and non-internet people in the comics we're like i feel like i feel like there's a bit of a switch right now where internet comics or internet whatever you want to say have been going doing a lot more live and it's been years in the making but right now it's kind of hitting a pinnacle and i feel like a lot of totally what you would consider club comics are doing the podcast and the youtube and stuff like that i think it's like always like a grass

is greener kind of deal i think that's part of it i also think um actually a comic i know niles abstin he was like talking about this the other day he was saying that outside of podcasting he was pointing out that there's not a lot of avenues for comics to really like get paid anymore like there aren't like a ton of tv jobs to write for that was his opinion right i like that's something i actually agree with a lot i think i think a lot of comics are realizing that they could have been monetizing via the internet yeah oh yeah and i i think there was like a a little bit of a high and mighty like i'm a stage comic and i don't do 100 i don't i don't do youtube 100 twitter or whatever and then

oh that was dude that was my like when i started doing stand-up again every sound guy every waiter that was the you know it was nice but sometimes then being like welcome back to like the real game no no no it was like sometimes like a lot of backhanded compliments yeah you know there's a lot of uh ah you know the internet people come through here and they like shit on them and then they go but you're good you know yeah yeah that's okay that i listen i can understand there are there's hacks in every in every industry and on the internet yeah a lot more yeah let me yeah let me caveat that i understand their position 100 but there are people who are good and just uh to be blunt like have a brain and

understand like the world is gonna be on the internet yeah and also even the hacks it's like cool man like that bought me a mansion yeah you know what i mean so whatever i think there was a little bit of that where it's like i i don't do the internet and then once people realize a how much money you can make and b like you can still be regarded as a comic yeah it's just that i use the internet it's kind of crazy to knock people for using the internet yeah i think the the i guess i don't want to yeah like high and mighty or or i guess the kind of hard line of the stages here and the internet's there. I think a lot of that came, or I would guess a lot of that came from, because there was this wave where a lot of, I think, people from Vine and, you know, other parts of the internet were just getting like jammed into clubs. Yeah, that I, I could understand if I was like losing stage time or just seeing people's what it was i think headlining over me and it's like yeah the fuck that i get yeah i think comics who are

objectively you know undeniably very good at their craft and like they've been doing it 10 years and if they get bumped for someone who doesn't really give a shit about being on stage and get up there and they're kind of saying stuff that you know and you got perfectly talented people just sitting there going what the fuck yeah i earned that i did the open mics i did yeah but i i also think you know there's it's like if you i i think going up on stage with the risk of bombing is probably 99 of like the world's like biggest fear yeah is going up in public and looking stupid yeah but on the other side like if you if you bomb per se on the internet and the whole world is coming down on you it ain't fun over here either yeah they both have their uh yeah their

differences but it's crazy there's honor in all of it it's like it's crazy to do any of it you know it's funny too because now you know i think that we frame a lot of the internet is like oh if you make a bad joke but now man dude tiktok is ruthless you know because everyone's young and they're gonna they're gonna say something stupid but dude if if you are 20 something and you step like even this much out of line oh my god man they come down on you yeah i think it's really funny when there's a couple people i see on tiktok where if someone gets just flamed real bad i do always appreciate the honesty from people going man i would have i would have changed my name after this and the fact that this person still posts oh yeah i know big big up yeah yeah yeah i think you can you can

uh we were just talking about uh do you know pookie yeah yeah yeah like i think they're coming around that people are starting to be like, this is actually them. Pookie's coming back. I think he kind of drives the vibe of that couple. I feel like people were like, this guy is so whatever. And now they're like, he just calls her pookie and they live this life. And it's just like what they do.

There's something that you can earn. You know, it's annoying that you even have to like earn it because it's like, who the fuck are you at home on the Internet? But when you just continue to be genuine, continue to do the thing, it's like, you know, everyone's giving you bad feedback or whatever. And you're just like, I still like to do it. Yeah, sometimes I think people are so ready to get fired up, but then it just takes a few more posts, and then they go. Oh, never mind. Then they chill out, and they're like, oh, this is actually you. Yeah.

Yeah. I think as long as people get the vibe that you're not fake doing it for just the money in the cloud. We got a guy here who we found him. He was blogging in 2001 when I was like, I didn't even know blogs existed. Yeah. And he did it until 20. When did Frank come on? 2016?

I would say later than that officially. Yeah. Probably closer to 2020. Probably closer to 2020. He went viral. Frank the Tank. He went viral on local news about New new jersey transit and we hired him as like a part-time guy and now he's like one of the biggest stars on the internet cameo making money

on cameo like hand over fist and all this shit but he was blogging he called it the sports e-cyclopedia and he just blogged about random sports shit yeah and he had a video on on youtube where he said if the men don't make the the national men's soccer team does not make the World Cup, I'll eat this piece of paper. And he went on YouTube. Hold up. Are we talking about Frank the Tank, I will drink 88 eggs right now, Frank the Tank?

No. No, who's that? Oh, wait. I don't want to misconstrue this. Maybe we just cut this part. Who wants to drink 88 eggs? There's that dude on YouTube where his whole thing. Shoe nice?

No, not shoe nice. Because when you say eat the paper, you're making me think of this guy. Eat 88 eggs. Yeah, I mean, if you just YouTube guy drinks 100 eggs or something, I guarantee he's the only result. I would think that. I guarantee he's the only result. I would think that. I guarantee he's the only result. How many eggs do you think you could eat in a day?

Me? Yeah. We were talking about this the other day. I guess there was like a viral thing where it was like, ask a guy if he could eat. There's a Reddit sub-thread, sub-Reddit,

natural bodybuilding, and the topic is, what's stopping me from eating 48 eggs a day? Eggs are cheap, and I don't have a lot of money, so why wouldn't I do it? Sorry, you go. Do you think you could eat your age in eggs a day? Not a day, but like in one day. That's a lot of fucking eggs. Well, I'm only only 16 so it's like

carton in a quarter i i think i'm i'm 35 i do not think i would have that much 35 eggs okay now you also got to decide i think eating if you scramble up 35 eggs that's gonna be like a pile of egg yeah but i think that for whatever reason and i don't know maybe scientifically it's all the same but that feels a lot easier than eating like 35 hard-boiled eggs like yeah eat a whole egg but it might not be it's probably the same amount of fluffiness i i would definitely scramble all yeah you don't think you could just hit a just a run or a row for an hour and you wouldn't fire up the appetite you don't think oh no i'm saying i could you could do that like right now yeah actually we've talked about enough now yeah yeah yeah there has to be a next episode you catch a you

catch a deviled eggs like platter at a party you'll fucking hammer i mean i eat every night every morning every night every morning we're at the airport we're at the airport catching a morning flight and we're walking to the gate and he reaches in, pulls out a bag of hard-boiled eggs, and peels the plastic. Is it the one from Starbucks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were from the Hudson News or whatever. It's a bag of eggs. What are you doing?

I have so much respect for you that you will eat those. I've always said every airport should have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches wrapped up They don't go bad And everybody likes those Eggs? In a bag? Eggs is crazy That's the one thing that I'm like, no

Eggs is crazy Crazy It's got the least shelf life in the world No Well, I guess it doesn't But it feels that way That's what you'd think You actually look at those bags of eggs

They've been there for months Yeah Yeah For real, they'll have a couple months. A couple months? For real? I got some eggs delivered recently, probably in December, and it was an early February expiration date.

That sounds right. But they're in a fridge and everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these are just in a cooler that's open, right? Yeah, yeah. We get the warm waters out. We are reaching back for the Evion like look at what on the back maybe it's a little cooler exactly those things never were that they had the plastic like car

wash flaps yeah yeah that doesn't do shit man yeah man i i man you're you're a hero to me anytime i see anyone eat those i just i just think their farts are gonna oh i just think they're gonna light up up the plane. He hops on the plane. Yeah. It's like you're going to just fucking carpet bomb this whole – Do you eat it before you sit or while you sit? I eat it before I'm in public, public. Like I'll eat it like walking through the airport.

So, yes, I'm technically in public. But if I'm sitting next to a stranger – I was going to say that's gloating. You sit next to someone on a plane and you're like, what's up, pal? That's great i even feel bad when i'm sitting next to a stranger because another thing i'll do in the airports a lot my snack will be beef jerky yeah and i feel bad he opened that next to a stranger on the plane because that's pungent yeah you open a bag of honestly i'm pretty i'm pretty like eat your food before you get on the plane. Yeah. Unless it's like dire and you're like running to a connecting and shit.

I get it. And even then, it better be like a quick slice of pizza, you know, something that's not. But these people who bring like meals or ethnic food, whatever, you know, whatever your ethnic family eats. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, that's actually what I do when I get on a plane. I bring a pot of what my mom grew up eating.

Bro, I came. A steel pot. I went to El Salvador. and i came i came from el salvador you call me el salvadorian what's that nice it would work nice try nice try but the they have a chicken place i forget what it's called and that's what it's honestly something very comfortable and bro every single person walked onto that plane With like They come in like Like Duncan Munchkin's boxes Yeah

Every single They all had it They all had it Everyone Cause it's so good Like my friend who lives there She was like We gotta stop

And get you some chicken first Yeah And everyone knows How good it is So like they're leaving And they're like I gotta get one more Yeah

Then I'm also on board with that Let's make this a party Yeah But if it's one person Eating eggs It's like come on It's funny how that party. Yeah. But if it's one person eating eggs, it's like, come on. It's funny how that works. If it's one, it's no. But it's everybody.

But it's everybody. If we all want to jerk off. Yeah. If everybody wants to masturbate, you can do it right now. But if one guy does it, you're going to jail. Yeah. If we all beat off on this plane, they can't take us all. I'm Spartacus.

I'm Spartacus. No one's getting arrested here, man. That's foul that's crazy yeah dude I think the man I just have to say I think the rudest thing

I've ever experienced was on like a jumper flight you know when it's like you're going over a lake for 30 minutes or something yeah

and we're talking one of those you have to balance the weight of the plane sort of thing yeah they make you like ditch clothes before you board so it doesn one of those, you have to balance the weight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They make you like ditch clothes before you, they blatantly have to tell the fat people like,

you got to go over here. You got to go. Yeah. That sucks. I would feel so bad for them. Yeah. They're like, you can't take your mom's gumbo.

I'm like, motherfucker. No, this dude walks on a plane like that with, uh, you know, it was like a Mongolian express, like a not,

you know, just some airport chinese food and yeah the dude i mean i don't know three different items just a reeking fucking box and yeah just threw the plane open fills the plane yeah and then i think like the air conditioning wasn't working for 30 minutes so it's just like and not not a not a single second did he think anything nah nah like i just i can't tell sorry let me let me contextualize that i think he should have had i think he knew what he was doing because it was hot in the airport you know the sun was beaming through

the windows he knows that plane's cooking yeah for him to go i'm doing i don't fucking care there is some honor in that i guess yeah i just i can't decide whether i'm jealous of those people or i'm happy to never be one but because there's something kind of intriguing and freeing about people who just have no regard for normal standards i'm jealous man that just just they just yeah they want i always like to think of things in terms of like the gta stars like okay yeah yeah how many stars are you in different categories right like there's crime but then i always think of like social love this idea yeah so to be on like five gta social stars i was never caring yes like just walking i just playing with stinky ass foods like everyone's like oh fuckink. Everyone's like, oh, fuck you. Doesn't matter, dude. Dude, I walked out. Don't fucking care.

I'm eating my eggs. I walked outside his office fairly recently and to be fair, I was a homeless person. So their sense of reality is a little distorted. Yeah.

But as you're coming, I'm sure you saw the scaffolding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she had, she had her two hands on the lowest bar

and she's just leaning back like this. No, tell me. Just pissing like this Just pissing Like I walked out There was possible to The Duane Reade has like an indent on the window So it was possible to lean towards the window and do it She leaned into the middle of the sidewalk Took a quick left and was just like

Walked straight New York baby New York man You were New York, man. You were diving on your stomach with two hands? I went Barry Keoghan in Salt Burn. I was just like... Oh, wow. Wow.

What a visual. This is coming from the guy who dry heaves. Yeah, for real. For real. I can't believe you didn't whip out the phone, man. Yeah. In old school internet days, that's like, I got to get this for the blog. Yeah.

I got to film this old woman pissing on the street. Yeah, that is crazy. People don't even film homeless people pee anymore. Yeah. It's not cool. It's almost, yeah. Yeah, I kind of like it. Because for real, like when we were, if anything happened in my life from 2010 to 2000, you

know, I don't know, 18, it was like, dude, I got to get this, you know? It's good it probably stopped. For sure. I remember the tips email like back in the day with barcelona people just sending pictures of like random people on the train we used to just look at fucking hitler's in boston yeah hitler it's a guy with to be fair i remember that blog that guy hey he looked like hitler that guy was walking around with a hitler mustache you deserve to get put on blast but like perfectly normal people who

just yeah kind of look a little ugly or fat or look like something and we would just put that fucking picture up and be like ha ha ha wow yeah i know right how far we're coming talking about homeless people pissing on the street yeah dude not even on our government name though yeah um so are you what's the what's the word with your man Cody? You guys still doing things together? Yeah, we record every week. I feel like people are starting to think that there's something happening. Yeah, he had a kid.

Yeah. I was going to say you guys are like starting to have real lives, right? Yeah. He has a kid and – so that's what he's been – Is that something when you guys started where you were like – kind of like we were talking about where, like, the internet is almost you kind of crisscross with reality? Like, when you started, were you like, in a perfect world,

I'd be a comedian and I'd be a DJ, but we'll do this now? Or it was like, we want to do this, and then kind of life just took you that way? Yeah, no. Well, I can't speak on if Cody always wanted to be a dj i know it's something he always dabbled in um but i can say for me i did definitely want to get back to stand up at some point so i definitely had that goal in mind um why'd you was was it why'd you stop that so money and success was like i can't leave this it's too good right now yeah no it was just kind of a thing where when i so when i started doing stand-up uh i did stand up all the way up until cody and i

started working together and i was still doing it and i actually um brought cody into it like i would kind of take him to mike's and sure uh he'd do a few shows then we actually used to do uh shows together yeah a monthly show at the improv that we would do and then you went on the road doing like the live podcast no and then we went i feel like i saw crowds that were like rocking for yeah yeah so then we we did a year in a like year and a quarter we were touring very actively um and so it kind of started as a live podcast and then it turned into like a variety show but then um my pocket of the show was you know we basically did sets was that tiny me gang was the yeah original as the show and then it became no no no so

actually we so we should work together as software engineers or like writing code and then Cody was you know we were both making vines within vine was crashing and Cody knew of me through vine. And I knew of him through vine. And it was like kind of a funny thing. Cause, um, so I was like relatively late to vine. I think I only peaked at like a hundred thousand followers. And I remember one day a person messaged me and they go, dude, Cody co follows you. I'm like, who's Cody co. And I'm like, oh, this dude's got like 6 million followers. This is crazy.

And then a month later, I'm sitting at my job, and in walks Cody, and he sits on the other side of me. And we had like DM'd briefly before that. And so you guys were both just, you had a day job. Yeah, we both had day jobs. And fuck around on Vine and shit for fun. So then when Vine started, like everyone knew it was going away everyone was starting to pivot to youtube so i started filming sketch and i you know so the sketch was

like me cody and a buddy of ours named gian and then cody would fuck around with vlogs i'd help him make those um and then i kind of showed him the reaction format and then he that's great he came across this video of like you know the blowjob robot and he's like oh let's give this like why don't we react to this so then that kind of started the whole like that's cringe series and then i got laid off from the engineering job the best um and then cody goes well uh he was like why don't we just try to figure out how to make content work? And at that time, we were flirting with the idea of doing the TMG podcast. But we didn't really have a name for it. And what's funny is the first time Tiny Meat Gangs mentioned

is I make a joke about like a baby in a sonogram. And I was like, yeah, Megan, you love this one. She hates when I bring this up but i was joking about a baby holding its meat and then they they like swiped the sonogram over and then i just say tiny meat gang and so then cody makes the video like you know digging on jake paul and then he's like oh let's make a song and i help him make the song and then we need a name for the artist i go oh why don't we just go with tiny me game so then i get laid off and then cody says why don't we just try to figure out how to make content work and then i say oh you know maybe we start a podcast and at that time he's just doing insanely chill and then then we you know we figure out how to do this podcast. He was like, what do you call a podcast? I'm like, Tiny Me Gang podcast.

So then, yeah, so then that's how the kind of, you know, the snowball just like went. And so in that time, I think I didn't feel like I could focus on stand-up because I was just too focused on how do I replace my income. Sure. Because. I mean, that's first and foremost. Yeah, it wasn't like, yeah, you know, I had lost. So were you doing spots and shit while you were you doing like software coding content and comedy mm-hmm yeah yeah and so and I didn't go to school

for writing code so I was like self-taught and I just kind of crawled my way up in that world and that's why I got laid off bro yeah that's the never happened yeah well no I mean they they ended up laying off everybody and they sold the company so shout out full screen were you uh i i do think sometimes those like if that if that didn't happen i think that's the best thing that can happen like if it didn't happen would you have just kept the course uh or you would have like eventually yeah quit and broken out i don't think i don't think i would have kept the course because what cody and i were doing was just it was working yeah it was working so i think inevitably we would have landed on where we landed um to be honest i was i was like kind of thankful

in a way because i kind of felt like it was something that gave me the push yeah let's go after there's no safety net now it's like no excuses no fallback but yeah but i couldn't feel like i could focus on stand-up because i was kind of in a similar position because when i had started writing code it was like a similar thing i was like living in a you know a small apartment with my dad i mean he like lived in the living room and it was like a kind of a dire situation and so i like taught myself to write code to like get out of that sure. And so by coming on the end of that and then having this kind of opportunity come up, my mind was kind of in that mode where I go, okay, fuck, I got to do it again.

I mean, dick jokes is a lot easier than code. Yeah, yeah. To be honest, I miss code sometimes. Do you? Yeah, I do. I started as an accountant, and I hate the accounting, but I do miss the normalcy of a regular job. Oh, sure, yeah.

I don't miss that. When shit gets crazy here, I always think I could just be in front of a computer pretending to work, not really working. I'm a pretty restless person. You like to create. Yeah. Writing code is creative. It's fun.

But, yeah, so then, you know, fast fast forward the tmg stuff it just took off so then we had that whole year where we toured and um that kind of like put this you know battery in my back to go back to stand-up so i actually started doing stand-up right before covid happened again and then yeah it happened so that sucks that's what led me to twitch and so i think yeah everything has just been to answer your question i think it's always been on my mind to get back to here vine is a fun one i feel like uh if i was a viner i would wear that like a badge of honor you would so yeah well i i think it's it was such a like maybe maybe maybe i that is like looking back on it but i feel like it was so quick and so only like a certain group of people got in on it and a group of people blew up on it

and it's like only you guys have that you know i love vine i was never a character on it but i loved like utilizing it six seconds like there was a lot of cool shit about that i always actually thought it was weird that it, that it got, that it ended. I thought it was ahead of its time. Yeah. Cause they, they're starting to do all the things that,

uh, musically was right. Right. Yeah. They were, they just were a little too late. Yeah. Um,

but so I would be like, yeah, I was, it is really crazy, man. Yeah. I, I did a vine where I just said a yo it's your boy

or i said a is your boy skinny penis it's all takes right but to this day to this there till this day it i get so many people like i posted some crowd work clip over the weekend and uh there's like comments there they are like, wait, is this skinny penis? What is your most memorable vine? Not one you made, vine as a whole. Oh, shoot. Dude, I always remember the chick with the eraser, how you can't erase your heart.

Oh, God bless her, man. Dude, it's crazy. He's like, erasers are, you know, don't work on your heart. Something, something. Yeah, it's like a Disney quote. Yeah. So do you think of Vine as cringy? Because when I said I would wear it, you were like, oh, word? No, no, I remember it in a positive way.

Yeah. I just think people, others don't remember it positively. Yeah, yeah. Well, there was, yeah, I mean, there's haters. There's people, you got it? Yeah. Let me see this shit. Let me see if you can play on that. I think everything, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, there's haters. There's people. You got it? Yeah. Let me see this shit. You can play on that.

I think everything, like. Oh, yes. Because who you are and who you were born wanting to love isn't a mistake. The play. Now I remember that. Yeah. I think. The goat.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think when you do something, you're always more self-critical. People think it's cool that we have a podcast. Or we blogged. Now I think it's cool that we blogged. Now I think it's cool that we have a podcast. But when it was starting, I was like, I'm such a loser.

We always said that during blogging, the hardest part of blogging was explaining your job without saying what you do. I write for a sports media company. I don't want to say this is what I do. But then sometimes, it's like anything else. You get nostalgic about it. It recently becomes a little old school.

That's what's weird to me is when I was saying being early on the internet, you don't feel like you're going to get old, but you do. You get old and it's like, hey, remember that thing? And half the internet goes, no, I don't know what you're talking to get old, but you do. You get old, and it's like, hey, remember that thing? And half the internet goes, no, I don't know what you're talking about. You know what I mean? Sports, fucking everything.

It's kind of awesome, though, because I think that's a way you can explore new stuff. Yeah. I think you kind of get to almost like a Robert Frost forkk in the Road where you're either going to be an old head like all the NBA guys who hate on it or you can be like, that's a little interesting. We used to do it differently. Here's how it used to be with us.

I'm not a basketball guy, but I think the thing people seem to like about inside the halftime field is called TIG. The guys tend to not hate, I think. Again, I'm looking at it from a... about like inside to ever the half-time field is called TIG is like the guys tend to not hate I think again I'm looking at it from a no yeah they're I mean but they're they're good like they're from the old guards they have all the info and know about it yeah stories but they're also like you know I

saw people saying the like give it you know 20 years and people are gonna be saying Luka Doncic scored 73 on a bunch of plumbers. Yeah, these guys aren't real. Like every fucking time. It's just how it goes, guys. It's just that we've, again, the internet is new. The way sports coverage is, it's all very new. So we haven't had many generations yet.

And once you get a few of those under your belt, you're going to realize it's the same cycle always and forever. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's also been the interesting part is as i've seen like tiktok grow it went through all the same phases of youtube where it's like all right you got the prank people yeah you know you know it's all the same categories and it just kind of you know in a different way but yeah uh yeah it is it's it's the It's funny Because we were talking about it the other day With just like How the world

And life Doesn't really change You get new characters placed in Kind of like you were talking about With like The Matrix The white guy in the Yeah

But like We were talking about it with football this weekend Where I was like I've watched that Chiefs game I watched it for 20 years with the Patriots It's the same fucking game It's the same team It's the same guy at quarterback

It's the same guy at tight end Yeah And we were talking about the Lions We were like I's the same team. It's the same guy quarterback. It's the same guy tight end. And we would talk about the Lions. I've watched that team before. You know what it is? It's like being an old man when there's like a blizzard's coming and you're like, and everyone's fucking getting ready and buying milk and bread and you're like, they've had this report forever the whole time.

It's gonna be fine. Yeah. Global warming's not real. I can't wait to be that guy. Old man on the porch just being like, it to be fine. Yeah, global warming is not real. I can't wait to be that guy. Just kidding. Old man on the porch just being like, it'll be fine. We've done this story a hundred times before. That's why all the stuff I'm working on now, I'm trying to do the most absurd. Yeah, I'm really trying to.

It's hard to like, because when I think of shit as like, I have to remind myself that there's a new wave of of internet users that haven't seen or heard that joke or you know some like we do answer the internet where a lot of classic questions but it's new to them you know and to remind myself that like you should still do some of that stuff for the new people yeah yeah but you gotta come up with new shit because people have been with you from the beginning yeah i've seen it all yeah but you can't be you don't want it to be manufactured, so it's a very fine line. What are you trying to get crazy with?

My latest project is I've turned a talk show desk into a race car. You are? Yeah, so I call it Hot Laughs. I just did the first episode. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You took a talk show desk. Yeah. So it's like, it's a legitimate, at this point, I've put a lot of money into it, and it's a legitimate race car.

I think I could race a certain category of car with this desk. How fast? Yeah. Can I see? Did you build it out, or it's still like a smaller? No, no, no. It's a full-blown fucking. Yeah, no, it's the real deal.

How much money are we talking in this car? A lot. Let me see if I can, as I'm talking, dig up like a super recent. Well, this will give you an idea of the chassis and stuff but um it looks a little bit different now jesus yeah it's you know it's got fully custom frame um live differential we figured out how we can make it drift get the fuck out yeah tokyo drift yeah in a desk office desk edition so yeah i'm uh planning the third episode. You were always handy with, like you could always build and shit? So I didn't build this one.

I wish I could, but I don't have the time. You could have, though? No, no. Some of this I would have needed a lot of help. Got it. Are you handy at all? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to work on cars in college and definitely.

You're a real man. You would call that a real man? I would. Oh, fuck yeah. I absolutely think that if you. You can use an Allen wrench. You're a real man. Oh, wow.

If you can do that shit, you have a leg up on little boys. We're still little boys over here. If something goes wrong with my car, I'm calling AAA. I'm calling you. I'm calling triple a i'm calling oh god i'm not fixing it so yeah if you can if you can do like carpentry if you can do mechanics if you can do electronics you were man i mean do you know the difference in steaks yeah yeah if you're a big meat guy you know all the different yeah cuts of meat and shit yeah that's something i'm like i'll just have a filet medium, please. Slightly, just because from just traveling, I've been to the Midwest so much.

I've ran into enough 50-year-old white guys that lecture me on cuts and slices. They do like to talk about it. Yeah. Dude, I was in Arkansas recently. And I like lamb, but when I order it, it's usually from a nice restaurant that's been prepared and all this stuff. And I was in the middle of the woods in Arkansas and some dude just threw a rack of lamb in front of me.

And I didn't know what parts to eat and what parts not to eat, but I didn't want to be rude, so I just ate all the parts. And afterwards, he's like, how are those tendons? And I was like, yeah, I had a feeling. I was like, no, they're just not stuff.

I always feel with those guys too, you can't even just compliment the food oh man this steak is really good and they'll be like it's cause of where I cut it they like to go into something about like still has the rack of arms on

alright man well I feel like you got a lot going dude yeah no I mean it's it's been a grass on that thanks dude it's good i i think it's so easy to flame out too or get get oh uh lazy and like redundant yeah hey i'll just do this youtube shit forever and probably could have and would have been fine but like you know yeah i'd rather try to make this stream that go back to this so it's it takes a certain type of uh drive to do that oh thanks bro yeah it's uh it's pretty admirable thanks man yeah it's been a crazy year i'll say i would imagine yeah now you got married

too right so like yeah in the mix yeah yeah this last three years feels like a blur because like i toured all year got married and then at the top of last year did a 70-day tour, got home in June, took a few months off, this desk finished. I'm like, great. Film that. I put on my special, and then I'm back on tour. So it all just feels like this week. When do you? Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know, man. Are you going to take a break at all? No, now i feel some ethically ethically baked kids if i even if i pop those out i'm gonna just keep going i just think that's how i'm wired i can't i just can't sit yeah i can't well man you're doing it right so we appreciate the time bro no i appreciate you guys this is great dude thank you very. So glad we could be here. When does John show up? What's up? John Wayne Gacy. When is his show?

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