KFC Radio - Your Brain Is Lying To You, KSI, and Justin Willman

Episode Date: December 10, 2019

KFC had one of the most stressful experiences of his life at his kid's school. John got a new tattoo. Put some respect on Cheers and Sam Malone's name. Lost and how the writer's strike ruined everything. Breaking the porn addiction. KSI stops by to talk about his boxing match with Logan Paul and his song with Rick Ross. Justin Willman chats about magic and comedy.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/kfcr

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KSI is cool because, and I felt a little bit bad. I felt a little betrayal because I do like Logan Paul. I got to know him a little bit. I feel like he's a little bit misunderstood. I was campaigning for Logan a lot. I asked KSI on this interview, do you actually hate him?

I felt like maybe I'm betraying here. And I think there's room to like both of them. But what I really took away from KSI is Logan Paul is a showman and he's an electric magnetic lightning rod. All those words. KSI

is just like a normal dude. Which gives me hope that you don't have to be this in your face over the top, trolling, try hard look. And not to say that everybody else is those things, but you don't have to be this like in your face over the top trolling try hard look and not not to say everybody else is those things but you don't have to be like look at me look at me look at me he's just like people seem to like him because he's a cool guy yeah like he must have done you know we asked him where you got to start and i'm sure there was something that was more gripping because by his account he's like i don't know man i just like i talked about

i made videos about stuff i liked stuff because i was playing and then i got 20 million subscribers like that's not how it works it's not fucking how it works so we know, man. I just like, I talked about, I made videos about stuff I liked. Stuff I was playing. And then I got 20 million subscribers. Like, that's not how it works. It's not fucking how it works. And we sit here and we're just like, yeah, man, I don't know. What's up? We don't have 20 million subscribers. 20 million is bad news. We're over 130 for ATI.

And I'm like, wow. Cooking. Imagine if there was millions, 20 of them, 20 millions. 20 millions is crazy. But, I mean, he seemed like even ATI, he was kind of just like giving real answers and pretty reserved. He's like, yeah, I just won this boxing match at the Staples Center and put out a song with Rick Ross.

Aren't you nervous? Aren't you scared? Aren't you fucking? So we talked KSISI and we also got who was the other one on there? Justin Willman my guy I was watching Magic for Humans did you see the clip of that

that went viral with Tom Hanks? no so you know this is where so Justin Willman does Magic for Humans fights went to his show this weekend and he's a magician slash comedian slash mentalist. But on this show, they just give you some of the tricks. So he went up to people and was like, think of a celebrity.

And he wrote down Tom Hanks, and it was fucking Tom Hanks. And there was like eight of them. And I was like, what is going on? And then in this video, you see the extended cut, and he's dropping all these subliminal hits about Tom Hanks. But I don't know if I buy it. He was like – he would say like saving, and then like the next sentence he worked private in, and then he would use the word Ryan instead of like I am. He was like Ryan over here.

You know what I mean? And they were like – and then the video is like saving private ryan and he said like wilson instead of like um you know whatever it was it was just dropping all of these references and like i think that there's just a bunch of people who are probably going to say tom hanks if you do that enough i don't think that subliminal shit really works. But maybe, I don't know. Dude, there's one. I will tell. I don't know how to do it. But he did, to open the show at Caroline's on Saturday, he has a box. He's got a box, like a big cardboard box out there.

And he says to someone in the crowd, he's like, point to someone. Point to someone you don't know. And they point to someone. And he says to that person, point to someone you don't know. And they point to someone. And she stands up and he's like, who was your first kiss? And she says, it was like a really weird name. It was like Jordan Noah.

I guess it's not that weird. But it was something like that, like Jordan Noah. And he reaches in the box, takes out a sheet of paper, and he goes, and it just says Jordan Noah on it. I mean, that's just impossible. And then he's like, all right. He's like, you know, I'm not like totally a magician or whatever it is. He's like, you know, I don't mind. I'll tell you tricks.

He goes, well, how do you guys, how do people think I did this trick? And someone's like yelling, yelling, yelling, yelling. And he's like, someone's like, I have a printer in here. And there's someone in the back room you think probably just typed it out and printed it. Yeah. And he picks up the box, and there's a printer sitting there. And he's like, see, I'm not crazy. Like, it's not impossible. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's up the box, and there's a printer sitting there. And he's like, see, I'm not crazy. Like, it's not impossible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he's going on and on. And he's like, but I'll tell you this. He's like, we can do something here if we all agree. There were those 12 seconds of New York wonder where you're like, how did he do that? And if we all agree, if we want to, we can just go back to that. We can go back to that, and we will do wonder for the rest of the night. Yeah. And everyone's like, woo! So we want to we can just go back to that we can go back to that and we will do wonder for the right yeah for the rest of the night yeah and everyone's like whoo so we want to do it like yeah

and he picks up the printer just crumples it up it wasn't a printer fucking i was like yo honestly and i i mean uh in this interview i i explained to him i talked about uh when i was at the baby shower and I saw the magician. I was ready to leave my entire career behind and be like, I need to learn how to do this. Because the blood, sweat, and tears, although we don't really work that hard here, but the amount that we try to evoke a reaction, one one millionth of that single joke trick is my my entire career's worth you know what i mean it was it was insane and it's the kind of shit that makes you like you're screaming i was like you know you're not just like oh wow like off clap you're like oh my god but i i it's actually

a great bit even it's a double great bit because he crumples it up but i was thinking like this day and age like magicians must have used to crush before the internet if you really want to like i i was googling uh how they do like the you throw the cards against the window and the cards behind it like there's just a magician's assistant who fucking sticks one on there when you're not looking and so that one's ruined but you can i'm sure google absolutely every single trick now youtube that shit and i think most people like i was just like i not going to do this anymore because of the fucking wonder. I was just like, I'm not going to ruin this entire thing. But you probably could figure out every single trick.

I saw one where it was like exposing Criss Angel. And he has a special where he's playing roulette. And he just gets like five of them right in a row. And he pulls up with guests. And the guests are going crazy because he's going to give them the money too. And, of course, it's like Hot Girls that he picks out. He's just like, every single group of Hot Girls that walk by, we did this, we played the games, we lost money,

it's in the production budget, and eventually we hit five in a row. It was like we played 500 times. It's like, oh. And we just showed you the time it worked. Maybe this subliminal shit worked, but I think if you go up to the right demographic of people and say, think of a celebrity, a lot of people are going to say Tom Hanks. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

And you just don't show the ones that don't say Tom Hanks. Right. Never mind. But either way, very interesting stuff from him and KSI. So very interesting show. He was so crazy. He had another one where he was just like, think of a name or whatever to a girl. And he's's kicking a balloon

around. The whole place is passing around a balloon. Already it's cool though. It's interactive. You're probably looking up and you're doing shit over there because you're looking at the balloon. It's all so clever. Then he catches it and he gives it to the girl who he called on stage.

He's like, do you feel a little weight in here? They shake it and they pop it and in the balloon written down that name ow truly magic like that i know the feeling i know that i and and and i actually really to bring a full circle understand your answer about wiping them off the face of the earth because when you if you're a dumb person you're just like i don't know it was funny whatever if you have a shred of curiosity and intelligence i'm like no like come on how how how how i'm not gonna leave you alone like i'm not gonna walk out of there until just tell me how how how how i mean it's impossible it's physically and literally impossible how do they do it i'm i'm a dumb person so i'm like that was fucking awesome i'll tell

people about it i don't even know how you did it. It was cool. Yeah, I mean, I feel like a lot of your answers, like you don't want to know when you die or how you die. You don't want to know. You don't ever want to look behind the curtain. I want to live behind the curtain. Because that's when you can make shit happen, man.

It's when you know how to fucking... It's not how you manipulate people, dude. All right, so we got that. We'll get into our voicemails. First, out of all the shit that I've done, I had maybe the most nerve-wracking experience of my life this morning, brought to you by New Amsterdam Vodka. New Amsterdam, this Christmas, you're going to be at your Christmas party.

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We had quite different weekends, as sometimes tends to happen in recent years. We kind of, the gap is closed a little bit. I mean, we've been on stage we've been on theaters a theater we've done clubs uh we're on radio in front of hundreds of thousands of people camera all the time i had to read a book to six four-year-olds today and i was fucking terrified dude i was reading 10 apples up on top by dr seuss it was shay's birthday shay's birthday is later this week they let uh you have a cookie party and

they just serve trash cookies by the way it's got to be gluten-free and organic this and that it's like eating cardboard uh and so i roll in and shay's got like a tissue paper mache hat on her head and uh there's a rocking chair set up for me and they're sitting in a circle and Shay's got like a tissue paper, mache hat on her head. And there's a rocking chair set up for me and they're sitting in a circle and I've got to read this fucking book. And it's a book I've read 18 million times to Shay. But I'm like me, like me and Shay have like a thing, you know,

like I, I pause and she finishes that word and like I've got a cadence and a speed and I'm kind of singing it and shit. And then I was like, I don't know these fucking people i don't know these fucking kids they don't i don't know how they don't know how i do i don't know what's gonna go on like shay was like yelling out some of the words like they weren't and i was like fuck man i don't know what to fucking do here dude and reading dr seuss freaking out in front of a bunch of four-year-olds man this guy's drooling this guy's got a snotty no fuck these people are scaring me

never have i been more like i like my kids and i don't like other people's kids yeah i'm not a kid's person i'm a my kid's person i was like i mean it was probably three minutes to get through the book and i was like all right it's done it's fucking done all right we're done here mission accomplished we're fucking done i uh i i get the no kids thing because I've started The Mandalorian, and that's how I feel about. I saw you. You're now Baby Yoda's father. I think I really genuinely felt that way, but I was like, I get this.

Now you're ready for fatherhood because of Baby Yoda. Well, let's not go too far. If someone can have a 50-year-old alien, I will have that baby. But it was like, I was like, it's cute. It's fine. It's whatever. All the pictures of it i saw it live and i was like yeah i'll fucking kill anyone who says anything bad about yo i will protect you with my heart and soul can you imagine being a part of star wars or walt disney merchandising and you just didn't have that for the holiday season

because john favreau is just like fuck you what do you mean he he kept baby yoda such a secret there's no baby yoda it's like available like you can't buy a baby yoda stuffed animal they didn't know it existed until mandalorian came out like uh either whether it's disney or star wars or whoever they did they found out the same time me and fucking you did he wanted baby yoda to be such a reveal that nobody knew about it. So this holiday season, the Mandalorian is cooking and they're like, maybe they can scramble. Yeah, they gotta be. They should start making some Baby Yoda.

Because I was talking to Bob Fox about it. He was like, there's none. This was like week one though. It's like, there's none on the market. It was over a month ago. I was like, swoop in there and wait, you're going to get to see Indeed, but sell the first round of them. Let's fucking go. But the fact, you know, you you're probably right they can mobilize so quickly but i've definitely seen they have funko's of it but the fact i think that yeah yeah i think that

was like the first thing the fact that they don't have you know they weren't ready to roll out with pajamas and bed sets and like everything they were probably like fuck man that's funny because that is like we get in trouble with that sometimes with like when we used to have marketers who worked in the real world and came here and they, you got to tell us when you're doing things. Like, we don't plan things. So we can't tell you. I didn't know I was going to say that until it fucking came out. So like, but that like.

You knew. I planned it. I knew. I knew. That's where you got to like have one person that you trust in every department. Like I can tell this one person so they can start working on it. But then you just start working on it. Yeah, you got to tell your workers and before you know and like then there's someone who can make a buck

off of selling you know do you want to know what the new hot shit is like fucking they made yoden do a little cute baby like it's just too much guess what if he's right though like if he told anybody especially in marketing done it's gone it's gone because and especially not only like behind the scenes but like on purpose they're're going to be like, well, we need to tweet this out. We need to start hinting at a baby Yoda. Like, no, no, no, you ruin it. But also, he's probably just like, you make your money next year. Like, fuck off.

You're going to make $1.2 billion instead of $1.1 billion or some shit. Like, fuck. Suck a dick. Suck a dick. So that's my experience. I believe I saw you on a tattoo chair. Yeah. On the table.

Table. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. Well, Saturday, things got out of hand. Yeah. I knew your family was in town. This was the magic night, right? Yeah.

This was the magic night. I came in just for Saturday. We went shopping all day Saturday. Tore down Soho. And then went to dinner where my mother got cake. Such a move. That's why I saw it. Iore down Soho. And then went to dinner where my mother got cake. Such a move. That's why I saw it.

I was watching his Instagram. Everybody else is getting like full ass meals and Polly just gets a chocolate cake. She's like, I want a cake. What a woman.

I swear to God, we're just in different time periods. I would have married that woman. If I was her age, I would have married her. I was trying to get you to meet her. You had a busy Saturday night. I still have not met fucking Polly.

But the – yeah, so we went out, and it was funny because it ended up being like – it was me, my whole family, my sister – not my whole family. My mom, my sister, my brother, my cousin, his girlfriend, and me. And that's six dwindled to four. My mom and my sister ended up going home at like 11.30, something like that. Midnight, maybe. You made it pretty far. And then me, my cousin, his girlfriend, and my brother went out until like 1.30.

And then they were like, we're going to turn in. And me and my brother were like, all right, you want to start drinking now? So we started drinking. And next morning I wake up and call for my brother. And he was like, oh, no, I called my mother, actually. She woke me up at like 1130, and I was like, hello. She's like, so, I heard you got a tattoo last night. I was like, that explains the trash taped to my wrist.

So it was that. You were like, you barely remembered it. It was, yeah. When she said that, did you remember what you got? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I knew what I got. It was something I was getting. So we're doing a reveal here, a little Barst reveal barcelona.com kfc this is a

big moment i mean i saw the arm down i saw the crm and i was like oh and boy someone else died what's going on here the uh i got surprised not baby yoda it's lying it says it's lying and with a smiley face on it and it is hold it up there so you can zoom in on the uh it was someone told me probably like six months ago um your brain is lying to you you are uh you are loved and you're going to be okay and so when your brain is constantly telling you opposite yeah like every shower every morning shower consists of me being like soap, shampoo rarely and being like, no, that's not true. That's a lie.

That's a lie. That's a lie. And so now it's my handwriting. It's lying. And it's a little. You need to, you're so depressed. You need to remind yourself. I mean, that's where people do the bracelets and shit.

It's like, don't smoke the cigarette or remember that you're going to survive. Remember that people don't hate you. It's lying. It's not even just like this. It's just like when you're anxious, when you're not feeling well. And like, this is something I always tell myself when I'm feeling good. I'm like, that's not true. That's not true.

Shut up. And a little reminder for you. It's lying. It's lying. I like that it's your own handwriting. Yeah. That reminder for you it's lying it's like i like i like the it's your own handwriting yeah that's cool that's a cool touch is that the new brand what just like yeah you could slap that on a t-shirt nobody needs to know what it means like that's so open to interpretation it's like art people be like what's lying i don't know

you tell me the royal we you are lying to you that is the the message that is funny though when when people were like what's the it's like my brain yeah i need to remind myself that my brain is lying because it gives me such such thoughts it was what did your brother get uh my brother got a um an outline of a battleship which is uh it's like a big thing in fall river, the USS Massachusetts there. Yeah. Yeah. My grandfather brought it there.

Um, so it's kind of like a family and a home. Uh, so you can just be shit facing a tattoos, huh? Yeah. That's not like a thing. I thought that was always kind of like a thing,

like certain places. I mean, I think there's sometimes like, does it be in the right, fair mind? But like, I mean, if I like fucking flew in the door

or not but I remember thinking that like if you can't get a drunk tattoo that probably cuts like 75% of their business yeah I mean like when you're open

at 3 a.m. sober people aren't coming to get tattoos yeah yeah yeah but the yeah it was a tattoo I've been thinking about for a while

and he was like you want to get a tattoo I was like fuck let's do it baby it's a line so now I feel like it's gonna be floodgates for you.

Probably. Because you're getting angst up like every other week now. I'm going to just keep checking IG. You're going to be fucking, you're going to get them on your ribs, like an insta-thought. I'm not in enough shape because I can only be arms. Oh, yeah. That's a strong. Although I've been going to the gym a lot.

I went to the gym on Saturday. All for nothing. All for nothing, dude. Why? I'll just watch the Ravens and the 49ers in Miami. We'll be going home on Thursday, dude. First of all, if that happens, which is possible, sure, I'll still be in Miami for a week.

Yeah. But you want to talk about how much I don't sweat? I was working out in the sauna, and I wasn't sweating at all. Something's wrong. I almost took a video to send to you. It was the thermometer. Yeah, the thermometer's behind me. It's 200 degrees, and I was doing squats and push-ups and jumping jacks.

Where were you? The gym? There's a sauna that you can work out in? Big enough for you to like... I mean, it's a regular sauna. No one else was in it, so I could do whatever I wanted in there. You're a freak. Something's wrong with you.

I mean, you gotta sweat. How do you not die? I think that's why I drink so much water. I drink an outrageous amount of water. That's to keep my temperature down. He's cold-blooded, right? I don't really get cold. Fucking weird, man.

I don't know how to get cold, but I'm never the person like, can we turn the heat up? I'm pretty regular with that what's wrong with you um but another thing i've started i've been doing aside from gymming is watching cheers the tv show yes i love it by the way that's that's like so dead you know i mean that's old enough that like nobody's fucking picking that up now i used to watch it on i think it was either Channel 9 or Channel 11. It was like 12.30 at night. It was like Frasier and that were still on.

And I used to just be up at all hours at this age. It was like, you know, bedtime was fucking 3 in the morning, whatever. I love Cheers. Cheers is one of their all-time greats. It turns out a really good show that everyone talks about how good it is. I think prior to I think prior to like

probably Seinfeld and Friends, it was like the Cheers era. I think it's still considered like a top three sitcom of all time. Yeah. I mean,

it's, Frasier spun off from that and that was a fucking massive success. There was one episode that stuck out to me recently because I don't like watch it.

If I fall asleep, I don't go back to where I fell asleep. I miss an episode. There are 22 episodes per season and there are 11 seasons. It's a lot of work to finish this. So I'm going to skip some episodes here and there. But one episode I caught, and this is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in history of television.

It just highlights how fucking hot Sam Malone slash Ted Danson was. He was that dude. Is still. He's still a rocket. There's an episode where his brother is coming to town, and Sam Malone is very anxious about it because his brother is him but better. He's like, he's smarter than me. He's funnier than me.

He's cooler than I am. He's more cultured than I am. He's better looking than I am, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They never show the guy. Do you know how hot you have to be? And it's not like he doesn't come. He comes. He's in the bar.

He's just in different rooms of the bar always yelling into the room because they were just like, well, we can't find someone better looking than Ted Danson. Who would the audience believe? There's no one we can hire to play this role that would be someone who gives Ted Danson anxiety. There's just no one in Los Angeles. No one could suspend belief like that. Wait, that's the guy?

There's one point where he comes up to order a drink and Sam's the bartender and they just hide him in a group of huge people. He walks up like Jesus with a bunch of disciples and you just never see what he looks like. I'm sure that was such a thing at the time too. The audience was like, what? Who was it? What does he look like? Does he have a voice?

Yeah, he's got a voice. Do we know who the voice was? I don't know who the voice was. I didn't look that up. I can't imagine that level of I'm so fucking sexy that there's no one in Tinseltown who could even put a seed of doubt of me being the hottest man alive. How could you even be remotely normal? When they're like, stars, they're just like us.

It's like, fucking why? And Ted Danson is one of the more revered ones where it's like, he's just a nice, cool guy. And he's been doing it probably now for like 40 straight years. From fucking like Becker to whatever one's a good place now. He's been on some new shit. Curb Your Enthusiasm. Curb, yeah. That Silver Fox place.

He was on that show. I forget the name of it with Justin something. And Zach Galifianakis was in it too. It's like the Justin dude was a writer and Ted Danson was the publisher. It was fucking really funny. Hang on, I want to figure it out. It was an HBO show. He just dominates.

But he's kind of under the radar in a way. He's where you want to be. He's like Hollywood elite without any of the drama. Maybe it's because he keeps his nose clean, as far as we know. He's never in a scandal. He's never in the tabloids. Bored to death is what it was called.

I mean, he's... How much money do you think he's worth? Bored to death with Jason Schwartzman, Ted Danson, and Zach Galifianakis. It was a monster show. It was so fucking funny. Probably only did like one or two seasons, but it was really funny. I mean, if you grew up in that era, like, I mean, Portnoy loves Sam Malone. He used to always drop Sam Malone references.

He is that dude for that generation. And basically all generations, if you take the time to know him like young kids are not gonna go watch cheers right now but i feel like any generation of people from now until the end of time sam malone is like all that you want to be you know what i mean yeah like as long as as long as our athlete as long as like gender norms even just like a shred of that still exists guys will want to be like that guy yeah with women and sports and looks and booze and partying and social like he is everything it's it's the show is like again i'm probably only like two in somewhere in the second season but it's so like ahead of its time too in the first season there was a whole episode

about there were two gay guys in the bar. And, like, you were like, oh, boy, it's just going to be a bunch of gay jokes and stuff like that. And there were a few of those. But, like, the message was it's fine. Yeah. And it was like, I mean, I feel like it came out, what, early 80s? Yeah, but you know what? It's probably because Hollywood's been gay as shit for a long time.

Yeah. Because anybody who's been cool in Hollywood is fucking each other all the time. It was like Norm was like, oh, it's going to turn into one of those bars where all the gay guys are at all the time. Yeah. It was anybody's been cool. It's Hollywood's fucking each other. It was like, like Norm was like, Oh, it's going to turn into one of those bars. All the gay guys are out all the time and get them out of here. Sam, get them out.

And Sam's like, look, I don't know what kind of bars is going to turn into over this, but it's not going to be the kind of bar we kick people out of. And I was like, fucking Sam. I love it. Like in,

in always sunny when, uh, when they, when, you know, Dennis is like the bell of the fucking ball. It's like, yeah, we'll be a gay bar as long as we're fucking. Which, by the way, that video of Rob and Caitlyn.

Rob McElhinney and Caitlyn also on Instagram. They really are. You call it about to be like Hollywood's it couple. Because we've known it forever. Hollywood, Sunny fans know it forever. But sooner or later, this run has to be coming to an end. Sunny and Tom Brady, same thing. It's got to be soon, right?

But then what? And I thought they'll just do shit like this, just like funny Instagram videos that makes the world. I mean, Rob, they have a new Apple show coming out. Yeah, I was going to say. On to production and whatever. That's what Rob's always done. Rob is the showrunner for.

He's like the main guy of the three. But of course, he can sing and play the guitar. And of course they're like funny. Her fucking facial expressions. But she's back there. She does the smirk when she does a whatever clap is. And both of them do hashtag bird.

Fucking so good, man. I was thinking about trying to go back and watch Lost. It's too much of an undertaking. You can't. I want to do it. You can't because you know the payoff. I know, but I bet you.

You have to nail the last season. I bet you it's better than we think. Probably because we think it's so awful. Yeah, it can't possibly be as bad as I think it is because I regard it as the worst thing ever. But I was going back. I was reading about the leftovers because I was like, you know what, I don't really remember what happened the leftovers and then i started reading about

lost and like you know so many people were just like oh they're dead the whole time it's like that's not really what happened and then there was this podcast that was linked to the article i was reading it's called the lost boys it's one dude who had never seen lost and one dude who was watching it for the ninth time a couple of brit British dudes and they just go episode by episode and I like listen to the first ten seconds of it and I was like I had to stop cuz I was like I'm gonna fucking get into this podcast and get me into the show and then but I I don't know if I have because that that's like 21 episodes hour-long fucking intense shit but part of me wants to see and even if it

doesn't hold up the ending those those first, like, three seasons. It was. That was, like, I think I said last week. That was my first, like, foray into TV. Yeah. Like, Thursday nights in college, we'd be like, all right. I was doing it more in college. I was binging.

Like, I had a friend who watched it, and I watched one episode. You were in college for it? Yeah. I mean, it was on for a long time. Okay. So maybe it was, like, much later I caught up, and then I finally got it. Because my You were in college for it? Yeah, I mean, it was on for a long time. Okay, so maybe it was like much later I caught up and then I finally got it. Because my junior year of college was the year I remember, like Thursday nights on Lost.

Yeah, I watched an episode with her and it was one where they revealed Hurley and Libby had been in the insane asylum together. And I was like, oh, I don't even really get that twist, but that's a fucking twist that's when i got the dvds and then it turned out to not matter right that's the problem that's an amazing twist that's gonna matter and it didn't but so many things did matter there were plenty characters and desmond and penny and the people it didn't matter for everyone not every

storyline that's also the victim like if that show was 10 episodes for six seasons they'd be fine you're doing 21 it's like i don't all right let's fucking draw a backstory for them and backstory for them and not everyone could be important i think they said the writer's strike really fucked up like it was on it was cruising and then i don't really know why writer's strike fucked a lot of things like we need like a we need to flash sideways where there's no writer's strike friday night lights that must have been like that really i stole this from here i was just like fucking with this one day and i picked it up and put it in my pocket i don't know what it is it's got the nuclear codes on there bro i feel like uh the By the way, I stole this from here. I was just fucking with this one day, and I picked it up and put it in my pocket.

I don't know what it is. It's got the nuclear codes on there, bro. I feel like for the writer's strike, I think about shows now. If Game of Thrones, which Lost was like Game of Thrones then, if they were just like, now we're doing it. We're going on strike. I feel like most of the time, strikes like that.

Isn't there a strike right now? It's something about... Maybe that does explain Game of Thrones, strikes like that. Isn't there a strike right now? It's something about... Maybe that does explain Game of Thrones, the final season. I'm just thinking there's so much on the line with money and legacies. Yeah, maybe it doesn't matter to this show over here, but we're lost right now. We're it. We're going to have to give up our final season because we can't cross the picket line sort of thing. It couldn't be me if it's something if it was a big year for kfc radio and there was a blogger's strike i'd be like i don't know bro we're finishing we're finishing when we fucking

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omahasteaks.com slash KFC. KFC fight. Super producer BC. What's going on? I came up with a question in my head. I don't know if it's ever been asked before, but I just had a really

nice jerk before going out to grab some drinks. I'm wondering wondering what if you went to the doctor tomorrow and they told you you only had about a hundred nuts left in your lifetime what would you do how would you spread them out would you spread them out or would you just say fucking and deal with it I mean me personally I would throw five into the sperm bank just for safekeeping in case I ever want to have kids.

I don't know. I just want to hear your thoughts. He's saying about the literal cum. I was thinking just about the ability to jerk off. You have like 100 jerk-offs left, but I guess it's all the same thing. I mean, I'll tell you what's happening. I'm done in 50 days. However quickly I'm going to reach 100 right now is however quickly.

I do not have the self-control to be like nope not tonight because i gotta save it for later i was dude i was just reading um reddit unpopular opinions and one was about like there's a plague of addiction to pornography and like we no one cares and it's like i was like i kind of get oh. I'm big time addicted to porn. Like I – For sure addicted to porn. And like because you just think of it as like a – you think of like some gross guy in the basement or whatever like that. But like we always joke like I got to fall asleep. So I jerk off. Like that – It's the – it's not like the – the term addiction I think is the problem where it's just like you need this in your life and you can't like live normal without it.

You're addicted, bro. I would say that like the – that I'm not addicted to alcohol. Maybe by the very definition of alcoholism, I'm an alcoholic. But I'm never like, I need a drink. There are times I'm like, I need to jerk off right now. Yeah, definitely. You get a feeling, or your head hurts, you need to sleep, or whatever. To sleep is like you got to roll over to sleep.

I was reading that, and I was like might i might go on a hiatus i might see what's up i'm just gonna try it out you are i'm gonna try thought that but are you going to i think i'm gonna try for i don't know i'm gonna see what happens what porn or jerking off well i'm not a psychopath so i'm not just gonna to do it. And we're talking like nothing. Like paper, pictures. Yeah. I don't know how long it's going to be. I'm going to try it tonight.

I'm not going to jerk off tonight. Wait. Again. Jerk. Wait. Okay. So when you said I'm not a psycho, you mean you are using porn? No.

I was just watching porn, not jerking off. That's psychotic behavior. I don't know. Whatever. Sometimes you just check out what's going on. Just go to Netflixflix i'm not gonna do netflix i'll do porn hub keep watching let it run so you're gonna not jerk off tonight i'm not gonna yeah and then we'll just see what happens tomorrow we'll see what happens probably jerk off that's probably what's gonna happen i'm not making it but you're probably you're probably getting married to not jerking

off i'm gonna have a one-night stand see what i bet you it's got to be one of those things like like you it's terrible until it's not like you're probably going through withdrawal until you have a moment of clarity and then you're like it's the best thing ever but making it those first like terry cruz will tell you it's the best thing yeah he's big on that terry cruz is he's like the living meme of like yeah like nobody terry cruz i was addicted to porn i'm not anymore all right man i i think it's it's it reminds me of like when people say sex addiction where it's like i don't think people really like you're not addicted to sex in the sense that you're like you got the shakes because you don't put your dick in something but it's like if you consistently keep

making bad decisions in your life to fuck something it's a sex addiction like that's probably more what that term means same thing here where it's like if if it's messing with your if you need it to sleep if you need it to fucking think if you need it to well this thing didn't have like actual like sighting of just had studies have shown it's like studies have shown like people who jerk off a lot are way more depressed and way angrier and it's like the one the one thing that scared me is like disagree ability to perform it's like it's like yeah then like when it gets bad, like you can't get hard without bored. Now I feel like if that was going to happen to me, it would have happened

already. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm not, I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried about ability to perform with other things. Like I sometimes I got to jerk off before work, you know, before like something big, there are people out there who don't need to do that. Yeah, I guess. I've never jerked off for like something big.

I mean, I've like, I basically just jerk off to go that. Yeah, I guess. I've never jerked off for something big. I've basically just jerked off to go to sleep. I've never... I've never... I've never been like, we're going to get a big day ahead. Never, I've never done that, but I definitely feel it. I definitely know... I think clearer. I should.

I should be like, all right, we're about to go on stage. Pow, pow, pow, pow! In the green room. I bet you we'd be better. Really? Yeah. I don't think so i don't know i've always wondered about like when boxers say they don't fuck because i definitely get the weak legs thing like after you come you're just kind of like wobbly but also if i went into a fight and i'm like trying to like strategize and i had you know calm cobwebs in my brain, I'm not thinking you're sharpest.

But that might also just be a primal thing. You're just ready to fucking pounce and kill somebody. But I don't know. I've always thought the opposite. That it's like, yeah, you should. It's healthy to jerk off. Get the poison out. Poison in there, man.

It's like venom. It's taking over your body. But I guess there's a point where you get to the point where it's not poison. I don't know. But it just builds. It's like when you're not addicted to guess there's a point where you get to the point where it's not poison. I don't know. It just builds. It's like when you're not addicted to porn, you're probably not jerking off as much. It's just like you just fire off healthy loads every now and then. Most of the time

for this answer, most of the time I'd probably die with like a bunch in the chamber. Like a hundred cums in the chamber. No. If you had a hundred left in your whole life? Yeah, I'd probably die with a hundred left. I don't fucking care about cum. I just want to feel good.

If anything, it's an inconvenience. But I'm taking this to mean, like, if you only cum a hundred more times. Well, he said he was going to save five. Yeah. So, like, why would you save five? I guess. Yeah. I mean, I think of it as like if I come, 99 left.

And when I get down. So you can't fire blanks? I'm thinking of it like it's like, yeah. It's an orgasm, not a cum. Yeah. There has to be a punishment. Because if I could just jerk off and not cum, what I call that is clean, easy, no maintenance. You know what I mean?

I would be jerking off all over the place if I didn't have to worry about cum. Like a girl. But I'm thinking of it as like you have a hundred orgasms you have a hundred nuts to bust left and when you get to your hundredth it's just like well you used them all up I don't know I'd probably be like I can't do it

I'd be like look it's I'm going to die if we have sex so I can't I think you would just do it I think you'd think that I mean think about how many. I think you would just do it. I think you'd think that, and then, I mean, think about how many times you know you shouldn't do something sexually, and you're just like, well, fuck it, I'm gonna do it. That's just another one.

And this one, like, only hurts yourself. Just like, alright, that's a problem for future me. That's a problem for, you know, when I'm down to my 98th. Like, whatever, no big deal. It would also be one of those things where it's just like, I got 98 left. I got 97 left. I got 97, blink, and you got 4 left. You're like, what happened? It's like Elaine in Seinfeld when she's eating that things where it's just like, I got 98 left. I got 97 left. I got 97. Blink, and you got four left. You're like, what happened?

It's like Elaine in Seinfeld when she's eating that cake, and she's like, I ate the whole fucking thing. That would be me. So I just let it fly until my hunch is caught. That's probably what would happen. I mean, what are you going to say? I'm going to plan one. I got to save my honeymoon.

I got to save, you know, I got to make a kid. 2026 is a big one. That year is important. But if you are going to map out your important comes, there's not like that many that you can foresee. Right. That's what I mean. So if you had,

I mean, you might want to think about your honeymoon. You might want to think about procreation. Uh, and then, you know, let's, let's assume that like,

if you're not takes every time, so you only got to save a couple, you don't have two kids, but then would you just be like, you know what? Who knows? Maybe there's that night that that stripper like said, she wants to go home with me. I got to save a couple. You don't want to have two kids. But then would you just be like, you know what? Who knows? Maybe there's that night that that stripper says she wants to go home with me. I've got to save some cum for that.

Would you save for hypotheticals or would you save for only guarantees? Only guarantees. You have to, right? Yeah, you can't be saving. It's like, well, maybe I'll become famous tomorrow and I've got to fuck 100 Insta models. Well, probably not, dude. Yeah, you're going to have a sad existence if that's what you're planning for. You're in trouble, bud.

Aim high, man. Aim high. What do we got? Hey, KFC, Fight to Producer BC. Quick question for you guys. Would you rather never be able to tell the time, and nobody can tell you what time it is during the day, for the rest of your life,

or have to plan out your whole month, every month, like on the first of the month, plan out every single thing you're going to do. And if you don't do it, you can't do it. To the minute. I think you've got to know your time. What was the first thing? You never know the time, and you can't ask for the time. You've got to fucking Kramer this shit and go by the sun.

Or you have to plan everything the first of the month. And if you don't put it in your calendar, you can't do it. Never know the time. Easy peasy. Yeah. First of all, if I haven't planned it, I can't do it? Yeah. I'm the best out of my life.

I don't have a life like that. I mean, I don't do anything, period. But I mean, I don't know when we're gonna do the episode i don't know when we're gonna have guests i don't yeah but all right now we have guests you don't know what time it is i mean i'll have a pretty general idea what time it is will you i wake up and i come to the office and then you get me from there i can't well like you know i'd be like you come to the office yeah i'm not telling you what time it is but yeah, yeah, I mean, you just need, like, a guide. Yeah, and someone you work with who will be like, hey, we got to go to the studio right now. I'm assuming.

You don't have to tell me what time it is to say that. I guess you can have an alarm. How would you do that? You have to be able to wake up, right? I kind of wake up. Do you? Yeah. Like, if you just go to sleep, you'll wake up at least by, like, 11.

Yeah, I fell asleep last night without setting alarms. I woke up at, what,.45, something like that. I feel like you gotta know the time. Why? I don't think I need to know the time for anything. What do you think? With kids and shit, would time

matter? Yeah, I think time matters. But like, I just can't... I feel like even if you plan things, you can't what but so but i feel like it's even if time even if you plan things you can't plan for everything so if you're not allowed to do it unless you planned it yeah the planning thing is a little vague she even kind of laughs when she realizes she's like this doesn't make sense but like lunch and i can't eat yeah or like you know if i broke my arm i can't

go to the doctor because i didn't fucking put my you know put it in my calendar yeah like if the kids get sick. But I think it's more just like on a day-to-day basis, would you be willing to wing it on a day-to-day basis versus like, hey, you want to go to dinner? It's like, no, you can't do that. You can't have any spontaneity in your long term. I'm all about spontaneity. Spontaneity is what breeds fun.

Yeah. Plans? I hate plans. The only thing is how good would it feel to make a month's worth of plans and cancel them all? I planned this on the 1st. It's the 26th, and I'm canceling. There's nothing good that comes with plans. There's no fun stories that come from plans.

That's something I think. I married someone who was so type A planning, and I'm so not. I think that's one of the more things. TV and that shit, I think you have to be on the same page to have like a good relationship somewhat i think i feel like you can kind of balance each other out like you're spontaneous i'm a planner it's good and bad but if you're like total polar opposites it just eats at both people i don't fucking want to plan it and she's like why don't you ever just fucking plan something it's impossible to plan fun like what what what do you try plan? Anytime you try to plan fun,

it takes the fun out of it. You know? It's like when you try to recapture something for the second time. It's like, it was just fun the first time when it happened organically. You know? So you're going no time for you.

I'm going no time. But time in my life does not really matter. Time is... You know what? Some would say that you have made it to... Like, you have some Dalai Lama shit. You have achieved nirvana. Like time really,

I very rarely set alarm clocks. I am always like crammed for time. I'm always running from one thing to the next, just like, there's not enough hours in the day. Maybe I'll miss the first quarter of a game or something here and there. Oh shit,

it's eight o'clock, not seven, whatever. Yeah, like, I don't know. I, I very rarely know what time it is and it doesn't affect me much

i very rarely know the date and i very very rarely know the time i'm just living here it's too hard i'm like the uh i'm like the uh i mean it's like kramer kramer didn't he was like i'll just tell by the sun, because it didn't matter, because he had no fucking responsibilities. What were you going to say? But you're like my phone. Remember Paul Rudd, when he's like, he's like, man, when I moved out of here, I stopped wearing a watch. And they're like, that's so cool.

He's like, yeah, time's just on my phone now. I'm like, I don't really know what time it is. Kevin just kind of pulls me into the studio when he needs me. Actually, what's funny, though, is it is kind of the other way around because i just don't do those google invites you're the one who was telling me you're actually they're the you're the second part for me you're like my calendar yeah yeah yeah that's true i could just push you're my time on your calendar i think subconsciously i just want to piss kelly off funny how instead of just learning how to use a calendar you text people like what's on the no but hopefully this problem hopefully this problem

has been fixed because i haven't had my mail on my phone for like two months so i i don't get the invites now i do again yeah but you even when you got the invites you didn't hit yes i know it's really wanted but it's actually very helpful it's so easy i just don't do it you know i just don't check my email a lot i Time to you is email to me. I used to be at my Gmail just waiting for shit to refresh with a tip or a link or whatever when we were a blogger. And now I just don't need that. I still check my email. Yeah, not me, you fucking puppet.

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It's a complete fucking smoke show. And her boyfriend was with her, but they, she kept coming up to me saying that she wanted to kiss me and all this stuff. And I was like, well, she had a boyfriend here. And at the end of the night of the wedding night, they invited me back to their hotel room, but I was like stone cold sober. And it was like, oh fuck, I can't be doing this. But anyway, I thought it was kind of a drunken one-night thing on their end,

but I've continued to talk to them. Both of them added me on Snapchat. We continued to talk to them, and I'm like good buddies with him now, and she sends me nudes all the time. But they invited me to come down to Alabama specifically to fuck her while he watches. I'm not sure what to think about that. I figured when they invited me back, it was going to be like a threesome.

But now knowing that he's going to kind of sit there and watch, I'm not sure what to think. Give me your thoughts, B-Luck. The floor is yours. I think you should not do this. That is coming straight from the horse's mouth

on this one. It's a funny story. It's a fucking legendary story. It's arguably part of why you are who you are and where you're at today. I agree with that. But it's a fucking legendary story. It's arguably, you know, part of like why you are who you are and where you're at today. I agree with that, but it's, it's a result of you don't work in the entertainment world.

Not really necessary to have that story, but ah, fucking go do it. Stunned. That was your initial answer. Fuck you. Let some poop fall out of that butt while the guy jerks off in the corner. Fucking go do it,

dude. I mean, let some poop fall out of that butt while the guy jerks off in the corner fucking go do it i mean i mean i think it's one thing to be a spontaneous you know new orleans bourbon street grab this fucking young buck sort of thing you're into some kinky shit to pursue the like cuck thing is that's the it's uh and i'm assuming relatively the same age like introduce at a wedding it's probably all you know you're from the same cut from the same cloth somewhat. I guess weddings can be far and wide, but for the most part, it's like, yeah, you know, I met these people and then they're just like, come on, fuck me while I jerk off. I think it's one of those things where it does get dangerous.

Like second locations are dangerous. Like if you get kidnapped, when they take you to a second location, you're fucked. Yeah. If it happens organically, like you're not planning it Fine If you're buying me a plane ticket to Alabama by the way That's not where I'm trying to do my cuck work Bring me to Vegas bring me to LA

Miami South Beach Overseas sure Europe Alabama It's like are you guys related what's going on Good twist I'll go on vacation with you guys. I'll come fuck you, like you said, in LA. I'll go fuck you in Hawaii.

I'm not trying to fuck you in Tuscaloosa. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to Alabama for fucking anything. And guess what? I didn't want to say Tuscaloosa because it's such a cliche. I couldn't think of another Bama city. Birmingham, Alabama? Birmingham? Sure. i couldn't think of another bama city birmingham birmingham alabama birmingham that just sure i think another church box why not that's my dick car like a nice maltoff cocktail through a church are they still shooting people with fire hoses there i don't want to go anywhere in alabama yeah yeah no i'm not fucking in bama last second to last state in the union i want to fuck in next to mississippi

because i feel like like Mississippi is all those things about Alabama, but even less. I can't name one thing about Mississippi. I don't think I get my dick hard in any of those states. What is a city in Mississippi? Jackson. Jackson, Mississippi? That's a cop-out. That's like a Springfield thing.

Every state has a Jackson. That is the capital, right? Jackson, Mississippi? Is there a Jefferson? Jefferson, Mississippi? I don't know cities and stupid states. I barely know the stupid states. I know the cities inside them.

And I think, guess what? You're a hot commodity, bud. They want you. Make them chase. You got some skin here. You got a little something for you at the negotiation table. Say, Los Angeles. I'll fuck you in California.

I'm going to ask you one more question based on what you just said there. What you just described, this gentleman who seems to be a hot commodity for sex, is every girl pretty much alive, right? I was thinking the other day, if I was a chick, I think like three or four times a year I would fuck for money. Like, if I was struggling with money, I would just be like,

all right, you know what? A month ago, I went home with a guy from a bar who I regretted that anyway. I might as well just, this is going to be a regret, but he's going to give me 10 grand. But is that offer out there for people? Where do you find that i mean i don't know how to find it but they're there i feel like even semi-attractive girls are getting dms from guys sugar daddy foot

stuff the problem i think you have to worry about is like it's probably not one and done it's probably not three or four times a year they probably like get obsessed with you and like want to kidnap you and it's dangerous and shit but if i could guarantee that these guys are just like i i saw you on instagram you're hot i'll give you 10 grand to fuck and then i But if I could guarantee that these guys are just like, I saw you on Instagram. You're hot. I'll give you $10,000 to fuck, and then I'm gone. I would do that four times a year. But the danger of that is –

Catch up on my bills, you know? The people who are offering it almost feel like it feels dangerous. It's like buying drugs. If you're calling a drug dealer, you're probably a little okay. If some guy comes up to me and says, like he did on Saturday morning in the tattoo parlor, and was like, hey man, do you want to come get some coke for me? And I was like, no dude, I'm a good thing. I don't want to die from fentanyl.

Yeah, I'm all set. I'm going to leave with you, the stranger. But he was actually, I don't want to disparage the tattoo parlor. He was right outside the door. He wasn't hanging out in there. So what you're saying is you think it would be better for me to find one sugar daddy and fuck him consistently. But then you're just dating a 60-year-old. And I understand the not being able to do that.

What I'm saying more is the people who offer it are usually like... If they're offering it, they're weird. Yeah, and they're probably like the broke boys. The people you want to fuck for money, you have to find them through certain means like you gotta find like a friend of a friend yeah oh yeah i know this guy but i feel like that's what you do is like like you know a girl who has a drug dealings works i feel like you got a guy i need who sells foot picks or has a finsta and she has a sugar daddy and that guy is like has a friend who's been looking for i i feel like i feel like very little like light work you could figure this out.

Yeah, you probably could. I guess my point is safety and shit aside, that's a concern. Stigma aside, who fucking cares? Also, you don't have to tell anybody. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to go out tonight,

going to get a meal, maybe catch some good dick, probably not, but whatever, and have all my bills paid. Yeah, there's really no reason. The people who are like struggling for money, just fucking forget it. As long as it's safe. The second biggest city in Mississippi is Gulfport.

Yeah, bro. You made that up. That's not even a city. It's a Gulfport. You made that up for sure. What's the biggest? Jackson. Jackson.

And that has what, like 160,000 people? 163 000 i was saying that completely disparagingly like trying to mock them and that's exactly on the note what is can you give me that was the greatest guest i've ever made jackson gulfport south haven hattiesburg i did that one biloxi biloxi i've heard but i almost like i was just like made up i thought he was like two words smashed together i've heard of bilox, but I almost thought it was just made up. I thought Biloxi was like two words smashed together. I've heard of Biloxi, but I just thought it was like Dixie mixed with. We'll make up a funny word to talk about where Rednecks live.

But none of these sound like comma Mississippi, like Biloxi. You know, usually there's like a. Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Mobile, Alabama. Yeah, yeah. But in Mississippi, there's zero things. That place sucks. Sucks.

All right. Let's do. You want to do Magic first or KSI? KSI first? KSI is brought to you by Tommy John. I bet you Tommy – I bet you KSI wears Tommy John. I bet you Tommy – I bet you he wakes up and only wears Tommy John. Like, I'm all about my business. I'm never going to mess around and have a bad underwear day.

I got 20 million subscribers. I got a song on Rick Ross coming out. I got to win this boxing match at the Staples Center. He's probably wearing Tommy John the Nighty boxed because anyone who is a boss who wants to take care of their balls and make sure they're comfortable and not to worry about their underwear, make sure they go with Tommy John. The gift season is

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Me, you and Lizzo walking around in those same thongs. I bet you we could wear Lizzo's thongs. That fat bitch. I see you, fat bitch. TommyJohn.com Slash KFC 20% off the order Nah it's not as cold

As it is here bro Like I think The wind The wind's like First of all It's like It's like 50 degrees Out right now

It's a balmy day It's 45 Oh man Nah That ain't shit It's too cold for me Too cold for me But isn't Isn't London north here?

I remember I was in Portugal recently. That's so random. Why were you in Portugal? The town I'm from in Massachusetts is just all Portuguese people. I had to stop playing soccer when I was a kid because they wouldn't speak to me in English. We were in Portugal, and people were like, where do you think this is? If we went where the United States is. I was like, I don't know, probably like If we went, like, where in the United States?

I was like, ooh, I don't know, probably like Florida. They're like, nah, it's North Carolina. So if Portugal's North Carolina, England's got to be way the fuck up there. Oh, my gosh. You guys are in, like, Canada. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's cold, but it's, I don't know. It's just different here. It's just different.

Yeah, it bites you in the face. It does. It's a little bit nastier. But it's nice. I like New York, man. How long have you been here for? I'm literally leaving Friday. So tomorrow, shit.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's a bit mad. You're a fucking wild man, huh? You're living. I need a holiday, bro. I'm going to Maldives next week. Okay. Yeah, probably just like a week just to chill.

Unplug. Do you find when you do go away, you completely unplug, put down the internet, stay away from YouTube, social media, the whole night. I literally turn off everything. Get out of town. I can't do it. No, because you're one of these, the new age, you're kind of like us, where it's just like your every day matters. Yeah, yeah. You don't get scared, like if I'm gone for a week, people might find someone better than me?

No. You don't yearn for that? Maybe back in the day, maybe back in the day. I guess we're still on that fucking ride. Yeah, I mean, what did you just hit? 20 million subscribers? I think when you hit that level,

you're good. I'm taking a vacation. You're good. I mean, I'm taking like a six-month break. Oh, shit. And I came back and people were still there.

So, I mean, that was somewhat surprising. Oh, yeah. You did that like high school relationship where like, let's just take a little break. If it's meant to be we'll find out how old you I'm 26 26 man 26 you just dropped a song with Rick Ross you saw him at Staples Center

what last month uh yeah yeah you're doing pretty good not bad I'm doing pretty good I'm doing all right I'm doing all right man I'm doing all right, man. You're doing pretty fucking good, dude. And, like, I mean, how did this all start? You just started, like, kind of fucking around on the internet, and the next thing, like, it snowballs? Or did you have a plan, and you, like, wanted to? I wish I had a plan. Why, though? Who cares?

It worked out. I mean, certain things would have gone a bit more smoothly. But, yeah, I was just doing games, man, playing games. Streaming. Not even streaming. It was literally just me recording me doing skills and then posting it online and, like, putting, like, music in the background.

So I put, I don't know, one of my mates' tracks because it was copyright free. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then I'd just do a bunch of goals that I scored. Same with, like, Call of Duty, a montage of, like, kills that I've done. And then, yeah, it was that. I heard you went to a teacher

in your senior year, or your sixth form year, and you told him how much money you make, and he's like, I don't make that. I told him I made 1,500 pounds that month. And he was like, I don't even make that a month so yeah yeah

i don't need to be here man i'm out yeah i love that because obviously like my parents are like strict african parents so it was tough to try and get out of that whole uh you know i don't want to go to school so eventually it got to the point where I told them I'm making enough money yeah how about I buy you a house can I

leave school now I feel like any parent or anyone from the previous generation just doesn't quite grasp the idea even me. I'm turning 35, so I used to be like – I saw some of the younger kids here. I'm like, no, you got to finish school. And they're like, fucking why, man?

I got my job. We're good to go. And I'm like, I guess you're right. But especially – I mean it's a different world with someone like yourself who just all of a sudden blows up and you're rich and you're just killing it. It is crazy. I remember trying to tell my parents. I was like, I'm going to write for a blog. They're like, okay, I don't really get that.

Do you make money? I was like, yeah, I make a couple hundred dollars a month. If you're lucky. Okay, so what do you do for a job? I was like, dude, that's the job. All right, dude. We'll see. Come back to me in a year when you have to move back in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll find out that. So you just won the boxing match in Staples Center. You guys were calling it the biggest event in Internet history. Yeah. Do you believe that? Yeah. I was trying to think if, you know, because I know part of the boxing game is the promotion,

and I was wondering if that was an exaggeration or if I agreed with it, and then I started to try to think of something that compares. And there isn't really anything. What would you even consider to be, you know, the previous biggest internet? Or what do you think is your biggest competition? Probably the previous match with Logan Paul. Yeah.

My last boxing match. Whatever the last thing I did on the internet was. Yeah, that was it. And I guess before that, another boxing fight with a guy called Joe Weller. Yeah. I mean, if I'm being honest, though, like, I don't really know. Like, there hasn't been anything that has gelled the mainstream and the online media so well together.

And I feel like the fight between me and Logan, the second one, did that. Well, you know what's funny? It's like the fight between me and Logan, the second one did that. Well, you know what's funny? It's like the perfect combination. You guys being the personalities from YouTube and the internet and the new age mixed with boxing, which is just the oldest OG, you know, competition there is. And we do like an amateur boxing thing here called Rough and Rowdy where it's like quick one-minute rounds. People just throwing haymakers.

There's no nothing to it. But like it gets people gassed every time. There's something about two people just going toe-to-toe. Yeah, it's entertaining, man. People like fights. People like people fighting. Who knew? It's awesome.

You take that shit back to elementary school. It was like, fight! Exactly. Fight, fight, fight, fight. Everyone just loves it, and people are filming and everything. It's just one of those things. Were you much of a fighter for the Wheeler fight? No, no. No? Not at all, man. fight, fight. Everyone just loves it, and people are filming and everything. It's just one of those things. Were you much of a fighter before the Wheeler fight? No, no.

No? Not at all, man. I avoid fights. But you liked it, perhaps? No, not really. I watched some fights, like the Mayweather-Patrick Hill fight. I watched that, but I didn't really get it. And I was just like, why is there so much hype for this fight?

So what made you do it? Um, fucking money. No, just someone called me out. Joe Willow called me out and he was like, yo, let's fight.

And I was like, obviously I did, I told him he was fighting someone else, a guy called, um, uh, Malfoy. And that's not his real name,

but I always fuck it up. a guy, um, it was him versus his mate. And, uh that's not his real name, but I always fuck it up. But a guy, it was him versus his mate. And he beat his mate. And, you know, on Instagram, I was like, oh, I'll fight the winner as a joke.

And he took it seriously. And then he called me out and he was like, yo, let's fight. And I was like, no, no, it was just, it was a joke, it was a joke.

Please don't allow it, man. And he was like, no, no. And he was making youtube videos calling me a pussy this and that well he's also probably trying to grab some shine someone who's at the top and you're gonna get well that's it that's exposure in the world it got to a point where even my own fans were looking at me like oh maybe you are a pussy man i like they were just like yo like you can't even take on Joe Weller? Like,

wow, is that you? And you rap about all of this shit? Like, you're the top dog, blah, blah, blah,

but you can't even. That's what's fucked, is like, you gotta put your money where your mouth is now. so I was there like, alright, fuck it,

we're gonna have to go. So, you know, we had a press conference, it got heated, like, really heated to the point where I was like,

yeah, fuck it, I'm gonna go ham. And I trained hard. Yeah, I was gonna say, it looks like you knew what you were doing.

For someone who didn't really watch fighting or care for fighting, you know you can handle yourself. Well, it's just, like, lots of practice, lots of training, and just, you know, like, studying the game as well, like, watching lots and lots of boxing videos, you know, boxing fights and just trying to figure out, you know, why certain people are doing certain things and you know how to get better as an athlete and as a boxer and that's how i was able to beat uh joe

weller in my first fight was that like you know true bad blood yeah yeah yeah that was true what about i made no money with that shit it was crazy yeah i I think, how much did I make? Like, in the grand scheme of things, there was, like, millions that watched it. Like, 10K. Wow. Yeah, 10K. That's not enough for someone like yourself. But you know what? I mean, you could say it led to the next, you know, the Staples Center.

But, like, yeah, at that time, it was kind of like. You're crazy. I was earning, like, way more than that doing just YouTube. So, like, I, you know, to put myself through all of that just on 10K, you know, it seemed ridiculous. Yeah. Just because I hated the dude, man. Yeah. Was, like, part of you while you were training, are you like, if I lose this fight, like, I might lose all those fans who, like.

Well, yeah, again. It seemed like you were putting so much effort, or not effort, but, effort but like everyone else putting so much stock into something that really doesn't matter to you like you're not entertaining you're not a boxer but were you scared that like you would lose fans well it's it's legacy like i'm every time i fight i put my legacy on the line and you know there's so many people that want me to fail want me to do this and that. But like, I have to always make sure that I win. It's just as simple as that. Because if I lose, it just disrupts a lot of things. Like, I'm not able to make certain videos because of it.

I'm not able to do certain music because of it. I'm not able to, you know, look a certain way. You know, I can't be like, oh, I'm the top dog. Right. If you're not, you can't talk shit. You can't do anything. Right the top dog right you're not a lot on the line that's it so that's why like Rousey like the fighting game is like so scary that Ronda Rousey was the baddest and then overnight like a you know doesn't even do much anymore she disappeared Austin right away was was is

there true bad blood with Logan oh yeah was that yeah yeah yeah 100 you hate that guy yeah i don't like him yeah all right it's just you know how he come out i mean like how he is of the person with the whole suicide forest thing uh his ego and just you know how he disrespects youtube as well like i just don't i don't fuck with that he says he doesn't he says he just doesn't uh what's it called he doesn't uh like being oh no what's what do you say i don't want to misquote him i i mean he said something like uh he doesn't respect being a youtuber because or something like he sees that youtubers don't get respect and he doesn't really want to be a youtuber he just uses it as a stepping stone and like

you know as a person that started from YouTube you know you always have to respect where you've come from you know never

I see what he's saying I don't think I think what he's saying is actually kind of fair because people do you say like YouTuber and people are like

it's like blogger podcaster any new word people are immediately going to be like I don't care about that if you're not saying television star,

even though, guess what, my videos get way more fucking views than that show you're watching on TV. But people pull back when they hear that word. But then that's why you have to be at the forefront to change people's opinions and change people's concepts of what they think a YouTuber is or a blogger is or a vlogger

is. I'd say even right now, the term being a pro gamer, because Ninja has just completely changed that. People are like, oh, shit, yeah, yeah, I get that now. Right. Like, you know, I want to be a gamer or I want to stream. You could choose to be the ninja who changes things

or you can kind of fold to that reputation. What was more satisfying then, if there is true bad blood, was it beating Logan and getting to talk shit to him or talking shit to Justin Bieber? Because I watched your wrap-up video, giving your thoughts, where you said you were just laughing at him, talking shit to him. I mean, that's got to be a fucking great thing.

Oh, that was an amazing thing, especially after he released that baby track. I was like, it's good to finally, you know, see the man that released that. But yeah, no, like, obviously, being Logan was like the best feeling ever. And, you know, we were going to be, you know, we said we were going to be respectful. And then obviously he did the whole complaining to the commission about the minus two points. So at that point, you know, respect is gone. And now I can just shit talk, you know, the whole time.

And, like, I've been going ham, man. It's just because it is what it is. Like, I beat him. Oh, I mean, once to the victor go the spoils, man. Like, you get to say and do whatever you want at that point. If he beat me, he'd do the exact same thing. For sure. It'd be crazy.

He'd be making videos after videos. Literally, he would – it'd be mad. What would you have done if you lost and you got the new track with Rick Ross coming out? I wouldn't have recorded that music video. Yeah, right? I mean, like you said, you can't. You can't be like tough guy with Rick Ross, and it's like, well, we just saw you later.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I just would have canceled it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, here's my new song. Go download it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well. What was more satisfying, the win or recording down like that with Rick Ross?

Oh, no, come on. The win. The win? What? Get out of town. What do you mean? With Rosé? Bro, I don't think you understand how much work, Ross. The win. The win. Get out of town. With Rose. Bro, I don't think you understand how much work, how much, how tough it was, like training,

boxing wise. All right, well, how about this then? What do you think is more important for like your legacy, putting out a song with a guy like that, a major track or winning that fight? Okay, that's a better question. Yeah. Because I can understand personally, you trained, you know, the emotion, the adrenaline. like that a major track or winning that fight okay that's a bad question yeah um because i can understand personally you trained you know the emotion the adrenaline but as far as what's important for your career and taking the next step because of that that youtuber connotation was like okay yeah but i just put out a song rick ross i just put out a real major track

featuring these guys you know what i mean that i feel like that kind of solidifies you more i guess we've read one ago then yeah i'd say the track with Rick Ross, yeah. Is that what you – He's like, well, I did both, so it doesn't make a matter. I don't have to pick. I can just do it all. If you had to pick one, what would you prefer to be, like a Mayweather-type boxer or a Rose-type fighter?

Rapper. No, Rose. Rose-type person, yeah, for sure. For sure. It's a pretty good one to be. You don't get hit by doing that. What is this?

Oh, yeah. What's SDMN on your hat there? Oh, this is Sideman. Oh, you know. You know. Yeah, okay. Don't know what it represents. It's a sick hat.

I like that. Yeah, no, thank you, man. Yeah, it's just my group. Nice to get in there. I mean, what would you say is next? Next. Because I feel like what's awesome about

this new generation is you do it all. You know, YouTube, you're rapping, you can do it what's awesome about this new generation is you do it all. You know, YouTube, you're rapping, you can do it all. You can do clothes. You can do it all. Well, I think it's kind of, it's funny. Like, I know what I've got in mind. I've got goals that I've got set.

But because of this, you know, how everything goes with just online, you never know. There might be an opportunity that might arise from out of nowhere. Something you never even thought. Exactly. Do you have interest in going – I wonder if this was like people who got really famous on the internet. Do you have interest in going into the more mainstream stuff? People ask us that with like –

they're like, oh, give us a podcast. Would you want to be on the radio? No. We have a successful podcast. This is what I'm saying. Yeah. Like would you want to be on a TV show? Would you want to be in movies?

You're like, no, I get my millions of views here i will i i don't think i would want to uh have like my own tv show but i think i definitely want to do both i think like you know hop on mainstream every now and then right right and then you know still stick to doing the online stuff that's yeah yeah if you abandon that it's kind of like yeah this is where it's going why would you yeah yeah i'd love to do something over here every now and again we do a radio show you know on if it's a daily but it's still like this is kind of the main thing yeah yeah but i i think it's yeah it's cool to be able to do both changing that like that reputation that connotation is that something you aspire to do or are you just kind of like i don't care if

you don't understand my world you don't understand no i feel like no i feel like for me changing people's perception is quite a big thing for me i think that's one of the driving points in my life essentially like telling you know always just trying to change people's opinion and show um you know when people try to put me in a box, just constantly trying to get out of that box and showing that I can do whatever I want, et cetera. And, you know, just, yeah,

I think, yeah, just changing people's opinions is definitely a huge thing for me. Who are you fighting next? Who am I fighting next? Who do you get in the ring with next? Probably some... Maybe I'll just challenge him.

You can beat the shit out of me, but I can just catch catch some of that Staples Center money you know what I mean we'll build it up and just like watch KSI beat the shit out of this old guy

you think we is that enough to sell tickets can we do that I don't know if people would watch that actually no no people would actually watch that

your fans would people would watch that yeah just some celebrities. You know, there's a few people who have piped up. Yeah? Oh, who's this fucking guy chirping you now? Gross something or other? Oh, Gross Gore.

Yeah, yeah. He's a nobody, right? Don't give him. I know. I definitely want to spar him just to shut him up. He's one of those trolls Who says all this shit But then

When it actually comes to it I saw him making this video And I clicked on his Twitter profile He has like 80,000 followers But are you over the camp Because we get that a lot too here A lot of people are always chirping us And people are like don't respond to them because that's what they want.

You're just giving them the exposure they want. And I'm always kind of like, I don't fucking care. If someone calls me out, I want to talk shit. I don't care if they're bigger than me, smaller than me. Yeah, exactly. But I do understand the idea of like this guy is just kind of using you, but you're okay with it. Yeah, I don't care, man.

Ultimately, like in three months' time, when he says, oh, yeah, I'm ready. Well, let's fight in three months' time. And I hit him up in three months' time, when he says, oh, yeah, I'm ready. Well, let's fight in three months' time. And I hit him up in three months' time, and he goes, and I go, all right, what's up? And he's there like, oh. I need to throw my ones. Then it's just anything. It just makes him look bad, and then I move on. So what's that?

But, yeah, no, like, if someone wants to call me out like that, yeah, then we'll go. Watch the fuck out, man. I wouldn't do that again, Sid, dude. All right, so the new track is out with Rick Ross out like that yeah then we'll go watch the fuck out man i wouldn't bet against it dude all right so the new track is out uh with rick ross down like that uh obviously youtube is going bananas so check them out there and we appreciate you coming through man thank you man thanks a lot all right big thanks to ksi for coming through he also did answer the internet which will be out uh later you know this year or early in 2020 so be on the lookout for that if you're a ksi fan uh real cool dude just got the world by the fucking balls man and when you do it so genuine like we said earlier in the show like he doesn't have to worry about like oh what if my shtick

runs out or what if they find out the truth about me or i mean who knows maybe he's got skeletons but for the most part that guy is just himself and it fucking works to the tune of millions of dollars like we got to revise ati we said this during when we filmed ati for certain people i'm like all right make that 1 million 10 million for you make that 50 500 000 we know you're super rich there was a question with a million dollar payout for ksi and he did not even fucking consider it and i know we moved to 10 million and he did not even fucking consider yeah he was like i got cash and i know i don't okay boomer i don't want to poo poo youtube or whatever but like even those dudes are that rich that fuck you answer the internet hypothetical rich god damn the internet done passed us by we were at the forefront of it it

was ripped past us uh speaking of uh guy no never mind next interview we got justin willman on the show who is a mentalist a magician a comedian i would how much money would you give up to have like all of his skills like all magician skills and and comedy skills i don't have much money right like what if i could give you like what if i'll give you enough money to like continue to pay your bills and shit but like you can give up future earnings if you wanted i would give up a lot of money for this i don't think i would i would love to be because it's the same kind of thing as you were saying earlier where like you don't want to be the guy doing you want to be the guy getting wondered oh yeah i might have a lot of fun being whoa see you know that this would work perfect because i would give up

like endless i would give up a percentage for the rest of my life and i would just sit here and do tricks to you like a fucking puppy you'd be like and i would just get a percentage for the rest of my life, and I would just sit here and do tricks to you like a fucking puppy. And I would just get a rush of dopamine from your love and acceptance, and you would be wowed, and we'd be the happiest goddamn couple in the world. But John, come here. Look at this one. Look at this one.

Look at this one. Look at this one. Yeah! All right! You know what would be my favorite video? The nice kid? No. Have you seen this?

No, I don't think so. Oh, God. It's so awesome. I'm going to find it it to you it's like like a viral video yeah he's hyping the other kids up is it is it one of those like be this guy be this kid for your friend sort of thing uh yeah yeah i feel like i saw it but i didn't see uh i didn't see the actual video i feel like we're not that kid by the way no you know that's not true we have people up yeah we guess i have this gassy problem yeah yeah i feel like you weren't that kid growing up you are that kid now how is kid on scooter saying i see what i googled first result 16 year old boy

fatally struck while riding e-scooter what i feel like the algorithm is broken on that one algorithm is broken it that one. The algorithm is broken. It's lying! It's lying! Nice one! Nice one! Nice! Nice one! Nice one! Oh, nice one i don't know let's get into this interview justin willman from magic uh for humans

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Magic for Humans is the show show yeah man and we were just saying off off air two seasons that's a good sign i'm happy we're watching you're just blowing people's minds yeah making them laugh the important part i thought what you said there was you're like people are already watching to make a new one do you now obviously we're not going to bite the hand that feeds you too much but do you does that bother you a bit with streaming i mean i know as a as like a consumer if i want to another episode, it's nice to be able to do that right then and there. Yeah. And I know that like, okay, if you have to tune in in a week and you got to remember to tune in at this time, you're not going to.

So I'd rather you watch everything in a night as opposed to watch one episode and maybe see another. Even though it takes, you know, how long did it take you to put together season two? How long does a season take? So you do a year of work and someone does it in a fucking night, and then they're already asking for more. Yeah, it's wild. Well, it's like you kind of hope that your viewer has a little bit of self-control. Pace yourself out.

It's like don't eat all your candy at once. It's like you're a child. Guess what? Everyone's a child, man. Here's your Monday candy and your Tuesday candy. Exactly. Well, some services are starting to do the weekly again, and I think it's a night.

I'm mad in the moment, but when that day rolls around and there's a new episode, I'm pretty excited about it. No, it's true. There's room for it all. It makes people really rabid fans for a short period of time. That is true. But it gets frustrating, too. Now, yours was a little different because it's not, like with Peaky Blinders,

I forget the characters. It's been two and a half years since I watched the show. I forget what, like who the character, you're the character in your thing. It's not,

there's not a, you don't have to remember, die back in. You don't have to watch a season one recap. Here's what you left off. Right. Are you knocking De Niro

and Pesci off the front page? No, dude, I don't. I mean, that's, we're talking about just having a second season. It's so funny, people will watch an entire season

of Magic for Humans but then complain, oh, the Irishman's too long. It was. I will say this. I watched the Irishman last night and it was... I kind of judge things now

in this day and age on how often you get the pull to feel your phone. Like, not even, like, an actual vibration or something, but, like, you just have,

like, this thing now where your hands, like, go to the pocket, go to the pocket. and it's a binky like I need my binky and I didn't feel it for a long long time and I was like

I wonder how long I've gone this is pretty crazy and there was an hour left in the movie and I was like that's crazy I've gone two and a half hours

and there's still an hour left I mean it's like the electronic cigarette I mean your phone is kind of like this right so um magic is pretty fucking cool.

Well, we've got to address something real quick. Glad you think so. We're divided here. No, not divided. This is the one of, I think maybe the first episode of this show. We kind of take voicemails and stuff like that on the other part of it. And one question was, if you could eliminate a group of people from the world, who would it be? And I just instinctually said

magicians. Now, it has nothing to do with... He wants to wipe you off the face of the earth. No, it was the 90s type. It was the Criss Angels and the kind of dark arts ones. I have fun with magicians. What magician hurt you? Something happened in your youth. First of all, I had never even...

That, I think, it's very different to being fun. I think it's weird to be like, I'm never even. That, I think, is very different than being, like, fun. I think it's weird to be like, I'm going to sit in a tube. I don't think that's magic. Is that magic? Like, I'm going to sit in a box for a week. David Blaine gets pretty crazy. Like, card tricks and shit like that, I fucking love.

I love. I watched your trailer for season two. That's prison. Yeah. I watched season two where you make the girl disappear. That shit's cool. But when it's like watch me Sit here His was always just

Physical Tribulations I mean he's a great magician He likes making you ask that question Wait is this real or magic He gets off on that But like you specifically The 70s magicians you said

I just feel like that's a 90s thing. Like the dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost like it was in with like pop punk, which I still love. But like the brooding fallout boy. I'm with you on that. Okay. I'm with you on that.

But I think that they kind of took care of themselves. They're kind of, you know, it's out with the old. I mean, for every, for the old. I understand what you're saying about when David Blaine's like, I'm just going to stand on top of this pole for 40 hours. But also some of the magic he does in his special. Where he burns the card

and then the ashes spell out the name you were thinking of and all that kind of stuff. It's not the magic I have the issue with. It's the attitude. That's the problem. Magicians can get... You guys are ultimately tricking people. Yeah. And it always kind of comes across as like, I'm smarter than you.

You don't know what's going on. I'm pulling the wool over your eyes. And so it's kind of like a, fuck you, man. What's going on here? Like in the attitude. That's a good point is the attitude. Because I remember like when David Blaine first came out, you know, and I was maybe a freshman in high school or something. And he's like doing, you know, very basic magic tricks, you know.

So I miss it. So really he's leaning into this attitude, you know, and I just kind of like missed it. Wait, I'm sorry. You're saying Blaine is simple stuff? Well, like just his first special, you know, he's kind of doing stuff that if you're a magician who's competent, who's been doing magic for 10 years, like you also do. So like there's a lot of jealousy. Right.

Magic community, like, who the hell is this guy? He's biting quarters in half. It's like, we're all like, we can do that. But what we missed is what he did that was revolutionary is that he just let the camera roll. After the trick is done, he shut the fuck up and he let the camera just take in you being mind-melted. And that's really, really good television. And now looking back, I'm like, it was pretty brilliant at the time. But that whole

the attitude of I am a god, I think, turns me off and clearly turns you off. And I get it. Stage presence and things like that. Yeah, I kind of like that. I feel like it should be as ramped up and as ridiculous as possible. I went to a baby shower recently, and they hired a magician to just kind of walk around the restaurant and just blow people's minds.

And, I mean, that was, what, a month or two ago? I'm still talking about it. I mean, this guy, he was doing shit that was like— Do you remember his name? I don't. I meant to get it, too was doing shit that was like... Do you remember his name? I don't. I meant to get it to... Was it Criss Angel? And he was doing, you know, like you pull out a phone, you write a number, and then

delete the number, and then he told you, like, you knew what the number was and who it was in your phone. Oh, that's... Yeah. And I'm just like... It's like getting in your head. That's good stuff. But those are things that, like, inherently have to be...

I don't know how he fucking did it. I mean he's doing it to my friend. I'm like – my friend is guaranteeing me that there was no conversation had before or anything, and I'm just like – Yeah, that's the good stuff. I know. I would get off on that because it is – we were just moments ago giving shit to Blaine and whatnot for being kind of godlike. But there is a godlike aspect to it where you're like i know something you don't know yes and you're never gonna know how i do this yeah there is it's like one of those with great power comes great responsibility because it's like you know you can say like yeah i have i can do this

because i am better than you and i am i am holy if, like I try to just let you know, it's a trick. Yeah, it's really cool. You know, I'm not trying to start a cult or anything like that. You have to use that.

Use your influence while you could. So, and you're like comedian magician. Like you're kind of mixing in some humor to it all. I'm the Caroline this weekend. I'm the Caroline.

Yeah, Thursday through Sunday. So like, is your show a magic show? A comedy show? Or is it like a hybrid of sorts? I like to make you wonder what the hell that was. Was it a magic show? It's kind of a, it's a hybrid.

You know, I have like little chunks of stand up like within, within magic routines and setting up a bit and that kind of thing. And, and I just try to be funny. I, I have a hard time like growing up with all those magicians that I would look up to, but be very serious. You know, I just had a hard time doing that with a straight face you know like so i always liked having having it be a little tongue-in-cheek if you're going to do something that's incredible like i i kind of have to take the edge off with a joke it just i think it makes it easier for me to palette and the audience well also you doug mckenzie was his name oh doug's great yeah yeah

he's good yeah i mean he had And his iPhone tricks are the best. Yeah. You know, you touch their fingers and both their phones dial at the same time. I mean, things that were like technologically impossible. But it was, I mean, I. He's like a magician brain hacker. Yeah. And we all walked out of that place being like, we don't care about your baby that you're

about to have. Like, who is this guy? Like, you know, like had the room either in wonder or in – I tried to mess him up on the card trick. He was like, take one card. I took a bunch of them. He's such an asshole. Totally. This is the first time a magician has ever had someone trying to fuck with their trick.

You're that guy. Right. Well, as soon as I did it – because he really – he was wowing the room and I was like, all right, let's see what happens here. And then as soon as he started to play me and make me feel like he fucked up the trick, I was like, alright, let's see what happens here. And then as soon as he started to play me and make me feel like he fucked up the trick, I was like, oh man, I feel like a total jerk. But then I was the butt of the joke at the end.

But the point being that we walked out of this baby shower, 150 people, whatever it was, and he owned that room. It was one of the more... I mean, it is a great feeling. And I think that's what's great about magic, is that it made you feel good.

Like, it really feels good. Like, whether you... You know, like you, you're like, I'm watching this skeptically. I'm still mind-blown. But I'm also trying to analyze and figure it out. You know, like, that's pure enjoyment. Some people just watch it, don't want to figure it out,

and just, like, get swept away. It just feels good. It's like escapism. That must be incredibly frustrating when someone is, like, guessing and trying to figure it out and just like get swept away is that it just feels good it's like that must be incredibly frustrating when someone is like guessing and trying to figure it out you're not gonna get it yeah almost like you know the first guy just try and tell me how i did this you were wrong i promise but i get it because like when i was a kid i desperately wanted to know so much that i like became a magician right so i get i get the curiosity does the has the internet been like a problem for the magic community?

I feel like most things are kind of Google-able at this point. Yeah, things are Google-able. It makes, I mean, like any YouTube video, you could watch the best magic trick. You can watch Doug McKenzie doing whatever, David Blaine doing the best thing, and you scroll down on YouTube and it's just a bunch of people, self-righteous, explaining how here's how I did this, this, this, this. You can explain to me how to hit a three-point shot like Steph Curry, too. Exactly.

Arch and stuff like that. I see it. I'm like, holy shit. But there is something to like, I mean, I'm going to have to get to the bottom of that cell phone trick. I will not. If I die tomorrow and I don't figure out that answer, I'm going to be so mad at myself. But there is. I mean, or you would be gratified in knowing like, oh, wow, there is no easy answer.

Like, I can't find anything. Like, some people, like, think they know how it's done, but I think they don't know what they're talking about. It does feel good then to know like, okay, I wasn't fooled by something kindergarten level. It feels like almost like an engineer's mind. Like I have the exact opposite of that. I have a child, like Play-Doh mind, where it's like,

we were talking about this recently with like, just like Earth and the planet. And it's like, you don't want to know like how this thing got here. I'm like, I don't give a shit. It's here. That's how it got here. I don't want to know how this thing got here. I'm like, I don't give a shit, it's here. That's how it got here. I don't care how that happened, it was fucking cool.

I have no desire to try to figure out the mechanics. But I almost like, I want to be a magician deep down. Yeah. I just don't want

to put the work into it. Is it like, so as half comedian, half magician, because I do feel like it's almost as similar, there's a craft and an art

and a community and you know each other and all that kind of stuff. I guess, like, what's harder? Magic or comedy? Yeah. Can you quantify that? Hmm.

Have you, like, come up with new, you know, jokes or kind of, like, your life experiences and funny punchlines that you can all kind of craft, but, like, have you come up with a new trick? Have you come up with a new way of magic? Because that's got to be hard to me, where it's like, a lot of guys have been doing this for a long time. Yeah, coming up with

an original idea in magic takes a lot of work, so that's really, really hard to do. But if it's just doing magic versus doing comedy, I think comedy is harder. There's something a little bit more innate. There's something kind of mathematical about magic. You know, if you're like, okay, can you do a good trick?

Maybe you're not a great entertainer. I'm laughing, but oh, you did a trick. A plus B equals C. Wow, that's amazing. Good. Like that's, there's a mathematical, there's a practice that goes into it. You can become an artist, you know, you put in the time.

But to tell a joke, you know, you can have someone just read a joke out of a joke book. and you're kind of like, okay, that's not funny. So comedy is a little more innate talent. Either you have it or you don't. You really have to work at it. But coming up with an original piece of magic is really hard and gratifying when it happens. So you sit down and you think to yourself, all right, I'm going to do something. This guy said I'm going to do something with cell phones.

Do you think of, is there a formula to come up with something new? If you think of it like music, like Beastie Boys example, so original, the sound. But they're also taking other sounds from the past and sampling and this and this. And you create something that's new out of things that are old. I like to approach magic the same way. So what's an old trick that maybe people haven't even heard of because it's so old?

Or let's, for example, the, let's say, cell phone Russian roulette, for example. That's an old idea. A bunch of bullets and a gun, you know, and you try to avoid getting shot in the head. A bunch of bullets and a gun. That's suicide. That's suicide. One bullet. One bullet.

So what's a way to adapt that trick? So I did one. I do one in my act where, okay, I take someone's cell phone, goes into an envelope, okay, and then I have five other envelopes. I put fake phones in those so they all look the same. We number them. They roll a dice. Whatever number they roll, I just smash the crap out of that one with a hammer and move on to the next. It's kind of like the idea of a Russian roulette, but it's with phones, so it kind of feels – something about it feels new.

But the structure of it is like old, which is nice because then it feels familiar, but it feels new. It's always kind of a good feeling. How do you convince someone to do that? I guess they have the confidence that you are. People, when you're a magician, people trust you. You'd think they don't because they'll say, like, ah, no, I don't trust you. Well, give me your phone then. Okay.

There you go. Well, yeah, because ultimately deep down, like, the desire to probably be, like, wowed or entertained is going to be. They're like, ah, here's $100. Something cool is going to happen. You really could start, like, a cult or something. I know. I would imagine you're married now, but I would imagine that works with ladies as well I would imagine back in the early

Justin days I feel like it goes one way or the other I feel like you could be considered a douche or like she's going crazy right now I feel like if you come in with a crazy one almost like if you use a pickup line or a line can work as long as it's delivered properly.

I think any trick works. I just feel like if you were like, you want to see a trick? You want to see a trick? If you overdo it, I could see people being rubbed the wrong way. But if you do it the subtle right way, it's out of me. That's why you started doing this. Be honest. You just wanted to get laid. Well, when I was a kid, 12, 13, starting magic, I was very socially awkward, so I didn't

even know what to talk to a girl about. So magic gives you a framework for showcasing your personality. Let me work on this trick. Okay. Maybe I'll say something funny here, here, here. Okay. And now, hey, you want to see a trick? How's it going?

And now you're having a conversation in the guise of a magic trick. Once that trick's over, I don't know what we're going to talk about. But it is good. Well, by then a conversation in the guise of a magic trick. Once that trick's over, I don't know what we're going to talk about. But it is good. At least you have the trick. I have hello and then I'm out. Hello, goodbye. As a comedian,

I feel like you got to be prepared to bomb, right? Yeah. Tell a joke, doesn't work. You got to rework the material. Is there bombing as a magician? Where you're just like, the trick didn't work or like

maybe probably not now but early on you'll be like is this your card and people will be like nope and you're just like okay did it wrong sorry there's times where even now if I'm working on a new bit cause in my act there's a lot that could go wrong and I feel like that risk like even just the cell phone

roulette idea like there's a lot of human error that could happen. Really? I could smash your phone. And it's never happened. But I have to stay focused. Like I have to be present. I have to stay focused. And stuff does go a little wrong.

And I feel like there's an art form to covering that up and making it feel like this is exactly how it was supposed to go. Yeah, I think you're just a good liar. That's it. You're just a shady liar. It is lying. Yeah, exactly. But when a trick goes wrong, like if you, just a good liar. That's it. You're just a shady liar. It is lying. Yeah, exactly. But when a trick goes wrong, like if you – like it's worse than with comedy because if you – if a comedian – like if a joke bombs, everyone knows it.

That really sucked. On to the next and now we're back. Pick it up. But if like a trick like if – bad example of Harry Blackstone is floating a light bulb here and someone turns the lights on and the room accidentally and you see the, oh, I see the whole rig now everything, there's no way to recover from it. It's like your pants drop.

I feel like it's almost like getting, especially if it's your big trick, it's almost like getting, be like the heavyweight champion of the world and you get knocked out. And you kind of lose that luster of like, oh shit, he's not magical. Yeah, he's a demigod. He's crazy. Right.

You know it, but you can't see it. Right? Yeah. Like Deontay Wilder. He's like 46 and 0, 48 and 0, whatever he is. In the back of your mind, you know he can lose. You know there are people tougher than him probably. But you've never seen it.

It hasn't happened. It hasn't happened. Yeah. It's like when you are someone like the type of magician you hate, this godly, all-powerful, and a trick goes wrong, that ruins your entire persona. Right. Yeah. How can you say that you are this powerful person?

Does that follow you? And I just saw the card in your sleeve. Yeah. If you have a show or whatever, you get a trick, you bomb a trick, you just forget that and move on to the next one? Yeah. We have to learn from it. Yeah, yeah, of course. But it's not something that will follow you. Or in the community, is that an issue?

If it's some epic, hilarious bomb, sometimes those things can follow you around. But for the most part, as an audience member, unless you crave uncomfortable situations, you want it to happen. Watching it also, you don't want this to happen.

Some of the decisions you're watching, you're like, oh god, I hope this doesn't go wrong. Because it to be loud. Watching it also, you don't want this to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the questions you're watching, you're like, oh, God, I hope this doesn't go wrong. Because it just feels bad. Like when I tried to fuck that guy up, I immediately regretted it. I was like, oh, my God, this would be terrible if I actually embarrassed him in front of people. And, of course, the fact that that was going to happen is stupid of me to think. But, yeah, it's like you'd rather it go smoothly. You want it to just be. You kind of want it to work out.

Yeah. It does feel good. Because you want to be wowed. It's a fascinating dynamic. Yeah. It's very cool. You want it to just be... You kind of want it to work out. Yeah. It does feel good. Because you want to be wowed, like I said. It's a fascinating dynamic. Yeah. It's very cool. You do so many things. What's your favorite thing?

I mean, you have Cupcake Wars, you have... We saw you do some consulting for TV shows. Oh, yeah, yeah. What is, obviously, comedy to show, Magic for Humans.

What's like... What gets you up? Making the show... The live shows, the report shows.. The live show is the most gratifying in the moment because I'm impatient. You work on the show for a whole year and today, now if people are getting to see it. By the way, I'm sorry to interrupt real quick.

Why is everyone crying? There's a couple of emotional things in this. Oh, you searched on Twitter? Yeah. You'll have to find out. Well, that's what's funny is that, like, you – the show kind of is real. Like, it's not a magic show. I think it's a people show.

It's a show that happens to use magic to explore, like, facets of what we deal with as humans, you know. And each episode I kind of get to explore a theme that I'm curious about. So as a new dad, we're exploring parenthood. And I'm almost 40, so there's an episode just about the concept of time. When you're a kid, it feels like time goes by so slow. And now it's like, what? It's already 2020 almost. It's crazy. So there's a lot of just ways to use magic to explore these little things that we all struggle with.

And some of them I think are emotional. I don't know. I like when something does touch somebody even if it makes them cry. I feel like we all like a good cry sometimes. Yeah. I'll be crying. You'll cry every episode. Don't worry.

I probably will. I cry. But you might cry once or twice. What is your favorite trick of all time? Whether it's mine or otherwise. Yeah, just like, yeah, whatever. Well, man, Penn & Teller, who have been some of my idols forever, they do a bit in their show that I saw years ago about flag burning.

It's kind of like about freedom of speech, and it's just about the Bill of Rights, and it's about being an American, and I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but there was something about the way that they used a classic, just this beautiful, simple magic trick to tell like something big and powerful. And I think that left a mark on me just about how magic is an art form that can be so much more than just a trick.

You know, you can tell a big story with it. Yeah, you can weep it in the streets. You weep it in the streets, exactly. Do you have a favorite magician? You know, I'm going to it. Yeah, you can weep it in the streets. You weep it in the streets, exactly. Do you have a favorite magician? You know, I'm going to see him tonight, Darren Brown. He's on Broadway. He's a magician mentalist from the UK. I feel like when you call yourself a mentalist,

you're on that fine line like, you might be a dick, but if you do it right, you know. Can you define the difference between magician, illusionist, mentalist? Well, I'd say like the stuff you're describing from the baby shower where it was. Yeah, I believe he called himself a mentalist. Yeah, like he's not doing, he's not making balls appear and disappear. He's doing tricks where it feels like he's in your head. Yeah.

And like you're like, it's harder to unpack because there's no props, there's no gimmicks. You're like, what's going on? That's like mentalism. And I think that's strong. You're talking about it now weeks later. Darren Brown, I think, is the best of the best. And he's also just an amazing performer and charming and funny. An illusionist, I think you would typically think of tricks that involve human-sized things,

boxes, you know, floating, levitating, that kind of stuff. Typically, you'd see it on stage. And then a magician is kind of... Card tricks. It's like an umbrella. It's like all of those things. I think of myself as a magician, but I do some stuff that is illusion and scale.

What about, like, the stupid shit, like David Copperfield making a Statue of Liberty disappear? Oh, you know, the little... The beginner tricks. Like, the ones that are so... That's, like, epic. I know none of it's actually magic, but it's just, like, this this is silly because it's so crazy.

Have you watched it? I feel like I have at some point as younger. I definitely know of it, but I can't picture it in my mind. Yeah, he's the best at creating those epic one-sentence elevator pitch just larger than life.

Yeah. Walk through the Great Wall of China. A lot of people have never even seen it, but you just hear about it, you talk about it. just larger than life. Walk through the Great Wall of China. And a lot of people have never even seen it, but you just hear about it, you talk about it. David Blaine was frozen in a block of ice. And I think that's why he does those things, because it is stuff that people talk about. Very memorable.

I think that's different, too. Something you can go see. When you're watching on TV, you think that there's, well, maybe they just photoshopped it out. Yeah. When you're there when you're seeing it

I think that's like It was pretty well done the Statue of Liberty you know because I mean he did it you can watch it. How'd he do it? I mean he didn't

How'd he do it? Where'd he go? He made it look like it disappeared. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was pretty cool. Is there truly a code of like a magician

never tells his tricks? Like have you ever You sit around with your buddies and you're like I'll tell you how to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We talk shop. I always think about

the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. Oh, yeah. Is it Anton Yelchin? It's one of those, one of those actors and he's like, I won't, he refused to tell Larry David

his trick. Just fucking tell me. He's like, just tell me the trick. Come on, man. Before we let you go, last question. Prestige or illusionist?

Ah, man, they're both great. Come on. But prestige all the way. Yes, thank you.? Ah, man, they're both great. Come on. But Prestige all the way. Yes, thank you. I mean, we would have had to fight if you said Illusionist. And I'll tell you what. Prestige, man, everything they did in that movie, for the most part,

it's all practical, happening. You don't feel like you're watching a bunch of special effects. And then Ed Norton, you know, materializing and dematerializing. I thought the funniest part about the Illusionist is when, you know, a big crowd sold out to see him. He just walks on stage, sits down, crazy shit appears, disappears. Good night. It's like that was a two-minute show.

That's the end of the act. I've seen The Prestige so many times that I kind of forgot about The Illusionist. I knew it by name, but I forgot what exactly happened in it. The Illusionist is fucking dope. The Prestige is. The Cast fucking don't. The prestigious. The cast and the story. Come on. But what's sad is that to create that whole plot line

that sets up the end of him destroying himself every time to teleport, they had to make it seem like magicians kill a bird every time they make a bird cage disappear, which is not true. That has given magicians who use birds a bad rep. Pete has been on your ass. He's been on every show.

Well, I still think Joe Bluth would be the greatest illusionist of all time. It's an illusion, Michael. This trick is something a woman does. I love it, man. It's great stuff. So season two is out now, Magic for Humans. Be at Caroline's this weekend.

Be at Caroline's? I come see you Caroline's. Come see it in person. Can you tell me how Doug did the foam stuff? I can't. Would you ever reveal another magician's tricks? No, I would reveal something of my own before I'd reveal another magician's. But Doug's stuff is pretty damn...

You gotta tell me I'm not like that. I don't know. Doug's stuff fools me. As a magician, there's a very... Being fooled is a really great feeling because you – I've been doing magic for like 25 years, so I kind of know how a lot of stuff is done just by nature. So when you see something you don't know how it works, it's like – it's really great. That's the premise of that Penn & Teller show, right? Penn & Teller Foolers, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

I mean when those guys get duped, it must be like a big deal. It feels good because that's the feeling that made you want to become a magician in the first place. So it's kind of nice to get back in touch with them. Well, we appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot. Thank you guys so much. Tweet your crying pic after you watch season two. I'll tell you what.

We have both tweeted pictures of us crying in the past. So we'll do it again. Turn around. Look at what you see. In her face. The mirror of your dream. Make believe I'm everywhere. Give it in the light.

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