KFC Radio - Zac Efron & Jeremy Allen White || We Chime in on the All White vs All Black NFL Team Viral Debate (Again)

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

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moment for me with the latest all black versus all white NFL thing going viral where I'm just like we're running out of internet I just feel like it's something we did so long ago

and it's just like it's all cyclical, time is a flat circle and I don't know how much more is left but seeing that go viral and watching the difference And I don't know how much more is left. But seeing that go viral and watching the difference from our original conversation. We first had it in 2012, 13, 14.

The podcast started in 2012. And I think it was like 100 episodes in, which is probably like 2013. Oh, yeah, because we were doing weekly. Yeah, we were doing a lot of that. So like 10 years ago? I think when it was first asked, we were like, I don't know if we can answer this. Well, you know what's funny is I feel like we answered it then, and then I feel like there was a long drought where we couldn't ask anybody that.

And then if you look at Answer the Internet, we asked Tom Segura, Chris DiStefano. We asked guys that we were sure would be comfortable answering it. I saw those clips in the group chat of a few people answering it.

There were definitely some black people who answered it. Oh, yeah. Black people. I'm trying to wish i found a few more uh our drop box is just a mess yeah yeah i know we definitely asked it to to some black dudes who would just like have a fucking field day with it i want i mean it would be right now if we dropped a supercut of all the comedians and all the athletes all the people we have answering this question, it would be fucking perfect for the internet right now. It's something we've been cultivating for like a decade.

But the league, it depends on when you answer the question, really. Right. At the time the question was asked, well, I don't know. At the time the question was asked, we had quarterbacks on lock. Yes. I don't know. At the time the question was asked, we had quarterbacks on lock. Yes, I don't think there was. I don't know if there was. It was maybe Michael Vick, but he was probably out of the league at that.

He was having trouble. Yeah. Maybe even beyond that. It was, you know, for my entire childhood, it was like Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Rashard, not Rashard, Cordell Stewart. Yeah. Right? Those were like the guys.

Culpepper came in a little later. Yeah. Steve McNair. There the guys. Culpepper came in a little later. Yeah. Steve McNair. There was guys, but it was like – At that time, I don't think there was – Right now, as it's been broken down by people who follow football more closely, right now it's pretty much a toss-up quarterback. It wasn't a toss-up.

There were black quarterbacks, but it wasn't a toss-up. That's it right there. There were black quarterbacks. That was a thing. Now there are just quarterbacks. And they're white and they're black and they're good and they're bad. People used to say black quarterbacks. It's fucking insane.

The big debate was always we would win quarterbacks, but we would lose tremendously on cornerbacks. But even then, Adam Archuleta wasn't still in the league, was he? No. I always went to CBs. But last one was 21 years ago. No, that was Jason Seahorn. Archuleta was a safety a little later than that, wasn't he?

Archuleta. Adam Archuleta. I don't know that. Yeah, I think so. Seahorn was 21 years ago? Seahorn was the last white starting Oh, no. Adam Archuleta. I don't know that. Yeah. I think so. I mean, I don't – Was Seahorn 21 years ago? Seahorn was the last white starting quarterback, yeah. But now – I had a Jason Seahorn jersey when I was a kid.

Hell yeah, man. Do you remember that story about Jason Seahorn and his wedding ring? He had to have it snapped off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like a little known fact, like a fun fact about Jason Seahorn. His fingers were so mashed up he needed an open and closing ring for his wedding. Jason Sehorne, white Jewish guy cornerback. Like, that has got to be.

He's Jewish too? No way. I think so. Like Jason Sehorne? No? It's got to be. Look, I mean, I think so. Maybe not.

It would say it. Yeah, it would say it. That's great. You go to Julian Edelman's page, I promise you, it says he's Jewish. You're right. You're right. That's great You go to Julian Edelman's page I promise you It says you're Jewish You're right You're right That's fucking great And now though

Like The fact that I mean I said it A couple weeks ago When Christian McCaffrey Went bananas He would be

A top pick In the racial draft Right now A white running back Doing what he's done In this league Is So that Like You know Aside from Mike Allstott And now a white a white running back doing what he's done in in this league is that so that that like

you know aside from mike allstott and peyton hillis for like a minute right white running back yeah yeah it was it was fullbacks but there was nobody like christian cmc no cmc changed the argument as much as as much as like all the black quarterbacks changed the quarterback conversation, CMC changed the quarterback conversation. Dude, in Will's breakdown, when he's like secondary, Chris Maverick's going to have to go two ways. It's so goddamn funny. He's like, I'm going to play both sides of the ball, CMC. Have you seen it? No, I didn't watch the full thing.

I saw his breakdown. By the way, I love that we're at a place where like, this is a couple years ago, this is not as well received. Oh, well, at the same time that we did the draft, you know, whenever we did it,

no, we didn't do the draft, we just had a conversation. Sports SB Nation had done a Madden simulation of a white versus black game. And they deleted it. Because they didn't want that to be like, you know,

they didn't want it to be used against them or whatever. That was no longer on YouTube. But they had done – I remember their debate was like something between like – I think it was who got Jimmy Graham for tight end. We got Gronk. And it was like do we – I mean exactly what happened. Where Will was like the halves and the halvesies. When he was calling the halves, I was like, this is something legit a couple years ago

that you would get, like, in trouble for. And when he was like, do they clean up and do they say it or not? Do they clean up and not say it? I was like, I'm just thrilled to be in a place. Even when I tweeted a couple weeks ago about McCaffrey, about the racial draft, and I guess, you know, these are things that people don't know. People don't know what the racial draft means anymore. They're thinking I'm talking about, like, actually drafting based on their race, and it's not a skit.

There were a lot of mad people about that. I was like, oh, boy. Maybe we're slipping back the wrong direction. And then I had my faith restored in humanity with Will. Which is also such a good example of how it's kind of funny to get worked up about like what people get mad about. Because everything is just like – again, what we're talking about with YouTube, which is like you work your way in how culture accepts now. But it's ever-changing. Like it's – it'll come back.

It ebbs and flows. And like it's like, all right, for these few years, we don't make these kind of jokes. For these few years, we make these kind of jokes again. And then we don't and we do. And then even within that, it's like situation to situation. Yeah. It's like, I don't know, this time they didn't. Right.

This time Will said it. Will, maybe the way he said it or how he said it, it's funny. So, like, it's good. Yeah. You know, if someone else says it with a different tone, it's bad. But. I think Puka Nakua's a little cleaned up. I don't think he says the word.

I think he should get to play with us. What's funny, though, is Rashard Mendenhall... Oh, he was not joking. Right. It came from a place of actual... What Will did, actually, was kind of cool in the sense of it came from a place of racial hate

and turned into racial fun, which is not easy to do. Maybe we're in a good spot. Now, Tom Segura was very much on the record of anytime, anywhere, any era, any year, it's always the blacks are going to win. I mean, that's – That's probably a safe bet.

Probably. But I don't think it's – Well, I mean, you got a few years where – like what was it? What's the Shane joke about when USC came and stomped Bama? Because USC had a bunch of black guys and Bama was like, all right. Let's do this. We're going to have black guys on the team now.

I guess there was a time there that maybe there weren't enough total black players. Yeah. Where like the USC had a few guys, but if you picked up guys from the whole SEC, maybe you can still – it's almost like what Delaney Walker said about this with coaching. He was like, it's not fair. You guys just started letting black people coach a few years ago. No. It's not that they can't.

It's that we didn't let them. Yeah. black hole coach a few years ago it's not that we didn't let him yeah yeah um yeah a lot a lot of good loopholes a lot of good arguments i i loved it i love seeing it that that was something when we did it that i don't even think i paused in the moment but i think i i think there was a little was there because i feel like then was it was okay to do it but uh i'm trying to it's so hard to find all our old shit because we never like archived it or whatever and then we deleted so many blogs because i know there was a blog about it and then i found i'm pretty sure it's in it's episode 101 so if anybody out there knows how to go through the archives and find those

because i think we have to delete them from youtube it's just a mess trying to go that far back but i would love to see our original conversation it's probably it's it's on the back end of youtube i could dig it up that would be uh the you see the clip of pat babs on it i i say this i think every time he comes up i don't think anyone on the internet makes me laugh as regularly what do do. What did he say this time? Love gang. Rowan asked him for the NBA version. For the what? For the NBA version. Let me find it real quick.

That's an argument that super changed as well. No. It didn't. Yes, it did. We need to have a white versus black Pro Bowl. Do we not include Europeans? I'm curious how it will go in the NBA. Built to ass.

That response is so good. Built to ass, man. I heard you. Point guard, Luka. Two, Chet. Three, Laurie. Four, Sabonis. Five, Joker.

Coming off the bench, Hero, Sangoon, AR. Gordon Hayward. Porzingis. Five. Joker. Coming off the bench, Hero, Sangoon, AR, Gordon Hayward, Porzingis, Chris, everybody. Everybody. Luka and Jokic are gonna like... Luka and Jokic are probably the...

I'm trying to think of when the league had its best handful of white guys. Even when it was Larry Bird, I'm trying to think of when the league had its best, like, even just handful of white guys, you know, because even when it was like Larry Bird. I mean, like, my initial gut reaction was like, I don't know. I bet the whites could kind of throw together a team too. And I saw that.

I was like, oh, there are two guys I've heard of. Just because I've heard of Luka and Joker. I was like, I bet there's probably like a couple of good white guys. There's got to be a third, no? I mean, the third is probably Chet, like you said. That's crazy. That dude's 180 pounds, right? That's crazy.

But I think that Luka and Joker are the two best players in the NBA. That's what I'm saying. But after that, it's like 50. It's tough. Also, Europeans, you can't count that. I know. Europeans certainly count as whites. So that's what I do.

When I said... That's the homeland. That's where we all came from. I root a little bit differently for like... He's right. Agreed 100%. They're not Americans, but they're whites. came from, bruh. Now, I root a little bit differently for like... He's right, too. He's right, too. Agreed, 100%. Yeah, they're not Americans, but they're whites. Listen.

They're not purebloods. They're mudbloods, okay? It's like in Space Jam, they're clear, you know? When I was doing the racial draft with McCaffrey, I was like, he's got to be the number one pick. And I was like, I don't know about Joker. And people were like, that doesn't count. I was like, well, then what are we going to have? A whole third thing? White, black, and European? Yeah, he's got to be the number one pick. And I was like, I don't know about Joker. And people were like, that doesn't count. I was like, well, then what are we going to have?

A whole third thing? White, black, and European? Yeah, that's European. You go to Europe, and it's a bunch of fucking white people, man. I mean, that's crazy. I didn't even know that was ever even up in debate. Certainly, yeah, I don't root for him as hard. I stay for my Americans.

But, like, I look at it like, that's a white guy. Well, no, but Italians aren't white. Italians are, no, but, like, Italians aren't white. Italians are white. Italians are not white. Italians are not white. Italians, like, Spanish, Brazilian, that kind of shit. Spanish is definitely white. I would not call a Spanish guy a white guy.

Most Spanish guys are white guys. I mean, like, Latinos, no. But most Spanish guys are white guys. Yeah? There like, Latinos, no, but most Spanish guys are white guys. Yeah? There's no, like, exotic Spaniards? I mean, there are, but, like, Spain is a predominantly white country, I think. Okay. I mean, if I saw, like, a tall, dark, and handsome Spaniard, I would not say he's a white guy.

Like, Paul Gasol is white. I don't know. Pull up a picture of Pau Gasol. It's exactly what I was talking about with Joker. Pull up a picture of Pau Gasol. He's a white guy. I was laughing at Pab's reaction. Pau Gasol.

Yeah, he's a white guy. Yeah. Folks, that's Hank. That's a white guy. But if I saw a dark Italian guy, I'm not calling that a white guy. I think most Italians are white too. I think we're thinking – Well, I mean, of course they are, but I'm saying when I classify – when I'm like white guys, I don't think of like a Portuguese guy.

No, but like – I don't think of like a Portuguese guy. No, but like – I don't think of a – But again, I think like who are you picturing when you picture a Portuguese guy? I don't know. There's not many famous Portuguese guys off the top of my head. They're like Danilo Gallinari is a white guy. He's Italian. He's a white guy.

But there are Italian guys that I would never be like that's a white guy. It's basically just like your complexion and your style. Yeah, yeah. Let's just make the rule this. If you're white, you're white. That's not a bad idea. That's not a bad idea. But then it's like – because then you run into the all first team

like racially ambiguous, you know what I mean? Because there are black guys who have – who are light skinned. And then it's like the Jimmy Grahams, the Blake Griffins, the Steph Currys. There are probably Italian guys who are darker than some of those guys. That was Will's great parameter. If you say the word, you can play. You don't play with us. If you don't say the word, you can probably play with us.

Right. Right. I almost think there needs to be something along those lines. I love him going, but yeah, you should probably play over there too. Yeah. I love him going, but yeah, you should probably play over there too. I feel like there's something, there's probably a guideline in my book of like, do you worry about the sun or not? Like if you put on sunblock, if you need to worry about, if you know what SPF is. Yeah, what is your SPF? The Italian thing, like Danilo has to worry about sunblock, but I have to worry.

But there's some Italians who just put olive oil on their body and soak in the sun. I guess it's like a southern and northern Italy thing. It's almost like the genders. There used to be a time, if you have a dick, you have a vagina. If you like to have sex with men, you like to have sex with women.

All these things have mashed up. That's kind of happened with race and how you identify and all that. Do you worry about the sun? Rachel Dolezal was early for her time. Yeah, she was. She really was. I had a field day with that woman on the blog, and then that became common.

Not common, but at least more of a regular thing. We had a big fight in the milling office once where I was like, David Ortiz is black, and they were like, no, he's Dominican. And I was like, well, he's still black. I don't know that one either. He's not African-American, but he's black. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think he would want to be called that.

I think – Then you'd think I'm Dominican. If you asked him, what are you, I don't think he'd say I'm a black guy. He'd say I'm Dominican. Yeah, you're probably right about that. That's true. But then that's almost like, what do you identify as? I don't think he'd say I'm a black guy. He'd say I'm Dominican. Yeah, you're probably right about that. That's true. But then that's almost like, what do you identify as? I don't know, man.

You know the answer. All I'll say is, what do the cops call you? What do the cops shoot you or not? Jesus Christ. Well, we asked the boys down at the precinct. Which weapon? Would you use a taser or your full-ass gun first? Which one?

I think when it comes to that, I think the Dominicans get touchy about that. Because then there's Puerto Rican guys who are light too. And then you get into the whole thing with Fat Joe. Like, you know, why can Fat Joe say it? It's like, Fat Joe can fucking say it. He's fucking Joe Crack that time. Come on.

One of the greatest rappers of all time. Gave us Don Cartagena and Big Pun. He's from the fucking Bronx. He's a rapper, he can say it. Come on. I mean, who am I to give out the card? Speaking of race, I saw something fucking hilarious this morning. There was a guy dropping off a package. The guys were working at the grocery store and packaging everything.

You were at the grocery store this morning? What's up? Oh, you were just walking by. I'm just walking past the grocery store. And there's a white guy delivering a package. And he says, there's four Hispanic guys all packaging things. He said, gentlemen, four or five times, no response. He just goes, papi, all four of them turned.

He made a decision. He had somewhere to be. And it worked out. I got the job done. That is fucking great. Yeah, listen. They didn't take offense to it. They're probably like, what?

These are things that maybe the world is coming to a better place. Who knows? I would say that, but I also then saw it ties in nicely to what we were talking about last episode about how we were in the era of just hanging out with the homies. Yeah. Tinder rolling out $499 a month subscription. $6,000 a year to be on Tinder. And the kicker is they tell you if you're allowed to pay them that.

It's in the top 1% and you have to like have your profile this active with this many pictures. And then they're like, you're chosen to be. So those people are like, ooh. And they pay them fucking $500 a month, $6,000 a year. That actually isn't that much I don't think. What? It's obviously a lot for a dating app. But if you're a person who's very active on Tinder, if you're kind of the person who's going to get this invite as it seems like you have to get invited by being active and stuff like that, it seems like it's something you spend a lot of time doing.

$500 a month for like almost anything dude think about your bills the only thing that's over 500 bucks is your fucking rent don't get me wrong it's not for a sane normal person with a logical brain it's not a lot of thing but again if i'm thinking if you're using it all the time like like if if one day you got an invite And this is probably back in the day I think it's kind of lost its luster a little bit with us But like If you had the money to spend And Twitter was like We have exclusive Twitter for you

It's 500 bucks a month But like it's the best people on it I don't know if I had the money I'd be like dude this is what I spend most of my day on I think there's something to – Particularly Tinder has the goal of like if you're that active, it makes me think you're actually looking for either love or fucking. Marriage or whatever. You're probably like addicted to both.

Well, I spend $500 on a night at the bar, like at a club, on a dinner. Like I guess I might as well just take – Well, that was kind of the point too though is like if you are just looking to fuck, you can spend your $500 in a much more direct way than – But even that, like I don't know, right? Like again, if the people who are so active – I just can't imagine what they give you is that much more effective than a regular app. I would agree with that. So it's like they were like you get like – I think your profile gets like pushed out to more people.

So maybe that is better or it's like – it's kind of like the algorithm and you're buying like YouTube views. Right. You get blasted out to more girls or more guys. That seems valuable. Other than that, I think it was like you get more likes or some bullshit like that. Well, that's nonsense. The league, you know the league? The one that's like – the one that was like – this is only for – it's not Raya, but it's like the league was like you have to be like an entrepreneur.

You have to be rich. You have to be – that one is like the most exclusive. That one has an option for $9.99 a month. That one I think had three options that was like – it was like minimum like $2.99, $4.99, $9.99. Bro, if you're paying $1,000 a month for a dating app, you got an affliction of some sort. Yeah. You're either desperately looking for a husband or you're a guy who is absolutely addicted to pussy. Yeah.

That is fucking bananas. Because again, I think that the regular – You're a guy who kills every woman he fucks. Yeah. You are – yeah. You're a serial killer and you're using that to find your next victim. Because just having sex with the same woman is way cheaper than I thought. Well, maybe not.

I don't know. Well, and then that's when you run into the age-old question of like everybody pays for it. Yeah, the question of like do you pay for sex used to mean like a hooker. And then the guys would always joke, well, I'm either paying for it up front or paying for it afterwards. Now it can mean you're paying for it for a or paying for it afterwards. Now it can mean you're paying for it for a third-party app that will filter it to you. So again, as the world evolves,

the answers to these age-old questions continue. I want to be clear. This is something you never in a trillion years would do. But I can see inside the brain of someone who's like, it's actually not a bad financial decision. It's not the worst financial decision.

Again, particularly for a New York person, if it's a night at the bar, a good night at the bar. If you're like, I'll get girls to the club, you're sure you're going to spend $500 there. Yeah. Or if you're going to go to two dinners. I just hear so much about the people on the apps who are already like – it seems like maxed out. Like I'm going on like six dates a week and like I guess if you're just – if Tinder is on the low being like, we're going to start connecting to a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, I assume that was it. Yeah, like if you're doing like AI shit that's like we're scanning all the pictures, these are the attractive people.

Because I don't know how else you'd really, you know, how else you can do that. Oh, I figured they were just openly saying that. No, it's like – By you have to be selected, that's telling me we're picking hot people. That's absolutely – Yeah, well, I mean, yes and no. Because it was also like there's just things that you have to have your profile. But I think that's almost they're putting in the fine print.

So they can, when ugly people start to sue them, they can be like, oh, you weren't this hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're making the boxes that they didn't check. So you think you're paying $500 a month to just be included in the hot people club? Yeah. I think that if you're hot, you don't need – that's where I think it's like – What you need is the ugly people who want to get to the hot people. So I don't think they're inviting the hot people.

I think they're inviting the tier down to be in the hot people club because the hot people aren't paying fucking $500 a month. They're just like, I get this shit for free. That's a good point. That's a good point. So this is probably targeting average ass dudes or even ugly dudes with money who are active on the site and it's like, we'll put you in the cool kids club. Yeah. And I guess that there are plenty of dudes, there are plenty of people who buy friends,

who buy their social life, who buy their girlfriends and all that. So it's not new, but it's usually a little less direct where it's like, hey, I have a nice house or you want to go on my boat or whatever. To look your fucking app in the eye and be like, you're targeting me to pay to get into the cool kid club, the hot people club. I don't know. It's a bridge i couldn't cross good you know hats off to anybody who can i think what pav said the other day is the the most i've ever felt like good about the next generation is hearing that you know it's just about like hanging out with the boys yeah they're not i mean i was thinking about like when i was making one

minute man i was thinking i was having like an extended conversation that we had. Like pickup artists were like a thing in pop culture. It was like what are guys – Like he was a loser. Yeah. Well, I mean we think that. There's a lot of people out there that were buying, books, documentary, whatever, about these guys that it was celebrated in a way. Every crew had the one guy who was like, dude, I read the game.

And if you were a good crew, you were like, dude, you fucking suck. No, the book is good. The guy who implements all that stuff is the problem. You're not the guy. You canlements all that stuff is the problem you're not the guy you can't spot the asshole at the table the neil stroud the game is an interesting book just because of the lifestyle those guys were living and it's like reading about people in the goddamn circus but yeah the minute that when i i'll never forget when i first uh read something that said hb10 and i was like what what's an h what does that mean like i didn't that was part of like their lingo and it was

hot babe 10 like they call it an hb8 hb9 hb10 i was like if you ever say that literally seriously to someone like it's also just like reinventing the wheel. People use the numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why are you adding HB? They talked about it like it was a football scheme. They'd be like, let's go open up that two set of HB10s. Let's go talk to those girls. Oh, my God. They had a whole –

You know that very simple number – what do you call it? System we have? We're going to add numbers to it. It's a word letters to it. I can't talk. But now that's like – that would be – even when people were kind of making fun of that like tongue in cheek, it was still a thing. Now I don't think that would ever even exist. You know what I mean?

I would imagine by now that would be like a tiktok account or like shit like that i feel like that's just gone and it is just about you know hanging with the crew dude my buddy told me uh this past weekend that he's like yeah me and my friends wanted to have kind of like uh uh like a douchebag weekend or whatever you want to call it for new year's so they're like going to miami and they're doing a table and they're doing all this stuff. Where at? I'll be there. Really? I don't know the answer to that question. I'm not doing Miami doing Miami. I'm with Chrissy's family.

But he was explaining to me, and he was very upset about this. He's like, we got a table. We got a nice table at wherever the fuck they got a table. And then they send you a list of girls i think he said he has they have 40 submissions thus far and they the girls apply and it's just and it's just like you pick who will be there he's like he's like it's so weird and so bro like i just got the bachelor party i went to like they it wasn't it wasn't like a list beforehand, but it was like we're going to go to the club and it comes with bottles of this, bottles of that, like this many seats and like 10 girls. And I was like – and then they just sat there and drank our booze all night.

And like they were pretty. It wasn't like anything crazy where like all of a sudden it like changes your night because because everyone's like, oh my god, who are those guys or whatever. And then if you wanted to talk to any regular girls, it was weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guys who were trying to hook up were like, well, there's all these weird standoffish girls on their phone drinking all the liquor at our table. So what the fuck are we doing? So everybody just was standing at the bar or on the dance floor or whatever, not using any – You guys just bought a table for what the fuck are we doing so everybody just like was like standing at the bar or like on the dance floor or whatever not using i just bought a table for dead chicks yeah yeah and i

mean you know the guy thought he was doing the right thing and i just paid whatever like my my portion of it was but i was like thanks for nothing i wasn't even i wasn't even drinking the liquor i was buying because i was like i not going to just walk back and forth every time I want to drink. So I stood by the bar with the regular people and paid for my own drinks. Fucking insane. You got boxed out, dude. What else do we got? Dude, I have – to start the new year, I'm going hunting with Sydney Wells and the Wanton Don.

And so I'm in a group chat and she just asked how we're doing on our – Like prep? Like our hunting licenses. I haven't even opened the thing, obviously. Oh, Sydney, Sydney. If this requires paperwork, there's no way this is happening. licenses and i haven't even opened the thing obviously oh and donnie sydney if you if this needs if this requires paperwork there's no way this is happening donnie goes i did five chapters yesterday i was like bro you did what yesterday i mean i guess it makes sense that's just serious

but how like just like i'm hunting in louisiana i have to do at minimum five chapters i'm sure it's much more than that what does that mean like he read by or minimum five chapters. I'm sure it's much more than that. What does that mean? Like he read five or like he did work? I'm sure it's like a fucking sexual harassment seminar. He just clicked through. But I bet you it's kind of not. I bet you have to be able to answer some of those questions because they don't fuck around with that stuff. It's not like sexual harassment where it's like you know the fucking answer. Like don't fuck.

Maybe it is. Maybe it's like don't shoot the endangered animal. But Dick Cheney did, good or bad. Yeah. But it might be like you encounter know, you encounter this animal. Can you shoot this or not? And you have to be like, I don't know if that's endangered or not or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll say this right now. If there's a decently involved test, I don't think you're passing it. I don't have faith in, like, anybody for a deer to pass that. This is not in our blood, bro. I don't know. I like anybody for a year to pass that. It's just not in our blood, bro. I don't know. I'm not a test taker. I'm not good at testing, yeah. You can give me a test on New York City or something, like how to survive in the wild out here.

What to do in the subways, what to do with the homeless people, what to do with the police, what to do with the traffic, all that shit. I'll probably pass it. You give me something about the wildlife down there, I got... I got nothing, dude. Fucking nothing. Are you hunting something specific or just going hunting? Yeah, we're hunting duck.

I don't think I could kill an animal. I think I can kill a duck. Why are you throwing shade at a duck and not calling it an animal? I like to eat duck. I like to eat fucking cow, too. Yeah, but it's just so big. It's a size thing. Yeah.

So ducks are bigger. You'd have a problem. Yeah, if ducks could, like, walk and stuff like that. Ducks can walk. The phrase is, if it walks like a duck. That's a good point. I hope that a duck walks right past. There's a whole little family of ducks waddling by you and then sitting there.

That I just have to club to death. Oh, my God. I think actually a duck would be hard to shoot. I think ducks are kind of a cute little animal. I feel like you – I mean I guess it's one of those like spray things. But I feel like you obliterate a duck with a gun. I don't think so. I think it's a spray shot.

But I think – who knows? I might feel some type of way afterwards. I'm not going to hit it anyway. Were you – yeah, clay shooting was not your best. Yeah. When I saw John clay shooting, I was like – I'll be honest. It's funny. I'm laughing at it.

But like I'll be honest. I think it's really hard. I'm not going to give them a hard time to do it. But then I watched all my friends do it in Canada, and they all hit like everyone. Really? Bro, I was going with, like, guys who do sporting clays. And they were, like, I mean, they were hitting them. But, like, not.

They were not frequently. No, I had a couple. I mean, like, just throw that bottle through the air from 50 yards out. That's what I said. And then I watched some of my friends who were scrawny and not – I was like, they're not even good at this. I wasn't doing it because I can't even fucking hold shit. It is – that, I can say, has been greatly exaggerated by cinema.

Is that like the kick? I was firmly planted. I was ready to get thrown back. And it's like. I still think you don't. I don't think you understand that you are as close to like a human Hulk as possible. Am I wrong? Am I overestimating this?

Like John acts like he's me. You know, he's just like, you know, it's fine. It's like, yeah, because it's hitting into your stone shoulder. It's like Will Compton, a fucking 10-year NFL vet, is like, yo, you're fucking yoked. I'm starting to think John's on the fucking – on the gear. No. I think John's on the gear, man. If I was, I'd say it, and I'm not against it if anyone has a guy. No, no, no.

Bro, if you were to be on sauce, you'd be an actual fucking meathead. I can't. We already kind of – we just – perception is reality. Like you have a PR issue where we just joke about like you being fat or like not acknowledging that you're fucking ripped. So people just like think that. Yeah, but it's also just like, I mean, I don't care. Your arms are filling out the cable knit sweater. That's crazy.

Your arms are filling out the cable knit sweater. If I put that on, that would look like a fucking blanket. You look like the fucking rock, dude. I mean, it's crazy. He's huge. But also, like last night, I couldn't fall asleep at 5 a.m. There's actually, I was thinking about it. There's a Dan Soder joke in Son of a Gary where I never really understood it.

We were talking about people who can't fall asleep. He's like, it's because you're not eating late enough. I always thought that eating made you like stay awake. I cannot fall asleep unless I eat. Yeah. And last night at about 4 a.m. You need like a treat at night, right? Bro, I ate a bag of chips, a bag of blue corn chips, three popsicles, two cookies.

What's crazy to me is the – At about 4.30 this morning. Like the sticker – there's no more sticker shock for me with the volume of food that you ate. You could have said a billion things. I was just going to gloss over it. But it's the choices. Like a bag of just blue corn chips is fucking – said a billion things i would i was just gonna gloss over it but it's the choices like like a bag of just blue corn chips is fucking like you didn't dip it no that's insane

and then to follow that i'm not disgusting kevin follow that up i woke up i woke up with all the empty wrappers of those things in my way what was the third popsicles and what two popsicles uh the two cookies, but like from Westside Market, but I had those same cookies. Like wrapped up? No, I brought the bag. You know like you buy cookies where you kind of roll the top down and it's there in like a paper bag? Yeah, but that's like Pepperidge Farms. There's a lot of those.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah. The same bag as a Tate's bag, but it wasn't. Okay, okay. They were made by the market. Got it. And I had – so I had that bag in bed with me, the blue corn chips in bed, and two popsicles.

Tortilla chips, popsicles, and cookies is like, if I'm going for a snack, I want the ice cream, and I don't want a popsicle to go with that ice cream. And then I definitely don't want to have chips to go with any of those things. There's no rhyme or reason.

It's just madness. Like chaos. It's just madness. Yeah. Like chaos. It's just – You're eating as a chaos theory. It's just fucking all over. But I do plan it. Like I'll go – I'll have some popsicles and then I'll do some salty

and then I'll do it back to the popsicle and I'll go to the cookie. I mean I respect that there is – That was what I did last night. You're like the Anthony B bourdain of trash pandas you know like you you do have this this menu if you will you do have this code it's just for you know just just disgusting when you go to sleep with a lot of food like if i eat late at night i almost die in my sleep i feel like my body like doesn't digest it or something like my body goes to sleep and it like completely shuts down and i just wake up and have like the food in my stomach oh yeah

okay okay yeah for sure i just wanted to make sure that was yeah and you just are okay with that yeah because i wake up i wouldn't sleep otherwise i'm like i think i'm like puking in my sleep about to die because it's like there's just like food like in my no i don't get. I just wake up with a rock in my stomach. Yeah, I just... And we're sure we're not pre-diabetic? Yeah. Well, I mean, last time I went to the doctor a year ago. Yeah, I hope I'm not either. You're good because of that muscle thing.

Yeah, I mean, that was told to me by a non-doctor friend. Well, as we know, doctors versus non-doctors are basically the same fucking thing. Seriously, at this point, it's like every... I mean, it was by every – who fucking knows? I mean it was by a psycho who like monitors – he has the glucose thing that diabetics have. Oh, right, right, right. He just doesn't have diabetes. He just likes to monitor his glucose.

When you said that, I just assumed it was – Wait, like the thing that sticks in your body? The patch. He has a patch on his arm. You can opt into that? I don't know if it's – I guess I don't know how it works. I was going to say, how did you even get it? That sticks in your body? The patch is a patch on his arm. Like a permanent patch? You can opt into that? I don't know if it's permanent. I guess I don't know how it works.

I was going to say, how did you even get it? It's just like some black patch up here. And he's like, yeah. That's crazy. He's got an app on his phone where he's always monitoring it. Who is that? When you said it, I just thought it was. No, no, no.

I just figured it was the fat guy that has diabetes problems. So he's in shape? And he just doesn't really monitor? But he's not in great shape. He's in shape. Crazy, man. While we're on the topic of health, I guess, when we were debating on Forstall Radio about giving up a kidney,

who you would give it up for, I saw this story go re-viral about this woman from Long Island. I think it was like 2012, so a little while ago now, but it just went viral on Instagram again. Who, her boss had like a kidney disease. I saw this. She donated a kidney, and then after that happened, she got fired immediately. And she's now suing. Did you read, like, the details on the case?

No. No, no, sorry. I assumed she donated the kidney to the boss. She donated the kidney to a stranger just so the boss could move up a slot on the donor list. What? Shut up. And then the boss fired her. So she said, I will donate

my kidney to you. And they did the test and they were like, you're not a match. Was he number two? That's... That was my point. If she moved up From like 31 to 30 Because you donated

A kidney to some bitch In Idaho Wait her boss was a woman Yeah this is This is all women Oh Even grinding there Right

Yeah Yeah It was I knew it was a woman Who donated I thought I figured It was to a guy I would imagine

That probably has to be You probably have to be Same sex No really Maybe not Jordan donated To a guy Yeah yeah yeah That's right That's right Yeah? Maybe not. Jordan donated to a woman. Oh, Jordan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's right. That's right. Yeah, it was a woman who donated to a woman, which, yeah, it does make you – I don't know if that was a sexist assumption of me or a feminist assumption of me. That women kidneys can – No, that the boss was a man. Oh. So I think – I honestly – I think it came from a place that he's a dickhead.

It's got to be a guy. I don't think it came from the boss as a man. That's an interesting exercise though. Yeah. What? The boss has got to be a man? No, the asshole has got to be a man. I can't tell you where it really came from, but I'm pretty sure that's where it came from.

He's an asshole. It's an asshole. It's a guy. No, well, but if you think about it this way too, it makes sense with girls. It's like when they turn on a girl. It's like we're best friends and then they just – I watched a video the other day of a duck or not a duck but a bird. A mom just picking up its baby and throwing it out of the fucking nest because they do – it's called like thinning or something like that, herd thinning, where it's like we have a family of three ducks. One of them is like we have a family of three ducks one of them is like uh born with a

deficiency and if we have to like drag you along like we're we're a threat we're we're weak to all predators so we just gotta get rid of you that's what the kennedys did I'm going to call it I think that's the funniest thing God's ever said I think that might have been The funniest moment Ever on this podcast That was so off the rip

Like that Like so quick That was really fast That was fucking unbelievable You would have thought It was scripted or something Like I You do have thought it was scripted or something.

You do have good Kennedy humor. You have a lot of good Kennedy jokes. The fast boys stick together. Unless you're Rosemary. Bro, I saw another thing. They were just talking about how the guy who invented the lobotomy won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the end of the tweet was like, it is widely regarded as the biggest mistake in modern medicine history. It's relatively recent. I thought lobotomies were invented in the fucking 1600s.

It was like Rosemary was one of the first ones. They were just like, I don't know. Your brain's fucked up? Let's just put an ice pick in there. Maybe it'll stop. She was just like a slut. She was just like acting up. She was just like a party girl.

Wild women rarely make history unless you're Rosemary. That's the first lapotomy ever. Then you're in the history books for good. No, wait, wait. No, no. It's not. Wild Woman exclusive. Yeah, well-behaved women. Well-behaved women.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she proves that. Right, right. Well-behaved women rarely make history because they're not getting lobotomies from their dad. Fuck, what was I just gonna say i forgot whatever on tiktok they recently had videos like going around to people who were lobotomized and it's like how did anyone think like yeah we fixed them all of them they are just gone in the eyes it crazy. I don't think I've ever seen a lobotomized person. It's like – the one I saw on TikTok, I was like, this is horrifying. Anyway, if I donated a kidney, first of all, I ain't donating a kidney to my boss.

These people who get like hooked on coworkers, even in a place like here, where we're probably way more friendly, and there are certainly people who are family here, at the end of the day, these are still fucking coworkers. You know what I mean? Here is definitely different. Definitely different.

Because so many people moved here for this. Sure, sure, absolutely. But there is also a world where there are people who will probably talk to each other every day, that if they were to get a new job, you would just float apart. Oh, no one who I was friends with at Barstool who doesn't work at Barstool anymore do will probably talk to each other every day that if they were to get a new job you would just like float apart oh no one who i was friends with at barcelona who doesn't work at barcelona anymore do i ever talk to exactly i mean if me and you break up not that i like don't talk to him it's just like we don't really if me and you break up we'll probably talk like once

every six months yeah that's okay that's okay that's just how it's supposed to be it's like my best friends in the world when i was growing up i talked to like twice a year i mean and but we're not like crying over it we're just like yeah i don't know what's up man yeah this this weekend my friends i was like when was the last time i saw you my like like my literal best friends i think two years ago and we haven't spoken since literal best friends like i think that's more of a guy thing girls like always make sure they keep in touch they can talk shit about each other but guys are are can go far far but so my point being that like you could be like oh man i i work with this person every day i gotta save them and then you know you get laid off or something and you never talk to them again uh that's if i gave my kidney directly to them if they then said to me, oh, my God, it sucks.

We're not a match. But, hey, you want to just give it to a stranger so that I can move up a little bit? Actually, I'm at the point where I'm like, joke's on you. Like, fool me once, fool me twice. If you still agree to do that, you know what it is? You know what it is? I bet that woman was like, as a boss of this company, I don't want people like you. You're too easily persuaded to do stupid things.

I can't trust you. You're fired. But my god, if I gave someone a kidney and then they fired me, I would take the kidney back. I'd be like, I'm cutting it out of you. I can't put it back in me, but you no longer get my kidney. I'm burning your house down and stealing your fucking kidney. Genuinely, like knowing – I was first like oh that guy's an asshole um but now like giving it to a stranger there's something wrong with you like you gotta have like a senior complex or whatever yeah like you were yeah well

hoping that was covering for something well remember that that woman went viral a couple years ago when she gave a kidney to a stranger and then didn't get enough praise for it no that was the best that was like a big, like Twitter thing. She, she, uh, she had like a long post or Reddit or something where she just signed up.

We did it on KC radio. Uh, she just signed up like as a donor, found a fucking person, gave it to him, like anonymous, all that shit. And then was like,

nobody, nobody said anything. It was like, yeah, anything it's like yeah bitch like nobody fucking knows or cares you did this to your fucking self uh that that was but there i think that was pretty like hotly debated because there were people who were on her side it's like fuck no don't do don't listen you only get you know one set of organs and i understand there's two kidneys but there's only one set of kidneys that's's it. Shit might go wrong. You need your backup. But, you know,

shout out to Jordan for doing it for her dad. And last thing I want to talk about is Zack Snyder. Oh, crazy, dude. Zack Snyder. I'm not a movie freak. I like to watch movies. I don't know enough about, you know, to know all the directors and shit.

All I know is every time a Zack Snyder movie comes out, it sucks. And he tells you that there's a secret special version. That's awesome. Is he still eating off 300? Was 300 his last, like, good movie? Yeah. And his first good movie? When I was reading the comments about people arguing, the only people arguing in his defense say 300 and something about Dawn of the Dead.

Yes, Dawn of the Dead. People are like, 300 is awesome. Dawn of the Dead is awesome. Is it the Watchmen show he did? Oh, he did the movie. The Watchmen movie, actually, I think if the Watchmen movie came out now, it would be, I think, awesome. So you've got to give him credit there. And it is awesome.

It just didn't get the publicity in the box office because it was just ahead of its time. But when your last couple movies absolutely fucking suck and you're... His Netflix movies were sick. Well, that's what happened with his latest one. They weren't trying to be anything more than like it was like Army of the Dead or something.

It was like in Vegas, zombies. I haven't seen it, but know what david yes they have to extract someone from the middle of like that was vegas i actually fuck with zombie movies too i should watch that that was the one that uh that's really good dalia got fully edited out of that's that's tough um you just can't do this like twice in a row you know yeah you can't be like my kind of three times in a row right You know? Yeah. You can't be like my cut. Kind of three times in a row, right? Did he do the Flash? No. Did he do the Flash?

The Flash. Wait, I'm under the impression the Snyder Cut was Justice League? Yes. Yeah, Justice League. Was there also a Batman vs. Superman thing, though? I don't think so. Okay, so it's Justice League and then this.

But when the Snyder Cut... I have never heard... I've heard of the term Director's Cut, right? Yeah. But I've never heard of the Scorsese Cut. I've never heard of I've heard of the term director's cut, right? Yeah. But I've never heard of, like, the Scorsese cut. I've never heard of the Christopher Nolan cut. They just make the fucking movie. Yeah.

And then there's an extended version that's, like, five hours, and it's like, here's absolutely everything for the weirdos who want to watch everything. Lord of the Rings has that, too. Like, here's everything we filmed, you know? But the movie is the movie. And if your movie sucks, you know but the movie is the movie and if your movie sucks you know and i uh i always i do go back to his daughter dying is fucked up like his daughter died in the middle of of of the last one oh how's everything yeah yeah i do i do forget that i always do this i yell about them like fuck

wait a minute so that is tough so it's like you know that totally fucks your shit up and then the movie's not the same but why can't you just be like i don't yeah movie you know wasn't a good movie why is that why does it have to be yeah i mean like you would think at this level you would have it written into your contract like particularly after it happened with justice lee i would think again even being a successful director before that you'd have in your contract like, it's my movie. Right. What I make. One or the other.

It's either like he needs to do that or the studio needs to – like there just needs to be an agreement. Like I have power or you have power and then like – and there's no more after that. There's no more talking about that because it it torpedoed the whole fucking thing. I don't think if like a studio would say, and again, we're talking about Zack Snyder not Scorsese or not fucking Christopher Nolan, but like,

I don't think a studio would tell them, we're going to make some edits to this. Well, apparently this one was like they wanted it PG-13 and he wanted it to be R. So his version is R. And I'm like,

all right, what? There's a few more curse words and some violence. Like, I don't think that's going to change the whole thing. Hey, Zach, let's put it on Barstool TV. Barstool.TV, Zach. The Snyder Cut. Let's go.

We'll put that on Barstool TV. $9.99. Don't worry. It'll be on the On Demand tab or maybe the Watch Now tab or it could be. You know what's funny? We universally all agreed that thing sucked and I bet there's no one

making any changes to that at all. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Absolutely not. Not one person is thinking, hey, we did get 120,000 downloads or whatever, subscriptions. We should utilize this again,

but we should make sure that by the time we do it again, it's good. Not one person's doing that. Crazy, man. Speaking of directors, Christopher Nolan had a quote recently but we should make sure that by the time we do it again, it's good. Not one person is doing that. Crazy, man. Speaking of directors, Christopher Nolan had a quote recently I love. He was asked about the state of cinema, and he was like,

what do you think of it or whatever? Do you think it's good? And I think they were probably fishing for an answer like, no, it's terrible. He's like, I just made a three-hour long movie about Robert Oppenheimer that was rated R and half of it was black and white, and I made a billion dollars. I think it's pretty good. I was going to say, if there's one dude to ask that, it's like, I do whatever I want. And people seem to love it. So maybe not for everybody else, but for me, it's pretty fucking great.

It's his best movie ever financially. It's wild. Speaking of movies, should we address our guests today? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Whoops. Today, two fellas joined the program. You may have heard of them.

Zac Efron and Jeremy Allen White. If that ain't the most KFC radio thing that we ever just did do right there. KFC radio thing we ever did do is have two of the biggest and probably the one hottest fucking movie star on the planet on the show today. And 45 minutes in, we talk about it.

We should put something up top. If you've made it this far, you will have heard an intro. But just know that we went back and put that in there. Zac Efron and Jeremy Allen White not in, unfortunately, on the show. They're not in person. It's over Zoom. Crushes my soul.

Hurts me to the core to do Zoom interviews. I'm a goddamn purist, and I need it to be in person. Hopefully one day that will come to be with at least one of those guys if not both of them again but we got him over Zoom to talk about Iron Claw which is out on December 22nd and I think it's gonna like well I guess Oppenheimer and all that it's a big year for movies but Iron Claw feels like it's getting a lot of

momentum I went in knowing nothing which I think I've said to you is a new thing I'm doing with movies. Yeah. That's my favorite thing to do. Salt Burn or whatever. It's the way to – Salt Burn, I did it with –

Leave the World Behind. Leave the World Behind. I did it with something else recently. And like I used to be a trailer guy. I don't know if you know the website. Trailer Drive. TrailerAddict.com. I used to spend like most of my day on TrailerAddict.com, just watching trailers.

And now I'm just like, oh, okay. So I didn't know anything about The Iron Claw. And it was a wrestling movie. I didn't know even what the tone of the movie was. I was like, I don't know if it was just like the fellows getting fucked up and wrestling, or I don't know if it was about the drugs, how a lot of wrestlers fall into that world of addiction.

It is not about either of those things. It is about the Von Erich family, who if you're wrestling, you know it. God damn, look at that that it's fucking nuts efron is a ma efron is is very much i can i think in his i'm an actor era which i respect because he is and like you kind of almost have to like he's for sure trying to get that nom get that i don't even know if it's that i i you know i've often thought about this where like i think we always say like just do the whatever. Even when McConaughey started doing True Detective and Dallas Buyers Club, shit like that, where it's like just do the thing that makes a ton of money for your life.

You just get bored. Yeah. And also I bet you get like – Especially him. Efron, he's been acting since he was, what, 15 doing musicals and singing and dancing and shit, and then eventually do some comedies. He's done it all. It's almost too – you want to be like, well, also, by the way, I can – it's like what Adam Sandler does where once every five, ten years he's like, hey, by the way, I'm fucking awesome. Especially – I mean Jeremy Allen White has always kind of been this guy, but he was, I think, like a Juilliard or something.

He did ballet. He's done it. You know, these guys are arts people. They're not, you forget sometimes. Cause it's like, you know,

all right. Yeah. I did high school musical or like I did Baywatch, but it's like, I'm a theater kid and I want to like, you know, make people fucking cry. And I want to,

I want to be nominated alongside the greats. He's, I mean, he owns this movie. It's very, very, very good. I, I really enjoyed it. I, I wanted to see it with Cle greats. He owns this movie. It's very, very, very good. I really enjoyed it. I wanted to see it with Clemmer.

Clemmer popped in. He said it's behind number four or five of his favorite movies this year. Wow. So, yeah, we got them on the show. It is via Zoom. There was a delay and kind of like an audio issue where like the volume like it was just fucking

it kills me man we'll tighten that up yeah yeah yeah yeah but I just I just know that if those guys were in person it would have been an entirely different vibe

and a and a hang almost so maybe one day we'll I know Jeremy does Jeremy Allen White still live in New York or is he in LA now I would guess LA

I mean he's pretty New York? Or is he in LA now? I would guess LA. I mean, he's pretty New York through and through, though. So we'll check out the boys on the back end. But now let's get into our voicemails. Wait, before voicemails, should we make the announcement? What's the announcement? This is the last episode of KS3 Radio ever. Is this because it doesn't?

No, it's because we don't have contracts anymore. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. What? By the time we come back, we will have no contracts. There's no way a contract is getting done on the break. No one's even talked to us. I have not had a single conversation about my contract.

When we get back, we will be doing the show for free, which is slightly less money than I make now. It's going to be me, Jackie, and Pavs in here. I almost think maybe we should protest or something, and when they're like, where's the episode, I'd be like, I don't work for you. What are you talking about? I don't work here.

It's probably not a great look for us that no one's mentioned well well erica did erica mentioned erica's like we know your contract's up and i was like okay and then that was it i don't know if that was her firing me i tried like a year ago and they and and they put something in front of me that like didn't really make much sense or like we couldn't figure out. And then that just disappeared. But I was like – I honestly don't know how it works. I don't know if I get paid when we talk.

No, it will keep rolling because there have definitely been people who have gotten fired and not fired and money just keeps rolling. It's straight out of – we're Milton in the office. We fix the glitch sort of thing. I was kind of like in my head playing a game of chicken i was playing like a one-sided game of chicken you know like who's gonna blink first it's like trying to play chicken with a stationary car that's not driving they're not even in the car they don't even know that they're playing and then i just i don't know crash the car into it and i'm like oh okay i crashed the car i guess i won or lost i don't know erica like

probably like three weeks ago erica was like hey we know your contract's up talk to dave and and i was like okay and then when we were in chicago i heard dave was having contract talks and i was like he's probably gonna talk to me so i can't decide whether that i mean it's obviously and then i was about to say i can't decide it's – I mean it's obviously – I was about to say I can't decide. It's obviously an enormous slap in the face. Enormous. It shows how – but on the flip side, I think it's just like they know something is going to get done. But I'm like, I don't know.

Is it? What if you come back with a number that is like crazy to me? I'm like, wait a minute. I don't know. I don't want to work for that number. You know what's happened is they've taken the shot caller off the dogs. They're like, wait a minute, I don't know. I don't want to work for that number. You know what's happened is they've taken the shot collar off the dogs.

They're like, we know he's not going anywhere. Yes. That's it. No, listen. Listen. There are like two things. There are two things.

That idiot is still in his defense. You ever see those dogs? That's me. I'm like, whoo, whoo, whoo. You ever see those dogs like they put like a.

Look at him. He thinks he can run away. They put them in a box. They tape them up in a box. Like they tape the floor. And the dog like looks around like he's trapped. That's us. I'm trapped by the tape.

I can't leave. Two things I've done my whole career here, which I wholeheartedly regret and i will never ever tell anybody to do is um one uh not have an agent everybody who's had an agent here always like gets better contracts and gets what they want and nobody who doesn't have an agent is ever like bro i've never negotiated and that was kind of my second thing is i've never – I've shut down any sort of like anybody who has ever shown interest or any sort of outside conversation even about employment, about opportunities. I was always just like I can't, whatever. Have all of those conversations. Have the meanest, most annoying agent.

Have like all of those things because that's the only way to get what you want they they come to me i yeah i got i've literally never negotiated they just show me the paper okay i've negotiated like once where i countered and they said yes so quickly that i was like oh that means that number was low which means that first number was insulting so maybe i don't know maybe we'll be back maybe we won't who knows imagine if they were just like well yeah we're not renewing you i mean what i got a tip of cap that would be very funny if they were just like yeah i mean your contracts are up we haven't talked to you like you thought you were going to get renewed

we talk to people who we care about like a year in advance dave is always like we are famous for renegotiating contracts and ripping them up and extending people when we want to keep them gonna hit up just media boys oh my god imagine what's that that's the mean girls those fucking assholes the other day uh josh sent me a clip. Jordan says something like, you have something to announce to the world. And Alex goes, I'm pregnant. And they cut the clip. And then like the full thing of it was her going like, I'm just joking.

I'm not. It wasn't even like it was about a pregnancy story. It was just literally a made up. There was a whole different story. I would never listen to a pregnancy story. It was just literally a made-up – there was a whole different story. I would never listen to a show again that did that. It's just like, yo, I got a crazy story. Like somebody died and you tune in and it's like, that didn't happen. Historically just blatantly lying to your audience is not a great way. Not – it's not it.

To be clear, we actually don't have contracts. But yeah, that is all real. That is all very real god i wonder if they'll even hear like when do you think we get contracts because i again i was kind of playing chicken and i definitely lost this game of like i wanted to see how much or if they valued me enough to be like, hey, we saw your contract is coming up and like we have an offer for you. Obviously, that didn't happen. So part of me was like maybe it's on me. Like am I supposed to go to the employer and be like, hey, I still want to work here, but I don't think it is.

But now I'm running into the problem of like, hey, I need all my paychecks and benefits and all that sort of shit. I don't think that runs out or changes, but maybe. Two, if we have any sort of incentives that are for bonuses, I want to start working on those. You know what I mean? It's like if I have a bonus based on how many views or how much money One Minute Man makes, I got to keep doing those. But if I'm not going to get that, I don't fucking do it. You know what I mean? So it's like I got know what what we're doing i'm actually the opposite i'm okay

letting it go for as long because then back pay like i imagine the contract would start January 1st. Like, fuck, I'm not signing in August. I'm going to give a shit. It's so – I just – we were watching Dave and Will argue about Will's agent. And, like, Dave talking about how much he hates him and stuff. And it's like – I hate agents. I like fights. I just say a number. He signs the paperwork. Yeah, I know.

That's the thing. It's like you hate the agent because, yeah, you like suckers like fights. I just say a number. He signs the paperwork. Yeah, I know. That's the thing. It's like you hate the agent because, yeah, you like suckers like us. But then I always thought to myself like one day it will like be rewarded or like acknowledged. No. Never. No. Yeah, that is my lesson. Don't ever do anything

out of the niceness of your heart when it comes to work. You work to make money. Don't give your boss your kidney. Really. Metaphorically and literally, don't give your boss your kidney. Voicemails. What do we got? Last voicemails ever.

When we come back and don't have contracts for like two months, every episode, like this last one. Yeah. We'll go till March. Voicemails today

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I think this is the first ever umbrella rain voicemail. Oh, yeah. That's a crazy move to be walking in the rain and be like, let me get this question right. I mean, it's got to be about the fact that you just talked about how you're in his umbrella, right? Maybe. Maybe. I wasn't really listening because I was focusing.

I was trying to figure out the background. Can you bring it back about 10 seconds? I just want to hear. Hey, guys. What's up? I've got a story that leads into a question for you. So I do a football poll every year where you just pick the winners and losers of every game every week, and it's got about 40 people in it. And my grandmother, who has no sports interest

beyond watching curling all the time, expressed that she'd be interested in playing with us this year. So I let her join. And sure enough, we're only, what, 14, 15, or sorry, 15, 16. And she is in second place in the football pool. And so was facetiming her the other day we were talking about the monday night football game and she asked me my opinions on the game and i go give her my opinions whatever blah blah doesn't matter and she said okay yeah that sounds good that matches up with the opinions of the guy that i found online and i said okay interesting do you find an expert pick an expert analysis expert analyst or looking at their picks and stuff to get some help and she said yeah i found this one. He seems to be pretty good. And so I asked, what's his name?

And she said, oh, it's some, I don't know. And so she said, I don't know. It's some Brady guy. He's got four kids or something. And so I said, oh, Tom Brady? Is that the guy? And she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one. And so, yeah, it's week 16.

And my grandmother just found out who Tom Brady is, and she's second place in the football pool. So my question for you is, has there ever been a time where there's an activity that you like to do or something you enjoyed to do, and you showed it to your family member of yours or a friend, and they either got way too interested in it way too quickly or they got way too good way too quickly, and you might have thought, maybe I shouldn't have shown them this. Yeah, that's it. Viva.

Probably. Way too interested way too quickly happens to me all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, just like, I don't like sharing. What's worse, that or people being really good at it? I think I find humor in someone being really good. I think like a sick where you being really good. I think a sick where you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter at all.

Clearly. No matter how much effort you put in. When people take... I just don't like extreme emotion. When someone's like, this is amazing. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I like it and I told you about it. But that's too much. It happens all the time. Music. Music, I think, is a big one. When people get into a music person, they just go obsessive. Movies, I feel like. All that shit where it's like, yeah.

Oh, you're just going back and watching all that now? Fuck off. I think it's two very different things. One, I think, can be annoying. You're just going back and watching all that now? Fuck off, you know? I think it's two very different things. One I think can be, like, annoying, like, you're bothering me. One is, like, fuck. God damn it. You know, like, I've been trying to do this for so long, and you can just naturally do it. Yeah, yeah.

If it's physical, that would bother me, but I don't really do a lot of, like, physical things anymore that I share with people. I guess for us it would be podcasting. Yeah. Hey, guys, you should all try podcast. Yes. I mean, your grandma kicking your ass at your NFL pool is funny. Bro, my dad and my brother were at the Pats Chiefs game the other day, and my brother said the people sitting in front of them were, like, just hammered chicks in their 20s.

And he's like, I'm smart. I know when someone's, like, being sarcastic or, like, being, like, girly or whatever. And he's like, they were. Is your dad or your brother? My brother. He's like, they were genuinely, like, why isn't Brady playing? And he's like, they were, my brother, he's like, they were, the girls were genuinely like, why isn't Brady playing? And he's like,

I wanted, he's like, they were shit-faced and screaming like, just put in Tom Brady. And he's like, he's like, they didn't,

he's like, again, I was there for four hours. I was trying to process like, is it a bit? Are they a joke? He's like, they were genuinely like,

put in Tom Brady. And I wanted to fucking throw myself off a fucking ledge. That would drive me fucking insane. That makes me happy to know that's what the fan base is reduced to. Yes, give me more. Give me more. Good morning, guys. Just a quick question with a little bit of a backstory.

I currently live in Ohio, just a small town or village with maybe a population of 200 people. What? We have a post office, a bar, and one homeless guy that rides around on a lawnmower, merging Wi-Fi from everybody's houses. I plan to move out of state by August of next year, but there's always going to be that place in my heart for that small town living or you know that small town usa feeling um you guys have traveled quite a lot during your time with barstool so i was wondering if you had any stories or situations that highlight that small town usa USA feeling. Yo, let me say this. If there's a town of 200... That's not small-town USA.

That's not? No. Small-town USA is bigger than that. Oh, okay. That's like... I was going to say, if you have a town of 200 and there's one homeless man, build a guy a house or something.

There's one of you... Wait, did he say that? Yeah, he said there's one homeless guy who rides around on a lawnmower stealing Wi-Fi from everyone. Or just one of the families needs to be like, you can live with us. When he

moves out in August of 2025 or whatever his plan was, homeless guy gets his bed. That's fucked up. 0.5% of the population is homeless. That's a big number. Bro, that is 200 people. You're like one of those like when you hear like the indigenous clan has never seen like anybody you know yeah

exclusion is the first time they've ever seen anybody i don't even know how like do you have a grocery store like to the 200 people is not enough for like a factory to deliver to that spot to bring food you know what i mean that's like i've read like you're on your own percent i think of america lives within 20 minutes of an amazon facility um they can they can deliver you in 20 in 20 minutes or half hour whatever it is uh it's got five percent this is the yeah but he didn't sound like some Appalachian inbred hillbilly sounds like a normal ass dude 200 is so nuts

that's like you're inbreeding at some point think about it 200 people 50 of them are babies 50 of them are ancient and there's like 100 in the middle and only a couple of them are good looking you're fucking your

family yeah for sure this guy's absolutely fucked his family member there's no way around it a bunch of just inbred you know incest freaks um i mean i can't what's the smallest town we've ever been to like yeah i was gonna say with most of the travel we've done milwaukee i don't know like these are all major cities i I've never. Small town. The smallest town I've ever been to was, I think, Meadville, Pennsylvania, is where my dad's dad was from. And that was, like, a big steel mill factory, locomotive train, like, industry city town. And then when that moved out, it was, it's just, you know, empty. But it's still, you know like a a bustling metropolis

compared to a movie theater it had a fucking you know a mall it had you know everything so i mean let me look up the population i'm sure it's like tens of thousands compared to 200 meatville population yeah 12 800 oh wow but i mean that's small but like you know 200 is population. Yeah, 12,800. Oh, wow. I mean, that's small, but like, you know, 200 is nothing. Is Meadville, Pennsylvania a good place? It's a safe place to live because everybody there

is fucking dying. Everyone's dead. I mean, even like I was trying to think from like Blackout Tour stuff like I got 200. You know, anywhere we would have gone would have been a place to make money, which means there's more than 200 people there. If we came to your – if you can promise that your entire town will come to the club that night, maybe it will be worth our time.

200. I mean, my parents are from a well not from but live in a very rural town now and I think there are 200 people on their street right

right 200 people is like you know church on Sunday rural one of my least favorite words in the English language the rural church the rural church

the rural church last voicemail for the for the history of the podcast. What's up, boys? What's up, Jackie? Platonically, of course. So I've got an Emma the Asshole story in question.

So my last date I went on a while ago before my current fiancé was – I was in the city, and it was going well. And then this chick towards the end of the date, she was like, Hey, I got something to show you. So I was like, okay. And, um, out of her purse, she pulled out this hat, a very specific hat. Uh, it has just a white hat. It said 1988 world series on it, you know, no teams or nothing. And it was signed at a bunch of places. And my dumb ass goes, oh my God, I had that exact same hat. And I used to get drunk at bars and get people to sign it. And she goes, yeah, you idiot.

I signed it. You gave it to me last summer at some beach town in South Carolina. I was like, what? And, uh, needless to say, the date kind of went South from there. Um, she was legitimately upset that i didn't remember her and i got weirded out she didn't tell me so the am i the asshole question is am i the asshole for not remembering her and getting weirded out by that or is she the asshole for going through this entire date process and the date and not telling me uh

side note i'm gonna miss that fucking hat. She's the asshole. She's 100% the asshole. If someone's dealing out the apparel they're wearing at a bar, they're shit-faced. You can't be expected that they're going to be like, hey, sign my hat. You're doing a fun bar thing. That's like the equivalent of you danced with me

at a bar once. I don't know. I danced with fucking everybody. I was goofing around. I had people sign in my hat. It was a fun – I think that's a great bit. I think it's a great bit. It's like, hey, we're all sharing this moment. Sign my hat.

And then he probably was trying to get laid with this girl back then. Hey, you can keep it. I don't know. Whatever. To match and know that. Was it a first date? Did he say? Doesn't really matter.'s it's yeah it was

an early date yeah uh that would weird me out to such an extreme that has to be the first thing you say yeah or the never thing you say right you never bring that up because you missed your window when people say like oh like i i like they say it romantically almost how we've joked about how like your grandfather's story is like i asked her out 100 days in a row and she said no every day and she finally said yes and people like that's so romantic and now it's like dude that's fucking insane so creepy where it's like if you have a girl reveals 10 dates in 20 dates and however many dates in like by the way i've i've been like, pursuing you for this whole time. Like, that's fucking weird, man.

I thought we were just – I thought we were meeting each other and you've been pursuing me. Right, right, right. That's fucking bizarre. What do you think about if a real-life movie situation ever happened to you? How to lose a guy in 10 days, a she's all that, a you started out as a bet and then I fell in love with you. I think I'd be more okay with that. I think I'd be so okay with that. Because it's –

I think if someone explained that to me, first of all, I would be like, oh, it's like she's all that. Yeah, right. Like I've seen this before. So maybe that has happened in real life and – But I feel like that's almost – like that's like you had something that pushed you over the edge to make contact or whatever it is versus like something that's just been looming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's – yeah. Like if – in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days and She's All That and stuff, the entire relationship like started under this thing.

Whereas he has had this like secret one-sided thing going the whole time. That's weird. Yeah. But if someone was like – I guess She's All That kind of sucks where it's like – I don't really remember She's All That. She's All That is like you have to take the ugly, lame girl to prom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the joke is that she just takes her glasses off and puts her hair down. But that means that like prior to this, you were like this girl is fucking awful.

That sucks. If like How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days came up and it was like, I picked you out at a bar to, like, trick you for my boss or whatever, and you turned out to be awesome and I love you, I'd be like, oh, okay. Yeah, I'm fucking awesome. I know. I just – I'm always screaming at the TV in those scenarios like it's okay he didn't think it was going to happen and then it did now he likes you that's kind of the opposite of what I always say

with criminal minds with Hotch Hotch's wife is always so mad at him he's trying to fucking stop the serial killer he's stopping a serial killer what are you talking about he's busy can't come home and have dinner.

There's like a tweet going around that is like the villain in a Lifetime movie is always some guy who's like, what? Babe, no. I can't just drop everything and leave work for this weekend. I'm closing a $10 million deal that will set us up for life. And the good guy is just the dude who was at our hometown when she got there. That's so true. Dude, I was watching a Christmas movie with Maria Menounos, one of those Lifetime movies on Netflix.

Terrible. But it's the same sort of thing. She's trying to get her book published, so she tricks a guy or whatever. Maria Menounos is so hot. Yeah. Oh, my God. Boston gal. I think this movie was made last year, so I was like, oh, my God.

You are. That chick belongs in the Mount Rushmore all-time Hall of Fame. Maria's queen. She has acknowledged Marcel, right? Yeah, she had some stuff with Dave. I don't think it was positive. I could be wrong. Well, whatever. You're still super hot. Yeah, she had some stuff with Dave. I don't think it was positive. I could be wrong.

I could be wrong. Whatever, you're still super hot. There was that early days where Dave was like, fuck. It was a bad Boston contingency of Boston celebrities. Oh, Michael Chiklis, Dane Cook, Maria Menounos. They were all like, let's go Brady. Let's go Celtics. It was like after the Affleck-Damon era. Right.

And then I guess before Dave. See, if I, in that situation, would have been like, fuck Dane Cook, fuck Michael Chiklis. Yeah. I would have stopped there. You, you're okay. You can keep doing whatever you want. All right, guys.

It's been an amazing 11, 12 years. We love you all. Thanks so much for being a part of the ride. Paz, what are you going to do? I don't know. Maybe like... You could still do Out of Order with the other guys, I guess.

Yeah. I feel like that show would greatly suffer without you. Plan B needs a producer or something. What are you going to do? Plan B, maybe. That's not a bad idea. That'd probably be pretty good for you, Paz. I'm going B needs a producer or something. What are you going to do? Plan B, maybe. That's not a bad idea. That'd probably be pretty good for you, Paps. I'm going to tell you and Jackie something.

If Plan B comes to calling. Listen, our contracts aside, if we get signed and we don't get signed, if Plan B comes to calling, you go. What's the name of the Mean Girls new production? Yeah, Just Media. Just Media. We'll all go over there. Yeah.

All right. We'll see you guys in the new year, maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? Okay, today's interview is brought to you by Straight Talk Wireless, the presenting sponsor for today's episode. One of the biggest we've ever done. Jeremy Allen White and Zac Efron talking about all things Iron Claw.

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We'll get into the movie because it is, you know, there's so much that's very serious and kind of dark and obviously tragic but that aside doing a movie like this with the fellas where you guys just got to get all jacked and hop in the wrestling ring and just like hang out with your boys and all that uh how much is that fun or is it i mean i'd imagine it's also a lot of work it was fun man yeah it was really fun man it was a great experience it's you know there's um there's the moment when like a great director like sean durkan comes up to you and tells you he's got you know a really special script and then also kind of at the same time drops the bomb that it's in the world of professional wrestling and you know it's a that's a pretty vulnerable position to be in physically

yeah sometimes you're like i don't know there's some glaring differences between the uh the von eric's and i think that's not true i think i think zach got pretty much the physique of kevin von eric i think the rest of us were uh. But, you know, we all did our best. I'm sure. You guys are both beefed up. Zach was on another level, bro. I mean, it's insane. You're a freak.

You're a freak. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's like the Super Bowl, you know, for us, man. So I got to prep for eight months for that. Yeah. You had a vascular chest. You looked like Logan. Like, the very opening scene when you're getting out of bed, I looked like, like Logan, like it would,

the very opening scene when you're getting out of bed, I was like, those veins in his fucking pecs. Where the hell did those come from? I didn't know that was possible to be honest. You know, what's cool is, you know, we have the benefit of before takes being able to kind of like pump up.

And I mean, I think before all of our, that's true. We had a lot of weights around everywhere outside the trailers you had an ice bath outside and we would all do that during lunch and that became one of nice man yeah let's get set up yeah dude i'm like rocking with anticipation thinking about getting a quick pump in with the boys before it's seen it's it's good motivation man if you ever want to get motivated to work out

you know tell someone you're going to film this film of an important film you in your underwear yeah i'll write that down if i want to get in shape i'll get a massive movie to hire me wait you actually just mentioned the underwear that i want i was wondering if i i would i would venture to guess that in film history, this probably has the largest amount of briefs on scene, on camera. Like not even counting the wrestling spandex, like briefs. We had a lot of briefs going around. A lot of briefs.

Was there any thought put into wardrobe where you're getting like your good dick briefs, your bad dick briefs? Because we got those. Everybody's got those. I asked asked i remember for the wrestling stuff i was like i was like to the real wrestlers did they do something or they just like on their own or and everybody was like they're on their own and i was like then we're on our own jeremy got in the ring rock hard he's like this is how they do it I think you can't help but have that moment Do I slip something in here But

You know They stayed on during matches too That was one of the Things that like I was There was no layer of protection under there You know it's like No no no We got a real audience out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's the strongest? Who's got the best body? Who looks the best? Well, no, it wasn't a question. So I don't think we have a lot to that. You're pulling yourself short. You're acting like, you know, you didn't put in any work yourself.

I saw you on set. I did. I ate more and I lifted stuff. But no, it's the truth. Dude, you had a killer transformation. It was wild. One of the cool things in the movie is Jeremy's got these I think you do it a couple times.

He does these overhead push-ups from the ground oh yes oh yeah uh like those are hard to do man like i can't i can't get many reps in those i was impressed man you blew out like 10 15 in one take and then again when you were uh doing that shot the cake stand oh yeah i was there i was there watching that scene and like we it was lily and i we had coverage so the camera was watching us watch him and you just kept going. Yeah. You just kept going. It was unreal. I tried to do one of those ones in college and fell right on my head and

never tried again. It doesn't usually end up with like Yeah. I had a lot of help. I had a lot of help too had a lot of help too yeah yeah you talked about the transformation zach you guys even you even look like you run in the late 70s early 80s like like i don't know if it's because of the wardrobe because of the setting because of the hair like jeremy when you're leaving um olympic training and zach you're like going on your first run in like kind of the opening shot i was like those dudes look like people from the 70s running i don't know if for i don't know

why i thought that i don't know if something happened shorts that everybody had on all the time i think there's some association that happens and it definitely had a lot of that going on and the rocky three cut off shirt oh yeah we had little crop tops going on which felt very rocky and sure look like you're probably doing well i mean all the all the stuff we had we had such a great uh wardrobe hair and makeup department but um all the stuff was i mean legitimately uh you know picked from like really old um yeah it was all vintage all vintage stores so it was all legitimately old stuff authentic yeah yeah you didn't uh you didn't grow up watching much wrestling did you zach were any of you guys coming in with like as with a as a wrestling

fan background because there's there's such a tragic side to it but the wrestling world is so like fun and theatrical and ridiculous and it depends on you know if you're coming in as a fan or not did you watch growing up a little bit a little bit it wasn't really something my parents were stoked uh to have my little brother and i watched because and that era was like you know not safe for parents. Yeah, I was, I guess, I guess like, you know, Hulk Hogan was around and, you know, like there was a little bit, I was aware of it, but not nearly as much as I am now.

We've got a whole new appreciation for the rest of it. Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, I think, I think Harris, you know, who plays David in the film came in with like, you know, he knew Chavo. He was aware of like that, that family and dynasty Chavo's the guy who, who taught us everything that we kind of learned for all that ring stuff. And, um, but yeah, I learned about professional wrestling through, uh, learning about the Von Eriks. Like they, they were kind of my introduction to, to the world. I mean, I was aware of like, you know,

the big guys, but, but the most wrestling I've watched ever is, is the Von Eriks wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. We, we've,

we've watched a lot of tape and then also since then, I've just, you know, it's kind of expanded. We've seen a lot of the great matches. Chavo Guerrero is our, was our, you know,

coach for this. And man, he is a savage going back and watching his matches. Chavo Guerrero was our coach for this. He is a savage. Going back and watching his matches, he is just insane. He's amazing. We have a lot of respect for the sport now. I think it's just getting better and better. I'd imagine with a lot of wrestling fans who are going to go see this,

you guys get into the WWE universe now, you're going to explode. I think fans will love you after this. No? I hope so. I hope so. We'll see. We worked real into the wwe universe now you're gonna explode i think fans will love you after this no man i hope so i hope so we'll see we worked we worked real hard on the wrestling man it was uh you know we cared about it a lot the von erics were like you know they really kind of pioneers they they um kind of revolutionized wrestling uh you know and a lot of pro wrestlers tell us that like john cena and i did a film together and

um he found out that i was playing kevin and he was like bro these guys are my heroes you know i worshiped them growing up and um he came to the LA premier did you see him after I didn't see him after yeah right yeah oh nice do you like it he did it is that's awesome yeah it was pretty good um that Kevin von Eric said he liked it right and that was kind of your whole thing Zach yeah man yeah it's pretty special to uh to play somebody, you know, still alive. And, you know, it's in the back of your mind or really the front of your mind the whole time that you're working, you know, that they're going to see this eventually. And I mean, it doesn't always work out that they're pleased with the end result. You know, sometimes it can go the other way.

But Kevin was over the moon. I think that meant so much to me. And, yeah, that's everything, man. That's like a dream come true. Yeah. I think you mentioned last night on Seth Meyers that his kind of only wish was that you showed how close the brothers really were. What?

Yeah. Take on the dad. Because watching the movie, I thought he was imperfect, but I didn't really think he was a bad guy, right? I think he believed, I think Fritz believed he was doing the right thing for his sons and for his family. And he did give them this gift of like you know for a period of time they were on top of the world in this

sport and they did like revolutionize this sport and I think without Fritz they would have always been successful but I don't know if they ever would have reached those heights and then you know the fall of the brothers that did fall like who knows

you know who knows if they would have fallen you know, the fall of the brothers that did fall, like who knows, you know, who knows if they would have fallen, you know. But yeah, you know, I think you can't fault your parents really ever for for teaching you the ways that they know success and for grooming you to be the best. I think that there's a lot of people that can relate to that scenario. But these guys had it had it specifically tough in Fritz. He demanded perfection. And I think that's at some point that became the only real way that they could feel good about themselves was through his approval in a sense. So there were, there were obviously scenes and times where you're like, Oh, that's not perfect parenting.

But the whole time until really carries situation, I wasn't like, that's bad. Like, come on, you gotta be a little better. You're a dude. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was, he was, yeah. I mean, he was driving them forward and

you know he was a motivator and um yeah yeah and also holt um was he's such a great actor man i think all of us just kind of naturally looked up to him yeah we were seeking his approval the same way that uh that that the the brothers might have been yeah yeah it all felt real natural what was he promoting he was promoting something and he came on the show and and he was in person he's such like a looming figure and i get exactly what you're saying where i i was like intimidated i was like i just want this guy to like me please and he's did you guys take a lot of bumps were you getting like was it the actual action done by you guys because i know that's something that you know take a lot of bumps were you getting like was it the actual action done by you

guys because i know that's something that you know the whole world is always like wrestling's fake and it's not real and blah blah blah and then anybody that's even been in a ring can tell you uh you know yeah some things are fake like 99 of it is very real and very painful it's real man yeah that shit hurts um but i think like we got really lucky we had these really amazing guys in the ring with us these real professional wrestlers so like we didn't get hurt with them i think what hurt me the most was just like the ring itself yeah because like the ropes aren't ropes it's like you know metal cable with a little bit of rubber and the mat isn't really a mat it's like plywood with springs and

a really thin layer so like when you're taking those bumps and you're coming off the ropes um yeah that's uh that's painful yeah there's all all of it is is uh i mean it's a lot of technique and then you know a certain amount of just um you got to try it and kind of get your body used to it but man i remember the first time hitting the ropes you know just kind of trying to go back and forth on them and the first day i was uh i was like i don't know if i could do this yeah if i could do this i went like and do too low and didn't hit it with hit the rope with like my back sort of the the muscle i hit it like right in my rib and i was trying to walk it off for like 20 minutes man i was i didn't want to tell anyone i didn't want to be a bitch but yeah you for sure yeah yeah yeah but that's one of the cool

things about working with chavo man like um he the more that we were interested in the wrestling and the more that we were committed to trying the new moves and to really doing it ourselves the more that he opens up and cut we it's like we're uh i don't know he feeds that um that like athlete in in all of us and uh by the end of it we we did all of it man we did yeah yeah yeah i mean we did yeah yeah jeremy what do you think is the uh the harder career a uh wwf wrestler or uh running a restaurant in chicago what's more demanding i think i think both industries uh both industries are pretty demanding um i think for me the kitchen stuff will be more useful i i'm not looking for any trouble i don't know how much i'm going to use this wrestling stuff in real life um but all that kitchen training man that's uh it's really

amazing i'm so grateful for that show for like putting me through uh what they put me through because because that's stuff i use every day you know what i mean do you really like you're you're you're you know that's part of your regular life now yeah i mean i think i try to cook a meal every day you know around this time it's a little bit harder bouncing around so much but um but yeah i mean as compared to my ability in the kitchen before the show yeah yeah there's a big difference man I can't wait to sit down for a meal with you

yeah man yeah I'll cook something for you you haven't cooked for Zach yet? I haven't cooked for Zach yet when you do Zach you have to explicitly refer to him as chef the entire time. Nothing but chef. I'm just going to pop in while you're training.

Yeah, you should. I'm going to go in January. I'm getting together with some chefs to prep for season three. I worked with this one guy, Chef Dave, at this restaurant, Pastor Lee in L.A., that Zach knew really well. Yeah, he won several james beard awards yeah yeah fantastic spot kind of star michelin star um great guy uh chicago guy yeah and

uh so like he's i know you're you're in the freaking best hands man i'm just gonna pop in and shout at you guys yeah you should man yeah it man. Yeah. It's, I'll tell you what, the moment you come out and have to like present a dish and you're explaining like all the various ingredients and the cooking methods. Yeah. And you've got to say it to the table. I did that one time. Yeah. With Dave.

With Dave. At his restaurant. And I was shitting myself. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I got so nervous. The pressure and anxiety is real in most places

it really is you just got to get through it i mean that was i had as much nerves doing that as i did stepping into the right that's why i said yeah well jack you actually could jeremy cook for you because i just read uh a variety article on you where you met the writer at a restaurant and i believe you brought your own duck bone broth was that a thing oh geez i mean i just i stopped at a store on the way to the interview and got some some bone broth but i didn't realize it was duck bone broth it's kind of i thought it was beef bone broth and yeah either way in your own bone broth. I think it's good for you, man. It's good for you.

I had a question, Jeremy. We have a co-worker who's been arguing this year that Feast of the Seven Fishes is a Christmas movie. Thoughts? For sure. Yeah. A way new Christmas.

Is it a Christmas TV? Is it is it like like uh correct for the holidays is that the question yeah that's debate you know it's like is die hard a christmas movie sometimes movies that happen during christmas but they're not truly christmasy you know like what defines a christmas movie is always the big debate so you're this is the latest one what do you think i think what you can do is like yeah you can watch feast of the seven you can watch fishes uh you know the episode on christmas and then it makes your family hopefully look you know a little a little better a little nicer so you can give that gift to yourself watch the fishes and you know everything's better it's a full hour hour and a half hour of television i

think i've ever seen in my life yeah yeah it's hour hour plus something like that um but yeah man yeah that episode was wild we shot it fast we got so many great actors to be a part of it man um and uh and yeah it's tense it's uh it's uh it's tense i didn't have a family like that growing up but i'm surprised at how many people have come up to me since that, the show came out the second season and told me my family was just like that. I was like, Oh man,

God bless you guys. I was going to say shit. That kind of makes me think when you guys, you guys are obviously nominated for everything all the time. Are you, are you filming a comedy? Do you think when you're on set, particularly that episode makes me think of it?

I don't know. I don't think I think in terms of are we making a drama or a comedy or anything like that, no matter what I'm doing. I think the show has funny moments and the show

obviously has dramatic moments as well i think that episode in particular um has more dramatic moments but also like the stuff with like the fact brothers uh with like maddie and and and and and rich like you know um i thought all that stuff was really funny john mulaney had some really great moments in that episode um yeah i don't know but the humor is all derived from the same place man like you're it's such a it's you know it's the character work that's that's so brilliant yeah and also like i think some of those like you know incredibly sad moments to me are also kind of funny like they're ridiculous like they're so intense that it's almost like you have to you have to laugh at it.

Like, the car coming through, the house in the end. Like, it's hilarious. It's frightening, but it's hilarious, you know? It's shock humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I read a quote from you that kind of went viral not too long ago, Jeremy, when you were talking about your Marvel mishap, I guess guess we'll call it uh is it was that i mean everybody saw the headline um but was that really wasn't exactly nobody said fuck you to me or

anything like that it was more like i think i came in with an attitude that was like what do you guys got and they were like oh we're not gonna like play this game with you you know let's move on and i was like oh man maybe i maybe i didn't come in with enough uh you know enthusiasm or something like that maybe i was feeling myself a little bit was this this year it was like a meeting i had for like a marvel sort of thing and and um i think i was like i don't know if i want to do that stuff like tell me about your movie like why why should i do your movie in my attitude i don't think i didn't i didn't say those words asking the appropriate question yeah and then i think

they were like oh no we're good without you and i was like oh okay like uh you know then why'd you call me yeah yeah yeah you were disappointed by it you were disappointed the guy kind of went that way uh i don't know i mean look i don't think it's like my goal uh to do any sort of like superhero films or anything like that i think it was just a lesson learned about like you know kind of checking yourself before you go into any meeting um and making sure your your attitude is uh is right you know i i read the quote kind of the other way where i i thought you were the one who will you were like right i think you said i think the quote was whether or not how you said it but it was like right on and i thought that was such a cool

response where they were like fuck you and you're like right on right yeah understand yes yes we exactly yeah i was like, fair enough. Yeah. I'm just surprised that you weren't in in the new version of Wonka with, you know, your your grandfather giving you a leg up. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. I think I think Timothy Chalamet is so great. But I've definitely. Yeah. People have been telling me, you know, I look like gene wilder for a long time which i do um but he's not your friend no no but there's just like clickbait there's this moment there jeremy we could have had him zach we could have had him going dude no no no i well i wait a second i already knew he wasn't but i i can tell you

guys are kind of small on the screen. I can tell. I saw that somewhere and I was like, oh my gosh, I couldn't believe it. I thought you were... It's right that you didn't believe it. Yeah, I don't know. It is

pretty funny. I love that guy. If they ever remake Young Frankenstein, maybe they'll call me me you know okay all right let's put that out there jeremy allen white says he's gonna do the remake of young frankenstein that'll be the headline there you go that's zach who i you recently got the star i can't believe you just got your star is crazy by the way i thought that it must have been been some new fucking version of it because I was like, he's just getting it now? What's going on, Hollywood? Get your shit together.

That's true. They got to catch up, but they did, man. That was such a special day. I was there. It was awesome. So nice, man. So nice, dude. Thanks for speaking. Yeah, of course. That was the easiest thing to do. I'll tell you what, it's one of those things you never think is... I don't know. You forget about it or don't really ever think it's going to happen

to you and then yeah uh yeah the day today it does it's pretty special man my whole family was out there um the fans that were out there for this guy i haven't seen this kind of thing like this is like real movie star shit like the street was filled with all of these people it was really really crazy man pretty special you've done like so much now you know it's like you started when you were so young and you're doing you know high school musical and things of that nature and then you know you start to get older and all of a sudden you look at like zach efron's resume and it's like holy shit man and even i think honestly like we we used to come out to uh our podcast used to start with the greatest show

like the soundtrack like we love like there's so many amazing things that you did but i think down to earth was one of like the best uses of like fame i've ever seen where it was like all right i've been doing this shit i'm famous now'm going to travel the world and just like experience everything. And I get to do that because of, you know, all the hard work I put in. So that was amazing, man. I really think that was great. I really appreciate it, man. Yeah. Finding a project like that is, uh, I think it's the only way, you know, yeah, I've, you have to be doing something good, you know, to to go out and travel and investigate. And at the core of it, that showed it just. Yeah, if it feels real, man, I'm very curious about the world, about health and wellness and about how we can, you know, make the world a better place.

So I don't know what there's not much else that would be um worthwhile to spend your off time doing it you know yeah man so i was i was proud of that one i appreciate it man thank you well hang on i'm gonna take you down a notch here uh you said i'm small so you can't really see me i have behind me that awkward moment the palette the poster filmed by yeah dude why didn't you go to the funeral like on what planet would you not go to that funeral yeah uh man i don't know that was just the writing i i understand it wasn't your choice but that character man it's you you made a bond with the dad you gotta be at the funeral the party you rocked out with your cock down with the dad, and then you just don't even.

It's crazy. Yeah, I'll have to go talk to Tom Gormick and the director about that. Jeremy, you mentioned the star aspect of Zach and the streets being filled and all that. Would you say you're kind of the paparazzi king right now, though? Not between you and Zach. I mean of the world you mean the what paparazzi king of the world you're i feel like paparazzi's on you all the time i don't think i'm the paparazzi king of the world no no i feel like every time i turn around it's another picture it's crazy dude there's a there's there's been i i never experienced any of that stuff until very recently.

Maybe it's just because it's new that they're following me around a little bit more. You're doing it really well, man. You can tell it's not something you're out there seeking. You can tell they're hiding in trash cans and shit. Yeah. They know where I'm at. They know where I live.

It's pretty wild. You should... The one thing I could ever... Get a new one because they might be on to you the phone you think yeah i'm trying to check my car for like a uh definitely do that all this yeah i was this is like probably like 10 or 15 years ago uh i pulled up at chateau marmont yeah my car on the valet and the valet guy goes dude what are these yours and he pulls out like you know little kids cell phones that look like

oh no like at four buttons so they found a bunch of those in my car and the battery lasts for like two weeks so guys we just throw them in dude how do you actually teach me how to how to handle this shit how do you look like that like like like this like feeling like

someone's spying on you at all times that's crazy it's interesting man you'd you know luckily it's not that interesting outside of my work and keeping it you you know, keeping things low profile, focusing on the work. Yeah. It's all the things that you're already doing, man. Yeah. It doesn't make for that much,

you know, that interesting stuff. How long can they talk about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what are they going to talk about? You're hanging out being yourself.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're doing it good, man. Just, yeah. Check for those, check for those little Tamagotchi phones. Check for those little, if they're popping up and you've like driven three hours, there's no waiting to follow you. Yeah, that's those. Check for those little Tamagotchi phones. Check for those little... If they're popping up and you've driven three hours,

there's no waiting to follow you. Yeah, that's what's up. Yeah, do a sweep. It's crazy, man. Well, I'd say both of you guys are doing it right. You're both absolutely killing it. I think this movie is going to take everything to a whole other level, too. So congrats to both you guys, and thank you for the time.

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